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"Boardwalk Empire"
provided an incredible backdrop
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which we could tell stories
about politics, race relations,
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and, really, the formation
of modern America.
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The beauty of
doing these shows
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is exploring characters
over the course of,
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hopefully, three, five years.
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We told the story of Nucky
as a leader and as a person,
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seeing through his eyes and with the
backdrop of the prohibition years.
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That's exactly the story
we set out to tell
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and I'm really proud
of the way we did it.
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I certainly feel proud
of the work that we've done,
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and I feel like we're leaving
the audience with something
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that they can enjoy
for years to come.
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- sync and corrections by Zac -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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- Background.
- Sound.
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Camera.
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Somewhere back in 2007, I had been
given the book "Boardwalk Empire"
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by an executive at HBO,
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who told me Martin Scorsese
was attached to this project.
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It was a history book,
basically.
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It was the history
of Atlantic City.
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The Eureka moment for me came
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when I read the chapter
about Nucky Johnson,
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who we, of course, fictionalized
as Nucky Thompson.
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This guy was a TV series
waiting to happen.
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In less than two hours,
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liquor will be declared
illegal by decree
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of the distinguished gentlemen
of our nation's congress.
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To those beautiful,
ignorant bastards.
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The period we chose to focus on
was the prohibition years...
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1919 to the early '30s.
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And they were an incredibly
tumultuous time in the United States.
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In terms of the casting
process, you know,
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first and foremost,
we needed our Nucky.
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We wanted to know
who the guy was
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that we were going to be
building this series around.
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I got a call from Terry Winter and
he told me that I had the part.
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I said, you know, "we'd like
to cast you in this role."
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I said, "I know you're still
considering other actors",
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but I just really appreciate
you thinking of me."
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He almost talked himself
out of it.
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But I said, "no, this is the call.
We want you to do it."
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And he says, "no, Steve.
I'm offering you the part."
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- What do you want, Mickey?
- Come on, Nuck.
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I come to youse hat in hand.
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When I auditioned,
I did the thing
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that I kind of do
as Mickey Doyle...
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With the voice and the laugh.
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As I was leaving, Ellen Lewis,
the casting director,
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said, "can you come back in
and do it again?"
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And this time,
they want you to try...
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Just don't do any of that
that you just did.
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So I did it and, I mean,
it was awful.
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I mean, it was terrible.
Or at least I thought it was awful.
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As I approached my first day
with Mr. Scorsese,
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I wasn't totally sure
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which character
had gotten the part.
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And no one told me.
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- My pal Meyer.
- Mickey Doyle.
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How do you do?
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I had an audition
for an 18-year-old,
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tough, Jewish kid
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from the Lower East Side
of Manhattan.
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And I thought, "I'm 30,
I'm from London",
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and how am I gonna
pull this off?"
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- Mr. Thompson.
- Torrio's man.
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I was at home when
the phone went and it was Marty.
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He just went to me,
"hello, kid. How you doing?"
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I was like,
"yeah, I'm okay."
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He was like, "look,
I've got this thing.
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'Boardwalk Empire.'"
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I was like, "oh, okay." And he went,
"I'd love you to play Al Capone."
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I went,
"yeah, sure. Okay."
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I went in.
I read.
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They said, "we'd like
you to meet Marty."
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This is all the same day.
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Spent about an hour and a half
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talking about growing
up Italian in New York.
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At which point I said, "Marty,
do you want me to read for you?"
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And he said,
"yeah, yeah. Read."
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I read for him, he said,
"go to wardrobe."
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First I auditioned for
one of the boat captains.
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And then I heard that they were
thinking about me for the brother.
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And so it, uh, you know,
got kicked up a notch.
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You know,
the peculiar thing is that
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at the same time
the feds are raiding Mickey,
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this shit's happening
three miles away.
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Ain't that a coincidence.
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Is there anything you
want to say or should I?
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- Background.
- And action.
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The first day on set
was a good first day for me
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'cause I didn't have
any dialog.
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The Winter of '88, a blizzard
of biblical proportions.
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Martin Scorsese
was directing and I thought,
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"okay, I can get through
the first day."
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I had on this costume...
Very tough to wear
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in front of all these people
you didn't know, you know?
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And then I had to leap up
into his arms
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and I just heard this...
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All the way up the back.
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We all had to go in
another room and sew it up.
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It was just sort of horrifying.
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My first day on set was actually
that scene with Michael.
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One of the crew members, Charlie,
he sort of took me aside and said,
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"you know, you need to work
on your accent a little bit."
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And I was like, "but I'm
shooting in a minute."
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So I asked Marty if I
could have 10 minutes.
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He went, "yeah,
sure, sure, sure."
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And Charlie sat with me and I really
listened to Charlie's accent.
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And I went in
and I had to... you know,
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I had to shake hands with Michael
and say, "I'm Al Capone."
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- Nice talking to you.
- You, too.
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- Jimmy Darmody.
- Al Capone.
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All right, Al.
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It was one of them
moments where my sphincter
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was going about
90 Miles an hour.
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I remember
the first table read.
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I was dressed in my audition
suit and had worn a bow tie.
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And, of course, I was the
only one there dressed up.
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I felt ridiculous.
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My first table read
was, um, nerve-racking.
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The main thing
that stood out to me
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was that I was
the only black in the room.
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I was just like, "wow."
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I had never been the only black
in anything before.
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My first day on set
was like a 14-hour day.
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And they were like,
"okay, it's time to go."
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And I remember Mr. Scorsese was
like, "we're done? We're done?"
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Like, that's it?
That's all we got?"
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I feel like I'm back
in the '70s.
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I found out what it was
to work with Marty.
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It's like 2:00 in the morning,
he comes in, he goes,
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"great! Perfect! Really good! Perfect!
Let's do a few more."
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Fine town, Chicago.
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Yeah, well, it ain't New York,
that's for sure.
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New York ain't New York now
with prohibition.
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It will be if I have
something to say about it.
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It sounds to me like it brings us to
the business portion of our meeting.
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In light of
recent developments,
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I thought it might be a mutual
benefit for you boys to meet.
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I don't recall having had
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a more satisfying experience
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with the words that I've been
offered to act with.
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I like this room.
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One looks down in secret
and sees many things.
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- You know what I saw?
- Nah.
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A servant pretending
to be a king.
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It's just been deeply
satisfying every episode.
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Terry Winter, of course,
leading the charge.
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Howard Korder as well.
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I had been a fan
of Howard Korder's
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for a long time
before I actually met him.
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I had met with
Terry and Tim when they were
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starting to put things together
and looking for writers.
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He read the pilot, I offered him
the job, and he said, "no."
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And I called him and I said,
"well, that's not the right answer."
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That's not how
this is supposed to go.
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"It's supposed to be
yes, of course."
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I had worked on a TV series
decades earlier.
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I really didn't think
it was for me.
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I said, "I assure you
it'll be completely different."
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And just give it
a couple months,
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and if you hate it, great,
no harm, no foul.
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"If you like it,
you know, stay."
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And so it seemed like a better
idea to say yes than no.
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Do you have a suspect?
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Waxey Gordon
comes to mind.
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- Naturally.
- But it's not Waxey.
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Because Waxey would have to clear it
with you and you would've said no
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because you're
in business with me.
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That could be
what I want you to think.
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It could, but I doubt it.
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How can you be sure?
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Because if you were
trying to be obvious,
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you'd never be that obvious.
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This is why I enjoy
our conversations.
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The larger narrative arcs
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are incredibly
well-considered.
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But then the detail
that's added
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once, you know, you receive
the first draft,
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then you'll receive something
that you slightly tweak.
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If it's the night
before shooting,
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and sometimes the morning of
shooting, sometimes during shooting,
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if there's a better line
of dialog, it'll go in.
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In one episode,
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um, Howard Korder came back
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with a little tweak
to a side scene.
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- And the line was...
- The negro in question.
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And I read...
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And I read that
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and I just laughed out loud
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because it was so...
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It was just the perfect accent
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to the scene
that had preceded it.
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And it was also
so wonderfully authentic.
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And I said to myself, "wow."
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Howard must be
a negro in disguise
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"to have written this."
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It is not
an exaggeration to say
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I could not have done
this show without him.
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The show would not have been
half as good
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without Howard Korder's
involvement.
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We've been on the road
for 18 hours.
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I need a bath, some chow...
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And then you and me sit down
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and we talk about
who dies, huh?
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The best thing that can
happen when you're writing
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in this serialized world
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is you discover things you had
no idea you were going to do.
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We're creating this
series as it goes along.
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So very often I don't share with the
cast where their characters are going
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or where the story arcs are going
because we're not settled on it.
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I think part of the process
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of not showing the actors what
they're going to be doing next
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provides a surprise for them.
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And it certainly keeps you
in the moment.
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Margaret always surprised me.
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I thought I knew
what she was all about
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and she gets the job
in the dress shop
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and then she steals something.
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And I was like...
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"She's not a thief.
This can't be."
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- Good evening, Madame Jeunet.
- Bonsoir.
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And so many things
that were a shock to me...
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I thought,
"well, that's quite good
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'cause it'll be a shock
to the people watching."
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Early on, there have been
debates with actors about...
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They want to know
what's gonna happen.
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I said, "well, if it turns out
that the actor
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you're playing
in a scene with"
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in three episodes
is your mortal enemy,
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I don't want you
to know that now.
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I don't want you to play that
even subconsciously,
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"so you really shouldn't
know that."
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You've had your last meal
in this place.
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Looking very respectable,
James.
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- What did he promise you?
- More than you ever did.
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I keep my promises.
And I'll make you one now.
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I will ruin you.
All of you.
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It was all very cloak and dagger,
which I thought was brilliant.
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Why should we know
everything that's going on
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if we don't know
it as a character?
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So I was very happy to sort of
watch it as an audience member,
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as a sort of... as an avid
viewer when it came out.
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I watched him
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from a blind for three days.
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He lifted it
to scratch his nose.
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I put a bullet
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one inch below his eye.
250
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It's really hard to pick
a favorite Chalky scene.
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There are so many
beautiful moments
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that I'm so proud
of the way they turned out.
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But I would go with the scene
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with him and
the ku klux klan member.
255
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I ain't building no bookcase.
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I was born in Elgin, Texas.
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My daddy taught himself
the carpenter trade
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doing for the black folk there.
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The ancestral energy
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that I tapped into
for that particular scene
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was real intense for me.
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These here are my daddy tools.
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What are you
gonna do with them?
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I ain't building no bookcase.
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One of my favorite scenes
was the scene
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where I pick up Eli from prison
'cause I got to drive a car.
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How, big chief.
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Which way to the little big horn?
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How, big chief.
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Which way
to the little big horn?
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No luggage, right?
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Anytime I got to wind
people up, it was good.
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The fight scene that
Nucky and his brother had,
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I think, was one
of the highlights.
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It took us two days to shoot.
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I slapped Shea.
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He's that kind of actor
that says, "no, just do it."
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I said, "are you sure?"
He goes, "yeah, just do it."
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You come crawling back here
because you don't have the balls
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to finish what you started.
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We did quite a number of
takes of me slapping Shea
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and I think it was
very painful for him.
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Deborah.
Hannah.
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I always enjoyed the moments
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that were the more
humane moments.
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Like he's trying to name
his daughter.
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Abigail.
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I thought
that was interesting.
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My favorite scene
was in season four
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when Ron Livingston's
character lifts the veil
291
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and she's just so blindsided.
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You and I are here.
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Together.
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That's all that matters.
295
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When she discovers
that he was playing her...
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You get that?
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That look of
sheer shock and horror
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that was in her face
broke my heart.
299
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And the way they shot it,
sort of up above
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when she runs down the stairs
301
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and then sort of almost
like an animal trapped...
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I'll never forget it.
303
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One of my favorite scenes is
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Gyp's scene in season three
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when all the gangsters
are sitting 'round
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and he verbally
destroys everyone.
307
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You smug, kike midget.
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Creeping around like a fucking
dentist with the ether.
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Why don't you watch
your fucking step?
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Why don't you go sit
in the corner, short pants?
311
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And then there's you.
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Fucking breadstick
in a bow tie.
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I really enjoyed that.
314
00:13:20,994 --> 00:13:22,961
So what are you saying,
Mr. White?
315
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About what?
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About my buying, let us say,
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1,000 cases of spirited...
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Liquor directly from you
to our mutual benefit.
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Cut out the middleman.
320
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A lot of the fun
in getting cast on this
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was the fact that
Terry Winter was involved.
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You're not gonna turn down
the chance to work with Terry.
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It just was a no-brainer.
324
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When Terry comes down to set,
it's like dad coming down.
325
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Everyone's
so well-behaved.
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When I think back
of working with Terry,
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I think of him
as a proud father
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and his children are his words.
329
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You do understand
330
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I'm the only thing keeping
you from a lynch mob?
331
00:14:07,557 --> 00:14:10,809
You ready...
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00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:13,445
For what happens here?
333
00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,648
I turn up on the end of a rope.
334
00:14:16,699 --> 00:14:20,219
When you work with Terry, be in
for some really intense writing.
335
00:14:20,253 --> 00:14:23,255
Of course, I had already been a
fan of his work on "Sopranos"
336
00:14:23,306 --> 00:14:25,390
and the script
of "Wolf of Wall Street."
337
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I was really impressed
with his clear vision
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for what "Boardwalk Empire"
could be.
339
00:14:30,330 --> 00:14:34,366
And with his enthusiasm
and his vision and insight,
340
00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,785
it was pretty obvious
he'd be the right showrunner.
341
00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:40,339
Terry writing
at the height of his talent
342
00:14:40,373 --> 00:14:42,808
and then Tim Van Patten,
who is a maestro...
343
00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:44,209
It's as good as it gets.
344
00:14:44,211 --> 00:14:46,745
Tim Van Patten
was the first person
345
00:14:46,747 --> 00:14:49,248
I spoke to about joining me
346
00:14:49,299 --> 00:14:51,049
as we embarked
on "Boardwalk Empire."
347
00:14:51,084 --> 00:14:53,535
Gangsters and history
348
00:14:53,570 --> 00:14:56,638
and, you know, ensemble.
349
00:14:56,673 --> 00:14:58,357
There was no way
I wasn't gonna do it.
350
00:14:58,359 --> 00:14:59,858
Tim, like Howard,
351
00:14:59,893 --> 00:15:03,812
is so incredibly responsible
for how terrific this show is.
352
00:15:03,847 --> 00:15:07,115
It wouldn't be a quarter
of what it is, you know...
353
00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:10,068
Or wait, I said a half for Howard...
Also, Tim's the other half.
354
00:15:10,070 --> 00:15:12,371
Okay, it would not be half of
what it is without Howard.
355
00:15:12,405 --> 00:15:14,489
So the two halves of those guys
make up the whole.
356
00:15:14,541 --> 00:15:16,708
I don't even need to be involved
in this. It's really... it's them.
357
00:15:16,743 --> 00:15:20,879
Tim is everywhere at all times.
And thank goodness.
358
00:15:20,881 --> 00:15:24,049
He's just one of those people that you
just know is keeping everything going.
359
00:15:24,551 --> 00:15:27,119
Hey, enough with the bohunk cracks.
Name's Duffy now.
360
00:15:27,153 --> 00:15:29,288
- What?
- I changed it.
361
00:15:29,322 --> 00:15:31,723
I ain't Mickey Kuzik no more.
362
00:15:31,758 --> 00:15:34,493
- Who's after you?
- Nobody.
363
00:15:34,527 --> 00:15:37,095
- Then why Duffy?
- It sounds better is all.
364
00:15:37,130 --> 00:15:39,731
A rose by any other name.
365
00:15:41,367 --> 00:15:43,402
When you think of a TV show,
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you pretty much think of,
you know, being in a studio
367
00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:50,425
and occasionally going out
to a location.
368
00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:52,644
"Boardwalk"
was the exact opposite.
369
00:15:56,883 --> 00:15:59,268
My favorite location
was John's restaurant.
370
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There we were, dressed
as Meyer Lansky, Lucky Luciano,
371
00:16:02,722 --> 00:16:05,924
Arnold Rothstein, and Joe Masseria
sitting in the back of John's
372
00:16:05,959 --> 00:16:09,194
as they might have done,
you know, those many years before.
373
00:16:09,228 --> 00:16:12,164
Knowing that these characters
actually inhabited that space
374
00:16:12,198 --> 00:16:15,550
and it was Joe Masseria's
headquarters, it was just fun.
375
00:16:15,585 --> 00:16:18,086
Four deuces.
That was me favorite location.
376
00:16:18,121 --> 00:16:22,224
It was really
this beautiful mini estate
377
00:16:22,258 --> 00:16:24,676
in bedford-stuyvesant
that was once
378
00:16:24,711 --> 00:16:27,846
the country home
of F.W. Woolworth.
379
00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,666
It was just always fun in
there, do you know what I mean?
380
00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,151
Not the fact that there was
scantily clad women everywhere,
381
00:16:33,186 --> 00:16:35,787
but it was just a fun set,
it was a really fun set.
382
00:16:35,822 --> 00:16:38,156
I really liked
being in Babette's.
383
00:16:38,158 --> 00:16:40,759
I thought that was fun
when there was entertainment.
384
00:16:40,793 --> 00:16:43,595
It was hard to concentrate on
what you were meant to be doing.
385
00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:46,131
It's a very distracting show
to work on.
386
00:16:46,182 --> 00:16:49,718
The sets have always
been perfect in the detail.
387
00:16:49,752 --> 00:16:53,338
When you show up in the morning
and you see the amount of work
388
00:16:53,373 --> 00:16:56,858
that's been put into that, it
really gets your blood pumping.
389
00:16:56,893 --> 00:17:00,028
'Cause your blood's not always pumping
really hard at 5:00 in the morning.
390
00:17:00,063 --> 00:17:02,597
The set design has been
quite amazing.
391
00:17:02,632 --> 00:17:05,267
The detail
and the sense of place
392
00:17:05,318 --> 00:17:08,754
and mood through place
has been really spectacular.
393
00:17:08,788 --> 00:17:10,806
I'm always very cautious
of sort of
394
00:17:10,857 --> 00:17:14,393
not overdesigning something
or overdoing something
395
00:17:14,395 --> 00:17:16,278
'cause that isn't the point.
396
00:17:16,312 --> 00:17:18,347
The point is
to support the story
397
00:17:18,381 --> 00:17:20,882
and help reinforce
the characters.
398
00:17:20,917 --> 00:17:25,253
By far my favorite set
was the Onyx Club.
399
00:17:25,288 --> 00:17:27,339
That was another time
I would just pinch myself.
400
00:17:27,341 --> 00:17:30,042
Just be like, "this is for me?
401
00:17:30,076 --> 00:17:31,877
Really?
I'm a part of this?"
402
00:17:31,911 --> 00:17:35,564
Wallpaper from England, curtain
hand-painted in New York.
403
00:17:35,598 --> 00:17:38,483
- These chandeliers?
- Sconces.
404
00:17:38,518 --> 00:17:40,268
They custom-made
in Paris.
405
00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:42,371
I don't think the audience
will ever really know
406
00:17:42,405 --> 00:17:46,174
the amount of detail they put
into making that Onyx Club.
407
00:17:46,209 --> 00:17:47,442
It was beautiful.
408
00:17:47,477 --> 00:17:50,629
Step right up, friends.
What you waiting for?
409
00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,916
Lovely ladies
direct from Paris, France.
410
00:17:54,951 --> 00:17:57,636
- Don't be afraid, fellas.
- That original boardwalk set
411
00:17:57,638 --> 00:18:01,323
that we only had for three
seasons was pretty magical.
412
00:18:01,357 --> 00:18:04,276
For the first two years, every
time I would turn the corner
413
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:06,795
and look up and see that thing,
it would take my breath away.
414
00:18:06,846 --> 00:18:09,464
It was, I believe,
the largest standing set
415
00:18:09,499 --> 00:18:12,701
in New York film history
since 1915.
416
00:18:12,735 --> 00:18:13,919
When it was finished,
417
00:18:13,953 --> 00:18:15,454
Terry and I were walking
down this thing
418
00:18:15,456 --> 00:18:18,173
and we're going, "holy shit."
419
00:18:18,224 --> 00:18:20,559
If we don't pull this off,
we're in trouble."
420
00:18:20,593 --> 00:18:22,260
So...
421
00:18:22,311 --> 00:18:25,480
I'd turn up on the boardwalk and
there'd be an elephant there.
422
00:18:25,515 --> 00:18:28,233
Crazy, amazing extras.
423
00:18:28,267 --> 00:18:30,385
Rudy the Congo creep.
424
00:18:30,436 --> 00:18:32,104
Hoppy the frog boy.
425
00:18:32,138 --> 00:18:33,755
Every time I was there,
it was such an experience.
426
00:18:33,790 --> 00:18:35,874
When Marty first
came to the boardwalk,
427
00:18:35,876 --> 00:18:39,010
started at one end...
It was like 300 feet to walk.
428
00:18:39,012 --> 00:18:40,546
And I was there
throughout the building of
429
00:18:40,547 --> 00:18:42,080
the whole thing from
the very beginning,
430
00:18:42,082 --> 00:18:44,716
so I know where
all the secret spots are.
431
00:18:44,751 --> 00:18:48,670
And he's going down the set and he's
looking and says, "oh, that's lovely."
432
00:18:48,721 --> 00:18:50,138
That's lovely.
That's a good angle there."
433
00:18:50,173 --> 00:18:51,757
I'm going,
"oh, he found that angle."
434
00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:54,760
And then, "oh, that's lovely.
That's a lovely angle, too."
435
00:18:54,794 --> 00:18:56,528
Went right to every spot.
436
00:18:56,562 --> 00:18:57,996
I'm thinking,
"what am I gonna do?
437
00:18:58,047 --> 00:18:59,731
I think so, too."
438
00:18:59,766 --> 00:19:03,001
While you were on that
boardwalk, you were there.
439
00:19:03,052 --> 00:19:05,203
The Ferris wheel, the lights,
440
00:19:05,254 --> 00:19:07,038
the children
running up and down.
441
00:19:07,073 --> 00:19:10,492
So beautifully designed,
created, painted,
442
00:19:10,526 --> 00:19:13,188
and filmed exquisitely.
443
00:19:13,896 --> 00:19:16,131
There's a broad
looking to see you.
444
00:19:16,165 --> 00:19:18,200
She's been waiting
for over an hour.
445
00:19:18,234 --> 00:19:20,402
She says it's urgent.
446
00:19:20,436 --> 00:19:22,104
She's pregnant.
447
00:19:22,138 --> 00:19:23,505
What?
448
00:19:23,539 --> 00:19:27,008
- You met her last night.
- Last night?
449
00:19:27,043 --> 00:19:28,643
She saw you talk or something.
450
00:19:28,678 --> 00:19:31,346
Ah, ah,
the "temperaments" league.
451
00:19:32,249 --> 00:19:35,484
One of the more exciting things about
starting a new season of "Boardwalk"
452
00:19:35,518 --> 00:19:37,636
was seeing what suits you had
for the season.
453
00:19:37,687 --> 00:19:42,207
We fit every leading character
and every background person.
454
00:19:42,258 --> 00:19:44,810
Every... every single one
was fit to a T.
455
00:19:44,844 --> 00:19:48,113
John Dunn has people in undergarments,
period undergarments.
456
00:19:48,115 --> 00:19:50,765
We're not gonna see them,
but they're in them.
457
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,083
They're in them.
458
00:19:52,118 --> 00:19:54,452
Costumes are very,
very important to me,
459
00:19:54,504 --> 00:19:55,787
as most things are in film,
460
00:19:55,822 --> 00:19:58,273
but costumes I have
a special attachment to
461
00:19:58,307 --> 00:20:00,425
in creating character and time.
462
00:20:00,459 --> 00:20:02,777
Sometimes I would be on set
463
00:20:02,812 --> 00:20:05,247
and I would maybe
be feeling like,
464
00:20:05,281 --> 00:20:09,201
"do I really have the right,
you know, Nucky vibe here?"
465
00:20:09,235 --> 00:20:11,236
And then I would catch
just a glimpse of myself
466
00:20:11,238 --> 00:20:12,938
in a reflection
and I wouldn't see me.
467
00:20:12,989 --> 00:20:14,239
I mean, I would see
the character.
468
00:20:14,273 --> 00:20:16,324
I was like, "oh, I'm okay.
I'm okay."
469
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,194
- I ran the odds on the way down.
- On what?
470
00:20:19,228 --> 00:20:21,830
Whether you'd attempt
to kill me.
471
00:20:21,864 --> 00:20:25,467
- What'd you come up with?
- 14-1 against.
472
00:20:25,518 --> 00:20:28,670
We have wardrobe
people all helping dress
473
00:20:28,704 --> 00:20:31,189
and tie the ties
and do the cuff links
474
00:20:31,224 --> 00:20:32,741
and adjust the suspenders.
475
00:20:32,792 --> 00:20:35,443
And Michael really took it
upon himself
476
00:20:35,478 --> 00:20:37,479
to learn to do
all of these things.
477
00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:39,281
Here I am in my room
478
00:20:39,315 --> 00:20:42,734
and I'm using the time
to get dressed
479
00:20:42,785 --> 00:20:44,836
as a way to get into character.
480
00:20:44,838 --> 00:20:47,339
And then all of a sudden
you get a knock on the door,
481
00:20:47,423 --> 00:20:49,307
"can I tie your bow tie?"
482
00:20:50,726 --> 00:20:52,510
You know, my world is blown.
483
00:20:52,562 --> 00:20:56,531
So in order to keep that momentum
and keep that vibe going,
484
00:20:56,582 --> 00:20:58,500
I learned how to tie a bow tie.
485
00:20:58,551 --> 00:21:01,136
Michael Stuhlbarg
tied a bow tie,
486
00:21:01,187 --> 00:21:02,971
which is almost impossible,
487
00:21:03,022 --> 00:21:05,774
during a take, perfectly.
488
00:21:05,808 --> 00:21:09,861
I am lucky to remember
my lines.
489
00:21:09,912 --> 00:21:12,764
The collars, the spats,
490
00:21:12,798 --> 00:21:16,701
the cuff links,
the bow tie, the hats.
491
00:21:16,752 --> 00:21:18,403
You dress for battle
492
00:21:18,405 --> 00:21:20,959
in a way that I don't today.
493
00:21:21,741 --> 00:21:24,142
I have a friend, a judge.
494
00:21:24,176 --> 00:21:25,644
His daughter's wedding's
in a week.
495
00:21:25,678 --> 00:21:27,512
I'd like to be able
to accommodate him and...
496
00:21:27,546 --> 00:21:29,481
The 700 guests.
497
00:21:29,515 --> 00:21:30,938
You haven't stockpiled?
498
00:21:30,939 --> 00:21:33,290
Mm, all sold already.
I'm coming up short.
499
00:21:33,819 --> 00:21:36,721
Obviously, there have been
many features
500
00:21:36,756 --> 00:21:38,523
set during
the prohibition period.
501
00:21:38,525 --> 00:21:41,076
But there have been
very few television series
502
00:21:41,127 --> 00:21:44,379
and none which really dealt
specifically with Atlantic City.
503
00:21:44,413 --> 00:21:47,949
As the new head of prohibition
enforcement in Atlantic City,
504
00:21:47,984 --> 00:21:51,419
I do intend to take my duties
with the utmost seriousness.
505
00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:54,139
- What?
- That was a joke.
506
00:21:54,173 --> 00:21:56,975
I was joking. I thought you
might all appreciate that.
507
00:21:57,009 --> 00:21:59,694
The scope of "Boardwalk"
was amazing
508
00:21:59,729 --> 00:22:02,147
in terms of taking it
from the beginning
509
00:22:02,198 --> 00:22:04,699
when there was
no organized crime,
510
00:22:04,734 --> 00:22:08,470
through when we leave off,
the beginning of the syndicate.
511
00:22:08,504 --> 00:22:11,273
There's a kind of
depraved warmth
512
00:22:11,307 --> 00:22:13,642
that emanates from the show
513
00:22:13,693 --> 00:22:16,645
and this strange comfort
that you find
514
00:22:16,679 --> 00:22:19,814
in exploring
this dangerous world
515
00:22:19,849 --> 00:22:23,034
through the lens
of these characters.
516
00:22:23,069 --> 00:22:27,822
Most stories will take
fictional characters
517
00:22:27,873 --> 00:22:30,158
and have them be the witness
518
00:22:30,209 --> 00:22:32,210
to historical characters
519
00:22:32,244 --> 00:22:34,879
whereas "Boardwalk"
does a kind of reverse.
520
00:22:34,914 --> 00:22:37,415
- Meyer.
- Nucky.
521
00:22:37,466 --> 00:22:39,484
- Hello.
- Been a while.
522
00:22:39,486 --> 00:22:41,820
- A.R.'S funeral.
- Sad day.
523
00:22:41,822 --> 00:22:43,471
Rest his soul.
524
00:22:43,506 --> 00:22:45,407
This was a great opportunity
to explore characters
525
00:22:45,441 --> 00:22:49,311
that people knew, but didn't
necessarily know as younger men.
526
00:22:49,362 --> 00:22:51,062
You know, the opportunity
to meet Al Capone
527
00:22:51,113 --> 00:22:54,716
as the guy who's driving the other
guy's car was irresistible for me.
528
00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,002
I really loved them little
scenes where he's at home
529
00:22:57,053 --> 00:22:59,437
with his boy or with his
wife or with his mother,
530
00:22:59,472 --> 00:23:01,956
with his brothers around
the table eating dinner
531
00:23:01,991 --> 00:23:03,742
and fighting on the floor
and stuff like that.
532
00:23:03,793 --> 00:23:06,394
I really enjoyed that.
533
00:23:06,429 --> 00:23:07,996
No, ma, they're horsing around.
534
00:23:08,047 --> 00:23:09,998
What?!
535
00:23:10,032 --> 00:23:12,751
What makes it work for me
as an audience member
536
00:23:12,753 --> 00:23:15,704
is that it's not
just about gangsters.
537
00:23:15,738 --> 00:23:17,088
It's about a whole world.
538
00:23:17,139 --> 00:23:20,125
Along with all
the beautifully presented
539
00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:23,094
explosions
and machine-gun fire,
540
00:23:23,129 --> 00:23:26,598
we actually have shown
a lot more of American culture,
541
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,901
American history than maybe
people have noticed.
542
00:23:29,952 --> 00:23:32,620
The dynamic between
men and women
543
00:23:32,655 --> 00:23:34,406
was highlighted
in a number of different ways.
544
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,642
I come from a country where women
already have the right to vote.
545
00:23:37,676 --> 00:23:40,061
Well, in this country,
546
00:23:40,096 --> 00:23:43,598
we're simply trying to protect women
from the hard truths of life.
547
00:23:43,649 --> 00:23:46,918
By denying them the right to
take a meaningful part in it?
548
00:23:46,952 --> 00:23:50,638
I would hope that
people really appreciate
549
00:23:50,689 --> 00:23:54,776
that world
of early 20th century
550
00:23:54,810 --> 00:23:57,462
African-American history
that was explored.
551
00:23:57,464 --> 00:23:59,764
How we worked
with each other
552
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,400
and how we interacted
with the white community.
553
00:24:02,435 --> 00:24:06,237
- Chalky White, the proprietor.
- Welcome.
554
00:24:06,272 --> 00:24:08,156
I'ma shout out
to chicken bone beach.
555
00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:13,261
My hope always is that
we are delivering
556
00:24:13,295 --> 00:24:17,449
smart, dark entertainment
for adults.
557
00:24:23,389 --> 00:24:28,443
Thou hast fulfilled
the judgment of the wicked!
558
00:24:29,578 --> 00:24:31,813
Part of doing a gangster show,
559
00:24:31,864 --> 00:24:34,449
sadly, is that characters die.
560
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,301
And when characters die,
561
00:24:36,335 --> 00:24:38,920
the boss has to call the actor
portraying that character
562
00:24:38,954 --> 00:24:40,972
to tell them that they're
written off the show.
563
00:24:41,023 --> 00:24:43,441
I was lying in bed next to
my girlfriend at 1:00 in the morning
564
00:24:43,476 --> 00:24:47,412
and I got the sides and I turned to
her and I was like, "yeah, I die."
565
00:24:47,446 --> 00:24:49,531
She was like, "what do you mean?"
She goes, "does it say that?"
566
00:24:49,582 --> 00:24:52,150
I go, "no, it doesn't say it.
I just know I die."
567
00:24:52,152 --> 00:24:53,568
A couple of days later,
568
00:24:53,619 --> 00:24:56,721
I got a message on my phone
saying, "can you call Terry?"
569
00:24:56,755 --> 00:24:58,756
And that's the phone call
everyone knows.
570
00:24:58,808 --> 00:25:00,542
So I was like,
"I definitely die."
571
00:25:00,576 --> 00:25:03,445
He goes, "Mike, you know, it's that
inevitable call that I hate making."
572
00:25:03,496 --> 00:25:05,113
I says,
"how does he go?"
573
00:25:05,147 --> 00:25:09,050
He says, "trust me. It's going
to be beautiful and graceful."
574
00:25:09,084 --> 00:25:11,136
I said,
"that's all I can ask."
575
00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:15,006
I think Terry felt worse
for me than I did.
576
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,276
He said, "it's just the way
we were moving the script."
577
00:25:18,278 --> 00:25:21,913
I said, "okay, thank you.
I appreciate it," you know.
578
00:25:21,947 --> 00:25:24,999
And I drank two bottles of
scotch and a gallon of...
579
00:25:25,050 --> 00:25:27,519
No, I didn't do any of that.
580
00:25:27,553 --> 00:25:29,904
When I called Bob Clohessy,
581
00:25:29,939 --> 00:25:32,640
who played ward boss Jim Neary,
582
00:25:32,675 --> 00:25:34,592
I said,
"Bob, it's Terry Winter."
583
00:25:34,627 --> 00:25:36,511
He said,
"oh, I guess I'm dead."
584
00:25:36,545 --> 00:25:39,030
I've always been a little
worried that he's gonna say,
585
00:25:39,081 --> 00:25:42,083
"I think now,
you know, finally,
586
00:25:42,117 --> 00:25:44,285
it's time that
you made this call."
587
00:25:44,336 --> 00:25:45,970
But fortunately
that has not happened.
588
00:25:46,021 --> 00:25:47,805
One day I did get a message
589
00:25:47,857 --> 00:25:50,275
from Terry Winter's
assistant saying...
590
00:25:50,309 --> 00:25:54,045
Asking if I could call back,
and he never called.
591
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:55,580
And I was like,
"oh, okay."
592
00:25:55,614 --> 00:25:59,033
I remember one time
I didn't answer my phone
593
00:25:59,068 --> 00:26:01,836
and I get a, "hey, it's Terry.
Give me a shout."
594
00:26:01,887 --> 00:26:04,088
And I turn to my wife
and I said,
595
00:26:04,090 --> 00:26:06,424
"it's been a nice run.
It's done."
596
00:26:06,458 --> 00:26:08,042
Before I phoned him back,
597
00:26:08,093 --> 00:26:12,564
I told my husband, you know,
"I think that's us done."
598
00:26:12,598 --> 00:26:15,650
And I think I held the phone,
like, "hey, Terry"...
599
00:26:15,684 --> 00:26:17,185
Went in my upper register,
"how you doing?"
600
00:26:17,236 --> 00:26:19,988
And I called back and it was
something completely...
601
00:26:20,022 --> 00:26:22,156
I think he was inviting me
to something.
602
00:26:22,191 --> 00:26:24,509
I think he said, "you know,
listen, we'll do a steak."
603
00:26:24,543 --> 00:26:25,877
Why don't we get a steak?"
604
00:26:25,928 --> 00:26:28,680
"Yeah,
a steak would be great, man."
605
00:26:28,714 --> 00:26:30,999
"You all right?" "Yeah, yeah.
I'm good. I'm good."
606
00:26:31,033 --> 00:26:34,219
I don't think he had any idea,
you know, what...
607
00:26:34,253 --> 00:26:37,539
What was happening at the
other end of the phone.
608
00:26:37,573 --> 00:26:40,191
I wasn't sure, actually,
609
00:26:40,193 --> 00:26:41,826
whether I was gonna go or not.
610
00:26:41,877 --> 00:26:43,661
I may not be able to be
killed by a bullet,
611
00:26:43,712 --> 00:26:45,413
but I could certainly
be killed by the pen.
612
00:26:45,447 --> 00:26:49,017
Vinnie Piazza and, you know,
Stephen Graham would say,
613
00:26:49,068 --> 00:26:51,269
"well, you can't kill me,
I'm Al Capone, I'm Lucky Luciano."
614
00:26:51,271 --> 00:26:53,771
And I said, you know, "until we
do the episode where we reveal"
615
00:26:53,822 --> 00:26:58,109
that you're actually an imposter and
the real Al Capone comes in and..."
616
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,228
I kind of was met
with these blank looks.
617
00:27:00,262 --> 00:27:02,530
There have been a couple of
times when I arrived to set
618
00:27:02,565 --> 00:27:05,934
and one of these scripts
that I'm not allowed to read,
619
00:27:05,985 --> 00:27:07,569
I'm certain of it,
there have been
620
00:27:07,603 --> 00:27:10,788
some dead Mickey Doyles in there
that have been rewritten.
621
00:27:10,823 --> 00:27:14,709
Could you ask him
to put the gun away?
622
00:27:15,911 --> 00:27:17,629
Please?
623
00:27:21,634 --> 00:27:23,477
The first rule of
show business is to get off
624
00:27:23,478 --> 00:27:25,320
the stage while
people still want more
625
00:27:25,354 --> 00:27:27,238
and I think we're there.
626
00:27:28,674 --> 00:27:30,908
It's really bittersweet
627
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,696
because it's been such a huge
part of my life for five years.
628
00:27:34,747 --> 00:27:37,131
You must please come this way.
629
00:27:37,182 --> 00:27:39,417
You can just feel it
in the air on set
630
00:27:39,468 --> 00:27:42,353
that it's, you know,
very intense and very emotional.
631
00:27:42,388 --> 00:27:44,539
I am really sad about it,
632
00:27:44,573 --> 00:27:47,792
but I'm incredibly grateful
that I got to experience this
633
00:27:47,826 --> 00:27:49,677
in the trajectory
of my own career.
634
00:27:49,712 --> 00:27:52,196
I'm gonna miss it.
It's been such a great ride.
635
00:27:52,247 --> 00:27:53,998
All good things, you know?
636
00:27:54,033 --> 00:27:55,984
You look up and five years...
637
00:27:56,035 --> 00:27:58,903
Five years of your life.
The end of an era.
638
00:28:01,924 --> 00:28:04,993
It's part of your life
and it's been good.
639
00:28:05,027 --> 00:28:07,412
Could be worse.
640
00:28:07,446 --> 00:28:10,481
The ability to tell
the story over 56 hours
641
00:28:10,516 --> 00:28:12,550
gave us the incredible luxury
642
00:28:12,552 --> 00:28:15,203
of being able to explore
our characters,
643
00:28:15,254 --> 00:28:17,021
their relationships
to one another, obviously,
644
00:28:17,056 --> 00:28:20,241
and as a storyteller,
this is as good as it gets.
645
00:28:25,193 --> 00:28:31,014
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