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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,159 Precious died very soon after your last meeting. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:04,959 Is there anything that you can tell us 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,959 that would help us with that? 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:07,960 No, sorry. 5 00:00:07,961 --> 00:00:10,959 My sense is there's more to that than he's admitting. 6 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,959 He left because of some inappropriate photos 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:13,960 he took of a colleague. 8 00:00:13,961 --> 00:00:16,159 Do you wanna tell me why? 9 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,959 He said that you and he were finished. 10 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,959 Here we are, nine months on, with no hint of a wedding in sight. 11 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,959 Precious was a member of a cult - The Family Of Blessed Light. 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,959 See what you can find out about them. On it. 13 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,959 You got a lot to lose, man. Who are you really, Joseph? 14 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,959 I can't work like this. This is not who I am, or how I work. 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Let's reset. 16 00:00:36,961 --> 00:00:39,999 If I were to decide to bring things forward, 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,320 how much notice would you need? 18 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,960 'All We Do' by Oh Wonder 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,800 โ™ช All we do is hide away 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,639 โ™ช All we do is All we do is hide away 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,960 โ™ช All we do is lie in wait 22 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,959 โ™ช All we do is All we do is lie in wait 23 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:11,959 โ™ช I've been upside down 24 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:15,959 โ™ช I don't want to be The right way round 25 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,960 โ™ช Can't find paradise On the ground. โ™ช 26 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,959 Hi. This is Llagavelly Farm? 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,959 It is. How can I help you? 28 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,959 DS Murray Boulting. 29 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,959 Metropolitan Police. I'm looking for David Bell. 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,959 What is it you need to know? 31 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Maybe I can help? Is he here? 32 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,160 If you'd like to follow me. 33 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,959 You're not 21 any more, Tony Hume. 34 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,960 You need to slow down. 35 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,959 That was me slowing down. 36 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,479 A boozy break from work. 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:30,959 Well, exactly. 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,960 You shouldn't need a break from work because you shouldn't be working. 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,160 What are you even still trying to prove? 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,320 I don't know. 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,959 I just know the older I get, the more I see the mistakes. 42 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,959 The things I didn't achieve. 43 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,959 The wrongs I did. 44 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,959 Oh, what wrongs? 45 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,999 You haven't done any wrongs. 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,479 Not proper ones, anyway. 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,639 Well, I have, love. 48 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:00,959 Decades of them. 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,959 You did what you thought was the right thing at the time and... 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Not just politics. 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,960 There were other things I never... I don't want to hear, Tony. 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,959 We all have things we wish we'd done differently. 53 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,960 That's life. 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,960 We move on. We don't live in the past. 55 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,799 So, is this anything to do with Precious Falade? 56 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,959 The only trouble we ever had here was with Precious. 57 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,960 We're all sinners, right? But Precious... 58 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,959 What? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." 59 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,959 I'm not with you. Mammon, DS Boulting. 60 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,480 That's who she betrayed him for. 61 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,960 God of money. 62 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,960 Right. 63 00:03:57,961 --> 00:04:00,959 She was 15 when he got her pregnant. 64 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,960 He was 42, your dear leader. 65 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,960 He's right there. 66 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,959 He was here for a couple of nights, and then he left. 67 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,959 Have you tried his work? Yeah. They said he was off sick. 68 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,959 Oh. 69 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,959 He's in there, isn't he? Jess, he's not. 70 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,959 Steve, are you in there? Please... 71 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,959 If he's in there, Nick, I swear to f... 72 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,959 Jess... calm down. 73 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,960 I am calm. Totally calm. 74 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,959 Did he tell you he was fucking my sister? 75 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,959 Just in case you were thinking of standing up for him. 76 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,959 He was what? Just get him to call me. 77 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,960 You need to leave. 78 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,960 I thought I'd wait. 79 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,960 I thought I owed you that. 80 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,960 You owe me nothing. 81 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,959 So, what was it... 82 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,160 when you asked me to marry you that night? 83 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,000 A genuine proposal. 84 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,960 Really? 85 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,959 Completely. 86 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,960 Because, sitting here, right now... 87 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,959 ..it slightly feels like maybe it was just... 88 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,960 because you were so lost. 89 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,960 No. 90 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,800 No. At the time, it... 91 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,959 ..it felt utterly genuine. 92 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,960 "At the time". 93 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,800 And now? 94 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,000 I don't know what's going on, Sal. 95 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,319 I'm as thrown as you are. 96 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,960 About where we are. Where I am. 97 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,320 I feel... 98 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,160 ..so stuck. 99 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,959 And... lost. 100 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Yeah. 101 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,960 Now, certainly. 102 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,959 And almost the unkindest cut of all 103 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,960 is that's the most you've said to me about it in nine months. 104 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,960 Because I... I felt you were jealous. 105 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Right. Which, as I said, I completely get. 106 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,960 So... listen. 107 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,959 Let's not make any decisions right now. 108 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,959 But I do need to tell you how I'm feeling. 109 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,319 Of course. 110 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,959 And how I'm feeling is that, actually, with time, 111 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,959 I think we could probably ride this out. 112 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,959 Probably. Definitely. 113 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,960 Except, erm... 114 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,160 ..then I got pregnant. 115 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,959 And it made me realise how much I do actually want a baby. 116 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,960 And how much you don't. 117 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,960 And that's quite a big thing. 118 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,960 So I'm gonna go and stay with my mum. 119 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,960 We can keep talking, but... 120 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,960 ..I need a break, to have a bit of a think. 121 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,480 Of course. 122 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,959 I'm... so, so sorry, my love. 123 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,480 Yeah. Me too. 124 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,959 'Hi, this is Karol, leave a message.' 125 00:09:21,961 --> 00:09:24,959 Hi, Karol, this is DS Frances Lingley again. 126 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,959 Appreciate it if you could return my call. 127 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,959 My colleague DI Khan and I need to speak with you 128 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,959 following your earlier interview. Call me back ASAP, please. 129 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,959 Bailed? 'Last night.' 130 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,959 Had some posh lawyer on his case, apparently. 131 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,959 OK, er... and to his home address? 132 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,479 'Hang on. Let me check.' 133 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,959 Joseph Bell's apparently been bailed. 134 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,959 So I'm thinking if we go to his flat, 135 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,959 then we might need firearms support? Oh... 136 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,160 You wanna call the boss? Which one? 137 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,639 Yeah, no, better to be safe than sorry. 138 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,959 Yeah, I'll put a call in to TFC. 139 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,960 OK, thanks, Fran. 140 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Hey. Hey, Sunny. 141 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,959 How you doing? Er... 142 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,639 Dreadful. 143 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Ah. You? 144 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,159 My partner left last night, so, er, same. 145 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,960 Crap. I'm sorry. 146 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,959 Well, how about we distract ourselves with some work? 147 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,960 I like it. 148 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,959 Does anyone call you Jessie? 149 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,959 James, as in Jessie...? Yeah, no, no. No. 150 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,160 I get the reference. 151 00:10:44,161 --> 00:10:47,159 On account of everyone I have met making the exact same joke. 152 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,479 Oh, sorry. The thought just occurred to me. 153 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,959 Jesus! We're in worse bloody trouble than I thought. 154 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,959 Time to go. 155 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,319 Where we going again? 156 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,960 Just away from London for now. 157 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,959 Right. 158 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,959 And you don't need to worry about money, babe. 159 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,959 Money ain't gonna be a problem... 160 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,959 Armed police! 161 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,959 Armed police, face down on the floor, now! 162 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,959 Put your hands on your head. Hands behind your head! 163 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,959 Put your hands on your head. Stay there! 164 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,960 Bedroom clear! Kitchen clear! 165 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,959 That's my stuff, man, my personal stuff. 166 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,959 I never stole none of that, bro, so look after it, yeah, 167 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,160 or I'll fuck you up. 168 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,959 A sugar daddy? That was Niamh's description. 169 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,959 Any name? Just said he was an older man. 170 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,319 So are we saying that we think this was Hume? 171 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,959 That'd explain how Precious might have had a key to the house. 172 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,959 This relationship was supposed to have happened when? 173 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,479 She said Precious talked about him the very last time 174 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,959 she was up at the farm. 175 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,959 Niamh always assumed that's why she never came back. 176 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,960 And we definitively know 177 00:12:10,961 --> 00:12:13,159 that David Bell did die three months before the murder? 178 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,959 Yeah, I checked with Bangor General on the way back. 179 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,959 He died on April the 12th, 2016, of lung cancer. 180 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,959 Lots to think about there. Er, Kaz? 181 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,959 So, Joseph Bell's been arrested at his flat, 182 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,999 having been bailed two nights ago with a 10K surety. 183 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,479 Where's he get that kind of money? His own sugar daddy. 184 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,959 And possible motives for HIM killing her? 185 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,959 A row that escalated and could have been precipitated 186 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,960 by multiple things. 187 00:12:36,961 --> 00:12:39,959 Drugs, money, her being on the game, her not being on the game. 188 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,479 Also, when you look at the Zoom interviews I did, 189 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,959 then simple old-fashioned revenge 190 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,159 starts to look like a fairly good motive. 191 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,959 Be good to be able to place him at the house at some point. 192 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,959 It's funny you should say that, because I've been doing 193 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,959 a bit of record-checking of Precious's bank statements. 194 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,959 And started with the assumption it was unlikely she had no phone, 195 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,799 and was linking debit card payments... 196 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,639 ..to possible phone shops, 197 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,799 newsagents, corner shops, etc, and, bingo! 198 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,959 This here. Sorry. 199 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,479 Ebele Falade's here, Guv. 200 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,799 OK, thank you. Go on. 201 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,959 Yeah, so this is a ยฃ30 card payment 202 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,960 made to a small phone shop in Acton. 203 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,959 Where did you get it? Doesn't matter. 204 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,959 It matters to me. Same as you telling me 205 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,959 what the police wanted to speak to you about matters. 206 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:31,960 I've already told you. 207 00:13:31,961 --> 00:13:33,959 It was an old client of mine who sadly died, 208 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,959 and they just wanted some background on her. 209 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,959 They couldn't do it in a phone call? Apparently not. 210 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,319 It's not my problem. Can we move on, please? 211 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,959 Serge spoke to one of the French officers this morning. 212 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,959 Explained the situation with the children, 213 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,959 that you live with us, 214 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,960 that you are effectively their stepfather. 215 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,960 And they said you were a person of interest in a murder. 216 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,959 Which might have a sexual element. 217 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,959 It's not true, Elise. You must know that not be true. 218 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,320 Look at me. 219 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Look at me. 220 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,160 You need to leave. 221 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,959 Please... 222 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,960 Now, please. 223 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,960 OK, thank you. Bye, now. 224 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,799 Boss, have you got a minute? 225 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,959 I just spoke to social services again. 226 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,959 Er, yeah, one sec. 227 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Guv? Yeah? 228 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,959 Erm, so I just spoke to HR at West London Social Services, 229 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,999 and they've confirmed Karol Wojski vehemently denied the allegation, 230 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,959 but then also refused to hand his phone over. 231 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,959 So, he was sacked or resigned? 232 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,959 It was agreed he could just resign on mental health grounds, 233 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,959 with no complaint on his record. 234 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,960 And when he left, 235 00:15:22,961 --> 00:15:25,959 another employee came forward with a similar allegation. 236 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,479 So, what are we thinking? 237 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,959 Maybe there was some sort of sexual misdemeanour with Precious 238 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,959 that escalated? OK. 239 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,959 Make an application for all his work email correspondence for 2016, 240 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,959 with particular reference, obviously, to Precious. 241 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,959 Guv. 242 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,960 You all right? Yes. 243 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,959 So, my guess is she'll probably go "no comment". 244 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,959 So as discussed, the trick'll be to goad her in to talking. Yep. 245 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,959 In terms of motive, we have a row that got out of hand 246 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,959 about money, or sex work, or Precious stealing from her. 247 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,959 Or a row that got out of hand about how terrible a mother Abele was. 248 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,959 Or what a terrible daughter Precious was. 249 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Spoilt for choice. Mm. 250 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,159 So, when we spoke on Tuesday, you said the last time 251 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,959 that you saw your daughter was on her birthday, 252 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,959 on the 15th of January, is that correct? 253 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,959 Yes. Now showing Ms Falade exhibit EF001. 254 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,999 Can you confirm that this mobile number 255 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,959 was once registered to you? 256 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,959 No idea. OK. 257 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,959 Showing exhibit EF002. 258 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,959 So, this was the address attached to the debit card 259 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:35,960 that purchased that contract. 260 00:16:35,961 --> 00:16:38,159 Do you recognise that? Yes. 261 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,959 Was that your home address between March 2014 and May 2015? 262 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Yes. 263 00:16:43,961 --> 00:16:46,959 So it would be reasonable to assume that this was your number, right? 264 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,959 No comment. OK. 265 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,959 Here is exhibit EF003. 266 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,159 Do you recognise that number? 267 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,959 No. 268 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,319 OK, so that number was attached to a pay-as-you-go SIM which we - 269 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,959 through various bank and telecom records - 270 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,960 have identified as having been bought by your daughter. 271 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,959 Here's the thing, Bele. 272 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,959 On the 26th of June, 2016, the night we think she died, 273 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,639 the number we believe was yours 274 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,959 called the number we believe was your daughter's. 275 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,640 Do you have any comment on that? 276 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,959 No. D'you remember the call? 277 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,960 From six years ago? 278 00:17:26,961 --> 00:17:28,960 The day your daughter died. 279 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,959 No. Well, the call happened at 18:27. 280 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,799 It lasted three minutes and 12 seconds. 281 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,159 No recollection at all? No. 282 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,959 At 18:24, just before you called your daughter, 283 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,959 you also received a call from an as yet unidentified number. 284 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,959 Do you recall that? No. 285 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,959 OK, er, any recollection, just 12 days before this, 286 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,479 of having a row with her outside the house where she died? 287 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,959 What row? 288 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,639 A neighbour called the police, it was so loud, 289 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,959 and detailed hearing the younger of the two women 290 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,959 calling her assailant "Mum". 291 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,799 Her assailant?! I never fucking touched her. 292 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,960 So you were there, but you never touched her? 293 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,959 No... No comment. 294 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,959 Fine. Moving on. 295 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,959 Can I ask you why you never mentioned 296 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,959 that Precious had foetal alcohol spectrum disorder? 297 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Because she didn't. 298 00:18:26,961 --> 00:18:29,959 All her medical and social service records say that she did. 299 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:30,960 Because she told them that she did. 300 00:18:30,961 --> 00:18:33,319 Because she was small and struggled at school 301 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,959 so wanted someone to blame. 302 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:35,960 Did you drink while pregnant? 303 00:18:35,961 --> 00:18:38,959 No. I mean, we know that you have a history of alcohol issues. 304 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 You told us yourself. Not when I was pregnant. 305 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,320 You see... 306 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,959 ..I think you're denying the FASD 307 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,999 because it had been a source of huge conflict 308 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,960 between Precious and you, hadn't it? 309 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,959 No comment. Which you wanted to keep from us, 310 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,959 that you rowed - often violently - 311 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,959 many, many times about this very subject. 312 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:04,960 No comment. 313 00:19:04,961 --> 00:19:07,959 Did you have another row with her the night of June 26th? No. 314 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,959 Maybe it got out of hand. She was a volatile woman. 315 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,960 I wasn't even with her. 316 00:19:10,961 --> 00:19:13,641 Maybe you didn't mean to hurt her. Maybe it was an accident. Look... 317 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,959 I did... 318 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,960 the best I could for her. 319 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,959 And I'm sorry if that wasn't good enough. 320 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,480 And... if I wasn't good enough. 321 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,479 But I'm confused as to why 322 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,959 she devoted so much of her life to hating me. 323 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,959 Because, really, what a waste. 324 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,959 And I didn't have an ideal childhood, 325 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,319 but you move on, don't you? 326 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:54,960 So like I say, I am genuinely sorry if I failed her. 327 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:01,959 But I can tell you honestly that I never hit her. 328 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,959 I never hurt her. 329 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,960 And I certainly never killed her. 330 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,960 It happens. 331 00:20:22,961 --> 00:20:24,480 There you go. Oh, thank you. 332 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,320 What, people shift their views as they get older? 333 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,959 I mean, generally, it tends to go the other way, 334 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,000 from left to right. 335 00:20:33,001 --> 00:20:36,959 And it's rarely as complete as Hume's, but it does happen. 336 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,959 So, he was pretty conservative originally? 337 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,959 He was a classic Thatcherite 338 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,479 who'd lecture anyone that would listen. 339 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,959 You didn't spend what you didn't have. 340 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,959 Basically a version of her "housewife fallacy". 341 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,999 That you run a country like a home, don't accumulate debt. 342 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,959 And then? And then, sometime late 2016, 343 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,639 just six years after he more or less invented austerity for Osborne, 344 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,959 he declares the opposite. That, actually, an economy 345 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,959 is profoundly different from a household, 346 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,959 and we should be borrowing and spending hugely 347 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,960 on public services. 348 00:21:07,961 --> 00:21:11,959 So, does anyone have any idea what brought this shift around? 349 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,960 Not really. 350 00:21:12,961 --> 00:21:16,959 I mean, some people thought it was his cancer diagnosis in 2014. 351 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,159 OK. Except he was still a vociferous campaigner for budget cuts 352 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,799 all through his treatment, so I didn't really buy that. 353 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,959 Huh! Some people thought it was Brexit, 354 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,000 because he was a Remainer. 355 00:21:27,001 --> 00:21:29,999 There was an argument that austerity had a part to play in them losing, 356 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,799 but anyone with half a brain knew that austerity 357 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,959 was just one small part of that, so... 358 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,160 So? 359 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,960 I think it was a woman. 360 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,800 Deleted? Sorry. 361 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,959 Is that standard here? Not at all. 362 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,959 This was all deleted by him, by Karol Wojski. 363 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,959 So when you say deleted...? Well, exactly. 364 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,959 It depends how tech savvy he was, because not much is gone forever. 365 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,959 But how much time and money do you have? 366 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,960 I'll call my boss. 367 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,959 I don't know what you did or what you didn't do, 368 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,160 but for what it's worth... 369 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,959 ..I've always thought of you as a good guy. 370 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,160 I love you, man. 371 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,319 And he said that he saw him with her in the spring of 2016 372 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,959 on the pavement outside Portcullis House, 373 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960 as Hussein was returning from a run. 374 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,959 How did he know it wasn't a colleague, or just a friend or...? 375 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,159 Yeah, he said he saw that they were rowing, 376 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,959 and that there was just something in the way that they were together 377 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,959 that to him, at least, suggested it was an intimate relationship. 378 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,999 Did you show him a photo of Precious? 379 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,959 Yeah. He couldn't say one way or another on the face, 380 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,959 but he did remember very specifically 381 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,159 that the woman with Hume was petite 382 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,960 and that she was probably mixed-race or Mediterranean-looking. 383 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,959 OK. Erm... 384 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,159 And then just one last thing. 385 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,959 As I was researching his early years, 386 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,959 Wallingham, Cambridge, the City, etc, 387 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,959 I came across a rather interesting detail. 388 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,960 Look at the second paragraph down, under "Early Life". 389 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,959 So, the first company that Hume worked for, 390 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,959 between 1968 and 1973, 391 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,799 was Morgan Lavelle. 392 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,959 The same company that Ebele Falade walked into 393 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,960 with an air pistol nine years later. 394 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Oh, man. 395 00:23:56,961 --> 00:23:58,959 Where are we with finding our doorman? 396 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,639 Er, I've been mainly prioritising this. 397 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,959 Well, we need to speak to the doorman ASAP, 398 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,320 because that, Kaz, that is fucking gold. 399 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,959 'You have one new message.' 400 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,960 'Hi there, this is DS Lingley. 401 00:24:10,961 --> 00:24:13,959 'Thanks for your message, and great you're back in the UK. 402 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,959 'If you could present yourself at Bishop Street Police Station, 403 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,479 'NW1, ASAP, please ask for me. 404 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,960 'That would be really helpful. Thank you.' 405 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,959 So, the owner of the firearm we think is our murder weapon... 406 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,960 Elton King? 'Yeah.' 407 00:24:28,961 --> 00:24:31,959 We found him. He's happy to talk to us. 408 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,159 OK, nice one. Can you set something up tomorrow? 409 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,159 'On it now. Night, boss.' 410 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Night. 411 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,959 And so what we propose three months out from launch 412 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,959 is that I step away from the Bath position. 413 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,960 My commis chef is more than ready to take the reins... Sorry. 414 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:04,959 You were right. It's... all just... noise. 415 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,960 I'm... I'm so... 416 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,959 ..sorry to have wasted your time. 417 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,160 I... 418 00:25:11,161 --> 00:25:14,799 It was a mistake. It was my mistake. 419 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,000 I am so sorry. 420 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,000 I'm really sorry. I'll... 421 00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:22,960 I'll be right back. 422 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,960 Bele. 423 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,959 Now, we don't remotely expect you to tell us where the gun is, Mr King. 424 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,799 All we want to know is if there is a possibility 425 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,959 that Joseph Bell could have had access to it 426 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,639 after you were arrested. 427 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,959 I 100% know he had access to it. 428 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,640 OK. How? 429 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,320 Cos it was him that used it in the robbery, not me. 430 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,000 He was the one with you? 431 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,799 And when I got pulled, I was happy to take the flak for it, 432 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,479 on the assumption he'd look after me inside. 433 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,959 Send me shit, look after my lady. 434 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,799 Except I never heard from him again. So, yeah... 435 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,959 he had access to the gun, cos I gave it to him. 436 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,959 And you'd be prepared to make a statement to that effect? 437 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,160 Too fucking right I would. 438 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,999 So, we know the payments came from a Coombe & Co account. 439 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,959 We just need to know now who, or what, DSH is. 440 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,959 Except, unfortunately, 441 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,799 I'm not at liberty to disclose that information. 442 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,959 Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake. Yes, you are. 443 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,959 My colleague DS Boulting sent through a disclosure form. 444 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,959 It's the bank's rules, I'm afraid. 445 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,959 We can return with a warrant 446 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,159 and spend a few days turning the whole place over. 447 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,959 It's your call. 448 00:26:47,001 --> 00:26:48,960 I'll need to speak to my boss. 449 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,960 I'll wait. 450 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,959 When I was 17 and just pregnant with Precious... 451 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,959 I came home from school one day 452 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:09,959 to find that my grandmother had invited Pastor Muyulu to our house 453 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,159 to perform an exorcism on me. 454 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,960 I refused to cooperate and fought them both off. 455 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,959 But then when I came back a few days later... 456 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,999 to get my stuff before I left for good, 457 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,959 I found my grandfather there on his own. 458 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,959 He was a strong man still, only in his early 50s, 459 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,959 and he told me that if we got rid of it before I started to show, 460 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,959 then I wouldn't shame them and the community, 461 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,959 like my mum had. 462 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,960 He tied me up and forced a funnel into my mouth... 463 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,960 ..and poured half a litre of vodka down me. 464 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,959 Apart from giving me a taste for the stuff, 465 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,959 whatever he did over the next couple of hours 466 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,960 obviously didn't work, because... 467 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000 ..Precious survived. 468 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,959 That, and the way that they raised me, 469 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,959 damaged me for life. 470 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,160 And in here. 471 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,960 The constant sense of shame and guilt... 472 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160 ..about my mum messed me up. 473 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,960 So the first time I got sober, in my early 30s... 474 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,959 ..I tried to get help. 475 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,959 And for a few years, I was lucky. 476 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,639 You know, the referrals would sometimes get me 477 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,960 an hour of therapy once a week, for a couple of months. 478 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,959 But then even that dwindled to waiting lists 479 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,960 and apologies from overworked GPs. 480 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,799 So, you... 481 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,319 you find your own therapy, don't you? 482 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960 The drink sometimes. 483 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,959 Or love. 484 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,960 The best, I think. 485 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,960 But the... the damage is still in there. 486 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,959 So, how about I tell you where we are, what we know. 487 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,959 Showing the suspect exhibit JR1, 488 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,959 a copy of a triangulation document supplied by KZK Mobile. 489 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,959 So, this document details that on the 26th of June, 2016, at 18:49, 490 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,959 a phone that we believe belonged to you 491 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,959 called a phone registered to your grandmother, Ebele Falade. 492 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,799 That call was connected via a phone mast 493 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,960 just 200 yards from 64 Waterman Road. 494 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,479 So basically, what we're saying is, 495 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,959 that on the night that your mother died, 496 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,960 we can place you in or near the house in which her body was found. 497 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,240 D'you have any response to that? 498 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,959 No comment. Did you make that call? 499 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,960 No comment. Were you there, J? 500 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,160 No comment. 501 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,960 Do you remember Elton King, Joseph? 502 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,959 No comment. He remembers you. 503 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,959 Not that fondly, I'm sorry to say. 504 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,959 No comment. 505 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,479 That wasn't actually a question, but thanks for the response. 506 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,959 Did you look after a gun for Mr King, Joseph? 507 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,319 No comment. Did you keep it 508 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,959 while he went to prison for a robbery 509 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,959 that you were also involved in? No comment. 510 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,959 Did you have it with you when you went to see your mother 511 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,479 on the night of 26th June, 2016? No comment. 512 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,959 Did you get into a row with her, Joseph? 513 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,960 No comment. 514 00:31:21,961 --> 00:31:24,959 Because we know things were difficult between you. 515 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,959 We spoke to many people who looked after you when you were growing up. 516 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Teachers, social workers, your foster parent, Alan Barker. 517 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,959 He told us what your mum put you through, 518 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480 and I know that she was wrestling with her own demons, but... 519 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,959 ..no child should have to deal with what you did. 520 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,959 The people that she made you encounter. 521 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,960 The innocence that was taken away from you. 522 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,959 So we understand if it was a row that got out of hand 523 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,959 and your anger got the better of you. 524 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960 Maybe it was even an accident. 525 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,960 But why don't you tell us your side of the story? 526 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,960 You don't understand a thing. 527 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,960 Joseph... And you can shut the fuck up. 528 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,960 So help us. 529 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,160 I'm not Joseph Bell. 530 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,960 I'm sorry? 531 00:32:36,961 --> 00:32:38,959 I'm not Joe. 532 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960 It's not J for Joseph. It's J for Jay. 533 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,160 I'm Joe's half-brother. 534 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,959 My birth was never registered. 535 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,159 My mum didn't want me taken in to care like Joe was. 536 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,959 So... So, what about schools and healthcare? 537 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,639 I lived between my mum and my dad till I was 11. 538 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,960 He home-schooled me a bit. 539 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,319 So, how old are you? 21. 540 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,960 So you were 14 when your mum died? 541 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,959 Nearly 15. 542 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,959 And did you go to your dad, then? 543 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,479 No, he died in 2015. 544 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,480 And who was your father? 545 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,799 Eric Royce. 546 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,959 OK. And where did he live? 547 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,959 With, erm... a travelling community. 548 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,960 So, er... 549 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,959 How did you survive in London, 550 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,959 I presume on your own, from the age of 14? 551 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960 I did fine. I was already old, man. 552 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,959 I stole. Lived on the streets. 553 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960 Got jobs in markets, lived in squats. 554 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,959 Then when I was 16, I... 555 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,480 I adopted my brother's identity to gain access to his benefits. 556 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,960 OK. Did your brother not need his identity? 557 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,320 You can leave now. 558 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,960 Jay, I'm here to help... Leave, bruv. 559 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,960 I'll wait outside. 560 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,959 No. 561 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960 Why didn't your brother need his identity? 562 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,959 Did something happen to him, Jay? 563 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,959 Something connected to the night of the 26th? 564 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,479 There's people out there, man, 565 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,959 who'd wanna hurt me cos of what I've seen. 566 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,319 So I'm not saying any more. 567 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,959 We wouldn't let that happen. 568 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,959 We wouldn't let anyone hurt you. 569 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,160 Yeah, people used to say that to Joe. 570 00:35:13,161 --> 00:35:14,959 All day long. 571 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,959 People like you, telling him he could trust them. 572 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,959 That they'd look after him. 573 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,799 And they were lying. 574 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,959 All of them, man. 575 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,960 All of them. 576 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,960 So I ain't telling you a thing. 577 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,959 'So, good news, bad news.' 578 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,959 The bad news is that all his e-mails to her have gone from our server. 579 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,959 And I mean properly gone. He knew what he was doing. 580 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,959 OK. And the good news? 581 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,959 Just because of how and where our systems store stuff, 582 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,479 there are two from her to him undeleted, 583 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,959 and I think you'll find them interesting. 584 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,959 So, this is the first, 585 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,999 as I say, from Precious Falade to Karol Wojski, 586 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,959 sent on the 26th of June at 14:23. 587 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,959 "Hi, Karol, you left your laptop here earlier, unlocked." 588 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,959 "Couldn't resist a peek at your photos." 589 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,960 "Some interesting pics." 590 00:36:29,961 --> 00:36:33,959 "How much would you not want me to share these with your boss?" 591 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,960 "Call or text. I'm here tonight." 592 00:36:34,961 --> 00:36:37,159 And then this is the other one. 593 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,959 And at the bottom here, 594 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,959 you can see his reply to her first email. 595 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,959 That would be the 27th. 596 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,480 And she just replies, "Bring 2K." Oh... 597 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,960 There was a laptop logged on her son's arrest sheet. 598 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,959 So, is it possible to determine who's this is? 599 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,959 Is it obviously Joe Royce's? 600 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,959 If it is, he's barely used it in the last few years. 601 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,959 There's no internet history, no updates, no emails. 602 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,959 So, when you say the last few years...? 603 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,959 Last real activity was mid-2016. 604 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,959 So this is his mum's. 605 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,959 I think that's pretty likely. OK. 606 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,959 Also, I need you to find and download any stored photos, 607 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,959 look for anything, erm, tagged and nominated to a Karol Wojski. 608 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,960 Right. Yep. 609 00:37:28,961 --> 00:37:31,959 Yep. Call me ASAP if you find anything. 610 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,959 Cheers. 611 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,959 His brother?! 'Half. 612 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,959 'At least, that's what he told me.' 613 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,959 There was no bloody brother, half or otherwise. 614 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,639 I'm just telling you what he said. 615 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,959 'Is he still in there? 616 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,799 'Are they still questioning him?' Yes. 617 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,959 Look, just try to get him out, Graham, whoever the hell he is. 618 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,959 And then what? 619 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,959 'Just... Oh, I've got another call coming in. 620 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,160 'Just try to get him out.' 621 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,960 Ben. 'Tony.' 622 00:38:01,961 --> 00:38:03,959 Long time. 'Indeed.' 623 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,959 How are you? 'Er, listen, not a social call.' 624 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,959 Er, we've had a rather unfortunate incident in the bank today, 625 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,959 involving a police officer 626 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,959 asking about an account you set up in the late '80s? 627 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,959 Right. And, er... what did you tell them? 628 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,800 Well, you know I always try to preserve anonymity, but, er... 629 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,959 ..I had to tell them, I'm afraid. 630 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,800 'About both standing orders.' 631 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,959 Fran Lingley. 632 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,959 'Fran, it's Gordy Watson on the front desk.' 633 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,960 Hey, Gordy, what's up? 634 00:38:39,961 --> 00:38:43,799 'So, I just had the weirdest call regarding the Precious Falade case. 635 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,000 'Can you come down?' 636 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,159 So, how do we prove if he's telling the truth? 637 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,480 It's hard. 638 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,799 But DNA from him, his mum, both his alleged fathers... 639 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,959 Who are both dead, and may not be on any of our systems. 640 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,959 And how long's that gonna take, if it's even possible? 641 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,960 Not your problem. 642 00:39:06,961 --> 00:39:08,999 I'm not sure you're even his brief any more. 643 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,959 And even if he is lying about who he says he is... 644 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,959 you still have no good evidence to connect him to your murder. 645 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,959 As I said... I think you'll find I am his brief, 646 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,959 as soon as I tell him I can get him bailed. 647 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,639 Guv. 648 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,959 Erm, I need a word. It's pretty urgent. 649 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,960 We'll get right back to you on that. 650 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,959 And did the caller say who the body was? 651 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,799 A young man named Joseph Bell. 652 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,959 Jesus. Yeah. 653 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,959 And I assume the caller didn't say who he was? 654 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,959 No. How weird they make the call now. 655 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,159 Can we trace where the call came from? We're working on it. 656 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,959 And did he say where specifically in the garden he was buried? 657 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,639 No, but I checked the address he gave on Google Maps. 658 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,959 It's a small ground floor flat in Greenford. 659 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,959 The garden's 50 by 30, so... 660 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,960 OK. Thanks, Fran. OK. 661 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960 So, we get a dog unit down there... 662 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,160 What about Jay Royce? 663 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,799 Brief's right. We've got nothing to hold him. 664 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,999 Bail him to return next week. 665 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,999 OK. 666 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,960 Sunny, when they found the bullet, did they keep looking for others? 667 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,960 I'll call Morten. Get him back in there. 668 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,959 Mr Blackwood? Yeah? 669 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,799 Karen Willets, Bishop Street nick. 670 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,959 I was wondering if you could give me five minutes? 671 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,639 Yeah. 672 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,959 Where were they? 673 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,959 In a file imaginatively named "Karol Wojsack pics". 674 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,800 So, this is not Jay's. 675 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,959 Everything on here would suggests to me this is Precious Falade's laptop. 676 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,639 When was the file made? 677 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,959 26th of June, 2016. 678 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,959 Downloaded from an email sent from a Hotmail address, 679 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,959 also created on the 26th of June. 680 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,959 About 20 minutes or so before the e-mail was sent, in fact. 681 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,639 So she creates a Hotmail account on Wojski's laptop 682 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,959 to send the photos to this to hers? 683 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,799 Yeah. 684 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,319 How many are there? 43. 685 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,159 On the tube, buses, shops... It's obviously his thing. 686 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,959 Daryl, you're a genius. Can you send them to me? Yep. 687 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,799 When? 'About ten minutes ago.' 688 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,960 And what's he doing? 689 00:41:34,961 --> 00:41:36,959 Has he... Has he come to pick some stuff up or...? 690 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,959 I don't think so. He's playing with the kids. 691 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,959 'He just dropped a bag in the spare room 692 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,959 'and said he'd cook.' OK, well, erm... 693 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,959 Look, you head on, Mum, and, erm... I'll call you later, OK? 694 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,160 Sorry. 695 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960 Go on, then. Go find him. Good boy. 696 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,959 Lingley. 'Got a Karol Wojski down here 697 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,320 'asking for you.' 698 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,120 Can you get him to take a seat and tell him I'll be down in 20? 699 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,960 Here! 700 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,320 Good boy. 701 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,960 Mr Hume, Gatwick? Yes. Gatwick, please. 702 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,159 And we just felt that there was a bit of a discrepancy between you, 703 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,959 obviously, thinking it was 704 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,959 a serious enough incident to call the police, 705 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,960 and then what you went on to say in court. 706 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,959 Well, yes. 707 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,959 Yes, there was. Thanks. 708 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,160 OK. 709 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,959 But can I ask you why? 710 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,960 Because it was suggested to me after the arrest... 711 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960 ..that if I wanted to keep my job... 712 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,959 ..I downplay the incident. 713 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,479 Suggested by who? 714 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,960 One of the directors. 715 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,960 Which one? I'd prefer not to say. 716 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,959 Well, according to my research, 717 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,479 Anthony Hume's father was on the board of directors. 718 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,960 Was it him? 719 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,960 And was there anything else he asked you to change? 720 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,959 Anything else that you didn't tell the court? 721 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,959 What she was shouting, when she came through the door. 722 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,160 Which was? 723 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960 "I wanna speak to my dad." 724 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,480 "I want to speak to Tony fucking Hume." 725 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,960 Hold on. 55193

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