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Okay. Ready?

-Yes? -We are ready.

Nat, how do you feel?

I would like to know what is it that brings you all to orgasm.

Well, then in that case, play with my balls.

Lick them, suck them, play with them.

That would help me. Orgasm, balls.

Good luck to everyone, and let's have a great party.

The porn industry is estimated to be worth

up to a whopping $100 billion dollars a year,

with more web traffic

than Netflix, Amazon and Hulu combined.

I'm about to dig into the real impact of porn.

I know, some of it's gross.

Like, this is really mad.

And some of it downright nasty!

-Oh. -This is horrible.

But is there an alternative?

Hi!

They're just hugging. It's great.

Is there such a thing as good porn?

Yeah, go, come, whoo!

Look, we can't show you all the naughty bits,

but I guarantee you're still in for a saucy time.

-Thank you so much! -Thank you!

Porn.

All right, come on, let's talk about porn.

So, what exactly is pornography?

Well, it's anything with sexual content

designed to turn you on.

And today there is a lot of it.

Oh, okay.

Everyday there are hundreds of millions of visits

to porn sites across the world.

With most people watching it on their mobiles,

porn is now more accessible than ever,

which means you can watch it anywhere, anytime, all the time.

Guys... do you want some pizza?

But this frothy fantasy of cheerleaders and pool boys

is a long way from the dark reality of how porn makes me feel.

I started watching porn pretty young

and couldn't really come without it for a long period of time.

And it wasn't until...

a couple of years ago

when I started trying to masturbate without it

and it was hard. Without a sex toy too.

Porn is quite intense, and I think it can be quite scary

when it gives young people a very skewed way

of how sex should be and what intimacy should be.

I've seen a lot of porn

that taps into our worst most basic instincts.

And banning it won't make it go away.

It's really gross 'cause even after you watch it,

you're, like, "I feel disgusting."

So is porn inherently bad, or is it possible to make good porn?

Barcelona, porn capital of Europe.

I've heard that amongst the many porn producers here,

there's one fighting to change the industry for the better.

And action!

Erika Lust creates films that are radically different

to the free easily accessible stuff you find on most porn websites.

She takes a totally ethical approach.

There's a whole indie movement, really.

Smaller production companies of directors, producers, performers,

who are trying to make a different kind of porn,

a porn that is respecting people.

-Plan B. -So, we're on set, right?

So, in terms of the porn you make, why did you end up doing that

and what was it about mainstream porn

that is a problem?

It's the whole kind of system, I think.

I think most of the people making it are the same kind of men,

the kind of middle-aged, white, cis, hetero guy,

and it's his version of porn that we see.

And I'm so tired of all this kind of videos

talking about banging, smashing, needling.

-Pounding. Screwing. -Punish...

When you watch women having sex with these men or whatever,

you can tell they're not turned on. It's crazy.

With mainstream porn today, there's one big company.

They're based in Montreal, Canada.

They are the leader in this industry.

They are what we could call "Big Porn."

They are not interested in human sexuality.

It's all about traffic, nasty, dirty, ugly as possible

to earn money.

So I wanted to show you a few clips,

to look a little about, you know, what's wrong with porn.

A few examples of online sites. So, here what do we see?

We see two big men, and we see a very young girl.

-She looks so young. -If we read the tagline, it says,

"Tiny teen destroyed by two giant black dudes."

And this is an example of so many things that's wrong.

The racialisation also of the characters,

and she obviously looks much less than 18 years old.

-Like, this is really bad. -It's really bad that it's accepted.

So gross!

Here's another really good example.

This is about "Lesbian beauty tries her first cock and loves it."

And what is this about? Well, this is about the idea

that no woman could really be a lesbian

because most women, if they just try cock,

that's what they want.

-You think she's really a lesbian? -I don't think so.

So many of my straight girlfriends watch lesbian porn.

That's their favourite one to watch because it's safer, but I'm like,

"It's not really lesbians either. It's not really anything."

And again, "Teen slut used by the whole dorm."

Look at the language.

This is... There's no end to it.

And then I have an example that you're not gonna like at all.

Deep fake. They put your face on another person's body.

-Let's see if it... -Oh!

This is horrible.

-Have you seen this? -No, I haven't seen that.

That is honestly very shocking to see.

One of the reasons why I'm doing it

is because I want to change porn culture.

I've also seen how this independent movement around porn

has grown since I started.

I never even considered or thought there was female directors in porn.

Yeah, and you know what? My audience.

Around 60% of the audience are men,

and I really believe that if we want to change porn,

we can't continue just accepting what's out there.

What I'm trying to do in my films

is to bring more women into adult filmmaking

because that's the only way we're going to be able

to see the perspective shift.

So for me the answer is really, let's make better porn.

What she showed me was... yeah, really horrifying.

I didn't understand the extent of what we were discussing

in terms of what is there available to people for free,

which makes me believe in what she does even more so.

Don't normalise that thought. It's not okay.

Erika's got me so fired up about making better porn,

that I'm going to work with her

to turn my wildest fantasies into a new film.

All's fair, I guess, on Planet Sex.

I was completely desensitised by the porn I'd watched.

In my mind, the dangerous part,

it's a lot of female objectification.

That's when it got dangerous for me, but that's what excited me.

I speak to a lot of women, and they have the same feeling.

And it's horrible. There's so much shame involved in that.

You can't ever unsee any of that stuff.

There's a lot of weird shit in the world.

And lots of that extreme stuff is found here, Japan.

Look, I love this country so much,

but when it comes to erotic depictions of women,

oh, dear, it can be pretty dark and degrading.

Akihabara shopping district

is the beating heart of Japan's manga industry.

We're not allowed to film in here,

but I'm going to take a look, buy some stuff,

and I'll see you in a minute.

I'm sensing two main themes here.

An obsession with wildly oversized breasts

and the sexualisation of school girls.

And both creep me out.

Whoa! Like, this image is crazy.

Oh, my God, I've just realised what's happening.

There's a lot of, like, come everywhere.

Like, why are her nipples constantly squirting milk?

I hope they are drinking water because there's so much fluid.

Oh, God!

Let's be real.

This is by straight men for straight men.

But I've been told there's an erotic manga subculture

that's way more appealing to women and less degrading.

Boys Love or BL

is a work written for women

which depicts male-on-male sexual love or strong bonds.

Stay with me here.

Yes, Boys Love is gay sex between men,

but drawn by and aimed at women.

So, I was very fascinated

when I heard the opposite of what the male comic books are,

was two gay men.

How is it so different in Boys Love?

The form of a boy is an ideal,

free from the constraints of gender.

The boy represents an alter ego for a girl.

They are both giving pleasure at the same time.

You can be emotionally involved in both of them at the same time.

It's very interesting that mostly women like Boys Love.

Why do you think it's important that women see men

in a portrayal where they show emotions?

So, the sexual pleasure in Boys Love

is similar to female pleasure.

But it is portrayed as a man's feelings, in a male form.

I think that is why it's so attractive.

There's not a lot of freedom, especially for women.

By removing that restriction, by having two men,

you can depict a love affair

between two people who have removed their chains.

Women are so often depicted as just taking it,

but in Boys Love, the sex is between two people

who are passionate about giving and receiving pleasure.

Obviously, BL has a really positive influence.

Do you hope it reaches a wider audience?

And what do you think it teaches people?

BL culture is already spreading around the world

and that leads to support

for real gay people.

In that sense, Boys Love is very freeing.

It can shine a light on relationships

we couldn't name before.

The thing that surprised me the most

is that I just didn't know Boys Love existed,

in terms of a comic book that's sexual

but about the emotions and feelings,

more like a kind of, like, a romantic erotic novel, let's say.

And I kind of wish there was a middle ground

that straight men could be into that wasn't so sexual.

We can draw anime.

We need more stuff like Japan's Boys Love comics.

Sexy stories that reflect

the full range of human sexual experience,

not just what straight men want.

-Are we on now? -We're on, ready to rock and roll.

I've had some hot ideas for a film, and want to run them by Erika Lust.

What are you thinking about? Your own stories, your fantasies?

The things that I find extremely sexy

are the forbidden, like English repression,

in terms of sexuality.

I remember watching The Crown because I thought the Royal Family

and how repressed they were was the hottest thing in the world.

I'm English. That shit is hot.

-Get me going. -No, but...

It's something that people are looking for more lately.

-The Bridgerton porn kind of style. -See?

Okay, all the best. I cannot wait to work with you.

It's going to be amazing. Thank you so much.

I realise that not all porn is problematic.

Erika's ethical feminist films and Japan's Boys Love erotica

give me hope that there's positive stuff out there too.

In fact, sometimes it can even be kind of meaningful.

Should I have the glasses on or off?

I think off.

Deutschland mit Gandalf.

-Willkommen Berlin. -Danke.

This not too shabby Trabi.

It's a beautiful car.

I mean, I love it. It's... It's very cool.

Will be dropping me at the Schwules, or gay, Museum.

It looks pretty ordinary, but this place owns

the biggest gay porn stash in all the land.

More than a million items.

Straight in at the deep end with Peter Rehberg.

-Wow, his penis is very large. -Yeah, big dicks.

Yeah, large penises.

I'm hot again. Whoo! Yeah.

Jokes aside, Peter knows that porn matters.

To have queer sexuality represented in porn

is important for queer people.

You have very little representation

of queer people in mainstream media to begin with.

Porn is a very central moment of gay culture

because through porn you have access to a gay universe,

the sense of belonging.

So, here this is the magazine section.

Playgirl, Playguy.

It's like an encyclopaedia of everything.

And if we go over here,

we're approaching the porn collection.

Whoa! Now we're talking.

As you can see, many VHS tapes.

Wow! The Pizza Boy Two.

Oh, my God, there's a lot of dicks and arses.

-Not a lot of women back here. -No, it's not.

The majority is gay male porn, yes.

Most of this is commercial porn from the '80s and '90s,

an important era of gay porn, you know, post Aids.

I never thought how affirming it must be

to see your own gay sexuality reflected back at you.

To Peter, this stuff is real life history.

This is a Safer Sex porn film produced in '89,

by a German director, Wieland Speck.

So, the idea here is that everybody pretended there were no condoms,

you know, so you saw people kissing, and then it came to the...

And, suddenly, the guy had a condom on.

So he decided, "We try to promote the use of condoms."

-Should we look at it? -Yes.

Okay, let's move over.

So, here we go.

Look, it gives you instruction of how to use a condom.

-"Gummi." -It's a German word for rubber.

So the idea is to make using a condom sexy.

Pornography has an important educational value.

You, as a queer teenager, if you watch porn,

no one is telling you how queer sex works, right?

Finding out what your fantasies are.

What is happening here? Why is he so bad at this?

-I don't know. -Why is there so much...?

I've never seen that done before.

Oh, my God!

-That guy's thrilled. -Yeah.

I think that the porn collection is important

if you want to get

a comprehensive sense of queer culture.

Let's just say there's no queer culture without porn.

I love Peter.

I want to go to dinner with Peter and talk about porn.

To be honest, I didn't realise how little I knew about porn,

and especially not queer porn.

They are drag queens. They are beating up the skinheads.

I've never done anything like this, so it's been really amazing.

-I love Berlin! -Yeah! That's a wrap for Berlin!

-Thank you! -Love you, guys.

Porn is something that, you know,

should be able to be used, but should be made

from different cultures and different viewpoints,

and instead it's made from this very dominant male

objectifying viewpoint, in my mind, most of the time.

So I'd like to see more diversity in the people that write the porn,

the people that direct the porn, the people that are in the porn.

I just want it to be real.

The problem with mainstream porn is that it's a million miles away

from most people's real lived experiences of sex.

Yet, the stats tell us

we are all consuming ever increasing quantities.

So is there something worse happening here?

Is porn actually addictive?

I was always searching for the perfect clip,

and that perfect clip didn't seem to exist.

I'm in LA, trying to get centred in the company of Erica Garza.

She's a former porn addict with a hellish tale to tell.

So, when I was 12,

I was diagnosed with scoliosis, and so I had to wear

this big clunky back brace under my shirts.

And I became really introverted and insecure,

hating my body, and just really isolated

and filled with self-loathing and self-hatred.

I found that if I masturbated,

I would get a break from all of those bad feelings.

I would use porn as an escape from that.

When did you realise it was a problem?

I knew it was an addiction because it was a compulsion

that I felt like I had no control over.

Just trying to continue that sense of gratification.

You know, get turned on, find a sexual release

and then start all over again.

Yeah, there were things in there you just said that, um...

yeah, I can definitely identify with.

You don't really realise what an escape it is.

How did you turn the corner?

What did you do to find that freedom to change?

I had ruined another relationship.

And I saw my 30 years ahead of me,

and I thought, "I want to make this decade better."

I saw it as a turning point for me.

I started doing lots of yoga, I started meditating,

and just taking care of myself.

That was a huge part of my healing.

That's when I started writing about it,

going to 12-step meetings and starting to be open about this.

What a turnaround, but what an amazing thing

to have accomplished, especially being so brave

to be vulnerable about talking,

putting yourself out there like that.

When you're dealing with something like addiction

and when you keep these things a secret,

it only intensifies the shame.

If you speak about these things

and you expose these secrets, then you disempower them.

Yes.

Porn can definitely be an escape.

It's something that you reach for to help you

and what you need or you rely on. But the most interesting part is,

I very much related to a lot of what she said,

the kind of porn she watched,

the relationships getting in the way of,

the feeling alone, the feeling isolated.

I related to all of it and was like, "Wow, was I addicted to porn?"

I wouldn't watch it everyday, for sure.

I wouldn't need to have an orgasm everyday,

but I needed to watch it to have one.

So, yeah, I mean, that's in its way its own little addiction to porn.

Both Erica and I have certainly fallen

under the spell of mainstream porn.

But is it a real addiction in the same way

as, say, gambling or alcoholism?

Not everyone believes so,

but new research is making scientists think again.

The University of California, San Diego,

is the site of some hardcore research

into our darkest desires.

This guy spends a lot of time

thinking about, writing about and looking at porn.

To be fair, at least he's got an excuse.

In my research, I try to understand

how the pornography changes brain activity

and what we can do to help people quit.

For him, there's one question more important than any other,

"Can you really get addicted to porn?"

For the majority of people, pornography watching

is just an entertainment, but the problem appears

when you cannot control when do you watch,

how long do you watch and when do you finish watching.

The average age of patients we've seen in treatment

is around 27.

So usually they have been watching pornography

already for about 15, 17 years up to 15 hours a day.

Mateusz believes answers might lie in the structure of our brains.

So he takes heavy porn users and sticks them in a scanner.

In our studies, we are using FMRI,

which allows us to compare the brains

of people who struggle with problematic pornography use

with those who use porn, but never experience any problems.

Mateusz has studied 450 brains,

and he's now finally got enough to draw a conclusion.

So we find two main differences

between problematic pornography users

and regular users.

One is related to the reward circuit,

and it becomes super sensitive

for all the triggers related to pornography watching.

The second one is related

to lower ability to control your behaviour

and this is linked

to less grey matter volume in the prefrontal cortex,

that's this part of the brain.

When we compare problematic pornography users

with alcohol addicts and gamblers,

the little spots in the prefrontal cortex

are the places where there is less grey matter volume,

responsible for the controlling of those cravings.

The scientists say we should all have 40% grey matter,

but heavy porn users have less.

This is the information processing all thinking part of our brain.

Less grey matter is associated with addiction.

It's not just a matter of your weak will.

Uh, this is a real issue.

There are real changes in your brain

and this is similar

to what we've already seen in other addictions.

Problematic porn use is now classified

by the World Health Organisation as a clinical condition.

That means people have better access to treatment,

like antidepressants and psychotherapy.

It's very difficult to quit porn

once you develop this pattern of problematic use,

but there's hope.

So what we see in people who are in treatment

is that after a few months of abstaining from porn,

those changes in the brain reverse.

This is a real change in the brain, the restoration of normal function.

So, the good news is that your brain can bounce back.

I'm back in horny porny Spainy Barcelona.

-I love those ideas. -I know.

I'm pitching my sexily ethical ideas to Erika Lust.

Don't worry monarchy fans.

Getting down with the Crown is out,

but shagadelica is in.

The thing about my fantasies

is that I feel like exploring time periods and group sex.

I've always been obsessed with the '60s and '70s.

The way everything looked, but also the sexual revolution.

How everyone was so open and free, and it's an exciting time for that.

You know 1969 swingers, body sex, that kind of thing.

Group sex, voyeurism, exhibitionism.

Just, yeah, good old-fashioned love-making.

So you're thinking like a sex party kind of thing?

-Okay. Like a big orgy? -Yes, an orgy.

And we should find some good music to get that kind of ambience.

-Is it a female or mixed? -I think everyone.

The idea of taking it outside

the conventional standard of what sex is, right?

And then, of course, we want to represent diversity.

-Yes. -We want different kinds of people.

-Yes. -Yeah.

But is there something that you find as a turn on?

-I just want it to be good. -Yeah, well.

-You put us up with a challenge. -I'm excited.

-Okay, we're making it. -Yay!

-Go. -Okay, bye.

What kind of porn do you wish there was more of?

For me, I think that porn is really lacking

in the female voice

or at least... different voices, different points of view.

So much porn, but so much of it is on the same narrative.

Even the lesbian porn that's made,

it's clearly directed by a man for men.

It's very confusing.

You know, now if I watch porn, which I very rarely do,

I would rather watch amateur porn and real people having sex

than the porn made at the moment.

You really want to see real pleasure and real intimacy.

Otherwise, it's just this kind of very staged contrived version

of what love or intimacy should look like.

Manhattan... home to another pioneering woman

offering an alternative to the mainstream porn industry,

swapping all the dodgy stuff...

You had them in your hand!

...to focus on what's really...

Oh, my God, no. Oh, my God!

...well, real.

Real world sex is way more innovative,

way more surprising and way more arousing

than porn will ever be.

This is love, real sexy love.

MakeLoveNotPorn is a subscription video platform

launched by the entrepreneur Cindy Gallop.

We exist to reflect

the full glorious spectrum of human sexuality.

I am obsessed with where you live.

Okay, cool, we have to concentrate. Down to business, though.

Can you just give me a little taste of what MakeLoveNotPorn is?

We are the world's first and only,

user-generated, human-curated, social sex video showing platform.

Real world sex is enormously reassuring.

We celebrate real world everything.

Real world bodies,

real world penis size, real world vulvas.

Bloody love this woman!

If porn is the Hollywood blockbuster movie,

MakeLoveNotPorn is the real world documentary.

Can you just tell everyone how you started?

Basically, MakeLoveNotPorn

came about because I date younger men

casually recreationally for sex.

And I'm deliberately very vocal about all of that

because I realised I was experiencing what happens

when today's total freedom of access to hardcore porn online

meets our society's equally total reluctance

to talk openly and honestly about sex.

When those two things converge,

porn becomes sex education by default, in not a good way.

So I found myself encountering

a number of sexual behaviours in bed,

and went, "Whoa! I know where that's coming from."

I thought, "Gosh, if I'm experiencing this,

other people must be as well."

And I realised I'd uncovered a huge global social issue.

So, this video is

by MakeLoveNotPornstar Goddess Erica,

and this video is them tantric kissing.

-So I'll sign it over. -That's fantastic.

So sweet.

It's also just very soothing to watch.

You know, it's...

They're just hugging. It's great.

We get really excited

when we can expand the definition of real world sex

on MakeLoveNotPorn.

So tantric kissing was something we hadn't had until this video,

which was really exciting.

This isn't making me horny.

Even though it's not, not making me horny,

it's making me more horny for intimacy.

-Yeah, exactly. -You know, like, craving

to be touched or held or... caressed.

Yeah.

There's so many of my friends who are like,

"But there's not dick involved. There's no real penetration."

It's just so backwards about what people believe.

Cindy's platform is ethical, real and raunchy.

But here's the tricky bit. You've got to pay for it.

And a lot of people want to get their kicks for free,

which means they're going to turn to the usual,

maybe less than ethical suspects for their porn.

So what to do?

Justine Ang Fonte has a tough job.

She teaches Porn Literacy to young people.

In a nutshell, how to think critically about mainstream porn

that requires one or two clicks and no subscriptions.

As a health educator working in a school setting,

we're seeing young people being exposed to pornography

as young as eight years old.

So, Cara, what was your first experience with porn?

You know, for me, it was, like,

I'm a little kid who's already done, feeling they belong.

I didn't know whether I was queer or gender fluid, I didn't know.

So the whole thing was confusing.

I've been teaching pornography literacy for nine years.

It's a lot about safety.

It's about looking at what they might be seeing

is not accurate.

This is an entertainment industry

and not something that is meant to define me or explain who I am.

I started watching porn when I was really young.

That's how I was introduced to sex.

-Yeah. How old? -Around 11 or 12.

It definitely made me feel like I have to be thin

and have big boobs and be shaved, like, everywhere.

I was, like, 14 or so.

I know I'm gay, and...

Okay, lesbian porn, and that was a mistake.

It didn't have a kind of sense of pleasure

for anyone who didn't have a dick.

I didn't like lesbian porn.

When I look at a woman like that, that's not what I was either.

Teaching pornography literacy in schools,

do you all even think it should be in schools?

-Everyone has Sex Ed? -No.

-Every school doesn't do Sex Ed? -No.

Even schools that are teaching this

are not necessarily bringing up pornography.

They're talking about how to prevent getting pregnant,

how to not contract an infection.

A lot of my students are using mainstream pornography

as the main instruction manual that is normalising

the lack of consent, the lack of intimacy.

So that's extremely destructive.

I think porn was created

to be a wildly inaccurate fantasy of our sexuality,

and we are meant to consume it as such.

Honestly, it is wild we are not teaching Sex Ed

in so many American schools.

Let alone Porn Literacy.

We need to help young people understand

that this shit is not real.

I think a lot of teenage boys think they'll be a pizza delivery boy

and they'll just go to a house one day,

and then a girl will... them randomly.

That's just not going to happen. I can't say... Shit...

Porn has definitely skewed all of our visions of what sex is,

but especially for poor young boys that don't know.

And their parents and their teachers won't speak to them about sex.

That's all they know.

I think the whole porn industry needs to just take a step up

and go up a level because porn should be educational.

And at the moment it's just educating people

in the exact opposite way.

It's just now becoming something that is a dangerous thing

that we can't stop kids from watching,

and it's changing how the world looks at sex.

Porn shoot scene, part four.

Ready?

What are we doing today?

We are on the way, back in Barcelona,

to watch Erika direct the porn film

that's loosely based on my fantasies.

So I'm very excited.

A little bit nervous.

When you were thinking about the kind of the '60s and...

was it something like this you had imagined?

No, the details are wonderful. From my wildest dreams.

-It is really pretty. I love it. -What are you doing right now?

Well, I'm preparing next

to where we actually get to know the performers.

Now I know that Erika's films

are all about inclusivity, respect, consensual sex, etc.

But this next bit, I honestly could not have imagined.

A consent chat with the cast that's on camera.

An actual part of the film.

Done, okay. And action!

This is a talk about your personal sex boundaries.

Visha, what do you think?

My back is actually quite a sensitive space,

but, like, impact play is actually fine.

I'm truly into giving,

so, like, blow jobs, rimming, but I'm also open to receiving.

Other than that, like, I'm easy.

Great, thank you. Nat, how do you feel?

I would be happy to receive everything

besides no spit on the face.

-Oh, yeah. -Right?

I'm pretty easy with almost everything

minus anal sex and playing with my nipples.

They are too sensitive to the touch.

And I also would like to know

what is it that brings you all to orgasm?

Okay, well, then in that case, play with my balls.

Lick them, suck them, play with them.

-That will help me. -Gotcha.

Orgasm, balls.

If you feel that something is not going the way you want,

please, communicate it.

Well, good luck to everyone and let's have a great party.

Thank you and cut!

When they were having the kind of HR consent chat,

I assumed it to be a very boring talk

about what's going to happen on set

and, like, the way people speak to each other.

But it comes from a place

of more like what each person's preferences are,

what their limits are, what makes them reach an orgasm,

what makes them comfortable or uncomfortable.

It's very nice, especially hear them talking about it in that way.

It made me very happy.

I love this because this goes with this one and with your hair,

and it kind of makes the whole statement, I think.

-James Bond. -James Bond. My Bond girl.

I want to talk to the performers

about how Erika's gigs compare to the mainstream stuff.

-Exactly. -Does it make a difference if...?

You're less nervous if you talk about this stuff before?

Yeah, I find it easier

when I know what are people's boundaries and preferences.

When you work with mainstream producers,

first of all, well, it's super different.

You have the sex scripted,

so you know the positions you are going to do and everything.

-Oh, no. -Yeah. They want 5 minutes of this,

5 minutes of this, 5 minutes of this.

-Oh, my God, it's so specific. -Yeah, it's disgusting, yeah.

With this type of company,

it's, like, sure that everyone knows what's happening.

-Here. -We're almost ready now.

Tassels twirl. Cocktails swirl.

Sex party porno time is about to begin.

I'm fascinated to see how this'll work

because I just don't really know.

And you just dive in the deep end, I guess.

We need to see the nipple tassels move.

Yeah, after filming sex personally,

there's never... all angles of sex aren't good.

-Right? -Not all, not so good.

-They're not. -Not everything is gorgeous.

No, not everything is stunning, I'm just saying.

Do you give directions when they're having sex?

No, not that much. I give directions before.

We're gonna talk about the light and the best angles and places.

But then, when we start, we let it kind of run.

That's amazing.

Just the average general conversations

are about don't squirt on the sofa or...

Okay, let's do it!

Music, dancing, action.

Good! Yes!

Sexy!

Yes.

That looks great.

What I'm trying to do in my films is really showing how women

are active working for their own pleasure,

communicating with their partners,

talking about consent

and how they are having pleasure ultimately together.

Telling them not to have sex as porn performers,

but to have sex in a more normal way.

-That is a wrap! We have a wrap! -Whoo!

So ends my time with Lady Lust and team.

Always good to go out with a bang.

Thank you!

-It wasn't that strange, was it? -Not at all.

Sex is way more scary.

Visha! Let's do a selfie.

-Hello, darling. -All right, love.

There's just such a world of difference

between the films that Erika produces

and the worst kinds of mainstream porn.

There's boundaries, respect and care.

No one's exploited, and everyone's included.

I came in kind of, like, "Why would you pay for porn?"

You pay for an experience. You pay for the safety of others.

It was just thoroughly enjoyable because they got comfortable.

You could see them enjoying themselves.

And that's what you pay for. You pay for the realness.

But you also know that they're gonna be treated right,

and that's important 'cause you get attached to them all.

I was like, "Yeah, go, come, whoo!"

I don't know, it was amazing. I'm like, "Girl, you get it!"

I want to high five all of them. It was wonderful.

I think that the best thing that people could really do

is to pay for their porn

and support creators and performers.

That's how you make a difference in the world.

Not all porn is the same.

I was just very happy to see sex

being represented in a way that I knew it was in real life.

If I had seen that kind of porn when I was a teenager or kid,

I would've felt more respected

and asked for what I wanted as a woman more.

The first time I asked a man for what I wanted in bed

was this year, and I'm 29 years old. Like, that's insane.

Porn is problematic, but it's not the problem.

Instead of blaming porn, which is what we're doing,

we're not taking porn and changing the narrative.

There is a healthy way that porn can be made and watched,

ranging from, like, amateur porn, Cindy Gallop, MakeLoveNotPorn,

or Erika Lust, an ethical feminist, but more equality type porn.

But the problem is, we're shoved so much of this tube porn

and the quantity of it down our throats,

you can't see anything else.

But there is so much more out there to explore.

Like sexuality, you should explore porn just the same.

-That's a banger! -That's a banger!

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