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Peewee coach: HARD WORK!
Peewee players: HARD WORK!
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Peewee coach: DEDICATION!
Peewee players: DEDICATION!
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Peewee coach: HARD WORK!
Peewee players: HARD WORK!
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Peewee coach: DEDICATION!
Peewee players: DEDICATION!
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I DIDN'T EVER TELL Y'ALL
THIS LITTLE STORY, GUYS,
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ABOUT DAVID AND GOLIATH,
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THE BIG OL' GIANT
AND THE LITTLE OL' DAVID.
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THAT BIG OL' GIANT,
IT WAS THE HURRICANES,
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THE ONES THAT WAS ALWAYS
BEATIN' UP ON EVERYBODY
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'CAUSE THEY WERE GOOD AND BIG,
RIGHT?
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BUT IT WAS THIS LITTLE OL' GUY
NAMED DAVID-- THAT'S Y'ALL--
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LITTLE OL' BITTY GUY,
HAD PLENTY OF COURAGE.
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HE BELIEVED IN HIMSELF.
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AND WHAT DAVID DID,
HE GOT A LITTLE OL' ROCK,
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A SMOOTH ROCK--
THIS YOUR ROCK, THAT HELMET--
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AND HE RAN INTO THAT
BIG OL' GIANT AND BOOM!
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( crowd cheering )
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( groans )
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Announcer:
THE FANS ARE LOVING IT!
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♪
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( crowd cheering )
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All: OH!
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Alan Schwarz:
IT'S BEEN KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME
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THAT BANGING YOUR HEAD
OVER AND OVER
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AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN
CAN BE A BAD THING.
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Stephen Colbert:
WHY ARE YOU BASHING YOUR HEAD
INTO A 300-POUND LINEMAN?
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YOUR BRAIN IS SPONGE CAKE
FLOATING IN A BONE BUCKET.
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STOP NOW WHILE YOU
DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A DIAPER.
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( audience laughs )
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( crowd cheering )
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( groans )
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Chris Nowinski:
MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE,
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THIS FRIDAY NIGHT,
OVER A MILLION KIDS
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WILL TAKE
TO THE FOOTBALL FIELD...
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ONE IN EIGHT
BOYS IN AMERICA.
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I'M CERTAIN THAT
RADICAL MEASURES ARE NEEDED
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FOR FOOTBALL
TO CONTINUE SAFELY.
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SO WITH A LIST
OF CRIPPLED RETIRED PLAYERS,
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A SHORTENED LIFE EXPECTANCY,
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CHRIS,
HOW REAL IS THIS PROBLEM?
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Chris Nowinski: WHEN WE GOT THIS
FORMER NFL PLAYER'S BRAIN,
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WE SAW SOMETHING VERY STRIKING.
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THERE'S AN ALARMING REPORT
LINKING FOOTBALL AND DEMENTIA.
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NOW I'M STARTING TO SEE PLAYERS
WHO ARE YOUNGER THAN ME
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WHO ARE HAVING
NEUROLOGICAL ISSUES,
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AND THESE PLAYERS
ARE CALLING ME.
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IN FACT,
MANY EX-PLAYERS HAVE PROBLEMS...
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GIRLS HAVING HIGHER RATES
OF CONCUSSIONS THAN BOYS.
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Man: PEEWEE HOCKEY TODAYIS NOT
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THE PEEWEE HOCKEYWE PLAYED WHEN WE WERE KIDS.
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THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE WOULD GIVE
A REASONABLE PERSON PAUSE.
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YOU'RE TALKING TO THE ATHLETES
ABOUT DONATING THEIR BRAIN.
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FIVE YEARS OF HEADACHES
AND DEPRESSION
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AND SHORT-TERM MEMORY PROBLEMS,
COULDN'T GO BACK TO WORK...
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ARE YOU ADVOCATING,
MR. NOWINSKI,
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THAT-- THAT PEOPLE
NOT PLAY FOOTBALL?
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Alan Schwarz:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.
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YES, THERE ARE SOME THINGS
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HAPPENING AT
THE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL,
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BUT WHAT IF SIMILAR THINGS
ARE HAPPENING FOR KIDS?
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Chris Nowinski: PERSONALLY,
IF I HAD A SIX-YEAR-OLD
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OUT THERE PLAYING FOOTBALL,
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I WOULD BE FREAKED OUT,
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AND I THINK RIGHTLY SO...
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BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING
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RUSSIAN ROULETTE
WITH THEIR FUTURE.
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( whistle blows )
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♪
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I DIDN'T EVER WANT
TO GO TO HARVARD
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AND JUST PLAY FOOTBALL.
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YOU KNOW, I HAD A REAL PASSION
FOR FOOTBALL
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AND I KNEW I HAD
A COMMITMENT TO THE TEAM,
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BUT, YOU KNOW,
I KNEW I HAD OPPORTUNITY
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TO GET THE BEST EDUCATION
IN THE WORLD.
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SO I NEVER WANTED
TO LET MY ACADEMICS SUFFER.
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I WAS A DEFENSIVE TACKLE.
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YOU KNOW,
I LINED UP OVER THE GUARDS...
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AND EVERY PLAY,
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A 280-POUND GUY
TRYING TO KNOCK ME ON MY BUTT.
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Announcer: THERE'S A SACKON THE QUARTERBACK,
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AND THAT IS CHRIS NOWINSKI.
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I WAS JUST COLLIDING
ON EVERY PLAY,
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TRYING TO CONTROL
THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME
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AND CONTROL THE GAP.
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I LOVED THE VIOLENCE OF IT.
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I THOUGHT IT WAS
THE GREATEST THING IN THE WORLD
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WHEN YOU COULD PASS RUSH
AND CATCH THEM UNDER THE CHIN.
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THAT'S THE CLOSEST THING
YOU CAN GET TO BEING A WARRIOR
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WITHOUT ACTUALLY
HAVING TO GO TO WAR.
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YOU HAVE YOUR OWN TRIBE.
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I NEVER THOUGHT
ABOUT AN NFL CAREER.
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SO I GRADUATED
AND I WAS LIKE,
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DO I GO SIT IN A CUBICLE
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AND RENT MY BRAIN
TO BIG COMPANIES?
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OR DO I GO TRY
TO HAVE A LITTLE FUN?
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( crowd cheering )
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♪
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WWE ANNOUNCED THEY WERE STARTING
TOUGH ENOUGH--
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A REALITY SHOW.
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THIRTEEN KIDS LIVE IN A HOUSE,
TWO OF THEM WIN CONTRACTS.
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ONE PERSON'S
KICKED OFF EVERY WEEK.
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SO I DECIDED TO SEND IN A TAPE.
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I'M 6'5",265 WITH 10% BODY FAT.
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I TRAIN ATKILLER KOWALKSI'S SCHOOL
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AND ACTUALLY HADMY FIRST MATCH THE OTHER NIGHT.
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CHECK IT OUT.
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I WANTED TO MAKE IT
TO THE WWE,
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AND THIS WAS GOING
TO BE THE FAST TRACK.
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AND I GOT SELECTED.
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♪
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I AM WILLINGTO TO DO WHAT IT TAKES
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TO BE ONE OF THE ELITEWRESTLERS DOWN THE LINE.
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HOLD STILL PLEASE.
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REALITY SHOWS HAVE TO HAVE
GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS.
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WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THATWE MAKE EVERYBODY
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UNDERSTAND THATHE WENT TO HARVARD.
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SEE THE LITTLE HARVARDBOXER SHORTS THERE?
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SO THE PRODUCER
STARTED ASKING THE CAST
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TO REFER TO ME
AS "CHRIS HARVARD."
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THERE WE GO.
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AND AS SOON
AS THAT HAPPENED,
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I KNEW THAT
I WOULD NEVER HAVE A CHANCE
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TO BE A SYMPATHETIC CHARACTER
WITH PEOPLE. ( laughs )
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HARVARD WHAT?HARVARD SUCKS.
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AND YOU ARE YALE'S WHAT?I'M YALE'S BITCH.
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LET'S GO! LOUDER!
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YALE'S NUMBER ONE!COME ON!
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♪
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THE CHARACTER
WAS BASED ON
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THE SILVER SPOON,
RICH, SNOBBY KIDS.
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AND IT WORKED FOR ME.
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Announcer:
WEIGHING IN AT 250 POUNDS,
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HE IS THE ONLYHARVARD GRADUATE
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IN WORLD WRESTLINGENTERTAINMENT HISTORY...
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CHRISTOPHER NOWINSKI!
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AND SO I WAS ON
MONDAY NIGHT RAW
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18 MONTHS AFTER
MY FIRST DAY IN THE RING.
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AND WHAT MOST AMUSING
WAS THE SHOW WAS DONE SO WELL,
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THAT EVEN THE WRESTLERS IN WWE
THOUGHT I WAS THAT GUY.
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AND SO EVERYONE HATED ME
IN THE LOCKER ROOM. ( laughs )
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YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE GRATEFULTO HAVE SOMEONE
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OF MY INTELLIGENCEIN YOUR PRESENCE.
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( crowd boos )
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BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PEOPLECAN'T RELATE TO A GUY LIKE ME.
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BECAUSE AFTER ALL,I AM A HARVARD GRADUATE.
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PHYSICALLY, IT WAS
THE HARDEST THING I EVER DID.
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FAR HARDER THAN FOOTBALL.
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Announcer 1:
NOW WHERE'S NOWINSKI GOING?
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THIS IS SOMETHINGWE DON'T NORMALLY SEE.
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Announcer 2:
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY.
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I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
WATCHING ON TELEVISION
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CAN QUITE APPRECIATE
HOW DANGEROUS IT REALLY IS.
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THE MARGIN OF ERROR
IS INCREDIBLY SMALL.
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SO IF ANY TIMING OR ANYONE'S
POSITIONING IS OFF BY INCHES...
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SOMEONE'S GONNA GET HURT.
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Announcer: THAT'S SOMETHINGYOU CAN'T STUDY FOR AT HARVARD.
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AND I REMEMBER
THE TAG TEAM MATCH
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IN JUNE OF 2003.
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I HIT THE GROUND
AND I FORGOT WHERE WE WERE.
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I FORGOT
WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THE RING.
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I FORGOT THE STORY LINE.
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I FORGOT
WHAT WAS COMING NEXT.
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I JUST REMEMBER
THEY KEPT PINNING ME.
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AND I COULDN'T REMEMBER
IF THIS WAS THE ONE
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I WAS SUPPOSED TO STAY DOWN ON
FOR THE THREE-COUNT
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OR THE ONE
THAT I KICK OUT OF.
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MY HEAD WAS KILLING ME.
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AND YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WENT
INTO A COLD, DARK PLACE
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INSIDE THE CIVIC CENTER.
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I REMEMBER BEING IN
JUST MY SHORTS AND MY BOOTS
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LAYING ON
A COLD CONCRETE GROUND,
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TRYING TO MAKE
THE THROBBING GO AWAY.
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SO THEN I WENT HOME
AND THEN I WAS LIKE,
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WELL, I GOTTA GO
TO THE GYM EVERY DAY,
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BECAUSE I GOT
TO STAY IN SHAPE.
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SO I'D GO TO THE GYM,
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AND I'D GET NAUSEOUS
AFTER 10 MINUTES.
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IN MY MIND, WHEN I WOULD
ONLY LAST 10 MINUTES
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AND WOULD GET SICK,
I THOUGHT THAT'S NOT A SIGN
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I SHOULD NOT GO TO THE GYM,
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THAT'S A SIGN THAT
MY GOAL TOMORROW
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SHOULD BE TO LAST
15 MINUTES. ( laughs )
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AND IT WAS JUST,
KNOWING WHAT I KNOW NOW,
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THAT WAS REALLY STUPID.
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I KEPT THINKING,
I'M GONNA GET BETTER TOMORROW.
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AND AFTER 12 MONTHS
OF CONSTANT HEADACHES
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AND SLEEPWALKING
AND MEMORY PROBLEMS,
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I JUST NEVER GOT BETTER.
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AND SO THAT WAS THE LAST TIME
I EVER GOT NEAR A RING.
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A FRIEND SAID,
"THERE'S A GUY
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"WHO'S CONSIDERED
A CONCUSSION GURU
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"THAT'S NOT TOO FAR
FROM YOUR PLACE.
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MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO SEE HIM."
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Dr. Robert Cantu: WELL,
MY HISTORY GOES BACK A BIT.
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IN 1986, I WROTE THE FIRST
RETURN TO PLAY GUIDELINES
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FOR PEOPLE
AFTER A CONCUSSION.
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Chris:
I WALKED INTO DR. CANTU'S OFFICE
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THINKING I HAD NEVER
HAD A CONCUSSION IN MY LIFE.
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HE SAID, "OKAY,
WELL, HOW MANY TIMES
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"HAVE YOU BEEN HIT IN THE HEAD
AND YOU'VE SEEN STARS
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OR YOU GOT DIZZY?"
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Dr. Cantu:
THE SKY CHANGES COLOR
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OR NOT BEING ABLE
TO REMEMBER THE PLAY
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OR BEING STUNNED.
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Announcer:
THAT'S CHRIS NOWINSKI.
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Announcer 2:
YEP, THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION.
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Chris:
"OR YOU GOT DOUBLE VISION?
OR YOU WERE NAUSEOUS?
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OR YOU BLACKED OUT?"
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AND I WAS LIKE,
"ALL THE TIME." ( laughs )
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"IT'S ALL THE TIME. WHY?"
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AND HE GOES, "WELL, THOSE ARE
ACTUALLY CONCUSSIONS AS WELL."
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I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT
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I HAD BEEN
GLADLY EXPOSING MYSELF
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TO REPETITIVE CONCUSSIONS
FOR 19 YEARS
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AND HAD NEVER HAD
THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE
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ABOUT WHAT A CONCUSSION WAS.
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Dr. Douglas Smith:
IT'S CALLED CONCUSSION
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OR MILD TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY,
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BUT THERE'S
NOTHING MILD ABOUT IT.
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IT'S ONLY MILD
COMPARED TO SEVERE BRAIN INJURY
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IF SOMEBODY'S IN A HOSPITAL BED
WITH TUBES AND EVERYTHING
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FOR DAYS OR MONTHS.
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♪
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THE BRAIN IS ELASTIC,
IT'S LIKE A JELLO MOLD.
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AND IT WIGGLES AROUND.
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IN A CONCUSSION, YOUR BRAIN
CHANGES SHAPE VERY QUICKLY.
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THE REALLY SENSITIVE AREA
OF THE BRAIN IS THE WHITE MATTER
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WHERE ALL THESE NERVE FIBERS
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TRAVEL FROM ONE PART
OF YOUR BRAIN TO ANOTHER,
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ALLOWING YOUR BRAIN
TO COMMUNICATE.
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IN A CONCUSSION, THESE AXONS
GET QUICKLY STRETCHED.
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AND THAT CAUSES INJURY
IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY.
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IF I KIND OF MAKE A CYLINDER
AND I PULL IT APART,
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IT JUST GETS
THINNER AND THINNER.
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THE SAME MATERIAL, IF I APPLY
THIS VERY DYNAMIC STRETCH...
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IT'S HOW FAST I STRETCHED IT.
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AND IT BROKE.
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AND THAT RAPID STRETCH
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DOESN'T BREAK
THESE NERVE FIBERS,
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BUT IT CAN DAMAGE
PARTS OF THOSE NERVE FIBERS.
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SO THEY'RE LIKE A GARDEN HOSE
AND INSIDE ARE RAILROAD TRACKS
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CALLED MICRO-TUBULES
THAT TRANSPORT MATERIAL
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BACK AND FORTH
THROUGHOUT THE AXON.
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AND IF YOU BREAK
THE RAILROAD TRACKS,
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ALL TRANSPORT STOPS.
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IT'S LIKE THE TRAIN CAR
JUST FELL OFF THE TRACKS THERE
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AND EVERYTHING CAN PILE UP.
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FOR EXAMPLE, THESE VERY STICKY,
GLOMMY TAO PROTEINS.
249
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AND OVER EVEN MORE TIME,
250
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THE REST BREAK BECAUSE
OF A CHEMICAL DESTRUCTION
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OF THOSE MICRO-TUBULES.
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IF YOU DISCONNECT THESE AXONS,
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THEY'RE GONE FOREVER.
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YOU CAN FUNCTION
WITHOUT QUITE A FEW AXONS
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AT A CERTAIN POINT,
BUT YOU'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE.
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♪
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Chris: I BELIEVE
COACH MURPHY'S ON RECORD
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SAYING I WAS
THE BEST ATHLETE OF OUR CLASS.
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SOME DEBATED THAT.
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YOU DON'T DENY THAT.
HE HAD SAID THAT.
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THERE'S SOME DEBATE OF THAT.
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I'M JUST SAYING.
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ISAIAH KACYVENSKI
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WAS MY TEAMMATE IN COLLEGE.
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WE WERE ROOMMATES
AND SHARED A BUNK BED.
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YEAH,
BASICALLY MY BEST FRIEND.
267
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AND HE WENT ON
TO PLAY EIGHT YEARS IN THE NFL.
268
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CLOSING IN ON ME!
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( both laugh )
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AND HE WAS A GUY
WHO HAD A LOT OF CONCUSSIONS.
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( grunting )
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Isaiah: ARE YOU GONNA BE OKAY?
273
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I THOUGHT THE WWE
TOUGHENED YOU UP A LITTLE.
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THAT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO.
275
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AND WHEN I STARTED
HAVING THESE PROBLEMS,
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I STARTED TALKING TO HIM
ABOUT IT.
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HE WAS LIKE,
"I DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT IT.
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"YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO GO
DOWN THERE ON SPECIAL TEAMS
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"AND BLOW UP WEDGES EVERY WEEK.
THAT'S MY JOB.
280
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"I'M GETTING
DINGED ALL THE TIME.
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I CAN'T BE THINKING ABOUT
THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES."
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( grunts )
283
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GOOD JOB.
THANKS.
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LET'S GO.
285
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( grunts )
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Isaiah: YEAH,
SO THE FIRST CONCUSSION WAS...
287
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I THINK IT WAS MY SECOND
OR THIRD GAME WITH THE RAMS.
288
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WE'RE RUNNING DOWN ON A KICK-OFF
JUST ABSOLUTELY AMPED UP,
289
00:12:25,771 --> 00:12:28,074
JUST TRYING TO BE A KAMIKAZE.
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IT WAS THE ONE HIT
IN MY ENTIRE LIFE
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I HAVE NEVER SEEN COMING.
292
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( groans )
293
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AND I REMEMBER
LOOKING UP AT THE SCOREBOARD
294
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AND SEEING HALF OF IT
JUST DISAPPEAR.
295
00:12:40,952 --> 00:12:43,623
I REMEMBER GETTING UP
AND TRYING TO WALK
296
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AND REALIZING I WAS WALKING
TO THE WRONG SIDELINE
297
00:12:46,224 --> 00:12:50,095
AND FEELING
AN ABSOLUTE EMBARRASSMENT.
298
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I REMEMBER
THE ONE THING THAT SCARED ME
299
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WAS THEM HOLDING UP
A SMELLING SALT
300
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AND PUTTING IT
RIGHT UNDER MY NOSE.
301
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TOOK A HUGE WHIFF,
NOTHING.
302
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PUT TWO OF THEM
UNDER THERE.
303
00:13:02,106 --> 00:13:05,242
TOOK ANOTHER
TWO MORE HUGE WHIFFS, NOTHING.
304
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TWENTY MINUTES GO BY, UM...
305
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SOME OF THE VISION'S BACK.
IT WASN'T PERFECT.
306
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AND I REMEMBER THE DOCTORS
COMING BACK TO ME AND SAYING,
307
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"ARE YOU READY
TO GO BACK IN THE GAME?"
308
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AND, UH...
309
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I SAID YES.
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I WENT BACK IN
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AND FELT LIKE CRAP
THE WHOLE WEEK AFTER THAT.
312
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I REMEMBER
WANTING THE TEAM DOCTOR
313
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TO STEP IN TO SAY,
"NO, HE CAN'T PLAY.
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THERE'S NO WAY HE'S PLAYING."
AND IT NEVER HAPPENED.
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KICK-OFF,
I PLAYED SPECIAL TEAMS.
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I ALREADY HAD A 40-YARD
HEAD START, FULL SPEED.
317
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EVERYTHING OPENED UP. IT WAS
JUST ME AND THE BALL CARRIER.
318
00:13:45,581 --> 00:13:47,983
AND YOU HAVE
THIS SPLIT-SECOND DECISION.
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WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO?
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I REMEMBER COMING TO.
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THE WHOLE SIDE OF MY BODY,
MY FACE,
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ALL THE WAY DOWN
TO MY ARMS AND MY LEGS
323
00:14:01,296 --> 00:14:04,499
WERE LIKE JUST ABSOLUTELY NUMB.
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A LINEBACKER IN THE NFL
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IS LIKE A SODA CAN
YOU DRINK UP AND JUST CHUCK.
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♪
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Chris: WHEN YOU WOULD
READ THE BIG STUDIES
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ON HOW MANY CONCUSSIONS
WERE HAPPENING
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IN A SPORT LIKE FOOTBALL,
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THEY WOULD SAMPLE
20,000 ATHLETES
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AND THEY WOULD SAY,
"WELL, 5% HAD CONCUSSIONS,"
332
00:14:24,318 --> 00:14:26,487
AND THAT WAS
ASSUMED TO BE FACTUAL.
333
00:14:26,487 --> 00:14:28,288
BUT FOOTBALL PLAYERS
334
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DON'T SPEAK UP
WHEN THEY HAVE THESE SYMPTOMS.
335
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SO I KNEW
THAT NUMBER WAS WRONG,
336
00:14:32,693 --> 00:14:35,161
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW
HOW WRONG IT WAS.
337
00:14:35,161 --> 00:14:38,031
SO I DUG AROUND
AND FOUND SIX OTHER STUDIES
338
00:14:38,031 --> 00:14:39,499
WHO'D ACTUALLY SURVEYED
THE PLAYERS DIRECTLY
339
00:14:39,499 --> 00:14:41,601
AND TAKEN THE WORD "CONCUSSION"
OUT OF THE QUESTION
340
00:14:41,601 --> 00:14:44,804
AND FOUND THAT IT WASN'T 5%
OF PEOPLE GETTING CONCUSSIONS,
341
00:14:44,804 --> 00:14:47,340
IT WAS 50%.
342
00:14:47,340 --> 00:14:49,342
AND SO YOU DID
THE QUICK MATH ON THAT,
343
00:14:49,342 --> 00:14:51,343
YOU KNOW,
50% OF FOOTBALL PLAYERS
344
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HAVE SYMPTOMS
AFTER A HIT TO THE HEAD,
345
00:14:53,479 --> 00:14:55,581
AND EACH ONE
IS SUPPOSED TO SIT OUT
A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME,
346
00:14:55,581 --> 00:14:58,917
YOU REALIZE THAT FOOTBALL
IS VIRTUALLY UNSUSTAINABLE.
347
00:14:58,917 --> 00:15:00,452
BECAUSE IF YOU DIAGNOSE
EVERY CONCUSSION,
348
00:15:00,452 --> 00:15:01,920
YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE
ON THE SIDELINE,
349
00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,322
YOU CAN BARELY PLAY THE GAME.
350
00:15:03,322 --> 00:15:04,922
AND THAT'S WHAT HELPED ME
REALIZE THAT,
351
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WELL, EITHER WE HAVE TO CHANGE
THE TERMS OF THE ARGUMENT
352
00:15:07,326 --> 00:15:08,926
OR WE HAVE TO STOP
PLAYING THE GAME,
353
00:15:08,926 --> 00:15:10,362
OR WE HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION.
354
00:15:10,362 --> 00:15:14,098
IN 2004,
I STARTED WRITING FURIOUSLY,
355
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COMPILING THE DATA
WITH MY STORY AND OTHER STORIES
356
00:15:18,436 --> 00:15:19,637
INTO HEAD GAMES,
357
00:15:19,637 --> 00:15:21,639
THE GOAL BEING
IF YOU READ THIS BOOK,
358
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YOU WON'T THROW AWAY
YOUR CAREER LIKE I DID.
359
00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:27,545
THEN I REALIZED I HAD NO IDEA
HOW YOU GET A BOOK PUBLISHED.
360
00:15:28,945 --> 00:15:31,982
I SAW THE MANUSCRIPT,
I STILL REMEMBER MY REACTION.
361
00:15:31,982 --> 00:15:34,519
IT WASN'T THE MAIN NARRATIVE,
362
00:15:34,519 --> 00:15:37,254
IT WAS THE FOOTNOTES
THAT BLEW ME AWAY.
363
00:15:37,254 --> 00:15:41,124
I MEAN, THIS GUY
HAD REALLY DONE HIS WORK.
364
00:15:41,124 --> 00:15:46,596
Chris: SO THE BOOK CAME OUT
IN NOVEMBER OF 2006.
365
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IN IT, I WROTE A CHAPTER
366
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ABOUT THE BRAINS
OF TWO FORMER NFL PLAYERS,
367
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TERRY LONG AND MIKE WEBSTER,
WHO DIED YOUNG,
368
00:15:54,270 --> 00:15:56,406
AND THEY WERE
DIAGNOSED WITH
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CHRONIC TRAUMATIC
ENCEPHALOPATHY.
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Mike Webster:
THE GAME OF FOOTBALLIN THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE
371
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IS NOT AT ALL LIKEA LOT OF PEOPLE PERCEIVE IT.
372
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IT'S NOT A GAME.
373
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I THINK IT'S A WAR, MYSELF.( laughs )
374
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Alan Schwarz:
WHEN MIKE WEBSTER DIED IN 2002,
375
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HIS BODY ENDED UP
ON THE TABLE OF A CORONER
376
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WHOSE NAME WAS BENNET OMALU,
A NEURO-PATHOLOGIST.
377
00:16:22,297 --> 00:16:26,100
AND HE SAID, "I WONDER
IF THIS FOOTBALL PLAYER--
378
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"BECAUSE THESE GUYS GET THEIR
HEADS BANGED AROUND A LOT--
379
00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:31,306
"I WONDER IF HE HAS
ANY OF THE BRAIN DAMAGE
380
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ASSOCIATED WITH BOXERS."
381
00:16:33,308 --> 00:16:37,445
SO JUST ON A HUNCH, HE DID
THE STAINS OF THE BRAIN TISSUE
382
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THAT TO THAT POINT HAD NOT BEEN
DONE ON ANY FOOTBALL PLAYER.
383
00:16:40,448 --> 00:16:43,183
AND LOW AND BEHOLD,
IT CAME OUT POSITIVE.
384
00:16:43,183 --> 00:16:48,155
WOW. IT'S NOT JUST BOXERS
WHO GET THIS.
385
00:16:48,155 --> 00:16:51,960
( crowd cheering )
386
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,028
Dr. Ann McKee: IN THE 1920s,
LAY PEOPLE AND SPORTS WRITERS
387
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CALLED BOXERS
WHO HAD BEEN IN THE RING
388
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"SLUG NUTTY" AND "PUNCH DRUNK,"
"GOOFY."
389
00:17:02,101 --> 00:17:04,972
AND THEY ALSO CALLED IT
"DEMENTIA PUGILISTICA."
390
00:17:04,972 --> 00:17:06,740
THAT GAVE IT
A MORE MEDICAL TERM.
391
00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:10,243
SOMEHOW ALONG THE LINES,
PEOPLE STARTED TALKING ABOUT
392
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CHRONIC TRAUMATIC
ENCEPHALOPATHY
393
00:17:11,644 --> 00:17:13,779
AND THAT WAS THE NAME
THAT SORT OF STUCK.
394
00:17:13,779 --> 00:17:15,381
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING
AT THIS DISEASE,
395
00:17:15,381 --> 00:17:17,383
I THINK ONE
OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS
396
00:17:17,383 --> 00:17:22,455
IS HOW EXTRAORDINARILY DENSE
THE PATHOLOGY IS.
397
00:17:22,455 --> 00:17:24,222
IT'S LIKE PATHOLOGY
ON STEROIDS.
398
00:17:24,222 --> 00:17:25,558
IN A NORMAL BRAIN,
THERE WOULD BE
399
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ABSOLUTELY NO BROWN
VISIBLE WHATSOEVER,
400
00:17:27,492 --> 00:17:29,628
EVERYTHING WOULD LOOK
THIS LIGHT, LIGHT CREAM COLOR.
401
00:17:29,628 --> 00:17:32,832
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S
TREMENDOUS ABNORMALITIES
402
00:17:32,832 --> 00:17:34,399
THROUGHOUT THE GREY MATTER.
403
00:17:34,399 --> 00:17:37,369
SOME PLACES,
IT'S EXTREMELY DENSE.
404
00:17:37,369 --> 00:17:38,837
AND THEN LOOK AT IT
UNDER THE MICROSCOPE,
405
00:17:38,837 --> 00:17:40,505
AND I HAVE IT HERE,
406
00:17:40,505 --> 00:17:43,240
YOU CAN SEE A TREMENDOUS LOSS
OF NERVE CELLS.
407
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,644
THE REMAINING CELLS
ARE SCARRED
408
00:17:45,644 --> 00:17:49,781
AND FILLED WITH
THIS ABNORMAL TAO PROTEIN,
409
00:17:49,781 --> 00:17:52,984
WHICH DISTURBS THE CELL
AND CAUSES IT TO MALFUNCTION.
410
00:17:52,984 --> 00:17:55,152
AND EVENTUALLY IT DIES.
411
00:17:55,152 --> 00:17:58,689
SO WE'LL CUT INTO THE BRAIN.
412
00:18:02,826 --> 00:18:05,663
REALLY SMALL HIPPOCAMPUS NOW.
413
00:18:05,663 --> 00:18:07,431
THAT'S THE MEMORY COMPONENT.
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00:18:07,431 --> 00:18:09,800
HE'S GOT SHRINKAGE
OF THAT PART OF THE BRAIN.
415
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,670
THIS DISEASE HAS THESE
VERY DIFFICULT SYMPTOMS.
416
00:18:12,670 --> 00:18:15,138
IT DESTROYS
SORT OF YOUR PERSONALITY
417
00:18:15,138 --> 00:18:17,140
IN A WAY
THAT OBSERVERS THINK,
418
00:18:17,140 --> 00:18:19,075
"ARE THEY JUST HAVING
A MID-LIFE CRISIS?
419
00:18:19,075 --> 00:18:21,945
ARE THEY HAVING
SOME SORT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL
OR ADJUSTMENT REACTION?"
420
00:18:21,945 --> 00:18:24,280
BUT ACTUALLY
IT'S STRUCTURAL BRAIN DISEASE.
421
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,682
Alan Schwarz: BY THIS TIME,
422
00:18:25,682 --> 00:18:27,417
IT'S CAUSING
SOME RIPPLES IN THE NFL,
423
00:18:27,417 --> 00:18:30,419
BUT NOTHING
IN THE POPULAR PRESS,
424
00:18:30,419 --> 00:18:32,421
AND NOTHING CERTAINLY
IN THE POPULAR CONSCIOUSNESS.
425
00:18:32,421 --> 00:18:34,289
Chris:
YOU LOOK FOR A DISEASE
426
00:18:34,289 --> 00:18:36,458
THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT
WAS A ONE-IN-A-MILLION SHOT
427
00:18:36,458 --> 00:18:39,929
AND THE FIRST TWO
FOOTBALL PLAYERS TESTED HAVE IT,
428
00:18:39,929 --> 00:18:41,396
YOU'D THINK PEOPLE
WOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
429
00:18:41,396 --> 00:18:42,998
BUT IT WASN'T NEWS ANYWHERE.
430
00:18:42,998 --> 00:18:45,667
Alan Schwarz: TOWARD CHRISTMAS
OF 2006, THE PHONE RINGS.
431
00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,536
IT'S CHRIS NOWINSKI SAYING,
432
00:18:47,536 --> 00:18:50,539
"I HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA
PROBABLY BE PRETTY BIG.
433
00:18:50,539 --> 00:18:52,808
"AND I'M NOT SURE
WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
434
00:18:52,808 --> 00:18:55,744
AND YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE
WHO EVER TOOK ME SERIOUSLY."
435
00:18:55,744 --> 00:19:00,481
AND IT WAS
THE ANDRE WATERS SUICIDE.
436
00:19:00,481 --> 00:19:03,217
Chris: ANDRE WATERS
COMMITTED SUICIDE
437
00:19:03,217 --> 00:19:04,885
NOVEMBER 20th, 2006.
438
00:19:04,885 --> 00:19:07,221
AND HE WAS A COACH
AND HE WAS WORKING
439
00:19:07,221 --> 00:19:10,992
AND IT WASN'T MONEY PROBLEMS,
AND IT SEEMED KIND OF BIZARRE.
440
00:19:10,992 --> 00:19:13,060
ANDRE WATERS WAS KNOWN
AS ONE OF THE HARDEST HITTING
441
00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:14,795
DEFENSIVE BACKS
OF HIS GENERATION,
442
00:19:14,795 --> 00:19:17,765
PLAYING IN THE MID-TO-LATE-80s
THROUGH THE EARLY-90s.
443
00:19:17,765 --> 00:19:21,102
AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT CHRIS NOWINSKI DID
444
00:19:21,102 --> 00:19:24,237
WHEN HE LEARNED
OF THE SUICIDE
445
00:19:24,237 --> 00:19:26,373
WAS TO SAY,
"GEE, I WONDER IF HE HAD
446
00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:29,676
A SIGNIFICANT HISTORY
OF HEAD TRAUMA."
447
00:19:29,676 --> 00:19:31,143
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU MADEA PERFECT HIT,
448
00:19:31,143 --> 00:19:32,412
WHEN YOU HEAR THE GUY GRUNT,
449
00:19:32,412 --> 00:19:33,980
ESPECIALLY RUNNING BACK,
450
00:19:33,980 --> 00:19:36,883
AND THEN HE COME RUNNIN'THROUGH THE HOLE AGAIN
451
00:19:36,883 --> 00:19:38,384
AND HE SEES YOU.
452
00:19:38,384 --> 00:19:39,953
I LIKE TO HIT THINGS.
453
00:19:39,953 --> 00:19:42,621
I CAN GET ALL MYFRUSTRATION OUT ON THE FIELD.
454
00:19:42,621 --> 00:19:45,091
Chris:
AND I WAS SHOCKED TO FIND
455
00:19:45,091 --> 00:19:46,759
THAT HE WAS QUOTED
IN THE NEWSPAPER
456
00:19:46,759 --> 00:19:49,028
SAYING HE STOPPED COUNTING
HIS CONCUSSIONS AT 15
457
00:19:49,028 --> 00:19:51,697
AND HE WOULD JUST GRAB
SMELLING SALTS AND KEEP PLAYING.
458
00:19:53,231 --> 00:19:55,233
Alan Schwarz:
WHEN CHRIS HAD THE HUNCH
459
00:19:55,233 --> 00:19:58,503
THAT ANDRE WATERS
MIGHT HAVE HAD CTE,
460
00:19:58,503 --> 00:20:00,405
HE CALLED UP BENNETT OMALU
AND SAID,
461
00:20:00,405 --> 00:20:03,741
"IF I CAN GET SOME
BRAIN TISSUE FOR YOU TO EXAMINE,
462
00:20:03,741 --> 00:20:05,576
WOULD YOU DO IT?"
463
00:20:07,378 --> 00:20:10,248
THE WAY I ORIGINALLY
CRAFTED THAT STORY,
464
00:20:10,248 --> 00:20:12,917
I THOUGHT
IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE CHRIS
465
00:20:12,917 --> 00:20:16,921
HAVING TO CONVINCE THE FAMILY
TO DONATE THE BRAIN.
466
00:20:16,921 --> 00:20:19,456
AND THE TIMES EDITORS,
TO THEIR CREDIT, SAID,
467
00:20:19,456 --> 00:20:22,392
"HEY, WAIT A MINUTE,
WAIT A MINUTE,
THERE'S NEWS HERE."
468
00:20:22,392 --> 00:20:24,461
Jason Stallman: A FORMER
NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE PLAYER
469
00:20:24,461 --> 00:20:26,596
KILLS HIMSELF
WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND
470
00:20:26,596 --> 00:20:27,865
AND A RESEARCHER LINKS
471
00:20:27,865 --> 00:20:29,733
THE DAMAGE IN HIS BRAIN
TO FOOTBALL.
472
00:20:29,733 --> 00:20:31,601
THAT'S ALL THAT
NEEDED TO BE SAID.
473
00:20:31,601 --> 00:20:35,272
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT WAS WHAT
ELEVATED IT TO THE FRONT PAGE.
474
00:20:36,606 --> 00:20:38,075
Alan Schwarz:
THE ANDRE WATERS STORY
475
00:20:38,075 --> 00:20:39,743
RAN DURING THE PLAYOFFS.
476
00:20:39,743 --> 00:20:44,613
I DON'T REMEMBER IT...
MATTERING THAT MUCH,
477
00:20:44,613 --> 00:20:46,615
'CAUSE THERE WERE GAMES
TO BE PLAYED.
478
00:20:46,615 --> 00:20:49,218
♪
479
00:20:59,962 --> 00:21:03,298
Chris: THE REACTION
TO ALAN'S ARTICLE WAS DENIAL.
480
00:21:03,298 --> 00:21:05,134
I MEAN,
IT WAS SHOCKINGLY NEGATIVE.
481
00:21:05,134 --> 00:21:08,336
I WASN'T TOO SURPRISED
BECAUSE IN HEAD GAMES,
482
00:21:08,336 --> 00:21:10,873
I HAD DISSECTED
HOW THE NFL
483
00:21:10,873 --> 00:21:14,375
HAD KEPT THIS ISSUE
HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.
484
00:21:14,375 --> 00:21:16,711
THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY
AND A LOT OF TIME
485
00:21:16,711 --> 00:21:18,446
TRYING TO CONVINCE THE WORLD
THAT CONCUSSIONS
486
00:21:18,446 --> 00:21:20,215
DON'T HAVE
ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES.
487
00:21:20,215 --> 00:21:24,219
Alan Schwarz: WHAT FOOTBALL
BEGAN TO APPRECIATE
488
00:21:24,219 --> 00:21:26,154
IN THE LATE-70s AND 80s
489
00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:30,557
WAS HOW GUYS LIKE
ROGER STAUHBACH, STEVE YOUNG,
490
00:21:30,557 --> 00:21:32,426
TROY AIKMAN
APPEARED TO BE HAVING
491
00:21:32,426 --> 00:21:34,229
MORE AND MORE PROBLEMS
WITH CONCUSSIONS.
492
00:21:34,229 --> 00:21:35,662
THEY WERE MISSING TIME.
493
00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:39,466
THESE VERY VALUABLE COMMODITIES
WERE NOT PLAYING.
494
00:21:39,466 --> 00:21:41,468
"GEE, I WONDER
IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT
495
00:21:41,468 --> 00:21:43,570
HOW TO KEEP THEM
ON THE FIELD."
496
00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:46,840
SO IN 1994, PAUL TAGLIABUE
FORMED A COMMITTEE
497
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,543
CALLED THE MILD TRAUMATIC
BRAIN INJURY COMMITTEE.
498
00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:53,546
AND IT ALLOWED
THE LEAGUE TO SAY,
499
00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:55,815
"LOOK, WE HAVE THIS
COMMITTEE OF DOCTORS,
500
00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:58,085
THEY ARE INDEPENDENT,"
THEY CLAIMED,
501
00:21:58,085 --> 00:22:00,987
ALTHOUGH MANY OF THEM WERE ON
THE PAYROLL OF NFL TEAMS.
502
00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:03,556
NONETHELESS,
IT'S BEING CHAIRED
503
00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:05,792
BY THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR
OF THE LEAGUE.
504
00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:08,293
NONETHELESS,
THEY'RE INDEPENDENT.
505
00:22:08,293 --> 00:22:11,831
THEY BEGAN TO ASSESS
WHAT THE EFFECTS
506
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:15,433
OF CONCUSSION WERE
IN NFL PLAYERS.
507
00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:17,869
AND SO BY THE FIFTH,
SIXTH, SEVENTH
508
00:22:17,869 --> 00:22:21,240
OF WHAT BECAME
A 13-PAPER SERIES,
509
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,774
THEY BEGAN
MAKING STATEMENTS
510
00:22:22,774 --> 00:22:27,212
ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING
WAS HUNKY DORY IN THE NFL,
511
00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:29,281
HOW THESE PLAYERS WERE NOT
SUFFERING FROM ANY PROBLEMS.
512
00:22:29,281 --> 00:22:31,550
THEIR DATA SHOWED THAT
THERE ARE NO COGNITIVE EFFECTS
513
00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:33,785
IN THESE PLAYERS.
514
00:22:33,785 --> 00:22:36,387
THE PROBLEM WAS
IF YOU LOOKED VERY CAREFULLY
515
00:22:36,387 --> 00:22:37,989
AT THE LANGUAGE
THAT THEY WERE USING,
516
00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:40,858
THEY WERE MAKING STATEMENTS
THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE.
517
00:22:40,858 --> 00:22:42,860
IF THE OLDEST GUY
THAT YOU STUDY IS 35,
518
00:22:42,860 --> 00:22:44,595
YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY CONCLUDE
519
00:22:44,595 --> 00:22:46,797
THAT CONCUSSIONS DON'T HAVE
LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES.
520
00:22:46,797 --> 00:22:48,666
IF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY
DID HAVE CONCUSSION PROBLEMS
521
00:22:48,666 --> 00:22:49,934
AND HAD TO RETIRE,
522
00:22:49,934 --> 00:22:51,535
THEY WOULD DROP OUT
OF THE STUDY.
523
00:22:51,535 --> 00:22:53,103
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE
FOLLOWED UP ON.
524
00:22:53,103 --> 00:22:55,840
THEY ALSO HAD SOME
MATHEMATICAL ERRORS
525
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,708
THAT WERE PRETTY EASY--
I LIKE TO THINK.
526
00:22:58,708 --> 00:23:01,444
I MEAN, A SPORTS WRITER
FOUND THEM, OKAY?
527
00:23:01,444 --> 00:23:03,847
WELL, I THINK
THERE WAS MORE THAN BAD SCIENCE.
528
00:23:03,847 --> 00:23:07,884
I HONESTLY THINK
THERE WAS A POINT OF VIEW
529
00:23:07,884 --> 00:23:12,121
OF TRYING TO BE PROTECTIVE
OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.
530
00:23:12,121 --> 00:23:16,726
IN MOST OTHER SPORTS, THE CHANCE
OF INJURY IS INCIDENTAL.
531
00:23:16,726 --> 00:23:19,461
IN FOOTBALL,
THE CHANCE OF INJURY
532
00:23:19,461 --> 00:23:25,001
AND LONG-TERM SERIOUS EFFECTS
IS FUNDAMENTAL.
533
00:23:25,001 --> 00:23:27,469
AND NO HONEST PERSON
CAN WATCH THIS SPORT
534
00:23:27,469 --> 00:23:29,004
AND NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
535
00:23:29,004 --> 00:23:30,606
Gene Atkins:
IT'S JUST LIKE A BOXER.
536
00:23:30,606 --> 00:23:32,007
IF YOU BOX SO MANY YEARS
537
00:23:32,007 --> 00:23:33,976
AND KEEP GETTINGHIT IN THE HEAD,
538
00:23:33,976 --> 00:23:36,979
SOONER OR LATER SOMETHING'SGONNA HAPPEN TO THE BRAIN.
539
00:23:36,979 --> 00:23:38,780
♪
540
00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:41,316
Chris: GENE ATKINS
IS A FORMER NFL PLAYER
541
00:23:41,316 --> 00:23:42,851
WHO PLAYED STRONG SAFETY
542
00:23:42,851 --> 00:23:45,720
FOR THE NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
AND MIAMI DOLPHINS.
543
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,123
GENE WAS KNOWN
AS A BIG HITTER.
544
00:23:48,123 --> 00:23:50,591
HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
AT LEAST A COUPLE CONCUSSIONS,
545
00:23:50,591 --> 00:23:53,127
ALTHOUGH
HE REMEMBERS MANY MORE.
546
00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:57,265
HE TALKED ABOUT TIMES
WHERE HE WOULD SEE DOUBLE
547
00:23:57,265 --> 00:23:59,532
AND GRAB A GUYS JERSEY
TO FIND HIS WAY TO THE HUDDLE
548
00:23:59,532 --> 00:24:01,135
AND WAIT FOR IT
TO CLEAR UP.
549
00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:03,470
I MEAN, HE WAS TOUGH,
HE DIDN'T WANNA EVER COME OUT.
550
00:24:06,007 --> 00:24:09,010
WHEN THE ANDRE WATERS STORY
WENT PUBLIC,
551
00:24:09,010 --> 00:24:12,280
THE EX-WIFE OF GENE ATKINS
SENT ME AN EMAIL SAYING,
552
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,615
"GENE IS EVERYTHING THAT
I READ ABOUT ANDRE WATERS--
553
00:24:15,615 --> 00:24:18,518
THE MEMORY PROBLEMS,
THE IMPULSE CONTROL ISSUES."
554
00:24:18,518 --> 00:24:20,519
HE WAS IN A VERY DARK PLACE.
555
00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:21,922
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS
556
00:24:21,922 --> 00:24:24,657
HE SURVIVED
MULTIPLE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS.
557
00:24:24,657 --> 00:24:30,729
I'VE BEEN THERE.I UNDERSTAND HOW IT FEELSTO WANNA TAKE YOUR LIFE.
558
00:24:30,729 --> 00:24:34,667
AND IT'S A SCARY FEELINGBECAUSE
559
00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:38,405
EVERY DAY I WAKE UPIS A CHALLENGE FOR ME.
560
00:24:38,405 --> 00:24:39,939
I'M JUST A MESS RIGHT NOW.
561
00:24:39,939 --> 00:24:42,074
Chris: WHEN I SAW
AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVENE,
562
00:24:42,074 --> 00:24:44,209
I WAS ABLE TO RAISE SOME MONEY
TO FLY GENE OUT,
563
00:24:44,209 --> 00:24:47,413
ALONG WITH HIS CURRENT WIFE,
TO SEE DR. CANTU,
564
00:24:47,413 --> 00:24:50,548
WHO SPENT HOURS
EVALUATING HIM.
565
00:24:50,548 --> 00:24:53,952
Dr. Cantu: 9, 7, 8, 4, 3, 2...
566
00:24:53,952 --> 00:24:55,820
THOSE DIGITS,
TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE.
567
00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:59,557
REPEAT THEM.
9, 7, 8, 4, 3, 2.
568
00:24:59,557 --> 00:25:01,693
9, 7, 8...
569
00:25:05,263 --> 00:25:07,799
4, 3, 2.
4, 3, 2.
570
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,935
GENE, REPEAT THE MONTHS
OF THE YEAR BETWEEN JANUARY--
571
00:25:10,935 --> 00:25:14,238
LET'S FIND SOMETHING ELSE.
AND JUNE.
572
00:25:14,238 --> 00:25:15,806
PARDON ME?
573
00:25:15,806 --> 00:25:17,874
JUST PICK SOMETHING ELSE TO DO
'CAUSE I CAN'T DO THAT.
574
00:25:17,874 --> 00:25:19,243
TRY.
575
00:25:19,243 --> 00:25:24,781
JANUARY... MAY...
APRIL...
576
00:25:24,781 --> 00:25:27,516
Chris: I WOULD SAY GENE ATKINS
IS CERTAINLY NOT ALONE.
577
00:25:27,516 --> 00:25:29,052
CAN YOU DO IT
SEQUENTIALLY?
578
00:25:29,052 --> 00:25:31,587
LIKE JANUARY, FEBRUARY,
MARCH, APRIL...
579
00:25:31,587 --> 00:25:32,889
Chris:
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
580
00:25:32,889 --> 00:25:34,191
THAT ARE IN
THE PRIME OF THEIR LIVES,
581
00:25:34,191 --> 00:25:36,259
BUT THEIR BRAIN
HAS NOT STAYED WITH THEM.
582
00:25:36,259 --> 00:25:37,526
JUNE...
583
00:25:37,526 --> 00:25:39,262
WHAT'S BEFORE JUNE?
584
00:25:39,262 --> 00:25:41,264
JULY?
585
00:25:41,264 --> 00:25:42,798
♪
586
00:25:42,798 --> 00:25:44,800
HERE'S ANOTHER DATA POINT.
587
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,069
LINEMEN SUSTAIN 60%
OF THEIR IMPACTS IN PRACTICE,
588
00:25:47,069 --> 00:25:49,672
54% IN TIGHT ENDS,
52 RECEIVERS,
589
00:25:49,672 --> 00:25:51,639
31% IN QUARTERBACKS.
590
00:25:51,639 --> 00:25:53,309
IMPACT ACCELERATIONS
TO HEAD ALSO VARY BY...
591
00:25:53,309 --> 00:25:55,643
Chris: IN RESPONSE
TO THE HUGE ACTIVITY
592
00:25:55,643 --> 00:25:57,046
ON THIS ISSUE
IN 2007,
593
00:25:57,046 --> 00:26:00,081
THE SPORTS LEGACY INSTITUTE
WAS FOUNDED.
594
00:26:00,081 --> 00:26:03,685
DR. CANTU AND I REALIZED
THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE WORK
595
00:26:03,685 --> 00:26:06,554
ON EDUCATION AND POLICY
DRIVEN OFF OF THE RESEARCH
596
00:26:06,554 --> 00:26:08,356
TO KEEP
THESE ATHLETES SAFER.
597
00:26:08,356 --> 00:26:10,492
I MEAN, SO MAYBE
THAT'S PART OF THE IDEA,
TOO, IS THAT MAYBE
598
00:26:10,492 --> 00:26:12,827
DRIVE TO PUT THE STAKE
IN THE GROUND TO GET
PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT
599
00:26:12,827 --> 00:26:14,829
AND THEN SEE
WHAT COMES OF IT, YEAH.
600
00:26:14,829 --> 00:26:16,563
AND THEN, YOU KNOW,
I WANT TO PUT TOGETHER
601
00:26:16,563 --> 00:26:17,831
A COMMITTEE OF COACHES FOR...
602
00:26:17,831 --> 00:26:20,035
Chris:
WHEN SPORTS LEGACY INSTITUTE
603
00:26:20,035 --> 00:26:22,636
AND BOSTON UNIVERSITY
SCHOOL OF MEDICINE PARTNERED,
604
00:26:22,636 --> 00:26:24,038
WE CREATED THE CENTER
FOR THE STUDY
605
00:26:24,038 --> 00:26:26,408
OF TRAUMATIC ENCEPHALOPATHY.
606
00:26:26,408 --> 00:26:28,642
AND NOW DR. STERN
HEADS THE CLINICAL RESEARCH,
607
00:26:28,642 --> 00:26:32,578
DR. McKEE HEADS THE PATHOLOGICAL
RESEARCH AND BASIC SCIENCES,
608
00:26:32,578 --> 00:26:34,848
DR. CANTU
IS OUR CONCUSSION EXPERT,
609
00:26:34,848 --> 00:26:36,950
AND THEN MY ROLE
IS FACILITATE THE RESEARCH.
610
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:38,818
Woman on phone:
I'M SORRY, WHO IS THIS?
611
00:26:38,818 --> 00:26:41,954
THIS IS CHRIS NOWINSKI
FROM BOSTON UNIVERSITY
SCHOOL OF MEDICINE.
612
00:26:41,954 --> 00:26:44,090
Chris: AND WHEN
AN ATHLETE PASSES AWAY...
613
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:46,692
I READ ABOUT HIS PASSING TODAY.
AND I'M REALLY SORRY
TO BE CALLING.
614
00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:49,463
I KNOW I'M THE LAST PERSON
IN THE WORLD YOU WANT
TO HEAR FROM...
615
00:26:49,463 --> 00:26:55,301
Chris:
IT'S MY JOB TO CALL THE FAMILY
TO SEE IF THE BRAIN'S AVAILABLE.
616
00:26:55,301 --> 00:26:57,403
Dr. Robert Stern: WHAT WE'D LIKE
TO DO DURING THIS CALL
617
00:26:57,403 --> 00:27:02,041
IS TO GO OVER THE RESULTS
OF DR. McKEE'S EXAMINATION
618
00:27:02,041 --> 00:27:04,009
OF YOUR HUSBAND'S BRAIN,
BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO
619
00:27:04,009 --> 00:27:07,846
IS START OFF BY GIVING
A SUMMARY BECAUSE
620
00:27:07,846 --> 00:27:09,047
WE KEEPOUR INFORMATION SEPARATE.
621
00:27:09,047 --> 00:27:10,715
SO THIS WILL BETHE FIRST TIME
622
00:27:10,715 --> 00:27:14,319
THAT DR. McKEE REALLYHEARS THE WHOLE STORY.
623
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:15,687
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
624
00:27:15,687 --> 00:27:17,956
Woman on phone:
YEAH, I HEAR YOU GREAT.
625
00:27:17,956 --> 00:27:20,358
OKAY, YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND
WERE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS,
626
00:27:20,358 --> 00:27:22,094
SO YOU'VE REALLY
GROWN UP WITH HIM.
627
00:27:22,094 --> 00:27:23,828
Dr. Stern:
AFTER DR. McKEE HAS COMPLETED
628
00:27:23,828 --> 00:27:25,696
HER EXAMINATION
OF THE BRAIN,
629
00:27:25,696 --> 00:27:27,832
WE'LL ALL GET TOGETHER
ON THE PHONE
630
00:27:27,832 --> 00:27:29,301
WITH THE FAMILY MEMBERS.
631
00:27:29,301 --> 00:27:32,504
HE WAS A BOXER,STARTING AT AGE 9,
632
00:27:32,504 --> 00:27:35,072
AND WAS A CHAMP.
633
00:27:35,072 --> 00:27:37,541
HE WAS IN AROUND 98 BOUTS,
634
00:27:37,541 --> 00:27:39,543
AND IN THE RING,
ONLY ONE KNOCKOUT.
635
00:27:39,543 --> 00:27:43,380
FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS,
HE HAD BEEN SHOWING SOME
636
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:48,185
PROBLEMS WITH MEMORY,ATTENTION, PLANNING,AND ORGANIZATION.
637
00:27:48,185 --> 00:27:50,854
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS,
HE COULDN'T EVEN HOLD A THOUGHT.
638
00:27:50,854 --> 00:27:52,856
HIS BEHAVIORBECAME QUITE OUT OF CONTROL.
639
00:27:52,856 --> 00:27:56,392
FOR EXAMPLE,THE WEEK BEFORE HE DIED,
640
00:27:56,392 --> 00:27:58,528
HE WAS RESPONDING
TO YOUR 14-YEAR-OLD SON'S WISH
641
00:27:58,528 --> 00:28:02,599
FOR GETTING SOME HELP
GETTING READY FOR A TRIP,
642
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,868
UH, AND, UH...
643
00:28:04,868 --> 00:28:08,971
HE THEN WOUND UP
TRYING TO SUFFOCATE
644
00:28:08,971 --> 00:28:12,074
YOUR SONTO TEACH HIM A LESSON.
645
00:28:12,074 --> 00:28:17,913
HE WAS SEEN PSYCHIATRICALLYAND THEN HE DECIDED
646
00:28:17,913 --> 00:28:20,449
TO TAKE HIS LIFE
IN FRONT OF YOU
647
00:28:20,449 --> 00:28:21,817
BY THE GUNSHOT WOUND
648
00:28:21,817 --> 00:28:27,189
WITH THE KIDS, UM,RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
649
00:28:27,189 --> 00:28:30,791
THIS IS A GUY WHO WAS
A GREAT FATHER AND HUSBAND,
650
00:28:30,791 --> 00:28:34,929
AND THEN BECAME
A DIFFERENT PERSON.
651
00:28:34,929 --> 00:28:36,797
Dr. McKee:
THEN IT GOES TO ME
652
00:28:36,797 --> 00:28:38,833
AND I SAY WHAT I SAW
IN THE BRAIN.
653
00:28:38,833 --> 00:28:41,637
IT'S INCREDIBLY HARD
654
00:28:41,637 --> 00:28:45,173
BECAUSE YOU FEEL SO MUCH
FOR SOME OF THESE FAMILIES.
655
00:28:45,173 --> 00:28:47,441
WELL, AS YOU KNOW,
WE RECEIVED THE TISSUE
656
00:28:47,441 --> 00:28:51,245
FROM THE OFFICE
OF THE CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER.
657
00:28:51,245 --> 00:28:52,580
AND WE DID FIND
658
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:55,416
IN MOST OF THE PIECESOF CEREBRAL CORTEX
659
00:28:55,416 --> 00:28:58,118
DENSE ACCUMULATIONS
OF THAT PROTEIN TAO
660
00:28:58,118 --> 00:29:02,155
THAT WE DO SEE BUILD UP
IN THE BRAINS OF INDIVIDUALS
661
00:29:02,155 --> 00:29:04,024
THAT HAVE CHRONICTRAUMATIC ENCEPHALOPATHY.
662
00:29:04,024 --> 00:29:06,426
AND I WOULD SAYIT WAS VERY SUBSTANTIAL
663
00:29:06,426 --> 00:29:10,297
FOR AN INDIVIDUALWHO DIED AT THE AGE OF 40.
664
00:29:10,297 --> 00:29:14,501
Woman on phone: WAS THEREANYTHING THAT WE COULDHAVE DONE, HAD WE KNOWN?
665
00:29:14,501 --> 00:29:19,539
Dr. Stern: NO, WE'RE SO EARLY IN
THE STUDY OF THIS DISEASE
666
00:29:19,539 --> 00:29:22,241
THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANSWERS,
667
00:29:22,241 --> 00:29:23,842
YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF TREATMENT
CAN BE DONE.
668
00:29:23,842 --> 00:29:26,512
HOPEFULLY IT GIVES YOU
SOME AMOUNT OF COMFORT
669
00:29:26,512 --> 00:29:29,248
KNOWING THAT YOUR HUSBAND
WAS REALLY STRUGGLING
670
00:29:29,248 --> 00:29:31,517
WITH A STRUCTURAL DISEASE
AND THAT HE WASN'T,
671
00:29:31,517 --> 00:29:35,321
YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE THROES
OF SOME PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER.
672
00:29:35,321 --> 00:29:38,056
Woman on phone: IT DOESBRING ME GREAT COMFORT,
673
00:29:38,056 --> 00:29:39,791
BUT IT ALSOBRINGS ME THIS GUILT
674
00:29:39,791 --> 00:29:41,993
BECAUSE I WASSO ANGRY WITH HIM.
675
00:29:41,993 --> 00:29:46,331
IT HURTS ME TO THINKHE WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN.
676
00:29:46,331 --> 00:29:48,166
YEAH.
677
00:29:48,166 --> 00:29:52,704
Woman on phone:
I'M SO THANKFUL.
678
00:29:52,704 --> 00:29:56,040
IT GIVES CURTIS A LITTLE BITOF SELF-RESPECT BACK.
679
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,042
IT'S A REAL GIFT.
680
00:29:58,042 --> 00:29:59,644
Dr. Stern:
ANYTHING WE CAN DO FOR YOU,
681
00:29:59,644 --> 00:30:01,044
WE'RE HERE FOR YOU.
682
00:30:01,044 --> 00:30:02,714
Woman on phone:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
683
00:30:02,714 --> 00:30:04,716
ALL RIGHT, TAKE CARE.
684
00:30:04,716 --> 00:30:08,118
Woman on phone:
THANK YOU. BYE-BYE.
685
00:30:11,689 --> 00:30:13,257
( sighs )
686
00:30:43,386 --> 00:30:46,921
Alan Schwarz:
IN JUNE OF 2007, THE LEAGUE,
687
00:30:46,921 --> 00:30:49,924
IN LARGE MEASURE
BECAUSE OF THE STORIES
THAT WE HAD BEEN RUNNING,
688
00:30:49,924 --> 00:30:54,963
HELD A SUMMIT OF ALL
THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS
FROM EVERY TEAM,
689
00:30:54,963 --> 00:30:58,733
AS WELL AS SOME LEAGUE OFFICIALS
TO DISCUSS THE STATE
OF THE RESEARCH.
690
00:30:58,733 --> 00:31:02,504
JUST BEFORE THIS,
A FOURTH PLAYER
691
00:31:02,504 --> 00:31:05,640
HAD BEEN DIAGNOSED
WITH CHRONIC TRAUMATIC
ENCEPHALOPATHY.
692
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,243
A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT,
WELL, THAT'S ONLY FOUR GUYS.
693
00:31:09,243 --> 00:31:12,514
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T MAKE
STATEMENTS BASED ON FOUR GUYS.
694
00:31:12,514 --> 00:31:17,518
AND I KNEW THAT YOU COULD,
BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING
695
00:31:17,518 --> 00:31:20,120
THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN
IN THE GENERAL POPULATION.
696
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,889
I GOT AN INTERVIEW
697
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:23,691
WITH THE COMMISSIONER
DURING A BREAK,
698
00:31:23,691 --> 00:31:26,794
AND I RECORDED THE CONVERSATION
WITH HIS PERMISSION.
699
00:31:26,794 --> 00:31:30,397
ROGER GOODELL: THERE'S NO RECORDOF A CONCUSSION.
700
00:31:30,397 --> 00:31:33,232
HE MAY HAVE HADTHE CONCUSSION SWIMMING.
701
00:31:33,232 --> 00:31:35,636
HE PLAYED INTHE LEAST RISKIEST POSITION.
702
00:31:35,636 --> 00:31:37,771
Alan Schwarz: HE COULD HAVE HADA CONCUSSION SWIMMING?
703
00:31:37,771 --> 00:31:39,505
Roger Goodell: MY BROTHERHAD A CONCUSSION SWIMMING.
704
00:31:39,505 --> 00:31:41,240
HE HIT HIS HEADON THE SIDE OF THE POOL.
705
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,109
COME ON, ALAN,IT DOES HAPPEN.
706
00:31:43,109 --> 00:31:44,510
A CONCUSSION CAN HAPPEN
707
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:46,412
IN A VARIETYOF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
708
00:31:46,412 --> 00:31:48,013
Alan Schwarz:
FOUR OUT OF FOUR.
709
00:31:48,013 --> 00:31:50,817
ARE YOU SUGGESTINGTHAT ALL FOUR MEN
710
00:31:50,817 --> 00:31:53,720
SUSTAINED THEIR DAMAGEIN FIELDS OTHER THAN FOOTBALL?
711
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,588
Steve James: STOP IT
RIGHT THERE FOR A SECOND.
712
00:31:55,588 --> 00:31:58,457
TAKE US BACK A LITTLE BIT,
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
713
00:31:58,457 --> 00:32:00,058
IN THE MIDDLE
OF THIS CONVERSATION?
714
00:32:00,058 --> 00:32:02,361
I'M SCARED OUT OF MY MIND.
715
00:32:02,361 --> 00:32:04,596
DO YOU REALLY WANNA KNOW?
I'M SCARED OUT OF MY MIND.
716
00:32:04,596 --> 00:32:08,066
I'M STANDING THERE
TALKING TO THE COMMISSIONER
OF THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE,
717
00:32:08,066 --> 00:32:11,336
BASICALLY DUMPING AT HIS FEET
A PROBLEM
718
00:32:11,336 --> 00:32:15,741
THAT I KNEW IN MY BONES
WAS GOING TO BE IMMENSE FOR HIM.
719
00:32:15,741 --> 00:32:21,747
AND IN A WAY, I WAS BECOMING
THE MATH TEACHER THAT I HAD
ALWAYS PLANNED ON BEING.
720
00:32:21,747 --> 00:32:27,485
ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS GET HIM
TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBABILITIES
AT WORK HERE,
721
00:32:27,485 --> 00:32:30,488
THAT IT WASN'T JUST ME
BEING IN A PAIN IN THE ASS,
722
00:32:30,488 --> 00:32:34,225
IT WAS THE FACT THAT
WHEN YOU'RE FOUR OUT OF FOUR
723
00:32:34,225 --> 00:32:37,395
FOR A MILLION-TO-ONE SHOT,
SOMETHING'S UP.
724
00:32:37,395 --> 00:32:41,866
Alan Schwarz:
SO AT THE END OF 2009,
725
00:32:41,866 --> 00:32:44,934
I GET A CALL
FROM A SOURCE OF MINE
726
00:32:44,934 --> 00:32:50,673
WHO HAS A DOCUMENT
THAT HE NEEDS ME TO SEE.
727
00:32:50,673 --> 00:32:51,940
"WHAT IS IT?"
728
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:53,976
"I CAN'T TELL YOU.
TRUST ME."
729
00:32:53,976 --> 00:32:58,914
SO WE MEET AT
A RESTAURANT IN NEW YORK,
730
00:32:58,914 --> 00:33:00,450
AND HE PASSES IT OVER,
731
00:33:00,450 --> 00:33:02,384
AND IT'S A STUDY THAT
THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
732
00:33:02,384 --> 00:33:07,256
HAS DONE
OF RETIRED NFL PLAYERS,
733
00:33:07,256 --> 00:33:09,558
ASKING THEM ALL SORTS
OF HEALTH RELATED QUESTIONS:
734
00:33:09,558 --> 00:33:13,662
DO YOU HAVE HEART DISEASE?
ARTHRITIS? DEPRESSION?
735
00:33:13,662 --> 00:33:17,299
KIDNEY FUNCTION?
THERE'S LIKE 50 PAGES.
736
00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:20,436
AND THEIR FINDING WAS THAT
THE NFL PLAYERS LOOK LIKE
737
00:33:20,436 --> 00:33:22,838
THEY'RE A PRETTY HAPPY
AND HEALTHY GROUP.
738
00:33:22,838 --> 00:33:26,374
BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM
OF PAGE 37 OR SOMETHING,
739
00:33:26,374 --> 00:33:28,409
THERE'S THIS
ONE LITTLE SECTION.
740
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:31,546
AND IT TALKED ABOUT
HOW THEY HAD ASKED,
741
00:33:31,546 --> 00:33:36,417
HAVE YOU BEEN DIAGNOSED
BY A PHYSICIAN AS HAVING
742
00:33:36,417 --> 00:33:40,086
ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE
OR OTHER MEMORY-RELATED DISEASE?
743
00:33:40,086 --> 00:33:42,322
AND THERE WERE THE RATES.
744
00:33:42,322 --> 00:33:45,292
FROM AGE 30 TO 49,
745
00:33:45,292 --> 00:33:48,830
1.9% HAD SAID YES.
746
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:53,166
SO IT WAS 19 TIMES
THAT OF THE NATIONAL POPULATION.
747
00:33:55,635 --> 00:33:57,237
WELL, IT HADN'T
BECOME PUBLIC YET.
748
00:33:57,237 --> 00:33:58,939
I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVER
WOULD HAVE BECOME PUBLIC
749
00:33:58,939 --> 00:34:01,942
HAD IT NOT BEEN LEAKED TO ME.
750
00:34:01,942 --> 00:34:04,076
AND THAT WAS THE GAME CHANGER.
751
00:34:04,076 --> 00:34:06,646
Lou Dobbs: THERE IS A NEW REPORT
FROM THE NFL.
752
00:34:06,646 --> 00:34:10,382
IT'S AN ALARMING REPORT
LINKING FOOTBALL AND DEMENTIA.
753
00:34:10,382 --> 00:34:12,853
IN OTHER MEMORY-RELATED
DISEASES, HOW MUCH HIGHER?
754
00:34:12,853 --> 00:34:15,488
NINETEEN TIMES.
NINETEEN TIMES.
755
00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:18,357
NINETEEN TIMES MORE LIKELY
TO HAVE ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE
756
00:34:18,357 --> 00:34:20,359
OR MEMORY-RELATED DISEASES
757
00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:22,928
THAN MEN WHO NEVER
PLAYED PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL.
758
00:34:22,928 --> 00:34:24,864
Alan Schwarz:
AND CONGRESS,
759
00:34:24,864 --> 00:34:28,066
WHICH HAD SHOWN SOME INTEREST
IN THIS SUBJECT BEFORE,
760
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,669
WAS JUST WAITING
FOR SOMETHING TO ACT UPON.
761
00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:33,104
THIS WAS WHAT
THEY WERE WAITING FOR.
762
00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:34,606
COMMISSIONER GOODELL,
763
00:34:34,606 --> 00:34:38,576
IS THERE A LINK BETWEEN
PLAYING PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL
764
00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:42,413
AND CONTRACTING
A BRAIN-RELATED INJURY
765
00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:48,720
SUCH AS DEMENTIA, ALZHEIMER'S,
DEPRESSION, OR CTE?
766
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,655
CHAIRMAN, THE MEDICAL EXPERTS
SHOULD BE THE ONE
767
00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:52,824
TO BE ABLE
TO CONTINUE THAT DEBATE.
768
00:34:52,824 --> 00:34:54,324
BUT OUR BOTTOM LINE IS,
769
00:34:54,324 --> 00:34:56,293
WE'RE NOT WAITING
FOR THAT DEBATE TO CONTINUE.
770
00:34:56,293 --> 00:34:59,296
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
OUR GAME IS SAFE.
771
00:34:59,296 --> 00:35:01,832
AND WE'RE DOING
EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN
772
00:35:01,832 --> 00:35:05,536
TO CREATE INFORMATION THAT
WE CAN SHARE WITH OUR PLAYERS.
773
00:35:05,536 --> 00:35:08,405
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
RESPONSIBILITY TO SET--
774
00:35:08,405 --> 00:35:11,642
WELL YOU'VE TESTIFIED TO THAT.
YES.
775
00:35:11,642 --> 00:35:16,212
BUT I JUST ASKED YOU
A SIMPLE QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
776
00:35:16,212 --> 00:35:19,215
THE ANSWER IS
THE MEDICAL EXPERTS
WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN I WOULD.
777
00:35:19,215 --> 00:35:21,751
Alan Schwarz: HE'S THE
COMMISSIONER OF THE LEAGUE,
HE'S NOT A SCIENTIST.
778
00:35:21,751 --> 00:35:26,289
AND ONE COULD ARGUE THAT
HE SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW
THE ANSWERS TO THESE THINGS.
779
00:35:26,289 --> 00:35:28,491
...OUR COMMITMENT
TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE
THE SAFEST POSSIBLE--
780
00:35:28,491 --> 00:35:33,328
ALL RIGHT, OKAY, I'VE HEARD IT.
781
00:35:33,328 --> 00:35:37,332
IT SORT OF REMINDS ME
OF THE TOBACCO COMPANIES...
782
00:35:37,332 --> 00:35:39,735
Alan Schwarz: LINDA SANCHEZ
WAS NOT MINCING WORDS.
783
00:35:39,735 --> 00:35:41,536
...THERE'S NO LINK
BETWEEN SMOKING AND, UM...
784
00:35:41,536 --> 00:35:42,939
Alan Schwarz:
SHE BASICALLY SAID,
785
00:35:42,939 --> 00:35:45,574
"YOU HAVE A HEALTH PROBLEM
WITH YOUR PRODUCT
786
00:35:45,574 --> 00:35:47,709
AND YOU'RE COVERING IT UP."
THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID.
787
00:35:47,709 --> 00:35:49,844
"YOU ARE LIKE
THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY."
788
00:35:49,844 --> 00:35:53,515
AND THOSE WORDS DID NOT SIT WELL
WITH ROGER GOODELL.
789
00:35:53,515 --> 00:35:55,382
Rep. Maxine Waters: NO MATTER
WHAT KIND OF HELMET YOU BUILD,
790
00:35:55,382 --> 00:35:58,385
NO MATTER WHAT KIND
OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE,
791
00:35:58,385 --> 00:36:00,287
IT IS A DANGEROUS SPORT.
792
00:36:00,287 --> 00:36:03,257
THE ONLY QUESTION IS,
ARE YOU GOING TO PAY
793
00:36:03,257 --> 00:36:05,026
FOR THE INJURIES
THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED
794
00:36:05,026 --> 00:36:09,897
IN HELPING YOU TO BE A
MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR OPERATION?
795
00:36:09,897 --> 00:36:12,232
Alan Schwarz:
AND HE LEFT THOSE HEARINGS
796
00:36:12,232 --> 00:36:15,502
KNOWING THAT
HE HAD A REAL PROBLEM.
797
00:36:15,502 --> 00:36:17,705
THERE WAS A PROBLEM,
AT LEAST IN PERCEPTION
798
00:36:17,705 --> 00:36:19,840
AND PROBABLY IN REALITY,
799
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,575
AND IT WAS TIME FOR CHANGE.
800
00:36:22,575 --> 00:36:25,378
AND EVERY WEEK,
801
00:36:25,378 --> 00:36:27,780
THERE WAS A NEW CHANGE
IN THE NFL.
802
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:31,050
PLAYERS WERE NO LONGER
ALLOWED TO GO BACK INTO GAMES
803
00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:32,852
AFTER HAVING
SUSTAINED A CONCUSSION.
804
00:36:32,852 --> 00:36:34,587
Dr. H. Hunt Batjer:
THE DEFINITION OF CONCUSSION
805
00:36:34,587 --> 00:36:36,422
HAS BECOME
MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE
806
00:36:36,422 --> 00:36:38,691
TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE
FEELING DINGED
807
00:36:38,691 --> 00:36:43,161
OR A BIT OF CONFUSION,
SEEING STARS,
808
00:36:43,161 --> 00:36:46,431
DIZZY OR VERTIGINOUS
OR POOR BALANCE.
809
00:36:46,431 --> 00:36:50,103
ALL THOSE THINGS
ARE SIGNS OF CONCUSSION.
810
00:36:50,103 --> 00:36:53,138
Dr. Cantu: CRACK BACK BLOCK
CAN'T BE TO THE HEAD.
811
00:36:53,138 --> 00:36:55,107
YOU CANNOT HIT
A DEFENSELESS PERSON
812
00:36:55,107 --> 00:36:58,443
IN THE ACT OF CATCHING A BALL
BEFORE THEY'VE SECURED IT
813
00:36:58,443 --> 00:36:59,978
OR THROWING THE BALL.
814
00:36:59,978 --> 00:37:02,614
THE WEDGE HAS BEEN REDUCED
FROM FOUR MEN TO TWO MEN,
815
00:37:02,614 --> 00:37:05,316
BECAUSE THE PERSON
BREAKING THE WEDGE
816
00:37:05,316 --> 00:37:07,251
WAS LARGELY USING HIS HEAD
TO DO IT.
817
00:37:07,251 --> 00:37:10,721
Alan Schwarz: MAYBE WE CAN GET
AWAY WITH LOSING THESE THINGS
818
00:37:10,721 --> 00:37:13,457
BECAUSE THE REST OF THE GAME
IS STILL GOOD ENOUGH
819
00:37:13,457 --> 00:37:15,127
THAT PEOPLE
WON'T REALLY MISS IT THAT MUCH.
820
00:37:15,127 --> 00:37:19,195
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T
WATCH FOOTBALL ANYMORE
821
00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:21,197
BECAUSE THERE'S NO HEAD SLAPS.
822
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:22,867
"OH, MAN, YOU KNOW
I LOVE THOSE HEAD SLAPS.
823
00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:24,735
"THERE'S NO HEAD SLAPS ANYMORE.
THAT AIN'T FOOTBALL.
824
00:37:24,735 --> 00:37:26,737
WHY DON'T WE JUST
PUT A SKIRT ON THEM."
825
00:37:26,737 --> 00:37:30,007
AND THEN YOU HAD
THE RESIGNATIONS OF THE TWO GUYS
826
00:37:30,007 --> 00:37:33,110
WHO WERE THE HEADS
OF THE COMMITTEE WHO HAD
BEEN SAYING FOR SO LONG,
827
00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:34,511
"THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE, FOLKS,
828
00:37:34,511 --> 00:37:36,813
MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG,
NOTHING TO SEE HERE."
829
00:37:36,813 --> 00:37:40,383
Dr. Cantu: COMMISSIONER GOODELL
HAS SPEAR-HEADED RULES CHANGES.
830
00:37:40,383 --> 00:37:42,385
THEY COMPLETELY
CLEANED HOUSE
831
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:44,854
WITH THE PREVIOUS MILD TRAUMATIC
BRAIN INJURY COMMITTEE.
832
00:37:44,854 --> 00:37:46,723
THEY HAVE PUT IN PLACE
833
00:37:46,723 --> 00:37:48,457
A BRAND-NEW HEAD,
NECK, AND SPINE COMMITTEE
834
00:37:48,457 --> 00:37:52,761
THAT HAS UNIVERSITY NEUROSURGERY
CHAIRS AS CO-DIRECTORS.
835
00:37:52,761 --> 00:37:54,763
THEY EVEN PUT
PROBABLY THEIR BIGGEST CRITIC
836
00:37:54,763 --> 00:37:57,100
AS THE SENIOR ADVISOR
TO THE GROUP.
837
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:58,400
Steve James:
THAT WOULD BE YOU?
838
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,135
THAT WOULD BE ME, YES.
839
00:38:00,135 --> 00:38:03,271
THEN I GOT A CALL FROM
A REPORTER ON A SUNDAY MORNING.
840
00:38:03,271 --> 00:38:05,541
I PICK UP THE PHONE
AT MY HOUSE ON A SUNDAY
841
00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:08,543
AND IT'S SOME CBS REPORTER
WHO'S ASKING...
842
00:38:08,543 --> 00:38:09,978
"HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT
THE MILLION DOLLARS
843
00:38:09,978 --> 00:38:11,847
THE NFL'S GONNA GIVE
BOSTON UNIVERSITY?"
844
00:38:11,847 --> 00:38:14,382
AND I SAID, "I DON'T KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT."
845
00:38:14,382 --> 00:38:18,252
THE OFFER WAS MADE
THROUGH THE MEDIA.
846
00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:20,089
IT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY THAT
847
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:24,826
IT WASN'T PARTIALLY DESIGNED
AS A PR STUNT.
848
00:38:24,826 --> 00:38:28,563
I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT THEIR
CONCERN IS MOSTLY DEFENSIVE,
849
00:38:28,563 --> 00:38:30,565
TO DEFEND THEMSELVES
AGAINST THIS
850
00:38:30,565 --> 00:38:33,433
RATHER THAN
TO PROTECT THE PLAYERS.
851
00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:35,702
Chris:
THE MEDICAL SCHOOL RECOMMENDED
852
00:38:35,702 --> 00:38:39,406
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES
WE ACCEPT ANY MONEY FROM THE NFL
853
00:38:39,406 --> 00:38:41,109
UNLESS IT WAS
AN UNRESTRICTED GIFT.
854
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:43,009
THEY WEREN'T TELLING US WHAT
TO STUDY OR HOW TO STUDY IT,
855
00:38:43,009 --> 00:38:44,845
THEY JUST SAID,
"HERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS,
856
00:38:44,845 --> 00:38:49,116
DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WILL
TO ADVANCE RESEARCH ON CTE."
857
00:38:49,116 --> 00:38:51,985
Alan Schwarz:
AND THEN AT THE END OF DECEMBER,
858
00:38:51,985 --> 00:38:54,587
THE LEAGUE UTTERED
FOR THE FIRST TIME
859
00:38:54,587 --> 00:38:57,323
THAT CONCUSSIONS
HAVE LONG-TERM EFFECTS
860
00:38:57,323 --> 00:38:59,291
IN NFL ATHLETES.
861
00:38:59,291 --> 00:39:01,094
THERE'S ADEQUATE INFORMATION NOW
862
00:39:01,094 --> 00:39:04,430
ON A NUMBER OF AUTOPSIES
THAT ANN McKEE HAS DONE.
863
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:08,434
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT
REPETITIVE HEAD TRAUMA
864
00:39:08,434 --> 00:39:10,469
CAN CAUSE PERMANENT DAMAGE.
865
00:39:10,469 --> 00:39:13,672
Peewee coach:
SAFETY FIRST, SAFETY FIRST.
866
00:39:13,672 --> 00:39:16,942
CLEAR!
867
00:39:16,942 --> 00:39:19,211
YEAH!
868
00:39:19,211 --> 00:39:20,612
( whistle blows )
869
00:39:20,612 --> 00:39:22,047
Peewee coach:
PRIOR TO LAST YEAR,
870
00:39:22,047 --> 00:39:24,649
I HAD VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE
OF CONCUSSIONS.
871
00:39:24,649 --> 00:39:26,584
WHAT, Y'ALL GONNA QUIT ON ME?
872
00:39:26,584 --> 00:39:28,720
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME
STATISTICS THAT SAID
873
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,723
THAT 85% OF THE CONCUSSIONS
GO UN-DIAGNOSED
874
00:39:31,723 --> 00:39:33,323
BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK AT THEM
875
00:39:33,323 --> 00:39:35,026
AS JUST BUMPS OR BRUISES
TO THE HEAD.
876
00:39:35,026 --> 00:39:37,996
COME ON, GUYS, I NEED FOR Y'ALL
TO SPREAD KNUCKLE DOWN.
877
00:39:37,996 --> 00:39:39,363
IT'S ALL OR NEVER, BABY.
878
00:39:39,363 --> 00:39:42,499
AND IF ONE OF OUR CHILDREN
GETS HURT OUT ON THE FIELD,
879
00:39:42,499 --> 00:39:44,635
A CONCUSSION,
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES
880
00:39:44,635 --> 00:39:46,503
IS HE GOING BACK OUT TO PLAY.
881
00:39:46,503 --> 00:39:49,673
WE LET HIM KNOW, "HEY, GOOD JOB,
TAKE IT OFF FOR THE DAY.
882
00:39:49,673 --> 00:39:51,074
EDDIE, WATCH MY LEFT.
883
00:39:51,074 --> 00:39:54,978
HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY, CHRIS.
HEY, WATCH 14, JAM HIM.
884
00:39:54,978 --> 00:39:58,048
GET HIM! GET HIM!
885
00:39:58,048 --> 00:40:00,884
GET HIM! GET HIM! GET THE BALL!
886
00:40:00,884 --> 00:40:03,053
THAT'S A BLOCK IN THE BACK.
887
00:40:03,053 --> 00:40:05,321
GET HIM. GET THE BALL.
888
00:40:05,321 --> 00:40:06,923
( whistle blows )
889
00:40:06,923 --> 00:40:09,959
THAT'S ALL RIGHT. COME ON.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT, GUYS.
890
00:40:09,959 --> 00:40:11,195
THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
891
00:40:11,195 --> 00:40:13,596
DON'T Y'ALL GIVE UP ON ME.
YOU HEAR ME?
892
00:40:13,596 --> 00:40:16,331
MAKE THE STORY ABOUT DAVID
AND GOLIATH COME TRUE.
893
00:40:16,331 --> 00:40:18,000
DAVID CAME BACK.
894
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,469
WE NEED TO PLAY BETTER
THAN WE'RE PLAYING, GUYS.
895
00:40:22,671 --> 00:40:24,240
( crowd cheering )
896
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,409
Announcer: OH, PACIORETTYIS DOWN FACE FIRST!
897
00:40:27,409 --> 00:40:29,178
News anchor:
WELL, IT HAS BECOME
898
00:40:29,178 --> 00:40:31,880
ONE OF THE MOST PERPLEXING
ISSUES IN HOCKEY.
899
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,416
CONCUSSIONS HAVE ALTERED THE
LIVES OF FAR TOO MANY ATHLETES.
900
00:40:34,416 --> 00:40:36,651
Announcer:
THIS IS A MASTICATING HIT!
901
00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:38,787
Announcer:
SERIOUS HEADACHES FOR THE NHL.
902
00:40:38,787 --> 00:40:40,487
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE WORKED
IN THE WRESTLING
903
00:40:40,487 --> 00:40:42,324
AND THE FOOTBALL FIELDS
THE MOST.
904
00:40:42,324 --> 00:40:45,227
WITH TODAY'S NEWS,
HOCKEY IS OBVIOUSLY
A HIGHER PROFILE.
905
00:40:45,227 --> 00:40:48,696
UNFORTUNATELY I THINK
MORE PEOPLE ARE RETIRING
FROM HOCKEY, FROM THE NHL,
906
00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,564
THAN ARE FROM THE NFL
FROM CONCUSSIONS.
907
00:40:50,564 --> 00:40:51,966
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY A SIGN
908
00:40:51,966 --> 00:40:56,804
THAT THE CONCUSSION ISSUE
IS VERY SEVERE.
909
00:40:56,804 --> 00:41:01,075
Keith Primeau: I STARTED
PLAYING PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY
WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD.
910
00:41:01,075 --> 00:41:05,545
PHYSICAL, HARD,
SKATING, POWER FORWARD.
911
00:41:05,545 --> 00:41:06,814
CREATE HAVOC IN THE CORNERS,
912
00:41:06,814 --> 00:41:08,414
CREATE HAVOC
IN THE FRONT OF THE NET,
913
00:41:08,414 --> 00:41:10,516
AND TRY AND SCORE
A DIRTY GOAL.
914
00:41:10,516 --> 00:41:14,854
Announcer: SHOOTS AND SCORES!WHAT A GOAL BY KEITH PRIMEAU!
915
00:41:14,854 --> 00:41:18,325
OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER,
I HAD A COUPLE 30-GOAL SEASONS,
916
00:41:18,325 --> 00:41:20,793
A HANDFUL OF 20-GOAL SEASONS.
917
00:41:20,793 --> 00:41:24,764
SO I WAS CAPABLE
OF PUTTING THE PUCK IN THE NET.
918
00:41:26,866 --> 00:41:29,969
Announcer: PRIMEAU SCORES!THERE IT IS!
919
00:41:29,969 --> 00:41:35,707
KEITH PRIMEAU WINS THIS GAMEIN THE FIFTH OVERTIME!
920
00:41:35,707 --> 00:41:40,445
THE SERIES EVENAT TWO GAMES A PIECE.
921
00:41:40,445 --> 00:41:42,814
FOR ME,
THE BEGINNING OF MY DEMISE
922
00:41:42,814 --> 00:41:44,549
WAS MY SECOND
DOCUMENTED CONCUSSION
923
00:41:44,549 --> 00:41:47,286
IN THE PLAYOFFS
IN MAY OF 2000,
924
00:41:47,286 --> 00:41:49,620
WHERE I WAS OUT AT CENTER ICE.
925
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:52,490
Announcer:
WHOA! PRIMEAU GOT LEVELED!
926
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:55,093
AND HE DID NOT SEE THAT COMING.
927
00:41:55,093 --> 00:41:58,163
HE CAUGHT EVERY PART OF ME
AND I WAS DOWN.
928
00:41:58,163 --> 00:42:00,765
I WAS PROBABLY OUT
FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME,
929
00:42:00,765 --> 00:42:02,900
WHETHER IT WAS 10, 15 SECONDS.
930
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:04,769
TAKEN OFF THE ICE
ON A STRETCHER,
931
00:42:04,769 --> 00:42:07,305
ONLY TO RETURN TO PLAY
TWO NIGHTS LATER.
932
00:42:07,305 --> 00:42:10,908
I WAS OF THE SAME MINDSET
AS EVERYBODY ELSE,
933
00:42:10,908 --> 00:42:13,377
THAT I DIDN'T TAKE
THE INJURY SERIOUSLY.
934
00:42:13,377 --> 00:42:15,313
I THOUGHT IT WAS
A PHANTOM INJURY,
935
00:42:15,313 --> 00:42:19,383
THAT THERE WERE PLAYERS
THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY
936
00:42:19,383 --> 00:42:21,651
SUFFERING THROUGH
POST-CONCUSSION
937
00:42:21,651 --> 00:42:23,586
SO MUCH AS THEY WERE
LOOKING FOR A BREAK.
938
00:42:23,586 --> 00:42:26,089
EVERYBODY PLAYED
WITH BUMPS AND BRUISES.
939
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:30,760
THERE WASN'T A GUY
WHO WASN'T PLAYING THROUGH
SOME TYPE OF INJURY OR PAIN.
940
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,297
AND SO YOU NEEDED TO FIND A WAY
TO TOUGH IT OUT.
941
00:42:34,297 --> 00:42:36,832
AND THERE WAS NOTHING
YOU COULD SAY OR DO
942
00:42:36,832 --> 00:42:41,537
THAT WAS GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND
OR THAT MENTALITY.
943
00:42:41,537 --> 00:42:43,539
DOCUMENTED CONCUSSION
NUMBER THREE,
944
00:42:43,539 --> 00:42:45,541
I TOOK AN ELBOW
TO THE SIDE OF THE HEAD.
945
00:42:45,541 --> 00:42:48,811
AND I THOUGHT I WAS FINE.
946
00:42:48,811 --> 00:42:51,547
I CAME HOME
AND MY WIFE LOOKED AT ME
947
00:42:51,547 --> 00:42:53,349
AND SAID THAT
I DIDN'T LOOK WELL
948
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:56,684
AND THAT I SHOULD PROBABLY
NOT PLAY IN TWO DAYS' TIME.
949
00:42:56,684 --> 00:42:59,554
SHE KNEW THAT I WASN'T RIGHT.
950
00:42:59,554 --> 00:43:01,090
THAT HAPPENED
ON A THURSDAY NIGHT,
951
00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:04,226
AND SATURDAY I WAS DRIVING
TO THE RINK BY MYSELF,
952
00:43:04,226 --> 00:43:07,095
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
I GOT EXTREMELY MOTION SICK.
953
00:43:07,095 --> 00:43:09,998
I COULDN'T FOCUS
AND HAD TO CALL THE TRAINER
954
00:43:09,998 --> 00:43:12,233
AND SAY, "I DON'T FEEL RIGHT."
955
00:43:12,233 --> 00:43:14,534
AND I TURNED AROUND
AND WENT HOME.
956
00:43:19,706 --> 00:43:23,577
IT WAS SIX FULL WEEKS
OF CONCUSSION SYMPTOMS
957
00:43:23,577 --> 00:43:26,247
THAT I HADN'T
EXPERIENCED BEFORE.
958
00:43:31,985 --> 00:43:36,990
AFTER THAT CONCUSSION,
IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR ME
959
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:40,127
TO FOCUS
IN PREPARATION FOR GAMES.
960
00:43:41,995 --> 00:43:44,998
I KNEW HOW FAST
THE GAME MOVED,
961
00:43:44,998 --> 00:43:47,134
AND NOW I FELT
AS THOUGH I WAS MAKING
962
00:43:47,134 --> 00:43:49,969
A CONSCIOUS EFFORT
TO MOVE AT THAT SPEED.
963
00:43:52,071 --> 00:43:53,839
Gary Dorshimer:
PROBABLY THE ONE PLAYER
964
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:57,143
THAT I'VE WORKED WITH
THE LONGEST ABOUT CONCUSSION
965
00:43:57,143 --> 00:43:58,878
WAS KEITH PRIMEAU.
966
00:43:58,878 --> 00:44:00,479
MOTION JUST WAS A BIG PROBLEM.
967
00:44:00,479 --> 00:44:02,281
AND HE WAS VERY SLOW
TO RECOVER.
968
00:44:02,281 --> 00:44:05,884
AND HE WAS VERY FRUSTRATED
BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PLAY,
969
00:44:05,884 --> 00:44:07,952
BUT REALIZED HE COULDN'T.
970
00:44:13,024 --> 00:44:16,027
Keith Primeau: FOLLOWING MY
FOURTH DOCUMENTED CONCUSSION,
971
00:44:16,027 --> 00:44:20,298
I STEPPED INTO THE HEAD ATHLETIC
TRAINER'S OFFICE AND I SAID,
972
00:44:20,298 --> 00:44:22,767
"I THINK I'LL BE READY.
ANOTHER WEEK I'LL BE SET TO GO."
973
00:44:22,767 --> 00:44:24,768
BUT YOU KNOW, I NEED THAT.
I NEED ANOTHER WEEK."
974
00:44:24,768 --> 00:44:26,770
HE KINDA SAT THERE
AND LISTENED TO ME.
975
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:29,107
AND WHEN I WAS DONE,
HE SAID,
976
00:44:29,107 --> 00:44:30,974
"KEITH, WE APPLAUD
YOUR COURAGE
977
00:44:30,974 --> 00:44:32,843
"AND WE THANK YOU
FOR YOUR EFFORTS,
978
00:44:32,843 --> 00:44:36,113
BUT I'LL NEVER GIVE YOU
PERMISSION TO PLAY AGAIN."
979
00:44:36,113 --> 00:44:38,582
AND AT THAT POINT,
MY CAREER WAS OVER.
980
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:42,352
MY SENSE WAS THAT OF RELIEF.
981
00:44:42,352 --> 00:44:44,054
I WAS RELIEVED.
982
00:44:47,157 --> 00:44:48,791
Brendan Shanahan:
YOU KNOW, IN HOCKEY,
983
00:44:48,791 --> 00:44:50,294
THEY HAVE TO TAKE
THE STICK OUT OF YOUR HANDS.
984
00:44:50,294 --> 00:44:52,995
AND I ALWAYS FELT THAT
ABOUT MYSELF AS A PLAYER.
985
00:44:52,995 --> 00:44:54,398
♪
986
00:44:54,398 --> 00:44:56,666
I WON'T JUST LAY IT DOWN.
987
00:44:56,666 --> 00:44:59,669
Announcer: SCORES!SHANAHAN! WHAT A SHOT!
988
00:44:59,669 --> 00:45:01,404
I WAS A PHYSICAL PLAYER,
989
00:45:01,404 --> 00:45:03,005
SIMILAR TO KEITH PRIMEAU.
990
00:45:03,005 --> 00:45:05,141
WE PLAYED SIMILAR STYLES.
991
00:45:05,141 --> 00:45:10,313
I WAS LUCKY IN THAT I HAD
ONE DIAGNOSED CONCUSSION.
992
00:45:10,313 --> 00:45:12,482
I'M SURE I PROBABLY HAD
A FEW EARLIER IN MY CAREER.
993
00:45:12,482 --> 00:45:17,219
SO WHEN THEY APPROACHED ME
AND ASKED ME TO TAKE OVER
994
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:19,221
THIS NEW DEPARTMENT
OF PLAYER SAFETY,
995
00:45:19,221 --> 00:45:22,357
I FELT THAT I COULD HAVE
A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE GAME.
996
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:26,795
WEDNESDAY NIGHT IN CHICAGO,
997
00:45:26,795 --> 00:45:28,430
AN INCIDENT OCCURRED
DURING THE GAME BETWEEN
998
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:31,233
THE CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
AND THE DETROIT RED WINGS.
999
00:45:31,233 --> 00:45:35,703
AT 5:26 OF THE THIRD PERIOD,
DETROIT DEFENSEMAN BRENDAN SMITH
1000
00:45:35,703 --> 00:45:37,705
DELIVERED AN ILLEGAL HIT
TO THE HEAD
1001
00:45:37,705 --> 00:45:39,974
OF CHICAGO FORWARD
BEN SMITH,
1002
00:45:39,974 --> 00:45:41,742
CAUSING HIM
TO LOSE CONSCIOUSNESS.
1003
00:45:41,742 --> 00:45:43,144
AS THE VIDEO SHOWS...
1004
00:45:43,144 --> 00:45:44,879
Chris:
THE NHL THIS YEAR,
1005
00:45:44,879 --> 00:45:48,215
THERE IS A STRONG PUSH
NOT ONLY TO PENALIZE PLAYERS
1006
00:45:48,215 --> 00:45:50,084
BUT TO EDUCATE THEM
IN WHY THEY'RE BEING PENALIZED
1007
00:45:50,084 --> 00:45:52,153
AND SAY, "THIS IS THE FUTURE
OF THE WAY WE'RE GONNA PLAY,
1008
00:45:52,153 --> 00:45:53,554
AND YOU BETTER COME ALONG."
1009
00:45:53,554 --> 00:45:55,489
I'LL START WITH THE PREMISE
THAT AS LONG
1010
00:45:55,489 --> 00:45:57,056
AS WE CONTINUE
TO PLAY HOCKEY,
1011
00:45:57,056 --> 00:45:58,892
THERE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE
TO BE HEAD INJURIES.
1012
00:45:58,892 --> 00:46:00,427
THERE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE
TO BE BRAIN INJURIES.
1013
00:46:00,427 --> 00:46:04,431
BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE PLAYERS
WANNA STOP PLAYING
1014
00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:07,568
AND CERTAINLY DOESN'T WANNA MAKE
FANS STOP WATCHING THE GAME.
1015
00:46:07,568 --> 00:46:10,170
IT'S A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW,
BUT AS AS A PLAYER,
1016
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:13,907
USUALLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING
WE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
1017
00:46:13,907 --> 00:46:16,176
I GUESS WE'RE SUPERSTITIOUS
1018
00:46:16,176 --> 00:46:18,311
ABOUT INJURIES
AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
1019
00:46:18,311 --> 00:46:20,313
Brendan Shanahan:
IT'S OUR GOAL TO ELIMINATE
1020
00:46:20,313 --> 00:46:23,283
AS MANY NEEDLESS INJURIES
AS WE CAN
1021
00:46:23,283 --> 00:46:25,485
AND TO BE VERY CLEAR
AND EDUCATIONAL
1022
00:46:25,485 --> 00:46:27,019
WHEN WE MAKE
THOSE DECISIONS.
1023
00:46:27,019 --> 00:46:28,588
IT'S WHY WE DO THE VIDEOS.
1024
00:46:28,588 --> 00:46:30,956
I HAVE SUSPENDED HIM FOR
THE REMAINDER OF THE PRESEASON
1025
00:46:30,956 --> 00:46:34,059
PLUS 5 REGULAR SEASON GAMES.
1026
00:46:34,059 --> 00:46:38,330
HERE AT THE NHL,
I'M THE NEW ENFORCER.
1027
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:40,432
News anchor:
NHL ENFORCER DEREK BOOGAARD,
1028
00:46:40,432 --> 00:46:43,435
HE DIED EARLIER THIS YEAR
FROM A DRUG OVERDOSE.
1029
00:46:43,435 --> 00:46:46,538
News Anchor: FORMER NHL
HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION BOB ROBERT
1030
00:46:46,538 --> 00:46:49,874
WHO DIED RECENTLY
AT THE AGE OF 45,
HE SUFFERED FROM THIS.
1031
00:46:49,874 --> 00:46:52,443
News anchor:
IT SHOWED THE 28-YEAR-OLD
SUFFERED FROM A BRAIN DISEASE
1032
00:46:52,443 --> 00:46:54,946
AND THE DAMAGE WAS MORE
EXTENSIVE THAN EXPECTED.
1033
00:46:54,946 --> 00:46:58,482
THE RESULTS HAVE SOME CALLING
FOR CHANGES TO THE GAME.
1034
00:46:58,482 --> 00:47:01,219
Ruben Echemendia:
THERE ARE LEAPS TO CONCLUSIONS.
1035
00:47:01,219 --> 00:47:03,487
FOR EXAMPLE,
IF YOU SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE
1036
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:08,225
THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS AN ENFORCER
AND WE FOUND TAO PROTEINS
1037
00:47:08,225 --> 00:47:10,695
BUILDING UP IN HIS BRAIN
IN AN UNUSUAL WAY,
1038
00:47:10,695 --> 00:47:12,495
WHICH IS CTE,
1039
00:47:12,495 --> 00:47:17,500
THAT BEING AN ENFORCER
LEADS TO HAVING CTE,
1040
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,503
AND THAT MAY HAVE LED
TO DEPRESSION AND SUICIDE.
1041
00:47:20,503 --> 00:47:23,106
AND AGAIN, THAT'S CONNECTING
THE DOTS IN A WAY
1042
00:47:23,106 --> 00:47:26,643
THAT ISN'T SUPPORTED
BY THE SCIENCE RIGHT NOW.
1043
00:47:26,643 --> 00:47:28,511
THERE'S ALWAYS
GOING TO BE GAPS IN SCIENCE
1044
00:47:28,511 --> 00:47:30,980
AND WE CANNOT TAKE
VIRTUALLY ANY DISEASE
1045
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:34,049
FROM A TO B TO C TO Z,
1046
00:47:34,049 --> 00:47:38,554
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY
LOOK AT THE BODY OF EVIDENCE
1047
00:47:38,554 --> 00:47:39,955
OVER THE LAST 80 YEARS.
1048
00:47:39,955 --> 00:47:41,490
YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE
THAT EVERYBODY
1049
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:43,359
WHO'S EVER DEVELOPED
THIS DISEASE
1050
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:45,461
TOOK EXTRAORDINARY
BRAIN TRAUMA,
1051
00:47:45,461 --> 00:47:48,930
YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION
THAT TRAUMA IS CAUSING THIS.
1052
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:52,133
WE'RE OUT OF OTHER OPTIONS.
1053
00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:54,869
AND THERE IS ENOUGH EVIDENCE
TO START CHANGING WHAT WE DO.
1054
00:47:54,869 --> 00:47:56,871
WELL, AS THE LEAGUE
HAS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW,
1055
00:47:56,871 --> 00:48:01,676
FIGHTING DOES CONTRIBUTE
TO CAUSING CONCUSSIONS.
1056
00:48:01,676 --> 00:48:04,412
Steve James: SO DO YOU GUYS
MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS
OR DO YOU JUST REPORT?
1057
00:48:04,412 --> 00:48:08,882
NO, OUR ROLE IS NOT
TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
BUT RATHER TO REPORT THE FACTS.
1058
00:48:08,882 --> 00:48:12,953
Bill Daly:
THE LEAGUE IS COMING UP
ON ITS 100th ANNIVERSARY.
1059
00:48:12,953 --> 00:48:15,389
FIGHTING HAS ALWAYS
BEEN PART OF THE GAME.
1060
00:48:15,389 --> 00:48:18,760
YOU CAN'T JUST SNAP YOUR FINGERS
AND SAY, "MAKE IT GO AWAY."
1061
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,096
Dr. Cantu: THERE'S NO QUESTION
THAT EXTRA-CURRICULAR ACTIVITY
1062
00:48:23,096 --> 00:48:28,769
IS A BIT OF AN ENHANCEMENT
FOR A SEGMENT OF THE CROWD.
1063
00:48:28,769 --> 00:48:30,903
BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE IT OUT,
1064
00:48:30,903 --> 00:48:32,905
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK
IT'S PART OF HOCKEY.
1065
00:48:32,905 --> 00:48:36,510
Announcer: WHOA! KEITH PRIMEAUJUMPED McKEVIN FROM BEHIND!
1066
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:39,245
AND RHETT WARNERDIDN'T LIKE IT!
1067
00:48:39,245 --> 00:48:40,714
Keith Primeau:
I WASN'T A FIGHTER.
1068
00:48:40,714 --> 00:48:42,181
UM, I FOUGHT PLENTY.
1069
00:48:42,181 --> 00:48:44,785
I AVERAGED,
OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER,
1070
00:48:44,785 --> 00:48:48,054
A HALF-DOZEN FIGHTS A YEAR.
1071
00:48:48,054 --> 00:48:50,189
THERE WAS ALWAYS
A PURPOSE FOR MY FIGHTING.
1072
00:48:50,189 --> 00:48:52,191
I WAS STICKING UP FOR TEAMMATES,
STICKING UP FOR MYSELF,
1073
00:48:52,191 --> 00:48:54,993
TRYING TO CHANGE
THE TEMPO OF A GAME.
1074
00:48:54,993 --> 00:48:58,263
Chayse Primeau: SOMETIMES I GO
ON YOUTUBE, WATCH HIS FIGHTS.
1075
00:48:58,263 --> 00:48:59,864
( laughs )
1076
00:48:59,864 --> 00:49:02,400
Steve James:
IS IT NICE HAVING A DAD
THAT WAS THAT TOUGH?
1077
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,738
YEAH, PROTECTIVE
1078
00:49:05,738 --> 00:49:07,138
( laughs )
1079
00:49:07,138 --> 00:49:10,742
HE'S PROBABLY
SAW A FEW FIGHTS.
1080
00:49:10,742 --> 00:49:13,611
YEAH, THEY DON'T PUT THE GOALS
ON YOUTUBE.
1081
00:49:13,611 --> 00:49:17,915
THEY'RE YOUTUBING
THE ALTERCATIONS.
1082
00:49:17,915 --> 00:49:20,351
Chayse Primeau: NEXT YEAR,
THE GAME WILL GET MORE PHYSICAL
1083
00:49:20,351 --> 00:49:23,087
AND FASTER,
CAUSE WE'RE GETTING OLDER.
1084
00:49:23,087 --> 00:49:27,224
I'LL BE 15 NEXT YEAR.
1085
00:49:27,224 --> 00:49:29,226
I MEAN, EVEN NOW, TODAY,
1086
00:49:29,226 --> 00:49:31,628
OUR TEAM'S BEATING THAT TEAM
FIVE-NOTHING.
1087
00:49:31,628 --> 00:49:33,831
THEY THINK THEY HAVE
NOTHING ELSE TO DO,
1088
00:49:33,831 --> 00:49:36,367
SO THEY START
GETTING PHYSICAL.
1089
00:49:36,367 --> 00:49:38,101
WHEN WE WENT
IN FRONT OF THE NET,
1090
00:49:38,101 --> 00:49:40,571
THEY STARTED
PUSHING AND SHOVING.
1091
00:49:40,571 --> 00:49:43,239
PART OF THE GAME.
1092
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,975
IF I HAVE TO GET IN A FIGHT,
I'M GONNA.
1093
00:49:45,975 --> 00:49:48,644
BUILDS CHARACTER, I GUESS.
1094
00:49:48,644 --> 00:49:50,279
Steve: HAVE YOU BEEN IN FIGHTS?
1095
00:49:50,279 --> 00:49:53,249
NOT LIKE DROP THE GLOVES,
BUT YEAH, I'VE BEEN IN A FIGHT.
1096
00:49:53,249 --> 00:49:55,118
Steve: AND WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
1097
00:49:55,118 --> 00:49:56,985
IT WASN'T THAT HARD.
1098
00:49:56,985 --> 00:49:59,054
I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY FUN.
( laughs )
1099
00:50:03,526 --> 00:50:06,261
Keith Primeau: TO SEE CHAYSE
GET IN A FIGHT IN A GAME
1100
00:50:06,261 --> 00:50:07,597
WOULD DISAPPOINT ME.
1101
00:50:07,597 --> 00:50:09,398
BECAUSE YOU CAN BE THERE
FOR YOUR TEAMMATE,
1102
00:50:09,398 --> 00:50:12,501
YOU CAN SHOW YOUR COMMITMENT,
YOU CAN SHOW THAT COURAGE,
1103
00:50:12,501 --> 00:50:15,670
ALL AT THE SAME TIME,
NOT HAVING TO DROP YOUR GLOVES.
1104
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:17,672
( crowd cheering )
1105
00:50:17,672 --> 00:50:19,207
AS A HOCKEY TRADITIONALIST,
1106
00:50:19,207 --> 00:50:22,244
I'VE HELD STEADFAST
OF THE BELIEF
1107
00:50:22,244 --> 00:50:25,514
THAT THERE'S A PLACE IN THE GAME
FOR FIGHTING.
1108
00:50:25,514 --> 00:50:29,818
I ACCEPTED THE INHERENT RISK.
I WAS A WILLING COMBATANT.
1109
00:50:29,818 --> 00:50:32,353
WITH MORE THOUGHT,
I REALLY WONDER
1110
00:50:32,353 --> 00:50:33,889
IF THERE IS A PLACE
FOR FIGHTING IN THE GAME,
1111
00:50:33,889 --> 00:50:36,223
ULTIMATELY, IF WE'RE
GOING TO PROTECT OUR PLAYERS
1112
00:50:36,223 --> 00:50:38,925
THE BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN.
1113
00:50:38,925 --> 00:50:41,094
WHAT HAPPENS IF,
IN A GAME, WE HAVE
1114
00:50:41,094 --> 00:50:43,564
HALF THE GUYS COMPETING
AND HALF THE GUYS AREN'T?
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
1115
00:50:43,564 --> 00:50:45,800
WE'RE GONNA LOSE.
WE'RE GONNA LOSE.
1116
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,535
SO YOU GOT HALF THE GUYS
DOING THE DRILL RIGHT
1117
00:50:47,535 --> 00:50:50,470
AND HALF THE GUYS
CHEATING AND CUTTING IT OFF.
1118
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:52,640
DO IT RIGHT.
1119
00:50:55,175 --> 00:50:56,911
THROW ME THE PUCK.
1120
00:50:56,911 --> 00:50:59,913
I STILL SUFFER
THROUGH SYMPTOMS.
1121
00:50:59,913 --> 00:51:01,314
HEADS UP.
1122
00:51:01,314 --> 00:51:03,450
OVER THE COURSE
OF THE LAST TWO YEARS,
1123
00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:07,186
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAY
THAT I'M IN A GOOD PLACE,
1124
00:51:07,186 --> 00:51:11,724
ONLY TO REGRESS--
HEADACHES AND HEAD PRESSURE,
1125
00:51:11,724 --> 00:51:16,195
EXTREMELY FATIGUED,
DIFFICULTY WITH VISION,
1126
00:51:16,195 --> 00:51:19,731
LIGHT-HEADED, IRRITABLE.
1127
00:51:19,731 --> 00:51:23,936
IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT I TALK
TO PLAYERS WHO HAD GONE THROUGH
THE SAME PROBLEMS I HAD.
1128
00:51:23,936 --> 00:51:26,205
AND I, AT FIRST,
I WAS HESITANT,
1129
00:51:26,205 --> 00:51:30,742
BUT THEN I FOUND
SOME REAL COMFORT AND SOLACE
1130
00:51:30,742 --> 00:51:32,276
IN HEARING THEIR STORY
1131
00:51:32,276 --> 00:51:35,747
AND KNOWING THAT
I WASN'T LOSING MY MIND,
1132
00:51:35,747 --> 00:51:37,816
THAT WHAT I WAS FEELING,
1133
00:51:37,816 --> 00:51:41,152
WHAT I WAS SUFFERING THROUGH
WAS GENUINE.
1134
00:51:41,152 --> 00:51:42,820
I KNOW THAT
I'VE DAMAGED MY BRAIN.
1135
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:45,056
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I AM
20 YEARS FROM NOW.
1136
00:51:45,056 --> 00:51:47,925
I NEED TO CONTINUE
TO BE BRAVE
1137
00:51:47,925 --> 00:51:49,927
AND WORK TOWARDS
THE END GOAL,
1138
00:51:49,927 --> 00:51:52,597
WHICH IS 100% RECOVERY.
1139
00:51:52,597 --> 00:51:58,068
COME ON, DON'T QUIT.
DON'T QUIT. DON'T QUIT.
1140
00:51:58,068 --> 00:52:03,073
THERE YOU GO.
( laughs )
1141
00:52:04,274 --> 00:52:06,510
( crowd cheering )
1142
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,579
Announcer:
USA WILL BEND IT ACROSS.
1143
00:52:09,579 --> 00:52:12,983
GOAL PARLOW!
1144
00:52:12,983 --> 00:52:16,586
Cindy Parlow Cone: I WAS 17,
YOUNGEST PLAYER EVER
1145
00:52:16,586 --> 00:52:19,588
TO WIN AN OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL
AND A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
1146
00:52:19,588 --> 00:52:22,591
I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH
TO PLAY IN THREE OLYMPICS,
1147
00:52:22,591 --> 00:52:24,527
WINNING TWO GOLD MEDALS
AND A SILVER.
1148
00:52:24,527 --> 00:52:28,764
ANNOUNCER: DRIVES IT ACROSS,CHASTAY, PARLOW, DOUBLE HEADER!
1149
00:52:28,764 --> 00:52:31,132
GOAL PARLOW!
1150
00:52:31,132 --> 00:52:33,536
I'M ALMOST SIX FEET TALL.
1151
00:52:33,536 --> 00:52:36,438
AND YOU CAN'T BE THIS TALL
AND NOT COMPETE IN THE AIR.
1152
00:52:36,438 --> 00:52:39,675
I SCORED 50% OF MY GOALS
WITH MY HEAD.
1153
00:52:39,675 --> 00:52:43,144
YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT FOOTBALL
AND HEAD INJURIES,
1154
00:52:43,144 --> 00:52:45,146
BUT A NEW STUDY
SHOWS THAT SOCCER
1155
00:52:45,146 --> 00:52:46,414
MAY COME WITH SOME RISKS, TOO.
1156
00:52:46,414 --> 00:52:48,416
Alan Schwarz:
GIRL SOCCER PLAYERS
1157
00:52:48,416 --> 00:52:52,420
REPORT CONCUSSIONS MORE OFTEN
THAN BOY SOCCER PLAYERS.
1158
00:52:52,420 --> 00:52:53,955
SAME AS BASKETBALL.
1159
00:52:53,955 --> 00:52:57,825
AND THEY ALSO SEEM TO RECOVER
MORE SLOWLY THAN BOYS.
1160
00:52:57,825 --> 00:53:00,528
SO THIS WAS NOT JUST
A BOYS' FOOTBALL INJURY.
1161
00:53:00,528 --> 00:53:02,429
Announcer:
WE TOLD YOU HOW ROUGH IT IS.
1162
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,732
WATCH THE TUGGING, THE PUSHING,THE GRABBING, THE KICKING.
1163
00:53:04,732 --> 00:53:06,266
ALL THE FOULS...
1164
00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:08,735
Cindy: FROM HEAD TO TOE,
IT'S A CONTACT SPORT.
1165
00:53:08,735 --> 00:53:10,237
Announcer: ROUGH STUFF.
1166
00:53:10,237 --> 00:53:11,805
IN 2001, I WAS PLAYING
1167
00:53:11,805 --> 00:53:13,774
FOR THE WOMEN'S UNITED
SOCCER ASSOCIATION.
1168
00:53:13,774 --> 00:53:15,742
MY POOR PARENTS
WERE WATCHING THE GAME
1169
00:53:15,742 --> 00:53:17,778
ON TV AT HOME IN MEMPHIS
1170
00:53:17,778 --> 00:53:19,980
AND THEY SEE ME,
I GO UP FOR A HEADER
1171
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,050
AND ACTUALLY ONE OF MY OWN
TEAMMATES HITS ME IN THE TEMPLE.
1172
00:53:23,050 --> 00:53:26,319
Announcer 1: HOOPER!AND TWO PLAYERS ARE DOWN.
1173
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:28,321
IS THAT PARLOW?PARLOW AND HOOPER.
1174
00:53:28,321 --> 00:53:29,589
Announcer 2:
I THINK THEY HIT HEADS.
1175
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:30,924
I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING HIT.
1176
00:53:30,924 --> 00:53:33,192
I REMEMBER WATCHING THE BALL
COME TO MY HEAD
1177
00:53:33,192 --> 00:53:34,760
AND I WAS TRYING
TO TIME IT CORRECTLY
1178
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,862
AND THEN THE NEXT THING,
EVERYONE STANDING OVER ME,
1179
00:53:36,862 --> 00:53:38,664
SEEING IF I'M OKAY.
1180
00:53:38,664 --> 00:53:40,533
Announcer: BALLS IN THE AIR,THEY'RE BOTH TRYING TO HEAD IT.
1181
00:53:40,533 --> 00:53:43,669
NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, THEYABSOLUTELY CLOCKED EACH OTHER.
1182
00:53:43,669 --> 00:53:46,005
NOW BOTH PLAYERSHAVE GOT TO BE SHOOK UP...
1183
00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:49,474
AND SO I ACTUALLY CONTINUED
TO PLAY UNTIL HALF TIME.
1184
00:53:49,474 --> 00:53:51,743
Announcer: SHE'S WOOZY, THOUGH,YOU CAN SEE IT.
1185
00:53:51,743 --> 00:53:54,179
SHE'S ABLE TO SMILE,BUT I TELL YA...
1186
00:53:54,179 --> 00:53:55,981
I DIDN'T SEE WHAT
THE BIG DEAL WAS.
1187
00:53:55,981 --> 00:53:58,149
A COUPLE DAYS AFTER,
THE HEADACHE WAS GONE,
1188
00:53:58,149 --> 00:54:00,251
I DIDN'T HAVE
TOO MANY SYMPTOMS,
1189
00:54:00,251 --> 00:54:02,119
AND I WANTED
TO GET BACK AT IT.
1190
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:03,488
KNOWING WHAT I KNOW NOW,
1191
00:54:03,488 --> 00:54:05,490
I AM SO THANKFUL
THAT THEY SAT ME OUT
1192
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:07,025
AND WOULDN'T LET ME PLAY.
1193
00:54:07,025 --> 00:54:10,427
AFTER MY FIRST CONCUSSION
WHERE I WAS KNOCKED OUT,
1194
00:54:10,427 --> 00:54:13,364
EVERY TIME I WOULD DO
HEADING IN PRACTICE
1195
00:54:13,364 --> 00:54:15,666
OR IA REALLY HARD HEADER
IN THE GAME, I WOULD SEE STARS.
1196
00:54:15,666 --> 00:54:17,968
SO, SOME PEOPLE
CONSIDER THAT CONCUSSION.
1197
00:54:17,968 --> 00:54:20,537
I'M NOT REALLY SURE,
BUT IF YOU COUNT ALL THOSE,
1198
00:54:20,537 --> 00:54:22,171
WE'RE TALKING TRIPLE DIGITS.
1199
00:54:22,171 --> 00:54:27,111
Steve: WAIT, SO YOU FEEL LIKE
YOU HAD OVER 100 CONCUSSIONS
1200
00:54:27,111 --> 00:54:28,979
WHERE YOU SAW STARS
OF SOME SORT?
1201
00:54:28,979 --> 00:54:30,613
Cindy: OH, YEAH, AT LEAST.
1202
00:54:30,613 --> 00:54:35,518
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF STARS.
( laughs )
1203
00:54:35,518 --> 00:54:38,655
I REMEMBER
WHEN I TOLD MY PARENTS
1204
00:54:38,655 --> 00:54:40,456
THAT I WAS RETIRING
IN 2004
1205
00:54:40,456 --> 00:54:42,492
BECAUSE OF MY
POST-CONCUSSION SYNDROME.
1206
00:54:42,492 --> 00:54:45,762
THEY WERE ACTUALLY ANGRY
AND DISAPPOINTED A LITTLE BIT,
1207
00:54:45,762 --> 00:54:48,798
IN ME,
AND THAT I WANTED TO RETIRE.
1208
00:54:48,798 --> 00:54:52,802
I THINK THEY FELT LIKE
I WAS JUST QUITTING.
1209
00:54:52,802 --> 00:54:55,537
I WOULD RATHER THEM THINK THAT
THAN TO REALLY KNOW THE TRUTH
1210
00:54:55,537 --> 00:54:57,106
AND WHAT'S BEHIND IT.
1211
00:54:57,106 --> 00:54:58,540
THEY KNOW ABOUT MY HEADACHES,
1212
00:54:58,540 --> 00:55:01,144
THEY KNOW OBVIOUSLY
ABOUT ALL THE MEDICATIONS
1213
00:55:01,144 --> 00:55:02,678
THAT I'VE BEEN ON
TO PREVENT THEM,
1214
00:55:02,678 --> 00:55:04,813
BUT I DON'T THINK
THEY REALLY KNOW
1215
00:55:04,813 --> 00:55:08,083
HOW MUCH IT INTERRUPTS
WITH MY DAILY LIFE.
1216
00:55:08,083 --> 00:55:11,019
I ALWAYS KEEP MY GPS ON.
1217
00:55:11,019 --> 00:55:14,022
I'LL BE DRIVING AROUND
ROADS I KNOW BY HEART
1218
00:55:14,022 --> 00:55:16,223
AND FORGET WHERE I AM.
1219
00:55:16,223 --> 00:55:18,359
HAD A STUTTER
FOR A LITTLE BIT.
1220
00:55:18,359 --> 00:55:21,929
I'M GONNA WORRY MY FAMILY NOW
TELLING YOU ALL THIS. ( laughs )
1221
00:55:21,929 --> 00:55:24,899
MY PARENTS DON'T NEED
TO KNOW ALL THIS, RIGHT?
1222
00:55:24,899 --> 00:55:26,701
♪
1223
00:55:26,701 --> 00:55:29,770
WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG,
PARENTS TRY TO PROTECT THE KIDS.
1224
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:31,772
( whistle blows )
1225
00:55:31,772 --> 00:55:32,940
OUCH!
1226
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:36,309
AND AT SOME POINT,
IT'S ROLE-REVERSAL.
1227
00:55:38,846 --> 00:55:41,715
Laura Rounce: SOCCER'S BEEN
IN HER LIFE AND IN OUR LIFE
1228
00:55:41,715 --> 00:55:45,285
SINCE SHE WAS ABOUT
6 MONTHS OLD.
1229
00:55:45,285 --> 00:55:50,255
Mary Rounce: I WANT TO PLAY
DIVISION 1 COLLEGE SOCCER.
1230
00:55:50,255 --> 00:55:52,926
I MEAN, IF I GOT DRAFTED,
THAT'D BE PRETTY COOL.
1231
00:55:52,926 --> 00:55:54,460
( laughs )
1232
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:56,863
Laura Rounce:
UNFORTUNATELY,
1233
00:55:56,863 --> 00:55:58,630
BECAUSE SHE'S SUCH
AN AGGRESSIVE PLAYER,
1234
00:55:58,630 --> 00:56:03,069
SHE HAS NOT ONLY
GOTTEN ONE CONCUSSION,
1235
00:56:03,069 --> 00:56:05,471
BUT PROBABLY FOUR.
1236
00:56:05,471 --> 00:56:07,606
Mary Rounce:
I REMEMBER AFTER THE FIRST ONE,
1237
00:56:07,606 --> 00:56:10,142
I WAS JUST LIKE, "OH, MY GOD,
MY HEAD HURTS SO BAD."
1238
00:56:10,142 --> 00:56:12,344
AND I WENT TO TAKE A GOAL KICK,
'CAUSE I DIDN'T GO OUT,
1239
00:56:12,344 --> 00:56:14,345
I DIDN'T WANT
TO STOP PLAYING,
1240
00:56:14,345 --> 00:56:16,615
SO I WENT TO TAKE THE KICK
AND I WAS LIKE,
1241
00:56:16,615 --> 00:56:19,617
I WAS LIKE SEEING DOUBLE
AND STUFF, SO...
1242
00:56:19,617 --> 00:56:22,087
Laura Rounce: YOU JUST HEARD HER
SAY IT HURT REALLY BAD,
1243
00:56:22,087 --> 00:56:23,488
SHE HAD DOUBLE VISION,
1244
00:56:23,488 --> 00:56:25,090
SHE DIDN'T PULL HERSELF
OUT OF THE GAME,
1245
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:28,459
SHE DIDN'T TELL THE COACH,
AND SHE DIDN'T TELL US.
1246
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:35,233
Mary Rounce: I DON'T WANNA QUIT
BECAUSE OF INJURIES.
1247
00:56:35,233 --> 00:56:37,568
IT'S JUST WHAT I LOVE TO DO.
1248
00:56:37,568 --> 00:56:40,772
I CAN'T JUST, LIKE, DROP IT.
1249
00:56:40,772 --> 00:56:42,940
SHE'S PRETTY GOOD
AT BEING TOUGH.
1250
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:46,144
SO IF IT'S "I CAN'T TELL MY MOM
'CAUSE THEN I'M DONE,"
1251
00:56:46,144 --> 00:56:50,981
SHE MIGHT NOT TELL ME.
RIGHT?
1252
00:56:50,981 --> 00:56:56,553
( choir singing )
1253
00:57:12,935 --> 00:57:15,805
THERE IS A CONCEPT
OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE.
1254
00:57:15,805 --> 00:57:19,275
SOME OF US DEAL
WITH DISEASE,
1255
00:57:19,275 --> 00:57:22,978
ILLNESS, HARDSHIP,
OR HEARTACHE.
1256
00:57:22,978 --> 00:57:26,982
WE GRIEVE THE LOSS
OF THOSE WHOM WE HAVE LOVED.
1257
00:57:26,982 --> 00:57:31,987
WHEN HE WAS BORN,
HE CAME OUT JUST SCREAMING...
1258
00:57:31,987 --> 00:57:34,722
AND SO MUCH SO THAT
HE HAD TWO VEINS HERE
1259
00:57:34,722 --> 00:57:37,725
THAT WERE JUST OUT...
1260
00:57:37,725 --> 00:57:42,564
RED HAIR, AND THE DOCTOR SAID,
"HE'S A VIKING."
1261
00:57:42,564 --> 00:57:44,566
AND THAT'S OWEN:
1262
00:57:44,566 --> 00:57:46,768
A VIKING FULL OF PASSION.
1263
00:57:46,768 --> 00:57:50,038
News anchor: OFFICIALS AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
1264
00:57:50,038 --> 00:57:52,173
SAY A FOOTBALL PLAYER
FROM LEHIGH COUNTY
1265
00:57:52,173 --> 00:57:55,375
WAS FOUND DEAD
IN HIS OFF-CAMPUS APARTMENT.
1266
00:57:55,375 --> 00:57:56,844
JUNIOR OWEN THOMAS,
1267
00:57:56,844 --> 00:57:58,445
WHO GRADUATED FROM
PARKLAND HIGH SCHOOL,
1268
00:57:58,445 --> 00:58:00,013
WAS FOUND YESTERDAY...
1269
00:58:00,013 --> 00:58:02,348
Eric Laudano: THERE WAS NOTHING
LEADING UP TO HIS SUICIDE,
1270
00:58:02,348 --> 00:58:04,218
AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
1271
00:58:04,218 --> 00:58:08,421
HE WAS AN INCREDIBLE STUDENT
AT AN INCREDIBLE UNIVERSITY,
1272
00:58:08,421 --> 00:58:09,823
ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD,
1273
00:58:09,823 --> 00:58:12,558
AND HE WAS CONSTANTLY
SURROUNDED BY FRIENDS.
1274
00:58:14,727 --> 00:58:17,730
HE PLAYED DEFENSE
AND HE WAS AN AGGRESSIVE PLAYER
1275
00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:21,601
AND HE WAS VOTED
CAPTAIN OF OUR TEAM.
1276
00:58:21,601 --> 00:58:24,670
AND OWEN
WAS A PERSON ON OUR TEAM
1277
00:58:24,670 --> 00:58:26,639
THAT EVERYONE LOOKED UP TO,
1278
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:29,976
AND IT HIT EVERYONE
IN OUR COMMUNITY HARD.
1279
00:58:29,976 --> 00:58:32,477
AND IT STILL DOES TODAY.
1280
00:58:32,477 --> 00:58:34,479
Chris: YOU KNOW,
WHEN I HEAR ABOUT THESE THINGS,
1281
00:58:34,479 --> 00:58:38,516
MY JOB IS TO FIND A WAY
TO GET THEIR BRAIN.
1282
00:58:38,516 --> 00:58:41,119
FOR ME,
IT WAS A SPECIAL CASE.
1283
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,622
THIS WAS AN IVY LEAGUE
DEFENSIVE LINEMAN,
1284
00:58:43,622 --> 00:58:45,790
AND I WAS AN IVY LEAGUE
DEFENSIVE LINEMAN.
1285
00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:48,693
IT WAS LIKE LOSING
ONE OF YOUR OWN.
1286
00:58:48,693 --> 00:58:50,862
SO I TALKED TO HIM QUITE
EXTENSIVELY ON THE PHONE
1287
00:58:50,862 --> 00:58:54,132
AND I SAID, "YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO FIND ANYTHING
1288
00:58:54,132 --> 00:58:57,035
BECAUSE HE NEVER HAD
ANY DOCUMENTED CONCUSSION."
1289
00:58:57,035 --> 00:58:59,304
THAT'S FINE. I SAID,
"I HOPE WE DON'T FIND IT."
1290
00:58:59,304 --> 00:59:01,438
FRANKLY, I'D LOVE TO NOT FIND IT
IN MORE BRAINS
1291
00:59:01,438 --> 00:59:04,508
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE ALMOST
EVERY BRAIN WE GET, WE FIND IT.
1292
00:59:04,508 --> 00:59:06,644
♪
1293
00:59:10,915 --> 00:59:12,650
Jeffrey Geisel:
OWEN WAS AN OUTSTANDING PERSON,
1294
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:15,652
AN OUTSTANDING ATHLETE.
1295
00:59:15,652 --> 00:59:18,055
OWEN GRADUATED
THE YEAR BEFORE WE WENT
1296
00:59:18,055 --> 00:59:21,658
TO OUR SECOND
STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.
1297
00:59:21,658 --> 00:59:23,059
I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT OWEN
1298
00:59:23,059 --> 00:59:25,662
WASN'T DIAGNOSED
WITH A CONCUSSION.
1299
00:59:25,662 --> 00:59:28,399
HE MAY OR MAY NOT
HAVE TAKEN BLOWS TO THE HEAD.
1300
00:59:28,399 --> 00:59:30,800
( whistle blows )
1301
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,302
WE'RE NOT PLAYING
HARD ENOUGH YET.
1302
00:59:32,302 --> 00:59:34,070
WE ARE NOT PLAYING HARD ENOUGH.
1303
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:36,605
Dr. Cantu: THE REALITY IS THAT
ANYBODY THAT'S PLAYED FOOTBALL
1304
00:59:36,605 --> 00:59:42,145
HAS HAD CONCUSSIONS, WHETHER
THEY'VE RECOGNIZED IT OR NOT.
1305
00:59:42,145 --> 00:59:46,416
Morgan Thomas: BOTH OF US
DEFINITELY GOT OUR BELL RUNG.
1306
00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:49,551
YOU GET UP AND EVERYTHING'S
LIKE A DIFFERENT COLOR AT FIRST,
1307
00:59:49,551 --> 00:59:51,586
AND THEN IT TAKES YOU
A COUPLE MINUTES
1308
00:59:51,586 --> 00:59:53,855
TO KIND OF GET BACK IN FOCUS.
1309
00:59:53,855 --> 00:59:55,757
BUT I DON'T KNOW
IF THAT'S A CONCUSSION.
1310
00:59:55,757 --> 00:59:58,427
I'VE NEVER HAD A CONCUSSION
WHERE I WAS PULLED OUT
OF FOOTBALL.
1311
00:59:58,427 --> 01:00:02,297
( siren wails )
1312
01:00:02,297 --> 01:00:05,367
I MEAN, OWEN AND I
WERE SIMILAR IN THIS ASPECT:
1313
01:00:05,367 --> 01:00:08,102
IF WE DID HAVE
A HEAD RINGER,
1314
01:00:08,102 --> 01:00:09,971
WE WOULD NOT GO
REPORT THAT TO THE TRAINER.
1315
01:00:09,971 --> 01:00:11,706
YOU KNOW, WE'D GET UP
AND SHAKE IT OFF,
1316
01:00:11,706 --> 01:00:13,375
AND JUST GET BACK OUT THERE
AND PLAY.
1317
01:00:13,375 --> 01:00:17,111
Jeffrey Geisel: LAST YEAR
AT PARKLAND SCHOOL DISTRICT,
1318
01:00:17,111 --> 01:00:20,881
ACROSS ALL SPORTS,
WE HAD 1,600 KIDS.
1319
01:00:20,881 --> 01:00:23,783
WE HAD 14 RECORDED INCIDENTS
OF CONCUSSION.
1320
01:00:23,783 --> 01:00:29,656
Steve: 1,600 KIDS,
14 DIAGNOSED CONCUSSIONS
DURING THE ENTIRE SCHOOL YEAR.
1321
01:00:29,656 --> 01:00:34,395
WELL, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY
UNDER-DIAGNOSED CONDITION.
1322
01:00:34,395 --> 01:00:38,598
Chris: IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE
OUT OF EVERY HUNDRED KIDS
1323
01:00:38,598 --> 01:00:40,599
THAT ARE GETTING DIAGNOSED
WITH CONCUSSION,
1324
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:41,868
YOU'RE MISSING THEM
1325
01:00:41,868 --> 01:00:44,137
AND YOUR KIDS
ARE AT TERRIBLE RISK.
1326
01:00:44,137 --> 01:00:47,606
WE DO THIS RIGHT AND WE START
EDUCATING THE ATHLETES,
1327
01:00:47,606 --> 01:00:49,608
IT'S GOING TO SKY-ROCKET.
1328
01:00:53,145 --> 01:00:55,147
Dr. McKee:
THIS IS OWEN THOMAS' BRAIN.
1329
01:00:55,147 --> 01:00:57,082
THIS IS A PART
OF THE FRONTAL LOBE.
1330
01:00:57,082 --> 01:01:01,320
THERE'S THESE VERY DARK AREAS
OF DISCOLORATION IN HIS BRAIN,
1331
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,289
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE SPOTS
UNDER THE MICROSCOPE,
1332
01:01:04,289 --> 01:01:07,026
THERE'S JUST TREMENDOUS RINGING
AROUND THOSE AREAS
1333
01:01:07,026 --> 01:01:10,496
OF NERVE CELLS
CONTAINING THIS TAO PROTEIN.
1334
01:01:10,496 --> 01:01:12,764
THIS IS VERY DRAMATIC DISEASE,
1335
01:01:12,764 --> 01:01:14,899
AND WHAT WE KNOW
FROM OTHER BRAINS
1336
01:01:14,899 --> 01:01:18,636
IS THAT IF HE HAD LIVED LONGER,
THE DISEASE GRADUALLY WOULD HAVE
1337
01:01:18,636 --> 01:01:20,938
SPREAD OUT INTO
THE NEIGHBORING CORTEX.
1338
01:01:20,938 --> 01:01:22,440
ONCE THE FIRE HAS STARTED,
1339
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,944
IT JUST GOES ON ITS OWN
WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL INSULT.
1340
01:01:26,944 --> 01:01:30,415
SO WHEN THE RESULTS
CAME THROUGH,
1341
01:01:30,415 --> 01:01:32,216
I CAN'T SAY IT WAS A RELIEF,
1342
01:01:32,216 --> 01:01:36,820
BUT IT WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOSH,
THERE IS THE REASON,
1343
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:40,090
RIGHT THERE,
THAT OWEN WOULD COMMIT SUICIDE.
1344
01:01:40,090 --> 01:01:43,994
THE FACT THAT THEY FOUND IT IN
THE FRONTAL LOBE OF HIS BRAIN
1345
01:01:43,994 --> 01:01:46,229
THAT CONTROLS IMPULSE-CONTROL,
1346
01:01:46,229 --> 01:01:50,200
I THINK, IT WAS A VERY
SIGNIFICANT FACTOR.
1347
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,670
I DON'T THINK THAT WE KNOW
WHETHER THE CHANGES
1348
01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:58,341
THAT WERE IN HIS BRAIN,
WHICH WERE QUITE, UM...
1349
01:01:58,341 --> 01:02:01,677
THEY WERE DEFINITELY ABNORMAL,
NO QUESTION,
1350
01:02:01,677 --> 01:02:04,080
BUT WHETHER THEY EXPLAIN
1351
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,949
THE ULTIMATE BEHAVIOR
THAT HAPPENED,
1352
01:02:06,949 --> 01:02:08,717
IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION.
1353
01:02:08,717 --> 01:02:11,287
THE OWEN THOMAS FINDING
WAS NOT SIGNIFICANT...
1354
01:02:11,287 --> 01:02:14,090
AS IT RELATED
TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH.
1355
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:16,559
HE COULD HAVE DIED
IN A CAR ACCIDENT
1356
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,094
AND THE SIGNIFICANCE
OF THE FINDING
1357
01:02:19,094 --> 01:02:21,996
WOULD HAVE BEEN
EXACTLY THE SAME.
1358
01:02:21,996 --> 01:02:25,733
OKAY? IT WAS IMPORTANT
TO RECOGNIZE,
1359
01:02:25,733 --> 01:02:29,137
HOLY COW,
CTE CAN ACTUALLY BEGIN
1360
01:02:29,137 --> 01:02:33,541
BEFORE SOMEBODY REACHES
THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.
1361
01:02:33,541 --> 01:02:35,510
AND THAT'S
THE MORE IMPORTANT POINT HERE,
1362
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:38,246
IS THAT 21-YEAR-OLDS SHOULDN'T
HAVE THIS FROM PLAYING A GAME.
1363
01:02:47,121 --> 01:02:49,857
ALL RIGHT, MOM,LOVE YOU, BYE.
1364
01:02:49,857 --> 01:02:52,059
Phone: END OF MESSAGE.
1365
01:02:52,059 --> 01:02:53,994
( beeps )
1366
01:02:53,994 --> 01:02:59,665
THAT MESSAGE IS FROM THE DAY
BEFORE HE, UM, KILLED HIMSELF.
1367
01:02:59,665 --> 01:03:02,735
I USED TO LISTEN TO IT
LIKE EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME.
1368
01:03:02,735 --> 01:03:04,137
AND I DON'T LISTEN TO IT
EVERY DAY,
1369
01:03:04,137 --> 01:03:05,872
BUT IT'S--IT'S SORT OF...
1370
01:03:05,872 --> 01:03:07,874
IT'S JUST LIKE CARRYING HIM
AROUND WITH ME.
1371
01:03:07,874 --> 01:03:10,544
IT'S NICE TO HEAR THAT VOICE.
1372
01:03:10,544 --> 01:03:13,613
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU
JUST HANG ON TO LITTLE THINGS.
1373
01:03:13,613 --> 01:03:17,649
AND YOU KNOW,
HANG ON, HANG ON.
1374
01:03:20,186 --> 01:03:22,854
♪
1375
01:03:24,290 --> 01:03:28,494
MY FATHER PLAYED AT MILLERSVILLE
IN THE '30s.
1376
01:03:28,494 --> 01:03:30,028
I PLAYED AT VIRGINIA,
1377
01:03:30,028 --> 01:03:32,565
UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA
IN THE '60s.
1378
01:03:32,565 --> 01:03:36,168
SO IT WAS KIND OF
OUR FAMILY GAME.
1379
01:03:36,168 --> 01:03:38,904
AND OVER HERE
IS OWEN'S GRAVE.
1380
01:03:43,175 --> 01:03:47,312
I DON'T COME OFTEN, ALTHOUGH
I WORK JUST A STEP AWAY.
1381
01:03:47,312 --> 01:03:52,316
I DON'T COME OFTEN BECAUSE
IT'S STILL VERY DIFFICULT.
1382
01:03:59,456 --> 01:04:04,061
THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR THAT DID
THE WHOLE SERVICE AND I...
1383
01:04:04,061 --> 01:04:05,795
I COULD JUST BARELY MAKE IT
THROUGH THE SERVICE.
1384
01:04:05,795 --> 01:04:07,864
SO I JUST SAT IN THE FAMILY PEW.
1385
01:04:07,864 --> 01:04:11,868
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL SERVICE.
1386
01:04:11,868 --> 01:04:15,071
ALL OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM
WENT UP TO THE BALCONY,
1387
01:04:15,071 --> 01:04:18,074
AND THEY LINED
THE BALCONY STANDING,
1388
01:04:18,074 --> 01:04:23,947
AND IT WAS A SENSE
OF CAMARADERIE,
1389
01:04:23,947 --> 01:04:28,817
A TEAMMATE, I GUESS,
STANDING FOR THEIR CAPTAIN.
1390
01:04:28,817 --> 01:04:32,322
IT WAS VERY, VERY MOVING
TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT.
1391
01:04:34,289 --> 01:04:37,092
( bell ringing )
1392
01:04:50,071 --> 01:04:52,073
ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST THING
IS I'M GONNA HAVE YOU
1393
01:04:52,073 --> 01:04:53,774
TAKE EVERYTHING METAL
THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR BODY--
1394
01:04:53,774 --> 01:04:56,944
YOUR BELT, ANYTHING YOU HAVE ON
YOUR WATCH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
1395
01:04:56,944 --> 01:04:58,246
HAVE YOU HAD AN MRI BEFORE?
1396
01:04:58,246 --> 01:05:01,182
OH, MANY.
OKAY, SO YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
1397
01:05:01,182 --> 01:05:04,919
I'M ONE OF OUR GUINEA PIGS
FOR ALL OF OUR PILOT STUDIES.
1398
01:05:04,919 --> 01:05:07,488
AND SO I'LL GET AN MRI,
A DTI...
1399
01:05:07,488 --> 01:05:08,788
EXCELLENT.
1400
01:05:08,788 --> 01:05:10,790
YOU KNOW,
ME ALONG WITH SOME NFL GUYS
1401
01:05:10,790 --> 01:05:12,426
AND SOME BOXERS AND WHATEVER,
WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT
1402
01:05:12,426 --> 01:05:14,595
WHAT CTE LOOKS LIKE
IN A LIVING PERSON.
1403
01:05:14,595 --> 01:05:16,530
ALL RIGHT, GOING IN.
1404
01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:19,299
Dr. Stern: YOU CAN ONLY DIAGNOSE
THESE TYPES OF DISEASES
1405
01:05:19,299 --> 01:05:22,302
AFTER SOMEONE DIES
BY LOOKING AT THE BRAIN TISSUE,
1406
01:05:22,302 --> 01:05:25,740
BUT THE GOAL IS TO BE ABLE
TO DIAGNOSE THE DISEASE
1407
01:05:25,740 --> 01:05:27,307
WHILE SOMEONE'S ALIVE,
1408
01:05:27,307 --> 01:05:30,076
BECAUSE ONLY THEN
CAN WE DO THINGS LIKE
1409
01:05:30,076 --> 01:05:31,944
FIGURE OUT
THE TRUE RISK FACTORS,
1410
01:05:31,944 --> 01:05:34,481
CREATE TREATMENT PROTOCOLS,
1411
01:05:34,481 --> 01:05:36,849
CONDUCT CLINICAL TRIALS
OF NEW DRUGS.
1412
01:05:36,849 --> 01:05:42,921
Dr. Cantu: UNFORTUNATELY,
BECAUSE CTE IS SO HORRIFIC,
1413
01:05:42,921 --> 01:05:45,424
AND RIGHT NOW,
THERE'S NO CURE FOR IT,
1414
01:05:45,424 --> 01:05:50,029
THE MEDIA HYPE
ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS HERE
1415
01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:51,430
AND THE CONCERN IS HERE.
1416
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:53,132
TRAGICALLY,
THE SCIENCE ABOUT IT
1417
01:05:53,132 --> 01:05:55,900
IS WAY DOWN
LOWER ON A TRAJECTORY.
1418
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:57,369
THERE'S A HUGE GAP.
1419
01:05:57,369 --> 01:05:59,405
TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURIES
AND CONCUSSIONS
1420
01:05:59,405 --> 01:06:02,741
ARE A FAR MORE SERIOUS ISSUE
THAN ANY OF US REALIZED...
1421
01:06:02,741 --> 01:06:04,008
I WAS INVITED TO SPEAK AT
1422
01:06:04,008 --> 01:06:05,644
A HIGH SCHOOL
TO PARENTS AND COACHES
1423
01:06:05,644 --> 01:06:08,079
TO RAISE CONCUSSION AWARENESS.
1424
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:10,748
IT WAS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME
IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS
1425
01:06:10,748 --> 01:06:13,618
THAT I HAD SOMEBODY ACTUALLY
CONFRONT ME IN PUBLIC.
1426
01:06:13,618 --> 01:06:15,852
Man: YOU SURE SCARED
A LOT OF PEOPLE TONIGHT, OKAY?
1427
01:06:15,852 --> 01:06:18,723
IT WASN'T A PARENT, IT WAS
THE HEAD ATHLETIC TRAINER.
1428
01:06:18,723 --> 01:06:22,460
Man: YOU CAME HERE AND YOU
TALKED ABOUT ALL THESE PEOPLE
WHOSE BRAINS ARE DECAYING.
1429
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:26,063
AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T SHOW IS,
THERE'S A HECK OF A LOT
OF PEOPLE
1430
01:06:26,063 --> 01:06:29,299
THAT PLAYED BALL
THAT DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS. OKAY?
1431
01:06:29,299 --> 01:06:31,201
THAT DON'T HAVE
THIS POST-CONCUSSION SYNDROME.
1432
01:06:31,201 --> 01:06:34,538
YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT
THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE...
1433
01:06:34,538 --> 01:06:36,640
NO, THAT'S RIGHT, I DIDN'T TALK
ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE
1434
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,375
WHO SMOKE
AND DON'T GET LUNG CANCER.
1435
01:06:38,375 --> 01:06:39,942
I MEAN,
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
1436
01:06:39,942 --> 01:06:41,578
THAT'S A TERRIBLE,
TERRIBLE ARGUMENT
1437
01:06:41,578 --> 01:06:43,680
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PEOPLE'S
HEALTH AND THEIR BRAIN
1438
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,082
AND THE RISKS THAT WE
SHOULD BE EXPOSING KIDS TO.
1439
01:06:46,082 --> 01:06:47,617
BUT THEN IT WENT FURTHER
AND HE SAID,
1440
01:06:47,617 --> 01:06:49,218
"WELL, YOU TALK ABOUT
ALL THESE SYMPTOMS.
1441
01:06:49,218 --> 01:06:51,755
"MY 10-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER
PLAYS SOCCER
1442
01:06:51,755 --> 01:06:54,490
"AND SHE COMES OFF THE FIELD
AND COMPLAINS OF DIZZINESS
1443
01:06:54,490 --> 01:06:56,692
"AND HEADACHES
AFTER HEADING THE BALL.
1444
01:06:56,692 --> 01:06:58,361
"BUT THAT'S NOT A CONCUSSION.
1445
01:06:58,361 --> 01:07:00,429
THAT'S JUST PART
OF PLAYING THE GAME."
1446
01:07:00,429 --> 01:07:02,198
IF YOUR CHILD
HAS CONCUSSION SYMPTOMS
1447
01:07:02,198 --> 01:07:03,532
FROM HEADING A SOCCER BALL,
THAT'S A CONCUSSION.
1448
01:07:03,532 --> 01:07:05,166
I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION.
1449
01:07:05,166 --> 01:07:08,903
I MEAN, ARE YOU SERIOUS?!
1450
01:07:08,903 --> 01:07:10,438
I WOULDN'T PUSH TOO FAR.
1451
01:07:10,438 --> 01:07:12,340
I'M WORRIED ABOUT
YOUR JOB RIGHT NOW.
1452
01:07:12,340 --> 01:07:15,210
IT WASN'T JUST THE HEAD ATHLETIC
TRAINER THAT HAD THIS PROBLEM.
1453
01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:17,779
I WAS INFORMED THAT
THE FOOTBALL COACH
1454
01:07:17,779 --> 01:07:20,448
HAD SCHEDULED A MANDATORY
WEIGHT-LIFTING SESSION
1455
01:07:20,448 --> 01:07:23,984
TO MAKES SURE HIS PLAYERS
COULDN'T GO TO THE SYMPOSIUM.
1456
01:07:23,984 --> 01:07:26,120
AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?
1457
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,155
Man: I DON'T KNOW.
1458
01:07:28,155 --> 01:07:29,390
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO BOSTON.
1459
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:33,127
YOU COULD HEAR
A PIN DROP IN THAT ROOM.
1460
01:07:33,127 --> 01:07:35,262
Alan Schwarz:
WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT
1461
01:07:35,262 --> 01:07:39,166
HAPPENS PRIVATELY ALL OVER
THE COUNTRY ALL THE TIME.
1462
01:07:39,166 --> 01:07:41,168
A LOT OF PEOPLE
DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE
1463
01:07:41,168 --> 01:07:43,537
THIS IS AS SERIOUS AS IT IS,
1464
01:07:43,537 --> 01:07:48,107
EVEN PEOPLE WHOSE JOBS IT IS
TO SAFEGUARD CHILDREN'S HEALTH.
1465
01:07:48,107 --> 01:07:50,042
THEY DON'T WANNA
BELIEVE IT EITHER.
1466
01:07:50,042 --> 01:07:53,312
Chris: A GROUP OF PARENTS
FOLLOWED ME OUT
1467
01:07:53,312 --> 01:07:55,982
AND SOME OF THEM ASKED,
"MY CHILD PLAYS FOOTBALL HERE,
1468
01:07:55,982 --> 01:07:59,285
HE HAD A CONCUSSION LAST YEAR.
WOULD YOU LET HIM GO BACK?"
1469
01:07:59,285 --> 01:08:01,287
HOPEFULLY, IF YOU ONLY PLAY
THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL,
1470
01:08:01,287 --> 01:08:04,257
YOUR RISK IS LESS,
BUT IT'S THERE.
1471
01:08:04,257 --> 01:08:06,057
Alan Schwarz:
THERE ARE PEOPLE
1472
01:08:06,057 --> 01:08:08,327
WHO HAVE SAID THAT
1473
01:08:08,327 --> 01:08:11,330
BECAUSE 14
OUT OF 15 NFL PLAYERS
1474
01:08:11,330 --> 01:08:15,868
WHO HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR CTE
HAVE HAD CTE, MY GOD,
1475
01:08:15,868 --> 01:08:19,070
THAT MUST MEAN THAT ALMOST
EVERY RETIRED FOOTBALL PLAYER
1476
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:21,239
HAS CTE OR WILL GET IT!
1477
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:24,042
WELL, NO,
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
1478
01:08:24,042 --> 01:08:26,178
IT'S A VERY SELECTIVE SAMPLE.
1479
01:08:29,281 --> 01:08:32,016
AS PART OF A BRAIN BANK,
WE STORE HALF OF THE BRAIN
1480
01:08:32,016 --> 01:08:34,886
AT MINUS 80 IN EACH FREEZER,
1481
01:08:34,886 --> 01:08:36,822
AND WE HAVE 7 FREEZERS.
1482
01:08:36,822 --> 01:08:40,792
Dr. Cantu: WE'VE GOTTEN NOW
OVER 70 BRAINS IN THE BRAIN BANK
1483
01:08:40,792 --> 01:08:42,460
AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY
1484
01:08:42,460 --> 01:08:44,962
HAVE HAD CHRONIC
TRAUMATIC ENCEPHALOPATHY.
1485
01:08:44,962 --> 01:08:47,631
WE NEED 30 BRAINS OF PEOPLE
1486
01:08:47,631 --> 01:08:50,734
THAT PLAYED THE SAME SPORT
THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE SYMPTOMS.
1487
01:08:50,734 --> 01:08:53,437
THEIR BRAIN WOULD BE
VERY VALUABLE TO STUDY.
1488
01:08:53,437 --> 01:08:55,606
AND UNTIL WE DO,
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE
1489
01:08:55,606 --> 01:09:00,210
ANY GOOD IDEA OF THE INCIDENCE
OR PREVALENCE OF THIS CTE.
1490
01:09:00,210 --> 01:09:04,347
WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT
14 OF THE FIRST 15 NFL PLAYERS
1491
01:09:04,347 --> 01:09:06,516
THAT WE STUDIED HAD CTE.
1492
01:09:06,516 --> 01:09:08,618
IN SOME PEOPLE,
IT WASN'T SO FAR PROGRESSED
1493
01:09:08,618 --> 01:09:12,822
THAT THEY HAD MEMORY PROBLEMS
OR IMPULSE CONTROL,
1494
01:09:12,822 --> 01:09:14,189
BUT HAD THEY LIVED LONGER,
1495
01:09:14,189 --> 01:09:15,991
THEY ALMOST CERTAINLY
WOULD HAVE.
1496
01:09:15,991 --> 01:09:17,393
THAT'S OVERSTATING THE DATA,
1497
01:09:17,393 --> 01:09:20,062
AND IT'S LEADING
TO A CONCLUSION
1498
01:09:20,062 --> 01:09:23,198
FOR WHICH WE DON'T HAVE
SCIENTIFIC SUPPORT RIGHT NOW.
1499
01:09:23,198 --> 01:09:25,567
TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THIS ATHLETE
EXHIBITED CTE,
1500
01:09:25,567 --> 01:09:30,239
THAT THAT DETERMINES
THAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE DEMENTIA
1501
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,841
AND HAVE DEPRESSION
AND COMMIT SUICIDE,
1502
01:09:32,841 --> 01:09:35,177
IT'S JUST NOT THERE.
1503
01:09:35,177 --> 01:09:36,578
YOU HAVE TO WALK
A VERY FINE LINE HERE
1504
01:09:36,578 --> 01:09:38,413
BECAUSE PEOPLE
NEED TO APPRECIATE THE FACT
1505
01:09:38,413 --> 01:09:40,682
THAT CTE
COULD MAKE YOU GO CRAZY
1506
01:09:40,682 --> 01:09:42,551
AND COULD MAKE YOU
DO TERRIBLE THINGS.
1507
01:09:42,551 --> 01:09:45,319
THE NFL CALLED US WHEN FAMILIES
ARE LOOKING FOR US TO HELP...
1508
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:49,056
BUT THEN AGAIN WHEN YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH PEOPLE
WHO MIGHT HAVE IT,
1509
01:09:49,056 --> 01:09:54,128
YOU HAVE TO CLEAR TO THEM
THAT PEOPLE WITH CTE
CAN ALSO LIVE NORMAL LIVES
1510
01:09:54,128 --> 01:09:56,330
AND BE FINE,
THEY JUST MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
1511
01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:59,934
ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE
IS TO ASK YOU TO GIVE ME
YOUR BRAIN SOMEDAY.
1512
01:09:59,934 --> 01:10:03,738
ALZHEIMER'S STRIKES YOU
AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE.
1513
01:10:03,738 --> 01:10:05,873
WHEN YOU'RE 78 IS THE AVERAGE
ONSET OF ALZHEIMER'S,
1514
01:10:05,873 --> 01:10:07,541
AND CTE IS 43.
1515
01:10:07,541 --> 01:10:09,376
SO IT'S PRETTY DESTRUCTIVE.
1516
01:10:09,376 --> 01:10:11,244
WE HAD TWO A DAYS,
BOTH MORNING AND AFTERNOON,
1517
01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:13,213
BEATING THE LIVING CRAP
OUT OF EACH OTHER.
1518
01:10:13,213 --> 01:10:17,150
THERE'S MANY TIMES IN PRACTICE
I CAME LOOKING THROUGH
THE EAR HOLE OF MY HELMET,
1519
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:18,718
TRYING TO MAKE THE TEAM
EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW?
1520
01:10:18,718 --> 01:10:21,688
BUT WE WERE AT THIS THING
THAT WE WENT TO
1521
01:10:21,688 --> 01:10:24,290
A COUPLE WEEKS AGO,
SOMEBODY ASKED...
1522
01:10:24,290 --> 01:10:26,726
( inaudible )
1523
01:10:26,726 --> 01:10:29,628
YEAH, WHAT THE HECK
WAS I GOING TO JUST TELL YOU?
1524
01:10:29,628 --> 01:10:31,096
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK.
1525
01:10:31,096 --> 01:10:32,698
Man: STAGE THREE RIGHT THERE.
1526
01:10:32,698 --> 01:10:36,502
( all laugh )
1527
01:10:36,502 --> 01:10:38,704
WHAT THE HELL
WAS I JUST TALKING ABOUT?
1528
01:10:38,704 --> 01:10:40,706
I DID FORGET.
1529
01:10:40,706 --> 01:10:42,775
I PLAYED FOR A LOT
OF REALLY DUMB COACHES.
1530
01:10:42,775 --> 01:10:44,810
THERE'S A LOT MORE
DUMB COACHES OUT THERE
1531
01:10:44,810 --> 01:10:47,445
THAN THERE ARE REALLY SMART,
INNOVATIVE COACHES.
1532
01:10:47,445 --> 01:10:50,181
WHEN I WAS A SENIOR
IN HIGH SCHOOL,
1533
01:10:50,181 --> 01:10:51,717
THEY DIDN'T GIVE US WATER.
1534
01:10:51,717 --> 01:10:54,452
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE A WUSS
IF YOU ASKED FOR WATER.
1535
01:10:54,452 --> 01:10:56,454
AND THEN TWO KIDS
DIED IN TEXAS,
1536
01:10:56,454 --> 01:10:58,523
AND THEN WE GOT WATER
EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
1537
01:10:58,523 --> 01:11:00,425
RIGHT,
IF FIVE KIDS THIS YEAR
1538
01:11:00,425 --> 01:11:04,127
DIED IN A WEEK
FROM HEAD INJURIES,
1539
01:11:04,127 --> 01:11:06,731
FOOTBALL WOULD CHANGE
IMMEDIATELY.
1540
01:11:06,731 --> 01:11:09,199
BUT YOU COULD CREATE 500,000
CASES OF CTE THIS YEAR,
1541
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:10,868
AND EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH IT.
1542
01:11:10,868 --> 01:11:14,237
ALL I NEED FOR Y'ALL TO DO
IS TO DIG DOWN INSIDE RIGHT NOW
1543
01:11:14,237 --> 01:11:16,807
AND GIVE ME
ALL YOU HAVE SAVED UP.
1544
01:11:16,807 --> 01:11:18,375
YOU HEAR ME?
1545
01:11:18,375 --> 01:11:20,611
WE GOT 16 MINUTES.
IT AIN'T OVER.
1546
01:11:20,611 --> 01:11:25,816
♪
1547
01:11:25,816 --> 01:11:28,518
YEAH, THERE YOU GO!
HIT IT! HIT IT, BABY!
1548
01:11:28,518 --> 01:11:32,488
RUN, RUN! YEAH, YEAH! RUN, RUN!
1549
01:11:32,488 --> 01:11:35,124
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
RUN, RUN!
1550
01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,526
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
TAKE THAT!
1551
01:11:37,526 --> 01:11:41,031
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
1552
01:11:41,031 --> 01:11:43,499
LET'S GO, DAVID! LET'S GO!
1553
01:11:43,499 --> 01:11:45,368
IF YOU GUYS
CONTINUE TO PLAY ON THIS LEVEL,
1554
01:11:45,368 --> 01:11:46,769
AND MOVE ON UP
TO THE NEXT LEVEL,
1555
01:11:46,769 --> 01:11:48,404
WHEN YOU GET READY
TO GO TO HIGH SCHOOL,
1556
01:11:48,404 --> 01:11:49,972
IT'S GONNA BE SOME SCOUTS
WATCHING Y'ALL,
1557
01:11:49,972 --> 01:11:51,373
GONNA WANT Y'ALL.
1558
01:11:51,373 --> 01:11:54,376
SO YOUR DREAMS
COULD BE LIVED OUT RIGHT HERE.
1559
01:11:54,376 --> 01:11:57,379
Bob Costas:
WATCH KIDS IN ANY SPORT.
1560
01:11:57,379 --> 01:12:01,282
THEY ARE MIMICKING
WHAT THEY SEE.
1561
01:12:01,282 --> 01:12:06,988
SOME OF THE VIOLENCE
IN THE NFL...
1562
01:12:06,988 --> 01:12:11,593
THE CELEBRATION OF THOSE SHOTS
BY THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES,
1563
01:12:11,593 --> 01:12:15,664
BY THE MEDIA TO SOME EXTENT,
BY MANY FANS...
1564
01:12:15,664 --> 01:12:21,669
IS DANGEROUS ENOUGH
FOR ELITE ADULT ATHLETES.
1565
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:23,637
Alan Schwarz: WHATEVER HAPPENS
ON AN NFL FIELD
1566
01:12:23,637 --> 01:12:28,008
IS IMITATED BY HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS.
1567
01:12:28,008 --> 01:12:32,446
WHAT HAPPENS ON SUNDAY
IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON FRIDAY.
1568
01:12:32,446 --> 01:12:38,719
AND WHEN YOU SEE MICHAEL VICK
RECEIVE A CONCUSSION
1569
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:41,755
AND YOU SEE HIM JUST GO BACK
INTO THE GAME AND BE FINE,
1570
01:12:41,755 --> 01:12:47,527
YOU'RE GOING TO ASSUME THAT
IT'S PERFECTLY SAFE TO DO THIS.
1571
01:12:47,527 --> 01:12:50,697
Chris: IN 2011,
THE NFL CHANGED THE POLICY
1572
01:12:50,697 --> 01:12:53,633
SO THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
PEOPLE NOW IN THE BOOTH
1573
01:12:53,633 --> 01:12:57,335
AND ON THE SIDELINE WHOSE JOB'S
ONLY TO LOOK FOR A CONCUSSION.
1574
01:12:57,335 --> 01:12:58,738
AND THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE
1575
01:12:58,738 --> 01:13:00,907
THERE WERE SOME
VERY OBVIOUS CASES
1576
01:13:00,907 --> 01:13:03,176
OF PLAYERS BEING
CONCUSSED ON THE FIELD
1577
01:13:03,176 --> 01:13:06,112
AND YET THEY WEREN'T TREATED
OR ASSESSED PROPERLY.
1578
01:13:06,112 --> 01:13:08,780
Dr. Batjer: AND THE PROBLEM WAS
THE TRAINER AND THE PHYSICIAN
1579
01:13:08,780 --> 01:13:11,216
WERE OCCUPIED WITH
ANOTHER INJURED PLAYER
1580
01:13:11,216 --> 01:13:13,385
AND NOT FACING THE FIELD.
1581
01:13:13,385 --> 01:13:15,821
SO 35 MILLION AMERICANS SAW IT,
1582
01:13:15,821 --> 01:13:19,057
BUT NOBODY WHO COULD ACTION
THE PROBLEM SAW IT.
1583
01:13:19,057 --> 01:13:22,928
Chris: AND THE STORY AFTERWARDS
WAS THAT NOBODY SAW THEM
1584
01:13:22,928 --> 01:13:24,930
GET KNOCKED OUT FOR 30 SECONDS
ON THE FIELD.
1585
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:27,132
NO ONE SAW THEM
WOBBLE OFF THE FIELD
1586
01:13:27,132 --> 01:13:29,034
AFTER THEY GOT
HIT IN THE HEAD.
1587
01:13:29,034 --> 01:13:31,368
THE NFL'S ACKNOWLEDGING
THAT EVEN WITH A TEAM
1588
01:13:31,368 --> 01:13:33,037
OF MEDICAL PEOPLE
ON THE SIDELINE,
1589
01:13:33,037 --> 01:13:34,905
THEY CAN'T SEE THE OBVIOUS
CONCUSSIONS ON THE FIELD.
1590
01:13:34,905 --> 01:13:38,943
SO HOW ARE WE LETTING KIDS PLAY
WITH NONE OF THE RESOURCES
1591
01:13:38,943 --> 01:13:41,712
THAT WE FEEL OBLIGATED
TO PROVIDE GROWN MEN?
1592
01:13:41,712 --> 01:13:43,446
Dr. Cantu:
IT WOULD BE IDEAL
1593
01:13:43,446 --> 01:13:45,482
THAT THERE'S
A CERTIFIED ATHLETIC TRAINER
1594
01:13:45,482 --> 01:13:47,017
FOR EVERY HIGH SCHOOL,
1595
01:13:47,017 --> 01:13:50,854
BUT IT'S NOT A FINANCIAL REALITY
RIGHT NOW.
1596
01:13:50,854 --> 01:13:54,191
AND IT IS TRUE
THAT INNER-CITY SCHOOLS
1597
01:13:54,191 --> 01:13:59,729
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT LACK
A CERTIFIED ATHLETIC TRAINER.
1598
01:13:59,729 --> 01:14:03,465
BUT I THINK THAT CERTAIN SPORTS
AT HIGHEST RISK,
1599
01:14:03,465 --> 01:14:06,002
IT CAN BE ARGUED
THAT IF YOU CAN'T PUT
1600
01:14:06,002 --> 01:14:09,638
PROPER MINIMUM MEDICAL
FACILITIES ON THE SIDELINE,
1601
01:14:09,638 --> 01:14:13,475
THAT YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN'T PLAY THE SPORT.
1602
01:14:13,475 --> 01:14:16,612
LET'S GO, WILDCATS!
1603
01:14:16,612 --> 01:14:18,914
I LOVE THE PROGRAM. IT KEEPS
THE KIDS OFF THE STREET.
1604
01:14:18,914 --> 01:14:20,115
( crowd cheering )
1605
01:14:20,115 --> 01:14:22,217
( whistle blows )
1606
01:14:22,217 --> 01:14:25,854
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
THEY GET OUT OF SCHOOL 2:30,
THEY AT PRACTICE TILL 8:00.
1607
01:14:25,854 --> 01:14:28,523
YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING
BUT COME HOME AND DO HOMEWORK,
1608
01:14:28,523 --> 01:14:30,424
AND THAT'S HOW I LIKE IT.
1609
01:14:30,424 --> 01:14:34,997
FOOTBALL IS AN ALTERNATIVE
TO THE STREETS.
1610
01:14:34,997 --> 01:14:37,465
IF OUR ORGANIZATION
DIDN'T GET 'EM,
1611
01:14:37,465 --> 01:14:40,668
THEN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE 'EM WILL.
1612
01:14:40,668 --> 01:14:44,205
Players: ONE, TWO, THREE!
1613
01:14:44,205 --> 01:14:46,908
Latanya Thomas: I BELIEVE
YOU JUST HAVE TO PROTECT THEM
1614
01:14:46,908 --> 01:14:51,578
AS MUCH AS YOU CAN
AND PRAY.
1615
01:14:51,578 --> 01:14:54,982
Dr. Cantu: ONE WAY
YOU CAN MAKE FOOTBALL SAFER
1616
01:14:54,982 --> 01:14:57,517
IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT
OF BRAIN TRAUMA
1617
01:14:57,517 --> 01:14:59,553
OCCURRING IN PRACTICE
1618
01:14:59,553 --> 01:15:03,890
BY LIMITING THE AMOUNT
OF FULL-CONTACT PRACTICE.
1619
01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:05,692
Chris:
THERE IS A FOOTBALL LEAGUE
1620
01:15:05,692 --> 01:15:10,163
THAT ONLY ALLOWS IN PRACTICE
ONE DAY OF HITTING PER WEEK.
1621
01:15:10,163 --> 01:15:12,799
IT'S THE NFL.
1622
01:15:12,799 --> 01:15:15,734
AND YET YOU GO DOWN
TO ANY REGULAR CITY IN AMERICA
1623
01:15:15,734 --> 01:15:18,470
AND HEAR MOTHERS TELL YOU
THEIR PLAYERS DO FOUR DAYS
1624
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:21,040
OF FULL-PADDED PRACTICES A WEEK,
AND A GAME.
1625
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,609
THERE'S NO WAY
THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING.
1626
01:15:23,609 --> 01:15:25,344
THERE'S A BALANCE THERE.
1627
01:15:25,344 --> 01:15:28,747
CAN YOU EVER MAKE
ANY PHYSICAL ACTIVITY
COMPLETELY SAFE?
1628
01:15:28,747 --> 01:15:33,219
OF COURSE NOT, BUT WHAT'S
THE LEVEL OF ACCEPTABLE RISK
1629
01:15:33,219 --> 01:15:36,454
AND WHAT'S THE LEVEL
OF REASONABLE REFORM?
1630
01:15:36,454 --> 01:15:38,556
( crowd cheering )
1631
01:15:38,556 --> 01:15:40,059
Dr. Cantu: COLLISION SPORTS
1632
01:15:40,059 --> 01:15:45,029
SHOULD NOT BE PLAYED
UNDER THE AGE OF 14.
1633
01:15:45,029 --> 01:15:47,665
NOW I'M NOT SAYING
DO AWAY WITH THE SPORT,
1634
01:15:47,665 --> 01:15:50,201
I'M SAYING CHANGE
THE WAY IT'S PLAYED.
1635
01:15:50,201 --> 01:15:54,438
IN PARTICULAR,
TAKE HITS TO THE HEAD OUT OF IT.
1636
01:15:54,438 --> 01:15:57,574
( crowd cheering )
1637
01:15:57,574 --> 01:16:00,111
I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE
THAT LITTLE KIDS
1638
01:16:00,111 --> 01:16:05,316
ARE BASHING HEADS
WITH FOOTBALL HELMETS ON.
1639
01:16:05,316 --> 01:16:08,151
THEIR BRAINS
ARE NOT MYLENATED,
1640
01:16:08,151 --> 01:16:10,888
THEIR HEADS
ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY BIG,
1641
01:16:10,888 --> 01:16:13,624
THEIR NECKS ARE OVERWHELMINGLY
WEAKER THAN THEY WILL BE LATER,
1642
01:16:13,624 --> 01:16:16,260
AND TRAUMA
THAT THEY SUSTAIN
1643
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:19,930
OFTEN SEEMS TO LAST LONGER
BEFORE IT CLEARS.
1644
01:16:19,930 --> 01:16:22,865
Alan Schwarz: I'M NOT TELLING
ANYBODY WHETHER THEY SHOULD LET
A KID PLAY FOOTBALL OR NOT.
1645
01:16:22,865 --> 01:16:24,101
I MAKE DECISIONS
WITH MY KID,
1646
01:16:24,101 --> 01:16:25,935
YOU MAKE DECISIONS
WITH YOUR KID.
1647
01:16:25,935 --> 01:16:29,071
AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN
THE LAW, KNOCK YOURSELF OUT.
1648
01:16:29,071 --> 01:16:32,608
Players: ONE, TWO THREE!
1649
01:16:32,608 --> 01:16:34,610
Keith Primeau: MY DAUGHTER
PLAYS FIELD LACROSSE,
1650
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:38,080
AND MY BOYS
PLAY ORGANIZED HOCKEY.
1651
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,218
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND
THE GAME A LOT.
1652
01:16:42,218 --> 01:16:43,920
WE ARE A HOCKEY FAMILY.
1653
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,188
YOUR MULLIGAN WAS YESTERDAY.
WE'RE TAKING SOME TIME OFF.
1654
01:16:46,188 --> 01:16:49,325
WE FOUND OUR LEGS, AND NOW WE
GOTTA GET BACK THERE WORKING.
1655
01:16:49,325 --> 01:16:51,660
( whistle blows )
1656
01:16:54,930 --> 01:16:58,566
THREE WEEKS AGO,
I WAS SKATING OVER THERE
1657
01:16:58,566 --> 01:17:01,102
TO HIT THIS KID
AND HE STUCK HIS LEG OUT,
1658
01:17:01,102 --> 01:17:04,672
AND I TRIPPED OVER HIS LEG AND
WENT HEAD FIRST INTO THE BOARDS.
1659
01:17:04,672 --> 01:17:06,674
I GOT WHIPLASH AND CONCUSSION.
1660
01:17:06,674 --> 01:17:08,509
Peter Laviolette: YOU KNOW,
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME
1661
01:17:08,509 --> 01:17:09,910
THAT HE'S HAD A CONCUSSION.
1662
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:12,046
SO WE'RE REALLY TAKING IT SLOW.
1663
01:17:12,046 --> 01:17:13,714
YOU KNOW,
IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS.
1664
01:17:13,714 --> 01:17:15,417
PROBABLY THIRTY DAYS
INTO IT NOW.
1665
01:17:15,417 --> 01:17:17,251
HE WANTS TO GET BACK,
HE'S FEELING BETTER,
1666
01:17:17,251 --> 01:17:19,753
BUT YOU KNOW, PATIENCE
IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING
1667
01:17:19,753 --> 01:17:21,521
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING
WITH CONCUSSIONS,
1668
01:17:21,521 --> 01:17:23,791
WHETHER THEY'RE YOUR PLAYERS
IN THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE
1669
01:17:23,791 --> 01:17:25,326
OR IT'S YOUR OWN SON.
1670
01:17:25,326 --> 01:17:27,760
I'VE BEEN PLAYING HOCKEY
SINCE I'VE BEEN TWO.
1671
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,997
WHEN I WAS FIVE, I STARTED
PLAYING IN THE LEAGUE.
1672
01:17:30,997 --> 01:17:34,301
I LIKE THE CONTACT,
JUST SEEING A GUY GO ON THE ICE,
1673
01:17:34,301 --> 01:17:35,969
FALL ON THE ICE,
I JUST LOVE IT.
1674
01:17:35,969 --> 01:17:38,671
I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I DO IT TO MY BROTHER.
1675
01:17:41,641 --> 01:17:43,376
Chayse Primeau:
I WENT BACK DOWN TO GET THE PUCK
1676
01:17:43,376 --> 01:17:45,644
AND I GOT HIT FROM BEHIND.
1677
01:17:45,644 --> 01:17:47,280
AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING.
1678
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,715
PEOPLE SAID I WAS ON THE ICE
FOR LIKE FOUR OR FIVE MINUTES.
1679
01:17:49,715 --> 01:17:52,551
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER
20 SECONDS OF IT.
1680
01:17:52,551 --> 01:17:53,986
I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF IT.
1681
01:17:53,986 --> 01:17:55,520
I WAS ONE OF THE GUYS OUT THERE
GETTING YOU UP.
1682
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,122
I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
1683
01:17:57,122 --> 01:17:58,790
CHAYSE!
1684
01:18:00,292 --> 01:18:02,060
Steve: DO YOU THINK IT'S GOOD
TO KNOW MORE ABOUT CONCUSSIONS?
1685
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:03,962
OR WOULD YOU
JUST RATHER NOT KNOW?
1686
01:18:03,962 --> 01:18:05,430
NOT KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT 'EM.
1687
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:07,631
'CAUSE IF I GET ONE,
IT KINDA SCARES ME.
1688
01:18:07,631 --> 01:18:09,667
LIKE WHAT HAPPENS
IF I HAVE THIS?
1689
01:18:09,667 --> 01:18:12,404
BUT SINCE I DON'T KNOW,
I JUST...
1690
01:18:12,404 --> 01:18:14,339
I LIKE IT BETTER THAT WAY.
1691
01:18:14,339 --> 01:18:16,674
SO WHEN YOUR DAD TALKS TO YOU
ABOUT CONCUSSIONS,
1692
01:18:16,674 --> 01:18:18,743
YOU PREFER HE DOESN'T
REALLY TELL YOU TOO MUCH?
1693
01:18:18,743 --> 01:18:21,746
YEAH. ( laughs )
1694
01:18:21,746 --> 01:18:23,482
DOES HE KNOW THAT?
1695
01:18:23,482 --> 01:18:25,816
NO. ( laughs )
1696
01:18:29,887 --> 01:18:32,123
BEING A PEDIATRICIAN
FOR MANY YEARS,
1697
01:18:32,123 --> 01:18:35,192
I WANTED TO HELP
MY OLDEST SON NATHAN
1698
01:18:35,192 --> 01:18:37,194
PROTECT THAT BRAIN 'CAUSE THAT'S
HOW HE'S GONNA EARN HIS LIVING.
1699
01:18:37,194 --> 01:18:40,163
HE WASN'T GONNA BE GOING OFF
AND PLAYING HOCKEY FOR A LIVING.
1700
01:18:40,163 --> 01:18:43,833
AND SO ONE OF HIS EARLY COACHES
WAS KEITH PRIMEAU,
1701
01:18:43,833 --> 01:18:47,103
WHO HAD JUST RETIRED FROM
THE NHL BECAUSE OF CONCUSSIONS.
1702
01:18:47,103 --> 01:18:48,938
GO!
1703
01:18:48,938 --> 01:18:52,208
HAVING KEITH AS ONE
OF NATHAN'S EARLY COACHES
1704
01:18:52,208 --> 01:18:55,145
REALLY MADE A BIG IMPACT
ON OUR WHOLE FAMILY.
1705
01:18:55,145 --> 01:18:58,947
HE CHANGED OUR LIVES,
BUT ALSO CHANGED MY CAREER.
1706
01:18:58,947 --> 01:19:00,549
I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT MY PEN.
1707
01:19:00,549 --> 01:19:03,685
DOES THAT PEN LOOK FAIRLY CLEAR?
IT'S NOT DOUBLE OR BLURRY?
1708
01:19:03,685 --> 01:19:05,154
IT'S DOUBLING.
1709
01:19:05,154 --> 01:19:06,489
IT IS DOUBLE AND BLURRY?
1710
01:19:06,489 --> 01:19:07,689
CLOSE YOUR EYES.
1711
01:19:07,689 --> 01:19:09,324
THERE IS RESEARCH
THAT DOES SHOW
1712
01:19:09,324 --> 01:19:12,194
THAT CHILDREN RESPOND
DIFFERENTLY TO CONCUSSIONS.
1713
01:19:12,194 --> 01:19:13,862
THEY'RE NOT JUST
LITTLE ADULTS.
1714
01:19:13,862 --> 01:19:15,998
ALL RIGHT, IT MAKES YOU
FEEL WOBBLY?
YEAH.
1715
01:19:19,934 --> 01:19:23,871
Dr. Cantu: LET'S SEE, STILL
HAVING ISSUES WITH HEADACHES,
1716
01:19:23,871 --> 01:19:27,575
STILL HAVING ISSUES
WITH TROUBLE FALLING ASLEEP,
1717
01:19:27,575 --> 01:19:29,377
NOT BEING ABLE
TO CONCENTRATE...
1718
01:19:29,377 --> 01:19:30,978
Nate Gyory:
IT WASN'T A BIG HIT AT ALL.
1719
01:19:30,978 --> 01:19:32,647
I'VE BEEN HIT
MUCH HARDER BEFORE.
1720
01:19:32,647 --> 01:19:35,615
IT WAS JUST LIKE 3 CONSECUTIVE
FACEMASK-TO-FACEMASK HEAD BUTTS.
1721
01:19:35,615 --> 01:19:38,618
AND THAT WAS MY FIRST ROUND
OF THE PLAYOFFS
FOR THE HOCKEY SEASON.
1722
01:19:38,618 --> 01:19:41,022
I PLAYED THE REST OF THE GAME.
I DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING OF IT.
1723
01:19:41,022 --> 01:19:42,889
Lisa Gyory: IT WASN'T ONE
OF THESE HITS WHERE I SAID,
1724
01:19:42,889 --> 01:19:44,624
"OH, MY GOD, IS HE HURT?"
1725
01:19:44,624 --> 01:19:45,892
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE WAS HURT.
1726
01:19:45,892 --> 01:19:47,528
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE WAS HIT.
1727
01:19:47,528 --> 01:19:50,097
THEN I WENT TO BED AND I WOKE UP
WITH A REALLY BAD HEADACHE.
1728
01:19:50,097 --> 01:19:53,100
AND I TOOK TWO WEEKS OFF.
IT GOT BETTER AFTER TWO WEEKS.
1729
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:55,135
I GOT RIGHT BACK
INTO THE LACROSSE SEASON,
1730
01:19:55,135 --> 01:19:56,837
WHICH WAS STARTING
A MONTH LATER.
1731
01:19:56,837 --> 01:19:58,572
ABOUT HALFWAY
THROUGH THE SEASON,
1732
01:19:58,572 --> 01:20:00,140
I GOT ANOTHER CONCUSSION.
1733
01:20:00,140 --> 01:20:01,841
Dr. Cantu:
LEAN FORWARD A LITTLE BIT
1734
01:20:01,841 --> 01:20:05,378
TO CENTER YOUR WEIGHT
AND THEN CLOSE YOUR EYES.
1735
01:20:05,378 --> 01:20:09,815
IF SOMEBODY HAS NOT FULLY
RECOVERED FROM A CONCUSSION
1736
01:20:09,815 --> 01:20:13,352
AND THEN IS SUBJECTED
TO A SECOND CONCUSSION,
1737
01:20:13,352 --> 01:20:17,356
MORE PROBABLY THAN NOT,
IT'S GOING TO TAKE
1738
01:20:17,356 --> 01:20:20,493
A MUCH LONGER TIME
TO GET OVER THE SYMPTOMS
1739
01:20:20,493 --> 01:20:23,529
THAN IF THEY'D SUFFERED
THOSE TWO CONCUSSIONS
1740
01:20:23,529 --> 01:20:25,064
SAY A YEAR APART.
1741
01:20:25,064 --> 01:20:29,968
HE BECAME SYMPTOMATIC
WHEN SCHOOLWORK GOT PILED ON.
1742
01:20:29,968 --> 01:20:32,237
PUT YOUR TONGUE OUT STRAIGHT.
1743
01:20:32,237 --> 01:20:35,240
AND SO IT WAS ACTUALLY THAT
ADDITIONAL COGNITIVE LOAD
1744
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:40,677
OF SCHOOLWORK THAT BROUGHT BACK
POST-CONCUSSION SYMPTOMS.
1745
01:20:40,677 --> 01:20:44,415
THE ASPECT OF ALL OF THIS
FOR DOWN THE ROAD
1746
01:20:44,415 --> 01:20:47,951
IS WHETHER YOU GO BACK
TO CONTACT COLLISION SPORTS.
1747
01:20:47,951 --> 01:20:51,822
AND THIS IS BASED PARTLY
ON THE FACT THAT YOUR INJURY
1748
01:20:51,822 --> 01:20:54,124
DID NOT SEEM TO BE
A MONUMENTAL HIT,
1749
01:20:54,124 --> 01:20:58,630
AND YET THE SYMPTOMS HAVE LASTED
AN APPRECIABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
1750
01:20:58,630 --> 01:21:01,231
Nate Gyory: IT WAS REALLY
FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I HAVE
MY HOCKEY SEASON COMING UP,
1751
01:21:01,231 --> 01:21:03,634
AND IT LOOKS REALLY BAD FOR ME
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
I'LL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
1752
01:21:03,634 --> 01:21:05,202
I'M THE CAPTAIN
OF THE TEAM.
1753
01:21:05,202 --> 01:21:07,437
SO I STILL HAVE
TO BE THERE FOR EVERYONE.
1754
01:21:07,437 --> 01:21:09,273
THE TEAMMATES, I WOULD SAY,
WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE.
1755
01:21:09,273 --> 01:21:11,642
IT WAS THE PARENTS
WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND,
1756
01:21:11,642 --> 01:21:14,611
BECAUSE I COULDN'T COME
TO THE GAMES SOMETIMES
'CAUSE I NEEDED TO RECOVER.
1757
01:21:14,611 --> 01:21:16,212
SO THEY'D SAY, "OH, THAT KID
DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEAM.
1758
01:21:16,212 --> 01:21:19,215
"HE DOESN'T CARE
ABOUT HOW THEY'RE DOING.
1759
01:21:19,215 --> 01:21:21,684
HE'S JUST GOING HOME BECAUSE
HE'S TIRED OF LACROSSE SEASON."
1760
01:21:21,684 --> 01:21:23,519
BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE AT ALL.
1761
01:21:23,519 --> 01:21:24,921
I DIDN'T KNOW, ACTUALLY.
1762
01:21:24,921 --> 01:21:27,990
I DIDN'T HEAR
THE CRITICISM BY PARENTS.
1763
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:29,458
I DON'T LIKE TO GOSSIP, SO...
( laughs )
1764
01:21:29,458 --> 01:21:31,360
NO, HE DOESN'T.
1765
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,162
I DIDN'T EXPECT
GETTING EMOTIONAL,
1766
01:21:33,162 --> 01:21:35,897
AHH, LISTENING
TO THE WHOLE THING.
1767
01:21:35,897 --> 01:21:39,000
IF I COULD GO BACK IN TIME
AND CHANGE ONE THING,
1768
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,536
I WOULD HAVE TAKEN
TWO WEEKS OFF OF SCHOOL,
1769
01:21:40,536 --> 01:21:42,771
NOT STRESS MYSELF AT ALL,
JUST TAKING THE TIME OFF,
1770
01:21:42,771 --> 01:21:46,241
BECAUSE IN THE END,
IT WAS THE SCHOOLWORK
THAT SET ME BACK.
1771
01:21:47,909 --> 01:21:50,045
Dr. Master: IF THEIR BRAIN HAS
RECOVERED ENOUGH
1772
01:21:50,045 --> 01:21:53,914
THAT THEY CAN DO COGNITIVE WORK
AND HANDLE A FULL DAY OF SCHOOL,
1773
01:21:53,914 --> 01:21:55,684
THEN WE CAN PROGRESS THEM
1774
01:21:55,684 --> 01:21:57,084
THROUGH
A RETURN-TO-PLAY PROTOCOL,
1775
01:21:57,084 --> 01:21:59,220
AND IT GOES FAIRLY SMOOTHLY.
1776
01:22:01,355 --> 01:22:03,224
CHRIS: THE FOCUS
OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW,
1777
01:22:03,224 --> 01:22:05,459
AND THE FOCUS
OF A LOT OF THE LEGISLATION,
1778
01:22:05,459 --> 01:22:08,162
HAS BEEN
RETURN-TO-PLAY.
1779
01:22:08,162 --> 01:22:10,598
AND THAT'S THE STORY
THAT'S REALLY A LOT OF PLACES
1780
01:22:10,598 --> 01:22:12,266
BEING SOLD AS THE SOLUTION.
1781
01:22:12,266 --> 01:22:14,000
I MEAN, I HEAR IT
FROM PARENTS ALL THE TIME,
1782
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,768
EVEN IF THEY GET
A CONCUSSION,
1783
01:22:15,768 --> 01:22:17,238
AS LONG AS THEY
RETURN TO PLAY
1784
01:22:17,238 --> 01:22:20,608
AT THE RIGHT TIME,
THEY'LL BE FINE.
1785
01:22:20,608 --> 01:22:23,042
WHAT NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT,
AT ANY LEVEL,
1786
01:22:23,042 --> 01:22:26,346
IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE CLEARLY
NOT DIAGNOSING CONCUSSIONS
1787
01:22:26,346 --> 01:22:28,448
AND WE ARE NOT GETTING
ATHLETES OFF THE FIELD
1788
01:22:28,448 --> 01:22:29,983
WHEN THEY DO HAVE THEM.
1789
01:22:29,983 --> 01:22:34,120
ATHLETES DON'T REALIZE HOW IT'S
IN THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST
1790
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:39,359
TO PULL THEMSELVES OUT
OR TO REPORT THAT THERE
MIGHT BE SOMETHING WRONG.
1791
01:22:39,359 --> 01:22:41,261
Eric Laudano:
THE ATHLETIC TRAINERS HERE
1792
01:22:41,261 --> 01:22:43,061
ARE ON THE FIELD
FROM THE START
1793
01:22:43,061 --> 01:22:44,664
OR BEGINNING
OF THE PRACTICE OR GAME.
1794
01:22:44,664 --> 01:22:47,299
SO IF WE SEE AN INCIDENT
THAT IS EXTREMELY VIOLENT
1795
01:22:47,299 --> 01:22:49,501
OR IF THE ATHLETE
DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THEMSELVES,
1796
01:22:49,501 --> 01:22:51,870
WE'LL IMMEDIATELY BRING
THE ATHLETE OFF THE FIELD
1797
01:22:51,870 --> 01:22:54,006
AND EVALUATE THEM
ON THE SIDELINES
1798
01:22:54,006 --> 01:22:56,642
TO ENSURE THAT
THEY DON'T RETURN TO PLAY
1799
01:22:56,642 --> 01:22:58,876
IF IT'S SOMETHING
THAT CAN MAKE THEM WORSE.
1800
01:22:58,876 --> 01:23:03,080
( players yelling )
1801
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,750
Chris: WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE
TO SAY SCIENTIFICALLY
1802
01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:07,885
WHAT'S SAFE AND WHAT'S UNSAFE.
1803
01:23:07,885 --> 01:23:12,123
THE IDEA THAT
A 100-G BLOW TO YOUR HEAD
1804
01:23:12,123 --> 01:23:13,924
CAUSES A CONCUSSION,
AND THAT'S BAD FOR YOU,
1805
01:23:13,924 --> 01:23:18,262
BUT THAT 99-G BLOW THAT YOU SAY,
"OH, I'M FINE." THAT'S FINE?
1806
01:23:18,262 --> 01:23:20,897
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE
THAT THAT'S THE REALITY.
1807
01:23:23,066 --> 01:23:24,735
Douglas Smith: WE HAVE
TO DEFINE WHETHER THERE'S
1808
01:23:24,735 --> 01:23:30,675
A CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF INJURIES
THAT YOU CAN'T SEE.
1809
01:23:30,675 --> 01:23:34,444
NOW PEOPLE ARE USING THE TERM
"SUB-CONCUSSIVE BLOWS."
1810
01:23:34,444 --> 01:23:37,180
Dr. Steven Galetta:
SUB-CONCUSSIVE BLOWS
1811
01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:41,984
WOULD REFER TO HEAD HITS
THAT DON'T BECOME APPARENT
1812
01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:44,654
TO THE ATHLETE
IN ANY CLINICAL SYMPTOMOLOGY.
1813
01:23:44,654 --> 01:23:49,825
THAT IS, THEY MAY HAVE
CRASHED HELMETS AND FELT FINE.
1814
01:23:49,825 --> 01:23:53,028
Dr. Master: ONE OF THE CONCERNS
ABOUT SUB-CONCUSSIVE HITS
1815
01:23:53,028 --> 01:23:57,566
IS THAT YOU DON'T
JUST GET A PASS ON THEM.
1816
01:23:57,566 --> 01:23:59,301
THEY'RE NOT FREE.
1817
01:23:59,301 --> 01:24:02,438
Dr. Galetta: WE NEED
TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT
1818
01:24:02,438 --> 01:24:05,907
THE NUMBER OF THESE HITS
PUT THAT INDIVIDUAL
1819
01:24:05,907 --> 01:24:08,544
AT INCREASED RISK FOR CTE.
1820
01:24:08,544 --> 01:24:11,312
Jason Stallman:
WHAT IF THE REAL DAMAGE IS DONE
1821
01:24:11,312 --> 01:24:13,181
BY THE DOZENS
IF NOT HUNDREDS
1822
01:24:13,181 --> 01:24:15,183
OF SEEMINGLY
INNOCUOUS COLLISIONS
1823
01:24:15,183 --> 01:24:17,185
THAT A LINEMAN,
FOR EXAMPLE,
1824
01:24:17,185 --> 01:24:20,388
MIGHT ENDURE THROUGHOUT
THE COURSE OF A GAME.
1825
01:24:20,388 --> 01:24:22,557
THERE'S SO
LITTLE UNDERSTANDING,
1826
01:24:22,557 --> 01:24:24,225
I THINK, SO FAR,
ON WHAT
1827
01:24:24,225 --> 01:24:26,026
THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS
OF THAT ARE,
1828
01:24:26,026 --> 01:24:27,628
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT
1829
01:24:27,628 --> 01:24:31,332
A YOUNG PLAYER STARTING OUT
AT FIVE OR TEN YEARS OLD,
1830
01:24:31,332 --> 01:24:34,301
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TIMES
HIS BRAIN
1831
01:24:34,301 --> 01:24:36,637
HAS BEEN IN A COLLISION
IS QUITE A LOT.
1832
01:24:36,637 --> 01:24:39,239
WHAT IF SUDDENLY PARENTS
DON'T WANT THEIR KIDS
1833
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:41,475
TO PUT A FOOTBALL HELMET ON
1834
01:24:41,475 --> 01:24:43,643
AND RUN ONTO
A FOOTBALL FIELD ANYMORE?
1835
01:24:43,643 --> 01:24:46,046
WHERE DOES THE SPORT GO?
1836
01:24:46,046 --> 01:24:48,615
THAT'S MY BABY!
1837
01:24:48,615 --> 01:24:53,119
( crowd cheering )
1838
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:58,057
WHOO! THERE YOU GO!
THEY'RE COMING BACK!
1839
01:24:58,057 --> 01:25:00,593
WE CAN DO THIS HERE, BABY!
1840
01:25:00,593 --> 01:25:03,864
MAN, I WANT TO DO
THE DAVID AND GOLIATH THING!
1841
01:25:03,864 --> 01:25:05,998
♪
1842
01:25:07,833 --> 01:25:09,769
Cindy Parlow Cone: WHEN MY KIDS
GET HIT IN THE HEAD,
1843
01:25:09,769 --> 01:25:13,004
I IMMEDIATELY SUB THEM OUT.
1844
01:25:13,004 --> 01:25:15,541
AND I CHECK THEM OVER.
IT DRIVES THEM NUTS.
1845
01:25:15,541 --> 01:25:18,243
THEY GET SO--
"I'M FINE, CINDY, I'M FINE!"
1846
01:25:19,678 --> 01:25:23,181
Laura Rounce: GET IT, MAR!
DON'T BREAK YOUR LEG!
1847
01:25:23,181 --> 01:25:25,650
Cindy: I'VE BEEN SCREAMED
AND YELLED AT BY PARENTS
1848
01:25:25,650 --> 01:25:27,986
FOR NOT PLAYING THEM WHEN
THEY'VE GOTTEN A CONCUSSION.
1849
01:25:27,986 --> 01:25:29,454
WHICH IS FINE BY ME,
1850
01:25:29,454 --> 01:25:31,556
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT
I'M DOING THE RIGHT THING.
1851
01:25:31,556 --> 01:25:34,024
AND I'VE ACTUALLY
HAD THOSE SAME PARENTS
1852
01:25:34,024 --> 01:25:36,994
COME BACK TO ME AND APOLOGIZE
AND THANK ME
1853
01:25:36,994 --> 01:25:38,962
BECAUSE I WOULD
SEND THEM PUBLICATIONS
1854
01:25:38,962 --> 01:25:40,732
ON THE EFFECTS
OF CONCUSSIONS.
1855
01:25:40,732 --> 01:25:44,034
Mary Rounce: IT'S SCARY,
KNOWING IF I GET ONE MORE,
1856
01:25:44,034 --> 01:25:45,702
WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
1857
01:25:45,702 --> 01:25:47,906
DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET
DEMENTIA FROM CONCUSSIONS?
1858
01:25:47,906 --> 01:25:51,909
YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA
GET IT EARLY ON. ( laughs )
1859
01:25:51,909 --> 01:25:53,610
SO WHAT KIND OF MOTHER AM I?
1860
01:25:53,610 --> 01:25:55,546
SHE HEARD,
OR WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY,
1861
01:25:55,546 --> 01:25:58,715
THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE--
ONCE YOU HAVE FIVE, YOU'RE DONE.
1862
01:25:58,715 --> 01:26:01,284
IS THERE A SCIENTIFIC STUDY
ABOUT HOW MANY ARE ACCEPTABLE?
1863
01:26:01,284 --> 01:26:04,420
ZERO IS PROBABLY ACCEPTABLE.
1864
01:26:04,420 --> 01:26:07,323
OKAY.
1865
01:26:07,323 --> 01:26:09,659
AS A GENERAL PEDIATRICIAN,
1866
01:26:09,659 --> 01:26:12,895
AND ALSO A SPECIALIST
IN SPORTS MEDICINE,
1867
01:26:12,895 --> 01:26:14,963
THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION
EVEN FOR ME TO ANSWER
1868
01:26:14,963 --> 01:26:16,599
FOR MY OWN FAMILY,
AS YOU CAN SEE.
1869
01:26:16,599 --> 01:26:18,534
Dr. Laura Balcer:
THE FACT OF NEUROLOGY
1870
01:26:18,534 --> 01:26:20,336
IS THAT REALLY
AFTER THREE CONCUSSIONS
1871
01:26:20,336 --> 01:26:23,706
AN ATHLETE SHOULD THINK ABOUT
RETIRING FROM THAT SPORT.
1872
01:26:23,706 --> 01:26:25,942
Steve: AND THE SEVERITY
OF THOSE CONCUSSIONS?
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.
1873
01:26:25,942 --> 01:26:30,813
I THINK JUST THAT YOU'VE HAD
A MEANINGFUL NEUROLOGIC EVENT
EACH TIME IS IMPORTANT.
1874
01:26:30,813 --> 01:26:34,282
Dr. Master: RIGHT NOW,
NATHAN HAS SUSTAINED
1875
01:26:34,282 --> 01:26:37,619
PROBABLY THREE
OFFICIAL CONCUSSIONS.
1876
01:26:37,619 --> 01:26:39,454
Dr. Smith: PEOPLE SAY,
"WELL, IF YOU HAD A CONCUSSION,
1877
01:26:39,454 --> 01:26:42,924
HOW LONG WOULD YOU WAIT OUT
UNTIL YOU WENT BACK IN?"
1878
01:26:42,924 --> 01:26:46,060
AND I SAY 50 YEARS.
SERIOUSLY.
1879
01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:47,863
I MEAN 50 YEARS.
THAT'S MY BRAIN.
1880
01:26:47,863 --> 01:26:51,298
IF YOU GET HIT AGAIN,
YOU'RE GOING DOWN ANOTHER NOTCH.
1881
01:26:51,298 --> 01:26:53,935
IF YOU LIKE
HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN THINK NOW,
1882
01:26:53,935 --> 01:26:57,905
AND YOU LIKE WHO YOU ARE,
THAT YOU CAN GET JOKES QUICKLY,
1883
01:26:57,905 --> 01:27:00,541
YOU KNOW,
WHAT IF THAT WENT AWAY?
1884
01:27:00,541 --> 01:27:03,377
FOR ME, THAT'S ENOUGH OF A RISK
TO JUST SAY NO.
1885
01:27:03,377 --> 01:27:07,681
FIFTEEN OR SO PERCENT OF PEOPLE
WITH A SINGLE CONCUSSION
1886
01:27:07,681 --> 01:27:09,917
HAVE PERSISTING
COGNITIVE DYSFUNCTION.
1887
01:27:09,917 --> 01:27:13,253
MEANING, THEY DON'T GO
BACK TO SCHOOL OR TO WORK
1888
01:27:13,253 --> 01:27:15,488
OR JUST CARRY ON LIFE
THE WAY THEY HAD IT.
1889
01:27:15,488 --> 01:27:19,959
THEY HAVE LONG-TERM PERSISTING
PROBLEMS AFTER ONE CONCUSSION.
1890
01:27:19,959 --> 01:27:22,362
DOUG SMITH,
HE SAID ONE IS TOO MANY.
1891
01:27:22,362 --> 01:27:23,997
AND YOU KNOW,
I KIND OF CRINGED
1892
01:27:23,997 --> 01:27:26,833
BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE
HE'S PROBABLY RIGHT, YOU KNOW,
1893
01:27:26,833 --> 01:27:30,770
BUT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
1894
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:35,875
I MIGHT LOOK BACK AND SAY
I WISHED I HAD STOPPED HIM
AFTER THIS LAST ONE.
1895
01:27:35,875 --> 01:27:42,180
Steve: SO WHY DON'T YOU
JUST SAY NO HOCKEY?
1896
01:27:42,180 --> 01:27:44,616
Dr. Master:
BECAUSE HE LOVES TO PLAY HOCKEY,
1897
01:27:44,616 --> 01:27:47,653
WE LOVE THAT HE LOVES
PLAYING HOCKEY,
1898
01:27:47,653 --> 01:27:50,388
AND WE LOVE
WATCHING HIM PLAY HOCKEY.
1899
01:27:53,491 --> 01:27:55,727
Laura Rounce:
WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LITTLE BIT
1900
01:27:55,727 --> 01:27:59,630
ABOUT WHAT IF YOU
COULDN'T PLAY SOCCER.
1901
01:27:59,630 --> 01:28:01,299
AND WE DON'T HAVE
AN ANSWER TO THAT
1902
01:28:01,299 --> 01:28:02,833
BECAUSE SHE LOVES IT.
1903
01:28:02,833 --> 01:28:04,035
( crowd cheering )
1904
01:28:04,035 --> 01:28:05,836
Morgan Thomas:
I LOVE FOOTBALL.
1905
01:28:05,836 --> 01:28:10,408
YOU'RE BLEEDING, YOU'RE CRYING,
YOU'RE SWEATING WITH THESE GUYS,
1906
01:28:10,408 --> 01:28:13,911
IN THE LOCKER ROOM,
ON AWAY TRIPS.
1907
01:28:13,911 --> 01:28:15,613
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
GOING THROUGH BATTLE.
1908
01:28:15,613 --> 01:28:17,681
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
THEY'RE YOUR WAR BUDDIES.
1909
01:28:17,681 --> 01:28:20,650
YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE
TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ANYBODY.
1910
01:28:20,650 --> 01:28:24,788
Peewee coach: WHEN WE STARTED
OUR PROGRAM, IT WAS HARD.
1911
01:28:24,788 --> 01:28:29,059
YOU HAD DIVISION AMONG CHILDREN
FROM COMMUNITIES NEARBY.
1912
01:28:29,059 --> 01:28:32,996
THIS KID DOESN'T LIKE THAT KID
AND IF YOU ASK HIM WHY,
1913
01:28:32,996 --> 01:28:34,463
HE CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU,
1914
01:28:34,463 --> 01:28:37,934
OTHER THAN HE LIVE OVER THERE
IN THE ROW HOUSES.
1915
01:28:37,934 --> 01:28:43,138
AND THROUGH FOOTBALL, WE'VE BEEN
ABLE TO GET THEM TOGETHER,
1916
01:28:43,138 --> 01:28:45,407
FIND A COMMON GROUND.
1917
01:28:53,882 --> 01:28:55,183
( crowd cheering )
1918
01:28:55,183 --> 01:28:56,585
Dr. McKee:
WHEN YOU GROW UP WITH FOOTBALL,
1919
01:28:56,585 --> 01:28:58,621
YOU LOVE
THE CHANGE OF THE SEASON,
1920
01:28:58,621 --> 01:29:03,191
THE SENSE OF EXCITEMENT
WHEN YOU HEAR THE CROWD,
1921
01:29:03,191 --> 01:29:05,393
I ADMIT IT,
I'M A HUGE FOOTBALL FAN,
1922
01:29:05,393 --> 01:29:09,597
AND IT'S LIKE I CAN'T HELP IT,
IT'S JUST PART OF ME.
1923
01:29:09,597 --> 01:29:14,369
Chris: THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT
WE ROMANTICIZE THESE SPORTS.
1924
01:29:14,369 --> 01:29:15,703
WHEN I GREW UP,
1925
01:29:15,703 --> 01:29:18,606
I HAD THIS EMOTIONAL CONNECTION
TO FOOTBALL.
1926
01:29:18,606 --> 01:29:21,809
THE VALUES THAT PEOPLE HOLD DEAR
CAN BE ACHIEVED OTHER WAYS.
1927
01:29:21,809 --> 01:29:25,679
I DID PLAY BASKETBALL,
I DID PLAY BASEBALL,
I DID DO THEATRE.
1928
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:27,714
I LEARNED LESSONS
IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
1929
01:29:27,714 --> 01:29:31,785
Isaiah Kacyvenski: I WOULD LOVE
FOR ISAIAH JR. TO PLAY FOOTBALL.
1930
01:29:31,785 --> 01:29:34,921
FOOTBALL HAS ABSOLUTELY GIVEN ME
SO MUCH IN MY LIFE.
1931
01:29:34,921 --> 01:29:37,691
I JUST WANT IT TO BE
UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES.
1932
01:29:37,691 --> 01:29:40,426
RIGHT NOW,
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME
1933
01:29:40,426 --> 01:29:43,462
PUTTING MY SON ON A FIELD
WITH A GOOD CONSCIENCE.
1934
01:29:43,462 --> 01:29:44,931
MY SON'S FOUR YEARS OLD,
1935
01:29:44,931 --> 01:29:46,565
AND I HAVE A DAUGHTER
WHO'S TWO AND A HALF.
1936
01:29:46,565 --> 01:29:51,071
Steve: DO YOU WANT YOUR SON
TO PLAY FOOTBALL?
1937
01:29:51,071 --> 01:29:52,972
( sighs )
1938
01:29:52,972 --> 01:29:56,509
LET'S GO! LET'S GO!
1939
01:29:56,509 --> 01:30:00,245
RUN THE SAME THING.
GO, GO, GO. TO THE LEFT.
1940
01:30:00,245 --> 01:30:02,682
( whistle blows )
1941
01:30:02,682 --> 01:30:04,817
LET'S GO, Y'ALL.
NOW OR NEVER, BABY!
1942
01:30:04,817 --> 01:30:07,519
DAVID, LET'S MAKE HISTORY!
NOW OR NEVER!
1943
01:30:07,519 --> 01:30:10,156
OVER HERE! EVERYTHING!
1944
01:30:10,156 --> 01:30:14,126
EVERYTHING! TAKE 'EM OUT!
TAKE 'EM STRAIGHT OUT!
1945
01:30:14,126 --> 01:30:18,630
GO! YEAH! GO, BABY, GO!
GO, GO, GO!
1946
01:30:21,032 --> 01:30:22,266
( whistle blows )
1947
01:30:22,266 --> 01:30:24,903
DAMN!
1948
01:30:24,903 --> 01:30:26,336
( whistle blows )
1949
01:30:26,336 --> 01:30:28,039
HEY, THAT'S GAME.
1950
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:30,842
WOW.
1951
01:30:30,842 --> 01:30:33,777
THEY JUST GOT TIRED ON ME,
THAT'S ALL.
1952
01:30:33,777 --> 01:30:35,846
AIN'T GOT NOTHIN'
TO HOLD THEIR HEADS DOWN FOR.
1953
01:30:35,846 --> 01:30:38,315
ELEVEN GUYS, YES, SIR.
1954
01:30:38,315 --> 01:30:39,917
HEY, BOY, DON'T DO THAT.
1955
01:30:39,917 --> 01:30:41,719
DON'T DO THAT. COME HERE.
COME HERE, RIGHT HERE.
1956
01:30:41,719 --> 01:30:43,987
COME HERE, COME HERE.
LOOK. LOOK.
1957
01:30:43,987 --> 01:30:47,323
Y'ALL DIDN'T GET THIS FAR
NOT KNOWING HOW TO PLAY.
1958
01:30:47,323 --> 01:30:49,492
COME ON, CHRIS,
HOLD YOUR HEAD UP
1959
01:30:49,492 --> 01:30:52,029
AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU
ACCOMPLISHED THIS SEASON,
1960
01:30:52,029 --> 01:30:54,464
AND GOD WILLING,
I'LL SEE ALL Y'ALL
1961
01:30:54,464 --> 01:30:55,999
BACK HERE NEXT YEAR.
1962
01:30:55,999 --> 01:30:57,467
IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL WANT?
Players: YEAH!
1963
01:30:57,467 --> 01:30:58,801
LET ME HEAR YOU THEN.
1964
01:30:58,801 --> 01:31:00,470
HOW DO Y'ALL FEEL?
GOOD!
1965
01:31:00,470 --> 01:31:01,671
HOW YOU FEEL?
GOOD!
1966
01:31:01,671 --> 01:31:03,139
HOW GOOD?!
REAL GOOD!
1967
01:31:03,139 --> 01:31:04,640
HOW GOOD?!
REAL GOOD!
1968
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,710
♪
1969
01:31:07,710 --> 01:31:11,580
Keith Primeau: FOCUS,
DETERMINATION,
1970
01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:15,851
A WILLINGNESS TO COMMIT
AND COMPETE FOR THE ENTIRE GAME.
1971
01:31:15,851 --> 01:31:20,189
IT'S THE REASON
FOR PLAYING SPORTS.
1972
01:31:20,189 --> 01:31:22,191
THREE OF MY FOUR CHILDREN
1973
01:31:22,191 --> 01:31:25,327
HAVE ALL SUFFERED
ONE CONCUSSION.
1974
01:31:25,327 --> 01:31:27,863
MY DAUGHTER ASKED ME
THE QUESTION,
1975
01:31:27,863 --> 01:31:30,999
"DADDY, SHOULD WE NOT PLAY
IF WE COULD GET HURT?"
1976
01:31:30,999 --> 01:31:32,734
AND I SAID,
"WELL, THAT'S YOUR DECISION.
1977
01:31:32,734 --> 01:31:34,735
"YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY
IF YOU DON'T WANT,
1978
01:31:34,735 --> 01:31:36,872
BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE
IN LIFE."
1979
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,576
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER.
I'M NOT 100% SURE.
1980
01:31:42,576 --> 01:31:44,712
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK
THAT I'M NOT CONCERNED
1981
01:31:44,712 --> 01:31:48,115
ABOUT THEIR HEALTH
OR WELL-BEING, BUT I AM.
1982
01:31:48,115 --> 01:31:52,920
BUT I DON'T LIVE IN FEAR OF THEM
GETTING HURT PLAYING SPORT.
1983
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:54,155
YOU READY TO GO?
1984
01:31:54,155 --> 01:31:56,056
Players: LET'S GO, BOYS!
1985
01:31:56,056 --> 01:31:58,259
IT'S THE ENJOYMENT
I SEE IN THEIR FACE
1986
01:31:58,259 --> 01:32:00,060
WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT...
1987
01:32:00,060 --> 01:32:03,863
AND THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME.
1988
01:32:03,863 --> 01:32:05,799
♪
1989
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:13,505
♪
1990
01:32:27,386 --> 01:32:31,390
♪ SLOW POSE
1991
01:32:31,390 --> 01:32:35,027
♪ AND CROSS-EYED
1992
01:32:35,027 --> 01:32:41,499
♪ VISIONS OWED
TO THE RAILROAD TIES ♪
1993
01:32:41,499 --> 01:32:46,238
♪ HUMPBACKS
1994
01:32:46,238 --> 01:32:49,507
♪ AND SUGAR SHACKS
1995
01:32:49,507 --> 01:32:56,280
♪ SHOTGUN WED
TO THE POISON OF OUR PAST ♪
1996
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,817
♪ A LITTLE LONGER
1997
01:32:59,817 --> 01:33:03,687
♪ A LITTLE LONGER TO GO
1998
01:33:03,687 --> 01:33:07,424
♪ WE'VE A LITTLE LONGER ♪
1999
01:33:07,424 --> 01:33:10,294
♪ A LITTLE LONGER TO GO
2000
01:33:10,294 --> 01:33:14,431
♪ I JUST CAN'T HELP SAY SO ♪
2001
01:33:19,302 --> 01:33:24,440
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME? ♪
2002
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:29,312
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME AT ALL? ♪
2003
01:33:29,312 --> 01:33:33,048
♪ INTERSPACED, OH
2004
01:33:33,048 --> 01:33:36,452
♪ AND PIE-FACED, OH
2005
01:33:36,452 --> 01:33:38,254
♪ YOU CATCH THE MOON
2006
01:33:38,254 --> 01:33:44,093
♪ I'LL JUST STAND HERE
AND RUN IN PLACE ♪
2007
01:33:44,093 --> 01:33:48,230
♪ SHELL SHOCKED, OH
2008
01:33:48,230 --> 01:33:51,633
♪ AND HALF-COCKED, OH
2009
01:33:51,633 --> 01:33:57,238
♪ THE UNIVERSE
IS FULL OF BLACK HOLES ♪
2010
01:33:57,238 --> 01:34:00,174
♪ AND ANNIVERSARY NIGHTS
2011
01:34:02,343 --> 01:34:05,747
♪ A LITTLE LONGER TO GO
2012
01:34:05,747 --> 01:34:09,616
♪ WE'VE A LITTLE LONGER ♪
2013
01:34:09,616 --> 01:34:13,354
♪ A LITTLE LONGER TO GO
2014
01:34:13,354 --> 01:34:16,623
♪ WE'VE A LITTLE LONGER TO GO ♪
2015
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:24,231
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME AT ALL? ♪
2016
01:34:24,231 --> 01:34:26,900
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME? ♪
2017
01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:31,637
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME AT ALL? ♪
2018
01:34:31,637 --> 01:34:34,507
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME? ♪
2019
01:34:34,507 --> 01:34:38,044
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME? ♪
2020
01:34:38,044 --> 01:34:42,915
♪ CAN'T YOU SEE ME AT ALL? ♪
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