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Are we saying
that we think this was Hume?
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Worst case, maybe three months.
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Which is not enough.
Gatwick?
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They said you were
a person of interest in a murder.
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'If you could present yourself
at Bishop Street.'
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Help! Help!
Armed police!
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I'm not Joseph Bell.
I'm Joe's half-brother.
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I need a break.
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I'm sorry, my love.
Steve, are you in there?
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The first company that Hume
worked for was the same company
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that Ebele Falade walked into
with an air pistol.
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She was shouting,
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"I wanna speak to my dad,
Tony bloody Hume."
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Did the caller say
who the body was?
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A young man named Joseph Bell.
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'All We Do' by Oh Wonder
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โช All we do is hide away
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โช All we do is
All we do is hide away
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โช All we do is lie in wait
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โช All we do is
All we do is lie in wait
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โช I've been upside down
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โช I don't want to be
The right way round
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โช Can't find paradise
On the ground. โช
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And it is male?
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Looking at the brow ridge,
the mastoid process, I'd say yes.
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And young.
Anything else jumping out?
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Aside from the two bullet-shaped
holes in his skull? Apart from them.
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Not yet.
This level of decomposition,
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might that suggest how long
he's been here for, roughly?
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If you mean could it
have been around the same time
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as Precious Falade was killed,
then, yes, it's not inconsistent.
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OK. Thanks, Leanne.
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DNA sample as soon as soon as,
please.
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So, we need to speak
to the letting agency,
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get a list of everyone who's lived
here over the last ten years. Boss.
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And Anthony Hume...
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what have we not yet done
to place him
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at the scene of Precious's murder?
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If he was there.
He was there.
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All suggestions gratefully received.
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I'll message the team.
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Anthony Hume?
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Yes?
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So...
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Wojski takes 2K out of his savings
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on the 27th, in cash,
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puts them right back in
on the 28th.
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So, what did he do
to get his laptop back,
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without handing any money over?
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Exactly.
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We have nothing to say to you.
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So whichever tawdry rag
your working for,
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you're wasting your time.
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I'm his daughter.
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What kind of messed up power game
is this, Steve?
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It's no power game.
I just want to talk.
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So we do it on the phone.
You don't just turn up here.
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You left this house, remember?
I'm sorry.
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And FYI, any phone call's
going to be relatively brief,
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on account of the fact
you screwed my sister.
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Except I didn't.
What?
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I did kiss her, once.
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Which itself is unforgivable,
I know, but...
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..we never slept together.
It was more of an emotional thing.
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So, my sister is telling me a lie
that makes her look worse?
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Your sister has a lot of issues.
I think we know this.
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Look, Jess, I messed up, massively,
and I'm incredibly sorry for that.
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But I felt that you'd abandoned me,
and I wanted you to hurt like I did,
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which is why I said
I wanted to leave.
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But now I've calmed down a bit,
and...
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..I know I don't.
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I don't think I believe a word
you just said.
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Jess, please,
I swear it's the truth.
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Jess! Can we at least talk tonight?
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I found out on my 18th birthday
and contacted him when I was 23.
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I'm now 59.
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And what sort of a relationship
have you had with him in that time?
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In the multiple decades
he's lied to you, you mean?
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Yes.
Almost entirely financial.
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He's given you money?
Reparation.
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Yes. So can I ask what it is
you came here for?
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Well, obviously to see him.
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There were things
that I wanted to say
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before it became impossible.
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But I can see
that I am already too late,
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so maybe you can pass on a message.
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Can you tell him, please...
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..that I loathe him?
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That I have always loathed him.
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And I always will.
Right.
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But for all your loathing,
you still obviously took his money.
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And there we are.
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You screwed multiple generations
of my family over,
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and then think it's OK
because I got some money?
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I didn't screw any one over.
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Maybe not... as directly as him.
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But your privilege,
your comfort, your happiness,
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this house, in fact,
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were all built on the bones
of people like me.
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Weren't they?
I'd like you to leave now, please.
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You knew what he did, didn't you?
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You knew the policies
that he espoused for decades.
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You knew the millions of lives
that it ruined.
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Mine included.
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And you did nothing.
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You just looked the other way.
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So I didn't really come
to speak to you.
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But now I'm here...
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fuck you, too.
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I loathe the pair of you.
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So, what I really need is a list
of all of the ground-floor tenants
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from the past ten years.
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Now, I realise
that might take a while,
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so can you start by telling me
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who the tenant was
in July 2016, please?
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And that was from when to when?
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OK. A list of other tenants
would be very useful.
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You've been very helpful.
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Thank you very much.
Yes! Thank you, God.
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So, the tenant of the garden flat
from May 2015 to August 2016
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was Ebele Falade.
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'The body,
discovered buried in the garden
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'of a flat in Greenford,
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'is believed to be connected
to the recent discovery of remains
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'found in a house in Hammersmith.'
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'Police investigators
on the scene...'
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Local authorities
were dealing with huge cuts,
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and we were all basically
doing the jobs of two people.
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So you were perma exhausted.
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Multiple 12-hour days,
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and from dealing, day in, day out,
with people who had been...
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abandoned.
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People who were angry
and in constant crisis.
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People who blamed you.
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And over a sustained period,
that really began to take its toll.
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I was living on my own
at this point,
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and I'd started to feel
very isolated, very low.
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And I-I just started to fixate
on some...
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..on some really bad thoughts.
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About women and...
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taking certain sorts of photos...
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of them...
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..in public.
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And then in late 2015,
I was attacked on the street.
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And then in February 2016,
outside my synagogue.
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And it was about a week
after the second attack
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that I took my first photo.
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On the tube.
You think the two are connected?
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No.
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Well, maybe. I don't know.
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I'm certainly not trying
to offer it up as an excuse.
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I'm just saying, you grow up
being made to feel different.
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When we first moved to UK,
all through school
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then actually being physically
attacked for being different.
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And it can affect you.
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Make you do bad shit.
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And these photos, they...
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..made you feel, what, better or...?
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In the moment, maybe, but...
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..in the long term,
they made me feel much worse.
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But you carried on taking them,
Karol.
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Eventually even taking them at work.
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Yeah.
Why?
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Why do any of us do things
we know are wrong?
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Because that momentary relief
is better than nothing.
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I'd like, if I may, to take you back
to the 26th of June 2016.
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Er, which was the day
that you visited Precious Falade
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in a house in Hammersmith.
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And it was also the last time
you ever saw her,
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according to your statement
when we spoke in Paris. Yeah.
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And was this also the day that you
accidentally left your laptop there?
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You should assume
we know everything, Karol.
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Yeah.
And on that laptop,
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she found a number
of your upskirting photos
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and tried to blackmail you for them.
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Yeah.
For ยฃ2,000?
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Yeah.
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Showing the suspect exhibit KW01,
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a bank statement belonging to him.
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And if you have a look at the
highlighted entries there, Karol,
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you can see that you did in fact
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withdraw 2,000, in cash,
on the 27th.
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But then, just below that entry,
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you deposited the exact same amount
again in cash
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into the same account on the 28th.
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Which suggests to me
that you never paid her the money.
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I didn't.
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So, could you tell us, then, please,
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how you did manage
to get your laptop back?
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Can I, erm... drop these off
for a patient, please?
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What ward?
Erm...
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I dunno,
but her name's Sophie Coulson.
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She hit her head and...
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Just tell her I'm sorry, yeah?
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The first thing I noticed
as I walked up the drive way
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was that there was a car
parked up outside.
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OK, and this was the day after
you say you last saw her?
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Yeah.
So, you went in?
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Yeah.
And what happened then?
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Well, I couldn't see anyone,
so I called out her name.
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No-one answered,
so I walked straight ahead
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into the sitting room,
where we'd met the day before.
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The floor was wet.
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Like, all over.
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Like someone had just mopped it.
But no Precious.
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And then in the corner,
I saw my laptop on the table.
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This was my property, you know?
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So I walked over and took it
and then left.
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It was as I was heading
for the front door that I saw him.
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An old man
at the end of the corridor,
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with a mop and bucket.
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Did you speak to him?
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I called out, "Hello,"
and he turned, clearly surprised.
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I introduced myself and told him
that I'd come to see Precious.
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He quickly said that she was out
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and that he'd tell her
that I'd come over. Anything else?
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He'd asked if I'd been
into the main room to look for her.
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I said no and then left.
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Could you describe him?
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Late 60s, early 70s.
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Well-spoken.
OK.
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Erm... So, the day after this,
you resigned.
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And then three weeks later,
you left the country for good.
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I assumed that she'd have downloaded
the images elsewhere
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and would continue to extort me.
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I felt my life in England was over.
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Listen...
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..you'd be hard-pressed
to find a man who hated himself
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more than me for what I did do.
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All the women I abused
by taking those photos.
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I hope I've become a better person,
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but I'm also fully aware
that I may well be kidding myself
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that I only did it
because I was depressed or lonely.
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I mean, maybe I actually did it
because I'm a fucked-up human being.
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I genuinely don't know
the answer to that.
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But one thing I am sure of...
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I never saw Precious Falade
after the 26th,
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and I never hurt her.
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DNA tests confirm that Jay Royce
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is indeed the child
of Precious Falade and Eric Royce,
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and the body in the garden
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is the child of Precious Falade
and David Bell.
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Joseph Bell.
Mm-hm.
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Ebele never mentioned
she had a second grandchild.
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Do we think it's possible
she didn't know?
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I think it's perfectly possible.
The boy was invisible.
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Off the radar of social services,
the education system.
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The real question is,
what does he know?
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Indeed.
OK.
250
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,319
Murray, what have you got for us?
251
00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,479
Forensics have confirmed
that a bullet
252
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,959
found in the wall at Waterman Road
253
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was fired from the same gun
as the one that killed Precious.
254
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,959
Yeah. Not a surprise. Excellent.
255
00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,959
Anything else?
Yeah.
256
00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,959
You wanted to try and place Hume
at the murder scene on the 26th.
257
00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,959
I mean, my name was on the contract,
but he paid the actual rent,
258
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,959
so he absolutely knew
where the flat was.
259
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,960
He probably had keys.
Who did?
260
00:15:42,961 --> 00:15:44,959
And the day after it all happened,
261
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,479
he paid for me to go away
for a few days.
262
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,959
He sent me away to bloody Cornwall,
Dave! Calm down, Bele. Who did?
263
00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,959
My father! He put Joe there.
264
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,640
I thought you never knew
your father.
265
00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,959
Bele?
266
00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,960
Bele?!
267
00:15:57,961 --> 00:16:00,959
Did you kill your granddaughter,
Mr Hume?
268
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,959
I don't have a granddaughter.
I have three grandsons.
269
00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,959
I'm talking about Precious Falade.
270
00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,799
What evidence do you have
that Precious Falade
271
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is Mr Hume's granddaughter?
272
00:16:08,961 --> 00:16:11,959
We can do DNA checks in time,
but, for now,
273
00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,959
I think his daughter Ebele Falade
will confirm this.
274
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,959
And if he denies Ebele
is his daughter,
275
00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,959
well, then I'd simply ask
why he's been paying her money
276
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via standing order
for the past 30-something years.
277
00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,960
No, I didn't kill her.
278
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,799
Did you kill your great-grandson,
Joseph Bell?
279
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,960
No, of course not.
280
00:16:29,961 --> 00:16:31,959
Were you with either of them
the night they died?
281
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,639
No.
282
00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,959
Or at or near 64 Waterman Road,
on the 26th and 27th of June, 2016?
283
00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,959
No. And when was the last time
you saw either of them?
284
00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,960
I've never even met either of them.
285
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,959
I'm showing the suspect
exhibit TH01 -
286
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,959
a copy of a credit card statement
belonging to Mr Hume.
287
00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,960
Mr Hume, could you read out
the fifth credit down, please?
288
00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,959
It's a payment
to an Esso filling station for ยฃ60.
289
00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,959
26th of June, 2016.
290
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,813
Thank you. And the address
of the petrol station?
291
00:17:10,815 --> 00:17:12,699
Inverdale Road.
Postcode?
292
00:17:12,701 --> 00:17:14,646
W67CX
293
00:17:14,648 --> 00:17:17,313
Which is, in case you don't know,
Hammersmith,
294
00:17:17,315 --> 00:17:21,154
and Inverdale Road is the road
at the bottom of Waterman Road.
295
00:17:21,156 --> 00:17:25,155
And, er, do you see a time
for the payment there?
296
00:17:25,157 --> 00:17:26,807
19:23.
297
00:17:26,809 --> 00:17:30,959
So just before half seven,
on the night that Precious died,
298
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,959
we now have you
no more than 100 yards
299
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,960
from the house in which she died.
300
00:17:35,961 --> 00:17:38,960
Is there anything you'd like to add?
No comment.
301
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,959
So, erm, the day after this,
the 27th of June,
302
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,959
we also have a witness
who says they saw you
303
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,959
with a bucket and mop
304
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,959
near a room shown by forensics
to have been spattered with blood,
305
00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,959
which we have since identified
as Precious Falade's.
306
00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,959
What witness?
307
00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,799
Her social worker.
308
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,959
You refused consent
for a video ID earlier,
309
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,959
so we took a covert ID in custody,
310
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,959
and our witness identified you
very easily, Mr Hume.
311
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,160
What's your response to that?
312
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,960
Lord Hume,
I think the best course is to...
313
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,319
No comment.
Really?!
314
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,799
Because maybe there's a perfectly
innocent explanation as to why,
315
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,959
the day after a murder
was committed in that room,
316
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,959
you were seen in that house,
317
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,959
clearly having just mopped blood
off the floor.
318
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,959
And if there is,
then this is your chance now
319
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,960
to tell us your side of the story.
320
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:47,960
Or Corfu.
321
00:18:47,961 --> 00:18:50,959
Mike and Liz went there last year
and absolutely loved it.
322
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,959
Said it was the prettiest village.
Water's crystal clear.
323
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,959
They said they'd go back
in a heartbeat.
324
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,320
Hello. You all right, love?
325
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,960
There's something
I need to tell you about.
326
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,959
I'm gonna go and stay with Jordan
for a bit.
327
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,960
He's found a new squat
with hot water.
328
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,960
You need to sort your life out,
J, man.
329
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960
I only found out about Bele...
330
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,960
..when she was in her early 20s.
331
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,960
The result of a very...
332
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,160
..brief relationship
I'd had with her mother in 1963.
333
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,639
The mother died when Bele was young.
334
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,959
And so as soon as I found out
I had a daughter,
335
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,959
I obviously offered her
financial support,
336
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,959
which she accepted.
337
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,959
There was little further contact,
which was her choice.
338
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,959
I knew that she had
had a daughter herself in the...
339
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,799
in the mid-'80s,
340
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,319
but I had no contact with her
until late 2015
341
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,960
when she called me
out of the blue...
342
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,960
..and also wanted money.
343
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,960
Which, again, willingly,
I-I gave her.
344
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,960
A few weeks before she...
345
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,999
..she died...
346
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,999
I got a call from Bele telling me
that Precious was homeless.
347
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,799
Waterman Road was empty at that time
348
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,319
and, of course,
I wanted to help, so...
349
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,960
I met her...
350
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,960
..to give her some keys
and let her in, and...
351
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,960
The meeting was brief but cordial.
352
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,959
She'd obviously lost her way
in life,
353
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,960
and I felt very sorry for her.
354
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,960
The night she died...
355
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,639
..a man identifying himself
as Precious's son
356
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,640
called me from Waterman Road.
357
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,160
He, er...
358
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,959
He was threatening all sorts
of things, and again, wanted money.
359
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,960
I rang Bele, and...
360
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,960
..she said she'd drive there
immediately.
361
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,160
But, erm...
362
00:21:24,961 --> 00:21:28,960
Well, I-I also decided
to drive there myself.
363
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960
I got there first.
364
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,960
To find that Joseph,
Precious's son...
365
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,959
..was in a very bad way.
366
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,799
He seemed to be coming down
off something
367
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,960
and was clearly very disturbed,
368
00:21:45,961 --> 00:21:49,960
threatening violence to me
and his mother.
369
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,160
Unless I took him to a cash machine
and got out thousands of pounds.
370
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,160
And then...
371
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,320
..quite without warning, he...
372
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960
..he pulled out a gun.
373
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,480
Which he proceeded to point at me.
374
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,959
Precious was horrified,
and... and before I could stop her,
375
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,960
she lunged for it, and it...
376
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,960
It went off.
377
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,960
Hitting him in the head.
378
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,959
He fell.
379
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,640
I went to help him, and, er...
380
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,960
..as I was trying to get him
into the recovery position...
381
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,959
..there was another shot.
382
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,960
And I looked around, and Precious
had turned the gun on to herself.
383
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,640
Straight into her chest.
384
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,959
She died pretty instantly.
385
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,960
Joseph's heart stopped
within seconds.
386
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,960
I never even had a chance
to call for help.
387
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,959
And into this...
388
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,960
nightmare walked Bele.
389
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,959
I explained to her
what had happened. I'm...
390
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,639
I'm not sure
she entirely believed me,
391
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,960
even though it was true.
392
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,960
Obviously, we were both in pieces.
393
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,959
And that was how I...
394
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,960
..I ended up saying that I would...
395
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960
..dispose of Joseph's body.
396
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,959
And how I ended up leaving Bele
with her daughter.
397
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,959
So, you buried Joseph Bell
398
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,999
in the garden of
your daughter's flat in Greenford?
399
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,960
Yes.
And why there specifically?
400
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,960
I had keys.
401
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,959
It was private.
Not for deflection?
402
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,959
To incriminate her
if anything ever went wrong?
403
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,960
No.
404
00:24:09,961 --> 00:24:15,959
So, why did you anonymously call
the front desk of this station
405
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,960
last night
and tell us where his body was?
406
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,480
I panicked.
407
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,959
And did you know that Bele had
hidden Precious in the fireplace?
408
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,960
No.
409
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,959
She told me she'd buried her
in woods somewhere.
410
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,959
So this...
411
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,960
this is the truth now?
412
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,960
Yes.
413
00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:47,959
Because you've lied to us
repeatedly, Lord Hume.
414
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,960
Both times we've questioned you.
415
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,159
This is the truth.
416
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160
I swear.
417
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,960
We need Ebele Falade.
418
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,959
Come on.
Firstly, we need to clean our teeth.
419
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,959
We need to do our stories.
Time is running out.
420
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,959
Wait. Five, four, three...
421
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,999
His behaviour has been disgraceful,
which he realises.
422
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,959
He loves you, Jess.
423
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,319
And needs you.
424
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,960
And the kids need him.
425
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,960
I don't believe him, Mum.
426
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,959
No, I'm sure you don't,
and it's shite, but...
427
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,160
nothing's perfect.
428
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,959
Not even you.
Hm!
429
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Call you later.
OK.
430
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,959
So, my mum, Yetunde,
was a second-generation Nigerian.
431
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,479
Her parents came over here
after the war,
432
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,960
and she was born in 1946.
433
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,959
And in August 1963, age 17,
434
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,959
she got a job as a cleaner
in the city stockbroker's
435
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,159
where her parents already worked
in the canteen.
436
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,959
The son of one of the directors
was working there in the months
437
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,959
between Wallingham and Cambridge,
438
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,319
and one night,
after drinking with work friends,
439
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,959
he went back to the office late
to pick up some papers
440
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,959
and encountered my mum,
who was working nights.
441
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,160
And after pressuring her
to have a few drinks with him...
442
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,000
..raped her.
443
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,159
She went back home that night
and, of course, told her parents.
444
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Who blamed her.
445
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,959
And she did consider
going to the police, but, er...
446
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,639
in the end, didn't because...
447
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,959
he was the rich, white,
son of the boss.
448
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480
And... she wasn't.
449
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,959
A few weeks later,
she realised that she was pregnant
450
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,959
and wrote to the son,
who was now at university.
451
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,959
And... he didn't reply,
452
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,959
so she wrote to his father -
453
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Sir Henry Hume...
454
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,959
..who asked her
to come into his office
455
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,959
and told her that
if she pursued this any further,
456
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,960
he'd sack her and her parents.
457
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,959
Morgan Lavelle
had originally made their money
458
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,479
from the sugar trade,
459
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,960
so she really shouldn't
have been so surprised.
460
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:01,960
And on the 3rd of March, 1964,
I was born.
461
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,959
Three weeks later,
she wrote me a letter
462
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,799
which, erm, was meant to be
given to me on my 18th birthday.
463
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,960
And deposited it
with a local solicitor...
464
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,960
..and...
465
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960
..jumped in the Thames.
466
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,959
I was raised by my grandparents,
who...
467
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,959
saw me as a child of evil
468
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,960
and filled me with shame
and self-hatred.
469
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,959
And after I read that,
I realised why.
470
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,959
So if he told you
that he was decent about it
471
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,959
when I finally approached him,
then, again, he lied.
472
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,959
He was much more interested
in protecting his reputation
473
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,639
and made a number of threats
of violence against me.
474
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,799
I ignored them,
and I got his DNA from a glass
475
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,959
at a lecture that he did,
476
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,959
and had a test done
and told him that I would go to
477
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,959
the News Of The World
with the result.
478
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,959
That was 1988. Yeah.
479
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,960
After that, he was a pussy cat.
480
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,960
So nothing about him
is what it seems.
481
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,639
And whatever he told you
about that night,
482
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,959
whatever he told me,
won't be what actually happened.
483
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,960
So, why don't you tell us
what you witnessed there?
484
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,959
He called me and said that...
485
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,959
Joseph had called him,
threatening him.
486
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,959
Did Joseph know that
this was his great grandfather?
487
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,999
I had told Precious about Hume
a few months before.
488
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,639
I guess she had then told Joseph.
489
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,480
And why hadn't you told her
about him before then?
490
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,000
Because I knew that she would
mess up the financial arrangement.
491
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Which I needed.
492
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,960
So?
So, erm...
493
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,959
After my father called me,
we both headed to Waterman Road.
494
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,960
And when I arrived, I walked in...
495
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,959
..to a vision from hell.
496
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,959
My daughter was already dead,
and my grandson was dying.
497
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,959
And my father told me
that my daughter had shot her son...
498
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,959
accidentally, and then shot herself.
499
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,959
Did he tell you how that happened?
500
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,959
He said that Joseph had taken drugs,
501
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,959
and that there'd been
some sort of row about money,
502
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,959
and that he'd pointed a gun at Hume,
503
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,999
and that Precious
had tried to get it off him,
504
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,639
and it had gone off, hitting Joe.
505
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,959
And she'd then turned it on herself.
506
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,959
OK. And did you ever question
this version of events?
507
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,959
Oh... No, not in the moment, no.
508
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,959
You know, I was in shock, obviously.
509
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,959
And also, I'd only met Joseph
three or four times,
510
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,959
and I knew that he'd already been in
511
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,959
a young offenders institute
for assault using a gun.
512
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,959
And in that moment,
in the panic and horror,
513
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,959
being told that
by Lord Anthony Hume,
514
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,960
I'm embarrassed to say that I...
I... I believed him.
515
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Do you believe it now?
No. No.
516
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960
So, what do you think happened?
517
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,959
I don't know.
518
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,959
I just know that he is an evil,
lying bastard,
519
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,959
and he could have done
absolutely anything.
520
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,959
He... Maybe he shot them both.
521
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,959
I don't know.
522
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,800
And the disposal of the bodies?
523
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960
He told me that
if we called the police...
524
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,959
..they might not believe
it was an accident,
525
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,160
because of... MY criminal record.
526
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,959
He-He wanted to take them both...
527
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
..but I said
I wanted to look after Precious.
528
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,160
And I spent the...
529
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,959
..whole night with her,
just holding her,
530
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,960
and rocking her,
and singing to her.
531
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,960
Saying sorry to her.
532
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,999
And then...
533
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,959
And then it was morning.
534
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,160
And...
535
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,959
..I walked out to the car,
536
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,960
and there were workmen
in the street.
537
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960
I have regretted what I did.
538
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,319
Every single day since.
539
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Because it was a dreadful way
to treat my daughter.
540
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,000
But...
541
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,800
..that was me.
542
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,959
A few weeks later, I took
Precious's keys to get back in
543
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,960
and had some friend
put a plasterboard.
544
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,960
OK, erm...
545
00:35:19,961 --> 00:35:22,959
Just... Just one last question.
546
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Does the name Jay Royce
mean anything to you?
547
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Who's Jay Royce?
548
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Jay?
What d'you want?
549
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,959
Can we talk about that night,
please?
550
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,959
Why? Nothing ever changes.
551
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960
People like me don't win
against people like him.
552
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960
I'm so sorry that was yours
and Joseph's experience.
553
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,959
But we're here to tell you...
554
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,959
that if you trust us,
we will change that.
555
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,960
We will listen to you,
and we will act on what you tell us.
556
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,960
But if you stay silent,
then all I can say is, yeah...
557
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,640
..he probably will win again.
558
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,799
I was one floor up.
559
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,959
My mum didn't want me
to meet my nan or him, so...
560
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,160
I was playing on my Game Boy.
561
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,960
I saw Hume arrive in his car
out of a bedroom window.
562
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,320
So... he arrived first?
563
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,959
Good ten minutes before my nan.
564
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,959
I weren't interested
in meeting either of them,
565
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,960
so I was just waiting for them
to leave.
566
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960
Except then
I started to hear shouting.
567
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Joe mainly, but Mum as well.
568
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Both screaming at Hume, really.
569
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960
So I walked out onto the landing.
570
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,959
My brother was obviously
off his face,
571
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,959
pointing and jabbing at Hume.
572
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,959
Telling him he was a dirty bastard,
573
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,959
and that he should
fuck him up proper
574
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,159
for what he had done
to our family...
575
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,999
to our nan's mum.
576
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,959
And he's screaming
right in front of him,
577
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,320
and all this spit's
getting in Hume's face.
578
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,319
Then suddenly, Hume's got his hand
round Joe's neck,
579
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,640
and he slammed him
up against a wall.
580
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:03,959
Said he could have him disappeared
in an instant if he wanted.
581
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Cos he was that fucking powerful.
582
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960
And he's squeezing Joe's neck.
583
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,959
And squeezing and squeezing,
584
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,959
and I'm thinking
he's gonna choke him.
585
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,960
He's gonna kill him.
586
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,960
Which is when Joe pulls out this gun
from the back of his trousers.
587
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,959
And Hume goes very fucking quiet
very quick.
588
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,159
Starts to back away
with his hands up.
589
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,959
My mum's shitting herself
590
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,959
and telling Joe to put it down,
but he won't.
591
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,960
And he's still shouting back
at both of them.
592
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,959
And then my mum
just makes a grab for it,
593
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,959
and it all goes quiet
as she wrestles with him.
594
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,640
Then there's a bang.
595
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,160
And she goes down.
596
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,959
And Joe's in shock, man,
and not really taking it all in.
597
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,640
My mum's eyes are rolling up
into her fucking head.
598
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,160
And Hume's asking for the gun.
599
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960
Joe just gives it to him.
600
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,959
Meek as a lamb now.
601
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Then Joe kneels by Mum
to take her hand...
602
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960
..which is when Hume shoots him.
603
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,960
In the back of the head.
604
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,959
And there was obviously nothing
I could do.
605
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960
You know, I was 14.
606
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,639
I was also terrified he'd hear me
and he'd kill me.
607
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,959
So I sort of just...
608
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,640
I sort of just froze.
609
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,959
And then I heard my nan's car
arriving,
610
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,960
and she walked in
and just started wailing.
611
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,960
So I used the noise to go upstairs.
612
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,959
To the very top floor and hide
in a cupboard under the eaves.
613
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,960
I stayed there for two whole days.
614
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,959
When I finally came down...
615
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,959
the bodies had gone.
616
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,959
Hume had gone.
617
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,959
The blood had gone.
618
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,480
Some of my mum's things
were still there, like...
619
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,959
Like, her laptop was...
was in the drawer,
620
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,960
and, erm... a few of her clothes,
which I took.
621
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,160
And then I just ran.
622
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,320
We wonder how kids like him
turn out like they do.
623
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,960
Right, let's see what Hume
has to say now.
624
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,000
The lies that we tell ourselves.
625
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,960
That that wasn't rape.
626
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,959
That she liked me.
627
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,959
That I was a good man,
who'd led a good life,
628
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,959
who'd leave good behind.
629
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,959
Best part of my life...
630
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,160
I truly believed that.
631
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,479
Then in one instant...
632
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,960
one look...
633
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,799
..it all fell away.
634
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,960
I saw myself honestly.
635
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,959
I couldn't bear it.
636
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,160
To see who I really was.
637
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
The awful truth.
638
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,800
So I...
639
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,960
I snuffed it out.
640
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,960
So you shot Joseph Bell?
641
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Yes. I did.
642
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,959
And I have tried so hard
for the last six years
643
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,960
to make some amends.
644
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,960
But, of course, it was never
even close to being enough.
645
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,960
For that...
646
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,160
..for what I did...
647
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640
..I am so, so...
648
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
..so sorry.
649
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,639
I mean,
I wouldn't give up the day job,
650
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,960
but, er, there's definitely
something there.
651
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,959
You weren't trying to make amends,
Mr Hume.
652
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,959
You just saw the catastrophic effect
of your life's work
653
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,639
and realised that
that's how you'd be remembered.
654
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,640
You were just trying to improve
your Wiki page.
655
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,960
Yeah. We see you.
656
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,959
Well, consider this,
Lord Anthony Hume,
657
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,959
you will only ever be remembered
as a rapist
658
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,959
who murdered his own great-grandson.
659
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960
That's your fucking legacy, fella.
660
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,960
I hope they throw away the key.
661
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
We'll get someone
to take you to your cell.
662
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Are you Jay?
Yes.
663
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,160
Do you know who I am?
664
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,360
I think so.
665
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,960
I'm your nan, Jay.
666
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,160
I'm Bele.
667
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,960
Hello, Nan.
668
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,959
I am so sorry, little one.
669
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,959
I am so, so sorry.
670
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,959
I told them, Nan.
671
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,959
I told them he did it.
672
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960
I know, sweetheart.
673
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,960
They rang.
674
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960
So now we know the truth.
Except you don't.
675
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,960
Sorry?
I lied.
676
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,959
Mum killed Joe.
677
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,959
Accidentally,
trying to get the gun off him.
678
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,999
Then shot herself.
679
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,959
But it was all his fault,
what happened to our family.
680
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,479
'From him raping your mum
to everything that come after,
681
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,959
'it was all down to him.
682
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,959
'So I just thought,
"Fuck him," y'know?'
683
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,959
What's good for the goose, man,
innit?
684
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Just... fuck him.
685
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,959
There you are.
686
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Sorry about earlier.
687
00:45:37,961 --> 00:45:41,959
That was, er...
that was a bit unprofessional.
688
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,960
No apology needed.
689
00:45:42,961 --> 00:45:44,960
You took the words
right out of my mouth.
690
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,000
CPS call yet?
691
00:45:48,001 --> 00:45:50,959
Said we can charge him
with the murder and the rape.
692
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Nice!
693
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,959
Wasn't expecting both.
694
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,959
That's a 57-year-old crime,
DCI James.
695
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,639
A Bishop Street record.
696
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Well, for now.
697
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,960
And it's Jessie, please.
698
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,959
Jessie James.
699
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,479
So, you ever held up a stagecoach?
Held up a bar!
700
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,959
Well, now you're talking.
I'll get my horse.
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