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Let's get those feeders in, Connor.
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Wrapped up in the bow rope,
or whatever.
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This is my escape.
This is...this is...
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I don't drink, I don't drug,
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I have nothing to escape
the realities of the island.
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But...coming out of these pierheads
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is the only sort of respite
I really get.
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It puts it into context.
You think you've got it tough?
You've got it bad?
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What about the victims
and survivors, what they've been
through?
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A lot of them didn't survive.
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And some say it's the lucky ones
that died.
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If I had the choice of knowing
what I know now or not knowing it,
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if I could turn the clock back,
I wish I could, I...
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I wouldn't want to know what I know.
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Many try and describe us
as a sleazy offshore tax haven,
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and nothing, but nothing,
could be further from the truth.
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The people putting their money
in somewhere safe do not care
about the natives,
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they care about their money.
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And that's billions and billions
of dark money in there.
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Nothing in Jersey is as it seems.
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It all looks very chocolate box
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and nice and cute on the surface.
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There was a desire to deny it
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so as not to actually face
the reality.
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You've got that darkest desire
to believe in evil.
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These people were scared.
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They wanted to tell their stories.
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Who controls our island?
Who runs our island?
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It's not the elected politicians,
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it's the Crown officers.
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Many people said,
"Don't take an island job,
they always end in tears.
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"Don't take an island job unless
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"you can afford to walk away
from it."
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Well, I could, but I didn't.
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I got advice from an old,
experienced island officer
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at one point, when I first
started there, and he said,
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"Look, you've got to understand,
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"in these islands, what
the politicians expect you to do
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"is to lock up the drunks
on a Saturday night,
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"catch a few burglars
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"and otherwise,
mind your own business.
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"Don't go looking for trouble."
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There was a vacancy
for the Deputy Chief Officer.
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Lenny Harper quickly made it through
to the shortlist.
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He also had some senior
detective experience.
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One of his references from the Met
described him as,
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"One of the best detectives
of his generation".
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My first six weeks in Jersey
were spent very much, um...
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..getting to know people.
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Intelligence we've received
in the last few days...
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The head of the law department
at the police was convinced
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that there was a paedophile ring
operating on the island.
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And the reasons that he gave
for this was
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his difficulty in ever getting
any prosecutions.
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And he kept hammering away at this
to me.
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I then started examining old cases.
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There had already been a couple
of trials in Jersey
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in respect of sexual assaults
of children,
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and one name kept popping up
again and again.
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That was Haut de la Garenne
children's home.
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There was one particular casefile
I looked at
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where there appeared to be gaps.
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I was given some excuses as to
why it hadn't been dealt with.
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And when we looked into it,
those excuses just fell apart.
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And that was the real beginning,
then, of Operation Rectangle,
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although it didn't become
Operation Rectangle
for a little while after that.
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The few victims that I met
totally impressed me
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with their sincerity and their fear.
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I was born in Jersey
to Irish parents.
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My parents were from Cork,
Churchtown.
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When I was five, I went to
Haut de la Garenne children's home.
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We had a lot of children living
in the home.
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Not only from Jersey,
we had them from Guernsey, as well.
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You had a lot of French immigrants
that came to work on the farms.
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They were poor people, as well.
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They found that the accommodation
for their children,
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it wasn't there for them.
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So they ended up in the home,
you see.
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Myself and some other lads
had broken into a shop.
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And we'd stolen some cigarettes
and, er...chocolates
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and various other things.
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So I was sent to,
um...Haut de la Garenne
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by the Royal Court of Jersey.
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I was there between 1963 and '64.
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It was run by a man called
Colin Tilbrook.
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He ran the home like an army camp.
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Tilbrook, he was a very strict,
very, very aggressive man.
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And when he spoke to you, he didn't
speak to you, he shouted at you.
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As young boys,
we made up this little song.
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There's a man who walks
through the ward late at night
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Mr Tilbrook, Mr Tilbrook
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With his little black bag
held so tight
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Mr Tilbrook, Mr Tilbrook.
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I was terrified
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if he was to call me into
his little office.
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Because I knew what he wanted
from me, you see.
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It wasn't just myself, he used to
call on other children, as well.
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We used to say we were going to tell
somebody
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and he used to say, "Well, go ahead,
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"because no-one's going
to believe you."
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Operational police officers
were saying,
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"There is a historic problem
of child abuse
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"at Haut de la Garenne."
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We were getting snippets of it
as part of other inquiries.
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Graham Power then decided
that we would instigate
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Operation Rectangle,
but keep it under wraps.
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Along the way,
I found myself having to deal...
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..a little bit with Stuart Syvret,
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who then, at that time,
was Health Minister in Jersey.
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And Stuart was saying,
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"Look, I'm picking up stories
about historic abuse.
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"I know that you've been told
about it.
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"And if you don't get out there
and do something about it,
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"I'm going to whistle-blow."
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Jersey's a very small community
and a lot of people know each other.
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In late 2006, word started
to reach me
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about abuses that were still
going on
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and that had been covered up
in the past.
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As the Health and Social
Services Minister,
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this was deeply concerning to me.
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So I began making my own inquiries.
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This was a catastrophic failure
of the island's system of government
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and of its ability to protect
its population.
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This went back decades and decades.
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I would sometimes speak to people
over the phone.
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Sometimes they wouldn't want
to contact me directly,
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they'd be too scared.
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Sometimes I had to meet people
in very obscure locations
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at strange times.
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I had to meet one man
who was a victim
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on a bleak December Monday morning.
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He told me of the abuse he suffered.
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This man ended up crying
on my shoulder.
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You know, in a doorway
in a back alley in St Helier.
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A lot of the meetings
I was having with survivors
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were deeply harrowing.
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I'm a lifelong Jersey resident
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and I served in Jersey's government
for 18 years.
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Everyone recognises
that child abuse takes place,
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sadly, everywhere.
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But it had never been an issue
in Jersey.
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And I think most of us believed
that if it was taking place,
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it was taking place
in a very, um...limited way.
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At the time of Operation Rectangle,
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my role was one of oversight
of the police service.
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I was in a meeting with both
the Chief of Police, Graham Power,
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and the Deputy Chief, Lenny Harper.
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And when I was briefed about, um...
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..how far they had got, if you like,
in terms of the covert operation,
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and now they felt that other
ministers had to be told,
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particularly,
obviously, the Chief Minister,
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and that very soon,
we would have to, um...
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..make the whole operation public,
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I did say, "Well, they won't
like this one little bit
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"and we could all lose our jobs
over this."
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Senator Syvret had been
very concerned
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and he made a statement
in the States of Jersey
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that he did not have any confidence
in his own department
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in terms of the way in which they
dealt with child protection.
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All of a sudden, he was making
these really strong allegations
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against his own officers publicly.
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That's unacceptable
under any ministerial code.
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I had a great kind of sympathy
for the issues that he was raising,
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but very often, he was very
confrontational in terms of staff.
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And he did lay himself open, really,
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to the possibility of his removal,
which is very unfortunate.
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Senior operational people
were convened
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to sign a motion of no confidence
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in Senator Stuart Syvret
as Health Minister.
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And that would be taken forward
by the Chief Minister
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and used as a vehicle...
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..to get rid of him.
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Rather than the child abuse
being the problem,
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they flipped the script
so I was the problem.
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That I had been...
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By saying these things,
I was bullying staff,
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undermining staff morale.
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And this became the pretext
to having me sacked as
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Health and Social Services Minister.
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He was thrown out of office.
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He was subject to all sorts of
negative briefing with the media.
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And, in some ways,
they've been on his back ever since.
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I was horrified,
and I made it quickly clear -
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"I am not getting involved in this.
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"Crikey, I'm a police officer.
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"I'm supposed to serve the Queen.
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"I'm not getting involved in
this sordid business you're up to."
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People will try and defend
themselves and say,
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"No, that wasn't how it was at all."
Oh, yes, it was!
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Oh, yes, it was.
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The press conference was called
by the Chief Minister to explain
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why Senator Syvret had been sacked.
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What few had counted on was
that Senator Syvret would turn up.
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At a public meeting, those working
alongside the Chief Minister
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tried to stop the man
at the centre of the debate
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from taking a chair.
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They literally tried
to wrestle it from him.
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I am not entering into a debate.
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That is my last word on the subject.
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OVERLAPPING CHATTER
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Please, are there any questions
for the minister...?
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I-I think... Can I, can I...?
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Can I say - I'm sorry, gentlemen,
ladies and gentlemen,
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this is a press conference I called.
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Senator Syvret has basically
muscled in on it.
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But, in another act of what many
will see as further pettiness
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and small-mindedness,
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the communications unit packed up
the state's backdrop.
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There were giggles from
the gathered press corps.
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Can I begin by saying I'm here
at the invitation of the visiting
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national media journalists here?
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It was a huge disappointment to me.
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He and I have always approached
politics from very different
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ends of the spectrum.
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But, for the first 18 months or
so of me being Chief Minister
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and he being Health Minister,
we had a very positive relationship.
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And then, it just went
completely wrong.
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There's a tremendous amount of
money here, vast amounts of wealth,
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a lot of power concentrated
into very few hands.
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That ruling elite want
the status quo to remain.
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Jersey's a tax haven which has
been going for many, many years.
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It's used by people from around
the world to hide their assets.
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We can only guess at the value
of the assets held there.
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They're somewhere close to about
half a trillion US dollars.
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Of course, the wealth itself
is not in Jersey.
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You know, there's very little
investment in Jersey itself.
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This is just wealth
which is booked there,
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but which is invested elsewhere -
very often in real estate
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in Britain, or real estate somewhere
in Europe or North America.
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Any small community, if it's
going to survive, you know,
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it has to find its niche
in the global economy.
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We are very reliant on
the finance industry
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and all that goes with that.
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And that ties in with
this cultural phenomenon,
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which they call the "Jersey way".
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Just don't ask
inconvenient questions.
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These places do not like
to have publicity,
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unless it's favourable publicity.
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We knew that Stuart had been
canvassing on behalf
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of abuse victims,
so we thought we had better,
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A, take him into our confidence,
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and B, go public ourselves.
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We were completely open
with the media,
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and we said we would not tolerate...
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..any interference from Jersey
politicians or anybody else.
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And if any Jersey politicians
tried to interfere,
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we would feel their collars.
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It was as though a huge weight
had been lifted from
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my shoulders, certainly.
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Because suddenly, we thought,
"Well, this is it.
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"We'll finally get this cleaned up.
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"We're going to get justice."
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And we sat there thinking,
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"Well, I wonder if
the phone will ring."
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Within a week or two, we had
hundreds of victims coming forward.
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Tilbrook wanted me to, you know...
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..do things to him, you know?
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He would tell me what to do.
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I remember him taking
his belt off and flicking it -
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like, it made a snapping noise -
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and warning me if I didn't
do what I was told,
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he would use that on me.
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He'd always have a pillow
under his arm.
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If you screamed out, he would
put the pillow over your face
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and tell you to be quiet.
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You were subject to constant abuse,
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whether it was by the rape of older
kids and encouraged by the staff,
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but it was constant,
it was every night.
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You were scared to go to bed
cos you don't know if you'll be
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the one that'll get hit, or somebody
else is going to be the one
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that's going to get hit.
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There was an occasion in the
sickbay where I was made
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to fondle another boy.
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You know...
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If you didn't, you know,
you were threatened you wouldn't
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come out there alive.
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I was told that anything
that happened in the home,
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you don't tell anybody at all,
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because nobody will ever
believe you.
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And if you do let it slip
out and tell anybody,
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the punishment is you'll
have your tongue cut out.
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Some of the girls got pregnant,
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they would get the baby
taken away from them.
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And my question is,
and always has been...
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..where were the authorities,
and what were they doing?
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It's horrific.
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And, you know, we all greeted it
with a case of shock and horror,
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even though it probably took
place 30 or 40 years ago,
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not on our watch.
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But nevertheless, we are now
responsible for making sure that
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all people involved in this are
ferreted out and prosecuted.
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The police investigation had gone
public in late November.
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Back then, I was still the senior
senator in the Jersey parliament.
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So, I was the Father of the House.
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And it falls to the senior senator
to lead, like, the kind of
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end-of-term speeches, as it were,
like a Christmas speech.
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As we approach Christmas,
I am giving thought
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to the less fortunate,
to the victims,
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those who have been ignored,
those who have been failed.
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And I believe as we approach...
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Senator. Senator, I'm sorry.
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Every member is with you
in that respect,
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but it is not the occasion
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for this kind of speech.
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We have a dysfunctional,
non-functioning democracy.
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Erm, very low voter turnout.
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Why bother voting?
Nothing much ever changes.
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Because the real power sits
with Crown appointees.
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You've got the Bailiff.
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He's the Speaker in Parliament.
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Now, that sounds quite benign.
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But the Speaker controls
the debates, says who can speak,
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who can't speak and what questions
can be asked, or not asked.
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As I mentioned, I direct you
to sit down, Senator, or I'm...
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It became clear to me that
we were facing far worse...
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We will have to forego
the remaining speeches.
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As I contemplated several years
of bitter struggle...
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DOOR SHUTS
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I kind of stood there at
my desk, kind of staring up
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at the roof lights, thinking...
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.."This didn't happen."
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I went home, you know, afterwards.
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I happened to bump into one of
the survivors down the road
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who had heard this happening on the
radio, cos it was broadcast live.
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And he basically hugged me,
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and he started crying in
the streets, you know?
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When I got back to my flat
that evening, I knew I'd have to
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phone up lots of the very vulnerable
survivors and explain to them,
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you know, what had happened,
and how, you know,
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try and apologise to them for
how disgusting my colleagues were.
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You know, I got out of my suit,
I put some jeans on,
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just got a bottle of wine.
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I just laid down on my futon
and just drank wine,
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and stared at the ceiling.
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And on that occasion,
that was when I first found myself
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seriously thinking of ways
to kill myself on that day.
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There were also statements
from people at the home
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who said that children had been
dragged screaming from their beds
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and had never been seen again.
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There was a statement which said
that staff had chased one child
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along a corridor, who had then
leapt out the window...
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..and that child
was never seen again.
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And then, we had a solicitor
approach us who said that he had
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a client who saw a dead body.
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I met somebody who was very,
very distressed,
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who I knew quite well,
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and they were actually
lying on this floor.
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I said, "What happened?"
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And I got a bit of a story.
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I was told about dead children.
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I was told about, well,
there were even...
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You know, the rapes,
the beatings, erm, and related
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this person had been through.
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So, I made a disclosure
to law enforcement.
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Which is what you would expect
somebody to do in my position.
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We identify, because of stories
being told, a need to go to
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Haute de la Garenne and search
under the floorboards,
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because we had people
who were saying that they saw
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something suspicious,
they believed it was a child's body.
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Ridiculous though it may seem now,
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we said, "We should be able to
do it discreetly and it shouldn't
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"cause a lot of fuss."
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Erm...
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Oh, dear.
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From the air, it's much easier
to gauge the layout
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of the former children's home.
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So, let's take a look at it.
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Now, the white tent that you can see
there at the rear of the building
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nearest us - that marks the
position of the first site
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that's been under investigation.
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We went to Haut de la Garenne,
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and we put Eddie, the cadaver dog,
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out into the grounds.
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And he went into the building then.
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EDDIE BARKS
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He reacted very strongly
in an area of Haut de la Garenne.
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BARKING CONTINUES
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And we decided that the
anthropologists should dig
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at that spot.
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The next morning, I was at home
when I got a phone call to say
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that a human bone had been found.
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What the forensic
archaeologist described as
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a piece of juvenile skull.
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It was one awful Sunday evening when
I took a phone call to tell me that
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there was a major issue erupting
around the Haut de la Garenne,
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and that the whole thing was going
to blow up into something huge.
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I will never be able to explain
adequately how I felt
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when I took that phone call.
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And, of course,
then events from that point
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spiralled for quite some time...
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..unbelievably, unbelievably badly.
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Within no time at all,
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we were surrounded by media teams
with long-distance microphones.
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So, what we'd planned as a quick,
discreet operation
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turned into a carnival.
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The partial remains of a child
were found at Haut de la Garenne
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at the weekend.
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Police search for more bodies at
a former children's home in Jersey.
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During the 1970s and '80s,
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the Haut de la Garenne was state-run
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until it closed in 1986.
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Garenne means "rabbit warren" -
which gives some indication of
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the kind of challenge police face
in searching this building.
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With every day that has passed
since the search here began,
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the number of calls to the
police incident room has increased.
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Fresh allegations of cruelty
or abuse from those who spent
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their childhoods here.
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00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320
More locations to be searched.
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00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,880
A flow of information that
will keep forensic experts
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at Haut de la Garenne into
the weekend and beyond.
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Morning. Morning.
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Vicky, forensic? Yep, sure.
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Erm, Elaine finished
her typing yesterday...
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We had senior members of the
social services wanting to get in
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the Haut de la Garenne.
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And we were saying, "Go away.
This is a crime scene now."
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Jersey's former Health Minister
says he has evidence of a cover-up
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of child abuse on the island
dating back decades.
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He's published a report which he
claims proves that the authorities
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failed to act decisively -
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an accusation denied
by Jersey's Chief Minister.
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00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,200
These cases were not prosecuted
when they should have been.
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They failed to act, and I believe
their motivation for failing to act
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was the cover-up.
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This is just one further, another
particularly appalling example
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of the systemic child protection
failure that we have seen in Jersey,
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00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,080
sadly, over the years.
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00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,720
Excuse me, excuse me...
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00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,400
Sir, can you come forward
to the microphones, please?
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When this debate between the
island's Chief Minister and his
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former Health Minister stopped,
the real conversation started.
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He'd had a longstanding agenda...
433
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,400
..of basically trying
to bring the government down.
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00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,160
This, he felt, gave him
a real opportunity to...
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00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,200
..attack the government - I don't
think it was aimed at me or any
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individual politician personally.
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00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,520
It was the whole system of Jersey's
democracy, Jersey's government
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00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,960
that he wanted to attack.
439
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,160
This is why the Jersey
establishment always hated me.
440
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,680
I mean, I'm a pleb.
441
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,720
You know, I'm a prole, you know...
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00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,640
Just came from Jersey's underclass,
basically, you know?
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00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,120
And, er, they...
444
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,760
Yeah, they just couldn't hate...
445
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,920
They just could never get their
head around the idea, you know,
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00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,680
that somebody without money
would actually, you know,
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00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,680
get into public life and
actually defy them.
448
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,240
My family has farmed
on Jersey for generations.
449
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Proud Jersey people, we'll have
been here since the 1200s,
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maybe even earlier.
451
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,440
There is a suggestion that William
the Conqueror left some of us here.
452
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My family goes back to
the 1300s on the island.
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I honestly knew of nothing
of the rumours regarding
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the ill treatment of children.
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00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440
It didn't get to me.
456
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,680
And Haut de la Garenne
isn't St Martin's.
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It's just two miles from here.
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PIPE ORGAN PLAYS
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There was a church service, and all
the great and the good were there,
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the Bailiff and the Chief Minister.
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00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,600
There was an absolute shock
and horror, and disgust -
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all the emotions - that this
could have happened.
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00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,600
We have come together in
the presence and love of God,
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at a time when our island is
experiencing the darkness
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of evil and fear.
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00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,480
There's a presumption that
anybody from Jersey is rich
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00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,920
and they're millionaires.
468
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,360
Well, that's not true, you know?
469
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,400
It's far from the truth.
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00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,240
There's a select few...
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00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,160
..who are millionaires.
472
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,320
But there's a big divide now,
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00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040
as I think there is across
any western world,
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of the haves and have-nots.
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00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,760
Or the haves and have-yachts,
as they call it over here, you know?
476
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,040
But, erm, you know, down here,
477
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,680
this is like - or was - a
kind of working-class estate.
478
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,640
There's a lot of poverty in Jersey.
It's in the hundreds,
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00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,160
the amount of people who
rely on food banks over here.
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00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480
Jersey's got this lovely,
glossy veneer,
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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080
where everything's wonderful.
482
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,600
But there's some people severely
struggling financially over here.
483
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920
The government here's
predominantly Conservative.
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00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
It's run by the rich for the rich.
485
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,240
So, some noises can be made in
our parliament by the socialists,
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00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120
but that's really all they can do.
487
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,320
They've got no power.
488
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,600
They can be heard,
but they haven't got a voice.
489
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,120
We thought, "Great, brilliant.
490
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,840
"We've got a politician
who's saying what we're saying,
491
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,880
"who's thinking what
we're thinking."
492
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,080
And we had so much faith
and confidence in Stuart.
493
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520
But we knew he was up...
he would be up against it.
494
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,920
And, you know, I know a lot
of survivors came forward
495
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,200
because of Stuart.
496
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360
It was Stuart who asked me
to get involved with the
497
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Jersey Care Leavers' Association.
498
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,760
He said, "You need to be
a voice out there."
499
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Care leavers are adults who lived
in children's homes...
500
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,160
..most, if not all of their lives.
501
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,320
So, therefore they lived in care.
502
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,680
The abuse had been
rattling around for years.
503
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,440
People had tried to report it.
504
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,880
And, you know, as individuals,
they were being shut down.
505
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,160
But as a collective group, this was
the perfect opportunity to escalate.
506
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,600
There were two camps,
in terms of how we should deal
507
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,680
with Operation Rectangle.
508
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Stuart Syvret was very keen that
everything should be made public.
509
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Then you have the Chief Minister...
510
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,320
..and many of the members of
the Council of Ministers who felt
511
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,920
that it was important to keep
the lid on this, really,
512
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,000
the reputation of Jersey should
be preserved at all costs,
513
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:25,080
and that any, er, negative publicity
would likely to have an impact on
514
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040
our economy - and that should
be avoided at all costs.
515
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,440
I was having my ear bent
by senior politicians.
516
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,520
Conversations I was having
was not about how can we deal
517
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,840
with this and bring these horrible
people to justice, and find out
518
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,280
who covered it up and why
it wasn't dealt with.
519
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,360
That wasn't the tone
of conversation.
520
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,800
The tone of conversation was,
521
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,240
"Look at all these horrible things
newspapers are saying about us.
522
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,280
"How can we put a stop
to all of this?"
523
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,520
Police searching a former children's
home in Jersey at the centre of
524
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280
abuse allegations have discovered
a trap door in a cellar
525
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,000
and released video footage
from inside the building.
526
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,400
More than 160 people have now
come forward to say they were
527
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,640
victims of abuse.
528
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,160
We have made a couple of finds
of some significance,
529
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,960
which tend to provide corroboration
for some of the allegations that
530
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,960
we have received about offences
that were committed in the cellar.
531
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,960
And I'm sure you'll understand
if I don't want to be specific,
532
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000
in respect of the items
that we have found.
533
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400
This is what's being
referred to as "Cellar One".
534
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240
And right below me is the
stone trough in which were found
535
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,440
minute traces of what police
think is human blood.
536
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,160
At the back of that room,
537
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,000
there is writing scrawled on
one of the wooden uprights.
538
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,360
"I've been bad for years and years."
539
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,080
There was a member of staff.
540
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,000
He would come into the dormitory,
541
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,520
er...pull me out of bed,
"O'Connell, come with me."
542
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,800
And drag me along by my hair
and frogmarch me off.
543
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Take me down into a cellar,
544
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,560
strip me and dunk me in the bath,
545
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,480
and sexually abuse me.
546
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,920
When he was satisfied himself,
547
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080
he would wander off and
leave you there, in the dark,
548
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,760
traumatised and terrified.
549
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,080
We're now getting a pretty clear
picture of an area described by
550
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,760
those who were abused
as a "deep, dark place".
551
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,600
It's a room beneath the floor
with unrendered walls.
552
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200
And in it, we've learned this
afternoon, is a shallow bath -
553
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,640
a bit like a sports bath.
554
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,280
Now, the forensic team,
they'll be back in there tomorrow.
555
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,080
A second area is also
being examined.
556
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,960
We had the most lurid headlines,
557
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,040
television, radio reports,
and whatever, erm,
558
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,800
which was just so difficult
for all of us in Jersey
559
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,840
to comprehend and to live with.
560
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,360
And my opinion of the
national media, which possibly
561
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,760
wasn't high before this,
just plummeted.
562
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120
They were not interested
in the truth at all.
563
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,640
There were moments
when I would be in meetings,
564
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,000
and documents, newspapers
would be thrust at me,
565
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840
slapped on the table in front of me,
566
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,200
and demands were made by some of
my colleagues to explain myself,
567
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,920
or to explain why I was allowing
Lenny Harper to do this
568
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,760
or do that, or do the other.
569
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,840
No matter what we said,
570
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,480
you could read newspaper headlines
which bore no resemblance
571
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,720
to what we said.
572
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:13,480
I was, erm, tackled on camera at
one point by a crew who said,
573
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,920
"We've heard that you're going
to dig up six locations."
574
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200
And I remember saying, and it's
probably recorded somewhere,
575
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,400
"We could find something,
or we could find nothing.
576
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,160
"But what you can be sure of,
as investigators,
577
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,480
"we've got a duty to look."
578
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,720
I saw the headline
the next day, and it said,
579
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,400
"Police search for six bodies."
580
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,640
So, I just gave in.
581
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,760
MARCHING BAND PLAYS
582
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,680
This year, we have learnt that,
even in peacetime,
583
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,000
once a media bandwagon
starts rolling,
584
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:03,960
it is difficult to distinguish what
is true from what is fictitious.
585
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:10,280
All child abuse, wherever
it happens, is scandalous.
586
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,920
But it is the unjustified
and remorseless denigration
587
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,320
of Jersey and her people
that is the real scandal.
588
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,120
Today, a support group
for those who grew up in care
589
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,720
issued a statement outside
Haut de la Garenne,
590
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,120
saying they were shocked
and disgusted at his comments.
591
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,400
The Bailiff should retract
his statement and acknowledge that
592
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,400
the most important scandal is
that the abuse took place
593
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,720
and remained unchallenged for years.
594
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,840
The island was the subject
of such continuous,
595
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,720
relentless negative publicity.
596
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,880
It seemed to me that the time
had come to say something
597
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,200
on Jersey's behalf.
598
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,520
CROWD SINGS
599
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,320
Philip Bailhache
hijacked this occasion.
600
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,160
It was sickening, what he did.
601
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Well, I was asking questions
of the mainstream media,
602
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,840
I was asking questions of
our government, our ministers,
603
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,480
our executive,
604
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,800
and being fobbed off and
palmed off, lied to.
605
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,360
So, it was out of desperation.
606
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,920
I had nowhere left to go.
607
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,200
So, I went and bought
myself a computer...
608
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,400
..and self-taught and
started blogging.
609
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,120
So, that's how it really
first started off.
610
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,120
It was just very amateur.
611
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,440
I'm not saying it's professional
now, but it was very amateur.
612
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,880
I was jacking up a lot of stuff,
emails mainly, to and from -
613
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,920
well, mainly to ministers and
the media, not so much from,
614
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,200
because they basically
weren't replying to me.
615
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640
It's called Voiceforchildren.
616
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,000
Because I wanted to be
a voice for children.
617
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,920
The abuse victims were not believed.
618
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,240
Something is wrong when there are
senior leaders in the island
619
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,160
who want to gloss over the events
and continue to promote
620
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,480
the positive image of the island.
621
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,560
We need to stop
and be prepared to listen.
622
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,480
We have to change our government.
623
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,240
That's the only way we're going
to get through this.
624
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,920
CHEERING
625
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,040
A nod and a wink has traditionally
been the Jersey way.
626
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,240
I think that's partly
why we're all here -
627
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,480
because we're fed up of certain
aspects of the Jersey way.
628
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,800
APPLAUSE
629
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Coming in from the outside,
it seemed to me that there were
630
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,440
a lot of people on the island that
didn't trust the people in charge.
631
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,160
It seemed like there were a small
group of people who were in control,
632
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,960
and anybody who rocked the boat,
anybody who caused problems,
633
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,680
wasn't welcome,
634
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,200
that if you weren't amongst the
cabal sort of running the island,
635
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,080
you were, erm, voiceless.
636
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,160
This wasn't a story that newspapers
had to sensationalise.
637
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,200
This was a...
638
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,920
..sensational story
in the true sense of the word.
639
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,120
The things that were being uncovered
640
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,920
and the allegations that were being
made were appalling and extreme
641
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,920
and needed to be investigated.
642
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,920
ANNOUNCER: Jimmy Savile!
643
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
644
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,320
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to Jim'll Fix It.
645
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,760
One of the things that came up time
and again when we spoke to people
646
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,520
on the island was that the TV
entertainer and DJ Jimmy Savile
647
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,480
had visited Haut de la Garenne.
648
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Now, this was obviously in the days
before he'd been unmasked
649
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,520
as a paedophile, but one thing that
was quite striking was the vehemence
650
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,280
with which Jimmy Savile denied ever
having gone to Haut de la Garenne.
651
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,960
And Jimmy Savile really revelling
in that Channel Islands sunshine.
652
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,160
I met Jimmy Savile.
653
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,000
He came several times to the home.
654
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,760
I told the police about
Jimmy Savile in 2007
655
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,000
and he denied ever going
to Haut de la Garenne.
656
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,440
So, I said, "My sister's in
a photograph with him."
657
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200
Newspapers have millions of readers
and those millions of readers
658
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,720
are eyes and ears
in stories like this.
659
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,240
There will be victims
that want to speak,
660
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,760
there will be relatives of those
victims who want their voices heard,
661
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,240
there will be people
that have heard information.
662
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,560
The phones at the Sun
never stopped ringing.
663
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680
REPORTER: Lenny Harper gave a stark
warning to those in Jersey
664
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,560
who had committed any such abuse.
665
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560
If you've been committing abuse
against children of the nature
666
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,760
that we're looking at,
the simple message is,
667
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,600
if they leave the island, then
we will find them in due course.
668
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,240
We would like to talk to you.
669
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,480
Do you admit that you abused a small
girl within your care, Mr Maguire?
670
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120
What do you have to say?
Do you have any remorse?
671
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,760
Bye.
672
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,480
What about your wife, Mr Maguire?
She was being cruel to children.
673
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280
She was making them drink
disinfectant.
674
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,520
REPORTER: In a separate development,
Jersey Police say they are now
675
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,960
poised to make three arrests
in connection with the alleged abuse
676
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,160
that went on at Haut de la Garenne
over a 40-year period,
677
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,160
two arrests likely to take place
here on the island of Jersey,
678
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,800
the third on the mainland in the UK.
679
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,640
A third man has been arrested
in connection with the inquiry
680
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,080
into allegations of child
sexual abuse in Jersey.
681
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,440
The 45-year-old has been
questioned all day.
682
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,920
This is the worst kind of
public-relations disaster
683
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,280
a place like Jersey could envisage,
684
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,920
and, for that reason,
as they say in Jersey,
685
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,000
they don't want to look
under that stone.
686
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960
But when something hits the
headlines saying this place
687
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,000
is a centre of child abuse,
that does enormous damage,
688
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,480
because no banks,
no big accounting firms,
689
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,480
none of their clients would want
to be associated with a place
690
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,280
which has a long history,
half a century of history,
691
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,480
of child abuse,
which has been largely ignored.
692
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,480
Haut de la Garenne
was a byword for brutality.
693
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,720
When I was a child growing up in the
1960s, parents would threaten kids,
694
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,360
"If you don't behave, you will go
to Haut de la Garenne."
695
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,160
We all knew what that meant.
It meant brutal treatment
696
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,760
and no-one will be there
to protect you at all.
697
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,720
In 2007,
698
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,640
I became Assistant Minister
for Health and Social Services.
699
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,040
One of my responsibilities
was the Children's Service.
700
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,880
And my timing could have been better
from a personal point of view.
701
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,400
The ground floor used to be
below ground here,
702
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,120
and that's why they think
they're now discovering
703
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,840
so many underground rooms.
704
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Across here, to the back
of the building,
705
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,120
is where the inspection tent is.
706
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240
Now, the rubble has been brought
here from the corridor
707
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:59,720
where the tiny, minute piece of
skull was found last Saturday.
708
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,920
Anthropologists in here are going
through that debris bit by bit.
709
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,800
We didn't have a lot of tools.
710
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,440
The UK press particularly
were damning of Jersey
711
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,440
and the cover-up and, erm...
712
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,240
..how we allowed it to happen.
713
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,800
And, erm, Jersey, you know,
was on its back foot.
714
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,160
I was busily trying to support
our local child services
715
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,920
to ensure that today's service
716
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,840
was not being unduly harmed.
717
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,440
I remember being contacted by
David Rose from the Daily Mail.
718
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,040
I do remember that.
719
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,480
I was interested in the angle
that he was promoting
720
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,320
and had some sympathy with it.
721
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,480
A friend of mine phoned me one day
and said, "You know this business
722
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,960
"in Jersey with these children
who've been murdered
723
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,240
"at this children's home? There's
a guy in Oxford called Tom Higham
724
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,720
"who you should talk to because he's
got some interesting information."
725
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,520
So I called Tom Higham
and it turned out he did indeed.
726
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,520
We were sent this sample
in March 2008.
727
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,200
It took probably 40 seconds to
realise what I had in my hands.
728
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,400
It was late one afternoon
and he said, "Come around now,"
729
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,960
so I did,
and I went round to his lab.
730
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,680
And he said, "Well, Lenny Harper
says this is a fragment
731
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,760
"of a child's skull.
It's no such thing.
732
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,560
"It's a piece of coconut shell."
733
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,240
And his face just fell.
He couldn't believe it.
734
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,120
The more tests they did on this
thing, the more certain it was
735
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,680
that it was not a relatively
recently killed
736
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,240
child's skull fragment,
but a relatively old,
737
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,720
ie well over 100 years,
piece of vegetable material.
738
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,760
And he said, "We've been trying to
tell the police in Jersey this
739
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,760
"for weeks and they
just won't listen.
740
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,240
"They keep coming out with
all this stuff in the media
741
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,160
"and we've had enough. It's time
the public learned the truth."
742
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,720
TELEPHONE RINGS
743
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,520
I had seen all these letters and
emails, so I got him to admit
744
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,440
that there were all these people
who'd been expressing reservations.
745
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,240
I got a phone call from Lenny
because he'd heard that
746
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,720
there had been a leak
of information from the lab.
747
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,280
And, of course, it was me
that was the leak.
748
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,680
So, erm, so I pretended that I
didn't know and I was shocked
749
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,640
and I basically...yeah.
750
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000
And then I did the story
that Sunday.
751
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Fairly early on, before
we got anything back,
752
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,240
we ruled it out of the investigation
753
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:13,480
because of the area
that it was found in,
754
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,360
the section that it was found in,
which probably predated
755
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,800
our boundaries for investigation,
but collagen was found on it.
756
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,480
It's only found in mammals.
757
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,520
Collagen is not found in coconut,
it's not found in bits of wood,
758
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,680
it's only found in mammals,
including humans.
759
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,560
As it was a piece of evidence,
760
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,000
they should have documented
every move, sealed it,
761
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,840
signed for it, anybody that touched
it or had any dealings with it
762
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,960
should have signed it.
This was not done.
763
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520
There was no audit trail
whatsoever kept of it.
764
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,760
It wasn't booked in,
wasn't booked out,
765
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,800
the packaging was opened,
it was...
766
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,000
There was no control over it
whatsoever.
767
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,800
What we didn't realise at that stage
was it would be later used
768
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,480
as a stick to beat us with.
769
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,520
I think the biggest turning point
was the revelation
770
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,000
in the Mail On Sunday by
a journalist called David Rose.
771
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,440
Now, that...
772
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,200
It both came as welcome news
because it meant that
773
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520
there wasn't a child death
associated with it.
774
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,600
That was very welcome news.
But also it was one heck of a shock.
775
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,520
From that moment...
776
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,240
..the trust in the then
leadership of the police,
777
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,960
both Mr Harper and the Chief
Officer, Graham Power,
778
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,320
the trust in them
came into serious question.
779
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,960
What I saw was a fast-developing
investigation
780
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,320
and a police officer who was not
afraid to follow every lead.
781
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,560
The world's eyes
were on Lenny Harper
782
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,680
and he had very difficult decisions
to make in real time.
783
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,320
Erm, now...
784
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,000
..it's easy to say he got them wrong
at times, but when you look at it,
785
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,520
you can see that he was trying
to disseminate the information
786
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,000
in a way that people felt
they could trust him.
787
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Victims were confident
that this time
788
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,440
stones weren't being left unturned.
789
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,000
I had already written
quite a few articles, erm,
790
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:08,480
questioning these kind of very heavy
moral panic type investigations,
791
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,840
especially in children's homes
and schools.
792
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,360
And when the Jersey story started,
793
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,880
I just was immediately very
sceptical, thinking, "Really?"
794
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:25,520
Rose had this history of being very,
very anti child abuse investigation.
795
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,520
If I'd known that before I did
my first interview with him,
796
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600
I wouldn't have let him
through the door.
797
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,640
I mean, I should tell you that
I am a Jimmy Savile sceptic, too,
798
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,560
and I've done quite a few stories.
799
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,320
I'm not saying that Jimmy Savile
never abused anybody
800
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,360
because I can't prove that negative.
801
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,480
What I do know is that some of those
who claim that they've been abused
802
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,280
by Jimmy Savile were lying
in order to claim compensation.
803
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,960
And, you know, I say that
without any hesitation.
804
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,040
They just made it up.
805
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,440
We've taken over 150 tonnes
of material
806
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,400
from the floor spaces in there,
807
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,480
which we're now storing, which has
all been itemised and labelled.
808
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,120
We've recovered 65
children's teeth.
809
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,960
I would ask you, in the light
of the criticism of the experts
810
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,000
that have been made in the last
few days, to look at that.
811
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,240
The criticism that I received
was that it was a disgrace
812
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:23,480
that Lenny Harper had held up
a jar with a Jersey coin in it
813
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,560
rather than an English coin.
814
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,480
This, again, was damaging
the reputation of the island.
815
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,120
Then I also got emails
from the Chief Minister
816
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,040
saying that he had been dealing
with telephone calls from people
817
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,720
to get rid of Lenny Harper, take
him off the television screens,
818
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,560
that he should be removed
even from being in charge
819
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,280
of Operation Rectangle.
820
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,800
He became the folk demon,
if you like,
821
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440
the folk devil, in the minds
of many people
822
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,960
who really wanted the whole issue
823
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,800
of the child abuse inquiry
to go away.
824
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960
We all felt, all of those
close to the inquiry,
825
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,200
felt in some ways vulnerable.
826
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,720
There was something going on
in the background
827
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,920
and I didn't know exactly
what it was.
828
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,480
I was advised that it would
probably be best
829
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,760
if I handed over the oversight
of Operation Rectangle
830
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,400
and I was asked to sign over
my powers
831
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160
to my assistant minister,
Andrew Lewis.
832
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,200
I just felt as if I was being
absolutely sidelined.
833
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,480
REPORTER: Desolate and deserted.
This was Haut de la Garenne today.
834
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,200
The police search here has ended.
835
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,200
After sifting through
150 tonnes of rubble,
836
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,400
the officer in charge had to accept
that they may never know
837
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,920
whether children here were murdered.
838
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,760
The vast bulk of the items,
the teeth and the bones,
839
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,720
have yet to be sent for carbon
dating and indeed for DNA.
840
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,760
Now, if the rest of the tests
are as inconclusive
841
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,840
as those that we've already had,
then it would be very difficult
842
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,560
and unlikely that a homicide
inquiry would be launched.
843
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,000
Police investigating a former care
home in Jersey say it's unlikely
844
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,440
a murder inquiry will take place,
even though they found the partial
845
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,480
remains of at least five children.
846
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,720
Experts have had difficulties dating
the teeth and bone fragments,
847
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,480
which are believed to have come from
children aged between four and 11.
848
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,040
The removal of Lenny Harper
had to happen.
849
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,840
I believe his investigation
was out of control.
850
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,480
REPORTER: The detective who's led
the inquiry retires next week,
851
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,760
his last case still unsolved,
852
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,680
but having changed the way islanders
look at their troubled past.
853
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,960
In many ways, their community is
no different from anywhere else.
854
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,680
What has happened doesn't make
Jersey unique or evil.
855
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,360
And the people of the island have
responded, I think, magnificently.
856
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,000
The teeth and pieces of bone
found here,
857
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,760
incinerated, broken
and buried in the cellar,
858
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,000
aren't just pieces
of disputed evidence,
859
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,760
they're pieces of children,
pieces of vulnerable lives
860
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,360
whose story will now
perhaps never be told.
861
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,840
Lenny left and David Warcup,
862
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680
his successor and my successor,
was appointed.
863
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Personally, I give my reassurance
that we will work
864
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,000
and use every endeavour and every
possible resource that we have
865
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,760
to bring this inquiry to a proper
and successful conclusion.
866
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Then we had the appointment
of Mick Gradwell,
867
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,320
who was going to be Senior
Investigating Officer.
868
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,480
I had had a difficult time
with colleagues.
869
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,200
I did feel very bullied
on occasions,
870
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,200
receiving emails from
the Chief Minister saying,
871
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,200
oh, you know, "There are calls
for your resignation."
872
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,720
I felt that I was potentially
being put in a position
873
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,840
of being removed in the same way
that Senator Syvret was removed,
874
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,920
so I resigned.
875
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,920
It wasn't going to have a happy
ending, I could see that.
876
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,480
The wolves were circling you, lad.
877
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,760
And, you know, as long as
Wendy Kinnard was there,
878
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,000
it was all right,
but when Wendy Kinnard fell,
879
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,840
I thought, "You're on your own now.
They're after you."
880
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,160
So, in a sense, things,
as they developed,
881
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,440
didn't come as a surprise.
882
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,240
REPORTER: The Chief of Police was
today suspended from his job.
883
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,720
This afternoon, it was revealed
the Chief Officer, Graham Power,
884
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,320
has been suspended
in relation to his role
885
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,760
in the historical abuse
investigation.
886
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,480
He strenuously denies
any wrongdoing.
887
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,240
REPORTER: Today, Mr Power's bosses
explained their decision.
888
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,120
I have invoked the disciplinary code
in respect of the Chief of Police
889
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,960
and an investigation
will be undertaken.
890
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,760
Before my resignation, my
assistant minister, Andrew Lewis,
891
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,160
had very much the same view
that I had,
892
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,080
that Graham Power was
an exceptionally good
893
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,840
Chief Police Officer.
894
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,400
So to hear that he had
actually suspended him,
895
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,640
erm, came as a huge surprise to me.
896
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,320
I had no doubt at all...
897
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,280
..that Graham Power had to go.
898
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,200
I had no doubt... Well, he had to
be suspended. Let me caveat that.
899
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,200
I would have liked him to have
come out of this with...
900
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,240
..great credit,
and he could have done
901
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:44,200
had he not let Lenny Harper
run riot with media briefings
902
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,920
and the way he conducted
the whole thing.
903
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,360
The forensic recoveries
do not indicate
904
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
that there have been murders
of children or other persons
905
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,480
at Haut de la Garenne, nor do we
believe that the evidence indicates
906
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,240
that bodies have been destroyed,
buried or hidden.
907
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,000
There are no reported
people missing.
908
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,440
There are no credible
allegations of murder.
909
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,000
There is no suspect for a murder.
910
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,600
And there is no specific
time period for murder.
911
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,320
170 pieces of bone,
which are mainly animal,
912
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,240
were found in the area of Haut de
la Garenne when it was searched.
913
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,000
Of all that amount of material,
914
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,720
there are three fragments
which are possibly human.
915
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,720
The biggest piece
is 25 millimetres long.
916
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,720
There are 65 teeth
found in the floorboards
917
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,840
and one elsewhere.
918
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,680
These teeth generally have the
appearance of being shed naturally.
919
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,720
The officer in the photograph is
about five foot ten inches tall
920
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,000
and you can see the height
of the void.
921
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,800
It's not a dungeon,
it's not a cellar.
922
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,240
How did we get here? I mean,
it was stated on the record
923
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,960
that the remains of five children
had been found at this home.
924
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,280
We told, as a media, the public
this was fact,
925
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,520
and now today we're saying,
because you've told us,
926
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,760
well, actually, no,
this was all rubbish.
927
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,480
That's a huge admission to make.
It is, and I very much regret.
928
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,480
I mean, I'm here representing
the States of Jersey Police,
929
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,480
I'm representing
all my colleagues here
930
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,600
and very, very much regret
that this has actually happened.
931
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,400
There were specialist
PR people brought in
932
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,200
to help protect Jersey's image
and, erm...
933
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,240
..I suspect that's a normal
thing that happens
934
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,840
after such terrible, terrible news
has been made public.
935
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,520
The media tried to sensationalise
what was going on
936
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,760
and then trashed
what they sensationalised.
937
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,000
And it wasn't just one day.
It spanned over a couple of weeks
938
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,000
and they were bringing out
more and more and more.
939
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,880
And it was almost as if
this was all premeditated.
940
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,120
I was angry for the care leavers
941
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,200
because they themselves,
this put them in disarray.
942
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,960
They thought, "Right, we're never
going to get justice."
943
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,320
Everything that we were working
towards seemed to be, erm...
944
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,080
..sabotaged.
945
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,680
Graham was suspended,
so he was effectively silenced,
946
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,640
and I was under attack.
947
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,320
I had no voice.
948
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,720
And that was where Neil
and Rico came in.
949
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,000
It was clear to anybody
that Graham Power was shafted
950
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,960
totally and royally by
the establishment of Jersey,
951
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,520
and he was shafted because
he had the audacity
952
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,440
to let Lenny Harper investigate
decades-long child abuse.
953
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,200
That's all it came down to.
954
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,520
Because if you remember,
back in the day,
955
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,280
before Operation Rectangle, the
editorials in our only newspaper
956
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,520
were praising Lenny Harper for
rooting out the corruption...
957
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,520
2007, they were the greatest
two cops going. Yeah.
958
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,440
And then a child abuse
inquiry came up
959
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,160
and next month they're the
two worst cops in the world,
960
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,720
and you think, "How the bloody
hell did that happen?"
961
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,120
And that's when you and I
both said, "You know what,
962
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,760
"if we're going to do this..." Yeah.
"..we're going to do this."
963
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,080
I've done 300-and-some-odd
videos altogether.
964
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,760
Erm, where is it? Wasn't it that
one? No, that was 14-minutes-odd.
965
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,880
No.
966
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,000
Now, the one thing we haven't got
is any voids here.
967
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,360
What difference does it make whether
you call them cellars or voids?
968
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,520
We went up there and we filmed them
and they were up to six foot tall.
969
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,960
Four foot six...
That's not the end of the...
970
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,360
Four foot six...
It goes higher than that.
971
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,240
Well, if you go up here,
where I'm standing now,
972
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,160
where this concrete here,
and I've no idea where this is...
973
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,240
That's the floor.
I don't even have to bend. Yeah.
974
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,680
I'm... And I'm about five eight,
five nine, five ten.
975
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,960
It doesn't really make a difference
because there's certainly enough
976
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,480
room down there for a child abuser
to commit his crimes regardless.
977
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,720
There's ample room here if anyone
wanted to do anything untoward
978
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,200
with the children and ample
room here, even if I bend down.
979
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,000
But of course, a piece
of child's skull was found
980
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,880
up at Haut de la Garenne.
This was in the local news.
981
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,320
But then, after a certain
amount of time,
982
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,520
they're reporting,
"Oh, it was coconut."
983
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,760
And the people of Jersey think,
984
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,920
"Oh, well, bloody hell,
that's OK, then."
985
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,840
That's why we talk about that.
986
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,800
But nobody's ever said, "How the
bloody hell did that happen?"
987
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,480
How does a piece of child's skull
turn into a piece of coconut?
988
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,800
It's a simple question,
but nobody's ever asked it.
989
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160
We have,
and we've blogged on it,
990
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,240
and we've put all the evidence up
from the anthropologists.
991
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,200
And then that's when we discovered
that it wasn't...
992
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,200
The evidence wasn't audited
when it left Jersey.
993
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,080
They came back a different size,
texture and colour.
994
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,800
Hang on, could it have been a
switch? Could it have been swapped?
995
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,080
You know, nobody's ever
asked that question.
996
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,040
I don't think you're going to get
the answer to every question,
997
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,480
but I think you've got to
ask those questions.
998
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,200
And the fact that a lot of them
don't get answered or get ignored
999
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,960
does give you the answer
that you were looking for anyway.
1000
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,920
We called an emergency meeting
in town.
1001
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,240
We invited Mick Gradwell along.
1002
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,720
We asked him what was going on
and he said,
1003
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,240
"Look, you just need to
drop your case.
1004
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,520
"None of you are going to
get what you want
1005
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,760
"so you might as well
drop your case now."
1006
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,160
We were so angry with his response.
1007
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,160
We were just stunned.
1008
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,360
So we had to ask him to leave.
1009
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,440
And it wasn't about
a piece of coconut.
1010
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,720
It was about human lives,
1011
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,960
children that were
systematically abused
1012
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,480
time after time after time
and ignored.
1013
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,520
I didn't want to go through
with it in the first place
1014
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,000
and then I managed to build up
the courage to actually speak out
1015
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,240
and come out about
what had happened.
1016
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,720
And, erm, there was
evidence there...
1017
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,720
..to prove that what had happened
did happen,
1018
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,000
and a lot of it was never
brought up in court.
1019
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,000
REPORTER: The allegations didn't
stop at Haut de la Garenne.
1020
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,160
At Blanche Pierre, the house
parents, Jane and Alan Maguire,
1021
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,480
subjected children to gross acts
of physical and psychological abuse.
1022
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,960
You've ruined the lives
of many children in Jersey.
1023
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,800
Do you have any remorse at all?
1024
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,520
I tried getting answers
to the questions I was asking
1025
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,760
of our politicians
and of the rest of them.
1026
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,840
They ignored me and ignored me.
1027
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,480
I then had to just go out
to doorstep them.
1028
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,520
Attorney General, could you just
tell the citizens of Jersey
1029
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,960
why you've decided not
to prosecute the BLEEP?
1030
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,520
Attorney General? Would you
like to tell the taxpayers
1031
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,440
of your wages why you will not
prosecute the BLEEP?
1032
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:10,160
I remain concerned for the victims
that...
1033
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,440
..were obviously upset
by their cases,
1034
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,600
11 or 12 cases, being dropped.
1035
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,240
On the other hand,
the Attorney General, I think,
1036
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,560
was concerned that he did not
want to take forward prosecutions
1037
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,320
that he wasn't sure
were going to win.
1038
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
REPORTER: The island's Attorney
General, William Bailhache,
1039
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,400
has revealed that there will be
no further action taken against
1040
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,760
a couple arrested in June
as part of the inquiry
1041
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,600
due to insufficient evidence.
1042
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,000
The justice system in Jersey
is alive and well
1043
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,480
and will perform its functions
fairly and objectively.
1044
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,960
My brother became the Attorney
General one remove after me,
1045
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,840
and for some people that was
evidence of corruption.
1046
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,760
Here was a community where two
brothers were in Crown Office
1047
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,720
and therefore that was
ipso facto corrupt.
1048
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,520
Erm, it wasn't.
1049
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,160
William Bailhache was the island's
Attorney General
1050
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,240
during Operation Rectangle.
1051
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Mr Bailhache said it was
understandable that victims
1052
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,760
may have been suspicious
of the authorities
1053
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,960
but the reasons for this mistrust
originated with the police
1054
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,400
and children's services
and not his office.
1055
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,200
Today, Gordon Claude Wateridge was
found guilty of sexually abusing
1056
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,960
girls in his care
in the early 1970s.
1057
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,520
He groped three girls
at Haut de la Garenne,
1058
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,880
touching their breasts
and inner thighs.
1059
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,640
Some pretty middle-of-the-road
sort of people,
1060
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000
but no-one of any sort of stature
1061
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,920
was ever taken to court
on this island.
1062
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,080
Colin Tilbrook, who became
known as "the pillow man",
1063
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,960
he abused multiple people.
1064
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,920
His stepdaughter came out and said
that she was abused by him.
1065
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,560
He's dead now.
1066
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,160
And there's so many others.
1067
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,720
Jimmy Savile, you know.
1068
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,320
Wilfred Krichefski.
He was a former senator.
1069
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,320
Then we had Jeff Le Marquand.
1070
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,640
This wasn't just one bad apple
or a couple of bad apples.
1071
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,400
It was prolific.
1072
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,440
CROWD CHANT: What do we want?
Justice!
1073
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,480
When do we want it? Now!
1074
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,520
INDISTINCT CHANTS CONTINUE
1075
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,560
WHISTLING DROWNS OUT BAND
1076
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,240
We want justice! We want justice!
1077
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,440
Boo!
1078
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440
We want justice! We want justice!
Boo!
1079
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,280
We want justice!
1080
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,720
I'm going to pass you on
to someone who does know
1081
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,440
how to speak to the public,
Senator Stuart Syvret.
1082
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,480
CHEERING
1083
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,200
What do we want? CROWD: Justice!
1084
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,280
When do we want it? CROWD: Now!
1085
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,640
Syvret was daily denouncing
the service we were providing.
1086
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,960
The pressure was incredible
and to have this constant criticism
1087
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,200
of the people providing
the service at that time...
1088
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,680
I said something I shouldn't have.
1089
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,760
Erm, but under massive provocation.
1090
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,440
If you read the blog posts
around the month preceding
1091
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,520
those comments of mine
1092
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,480
about the service Jersey
was providing today,
1093
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,480
and bear in mind that nobody
wanted to come and work in Jersey
1094
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,680
and we had people calling off ill
and we had children in our care
1095
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,760
and the court still asking...
1096
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,760
..taking children and putting them
in the care of the state,
1097
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,560
perhaps I should have
just punched the twat.
1098
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,360
It would have been better had I,
because he deserved it.
1099
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,440
I paid the price politically.
1100
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,480
I resigned...
1101
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,400
..a few months later
and I didn't seek re-election.
1102
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:22,080
WENDY KINNARD: My experience
of being in the States,
1103
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,200
being involved with getting
legislation passed,
1104
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,240
anything to do with
financial services,
1105
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,200
would go to the top of the list
in terms of getting resources.
1106
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,480
That was generally seen as a greater
priority than protecting victims.
1107
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:40,000
If you take something like
the sex offenders law,
1108
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,160
I began doing some work
on that in 2003.
1109
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,480
I saw 27 drafts that I turned round
1110
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:50,840
in order to try and get
this legislation.
1111
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:55,760
So it is unfortunate to say that
at the time of Operation Rectangle
1112
01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:00,440
that we had no significant pieces
of legislation in place
1113
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:02,480
in terms of child protection.
1114
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:07,200
It contrasted to the progress
of financial legislation
1115
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,160
because of our economy being based
on financial services.
1116
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,480
When I headed the Economic
Advisory Service,
1117
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:17,280
I talked to many companies
about locating in Jersey.
1118
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,960
One of the problems that I was
confronting was the way in which
1119
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,280
the government was captive
to the finance industry
1120
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,400
and the way in which the finance
industry was coming forward and
1121
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,760
saying, "We want this law, and, by
the way, we've written it for you."
1122
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,160
And it would go through parliament
on the nod because, by and large,
1123
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,480
the parliamentarians in Jersey,
you've got a very strange situation
1124
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:40,720
with Deputies and Connetables, most
of whom know nothing whatsoever
1125
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,840
about international
financial services.
1126
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,560
They weren't in a position
to challenge any of the laws.
1127
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,000
So the finance industry loved it
because they had a situation
1128
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,600
where you weren't going to get
a change of government,
1129
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,120
you'd always have the same
people at the top
1130
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,200
and those people were very amenable
to bringing forth bits
1131
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,160
of legislation which they
themselves commissioned.
1132
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:05,240
It's all about establishing
the right environment
1133
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,840
to persuade,
if that's the right word,
1134
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,520
to encourage the world's
leading banks
1135
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:15,760
and many, many other world, erm...
globally represented companies.
1136
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,480
It's about creating that environment
that makes them want to come
1137
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:22,760
to Jersey, makes them know
that if they come to Jersey,
1138
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,960
their reputation will not
be harmed in any way.
1139
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,280
These large transnational law firms
like Appleby Global
1140
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,800
and their clients,
like the Apple corporation,
1141
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,520
as we now know from
the Paradise Papers,
1142
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,160
actually wanted political stability
in a place like Jersey.
1143
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,480
The stakes are vast.
1144
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,200
One morning, I was walking
across the drive
1145
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:17,360
and immediately three unmarked
police cars screeched to a halt.
1146
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,840
There were two officers
in each of the three cars.
1147
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,160
Six of them leapt out and surrounded
me, one grabbed me by the wrist,
1148
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,000
said, "Stuart Syvret,
you are under arrest
1149
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,000
"for breaking
the data protection law."
1150
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,840
This was them brandishing a fist
and making an example of me
1151
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,240
as they had made an example
of Graham Power.
1152
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,000
This was to terrify everyone else
in the community
1153
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,680
and make them keep their mouth shut
and their heads down
1154
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,320
and not rock the boat.
1155
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,160
My God, if these people can do that
to a police chief
1156
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,760
and they can do that
to the senior senator,
1157
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,160
what chance have we got
against them?
1158
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,520
So, that's the Jersey prison
over there - La Moye Prison.
1159
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,480
Those long roofs, you can see
the barbed-wire fence.
1160
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:13,160
It was kind of interesting
lying there in prison
1161
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,480
and knowing that all these little
wonderful coves that I know so well
1162
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,000
from my rock climbing
and running are down here
1163
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,200
just, like, a matter of, like,
a couple of hundred yards away
1164
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,680
from where you're lying
in a prison cell.
1165
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:32,760
So they've jailed me in there
for two three-month periods so far.
1166
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,960
I fully expect to be jailed again.
1167
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,440
Hello, Stuart. Released again.
1168
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,960
What's the plan? You've just done
two months now.
1169
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,440
What's the plan now on your release?
1170
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,240
I think the role of the blogs
was incredibly significant.
1171
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,480
And I think certainly
the two blogs that I think
1172
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:21,160
were particularly significant
actually are Neil's,
1173
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,520
and that's Voiceforchildren,
1174
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,480
and also the Rico Sorda blog,
when it was running, was very good.
1175
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:31,400
And I think the impact they've had
1176
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,840
was such that without them,
1177
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,680
I don't believe we would have
actually got the care inquiry.
1178
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,560
It really was a roller-coaster to
have this inquiry up and running.
1179
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,520
It was a collective effort
of keeping it alive
1180
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,200
and that was the main thing,
because each time
1181
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,960
there was new government, it died,
and we had to reinvent it,
1182
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,720
to keep it alive,
to keep it in the media,
1183
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,600
to get to where we got eventually.
1184
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,040
At the beginning, it was just
Haut de la Garenne,
1185
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,720
but we had to change it
so that it included
1186
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,160
all children's care homes,
to include foster homes.
1187
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,960
We had four objectives.
1188
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,720
The first was an apology to all
those that suffered as children.
1189
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,200
The second was to gain a sense
of identity through records
1190
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,440
so that people knew exactly
where they came from,
1191
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,920
where they went to
for the redress scheme
1192
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,520
to give some form of compensation,
1193
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,160
and then the committee of inquiry
as to how all these things
1194
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,200
were ever allowed to happen.
1195
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,520
There's not many of us left.
1196
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,440
I think the world should know
what this tiny little island
1197
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:09,720
doesn't want the world to know.
1198
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,560
They just want to see it
as a rich man's island,
1199
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,920
a quiet place
to bring your children up.
1200
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,840
But behind the scenes,
1201
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,480
do they ever bother about children
that really need help?
1202
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,480
Peter Hannaford. Peter Hannaford.
He was in Haut de la Garenne.
1203
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:37,920
Terribly sexually abused.
1204
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,400
Erm...
1205
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,440
Nearly every night he was abused,
Peter.
1206
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,000
He was quite a heavy drinker
1207
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,680
but he was such a lovely person
as well.
1208
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,560
It's so sad.
1209
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:55,400
Peter was one of the first
to speak out about the abuse.
1210
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,960
Heidi was in Haut de la Garenne
with us, with her brothers.
1211
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,400
Many of the children
that were in the home
1212
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,920
either committed suicide
1213
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,400
or died of drugs or alcohol.
1214
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,240
Paul died of drugs. Overdose.
1215
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,440
He came from a middle-class
family, actually.
1216
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,880
They weren't short of money.
1217
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,400
He went to a private school.
1218
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,240
For some reason, he ended up
at Haut de la Garenne
1219
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:40,440
and then when he left
Haut de la Garenne...
1220
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:43,960
..he started taking drugs
1221
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,840
and, erm...that's what killed him,
unfortunately.
1222
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,360
You've got victims
and you've got survivors.
1223
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,000
The victims are those
that can't let go.
1224
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,080
They may have been abused
ten years ago, 50 years ago,
1225
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,200
but they're still victims
1226
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,000
and it's still today as far as
they're concerned, or yesterday,
1227
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,000
and it's a living nightmare
for them.
1228
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,720
They've got drink addiction,
they've got drug addiction,
1229
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,160
they can't work,
they've got emotional problems.
1230
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,400
And then you've got the survivors
who, like myself, you...
1231
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,720
You try and get on with your life,
you try not to let what happened
1232
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,960
to you as a child dictate
how you should live as an adult
1233
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,240
and you try and rise above it.
1234
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,960
I was too frightened
to tell anybody.
1235
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,840
I spoke about it with my brother.
1236
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,440
I know for a fact
that Michael experienced...
1237
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:46,480
..exactly the same as
what I went through.
1238
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,400
And I believe it just got
too much for him.
1239
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,400
And he ended up, he hung himself.
1240
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:57,760
And I firmly believe that
that was because of the abuse,
1241
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,480
the sexual abuse.
1242
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,440
He was only 14.
1243
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:06,200
So, to this day,
I firmly believe that.
1244
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,920
No other reason.
1245
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,680
He had just had enough.
1246
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,200
They're not going to get their day
in court but they are going to get
1247
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,840
their story heard,
and that was so important for me,
1248
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,960
that they had a right
to tell their story
1249
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,280
and they had a right for it
to be made public as well.
1250
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,400
I was listening to a lot of evidence
from victims and survivors
1251
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,040
given to the care inquiry
1252
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,480
and one particular person said
how he was raped
1253
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,760
as an eight-year-old child.
1254
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,760
His anus was bleeding for days.
He was embarrassed
1255
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,120
so he was keeping it packed
with toilet paper for days.
1256
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,240
In the end, it was bleeding
that bad,
1257
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,480
they had to take him
to the hospital.
1258
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:51,080
It's...
1259
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,440
Did I have a duty to try and
protect Jersey's reputation?
1260
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,480
Yes, of course I did.
1261
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:11,200
But my prime duty,
my prime motivation,
1262
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,720
my prime aim was always
1263
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,960
to get the truth out,
to protect the children
1264
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,600
and prosecute the criminals.
1265
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,240
We had nothing to hide and
we wanted everyone in Jersey
1266
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,800
and indeed further afield to know
that we had nothing to hide.
1267
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,760
We find that there can be no doubt
that a significant number
1268
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,720
of children in the care
of the States of Jersey
1269
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,400
suffered instances of physical
abuse, sexual abuse
1270
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,760
and emotional neglect.
1271
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,000
We find it deplorable
that the States of Jersey
1272
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,760
has failed to understand
its role as corporate parent.
1273
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,960
There were no external inspections
of children's homes
1274
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,640
or children's services
for approximately 20 years,
1275
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,440
no difficult questions asked.
1276
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:03,480
This is unacceptable.
1277
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:07,880
On the 9th of May 2008, Jersey's
Bailiff, Sir Philip Bailhache,
1278
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,000
made the Liberation Day speech.
1279
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,680
We cannot accept that a politician
and lawyer of his experience
1280
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,240
would inadvertently have made
what he told the inquiry was,
1281
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,520
I quote, "unfortunate juxtaposition
of words".
1282
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:25,200
We find that Senator Syvret
highlighted relevant issues
1283
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,200
about child abuse
that needed to be addressed
1284
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,520
to ensure the protection and safety
of children in Jersey.
1285
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,120
We record our disquiet
at the manner in which
1286
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,480
the suspension of Mr Power
was handled.
1287
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:39,760
Graham Power was suspended
with no notice in respect
1288
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,600
of alleged past failings,
when there was no suggestion
1289
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,800
that those past failings could
have an effect on his ability
1290
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,760
in future to carry out his duties.
1291
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,560
Throughout the length of
the operation, all policing
1292
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,960
and prosecution decisions were made
conscientiously and properly.
1293
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:01,240
We have concluded that there has
been no political appetite in Jersey
1294
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,160
for addressing social issues
concerning the welfare of children.
1295
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,000
Children may still be at risk
in Jersey
1296
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,520
and the children in the care system
are not always receiving
1297
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,560
the kind or quality of care
and support that they need.
1298
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,760
Well, the truth has come out, erm...
1299
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,960
..and that's important to me
1300
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,800
because we weren't believed before
and now we're believed.
1301
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,440
Too often children
were not believed.
1302
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,200
Unpalatable truths were swept
under the carpet
1303
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,920
because it was the easiest
thing to do.
1304
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,720
I am deeply sorry.
1305
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,960
We did not do what
we should have done.
1306
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,680
People cared more
for the status quo,
1307
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,920
for a quiet life,
1308
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,920
than for children.
1309
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,440
On a personal note, it's made me
a stronger person.
1310
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,000
Erm...
1311
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,920
It's no secret that I've attempted
suicide many times in my life...
1312
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,400
..but going through
the whole process,
1313
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,760
helping other care leavers,
lobbying,
1314
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,120
fighting for justice of some form
or another has helped me.
1315
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,160
Sound asleep.
1316
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,680
Hasn't got a care in the world.
1317
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,280
She's got long eyelashes.
1318
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,960
In my youth, I was scared
to have children.
1319
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,480
Erm, and I think
that's because of my...
1320
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:01,760
..the way I was brought up.
1321
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,960
I think a lot of girls...
1322
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,800
..didn't have children
because of the reason
1323
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,800
of what happened to them.
1324
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,320
Would they cope and would they
do what was done to them,
1325
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,000
you know?
1326
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,480
Hmm.
1327
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,160
Hey, sweetie pie.
1328
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,440
Hey. Oh!
1329
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,680
Oh!
1330
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,080
I don't believe we're at
an ending of this.
1331
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,320
This is a thing I think...
1332
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,880
Erm, this is all ongoing,
1333
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,480
because Jersey is still structured
exactly the same
1334
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:48,120
as it has been
all through these decades.
1335
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,200
When you look at the two camps,
1336
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,400
those who wanted to speak out,
their lives have been destroyed,
1337
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,600
they've lost their homes,
they've lost their relationships,
1338
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,440
their reputation, their career,
everything.
1339
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:09,160
And all those who were trying to
protect the reputation of Jersey
1340
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,920
are doing pretty well,
thank you very much.
1341
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,320
They've all been decorated
by the Queen.
1342
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,400
What about the people
who have risked their lives
1343
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,320
and the survivors themselves?
1344
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,920
Don't they deserve some kind
of recognition?
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