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NARRATOR [in English]:
Previously on
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The Devil's
The Lost Eichmann Tapes...
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Adolf Eichmann evades capture
by the Allies for 15 years,
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fleeing to Argentina.
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Following Eichmann's capture
in 1960,
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Nazi journalist
Willem Sassen takes advantage
of the media frenzy
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and sells excerpts
of the interviews
toLife Magazine.
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The publication of
the Life Magazineinterview
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I think
was an astonishing moment.
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Almost worldwide sensation.
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MAN [speaking German]
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NARRATOR [in English]:
This enrages Eichmann's
family and supporters,
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who demand Sassen
turn over the tapes.
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When the Eichmann story
blows into the public,
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the Nazis who were
still around in Argentina,
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they moved against my father,
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because my father betrayed,
in their eyes.
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But fearing
for his life, Sassen denies
knowing their whereabouts.
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MAN [speaking Hebrew]
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Nazis have
always denied their role
in the Holocaust.
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[speaking German]
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NARRATOR [in English]:
After the war,
many fled Europe,
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including the architect
of the Final Solution -
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Adolf Eichmann.
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UKI GOÑ
He's practically the last
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important Nazi who arrived
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in Argentina after the war.
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While hiding
in Argentina,
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Eichmann records
a series of interviews
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with Nazi journalist
Willem Sassen,
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admitting his role
in the Holocaust.
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Sassen came up
with this crazy idea
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that he would interview the
mastermind of the Holocaust.
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This is him boasting
about what he did.
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The tapes are rediscovered,
and now for the first time,
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we'll hear Eichmann
admitting his crimes,
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a true Nazi confession.
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With so many people
seeking the tapes,
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Sassen knows he needs
a safe hiding place
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and gives them to an old ally
before fleeing to Paraguay.
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UKI GOÑThere was
a former Luftwaffe officer
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who had also escaped
to Argentina after the war.
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This man called Dieter Menge.
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And Menge made a lot of money.
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And Menge had
a very large house
outside Buenos Aires,
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a meeting place for Nazis.
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They actually had
a flag post where they raised
the Nazi flag,
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they saw Nazi movies,
they toasted to the Fuührer.
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Maybe he made
a deal with Sassen to sell
the tapes to somebody
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and they split the money.
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You have to bear in mind,
you know, these are Nazi
adventurers, ex-SS men.
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These are people
who had no problem with lying
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and they had no problem
with lying to each other.
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Menge takes no risks
and buries the tapes
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in his backyard
outside of Buenos Aires.
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Eichmann's taped recollections
were self incriminating.
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And if accepted at the trial,
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Eichmann admitted
the charges against him.
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But Eichmann and
Sassen aren't the only ones
interested in the tapes.
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Israeli Attorney General
Gideon Hausner,
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knows the tapes will prove,
beyond a shadow of a doubt,
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that Eichmann's
repeated claims that he
was simply following orders
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are nothing more than lies.
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The governments of Israel,
West Germany and the US
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also have a variety
of interests that make
the very existence
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of the tapes problematic.
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The BND,
the West German foreign
intelligence service,
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had great concern
about what Eichmann
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had told Sassen
and would tell the Israelis.
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It wasn't simply the trial
of the century.
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It was the trial
of the century
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at the height of the Cold War.
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With the
whereabouts of the recordings
still in question,
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Attorney General Hausner
is forced to rely
on the excerpts
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published inLife Magazine
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as evidence
of Eichmann's guilt.
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If I were Hausner,
I would have been pleased.
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Because it's showing the world
who this man was.
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It's sort of tilling the soil
before we plant.
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[speaking Hebrew]
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LAWRENCE DOUGLAS [in English]:
You could say it simplifies
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some of the work of the
prosecution
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in that it complicates
any kind of defense that
Eichmann is going to mount,
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because it sounds
as if he is now acknowledging
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his participation
in this genocide,
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and doing so without
the remotest expression
of regret.
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[speaking Hebrew]
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[speaking German]
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[speaking Hebrew]
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[speaking German]
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[in English]
Eichmann lied to 2.5 million
Jews into their own death
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and we seriously believe
that we can tell
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whether he is telling
the truth or not?
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Forget it.
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[speaking Hebrew]
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[speaking German]
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[speaking Hebrew]
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[speaking German]
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BETTINA STANGNETH
[in English]: Eichmann is used
to being in such a situation.
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He is fighting a war
on several fronts.
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He has the judges,
the prosecution, the audience,
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and he needs
to figure out his role.
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Of course he chose the role
that he had already performed
for Sassen, but in reverse.
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To Sassen, he always said:
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"I really wasn't
a little bureaucrat!"
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And it is precisely this role
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of the annoyingly bureaucratic
and petty-minded guy
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that he chooses to play
in court.
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Eichmann in Jerusalem
is a man without a uniform.
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He is a man
in a slightly oversized suit.
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Eichmann knows
how to appear different,
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with attitude,
posture, clothing,
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glasses, and haircut.
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He knows how to look harmless.
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Eichmann said
he was a clerk who always
cooperated
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and did
what he was told to do.
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The psychiatrist
who examined him said
that it was all a mask.
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He didn't really try
to please people.
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That was how he presented
himself to the world.
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To determine
his fitness for trial,
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Hausner asks
for Eichmann to be evaluated
by a psychiatrist.
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It was a tool,
trying to figure out
who these people are
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who committed murder
on such a scale,
in such a way,
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with such composure.
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Maybe we can learn something
that will be of relevance
in the trial.
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The psychiatrist
recounts Eichmann's childhood
as Eichmann had told him.
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He said that
his father was very strict.
He would often slap him.
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He was scared of his father
and he learned from his father
that he must not be weak.
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He realized that he should
never show weakness
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and he did everything
with such loyalty
and precision
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so that any inkling
of the fear in his life
wouldn't come out.
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The childhood and youth
of Adolf Eichmann lack
any aura or glamour.
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He has no profession
until he enlists to the SS.
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His senses tell him
that there in the SS
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he will have
a significant career.
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When you got
this black uniform,
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everyone was looking at you
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with respect, also with fear,
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and you were on the top
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of the pyramid
of the German people.
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You were part of an elite
even if you were a worker
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or had no school,
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no university study,
and so on.
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Eichmann becomes
an important man.
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He has an official
car, he has a driver,
he has secretaries,
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and he must have dreamt about
all of this his entire life.
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His personal frustration
was the reason for the zeal
and passion
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to achieve
at least one big achievement.
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And this big achievement
is connected
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to the persecution
of European Jews.
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The Nazis were obsessed
with their racial theories
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about the inferiority
of the Jewish people.
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The Nazis
had this insane belief
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that a person's ethnic group
or the national group
you were part of
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or the religious group
you were part of
were different,
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this were the eugenics.
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And he really believed
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that Jews
were inherently different
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from Germans.
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In late 1934,
Eichmann is appointed
to the new department
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responsible for
Jewish affairs at the SS.
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The agency is tasked
with surveillance
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and terrorizing enemies
of the Nazi-German state.
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Eichmann
was devising systems
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for identifying Jews,
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for following Jews
in their activities,
for monitoring,
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trying to work out for the SS
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a systematic way
of tracking Jews.
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During his conversations
with Sassen,
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Eichmann takes the liberty
of disclosing
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one of Adolf Hitler's
biggest secrets.
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[speaking German]
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NARRATOR [in English]:
Eichmann not only
tracks the Jews,
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but is also responsible
for forcing them
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to emigrate
to different countries.
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Looking for
potential destinations,
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he visits Palestine,
then under British rule,
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but is quickly detained
and expelled.
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In his report about the trip,
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he describes
his anti-Semitic views,
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which he also expresses
to Sassen.
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[speaking German]
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[speaking Hebrew]
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[speaking German]
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LAWRENCE DOUGLAS [in English]:
Eichmann characterizes himself
in all sorts of ways.
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"Look, I was never anti-Semite
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and I harbor no ill will
towards the Jewish people."
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The Sassen interviews
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and the Sassen tapes
gave a lie to that.
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[speaking German]
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[speaking Hebrew]
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[speaking German]
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NARRATOR [in English]:
Dr. Robert Servatius
is chosen
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by the family
to defend Eichmann,
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and in the interest
of staging a fair trial,
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the Israeli government
agrees to pay his salary.
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He is a well-known attorney
in Germany after representing
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a number
of Nazi war criminals
at the Nuremberg Trials.
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Servatius was a respectful
defense lawyer
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at the same time that he tried
to defend his client
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and he tried to rely
on the defense that his client
himself supplied.
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Namely, that he was just a cog
in the machine.
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Servatius
has to defend his client
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and that can only be done
if you know what to expect.
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And Eichmann, the idiot,
doesn't tell his lawyer
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that in Argentina
he gave an interview
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that was
a thousand pages long.
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Partially, Eichmann lied
without end.
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Attorney Robert Servatius
has stated
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that he will withdraw from
the defense of Adolf Eichmann
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if it turns out
that the claims attributed
to his client
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byLife Magazine are genuine.
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Servatius also added
that he would check
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the credibility
of Eichmann's confession
with his brother,
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Dr. Robert Eichmann,
in Linz, Austria.
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Naturally, they all wanted
their friend, husband, brother
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to be properly defended.
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And Eichmann's extended family
was always ready to help.
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They stayed in touch with him
and still lived in Austria.
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But here, too,
it's unknown who
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we are dealing with exactly.
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The Eichmann family
in Austria, at least in part,
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benefited from
their brother's career.
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Eichmann's father, who joined
the Nazi party on the same day
as his son,
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couldn't explain after the war
why he owned several things
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that formerly belonged
to Jewish people.
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And in this respect,
the family was clearly a part
of the inner circle.
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Despite his misgivings,
Servatius is persuaded
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by the Eichmann family
to continue defending him
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and in exchange, they agreed
to cover his many expenses.
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The family also passes
encoded messages
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through Servatius
to Eichmann in Israel.
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[Servatius speaking German
on phone]
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NARRATOR [in English]:
Eichmann's personal
conferences with his lawyer
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lead to a secret meeting
of Israeli cabinet members.
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The government
session focuses on
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whether or not to allow
a meeting in private
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between Servatius
and Eichmann.
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At the meeting,
it is decided that Eichmann
and Servatius
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should no longer be allowed
to meet in private.
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But, Isser Harel, Head of
the Israeli Secret Service,
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informs everyone
that, in fact, the meetings
are being secretly recorded
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and confirms that Servatius
is passing encrypted messages
to his client.
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[Eichmann speaking German
on phone]
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[Servatius speaking on phone]
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[Eichmann speaking on phone]
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GADI WARSHA [in English]:
Isser just says,
"We listened in on them
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and they don't know it,"
and moves on.
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[Servatius speaking German
on phone]
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NARRATOR [in English]:
Hausner himself
reassures Servatius
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that his attorney-client
meetings are not being
listened to.
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He knows
the illegal wiretapping
might allow him
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to obtain vital information
about Sassen's recordings.
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[Isser speaking Hebrew
on recording]
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BETTINA STANGNETH
[in English]: The "oak tree"
we are talking about
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is of great significance
to Germans.
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When one says
that an oak tree won't fall,
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it always means that
the person shall
stand straight,
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that he will overcome
what he faces,
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that everything
will be resolved.
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With this code,
Sassen was saying to Eichmann,
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"Don't worry,
I hid the tapes."
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With Hausner unable
to locate the Sassen tapes,
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the court's ultimate decision
on whether or not to admit
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the Life Magazine article
into evidence
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will be crucial to him
proving Eichmann's guilt.
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[speaking Hebrew]
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HANNA YABLONKA [in English]:
Eichmann is right, of course.
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He claimed
that what a journalist does
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with his freedom of speech
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does not apply to him.
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There was no way that Hausner
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could actually verify
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the truthfulness
of the Life Magazine article
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and the court is trying
to demonstrate that look,
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we are a court of law.
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Even though it looks like
highly probative evidence,
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we don't
really have the resources
to authenticate it
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and so unfortunately
we can't accept it in
as evidence.
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[speaking Hebrew]
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LAWRENCE DOUGLAS [in English]:
Sassen was not about
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to cooperate
with the Israelis.
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The contract that he signed
with Life Magazine
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permitted Lifeto supply
some of the materials
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to some other
media organizations,
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but specifically barred
Life Magazine
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from sharing anything
with the Israelis.
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So it raises the question
of how do you get hold
of this material?
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[speaking Hebrew]
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TIMOTHY NAFTALI [in English]:
This is a document showing
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that the assistant editor
of Life Magazine
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gave the CIA
an advanced copy of the text
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of their article on Eichmann.
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What interests Americans
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is the propaganda value
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of what Eichmann is saying
in Life Magazine.
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They were worried
about how the East Germans
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and the Soviets
would use this.
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With the battle lines
of the Cold War
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literally running through
the middle of Germany,
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many worried about
what sensitive material
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the Eichmann
recordings contained.
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This was not
just about history.
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It wasn't just about memory.
It wasn't just about justice.
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It was also about politics
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and foreign policy
and security matters,
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and it was also about
the climax of the Cold War.
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To get a sense
of where the Cold War was
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at the moment of the trial,
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keep in mind
that the Berlin Wall goes up
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while Eichmann is on trial.
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[speaking German]
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TIMOTHY NAFTALI [in English]:
There were
two Germanys warring
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for the right to be Germany,
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but also for the right
to be the Germany
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that came after Hitler.
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Germans were very concerned
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that this trial was going
to be a source of all sorts
of embarrassment,
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demonstrating that there
are a lot of Nazis
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who remained
in positions of high power
within Germany itself.
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REPORTER [speaking German]
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TIMOTHY NAFTALI [in English]:
The East Germans saw this
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as an opportunity
to remind the world
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that, yeah,
there's only one Eichmann,
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but that doesn't mean
there's only one bad Nazi left
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who deserves justice.
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And some of them worked
for Konrad Adenauer.
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Konrad Adenauer
is the first Chancellor
of West Germany
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after World War II,
and is charged with leading
his country
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from the post-war chaos
into the modern era.
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The person
with perhaps the most to lose
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if the tapes are heard
during Eichmann's trial
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is Adenauer's right-hand man,
Hans Globke,
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who oversaw the plan
for the enforcement
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of the Nuremberg Race Laws
later carried out
by Eichmann.
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Hans Globke is one
of the most powerful men
in West Germany.
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He is the closest advisor
to Adenauer.
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Now we know that as a lawyer,
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a bureaucrat
in the Nazi system,
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he helped draft
the Nuremberg Laws,
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which established
the "legal basis"
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for discrimination
against German Jews.
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Why would Adenauer employ
someone like Globke?
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It was an open offer
to all German people:
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We integrate all of you,
even with a Nazi past.
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We're not going
to lock you all up.
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You may continue working
within our establishment.
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Since Israel
is trying Eichmann,
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one cannot overlook
the Nuremberg Laws,
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because it's obvious
that Eichmann will say,
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"What do you want from me?
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00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:07,859
I applied the laws
of the Third Reich."
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And who made these laws?
Hans Globke.
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This was a major problem
for Adenauer.
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And just as East Germany
went into overdrive
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to start
pumping out propaganda,
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West Germany was worried
about what Eichmann might say.
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The BND was very key
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in trying to make sure
that they had an ear on
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what was going on in Israel,
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tried to manipulate things
a little under the table.
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Eichmann's connections
to not only Globke,
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but other
former Nazi officials
who were integrated
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into the new
West German government
could be exposed
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if Sassen's recordings
are played in court.
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Hausner knows that this
is against the interest
of the West German government
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00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:10,704
and therefore against
the interest of his own
government as well.
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00:29:13,446 --> 00:29:15,448
Hausner is aware
that Ben-Gurion,
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00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:18,364
against strong opposition
from within the country,
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00:29:18,408 --> 00:29:21,628
and despite
protests and riots
led by Holocaust survivors,
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is negotiating
with West Germany
to support Israel.
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Three months
before the trial took place,
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Ben-Gurion met Adenauer
in New York.
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He had a clear interest
for the sake of Israel
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00:29:34,467 --> 00:29:37,383
to establish relations
with Germany.
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It was an encounter
of vested interests -
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Israel desperately
needed support
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and West Germany
was in desperate need
of rehabilitation.
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00:29:50,048 --> 00:29:53,399
For someone to say
that West Germany
is different,
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that it is not Nazi Germany.
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I said, in the Knesset,
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in the Israeli parliament,
last summer,
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that Germany of today
is not the Germany
of yesterday.
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The story
of the Eichmann affair
from the Israeli perspective
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is a nostalgic, heroic,
a very romantic story,
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00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:20,513
how David
demanded justice from
the already defeated Goliath.
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00:30:20,557 --> 00:30:23,125
But this is nothing
but a shadow boxing,
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00:30:23,168 --> 00:30:26,345
a smoke screen
that conceals the true story.
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00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:30,393
And the true story
is the Israeli-German
nuclear project.
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00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:36,268
Once a decision is made
that Israel will launch
a nuclear project,
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there are things
that have to be done.
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00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:40,272
It demands
a certain technology,
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00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,013
certain materials,
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00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:43,362
and first and foremost,
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a lot, a lot of money.
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00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:50,456
Money that
the newly established State
of Israel doesn't have.
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00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,676
Very quickly, David Ben-Gurion
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00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:55,287
and Shimon Peres,
his political partner,
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00:30:55,331 --> 00:30:58,987
realize that
the way to continue
with the nuclear project
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00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:02,338
is by partnering
with De Gaulle's France
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00:31:02,381 --> 00:31:03,992
and Adenauer's Germany.
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00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:07,952
Adenauer and Strauss,
his defense minister,
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00:31:07,996 --> 00:31:10,955
put a gun on the table,
so to say.
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00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:14,698
You want us to continue
funding the nuclear project?
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00:31:15,177 --> 00:31:19,224
So do not mention the name
Hans Globke at the trial.
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00:31:20,095 --> 00:31:22,097
And that
certainly was communicated
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00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:26,318
from Ben-Gurion
to Gideon Hausner.
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00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:28,320
I don't think we should be
entirely surprised
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00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:31,280
that there was some kind
of, what we might say,
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00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:35,153
cross-fertilization
between Ben-Gurion
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and the Attorney General
of Israel.
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00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:41,986
Ben-Gurion tried
to prevent the prosecutor
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00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:44,293
from submitting a document
at trial
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00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:47,035
that shows
that Globke took part
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00:31:47,078 --> 00:31:49,211
in a meeting
with Eichmann's representative
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00:31:50,516 --> 00:31:53,345
where they're talking
about seizing property.
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00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:56,435
This is
a very important document.
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00:31:56,479 --> 00:32:00,526
Hausner comes
to Ben-Gurion and says,
"I have this document."
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00:32:01,788 --> 00:32:05,227
Ben-Gurion says, "Perhaps
don't make it public."
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00:32:06,184 --> 00:32:09,013
And Hausner says,
"I can't not make it public."
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00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:11,189
And Ben-Gurion has no choice.
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00:32:11,842 --> 00:32:14,323
Then they even decide
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