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-[engine rumbling]
-[machinery whirring]
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curious music
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[man]
Well, I know my wife's been
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looking around
for something special.
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After all, it's been
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a few years
since I bought her a diamond.
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[woman]
This is a half hoop.
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Of course, the diamond content
in the full hoop
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is much greater.
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Was it a half hoop
or a full hoop
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your wife had in mind?
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[man] I think she'd prefer
the full hoop.
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Most women do.
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[Jane]
Mary, have you seen these?
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[Mary]
Jane, those are diamonds.
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I know. Aren't they gorgeous?
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And it is your birthday
quite soon.
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Well...
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[man] It's always worth
showing an expensive piece
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from the top end
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even if it doesn't sell
for some time.
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You know, what you might call
an aspirational piece.
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Uh, so what's the point
of attracting people
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with an item
they can't afford to buy?
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Because they'll tend to spend
more on what they choose to buy.
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[whirring]
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[dial clicking]
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[man]
Well, this is the one I like,
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but why is it nearly twice
the price of this one?
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[woman] The value of a diamond
depends on four characteristics.
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The larger the diamond,
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the rarer it is,
the better the color,
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the more valuable it is.
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The greater the clarity,
the more beautiful it is.
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However,
it's the quality of the cut
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that gives the diamond
its brilliance.
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-[man] What about that one?
-[man 2] A very fine stone.
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Remarkably few inclusions.
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Yes, well, internal
characteristics are only
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really visible
through the loupe.
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Beautiful clarity.
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[whirring]
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[man]
And, of course,
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you don't see
the high dispersion you get
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with simulated stones.
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It is a diamond, then?
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atmospheric music
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I like so much idea
about synthetic diamonds.
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It is much more cheaper
than natural stones.
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And also, they looks better.
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[interviewer] But if a diamond
can be produced in a laboratory,
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of the same or better quality,
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for much, much cheaper,
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why should we still
mine for diamonds?
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Uh, that's...
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I can tell you only this is
a good question. [laughs]
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Some people want something that
really belongs to the earth,
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something what is made by God,
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not made in the... some lab.
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What do you think about this?
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dramatic music
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[Martin Rapaport]
Let me tell you a story, right?
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When I started
in the diamond business, um,
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and I was knocking on doors,
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my mother gave me $5,000 cash.
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I said, "Mom, I don't want
to take your money."
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She says, "I don't want you
to spend the money.
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I want you to put it
in your pocket.
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You'll talk differently
if you have
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$5,000 in your pocket."
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That's what she said to me.
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You wear something
that's valuable
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and you know it's valuable,
you strut differently.
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You feel different.
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Your sense of confidence,
your sense of who you are,
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is different.
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The real thing has...
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brings with it a certain sense
of "I know it's real."
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You could have a Picasso
in your house--
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it's a lithograph,
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and maybe no one knows that
it's not the real thing,
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but you do.
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[interviewer]
When I tell people
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I'm gonna sit down
with Martin Rapaport,
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what I usually say is,
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"This is the most famous person
in the diamond industry.
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He sets the prices of diamonds."
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Oh, I don't set the prices.
I report the prices.
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It's like the weatherman.
I don't make the weather.
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I let you know
what the weather is.
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-No.
-Why?
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Because I don't think that...
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I don't legitimize a product
that I believe is gonna be seen
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as one of the most illegitimate
products in the 21st century.
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-When was 9/11?
-2001.
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Yeah. So, in 2003,
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I made a conference in New York
about synthetic diamonds.
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[man] This is what the,
uh, machine looks like.
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And when we apply the pressure
and the temperature
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to this core, the... Whoa!
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[Rapaport] Synthetic diamonds
were not that new,
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but the ability to create
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gem-quality
synthetic diamonds was.
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Visually, even to the most
experienced gemologist,
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they may be indistinguishable
from natural diamond.
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[murmuring]
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[man]
It's a big problem for all of us
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because it's already
on the market.
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It's already here.
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What are we going to do?
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[Rapaport]
A synthetic diamond
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will be produced
and reproduced with machines
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until supply exceeds demand.
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The consumer is used to
having technology
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bring them products
they otherwise couldn't afford.
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Simple as that.
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A diamond is a diamond.
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Are you crazy?
The wedding ring is a sign
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of ultimate commitment and love,
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and the woman doesn't
just think it's worth,
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I don't know, $80 or 120...
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"Put it on a scale,
and that's our marriage."
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No, no, no, not at all.
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The diamond's actually
a symbol of commitment.
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It has to be expensive.
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It has to have value.
Has to retain value.
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The woman projects
the value of the diamond
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onto herself.
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"He's giving me something
of great value
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because he values me greatly."
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He thinks she thinks,
"Oh, this is like a diamond.
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I just got a better deal
'cause it's man-made."
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They're suckers.
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Because eventually,
what's going to happen?
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They're gonna come back
in ten years,
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and they'll say,
"Oh, what's it worth?
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What's my marriage worth?
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What's my relationship worth?"
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dramatic music
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[Aja Raden]
I just think the idea of
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"is it real or isn't it real"
is so absurd.
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I was at a birthday party
in Paris,
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and the woman sitting next me,
she smiled and said, "So,
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what kind of jewelry
do you design?"
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I was like, "Um, well,
actually, I designed that.
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I designed
your engagement ring."
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And she said,
"You design engagement rings?"
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And I said, "No, I designed
your engagement ring."
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And her husband immediately
asked me what all men ask.
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They ask about the price.
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"Tell me the truth.
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Well, how much
should it have cost?"
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He just kept saying,
"Tell me the truth."
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And I said, "You want the truth?
Do you want to know the truth?
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The truth about diamonds is
they're all exactly the same
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and none of them are
really worth anything."
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And then, ultimately,
I was like,
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"Do you know what
a diamond cartel is?"
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[Raden]
Mm-hmm.
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People want a variety of things.
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None of them are particularly
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about romance or true love.
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suspenseful music
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[snarls]
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People want things
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because they've been told
to want them.
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And De Beers has convinced
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hundreds of millions of people
over almost a century
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so effectively
that they want a diamond.
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And the way they did it
was by inventing a product--
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they called it
an engagement ring--
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that would hold these
little white diamonds,
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which were
the least desirable kind.
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But before that,
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nobody really wanted them,
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and this was just a way to get
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the new emerging middle class
of America
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after World War II to buy them.
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So, what is a diamond?
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What's a stone worth?
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Why do people want
what they want?
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And in this case,
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the answer is:
because they've been told to.
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That must've set you back a bit.
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Not really.
About two months' salary.
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Not much for something
that's forever.
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[announcer]
A diamond is forever.
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[Raden]
De Beers invented
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a way to sell them to people.
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People want the thing,
the best thing,
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and they've convinced them
that that's a diamond
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and nothing else.
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[reporter] De Beers is
the diamond business,
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and this building is
where they control
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the world diamond trade.
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curious music
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By buying up most of
the world's uncut diamonds,
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the company can regulate supply
to select dealers...
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...increasing it in good years
and reducing it in bad
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to keep prices high.
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[reporter 2]
A century after it began,
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the diamond cartel
still controls the production,
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the marketing and the pricing of
rough diamonds around the world.
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[Raden]
It's impossible to say
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factual statements about
De Beers without sounding...
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...judgmental.
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[reporter 2]
Its monopolistic control
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violates U.S. antitrust laws,
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but the cartel has successfully
kept its executives
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beyond the reach
of American justice.
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[man]
Well, until there's
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a major crack in the market,
the cartel will survive
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simply because
it is too powerful.
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[Raden] And that's fine,
because it's not
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about anything important;
it's about diamonds.
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De Beers executives are nervous
about all of this.
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They would not allow themselves
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to be interviewed
for 60 Minutes.
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[Raden]
Then again,
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it's very important
because it's moved capital
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across continents
for about 100 years.
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-[birds chirping]
-[insects trilling]
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[engine rumbling]
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"Serena e Lomunno"
by Riz Ortolani
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[Stephen Lussier]
History has always been
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part of the diamond world.
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The generation
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that preceded me within De Beers
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who would've, you know,
locked the front door,
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and nobody in, thank you.
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[interviewer] This interview
would not have happened.
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No, I don't think so.
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De Beers was controlled by
the Oppenheimers since really
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sort of the 1920s.
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But they're all gone,
and, well, I'm still there,
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so I carry on with the mission.
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Yeah, you know,
it helps in life to be lucky.
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There must have been
something ordained
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in the way I ended up.
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Some say, "What's your job,
then, Stephen?"
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Oh, well, you know,
in a way, my job is to
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inspire, I guess,
each generation
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with this extraordinary story
of the diamond.
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People don't know, huh,
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a diamond is like
three billion years old.
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Older than life.
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Some of them older
than stars in the sky.
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You can't make that.
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Yeah, we can synthesize carbon,
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but in reality,
we can't make what a diamond is.
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We can't make something
which is a billion years old
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that connects us
to the formation of the world.
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We can't make something where
every one is inherently unique.
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And we can't make something
that has an intrinsic rarity
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and preciousness to it.
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And the one thing that
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waried us a lot about
lab-grown diamonds
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is if they were marketed
in a way that pretended
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that they had the values
of a real diamond.
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playful music
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We're in the period
of misinformation.
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Well, confusion.
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People aren't quite sure
what it is or what it isn't,
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but, um, it's only
an existential threat
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if-if we somehow damage
the relationship
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that consumers have
with what a diamond really is.
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You know, there are
some ways to make it
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more difficult
for existing technology,
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but it doesn't mean that
there aren't solutions.
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We have a responsibility
to detect them.
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The question becomes:
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What type of technology
do you need to do so?
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Detection I'm not fussed about,
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because I know
what De Beers can do.
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dramatic music
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intriguing music
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[wind whistling]
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[John Janik]
Do you perceive aluminum
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as being a valuable material?
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-[interviewer] Personally?
-Personally.
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-Aluminum?
-Aluminum.
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-Negative.
-No.
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Do you know that
there's an aluminum
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little obelisk on top
of the Washington Monument?
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Because aluminum, at the time
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that the Washington Monument
was built,
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was some of the most
expensive material out there.
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It was really hard
to put together.
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You know, it was, like, a feat
that they had done this.
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And then,
like a couple years later,
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somebody comes up with a process
to mass-produce aluminum,
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and now it's dirt cheap.
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So, what was once, you know,
really coveted and valuable
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is just a commodity
that we throw away.
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You know, diamond's
gonna be the same.
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[woman] John Janik,
he is a Carnegie fellow
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from the Carnegie Institution.
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Okay, so here you have these,
um, synthetic diamonds.
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-Mm-hmm.
-And you actually, uh...
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you like to call them
cultured diamonds.
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You took them
to the Diamond District--
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the real one--
not too far from here,
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and they couldn't tell
the difference.
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-[Janik] Not-not... not a bit.
-Not a bit.
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And they appraised them
for basically
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what natural diamonds
would go for?
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That's right--
for wholesale prices.
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My PhD was in making crystals
of different materials.
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I would make rubies,
which is aluminum oxide
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with a little bit
of chromium in it.
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I made exotic uranium compounds.
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I made these materials,
and then I went
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and studied their properties.
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A crystal is just
a repeating structure of atoms.
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So, if you have a carbon
and a carbon and a carbon
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in a repeating pattern,
that's a diamond crystal.
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We can actually make diamonds
that are more perfect
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than natural diamonds.
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We can grow
about a carat per day.
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[woman]
But it will be cheaper, though.
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-That's the whole point.
-You can't tell the difference.
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So, if you can't tell
the difference, John, then this
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inevitably has to hurt
the diamond market out there.
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You mean these things
have value? I...
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-I had no idea.
-[laughing]
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[car horns honking]
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[Rapaport]
You got to understand,
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the sale of synthetic diamonds
as diamond engagement rings
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is a fundamental violation
of the ethics
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of the diamond industry,
in my opinion.
331
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[interviewer] But is-is it
just about the money?
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'Cause, you know, that's...
333
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You-you're hurting people
where it counts.
334
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You're kicking them
in their emotional,
335
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"I love you," commitment spot.
336
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This is terrible,
terrible, terrible!
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[laughs]
I mean, come on.
338
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If I want to rip you off,
fine, rip me off.
339
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Why rip me off
with what I gave my wife?
340
00:17:18,537 --> 00:17:22,458
There's a story of a guy who was
selling treated diamonds--
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it's called
the Yehuda treatment--
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00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:26,754
but he charged everyone
a-a lot less.
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suspenseful music
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But when the women found out
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that their diamonds
were treated,
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there was a line
around the block
347
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and around the block
and around the block
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to try to return the diamonds.
349
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The women, they felt
so cheated and so angry,
350
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and this guy, he gave everybody
the money till he had no money.
351
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Then he drank jewelry cleaner
and killed himself.
352
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And he didn't steal... he didn't
rip 'em off, theoretically.
353
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It wasn't about the money.
354
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It was the failure
to disclose it.
355
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Look, I don't know
what's gonna happen.
356
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Right?
But in ten years from now,
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there's an extremely great
likelihood
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that people are gonna
look back and say,
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00:18:08,670 --> 00:18:10,589
"That diamond industry!
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They sold that stuff!
361
00:18:12,966 --> 00:18:15,636
And it wasn't worth
the price I paid at all!
362
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What did they do to me?"
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00:18:16,804 --> 00:18:18,138
And how is the woman gonna feel
364
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if she projects the value
of the diamond
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00:18:20,057 --> 00:18:21,475
onto herself subconsciously?
366
00:18:21,517 --> 00:18:23,811
How is she gonna feel
about her diamond?
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intriguing music
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[Raden]
Let's say someone sees my ring
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and says, "Is that real?"
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00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:31,902
Am I gonna say
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yes or no?
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No woman who thought
she could get away with it
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has ever, ever said,
"No, it's fake."
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00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:50,295
Okay, but is
a diamond a diamond?
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00:18:50,337 --> 00:18:52,214
[interviewer]
What do you mean?
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[Raden]
I mean synthetic diamonds
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have leaked into
the natural diamond market.
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00:18:56,343 --> 00:18:58,095
[interviewer]
Really?
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[Raden]
There saying one percent, maybe,
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in the form of melee--
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these teeny, teeny,
tiny diamonds
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that are sold in parcels.
383
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It's more like 20%.
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00:19:06,353 --> 00:19:08,897
And nobody's even saying
what percent
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of larger stones are lab-grown.
386
00:19:15,737 --> 00:19:18,073
But for the diamond,
not for the synthetic diamond.
387
00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,075
The diamond was never real,
either.
388
00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:22,536
The diamond was always a lie.
389
00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:25,581
So the synthetic diamond
is just a lie about a lie,
390
00:19:25,622 --> 00:19:29,668
which I happen to think
is hilarious
391
00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:31,879
and sort of delightful.
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00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:34,798
And one could argue
that synthetic diamonds,
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if what you're looking for is
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a really colorless,
flawless one-- no nitrogen,
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no nothing-- they can be made
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like nature intended
but never quite managed.
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tense music
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Every stone.
399
00:21:00,008 --> 00:21:02,427
Yeah. Yeah.
400
00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:11,395
This is really a problem,
you know?
401
00:21:23,198 --> 00:21:25,492
Two, three months before this,
402
00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:29,955
we publish that we found like
five percent stones mixed,
403
00:21:29,997 --> 00:21:32,165
you know, so...
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00:21:36,044 --> 00:21:38,922
[Simic] They would say,
"If De Beers says,
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00:21:38,964 --> 00:21:42,509
'In the thousands of the stones,
we didn't found one stone,'
406
00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:46,847
then... the synthetics
is not a problem."
407
00:21:46,888 --> 00:21:50,225
Like, uh, "It doesn't matter."
408
00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:05,198
So, where are those stones?
409
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,950
dramatic music
410
00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:24,551
[announcement plays
over speaker in Mandarin]
411
00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:57,459
No one will say, "I'm mixing
and I'm selling," of course.
412
00:22:57,501 --> 00:23:00,379
No one told me this,
but then they are saying,
413
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,381
"Everybody are mixing
414
00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:05,217
if they can get the stones
from China."
415
00:23:08,845 --> 00:23:11,598
[birds chirping]
416
00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:19,856
[machinery whirring]
417
00:23:19,898 --> 00:23:21,691
dramatic music
418
00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:27,781
[low rumbling]
419
00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:32,786
[rapid clanking]
420
00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:36,957
[machinery whirring
and clanking]
421
00:23:48,343 --> 00:23:50,971
[jackhammering]
422
00:24:09,364 --> 00:24:11,533
[whooshing]
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00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,785
[sizzling]
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00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:07,714
-[Simic] Wow. Wow.
-[man chuckling]
425
00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:10,425
Mm-hmm. Okay.
426
00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:21,436
At the beginning,
427
00:25:21,478 --> 00:25:24,147
the quality was, uh...
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00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:26,024
was, uh, problematic.
429
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:45,043
Who is, who is buying
these stones?
430
00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,420
Where they are
selling these stones?
431
00:26:32,841 --> 00:26:36,094
-[traffic rumbling]
-[distant sirens]
432
00:26:38,388 --> 00:26:41,433
Look, we don't really
sell diamonds.
433
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:44,144
We sell the idea
behind the diamonds.
434
00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:46,271
And what's going on
with these synthetic guys,
435
00:26:46,313 --> 00:26:50,150
th-they're like parasites
getting under our skin,
436
00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:51,901
and they're trying to steal
the diamond dream.
437
00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,653
That's what they're really
trying to do.
438
00:26:53,695 --> 00:26:55,739
They're trying
to steal the diamond dream.
439
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,491
But if they steal
the diamond dream,
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00:26:58,533 --> 00:27:01,578
if they burn the diamonds
down to the core,
441
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,164
if they destroy
the basic customer base
442
00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:05,999
for buying diamonds
443
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:08,918
as the ultimate symbol
of committed love,
444
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,379
now they've destroyed
the whole idea.
445
00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,674
And that's the challenge that
we face in the diamond industry.
446
00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:20,597
A young girl...
447
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:22,849
[quiet, indistinct chatter]
448
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:26,269
[Rapaport]
...thinks about life
449
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:29,272
and her future and what's
going to happen to her.
450
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:34,361
And she imagines one day
she will fall in love.
451
00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:36,571
And she'll get married.
452
00:27:36,613 --> 00:27:40,533
And that person
will give her a diamond.
453
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:42,285
And so the diamond dream
is about:
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00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:45,413
What will life bring me?
455
00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:47,624
What greatness? What happiness?
456
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:49,709
What's gonna happen to me?
457
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:52,629
As a ten-year-old girl, even.
458
00:27:54,881 --> 00:27:57,842
The diamond dream
is about relationships.
459
00:27:57,884 --> 00:28:01,554
The human condition
is about relationships.
460
00:28:01,596 --> 00:28:04,974
We don't want to die alone.
461
00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:12,357
I think the diamond...
you know, the-the words, huh,
462
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,860
"a diamond dream," um,
463
00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:18,405
were probably something
I just thought up, huh?
464
00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:21,366
playful music
465
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,076
-[bells clanging]
-[mooing]
466
00:28:25,995 --> 00:28:28,540
But actually, it existed
long before De Beers.
467
00:28:28,581 --> 00:28:31,960
You know, it goes well back
to the Duke of Burgundy,
468
00:28:32,001 --> 00:28:34,003
apparently, according to legend,
469
00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:37,507
who gave the first
diamond betrothal ring.
470
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:41,010
No marketer told him
to do so, huh?
471
00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:44,347
And that core reason he did it
is as true today
472
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:46,516
as it was then, which is that
473
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:51,479
he was seeking to send
this symbol to his future wife
474
00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:53,773
that she was precious to him
475
00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:56,192
and that this moment
that they were marking
476
00:28:56,234 --> 00:28:57,610
was something precious.
477
00:28:57,652 --> 00:28:59,112
No, because diamond cutting
478
00:28:59,154 --> 00:29:01,114
had just been perfected
in Bruges
479
00:29:01,156 --> 00:29:04,534
and he wanted Bruges as part
of a multinational land deal
480
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:07,662
that involved marrying
Mary of Burgundy.
481
00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:09,456
God, I wish people in history
482
00:29:09,497 --> 00:29:11,833
were named something
other than Mary.
483
00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:14,878
And I would assume
he knows that-- maybe--
484
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:18,214
but, no, it wasn't 'cause
it was a precious object.
485
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:20,341
It was a token, for sure.
486
00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:23,845
And he didn't give it to her;
he gave it to her father.
487
00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:25,764
[interviewer]
And-and the point being?
488
00:29:25,805 --> 00:29:29,142
The point being
that that story is bunk.
489
00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:30,685
Or...
490
00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:32,312
it's what you make out of it.
491
00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:33,730
It's kind of like a diamond.
492
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:35,815
It's an ugly rock
that if you cut enough
493
00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:37,650
reflective windows into it,
494
00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:40,445
it looks like something else.
495
00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:43,531
The 92-carat D color flawless,
496
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:45,492
heart-shaped diamond and pearl,
497
00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:47,827
the largest
D color flawless heart
498
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:49,245
to be offered for sale
at auction...
499
00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:52,165
[Raden]
Like, those large diamonds,
500
00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:54,751
those famous diamonds,
501
00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,545
they act like it's
a once-in-a-lifetime find,
502
00:29:57,587 --> 00:29:59,506
and yet, every time you look,
503
00:29:59,547 --> 00:30:04,344
Sotheby's or Christie's
is auctioning another one.
504
00:30:04,385 --> 00:30:07,972
It's the largest D flawless
diamond to ever come to market.
505
00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:12,268
It is the largest emerald cut
ever offered at auction.
506
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:14,312
[Raden]
But the truth is there are
507
00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:16,856
a lot of diamonds waiting
for the company
508
00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:21,820
to have a good reason
to have a miraculous find,
509
00:30:21,861 --> 00:30:25,698
and then someone-- let's say...
510
00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:28,701
someone with a skill set
very much like mine--
511
00:30:28,743 --> 00:30:32,872
would be hired
under nondisclosure terms
512
00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:37,085
to spin a sort of fantasy
513
00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:39,712
about how
this diamond was found.
514
00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:43,591
The story that I'm about
to tell you surpasses all those
515
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:45,552
that nourish my memory.
516
00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:49,389
Never shall I forget the miracle
of the Queen of Kalahari.
517
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:50,890
[Raden]
It has to be the right name
518
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:52,392
and the right story.
519
00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:54,853
They have origin stories,
like superheroes.
520
00:30:54,894 --> 00:30:57,438
[narrator] In the clouded
mountains of Africa,
521
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,400
an incredible treasure
was discovered.
522
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:02,944
It was an abandoned section
of the mine,
523
00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:04,779
and it was just about
to be closed down.
524
00:31:04,821 --> 00:31:06,823
[narrator 2]
A miner found
525
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:09,909
something glistening,
and with a penknife,
526
00:31:09,951 --> 00:31:11,327
he picked it out.
527
00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:13,079
We weren't sure
what it was, and...
528
00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,164
[narrator 2] He took it
to his surface manager,
529
00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:16,916
who looked at
this great big lump
530
00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:19,210
and threw it out the window,
saying,
531
00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:20,587
"It's a piece of rock crystal."
532
00:31:20,628 --> 00:31:22,088
And then, as we were taking
533
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:24,090
one last look at it
in the setting sun,
534
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:27,218
we saw something glinting,
and...
535
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:30,388
The miner retrieved it,
and they looked at it again
536
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:34,684
and realized that it was
a 3,106-carat
537
00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,561
rough diamond.
538
00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:39,522
Lo and behold, it's this giant,
beautiful diamond
539
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,441
that will then
be marketed with, you know,
540
00:31:41,482 --> 00:31:44,485
vistas of a sunset
with something that makes them
541
00:31:44,527 --> 00:31:48,072
think of Africa,
as though Africa isn't
542
00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:52,285
a gigantic continent comprised
of dozens of countries,
543
00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:54,162
most of which have nothing
to do with diamonds.
544
00:31:54,203 --> 00:31:56,748
Welcome to the Karowe mine!
545
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:59,083
[Raden]
But the truth is
546
00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:00,919
it got pulled out by a bulldozer
547
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,256
in a pile of dirt and waste,
548
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:06,758
and that is how
it was discovered.
549
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,135
-Sold!
-[applause]
550
00:32:09,177 --> 00:32:11,512
So it's like every origin story.
551
00:32:11,554 --> 00:32:14,432
It's been... embroidered.
552
00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:23,232
intriguing music
553
00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:32,075
[Janik] The whole concept
of-of romantic love
554
00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:34,118
is actually a fairly new concept
555
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,454
that's probably
less than 150 years old,
556
00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:39,624
let alone giving
these expensive gifts
557
00:32:39,666 --> 00:32:41,459
as-as a token of-of that love.
558
00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:44,504
That's even newer.
That's 100 years old.
559
00:32:44,545 --> 00:32:46,255
[interviewer]
John, it is your business.
560
00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:48,216
[Janik]
It is my business. Yeah.
561
00:32:48,257 --> 00:32:49,509
But you don't have to buy
somebody's story.
562
00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:51,302
You don't have to buy
the marketing.
563
00:32:51,886 --> 00:32:54,514
I was that kid that would,
like, ask questions like,
564
00:32:54,555 --> 00:32:56,224
"If we're all descendant
565
00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:59,477
from Adam and Eve, how-how come
we're not all inbred?"
566
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,187
And, you know,
567
00:33:01,229 --> 00:33:03,189
the answers I would get
from adults were:
568
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:06,025
"Shut up. You don't ask
questions like that."
569
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,735
And I realized as a little kid,
570
00:33:07,777 --> 00:33:09,278
if adults don't have
good answers
571
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,780
for these questions,
they don't know
572
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:12,323
what the fuck
they're talking about.
573
00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:15,994
So my fundamental belief
is that the value of diamond
574
00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:19,205
is in its technological
capability.
575
00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,708
Diamond has the same
transformative potential
576
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,793
that silicon did have,
577
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:28,047
and I do think that probably
within 15 to 20 years
578
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:31,384
we'll see amazingly fast
diamond transistors
579
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:34,345
in a lot of
our personal devices.
580
00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:36,014
Five...
581
00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:37,640
But we don't think
of it that way.
582
00:33:37,682 --> 00:33:40,893
We think of it as a gemstone,
so, you know,
583
00:33:40,935 --> 00:33:44,147
I got to do what I got to do,
which is
584
00:33:44,188 --> 00:33:48,484
make money by destroying
a gem industry
585
00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:51,863
to create a new industry
that I think is more valuable.
586
00:33:51,904 --> 00:33:53,906
You know, creative destruction.
587
00:33:53,948 --> 00:33:55,616
Isn't that... wasn't that Shiva?
588
00:33:55,658 --> 00:33:56,784
[interviewer laughs]
589
00:33:56,826 --> 00:33:59,078
[car horns honking]
590
00:34:03,624 --> 00:34:05,418
atmospheric music
591
00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:29,734
I mean, could be, could be
whatever, you know?
592
00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:31,778
dramatic music
593
00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:49,962
They are polishing whatever.
594
00:34:50,004 --> 00:34:53,341
You can send him...
what you have.
595
00:35:02,058 --> 00:35:04,811
[motorcycle engines buzzing]
596
00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,230
curious music
597
00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:16,989
Very, very secret.
598
00:35:17,031 --> 00:35:19,659
So, actually seeing...
599
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:20,952
You can't.
600
00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:24,038
[interviewer] And what are they
really scared about?
601
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,331
They are scared, you know...
602
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:44,517
Every day.
603
00:35:51,023 --> 00:35:53,276
...they have to go out.
604
00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:56,946
Legally. Or illegally.
605
00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:07,915
Because when are you a thief?
606
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:09,834
Only when you're caught.
607
00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:13,671
Until then,
you're an honest person.
608
00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:18,342
It's not synthetics
which is a problem.
609
00:36:30,813 --> 00:36:34,525
Yeah, it is fraud. It is fraud.
It is downright fraud.
610
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:39,530
Many, many sources
in the market.
611
00:36:55,379 --> 00:36:57,089
-[horns honking]
-[lively chatter]
612
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:14,106
Nobody can enter.
613
00:37:14,148 --> 00:37:16,400
[motorcycle engines buzzing]
614
00:37:23,699 --> 00:37:26,744
"Ho You Come Here Naughty Boy"
by Naheed Parvez
615
00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:28,579
singer vocalizing
616
00:38:25,219 --> 00:38:29,640
Come here, naughty boy
617
00:38:36,772 --> 00:38:40,901
Oh, you, come here
618
00:38:40,943 --> 00:38:45,323
Naughty boy, naughty boy
619
00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:53,122
Oh, you, come here
620
00:38:53,164 --> 00:38:56,667
Naughty boy, naughty boy...
621
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,306
singer vocalizing
622
00:39:25,988 --> 00:39:28,491
[interviewer] But they're in
the market mixed with naturals?
623
00:39:28,532 --> 00:39:30,659
Is that what he's saying?
624
00:39:30,701 --> 00:39:32,745
[man translating]
625
00:39:37,416 --> 00:39:40,753
Oh, you, come here...
626
00:39:56,268 --> 00:40:00,106
Oh, you, come here
627
00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:04,443
Naughty boy, naughty boy
628
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,612
song ends
629
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:30,052
[man] This edition
of International Diamond Week
630
00:40:30,094 --> 00:40:32,638
is taking place during
631
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,474
the most sensitive period
632
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:38,769
the world diamond industry
has ever known.
633
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:59,373
That's a tough, uh, thing to do.
634
00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:01,375
Both are real diamonds.
635
00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:03,127
You know? Both are
real diamonds. You know?
636
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:04,962
[Peter Meeus]
The polished diamond output
637
00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:07,506
of one dominant
synthetic rough producer
638
00:41:07,548 --> 00:41:10,009
is said to enter
the consumer market
639
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:12,178
largely undisclosed.
640
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:13,512
So winter is coming.
641
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:15,848
[machinery whirring]
642
00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:35,367
Everybody I know knows about it.
643
00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:40,080
-Zero.
-Because then they would
644
00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:43,709
start asking questions, and...
who benefits?
645
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,716
How? I mean, the police
don't have any clue.
646
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:53,052
You can't make out
the difference.
647
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:55,387
You need special equipment.
648
00:41:55,429 --> 00:41:57,389
There's always been mixing.
649
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:59,725
The problem is not the mixing.
650
00:41:59,767 --> 00:42:02,228
The problem is consumers
finding out about the mixing.
651
00:42:02,269 --> 00:42:05,564
As long as nobody found out,
nobody cares, right?
652
00:42:07,149 --> 00:42:08,943
Somebody sells me
a synthetic diamond,
653
00:42:08,984 --> 00:42:10,361
and I don't know it.
654
00:42:10,402 --> 00:42:12,238
Who was the crime
committed against?
655
00:42:12,279 --> 00:42:14,907
Was it committed against me?
656
00:42:15,741 --> 00:42:17,409
I wanted
657
00:42:17,451 --> 00:42:20,162
a diamond, and here I have one.
658
00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:22,331
So I'm happy.
659
00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:24,375
And if I don't know
the difference,
660
00:42:24,416 --> 00:42:26,418
the difference doesn't exist.
661
00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:45,771
You don't know.
662
00:42:46,939 --> 00:42:48,857
You don't know.
663
00:43:01,203 --> 00:43:03,789
intriguing music
664
00:43:07,835 --> 00:43:11,088
-[clicks mouse]
-[computer trilling]
665
00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:48,334
So it means there is
no simple identification.
666
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:50,836
Not simple, not fast.
667
00:43:50,878 --> 00:43:54,590
Doesn't exist and will
never exist, you know.
668
00:43:56,175 --> 00:43:58,510
uplifting music
669
00:44:05,059 --> 00:44:07,853
The International Institute
of Diamond Grading & Research
670
00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:10,439
is a very new, important
business for De Beers.
671
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:14,360
It's focused primarily currently
on selling detection equipment
672
00:44:14,401 --> 00:44:16,403
around the world.
673
00:44:22,076 --> 00:44:25,162
[woman] Welcome to
the new world of authenticity.
674
00:44:25,204 --> 00:44:27,706
[man] Alrosa Diamond Inspector
is a mini laboratory...
675
00:44:27,748 --> 00:44:29,667
[woman 2]
GIA's gem-testing device
676
00:44:29,708 --> 00:44:31,669
distinguishes natural diamonds
677
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:33,462
from laboratory-grown
diamonds...
678
00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:36,674
It comes with the fastest
and smartest technology ever.
679
00:44:36,715 --> 00:44:38,300
[computer voice]
Pass.
680
00:44:38,342 --> 00:44:40,052
[man 2] It's like your own
portable gemologist.
681
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:41,637
[woman 3] A person with
no technical knowledge
682
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,555
can easily learn
and operate the system.
683
00:44:43,597 --> 00:44:46,809
[woman 4] ...desktop instrument
is easy to operate.
684
00:44:46,850 --> 00:44:48,602
[beeping]
685
00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:58,028
[scoffs]
Come on. I was like, uh...
686
00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:02,950
All of us, small guys,
small labs, everything,
687
00:45:02,991 --> 00:45:07,079
will-will go, will go...
will be closed very soon.
688
00:45:16,672 --> 00:45:18,465
tense music
689
00:45:18,507 --> 00:45:21,468
[Raden] They only put the melee
through those machines.
690
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:22,928
Because its purpose
691
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:26,056
is not to subvert
any criminal activity.
692
00:45:26,098 --> 00:45:29,935
It's to make everyone else
feel safe so there's no panic.
693
00:45:29,977 --> 00:45:32,062
Security theater.
694
00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:47,619
Uh, surprise, your big diamond
might be fake, too,
695
00:45:47,661 --> 00:45:51,123
even if you have
that nice GIA certificate.
696
00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:52,875
What do you mean?
697
00:45:52,916 --> 00:45:55,878
I mean you might buy a diamond
with a GIA certificate
698
00:45:55,919 --> 00:45:59,131
telling you where it's from,
where it was mined,
699
00:45:59,173 --> 00:46:04,136
that it's a for-real, actual
and conflict-free diamond,
700
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,805
and the only thing that
you might be conflicted about
701
00:46:06,847 --> 00:46:08,932
is the fact that it's not.
702
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:14,188
Mm-hmm, and that certificate
is-is like a...
703
00:46:14,229 --> 00:46:15,856
it's like a bearer bond.
704
00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:18,150
If you have it,
you could have any...
705
00:46:18,192 --> 00:46:19,902
you could...
you could have a tennis ball
706
00:46:19,943 --> 00:46:23,739
and one of those certificates,
and if they match,
707
00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:27,117
you-you have to accept
that this tennis ball
708
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,078
is a really weird-looking
diamond.
709
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,747
So there's a whole
cottage industry
710
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:33,916
in making fake
birth certificates
711
00:46:33,957 --> 00:46:37,336
for "fake"
or lab-grown diamonds.
712
00:46:37,377 --> 00:46:38,796
intriguing music
713
00:46:51,391 --> 00:46:53,936
Well, that's why De Beers
ha-had to respond to that.
714
00:46:53,977 --> 00:46:56,146
'Cause we heard stories
of mixing.
715
00:46:56,188 --> 00:46:59,191
And-and it doesn't matter to me
whether it's, you know,
716
00:46:59,233 --> 00:47:02,027
a ten-carat diamond, you know,
worth half a million dollars
717
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:03,987
or whether it-it's
a one-pointer.
718
00:47:04,029 --> 00:47:06,365
The-the-the promise
you're making
719
00:47:06,406 --> 00:47:08,784
is that they're all
miracles of nature.
720
00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:16,708
The role diamonds play
are about marking
721
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:18,669
important moments in life
722
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:23,257
with something that is
intrinsically rare and precious.
723
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:26,635
And you can't make that.
724
00:47:26,677 --> 00:47:28,512
It's impossible.
725
00:47:28,554 --> 00:47:32,850
It's not about the money,
but it is about precious things,
726
00:47:32,891 --> 00:47:35,143
you know, do cost money.
727
00:47:35,185 --> 00:47:36,520
It's all greed.
728
00:47:36,562 --> 00:47:38,188
[interviewer]
What do you mean?
729
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:40,190
You know, if you want to make
money off of these mines,
730
00:47:40,232 --> 00:47:42,359
you got to pretend
like they're scarce.
731
00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:45,279
You know,
for many, many, many years,
732
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,032
people only found diamonds in
riverbeds and streams in India,
733
00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:51,201
but then, at some point,
734
00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:54,872
people found that there's these
deposits called kimberlites.
735
00:47:54,913 --> 00:47:57,165
You know, kimberlite pipes
are not rare.
736
00:47:57,207 --> 00:47:58,876
They're all over the world.
737
00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:00,919
And then they just started
mining 'em.
738
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,591
So the reality is
that diamond is
739
00:48:05,632 --> 00:48:08,427
one of the most common gemstones
on the face of the planet.
740
00:48:08,468 --> 00:48:11,013
But De Beers keeps them
741
00:48:11,054 --> 00:48:13,223
off to the side and says,
"No, we don't have 'em.
742
00:48:13,265 --> 00:48:14,975
We don't know what
you're talking about."
743
00:48:15,017 --> 00:48:16,810
And they control the prices.
744
00:48:16,852 --> 00:48:19,479
[Janik] They want you
to continue believing
745
00:48:19,521 --> 00:48:22,441
that your natural gemstone
is valuable and unique and rare
746
00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:25,277
and precious, just like
your love, but it's not.
747
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:27,946
It's-it's just like
everybody else's.
748
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:30,407
[man, translated]
These are diamonds.
749
00:48:30,449 --> 00:48:31,992
All of those bags,
750
00:48:32,034 --> 00:48:33,619
all the way to the ceiling,
are diamonds?
751
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:35,287
[man]
Yes.
752
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:36,830
[Chris Wallace]
And how many other rooms
753
00:48:36,872 --> 00:48:38,332
do you have like this?
754
00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:41,209
Oh, about, uh, 28 rooms.
755
00:48:41,251 --> 00:48:44,087
[Wallace] How many millions
of carats do you have down here?
756
00:48:44,129 --> 00:48:46,173
[man]
No, that is a commercial secret.
757
00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:49,468
So this is one of the last
great secrets of Russia?
758
00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:54,556
It's a secret for any
organization storing diamonds.
759
00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:56,141
[Raden]
There are enough
760
00:48:56,183 --> 00:48:58,310
for every man, woman
and child on the planet
761
00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:00,729
to have a half-carat
diamond ring,
762
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:02,272
with a half a billion
763
00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:04,232
carats left over.
764
00:49:04,274 --> 00:49:05,817
[chuckling]
There are a lot of diamonds.
765
00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:07,569
They're not scarce or rare.
766
00:49:07,611 --> 00:49:10,322
So I'm sorry you're asking
the only chick you got on film
767
00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:12,616
and I have nothing romantic
to say about it,
768
00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:14,534
but they are an economic good,
769
00:49:14,576 --> 00:49:16,328
and they put them
in ring holders.
770
00:49:18,413 --> 00:49:20,457
[Lussier]
Well, you know,
771
00:49:20,499 --> 00:49:22,376
we're probably past peak supply.
772
00:49:22,417 --> 00:49:24,252
[interviewer]
Yeah.
773
00:49:25,587 --> 00:49:28,382
[Lussier] It's fascinating
to me when I look back
774
00:49:28,423 --> 00:49:30,509
on how my life developed
the way it did,
775
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:32,052
because my first interaction
776
00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:34,429
with the world of diamonds
was actually
777
00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:37,599
well before I ever knew
that I would end up
778
00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:40,352
within De Beers or within the...
within the diamond world.
779
00:49:42,312 --> 00:49:45,273
You know, I grew up
in Schenectady, New York,
780
00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:48,360
the old headquarters
of General Electric,
781
00:49:48,402 --> 00:49:52,823
the early synthesizer
of industrial diamond.
782
00:49:52,864 --> 00:49:55,659
A scientist at General Electric,
Mr. Hall,
783
00:49:55,701 --> 00:49:57,244
he was the next-door neighbor.
784
00:49:57,285 --> 00:49:59,037
He'd give me five dollars
every time it snowed
785
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:00,872
to shovel his walk.
786
00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:04,668
[reporter] Dr. H. Tracy Hall
is a world-famous chemist.
787
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:07,879
He is one of the inventors
of the first practical process
788
00:50:07,921 --> 00:50:12,467
for making large quantities
of man-made diamonds.
789
00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:14,886
It was the sidewalk
from his front door
790
00:50:14,928 --> 00:50:17,681
and then across the street
that I had to do
791
00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:19,558
with my shovel.
792
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,226
And he'd come out and inspect it
793
00:50:21,268 --> 00:50:23,061
before he'd give me
the five-dollar bill.
794
00:50:23,103 --> 00:50:24,563
[interviewer laughs]
795
00:50:24,604 --> 00:50:26,398
[interviewer]
Do you remember Tracy Hall?
796
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,567
[Lussier] I remember him
as being scary. [laughs]
797
00:50:28,608 --> 00:50:32,029
[interviewer] That is one of
the most incredible stories.
798
00:50:32,070 --> 00:50:34,239
From shoveling
Tracy Hall's driveway
799
00:50:34,281 --> 00:50:36,408
to marrying an Oppenheimer.
800
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:39,244
I did think subsequently,
"What if I had left
801
00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:41,913
just a little bit more ice
on that pavement?" [chuckles]
802
00:50:41,955 --> 00:50:43,123
[interviewer]
Really?
803
00:50:43,165 --> 00:50:44,624
[Lussier]
Well, would we have had
804
00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:45,917
another couple of decades
805
00:50:45,959 --> 00:50:47,252
without synthesized diamond?
806
00:50:47,294 --> 00:50:48,211
[laughs]
807
00:50:48,253 --> 00:50:51,048
dramatic music
808
00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:53,133
[grunts, trumpets]
809
00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:55,385
[Raden]
I think the fact that
810
00:50:55,427 --> 00:50:57,763
the very top brass at De Beers
811
00:50:57,804 --> 00:51:00,599
sat in a room with you
and signed a release,
812
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,935
it's a sign
of incredible weakness.
813
00:51:03,977 --> 00:51:06,563
[birds chirping]
814
00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:10,609
Compared to five years ago,
there would be no interview.
815
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,527
There would never be
an interview.
816
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:14,404
There's a lot of reasons
for that.
817
00:51:14,446 --> 00:51:16,073
One of them is,
818
00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:19,451
if synthetic diamond jewelry
ever takes a big market share--
819
00:51:19,493 --> 00:51:21,620
which I think
it very well could--
820
00:51:21,661 --> 00:51:23,705
then it would end up
like cultured pearls.
821
00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:25,874
No one would remember
there was ever a difference
822
00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:28,585
between cultured diamonds
and not-cultured diamonds.
823
00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:31,421
I don't even bother
keeping them separate
824
00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,882
in my jewelry boxes.
825
00:51:48,396 --> 00:51:51,525
If you want people
to really absorb information,
826
00:51:51,566 --> 00:51:53,819
you need to be able
to tell it to them
827
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,196
in a way that is memorable.
828
00:51:56,238 --> 00:51:58,156
That's the definition
of a storyteller.
829
00:51:58,198 --> 00:52:00,700
[elephants grunting]
830
00:52:00,742 --> 00:52:03,662
Stories are the only way
in today's world
831
00:52:03,703 --> 00:52:08,291
people can absorb information
in any depth.
832
00:52:08,333 --> 00:52:11,962
In the old days,
it was more classic marketing.
833
00:52:12,003 --> 00:52:16,675
You know, I could buy NBC, CBS,
and you all saw it in a week.
834
00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:19,136
But now it's-it's more core.
835
00:52:19,177 --> 00:52:21,179
You need to take a step back.
836
00:52:21,221 --> 00:52:23,682
It's not about myths.
It's about truth.
837
00:52:23,723 --> 00:52:28,520
And truth is a good thing
if your story is a good one.
838
00:52:28,562 --> 00:52:30,814
gentle music
839
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:35,694
Actually, here in Botswana,
840
00:52:35,735 --> 00:52:38,029
the world's leading producer
of diamonds,
841
00:52:38,071 --> 00:52:41,700
there's a huge positive benefit
created by the natural diamond.
842
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,790
[sputters]
843
00:52:49,291 --> 00:52:51,376
You know, sometimes
synthetic producers
844
00:52:51,418 --> 00:52:53,086
try and position their product
845
00:52:53,128 --> 00:52:55,714
as somehow an ethical
or environmental alternative.
846
00:52:55,755 --> 00:52:58,049
They say, "Oh, we don't make
a hole in the ground."
847
00:52:58,091 --> 00:53:01,344
And you're right, we do make
a big hole in the ground.
848
00:53:01,386 --> 00:53:03,889
It's about
two kilometers across,
849
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:06,099
in a country the size of France,
850
00:53:06,141 --> 00:53:09,519
with nothing around it
but scrubland.
851
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:11,271
You can look at that
in two ways.
852
00:53:11,313 --> 00:53:12,939
You can look at that hole
and say,
853
00:53:12,981 --> 00:53:14,399
"There's a big hole
in the ground,"
854
00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:17,402
or you can look
in that hole and think,
855
00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:21,072
how lucky the people
of Botswana were
856
00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:25,410
to have this two-kilometer
bit of land in an area that--
857
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:27,078
what were they gonna do with it?
858
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,080
Have like ten cows?
859
00:53:31,291 --> 00:53:33,877
And in that hole has been
860
00:53:33,919 --> 00:53:37,380
this extraordinary
transformation of a country
861
00:53:37,422 --> 00:53:40,008
from four miles of tarred road
to 4,000
862
00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:41,885
because of that hole
in the ground.
863
00:53:41,927 --> 00:53:45,096
A doctor for every 50,000 people
before diamonds.
864
00:53:45,138 --> 00:53:47,182
Now a doctor for every 300.
865
00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:50,060
Hospitals, free education. Why?
866
00:53:50,101 --> 00:53:52,771
It's-it's that hole
in the ground.
867
00:53:55,523 --> 00:53:58,151
De Beers is an African company.
868
00:53:58,193 --> 00:54:01,655
A lot of us may be based
in London, but the deep ethos
869
00:54:01,696 --> 00:54:04,658
of our operations
has Africa at its core.
870
00:54:05,951 --> 00:54:08,578
And there's nothing
more important to an African
871
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:11,331
than their environment--
in particular, their wildlife--
872
00:54:11,373 --> 00:54:14,334
and you need to protect that,
as well.
873
00:54:14,376 --> 00:54:16,544
uplifting music
874
00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:20,966
You know, if I could bring
875
00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:22,968
every American
engagement ring consumer here
876
00:54:23,009 --> 00:54:26,972
to see with their own eyes
what diamonds do,
877
00:54:27,013 --> 00:54:30,392
they would never buy anything
but-but a natural diamond.
878
00:54:30,433 --> 00:54:32,727
You'd actually say,
"Geez, you know,
879
00:54:32,769 --> 00:54:35,230
why would you
synthesize something
880
00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:37,816
when it could do such harm
to-to this country?"
881
00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:47,951
The story is extraordinarily
882
00:54:47,993 --> 00:54:52,330
inspiring and has the great
convenience of being true.
883
00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:55,583
And you show me another
two-kilometer bit of...
884
00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:58,670
of the world that has done that.
885
00:55:01,006 --> 00:55:03,258
[bird cawing]
886
00:55:09,222 --> 00:55:11,516
[birdcalls]
887
00:55:18,356 --> 00:55:20,108
I want to take
this problem of synthetics
888
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:22,110
to a whole other level.
889
00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:25,071
We're now living
in a world of...
890
00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:27,741
gender equality.
891
00:55:27,782 --> 00:55:32,245
Are diamonds under threat
not because of synthetics only--
892
00:55:32,287 --> 00:55:34,164
although synthetics
brings it down--
893
00:55:34,205 --> 00:55:35,832
because of
the whole question of,
894
00:55:35,874 --> 00:55:38,043
what is the relationship
between the man and the woman
895
00:55:38,084 --> 00:55:40,378
in the 21st century?
896
00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:45,383
Why is she receiving the gift
and not him?
897
00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:47,635
What's going on here?
898
00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:50,805
I could talk about the idea
of, you know,
899
00:55:50,847 --> 00:55:53,016
uh, anthropological studies
that show
900
00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,685
that the woman has the babies
and, because she has the babies,
901
00:55:55,727 --> 00:55:57,562
she wants the man
to make a commitment
902
00:55:57,604 --> 00:56:00,315
and know that he's gonna
support her. Okay.
903
00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:02,400
But we live in
a modern world today
904
00:56:02,442 --> 00:56:04,569
where women may be earning
more than men.
905
00:56:04,611 --> 00:56:07,739
She may not need him
or want him.
906
00:56:07,781 --> 00:56:09,866
We switch jobs
every couple of years.
907
00:56:09,908 --> 00:56:13,536
Maybe we're gonna switch,
uh, partners every few years.
908
00:56:13,578 --> 00:56:15,914
Our-our society is changing.
909
00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:19,084
And so the role of the diamond
is under threat
910
00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:22,379
because the role of the woman
and the man is under threat.
911
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:27,342
But every day,
millennials are getting older.
912
00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:30,095
Their clocks are ticking.
913
00:56:30,136 --> 00:56:32,305
Their desire to procreate,
914
00:56:32,347 --> 00:56:34,474
whether it's genetic
or otherwise
915
00:56:34,516 --> 00:56:38,269
or whether it's, uh, uh,
Darwinian, is there.
916
00:56:38,311 --> 00:56:41,064
What's going to happen?
917
00:56:41,106 --> 00:56:46,111
Does the diamond play a role
in cementing the relationship?
918
00:56:46,152 --> 00:56:49,239
Does the woman
still want a diamond?
919
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,200
And if so, why?
920
00:56:59,416 --> 00:57:01,918
I-I did. Yeah.
921
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,798
I-I grew a diamond
for my former fiancée.
922
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,341
[interviewer]
Wait, so what's the story there?
923
00:57:08,383 --> 00:57:10,385
[laughs]
Um...
924
00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:12,971
I grew a diamond
and had it cut and polished
925
00:57:13,012 --> 00:57:16,891
and, uh, had it set in a setting
926
00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:19,686
and proposed to her with it.
927
00:57:20,854 --> 00:57:22,605
-[interviewer] And?
-[chuckles]
928
00:57:22,647 --> 00:57:24,816
I think she was unimpressed.
929
00:57:24,858 --> 00:57:27,068
[interviewer, laughing]
What does that mean?
930
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:28,736
It was too small.
931
00:57:28,778 --> 00:57:30,405
It was half a carat.
932
00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:33,616
-What did she say?
-Um...
933
00:57:34,742 --> 00:57:36,369
...that she wanted a bigger one.
934
00:57:36,411 --> 00:57:38,079
[interviewer laughing]
935
00:57:38,121 --> 00:57:40,331
[distant traffic]
936
00:57:42,876 --> 00:57:46,212
[Simic] Ladies and gentlemen,
dear colleagues,
937
00:57:46,254 --> 00:57:51,259
my name is D-Dusan Simic,
and, uh, I'll talk today about
938
00:57:51,301 --> 00:57:54,512
my invention, my patent.
939
00:58:02,061 --> 00:58:04,439
It will ensure that we will have
940
00:58:04,481 --> 00:58:07,692
two completely different
products
941
00:58:07,734 --> 00:58:10,695
that cannot hurt each other.
942
00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:15,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
It was a decision.
943
00:58:15,742 --> 00:58:18,745
Right now, I'm closing the lab
944
00:58:18,786 --> 00:58:22,081
and I'm going, uh, to do
other things, you know.
945
00:58:22,123 --> 00:58:24,834
It-it was nonsense to have a lab
946
00:58:24,876 --> 00:58:29,130
that it doesn't bring,
it doesn't bring any money.
947
00:58:29,172 --> 00:58:30,507
I really believe in this.
948
00:58:30,548 --> 00:58:32,759
I mean, it could be
a solution, you know.
949
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,552
upbeat music
950
00:59:11,881 --> 00:59:13,841
[quiet chatter]
951
00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:55,758
[murmuring]
952
01:00:12,692 --> 01:00:14,986
[man]
Can I ask a dumb question?
953
01:00:39,927 --> 01:00:42,513
[Simic]
Of course. Of course.
954
01:01:02,408 --> 01:01:05,203
[man] Uh, this brings
the presentations to...
955
01:01:13,836 --> 01:01:16,547
-Come on, I know all about you.
-Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
956
01:01:25,264 --> 01:01:26,683
-You-you have a power...
-I'll do a deal with you.
957
01:01:26,724 --> 01:01:27,850
You have the power...
958
01:01:27,892 --> 01:01:28,685
I have the power
to make it work.
959
01:01:28,726 --> 01:01:29,977
...to make it work.
960
01:01:30,895 --> 01:01:32,480
Yes?
961
01:01:35,525 --> 01:01:37,777
[Simic laughs]
962
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,162
[indistinct chatter]
963
01:01:49,455 --> 01:01:51,124
contemplative music
964
01:02:06,764 --> 01:02:08,891
[man]
And action.
965
01:02:14,105 --> 01:02:16,858
[Lussier]
At De Beers, everything you do,
966
01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:19,277
if the person
who owns your diamond
967
01:02:19,318 --> 01:02:21,446
sees anything
that makes them unhappy,
968
01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:23,281
is the wrong thing to do.
969
01:02:23,322 --> 01:02:26,868
They have to feel proud
of-of-of that diamond.
970
01:02:26,909 --> 01:02:29,537
That bit is, like,
the sacrosanct.
971
01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:32,290
You must protect them.
972
01:02:32,331 --> 01:02:34,292
You don't want people
who question things.
973
01:02:34,333 --> 01:02:35,877
Those aren't good consumers.
974
01:02:35,918 --> 01:02:37,712
They question
how many of their...
975
01:02:37,754 --> 01:02:39,589
"Are all of these real?
976
01:02:39,630 --> 01:02:43,134
Well, how I know for sure?"
977
01:02:43,176 --> 01:02:44,719
Then they're gonna start
to ask questions about--
978
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:46,637
what are the differences?
979
01:02:50,308 --> 01:02:51,809
I don't hate De Beers.
980
01:02:51,851 --> 01:02:53,311
It's not a personal grudge.
981
01:02:53,352 --> 01:02:55,688
It has nothing to do
with my career, per se,
982
01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:57,774
like, you know,
anybody's annoyed me
983
01:02:57,815 --> 01:02:59,150
at any point in the past
984
01:02:59,192 --> 01:03:01,819
or being the only woman
in the room.
985
01:03:01,861 --> 01:03:03,863
I-I have no skin in the game.
986
01:03:05,531 --> 01:03:10,495
It's just that I'm interested
in what they're actually doing.
987
01:03:10,536 --> 01:03:12,997
And I think, if you look closer,
988
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:16,292
it's never really
what you thought you saw.
989
01:03:18,753 --> 01:03:20,671
And in this case,
you're assuming
990
01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:23,299
the mixing scandal
was ever a problem
991
01:03:23,341 --> 01:03:25,343
for the people
claiming it's a problem.
992
01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:27,261
Because they're also
993
01:03:27,303 --> 01:03:31,349
the ones putting the most money
and quietly the most manpower
994
01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:35,353
into growing them in labs.
995
01:03:37,313 --> 01:03:41,359
So, a lie about a lie
about a lie about a lie.
996
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,110
Delightful.
997
01:03:43,152 --> 01:03:46,155
The diamond jewelry industry
is set for a shake-up
998
01:03:46,197 --> 01:03:49,033
after global diamond giant
De Beers announced
999
01:03:49,075 --> 01:03:51,702
it planned to sell diamonds
grown in a laboratory.
1000
01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:55,206
[reporter] After years of
criticizing lab-made diamonds,
1001
01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:57,708
the world's largest
diamond miner, De Beers,
1002
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:59,377
will now sell them.
1003
01:03:59,418 --> 01:04:03,214
Of course they were
working on growing their own.
1004
01:04:03,256 --> 01:04:06,551
De Beers never sold a diamond--
they sold an idea--
1005
01:04:06,592 --> 01:04:08,719
and this is just a new idea.
1006
01:04:08,761 --> 01:04:10,930
[Lussier]
The Lightbox brand is bringing
1007
01:04:10,972 --> 01:04:14,392
the synthesized product
in a way that is
1008
01:04:14,433 --> 01:04:15,810
honest about what it is
1009
01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:18,688
but, equally importantly,
what it isn't.
1010
01:04:18,729 --> 01:04:20,398
The difference is that,
1011
01:04:20,439 --> 01:04:22,525
while a natural diamond is made
over billions of years,
1012
01:04:22,567 --> 01:04:24,235
comes from deep in the ground,
1013
01:04:24,277 --> 01:04:28,155
a lab-grown diamond is
literally made in a factory
1014
01:04:28,197 --> 01:04:30,491
over a period
of about two weeks.
1015
01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:32,743
It's something less precious.
1016
01:04:32,785 --> 01:04:34,245
Maybe for travel jewelry.
1017
01:04:34,287 --> 01:04:36,038
It's a nice thing, huh?
1018
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,834
It's... you know, you see
a sparkly blue or pink stone,
1019
01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:42,879
it's pretty, and it's
very inexpensive to make.
1020
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,006
Consumer research tells us
that women prefer
1021
01:04:45,047 --> 01:04:47,216
natural diamonds
for life's big occasions
1022
01:04:47,258 --> 01:04:49,427
like an engagement ring
or a wedding band,
1023
01:04:49,468 --> 01:04:52,054
but these are perfect for all
of other life's occasions.
1024
01:04:52,096 --> 01:04:54,181
If you lose it,
don't worry so much,
1025
01:04:54,223 --> 01:04:55,933
'cause it's not very expensive.
1026
01:04:55,975 --> 01:04:58,185
It's not a memorable thing
that 30 years from now
1027
01:04:58,227 --> 01:05:00,563
you're going to be,
you know, cherishing.
1028
01:05:00,605 --> 01:05:02,773
You're not gonna pass it on
to your children.
1029
01:05:02,815 --> 01:05:04,609
But there's a lot
of jewelry like that,
1030
01:05:04,650 --> 01:05:06,611
and there's nothing wrong
with it.
1031
01:05:06,652 --> 01:05:08,321
Oh, yeah, really?
1032
01:05:08,362 --> 01:05:09,989
After shitting on it
for ten years,
1033
01:05:10,031 --> 01:05:11,699
you want to get into it?
All right.
1034
01:05:11,741 --> 01:05:13,159
I think where it came from is
1035
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,994
they want to cut out
all the people like me.
1036
01:05:15,036 --> 01:05:17,038
They want to cut out all
the people that are
1037
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,290
creating new diamonds
by undercutting the market.
1038
01:05:19,332 --> 01:05:21,417
[reporter]
The gemstone giant De Beers
1039
01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:24,795
is building a $94 million dollar
plant there in Gresham.
1040
01:05:24,837 --> 01:05:27,089
The laboratory-made
stones produced
1041
01:05:27,131 --> 01:05:30,259
will be up to 90% less expensive
than natural stones.
1042
01:05:30,301 --> 01:05:32,053
[Raden] At that point,
you have to assume
1043
01:05:32,094 --> 01:05:34,138
they don't want to sell them.
1044
01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:38,267
Because when you have
a product that you can't sell,
1045
01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:39,894
what do you do?
1046
01:05:39,936 --> 01:05:41,646
You put it on sale.
1047
01:05:41,687 --> 01:05:42,980
You reduce the price, right?
1048
01:05:43,022 --> 01:05:45,316
All this product is
$800 a carat,
1049
01:05:45,358 --> 01:05:47,234
so that's much, much less
1050
01:05:47,276 --> 01:05:48,778
-than natural diamonds.
-[woman] Wow.
1051
01:05:48,819 --> 01:05:50,154
So it's a different
thought process--
1052
01:05:50,196 --> 01:05:51,489
right?-- when you're going
to shop for it.
1053
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:54,075
[Raden]
Now we know, because De Beers
1054
01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:56,077
have told us so,
that there's a difference,
1055
01:05:56,118 --> 01:05:57,828
"We've differentiated."
1056
01:05:57,870 --> 01:06:00,957
But then the FTC just expanded
1057
01:06:00,998 --> 01:06:04,001
the definition of diamond,
1058
01:06:04,043 --> 01:06:06,671
and now it includes
lab-grown diamonds.
1059
01:06:06,712 --> 01:06:10,800
So, does that mean a diamond
is only worth $800 a carat?
1060
01:06:12,134 --> 01:06:14,345
-[traffic passing]
-[car horns honking]
1061
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:52,133
[muttering]
1062
01:06:56,387 --> 01:07:00,808
Simply, he did not...
he did not understand.
1063
01:07:00,850 --> 01:07:02,560
He's talking about
something else.
1064
01:07:02,601 --> 01:07:05,563
Even I cannot understand
what he wants to say, you know.
1065
01:07:06,939 --> 01:07:08,941
I send mail answer to Martin,
1066
01:07:08,983 --> 01:07:12,570
and, uh, since then,
he is not, uh...
1067
01:07:12,611 --> 01:07:15,448
he did not answer it.
1068
01:07:15,489 --> 01:07:17,867
I don't... I don't know.
1069
01:07:17,908 --> 01:07:20,786
We did not continue, you know.
1070
01:07:22,329 --> 01:07:24,290
I don't know.
1071
01:07:27,835 --> 01:07:29,628
dramatic music
1072
01:07:50,816 --> 01:07:53,110
-[Simic] Okay, we go to...?
-[woman] Uh, LaGuardia.
1073
01:07:53,152 --> 01:07:55,446
-LaGuardia. Okay.
-Yeah, turn left.
1074
01:08:15,925 --> 01:08:17,551
Something like that?
1075
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:25,392
You told me D?
1076
01:08:25,434 --> 01:08:28,854
[woman]
Yeah. Terminal D. Thank you.
1077
01:08:28,896 --> 01:08:31,482
There is no room for this.
1078
01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:54,296
[siren blaring]
1079
01:09:43,429 --> 01:09:44,555
To make money?
1080
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:50,728
I don't know.
Right now, right now, I'm, uh...
1081
01:09:50,769 --> 01:09:52,855
I'm waiting for it.
1082
01:09:52,897 --> 01:09:54,565
I'll start...
1083
01:09:58,819 --> 01:10:00,571
[chuckles]
1084
01:10:07,286 --> 01:10:09,914
[Simic and interviewer laughing]
1085
01:10:09,955 --> 01:10:12,583
Ah. Good idea, huh?
1086
01:10:19,798 --> 01:10:21,926
So, I don't know...
I don't remember who is who.
1087
01:10:21,967 --> 01:10:23,844
I don't remember who is where.
1088
01:10:23,886 --> 01:10:25,846
Here's Miley and everybody.
1089
01:10:25,888 --> 01:10:27,932
[lively chatter]
1090
01:10:28,557 --> 01:10:32,019
All right, Sunday night,
we have to play craps.
1091
01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:34,021
It's after my speech.
1092
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,148
It's gonna be
a crazy day for me.
1093
01:10:36,190 --> 01:10:38,150
I'm gonna be blowing up
half the industry.
1094
01:10:38,192 --> 01:10:39,485
What's the speech about?
1095
01:10:39,526 --> 01:10:41,153
-Synthetics.
-[others] Synthetics!
1096
01:10:41,195 --> 01:10:43,113
-[man] Oh.
-[man 2] Oh, wow.
1097
01:10:43,155 --> 01:10:44,240
-Yeah.
-Wow, that's serious.
1098
01:10:44,281 --> 01:10:45,783
It's gonna be happening, man.
1099
01:10:45,824 --> 01:10:48,452
Anyways, thinking about
this threat of synthetics...
1100
01:10:48,494 --> 01:10:50,120
[man 3] I think it's
a really big problem.
1101
01:10:50,162 --> 01:10:53,290
I bought a lot of stuff
from a-a jeweler in New Jersey,
1102
01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:55,459
and he told me he sells
1103
01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:58,629
95% synthetic diamond
engagement rings.
1104
01:10:58,671 --> 01:11:01,966
-95%.
-[Rapaport] What price points?
1105
01:11:02,007 --> 01:11:03,926
All over the place.
1106
01:11:03,968 --> 01:11:06,512
And I'm like, "Oh, how about
this natural stone? It's cheap."
1107
01:11:06,553 --> 01:11:08,847
And he's like,
"I'm gonna sell synthetic."
1108
01:11:08,889 --> 01:11:10,474
That's-that's scary to me.
1109
01:11:10,516 --> 01:11:12,476
If you have a retail store
and someone's gonna come in,
1110
01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:14,144
they're gonna say,
"How much is this diamond?
1111
01:11:14,186 --> 01:11:16,230
Oh, this one's 5,000?
It's a one-carat?
1112
01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:17,731
How much is this one?"
1113
01:11:17,773 --> 01:11:20,234
"Uh, this one's 500 bucks.
It's a synthetic."
1114
01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:21,777
"Okay. What's the difference?"
1115
01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:23,654
"I don't know.
GIA can barely tell."
1116
01:11:23,696 --> 01:11:25,572
[woman]
People that are getting married,
1117
01:11:25,614 --> 01:11:27,074
you're not thinking...
that's like thinking about--
1118
01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:28,659
[Rapaport]
You're not thinking what?
1119
01:11:28,701 --> 01:11:30,160
You're not thinking about
getting divorced, you know,
1120
01:11:30,202 --> 01:11:31,495
-when you're getting married.
-Sure.
1121
01:11:31,537 --> 01:11:33,080
So you don't care about
the resale value?
1122
01:11:33,122 --> 01:11:34,832
-So... yeah, no, you don't.
-[man 3] No, they don't.
1123
01:11:34,873 --> 01:11:36,625
-[woman] Yeah, they don't care.
-[man 3] Think about it.
1124
01:11:36,667 --> 01:11:38,168
We're in a throw-away economy.
Throw away everything.
1125
01:11:38,210 --> 01:11:39,670
Buy something, throw it away
five years later.
1126
01:11:39,712 --> 01:11:41,505
-[woman] Right.
-You spend $1,000 on a phone,
1127
01:11:41,547 --> 01:11:42,881
-throw it out next year.
-And they-they already realize
1128
01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:44,300
that diamonds have no value.
1129
01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:45,884
I-I have people that
they already say that.
1130
01:11:45,926 --> 01:11:48,887
-Guys, especially.
-[man 3] So, why sell natural?
1131
01:11:48,929 --> 01:11:51,807
That's the big challenge.
That's the challenge.
1132
01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:54,393
[woman] Millennials,
they want an experience.
1133
01:11:54,435 --> 01:11:56,854
You know?
And-and they are scared...
1134
01:11:56,895 --> 01:11:58,897
-[chatter fades]
- atmospheric music
1135
01:11:58,939 --> 01:12:02,693
[Raden] There's this quote
I like that's, uh...
1136
01:12:02,735 --> 01:12:05,529
"All your life, you live
so close to the truth
1137
01:12:05,571 --> 01:12:08,073
that it becomes a permanent blur
in the corner of your eye.
1138
01:12:13,203 --> 01:12:16,874
And when something nudges it
into outline, it's like being
1139
01:12:16,915 --> 01:12:19,543
ambushed by the grotesque."
1140
01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:22,880
A lot of things fall
into the category
1141
01:12:22,921 --> 01:12:25,966
of true or not true, but...
1142
01:12:26,008 --> 01:12:27,718
a lot of things don't.
1143
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,138
A lot of things start as a lie
and have a way of becoming true.
1144
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:32,890
intriguing music
1145
01:12:34,767 --> 01:12:37,186
They lied about
how many there were.
1146
01:12:37,227 --> 01:12:38,562
They lied
about how they got them.
1147
01:12:38,604 --> 01:12:40,230
They lied about
where they kept them.
1148
01:12:40,272 --> 01:12:42,191
They lie about
all kinds of things
1149
01:12:42,232 --> 01:12:43,567
because they built a myth.
1150
01:12:43,609 --> 01:12:45,569
If they want to sell
natural diamonds,
1151
01:12:45,611 --> 01:12:47,196
they have to insist on the myth.
1152
01:12:47,237 --> 01:12:49,406
If they want to sell
synthetic diamonds,
1153
01:12:49,448 --> 01:12:51,492
they have to insist on the myth.
1154
01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,746
Because why would you want
a synthetic diamond
1155
01:12:55,788 --> 01:12:58,415
if a real diamond
wasn't valuable?
1156
01:13:29,321 --> 01:13:32,908
-So it's all here?
-Yeah, this is a...
1157
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:34,618
This is like a, like a...
1158
01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:42,126
[Raden]
The truth is not a requirement
1159
01:13:42,167 --> 01:13:43,877
for what people believe.
1160
01:13:43,919 --> 01:13:45,421
What people believe
1161
01:13:45,462 --> 01:13:47,131
is what they want to believe,
1162
01:13:47,172 --> 01:13:50,884
what they need to believe,
what doesn't conflict with
1163
01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:53,804
their more necessary
load-bearing beliefs.
1164
01:13:53,846 --> 01:13:55,931
Ultimately, what everybody
around them believes.
1165
01:13:55,973 --> 01:13:58,684
[Rapaport]
Avi, where are the synthetics?
1166
01:13:58,725 --> 01:14:01,311
Anybody know
where the synthetics are?
1167
01:14:01,353 --> 01:14:02,980
How much are these pinks?
1168
01:14:03,021 --> 01:14:04,690
[man]
These are around, like, $600.
1169
01:14:04,731 --> 01:14:07,109
[Rapaport]
Six... Really? So expensive.
1170
01:14:07,151 --> 01:14:08,444
So, what do we do with you guys?
1171
01:14:08,485 --> 01:14:09,862
What should we do
with you synthetic guys?
1172
01:14:09,903 --> 01:14:10,904
You tell me.
1173
01:14:10,946 --> 01:14:12,322
What is your solution?
1174
01:14:12,364 --> 01:14:13,991
I don't know yet. I'm thinking.
1175
01:14:14,032 --> 01:14:16,910
The only solution is you.
1176
01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:19,496
I think you could give us
a proper solution,
1177
01:14:19,538 --> 01:14:22,708
a proper place on the market
and a proper pricing.
1178
01:14:22,749 --> 01:14:24,501
We lose
the engagement ring market,
1179
01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:26,670
you're all out of business.
1180
01:14:26,712 --> 01:14:28,922
Us being--
everybody's out of business.
1181
01:14:28,964 --> 01:14:31,758
I have the utmost admiration
for De Beers.
1182
01:14:33,218 --> 01:14:36,305
Incredible admiration.
1183
01:14:36,346 --> 01:14:39,850
They created an illusion
1184
01:14:39,892 --> 01:14:43,687
so spectacular
it turned into truth.
1185
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:46,523
How do you not applaud that?
1186
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:55,866
[man]
Okay.
1187
01:14:55,908 --> 01:14:58,494
[Raden] Mass delusions
can turn on a dime,
1188
01:14:58,535 --> 01:15:00,913
and it's not that
1189
01:15:00,954 --> 01:15:05,209
synthetic diamonds
might be made undetectable.
1190
01:15:05,250 --> 01:15:07,419
It's that
1191
01:15:07,461 --> 01:15:11,507
they might have been
made real at that point.
1192
01:15:12,257 --> 01:15:14,343
There's the ball game.
1193
01:15:27,105 --> 01:15:29,358
[birds chirping]
1194
01:15:33,987 --> 01:15:36,031
[Simic singing quietly]
1195
01:15:43,247 --> 01:15:45,582
[continues singing]
1196
01:16:15,404 --> 01:16:17,197
dramatic music
1197
01:17:00,866 --> 01:17:02,492
So...
1198
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:05,996
Became...
1199
01:17:17,174 --> 01:17:18,550
[whispering]
1200
01:17:49,414 --> 01:17:52,542
Okay? Okay.
1201
01:17:52,584 --> 01:17:54,878
Yeah? Wow.
1202
01:17:56,588 --> 01:17:58,924
[quiet chatter]
1203
01:18:00,258 --> 01:18:02,052
[woman]
Morning, everyone.
1204
01:18:02,094 --> 01:18:03,970
Now we're gonna get
this party started,
1205
01:18:04,012 --> 01:18:06,848
and I'm gonna welcome
Mr. Martin Rapaport.
1206
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:08,934
[applause]
1207
01:18:09,726 --> 01:18:11,645
All right.
Good morning, everybody.
1208
01:18:11,687 --> 01:18:13,355
Uh, welcome.
Good morning, Vegas.
1209
01:18:13,397 --> 01:18:15,232
Okay, let's see
where we are here.
1210
01:18:15,273 --> 01:18:17,109
The first thing that
I just want to explain
1211
01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:19,361
a little bit about Rapaport
is that
1212
01:18:19,403 --> 01:18:21,697
we're in the value business.
1213
01:18:21,738 --> 01:18:23,281
Which means,
if it's not ethical,
1214
01:18:23,323 --> 01:18:24,783
I don't want to do it, okay?
1215
01:18:24,825 --> 01:18:29,329
Established in 1978,
230 employees,
1216
01:18:29,371 --> 01:18:31,581
nine offices, uh, six countries.
1217
01:18:31,623 --> 01:18:34,209
RapNet diamond trading network,
the largest in the world--
1218
01:18:34,251 --> 01:18:37,421
it's got about $7.4 billion
dollars listed every day.
1219
01:18:37,462 --> 01:18:39,214
[applause]
1220
01:18:39,256 --> 01:18:40,882
We're gonna have a vote.
1221
01:18:40,924 --> 01:18:42,467
Should RapNet, the largest
1222
01:18:42,509 --> 01:18:44,094
diamond trading network
in the world,
1223
01:18:44,136 --> 01:18:46,221
carry synthetics?
1224
01:18:46,263 --> 01:18:48,014
[chuckles]
Yes.
1225
01:18:48,056 --> 01:18:50,892
Should Rapaport produce
a price list for synthetics?
1226
01:18:50,934 --> 01:18:52,853
Second question.
1227
01:18:52,894 --> 01:18:54,354
[laughing]
1228
01:18:54,396 --> 01:18:56,273
[interviewer] Why-why is this
making you so happy?
1229
01:18:56,314 --> 01:18:57,858
Because let people speak.
1230
01:18:57,899 --> 01:18:59,901
No one knows.
Everyone's confused.
1231
01:18:59,943 --> 01:19:02,028
I never saw so many people
walking around...
1232
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:04,281
"I don't know. Should I?
Shouldn't I? Would I? Would I?"
1233
01:19:04,322 --> 01:19:06,116
Let's ask everybody.
1234
01:19:06,158 --> 01:19:09,578
Should we be giving people
the perception of value
1235
01:19:09,619 --> 01:19:11,788
when it's not there?
1236
01:19:12,789 --> 01:19:14,541
What the hell's going on here?
1237
01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:17,085
Could someone tell me?
Anybody know?
1238
01:19:17,127 --> 01:19:21,131
The threat of synthetic diamonds
is a wake-up call.
1239
01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:22,758
It says, "Hey, guys.
1240
01:19:22,799 --> 01:19:25,177
You got a hole
in your boat here."
1241
01:19:25,218 --> 01:19:29,473
For this machine, for this, uh,
uh, diamond industry to work,
1242
01:19:29,514 --> 01:19:33,226
we need to have all of these
functioning pieces operating
1243
01:19:33,268 --> 01:19:36,396
at some level of responsibility
and relationship.
1244
01:19:36,438 --> 01:19:40,150
We can't just be ourselves,
our own little islands.
1245
01:19:40,192 --> 01:19:41,860
[machinery whirring]
1246
01:19:41,902 --> 01:19:43,862
elegant music
1247
01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:15,852
[Rapaport]
We should be thinking about,
1248
01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:17,938
"What exactly are we selling?"
1249
01:20:17,979 --> 01:20:20,357
It's the promise of diamonds.
1250
01:20:21,650 --> 01:20:24,319
And the big question, "Do we
invest in synthetic diamonds?"
1251
01:20:24,361 --> 01:20:26,363
Are we investing in ethical
diamonds in the supply chain?
1252
01:20:26,404 --> 01:20:28,490
Are we gonna do both?
What are we gonna do?
1253
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:29,699
Wh-Where are we gonna go?
1254
01:20:29,741 --> 01:20:31,201
We know we can't stay
where we are.
1255
01:20:31,243 --> 01:20:32,994
[whirring]
1256
01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:38,708
And I can say to you that
the RapNet members have voted.
1257
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:40,836
So roll the drums.
[imitates drumroll]
1258
01:20:40,877 --> 01:20:42,337
Here is how the votes went.
1259
01:20:42,379 --> 01:20:44,256
Should RapNet list
synthetic diamonds
1260
01:20:44,297 --> 01:20:46,383
as a way to buy
and sell diamonds?
1261
01:20:46,424 --> 01:20:49,594
-79% no.
-[applause]
1262
01:20:49,636 --> 01:20:51,263
[scattered cheers]
1263
01:20:51,304 --> 01:20:54,933
Should Rapaport publish
a synthetic price list?
1264
01:20:54,975 --> 01:20:57,185
No.
1265
01:20:57,227 --> 01:21:00,605
So, what's
the Rapaport position?
1266
01:21:00,647 --> 01:21:03,441
Claims that synthetic diamonds
are exactly the same
1267
01:21:03,483 --> 01:21:05,402
as natural diamonds, false.
1268
01:21:05,443 --> 01:21:07,737
It's just a big lie.
1269
01:21:19,708 --> 01:21:21,209
[Rapaport]
Am I gonna be the person
1270
01:21:21,251 --> 01:21:24,421
that's going to legitimize
lab-grown diamonds?
1271
01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:26,423
No, I'm not gonna do that.
1272
01:21:26,464 --> 01:21:28,049
[applause]
1273
01:21:28,091 --> 01:21:30,427
But we have to invest.
We have to go forward.
1274
01:21:30,468 --> 01:21:33,013
We cannot just keep
doing business the way we were.
1275
01:21:33,054 --> 01:21:35,432
Prices are going down.
1276
01:21:35,473 --> 01:21:37,767
What the hell does that mean?
What do you mean?
1277
01:21:37,809 --> 01:21:39,603
How can prices of diamonds
keep going down
1278
01:21:39,644 --> 01:21:40,896
and down and down?
1279
01:21:40,937 --> 01:21:42,939
What the hell is going on here?
1280
01:21:42,981 --> 01:21:45,108
Even the mining companies now
1281
01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:46,902
don't have enough money
to fix everything.
1282
01:21:46,943 --> 01:21:49,237
But a commitment
of a billion dollars
1283
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:51,573
in marketing in actual diamonds
1284
01:21:51,615 --> 01:21:54,993
is something I am calling for
today, here and now.
1285
01:21:55,035 --> 01:21:56,786
[applause, cheering]
1286
01:21:56,828 --> 01:21:58,330
dramatic music
1287
01:22:15,347 --> 01:22:17,098
[Rapaport]
I am telling you that there is
1288
01:22:17,140 --> 01:22:19,100
a bogeyman under the bed
1289
01:22:19,142 --> 01:22:21,311
and that things are not right.
1290
01:22:21,353 --> 01:22:23,647
But we keep thinking,
"Prices, discounts."
1291
01:22:23,688 --> 01:22:25,565
This is stupid. It's wrong.
1292
01:22:25,607 --> 01:22:28,944
The diamond engagement ring is
an emotional and spiritual gift
1293
01:22:28,985 --> 01:22:31,571
that transcends
the physical diamond
1294
01:22:31,613 --> 01:22:35,158
as it communicates
the commitment of love forever.
1295
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,453
That is what we're selling.
1296
01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:40,080
But we must have a heart.
1297
01:22:40,121 --> 01:22:42,415
We must have a soul.
1298
01:22:45,126 --> 01:22:48,213
Diamonds are a reflection of us.
1299
01:22:48,254 --> 01:22:51,174
You know that light
bouncing around? It's us.
1300
01:22:51,216 --> 01:22:53,843
We... we the people
of the diamond industry.
1301
01:22:53,885 --> 01:22:56,012
That's what
these diamonds reflect.
1302
01:22:56,054 --> 01:22:58,515
Know this:
diamonds are a symbol.
1303
01:22:58,556 --> 01:23:00,517
They're not a product.
They're not a commodity.
1304
01:23:05,271 --> 01:23:07,190
Good, huh?
1305
01:23:07,232 --> 01:23:09,025
Let's go.
1306
01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:10,360
[Rapaport]
When all is said and done,
1307
01:23:10,402 --> 01:23:12,112
diamonds are only
as good as we are.
1308
01:23:12,153 --> 01:23:14,823
So I give us a blessing.
1309
01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:18,702
May we be worthy of the product,
1310
01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:20,954
of the symbolism that we sell.
1311
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:24,541
May we be up to diamonds.
Thank you.
1312
01:23:24,582 --> 01:23:27,168
[applause]
1313
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:55,905
music ends
1314
01:24:02,662 --> 01:24:04,914
[wheels rolling]
1315
01:24:10,587 --> 01:24:14,090
"Nothing Lasts Forever"
by The Kinks
1316
01:24:17,844 --> 01:24:21,056
When we were young
1317
01:24:21,097 --> 01:24:24,225
And green
1318
01:24:24,267 --> 01:24:29,272
We shared our dreams
1319
01:24:29,314 --> 01:24:33,359
Together
1320
01:24:33,401 --> 01:24:37,072
And you were my friend
1321
01:24:37,113 --> 01:24:41,951
We had our good times, pal
1322
01:24:43,286 --> 01:24:47,707
We thought they'd last
1323
01:24:47,749 --> 01:24:51,753
Forever
1324
01:24:51,795 --> 01:24:57,008
But nothing lasts forever
1325
01:24:58,426 --> 01:25:03,306
Nothing lasts forever
1326
01:25:12,816 --> 01:25:15,819
Time goes by
1327
01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:18,905
And people change
1328
01:25:18,947 --> 01:25:21,199
It's best we go
1329
01:25:21,241 --> 01:25:25,662
Our separate ways
1330
01:25:25,703 --> 01:25:30,708
And it was wrong
to think our love
1331
01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:35,964
Would never end
1332
01:25:36,714 --> 01:25:38,925
My friend
1333
01:25:38,967 --> 01:25:43,179
Nothing lasts forever
1334
01:25:44,722 --> 01:25:49,519
Nothing lasts forever
1335
01:25:58,903 --> 01:26:01,990
Time goes by
1336
01:26:02,031 --> 01:26:05,201
It takes us all
1337
01:26:05,243 --> 01:26:07,912
Nations crumble
1338
01:26:07,954 --> 01:26:11,541
And empires fall
1339
01:26:11,583 --> 01:26:13,918
And who are we
1340
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,671
To think that we
1341
01:26:16,713 --> 01:26:22,051
Would always be?
1342
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:24,304
You see
1343
01:26:24,345 --> 01:26:28,933
Nothing lasts forever
1344
01:26:30,185 --> 01:26:33,479
Nothing lasts forever
1345
01:26:33,521 --> 01:26:35,565
I know that
1346
01:26:35,607 --> 01:26:39,319
You'll survive
1347
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:44,032
And you'll get by
1348
01:26:44,073 --> 01:26:47,160
Whatever
1349
01:26:48,786 --> 01:26:51,748
Though you say goodbye
1350
01:26:51,789 --> 01:26:56,127
My love will never die
1351
01:26:57,962 --> 01:27:06,929
It will last forever
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