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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Let's get those feeders in, Connor. 2 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:53,280 Wrapped up in the bow rope, or whatever. 3 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,960 This is my escape. This is...this is... 4 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,360 I don't drink, I don't drug, 5 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,880 I have nothing to escape the realities of the island. 6 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,480 But...coming out of these pierheads 7 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,800 is the only sort of respite I really get. 8 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,400 It puts it into context. You think you've got it tough? You've got it bad? 9 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,800 What about the victims and survivors, what they've been through? 10 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,360 A lot of them didn't survive. 11 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,720 And some say it's the lucky ones that died. 12 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,360 If I had the choice of knowing what I know now or not knowing it, 13 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,280 if I could turn the clock back, I wish I could, I... 14 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,240 I wouldn't want to know what I know. 15 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,920 Many try and describe us as a sleazy offshore tax haven, 16 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,720 and nothing, but nothing, could be further from the truth. 17 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,280 The people putting their money in somewhere safe do not care about the natives, 18 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,080 they care about their money. 19 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,600 And that's billions and billions of dark money in there. 20 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,240 Nothing in Jersey is as it seems. 21 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,720 It all looks very chocolate box 22 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,240 and nice and cute on the surface. 23 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,680 There was a desire to deny it 24 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,120 so as not to actually face the reality. 25 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,360 You've got that darkest desire to believe in evil. 26 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,600 These people were scared. 27 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,200 They wanted to tell their stories. 28 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,920 Who controls our island? Who runs our island? 29 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:41,840 It's not the elected politicians, 30 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,680 it's the Crown officers. 31 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,000 Many people said, "Don't take an island job, they always end in tears. 32 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,600 "Don't take an island job unless 33 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,400 "you can afford to walk away from it." 34 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Well, I could, but I didn't. 35 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,920 I got advice from an old, experienced island officer 36 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,080 at one point, when I first started there, and he said, 37 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,800 "Look, you've got to understand, 38 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,080 "in these islands, what the politicians expect you to do 39 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,040 "is to lock up the drunks on a Saturday night, 40 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,040 "catch a few burglars 41 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,720 "and otherwise, mind your own business. 42 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,120 "Don't go looking for trouble." 43 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,320 There was a vacancy for the Deputy Chief Officer. 44 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,640 Lenny Harper quickly made it through to the shortlist. 45 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,240 He also had some senior detective experience. 46 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,040 One of his references from the Met described him as, 47 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,800 "One of the best detectives of his generation". 48 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,920 My first six weeks in Jersey were spent very much, um... 49 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,360 ..getting to know people. 50 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,560 Intelligence we've received in the last few days... 51 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,040 The head of the law department at the police was convinced 52 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,880 that there was a paedophile ring operating on the island. 53 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,560 And the reasons that he gave for this was 54 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 his difficulty in ever getting any prosecutions. 55 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,280 And he kept hammering away at this to me. 56 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,080 I then started examining old cases. 57 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,520 There had already been a couple of trials in Jersey 58 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,760 in respect of sexual assaults of children, 59 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,040 and one name kept popping up again and again. 60 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,000 That was Haut de la Garenne children's home. 61 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,440 There was one particular casefile I looked at 62 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,640 where there appeared to be gaps. 63 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,280 I was given some excuses as to why it hadn't been dealt with. 64 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,360 And when we looked into it, those excuses just fell apart. 65 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,520 And that was the real beginning, then, of Operation Rectangle, 66 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,480 although it didn't become Operation Rectangle for a little while after that. 67 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,680 The few victims that I met totally impressed me 68 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,680 with their sincerity and their fear. 69 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,640 I was born in Jersey to Irish parents. 70 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,160 My parents were from Cork, Churchtown. 71 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,440 When I was five, I went to Haut de la Garenne children's home. 72 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,680 We had a lot of children living in the home. 73 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Not only from Jersey, we had them from Guernsey, as well. 74 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,400 You had a lot of French immigrants that came to work on the farms. 75 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,360 They were poor people, as well. 76 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,480 They found that the accommodation for their children, 77 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,000 it wasn't there for them. 78 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,560 So they ended up in the home, you see. 79 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,560 Myself and some other lads had broken into a shop. 80 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,440 And we'd stolen some cigarettes and, er...chocolates 81 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,520 and various other things. 82 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,880 So I was sent to, um...Haut de la Garenne 83 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,120 by the Royal Court of Jersey. 84 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,960 I was there between 1963 and '64. 85 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,720 It was run by a man called Colin Tilbrook. 86 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,240 He ran the home like an army camp. 87 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,600 Tilbrook, he was a very strict, very, very aggressive man. 88 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,680 And when he spoke to you, he didn't speak to you, he shouted at you. 89 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,240 As young boys, we made up this little song. 90 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,600 There's a man who walks through the ward late at night 91 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Mr Tilbrook, Mr Tilbrook 92 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,880 With his little black bag held so tight 93 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,000 Mr Tilbrook, Mr Tilbrook. 94 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,440 I was terrified 95 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,080 if he was to call me into his little office. 96 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Because I knew what he wanted from me, you see. 97 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,360 It wasn't just myself, he used to call on other children, as well. 98 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,000 We used to say we were going to tell somebody 99 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,280 and he used to say, "Well, go ahead, 100 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,920 "because no-one's going to believe you." 101 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,160 Operational police officers were saying, 102 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,800 "There is a historic problem of child abuse 103 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,840 "at Haut de la Garenne." 104 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:57,880 We were getting snippets of it as part of other inquiries. 105 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,560 Graham Power then decided that we would instigate 106 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,480 Operation Rectangle, but keep it under wraps. 107 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Along the way, I found myself having to deal... 108 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,320 ..a little bit with Stuart Syvret, 109 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,560 who then, at that time, was Health Minister in Jersey. 110 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,680 And Stuart was saying, 111 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,440 "Look, I'm picking up stories about historic abuse. 112 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,600 "I know that you've been told about it. 113 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,720 "And if you don't get out there and do something about it, 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,160 "I'm going to whistle-blow." 115 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Jersey's a very small community and a lot of people know each other. 116 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,200 In late 2006, word started to reach me 117 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,000 about abuses that were still going on 118 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,840 and that had been covered up in the past. 119 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,720 As the Health and Social Services Minister, 120 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,480 this was deeply concerning to me. 121 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,040 So I began making my own inquiries. 122 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,160 This was a catastrophic failure of the island's system of government 123 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,640 and of its ability to protect its population. 124 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,560 This went back decades and decades. 125 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,640 I would sometimes speak to people over the phone. 126 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,800 Sometimes they wouldn't want to contact me directly, 127 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,760 they'd be too scared. 128 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,400 Sometimes I had to meet people in very obscure locations 129 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,760 at strange times. 130 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,280 I had to meet one man who was a victim 131 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,560 on a bleak December Monday morning. 132 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,920 He told me of the abuse he suffered. 133 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,120 This man ended up crying on my shoulder. 134 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,800 You know, in a doorway in a back alley in St Helier. 135 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,640 A lot of the meetings I was having with survivors 136 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,600 were deeply harrowing. 137 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,000 I'm a lifelong Jersey resident 138 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,240 and I served in Jersey's government for 18 years. 139 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Everyone recognises that child abuse takes place, 140 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,880 sadly, everywhere. 141 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,640 But it had never been an issue in Jersey. 142 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,880 And I think most of us believed that if it was taking place, 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,720 it was taking place in a very, um...limited way. 144 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,560 At the time of Operation Rectangle, 145 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:15,840 my role was one of oversight of the police service. 146 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,640 I was in a meeting with both the Chief of Police, Graham Power, 147 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,720 and the Deputy Chief, Lenny Harper. 148 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,360 And when I was briefed about, um... 149 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:31,160 ..how far they had got, if you like, in terms of the covert operation, 150 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,800 and now they felt that other ministers had to be told, 151 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,080 particularly, obviously, the Chief Minister, 152 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,360 and that very soon, we would have to, um... 153 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,040 ..make the whole operation public, 154 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,520 I did say, "Well, they won't like this one little bit 155 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,120 "and we could all lose our jobs over this." 156 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,160 Senator Syvret had been very concerned 157 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,600 and he made a statement in the States of Jersey 158 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,960 that he did not have any confidence in his own department 159 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,160 in terms of the way in which they dealt with child protection. 160 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,280 All of a sudden, he was making these really strong allegations 161 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,280 against his own officers publicly. 162 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,360 That's unacceptable under any ministerial code. 163 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,280 I had a great kind of sympathy for the issues that he was raising, 164 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,120 but very often, he was very confrontational in terms of staff. 165 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,360 And he did lay himself open, really, 166 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,760 to the possibility of his removal, which is very unfortunate. 167 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,800 Senior operational people were convened 168 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,200 to sign a motion of no confidence 169 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,760 in Senator Stuart Syvret as Health Minister. 170 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,640 And that would be taken forward by the Chief Minister 171 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,560 and used as a vehicle... 172 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,320 ..to get rid of him. 173 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,200 Rather than the child abuse being the problem, 174 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,040 they flipped the script so I was the problem. 175 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,600 That I had been... 176 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,920 By saying these things, I was bullying staff, 177 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,880 undermining staff morale. 178 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,600 And this became the pretext to having me sacked as 179 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,360 Health and Social Services Minister. 180 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,360 He was thrown out of office. 181 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:32,320 He was subject to all sorts of negative briefing with the media. 182 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,800 And, in some ways, they've been on his back ever since. 183 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,200 I was horrified, and I made it quickly clear - 184 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,440 "I am not getting involved in this. 185 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,920 "Crikey, I'm a police officer. 186 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,120 "I'm supposed to serve the Queen. 187 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,760 "I'm not getting involved in this sordid business you're up to." 188 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,120 People will try and defend themselves and say, 189 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,960 "No, that wasn't how it was at all." Oh, yes, it was! 190 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,240 Oh, yes, it was. 191 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,440 The press conference was called by the Chief Minister to explain 192 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,320 why Senator Syvret had been sacked. 193 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,720 What few had counted on was that Senator Syvret would turn up. 194 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,880 At a public meeting, those working alongside the Chief Minister 195 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,200 tried to stop the man at the centre of the debate 196 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,720 from taking a chair. 197 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,360 They literally tried to wrestle it from him. 198 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,960 I am not entering into a debate. 199 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,040 That is my last word on the subject. 200 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,960 OVERLAPPING CHATTER 201 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Please, are there any questions for the minister...? 202 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:23,120 I-I think... Can I, can I...? 203 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,880 Can I say - I'm sorry, gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, 204 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,200 this is a press conference I called. 205 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,240 Senator Syvret has basically muscled in on it. 206 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,800 But, in another act of what many will see as further pettiness 207 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,440 and small-mindedness, 208 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,760 the communications unit packed up the state's backdrop. 209 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,000 There were giggles from the gathered press corps. 210 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:48,120 Can I begin by saying I'm here at the invitation of the visiting 211 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,880 national media journalists here? 212 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,440 It was a huge disappointment to me. 213 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,120 He and I have always approached politics from very different 214 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,000 ends of the spectrum. 215 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,360 But, for the first 18 months or so of me being Chief Minister 216 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,720 and he being Health Minister, we had a very positive relationship. 217 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,960 And then, it just went completely wrong. 218 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,040 There's a tremendous amount of money here, vast amounts of wealth, 219 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,240 a lot of power concentrated into very few hands. 220 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,440 That ruling elite want the status quo to remain. 221 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,320 Jersey's a tax haven which has been going for many, many years. 222 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,840 It's used by people from around the world to hide their assets. 223 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,600 We can only guess at the value of the assets held there. 224 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,160 They're somewhere close to about half a trillion US dollars. 225 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,840 Of course, the wealth itself is not in Jersey. 226 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,640 You know, there's very little investment in Jersey itself. 227 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,040 This is just wealth which is booked there, 228 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,520 but which is invested elsewhere - very often in real estate 229 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,200 in Britain, or real estate somewhere in Europe or North America. 230 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Any small community, if it's going to survive, you know, 231 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:06,520 it has to find its niche in the global economy. 232 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,760 We are very reliant on the finance industry 233 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,200 and all that goes with that. 234 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,120 And that ties in with this cultural phenomenon, 235 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,680 which they call the "Jersey way". 236 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,640 Just don't ask inconvenient questions. 237 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,880 These places do not like to have publicity, 238 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,720 unless it's favourable publicity. 239 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,280 We knew that Stuart had been canvassing on behalf 240 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,920 of abuse victims, so we thought we had better, 241 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,120 A, take him into our confidence, 242 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,680 and B, go public ourselves. 243 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,800 We were completely open with the media, 244 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,080 and we said we would not tolerate... 245 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,720 ..any interference from Jersey politicians or anybody else. 246 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,040 And if any Jersey politicians tried to interfere, 247 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,520 we would feel their collars. 248 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,920 It was as though a huge weight had been lifted from 249 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,720 my shoulders, certainly. 250 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Because suddenly, we thought, "Well, this is it. 251 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,280 "We'll finally get this cleaned up. 252 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,800 "We're going to get justice." 253 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,600 And we sat there thinking, 254 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,600 "Well, I wonder if the phone will ring." 255 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Within a week or two, we had hundreds of victims coming forward. 256 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,280 Tilbrook wanted me to, you know... 257 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,400 ..do things to him, you know? 258 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,080 He would tell me what to do. 259 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,680 I remember him taking his belt off and flicking it - 260 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,120 like, it made a snapping noise - 261 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,760 and warning me if I didn't do what I was told, 262 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,440 he would use that on me. 263 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,720 He'd always have a pillow under his arm. 264 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:54,120 If you screamed out, he would put the pillow over your face 265 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,680 and tell you to be quiet. 266 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,280 You were subject to constant abuse, 267 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,480 whether it was by the rape of older kids and encouraged by the staff, 268 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,320 but it was constant, it was every night. 269 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,880 You were scared to go to bed cos you don't know if you'll be 270 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,560 the one that'll get hit, or somebody else is going to be the one 271 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,080 that's going to get hit. 272 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,320 There was an occasion in the sickbay where I was made 273 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,840 to fondle another boy. 274 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,520 You know... 275 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,960 If you didn't, you know, you were threatened you wouldn't 276 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,400 come out there alive. 277 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,480 I was told that anything that happened in the home, 278 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,680 you don't tell anybody at all, 279 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,040 because nobody will ever believe you. 280 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,320 And if you do let it slip out and tell anybody, 281 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,800 the punishment is you'll have your tongue cut out. 282 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,040 Some of the girls got pregnant, 283 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,000 they would get the baby taken away from them. 284 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,120 And my question is, and always has been... 285 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,680 ..where were the authorities, and what were they doing? 286 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,800 It's horrific. 287 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,880 And, you know, we all greeted it with a case of shock and horror, 288 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,080 even though it probably took place 30 or 40 years ago, 289 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,440 not on our watch. 290 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,560 But nevertheless, we are now responsible for making sure that 291 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,080 all people involved in this are ferreted out and prosecuted. 292 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,120 The police investigation had gone public in late November. 293 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:26,360 Back then, I was still the senior senator in the Jersey parliament. 294 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:28,360 So, I was the Father of the House. 295 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,960 And it falls to the senior senator to lead, like, the kind of 296 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,160 end-of-term speeches, as it were, like a Christmas speech. 297 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,600 As we approach Christmas, I am giving thought 298 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,600 to the less fortunate, to the victims, 299 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,640 those who have been ignored, those who have been failed. 300 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,200 And I believe as we approach... 301 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,080 Senator. Senator, I'm sorry. 302 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,440 Every member is with you in that respect, 303 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,760 but it is not the occasion 304 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,000 for this kind of speech. 305 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,160 We have a dysfunctional, non-functioning democracy. 306 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,000 Erm, very low voter turnout. 307 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,600 Why bother voting? Nothing much ever changes. 308 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,760 Because the real power sits with Crown appointees. 309 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,440 You've got the Bailiff. 310 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,680 He's the Speaker in Parliament. 311 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Now, that sounds quite benign. 312 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,560 But the Speaker controls the debates, says who can speak, 313 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,280 who can't speak and what questions can be asked, or not asked. 314 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,600 As I mentioned, I direct you to sit down, Senator, or I'm... 315 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,360 It became clear to me that we were facing far worse... 316 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,160 We will have to forego the remaining speeches. 317 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,480 As I contemplated several years of bitter struggle... 318 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,520 DOOR SHUTS 319 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,760 I kind of stood there at my desk, kind of staring up 320 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,240 at the roof lights, thinking... 321 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,520 .."This didn't happen." 322 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,440 I went home, you know, afterwards. 323 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,160 I happened to bump into one of the survivors down the road 324 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,520 who had heard this happening on the radio, cos it was broadcast live. 325 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,760 And he basically hugged me, 326 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,800 and he started crying in the streets, you know? 327 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,600 When I got back to my flat that evening, I knew I'd have to 328 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,200 phone up lots of the very vulnerable survivors and explain to them, 329 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,880 you know, what had happened, and how, you know, 330 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,120 try and apologise to them for how disgusting my colleagues were. 331 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,840 You know, I got out of my suit, I put some jeans on, 332 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,200 just got a bottle of wine. 333 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,920 I just laid down on my futon and just drank wine, 334 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,440 and stared at the ceiling. 335 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,320 And on that occasion, that was when I first found myself 336 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,960 seriously thinking of ways to kill myself on that day. 337 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,360 There were also statements from people at the home 338 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,800 who said that children had been dragged screaming from their beds 339 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,760 and had never been seen again. 340 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,960 There was a statement which said that staff had chased one child 341 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,840 along a corridor, who had then leapt out the window... 342 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,720 ..and that child was never seen again. 343 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,640 And then, we had a solicitor approach us who said that he had 344 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,440 a client who saw a dead body. 345 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,120 I met somebody who was very, very distressed, 346 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,520 who I knew quite well, 347 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,680 and they were actually lying on this floor. 348 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,000 I said, "What happened?" 349 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,440 And I got a bit of a story. 350 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,280 I was told about dead children. 351 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,520 I was told about, well, there were even... 352 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,800 You know, the rapes, the beatings, erm, and related 353 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,880 this person had been through. 354 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,080 So, I made a disclosure to law enforcement. 355 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,960 Which is what you would expect somebody to do in my position. 356 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,280 We identify, because of stories being told, a need to go to 357 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Haute de la Garenne and search under the floorboards, 358 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,680 because we had people who were saying that they saw 359 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,360 something suspicious, they believed it was a child's body. 360 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,000 Ridiculous though it may seem now, 361 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,120 we said, "We should be able to do it discreetly and it shouldn't 362 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,840 "cause a lot of fuss." 363 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,280 Erm... 364 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,320 Oh, dear. 365 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,160 From the air, it's much easier to gauge the layout 366 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,720 of the former children's home. 367 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,120 So, let's take a look at it. 368 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,400 Now, the white tent that you can see there at the rear of the building 369 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,040 nearest us - that marks the position of the first site 370 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,840 that's been under investigation. 371 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,400 We went to Haut de la Garenne, 372 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,600 and we put Eddie, the cadaver dog, 373 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,320 out into the grounds. 374 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,440 And he went into the building then. 375 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,040 EDDIE BARKS 376 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,200 He reacted very strongly in an area of Haut de la Garenne. 377 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,360 BARKING CONTINUES 378 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600 And we decided that the anthropologists should dig 379 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,640 at that spot. 380 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,840 The next morning, I was at home when I got a phone call to say 381 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,480 that a human bone had been found. 382 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,880 What the forensic archaeologist described as 383 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,440 a piece of juvenile skull. 384 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,560 It was one awful Sunday evening when I took a phone call to tell me that 385 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,520 there was a major issue erupting around the Haut de la Garenne, 386 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,560 and that the whole thing was going to blow up into something huge. 387 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,280 I will never be able to explain adequately how I felt 388 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,720 when I took that phone call. 389 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,720 And, of course, then events from that point 390 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,760 spiralled for quite some time... 391 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,000 ..unbelievably, unbelievably badly. 392 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480 Within no time at all, 393 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,400 we were surrounded by media teams with long-distance microphones. 394 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,360 So, what we'd planned as a quick, discreet operation 395 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,120 turned into a carnival. 396 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,200 The partial remains of a child were found at Haut de la Garenne 397 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,640 at the weekend. 398 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,840 Police search for more bodies at a former children's home in Jersey. 399 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,760 During the 1970s and '80s, 400 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,520 the Haut de la Garenne was state-run 401 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,960 until it closed in 1986. 402 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,440 Garenne means "rabbit warren" - which gives some indication of 403 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,440 the kind of challenge police face in searching this building. 404 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,440 With every day that has passed since the search here began, 405 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,840 the number of calls to the police incident room has increased. 406 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,520 Fresh allegations of cruelty or abuse from those who spent 407 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,000 their childhoods here. 408 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320 More locations to be searched. 409 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,880 A flow of information that will keep forensic experts 410 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,240 at Haut de la Garenne into the weekend and beyond. 411 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,880 Morning. Morning. 412 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,720 Vicky, forensic? Yep, sure. 413 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,240 Erm, Elaine finished her typing yesterday... 414 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,800 We had senior members of the social services wanting to get in 415 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,440 the Haut de la Garenne. 416 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,000 And we were saying, "Go away. This is a crime scene now." 417 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,720 Jersey's former Health Minister says he has evidence of a cover-up 418 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,640 of child abuse on the island dating back decades. 419 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,640 He's published a report which he claims proves that the authorities 420 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,520 failed to act decisively - 421 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,080 an accusation denied by Jersey's Chief Minister. 422 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,200 These cases were not prosecuted when they should have been. 423 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,400 They failed to act, and I believe their motivation for failing to act 424 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,120 was the cover-up. 425 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:53,200 This is just one further, another particularly appalling example 426 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,920 of the systemic child protection failure that we have seen in Jersey, 427 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,080 sadly, over the years. 428 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,720 Excuse me, excuse me... 429 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,400 Sir, can you come forward to the microphones, please? 430 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,840 When this debate between the island's Chief Minister and his 431 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,120 former Health Minister stopped, the real conversation started. 432 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,200 He'd had a longstanding agenda... 433 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,400 ..of basically trying to bring the government down. 434 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,160 This, he felt, gave him a real opportunity to... 435 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,200 ..attack the government - I don't think it was aimed at me or any 436 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,440 individual politician personally. 437 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,520 It was the whole system of Jersey's democracy, Jersey's government 438 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,960 that he wanted to attack. 439 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,160 This is why the Jersey establishment always hated me. 440 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,680 I mean, I'm a pleb. 441 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,720 You know, I'm a prole, you know... 442 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,640 Just came from Jersey's underclass, basically, you know? 443 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,120 And, er, they... 444 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,760 Yeah, they just couldn't hate... 445 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,920 They just could never get their head around the idea, you know, 446 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,680 that somebody without money would actually, you know, 447 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,680 get into public life and actually defy them. 448 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,240 My family has farmed on Jersey for generations. 449 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,880 Proud Jersey people, we'll have been here since the 1200s, 450 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,400 maybe even earlier. 451 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,440 There is a suggestion that William the Conqueror left some of us here. 452 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,040 My family goes back to the 1300s on the island. 453 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,800 I honestly knew of nothing of the rumours regarding 454 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,480 the ill treatment of children. 455 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440 It didn't get to me. 456 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,680 And Haut de la Garenne isn't St Martin's. 457 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760 It's just two miles from here. 458 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,440 PIPE ORGAN PLAYS 459 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,120 There was a church service, and all the great and the good were there, 460 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,000 the Bailiff and the Chief Minister. 461 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,600 There was an absolute shock and horror, and disgust - 462 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,400 all the emotions - that this could have happened. 463 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,600 We have come together in the presence and love of God, 464 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,440 at a time when our island is experiencing the darkness 465 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,320 of evil and fear. 466 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,480 There's a presumption that anybody from Jersey is rich 467 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,920 and they're millionaires. 468 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Well, that's not true, you know? 469 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,400 It's far from the truth. 470 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,240 There's a select few... 471 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,160 ..who are millionaires. 472 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,320 But there's a big divide now, 473 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040 as I think there is across any western world, 474 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,080 of the haves and have-nots. 475 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,760 Or the haves and have-yachts, as they call it over here, you know? 476 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,040 But, erm, you know, down here, 477 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,680 this is like - or was - a kind of working-class estate. 478 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,640 There's a lot of poverty in Jersey. It's in the hundreds, 479 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,160 the amount of people who rely on food banks over here. 480 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Jersey's got this lovely, glossy veneer, 481 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080 where everything's wonderful. 482 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,600 But there's some people severely struggling financially over here. 483 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920 The government here's predominantly Conservative. 484 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560 It's run by the rich for the rich. 485 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,240 So, some noises can be made in our parliament by the socialists, 486 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120 but that's really all they can do. 487 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,320 They've got no power. 488 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,600 They can be heard, but they haven't got a voice. 489 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,120 We thought, "Great, brilliant. 490 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,840 "We've got a politician who's saying what we're saying, 491 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,880 "who's thinking what we're thinking." 492 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,080 And we had so much faith and confidence in Stuart. 493 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520 But we knew he was up... he would be up against it. 494 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,920 And, you know, I know a lot of survivors came forward 495 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,200 because of Stuart. 496 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360 It was Stuart who asked me to get involved with the 497 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Jersey Care Leavers' Association. 498 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,760 He said, "You need to be a voice out there." 499 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,080 Care leavers are adults who lived in children's homes... 500 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,160 ..most, if not all of their lives. 501 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,320 So, therefore they lived in care. 502 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,680 The abuse had been rattling around for years. 503 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,440 People had tried to report it. 504 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,880 And, you know, as individuals, they were being shut down. 505 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,160 But as a collective group, this was the perfect opportunity to escalate. 506 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,600 There were two camps, in terms of how we should deal 507 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,680 with Operation Rectangle. 508 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,880 Stuart Syvret was very keen that everything should be made public. 509 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,480 Then you have the Chief Minister... 510 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,320 ..and many of the members of the Council of Ministers who felt 511 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,920 that it was important to keep the lid on this, really, 512 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,000 the reputation of Jersey should be preserved at all costs, 513 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:25,080 and that any, er, negative publicity would likely to have an impact on 514 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040 our economy - and that should be avoided at all costs. 515 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,440 I was having my ear bent by senior politicians. 516 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,520 Conversations I was having was not about how can we deal 517 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,840 with this and bring these horrible people to justice, and find out 518 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,280 who covered it up and why it wasn't dealt with. 519 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,360 That wasn't the tone of conversation. 520 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,800 The tone of conversation was, 521 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,240 "Look at all these horrible things newspapers are saying about us. 522 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,280 "How can we put a stop to all of this?" 523 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,520 Police searching a former children's home in Jersey at the centre of 524 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280 abuse allegations have discovered a trap door in a cellar 525 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,000 and released video footage from inside the building. 526 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,400 More than 160 people have now come forward to say they were 527 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,640 victims of abuse. 528 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,160 We have made a couple of finds of some significance, 529 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,960 which tend to provide corroboration for some of the allegations that 530 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,960 we have received about offences that were committed in the cellar. 531 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,960 And I'm sure you'll understand if I don't want to be specific, 532 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000 in respect of the items that we have found. 533 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400 This is what's being referred to as "Cellar One". 534 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240 And right below me is the stone trough in which were found 535 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,440 minute traces of what police think is human blood. 536 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,160 At the back of that room, 537 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,000 there is writing scrawled on one of the wooden uprights. 538 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,360 "I've been bad for years and years." 539 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,080 There was a member of staff. 540 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,000 He would come into the dormitory, 541 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,520 er...pull me out of bed, "O'Connell, come with me." 542 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,800 And drag me along by my hair and frogmarch me off. 543 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,320 Take me down into a cellar, 544 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,560 strip me and dunk me in the bath, 545 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,480 and sexually abuse me. 546 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,920 When he was satisfied himself, 547 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080 he would wander off and leave you there, in the dark, 548 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,760 traumatised and terrified. 549 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,080 We're now getting a pretty clear picture of an area described by 550 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,760 those who were abused as a "deep, dark place". 551 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,600 It's a room beneath the floor with unrendered walls. 552 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200 And in it, we've learned this afternoon, is a shallow bath - 553 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,640 a bit like a sports bath. 554 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,280 Now, the forensic team, they'll be back in there tomorrow. 555 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,080 A second area is also being examined. 556 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,960 We had the most lurid headlines, 557 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,040 television, radio reports, and whatever, erm, 558 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,800 which was just so difficult for all of us in Jersey 559 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,840 to comprehend and to live with. 560 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,360 And my opinion of the national media, which possibly 561 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,760 wasn't high before this, just plummeted. 562 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120 They were not interested in the truth at all. 563 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,640 There were moments when I would be in meetings, 564 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,000 and documents, newspapers would be thrust at me, 565 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840 slapped on the table in front of me, 566 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,200 and demands were made by some of my colleagues to explain myself, 567 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,920 or to explain why I was allowing Lenny Harper to do this 568 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,760 or do that, or do the other. 569 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,840 No matter what we said, 570 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,480 you could read newspaper headlines which bore no resemblance 571 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,720 to what we said. 572 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:13,480 I was, erm, tackled on camera at one point by a crew who said, 573 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,920 "We've heard that you're going to dig up six locations." 574 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200 And I remember saying, and it's probably recorded somewhere, 575 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,400 "We could find something, or we could find nothing. 576 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,160 "But what you can be sure of, as investigators, 577 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,480 "we've got a duty to look." 578 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,720 I saw the headline the next day, and it said, 579 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,400 "Police search for six bodies." 580 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,640 So, I just gave in. 581 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,760 MARCHING BAND PLAYS 582 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,680 This year, we have learnt that, even in peacetime, 583 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,000 once a media bandwagon starts rolling, 584 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:03,960 it is difficult to distinguish what is true from what is fictitious. 585 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:10,280 All child abuse, wherever it happens, is scandalous. 586 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,920 But it is the unjustified and remorseless denigration 587 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,320 of Jersey and her people that is the real scandal. 588 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,120 Today, a support group for those who grew up in care 589 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,720 issued a statement outside Haut de la Garenne, 590 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,120 saying they were shocked and disgusted at his comments. 591 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,400 The Bailiff should retract his statement and acknowledge that 592 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,400 the most important scandal is that the abuse took place 593 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,720 and remained unchallenged for years. 594 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,840 The island was the subject of such continuous, 595 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,720 relentless negative publicity. 596 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,880 It seemed to me that the time had come to say something 597 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,200 on Jersey's behalf. 598 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,520 CROWD SINGS 599 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,320 Philip Bailhache hijacked this occasion. 600 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,160 It was sickening, what he did. 601 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,960 Well, I was asking questions of the mainstream media, 602 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,840 I was asking questions of our government, our ministers, 603 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,480 our executive, 604 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,800 and being fobbed off and palmed off, lied to. 605 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,360 So, it was out of desperation. 606 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,920 I had nowhere left to go. 607 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,200 So, I went and bought myself a computer... 608 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,400 ..and self-taught and started blogging. 609 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120 So, that's how it really first started off. 610 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,120 It was just very amateur. 611 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,440 I'm not saying it's professional now, but it was very amateur. 612 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,880 I was jacking up a lot of stuff, emails mainly, to and from - 613 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,920 well, mainly to ministers and the media, not so much from, 614 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,200 because they basically weren't replying to me. 615 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640 It's called Voiceforchildren. 616 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,000 Because I wanted to be a voice for children. 617 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,920 The abuse victims were not believed. 618 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,240 Something is wrong when there are senior leaders in the island 619 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,160 who want to gloss over the events and continue to promote 620 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,480 the positive image of the island. 621 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,560 We need to stop and be prepared to listen. 622 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,480 We have to change our government. 623 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,240 That's the only way we're going to get through this. 624 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,920 CHEERING 625 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,040 A nod and a wink has traditionally been the Jersey way. 626 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,240 I think that's partly why we're all here - 627 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,480 because we're fed up of certain aspects of the Jersey way. 628 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,800 APPLAUSE 629 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Coming in from the outside, it seemed to me that there were 630 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,440 a lot of people on the island that didn't trust the people in charge. 631 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,160 It seemed like there were a small group of people who were in control, 632 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,960 and anybody who rocked the boat, anybody who caused problems, 633 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,680 wasn't welcome, 634 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,200 that if you weren't amongst the cabal sort of running the island, 635 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,080 you were, erm, voiceless. 636 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,160 This wasn't a story that newspapers had to sensationalise. 637 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,200 This was a... 638 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,920 ..sensational story in the true sense of the word. 639 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,120 The things that were being uncovered 640 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,920 and the allegations that were being made were appalling and extreme 641 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,920 and needed to be investigated. 642 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,920 ANNOUNCER: Jimmy Savile! 643 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 644 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,320 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Jim'll Fix It. 645 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,760 One of the things that came up time and again when we spoke to people 646 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,520 on the island was that the TV entertainer and DJ Jimmy Savile 647 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,480 had visited Haut de la Garenne. 648 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480 Now, this was obviously in the days before he'd been unmasked 649 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,520 as a paedophile, but one thing that was quite striking was the vehemence 650 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,280 with which Jimmy Savile denied ever having gone to Haut de la Garenne. 651 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,960 And Jimmy Savile really revelling in that Channel Islands sunshine. 652 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,160 I met Jimmy Savile. 653 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,000 He came several times to the home. 654 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,760 I told the police about Jimmy Savile in 2007 655 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,000 and he denied ever going to Haut de la Garenne. 656 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,440 So, I said, "My sister's in a photograph with him." 657 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200 Newspapers have millions of readers and those millions of readers 658 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,720 are eyes and ears in stories like this. 659 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,240 There will be victims that want to speak, 660 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,760 there will be relatives of those victims who want their voices heard, 661 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,240 there will be people that have heard information. 662 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,560 The phones at the Sun never stopped ringing. 663 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680 REPORTER: Lenny Harper gave a stark warning to those in Jersey 664 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,560 who had committed any such abuse. 665 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560 If you've been committing abuse against children of the nature 666 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,760 that we're looking at, the simple message is, 667 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,600 if they leave the island, then we will find them in due course. 668 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,240 We would like to talk to you. 669 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,480 Do you admit that you abused a small girl within your care, Mr Maguire? 670 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120 What do you have to say? Do you have any remorse? 671 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,760 Bye. 672 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,480 What about your wife, Mr Maguire? She was being cruel to children. 673 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280 She was making them drink disinfectant. 674 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,520 REPORTER: In a separate development, Jersey Police say they are now 675 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,960 poised to make three arrests in connection with the alleged abuse 676 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,160 that went on at Haut de la Garenne over a 40-year period, 677 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,160 two arrests likely to take place here on the island of Jersey, 678 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,800 the third on the mainland in the UK. 679 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,640 A third man has been arrested in connection with the inquiry 680 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,080 into allegations of child sexual abuse in Jersey. 681 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,440 The 45-year-old has been questioned all day. 682 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,920 This is the worst kind of public-relations disaster 683 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,280 a place like Jersey could envisage, 684 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,920 and, for that reason, as they say in Jersey, 685 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,000 they don't want to look under that stone. 686 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960 But when something hits the headlines saying this place 687 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,000 is a centre of child abuse, that does enormous damage, 688 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480 because no banks, no big accounting firms, 689 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,480 none of their clients would want to be associated with a place 690 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,280 which has a long history, half a century of history, 691 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,480 of child abuse, which has been largely ignored. 692 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,480 Haut de la Garenne was a byword for brutality. 693 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,720 When I was a child growing up in the 1960s, parents would threaten kids, 694 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,360 "If you don't behave, you will go to Haut de la Garenne." 695 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,160 We all knew what that meant. It meant brutal treatment 696 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,760 and no-one will be there to protect you at all. 697 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,720 In 2007, 698 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,640 I became Assistant Minister for Health and Social Services. 699 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,040 One of my responsibilities was the Children's Service. 700 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,880 And my timing could have been better from a personal point of view. 701 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,400 The ground floor used to be below ground here, 702 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,120 and that's why they think they're now discovering 703 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,840 so many underground rooms. 704 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160 Across here, to the back of the building, 705 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,120 is where the inspection tent is. 706 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240 Now, the rubble has been brought here from the corridor 707 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:59,720 where the tiny, minute piece of skull was found last Saturday. 708 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,920 Anthropologists in here are going through that debris bit by bit. 709 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,800 We didn't have a lot of tools. 710 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,440 The UK press particularly were damning of Jersey 711 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440 and the cover-up and, erm... 712 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,240 ..how we allowed it to happen. 713 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,800 And, erm, Jersey, you know, was on its back foot. 714 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,160 I was busily trying to support our local child services 715 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,920 to ensure that today's service 716 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,840 was not being unduly harmed. 717 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,440 I remember being contacted by David Rose from the Daily Mail. 718 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,040 I do remember that. 719 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,480 I was interested in the angle that he was promoting 720 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,320 and had some sympathy with it. 721 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,480 A friend of mine phoned me one day and said, "You know this business 722 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,960 "in Jersey with these children who've been murdered 723 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,240 "at this children's home? There's a guy in Oxford called Tom Higham 724 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,720 "who you should talk to because he's got some interesting information." 725 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,520 So I called Tom Higham and it turned out he did indeed. 726 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,520 We were sent this sample in March 2008. 727 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,200 It took probably 40 seconds to realise what I had in my hands. 728 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,400 It was late one afternoon and he said, "Come around now," 729 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,960 so I did, and I went round to his lab. 730 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,680 And he said, "Well, Lenny Harper says this is a fragment 731 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,760 "of a child's skull. It's no such thing. 732 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,560 "It's a piece of coconut shell." 733 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,240 And his face just fell. He couldn't believe it. 734 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,120 The more tests they did on this thing, the more certain it was 735 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,680 that it was not a relatively recently killed 736 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,240 child's skull fragment, but a relatively old, 737 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,720 ie well over 100 years, piece of vegetable material. 738 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,760 And he said, "We've been trying to tell the police in Jersey this 739 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,760 "for weeks and they just won't listen. 740 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,240 "They keep coming out with all this stuff in the media 741 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,160 "and we've had enough. It's time the public learned the truth." 742 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,720 TELEPHONE RINGS 743 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,520 I had seen all these letters and emails, so I got him to admit 744 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,440 that there were all these people who'd been expressing reservations. 745 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,240 I got a phone call from Lenny because he'd heard that 746 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,720 there had been a leak of information from the lab. 747 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,280 And, of course, it was me that was the leak. 748 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,680 So, erm, so I pretended that I didn't know and I was shocked 749 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,640 and I basically...yeah. 750 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000 And then I did the story that Sunday. 751 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,960 Fairly early on, before we got anything back, 752 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,240 we ruled it out of the investigation 753 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:13,480 because of the area that it was found in, 754 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,360 the section that it was found in, which probably predated 755 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,800 our boundaries for investigation, but collagen was found on it. 756 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,480 It's only found in mammals. 757 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,520 Collagen is not found in coconut, it's not found in bits of wood, 758 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,680 it's only found in mammals, including humans. 759 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,560 As it was a piece of evidence, 760 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,000 they should have documented every move, sealed it, 761 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,840 signed for it, anybody that touched it or had any dealings with it 762 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,960 should have signed it. This was not done. 763 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520 There was no audit trail whatsoever kept of it. 764 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,760 It wasn't booked in, wasn't booked out, 765 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,800 the packaging was opened, it was... 766 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,000 There was no control over it whatsoever. 767 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,800 What we didn't realise at that stage was it would be later used 768 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,480 as a stick to beat us with. 769 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,520 I think the biggest turning point was the revelation 770 00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,000 in the Mail On Sunday by a journalist called David Rose. 771 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,440 Now, that... 772 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,200 It both came as welcome news because it meant that 773 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520 there wasn't a child death associated with it. 774 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,600 That was very welcome news. But also it was one heck of a shock. 775 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,520 From that moment... 776 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,240 ..the trust in the then leadership of the police, 777 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,960 both Mr Harper and the Chief Officer, Graham Power, 778 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,320 the trust in them came into serious question. 779 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,960 What I saw was a fast-developing investigation 780 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,320 and a police officer who was not afraid to follow every lead. 781 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,560 The world's eyes were on Lenny Harper 782 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,680 and he had very difficult decisions to make in real time. 783 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,320 Erm, now... 784 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,000 ..it's easy to say he got them wrong at times, but when you look at it, 785 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,520 you can see that he was trying to disseminate the information 786 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,000 in a way that people felt they could trust him. 787 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,680 Victims were confident that this time 788 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,440 stones weren't being left unturned. 789 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,000 I had already written quite a few articles, erm, 790 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:08,480 questioning these kind of very heavy moral panic type investigations, 791 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,840 especially in children's homes and schools. 792 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,360 And when the Jersey story started, 793 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,880 I just was immediately very sceptical, thinking, "Really?" 794 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:25,520 Rose had this history of being very, very anti child abuse investigation. 795 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,520 If I'd known that before I did my first interview with him, 796 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600 I wouldn't have let him through the door. 797 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,640 I mean, I should tell you that I am a Jimmy Savile sceptic, too, 798 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,560 and I've done quite a few stories. 799 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,320 I'm not saying that Jimmy Savile never abused anybody 800 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,360 because I can't prove that negative. 801 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,480 What I do know is that some of those who claim that they've been abused 802 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,280 by Jimmy Savile were lying in order to claim compensation. 803 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,960 And, you know, I say that without any hesitation. 804 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,040 They just made it up. 805 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,440 We've taken over 150 tonnes of material 806 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,400 from the floor spaces in there, 807 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,480 which we're now storing, which has all been itemised and labelled. 808 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,120 We've recovered 65 children's teeth. 809 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,960 I would ask you, in the light of the criticism of the experts 810 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,000 that have been made in the last few days, to look at that. 811 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,240 The criticism that I received was that it was a disgrace 812 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:23,480 that Lenny Harper had held up a jar with a Jersey coin in it 813 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,560 rather than an English coin. 814 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,480 This, again, was damaging the reputation of the island. 815 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,120 Then I also got emails from the Chief Minister 816 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,040 saying that he had been dealing with telephone calls from people 817 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,720 to get rid of Lenny Harper, take him off the television screens, 818 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,560 that he should be removed even from being in charge 819 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,280 of Operation Rectangle. 820 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,800 He became the folk demon, if you like, 821 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440 the folk devil, in the minds of many people 822 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,960 who really wanted the whole issue 823 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,800 of the child abuse inquiry to go away. 824 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960 We all felt, all of those close to the inquiry, 825 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,200 felt in some ways vulnerable. 826 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,720 There was something going on in the background 827 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,920 and I didn't know exactly what it was. 828 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,480 I was advised that it would probably be best 829 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,760 if I handed over the oversight of Operation Rectangle 830 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,400 and I was asked to sign over my powers 831 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160 to my assistant minister, Andrew Lewis. 832 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,200 I just felt as if I was being absolutely sidelined. 833 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,480 REPORTER: Desolate and deserted. This was Haut de la Garenne today. 834 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,200 The police search here has ended. 835 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,200 After sifting through 150 tonnes of rubble, 836 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,400 the officer in charge had to accept that they may never know 837 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,920 whether children here were murdered. 838 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,760 The vast bulk of the items, the teeth and the bones, 839 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,720 have yet to be sent for carbon dating and indeed for DNA. 840 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,760 Now, if the rest of the tests are as inconclusive 841 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,840 as those that we've already had, then it would be very difficult 842 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,560 and unlikely that a homicide inquiry would be launched. 843 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,000 Police investigating a former care home in Jersey say it's unlikely 844 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,440 a murder inquiry will take place, even though they found the partial 845 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,480 remains of at least five children. 846 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,720 Experts have had difficulties dating the teeth and bone fragments, 847 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,480 which are believed to have come from children aged between four and 11. 848 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,040 The removal of Lenny Harper had to happen. 849 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,840 I believe his investigation was out of control. 850 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,480 REPORTER: The detective who's led the inquiry retires next week, 851 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,760 his last case still unsolved, 852 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,680 but having changed the way islanders look at their troubled past. 853 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,960 In many ways, their community is no different from anywhere else. 854 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,680 What has happened doesn't make Jersey unique or evil. 855 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,360 And the people of the island have responded, I think, magnificently. 856 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,000 The teeth and pieces of bone found here, 857 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,760 incinerated, broken and buried in the cellar, 858 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,000 aren't just pieces of disputed evidence, 859 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,760 they're pieces of children, pieces of vulnerable lives 860 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,360 whose story will now perhaps never be told. 861 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,840 Lenny left and David Warcup, 862 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680 his successor and my successor, was appointed. 863 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,160 Personally, I give my reassurance that we will work 864 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,000 and use every endeavour and every possible resource that we have 865 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,760 to bring this inquiry to a proper and successful conclusion. 866 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,960 Then we had the appointment of Mick Gradwell, 867 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,320 who was going to be Senior Investigating Officer. 868 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,480 I had had a difficult time with colleagues. 869 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,200 I did feel very bullied on occasions, 870 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,200 receiving emails from the Chief Minister saying, 871 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,200 oh, you know, "There are calls for your resignation." 872 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,720 I felt that I was potentially being put in a position 873 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,840 of being removed in the same way that Senator Syvret was removed, 874 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,920 so I resigned. 875 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,920 It wasn't going to have a happy ending, I could see that. 876 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,480 The wolves were circling you, lad. 877 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,760 And, you know, as long as Wendy Kinnard was there, 878 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,000 it was all right, but when Wendy Kinnard fell, 879 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,840 I thought, "You're on your own now. They're after you." 880 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,160 So, in a sense, things, as they developed, 881 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,440 didn't come as a surprise. 882 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,240 REPORTER: The Chief of Police was today suspended from his job. 883 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,720 This afternoon, it was revealed the Chief Officer, Graham Power, 884 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,320 has been suspended in relation to his role 885 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,760 in the historical abuse investigation. 886 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,480 He strenuously denies any wrongdoing. 887 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,240 REPORTER: Today, Mr Power's bosses explained their decision. 888 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,120 I have invoked the disciplinary code in respect of the Chief of Police 889 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,960 and an investigation will be undertaken. 890 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,760 Before my resignation, my assistant minister, Andrew Lewis, 891 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,160 had very much the same view that I had, 892 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,080 that Graham Power was an exceptionally good 893 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,840 Chief Police Officer. 894 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,400 So to hear that he had actually suspended him, 895 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,640 erm, came as a huge surprise to me. 896 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,320 I had no doubt at all... 897 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,280 ..that Graham Power had to go. 898 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,200 I had no doubt... Well, he had to be suspended. Let me caveat that. 899 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,200 I would have liked him to have come out of this with... 900 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,240 ..great credit, and he could have done 901 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:44,200 had he not let Lenny Harper run riot with media briefings 902 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,920 and the way he conducted the whole thing. 903 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,360 The forensic recoveries do not indicate 904 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200 that there have been murders of children or other persons 905 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,480 at Haut de la Garenne, nor do we believe that the evidence indicates 906 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,240 that bodies have been destroyed, buried or hidden. 907 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,000 There are no reported people missing. 908 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,440 There are no credible allegations of murder. 909 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,000 There is no suspect for a murder. 910 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,600 And there is no specific time period for murder. 911 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,320 170 pieces of bone, which are mainly animal, 912 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,240 were found in the area of Haut de la Garenne when it was searched. 913 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,000 Of all that amount of material, 914 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,720 there are three fragments which are possibly human. 915 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,720 The biggest piece is 25 millimetres long. 916 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,720 There are 65 teeth found in the floorboards 917 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,840 and one elsewhere. 918 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,680 These teeth generally have the appearance of being shed naturally. 919 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,720 The officer in the photograph is about five foot ten inches tall 920 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,000 and you can see the height of the void. 921 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,800 It's not a dungeon, it's not a cellar. 922 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,240 How did we get here? I mean, it was stated on the record 923 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,960 that the remains of five children had been found at this home. 924 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,280 We told, as a media, the public this was fact, 925 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,520 and now today we're saying, because you've told us, 926 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,760 well, actually, no, this was all rubbish. 927 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,480 That's a huge admission to make. It is, and I very much regret. 928 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,480 I mean, I'm here representing the States of Jersey Police, 929 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,480 I'm representing all my colleagues here 930 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,600 and very, very much regret that this has actually happened. 931 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,400 There were specialist PR people brought in 932 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,200 to help protect Jersey's image and, erm... 933 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,240 ..I suspect that's a normal thing that happens 934 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,840 after such terrible, terrible news has been made public. 935 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,520 The media tried to sensationalise what was going on 936 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,760 and then trashed what they sensationalised. 937 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,000 And it wasn't just one day. It spanned over a couple of weeks 938 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,000 and they were bringing out more and more and more. 939 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,880 And it was almost as if this was all premeditated. 940 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,120 I was angry for the care leavers 941 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,200 because they themselves, this put them in disarray. 942 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,960 They thought, "Right, we're never going to get justice." 943 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,320 Everything that we were working towards seemed to be, erm... 944 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,080 ..sabotaged. 945 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,680 Graham was suspended, so he was effectively silenced, 946 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,640 and I was under attack. 947 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,320 I had no voice. 948 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,720 And that was where Neil and Rico came in. 949 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,000 It was clear to anybody that Graham Power was shafted 950 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,960 totally and royally by the establishment of Jersey, 951 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,520 and he was shafted because he had the audacity 952 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,440 to let Lenny Harper investigate decades-long child abuse. 953 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,200 That's all it came down to. 954 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,520 Because if you remember, back in the day, 955 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,280 before Operation Rectangle, the editorials in our only newspaper 956 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,520 were praising Lenny Harper for rooting out the corruption... 957 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,520 2007, they were the greatest two cops going. Yeah. 958 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,440 And then a child abuse inquiry came up 959 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,160 and next month they're the two worst cops in the world, 960 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,720 and you think, "How the bloody hell did that happen?" 961 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,120 And that's when you and I both said, "You know what, 962 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,760 "if we're going to do this..." Yeah. "..we're going to do this." 963 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,080 I've done 300-and-some-odd videos altogether. 964 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,760 Erm, where is it? Wasn't it that one? No, that was 14-minutes-odd. 965 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,880 No. 966 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,000 Now, the one thing we haven't got is any voids here. 967 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,360 What difference does it make whether you call them cellars or voids? 968 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,520 We went up there and we filmed them and they were up to six foot tall. 969 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,960 Four foot six... That's not the end of the... 970 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,360 Four foot six... It goes higher than that. 971 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,240 Well, if you go up here, where I'm standing now, 972 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,160 where this concrete here, and I've no idea where this is... 973 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,240 That's the floor. I don't even have to bend. Yeah. 974 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,680 I'm... And I'm about five eight, five nine, five ten. 975 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,960 It doesn't really make a difference because there's certainly enough 976 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,480 room down there for a child abuser to commit his crimes regardless. 977 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,720 There's ample room here if anyone wanted to do anything untoward 978 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,200 with the children and ample room here, even if I bend down. 979 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,000 But of course, a piece of child's skull was found 980 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,880 up at Haut de la Garenne. This was in the local news. 981 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,320 But then, after a certain amount of time, 982 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,520 they're reporting, "Oh, it was coconut." 983 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,760 And the people of Jersey think, 984 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,920 "Oh, well, bloody hell, that's OK, then." 985 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,840 That's why we talk about that. 986 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,800 But nobody's ever said, "How the bloody hell did that happen?" 987 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,480 How does a piece of child's skull turn into a piece of coconut? 988 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,800 It's a simple question, but nobody's ever asked it. 989 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160 We have, and we've blogged on it, 990 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,240 and we've put all the evidence up from the anthropologists. 991 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,200 And then that's when we discovered that it wasn't... 992 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,200 The evidence wasn't audited when it left Jersey. 993 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,080 They came back a different size, texture and colour. 994 01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,800 Hang on, could it have been a switch? Could it have been swapped? 995 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,080 You know, nobody's ever asked that question. 996 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,040 I don't think you're going to get the answer to every question, 997 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,480 but I think you've got to ask those questions. 998 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,200 And the fact that a lot of them don't get answered or get ignored 999 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,960 does give you the answer that you were looking for anyway. 1000 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,920 We called an emergency meeting in town. 1001 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,240 We invited Mick Gradwell along. 1002 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,720 We asked him what was going on and he said, 1003 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,240 "Look, you just need to drop your case. 1004 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,520 "None of you are going to get what you want 1005 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,760 "so you might as well drop your case now." 1006 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,160 We were so angry with his response. 1007 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,160 We were just stunned. 1008 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,360 So we had to ask him to leave. 1009 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,440 And it wasn't about a piece of coconut. 1010 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,720 It was about human lives, 1011 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,960 children that were systematically abused 1012 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,480 time after time after time and ignored. 1013 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,520 I didn't want to go through with it in the first place 1014 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,000 and then I managed to build up the courage to actually speak out 1015 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,240 and come out about what had happened. 1016 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,720 And, erm, there was evidence there... 1017 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,720 ..to prove that what had happened did happen, 1018 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,000 and a lot of it was never brought up in court. 1019 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,000 REPORTER: The allegations didn't stop at Haut de la Garenne. 1020 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,160 At Blanche Pierre, the house parents, Jane and Alan Maguire, 1021 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,480 subjected children to gross acts of physical and psychological abuse. 1022 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,960 You've ruined the lives of many children in Jersey. 1023 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,800 Do you have any remorse at all? 1024 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,520 I tried getting answers to the questions I was asking 1025 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,760 of our politicians and of the rest of them. 1026 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,840 They ignored me and ignored me. 1027 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,480 I then had to just go out to doorstep them. 1028 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,520 Attorney General, could you just tell the citizens of Jersey 1029 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,960 why you've decided not to prosecute the BLEEP? 1030 01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,520 Attorney General? Would you like to tell the taxpayers 1031 01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,440 of your wages why you will not prosecute the BLEEP? 1032 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,160 I remain concerned for the victims that... 1033 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,440 ..were obviously upset by their cases, 1034 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,600 11 or 12 cases, being dropped. 1035 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,240 On the other hand, the Attorney General, I think, 1036 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,560 was concerned that he did not want to take forward prosecutions 1037 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,320 that he wasn't sure were going to win. 1038 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360 REPORTER: The island's Attorney General, William Bailhache, 1039 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,400 has revealed that there will be no further action taken against 1040 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,760 a couple arrested in June as part of the inquiry 1041 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,600 due to insufficient evidence. 1042 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,000 The justice system in Jersey is alive and well 1043 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,480 and will perform its functions fairly and objectively. 1044 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,960 My brother became the Attorney General one remove after me, 1045 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,840 and for some people that was evidence of corruption. 1046 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,760 Here was a community where two brothers were in Crown Office 1047 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,720 and therefore that was ipso facto corrupt. 1048 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,520 Erm, it wasn't. 1049 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,160 William Bailhache was the island's Attorney General 1050 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,240 during Operation Rectangle. 1051 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,480 Mr Bailhache said it was understandable that victims 1052 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,760 may have been suspicious of the authorities 1053 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,960 but the reasons for this mistrust originated with the police 1054 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,400 and children's services and not his office. 1055 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,200 Today, Gordon Claude Wateridge was found guilty of sexually abusing 1056 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,960 girls in his care in the early 1970s. 1057 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,520 He groped three girls at Haut de la Garenne, 1058 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,880 touching their breasts and inner thighs. 1059 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,640 Some pretty middle-of-the-road sort of people, 1060 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000 but no-one of any sort of stature 1061 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,920 was ever taken to court on this island. 1062 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,080 Colin Tilbrook, who became known as "the pillow man", 1063 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,960 he abused multiple people. 1064 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,920 His stepdaughter came out and said that she was abused by him. 1065 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,560 He's dead now. 1066 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,160 And there's so many others. 1067 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,720 Jimmy Savile, you know. 1068 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,320 Wilfred Krichefski. He was a former senator. 1069 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,320 Then we had Jeff Le Marquand. 1070 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,640 This wasn't just one bad apple or a couple of bad apples. 1071 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,400 It was prolific. 1072 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,440 CROWD CHANT: What do we want? Justice! 1073 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,480 When do we want it? Now! 1074 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,520 INDISTINCT CHANTS CONTINUE 1075 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,560 WHISTLING DROWNS OUT BAND 1076 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,240 We want justice! We want justice! 1077 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,440 Boo! 1078 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440 We want justice! We want justice! Boo! 1079 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,280 We want justice! 1080 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,720 I'm going to pass you on to someone who does know 1081 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,440 how to speak to the public, Senator Stuart Syvret. 1082 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,480 CHEERING 1083 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,200 What do we want? CROWD: Justice! 1084 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,280 When do we want it? CROWD: Now! 1085 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,640 Syvret was daily denouncing the service we were providing. 1086 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,960 The pressure was incredible and to have this constant criticism 1087 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,200 of the people providing the service at that time... 1088 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,680 I said something I shouldn't have. 1089 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,760 Erm, but under massive provocation. 1090 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,440 If you read the blog posts around the month preceding 1091 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,520 those comments of mine 1092 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,480 about the service Jersey was providing today, 1093 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,480 and bear in mind that nobody wanted to come and work in Jersey 1094 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,680 and we had people calling off ill and we had children in our care 1095 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,760 and the court still asking... 1096 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,760 ..taking children and putting them in the care of the state, 1097 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,560 perhaps I should have just punched the twat. 1098 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,360 It would have been better had I, because he deserved it. 1099 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,440 I paid the price politically. 1100 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,480 I resigned... 1101 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,400 ..a few months later and I didn't seek re-election. 1102 01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:22,080 WENDY KINNARD: My experience of being in the States, 1103 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,200 being involved with getting legislation passed, 1104 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,240 anything to do with financial services, 1105 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,200 would go to the top of the list in terms of getting resources. 1106 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,480 That was generally seen as a greater priority than protecting victims. 1107 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:40,000 If you take something like the sex offenders law, 1108 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,160 I began doing some work on that in 2003. 1109 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,480 I saw 27 drafts that I turned round 1110 01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:50,840 in order to try and get this legislation. 1111 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,760 So it is unfortunate to say that at the time of Operation Rectangle 1112 01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:00,440 that we had no significant pieces of legislation in place 1113 01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:02,480 in terms of child protection. 1114 01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:07,200 It contrasted to the progress of financial legislation 1115 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,160 because of our economy being based on financial services. 1116 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,480 When I headed the Economic Advisory Service, 1117 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:17,280 I talked to many companies about locating in Jersey. 1118 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,960 One of the problems that I was confronting was the way in which 1119 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,280 the government was captive to the finance industry 1120 01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,400 and the way in which the finance industry was coming forward and 1121 01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,760 saying, "We want this law, and, by the way, we've written it for you." 1122 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,160 And it would go through parliament on the nod because, by and large, 1123 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,480 the parliamentarians in Jersey, you've got a very strange situation 1124 01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:40,720 with Deputies and Connetables, most of whom know nothing whatsoever 1125 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,840 about international financial services. 1126 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,560 They weren't in a position to challenge any of the laws. 1127 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,000 So the finance industry loved it because they had a situation 1128 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,600 where you weren't going to get a change of government, 1129 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,120 you'd always have the same people at the top 1130 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,200 and those people were very amenable to bringing forth bits 1131 01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,160 of legislation which they themselves commissioned. 1132 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:05,240 It's all about establishing the right environment 1133 01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,840 to persuade, if that's the right word, 1134 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,520 to encourage the world's leading banks 1135 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:15,760 and many, many other world, erm... globally represented companies. 1136 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,480 It's about creating that environment that makes them want to come 1137 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:22,760 to Jersey, makes them know that if they come to Jersey, 1138 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,960 their reputation will not be harmed in any way. 1139 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,280 These large transnational law firms like Appleby Global 1140 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,800 and their clients, like the Apple corporation, 1141 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,520 as we now know from the Paradise Papers, 1142 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,160 actually wanted political stability in a place like Jersey. 1143 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,480 The stakes are vast. 1144 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,200 One morning, I was walking across the drive 1145 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:17,360 and immediately three unmarked police cars screeched to a halt. 1146 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,840 There were two officers in each of the three cars. 1147 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,160 Six of them leapt out and surrounded me, one grabbed me by the wrist, 1148 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,000 said, "Stuart Syvret, you are under arrest 1149 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,000 "for breaking the data protection law." 1150 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,840 This was them brandishing a fist and making an example of me 1151 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,240 as they had made an example of Graham Power. 1152 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,000 This was to terrify everyone else in the community 1153 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,680 and make them keep their mouth shut and their heads down 1154 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,320 and not rock the boat. 1155 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,160 My God, if these people can do that to a police chief 1156 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,760 and they can do that to the senior senator, 1157 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,160 what chance have we got against them? 1158 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,520 So, that's the Jersey prison over there - La Moye Prison. 1159 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,480 Those long roofs, you can see the barbed-wire fence. 1160 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:13,160 It was kind of interesting lying there in prison 1161 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,480 and knowing that all these little wonderful coves that I know so well 1162 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,000 from my rock climbing and running are down here 1163 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,200 just, like, a matter of, like, a couple of hundred yards away 1164 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,680 from where you're lying in a prison cell. 1165 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:32,760 So they've jailed me in there for two three-month periods so far. 1166 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,960 I fully expect to be jailed again. 1167 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,440 Hello, Stuart. Released again. 1168 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,960 What's the plan? You've just done two months now. 1169 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,440 What's the plan now on your release? 1170 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,240 I think the role of the blogs was incredibly significant. 1171 01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,480 And I think certainly the two blogs that I think 1172 01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:21,160 were particularly significant actually are Neil's, 1173 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,520 and that's Voiceforchildren, 1174 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,480 and also the Rico Sorda blog, when it was running, was very good. 1175 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:31,400 And I think the impact they've had 1176 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,840 was such that without them, 1177 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,680 I don't believe we would have actually got the care inquiry. 1178 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,560 It really was a roller-coaster to have this inquiry up and running. 1179 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,520 It was a collective effort of keeping it alive 1180 01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,200 and that was the main thing, because each time 1181 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,960 there was new government, it died, and we had to reinvent it, 1182 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,720 to keep it alive, to keep it in the media, 1183 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,600 to get to where we got eventually. 1184 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,040 At the beginning, it was just Haut de la Garenne, 1185 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,720 but we had to change it so that it included 1186 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,160 all children's care homes, to include foster homes. 1187 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,960 We had four objectives. 1188 01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,720 The first was an apology to all those that suffered as children. 1189 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,200 The second was to gain a sense of identity through records 1190 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,440 so that people knew exactly where they came from, 1191 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,920 where they went to for the redress scheme 1192 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,520 to give some form of compensation, 1193 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,160 and then the committee of inquiry as to how all these things 1194 01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,200 were ever allowed to happen. 1195 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,520 There's not many of us left. 1196 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,440 I think the world should know what this tiny little island 1197 01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:09,720 doesn't want the world to know. 1198 01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,560 They just want to see it as a rich man's island, 1199 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,920 a quiet place to bring your children up. 1200 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,840 But behind the scenes, 1201 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,480 do they ever bother about children that really need help? 1202 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,480 Peter Hannaford. Peter Hannaford. He was in Haut de la Garenne. 1203 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:37,920 Terribly sexually abused. 1204 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,400 Erm... 1205 01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,440 Nearly every night he was abused, Peter. 1206 01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,000 He was quite a heavy drinker 1207 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,680 but he was such a lovely person as well. 1208 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,560 It's so sad. 1209 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,400 Peter was one of the first to speak out about the abuse. 1210 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,960 Heidi was in Haut de la Garenne with us, with her brothers. 1211 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,400 Many of the children that were in the home 1212 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,920 either committed suicide 1213 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,400 or died of drugs or alcohol. 1214 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,240 Paul died of drugs. Overdose. 1215 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,440 He came from a middle-class family, actually. 1216 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,880 They weren't short of money. 1217 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,400 He went to a private school. 1218 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,240 For some reason, he ended up at Haut de la Garenne 1219 01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,440 and then when he left Haut de la Garenne... 1220 01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,960 ..he started taking drugs 1221 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,840 and, erm...that's what killed him, unfortunately. 1222 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,360 You've got victims and you've got survivors. 1223 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,000 The victims are those that can't let go. 1224 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,080 They may have been abused ten years ago, 50 years ago, 1225 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,200 but they're still victims 1226 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,000 and it's still today as far as they're concerned, or yesterday, 1227 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,000 and it's a living nightmare for them. 1228 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,720 They've got drink addiction, they've got drug addiction, 1229 01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,160 they can't work, they've got emotional problems. 1230 01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,400 And then you've got the survivors who, like myself, you... 1231 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,720 You try and get on with your life, you try not to let what happened 1232 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,960 to you as a child dictate how you should live as an adult 1233 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,240 and you try and rise above it. 1234 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,960 I was too frightened to tell anybody. 1235 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,840 I spoke about it with my brother. 1236 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,440 I know for a fact that Michael experienced... 1237 01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:46,480 ..exactly the same as what I went through. 1238 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,400 And I believe it just got too much for him. 1239 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,400 And he ended up, he hung himself. 1240 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:57,760 And I firmly believe that that was because of the abuse, 1241 01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,480 the sexual abuse. 1242 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,440 He was only 14. 1243 01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:06,200 So, to this day, I firmly believe that. 1244 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,920 No other reason. 1245 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,680 He had just had enough. 1246 01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,200 They're not going to get their day in court but they are going to get 1247 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,840 their story heard, and that was so important for me, 1248 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,960 that they had a right to tell their story 1249 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,280 and they had a right for it to be made public as well. 1250 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,400 I was listening to a lot of evidence from victims and survivors 1251 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,040 given to the care inquiry 1252 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,480 and one particular person said how he was raped 1253 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,760 as an eight-year-old child. 1254 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,760 His anus was bleeding for days. He was embarrassed 1255 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,120 so he was keeping it packed with toilet paper for days. 1256 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,240 In the end, it was bleeding that bad, 1257 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,480 they had to take him to the hospital. 1258 01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:51,080 It's... 1259 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,440 Did I have a duty to try and protect Jersey's reputation? 1260 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,480 Yes, of course I did. 1261 01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:11,200 But my prime duty, my prime motivation, 1262 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,720 my prime aim was always 1263 01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,960 to get the truth out, to protect the children 1264 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,600 and prosecute the criminals. 1265 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,240 We had nothing to hide and we wanted everyone in Jersey 1266 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,800 and indeed further afield to know that we had nothing to hide. 1267 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,760 We find that there can be no doubt that a significant number 1268 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,720 of children in the care of the States of Jersey 1269 01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,400 suffered instances of physical abuse, sexual abuse 1270 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,760 and emotional neglect. 1271 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,000 We find it deplorable that the States of Jersey 1272 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,760 has failed to understand its role as corporate parent. 1273 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,960 There were no external inspections of children's homes 1274 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,640 or children's services for approximately 20 years, 1275 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,440 no difficult questions asked. 1276 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:03,480 This is unacceptable. 1277 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:07,880 On the 9th of May 2008, Jersey's Bailiff, Sir Philip Bailhache, 1278 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,000 made the Liberation Day speech. 1279 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,680 We cannot accept that a politician and lawyer of his experience 1280 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,240 would inadvertently have made what he told the inquiry was, 1281 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,520 I quote, "unfortunate juxtaposition of words". 1282 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,200 We find that Senator Syvret highlighted relevant issues 1283 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,200 about child abuse that needed to be addressed 1284 01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,520 to ensure the protection and safety of children in Jersey. 1285 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,120 We record our disquiet at the manner in which 1286 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,480 the suspension of Mr Power was handled. 1287 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:39,760 Graham Power was suspended with no notice in respect 1288 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,600 of alleged past failings, when there was no suggestion 1289 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,800 that those past failings could have an effect on his ability 1290 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,760 in future to carry out his duties. 1291 01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,560 Throughout the length of the operation, all policing 1292 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,960 and prosecution decisions were made conscientiously and properly. 1293 01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:01,240 We have concluded that there has been no political appetite in Jersey 1294 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,160 for addressing social issues concerning the welfare of children. 1295 01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,000 Children may still be at risk in Jersey 1296 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,520 and the children in the care system are not always receiving 1297 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,560 the kind or quality of care and support that they need. 1298 01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,760 Well, the truth has come out, erm... 1299 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,960 ..and that's important to me 1300 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,800 because we weren't believed before and now we're believed. 1301 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,440 Too often children were not believed. 1302 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,200 Unpalatable truths were swept under the carpet 1303 01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,920 because it was the easiest thing to do. 1304 01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,720 I am deeply sorry. 1305 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,960 We did not do what we should have done. 1306 01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,680 People cared more for the status quo, 1307 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,920 for a quiet life, 1308 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,920 than for children. 1309 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,440 On a personal note, it's made me a stronger person. 1310 01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,000 Erm... 1311 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,920 It's no secret that I've attempted suicide many times in my life... 1312 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,400 ..but going through the whole process, 1313 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,760 helping other care leavers, lobbying, 1314 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,120 fighting for justice of some form or another has helped me. 1315 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,160 Sound asleep. 1316 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,680 Hasn't got a care in the world. 1317 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,280 She's got long eyelashes. 1318 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,960 In my youth, I was scared to have children. 1319 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,480 Erm, and I think that's because of my... 1320 01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:01,760 ..the way I was brought up. 1321 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,960 I think a lot of girls... 1322 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,800 ..didn't have children because of the reason 1323 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,800 of what happened to them. 1324 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,320 Would they cope and would they do what was done to them, 1325 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,000 you know? 1326 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,480 Hmm. 1327 01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,160 Hey, sweetie pie. 1328 01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,440 Hey. Oh! 1329 01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,680 Oh! 1330 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,080 I don't believe we're at an ending of this. 1331 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,320 This is a thing I think... 1332 01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,880 Erm, this is all ongoing, 1333 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,480 because Jersey is still structured exactly the same 1334 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:48,120 as it has been all through these decades. 1335 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,200 When you look at the two camps, 1336 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,400 those who wanted to speak out, their lives have been destroyed, 1337 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,600 they've lost their homes, they've lost their relationships, 1338 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,440 their reputation, their career, everything. 1339 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:09,160 And all those who were trying to protect the reputation of Jersey 1340 01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,920 are doing pretty well, thank you very much. 1341 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,320 They've all been decorated by the Queen. 1342 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,400 What about the people who have risked their lives 1343 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,320 and the survivors themselves? 1344 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,920 Don't they deserve some kind of recognition? 115187

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