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So... 13 00:01:01,977 --> 00:01:03,775 It's not?! 14 00:01:09,974 --> 00:01:11,335 All right, let's go. 15 00:01:28,215 --> 00:01:32,853 Thank you and good evening. We're the Eagles from Los Angeles. 16 00:01:38,134 --> 00:01:40,173 1, 2, 3, 4. 17 00:01:57,093 --> 00:01:59,331 # Well, I'm running down the road 18 00:01:59,332 --> 00:02:00,853 # trying to loosen my load 19 00:02:00,854 --> 00:02:04,212 # I got seven women on my mind... # 20 00:02:04,213 --> 00:02:06,492 People are always saying things to me like, 21 00:02:06,493 --> 00:02:09,172 "You're just like a normal person". 22 00:02:09,173 --> 00:02:12,252 And I always say, "Of course!". 23 00:02:15,294 --> 00:02:16,573 All right! 24 00:02:22,612 --> 00:02:24,651 We might be a little more world-wise 25 00:02:24,652 --> 00:02:26,211 than some of those kids, that's all. 26 00:02:26,212 --> 00:02:28,730 We just maybe have less innocence than they do, but 27 00:02:28,731 --> 00:02:31,211 I eat, I sleep, I fall in love, I fall out of love, I work. 28 00:02:31,212 --> 00:02:33,171 I do pretty much the same thing. 29 00:02:33,172 --> 00:02:37,291 # You got your demons and you got desires 30 00:02:37,292 --> 00:02:40,772 # But I got a few of my own 31 00:02:42,331 --> 00:02:47,411 # Oooh someone to be kind to 32 00:02:47,412 --> 00:02:49,771 # in between the dark and the light 33 00:02:51,572 --> 00:02:55,211 # Oooh coming right behind you 34 00:02:55,212 --> 00:02:59,930 # Swear I'm gonna find you one of these nights! # 35 00:03:05,451 --> 00:03:08,890 We saw a poster of us when On the Border was made. 36 00:03:08,891 --> 00:03:13,648 Everybody looked like little kids, like, arly 20s and stuff. 37 00:03:13,649 --> 00:03:16,449 And everybody didn't have their wrinkles and baggy eyes. 38 00:03:16,450 --> 00:03:19,090 Sort of like a president when he first takes office. 39 00:03:20,130 --> 00:03:23,209 And then, like 4 or 5 years later, 40 00:03:23,210 --> 00:03:25,207 he just walks out, and his hair is grey, 41 00:03:25,208 --> 00:03:29,289 and his eyes are drooping, and he's just really real burned. 42 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:34,888 # Spent the last year Rocky Mountain way 43 00:03:34,889 --> 00:03:38,768 # Couldn't get much higher! # 44 00:03:38,769 --> 00:03:42,408 The first thing that happens is you get some kind of label, 45 00:03:42,409 --> 00:03:45,809 then you've got to live up to it, and then you just get caught in that, 46 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:49,089 and I forget what the second thing is! 47 00:03:50,729 --> 00:03:55,608 # You know I've always been a dreamer 48 00:03:55,609 --> 00:03:59,248 # Spend my life running round 49 00:03:59,249 --> 00:04:03,088 # And it's so hard to change 50 00:04:03,089 --> 00:04:05,286 It's hard. It's like living two lives. 51 00:04:05,287 --> 00:04:07,409 I have a family, 3 kids. 52 00:04:08,729 --> 00:04:11,927 And it's just hard to live in between that line 53 00:04:11,928 --> 00:04:15,169 of being out on the road and being away for a month. 54 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:19,607 # Keep on turning out and burning out 55 00:04:19,808 --> 00:04:25,567 # And turning out the same 56 00:04:25,568 --> 00:04:29,208 # So put me on a highway 57 00:04:29,209 --> 00:04:33,607 # And show me a sign 58 00:04:33,608 --> 00:04:37,127 # And take it to the limit 59 00:04:37,128 --> 00:04:39,928 # One more time. # 60 00:04:39,929 --> 00:04:42,405 Maybe we wouldn't want to do this any more, 61 00:04:42,406 --> 00:04:44,446 or maybe we can't do this any more, 62 00:04:44,447 --> 00:04:47,127 or maybe nobody will give a shit if we do this any more. 63 00:04:47,128 --> 00:04:49,807 # Take it to the limit 64 00:04:49,808 --> 00:04:54,528 # One more time. # 65 00:04:56,607 --> 00:04:58,567 Thank you. 66 00:05:08,806 --> 00:05:10,447 No, I insist. You first. 67 00:05:12,167 --> 00:05:13,845 Hi, there. 68 00:05:15,927 --> 00:05:17,365 Lock it up. 69 00:05:17,366 --> 00:05:20,006 A hearty bunch out there. He's not even here. Now lock it up. 70 00:05:20,007 --> 00:05:22,244 Hey, driver, lock 'em up for us tonight, ok? 71 00:05:22,245 --> 00:05:26,086 - Out of sight. / - You just don't know what those kids will do. 72 00:05:26,087 --> 00:05:27,927 Doggone. 73 00:05:33,805 --> 00:05:35,724 How about a beer? Is that what I heard? 74 00:05:35,725 --> 00:05:38,325 - You got it, brother. - Don't hurt yourself, young America. 75 00:05:40,247 --> 00:05:42,245 - Would you like one? - Yeah, I would like one. 76 00:05:42,246 --> 00:05:45,165 I'm gonna drink tonight. 77 00:05:45,166 --> 00:05:48,644 I think they feel like they're up there, 78 00:05:48,645 --> 00:05:50,445 like they're on the stage. 79 00:05:50,446 --> 00:05:52,843 Cos we look like them. We dress like them. 80 00:05:52,844 --> 00:05:54,843 Part of it is that, and part of it's the records. 81 00:05:54,844 --> 00:05:56,444 I think they just relate to the songs. 82 00:05:56,445 --> 00:05:59,044 I think it's 50/50, I guess. 83 00:05:59,045 --> 00:06:01,323 The thing is now is to try to see how long 84 00:06:01,324 --> 00:06:03,243 we can stay up here at the top of the mountain. 85 00:06:03,244 --> 00:06:05,524 It's very narrow and windy up here. 86 00:06:05,525 --> 00:06:09,762 We can probably continue doing what we're doing as long as the songs keep coming. 87 00:06:09,763 --> 00:06:11,522 That's the only thing that frightens us, 88 00:06:11,523 --> 00:06:13,603 is to not be able to do that any more. 89 00:06:13,604 --> 00:06:16,922 If we go to the well and nothing comes up, we would be in trouble. So far, so good. 90 00:06:16,923 --> 00:06:20,084 I think we can maintain this for a few more years. 91 00:06:20,085 --> 00:06:22,243 I don't see why not. 92 00:06:22,244 --> 00:06:25,002 Other people have. The Rolling Stones and the Who and the Led... 93 00:06:25,003 --> 00:06:29,043 and Led Zeppelin. I almost said THE Led Zeppelin! ...have done it. 94 00:06:29,044 --> 00:06:30,564 Chicago's done it. 95 00:06:33,204 --> 00:06:35,363 Groups last longer than they used to, you know? 96 00:06:40,802 --> 00:06:42,243 Shit don't float. 97 00:07:00,643 --> 00:07:04,283 90% of the time, being in the Eagles was a fucking blast. 98 00:07:05,603 --> 00:07:07,203 I was living the dream. 99 00:07:08,483 --> 00:07:10,722 # He was a hard-headed man 100 00:07:10,723 --> 00:07:12,521 # He was brutally handsome... # 101 00:07:12,522 --> 00:07:17,803 We never in our wildest dreams figured on being this successful and lasting this long. 102 00:07:17,804 --> 00:07:19,440 # She held him up... # 103 00:07:19,441 --> 00:07:22,282 We were a bunch of guys out there touring the country. 104 00:07:22,283 --> 00:07:26,841 We had a little private plane. We had parties after the shows. 105 00:07:26,842 --> 00:07:29,600 We had a good time. We were starting to make some money. 106 00:07:29,601 --> 00:07:33,320 # They took all the right pills They threw outrageous parties... # 107 00:07:33,321 --> 00:07:37,401 We had 3 guitar players finally, so we could rock a bit. 108 00:07:37,402 --> 00:07:42,720 So, it was a good time, a good time for me, a good time for Don. 109 00:07:42,721 --> 00:07:44,361 # Life in the fast lane 110 00:07:44,362 --> 00:07:46,000 # Surely make you lose your mind... # 111 00:07:46,001 --> 00:07:48,441 Everybody was really happy... 112 00:07:49,042 --> 00:07:50,921 then. 113 00:07:50,922 --> 00:07:53,239 # Life in the fast lane 114 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,360 # Everything, all the time 115 00:07:55,361 --> 00:07:57,120 # Life in the fast lane... # 116 00:07:57,121 --> 00:08:01,161 It was going really fast, and probably too fast. 117 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,518 There was turmoil within the band. 118 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:12,998 We put a lot of pressure on ourselves. 119 00:08:12,999 --> 00:08:15,321 As Glenn used to say, "We made it, and it ate us". 120 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,678 It's hard to be in a group. It's a bit like being in a marriage, 121 00:08:19,679 --> 00:08:22,281 if you quadruple it or quintuple it, in our case. 122 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,238 They asked Don when the Eagles broke up, "What was that like for you?" 123 00:08:28,239 --> 00:08:30,321 And he said it was a horrible relief. 124 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,720 And I think that clocks it pretty well. 125 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,237 You're a real pro, Don, all the way. 126 00:08:40,238 --> 00:08:42,238 Yeah, you are, too. The way you handle people. 127 00:08:42,239 --> 00:08:44,797 Except the people you pay, nobody gives a shit about it. 128 00:08:44,798 --> 00:08:48,159 Fuck you. I've been paying you for 7 years, you fuckhead. 129 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,361 So much stuff just happened. 130 00:08:51,599 --> 00:08:58,439 There's a philosopher who says, "As you live your life, 131 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,477 it appears to be 132 00:09:04,478 --> 00:09:10,197 anarchy and chaos and random events, 133 00:09:10,198 --> 00:09:15,037 non-related events smashing into each other 134 00:09:15,038 --> 00:09:17,638 and causing this situation". 135 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:23,037 And then... then this happens, and it's overwhelming, 136 00:09:23,038 --> 00:09:27,439 and it just looks like, "What in the world is going on?" 137 00:09:29,277 --> 00:09:33,757 And later, when you look back at it, 138 00:09:35,678 --> 00:09:38,518 it looks like a finely-crafted novel. 139 00:09:40,717 --> 00:09:44,437 But at the time, it don't! 140 00:09:45,956 --> 00:09:48,517 And a lot of the Eagles' story is like that. 141 00:09:51,397 --> 00:09:55,877 I'm gonna fuckin' kill you. I can't wait. I can't wait. 142 00:10:00,716 --> 00:10:02,837 We might as well start at the beginning. 143 00:10:07,156 --> 00:10:11,156 I grew up in Detroit, Michigan. My dad worked in a factory. 144 00:10:11,157 --> 00:10:13,955 My mother baked pies at General Motors. 145 00:10:13,956 --> 00:10:17,034 I started taking piano lessons when I was 5 years old. 146 00:10:17,035 --> 00:10:20,514 That alone could get you beat up after school in suburban Detroit. 147 00:10:20,515 --> 00:10:21,875 # And then she said... 148 00:10:21,876 --> 00:10:25,155 # Just because you've become a young man now 149 00:10:25,156 --> 00:10:28,954 # There's still some things that you don't understand... # 150 00:10:28,955 --> 00:10:32,675 Detroit was Motown, and so they played all the Motown hits. 151 00:10:32,676 --> 00:10:36,475 # Keep your freedom for as long as you can now 152 00:10:36,476 --> 00:10:39,995 # My momma told me, you'd better shop around.... # 153 00:10:39,996 --> 00:10:43,035 And that was the kind of stuff that we would listen to. 154 00:10:44,315 --> 00:10:47,272 I stopped playing piano when I was 12. It was too much. 155 00:10:47,273 --> 00:10:48,874 I wanted to do other things, 156 00:10:48,875 --> 00:10:52,474 and I think the girl thing was starting to happen, as well. 157 00:10:54,396 --> 00:10:55,833 Then the Beatles came along, 158 00:10:55,834 --> 00:10:59,635 and my aunt took me down to see the Beatles at the Olympia. 159 00:11:01,595 --> 00:11:03,033 It was crazy. 160 00:11:03,034 --> 00:11:05,994 I remember having a girl that was standing on her seat in front of me 161 00:11:05,995 --> 00:11:12,473 fall backwards into my arms, delirious, going, "Paul, Paul!". 162 00:11:12,474 --> 00:11:15,434 And I thought, "Oh, my God!". 163 00:11:15,435 --> 00:11:17,752 I have a very vivid memory of seeing the Beatles 164 00:11:17,753 --> 00:11:20,313 with my parents on our old Admiral TV set. 165 00:11:20,314 --> 00:11:21,792 It was like a bolt of lightning. 166 00:11:21,793 --> 00:11:24,511 It had a huge impact on me. It was revolutionary. 167 00:11:24,512 --> 00:11:27,072 And it was an impact that would last a lifetime, 168 00:11:27,073 --> 00:11:29,351 and I know that had a huge impact on Glenn, too, 169 00:11:29,352 --> 00:11:31,753 even though we didn't know each other at the time. 170 00:11:35,314 --> 00:11:40,513 Linden, Texas, is my hometown. It's a small town in North-eastern Texas. 171 00:11:40,514 --> 00:11:44,073 When I was growing up, the population was about 2,500, 2,600. 172 00:11:44,074 --> 00:11:48,752 # I can settle down... # 173 00:11:48,753 --> 00:11:50,911 It's primarily an agricultural area. 174 00:11:50,912 --> 00:11:53,311 Some people worked at the steel mill. 175 00:11:53,312 --> 00:11:55,552 It's just a typical small Texas town. 176 00:11:55,553 --> 00:11:59,992 There's an old courthouse dating back to before the Civil War 177 00:11:59,993 --> 00:12:01,432 and one stoplight. 178 00:12:01,433 --> 00:12:04,232 It's kind of like The Last Picture Show, you know? 179 00:12:06,273 --> 00:12:07,870 It was a great place musically, 180 00:12:07,871 --> 00:12:09,949 because it was kind of a cultural crossroads. 181 00:12:09,950 --> 00:12:13,272 It's really located where the old South begins to meet the West. 182 00:12:15,272 --> 00:12:19,631 Linden, Texas, was the birthplace of Scott Joplin and T-Bone Walker. 183 00:12:19,632 --> 00:12:22,471 # Yes, time is hard, baby... # 184 00:12:22,472 --> 00:12:26,873 Both my parents loved music, so we had a lot of records in the house. 185 00:12:26,874 --> 00:12:31,350 I was exposed to music of all kinds from an early age. 186 00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:35,431 Country and Western music, Western swing music, gospel music, Blues... 187 00:12:35,432 --> 00:12:38,871 Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, and Patsy Cline. 188 00:12:38,872 --> 00:12:40,029 # More, more, more 189 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:42,109 # Gonna live it up and tear it down 190 00:12:42,110 --> 00:12:44,150 # Get in the groove and paint the town 191 00:12:44,151 --> 00:12:46,268 # Got a lot of rhythm in my soul... # 192 00:12:46,269 --> 00:12:48,630 There was a 50,000-watt radio station in New Orleans, 193 00:12:48,631 --> 00:12:51,751 and I heard things on that station that I didn't hear anywhere else. 194 00:12:53,791 --> 00:12:55,831 So, I had a lot of radio coming in. 195 00:12:58,751 --> 00:13:00,349 And when I would go to work with my dad, 196 00:13:00,350 --> 00:13:03,831 he would listen to a station in Shreveport, Louisiana. KWKH. 197 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:09,670 # Say, hey, good lookin! 198 00:13:09,671 --> 00:13:12,749 # What you got cookin? 199 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:15,789 # How's about cooking something up for me? # 200 00:13:15,790 --> 00:13:19,748 And that station broadcast a radio show called the Louisiana Hayride, 201 00:13:19,749 --> 00:13:23,630 where Elvis Presley made his first radio broadcast in 1954. 202 00:13:23,631 --> 00:13:26,069 # Well, that's alright, Mama 203 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:28,148 # That's alright with you 204 00:13:28,149 --> 00:13:30,468 # That's alright, Mama 205 00:13:30,469 --> 00:13:32,508 # Just any way you do 206 00:13:32,509 --> 00:13:34,589 # That's alright 207 00:13:34,590 --> 00:13:36,468 # That's alright... # 208 00:13:36,469 --> 00:13:40,149 The very first rock 'n' roll record I bought was by Elvis Presley. 209 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:44,308 # Anyway you do... # 210 00:13:44,309 --> 00:13:46,669 My playing the drums was sort of an organic process. 211 00:13:46,670 --> 00:13:50,548 I began by beating on my school books with my fingers 212 00:13:50,549 --> 00:13:52,028 and with pencils. 213 00:13:52,029 --> 00:13:53,546 I would beat out little cadences, 214 00:13:53,547 --> 00:13:56,347 and I used to drive my classmates crazy doing that, until, I think, 215 00:13:56,348 --> 00:13:57,746 one day, somebody said to me - 216 00:13:57,747 --> 00:13:59,787 I think it was my friend Richard Bowden - he said, 217 00:13:59,788 --> 00:14:02,746 "Why don't you just start playing the drums?" 218 00:14:02,747 --> 00:14:05,546 I managed to cobble together a drum kit from old drums 219 00:14:05,547 --> 00:14:08,626 that I found stashed in the back of the band hall at high school. 220 00:14:08,627 --> 00:14:11,706 And then one day, my mom said, "Come on, get in the car". 221 00:14:11,707 --> 00:14:14,186 And she drove me to a town about an hour and a half away 222 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:17,628 called Sulphur Springs, Texas, to McKay Music Company. 223 00:14:17,629 --> 00:14:19,347 Much to my surprise, 224 00:14:19,348 --> 00:14:22,188 she bought me a set of red-sparkle Slingerland drums 225 00:14:22,189 --> 00:14:24,747 that I still have today. 226 00:14:24,748 --> 00:14:27,105 So, I have to give my parents a lot of credit. 227 00:14:27,106 --> 00:14:28,506 They bought me that drum kit 228 00:14:28,507 --> 00:14:30,469 even though they couldn't really afford it. 229 00:14:34,706 --> 00:14:37,585 The first band I was in was a band with my high-school buddy 230 00:14:37,586 --> 00:14:40,946 Richard Bowden and another high-school friend, Jerry Surratt, 231 00:14:40,947 --> 00:14:45,448 and we played Dixieland jazz music. Nobody sang. We just played music. 232 00:14:52,787 --> 00:14:55,104 I went to a high-school party, and there were 4 kids 233 00:14:55,105 --> 00:14:57,345 who were freshmen in high school who were playing. 234 00:14:57,346 --> 00:15:00,000 I was a junior, and I had a couple beers that night and said, 235 00:15:00,001 --> 00:15:04,185 "Hey, do you know Satisfaction? Cos I can sing it". 236 00:15:04,186 --> 00:15:06,508 So, I became the lead singer of the Subterraneans. 237 00:15:06,509 --> 00:15:08,906 # And I try and I try 238 00:15:08,907 --> 00:15:11,426 # And I try... # 239 00:15:11,427 --> 00:15:13,584 I played in the Subterraneans for a while, 240 00:15:13,585 --> 00:15:16,223 and then I played in another band called the Mushrooms. 241 00:15:16,224 --> 00:15:18,224 The most important thing that happened to me 242 00:15:18,225 --> 00:15:20,505 when I was in Detroit was I met Bob Seger. 243 00:15:23,626 --> 00:15:25,944 # Yeah 244 00:15:25,945 --> 00:15:29,065 # I'm gonna tell my tale, come on! # 245 00:15:29,066 --> 00:15:30,904 He took me under his wing. 246 00:15:30,905 --> 00:15:34,104 He invited me to recording sessions that he was having, 247 00:15:34,105 --> 00:15:36,185 so I could see how records were made. 248 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:37,945 I was his mentor. 249 00:15:37,946 --> 00:15:40,705 He was just so young, and I liked him right away 250 00:15:40,706 --> 00:15:42,465 because he was so funny. 251 00:15:42,466 --> 00:15:46,424 He had a great sense of humour, and, like me, 252 00:15:46,425 --> 00:15:51,342 I could see he was really ambitious. He really wanted to be on the radio. 253 00:15:51,343 --> 00:15:53,663 He cut a song called Ramblin' Gamblin' Man. 254 00:15:53,664 --> 00:15:56,304 He let me play acoustic guitar on the basic track 255 00:15:56,305 --> 00:15:58,144 and sing background vocals. 256 00:15:58,145 --> 00:16:01,023 # Ramblin' man 257 00:16:01,024 --> 00:16:04,104 # A gamblin' man... # 258 00:16:04,105 --> 00:16:06,864 You can really hear Glenn blurt out on the first chorus. 259 00:16:06,865 --> 00:16:10,463 He comes out really loud. Tremendous gusto. 260 00:16:10,464 --> 00:16:14,542 Of course, that was a national hit for us, so that was really cool. 261 00:16:14,543 --> 00:16:18,143 Bob was the first guy that wrote his own songs and recorded them 262 00:16:18,144 --> 00:16:19,342 that I had ever met. 263 00:16:19,343 --> 00:16:21,102 He said, "if you want to make it, 264 00:16:21,103 --> 00:16:23,061 you're gonna have to write your own songs". 265 00:16:23,062 --> 00:16:24,781 And I said, "What if they're bad?". 266 00:16:24,782 --> 00:16:26,582 And he said, They're gonna be bad". 267 00:16:26,583 --> 00:16:28,743 He says, "You just keep writing and keep writing, 268 00:16:28,744 --> 00:16:32,103 and eventually, you'll write a good song". 269 00:16:32,104 --> 00:16:33,941 We were gonna have a band together. 270 00:16:33,942 --> 00:16:35,581 He was gonna get rid of his other guys, 271 00:16:35,582 --> 00:16:37,702 and I was gonna be his bass player. 272 00:16:37,703 --> 00:16:39,823 It didn't work out. 273 00:16:39,824 --> 00:16:42,381 My mom found me smoking pot with a friend of mine 274 00:16:42,382 --> 00:16:45,344 in somebody's basement, and she called up Seger's manager, 275 00:16:45,345 --> 00:16:49,982 Punch Andrews, and said, "Just a minute, not so fast". 276 00:16:52,862 --> 00:16:54,902 In the years leading up to the Great Depression, 277 00:16:54,903 --> 00:16:57,060 my dad had to quit school after the eighth grade. 278 00:16:57,061 --> 00:16:59,821 He had to go home and work in the fields with his brother and sister 279 00:16:59,822 --> 00:17:01,301 to help support the family. 280 00:17:01,302 --> 00:17:03,500 His fondest wish, in fact, his life's goal, 281 00:17:03,501 --> 00:17:05,223 was that I would go to college. 282 00:17:06,942 --> 00:17:09,460 Every Saturday night, he would bring home 7 quarters, 283 00:17:09,461 --> 00:17:12,820 and we'd put them in a piggy bank, and when those quarters 284 00:17:12,821 --> 00:17:15,780 amounted to 100, he would take me to the bank 285 00:17:15,781 --> 00:17:19,940 and we would buy a savings bond, a United States savings bond, 286 00:17:19,941 --> 00:17:22,581 and put that away for my college education. 287 00:17:24,141 --> 00:17:27,219 So, between what my dad had saved and between what I was making 288 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:29,621 doing gigs all over Texas and Arkansas and Louisiana 289 00:17:29,622 --> 00:17:34,019 on weekends, I paid for 3 and a half years of college. 290 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:37,781 They have a world-famous music department in which I did not excel. 291 00:17:37,782 --> 00:17:39,419 I took one music course. 292 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:42,780 I think it was beginning theory, and I flunked. 293 00:17:42,781 --> 00:17:44,180 I made an "F". 294 00:17:44,181 --> 00:17:46,941 But I didn't really care because I was an English major. 295 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:57,381 After the Mushrooms, I got invited to join this band 296 00:17:57,382 --> 00:17:59,260 called the Four of Us. 297 00:17:59,261 --> 00:18:02,338 Started getting into some of the California bands - 298 00:18:02,339 --> 00:18:05,260 the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, the Beach Boys. 299 00:18:05,261 --> 00:18:07,699 Always wanted to go to California. 300 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:10,218 And I got out there, my mind was blown. 301 00:18:10,219 --> 00:18:12,499 The vegetation - I'd never seen palm trees. 302 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,780 It was just like a dream come true. 303 00:18:14,781 --> 00:18:17,939 # So you want to be a rock'n'roll star? 304 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:21,378 # Then listen now to what I say 305 00:18:21,379 --> 00:18:23,898 # Just get an electric guitar... 306 00:18:23,899 --> 00:18:27,978 The first celebrity I saw was David Crosby. 307 00:18:27,979 --> 00:18:31,419 # And when your hair's combed right and your pants fit tight 308 00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:34,258 # It's gonna be all right... 309 00:18:34,259 --> 00:18:36,817 And he had on that flat-brimmed hat that he wore 310 00:18:36,818 --> 00:18:39,817 on the second Byrds album, and he had a little leather cape on, 311 00:18:39,738 --> 00:18:44,059 and I just looked and I thought, "My God, there's David Crosby". 312 00:18:44,140 --> 00:18:46,658 Zoom, and we went right by. 313 00:18:46,659 --> 00:18:50,138 # And in a week or two if you make the charts 314 00:18:50,139 --> 00:18:53,938 # The girls'll tear you apart... # 315 00:18:53,939 --> 00:18:56,616 And the first person I met was John David Souther. 316 00:18:56,617 --> 00:18:58,977 We wanted to get high and play music. 317 00:18:58,978 --> 00:19:00,776 There were two of us with guitars. 318 00:19:00,777 --> 00:19:04,056 We were listening to a lot of that sort of interface between 319 00:19:04,057 --> 00:19:06,495 rock 'n' roll and country and western music that was 320 00:19:06,496 --> 00:19:09,458 happening in Southern California at the time with the Byrds 321 00:19:09,459 --> 00:19:13,298 and Dillard & Clark and the Burrito Brothers and Poco. 322 00:19:13,299 --> 00:19:16,897 # When I last saw you 323 00:19:16,898 --> 00:19:20,898 # I couldn't find a reason why 324 00:19:20,899 --> 00:19:24,337 # I felt kind of blue... # 325 00:19:24,338 --> 00:19:27,815 There was a lot of great music of that sort going around then. 326 00:19:27,816 --> 00:19:29,216 Longbranch Pennywhistle here. 327 00:19:29,217 --> 00:19:32,014 I suppose you wonder what that name meant, and John David and I - 328 00:19:32,015 --> 00:19:34,858 It was a well-kept spring back funky women. 329 00:19:34,859 --> 00:19:37,535 The songs weren't very good. 330 00:19:37,536 --> 00:19:40,337 I don't think Glenn and I were very far along as songwriters then. 331 00:19:40,338 --> 00:19:43,096 # Run, boy, run 332 00:19:43,097 --> 00:19:46,097 # You gotta move... # 333 00:19:46,098 --> 00:19:48,495 We were a funny little group, but we got gigs. 334 00:19:48,496 --> 00:19:51,697 We managed to play in some of the folk clubs around LA: 335 00:19:51,698 --> 00:19:54,977 the Golden Bear and the Ash Grove. 336 00:20:00,001 --> 00:20:02,336 # Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah 337 00:20:02,337 --> 00:20:06,055 # What condition my condition was in... 338 00:20:06,056 --> 00:20:10,455 We had a chance meeting with Kenny Rogers in Dallas, Texas, one day. 339 00:20:10,456 --> 00:20:12,614 He was coming through town with the First Edition. 340 00:20:12,615 --> 00:20:14,374 They were very hot at the time. 341 00:20:14,375 --> 00:20:17,694 # I tripped on a cloud and fell-a 8 miles high... # 342 00:20:17,695 --> 00:20:20,134 I remember this like it was yesterday. 343 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,893 This little kid came up and said, "Mr Rogers", he said, 344 00:20:22,894 --> 00:20:26,094 "I'm Don Henley, and I'm with a group called Felicity, 345 00:20:26,095 --> 00:20:30,013 and we're doing a show tonight, and we'd love to have you come see us". 346 00:20:30,014 --> 00:20:32,736 And I said, "I'm really sorry, but I don't do that. 347 00:20:32,737 --> 00:20:35,895 I don't just go to clubs and watch groups." 348 00:20:35,896 --> 00:20:38,333 He said, "I really think you'd like us". 349 00:20:38,334 --> 00:20:41,575 And I thought, "That's pretty cool", so I did. 350 00:20:41,576 --> 00:20:45,254 # From the minute that I met you, baby 351 00:20:45,255 --> 00:20:48,133 # You were hanging your chains on me 352 00:20:48,134 --> 00:20:50,574 # And I loved you so 353 00:20:50,255 --> 00:20:55,053 # I nearly lost my mind... # 354 00:20:55,374 --> 00:20:58,892 Kenny is a Texas boy, and he was looking for groups to produce. 355 00:20:58,893 --> 00:21:00,332 So, I brought them to LA, 356 00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:04,214 and they literally lived at my house for about 4 months. 357 00:21:05,654 --> 00:21:07,494 We changed their name to Shiloh. 358 00:21:07,495 --> 00:21:10,773 It was so much fun to take them into the studio. 359 00:21:10,774 --> 00:21:17,612 # Well, thank you Mr Big Time Music Business Man 360 00:21:17,613 --> 00:21:22,373 # for taking time to listen to my song... 361 00:21:22,374 --> 00:21:25,091 With Shiloh, we made one album, and it had a single called 362 00:21:25,092 --> 00:21:28,493 "Simple Little Down Home Rock and Roll Love Song for Rosie". 363 00:21:28,494 --> 00:21:30,292 Not exactly a short title! 364 00:21:30,293 --> 00:21:32,214 # Just a simple little down home 365 00:21:32,215 --> 00:21:36,173 # rock and roll love song for Rosie... # 366 00:21:36,174 --> 00:21:38,812 We didn't know much about the business at that point. 367 00:21:38,813 --> 00:21:39,973 We were pretty naive. 368 00:21:39,974 --> 00:21:43,893 # Going down to the swamp river country some day... # 369 00:21:43,894 --> 00:21:46,291 We kicked around in the LA clubs for a while, 370 00:21:46,292 --> 00:21:51,090 played the Whisky, played some of the clubs down in the South Bay area, 371 00:21:51,091 --> 00:21:53,293 and nothing really happened for us. 372 00:21:56,213 --> 00:21:59,732 JD and I were looking for any place to play. 373 00:21:59,733 --> 00:22:01,690 We had heard about this guy Jackson Browne. 374 00:22:01,691 --> 00:22:03,773 He'd been playing the same clubs we had, 375 00:22:03,774 --> 00:22:06,211 but we never had seen him perform. 376 00:22:06,212 --> 00:22:09,890 - This is California. Mr Jackson Browne. - Ah, thank you, thank you. 377 00:22:09,891 --> 00:22:12,930 'Then there were a bunch of gigs that they had and some gigs that I had' 378 00:22:12,931 --> 00:22:14,691 that they would show up at my gigs 379 00:22:14,692 --> 00:22:17,530 and me at their gigs, and we became really good friends. 380 00:22:17,531 --> 00:22:21,931 And we'd start talking about, "Where do you live, and what's going on?". 381 00:22:21,932 --> 00:22:26,451 And Jackson said, "You should come down to Echo Park. 382 00:22:26,452 --> 00:22:28,331 Rent's real cheap". 383 00:22:28,332 --> 00:22:31,410 Glenn got the apartment next to my apartment, 384 00:22:31,411 --> 00:22:36,130 and this apartment cost like 125 or something a month. 385 00:22:36,131 --> 00:22:39,009 And I needed to economize, so I moved into the basement 386 00:22:39,010 --> 00:22:42,688 underneath Glenn's place, which I could get into for 35 a month. 387 00:22:42,689 --> 00:22:46,008 It only had one door. It was really just kind of an illegal place, 388 00:22:46,009 --> 00:22:49,210 just a cubby-hole, and that's where Jackson lived, 389 00:22:49,211 --> 00:22:52,729 with JD and I above. That was it. 390 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:58,009 There was a stereo, a piano, a bed, a guitar, you know, a teapot. 391 00:23:01,210 --> 00:23:06,169 We slept late in those days, except around 9 o'clock in the morning, 392 00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:09,048 I'd hear Jackson Browne's teapot going off, 393 00:23:09,049 --> 00:23:10,731 this whistle in the distance. 394 00:23:10,732 --> 00:23:14,008 And then I'd hear him playing piano. 395 00:23:14,009 --> 00:23:16,050 I didn't really know how to write songs. 396 00:23:16,051 --> 00:23:20,248 I knew I wanted to write songs, but I didn't know exactly: 397 00:23:20,249 --> 00:23:24,528 you just wait around for inspiration, what was the deal? 398 00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:28,288 I learned through Jackson's ceiling 399 00:23:28,289 --> 00:23:31,770 and my floor exactly how to write songs 'cos Jackson would get up, 400 00:23:31,771 --> 00:23:35,168 and he'd play the first verse and first chorus, 401 00:23:35,169 --> 00:23:40,008 and he'd play it 20 times until he had it just the way he wanted. 402 00:23:40,009 --> 00:23:41,729 And then there'd be silence. 403 00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:44,807 And then I'd hear the teapot go off again. 404 00:23:44,808 --> 00:23:47,048 Then it'd be quiet for 10 or 20 minutes. 405 00:23:47,049 --> 00:23:49,286 Then I'd hear him start to play again, 406 00:23:49,287 --> 00:23:51,007 and there was the second verse. 407 00:23:51,008 --> 00:23:54,486 So, then he'd work on the second verse, and he'd play it 20 times. 408 00:23:54,487 --> 00:23:56,806 And then he'd go back to the top of the song, 409 00:23:56,807 --> 00:24:00,126 and he'd play the first verse, the first chorus and the second verse 410 00:24:00,127 --> 00:24:03,407 another 20 times until he was really comfortable with it and 411 00:24:03,408 --> 00:24:07,369 change a word here or there, and I'm up there going, 412 00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:09,287 "So, that's how you do it". 413 00:24:09,288 --> 00:24:15,567 Elbow grease, time, thought, persistence. 414 00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:27,767 # Doctor, my eyes have seen the years 415 00:24:27,768 --> 00:24:30,526 # And the slow parade of fears 416 00:24:30,527 --> 00:24:32,567 # Without crying... 417 00:24:32,568 --> 00:24:33,926 I wanted to kill him sometimes. 418 00:24:33,927 --> 00:24:38,206 Jackson would play the same phrase from Doctor, My Eyes for 6 weeks. 419 00:24:38,207 --> 00:24:41,246 The same thing with The Pretender. I just wanted to murder him. 420 00:24:41,247 --> 00:24:46,206 # Doctor, my eyes... # 421 00:24:46,207 --> 00:24:48,765 And it was during that period of time that I met Glenn Frey 422 00:24:48,766 --> 00:24:51,645 because we were on the same label, called Amos Records. 423 00:24:51,646 --> 00:24:53,364 Some of the things that struck me 424 00:24:53,365 --> 00:24:56,044 when I first met Glenn were things we had in common. 425 00:24:56,045 --> 00:25:00,000 Both of our dads made a living in the automotive industry. 426 00:25:00,001 --> 00:25:02,446 Glenn and I loved old cars, especially cars from the '50s. 427 00:25:02,447 --> 00:25:05,485 He had a '55 Chevy that he named Gladys. 428 00:25:05,486 --> 00:25:09,525 And we drove around Los Angeles in Gladys. 429 00:25:09,526 --> 00:25:10,924 Check out the new talent. 430 00:25:10,925 --> 00:25:13,363 There's no better place in town to catch those new singers 431 00:25:13,364 --> 00:25:15,803 and songwriters than down at the Monday night Hoot Night, 432 00:25:15,804 --> 00:25:18,483 Doug Weston's world-famous Troubadour, happening tonight. 433 00:25:18,484 --> 00:25:22,124 The Troubadour club was the centre of the musical universe. 434 00:25:22,125 --> 00:25:25,165 It was a very seminal place. It was the place to see and be seen. 435 00:25:26,445 --> 00:25:28,563 Every Monday night they had an open stage. 436 00:25:28,644 --> 00:25:30,046 It was called Hoot Night. 437 00:25:33,524 --> 00:25:36,205 The Troubadour was the place to go if you were young 438 00:25:36,206 --> 00:25:40,804 and happening and trying to get involved in the music scene. 439 00:25:40,805 --> 00:25:42,644 It was happening there. 440 00:25:42,645 --> 00:25:44,082 # California 441 00:25:44,083 --> 00:25:46,643 # Oh, California 442 00:25:46,644 --> 00:25:49,923 # I'm coming home 443 00:25:49,924 --> 00:25:52,803 # Oh, make me feel good rock'n'roll band 444 00:25:52,804 --> 00:25:54,124 # I'm your biggest fan 445 00:25:54,125 --> 00:25:58,443 # California, I'm coming home. # 446 00:25:58,444 --> 00:26:00,445 I saw a lot of great acts at the Troubadour. 447 00:26:00,446 --> 00:26:04,883 # So far away 448 00:26:04,884 --> 00:26:12,082 # Doesn't anybody stay in one place any more? 449 00:26:12,083 --> 00:26:15,884 # It would be so fine to see your face... # 450 00:26:15,885 --> 00:26:20,283 I witnessed Elton John's American debut performance in 1970. 451 00:26:22,564 --> 00:26:27,723 # And it's good old country comfort in my bones 452 00:26:29,643 --> 00:26:34,122 # Just the sweetest sound my ears have ever known... # 453 00:26:34,123 --> 00:26:36,883 Everybody who was anybody at the time played at the Troubadour. 454 00:26:39,203 --> 00:26:40,240 Of course, Linda, 455 00:26:40,241 --> 00:26:43,883 she still has one of my favourite voices in the business, ever. 456 00:26:43,884 --> 00:26:49,122 # Feeling better now we're through 457 00:26:49,123 --> 00:26:54,082 # Feeling better cos I'm over you... 458 00:26:54,083 --> 00:26:57,441 The Troubadour is really responsible for the entire music scene. 459 00:26:57,442 --> 00:27:00,762 Everything I got, really, was virtually through either 460 00:27:00,763 --> 00:27:04,360 performing there onstage or in the bar, you know? 461 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:06,801 # I'm telling you now, baby 462 00:27:06,802 --> 00:27:09,041 # and I'm going my way... 463 00:27:09,042 --> 00:27:11,319 I was just started managing Linda then, 464 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,959 and Linda was going to be a star. hat voice as big as a house. 465 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,799 There wasn't anybody in the room 466 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,842 that cared about anything but that voice. 467 00:27:18,843 --> 00:27:22,481 # I'm gonna say it again... # 468 00:27:22,482 --> 00:27:24,319 One night, we're down at the Troubadour, 469 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,961 and John Boylan comes to me - he's managing Linda Ronstadt - 470 00:27:26,962 --> 00:27:29,920 and he says, "I'm taking Linda on the road. 471 00:27:29,921 --> 00:27:33,801 We need guys who can sing. You want to play rhythm guitar and sing?". 472 00:27:33,802 --> 00:27:36,801 I offered him 250 a week, and he took it. 473 00:27:39,921 --> 00:27:42,239 I went back to him, I said, 474 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,119 "Can you give me some of that money right now?". 475 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,958 I think he gave me 50 bucks. 476 00:27:46,959 --> 00:27:50,119 And then I found Don from this band called Shiloh. 477 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,000 I heard him playing at the Troubadour. 478 00:27:52,001 --> 00:27:56,400 # I'm coming down... # 479 00:27:56,401 --> 00:28:00,278 I was looking for a job. Glenn introduced me to John Boylan. 480 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,638 I auditioned at this little house in Laurel Canyon. 481 00:28:02,639 --> 00:28:05,278 I had listened to her album hundreds of times, 482 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,798 so I knew the songs backwards and forwards, 483 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,000 and I guess I passed the audition, because I got the job. 484 00:28:11,001 --> 00:28:14,599 # I got a feeling called the blues Oh, Lord 485 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,558 # Since my baby said good-bye 486 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,199 # And I don't know what I'll do 487 00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:24,479 # All I do is sit and cry Oh, Lord 488 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,958 # I've grown so used to him somehow 489 00:28:27,959 --> 00:28:31,718 # But I'm nobody's sugar momma now 490 00:28:31,719 --> 00:28:34,157 # And I'm lonesome 491 00:28:34,158 --> 00:28:38,878 # Got the lovesick blues. # 492 00:28:38,879 --> 00:28:40,518 I learned a lot from Linda. 493 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,597 It was a very formative experience for me. 494 00:28:42,598 --> 00:28:45,037 And she could hang with the guys. 495 00:28:45,038 --> 00:28:48,478 She could drink tequila with the rest of us and hold her own. 496 00:28:48,479 --> 00:28:55,118 # Saving nickels, saving dimes... # 497 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,516 It was really very ad hoc. 498 00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:59,156 We had a station wagon, put the gear in the back. 499 00:28:59,157 --> 00:29:02,997 We'd all get in it and drive to the college and play there. 500 00:29:02,998 --> 00:29:05,996 As a cost-cutting measure, band members had to share 501 00:29:05,997 --> 00:29:08,995 rooms in those days, so Glenn and I were roommates. 502 00:29:08,996 --> 00:29:11,835 - What did you guys eat? - I had a bowl of Rice Krispies. 503 00:29:11,836 --> 00:29:14,317 Ladies and gentlemen, Linda Ronstadt. 504 00:29:19,917 --> 00:29:23,116 It's funny. I seem to get people at a critical stage in their development 505 00:29:23,117 --> 00:29:24,395 and they build their chops. 506 00:29:24,396 --> 00:29:28,237 There's nothing that gets your chops up better than playing every single night. 507 00:29:28,238 --> 00:29:31,437 # If the same thing happened to everybody 508 00:29:31,438 --> 00:29:34,156 # That just happened to me... # 509 00:29:34,157 --> 00:29:37,915 Linda and John Boylan really like the way Henley and I play, 510 00:29:37,916 --> 00:29:41,836 really like the way we sing with her, and they start to get 511 00:29:41,837 --> 00:29:45,676 a vision of putting together a super group to back up Linda - 512 00:29:45,677 --> 00:29:49,035 the best of the new country-rock musicians, 513 00:29:49,036 --> 00:29:51,475 and we were going to be part of it. 514 00:29:51,476 --> 00:29:53,515 I remember talking with Don, and Don said, 515 00:29:53,516 --> 00:29:56,996 "You know, I'd rather, like, just be in a band with you". 516 00:29:58,076 --> 00:30:00,000 And I said, 517 00:30:00,001 --> 00:30:03,317 "Yes, me too. I'd rather just be in a band with you." 518 00:30:08,196 --> 00:30:10,713 So, we went to Linda and said, 519 00:30:10,714 --> 00:30:14,154 "We really appreciate everything you've done for us, and it means 520 00:30:14,155 --> 00:30:18,236 a lot, and we love playing with you, but we'd like to have our own band". 521 00:30:18,237 --> 00:30:26,237 # If you won't be with me someday... 522 00:30:27,235 --> 00:30:29,553 I think a lot of people 523 00:30:29,554 --> 00:30:31,912 could get miffed by that, say, "Wait a second. 524 00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:33,513 I brought you out here, you know. 525 00:30:33,514 --> 00:30:36,193 I gave you a paying job when you couldn't afford 526 00:30:36,194 --> 00:30:40,234 your own drinks at the Troubadour bar, and now you want to quit?". 527 00:30:40,235 --> 00:30:43,754 # Smile... # 528 00:30:43,755 --> 00:30:48,754 Linda was extremely gracious about the whole thing, as was John Boylan. 529 00:30:48,755 --> 00:30:51,912 They weren't resentful or bitter at all. They were great. 530 00:30:51,913 --> 00:30:54,275 They were supportive, as a matter of fact. 531 00:30:54,276 --> 00:30:57,473 # There you go and baby 532 00:30:57,474 --> 00:30:59,912 # Here am I 533 00:30:59,913 --> 00:31:02,073 # Well you left me here 534 00:31:02,074 --> 00:31:06,273 # So I could sit and cry... # 535 00:31:06,274 --> 00:31:09,152 They started talking about putting a band together, 536 00:31:09,153 --> 00:31:12,031 and we told them they should get Bernie Leadon. 537 00:31:12,032 --> 00:31:15,311 I was in several bands in LA early on, I met Linda. 538 00:31:15,312 --> 00:31:17,234 Then I worked with Dillard & Clark - 539 00:31:17,235 --> 00:31:21,392 Doug Dillard, banjo player, and Gene Clark from the Byrds. 540 00:31:21,393 --> 00:31:24,671 And so, now I'm in an offshoot of the Byrds world, 541 00:31:24,672 --> 00:31:28,430 and then that turned into an invitation from the Burrito Brothers 542 00:31:28,431 --> 00:31:32,633 from Chris Hillman to come join them for their second album on A&M. 543 00:31:32,634 --> 00:31:36,272 # Since we got the older guys to show us how 544 00:31:36,273 --> 00:31:39,833 # I don't see why we can't stop right now... # 545 00:31:39,834 --> 00:31:43,070 And I was still in the Burritos, but they had lost Gram Parsons, 546 00:31:43,071 --> 00:31:46,633 and it had changed, and I wasn't that interested any more. 547 00:31:49,512 --> 00:31:51,750 Bernie was a very accomplished banjo player, 548 00:31:51,751 --> 00:31:55,271 and he could also play guitar in what we called the Bindi lick style. 549 00:31:55,272 --> 00:31:58,470 It was pioneered by a fellow named Clarence White. 550 00:31:58,471 --> 00:32:01,191 And then Glenn told me about this guy named Randy Meisner who 551 00:32:01,192 --> 00:32:03,029 had been in a band called Poco. 552 00:32:03,030 --> 00:32:06,110 Randy could sing really high, and he also played bass. 553 00:32:06,111 --> 00:32:08,870 # It's a good morning and I'm feeling fine... # 554 00:32:08,871 --> 00:32:10,950 So, Glenn just kind of asked me one day 555 00:32:10,951 --> 00:32:13,951 if I'd be interested in starting a group with him. 556 00:32:13,952 --> 00:32:19,711 And he had Henley and Bernie. That was the first Eagles. 557 00:32:21,192 --> 00:32:24,589 So, the plan was that Glenn and I would try to recruit Bernie 558 00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:27,832 and Randy, and then we would all go to David Geffen and see 559 00:32:27,833 --> 00:32:30,750 if he would give us a recording contract. 560 00:32:30,751 --> 00:32:34,231 In the '70s, Asylum Records was considered the LA sound - 561 00:32:34,232 --> 00:32:37,311 Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, 562 00:32:37,312 --> 00:32:38,510 Jackson Browne. 563 00:32:38,511 --> 00:32:42,711 David Geffen, who started Asylum, is our patron, you know. 564 00:32:42,712 --> 00:32:46,630 A Medici, Medici of rock'n'roll. 565 00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:48,929 It's a very artist-oriented company, and 566 00:32:48,931 --> 00:32:51,268 whatever they want to do, we support them. 567 00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:53,188 If we believe in them, we'll stick with them, 568 00:32:53,189 --> 00:32:55,067 whether they make it or not. 569 00:32:55,068 --> 00:32:57,631 Jackson was our conduit to David Geffen. 570 00:32:57,632 --> 00:32:59,989 He was the first guy to get signed 571 00:32:59,990 --> 00:33:02,428 by Geffen's new Asylum Records label. 572 00:33:02,429 --> 00:33:05,430 So, we all walk in Geffen's office, and we basically said, 573 00:33:05,431 --> 00:33:06,709 "Here we are". 574 00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:10,109 Bernie Leadon just boldly says to Geffen, 575 00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:12,668 "Well, do you want us or not?". 576 00:33:12,669 --> 00:33:14,949 They were dying to sign with me. 577 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:17,508 I think they were very ambitious, particularly Glenn. 578 00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:19,349 Glenn wanted to have a hit band. 579 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:21,268 I loved the way Don sang. 580 00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:23,028 We all had hopes for it. 581 00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:25,786 All of a sudden, we were signed to Geffen's new label. 582 00:33:25,787 --> 00:33:27,426 They sent us back to the drawing board. 583 00:33:27,427 --> 00:33:29,787 They said, "You guys need to go and rehearse some more." 584 00:33:29,788 --> 00:33:31,727 They said, "You need to write some songs. 585 00:33:31,728 --> 00:33:34,329 You're not really ready to record yet". 586 00:33:36,828 --> 00:33:39,186 So, they packed us off to Aspen, Colorado. 587 00:33:39,187 --> 00:33:40,427 It could have been worse. 588 00:33:40,428 --> 00:33:44,148 There were people who were way higher than any of us had ever been. 589 00:33:46,228 --> 00:33:50,027 It was a Wild West wide-open town at that point. 590 00:33:55,668 --> 00:33:58,305 We played at a club up there called The Gallery, 591 00:33:58,306 --> 00:34:00,708 which was located right at the foot of Aspen Mountain. 592 00:34:00,709 --> 00:34:02,306 # Tryin' 593 00:34:02,307 --> 00:34:05,028 # Got to keep on tryin' 594 00:34:06,468 --> 00:34:08,348 # Tryin'... # 595 00:34:09,789 --> 00:34:12,785 We didn't have a big catalogue of our own tunes at that point. 596 00:34:12,786 --> 00:34:14,508 We were just getting started. 597 00:34:17,307 --> 00:34:20,067 We needed to learn how to play together as a band, and we did. 598 00:34:20,068 --> 00:34:23,266 # The moon is a weeper 599 00:34:23,267 --> 00:34:26,666 # The sun is your clown 600 00:34:26,667 --> 00:34:29,626 # And his way of lovin' 601 00:34:29,627 --> 00:34:32,987 # Is holdin' you down... # 602 00:34:35,067 --> 00:34:37,505 And then it was like, "OK, we need to make a record. 603 00:34:37,506 --> 00:34:39,385 Who are we going to get to produce it?". 604 00:34:39,386 --> 00:34:41,467 We wanted to shoot as high as we could. 605 00:34:41,468 --> 00:34:45,066 Glenn Frey came up with Glyn Johns as an idea. 606 00:34:45,067 --> 00:34:49,386 Glyn Johns was a name that kept popping up on records we loved. 607 00:34:51,866 --> 00:34:54,665 The first time I heard them was in Aspen. 608 00:34:54,666 --> 00:34:57,765 I was not at all impressed, really. 609 00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:04,504 I thought they were confused. 610 00:35:04,505 --> 00:35:08,185 Glenn Frey wanted to be in a rock'n'roll band, 611 00:35:08,186 --> 00:35:11,344 and Bernie Leadon, on the other side, was one of the greatest 612 00:35:11,345 --> 00:35:13,905 acoustic players, country players, if you like. 613 00:35:13,906 --> 00:35:16,585 And there was a bit of a confusion. 614 00:35:16,586 --> 00:35:19,745 I didn't see what all the fuss was about at all. 615 00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:21,504 So I passed. 616 00:35:21,505 --> 00:35:26,904 We're like, "God dang, what?". It's not what we expected. 617 00:35:26,905 --> 00:35:31,465 He had worked with Led Zeppelin, the Who, the Stones, 618 00:35:31,466 --> 00:35:35,463 so he was coming from that, and he said flat-out, 619 00:35:35,464 --> 00:35:37,504 "You're not that, man". 620 00:35:37,505 --> 00:35:42,943 It isn't always easy to spot what's hot about an artist 621 00:35:42,664 --> 00:35:45,342 if you go and see them play. You can see them on a bad night. 622 00:35:45,623 --> 00:35:48,503 It's not necessarily the fairest way of doing it. 623 00:35:48,504 --> 00:35:52,184 So, I thought, "The best thing to do would be for me to see them 624 00:35:52,185 --> 00:35:55,583 in a rehearsal situation where we could converse 625 00:35:55,584 --> 00:35:58,183 and they could play new stuff and I could stop and start". 626 00:35:58,184 --> 00:36:00,942 And they played the stuff that they played in Aspen, 627 00:36:00,943 --> 00:36:03,104 and it all sounded pretty much the same. 628 00:36:03,105 --> 00:36:07,343 I was thinking, "I don't get it. I still don't get it". 629 00:36:07,344 --> 00:36:12,502 So, we decided to take a break for lunch 630 00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:14,462 and as we were leaving, 631 00:36:14,463 --> 00:36:17,864 somebody said, "Why don't we play Glyn that ballad?" 632 00:36:17,865 --> 00:36:24,022 # My daddy was a handsome devil 633 00:36:24,023 --> 00:36:29,181 # He had a chain 5 miles long... 634 00:36:29,182 --> 00:36:32,261 And it just completely blew me off my feet. 635 00:36:32,262 --> 00:36:34,542 There it was. That was the sound. 636 00:36:34,543 --> 00:36:40,621 # From every link a heart did dangle 637 00:36:40,622 --> 00:36:43,261 # For every maid... # 638 00:36:43,342 --> 00:36:47,061 Extraordinary blend of voices, wonderful harmony sound. 639 00:36:46,982 --> 00:36:49,341 Just stunning. 640 00:36:49,342 --> 00:36:51,542 And that was it. I was in with both feet. 641 00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:58,860 # Now I have loved you like a baby... # 642 00:36:58,861 --> 00:37:00,019 Except that Glyn Johns 643 00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:02,580 didn't want to come to the United States and work. 644 00:37:02,581 --> 00:37:05,499 He wanted to work in London in the recording studios 645 00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,899 that he was familiar with, and so they shipped us off to England. 646 00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,579 I don't think that any of us except Bernie had ever been out 647 00:37:11,580 --> 00:37:14,662 of the country, so it was a little bit like going to the moon for us. 648 00:37:14,663 --> 00:37:19,100 # I'm hanging on to my peace of mind 649 00:37:19,101 --> 00:37:22,380 # I just don't know 650 00:37:22,381 --> 00:37:24,420 # I'm hanging on to those good times... # 651 00:37:24,421 --> 00:37:27,179 And I'm stoked. I'm thinking, 652 00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:30,219 "I'm going to go to Beatle country with Glyn Johns. 653 00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:31,981 I'm going to record in the same studio 654 00:37:31,422 --> 00:37:34,218 where Led Zeppelin did Rock And Roll. 655 00:37:34,779 --> 00:37:37,100 Oh, my God, I can't wait". 656 00:37:37,101 --> 00:37:40,660 We were recorded at the famous Olympic studios, 657 00:37:40,661 --> 00:37:43,538 where a lot of legendary records had been made. 658 00:37:43,539 --> 00:37:46,138 Glyn Johns, he had a certain style of recording, 659 00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:47,458 which was very organic. 660 00:37:47,459 --> 00:37:51,498 He would simply place a few mikes around the room, and off you go. 661 00:37:51,499 --> 00:37:54,418 Rather than, for example, placing a microphone on each 662 00:37:54,419 --> 00:37:57,458 and every drum, he would just put three microphones on the drum kit. 663 00:37:57,459 --> 00:37:59,417 He was accustomed to recording people 664 00:37:59,418 --> 00:38:01,261 like John Bonham with Led Zeppelin. 665 00:38:03,299 --> 00:38:05,657 And I said to Glyn, "I want the bass drum to be louder". 666 00:38:05,658 --> 00:38:08,337 And he said, "If you want it louder, hit it harder". 667 00:38:08,338 --> 00:38:09,656 And I hit it as hard as I could, 668 00:38:09,657 --> 00:38:12,699 but I couldn't hit it as hard as John Bonham. 669 00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,179 He had a bunch of rules that really didn't suit me 670 00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:18,738 and some of the other guys, too. 671 00:38:18,739 --> 00:38:22,738 No getting high in the studio, no drinking in the studio. 672 00:38:22,739 --> 00:38:25,377 I agreed wholeheartedly with Glyn Johns 673 00:38:25,378 --> 00:38:27,777 regarding drugs and alcohol in the studio - 674 00:38:27,778 --> 00:38:31,897 that we'd get more work done and that it would be better work. 675 00:38:31,898 --> 00:38:34,817 When I got the opportunity to produce and therefore 676 00:38:34,818 --> 00:38:38,936 be in the chair, I decided that I would no longer put up with that. 677 00:38:38,937 --> 00:38:41,178 Somebody said to me the other night that 678 00:38:41,179 --> 00:38:46,778 I was the designated driver in the '60s and early '70s. 679 00:38:47,939 --> 00:38:51,256 Glyn had worked with the Rolling Stones at a time when they went 680 00:38:51,257 --> 00:38:55,618 to the studio and did nothing except wait for Keith to go down 681 00:38:55,619 --> 00:39:00,296 in the basement and play his guitar until he came up with some riff. 682 00:39:00,297 --> 00:39:02,457 So, Glyn was impatient. 683 00:39:02,458 --> 00:39:05,456 The Stones had burned him out on the 684 00:39:05,457 --> 00:39:09,376 "get high in the studio and wait for something to happen" kind of thing. 685 00:39:09,257 --> 00:39:10,698 Let's go. We're rolling. 686 00:39:12,656 --> 00:39:14,337 1, 2, 3. 687 00:39:27,536 --> 00:39:34,976 # I like the way your sparkling earrings lay 688 00:39:34,977 --> 00:39:38,616 # against your skin so brown 689 00:39:42,216 --> 00:39:44,815 # And I wanna sleep with you 690 00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:47,454 # in the desert tonight... 691 00:39:47,455 --> 00:39:49,934 There were three hit singles on the first album. 692 00:39:49,935 --> 00:39:52,174 Peaceful Easy Feeling was written by Jack Tempchin, 693 00:39:52,175 --> 00:39:54,777 who is our friend and frequent collaborator. 694 00:39:54,778 --> 00:40:00,000 # Cos I got a peaceful easy feeling... 695 00:40:00,755 --> 00:40:05,894 Peaceful Easy Feeling captures the time, captures this attitude. 696 00:40:05,895 --> 00:40:08,735 You can feel the wind blowing across the desert. 697 00:40:13,135 --> 00:40:15,095 # What a feeling 698 00:40:25,535 --> 00:40:29,013 The second hit was Witchy Woman, which I wrote with Bernie. 699 00:40:30,175 --> 00:40:33,614 Witchy Woman started as a guitar figure. 700 00:40:33,615 --> 00:40:36,933 Then we were jamming it one day, and everybody was digging it. 701 00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:39,654 And then Henley came back the next day with the lyrics. 702 00:40:39,655 --> 00:40:44,733 # Raven hair and ruby lips 703 00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:49,813 # sparks fly from her finger tips 704 00:40:49,814 --> 00:40:54,932 # Echoed voices in the night 705 00:40:54,933 --> 00:40:59,932 # She's a restless spirit on an endless flight 706 00:40:59,933 --> 00:41:06,094 # Woo hoo, witchy woman 707 00:41:06,095 --> 00:41:11,533 # See how high she flies 708 00:41:11,534 --> 00:41:16,051 # Woo hoo, witchy woman 709 00:41:16,052 --> 00:41:21,733 # She got the moon in her eye... # 710 00:41:21,734 --> 00:41:24,653 During the time that the Eagles were on the road for the first album, 711 00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:28,652 we had just come through the '60s - civil rights movement, 712 00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:31,452 '68 - all the assassinations, all the rioting. 713 00:41:33,652 --> 00:41:36,811 The Vietnam War still winding up. Nixon, Watergate. 714 00:41:38,612 --> 00:41:41,810 I really think that part of the reason that the Eagles 715 00:41:41,811 --> 00:41:44,890 succeeded the way they did was because the country 716 00:41:44,891 --> 00:41:49,092 and people and young people needed to feel like things were OK. 717 00:41:49,093 --> 00:41:52,010 So, here comes this song Take It Easy. 718 00:41:59,012 --> 00:42:01,169 # Well I'm a runnin' down the road 719 00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:02,931 # Trying to loosen my load 720 00:42:02,932 --> 00:42:05,930 # I've got seven women on my mind 721 00:42:05,931 --> 00:42:08,291 # Four that want to own me 722 00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:09,851 # Two that want to stone me 723 00:42:09,852 --> 00:42:13,290 # One says she's a friend of mine 724 00:42:13,291 --> 00:42:16,330 # Take it easy 725 00:42:16,331 --> 00:42:20,009 # Take it easy 726 00:42:20,010 --> 00:42:26,809 # Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy 727 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:30,329 # Lighten up while you still can 728 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:33,570 # Don't even try to understand 729 00:42:33,571 --> 00:42:36,969 # Just find a place to play your hand 730 00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:40,530 # Take it easy... 731 00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:46,568 Jackson had this song called Take It Easy. 732 00:42:46,569 --> 00:42:50,690 He couldn't finish the song. He was stuck in the second verse. 733 00:42:50,691 --> 00:42:55,208 He had, "I'm standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona". 734 00:42:55,209 --> 00:42:58,768 And so, I filled in, "Such a fine sight to see 735 00:42:58,769 --> 00:43:00,888 It's a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford 736 00:43:00,889 --> 00:43:02,530 slowing down to take a look at me". 737 00:43:02,531 --> 00:43:06,928 # Well, I'm a standin' on a corner in Winslow, Arizona 738 00:43:06,929 --> 00:43:09,527 # Such a fine sight to see 739 00:43:09,528 --> 00:43:13,568 # It's a girl my Lord in a flat-bed Ford 740 00:43:13,569 --> 00:43:16,127 # Slowin' down to take a look at me... 741 00:43:16,128 --> 00:43:19,407 Girl, Lord, Ford, all the redemption. 742 00:43:19,408 --> 00:43:22,449 Girls and cars and redemption all in this one line. 743 00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:27,209 He's very mercurical. You know mercurial? Mercurial. 744 00:43:28,208 --> 00:43:30,648 And he's mercurical, too. 745 00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:33,607 # We may lose and we may win 746 00:43:33,608 --> 00:43:37,167 # But we will never be here again 747 00:43:37,168 --> 00:43:40,247 # So open up I'm climbin' in 748 00:43:40,248 --> 00:43:43,487 # So take it easy... # 749 00:43:43,488 --> 00:43:44,728 All right! 750 00:43:51,328 --> 00:43:53,727 Someone once asked Stephen Stills about the Eagles, 751 00:43:53,728 --> 00:43:57,647 and his response was, "They just wanted to be us". 752 00:43:57,648 --> 00:43:59,885 But when it came time to do our album covers, 753 00:43:59,886 --> 00:44:03,245 they suggested that we use Gary Burden and Henry Diltz. 754 00:44:03,246 --> 00:44:05,447 They had done the first Crosby, Stills, Nash cover 755 00:44:05,448 --> 00:44:07,727 and some stuff for Joni. 756 00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:09,327 The one I really remember was 757 00:44:09,328 --> 00:44:12,806 The Mamas & The Papas all sitting in the bathtub. 758 00:44:12,807 --> 00:44:14,445 That was one of their album covers. 759 00:44:14,446 --> 00:44:18,206 So, these were the cool guys to have work on your album. 760 00:44:18,207 --> 00:44:23,485 Gary Burden is about 40 years old, full beard, long, greyish, 761 00:44:23,486 --> 00:44:26,205 wavy hair, crystal-blue eyes. 762 00:44:26,206 --> 00:44:31,606 Henry was a sort of magical, non-invasive photographer guy. 763 00:44:32,686 --> 00:44:34,125 For the Eagles, 764 00:44:34,126 --> 00:44:38,124 it was the peyote spirits which the American Indians, of course, 765 00:44:38,125 --> 00:44:41,366 ate peyote and had a very, very spiritual experience, 766 00:44:41,367 --> 00:44:44,445 and they would maybe meet their animal totem 767 00:44:44,446 --> 00:44:47,885 or they would get their quest for life. 768 00:44:47,886 --> 00:44:52,405 My deal was always to take the bands out of their comfort zone. 769 00:44:52,406 --> 00:44:56,126 Take them away from their girlfriends, from telephones, 770 00:44:56,127 --> 00:45:00,000 from anything, and have them under my control so that 771 00:45:00,001 --> 00:45:04,085 I could get things to happen without any interference. 772 00:45:04,086 --> 00:45:06,203 And so, we would take trips. 773 00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:09,045 Now, how this plan came about exactly, 774 00:45:09,046 --> 00:45:13,845 today you have to scratch your head, but this was the plan. 775 00:45:13,846 --> 00:45:16,165 OK, we'll all go to the Troubadour, 776 00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:19,084 and we'll stay there till closing time. 777 00:45:19,085 --> 00:45:21,445 And then we'll drive to Joshua Tree. 778 00:45:21,446 --> 00:45:24,524 # This morning I don't know... # 779 00:45:24,525 --> 00:45:27,522 We had a bag of peyote buttons, a bunch of trail mix, 780 00:45:27,523 --> 00:45:30,725 some tequila, and some water, and some blankets. 781 00:45:30,726 --> 00:45:34,444 And the 7 of us set out for Joshua Tree. 782 00:45:34,445 --> 00:45:37,642 We got there probably about 4.30 in the morning, parked in this 783 00:45:37,643 --> 00:45:40,883 special place that I don't know how we found it in the dark. 784 00:45:46,163 --> 00:45:50,963 We all took one peyote button, put it in our mouths, 785 00:45:50,964 --> 00:45:54,802 and started hiking up to the place that we were supposed to go. 786 00:45:54,803 --> 00:45:58,881 So, right around the time that we're getting to the campsite 787 00:45:58,882 --> 00:46:00,642 and we're starting to build the fire 788 00:46:00,643 --> 00:46:03,643 and starting to cook some peyote tea, and the first buttons - 789 00:46:03,644 --> 00:46:06,202 everybody's chewing the first button 790 00:46:06,203 --> 00:46:09,683 and the drug starts coming on just as the sun is rising. 791 00:46:09,684 --> 00:46:13,603 "Earlybird" by the Eagles 792 00:46:27,163 --> 00:46:30,442 I think everybody got higher than they ever imagined 793 00:46:30,443 --> 00:46:34,081 anybody could be, and it was a good thing. 794 00:46:34,082 --> 00:46:36,643 We were after getting into life deeper 795 00:46:36,644 --> 00:46:39,962 and better and more and surrendering. 796 00:46:45,121 --> 00:46:50,120 I had to go to the bathroom, so I left the campsite, 797 00:46:50,121 --> 00:46:54,960 and I hear the guys yelling from the campfire, "Eagle! Eagle!". 798 00:46:54,961 --> 00:46:59,681 I look up, and it's soaring right above me. Huge wingspan. 799 00:46:59,682 --> 00:47:03,041 I'm scuffling to get my pants back up, and I'm slipping. 800 00:47:03,042 --> 00:47:06,160 I fall down, and the bird just kind of goes, 801 00:47:06,161 --> 00:47:10,960 "Eagles, huh? Yeah, I don't think so". 802 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,921 The images of the first album cover 803 00:47:16,922 --> 00:47:21,960 really set the tone for visually what Eagles are. 804 00:47:21,961 --> 00:47:25,800 Gary designed the album cover so that it would open up into a 805 00:47:25,801 --> 00:47:32,360 whole poster, and at the bottom were the Eagles around the campfire. 806 00:47:32,361 --> 00:47:35,360 And then, up at the top, it would go on up into the sky 807 00:47:35,361 --> 00:47:37,599 and the eagle up in the sky. 808 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,437 But David Geffen thought that would be confusing, 809 00:47:40,438 --> 00:47:44,240 and without consulting us or consulting Gary or the Eagles 810 00:47:44,241 --> 00:47:47,719 or anybody, he told them, "Just glue it shut". 811 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:50,158 And so when they glued it shut, you would get this: 812 00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,557 this album, front and back, and you'd open it up, 813 00:47:52,558 --> 00:47:56,359 and it would be upside-down, which didn't make any sense to anybody. 814 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,037 The fact was that the success of the first album scared the hell out of us. 815 00:48:06,038 --> 00:48:08,957 Why me instead of some guy down the street? 816 00:48:08,958 --> 00:48:11,797 Why me and some friends of mine who are just as good of musicians 817 00:48:11,798 --> 00:48:15,679 as I am, but it happened to me and it didn't happen to them? 818 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,957 I don't know. 819 00:48:16,958 --> 00:48:20,517 Success can sometimes be just as disconcerting 820 00:48:20,518 --> 00:48:22,996 and frightening as failure, especially 821 00:48:22,997 --> 00:48:26,399 when you have questions about your own worthiness and your abilities. 822 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,637 It came time to do another album. 823 00:48:29,638 --> 00:48:32,277 Don and I decided we'd try to write some songs together. 824 00:48:32,278 --> 00:48:34,957 I had been sitting over on Aqua Vista. 825 00:48:34,958 --> 00:48:36,196 I was living on the couch, 826 00:48:36,197 --> 00:48:39,238 and I'm just laying there playing the guitar, and I started going... 827 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,478 # Ding-digga-ding digga... # 828 00:48:41,479 --> 00:48:42,835 I'm thinking, 829 00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:45,638 "Yeah, that's pretty cool, kind of Roy Orbison, kind of Mexican. 830 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:47,076 Yeah, I like that". 831 00:48:47,077 --> 00:48:49,276 So, I showed him that guitar riff. 832 00:48:49,277 --> 00:48:51,838 I said, "Maybe we should write something to this". 833 00:48:53,956 --> 00:48:58,076 # It's another tequila sunrise 834 00:48:58,077 --> 00:49:04,037 # Staring slowly across the sky 835 00:49:06,077 --> 00:49:08,757 # I said goodbye 836 00:49:11,878 --> 00:49:15,477 # He was just a hired hand 837 00:49:16,956 --> 00:49:22,556 # Workin' on a dreamy plan to try... # 838 00:49:22,557 --> 00:49:25,074 Songs like "Desperado" and "Tequila Sunrise", 839 00:49:25,075 --> 00:49:27,650 that's when Glenn and I began collaborating, and 840 00:49:27,651 --> 00:49:30,236 that's when we really became a songwriting team. 841 00:49:30,237 --> 00:49:33,237 # Every night when the sun goes down 842 00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:38,596 # Just another lonely boy in town 843 00:49:40,116 --> 00:49:46,595 # And she's out runnin' round. # 844 00:49:46,596 --> 00:49:47,636 Earlier that year, 845 00:49:47,637 --> 00:49:51,635 someone had given Jackson Browne the book of gunfighters. 846 00:49:52,755 --> 00:49:58,074 It had all the big outlaw groups, Frank and Jesse, the Doolin-Dalton gang. 847 00:49:58,075 --> 00:50:00,000 We were all just fascinated with those guys, 848 00:50:00,001 --> 00:50:02,796 and we thought it would make a great analogy. 849 00:50:02,797 --> 00:50:06,995 For example, we live outside the laws of normality. 850 00:50:06,996 --> 00:50:10,032 Also, you usually, because of records or bank robberies, 851 00:50:10,033 --> 00:50:12,835 you usually heard about these guys before you ever saw them. 852 00:50:12,836 --> 00:50:16,954 They had posters that were wanted posters up for people. 853 00:50:21,834 --> 00:50:24,475 There just seemed to be some parallels. 854 00:50:28,994 --> 00:50:31,154 It wasn't really like we were outlaws, 855 00:50:31,155 --> 00:50:35,195 but I think they did have their nobler characteristics. 856 00:50:36,234 --> 00:50:43,273 # A life on the road is the life of an outlaw, man. # 857 00:50:43,274 --> 00:50:44,592 We started talking about it. 858 00:50:44,593 --> 00:50:48,911 Then we said, "Maybe we should do an album all about the rebels". 859 00:50:48,912 --> 00:50:50,592 We got to doing this outlaw album, 860 00:50:50,593 --> 00:50:54,073 and we had 8 songs finished, and we needed 2 more. 861 00:50:54,074 --> 00:50:58,433 An idea Randy came up with was how the guy became an outlaw 862 00:50:58,434 --> 00:51:00,634 and how he became a guitar player. 863 00:51:03,473 --> 00:51:09,833 # He was a poor boy raised in a small family 864 00:51:11,953 --> 00:51:19,632 # He kinda had a craving For something no one else could see 865 00:51:20,753 --> 00:51:26,992 # They said that he was crazy The kind that no lady should meet 866 00:51:28,472 --> 00:51:35,031 # He ran off to the city Then wandered around in the street. # 867 00:51:35,032 --> 00:51:38,190 I kind of started it, and that's what usually happened. 868 00:51:38,191 --> 00:51:40,310 I'd get a verse or two, and then I'm done, 869 00:51:40,311 --> 00:51:42,912 and they would help fill in the blanks. 870 00:51:45,752 --> 00:51:50,550 # Oh, yeah. He wants to see the lights a-flashing 871 00:51:50,551 --> 00:51:54,031 # And listen to the thunder ring. # 872 00:51:54,032 --> 00:52:00,511 Nobody expected there to be a concept album with western cowboys music. 873 00:52:00,512 --> 00:52:03,910 Don Henley was from Texas. He was a cowboy. 874 00:52:03,911 --> 00:52:07,390 Glenn was from Detroit. He wanted to be a cowboy. 875 00:52:07,391 --> 00:52:11,151 Because I knew all these guys had a little cowboy inside of them, 876 00:52:11,152 --> 00:52:16,310 I took them to Western Costume and just said, "Pick out your persona". 877 00:52:16,311 --> 00:52:20,229 Their premise was that, if they had lived 100 years ago, 878 00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:23,948 in like 1872, they probably would have been gunslingers. 879 00:52:23,949 --> 00:52:27,188 Everybody's going to be firing in the direction of this building right here. 880 00:52:27,189 --> 00:52:30,467 Jackson, J.D., Boyd, you all got to be in the picture more. 881 00:52:30,468 --> 00:52:34,469 - We're going to be in there. - You ready? 1, 2, 3! 882 00:52:40,709 --> 00:52:44,868 And we fired so many blanks that it was a cloud of smoke hanging 883 00:52:44,869 --> 00:52:46,270 over this western town, 884 00:52:46,271 --> 00:52:52,429 and the fire department came cos' they thought it was a fire. 885 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:53,708 Keep firing! 886 00:52:53,709 --> 00:52:56,109 We were just a bunch of kids. We were just playing around. 887 00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:06,347 The picture that's on the back of the album, 888 00:53:06,348 --> 00:53:07,787 there's a lot of reality in it. 889 00:53:07,788 --> 00:53:11,028 All of the agents and managers and road managers, all the guys 890 00:53:11,029 --> 00:53:15,227 who didn't play are standing up, alive with badges and guns, 891 00:53:15,228 --> 00:53:19,307 and the four Eagles at the time and Jackson and I are all dead, bound 892 00:53:19,308 --> 00:53:22,387 up the way they used to do when they'd catch outlaws in those days. 893 00:53:22,388 --> 00:53:23,827 They'd stand them up for display. 894 00:53:23,828 --> 00:53:26,987 People never tired of looking at the corpse of a bad boy. 895 00:53:30,068 --> 00:53:33,347 We all felt, when we were doing it and as it was delivered, that it 896 00:53:33,348 --> 00:53:38,027 was another really remarkable record on the part of the band. 897 00:53:38,028 --> 00:53:40,826 It was pretty extraordinary. 898 00:53:40,827 --> 00:53:43,226 The band and I were enormously thrilled with it. 899 00:53:43,227 --> 00:53:45,905 They literally carried me out of the control room. 900 00:53:45,906 --> 00:53:48,028 They chaired me out of the control room. 901 00:53:48,029 --> 00:53:51,506 # Desperado 902 00:53:51,507 --> 00:53:54,547 # Is there gonna be anything left... # 903 00:53:54,548 --> 00:53:56,666 "Desperado" comes out, and it bombs. 904 00:53:58,628 --> 00:54:02,265 Jerry Greenberg was the Vice President of Atlantic Records. 905 00:54:02,266 --> 00:54:05,026 They were excited to get the second Eagles album. 906 00:54:05,027 --> 00:54:07,264 We played him "Desperado", and he said, 907 00:54:07,265 --> 00:54:10,707 "Hmm, that's nice, that's good, that's nice". 908 00:54:10,708 --> 00:54:15,866 And turned around and said, "God, they made a fuckin' cowboy record". 909 00:54:15,867 --> 00:54:20,665 # Desperado 910 00:54:20,666 --> 00:54:26,105 # Oh, you ain't gettin' no younger. # 911 00:54:26,106 --> 00:54:29,624 I was extremely flattered that Linda recorded "Desperado". 912 00:54:29,625 --> 00:54:32,383 It was really her that popularized the song. 913 00:54:32,384 --> 00:54:35,226 Her version was very poignant and beautiful. 914 00:54:35,227 --> 00:54:37,984 # And freedom, oh, freedom 915 00:54:37,985 --> 00:54:42,024 # That's just some people talkin' 916 00:54:42,025 --> 00:54:50,025 # Your prisoner is walking through this world all alone. # 917 00:54:50,946 --> 00:54:53,500 There have been a lot of articles and things 918 00:54:53,501 --> 00:54:56,064 that identify me with the L.A. sound. 919 00:54:56,065 --> 00:54:58,583 It's sort of me and Jackson Browne and the Eagles. 920 00:54:58,584 --> 00:55:00,000 All of us are reaching out for 921 00:55:00,001 --> 00:55:02,704 other musical influences all the time. 922 00:55:02,705 --> 00:55:05,743 The so-called southern California sound was developing. 923 00:55:05,744 --> 00:55:08,422 It was fresh, it was different, it was unique. 924 00:55:08,423 --> 00:55:10,182 It was a melting pot, people moving 925 00:55:10,183 --> 00:55:12,864 here from all over the United States to pursue their dream. 926 00:55:12,865 --> 00:55:17,824 Actors, musicians, wannabe managers, agents, wannabe, you know, like me. 927 00:55:21,864 --> 00:55:25,063 I picked up the phone cold and called David Geffen, 928 00:55:25,064 --> 00:55:27,904 who was just starting Asylum Records. 929 00:55:27,905 --> 00:55:31,783 Long story short, I took a job as a manager with Asylum. 930 00:55:31,784 --> 00:55:33,023 I was intrigued. 931 00:55:33,024 --> 00:55:36,465 I wanted to know about the Eagles and meet the Eagles 932 00:55:36,466 --> 00:55:37,784 cos' I was a fan. 933 00:55:38,623 --> 00:55:40,303 Emergency? 934 00:55:40,304 --> 00:55:43,142 I get a phone call. Glenn Frey's on the phone. 935 00:55:43,143 --> 00:55:45,900 "We need money for Christmas. Can you book dates?". 936 00:55:45,901 --> 00:55:46,942 I book some dates. 937 00:55:46,943 --> 00:55:49,782 So, I get on a plane and go out to meet them. 938 00:55:49,783 --> 00:55:52,182 First of all, the show was fantastic. 939 00:55:52,183 --> 00:55:55,823 Crowd was nothing like I'd seen a year, year and a half earlier. 940 00:55:55,824 --> 00:56:00,781 - Good evening. Welcome to the Portland version of... / - Spread Eagle. 941 00:56:00,782 --> 00:56:04,861 Spread Eagle. Tonight, the promoter gave us chopsticks. 942 00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:07,621 I don't think we ever checked in a hotel. 943 00:56:07,622 --> 00:56:10,142 We went from there to a party at a sorority house. 944 00:56:10,143 --> 00:56:14,741 One thing led to another, and I'd never seen anything like this. 945 00:56:14,742 --> 00:56:16,660 They wouldn't give us any booze in the bar. 946 00:56:16,661 --> 00:56:18,780 We tried to get some booze, but they fucked up, 947 00:56:18,781 --> 00:56:21,060 so we may burn the fucking place down. We're not sure. 948 00:56:21,061 --> 00:56:22,382 I don't think we went to sleep. 949 00:56:22,383 --> 00:56:24,143 It was Eagle mania. 950 00:56:27,742 --> 00:56:32,341 And then they went off to England to record "On the Border" with Glyn Johns. 951 00:56:34,063 --> 00:56:36,740 They were quite open to being produced. 952 00:56:36,741 --> 00:56:39,101 Understandably, that changed. 953 00:56:39,102 --> 00:56:44,220 They began to be more opinionated and less insecure, perhaps. 954 00:56:44,221 --> 00:56:47,738 We wanted to play rock 'n' roll or at least a more rock 'n -roll 955 00:56:47,739 --> 00:56:50,299 version of country music, and Glyn Johns 956 00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:53,622 was of the opinion that we weren't really capable of that. 957 00:56:53,623 --> 00:56:56,500 I think he had been bombarded by loud, 958 00:56:56,501 --> 00:56:58,979 aggressive rock 'n' roll for many, many years. 959 00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:03,421 At that point in his life, he wanted mellow people and mellow music, 960 00:57:03,422 --> 00:57:07,899 and we weren't exactly at the same stage in life. 961 00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,580 Frey sort of took over more. 962 00:57:10,581 --> 00:57:13,057 He had this desire to be something that 963 00:57:13,058 --> 00:57:15,980 I didn't really feel that they were capable of doing. 964 00:57:15,981 --> 00:57:22,259 He and Glenn Frey were like oil and water. They clashed frequently. 965 00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:26,220 In the studio, Glyn Johns was pretty much a schoolmarm. 966 00:57:26,221 --> 00:57:30,259 He'd push, push, push, you know? And then he'd say, "That's it. 967 00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:34,058 That's good enough. We're moving on. You're not a rock 'n-roll band. 968 00:57:34,059 --> 00:57:37,340 The Who is a rock 'n-roll band, and you're not that". 969 00:57:38,539 --> 00:57:43,058 After each of those records, the band freaked out and said, 970 00:57:43,059 --> 00:57:45,858 "We've made a huge mistake. 971 00:57:45,859 --> 00:57:47,459 Glyn Johns missed it". 972 00:57:47,460 --> 00:57:49,296 We actually had conversations. 973 00:57:49,297 --> 00:57:51,979 "Desperado" hadn't done as well as the first album. 974 00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:56,458 None of them were thrilled with the way the record sounded. 975 00:57:56,459 --> 00:58:00,098 We wanted more input into how our albums were being made. 976 00:58:00,099 --> 00:58:03,977 We wanted more input into the recording process itself. 977 00:58:03,978 --> 00:58:07,618 Don and I thought that the vocals were too wet. 978 00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:10,137 There was too much echo on them. 979 00:58:10,138 --> 00:58:12,577 And he definitely told us, "Excuse me, that's my echo. 980 00:58:12,578 --> 00:58:15,136 It's my signature. It's my bloody echo. It stays there. 981 00:58:15,137 --> 00:58:16,659 You don't tell me what to do". 982 00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:18,818 We needed to make a change. 983 00:58:21,858 --> 00:58:25,138 I joined the Navy at the height of the Cold War. 984 00:58:25,139 --> 00:58:28,176 One of the main things they were doing was looking for Russian 985 00:58:28,177 --> 00:58:30,337 submarines, and you do that by using sonar. 986 00:58:31,778 --> 00:58:36,097 When I got out, I had a lot of electronics education, obviously. 987 00:58:36,098 --> 00:58:39,897 And I got a job in a recording studio here in New York. 988 00:58:40,978 --> 00:58:43,858 The first session I ever saw, like day 1, day 2, 989 00:58:43,859 --> 00:58:45,816 was a Carole King demo. 990 00:58:45,817 --> 00:58:49,895 She sat down and played piano, and it was like, "Boy, this is fun. 991 00:58:49,896 --> 00:58:52,057 "These people are having fun here." 992 00:58:55,777 --> 00:58:58,775 I worked my way up through the ranks, and then, of course, 993 00:58:58,776 --> 00:59:01,054 after engineering for 4 or 5 years, I was like, 994 00:59:01,055 --> 00:59:05,137 "I can produce better than some of these guys I'm working for". 995 00:59:05,138 --> 00:59:09,016 At the time, I was managing Joe Walsh, so I played them 996 00:59:09,017 --> 00:59:14,375 Walsh music that I thought was an example of how it could be edgier. 997 00:59:14,376 --> 00:59:16,734 Joe and I had just finished an album called 998 00:59:16,735 --> 00:59:19,134 "The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get". 999 00:59:19,135 --> 00:59:23,135 And they heard that and said, "That's what we want to sound like". 1000 00:59:23,136 --> 00:59:26,133 So, Irving arranged for us to have a meeting with Bill Szymczyk. 1001 00:59:26,134 --> 00:59:29,653 We really only had 2 questions that we wanted to ask him. 1002 00:59:29,654 --> 00:59:32,894 Do you mind if we have some input about how much echo is on the vocals? 1003 00:59:32,895 --> 00:59:35,654 And we wanted somebody who would put a microphone on each 1004 00:59:35,655 --> 00:59:38,657 and every drum so we could have more control over the mix. 1005 00:59:38,658 --> 00:59:43,575 He said yes to every question, and so we knew he was the guy for us. 1006 00:59:43,576 --> 00:59:45,134 I said, "OK, under one condition. 1007 00:59:45,135 --> 00:59:48,576 I have to call Glyn and make sure it's OK with him". 1008 00:59:48,577 --> 00:59:51,254 So, I called him, and I said, 1009 00:59:51,255 --> 00:59:54,295 "Glyn, the Eagles want me to produce them". 1010 00:59:54,296 --> 00:59:55,895 "Better you than me, mate." 1011 00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:58,334 That's pretty much how I felt. 1012 00:59:58,335 --> 01:00:00,000 It had come to 1013 01:00:00,001 --> 01:00:03,053 a fairly unpleasant end. 1014 01:00:03,054 --> 01:00:07,094 So much for Beatle country with Glyn Johns. 1015 01:00:11,934 --> 01:00:16,014 Let's have a warm round of applause on a hot afternoon for the Eagles! 1016 01:00:17,854 --> 01:00:20,893 # James Dean, James Dean 1017 01:00:20,894 --> 01:00:23,212 # So hungry and so lean 1018 01:00:23,213 --> 01:00:26,853 # James Dean, James Dean 1019 01:00:26,854 --> 01:00:30,294 # You said it all so clean. # 1020 01:00:31,494 --> 01:00:33,334 Along about the third album, 1021 01:00:33,335 --> 01:00:38,492 I was having some difficulty in communicating, I felt, in the 1022 01:00:38,493 --> 01:00:41,973 band, and I was starting to think maybe I should go at some point. 1023 01:00:41,974 --> 01:00:46,732 They still had this unfulfilled desire to be a mainstream 1024 01:00:46,733 --> 01:00:49,292 rock band and not just a vocal band, 1025 01:00:49,293 --> 01:00:52,174 but I think they wanted to go in a tougher direction. 1026 01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:57,613 Bernie Leadon was a country-based guitar player, but every time 1027 01:00:57,614 --> 01:01:02,813 I wanted to do a rock 'n-roll song, he was the lead guitar player. 1028 01:01:04,132 --> 01:01:08,332 # Cos I'm already gone. # 1029 01:01:08,333 --> 01:01:11,132 Every time we wanted to do something country that Bernie sang, 1030 01:01:11,133 --> 01:01:12,970 I was supposed to be the lead guitar player, 1031 01:01:12,971 --> 01:01:15,973 and I wasn't a country musician by any stretch. 1032 01:01:15,974 --> 01:01:19,612 It always felt like we needed a third guitar player. 1033 01:01:21,453 --> 01:01:25,210 We had met this friend of Bernie's, this guy named Don Felder. 1034 01:01:25,211 --> 01:01:27,690 We were playing in Boston, and he came back to visit Bernie, 1035 01:01:27,691 --> 01:01:29,852 and we were jamming upstairs in the dressing room, 1036 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,412 and this guy was all over the neck. 1037 01:01:38,131 --> 01:01:39,849 What he brought was great chops. 1038 01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:42,490 We called him Fingers, Fingers Felder, 1039 01:01:42,491 --> 01:01:44,052 because he was an incredible player. 1040 01:01:52,131 --> 01:01:54,611 We did that session. I think it was like 3 hours. 1041 01:01:54,612 --> 01:01:57,050 And then I packed up and went home, 1042 01:01:57,051 --> 01:02:00,089 not thinking anything more about it than it was just another session. 1043 01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:02,770 And the next day, Glenn called me and asked me 1044 01:02:02,771 --> 01:02:05,170 if I would like to join the band. 1045 01:02:05,171 --> 01:02:06,290 I said, "Absolutely". 1046 01:02:08,331 --> 01:02:09,928 I'm in heaven. 1047 01:02:09,929 --> 01:02:13,209 - Let's go another one. - All right, do it right! 1048 01:02:13,210 --> 01:02:17,089 The banter that would go on in between takes was hysterical, 1049 01:02:17,090 --> 01:02:22,448 and so I took to running a two-track to pick up these silly things. 1050 01:02:22,449 --> 01:02:26,247 We were young men with raging hormones and something to prove. 1051 01:02:26,248 --> 01:02:28,768 In the context of the times and the profession, 1052 01:02:28,769 --> 01:02:31,647 the way we behaved wasn't really all that remarkable. 1053 01:02:31,648 --> 01:02:34,729 The creative impulse comes from the dark side of the personality, 1054 01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:37,048 so we worked it good, you know. 1055 01:02:37,049 --> 01:02:41,128 We did a lot of stupid things, said a lot of stupid things. 1056 01:02:41,129 --> 01:02:44,489 It was the '70s. There were drugs everywhere. 1057 01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:49,808 # Cactus sunrise was in my face Everyone was dying 1058 01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:53,367 # Everyone was lying and trying 1059 01:02:53,368 --> 01:02:56,967 # Well, rub your belly in the linseed oil... # 1060 01:02:56,968 --> 01:02:58,488 There you go. 1061 01:03:00,289 --> 01:03:04,487 The heartbreak of psoriasis has once again descended upon 1062 01:03:04,488 --> 01:03:07,926 the adolescent experience, and we'll see you later. 1063 01:03:07,927 --> 01:03:09,969 See you at the show later on tonight. 1064 01:03:09,970 --> 01:03:14,968 The question was who could handle it? Who could function? 1065 01:03:14,969 --> 01:03:16,008 Who could show up? 1066 01:03:16,009 --> 01:03:18,967 # One of these nights 1067 01:03:21,688 --> 01:03:24,167 # One of these crazy long nights 1068 01:03:26,567 --> 01:03:29,687 # We're gonna find out, pretty mama 1069 01:03:31,208 --> 01:03:32,768 # What turns on your lights 1070 01:03:35,728 --> 01:03:38,167 # The full moon is calling 1071 01:03:38,168 --> 01:03:40,326 # The fever is high 1072 01:03:40,327 --> 01:03:43,927 # And the wicked wind whispers and more 1073 01:03:45,607 --> 01:03:47,206 # You got your demons 1074 01:03:47,207 --> 01:03:52,967 # And you got desires But I got a few of my own 1075 01:03:54,966 --> 01:03:59,045 # Ooooh, someone to be kind to 1076 01:03:59,046 --> 01:04:02,885 # In between the dark and the light 1077 01:04:02,886 --> 01:04:07,925 # Ooooh, comin' right behind you 1078 01:04:07,926 --> 01:04:11,406 # Swear I'm gonna find you One of these nights 1079 01:04:11,127 --> 01:04:14,445 # One of these days 1080 01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:15,966 There were always girls. 1081 01:04:22,366 --> 01:04:26,043 There were a lot of opportunities out on the road to entertain 1082 01:04:26,044 --> 01:04:28,325 ourselves with one thing or another. 1083 01:04:28,326 --> 01:04:32,005 So, we started to perfect after-show partying, 1084 01:04:32,006 --> 01:04:35,684 and we invented a place called the Third Encore. 1085 01:04:35,685 --> 01:04:39,284 We did 2 encores in our show, so the third encore was the party. 1086 01:04:39,285 --> 01:04:43,403 Everybody in the band and everybody in the crew was given a bunch 1087 01:04:43,404 --> 01:04:47,403 of buttons, and all we said was, "No weirdos, no strange people, OK? 1088 01:04:47,404 --> 01:04:50,603 If you're going to give a button to somebody, make it count". 1089 01:04:50,604 --> 01:04:54,923 Totally sick. There's some real warped shit coming on now, ladies and gentlemen. 1090 01:04:54,924 --> 01:04:58,445 A member of Andy Warthog's pop-bowel movement has just tried to crash our party. 1091 01:04:58,446 --> 01:05:00,000 Welcome to 1092 01:05:00,001 --> 01:05:04,483 Pittsburgh Spread Eagle. 1093 01:05:04,484 --> 01:05:08,404 We want to just ask these girls why they think they have to leave now that it's 2:00. 1094 01:05:08,405 --> 01:05:11,003 One thing, he smells like beer. 1095 01:05:11,004 --> 01:05:13,803 We'd fill the bathtubs up with Budweiser, 1096 01:05:13,804 --> 01:05:15,962 and we'd have a party after every show. 1097 01:05:15,963 --> 01:05:19,922 - Your name, please. - Tammy Farley. 1098 01:05:19,923 --> 01:05:22,681 - Here we have Karen. Karen is 20 years old. / - Is that correct? 1099 01:05:22,682 --> 01:05:26,201 - Yeah. / - What's your name, dear? - Fuck it, man. / - Pardon? Fuck it. 1100 01:05:26,202 --> 01:05:27,683 Her name's "Fuck it, man". 1101 01:05:27,684 --> 01:05:30,684 I want to talk about sex and drugs. 1102 01:05:32,244 --> 01:05:33,763 Who wants to go first? 1103 01:05:33,764 --> 01:05:36,042 I'm not lost for words on either subject. 1104 01:05:36,043 --> 01:05:39,121 Sex and drugs kind of came as a big package in the '60s. 1105 01:05:39,122 --> 01:05:42,123 It seemed like everybody, the sexual revolution 1106 01:05:42,124 --> 01:05:46,884 and the drug thing probably started out together. 1107 01:05:48,602 --> 01:05:50,203 Didn't they? 1108 01:05:53,002 --> 01:05:56,121 Don and I both tried to have relationships while we were members 1109 01:05:56,122 --> 01:06:00,324 of the Eagles, but it was always like the Eagles trumped everything. 1110 01:06:02,283 --> 01:06:06,763 When the Eagles became successful, we challenged all the rules. 1111 01:06:08,721 --> 01:06:11,240 Like when David Geffen left Asylum Records 1112 01:06:11,241 --> 01:06:15,320 and sold everything to Warner Bros and started his new empire. 1113 01:06:15,321 --> 01:06:19,241 Let's be frank. When we signed that contract, we were idiots. 1114 01:06:19,242 --> 01:06:22,160 We knew nothing about the business. 1115 01:06:22,161 --> 01:06:26,441 We had poor legal representation, nobody looking out for us. 1116 01:06:26,442 --> 01:06:31,361 Remember, bands don't really get record royalties usually ever. 1117 01:06:31,362 --> 01:06:35,640 So, they get money from touring, but they get publishing money. 1118 01:06:35,641 --> 01:06:38,439 So, in the very beginning, one thing that Geffen did 1119 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,839 that I thought was great. He had us form a band publishing company. 1120 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,279 All the band's publishing went in that. 1121 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,760 The problem was Geffen had the other half. 1122 01:06:46,761 --> 01:06:49,039 Half the Eagles' publishing, half of my publishing, 1123 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,880 half of all the artists that he signed went to Warner Bros, but 1124 01:06:52,881 --> 01:06:55,760 he got them to return mine. 1125 01:06:55,761 --> 01:06:58,320 Jackson turned me on to the Eagles. 1126 01:06:58,321 --> 01:07:00,560 He had turned me on to a lot of artists, 1127 01:07:00,561 --> 01:07:03,040 and I felt I owed him something. 1128 01:07:03,041 --> 01:07:07,758 And that, not surprisingly, was not acceptable rationale to the Eagles! 1129 01:07:07,759 --> 01:07:11,641 There's a certain amount of ire, like, real, you know, like, 1130 01:07:11,642 --> 01:07:14,318 "What the fuck? 1131 01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,958 "We didn't get our publishing back!". 1132 01:07:16,959 --> 01:07:19,957 So, it was the publishing issue and the fact that the business managers 1133 01:07:19,958 --> 01:07:22,360 and the lawyers were all shared common guys, 1134 01:07:22,361 --> 01:07:27,479 and did they have a conflict when an issue came up and which side to take? 1135 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,837 It just makes you feel like meat. 1136 01:07:29,838 --> 01:07:32,837 It started out as such a personal, nurturing endeavour 1137 01:07:32,838 --> 01:07:35,637 with Mr Geffen saying, "I'm going to protect you guys. 1138 01:07:35,638 --> 01:07:37,998 That's why I'm calling my new label 'Asylum'. 1139 01:07:37,999 --> 01:07:40,799 It's going to be a sanctuary for real artists". 1140 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,278 He once said to Irving Azoff, 1141 01:07:43,279 --> 01:07:45,879 "You know, Irving, this would be a great business 1142 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,798 if there weren't artists". 1143 01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:51,796 Irving was the one guy who really believed in us, 1144 01:07:51,797 --> 01:07:54,516 that I thought could do something to help us. 1145 01:07:54,517 --> 01:07:56,956 I basically hired a lawyer and went in 1146 01:07:56,957 --> 01:08:00,079 after I said, "The Eagles would like their publishing back, 1147 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,878 to which the obvious response was, "No". 1148 01:08:02,879 --> 01:08:06,038 He sort of drew a line in the sand and declared war, 1149 01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:09,277 so I felt, for my survival, as their manager, 1150 01:08:09,278 --> 01:08:12,716 I needed to prove to them that I wasn't afraid of Geffen 1151 01:08:12,717 --> 01:08:14,716 and would stand up and. 1152 01:08:14,717 --> 01:08:17,195 The lawsuit was filed as a last resort. 1153 01:08:17,196 --> 01:08:20,237 I don't think David liked reading his name in the lawsuit. 1154 01:08:20,238 --> 01:08:22,876 I thought it was incredibly ungrateful 1155 01:08:22,877 --> 01:08:27,357 and they misrepresented the facts, but so be it. 1156 01:08:27,358 --> 01:08:29,275 Ultimately, we settled out of court, 1157 01:08:29,276 --> 01:08:31,116 and I don't believe it took very long. 1158 01:08:31,117 --> 01:08:32,797 He just wanted to get rid of us. 1159 01:08:32,798 --> 01:08:37,716 This is our new record contract. 1160 01:08:37,717 --> 01:08:39,637 Just paper! 1161 01:08:39,638 --> 01:08:42,037 So, then we headed off, for parts unknown 1162 01:08:42,038 --> 01:08:44,838 with Irving Azoff at the helm. 1163 01:08:52,636 --> 01:08:55,476 This card game is called Eagle Poker. 1164 01:08:55,477 --> 01:08:57,476 It's a bastardization of Red Dog. 1165 01:08:57,477 --> 01:09:02,435 I invented it in Detroit, Michigan, in 1947, 1166 01:09:02,436 --> 01:09:04,876 one year before I was born. 1167 01:09:04,877 --> 01:09:10,715 We were big gamblers. We played poker all the time. 1168 01:09:10,716 --> 01:09:13,754 They should have never given me money. 1169 01:09:13,755 --> 01:09:17,075 So, we decided we'd go to the Bahamas to gamble. 1170 01:09:17,076 --> 01:09:20,114 Everybody but Don was holding. 1171 01:09:20,115 --> 01:09:22,635 I had like 4 joints in a baggie, 1172 01:09:22,636 --> 01:09:24,913 stuffed down my sock in my cowboy boot. 1173 01:09:24,914 --> 01:09:26,755 Durkin, the pilot, has a joint. 1174 01:09:26,756 --> 01:09:30,315 Irving had about 30 Valiums in a sugar pack. 1175 01:09:30,316 --> 01:09:33,794 There was a couple of customs officials there 1176 01:09:33,795 --> 01:09:37,073 that asked us to collect all our luggage and come over, 1177 01:09:37,074 --> 01:09:39,633 and they wanted to search us 'cause we looked terrible. 1178 01:09:39,634 --> 01:09:42,155 We had really long hair and patches on our jeans 1179 01:09:42,156 --> 01:09:44,153 and a beard and not slept. 1180 01:09:44,154 --> 01:09:46,714 Now, I'm freaking out. 1181 01:09:46,715 --> 01:09:49,754 Bernie's freaking out. Irving's freaking out. 1182 01:09:49,755 --> 01:09:51,874 Henley's pissed off. 1183 01:09:51,875 --> 01:09:53,354 Don't touch me. 1184 01:09:53,355 --> 01:09:55,794 The guy proceeds to put us all in a room together, 1185 01:09:55,795 --> 01:09:59,113 and they start searching us one by one. 1186 01:10:00,001 --> 01:10:02,794 My greatest fear is that I'm going to be locked in a jail cell 1187 01:10:02,795 --> 01:10:05,592 with Bernie Leadon. 1188 01:10:05,593 --> 01:10:08,793 So, at this point, Irving steps in and takes 1189 01:10:08,794 --> 01:10:11,595 one of the Bahamian customs guys over to the side 1190 01:10:11,596 --> 01:10:13,313 and has a chat with him. 1191 01:10:13,314 --> 01:10:16,475 I'm not sure, to this day, what Irving said to him. 1192 01:10:19,793 --> 01:10:23,032 The next thing I knew, they let us pass with no problem. 1193 01:10:23,033 --> 01:10:25,711 It was sort of miraculous, really, it was, 1194 01:10:25,712 --> 01:10:28,751 because I thought for sure we were going to be in the slammer. 1195 01:10:28,752 --> 01:10:30,910 It was dumb luck that this guy bought my line 1196 01:10:30,911 --> 01:10:32,231 and didn't search them. 1197 01:10:32,232 --> 01:10:34,351 That was the day I decided, Irving Azoff 1198 01:10:34,352 --> 01:10:36,550 was the greatest manager in rock 'n' roll 1199 01:10:36,551 --> 01:10:39,473 and I would never do anything without him by my side. 1200 01:10:41,233 --> 01:10:44,113 I had the only seat in a major championship fight 1201 01:10:44,114 --> 01:10:49,032 to be sitting there when a lyric was thrown out 1202 01:10:49,033 --> 01:10:51,032 and then hear a track. 1203 01:10:52,032 --> 01:10:56,831 # My on my, you sure know how to arrange things... # 1204 01:10:56,832 --> 01:10:59,230 I've watched the creative process with lots of people, 1205 01:10:59,231 --> 01:11:01,992 but I've never seen it the way it fell in place with them. 1206 01:11:01,993 --> 01:11:04,871 I remember watching "Lyin' Eyes" written. 1207 01:11:04,872 --> 01:11:07,951 Glenn just had a way of coming up with a phrase. 1208 01:11:07,952 --> 01:11:10,750 He had written some kind of a tune, and they were sitting in Tana's 1209 01:11:10,751 --> 01:11:14,710 one night and looking at some young girl with an older guy at the bar, 1210 01:11:14,711 --> 01:11:17,589 and Glenn said, "Look at those lyin' eyes". 1211 01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:20,351 And just like that, wow, there's the song. 1212 01:11:20,352 --> 01:11:26,830 # You can't hide your lyin' eyes 1213 01:11:26,831 --> 01:11:33,590 # And your smile is a thin disguise 1214 01:11:33,591 --> 01:11:40,830 # I thought by now you'd realise, 1215 01:11:40,831 --> 01:11:46,510 # There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes... # 1216 01:11:46,511 --> 01:11:49,828 It was just about all these girls who would come down to Dan Tana's 1217 01:11:49,829 --> 01:11:53,348 looking beautiful, and they'd be there from 8:00pm to midnight 1218 01:11:53,349 --> 01:11:55,788 and have dinner and drinks with all of us rockers, 1219 01:11:55,789 --> 01:11:59,110 and then they'd go home because they were kept women. 1220 01:11:59,111 --> 01:12:04,270 # On the other side of town, a boy is waiting 1221 01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:13,789 # With fiery eyes and dreams no one could steal 1222 01:12:13,790 --> 01:12:19,869 # She drives on through the night anticipating, 1223 01:12:19,870 --> 01:12:24,747 # Cause he makes her feel the way she used to feel... # 1224 01:12:24,748 --> 01:12:27,427 When we were doing the "One of These Nights" album, 1225 01:12:27,428 --> 01:12:29,107 we'd gone through 3 albums, 1226 01:12:29,108 --> 01:12:33,587 and the only people who'd sung on any hit records were Don and myself. 1227 01:12:33,588 --> 01:12:36,826 And Randy always felt like he was a lead singer, too. 1228 01:12:36,827 --> 01:12:39,626 And I actually felt that way, too. I liked his voice. 1229 01:12:39,627 --> 01:12:42,627 So, he brought in the beginnings of 'Take It To the Limit', 1230 01:12:42,628 --> 01:12:45,950 and it became the Eagles' first number-1 single. 1231 01:12:45,951 --> 01:12:48,987 # Take it to the limit, come on, 1232 01:12:48,988 --> 01:12:52,108 # and take it to the limit, 1233 01:12:52,109 --> 01:12:56,668 # One more time, 1234 01:12:56,669 --> 01:13:00,107 # Take it to the limit... # 1235 01:13:00,108 --> 01:13:03,707 The line 'Take It To the Limit' was to keep trying 1236 01:13:03,708 --> 01:13:08,786 before you reach a point in your life where you feel 1237 01:13:08,787 --> 01:13:11,826 you've done everything and seen everything sort of feeling. 1238 01:13:11,827 --> 01:13:15,428 A part of getting old, and just to take it to the limit 1239 01:13:15,429 --> 01:13:19,666 one more time, like every day, just keep punching away at it. 1240 01:13:19,667 --> 01:13:22,225 And that's all that I really... That was the line, 1241 01:13:22,226 --> 01:13:26,147 and from there, the song took a different, you know, course. 1242 01:13:26,108 --> 01:13:28,667 # Take it to the limit, 1243 01:13:37,307 --> 01:13:42,545 I think everybody in the Eagles did the level best we could. 1244 01:13:42,546 --> 01:13:44,745 You have to remember how young we were, 1245 01:13:44,746 --> 01:13:47,744 the fact that nobody had anything when we started, 1246 01:13:47,745 --> 01:13:50,306 and you got all this stuff coming at you. 1247 01:13:50,307 --> 01:13:54,465 Meanwhile, you're touring all the time. It's a lot. 1248 01:13:54,466 --> 01:13:58,664 To Bernie, success on any scale was synonymous with selling out. 1249 01:13:58,665 --> 01:14:01,864 He wanted us to remain sort of an underground band. 1250 01:14:01,865 --> 01:14:06,144 We had our problems with Bernie, and Bernie had his problems with us. 1251 01:14:06,145 --> 01:14:10,505 Some of it was based on him being able to have a voice in the Eagles 1252 01:14:10,506 --> 01:14:14,545 and record the songs he wanted to, the way he wanted to. 1253 01:14:14,546 --> 01:14:16,946 We were getting more and more rocked out, 1254 01:14:16,947 --> 01:14:21,624 and I think Bernie was less and less happy about that, 1255 01:14:21,625 --> 01:14:24,944 to the point that, one time, we had worked on a track all night. 1256 01:14:24,945 --> 01:14:26,703 It was a rocked-out track, 1257 01:14:26,704 --> 01:14:29,064 and we're all sitting behind the board the next day, 1258 01:14:29,065 --> 01:14:31,423 listening to the various takes of it, trying to decide 1259 01:14:31,424 --> 01:14:34,743 which take we liked the best. Bernie hadn't said a word. 1260 01:14:34,744 --> 01:14:38,142 So, I asked him over the board, I said, "Bernie, what do you think?". 1261 01:14:38,143 --> 01:14:40,666 There's a long pause, and he gets up, and he stretches, 1262 01:14:40,667 --> 01:14:43,784 and he says, "I think I'm going surfing". 1263 01:14:43,785 --> 01:14:46,345 And he left. 1264 01:14:53,544 --> 01:14:56,262 I was caught in the middle a lot of times. 1265 01:14:56,263 --> 01:14:58,182 And sometimes I would agree with Bernie, but 1266 01:14:58,183 --> 01:15:00,000 most of the time, I would agree with Glenn. 1267 01:15:00,001 --> 01:15:03,262 Glenn and I always wanted the band to be a hybrid, 1268 01:15:03,263 --> 01:15:06,781 to encompass bluegrass and country and rock 'n' roll. 1269 01:15:06,782 --> 01:15:09,102 There was a part of Bernie that really resisted that. 1270 01:15:09,103 --> 01:15:11,424 After a while, it became a real problem, 1271 01:15:11,425 --> 01:15:15,183 particularly between Bernie and Glenn. 1272 01:15:15,184 --> 01:15:17,862 Finally, we were at the Orange Bowl in Miami. 1273 01:15:17,863 --> 01:15:21,981 We were backstage, and we were talking about what our next move 1274 01:15:21,982 --> 01:15:24,543 was going to be, what our plans were supposed to be, 1275 01:15:24,544 --> 01:15:29,781 and I was animated and adamant about what we needed to do next 1276 01:15:29,782 --> 01:15:32,981 here, there, and everywhere, and Bernie comes over 1277 01:15:32,982 --> 01:15:36,783 and pours a beer on my head and says, "You need to chill out, man". 1278 01:15:38,463 --> 01:15:41,582 I have no idea. It was a spontaneous thing. 1279 01:15:41,583 --> 01:15:45,301 I take that incident now quite seriously. 1280 01:15:45,302 --> 01:15:48,102 That was a very disrespectful thing to do. 1281 01:15:48,103 --> 01:15:52,261 Obviously, it was intended to be humiliating to him, 1282 01:15:52,262 --> 01:15:58,142 I would say, and is something I'm really not proud of. 1283 01:15:58,143 --> 01:16:00,742 It did illustrate a breaking point. 1284 01:16:08,221 --> 01:16:10,821 During that time, we got a couple shows 1285 01:16:10,822 --> 01:16:15,340 opening for the Rolling Stones, and Irving was managing Joe Walsh. 1286 01:16:15,341 --> 01:16:20,062 Joe Walsh was a bona fide rock 'n' roll guitar player. 1287 01:16:24,902 --> 01:16:28,100 So, for a couple of those shows, just for our encores, 1288 01:16:28,101 --> 01:16:30,179 we'd put Joe Walsh in a road box, 1289 01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:34,421 and we'd come back to do an encore, and we'd roll the road box out, 1290 01:16:34,422 --> 01:16:37,700 and just like the model jumping out of a cake, 1291 01:16:37,701 --> 01:16:41,739 we'd open the guitar case, and there would be Joe Walsh 1292 01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:45,858 with his Les Paul, and he'd climb out of the box and plug in, 1293 01:16:45,859 --> 01:16:48,981 and the Eagles... We would play 'Rocky Mountain Way'. 1294 01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:58,619 I loved the way he played. 1295 01:16:58,620 --> 01:17:01,899 I'd loved the James Gang when I was growing up in Detroit. 1296 01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:06,820 Now I started thinking, "Joe Walsh for Bernie Leadon". 1297 01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:13,340 # Spent the last year Rocky Mountain Way 1298 01:17:13,541 --> 01:17:19,138 # Couldn't get much higher... # 1299 01:17:19,139 --> 01:17:22,298 OK, maybe the vocals won't be quite as good, 1300 01:17:22,299 --> 01:17:24,780 but, boy, are we going to kick some ass! 1301 01:17:24,781 --> 01:17:28,378 # Time to open fire 1302 01:17:28,379 --> 01:17:33,338 # And we don't need the ladies cryin' 1303 01:17:33,339 --> 01:17:37,698 # 'Cause the story's sad... # 1304 01:17:37,699 --> 01:17:40,538 I think one of the things that I brought into the band 1305 01:17:40,539 --> 01:17:43,897 that was good for the band was 1306 01:17:43,898 --> 01:17:46,858 to bring it up a notch when we played live. 1307 01:17:46,859 --> 01:17:50,819 Just keep kicking it in the butt a little bit, you know? 1308 01:18:19,258 --> 01:18:23,536 All right, D.C., come on, give it up! 1309 01:18:23,537 --> 01:18:26,696 I went to a show, maybe 8 months later, 1310 01:18:26,697 --> 01:18:29,776 and the band are interacting with each other 1311 01:18:29,777 --> 01:18:34,056 exactly like we did with me on stage, except instead of me, 1312 01:18:34,057 --> 01:18:38,776 Walsh was up there, and it just was really, really odd 1313 01:18:38,777 --> 01:18:42,176 to be watching it and not be part of it. 1314 01:18:42,177 --> 01:18:44,496 So, I actually left that show. I was just like, 1315 01:18:44,497 --> 01:18:46,375 "This is too weird". 1316 01:18:46,376 --> 01:18:50,774 So, we got Joe Walsh in the band. That's another adventure, 1317 01:18:50,775 --> 01:18:53,054 because Joe was an interesting bunch of guys. 1318 01:18:53,055 --> 01:18:55,773 Hey, I tell you what. If you got firecrackers, 1319 01:18:55,774 --> 01:18:58,414 just wait until you get home, lock yourself in the closet, 1320 01:18:58,415 --> 01:19:00,455 and light everything you got, OK? 1321 01:19:03,336 --> 01:19:04,655 Thank you, Joe. 1322 01:19:04,656 --> 01:19:07,735 He brought a lot of levity to just about everything that happened, 1323 01:19:07,736 --> 01:19:11,095 which was needed at that time. 1324 01:19:11,096 --> 01:19:14,535 - Heads or tails? - Heads. 1325 01:19:14,536 --> 01:19:17,054 I could use a little head myself. 1326 01:19:17,055 --> 01:19:19,973 In those days, you didn't know what he was going to do next. 1327 01:19:19,974 --> 01:19:23,454 It was fun most of the time, although not all the time. 1328 01:19:23,455 --> 01:19:25,933 It was fun, depending on how much you'd had to drink, 1329 01:19:25,934 --> 01:19:28,736 to see a television go sailing off the 14th-floor balcony 1330 01:19:28,737 --> 01:19:31,974 and into the pool, as long as nobody got hurt. 1331 01:19:38,375 --> 01:19:41,853 Joe Walsh was the American King of room trash. 1332 01:19:41,854 --> 01:19:44,694 He had studied under some of the best. 1333 01:19:44,695 --> 01:19:47,614 One of the most terrifying things that ever happened to me 1334 01:19:47,615 --> 01:19:51,253 was that Keith Moon decided he liked me. 1335 01:19:51,254 --> 01:19:54,334 All those Keith Moon stories are true. 1336 01:19:55,314 --> 01:20:00,000 This guy was full-blown nuts, and you never knew 1337 01:20:00,001 --> 01:20:02,573 what was coming next. 1338 01:20:09,454 --> 01:20:13,653 Keith was my mentor at chaos, getting arrested, 1339 01:20:13,654 --> 01:20:17,252 practical jokes, pranks, room damage. 1340 01:20:17,253 --> 01:20:22,571 # I live in hotels, tear out the walls, 1341 01:20:22,572 --> 01:20:27,652 # I have accountants pay for it all, 1342 01:20:27,653 --> 01:20:33,093 # They say I'm crazy, but I have a good time... # 1343 01:20:38,173 --> 01:20:41,813 One year, we gave him a chainsaw for his birthday as a joke. 1344 01:20:41,814 --> 01:20:46,771 # Life's been good to me so far, 1345 01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:50,372 # Yeah, yeah, yeah... # 1346 01:20:50,373 --> 01:20:53,331 By this time, we were eating in nice restaurants 1347 01:20:53,332 --> 01:20:58,211 and buying expensive wine and staying in great hotel rooms. 1348 01:20:58,212 --> 01:21:01,490 There were a lot of hotels that we weren't allowed to go back to. 1349 01:21:01,491 --> 01:21:05,011 We were in Chicago, and we were staying at the Astor Towers. 1350 01:21:05,012 --> 01:21:07,331 In Chicago, here's what happened. 1351 01:21:07,332 --> 01:21:11,131 There was a knock on the door, and in walked John Belushi. 1352 01:21:12,932 --> 01:21:18,451 John wanted to show me the finer restaurants of Chicago. 1353 01:21:18,452 --> 01:21:20,129 So, we went to the restaurant, 1354 01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:23,371 and they wouldn't let us in because we had jeans, and he got 1355 01:21:23,372 --> 01:21:26,210 the maitre d' up to like a 300 bribe 1356 01:21:26,211 --> 01:21:28,970 and still they would not let us in. 1357 01:21:28,971 --> 01:21:31,771 And John said, "I know what to do. I know what to do." 1358 01:21:32,771 --> 01:21:36,531 And the next thing I knew, we were standing in the alley, 1359 01:21:36,532 --> 01:21:41,890 and he spray-painted my jeans black and made me do his, 1360 01:21:41,891 --> 01:21:44,091 and we went back, and we got in. 1361 01:21:46,491 --> 01:21:50,569 We were sitting in these Queen Anne-period chairs that had 1362 01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:54,208 needlepoint, and when we stood up, that was all black, 1363 01:21:54,209 --> 01:21:56,970 and the butts of our pants were jeans again, 1364 01:21:56,971 --> 01:22:01,129 so, we had to kind of back out of there and leave fast. 1365 01:22:02,291 --> 01:22:04,728 But that was the beginning of it. 1366 01:22:04,729 --> 01:22:09,048 And so that night, with much glee, 1367 01:22:09,049 --> 01:22:12,650 Joe set about to set the world record for room trash. 1368 01:22:14,850 --> 01:22:18,370 John and I did 28,000 of room damage. 1369 01:22:22,569 --> 01:22:26,086 Glenn and Don didn't really ever approve of the room trashing, 1370 01:22:26,087 --> 01:22:27,446 but they understood it. 1371 01:22:27,447 --> 01:22:29,809 They wanted respect as rock 'n' rollers, 1372 01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:32,527 and Joe brought that respect. 1373 01:22:32,528 --> 01:22:35,247 I was insecure always and afraid, 1374 01:22:35,248 --> 01:22:42,167 so I hid behind all of my hang-ups with humour. 1375 01:22:42,168 --> 01:22:47,927 I was totally in awe of Don and Glenn. 1376 01:22:47,928 --> 01:22:53,728 I was intimidated by Don and Glennv because they sang so good, 1377 01:22:53,729 --> 01:22:59,368 and they were writing stuff I could never come close to writing. 1378 01:23:01,608 --> 01:23:05,206 After we've just had a bunch of hit records on One Of These Nights, 1379 01:23:05,207 --> 01:23:08,805 we were under the microscope. Everybody was going to look at 1380 01:23:08,806 --> 01:23:11,365 the next record we made and pass judgment. 1381 01:23:11,366 --> 01:23:14,288 Don and I were going, "Man, this better be good". 1382 01:23:16,328 --> 01:23:19,327 - Look at that. / - It's going to be quite a nice guitar. 1383 01:23:19,328 --> 01:23:24,407 - Felder, you see this? - Who tuned this? 1384 01:23:24,408 --> 01:23:25,847 Well, it has no nut. 1385 01:23:25,848 --> 01:23:29,727 With Joe in the band with me, I wanted to write something, 1386 01:23:29,728 --> 01:23:33,406 musically, that would fit two guitar players, that we 1387 01:23:33,407 --> 01:23:35,726 could play off of each other. 1388 01:23:35,727 --> 01:23:39,165 So, I was sitting on a sofa in Malibu at this rental house 1389 01:23:39,166 --> 01:23:42,084 that I had on the beach. I was playing this acoustic guitar 1390 01:23:42,085 --> 01:23:45,004 and this introduction came out, that progression. 1391 01:23:45,005 --> 01:23:47,366 I kept playing it 3 or 4 times. 1392 01:23:47,367 --> 01:23:50,565 I had an old reel-to-reel tape recorder, 1393 01:23:50,566 --> 01:23:54,124 so I went back and recorded that introduction to that song and 1394 01:23:54,125 --> 01:23:58,046 laid down that progression, made a mix of it, and put it on a cassette 1395 01:23:58,047 --> 01:24:02,644 with the other 14 or 15 pieces of music that I had 1396 01:24:02,645 --> 01:24:07,205 assembled, and I gave a copy of the cassette to Don, one to Glenn. 1397 01:24:07,206 --> 01:24:12,725 Don Felder used to send Henley and I instrumental tapes, song ideas. 1398 01:24:12,726 --> 01:24:16,565 95% of them were cluttered with guitar licks, 1399 01:24:16,566 --> 01:24:20,203 and we would listen to these things and go, "Where do you sing?". 1400 01:24:20,204 --> 01:24:24,123 As Don and I were listening through one of the Felder cassettes and this 1401 01:24:24,124 --> 01:24:28,645 song came up, we both sort of said, "Hmm. Now, this is interesting". 1402 01:24:29,805 --> 01:24:33,323 The music sounded to me like some sort of a cross between 1403 01:24:33,324 --> 01:24:37,765 Spanish music and reggae music, and that one really jumped out at me. 1404 01:24:38,844 --> 01:24:42,085 So, we set out to write a song to that progression. 1405 01:24:44,164 --> 01:24:47,405 I'm pretty sure it was Henley's idea to have a song called 1406 01:24:47,406 --> 01:24:49,444 Hotel California. 1407 01:24:53,124 --> 01:24:56,923 I think Henley's and Glenn's lyric writing really came to a head. 1408 01:24:56,924 --> 01:25:00,001 They became real honest-to-God songwriters then. 1409 01:25:02,284 --> 01:25:05,401 During the recording of it, I thought that we 1410 01:25:05,402 --> 01:25:08,123 were on to something. I knew we were on to something. 1411 01:25:09,844 --> 01:25:14,043 We were in a really creative phase, 1412 01:25:14,044 --> 01:25:18,523 and it just so happened that Bill Szymczyk pushed record. 1413 01:25:20,683 --> 01:25:21,723 Thank God! 1414 01:25:23,604 --> 01:25:27,161 # On a dark desert highway 1415 01:25:27,162 --> 01:25:30,402 # Cool wind in my hair 1416 01:25:30,403 --> 01:25:33,722 # Warm smell of colitas 1417 01:25:33,723 --> 01:25:36,681 # Rising up through the air 1418 01:25:36,682 --> 01:25:39,881 # Up ahead in the distance 1419 01:25:39,882 --> 01:25:43,802 # I saw a shimmering light 1420 01:25:43,803 --> 01:25:46,162 # My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim 1421 01:25:46,163 --> 01:25:49,561 # I had to stop for the night 1422 01:25:49,562 --> 01:25:53,040 # There she stood in the doorway 1423 01:25:53,041 --> 01:25:56,801 # I heard the mission bell 1424 01:25:56,802 --> 01:25:58,641 # And I was thinkin' to myself 1425 01:25:58,642 --> 01:26:02,840 # This could be heaven or this could be hell 1426 01:26:02,841 --> 01:26:06,160 # Then she lit up a candle 1427 01:26:06,161 --> 01:26:09,440 # And she showed me the way 1428 01:26:09,441 --> 01:26:12,720 # There were voices down the corridor 1429 01:26:12,721 --> 01:26:15,960 # I thought I heard them say 1430 01:26:15,761 --> 01:26:19,601 # Welcome to the Hotel California 1431 01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,922 # Such a lovely place 1432 01:26:24,923 --> 01:26:28,399 # Such a lovely face 1433 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,719 # Plenty of room at the Hotel... # 1434 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,641 We've been asked a million times, "What does that song mean?". 1435 01:26:34,642 --> 01:26:38,279 Don and I were big fans of hidden, deeper meaning. 1436 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,121 You write songs and you send them out to the world. 1437 01:26:41,762 --> 01:26:45,040 # ...So I called up the Captain 1438 01:26:45,401 --> 01:26:47,720 # Please bring me my wine 1439 01:26:47,721 --> 01:26:49,039 # He said, 1440 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:54,319 # We haven't had that spirit here since 1969... # 1441 01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,997 And maybe somewhere in that song is some stuff that's just yours, 1442 01:26:57,998 --> 01:27:00,360 that they're never going to figure out. 1443 01:27:00,361 --> 01:27:01,599 # ...Far away 1444 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,158 # Wake you up in the middle of the night 1445 01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:06,957 # Just to hear them say... # 1446 01:27:06,958 --> 01:27:09,037 There has been a great deal of ridiculous 1447 01:27:09,038 --> 01:27:11,077 speculation about that song over the years. 1448 01:27:11,078 --> 01:27:14,037 It's really taken on a life or a mythology of its own. 1449 01:27:14,038 --> 01:27:17,719 It's sort of like the "Paul is dead" thing, or "Who was the walrus?". 1450 01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,998 # ...Bring your alibis... # 1451 01:27:20,999 --> 01:27:24,798 It's been denounced by Evangelicals. 1452 01:27:24,799 --> 01:27:27,036 We've been accused of all kinds of wacky things, 1453 01:27:27,037 --> 01:27:29,277 like being members of the Church of Satan. 1454 01:27:29,278 --> 01:27:32,639 People see images on the album cover that aren't there. 1455 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,078 Just lunatic stuff. 1456 01:27:34,079 --> 01:27:41,317 # ...And in the master's chambers They gathered for the feast 1457 01:27:41,318 --> 01:27:45,157 # They stabbed it with their steely knives 1458 01:27:45,158 --> 01:27:48,396 # But they just can't kill the beast 1459 01:27:48,397 --> 01:27:51,516 # Last thing I remember 1460 01:27:51,517 --> 01:27:54,517 # I was running for the door 1461 01:27:54,518 --> 01:28:00,516 # I had to find the passage back to the place I was before... # 1462 01:28:00,517 --> 01:28:04,158 My simple explanation is it's a song about a journey from innocence 1463 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:07,676 to experience. That's all. 1464 01:28:07,677 --> 01:28:10,837 # ...You can check out any time you like 1465 01:28:10,838 --> 01:28:13,598 # But you can never leave... # 1466 01:28:31,836 --> 01:28:37,435 Whereas Felder was technically very, very good, Walsh brought spontaneity 1467 01:28:37,436 --> 01:28:41,276 to it, and the two of them playing off each other was just brilliant. 1468 01:29:00,036 --> 01:29:03,635 Out of great respect for each other, there was always a little 1469 01:29:03,636 --> 01:29:06,234 competition between Felder and I. 1470 01:29:06,235 --> 01:29:09,756 We always tried to kind of one-up each other, you know? 1471 01:29:14,715 --> 01:29:17,634 And that's really healthy. 1472 01:29:17,635 --> 01:29:22,113 It always made the song better when we were kind of, 1473 01:29:22,114 --> 01:29:24,996 "Oh, yeah? Listen to this." 1474 01:29:32,754 --> 01:29:36,433 We got to the end, where now is the harmony guitars that are 1475 01:29:36,434 --> 01:29:39,593 playing together, and Joe said, "We should do something that's like... 1476 01:29:39,394 --> 01:29:41,635 # Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. # 1477 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000 The ending of 1478 01:30:00,001 --> 01:30:02,237 Hotel California, that's one of my 1479 01:30:02,238 --> 01:30:05,334 high points of my entire recording career. 1480 01:30:13,113 --> 01:30:17,792 To have a 7-minute single be number 1, that was unheard of. 1481 01:30:17,793 --> 01:30:20,911 The record company said, "You got to do an edit. You got to do an edit". 1482 01:30:20,912 --> 01:30:24,553 And we all said, "No. Take it or leave it". And they took it. 1483 01:30:26,592 --> 01:30:30,511 We had no idea that that song would affect as many 1484 01:30:30,512 --> 01:30:32,233 people on the planet as it did. 1485 01:30:34,672 --> 01:30:35,711 Thank you. 1486 01:30:37,753 --> 01:30:41,791 The rest of the album kind of developed around that song. 1487 01:30:41,792 --> 01:30:45,792 The album, you could loosely say, is a thematic album, a concept album. 1488 01:30:48,151 --> 01:30:50,711 Not unlike Desperado, Hotel California 1489 01:30:50,712 --> 01:30:54,232 was our reaction to what was happening to us. 1490 01:30:56,191 --> 01:30:59,391 On just about every album we made, there was some kind of a 1491 01:30:59,392 --> 01:31:04,270 commentary on the music business and on American culture in general. 1492 01:31:04,271 --> 01:31:07,229 The hotel itself could be taken as a metaphor not 1493 01:31:07,230 --> 01:31:09,789 only for the myth-making of Southern California, 1494 01:31:09,790 --> 01:31:12,829 but for the myth-making that is the American dream because it's a 1495 01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:16,871 fine line between the American dream and the American nightmare. 1496 01:31:16,872 --> 01:31:22,749 # When you're out there on your own Where your memories... # 1497 01:31:22,750 --> 01:31:28,311 All the songs we write for this album can fit inside this concept. 1498 01:31:30,670 --> 01:31:36,109 # ...You were lost until you found out what it all comes down to... # 1499 01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:39,509 Once the rest of the guys in the band understood what the song 1500 01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:42,948 Hotel California was about, it became kind of a theme, 1501 01:31:42,949 --> 01:31:46,430 and they started to customise their writing to fit in with it. 1502 01:31:48,109 --> 01:31:54,988 # ...Day by day It's only fair to wait... # 1503 01:31:54,989 --> 01:31:57,268 I think that the Eagles started breaking up 1504 01:31:57,269 --> 01:31:59,909 during the recording of Hotel California. 1505 01:31:59,910 --> 01:32:04,428 There were creative tensions, but there was always tension tensions. 1506 01:32:04,429 --> 01:32:07,107 By the time we got to recording Hotel California, 1507 01:32:07,108 --> 01:32:10,028 if the song wasn't good enough to survive the amount of time 1508 01:32:10,029 --> 01:32:12,549 we were working on the record, it didn't make it on the record. 1509 01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:15,108 Perfection is not an accident. 1510 01:32:15,109 --> 01:32:17,107 'Our goal was just to be the best we could be. 1511 01:32:17,108 --> 01:32:19,028 'We wanted to get better as songwriters' 1512 01:32:19,029 --> 01:32:21,828 and as performers, and we worked on it. 1513 01:32:23,828 --> 01:32:28,187 Don and I felt like there was no space now for filler, and 1514 01:32:28,188 --> 01:32:33,029 Don Felder, for all of his talents as a guitar player, is not a singer. 1515 01:32:34,987 --> 01:32:38,905 Felder wanted to write more, sing more, and Felder had kind of 1516 01:32:38,906 --> 01:32:42,867 demanded that, "I'm going to sing two songs on Hotel California". 1517 01:32:48,907 --> 01:32:51,427 We were all alphas, 1518 01:32:51,428 --> 01:32:56,587 and we were all very assertive and powerful in our own way. 1519 01:32:56,588 --> 01:33:01,227 You could bring in a great track to Don and Glenn 1520 01:33:01,228 --> 01:33:03,706 and be really excited about it. 1521 01:33:03,707 --> 01:33:05,147 This happened to Felder. 1522 01:33:09,746 --> 01:33:12,307 I wrote the track for Victim Of Love. 1523 01:33:12,308 --> 01:33:16,227 It was going to be a follow-up song on the Hotel California 1524 01:33:16,228 --> 01:33:18,666 record for me to sing. 1525 01:33:18,667 --> 01:33:21,386 # ...Victim of love... # 1526 01:33:21,387 --> 01:33:24,704 I have no recollection of anybody being promised anything. 1527 01:33:24,705 --> 01:33:28,305 Victim Of Love was not brought to the band as a complete song. 1528 01:33:28,306 --> 01:33:31,867 It was simply another chord progression that Don Felder brought in. 1529 01:33:31,868 --> 01:33:35,305 It had no title, no lyrics, and no melody. 1530 01:33:35,306 --> 01:33:37,586 Glenn and I and JD Souther 1531 01:33:37,587 --> 01:33:40,904 all sat down and hammered out the rest of it. 1532 01:33:40,905 --> 01:33:42,385 We did let Mr Felder sing it. 1533 01:33:42,386 --> 01:33:45,985 He sang it dozens of times over the span of a week, over and over 1534 01:33:45,986 --> 01:33:47,065 and over again. 1535 01:33:47,066 --> 01:33:49,345 It simply didn't come up to band standards. 1536 01:33:51,745 --> 01:33:55,463 Victim Of Love had been recorded with Felder as the lead vocalist, 1537 01:33:55,464 --> 01:33:58,823 and my job was to take Don Felder out to lunch or dinner 1538 01:33:58,824 --> 01:34:02,105 while they went in the studio and put Henley's vocal on it. 1539 01:34:02,106 --> 01:34:05,785 # ...What kind of love have you got? # 1540 01:34:07,945 --> 01:34:12,784 Irving took me out and said that everybody in the band 1541 01:34:12,785 --> 01:34:15,303 thought that it was better if Don sang that. 1542 01:34:15,304 --> 01:34:18,025 And it was a little bit of a bitter pill to swallow. 1543 01:34:18,026 --> 01:34:21,383 I felt like Don was taking that song from me. 1544 01:34:21,384 --> 01:34:24,703 I'd been promised a song on the next record. 1545 01:34:24,704 --> 01:34:28,062 But there was no real way to argue with my vocal versus 1546 01:34:28,063 --> 01:34:29,302 Don Henley's vocal. 1547 01:34:29,303 --> 01:34:32,222 There was no way to argue with anybody's vocal in the band 1548 01:34:32,223 --> 01:34:34,425 compared to Don Henley. 1549 01:34:40,824 --> 01:34:44,263 Felder demanding to sing that song would be the equivalent of me 1550 01:34:44,264 --> 01:34:47,102 demanding to play lead guitar on Hotel California. 1551 01:34:47,103 --> 01:34:49,324 It just didn't make sense. 1552 01:34:52,823 --> 01:34:56,123 If you look at my vocal participation in the Eagles 1553 01:34:56,124 --> 01:35:00,000 over the course of the 1970s, I sang 1554 01:35:00,001 --> 01:35:01,582 less and less. 1555 01:35:01,583 --> 01:35:04,624 It was intentional. We had Don Henley. 1556 01:35:09,703 --> 01:35:17,502 Don and Glenn's position was, "This is the best thing for the Eagles". 1557 01:35:17,503 --> 01:35:19,662 And Don Felder never forgot that. 1558 01:35:20,784 --> 01:35:25,863 # ...What kind of love have you got? # 1559 01:35:32,062 --> 01:35:34,380 Get it! Get it! Run! Run! Run! 1560 01:35:34,381 --> 01:35:36,103 Shit! 1561 01:35:37,742 --> 01:35:39,342 This is a real healthy thing. 1562 01:35:39,343 --> 01:35:43,620 It promotes good feelings, among... the guys, 1563 01:35:43,621 --> 01:35:46,580 and it keeps us from killing each other. 1564 01:35:46,581 --> 01:35:49,100 Where's my glove? Who's got my glove? 1565 01:35:49,101 --> 01:35:51,020 If we can yell at each other on a baseball field, 1566 01:35:51,021 --> 01:35:54,699 then we don't have to yell at each other when we're working. 1567 01:35:54,700 --> 01:35:58,220 - Get all my frustrations out. - What frustrations? 1568 01:35:58,221 --> 01:35:59,779 I haven't been getting laid. 1569 01:35:59,780 --> 01:36:04,101 We try to get out and play softball with the crew if we have a day off. 1570 01:36:04,102 --> 01:36:08,380 - Swing, batter! - Oh, it's gone, it's gone. It's gone. 1571 01:36:08,381 --> 01:36:11,301 Something to help release the tension. 1572 01:36:11,302 --> 01:36:14,498 That's really what I do to keep from going crazy. 1573 01:36:14,499 --> 01:36:16,622 How do you keep from going crazy, Joe? 1574 01:36:18,821 --> 01:36:20,581 Well... 1575 01:36:24,221 --> 01:36:25,740 I tell you, I just... 1576 01:36:27,701 --> 01:36:32,059 In the press and the media, it was presented that we were 1577 01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:37,700 constantly at war, and I can't say that's exactly the case. 1578 01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:47,138 We were interacting and we were all intense. 1579 01:36:47,019 --> 01:36:48,939 Glenn said to me one time, 1580 01:36:48,940 --> 01:36:53,418 "I get nuts sometimes and I'm sorry". 1581 01:36:53,419 --> 01:36:54,778 Hey, Joe. 1582 01:36:54,779 --> 01:36:58,858 But that tension had a lot to do with 1583 01:36:58,859 --> 01:37:01,499 fanning the artistic fire. 1584 01:37:02,940 --> 01:37:09,059 Having that dynamic was important in making the music. 1585 01:37:11,059 --> 01:37:14,298 We're rehearsing now, and before we're even playing 1586 01:37:14,299 --> 01:37:16,937 and guys are just noodling around and getting their amps going 1587 01:37:16,738 --> 01:37:17,979 and stuff, we hear Joe go... 1588 01:37:21,738 --> 01:37:23,738 # Do-do-do-do-do. # 1589 01:37:23,739 --> 01:37:27,418 And everyone would kind of go, "What did you play? 1590 01:37:27,419 --> 01:37:29,018 Play that again". 1591 01:37:29,019 --> 01:37:33,456 That was an exercise I was doing because it's a coordination thing. 1592 01:37:33,457 --> 01:37:35,659 It's like one of these deals. 1593 01:37:36,777 --> 01:37:40,578 So, I was doing that to warm up, and they said, "What is that?". 1594 01:37:40,579 --> 01:37:44,538 And I said, "That's just something I have, you know?". 1595 01:37:45,658 --> 01:37:46,936 There you go. 1596 01:37:46,937 --> 01:37:48,496 That's the lick. 1597 01:37:48,497 --> 01:37:51,058 That's what we should build the song around. 1598 01:37:57,897 --> 01:38:01,775 I was riding shotgun in a Corvette with a drug dealer on the way 1599 01:38:01,776 --> 01:38:03,577 to a poker game, and the next thing I knew, 1600 01:38:03,578 --> 01:38:07,495 we were going about 90 miles an hour, holding big time. 1601 01:38:07,496 --> 01:38:10,216 I was like, "Hey, man. What are you doing?". 1602 01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:12,615 And he looked at me, and he grinned. 1603 01:38:12,616 --> 01:38:14,617 He goes, "Life in the fast lane". 1604 01:38:16,616 --> 01:38:20,256 And I thought, immediately, "Now, there's a song title." 1605 01:38:20,257 --> 01:38:25,536 # Life in the fast lane Surely make you lose your mind 1606 01:38:25,537 --> 01:38:27,497 # Life in the fast lane... # 1607 01:38:32,056 --> 01:38:33,854 Then they put out the greatest hits. 1608 01:38:33,855 --> 01:38:36,576 There was a period where we sold a million records 1609 01:38:36,577 --> 01:38:38,455 a month for 18 months. 1610 01:38:38,456 --> 01:38:42,336 It's a little-known fact that the Eagles had the biggest-selling 1611 01:38:42,337 --> 01:38:45,415 album of the 20th century. 1612 01:38:45,416 --> 01:38:51,935 But the music business never ever got honest of its own volition. 1613 01:38:51,936 --> 01:38:54,613 No record company ever went to an artist and said, 1614 01:38:54,614 --> 01:38:55,893 "You've done a great job. 1615 01:38:55,894 --> 01:38:58,255 We're going to increase your royalties". 1616 01:38:58,256 --> 01:39:01,375 So we created our own promotion company. 1617 01:39:01,376 --> 01:39:03,853 We created our own management company. 1618 01:39:03,854 --> 01:39:05,735 We had our own booking agency. 1619 01:39:05,736 --> 01:39:07,254 Stop any time. 1620 01:39:08,694 --> 01:39:11,895 # Take it to the limit... # 1621 01:39:13,695 --> 01:39:20,853 We achieved an amount of success beyond our wildest imagination, 1622 01:39:20,854 --> 01:39:24,374 and Randy really had trouble with it. 1623 01:39:26,134 --> 01:39:30,134 Randy used to have trouble singing the high note at the end of Take It To The Limit. 1624 01:39:30,135 --> 01:39:34,413 # ...Come on and take it to the limit 1625 01:39:34,414 --> 01:39:36,534 # One more time 1626 01:39:38,814 --> 01:39:41,372 # Take it to the limit... # 1627 01:39:41,373 --> 01:39:44,732 Oh, yeah, I was always kind of scared, basically. 1628 01:39:44,733 --> 01:39:47,773 "What if I don't hit it right?". It was a pretty high note. 1629 01:39:53,694 --> 01:39:58,373 And in the middle of the fade, you crank the volume knob and go, "What?!" 1630 01:39:58,374 --> 01:40:00,000 Randy could do it, 1631 01:40:00,001 --> 01:40:06,374 but if you made him do it, "Oh, no, man, I..." 1632 01:40:06,773 --> 01:40:13,212 # ...One more time. # 1633 01:40:13,213 --> 01:40:16,013 - Thank you. - Randy Meisner. 1634 01:40:17,292 --> 01:40:19,011 He'd call the road manager and say, 1635 01:40:19,012 --> 01:40:21,370 "Tell Glenn I don't want to do Take It To The Limit any more. 1636 01:40:21,371 --> 01:40:24,010 Take it out of the set". I confronted him about this. 1637 01:40:24,011 --> 01:40:25,210 I called him up, and I said, 1638 01:40:25,211 --> 01:40:29,410 "Randy, there's thousands of people waiting to hear you sing that song. 1639 01:40:29,411 --> 01:40:32,090 You just can't say, 'Fuck them. I don't feel like it.'. 1640 01:40:32,091 --> 01:40:33,769 Do you think I like singing Take It Easy 1641 01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:35,610 and Peaceful Easy Feeling every night? 1642 01:40:35,611 --> 01:40:36,930 I'm tired of those songs, 1643 01:40:36,931 --> 01:40:39,852 but there's people in the audience who've been waiting 1644 01:40:39,853 --> 01:40:42,891 years to see us do those songs". 1645 01:40:42,892 --> 01:40:46,932 We just got fed up with that and just said, "OK, don't sing it. 1646 01:40:46,933 --> 01:40:51,650 Why don't you just quit? You say you are unhappy, quit". 1647 01:40:51,651 --> 01:40:56,412 Randy never knew how great he was. He wasn't alpha. 1648 01:40:58,171 --> 01:41:02,131 Confrontations were really hard for him. 1649 01:41:02,132 --> 01:41:05,649 All I want to see is 5 guys happy playing together, 1650 01:41:05,650 --> 01:41:07,091 and that's what makes the music. 1651 01:41:12,330 --> 01:41:14,728 We were backstage and the crowd was going wild. 1652 01:41:14,729 --> 01:41:17,689 And our encore number was Take It To The Limit. 1653 01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:21,168 People loved that song, they went crazy when Randy hit those high notes. 1654 01:41:21,169 --> 01:41:23,128 But Randy didn't want to do the song that night. 1655 01:41:23,129 --> 01:41:25,769 He'd been up partying all night with a couple of girls 1656 01:41:25,770 --> 01:41:28,809 and a bottle of vodka, and Glenn kept trying to talk him into it. 1657 01:41:28,810 --> 01:41:32,009 He said, "Man, the people want to hear that song. You've got to do it". 1658 01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:34,129 And Randy kept saying no. 1659 01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:36,848 So after about the third or fourth time that Randy refused, Glenn 1660 01:41:36,849 --> 01:41:39,650 just backed up a couple of steps and said, "Fuck you then!". 1661 01:41:41,770 --> 01:41:45,407 There were police officers standing backstage and when they saw us 1662 01:41:45,408 --> 01:41:47,889 about to go at it, they started to move in 1663 01:41:47,890 --> 01:41:52,488 and Henley turned right to the cops and said, "Stay out of this! 1664 01:41:52,489 --> 01:41:56,290 "This is personal and it is private, real fucking private!". 1665 01:41:58,170 --> 01:42:01,288 The writing was on the wall and Randy was going to leave. 1666 01:42:05,248 --> 01:42:09,727 There was only one person to ever replace Randy Meisner in the Eagles 1667 01:42:09,728 --> 01:42:12,329 and in my mind it was Timothy B Schmit. 1668 01:42:14,288 --> 01:42:19,609 He replaced him in Poco, and plugged in and sang the same parts. 1669 01:42:21,288 --> 01:42:24,366 And I remember sitting with Irving and saying, "Irving, I think 1670 01:42:24,367 --> 01:42:28,606 we should get Timothy Schmit". He said, "I just saw Timothy. 1671 01:42:28,607 --> 01:42:31,365 I was out on the road when the guys in Poco were in the hotel bar 1672 01:42:31,366 --> 01:42:34,967 and Timothy was smashed out of his mind, he was jacked up. 1673 01:42:34,968 --> 01:42:36,727 You sure about this?". 1674 01:42:36,728 --> 01:42:39,886 I said, "Irving, if you had been in a band for 11 years 1675 01:42:39,887 --> 01:42:43,686 and you were still making 250 a week working 40 weeks a year, 1676 01:42:43,687 --> 01:42:46,646 maybe you would be a little smashed up yourself". 1677 01:42:46,647 --> 01:42:51,566 They asked me to join their band before I had even played 1678 01:42:51,567 --> 01:42:53,486 a note of music with them. 1679 01:42:53,487 --> 01:42:56,446 I just said, "Where do you want me? When? 1680 01:42:56,447 --> 01:42:58,607 I am definitely in". 1681 01:42:58,608 --> 01:43:02,045 We want to introduce you to the newest member of our band. 1682 01:43:02,046 --> 01:43:06,005 He is our new bass player and we got him from a really fine band, Poco. 1683 01:43:06,006 --> 01:43:09,485 Please give a nice Houston, Texas welcome to Timothy Schmidt. 1684 01:43:14,287 --> 01:43:17,566 I went on the road with them in 1978 as the new guy. 1685 01:43:17,567 --> 01:43:22,326 # ...Your smile is a thin disguise... # 1686 01:43:24,087 --> 01:43:27,925 And I heard a few, "Where is Randy?" from the audience. 1687 01:43:27,926 --> 01:43:31,086 But I knew it was a good move for them and me. 1688 01:43:37,046 --> 01:43:42,005 There were a lot of decisions business-wise that needed to be made 1689 01:43:42,006 --> 01:43:46,643 in a secret session, Glenn and Don and Irving in the back of the plane. 1690 01:43:46,644 --> 01:43:48,805 I didn't like that I wasn't part of that, 1691 01:43:48,806 --> 01:43:53,844 but I knew that it was good for the Eagles. 1692 01:43:53,845 --> 01:43:57,644 Don Felder REALLY did not like it. 1693 01:43:59,004 --> 01:44:01,842 Glenn and I saw ourselves as the leaders of the band 1694 01:44:01,843 --> 01:44:04,005 but other people saw us dictators. 1695 01:44:04,006 --> 01:44:08,763 You just cannot have 5e leaders in a band. It does not work. 1696 01:44:08,764 --> 01:44:11,444 People have to do what they do best. 1697 01:44:11,445 --> 01:44:17,004 There is all this undercurrent and resentment and plotting 1698 01:44:17,005 --> 01:44:22,284 and complaining and I'm sure Timothy thought, "What have I got myself into?". 1699 01:44:22,285 --> 01:44:26,122 I was just really happy to be there and all these tensions, it is 1700 01:44:26,123 --> 01:44:29,642 not that I did not feel it, but I had no idea how deep it was. 1701 01:44:29,643 --> 01:44:33,402 In my experience, all rock 'n' roll bands are on the verge of 1702 01:44:33,403 --> 01:44:35,044 breaking up at all times. 1703 01:44:37,524 --> 01:44:40,922 The band at that point had begun to split up into factions. 1704 01:44:40,923 --> 01:44:44,961 Don Felder, in an effort to gain more control, had co-opted Joe Walsh, 1705 01:44:44,962 --> 01:44:49,281 so much of the time it was Felder and Walsh against me and Glenn. 1706 01:44:49,282 --> 01:44:52,961 And at that point, even Glenn and I were beginning to have our differences. 1707 01:44:52,962 --> 01:44:55,483 It was tearing the band apart. 1708 01:44:56,404 --> 01:45:00,000 The magic ingredient that made the band successful was 1709 01:45:00,001 --> 01:45:01,721 the relationship between Don and Glenn. 1710 01:45:01,722 --> 01:45:05,601 Through years of touring, years in the studio, all of that 1711 01:45:05,602 --> 01:45:10,162 friction really started driving a wedge in between that relationship. 1712 01:45:13,082 --> 01:45:16,082 It reached a point where we were just tired of each other. 1713 01:45:16,083 --> 01:45:21,681 Tired of the hoopla, tired of touring, tired of pretty much everything. 1714 01:45:21,682 --> 01:45:25,400 At that point, song-writing was becoming very difficult. 1715 01:45:25,401 --> 01:45:28,443 How much sleep did you guys get? When did you get finished loading up? 1716 01:45:28,444 --> 01:45:32,602 - 2 o'clock? / - 5.30. - 5.30 this morning? / - Yeah. 1717 01:45:32,603 --> 01:45:37,561 After the success of Hotel California - Grammy winner, mega sales - 1718 01:45:37,562 --> 01:45:42,201 top that, and we show up at the studio and nobody has one song done. 1719 01:45:46,361 --> 01:45:48,482 I don't know what we will do first but... 1720 01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:54,600 I had enough of a piece where they both went "That's great. 1721 01:45:54,601 --> 01:45:57,879 Let's develop that", and I was really pleased that they wanted to 1722 01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:01,681 develop that one because it came out more as an R&B song. 1723 01:46:04,401 --> 01:46:06,520 And it is very simple. 1724 01:46:06,521 --> 01:46:11,400 Very simple instrumentation, very simple arrangement. 1725 01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,240 There's a lot of air in it. 1726 01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:22,240 That's why it works. 1727 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:29,719 # Look at us baby Up all night 1728 01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:34,000 # Tearing our love apart 1729 01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:40,279 # Aren't we the same two people who live... # 1730 01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:45,160 About halfway through, Don comes up to me and says, "There's your hit". 1731 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:53,598 # ...Every time I try to walk away 1732 01:46:53,599 --> 01:46:57,077 # Something makes me turn around and stay 1733 01:46:57,078 --> 01:47:02,639 # And I can't tell you why... # 1734 01:47:04,478 --> 01:47:11,519 We are on top of the world. We are young. We were overdoing everything. 1735 01:47:19,958 --> 01:47:22,998 There was a lot of chemical dependency going on within 1736 01:47:22,999 --> 01:47:24,917 the band and that was rough. 1737 01:47:26,399 --> 01:47:30,196 During all of that time of writing and recording The Long Run, 1738 01:47:30,197 --> 01:47:32,876 and all the time on the road that we were on the road doing 1739 01:47:32,877 --> 01:47:35,478 The Long Run, we were all using cocaine. 1740 01:47:36,758 --> 01:47:40,275 When we first started snorting coke it was like a writing tool. 1741 01:47:40,276 --> 01:47:43,678 Do a couple of bumps and kind of get started talking about stuff, 1742 01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:49,036 get yourself going and launch into some sort of idea for a song. 1743 01:47:49,037 --> 01:47:53,357 But in the end, cocaine brought out the worst in everybody. 1744 01:47:54,437 --> 01:47:57,757 Yes, this half hour of the show is brought to you by cocaine, 1745 01:47:57,758 --> 01:47:59,117 the makers of hits. 1746 01:48:02,716 --> 01:48:05,555 # ...In the long run 1747 01:48:05,556 --> 01:48:09,515 # Ooh I want to tell you it's a long run... # 1748 01:48:09,516 --> 01:48:13,794 Making that album was excruciating. We were just completely burned out. 1749 01:48:13,795 --> 01:48:17,155 We had driven ourselves really hard for almost a decade 1750 01:48:17,156 --> 01:48:18,716 and we were just fried. 1751 01:48:20,156 --> 01:48:23,394 It was long too. The days and hours would drag on, it would 1752 01:48:23,395 --> 01:48:26,076 feel like we were not getting anything done. 1753 01:48:33,316 --> 01:48:35,756 It was more painful than Hotel California. 1754 01:48:35,757 --> 01:48:37,955 It was more of a painful birth, 1755 01:48:37,956 --> 01:48:42,115 because all the stuff was going on and we were getting pretty frazzled. 1756 01:48:44,995 --> 01:48:50,756 And the record company didn't care if we farted and burped. 1757 01:48:52,874 --> 01:48:56,953 They would put that out. They didn't care. 1758 01:48:56,954 --> 01:49:01,793 "When can we have it?". Because that was their whole corporate quarter. 1759 01:49:01,794 --> 01:49:04,274 # Who can go the distance? 1760 01:49:04,275 --> 01:49:09,034 # We will find out in the long run 1761 01:49:09,035 --> 01:49:11,193 # In the long run... # 1762 01:49:11,194 --> 01:49:16,033 At that point, we inked in The Long Run as the title. 1763 01:49:16,034 --> 01:49:21,113 I think Henley said, "I know what to call this one. Look at us". 1764 01:49:21,114 --> 01:49:23,354 # ...We can handle some resistance... # 1765 01:49:25,435 --> 01:49:27,913 Hold it. Stop. 1766 01:49:27,914 --> 01:49:29,434 That is it. 1767 01:49:31,313 --> 01:49:34,993 Eagles, The Long Run, song 2, take 1. 1768 01:49:34,994 --> 01:49:38,311 It was a struggle, an endless start, stop, start, stop. 1769 01:49:38,312 --> 01:49:40,354 We called it The Long One. 1770 01:49:42,273 --> 01:49:44,511 It was the beginning of the end. 1771 01:49:44,512 --> 01:49:47,073 Even though I don't think I saw it right then. 1772 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,431 There were a lot of things building up 1773 01:49:53,432 --> 01:49:56,193 and a lot of things I tried to overlook for the good of the band, 1774 01:49:56,194 --> 01:50:00,000 and ultimately I just couldn't look past some of this any more. 1775 01:50:00,001 --> 01:50:04,273 And it festered because we didn't talk about these things. 1776 01:50:05,714 --> 01:50:07,752 It finally came to a head in Long Beach. 1777 01:50:07,753 --> 01:50:11,232 We were doing a benefit for Senator Alan Cranston. 1778 01:50:11,233 --> 01:50:13,590 He was concerned about a lot of some of the same issues 1779 01:50:13,591 --> 01:50:16,433 we were concerned about, including environmental destruction 1780 01:50:16,434 --> 01:50:19,471 and the war, so we wanted to support him. 1781 01:50:19,472 --> 01:50:21,110 Felder didn't like us doing benefits, 1782 01:50:21,111 --> 01:50:23,952 he just thought that was money that should be going into his pocket. 1783 01:50:23,953 --> 01:50:27,871 "Why are we doing it for Jerry Brown or anti-nukes?". 1784 01:50:29,311 --> 01:50:32,991 # Are you willing to sacrifice? # 1785 01:50:32,992 --> 01:50:38,190 Alan Cranston and his wife are coming around to personally thank 1786 01:50:38,191 --> 01:50:40,870 every member of the Eagles for doing this. 1787 01:50:40,871 --> 01:50:45,269 I was very uninformed about politics, I couldn't care 1788 01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:49,311 less about politics, I didn't even know or care who Alan Cranston was. 1789 01:50:50,391 --> 01:50:52,629 Senator Cranston went up to Felder and said, 1790 01:50:52,630 --> 01:50:55,428 "I want to thank you", and Felder looked at the Senator and said, 1791 01:50:55,429 --> 01:50:59,031 "You're welcome", and then as he was turning away he said, "I guess". 1792 01:50:59,032 --> 01:51:00,349 "I guess." 1793 01:51:00,350 --> 01:51:03,429 "I guess". And Glenn heard it. 1794 01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:07,110 And I just... got really mad. 1795 01:51:07,111 --> 01:51:10,308 I was drinking a long-necked Bud and walked into the tuning room 1796 01:51:10,309 --> 01:51:12,471 while Walsh and Felder was and took the beer bottle 1797 01:51:12,472 --> 01:51:16,509 and threw it against the wall and smashed it. 1798 01:51:16,510 --> 01:51:17,950 I stormed out. 1799 01:51:17,951 --> 01:51:24,509 I got more mad and more mad. By the time we went on stage, I was seething. 1800 01:51:24,510 --> 01:51:26,107 I wanted to kill Felder. 1801 01:51:26,108 --> 01:51:28,629 Thank you again very much from all the Eagles, 1802 01:51:28,630 --> 01:51:31,869 and for Senator Cranston for coming out here and checking it out. 1803 01:51:33,269 --> 01:51:34,790 1, 2, 3, 4. 1804 01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:44,388 A lot of tensions between Glenn and Felder 1805 01:51:44,389 --> 01:51:50,667 and the real manifestation of it came that night. 1806 01:51:50,668 --> 01:51:56,428 # Somebody is going to hurt someone before the night is through... 1807 01:51:56,429 --> 01:51:58,828 So now we are playing the show 1808 01:51:58,829 --> 01:52:02,069 and trying to act like everything is OK and we get through the songs, 1809 01:52:02,070 --> 01:52:07,468 and I just keep looking over at him, "You ungrateful son of a bitch". 1810 01:52:07,469 --> 01:52:10,427 # There's going to be a heartache tonight 1811 01:52:10,428 --> 01:52:13,147 # A heartache tonight, I know... # 1812 01:52:14,588 --> 01:52:18,545 Just seeing that, I really saw how serious it was at that show. 1813 01:52:18,546 --> 01:52:21,387 They were fighting on stage, Szymczyk has audio of it. 1814 01:52:21,388 --> 01:52:23,906 You are a real pro, Don, all the way. 1815 01:52:23,907 --> 01:52:27,026 Yeah, you are too, the way you handle people, except for the people you pay. 1816 01:52:27,027 --> 01:52:28,305 Nobody gives a shit about it. 1817 01:52:28,306 --> 01:52:31,387 Fuck you, I have been paying you for 7 years, you fuckhead. 1818 01:52:32,588 --> 01:52:35,146 So it starts getting towards the end of the set 1819 01:52:35,147 --> 01:52:38,864 and I am looking at him going, "Three more songs, asshole". 1820 01:52:38,865 --> 01:52:41,745 And I am looking at him and I am ready to go. 1821 01:52:41,746 --> 01:52:44,066 I can't wait to get my hands on him. 1822 01:52:45,187 --> 01:52:48,907 "When we get off the stage, I am going to kick your ass". 1823 01:52:48,908 --> 01:52:51,427 Fucking kill you. I can't wait. 1824 01:52:54,027 --> 01:52:58,786 When that kind of stuff is on stage and you're in front of people, 1825 01:52:58,787 --> 01:53:00,427 you've got problems. 1826 01:53:06,107 --> 01:53:07,266 Thank you very much. 1827 01:53:08,586 --> 01:53:13,225 We got through the show and it just, all hell broke loose backstage. 1828 01:53:14,545 --> 01:53:18,745 When the set ended, he was out ahead of me, took his cheapest guitar... 1829 01:53:24,946 --> 01:53:29,305 ...busted it in a million pieces, jumped into his limousine and drove off. 1830 01:53:31,587 --> 01:53:35,385 And that was it. That was really the straw that broke the camel's back. 1831 01:53:37,226 --> 01:53:38,864 # Well, baby, there you stand... # 1832 01:53:44,865 --> 01:53:48,866 Someone wrote the Eagles went out with a whimper not a bang, 1833 01:53:48,667 --> 01:53:50,265 which was true. 1834 01:53:51,946 --> 01:53:58,464 # ...Oh my God, I can't believe it is happening again... # 1835 01:53:58,465 --> 01:54:03,065 I didn't want to hear it. This was like my super dream had come true. 1836 01:54:03,066 --> 01:54:06,184 # ...And it looks like the end... # 1837 01:54:07,585 --> 01:54:11,822 So I called Glen and I said, "What is the status? What is going on? 1838 01:54:11,823 --> 01:54:14,705 "Is this thing really broken up?". He said, "Yeah, it is over". 1839 01:54:17,344 --> 01:54:23,063 We were beat and it was really affecting the foundational core, 1840 01:54:23,064 --> 01:54:26,982 the soul of the band. We hit the wall. 1841 01:54:26,983 --> 01:54:30,143 You work, work, work, you get up to a peak 1842 01:54:30,144 --> 01:54:37,981 and then it is almost invariably people head-butt and, "Whose band is it?". 1843 01:54:37,982 --> 01:54:41,783 And, "I am in charge." And, "No, you are not". And there you go. 1844 01:54:41,784 --> 01:54:49,584 # ...You never thought you'd be alone. This far down the line... # 1845 01:54:49,843 --> 01:54:53,701 We had always said that we wanted to step off the wave just before it 1846 01:54:53,702 --> 01:54:56,763 crashed into the beach. And we did. 1847 01:54:57,502 --> 01:55:00,000 # ...You're afraid 1848 01:55:00,001 --> 01:55:04,383 it's all been wasted time... 1849 01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:13,302 # ...The autumn leaves have got you thinking... # 1850 01:55:15,782 --> 01:55:19,461 The Beatle guys say they never thought, McCartney never thought that 1851 01:55:19,462 --> 01:55:23,940 band was going to last more than 2 years, because no pop band did. 1852 01:55:23,941 --> 01:55:26,782 I think it's part of it. It comes together, it's magic 1853 01:55:26,783 --> 01:55:28,700 and it falls apart. 1854 01:55:28,701 --> 01:55:34,941 But how cool that it even happens at all. 1855 01:55:34,942 --> 01:55:38,420 # ...I could have done so many things, baby... # 1856 01:55:38,421 --> 01:55:39,900 It was magical. 1857 01:55:39,901 --> 01:55:42,500 # ...If I could only stop my mind... # 1858 01:55:42,501 --> 01:55:45,939 They wrote a lot of great, great songs that will be celebrated 1859 01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:47,980 and listened to and loved for a long time. 1860 01:55:50,861 --> 01:55:56,819 We managed to represent that period of time in the '70s, 1861 01:55:56,820 --> 01:56:01,940 Southern California, which was very artistically creative. 1862 01:56:03,380 --> 01:56:10,699 I hope that is remembered like the roaring '20s are, you know? 1863 01:56:10,700 --> 01:56:12,540 Our generation and what we did. 1864 01:56:14,980 --> 01:56:19,139 # ...You can get on with your search Baby 1865 01:56:19,140 --> 01:56:24,579 # And I can get on with mine 1866 01:56:24,580 --> 01:56:30,819 # And maybe some day we will find 1867 01:56:33,220 --> 01:56:38,659 # That it wasn't really wasted time. # 1868 01:56:44,778 --> 01:56:47,979 We set out to become a band for our time, but sometimes 1869 01:56:47,980 --> 01:56:53,339 if you do a good enough job, you become a band for all time. 1870 01:57:10,217 --> 01:57:13,977 # On a dark desert highway 1871 01:57:13,978 --> 01:57:17,416 # Cool wind in my hair 1872 01:57:17,417 --> 01:57:20,777 # Warm smell of colitas 1873 01:57:20,778 --> 01:57:24,537 # Rising up through the air 1874 01:57:24,538 --> 01:57:27,377 # Up ahead in the distance 1875 01:57:27,378 --> 01:57:31,136 # I saw a shimmering light 1876 01:57:31,137 --> 01:57:33,418 # My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim 1877 01:57:33,419 --> 01:57:36,896 # I had to stop for the night 1878 01:57:36,897 --> 01:57:40,577 # There she stood in the doorway 1879 01:57:40,578 --> 01:57:43,416 # I heard the mission bell 1880 01:57:43,417 --> 01:57:45,896 # I was thinking to myself 1881 01:57:45,897 --> 01:57:49,336 # This could be heaven or this could be hell 1882 01:57:49,337 --> 01:57:52,935 # Then she lit up a candle 1883 01:57:52,936 --> 01:57:56,335 # And she showed me the way 1884 01:57:56,336 --> 01:58:02,776 # There were voices down the corridor I thought I heard them say... # 161658

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