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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,700 --> 00:00:04,810 ♪ ANIMAL MAGIC THEME TUNE ♪ 2 00:00:06,900 --> 00:00:08,090 Stand by two. 3 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:10,130 Make through, cue on two. 4 00:00:10,180 --> 00:00:12,370 The BBC has announced the appointment of ex-head 5 00:00:12,420 --> 00:00:16,220 of Olympic Deliverance, Ian Fletcher, as its new Head of Values. 6 00:00:21,420 --> 00:00:23,820 Time now for the shipping forecast. 7 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:26,930 Superimpose... 8 00:00:37,860 --> 00:00:41,530 A new week at the BBC's central nervous centre in Central London, 9 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:45,770 but already it hasn't started well for Head of Values, Ian Fletcher. 10 00:00:45,820 --> 00:00:49,170 With just a mile left to cover on his journey to work, he's had 11 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:51,290 a puncture in the Marylebone Road. 12 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:54,090 But the advantage of a bike that you can simply fold up and carry 13 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:56,210 is that you can simply fold it up and carry it 14 00:00:56,260 --> 00:00:58,200 for the rest of the way. 15 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:13,170 ~ Will. ~ Oh, yeah, hi, yeah, hi. How are you? 16 00:01:13,220 --> 00:01:15,010 ~ I'm in a bit of a hurry, I'm a bit late. ~ OK. 17 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:17,610 ~ I was wondering, if you have got any time today... ~ Yeah, sure. 18 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:20,930 ~ .. between other things... ~ Yeah. ~ I had a puncture on my way in... ~ OK, cool. 19 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:25,330 ~ .. and I wondered... ~ Yeah, no worries, I'll take it to this cool bike shop I used to work in. ~ Right. 20 00:01:25,380 --> 00:01:27,010 I know exactly where it is. 21 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:29,010 Yes, so if... You used to work in a bike shop? 22 00:01:29,060 --> 00:01:31,210 ~ Yeah, for, like, three days. ~ Right. Well... 23 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:34,410 Yeah, cos, like, if I get it mended, does that mean I could ride it back? 24 00:01:34,460 --> 00:01:39,450 ~ Yes, I mean... ~ Cool. ~ Obviously that's up to you. ~ Yeah, up to me, cool. ~ That'd be great, Will, thanks. 25 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,690 You can take my helmet if you want to. 26 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:45,370 OK, cool, yeah, no worries. Yeah, cos, like, you don't want to get killed. 27 00:01:45,420 --> 00:01:47,340 ~ No. ~ Cool. 28 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:52,490 ~ So the other exciting news to get out there this morning... ~ Yay. ~ Shut up. 29 00:01:52,540 --> 00:01:55,570 ~ .. and I've talked to Siobhan about this... ~ Oh, right? ~ You so have. 30 00:01:55,620 --> 00:01:58,650 .. and for what it's worth I know Tony's pretty spunky about this... 31 00:01:58,700 --> 00:02:01,370 ~ Spunky? ~ He's totally amped. ~ What? 32 00:02:01,420 --> 00:02:05,050 ~ Hi. ~ Oh, thank God! ~ Sorry. ~ No, Captain Values, come on in. 33 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:07,650 ~ A few transport issues this morning. ~ Gah, no, bad luck. 34 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:10,370 With the creation of the new Directorship of Betterness 35 00:02:10,420 --> 00:02:13,410 at an extremely senior level, the question now is how best to 36 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:17,130 announce that idea to a so far unsuspecting public. 37 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:21,250 OK, so here's the thing with this. Here's what it is - BBC Better is such a cool idea. 38 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:24,570 ~ It's like a game changer, OK? That's a no-brainer. ~ Brilliant. 39 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:27,530 But you want buy-in to the idea of, like, major shit. 40 00:02:27,580 --> 00:02:30,850 ~ I mean, you've got to pre-sell the movie rights first. ~ What? 41 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:34,490 But luckily for the BBC, pre-selling the movie rights to major shit 42 00:02:34,540 --> 00:02:38,370 is one of PR company Perfect Curve's key areas of strength. 43 00:02:38,420 --> 00:02:40,450 This would be some kind of event, would it? 44 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:42,130 ~ Some kind of event? ~ Yes. 45 00:02:42,180 --> 00:02:44,970 Yes, cos what we have done in the past, which works quite well, 46 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:47,570 we have used the Radio Theatre for things like this. 47 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:50,730 ~ Excuse me? ~ It's convenient, obviously. ~ The Radio Theatre? ~ Yes. 48 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:53,090 We're talking, like, majorly iconic venues here. 49 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:57,970 It's becoming clear that Siobhan has ambitious plans for launching the idea of BBC Better. 50 00:02:58,020 --> 00:03:01,330 I mean, just to introduce a note of caution for a moment, Siobhan. 51 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:04,970 ~ Yes, exactly, Ian. ~ but it is a BBC sponsored event we're talking about here. ~ Sure. 52 00:03:05,020 --> 00:03:09,530 ~ We're a publicly funded organisation. It's not The Brit Awards. ~ No. ~ So what's your point? 53 00:03:09,580 --> 00:03:12,770 ~ Well, we may need to be a bit careful about tone, that's all. ~ Yes, exactly. 54 00:03:12,820 --> 00:03:16,330 ~ We don't want to get ahead of ourselves. ~ Like, where else do you want to be? ~ Well... 55 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:19,050 You want to be BEHIND yourself? Like, you cannot have said that. 56 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:21,610 Can I just say, speaking personally on this, guys, 57 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:24,770 ~ I still think the Radio Theatre has a lot of... ~ Two words 58 00:03:24,820 --> 00:03:29,410 you never want to hear anywhere near event management - radio and theatre. 59 00:03:29,460 --> 00:03:32,650 ~ I'm guessing you haven't actually been in there, Siobhan, cos... ~ OK. 60 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:35,090 .. you can actually adjust the lighting in there. 61 00:03:35,140 --> 00:03:39,330 Here are some words you DO want to hear in event management in like the 20th century... 62 00:03:39,380 --> 00:03:42,530 ~ 21st century. ~ OK, sure, whatever. ~ Just a detail. ~ Like, NOW, OK? 63 00:03:42,580 --> 00:03:45,770 ~ Well, exactly, yes, right. ~ OK, so like, "groovy" and, like, "function". 64 00:03:45,820 --> 00:03:49,130 ~ Brilliant. ~ Like "champagne" and, like, "reception". ~ Yes, very good. 65 00:03:49,180 --> 00:03:51,570 "Cool" and, like, "brainy-dudes". 66 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:56,210 Like, "major" and "auditorium", like, "Laura" and "Mvula". 67 00:03:56,260 --> 00:03:59,450 ~ "Twitter" and, like, "total meltdown" OK? ~ Brilliant. 68 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,130 Now, that's an event. OK? 69 00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:02,410 ~ Right. ~ No, yes, no. 70 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:03,930 It's too joyous. 71 00:04:03,980 --> 00:04:07,130 And then Anna Rampton walks out on that stage on her own 72 00:04:07,180 --> 00:04:10,530 ~ and she totally seriously kills. ~ Brilliant. 73 00:04:10,580 --> 00:04:13,780 ~ Bollocks. ~ Go, Anna. ~ Yes, no, the fact is, I... yes. 74 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:28,530 ~ Hi, Will. ~ Oh, yeah, hey, Izzy, yeah, cool. 75 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:32,130 ~ You look like you're off somewhere. ~ Yeah, yeah. ~ With Ian Fletcher's bike. 76 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:35,410 ~ Yeah, I know, yeah, pretty cool. I'm taking it to get it mended? ~ OK. 77 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:37,890 ~ Yeah, it's got, like, a puncture. ~ Right, well, have fun. 78 00:04:37,940 --> 00:04:40,570 ~ Yeah, no worries, yeah, this is his helmet. ~ Yes, right. 79 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:42,730 Yeah, so I'll probably ride it back. 80 00:04:42,780 --> 00:04:46,210 OK, well, thanks for bringing me up to speed with all that. 81 00:04:46,260 --> 00:04:48,660 Yeah, no, no worries, yeah, cool. 82 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:57,170 ~ Yes? ~ So, like, where's Jack? 83 00:04:57,220 --> 00:05:01,530 ~ Oh, Jack's gone. ~ He's gone? ~ No, he's moved on. ~ So what, like, left? 84 00:05:01,580 --> 00:05:05,010 ~ No, with Anna's new job, he's got this new thing with her now. ~ With Anna. 85 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:08,460 ~ Off in Development, yes. ~ Yeah, development, yeah. ~ Yes. 86 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:12,040 OK, cool. 87 00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:25,850 Elsewhere in the building, 88 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:29,170 long-serving producer Lucy Freeman has been thinking hard about her 89 00:05:29,220 --> 00:05:32,730 future at the BBC and has decided to make herself a cup of coffee. 90 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:35,170 ~ Oh, David. ~ Hi, Lucy. How are you today? 91 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:37,330 Yes, fine, yes. I didn't see you there. 92 00:05:37,380 --> 00:05:40,010 No, I know. I'm just getting my slow release. 93 00:05:40,060 --> 00:05:41,170 Yes, so I see. 94 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:45,530 ~ Can I just ask you, have you lost weight? ~ Me? ~ Yes. ~ No, I... 95 00:05:45,580 --> 00:05:47,690 ~ Have you not? ~ No, I don't think so, no. Why? 96 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:51,660 I don't know. Maybe it's just those jeans. Honestly, you're so lucky, Lucy. 97 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:57,490 What exactly do you want, David, cos I'm finding this a bit... 98 00:05:57,540 --> 00:06:00,290 No, nothing, Lucy, I don't want anything. 99 00:06:00,340 --> 00:06:03,740 ~ Anyway, I'm not supposed to tell anyone anyway, so... ~ Right. ~ No. 100 00:06:06,220 --> 00:06:10,090 ~ Tell what? ~ So, I had a meeting with Anna last night, she asked to see me. 101 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:12,330 Apparently, when she first mentioned One Big Family 102 00:06:12,380 --> 00:06:14,890 at the interview... Oh, my God, that's such a genius title. 103 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:19,530 When she talked about it, they were like, we haven't even got enough boxes for that to tick. 104 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:21,810 ~ Good, I'm very pleased for her. ~ I know, lovely Anna. 105 00:06:21,860 --> 00:06:25,690 Anyway, she's, like, "First of all that show is going to be massive, 106 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:28,570 ~ "and you're going to exec produce it." ~ Hang on... 107 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:29,930 ~ Me, I mean. ~ Oh, right. 108 00:06:29,980 --> 00:06:32,370 It was like I was being enunciated or something. 109 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:33,770 ~ Is that the right word? ~ No. 110 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:37,530 ~ Doesn't matter, it sounds right. ~ Yes. ~ And anyway, then she's like, 111 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:41,050 ~ "This is absolutely top secret. You're not to tell anybody." ~ No. 112 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:44,170 "There's going to be lots of changes. There's going to be this new job, 113 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:47,130 ~ "like, Senior Executive, Primetime Factuality." ~ Right. 114 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:52,210 "They're going to have to interview for it, but basically they'd like it to be you." 115 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:57,610 ~ You mean you. ~ Me, yes. ~ Right. Well, that's great, David, I mean, that's really great. ~ I know. 116 00:06:57,660 --> 00:07:00,930 ~ I'm not sure what else to say. ~ Couldn't believe it. ~ No, it is astonishing. 117 00:07:00,980 --> 00:07:05,370 ~ I went straight over into All Bar One afterwards and had three Flaming Volcanoes straight off. ~ Really. 118 00:07:05,420 --> 00:07:07,820 ~ I didn't know what else to do. ~ No. 119 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:28,170 ~ That's not centred. ~ No, I'm just doing it. ~ Yes. 120 00:07:28,220 --> 00:07:30,490 ~ You didn't like the idea of Steve Coogan. ~ No. 121 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:33,290 ~ I just thought that might be, like... ~ No, I don't want him. 122 00:07:33,340 --> 00:07:36,410 Meanwhile, Anna is acclimatising quickly to her even more 123 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:39,570 elevated role as the BBC's first ever Director of Better. 124 00:07:39,620 --> 00:07:44,130 ~ And with Lord Reith? ~ Yes. ~ Cos apparently he was like the first ever... ~ Yes, no, I saw the pictures. 125 00:07:44,180 --> 00:07:45,890 ~ He's too frightening. ~ Right, sure, yes. 126 00:07:45,940 --> 00:07:49,010 But with great power comes great responsibility, and her first task 127 00:07:49,060 --> 00:07:52,850 has been to launch a thorough review of the back wall of her office. 128 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:57,010 ~ OK, that's... ~ Good. ~ Oh, yeah, great news about the Better launch. ~ Yes. 129 00:07:57,060 --> 00:08:01,210 ~ Like, I've never been to Pinewood, but it sounds like Siobhan's pulling out all... ~ Exactly, yes. 130 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:04,410 ~ So I bumped into Alice in the coffee queue. ~ Alice? 131 00:08:04,460 --> 00:08:06,970 ~ Alice, Tony Hall's... ~ Yes, Alice, yes, her. 132 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,250 ~ So with the BBC Better Launch... ~ Yes. 133 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:13,090 ~ .. she was talking about releasing bits of your speech to the press beforehand. ~ Before it. 134 00:08:13,140 --> 00:08:15,050 ~ Apparently that's, like, standard. ~ Mm. 135 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:18,940 Also she thought Tony would want to have a look at a draft before you finalise it. 136 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:26,020 ~ Yes, so I... ~ Yes. ~ I said we'd send something over. ~ Yes. ~ Yes. ~ Yes. 137 00:08:34,420 --> 00:08:38,650 ~ It was fine first thing. Obviously, anything to with Syncopatico's always a bit... ~ Yeah. 138 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:43,250 ~ But at some point I seem to have got all your events in my SyncopaticCal. ~ Yeah, no, crap. 139 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:46,330 Meanwhile, in his new official capacity as Assistant to the Head of 140 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:50,090 Values, Will is already making a big difference to Ian's working life. 141 00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:52,530 ~ In the meantime I don't know where my events have gone. ~ Yeah. 142 00:08:52,580 --> 00:08:56,450 ~ They've disappeared. ~ Yeah, no, they're all here. ~ What? ~ Yeah, no, it does that. 143 00:08:56,500 --> 00:09:00,370 Keen to learn, he's passed the first half of the crucial SyncopatiShare 144 00:09:00,420 --> 00:09:04,370 module of his BBC Syncopatico induction course with flying colours. 145 00:09:04,420 --> 00:09:07,770 But until he's done the second half, he's unable to stop his new 146 00:09:07,820 --> 00:09:13,010 SyncopatiPad shaking hands automatically with other devices that may stray into its sights. 147 00:09:13,060 --> 00:09:18,050 ~ I know it's not your fault, Will. ~ Yeah. ~ Although now I think about it I'm not sure. ~ Yeah, I know, crap. 148 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:21,690 ~ But this is just... ~ Yeah, no, cool, like, why don't you just have mine? 149 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:25,450 ~ What? ~ I'll have yours till, like, something happens. ~ Right, but... 150 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:27,530 ~ I've only just thought of that. ~ Yes, I can tell. 151 00:09:27,580 --> 00:09:30,290 But even though he's still new to some of the responsibilities 152 00:09:30,340 --> 00:09:33,210 of a personal assistant, Will is not afraid of having big ideas. 153 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:38,010 ~ No, I don't think... What if this starts shaking hands with other tablets all over the place? ~ Yeah. 154 00:09:38,060 --> 00:09:40,770 ~ Oh, hang on, what the hell's this? ~ What? 155 00:09:40,820 --> 00:09:43,050 ~ You've got some of Simon Harwood's stuff. ~ Yeah. 156 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:46,810 I'm sorry, Will, this, I can't... I mean this is really.... 157 00:09:46,860 --> 00:09:49,810 Cos, like, I had to go into Simon Harwood's office earlier. 158 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:52,970 ~ I was looking for Izzy and, like, it shook hands with him too. ~ Yes. 159 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:54,850 ~ And then it stopped again when I went. ~ Mm. 160 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:56,770 Yeah, I don't know, yeah, mental. 161 00:09:56,820 --> 00:09:58,060 No. 162 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:04,170 Like, it's actually really annoying? 163 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:08,090 So does this...? I mean, could I...? If I wanted to, would I be able to print this out? 164 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:10,290 ~ Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. ~ So I just... 165 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:13,450 ~ Yeah, no, we did SyncopatiPrint last week. ~ You sure about this, Will? 166 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,930 Like, you can print to any printer anywhere in the building no matter where you are. 167 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:20,980 ~ Cos I wouldn't necessarily want anyone else to... ~ Yeah, no, cool. 168 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:23,010 ~ OK, done. Cool. ~ Great. 169 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:24,730 Yeah, no worries. 170 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:27,850 ~ So where's it printing? ~ Yeah, no, cos... Say again? 171 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:31,210 ~ Which printer's it printing at? ~ Yeah, no, it doesn't tell you that. 172 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:34,930 ~ It doesn't tell you? ~ Like, it could be any printer anywhere in the building. 173 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:37,980 ~ Right. ~ Yeah, no, it's pretty cool. ~ Yes. 174 00:10:52,260 --> 00:10:55,780 ~ Sorry, Anna. ~ Jack. ~ Lucy's here if you're ready. ~ Yes, no, she can come in. 175 00:10:57,020 --> 00:11:00,130 ~ Here she is. ~ Right, yes. Hi, Anna. ~ Yes, you can sit down. 176 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:02,930 Meanwhile, Lucy Freeman has made a big decision 177 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:05,250 and has come to have a conversation with new Director 178 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:08,490 of Better, Anna Rampton, no matter how difficult that's going to be. 179 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:11,090 So, you're probably wondering why I wanted to see you. 180 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:13,690 Yes, I mean, well, it was me that asked to see you, actually. 181 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:16,570 ~ OK, well... ~ Oh, congratulations, by the way. ~ Yes. 182 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:18,570 ~ Very exciting. ~ Yes, exactly. 183 00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:21,570 Yes, no, I thought I'd better come and see you, really, now, 184 00:11:21,620 --> 00:11:24,770 before things, cos I know you were keen for me help David with... 185 00:11:24,820 --> 00:11:28,730 Anna has asked her to work alongside David Wilkes on One Big Family, 186 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:33,450 but Lucy has decided that it might be a better idea for her to leave the BBC instead. 187 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:36,570 I've been doing some thinking, quite a lot of thinking, actually, 188 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:39,770 ~ and what I've... It's a big thing, but I've... ~ OK, no. 189 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:42,970 ~ Sorry, Anna, I haven't... ~ No, that's not what I want to talk to you about. ~ No. 190 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:47,050 ~ I wanted to talk to YOU. ~ But the fact remains it's not what I want to talk about. 191 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:49,650 ~ The fact is, I wanted to ask you something. ~ Yes, but... 192 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:52,940 I don't know how much you know about the idea behind BBC Better. 193 00:11:54,380 --> 00:12:00,610 Right, well... I mean, I'm aware of it, obviously. I've heard about it, but beyond that I'm not really... 194 00:12:00,660 --> 00:12:02,850 No. One of the things I'm passionate about is 195 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:06,210 the idea of inclusivity as a corps value right across the BBC. 196 00:12:06,260 --> 00:12:08,970 ~ Right. ~ Yes. You may know that already. ~ No, I didn't. 197 00:12:09,020 --> 00:12:11,570 ~ As you say, it's very exciting. ~ Well, I mean that's... 198 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:16,850 ~ I'm committed to the idea of creating a new Head of Inclusivity. ~ Right, are you? 199 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:20,250 And I wanted to ask you how you'd feel about applying for that post. 200 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:25,060 ~ Me? ~ Yes exactly, yes. ~ Right. ~ Yes. 201 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:29,180 Take your time. 202 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:42,130 Meanwhile Ian is one of many people in New Broadcasting House 203 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:45,050 who have been brought closer together by the BBC's cutting edge 204 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:47,380 new SyncopatiPrint technology. 205 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:53,730 Neil, hi. 206 00:12:53,780 --> 00:12:54,970 Right... 207 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:56,250 When? 208 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:59,210 ~ We're talking live here. ~ Yes, no, I know. ~ Yeah, live, yeah. 209 00:12:59,260 --> 00:13:01,490 No, brilliant, Neil, let's do the show right here. 210 00:13:01,540 --> 00:13:04,690 Media reaction to the announcement of Newsnight anchor 211 00:13:04,740 --> 00:13:07,770 Evan Davis's forthcoming role in Strictly Come Dancing 212 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:10,730 has been both extensive and universally negative. 213 00:13:10,780 --> 00:13:13,850 And with the BBC's unparalleled reputation for impartiality 214 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:17,210 to maintain, it's crucial that coverage of the story 215 00:13:17,260 --> 00:13:19,810 on its own news channels is more negative than anyone else's. 216 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:23,050 ~ Do we really have to do this? ~ Yeah, we do, yeah. ~ I know. 217 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:24,330 Welcome to my world. 218 00:13:24,380 --> 00:13:26,850 With that in mind, Ian has been put forward to be 219 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:30,570 interviewed about the issue live on tonight's six o'clock news bulletin. 220 00:13:30,620 --> 00:13:33,290 ~ I'll do this if absolutely no-one else will. ~ Brilliant. 221 00:13:33,340 --> 00:13:35,570 But really I have to say, I'm not really sure why me. 222 00:13:35,620 --> 00:13:37,730 You guys know how you want to play this, 223 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:40,250 but people like the idea of the BBC having values. 224 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,570 ~ Yeah, bollocks, Simon. ~ Brilliant. Also, like Tony says, if you sign Ronaldo, 225 00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:46,730 ~ you don't leave him on the bench, you get him on the pitch. ~ Right. 226 00:13:46,780 --> 00:13:48,570 ~ Yeah, plus no-one else will do it. ~ No. 227 00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:51,410 Yes, no, brilliant, guys. Brilliant, brilliant. 228 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:55,930 With the decision made, for Ian, by far the most significant aspect 229 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:59,660 of being on the six o'clock news is that it's now nine minutes to six. 230 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,210 ~ Oh, Ian, yes, hi. ~ Anna, hi. ~ I wanted to talk to you. 231 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:08,410 ~ I'm actually just on way down... ~ I'm going to say something about Values at the Better Launch. 232 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:11,330 ~ OK, great. As I say, I'm just... ~ The fact is it's important. 233 00:14:11,380 --> 00:14:14,250 ~ Yes, no, fine by me, Anna, we should talk about it. ~ Yes, exactly. 234 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:16,730 ~ This is live, so... ~ I need to know what you had in mind. 235 00:14:16,780 --> 00:14:21,210 ~ What? Yes. What I had in mind? ~ Yes. You're Head of Values. ~ Anna, I can't really... ~ OK, fine. 236 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:24,930 ~ If you want to e-mail something to Jack by tomorrow I'll see what I can do. ~ Right. ~ Yes. 237 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:27,720 ~ Anna, I've really got to go. ~ Yes, OK, good. 238 00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:31,250 By six o'clock, it's time for the six o'clock news. 239 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:33,850 The BBC is facing mounting criticism tonight 240 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:37,850 after it announced that Evan Davis, the presenter of Newsnight, 241 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:40,530 is to appear as a contestant in the next series 242 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:43,730 of the BBC One entertainment show, Strictly Come Dancing. 243 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:47,570 ~ Ian, hi. ~ Hi. ~ Ben. ~ Yes, hello, yes. ~ Thanks very much for doing this. 244 00:14:47,620 --> 00:14:49,810 ~ No, it's my pleasure. ~ Are you warm enough? ~ Yes, no... 245 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:52,250 ~ We've got another coat here... ~ No, I'm fine, thanks. ~ OK. 246 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:56,290 ~ 90 seconds tops, so it should be pretty straightforward. ~ Yes, good. ~ Great. 247 00:14:56,340 --> 00:14:58,690 Our Media Correspondent is Benedict Cartwright 248 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:01,330 is outside New Broadcasting House for us now. 249 00:15:01,380 --> 00:15:05,370 Ben, this is news that the BBC could presumably do without right now? 250 00:15:05,420 --> 00:15:07,730 Sophie, it is, Sophie, yes. 251 00:15:07,780 --> 00:15:11,290 The issues for the BBC around this are many and complex of course, 252 00:15:11,340 --> 00:15:13,130 but the main area of controversy 253 00:15:13,180 --> 00:15:15,130 seems to be around whether the presenter 254 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:17,690 of the its most high profile current affairs programme 255 00:15:17,740 --> 00:15:21,210 has any business appearing in what's often described as a famously naff, 256 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:24,450 if popular light entertainment show, and if so... 257 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:27,450 If a live interview is an unexpected challenge for Ian, 258 00:15:27,500 --> 00:15:29,210 for newly-promoted Will Humphries 259 00:15:29,260 --> 00:15:32,290 it's a chance to become personal assistant to someone on television. 260 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:37,170 With me now is Ian Fletcher, the BBC's so-called Head of Values, 261 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:39,690 whose job it is, one imagines anyway, 262 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:43,650 to keep a watching brief on standards right across this vast, 263 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:47,410 ~ sprawling and some might say deeply troubled organisation. ~ Yes, hello. 264 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:50,210 Ian Fletcher, this is a bit of an own goal for you, isn't it? 265 00:15:50,260 --> 00:15:52,930 ~ Well, no... ~ Another example of both you and the BBC 266 00:15:52,980 --> 00:15:54,650 being, frankly, a bit useless. 267 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:56,450 That's not something I can accept, Ben, 268 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:58,730 and it's not a picture of the BBC I recognise. 269 00:15:58,780 --> 00:16:00,290 With the greatest respect though, 270 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:03,810 why on earth should we trust someone like you on this, or indeed on anything at all? 271 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:06,210 No, at the heart of this is something very important, 272 00:16:06,260 --> 00:16:08,730 it's a fact that no-one over the age of 40 273 00:16:08,780 --> 00:16:10,730 or above the weight of 17-and-a-half stone 274 00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:12,530 has ever won Strictly Come Dancing. 275 00:16:12,580 --> 00:16:14,530 And at a time when body stereotyping 276 00:16:14,580 --> 00:16:16,570 is such a big issue for so many people, 277 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:18,650 we think that's something worth reporting on. 278 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:22,210 ~ We're not going to apologise for that. ~ Well, Ian Fletcher, thank you. 279 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:25,850 Well Sophie, there you have it, there we have the official view, 280 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:29,010 the view, if you like, from within the highly secretive, 281 00:16:29,060 --> 00:16:32,690 some might say frankly incomprehensible building behind me. 282 00:16:32,740 --> 00:16:35,290 Whether anyone will believe a single word of it 283 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:37,130 is a different matter, of course. 284 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:41,650 Something the coming days and weeks will no doubt tell us. Sophie. 285 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:43,210 Ben, thank you. 286 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:46,650 And you can see more on that story in a special report 287 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:50,770 on Newsnight with Evan Davis at 10:30 on BBC Two tonight. 288 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:53,490 ~ Thanks, Ian, that was great. ~ Yes, thanks. 289 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:04,850 Hey. 290 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:06,040 Hi. 291 00:17:09,540 --> 00:17:10,610 How's it going? 292 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:13,210 ~ Good, yes, great. ~ Good. ~ How's it going with you? 293 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:15,330 ~ Oh, you know. Pretty busy, really. ~ Yes. 294 00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:18,250 ~ You know we're doing this BBC Better launch at Pinewood? ~ Yes, I know. 295 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:22,170 ~ Looks like I'm basically going to end up writing Anna's speech for her, so... ~ Right, yes. 296 00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:25,410 ~ .. kind of interesting thing to do. ~ 'Ground floor.' ~ Yes, mm. 297 00:17:25,460 --> 00:17:27,450 'Doors opening.' 298 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:30,010 ~ No, cos it did occur to me... ~ What did? 299 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:32,970 So, Anna wants Lucy Freeman to do like this Head of Inclusivity thing. 300 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:35,530 ~ Head of Inclusivity? ~ Yeah. ~ I didn't even know there was... 301 00:17:35,580 --> 00:17:39,730 ~ There is now, or going to be, keep up. She's desperate to announce it at the Better launch. ~ Right. So? 302 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:44,170 It occurred to me, if Lucy does it, there will probably be a development role in entertainment to fill. 303 00:17:44,220 --> 00:17:45,970 OK, I don't need your bloody help Jack, OK? 304 00:17:46,020 --> 00:17:50,330 ~ Right OK, Christ. ~ Thank you. ~ Cool, whatever. ~ I'm quite capable of running my own life, thank you. 305 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:53,250 ~ I won't mention anything to Anna or anyone. ~ Please don't. ~ I won't. 306 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:56,060 ~ Yes. ~ No, any time. ~ Thank you. ~ Great. 307 00:18:20,780 --> 00:18:22,610 ~ Hi, Lucy. ~ Hi. Are you busy? 308 00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:23,850 No, come on in. 309 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:26,930 Actually, I'm just on may way out I think, however you want take that. 310 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:28,890 Have you got time for a quick drink? 311 00:18:28,940 --> 00:18:31,340 ~ A drink? ~ It doesn't matter if not. 312 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:35,850 It's like it's all so, I went in there to say I was leaving. 313 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:37,690 ~ I actually couldn't believe it. ~ No. 314 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:39,970 ~ Like she thought I was just going to decide. ~ Well... 315 00:18:40,020 --> 00:18:41,930 .. like she wanted me to say yes there and then. 316 00:18:41,980 --> 00:18:46,450 ~ Next thing you know she'll ask for 200 words on inclusivity for her speech at this... ~ She did, yes. 317 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:49,010 ~ Right, did she really? ~ Yes, whether I wanted it or not. 318 00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:50,810 Right, well, I mean, Anna's not stupid. 319 00:18:50,860 --> 00:18:51,970 Isn't she? I can't tell. 320 00:18:52,020 --> 00:18:56,130 One thing about people like Anna is they're brilliant at surrounding themselves with good people 321 00:18:56,180 --> 00:18:57,890 and I suspect she knows you're good, 322 00:18:57,940 --> 00:19:00,250 so it's a question of what you want to do about that. 323 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:04,170 ~ The truth is, the ridiculous thing, I don't really know what inclusivity actually is. ~ No. 324 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:07,320 Well, this would be a hell of a way of finding out. 325 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:14,090 Another day at New Broadcasting House 326 00:19:14,140 --> 00:19:16,010 and after all the controversy, 327 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:19,250 Newsnight anchor Evan Davis is discovering that the transition 328 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:21,570 from Current Affairs to Light Entertainment 329 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:24,490 might not be quite as seamless as he thought. 330 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:29,770 OK, this is kind of where we are at the moment. 331 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:32,090 I mean, it's not bad but I mean frankly, I mean, 332 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:35,450 you will know more about how you want to see this than I do, but, 333 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:37,810 ~ is it just me or is it just a bit... ~ Yes. 334 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:41,290 .. a bit tired, a bit top-down, all a bit, I don't know, a bit... 335 00:19:41,340 --> 00:19:43,690 ~ Yes. ~ Sure. ~ .. a bit last year, you know? 336 00:19:43,740 --> 00:19:45,450 ~ No, sure. ~ Yes, exactly, yes. 337 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:46,890 Meanwhile, inside, 338 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:49,730 Director of Strategic Governance, Simon Harwood, 339 00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:51,250 has convened an open meeting 340 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:53,650 to introduce the idea of a new and better 341 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:55,490 BBC senior management structure 342 00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:58,010 to an audience of those who don't already know about it. 343 00:19:58,060 --> 00:20:00,930 Listen, you guys will know how you want to see this but the thinking is 344 00:20:00,980 --> 00:20:03,450 ~ if this isn't who we are, then who are we? ~ What? 345 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:06,410 ~ Don't know, God knows. Give up. ~ Yes, no, brilliant. Brilliant, Neil. 346 00:20:06,460 --> 00:20:07,970 With so much change afoot, 347 00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:10,370 Simon has been working hard behind the scenes 348 00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:12,690 to ensure that the outcome is as strategic 349 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:15,130 as it possibly can be for everyone around him. 350 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:17,730 Cos it did occur to me, not being stupid or anything 351 00:20:17,780 --> 00:20:19,370 but I am going to ask this, 352 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:21,650 what's happening with the Head of Output now? 353 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:24,090 ~ Yes, no brilliant. ~ If Anna's Director of Better? 354 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:27,570 ~ Brilliant. It's exciting, isn't it? ~ Is it? Yes, no, good question, Tracey. ~ Yes. 355 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:31,300 No, listen, I guess we'll have to wait and see how that all pans out. 356 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:34,370 Right. 357 00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:36,770 ~ Hey, don't look at me. ~ Oh, right. OK. 358 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:38,250 ~ Brilliant. ~ All hail. 359 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:40,050 ~ Shut up. ~ Fine. 360 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,130 Sorry, am I too late, guys? 361 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:43,210 ~ No. ~ Lovely. 362 00:20:43,260 --> 00:20:45,450 No, if you're sure you can be bothered with this. 363 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:48,330 Oh, no, I just thought while I'm tackling my crayfish and quinoa... 364 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:49,850 ~ Fuck's sake. ~ Brilliant. 365 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:53,890 All righty. So that's the bad old days. 366 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:56,460 So, everyone, get an eyeful of this. 367 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,220 ~ Yes? ~ Yes? ~ Yep. 368 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:08,610 ~ Right. ~ Oh, right. ~ Great. 369 00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:10,370 ~ Anyone spot the difference? ~ No, sure. 370 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:11,970 Yeah, this one doesn't make sense. 371 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:14,370 As well as being conceived horizontally rather than 372 00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:17,170 vertically, the new senior-management structure puts 373 00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:20,330 the new director of Better very much at the centre of things, 374 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:22,050 freeing up other posts around it 375 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:24,370 to play radically more independent roles. 376 00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:27,170 .. of course, this whole sort of top-down thing, gone. 377 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:29,370 ~ Yes. ~ At a stroke. ~ No, sure. ~ Hurrah. 378 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:31,850 And if there's one thing we know about Tony, it's just how 379 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,490 much of a lateral kind of a guy he is. 380 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:35,170 ~ Yes. ~ Yeah, no, sure. ~ Yes. 381 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:38,530 Although, at the risk of upsetting anyone's sense of balance, Simon, 382 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:41,610 if you turn this on its side, it's almost exactly the same as it 383 00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:42,850 was when it was top-down. 384 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:46,050 ~ Really? ~ I've got to say I thought that too. ~ Really? ~ Yeah. ~ Genius. 385 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,490 I mean, I know how hard you've worked on this, Simon... 386 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:51,210 ~ Oh, now, pish. ~ .. together with Ben and Jerry... ~ Tish. ~ Tosh. 387 00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:53,810 ~ .. and I know for a fact how grateful Tony is too. ~ Right. 388 00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:55,930 But when we finally sat down to go through it all, 389 00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:58,530 we did end up wondering whether there might not be 390 00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:00,970 a way of reimagining this whole thing altogether. 391 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:03,570 ~ Brilliant. ~ Yes, cos I'm not being funny or anything, Ian, 392 00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:05,650 but I've got to say, speaking personally, 393 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:07,010 I am struggling with this. 394 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:09,930 I mean, I don't know if you want to look at this now, Simon, or if... 395 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:11,930 ~ Oh, yes, no, of course, brilliant, yes. ~ No. 396 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:14,010 Cos, for my sins, I said I'd have a go at it 397 00:22:14,060 --> 00:22:16,570 and this is just one that he did seem to be quite keen on. 398 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:17,690 Do you want...? 399 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:20,650 No, it's fine, actually Will's just done his SyncopatiPoint module, 400 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:22,170 and he set this thing up for me. 401 00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:24,850 You can unplug all your leads. 402 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,690 So... 403 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:28,450 ~ OK. ~ Blimey. 404 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:30,770 Oh, right, no, hang on that's... 405 00:22:31,660 --> 00:22:34,050 ~ Right, OK. ~ Oh, my God. ~ OK, no. 406 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:36,650 So we ended up calling this one the Creative Network Model 407 00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:38,490 but you could call it whatever you like. 408 00:22:38,540 --> 00:22:40,970 So, what? This would be more of a circle, Ian, would it? 409 00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:43,690 Well, for what it's worth, what Tony liked about this is 410 00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:47,770 the idea of everyone feeding in equally around a common purpose. 411 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:50,330 ~ No, I'm sorry. ~ Guys, I've got to say, I prefer this. 412 00:22:50,380 --> 00:22:52,530 Ideas fizzing in all directions, into the centre, 413 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:54,770 ~ out again, around a sort of creative hub. ~ Brilliant. 414 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:57,450 It reminds me of Television Centre before we knocked it down or 415 00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:58,570 whatever we've done now. 416 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,010 Yes, I mean, it's interesting, isn't it? His thing was - 417 00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:02,730 and I hadn't really thought about this - 418 00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:06,490 but, in a way, it does feel more like a BBC sort of thing somehow 419 00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:09,810 and, maybe, it just might be more liberating for all of us. 420 00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:12,570 ~ No, brilliant, Ian. ~ Genius. ~ Yeah, no, sure. 421 00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:14,760 Yeah, it's bloody brilliant. 422 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,050 Meanwhile, it's a number of weeks later 423 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,250 and the concept of BBC Better is finally launching itself 424 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:32,890 at the majorly iconic venue of Britain's Pinewood Studios, 425 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:34,170 home of Pinewood Studios. 426 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:36,250 No, back. No, go back. 427 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,450 This is a big night for the BBC 428 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:41,410 and in the famous John Barry screening room, every last detail 429 00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:43,930 has got to be checked with nothing left to chance. 430 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:46,450 So we've got Janet Street-Porter next to Justin Welby. 431 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,130 ~ Sure. ~ Is that right? ~ No, sure. 432 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:51,300 ~ No, back, further back. ~ Janet loves the Kaiser Chiefs. 433 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,250 ~ Justin Welby's the Archbishop of Canterbury. ~ Sure. 434 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:56,490 Yes, so is that right? 435 00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,770 No, sure, so you've got all the big enchiladas 436 00:23:58,820 --> 00:24:01,090 ~ right here in the front row. ~ Right, OK, fine. 437 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:03,250 ~ Jack. ~ Yep. ~ This is wrong, I don't recognise this. 438 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,410 ~ What? ~ No, sure. ~ This is not what I wrote. 439 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:08,570 ~ No. ~ Is it? ~ No. No, it's not. 440 00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:10,290 OK, so we should maybe talk about this. 441 00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:12,170 This is... Where's all this crap come from? 442 00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:14,130 ~ No, sure, we just... tweaked it a bit. ~ OK, no. 443 00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:16,770 ~ You tweaked it? ~ I don't want this. ~ Like, punched it up a little. 444 00:24:16,820 --> 00:24:18,690 ~ The... OK, I'm sorry, no. ~ You punched it up? 445 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:19,850 ~ Sure. ~ I don't want it. 446 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,650 ~ Hang on, what else have you done to it? ~ Excuse me? ~ I don't want this. 447 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:24,810 ~ How many other changes are there? ~ No, sure, OK. ~ No. 448 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:26,850 ~ Like, we just went through it, that's all. ~ No. 449 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:28,410 ~ I've been... ~ I don't want this. 450 00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:30,690 We've been working on this speech for, like, weeks. 451 00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:32,890 ~ OK, and now you've finally got something, OK? ~ What? 452 00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:34,690 You are so going to kill here, girl. 453 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:36,610 Not... No, I don't want this. I don't want it. 454 00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:38,330 I don't want it. 455 00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:49,010 Meanwhile, outside the screening room, the great and the good are 456 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:50,330 gathering in force, 457 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:53,570 ready and waiting to have their opinions formed. 458 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:56,490 For Lucy Freeman, this is a chance to try to get used to 459 00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:59,850 the idea of being the BBC's new head of Inclusivity, 460 00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:03,490 whilst for Tracey Pritchard, it's a chance to meet TV's 461 00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:06,850 go-to classical talking woman, Professor Mary Beard, in the flesh. 462 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,050 I'm not a classical scholar or anything, obviously, although I have 463 00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:13,410 actually been to Greece a number of times but, speaking personally 464 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:17,970 as a woman, I've got to say this, I am a big admirer of your work. 465 00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:20,490 Because before you, I mean, let's be honest about this, 466 00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:22,650 it was all either men or Simon Schama. 467 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:23,970 ~ Brilliant. ~ Right, well... 468 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:25,970 Cos the way I see it, not being funny or anything 469 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:28,730 but, the truth is, we can't all be Lucy Worsley, can we? 470 00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:31,410 ~ Yes, would you...? ~ Lovely Lucy. ~ Can I get you another...? 471 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,570 ~ Izzy. ~ Very sorry to interrupt. ~ No, that's fine. 472 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:36,330 It's just, er, well, Anna has locked herself in the toilet. 473 00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:38,130 ~ Oh, no. ~ All right, OK. 474 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:39,690 ~ In the toilet? ~ Oh. 475 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:41,370 ~ Yes, and she won't come out. ~ Right, OK. 476 00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:44,370 ~ Oh, bloody great. ~ I think, to begin with, she went in there for a moment. 477 00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:46,090 ~ Right. ~ Just to have a bit of a think. ~ Yes. 478 00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:48,410 But now's she dropped her contact lens down the sink 479 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:50,890 ~ and she's refusing to come out. ~ Oh, right. ~ Oh, my God. 480 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:53,370 What the hell I'm supposed to do about this, God knows. 481 00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:56,330 ~ I had to tell someone. ~ Great. ~ You're really good at this stuff, Ian. 482 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:59,370 ~ Yes. ~ Yes, you are, Ian, yes. ~ What? Talking Anna Rampton out of toilets? 483 00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:01,960 Anyway, I didn't know what else to do. 484 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,290 Plus we can make the Autocue, like, really big. 485 00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:08,570 In the context of the launch of BBC Better 486 00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:10,450 and with the audience ready to go in, 487 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,250 it's clearly not such a great thing 488 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,330 that the new director of Better has locked herself in the toilet. 489 00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:17,290 Anna? 490 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:20,730 Yes, hello, Anna? We're all here now, 491 00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:23,120 Ian's here, it's lovely out here. 492 00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:33,850 Look, just say something, you stupid bitch. 493 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:36,290 OK, could everyone shut up a minute? This isn't helping. 494 00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:37,450 (I know what's happened.) 495 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,690 (She has her glasses, she has them wherever she goes) 496 00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:42,250 ~ (but she won't wear them, you know...) ~ (Right.) ~ (No.) ~ (OK.) 497 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,490 (Especially not at this.) 498 00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:45,970 ~ (No, she won't.) ~ (No.) ~ No, sure, I totally get that. 499 00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:47,610 ~ I know, nightmare. ~ I'm like, "Duh." 500 00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:49,850 ~ You've tried everything else? ~ Trust me, I know her, 501 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,490 she is never coming out of there now. 502 00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:54,280 ~ Right, OK, well... ~ Good luck. ~ Yes, thanks. 503 00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:56,770 Anna, it's Ian. 504 00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:58,650 Just to say, if you need anything, 505 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,570 if there's anything I can help you with... 506 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:03,410 Cos I'm not sure quite what I mean by this 507 00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:05,860 but I'm sure it's all basically OK. 508 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:18,940 Right. OK. 509 00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:27,220 Hi. 510 00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:32,130 How are you? 511 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:35,450 The fact is, I can't do this. 512 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,440 Well, I'm sure you can. 513 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:39,770 No-one knows about this in there, by the way. 514 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:42,450 They're all fine with their wine and olive thingies, you know, 515 00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:43,530 is it tapenade? 516 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:46,530 Anyway, they're perfectly happy braying at each other about 517 00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:48,210 God knows what, so it's all... 518 00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:50,330 We've got time, you can just... You know, 519 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:54,690 if you want to talk or just catch your breath, it's fine. 520 00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:57,610 Cos I think they're basically across the Autocue thing now so... 521 00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:59,930 As far as I can gather, anyway. 522 00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:04,650 I mean, the other thing to say - and I probably shouldn't say this, 523 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:06,450 so don't take it the wrong way - 524 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,850 I mean, here we are, we all get very... But in the end, 525 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,930 in the big scheme of things, none of this really matters that much. 526 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:13,130 I mean, not really, does it? 527 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:15,850 I don't mean... I just... I sometimes find that helps. 528 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,900 Helps me, anyway, when... 529 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,060 Yes, so... 530 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:27,730 The other thing - and for God's sake, don't take this the wrong way 531 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:30,090 either - is as far as the whole glasses thing goes, 532 00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:32,250 I have to say, I mean, they certainly do it for me. 533 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,440 But, as I say, that's not... 534 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:36,620 Ah, right. 535 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:41,210 Sorry, lip gloss, otherwise I'd do it properly. 536 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:43,060 ~ Right. ~ Yes. ~ Right. 537 00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:46,900 Right, good, OK. 50109

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