All language subtitles for Law.And.Order.S22E13.WEBRip.x264

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranรฎ)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal)
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,618 --> 00:00:11,402 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:11,446 --> 00:00:12,751 the people are represented 3 00:00:12,795 --> 00:00:15,232 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:15,276 --> 00:00:17,060 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:17,104 --> 00:00:19,845 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:19,889 --> 00:00:21,760 These are their stories. 7 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:24,720 - Thanks, Professor. 8 00:00:24,763 --> 00:00:27,070 I'll let my team know the good news 9 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:30,682 and we'll have a business plan ready for you by next week. 10 00:00:30,726 --> 00:00:32,031 Talk soon. 11 00:00:55,229 --> 00:00:57,753 - DOA's a Hudson grad student named Emily Wade. 12 00:00:57,796 --> 00:01:00,582 27, two in the chest. - Witnesses? 13 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:02,671 - Just the classmate who found her. 14 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:04,649 Didn't see anything, but she was pretty shaken up. 15 00:01:04,673 --> 00:01:06,240 Said she was the most intelligent 16 00:01:06,283 --> 00:01:08,285 and driven woman she'd ever met. 17 00:01:08,329 --> 00:01:10,070 - Where is this classmate now? 18 00:01:10,113 --> 00:01:12,202 - EMTs are treating her for shock. 19 00:01:12,246 --> 00:01:13,420 - Evidence of a break-in? 20 00:01:13,464 --> 00:01:15,988 - No, looks like it all went down outside. 21 00:01:16,032 --> 00:01:17,599 - Cameras? - Afraid not. 22 00:01:17,642 --> 00:01:20,384 Off-campus housing. Security's pretty lax. 23 00:01:20,428 --> 00:01:22,232 - All right, let's see what footage we can find 24 00:01:22,256 --> 00:01:24,432 from businesses and traffic cams, huh? 25 00:01:24,475 --> 00:01:27,348 - I'd ballpark time of death as 9:30. 26 00:01:27,390 --> 00:01:28,652 - Any indication of assault? 27 00:01:28,697 --> 00:01:30,525 - No. But some blood splatter. 28 00:01:30,568 --> 00:01:31,888 Means the shooter was point blank. 29 00:01:31,917 --> 00:01:33,049 - I'll check inside. 30 00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:34,113 - Probably got hit with some droplets. 31 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:35,530 - Yup. 32 00:01:39,011 --> 00:01:41,491 "Thinking of you." 33 00:01:41,536 --> 00:01:43,364 Doesn't say who it's from or where it's from. 34 00:01:43,407 --> 00:01:46,454 Can you bag that? Thanks. 35 00:01:46,497 --> 00:01:48,630 You already check this? 36 00:01:50,021 --> 00:01:52,547 Cell phone still here. 37 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:55,463 Wallet, credit cards, money. 38 00:01:55,506 --> 00:01:57,465 - Doesn't look like anyone tossed the place. 39 00:01:57,508 --> 00:01:59,728 There's jewelry still along the nightstand. 40 00:01:59,771 --> 00:02:01,730 - So it's not a robbery, not an assault. 41 00:02:01,773 --> 00:02:02,861 Double tap to the chest. 42 00:02:02,905 --> 00:02:04,187 Starting to feel like an execution. 43 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,343 The question is why. - Sad. 44 00:02:06,387 --> 00:02:08,780 Seems like she was going places too. 45 00:02:08,824 --> 00:02:10,651 - Too bad she'll never get there now. 46 00:03:01,311 --> 00:03:03,618 - I was dropping off a statistics outline 47 00:03:03,661 --> 00:03:06,316 Em had loaned me. Saw this van speeding off. 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,752 - What'd the van look like? 49 00:03:07,796 --> 00:03:10,538 - Uh, blue. Green stripe down the side. 50 00:03:10,581 --> 00:03:13,018 - You get a look at the plates or the driver? 51 00:03:13,062 --> 00:03:14,629 - Sorry. No. 52 00:03:14,672 --> 00:03:17,066 - How well did you know the victim? 53 00:03:17,109 --> 00:03:18,720 - We were study partners. 54 00:03:18,763 --> 00:03:22,245 - Can you think of anybody she had a problem with? 55 00:03:23,638 --> 00:03:25,248 - Yeah. 56 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:26,771 We'd get drinks at this place 57 00:03:26,815 --> 00:03:29,252 in Dumbo on Wednesdays called Ewing's. 58 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:31,036 She didn't want to go last week. 59 00:03:31,079 --> 00:03:34,126 Said she was fighting with one of the bartenders. 60 00:03:34,170 --> 00:03:35,278 - You know what the issue was about? 61 00:03:35,302 --> 00:03:36,912 - No. 62 00:03:36,954 --> 00:03:40,437 But he apparently followed her to the library the other day. 63 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:48,880 - Sorry, guys, not open till five. 64 00:03:48,924 --> 00:03:51,055 - Nathan Brae. 65 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:52,319 - Who's asking? 66 00:03:52,362 --> 00:03:53,470 - We're New York City detectives. 67 00:03:53,494 --> 00:03:55,060 We need a word. 68 00:04:10,772 --> 00:04:12,271 Give me your hands. Give me your hands. 69 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:14,210 - I didn't do anything wrong. 70 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:19,365 - I only ran because I had coke on me. 71 00:04:19,389 --> 00:04:20,669 I didn't want to get in trouble. 72 00:04:20,695 --> 00:04:22,784 - Good instincts, so unless you start talking, 73 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:24,568 we're gonna charge you with possession. 74 00:04:24,612 --> 00:04:27,397 - What's your beef with Emily Wade? 75 00:04:27,441 --> 00:04:29,356 - I was dating her friend, Alli. 76 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:30,748 It was going good, too, 77 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,794 until she dumped me out of the blue last week. 78 00:04:32,837 --> 00:04:35,013 Turns out Emily's been dissing me all over the place. 79 00:04:35,057 --> 00:04:36,774 I was pissed. - Is that why you followed her 80 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:39,409 to the library? - Yeah. 81 00:04:39,453 --> 00:04:40,952 I told her to stay the hell out of my life 82 00:04:40,976 --> 00:04:42,717 and then some muscle-head gets in between us 83 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,327 and tells me to back off, so I did. 84 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:46,523 - And you didn't go back to her place later that evening, 85 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:48,070 try to finish the conversation? - No. 86 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:49,898 There's no point, you know? 87 00:04:49,941 --> 00:04:51,595 - So where were you? - What do you mean? 88 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:54,424 Why do you care? - Because Emily Wade is dead. 89 00:04:56,339 --> 00:04:59,821 Nathan Brae's alibi checks out. Nothing on canvass either. 90 00:04:59,864 --> 00:05:01,649 - Any next of kin we can talk to? 91 00:05:01,692 --> 00:05:02,867 - Nobody even to notify. 92 00:05:02,911 --> 00:05:04,478 Her parents died when she was five. 93 00:05:04,521 --> 00:05:05,783 She was raised in foster care. 94 00:05:05,827 --> 00:05:08,220 - So what about this mysterious blue van? 95 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:09,961 Snake eyes. 96 00:05:10,005 --> 00:05:12,355 - Got something here, Lieutenant. 97 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,966 This is last Wednesday afternoon 98 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:17,795 outside Drummond Library. 99 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,363 - There's our boy, giving her the what for. 100 00:05:20,407 --> 00:05:23,714 - The argument doesn't get very far. 101 00:05:23,758 --> 00:05:25,934 - Huh, looks like our Good Samaritan's 102 00:05:25,977 --> 00:05:27,762 no random bystander. 103 00:05:27,805 --> 00:05:29,546 - Any chance we can get an ID? 104 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:31,461 - I already sent the image to FIS. 105 00:05:31,505 --> 00:05:33,681 This is what they just sent back. 106 00:05:33,724 --> 00:05:36,379 Bobby Gorman, 28, ex-Marine. 107 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:39,513 - Any recent contact with Emily? 108 00:05:39,556 --> 00:05:42,167 - Lot of romantic back and forth. 109 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:43,517 Whoa. 110 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,476 Punctuated by a nasty DM he sent early yesterday 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,349 accusing her of cheating on him. 112 00:05:49,392 --> 00:05:52,308 "I'm so angry, I could kill you." 113 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:55,355 - We got an address on this charmer? 114 00:05:55,398 --> 00:05:57,661 - Sheepshead Bay. - All right, guys. 115 00:05:57,705 --> 00:06:00,360 Dust off your E-ZPass. You're going to Brooklyn. 116 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:10,457 - I found out about Emily on Citizen. 117 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:12,372 I can't believe she's gone. 118 00:06:12,415 --> 00:06:14,199 - Were you two together? 119 00:06:14,243 --> 00:06:15,679 - For a few months. 120 00:06:15,723 --> 00:06:19,161 - How was it going? - Ups and downs. 121 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:21,468 But I saw a future there. 122 00:06:21,511 --> 00:06:23,818 - Let's talk about those downs then, huh? 123 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:27,343 Like you threatening to kill her. 124 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,432 - What? You think I did this? 125 00:06:29,476 --> 00:06:30,670 - We think you need to explain why 126 00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:34,176 you were sending her threatening texts. 127 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:35,830 - I felt terrible about that. 128 00:06:35,873 --> 00:06:38,267 I was just venting. - About what? 129 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:40,487 - All she did was study. 130 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:42,183 Barely had any time for me. 131 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:44,186 So I showed up at her place on Thursday 132 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:46,449 to surprise her with Knicks tickets, 133 00:06:46,493 --> 00:06:49,844 but she was on her way out, all dressed up. 134 00:06:49,887 --> 00:06:53,543 She claimed she had a family issue to deal with. 135 00:06:53,587 --> 00:06:55,850 - You go by her place last night for any reason? 136 00:06:55,893 --> 00:06:58,461 - No. 137 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:02,160 Look, I didn't kill her. 138 00:07:02,204 --> 00:07:04,902 I loved her. 139 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:11,256 - Key card to Gorman's loft confirms his alibi. 140 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,041 - So where are we with 141 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:16,261 the unspecified family issues that he alluded to? 142 00:07:16,305 --> 00:07:18,220 - Still looking for the family. 143 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:21,397 - All right, so let's work back from the time of the murder. 144 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,747 What was Emily doing that day? Where was she? 145 00:07:23,791 --> 00:07:25,619 Who was she with? - Already on it. 146 00:07:25,662 --> 00:07:27,229 I pulled Emily's financials. 147 00:07:27,272 --> 00:07:31,233 Found an Uber charge the day of the murder at 4:14 p.m. 148 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:33,365 - Hmm. - Where'd she go? 149 00:07:37,848 --> 00:07:41,417 - Yes, I met with the poor soul 150 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:43,593 day before yesterday. - About what? 151 00:07:43,637 --> 00:07:46,291 - Her foster brother, Lonnie, is a member here. 152 00:07:46,335 --> 00:07:48,511 She was worried about him. 153 00:07:48,555 --> 00:07:51,209 - What was she worried about, Pastor Butler? 154 00:07:51,253 --> 00:07:54,909 - Uh, it's Pastor Mike, and no offense, Detectives, 155 00:07:54,952 --> 00:07:58,608 but I take my parishioners' privacy very seriously. 156 00:07:58,652 --> 00:08:01,742 - We understand, but Emily was murdered shortly after 157 00:08:01,785 --> 00:08:04,048 she left here, so you have to understand 158 00:08:04,092 --> 00:08:08,357 that we need to know why she was so concerned about him. 159 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,794 - Yes. 160 00:08:10,838 --> 00:08:13,101 He'd been asking her for money. 161 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:15,451 She was worried about the direction his life was taking. 162 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:17,758 - What direction are we talking about? 163 00:08:17,801 --> 00:08:20,761 - She asked that I motivate him to find a job. 164 00:08:20,804 --> 00:08:24,329 I told her I would do my best and she left. 165 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:26,854 Excuse me for a second. Reverend Sherman. 166 00:08:28,899 --> 00:08:31,336 Liturgy looks perfect, Henry. Thank you. 167 00:08:33,687 --> 00:08:35,471 Lord's work is never done. 168 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:36,864 - Speaking of the Lord's work... 169 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:38,581 It's been a minute since I was an altar boy, 170 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:42,609 but why would Emily think career advice 171 00:08:42,652 --> 00:08:44,872 is something that's in your portfolio? 172 00:08:44,915 --> 00:08:49,180 - The success of our flock glorifies God, 173 00:08:49,224 --> 00:08:51,922 so part of our work is to guide them to milk and honey. 174 00:08:51,966 --> 00:08:55,012 As Jesus said, "I came that they may have life 175 00:08:55,056 --> 00:08:56,753 and have it abundantly." 176 00:08:56,797 --> 00:08:58,625 - And that's your thing? Abundance? 177 00:08:58,668 --> 00:09:02,803 - Yes. My congregation is very generous. 178 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,761 - Thank you for your time. - Thank you. 179 00:09:04,805 --> 00:09:07,459 - We'll let you know if there's any follow-up. 180 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:13,814 - Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. - Tell me how you really feel. 181 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:16,294 - Don't tell me you didn't see that fancy, schmancy suit 182 00:09:16,338 --> 00:09:17,687 and $10,000 watch. 183 00:09:17,731 --> 00:09:19,994 He's bleeding that congregation dry. 184 00:09:20,037 --> 00:09:21,667 - It's a little more complicated than that. 185 00:09:21,691 --> 00:09:24,302 A guy like that... He takes, but he also gives. 186 00:09:24,346 --> 00:09:26,348 - How so? 187 00:09:26,391 --> 00:09:28,611 - Some of these folks are having trouble finding a job, 188 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:30,961 paying rent, even harder time staying positive. 189 00:09:31,005 --> 00:09:32,485 - No different from any church I know. 190 00:09:32,528 --> 00:09:33,703 - Yeah, but Pastor Mike 191 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:35,400 fills a void for people who feel hopeless. 192 00:09:35,444 --> 00:09:37,968 He's modeling success 193 00:09:38,012 --> 00:09:39,946 so that his congregation has something to aspire to. 194 00:09:39,970 --> 00:09:42,538 - Not my idea of religion. - Not mine either. 195 00:09:42,582 --> 00:09:45,236 But religion is whatever works for you, right? 196 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,848 So some people think it's the body of Christ 197 00:09:47,891 --> 00:09:49,197 being represented by a wafer. 198 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,678 Some people think it's ponying up so the pastor 199 00:09:51,721 --> 00:09:53,680 can wear a Rolex. - I am not buying it. 200 00:09:53,723 --> 00:09:57,031 - He's not selling it to you. 201 00:09:57,074 --> 00:09:58,554 Prosperity means something different 202 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:01,470 when you grow up poor and Black, Frank. 203 00:10:01,513 --> 00:10:03,559 - Fair enough. 204 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:05,145 - Let's check with Emily's foster brother. 205 00:10:05,169 --> 00:10:06,780 See what he knows. 206 00:10:06,823 --> 00:10:09,783 - Emily and I spent five years in this group home in Canarsie. 207 00:10:09,826 --> 00:10:12,568 The only thing we got out of that place was each other. 208 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,485 She was my big sis. 209 00:10:16,528 --> 00:10:18,835 - Sorry for your loss, Lonnie. - Yeah. 210 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:20,402 - We're trying to piece together 211 00:10:20,445 --> 00:10:22,056 Emily's movements two days ago. 212 00:10:22,099 --> 00:10:23,927 When was the last time you saw her? 213 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:29,498 - I went by her place about lunch. 214 00:10:29,541 --> 00:10:32,153 - Now, would you say that was a social call or something else? 215 00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:36,157 - I needed her to float me rent. 216 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,680 - Oh, you were having money problems? 217 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:41,249 - I got laid off a month ago. 218 00:10:41,292 --> 00:10:42,946 Savings are a little light. 219 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:46,950 - I mean, I couldn't imagine how that conversation might go 220 00:10:46,994 --> 00:10:50,562 between me and my sister if I was asking her to pay my rent. 221 00:10:50,606 --> 00:10:53,435 You guys didn't fight or argue, did you? 222 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:56,699 - No, she was happy to do it. 223 00:10:56,743 --> 00:10:59,615 She even had the money wired to my landlord. 224 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:00,979 - How much money we talking about? 225 00:11:01,008 --> 00:11:02,662 - Two grand. 226 00:11:04,098 --> 00:11:06,709 - Yeah, well, the brother's story checks out. 227 00:11:06,753 --> 00:11:08,798 - Then let's follow the money trail. 228 00:11:08,842 --> 00:11:11,801 - Communication just finished the work up on her device. 229 00:11:11,845 --> 00:11:14,717 GPS puts her at the corner of 11th and Avenue C 230 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:17,067 right after eight on the night of the murder. 231 00:11:17,111 --> 00:11:19,287 The address is a match for a pawn shop 232 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:20,854 called Sid's Jewelry and Loans. 233 00:11:20,897 --> 00:11:23,117 - There ought to be security cams on that street, right? 234 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,509 - Searching now. 235 00:11:24,553 --> 00:11:26,947 Pawn shop's got them on front and back. 236 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:28,644 This is at 8:20. 237 00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:30,124 - That looks like Emily. 238 00:11:30,167 --> 00:11:32,648 - Hey, can you get in tighter on that guy? 239 00:11:32,692 --> 00:11:35,129 - Yes, but you never see his face. 240 00:11:35,172 --> 00:11:38,219 - All right, well, fast forward on the tape. 241 00:11:38,262 --> 00:11:40,961 - This is 8:32. - She hawks something, 242 00:11:41,004 --> 00:11:43,137 and then an hour later, she's dead. 243 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:45,748 - GPS confirms her next stop was home. 244 00:11:48,011 --> 00:11:50,361 - Freeze that. 245 00:11:50,405 --> 00:11:53,843 - Yeah, blue van, green pinstripe. 246 00:11:53,887 --> 00:11:55,932 - Got a shot of the driver too. 247 00:11:55,976 --> 00:11:58,630 Can't make out details, but it looks like a Black male 248 00:11:58,674 --> 00:12:02,069 wearing the same New York logo hat as the guy on the street. 249 00:12:02,112 --> 00:12:04,375 - Could fit the bill of the van leaving the murder scene. 250 00:12:04,419 --> 00:12:05,812 Can you pull up the registration? 251 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:08,553 - Plate comes back to Ruben Grandy, 252 00:12:08,597 --> 00:12:10,164 Astoria. 253 00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:11,643 He's got priors for armed robbery. 254 00:12:11,687 --> 00:12:13,254 - All right, bring him in. 255 00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:24,178 - Police! Show me your hands. 256 00:12:24,221 --> 00:12:25,657 Show me your hands. - Don't move! 257 00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:27,355 - Take it easy, fellas. 258 00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,879 - Who else is here? - Nobody, I swear to God. 259 00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:31,402 - All rooms clear. - Clear. 260 00:12:31,446 --> 00:12:33,709 - Let's go. - All right, keep your hands up 261 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,624 and stand up for me. Let's go. 262 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:36,819 - All right, but I'ma need my crutches. 263 00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:38,627 I got a broken leg. 264 00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:51,292 - I told you, I was playing poker here with some friends. 265 00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:54,121 - Where's your van? - Gave it away a few weeks ago. 266 00:12:54,164 --> 00:12:56,558 - To who? - My church. First Harmony. 267 00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:58,821 Cast won't come off till summer, so I can't drive. 268 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:00,780 I was happy to send it their way too. 269 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,391 - And why's that? - Guy that runs the church, 270 00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:06,829 Pastor Mike, he's a good man. 271 00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:09,310 Found me a job when I got out of Sing Sing. 272 00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:11,834 - So Pastor Mike is the one driving the van now. 273 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,532 - No, he gave it to the vice pastor, 274 00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:16,839 Reverend Sherman. 275 00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:19,755 - Yes, I was driving Ruben's van. 276 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,583 My car is in the shop. 277 00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:23,126 - Where'd you go after you left the church? 278 00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:24,804 - Home. 279 00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,415 - You have any interaction with Emily Wade couple nights ago? 280 00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:29,678 - Who? - Emily Wade. 281 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:31,898 Her brother's Lonnie Ballard. He's a congregant. 282 00:13:31,941 --> 00:13:34,683 - Mm. 283 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,032 Before I say anything else, 284 00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:37,773 I need to know why you're asking that. 285 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,427 - That van was used in the commission 286 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:41,821 of the murder of Emily Wade. 287 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,257 - You accusing me of something? 288 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,191 - You stop by a pawn shop that night around 8:30, 289 00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:48,915 maybe one on 11th and Avenue C? - No. 290 00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,655 - So you're saying you went straight home 291 00:13:50,699 --> 00:13:52,024 from First Harmony and you never left. 292 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,877 Is that right, Henry? - It's Reverend Sherman. 293 00:13:54,921 --> 00:13:56,966 You'd do well to remember who you're talking to. 294 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,712 - We know exactly who we're talking to. 295 00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:05,714 An ex-con with a rap sheet as long as my arm 296 00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:07,890 and a seven-year stint in Fishkill. 297 00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:09,955 And now, all of a sudden, you're a man of the cloth? 298 00:14:09,979 --> 00:14:12,025 - Meaning what? - Meaning you're no bishop, 299 00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:14,307 so you need to account for your whereabouts two nights ago. 300 00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:17,595 - The only one I need to account to is God. 301 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,641 And I won't stand here and be insulted... 302 00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:21,295 - Hey. - For devoting my life 303 00:14:21,338 --> 00:14:22,818 to the almighty. - Calm down. 304 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:24,665 - You can see yourselves out. - You're on parole. 305 00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:26,129 You're not going anywhere. 306 00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:28,302 - Hey, hey. Wait. - Yo, take your hands off of me. 307 00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:30,304 Hey, Henry. 308 00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:32,349 - We got a church too. 309 00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:34,699 And putting hands on my partner, 310 00:14:34,743 --> 00:14:36,788 that's a sin. 311 00:14:38,312 --> 00:14:40,662 Let's try this again. - I already told you. 312 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:42,969 I was at the church until six then I went home. 313 00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:44,927 - How do you explain the fact that you were seen 314 00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:46,973 in that van driving away from the church? 315 00:14:47,016 --> 00:14:49,889 That same van was spotted a few hours later 316 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,716 fleeing the scene of Emily's shooting. 317 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,085 - Someone else had to be driving it. 318 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:54,937 - Somebody else is driving your van? 319 00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:57,679 - Yeah, I left the keys on the front tire when I parked it. 320 00:14:57,722 --> 00:14:59,202 - And why would you do that? 321 00:14:59,246 --> 00:15:01,354 - So parishioners in need of transportation can use it. 322 00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,294 - You got callers for possession and burglary. 323 00:15:04,338 --> 00:15:07,515 Maybe you're using again. Maybe you're hard up for cash 324 00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:09,212 and you saw Emily as an easy target. 325 00:15:09,256 --> 00:15:10,668 - You're wrong. - I don't think I am. 326 00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:13,956 I'm searching your van. 327 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,045 - You okay with all this? - With what? 328 00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:17,351 - End of the day, 329 00:15:17,394 --> 00:15:20,745 you got to decide whose side you're really on. 330 00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:22,834 - I've already decided, brother. 331 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:25,533 I'm on God's side. 332 00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:28,057 Turns out, he doesn't like murder. 333 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,844 - There's a baseball cap with a New York logo on it 334 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:35,717 and there's blood on the armrest. 335 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,675 Blood. 336 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:39,721 You want to explain that? - I'm not talking. 337 00:15:39,764 --> 00:15:41,133 - Well, maybe you'll talk to a jury. 338 00:15:41,157 --> 00:15:43,116 You're under arrest for the murder of Emily Wade. 339 00:15:46,771 --> 00:15:49,296 - Calling docket ending in 2129. 340 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:50,906 People versus Henry Sherman 341 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,387 charged with murder in the second degree. 342 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:54,954 - How does the defendant plead? 343 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,999 - Not guilty, Your Honor. 344 00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,958 - I'll hear the people on bail. 345 00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:00,263 - We're seeking remand. 346 00:16:00,307 --> 00:16:02,700 The defendant stalked the victim, 347 00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:05,442 followed her home, then shot her to death 348 00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:07,183 during a botched robbery. 349 00:16:07,227 --> 00:16:08,880 Evidence is substantial. 350 00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:10,926 We found the victim's blood in a van 351 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,754 that the defendant had control over... 352 00:16:12,797 --> 00:16:15,800 The same van seen leaving the victim's apartment 353 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:18,107 shortly after the murder. - Mr. Gale. 354 00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:21,589 - My client is a highly respected member of the clergy. 355 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,025 - With a lengthy criminal record. 356 00:16:23,069 --> 00:16:26,507 - Who's lived an exemplary life since finding God. 357 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,597 There's no eye witnesses, no gun, 358 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,207 no evidence of motive. 359 00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:35,342 No one can put my client behind the wheel of that van 360 00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:37,257 at the time of the murder. 361 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,086 - An argument you're free to make at trial, Mr. Gale. 362 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:42,262 Bail is set at $1 million. 363 00:16:45,743 --> 00:16:50,009 - Case is solid, but our motive is still weak. 364 00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,968 Why on Earth would this man kill Emily Wade? 365 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,405 - Does it matter? If we can prove he shot her, 366 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:57,320 his motive's irrelevant. 367 00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,931 My mentor taught me that. 368 00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:02,064 - Yes, but he also taught you 369 00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:04,980 juries hate cases that don't make sense. 370 00:17:05,023 --> 00:17:07,852 - You're right. He did. 371 00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:10,986 So let's dig deeper. 372 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,381 Find a credible reason why Sherman wanted to kill Emily. 373 00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:18,037 - Scour his texts, email, phone records, financials. 374 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,652 Mm-hmm. 375 00:17:24,694 --> 00:17:28,263 A V12. - Gentlemen. 376 00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,049 - Pastor Mike. 377 00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,876 Nice ride. You got a minute? 378 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,488 - I'd love to chat, but I'm late. 379 00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,640 One of my oldest and dearest congregants is quite ill. 380 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:39,623 I'm heading over to the hospital to pray with him. 381 00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,321 Help him find peace before he passes. 382 00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,497 - Oh, that's fantastic, so this won't take long. 383 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:44,691 We just have a few questions. 384 00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,065 - Sorry, I can't. Not now. 385 00:17:46,108 --> 00:17:48,197 - Oh, you misunderstand my kindness here. 386 00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:51,505 I'm not asking. I'm telling. 387 00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:53,333 - You're telling? 388 00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:55,030 No, you don't get to tell me a damn thing. 389 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:57,163 - Sure I do. For starters, I'm telling you 390 00:17:57,206 --> 00:17:58,947 that we know that vice Pastor Sherman 391 00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:03,778 deposited a $50,000 check a day after Emily Wade was shot. 392 00:18:03,821 --> 00:18:05,519 - So? 393 00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:08,043 - So we want to know what the check was for. 394 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,958 - It's a private matter. - Private? 395 00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,091 Sherman was charged with murder, 396 00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:15,398 so anything he has said or done is now a public matter. 397 00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,794 - I'm done talking, so you can either arrest me 398 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:22,188 or step out of my way. 399 00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,979 Good day. 400 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,079 - Does your pastor drive a Bentley? 401 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,429 - I don't go to church enough to know. 402 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,569 - A superseding indictment for first-degree murder. 403 00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:58,485 On what basis? - Murder for hire. 404 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,793 Pastor Mike paid your client to kill Emily Wade. 405 00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,447 - Is this a joke? 406 00:19:04,491 --> 00:19:06,797 - Here are 50,000 reasons it's not. 407 00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:11,933 - So he makes a $50,000 deposit. 408 00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,240 Who cares? - I'm guessing the jury might 409 00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,111 since it was the day after the murder 410 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:17,591 from a First Harmony account. 411 00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:21,203 - And phone logs show Mr. Sherman called Pastor Mike 412 00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:24,598 just before and after Emily Wade was shot to death. 413 00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,774 - Look, if we're right, and we are, 414 00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:29,646 you would be wise to cooperate. 415 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:32,867 Tell us what really happened, or there's a very good chance 416 00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:36,436 you'll die in prison. 417 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,221 - I've got nothing to say. 418 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:43,399 - You feel obligation to Pastor Mike 419 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,662 because he took you in, 420 00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:48,012 he gave you a job, a purpose. 421 00:19:48,056 --> 00:19:51,581 But what he really did is use you. 422 00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:56,020 That's why you're here taking the rap and he's not. 423 00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,765 Murder two, 15 years. 424 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,334 - I'm not a rat. 425 00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:17,216 Hold on. Wait. 426 00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:26,616 - How about man one, ten years flat? 427 00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,663 - We're listening. 428 00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:32,448 - Pastor Mike was nervous. 429 00:20:32,492 --> 00:20:35,016 Said that Emily was a problem. 430 00:20:35,059 --> 00:20:37,148 That we needed to shut her ass up. 431 00:20:37,192 --> 00:20:40,804 - What did he mean by that? 432 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:43,851 - He wanted me to kill her. 433 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:48,682 - Why would he want to do that? 434 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:53,034 - She told Pastor Mike she was gonna call the police 435 00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:55,950 if he didn't return her brother's donation. 436 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,300 Let them know what's really going on in the church. 437 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,043 - Is that some sort of secret? - No. 438 00:21:02,086 --> 00:21:04,872 But Pastor Mike doesn't like paying taxes 439 00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:09,311 or going to jail, so he panicked. 440 00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:11,618 - Okay. 441 00:21:11,661 --> 00:21:13,054 Yeah, we got a deal, 442 00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,970 assuming your story checks out, of course. 443 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:24,413 Did you give or donate money to Pastor Mike? 444 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,546 - Yes. 445 00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:28,112 $40,000. 446 00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,333 - Did Emily know about this? - Yes. 447 00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:33,398 I told her that day I asked her to help me pay the rent. 448 00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:37,165 - Well, when she heard about the donation, was she upset? 449 00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:41,343 Did she tell you she was going to go get your money back? 450 00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,346 - She was upset. She thought I was an idiot. 451 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,261 But she didn't think like I did. 452 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,352 She's not a believer like me. 453 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,312 Wait. 454 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:54,767 You think Pastor Mike has something to do 455 00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:56,619 with her murder? 456 00:21:56,663 --> 00:21:58,099 - That is correct. 457 00:21:58,142 --> 00:22:00,231 - When she found out you gave him that money, 458 00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:03,713 she stormed over to the church and demanded he give it back. 459 00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:06,020 - Or she would inform the police about his antics. 460 00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:07,543 - What do you mean antics? 461 00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:10,372 - Buying houses and boats with his congregants' 462 00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,461 hard-earned cash. - You're wrong. 463 00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:14,507 The money we give helps with prosperity. 464 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,117 It's part of the gospel. 465 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,858 - I know this is hard for you to hear... 466 00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:19,947 - Pastor Mike would never hurt Emily. 467 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:21,427 He's a healer. 468 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:26,083 I mean, if it wasn't for him, I'd probably be dead. 469 00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,998 I mean, he got me off heroin. 470 00:22:31,611 --> 00:22:33,613 - And with all due respect, 471 00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:37,138 that has nothing to do with your sister's case. 472 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:43,536 - I think I've had enough. 473 00:22:43,579 --> 00:22:46,147 Please leave. 474 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:48,323 Now. 475 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,502 - Let me get this straight. 476 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:56,375 You want to go after a pillar of the community, 477 00:22:56,418 --> 00:22:58,812 a clergyman, 478 00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:00,683 on the word of a convicted felon 479 00:23:00,727 --> 00:23:02,468 with every reason to trade up. 480 00:23:02,511 --> 00:23:05,384 - We believe Henry Sherman is telling the truth. 481 00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,038 The victim's brother confirmed the crux of his story. 482 00:23:08,082 --> 00:23:10,954 - That's great, but Sherman is still the felon 483 00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:13,870 with a fantastic motive to lie his ass off. 484 00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,264 - We're talking about a religious leader 485 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:19,615 who orchestrated someone's murder to cover up his scheme. 486 00:23:19,659 --> 00:23:22,313 If we don't at least try to hold someone like that 487 00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:24,925 accountable, we're in the wrong line of work. 488 00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,672 - Put Pastor Mike on trial, not his church. 489 00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:36,415 If you lose religious jurors, you won't have a prayer. 490 00:23:42,812 --> 00:23:45,206 โ™ช Down by the riverside 491 00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:49,993 โ™ช Study war no more - Yes. 492 00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:51,691 Lord. 493 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,215 They live. - Yes. 494 00:23:54,258 --> 00:23:57,044 - Praise the Lord. - Yeah! 495 00:23:57,087 --> 00:23:58,915 - Thank you, choir, for lifting our spirits 496 00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:00,743 on the winds of your song. Amen? 497 00:24:00,787 --> 00:24:02,353 - Amen. - Amen? 498 00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:03,964 Amen. 499 00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:05,226 - I want to talk about 500 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:07,707 the importance of your financial support. 501 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,057 What you give your church will come back to you tenfold. 502 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,016 - Yes. - Detectives. 503 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,018 You're interrupting our service. 504 00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,238 - Pastor, we need a word. 505 00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:20,023 - You're gonna have to wait. - Justice waits for no man. 506 00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:26,160 You're under arrest for the murder of Emily Wade. 507 00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:35,691 - Fear not, my children. God has a plan. 508 00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:37,388 The righteous shall prevail. 509 00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:42,829 - This is ludicrous. 510 00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,483 Do you seriously think 511 00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:46,397 that I'm involved in this young woman's death? 512 00:24:46,441 --> 00:24:47,573 - We do. 513 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,227 - Because Reverend Sherman made up a story. 514 00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:52,665 - He seemed pretty credible. 515 00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:56,364 - Evidence supports it too. 516 00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:59,846 - I suppose the darkness from within was just 517 00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,238 too much for him to overcome. 518 00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,502 - Yeah, that may be true, but right now, 519 00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:06,940 you need to help yourself and tell us what happened. 520 00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:14,338 - I'm done talking. 521 00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,253 I want a lawyer. 522 00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:19,256 Reverend Sherman can say whatever he wants, 523 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,216 but the truth will prevail. 524 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,745 - After Emily Wade left First Harmony, 525 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,879 did you have occasion to confer with Pastor Mike? 526 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,272 - I did. - And what did he tell you 527 00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:37,536 about the conversation that he'd had with her? 528 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,939 - We didn't talk about her. We talked about his sermon. 529 00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:52,463 - He didn't tell you that Ms. Wade 530 00:25:52,507 --> 00:25:54,248 wanted her brother's money back 531 00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:56,206 or she was gonna go to the police? 532 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,643 - No. - He didn't tell you 533 00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:00,036 that she would destroy everything you'd built, 534 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,778 so you had to shut her up? - No. 535 00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,439 - Mr. Sherman, did you or did you not tell me 536 00:26:11,482 --> 00:26:14,747 Pastor Mike paid you to kill Emily Wade. 537 00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:17,097 - I did tell you that, 538 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:18,925 and I was lying because I wanted a deal. 539 00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:22,319 - Quiet or I'll clear the gallery. 540 00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:26,454 - The truth is you're lying now out of some misguided 541 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,151 sense of loyalty to your boss, aren't you? 542 00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,719 - I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth. 543 00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,567 - Sir, I remind you that if you violate the terms 544 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,462 of your plea agreement... - Objection. 545 00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:37,334 Asked and answered. - I agree. 546 00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:40,468 Mr. Price, the witness' testimony 547 00:26:40,511 --> 00:26:42,339 is very clear. 548 00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,780 - Nothing further. 549 00:26:47,823 --> 00:26:49,303 - Mr. Dressler? 550 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,957 - No questions, Your Honor. 551 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,916 - The People request a brief recess. 552 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,657 - We're adjourned until tomorrow. 553 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,497 - Rikers' Visitor Log shows Pastor Mike's attorney 554 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:11,455 went to visit Sherman in jail yesterday. 555 00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:15,111 Less than 24 hours later, Sherman sandbags us. 556 00:27:15,155 --> 00:27:16,678 It's witness tampering. 557 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:18,811 - No doubt. 558 00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,769 But that's too hard to prove. 559 00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:22,641 We'll just have to make the case without him. 560 00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:30,953 - We were looking at calls coming into Pastor Mike 561 00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,999 the day of the murder, right? 562 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:34,348 - Yeah, I'm not following. 563 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,916 - We know Sherman called Pastor Mike 564 00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:38,657 right after he killed Emily. 565 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,703 But according to this call log, Pastor Mike called someone else 566 00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:44,837 as soon as that conversation was finished. 567 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,056 - Let's find out who he called and what he said. 568 00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:54,368 - As Senior Pastor of First Harmony, 569 00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:57,414 I don't have day-to-day involvement. 570 00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:01,854 I function strictly in an advisory capacity now. 571 00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:04,683 - Yes, but that capacity includes 572 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:07,120 the provision of counsel to Pastor Mike, doesn't it? 573 00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:08,556 - It does. 574 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,081 - Does he typically call you in the evening? 575 00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:14,040 - He does not. - But he did call you 576 00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:16,390 December 14th at night. 577 00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,957 What did you two talk about? 578 00:28:19,915 --> 00:28:21,743 I'm a preacher. 579 00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,267 Conversations with my congregants are 580 00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,748 meant to be confidential. 581 00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:28,968 - A woman was murdered. 582 00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:30,883 Doesn't that trump confidentiality? 583 00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:38,629 - He called me on that night as his clergyman. 584 00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:42,633 He wanted to unburden his soul, 585 00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:46,507 which means the nature of that conversation 586 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:50,903 is protected under the laws of the State of New York. 587 00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:55,603 - So just so I'm clear... 588 00:28:55,646 --> 00:28:59,781 you're okay if a murderer walks free? 589 00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:11,967 - I'm not talking, fellas. Simple as that. 590 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,893 - Bryant is the whole ballgame. He has to testify. 591 00:29:24,937 --> 00:29:29,289 - But he's a clergyman. And he's right about the law. 592 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:31,900 His conversation with the defendant is privileged. 593 00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:35,730 - Unless that privilege is in service of a crime or fraud. 594 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,297 - You're on dangerous ground, Nolan. 595 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,429 To prove that, you have to attack the church. 596 00:29:39,473 --> 00:29:41,083 I thought we agreed 597 00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:43,825 that we would make the case about the man not the religion. 598 00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:45,107 - I'm not going after religion. 599 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:47,960 I'm going after a single corrupt preacher. 600 00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:49,744 - It'll read as blasphemy. 601 00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:51,659 - Delegitimizing First Harmony 602 00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,183 is the only way to convict Pastor Mike. 603 00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,055 Otherwise, we may as well drop the charges. 604 00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:59,449 - If we lose this case, all people will remember 605 00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:01,756 is an over-zealous prosecutor 606 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,628 who vilified a church for no good reason. 607 00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:07,327 And that's all I'm going to remember too. 608 00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:13,768 - The mere suggestion this trial should devolve into 609 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:17,206 a referendum on the legitimacy of First Harmony is outrageous. 610 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,905 - I take the point. Mr. Price? 611 00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:24,126 - The People are aware of the sensitivities at play here. 612 00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,259 But we're only questioning that legitimacy 613 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:29,436 for the limited purposes of a privilege inquiry. 614 00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:32,308 - The phone call between Pastor Mike and Pastor Bryant 615 00:30:32,352 --> 00:30:35,616 was obviously for the purpose of seeking spiritual advice. 616 00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:37,313 - Presumptively for that purpose, 617 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:39,881 a presumption that can be overcome 618 00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,798 if we establish that the church is a corrupt enterprise. 619 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,931 - I share your concerns, Mr. Dressler, 620 00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,281 but this is a murder trial. 621 00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:50,936 So I'm gonna grant the People a limited opportunity 622 00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:53,416 to demonstrate fraud. 623 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:56,332 And the defense will have the chance to rebut. 624 00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:06,908 - Mr. Conley, how much did you donate to First Harmony? 625 00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:09,519 - $61,000 over three years. 626 00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,869 - And during that time, 627 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,741 did you experience any financial setbacks? 628 00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,744 - Yes. I lost my home, my car. 629 00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:18,398 Couldn't even pay the storage facility, 630 00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:19,878 so they sold my stuff. 631 00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,229 - And yet you continued donating to First Harmony, right? 632 00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:24,665 - Yes. - Why? 633 00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,841 - Because Pastor Mike told me if I stopped giving, 634 00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:29,322 it could jeopardize my relationship with God. 635 00:31:29,365 --> 00:31:32,238 - The money you donated... Do you know where it went? 636 00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:34,327 - Yeah. His Tesla. 637 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:37,591 His mansion in Armonk. His catamaran. 638 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,681 What Pastor needs a catamaran? 639 00:31:40,724 --> 00:31:42,901 - Nothing further. 640 00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,950 - Mr. Conley, 641 00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,735 are you currently a member of Gamblers Anonymous? 642 00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,478 - Yes. 643 00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,959 - And how much money have you lost gambling 644 00:31:58,003 --> 00:31:59,439 the past three years? 645 00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,180 - I don't remember. 646 00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,661 - Nearly $200,000. Is that right? 647 00:32:04,705 --> 00:32:06,446 - I guess. 648 00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:08,622 - So First Harmony isn't the real cause 649 00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,798 of your financial woes, is it? 650 00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:12,234 - Doesn't matter. 651 00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,541 That man over there stole from me. 652 00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:23,942 - Mr. Ballard, you're a recovering heroin addict. 653 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,726 Is that right? - Recovered. 654 00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:27,293 - That's amazing. 655 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:30,383 And to what do you attribute your recovery? 656 00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:31,993 - Pastor Mike. 657 00:32:32,037 --> 00:32:35,127 He got me into a facility, paid for the program. 658 00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:36,911 Visited me every day for six weeks 659 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,391 to make sure I was doing the work. 660 00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:40,697 - Were you employed as a sales rep 661 00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:42,656 for Shearing Pharmaceuticals? 662 00:32:42,699 --> 00:32:45,006 - Yes, for four years. 663 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,616 I just got laid off. 664 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:49,402 - I'm sorry about that. And who got you that job? 665 00:32:49,445 --> 00:32:51,143 - Pastor Mike. 666 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,796 - There's been testimony about 667 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,321 Pastor Mike's extravagant lifestyle. 668 00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:56,975 Are you familiar with how he lives? 669 00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,237 - Of course. 670 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,543 And it's a blessing to the congregation. 671 00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:03,111 - Do you believe First Harmony defrauded you in any way? 672 00:33:03,155 --> 00:33:05,592 - No. As Pastor Mike likes to say, 673 00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:08,682 "When we invest in the church, we invest in ourselves." 674 00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:10,423 And I'm living proof that's true. 675 00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,033 - Thank you. 676 00:33:14,688 --> 00:33:15,950 - Mr. Ballard, 677 00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,387 I'm very sorry about the loss of your sister. 678 00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:20,911 - Thank you. 679 00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:25,786 - Until a short time ago, what was your net worth? 680 00:33:25,829 --> 00:33:27,788 - About $40,000. 681 00:33:27,831 --> 00:33:29,833 - What's your net worth now? 682 00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:32,706 - Less than that. - In fact, it is zero. 683 00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:36,753 Because you donated every cent you had to First Harmony. 684 00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:38,146 - I'll make more. 685 00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:40,975 - How much have you given First Harmony 686 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,499 over the past four years? 687 00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:44,805 - I don't remember. 688 00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:48,765 - Does almost $90,000 sound right? 689 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:53,031 - I donated because that's the right thing to do. 690 00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:55,120 I owe Pastor Mike. I owe him. 691 00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:59,515 - Well, isn't it possible that the man you say you owe 692 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,604 turned you into a productive citizen 693 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,694 in order to milk you of everything you earned? 694 00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,567 - No. Donating to your church is the right thing to do. 695 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,612 Pastor Mike deserves every penny I gave him. 696 00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:11,527 - Oh, you gave Pastor Mike your money? 697 00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:14,139 - No, no, I meant I... I gave it to First Harm... 698 00:34:14,181 --> 00:34:16,010 This man is trying to fool me! 699 00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:17,751 - No, sir. 700 00:34:17,793 --> 00:34:21,710 I am not the one fooling you. 701 00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:24,062 Nothing further. 702 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,460 - The parishioners who donated 703 00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,681 did so knowing that Pastor Mike was spending at least 704 00:34:34,724 --> 00:34:37,161 some of the money on himself. 705 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,728 No one was threatened or coerced. 706 00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:44,125 They donated for inspiration, which is exactly what they got. 707 00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:49,348 Pastor Mike's success was a beacon to his parish, 708 00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:52,132 which is all that the prosperity gospel entails. 709 00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:54,483 You get the benefit of your bargain, 710 00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:58,052 it can't be fraud. 711 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,142 - Mr. Price? 712 00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:06,930 - Fraud needn't be a function of deceit or coercion. 713 00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,628 It can also be manipulation 714 00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:11,239 by a person in a position of trust, 715 00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:15,156 such as a pastor who tells his flock 716 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,507 that their relationship with God will be compromised 717 00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,684 if they don't give money to the church. 718 00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,209 These donations were part of a shameless money grab 719 00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:27,212 by a charismatic and manipulative figure 720 00:35:27,255 --> 00:35:30,084 in a position of control and power. 721 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,914 The defendant concealed these cash contributions from the IRS 722 00:35:33,957 --> 00:35:35,916 and used the money he received 723 00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,397 to finance his opulent lifestyle. 724 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,141 That is not religion. That's fraud. 725 00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:54,500 - I agree with Mr. Price. 726 00:35:54,543 --> 00:35:59,244 And since the defense did not rebut his claims, 727 00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,638 I am vitiating the clergy privilege. 728 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:18,219 - Mr. Price. 729 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,003 Why you doing this? - Excuse me? 730 00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:22,180 - Trying to destroy my church. 731 00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,660 - No, I can assure you, that is not my objective. 732 00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,638 - You're acting like we don't know what we're doing, 733 00:36:26,662 --> 00:36:28,925 that Pastor Mike is trying to defraud us. 734 00:36:28,969 --> 00:36:31,450 That's not what's going on here. 735 00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:33,800 We know what we're doing. We want to give him our money. 736 00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:37,804 - That is your choice. I... I don't really care. 737 00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:39,980 I'm simply trying to present the facts to the jury 738 00:36:40,023 --> 00:36:41,895 so they know what really happened... 739 00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:44,245 So they know who really killed Emily, your sister. 740 00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:45,942 I-I would've thought that's something 741 00:36:45,986 --> 00:36:47,137 you might be interested in as well. 742 00:36:47,161 --> 00:36:49,032 - Don't do that. 743 00:36:49,076 --> 00:36:53,036 Don't you dare suggest that I don't love my sister Emily. 744 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,257 I do. More than anything. 745 00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:57,432 But she's gone. 746 00:36:57,476 --> 00:36:59,434 Ain't nothing we can do about that. 747 00:36:59,478 --> 00:37:00,846 And nothing you could do to convince me 748 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:02,524 that Pastor Mike is involved. 749 00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:05,048 - I won't bother trying. - Wait, wait. 750 00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,750 I'm just scared. 751 00:37:10,793 --> 00:37:15,058 If you destroy Pastor Mike and my church... 752 00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:20,629 I'm left with absolutely nothing. 753 00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:27,419 Please. 754 00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,870 - Pastor Mike Butler 755 00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:47,743 called you at 9:14 on the evening of Emily Wade's murder. 756 00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:52,618 - He did. - And what did he tell you? 757 00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:03,803 - He told me he wanted to pray with me 758 00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:07,285 because he had transgressed. 759 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:15,641 - Did he tell you exactly what the transgression was? 760 00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:18,208 - This is not right. 761 00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:21,168 That conversation was sacred. 762 00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:22,343 - Pastor Bryant... 763 00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:25,477 - Only God should know the contents. 764 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,394 - Will the court please instruct the witness to answer? 765 00:38:29,437 --> 00:38:32,135 - Pastor Bryant, the court has ruled 766 00:38:32,179 --> 00:38:34,137 clergy privilege does not apply here. 767 00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:35,791 - Oh. - If you don't answer, 768 00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:37,445 I will have to hold you in contempt. 769 00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:39,186 Do you understand that? 770 00:38:42,972 --> 00:38:44,191 - Yes. 771 00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:47,847 - Ask your question again, Mr. Price. 772 00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:50,980 - I'll make it a simple yes or no question. 773 00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:53,896 Did the defendant tell you 774 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:58,205 that he had instructed Mr. Sherman to kill Emily Wade? 775 00:39:03,993 --> 00:39:05,343 - Yes. 776 00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:24,710 - Nothing further. 777 00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:26,973 - Then we are adjourned for the day. 778 00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:33,936 - Man one, 20 max. 779 00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:36,809 - Murder two, 20 to life. 780 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:45,339 - I'll start drafting the plea agreement. 781 00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:49,299 - I'll, um, talk to Emily's brother, 782 00:39:49,343 --> 00:39:51,693 let him know the case is over. 783 00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:03,662 Lonnie? 784 00:40:03,705 --> 00:40:06,708 It's Nolan Price from the DA's office. 785 00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:11,800 Hello, Lonnie? 786 00:40:23,377 --> 00:40:26,206 Oh, no. Lonnie? 787 00:40:26,249 --> 00:40:28,904 Lonnie. 788 00:40:28,948 --> 00:40:31,211 Lonnie? Lonnie? 789 00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:32,734 Lonnie? Oh, God. 790 00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:39,393 Yeah, I-I need an ambulance. 791 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,830 435 Warshaw, Queens. Apartment 4B. 792 00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:44,572 He's overdosed. I need help right away. 793 00:40:46,356 --> 00:40:49,882 Lonnie? Lonnie, stay with me. 56253

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.