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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,986 --> 00:00:32,336 NARRATOR [in English]: Previously on 2 00:00:32,379 --> 00:00:36,383 The Devil's The Lost Eichmann Tapes... 3 00:00:36,427 --> 00:00:39,256 Adolf Eichmann evades capture by the Allies for 15 years, 4 00:00:39,299 --> 00:00:41,475 fleeing to Argentina. 5 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:46,306 Following Eichmann's capture in 1960, 6 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:50,745 Nazi journalist Willem Sassen takes advantage of the media frenzy 7 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:54,749 and sells excerpts of the interviews toLife Magazine. 8 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:57,361 The publication of the Life Magazineinterview 9 00:00:57,404 --> 00:01:00,799 I think was an astonishing moment. 10 00:01:00,842 --> 00:01:02,583 Almost worldwide sensation. 11 00:01:02,627 --> 00:01:05,064 MAN [speaking German] 12 00:01:05,108 --> 00:01:07,936 NARRATOR [in English]: This enrages Eichmann's family and supporters, 13 00:01:07,980 --> 00:01:10,156 who demand Sassen turn over the tapes. 14 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,464 When the Eichmann story blows into the public, 15 00:01:13,507 --> 00:01:16,728 the Nazis who were still around in Argentina, 16 00:01:16,771 --> 00:01:19,426 they moved against my father, 17 00:01:19,470 --> 00:01:23,169 because my father betrayed, in their eyes. 18 00:01:23,213 --> 00:01:27,173 But fearing for his life, Sassen denies knowing their whereabouts. 19 00:01:30,481 --> 00:01:32,526 MAN [speaking Hebrew] 20 00:01:38,489 --> 00:01:41,927 Nazis have always denied their role in the Holocaust. 21 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:48,020 [speaking German] 22 00:01:48,063 --> 00:01:49,848 NARRATOR [in English]: After the war, many fled Europe, 23 00:01:49,891 --> 00:01:52,807 including the architect of the Final Solution - 24 00:01:52,851 --> 00:01:54,331 Adolf Eichmann. 25 00:01:54,374 --> 00:01:55,767 UKI GOÑ He's practically the last 26 00:01:55,810 --> 00:01:57,203 important Nazi who arrived 27 00:01:57,247 --> 00:01:59,292 in Argentina after the war. 28 00:02:01,512 --> 00:02:03,340 While hiding in Argentina, 29 00:02:03,383 --> 00:02:05,342 Eichmann records a series of interviews 30 00:02:05,385 --> 00:02:07,431 with Nazi journalist Willem Sassen, 31 00:02:07,474 --> 00:02:09,824 admitting his role in the Holocaust. 32 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:12,523 Sassen came up with this crazy idea 33 00:02:12,566 --> 00:02:15,134 that he would interview the mastermind of the Holocaust. 34 00:02:15,178 --> 00:02:19,486 This is him boasting about what he did. 35 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:23,273 The tapes are rediscovered, and now for the first time, 36 00:02:23,316 --> 00:02:25,579 we'll hear Eichmann admitting his crimes, 37 00:02:25,623 --> 00:02:27,842 a true Nazi confession. 38 00:02:42,901 --> 00:02:44,946 With so many people seeking the tapes, 39 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:47,514 Sassen knows he needs a safe hiding place 40 00:02:47,558 --> 00:02:50,909 and gives them to an old ally before fleeing to Paraguay. 41 00:02:53,259 --> 00:02:56,741 UKI GOÑThere was a former Luftwaffe officer 42 00:02:56,784 --> 00:02:59,047 who had also escaped to Argentina after the war. 43 00:02:59,091 --> 00:03:00,919 This man called Dieter Menge. 44 00:03:01,702 --> 00:03:03,748 And Menge made a lot of money. 45 00:03:03,791 --> 00:03:06,968 And Menge had a very large house outside Buenos Aires, 46 00:03:07,012 --> 00:03:09,232 a meeting place for Nazis. 47 00:03:09,275 --> 00:03:14,280 They actually had a flag post where they raised the Nazi flag, 48 00:03:14,324 --> 00:03:17,892 they saw Nazi movies, they toasted to the Fuührer. 49 00:03:19,764 --> 00:03:23,028 Maybe he made a deal with Sassen to sell the tapes to somebody 50 00:03:23,071 --> 00:03:25,552 and they split the money. 51 00:03:25,596 --> 00:03:30,296 You have to bear in mind, you know, these are Nazi adventurers, ex-SS men. 52 00:03:30,340 --> 00:03:35,127 These are people who had no problem with lying 53 00:03:35,170 --> 00:03:39,044 and they had no problem with lying to each other. 54 00:03:39,087 --> 00:03:41,568 Menge takes no risks and buries the tapes 55 00:03:41,612 --> 00:03:44,310 in his backyard outside of Buenos Aires. 56 00:03:46,138 --> 00:03:50,360 Eichmann's taped recollections were self incriminating. 57 00:03:51,012 --> 00:03:53,537 And if accepted at the trial, 58 00:03:53,580 --> 00:03:56,801 Eichmann admitted the charges against him. 59 00:03:56,844 --> 00:04:00,674 But Eichmann and Sassen aren't the only ones interested in the tapes. 60 00:04:03,198 --> 00:04:05,636 Israeli Attorney General Gideon Hausner, 61 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:08,508 knows the tapes will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, 62 00:04:08,552 --> 00:04:12,251 that Eichmann's repeated claims that he was simply following orders 63 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:14,253 are nothing more than lies. 64 00:04:17,517 --> 00:04:20,912 The governments of Israel, West Germany and the US 65 00:04:20,955 --> 00:04:24,176 also have a variety of interests that make the very existence 66 00:04:24,219 --> 00:04:26,004 of the tapes problematic. 67 00:04:31,401 --> 00:04:34,360 The BND, the West German foreign intelligence service, 68 00:04:34,404 --> 00:04:37,232 had great concern about what Eichmann 69 00:04:37,276 --> 00:04:40,497 had told Sassen and would tell the Israelis. 70 00:04:41,324 --> 00:04:44,544 It wasn't simply the trial of the century. 71 00:04:44,588 --> 00:04:46,851 It was the trial of the century 72 00:04:47,808 --> 00:04:49,941 at the height of the Cold War. 73 00:04:52,509 --> 00:04:55,642 With the whereabouts of the recordings still in question, 74 00:04:55,686 --> 00:04:59,080 Attorney General Hausner is forced to rely on the excerpts 75 00:04:59,124 --> 00:05:00,691 published inLife Magazine 76 00:05:00,734 --> 00:05:03,084 as evidence of Eichmann's guilt. 77 00:05:04,956 --> 00:05:07,393 If I were Hausner, I would have been pleased. 78 00:05:07,437 --> 00:05:11,832 Because it's showing the world who this man was. 79 00:05:11,876 --> 00:05:15,445 It's sort of tilling the soil before we plant. 80 00:05:16,489 --> 00:05:20,928 [speaking Hebrew] 81 00:05:33,245 --> 00:05:35,639 LAWRENCE DOUGLAS [in English]: You could say it simplifies 82 00:05:35,682 --> 00:05:38,163 some of the work of the prosecution 83 00:05:38,206 --> 00:05:42,210 in that it complicates any kind of defense that Eichmann is going to mount, 84 00:05:42,254 --> 00:05:46,650 because it sounds as if he is now acknowledging 85 00:05:46,693 --> 00:05:50,871 his participation in this genocide, 86 00:05:50,915 --> 00:05:55,310 and doing so without the remotest expression of regret. 87 00:06:00,707 --> 00:06:03,188 [speaking Hebrew] 88 00:06:25,036 --> 00:06:29,214 [speaking German] 89 00:06:32,913 --> 00:06:37,440 [speaking Hebrew] 90 00:06:52,106 --> 00:06:55,414 [speaking German] 91 00:07:15,086 --> 00:07:18,829 [in English] Eichmann lied to 2.5 million Jews into their own death 92 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:20,961 and we seriously believe that we can tell 93 00:07:21,005 --> 00:07:23,137 whether he is telling the truth or not? 94 00:07:23,181 --> 00:07:24,182 Forget it. 95 00:07:28,099 --> 00:07:31,885 [speaking Hebrew] 96 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:41,242 [speaking German] 97 00:07:41,286 --> 00:07:43,984 [speaking Hebrew] 98 00:07:44,028 --> 00:07:48,511 [speaking German] 99 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,003 BETTINA STANGNETH [in English]: Eichmann is used to being in such a situation. 100 00:08:03,047 --> 00:08:06,703 He is fighting a war on several fronts. 101 00:08:06,746 --> 00:08:09,662 He has the judges, the prosecution, the audience, 102 00:08:11,882 --> 00:08:14,319 and he needs to figure out his role. 103 00:08:14,841 --> 00:08:19,542 Of course he chose the role that he had already performed for Sassen, but in reverse. 104 00:08:22,153 --> 00:08:23,807 To Sassen, he always said: 105 00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:26,331 "I really wasn't a little bureaucrat!" 106 00:08:26,374 --> 00:08:28,202 And it is precisely this role 107 00:08:28,246 --> 00:08:31,728 of the annoyingly bureaucratic and petty-minded guy 108 00:08:31,771 --> 00:08:33,381 that he chooses to play in court. 109 00:08:34,208 --> 00:08:37,690 Eichmann in Jerusalem is a man without a uniform. 110 00:08:37,734 --> 00:08:41,172 He is a man in a slightly oversized suit. 111 00:08:41,215 --> 00:08:42,913 Eichmann knows how to appear different, 112 00:08:42,956 --> 00:08:45,219 with attitude, posture, clothing, 113 00:08:45,263 --> 00:08:47,091 glasses, and haircut. 114 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:51,965 He knows how to look harmless. 115 00:08:58,668 --> 00:09:01,540 Eichmann said he was a clerk who always cooperated 116 00:09:01,584 --> 00:09:03,411 and did what he was told to do. 117 00:09:04,456 --> 00:09:07,981 The psychiatrist who examined him said that it was all a mask. 118 00:09:08,025 --> 00:09:10,462 He didn't really try to please people. 119 00:09:10,505 --> 00:09:13,117 That was how he presented himself to the world. 120 00:09:16,903 --> 00:09:19,297 To determine his fitness for trial, 121 00:09:19,340 --> 00:09:22,605 Hausner asks for Eichmann to be evaluated by a psychiatrist. 122 00:09:24,911 --> 00:09:28,262 It was a tool, trying to figure out who these people are 123 00:09:28,306 --> 00:09:31,875 who committed murder on such a scale, in such a way, 124 00:09:31,918 --> 00:09:33,746 with such composure. 125 00:09:34,486 --> 00:09:37,532 Maybe we can learn something that will be of relevance in the trial. 126 00:09:42,233 --> 00:09:46,541 The psychiatrist recounts Eichmann's childhood as Eichmann had told him. 127 00:09:46,585 --> 00:09:50,720 He said that his father was very strict. He would often slap him. 128 00:09:50,763 --> 00:09:55,507 He was scared of his father and he learned from his father that he must not be weak. 129 00:09:57,596 --> 00:10:00,425 He realized that he should never show weakness 130 00:10:00,468 --> 00:10:03,471 and he did everything with such loyalty and precision 131 00:10:03,515 --> 00:10:07,475 so that any inkling of the fear in his life wouldn't come out. 132 00:10:11,349 --> 00:10:15,962 The childhood and youth of Adolf Eichmann lack any aura or glamour. 133 00:10:17,485 --> 00:10:21,489 He has no profession until he enlists to the SS. 134 00:10:23,709 --> 00:10:26,407 His senses tell him that there in the SS 135 00:10:26,451 --> 00:10:28,758 he will have a significant career. 136 00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:32,413 When you got this black uniform, 137 00:10:32,457 --> 00:10:35,373 everyone was looking at you 138 00:10:35,416 --> 00:10:38,637 with respect, also with fear, 139 00:10:38,681 --> 00:10:41,031 and you were on the top 140 00:10:41,074 --> 00:10:43,860 of the pyramid of the German people. 141 00:10:43,903 --> 00:10:48,647 You were part of an elite even if you were a worker 142 00:10:49,343 --> 00:10:50,736 or had no school, 143 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:54,218 no university study, and so on. 144 00:10:54,958 --> 00:10:57,525 Eichmann becomes an important man. 145 00:10:57,569 --> 00:11:01,704 He has an official car, he has a driver, he has secretaries, 146 00:11:01,747 --> 00:11:05,708 and he must have dreamt about all of this his entire life. 147 00:11:06,447 --> 00:11:11,017 His personal frustration was the reason for the zeal and passion 148 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:13,977 to achieve at least one big achievement. 149 00:11:14,020 --> 00:11:16,501 And this big achievement is connected 150 00:11:16,544 --> 00:11:21,375 to the persecution of European Jews. 151 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:24,030 The Nazis were obsessed with their racial theories 152 00:11:24,074 --> 00:11:26,511 about the inferiority of the Jewish people. 153 00:11:28,426 --> 00:11:31,603 The Nazis had this insane belief 154 00:11:31,646 --> 00:11:35,563 that a person's ethnic group or the national group you were part of 155 00:11:35,607 --> 00:11:38,088 or the religious group you were part of were different, 156 00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:40,046 this were the eugenics. 157 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:41,787 And he really believed 158 00:11:41,831 --> 00:11:44,964 that Jews were inherently different 159 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:48,272 from Germans. 160 00:11:48,315 --> 00:11:52,015 In late 1934, Eichmann is appointed to the new department 161 00:11:52,058 --> 00:11:55,322 responsible for Jewish affairs at the SS. 162 00:11:55,366 --> 00:11:57,455 The agency is tasked with surveillance 163 00:11:57,498 --> 00:12:00,893 and terrorizing enemies of the Nazi-German state. 164 00:12:01,851 --> 00:12:04,941 Eichmann was devising systems 165 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:07,857 for identifying Jews, 166 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:12,513 for following Jews in their activities, for monitoring, 167 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:14,515 trying to work out for the SS 168 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,389 a systematic way of tracking Jews. 169 00:12:21,044 --> 00:12:23,437 During his conversations with Sassen, 170 00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:25,265 Eichmann takes the liberty of disclosing 171 00:12:25,309 --> 00:12:27,877 one of Adolf Hitler's biggest secrets. 172 00:12:30,314 --> 00:12:32,664 [speaking German] 173 00:13:08,047 --> 00:13:10,136 NARRATOR [in English]: Eichmann not only tracks the Jews, 174 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:12,138 but is also responsible for forcing them 175 00:13:12,182 --> 00:13:15,576 to emigrate to different countries. 176 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:17,535 Looking for potential destinations, 177 00:13:17,578 --> 00:13:21,713 he visits Palestine, then under British rule, 178 00:13:21,756 --> 00:13:23,758 but is quickly detained and expelled. 179 00:13:25,108 --> 00:13:26,892 In his report about the trip, 180 00:13:26,936 --> 00:13:29,025 he describes his anti-Semitic views, 181 00:13:29,068 --> 00:13:31,244 which he also expresses to Sassen. 182 00:13:34,595 --> 00:13:38,904 [speaking German] 183 00:14:20,337 --> 00:14:23,949 [speaking Hebrew] 184 00:14:23,993 --> 00:14:27,910 [speaking German] 185 00:14:36,179 --> 00:14:39,399 LAWRENCE DOUGLAS [in English]: Eichmann characterizes himself in all sorts of ways. 186 00:14:39,443 --> 00:14:41,662 "Look, I was never anti-Semite 187 00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:45,188 and I harbor no ill will towards the Jewish people." 188 00:14:45,231 --> 00:14:47,973 The Sassen interviews 189 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,454 and the Sassen tapes gave a lie to that. 190 00:14:50,497 --> 00:14:54,371 [speaking Hebrew] 191 00:14:57,156 --> 00:15:01,944 [speaking German] 192 00:15:03,684 --> 00:15:06,557 [speaking Hebrew] 193 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,951 [speaking German] 194 00:15:23,704 --> 00:15:25,968 NARRATOR [in English]: Dr. Robert Servatius is chosen 195 00:15:26,011 --> 00:15:27,839 by the family to defend Eichmann, 196 00:15:27,882 --> 00:15:30,320 and in the interest of staging a fair trial, 197 00:15:30,363 --> 00:15:33,584 the Israeli government agrees to pay his salary. 198 00:15:33,627 --> 00:15:36,239 He is a well-known attorney in Germany after representing 199 00:15:36,282 --> 00:15:39,546 a number of Nazi war criminals at the Nuremberg Trials. 200 00:15:43,637 --> 00:15:47,380 Servatius was a respectful defense lawyer 201 00:15:47,424 --> 00:15:50,862 at the same time that he tried to defend his client 202 00:15:50,905 --> 00:15:55,823 and he tried to rely on the defense that his client himself supplied. 203 00:15:55,867 --> 00:15:59,088 Namely, that he was just a cog in the machine. 204 00:16:00,872 --> 00:16:03,744 Servatius has to defend his client 205 00:16:03,788 --> 00:16:06,704 and that can only be done if you know what to expect. 206 00:16:08,662 --> 00:16:11,317 And Eichmann, the idiot, doesn't tell his lawyer 207 00:16:11,361 --> 00:16:13,928 that in Argentina he gave an interview 208 00:16:13,972 --> 00:16:16,192 that was a thousand pages long. 209 00:16:16,235 --> 00:16:18,498 Partially, Eichmann lied without end. 210 00:16:18,542 --> 00:16:21,327 Attorney Robert Servatius has stated 211 00:16:21,371 --> 00:16:24,809 that he will withdraw from the defense of Adolf Eichmann 212 00:16:24,852 --> 00:16:27,594 if it turns out that the claims attributed to his client 213 00:16:27,638 --> 00:16:30,075 byLife Magazine are genuine. 214 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:32,251 Servatius also added that he would check 215 00:16:32,295 --> 00:16:35,341 the credibility of Eichmann's confession with his brother, 216 00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:38,692 Dr. Robert Eichmann, in Linz, Austria. 217 00:16:51,966 --> 00:16:55,579 Naturally, they all wanted their friend, husband, brother 218 00:16:55,622 --> 00:16:57,668 to be properly defended. 219 00:16:57,711 --> 00:17:01,411 And Eichmann's extended family was always ready to help. 220 00:17:01,454 --> 00:17:04,892 They stayed in touch with him and still lived in Austria. 221 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:07,634 But here, too, it's unknown who 222 00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:09,201 we are dealing with exactly. 223 00:17:12,161 --> 00:17:15,207 The Eichmann family in Austria, at least in part, 224 00:17:15,251 --> 00:17:17,557 benefited from their brother's career. 225 00:17:25,217 --> 00:17:29,439 Eichmann's father, who joined the Nazi party on the same day as his son, 226 00:17:29,482 --> 00:17:33,095 couldn't explain after the war why he owned several things 227 00:17:33,138 --> 00:17:35,706 that formerly belonged to Jewish people. 228 00:17:37,316 --> 00:17:41,494 And in this respect, the family was clearly a part of the inner circle. 229 00:17:46,412 --> 00:17:49,241 Despite his misgivings, Servatius is persuaded 230 00:17:49,285 --> 00:17:51,939 by the Eichmann family to continue defending him 231 00:17:51,983 --> 00:17:55,160 and in exchange, they agreed to cover his many expenses. 232 00:17:57,641 --> 00:17:59,817 The family also passes encoded messages 233 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:02,124 through Servatius to Eichmann in Israel. 234 00:18:12,177 --> 00:18:15,833 [Servatius speaking German on phone] 235 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:21,404 NARRATOR [in English]: Eichmann's personal conferences with his lawyer 236 00:18:21,447 --> 00:18:24,015 lead to a secret meeting of Israeli cabinet members. 237 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:28,019 The government session focuses on 238 00:18:28,062 --> 00:18:30,891 whether or not to allow a meeting in private 239 00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:32,719 between Servatius and Eichmann. 240 00:18:36,941 --> 00:18:39,813 At the meeting, it is decided that Eichmann and Servatius 241 00:18:39,857 --> 00:18:42,990 should no longer be allowed to meet in private. 242 00:18:43,034 --> 00:18:46,080 But, Isser Harel, Head of the Israeli Secret Service, 243 00:18:46,124 --> 00:18:50,346 informs everyone that, in fact, the meetings are being secretly recorded 244 00:18:50,389 --> 00:18:55,133 and confirms that Servatius is passing encrypted messages to his client. 245 00:18:57,179 --> 00:18:58,789 [Eichmann speaking German on phone] 246 00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:34,041 [Servatius speaking on phone] 247 00:19:45,357 --> 00:19:48,969 [Eichmann speaking on phone] 248 00:20:06,465 --> 00:20:09,294 GADI WARSHA [in English]: Isser just says, "We listened in on them 249 00:20:09,338 --> 00:20:11,557 and they don't know it," and moves on. 250 00:20:12,645 --> 00:20:14,734 [Servatius speaking German on phone] 251 00:20:24,527 --> 00:20:27,225 NARRATOR [in English]: Hausner himself reassures Servatius 252 00:20:27,269 --> 00:20:31,577 that his attorney-client meetings are not being listened to. 253 00:20:31,621 --> 00:20:34,276 He knows the illegal wiretapping might allow him 254 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:38,062 to obtain vital information about Sassen's recordings. 255 00:20:44,416 --> 00:20:47,898 [Isser speaking Hebrew on recording] 256 00:21:09,528 --> 00:21:11,443 BETTINA STANGNETH [in English]: The "oak tree" we are talking about 257 00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:14,228 is of great significance to Germans. 258 00:21:14,272 --> 00:21:17,014 When one says that an oak tree won't fall, 259 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,496 it always means that the person shall stand straight, 260 00:21:20,539 --> 00:21:22,889 that he will overcome what he faces, 261 00:21:24,935 --> 00:21:26,980 that everything will be resolved. 262 00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:33,378 With this code, Sassen was saying to Eichmann, 263 00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:35,902 "Don't worry, I hid the tapes." 264 00:21:44,781 --> 00:21:47,261 With Hausner unable to locate the Sassen tapes, 265 00:21:47,305 --> 00:21:49,829 the court's ultimate decision on whether or not to admit 266 00:21:49,873 --> 00:21:51,875 the Life Magazine article into evidence 267 00:21:51,918 --> 00:21:54,443 will be crucial to him proving Eichmann's guilt. 268 00:21:55,748 --> 00:22:00,274 [speaking Hebrew] 269 00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:25,735 HANNA YABLONKA [in English]: Eichmann is right, of course. 270 00:22:25,778 --> 00:22:28,085 He claimed that what a journalist does 271 00:22:28,128 --> 00:22:29,956 with his freedom of speech 272 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,393 does not apply to him. 273 00:22:31,958 --> 00:22:33,960 There was no way that Hausner 274 00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:35,962 could actually verify 275 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:39,531 the truthfulness of the Life Magazine article 276 00:22:39,575 --> 00:22:42,229 and the court is trying to demonstrate that look, 277 00:22:42,273 --> 00:22:44,493 we are a court of law. 278 00:22:44,536 --> 00:22:47,496 Even though it looks like highly probative evidence, 279 00:22:47,539 --> 00:22:51,717 we don't really have the resources to authenticate it 280 00:22:51,761 --> 00:22:54,981 and so unfortunately we can't accept it in as evidence. 281 00:22:55,025 --> 00:22:59,508 [speaking Hebrew] 282 00:23:22,705 --> 00:23:24,707 LAWRENCE DOUGLAS [in English]: Sassen was not about 283 00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:26,839 to cooperate with the Israelis. 284 00:23:26,883 --> 00:23:29,712 The contract that he signed with Life Magazine 285 00:23:29,755 --> 00:23:33,542 permitted Lifeto supply some of the materials 286 00:23:33,585 --> 00:23:36,545 to some other media organizations, 287 00:23:36,588 --> 00:23:40,374 but specifically barred Life Magazine 288 00:23:40,418 --> 00:23:43,726 from sharing anything with the Israelis. 289 00:23:43,769 --> 00:23:48,557 So it raises the question of how do you get hold of this material? 290 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,431 [speaking Hebrew] 291 00:24:13,277 --> 00:24:15,540 TIMOTHY NAFTALI [in English]: This is a document showing 292 00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:18,717 that the assistant editor of Life Magazine 293 00:24:18,761 --> 00:24:22,286 gave the CIA an advanced copy of the text 294 00:24:22,329 --> 00:24:24,157 of their article on Eichmann. 295 00:24:26,333 --> 00:24:28,422 What interests Americans 296 00:24:28,466 --> 00:24:31,643 is the propaganda value 297 00:24:31,687 --> 00:24:34,864 of what Eichmann is saying in Life Magazine. 298 00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:38,128 They were worried about how the East Germans 299 00:24:38,171 --> 00:24:42,001 and the Soviets would use this. 300 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:44,090 With the battle lines of the Cold War 301 00:24:44,134 --> 00:24:46,353 literally running through the middle of Germany, 302 00:24:47,964 --> 00:24:50,009 many worried about what sensitive material 303 00:24:50,053 --> 00:24:52,055 the Eichmann recordings contained. 304 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,929 This was not just about history. 305 00:24:56,973 --> 00:25:01,020 It wasn't just about memory. It wasn't just about justice. 306 00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:03,980 It was also about politics 307 00:25:04,023 --> 00:25:07,592 and foreign policy and security matters, 308 00:25:07,636 --> 00:25:11,291 and it was also about the climax of the Cold War. 309 00:25:17,341 --> 00:25:21,084 To get a sense of where the Cold War was 310 00:25:21,127 --> 00:25:23,739 at the moment of the trial, 311 00:25:23,782 --> 00:25:28,221 keep in mind that the Berlin Wall goes up 312 00:25:29,309 --> 00:25:31,573 while Eichmann is on trial. 313 00:25:31,616 --> 00:25:33,575 [speaking German] 314 00:25:43,715 --> 00:25:46,544 TIMOTHY NAFTALI [in English]: There were two Germanys warring 315 00:25:46,588 --> 00:25:49,982 for the right to be Germany, 316 00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:53,029 but also for the right to be the Germany 317 00:25:53,072 --> 00:25:55,597 that came after Hitler. 318 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,556 Germans were very concerned 319 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,778 that this trial was going to be a source of all sorts of embarrassment, 320 00:26:02,821 --> 00:26:06,172 demonstrating that there are a lot of Nazis 321 00:26:06,216 --> 00:26:10,437 who remained in positions of high power within Germany itself. 322 00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:15,704 REPORTER [speaking German] 323 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:25,539 TIMOTHY NAFTALI [in English]: The East Germans saw this 324 00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:28,630 as an opportunity to remind the world 325 00:26:28,673 --> 00:26:31,241 that, yeah, there's only one Eichmann, 326 00:26:31,284 --> 00:26:36,202 but that doesn't mean there's only one bad Nazi left 327 00:26:36,246 --> 00:26:37,900 who deserves justice. 328 00:26:37,943 --> 00:26:41,512 And some of them worked for Konrad Adenauer. 329 00:26:41,555 --> 00:26:44,428 Konrad Adenauer is the first Chancellor of West Germany 330 00:26:44,471 --> 00:26:48,693 after World War II, and is charged with leading his country 331 00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:51,565 from the post-war chaos into the modern era. 332 00:26:53,829 --> 00:26:55,787 The person with perhaps the most to lose 333 00:26:55,831 --> 00:26:58,050 if the tapes are heard during Eichmann's trial 334 00:26:58,094 --> 00:27:00,923 is Adenauer's right-hand man, Hans Globke, 335 00:27:00,966 --> 00:27:03,316 who oversaw the plan for the enforcement 336 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,755 of the Nuremberg Race Laws later carried out by Eichmann. 337 00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:16,373 Hans Globke is one of the most powerful men in West Germany. 338 00:27:16,416 --> 00:27:18,941 He is the closest advisor to Adenauer. 339 00:27:18,984 --> 00:27:22,727 Now we know that as a lawyer, 340 00:27:22,771 --> 00:27:25,382 a bureaucrat in the Nazi system, 341 00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:28,951 he helped draft the Nuremberg Laws, 342 00:27:29,516 --> 00:27:33,390 which established the "legal basis" 343 00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:38,395 for discrimination against German Jews. 344 00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:43,705 Why would Adenauer employ someone like Globke? 345 00:27:43,748 --> 00:27:46,533 It was an open offer to all German people: 346 00:27:46,577 --> 00:27:50,450 We integrate all of you, even with a Nazi past. 347 00:27:50,494 --> 00:27:52,191 We're not going to lock you all up. 348 00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:55,717 You may continue working within our establishment. 349 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,023 Since Israel is trying Eichmann, 350 00:27:58,067 --> 00:28:00,678 one cannot overlook the Nuremberg Laws, 351 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,637 because it's obvious that Eichmann will say, 352 00:28:03,681 --> 00:28:05,161 "What do you want from me? 353 00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:07,859 I applied the laws of the Third Reich." 354 00:28:09,992 --> 00:28:12,734 And who made these laws? Hans Globke. 355 00:28:16,476 --> 00:28:19,131 This was a major problem for Adenauer. 356 00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:24,093 And just as East Germany went into overdrive 357 00:28:24,136 --> 00:28:26,356 to start pumping out propaganda, 358 00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:31,317 West Germany was worried about what Eichmann might say. 359 00:28:34,059 --> 00:28:37,671 The BND was very key 360 00:28:37,715 --> 00:28:41,632 in trying to make sure that they had an ear on 361 00:28:41,675 --> 00:28:44,156 what was going on in Israel, 362 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:50,162 tried to manipulate things a little under the table. 363 00:28:50,206 --> 00:28:52,469 Eichmann's connections to not only Globke, 364 00:28:52,512 --> 00:28:54,732 but other former Nazi officials who were integrated 365 00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:58,170 into the new West German government could be exposed 366 00:28:58,214 --> 00:29:00,782 if Sassen's recordings are played in court. 367 00:29:04,002 --> 00:29:07,745 Hausner knows that this is against the interest of the West German government 368 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:10,704 and therefore against the interest of his own government as well. 369 00:29:13,446 --> 00:29:15,448 Hausner is aware that Ben-Gurion, 370 00:29:15,492 --> 00:29:18,364 against strong opposition from within the country, 371 00:29:18,408 --> 00:29:21,628 and despite protests and riots led by Holocaust survivors, 372 00:29:21,672 --> 00:29:24,762 is negotiating with West Germany to support Israel. 373 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:28,070 Three months before the trial took place, 374 00:29:28,113 --> 00:29:30,463 Ben-Gurion met Adenauer in New York. 375 00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:34,424 He had a clear interest for the sake of Israel 376 00:29:34,467 --> 00:29:37,383 to establish relations with Germany. 377 00:29:39,124 --> 00:29:41,910 It was an encounter of vested interests - 378 00:29:41,953 --> 00:29:44,216 Israel desperately needed support 379 00:29:45,739 --> 00:29:50,005 and West Germany was in desperate need of rehabilitation. 380 00:29:50,048 --> 00:29:53,399 For someone to say that West Germany is different, 381 00:29:53,443 --> 00:29:55,662 that it is not Nazi Germany. 382 00:29:57,577 --> 00:29:59,710 I said, in the Knesset, 383 00:29:59,753 --> 00:30:03,540 in the Israeli parliament, last summer, 384 00:30:03,583 --> 00:30:07,849 that Germany of today is not the Germany of yesterday. 385 00:30:07,892 --> 00:30:11,548 The story of the Eichmann affair from the Israeli perspective 386 00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:15,857 is a nostalgic, heroic, a very romantic story, 387 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:20,513 how David demanded justice from the already defeated Goliath. 388 00:30:20,557 --> 00:30:23,125 But this is nothing but a shadow boxing, 389 00:30:23,168 --> 00:30:26,345 a smoke screen that conceals the true story. 390 00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:30,393 And the true story is the Israeli-German nuclear project. 391 00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:36,268 Once a decision is made that Israel will launch a nuclear project, 392 00:30:36,312 --> 00:30:37,922 there are things that have to be done. 393 00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:40,272 It demands a certain technology, 394 00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,013 certain materials, 395 00:30:42,057 --> 00:30:43,362 and first and foremost, 396 00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:45,930 a lot, a lot of money. 397 00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:50,456 Money that the newly established State of Israel doesn't have. 398 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,676 Very quickly, David Ben-Gurion 399 00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:55,287 and Shimon Peres, his political partner, 400 00:30:55,331 --> 00:30:58,987 realize that the way to continue with the nuclear project 401 00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:02,338 is by partnering with De Gaulle's France 402 00:31:02,381 --> 00:31:03,992 and Adenauer's Germany. 403 00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:07,952 Adenauer and Strauss, his defense minister, 404 00:31:07,996 --> 00:31:10,955 put a gun on the table, so to say. 405 00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:14,698 You want us to continue funding the nuclear project? 406 00:31:15,177 --> 00:31:19,224 So do not mention the name Hans Globke at the trial. 407 00:31:20,095 --> 00:31:22,097 And that certainly was communicated 408 00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:26,318 from Ben-Gurion to Gideon Hausner. 409 00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:28,320 I don't think we should be entirely surprised 410 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:31,280 that there was some kind of, what we might say, 411 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:35,153 cross-fertilization between Ben-Gurion 412 00:31:35,197 --> 00:31:38,374 and the Attorney General of Israel. 413 00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:41,986 Ben-Gurion tried to prevent the prosecutor 414 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:44,293 from submitting a document at trial 415 00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:47,035 that shows that Globke took part 416 00:31:47,078 --> 00:31:49,211 in a meeting with Eichmann's representative 417 00:31:50,516 --> 00:31:53,345 where they're talking about seizing property. 418 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:56,435 This is a very important document. 419 00:31:56,479 --> 00:32:00,526 Hausner comes to Ben-Gurion and says, "I have this document." 420 00:32:01,788 --> 00:32:05,227 Ben-Gurion says, "Perhaps don't make it public." 421 00:32:06,184 --> 00:32:09,013 And Hausner says, "I can't not make it public." 422 00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:11,189 And Ben-Gurion has no choice. 423 00:32:11,842 --> 00:32:14,323 Then they even decide to notify Adena32765

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