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♪ ANIMAL MAGIC THEME TUNE ♪
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Stand by two.
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Make through, cue on two.
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The BBC has announced the
appointment of ex-head
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of Olympic Deliverance, Ian Fletcher,
as its new Head of Values.
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Time now for the shipping forecast.
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Superimpose...
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A new week at the BBC's central
nervous centre in Central London,
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but already it hasn't started well
for Head of Values, Ian Fletcher.
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With just a mile left to cover
on his journey to work, he's had
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a puncture in the Marylebone Road.
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But the advantage of a bike that
you can simply fold up and carry
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is that you can simply
fold it up and carry it
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for the rest of the way.
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~ Will.
~ Oh, yeah, hi, yeah, hi. How are you?
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~ I'm in a bit of a hurry, I'm a bit late.
~ OK.
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~ I was wondering, if you
have got any time today...
~ Yeah, sure.
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~ .. between other things...
~ Yeah.
~ I had a puncture on my way in...
~ OK, cool.
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~ .. and I wondered...
~ Yeah, no worries, I'll take it to
this cool bike shop I used to work in.
~ Right.
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I know exactly where it is.
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Yes, so if... You used
to work in a bike shop?
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~ Yeah, for, like, three days.
~ Right. Well...
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Yeah, cos, like, if I get it mended,
does that mean I could ride it back?
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~ Yes, I mean... ~ Cool.
~ Obviously that's up to you.
~ Yeah, up to me, cool.
~ That'd be great, Will, thanks.
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You can take my helmet
if you want to.
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OK, cool, yeah, no worries. Yeah, cos,
like, you don't want to get killed.
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~ No.
~ Cool.
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~ So the other exciting news
to get out there this morning...
~ Yay.
~ Shut up.
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~ .. and I've talked to Siobhan about this...
~ Oh, right?
~ You so have.
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.. and for what it's worth I know
Tony's pretty spunky about this...
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~ Spunky?
~ He's totally amped.
~ What?
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~ Hi.
~ Oh, thank God!
~ Sorry.
~ No, Captain Values, come on in.
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~ A few transport issues this morning.
~ Gah, no, bad luck.
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With the creation of the new
Directorship of Betterness
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at an extremely senior level,
the question now is how best to
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announce that idea to a so
far unsuspecting public.
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OK, so here's the thing with this. Here's
what it is - BBC Better is such a cool idea.
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~ It's like a game changer,
OK? That's a no-brainer.
~ Brilliant.
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But you want buy-in to the
idea of, like, major shit.
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~ I mean, you've got to pre-sell
the movie rights first.
~ What?
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But luckily for the BBC, pre-selling
the movie rights to major shit
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is one of PR company Perfect
Curve's key areas of strength.
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This would be some kind
of event, would it?
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~ Some kind of event?
~ Yes.
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Yes, cos what we have done in the
past, which works quite well,
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we have used the Radio Theatre
for things like this.
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~ Excuse me?
~ It's convenient, obviously.
~ The Radio Theatre?
~ Yes.
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We're talking, like, majorly
iconic venues here.
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It's becoming clear that Siobhan
has ambitious plans for launching
the idea of BBC Better.
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I mean, just to introduce a note
of caution for a moment, Siobhan.
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~ Yes, exactly, Ian.
~ but it is a BBC sponsored event
we're talking about here.
~ Sure.
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~ We're a publicly funded
organisation. It's not The Brit Awards.
~ No.
~ So what's your point?
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~ Well, we may need to be a bit
careful about tone, that's all.
~ Yes, exactly.
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~ We don't want to get ahead of ourselves.
~ Like, where else do you want to be?
~ Well...
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You want to be BEHIND yourself?
Like, you cannot have said that.
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Can I just say, speaking
personally on this, guys,
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~ I still think the Radio
Theatre has a lot of...
~ Two words
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you never want to hear anywhere near
event management - radio and theatre.
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~ I'm guessing you haven't actually
been in there, Siobhan, cos...
~ OK.
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.. you can actually adjust
the lighting in there.
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Here are some words you DO want to hear in
event management in like the 20th century...
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~ 21st century.
~ OK, sure, whatever.
~ Just a detail.
~ Like, NOW, OK?
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~ Well, exactly, yes, right.
~ OK, so like, "groovy" and, like, "function".
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~ Brilliant.
~ Like "champagne" and, like, "reception".
~ Yes, very good.
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"Cool" and, like, "brainy-dudes".
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Like, "major" and "auditorium",
like, "Laura" and "Mvula".
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~ "Twitter" and, like, "total meltdown" OK?
~ Brilliant.
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Now, that's an event. OK?
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~ Right.
~ No, yes, no.
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It's too joyous.
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And then Anna Rampton walks
out on that stage on her own
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~ and she totally seriously kills.
~ Brilliant.
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~ Bollocks.
~ Go, Anna.
~ Yes, no, the fact is, I... yes.
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~ Hi, Will.
~ Oh, yeah, hey, Izzy, yeah, cool.
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~ You look like you're off somewhere.
~ Yeah, yeah.
~ With Ian Fletcher's bike.
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~ Yeah, I know, yeah, pretty cool.
I'm taking it to get it mended?
~ OK.
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~ Yeah, it's got, like, a puncture.
~ Right, well, have fun.
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~ Yeah, no worries, yeah, this is his helmet.
~ Yes, right.
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Yeah, so I'll probably ride it back.
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OK, well, thanks for bringing
me up to speed with all that.
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Yeah, no, no worries, yeah, cool.
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~ Yes?
~ So, like, where's Jack?
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~ Oh, Jack's gone.
~ He's gone?
~ No, he's moved on.
~ So what, like, left?
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~ No, with Anna's new job, he's
got this new thing with her now.
~ With Anna.
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~ Off in Development, yes.
~ Yeah, development, yeah.
~ Yes.
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OK, cool.
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Elsewhere in the building,
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long-serving producer Lucy Freeman
has been thinking hard about her
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future at the BBC and has decided
to make herself a cup of coffee.
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~ Oh, David.
~ Hi, Lucy. How are you today?
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Yes, fine, yes. I didn't
see you there.
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No, I know. I'm just
getting my slow release.
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Yes, so I see.
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~ Can I just ask you, have you lost weight?
~ Me?
~ Yes.
~ No, I...
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~ Have you not?
~ No, I don't think so, no. Why?
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I don't know. Maybe it's just those jeans.
Honestly, you're so lucky, Lucy.
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What exactly do you want, David,
cos I'm finding this a bit...
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No, nothing, Lucy,
I don't want anything.
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~ Anyway, I'm not supposed
to tell anyone anyway, so...
~ Right.
~ No.
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~ Tell what?
~ So, I had a meeting with Anna
last night, she asked to see me.
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Apparently, when she first
mentioned One Big Family
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at the interview... Oh, my God,
that's such a genius title.
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When she talked about it, they
were like, we haven't even got
enough boxes for that to tick.
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~ Good, I'm very pleased for her.
~ I know, lovely Anna.
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Anyway, she's, like, "First of all
that show is going to be massive,
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~ "and you're going to exec produce it."
~ Hang on...
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~ Me, I mean.
~ Oh, right.
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It was like I was being
enunciated or something.
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~ Is that the right word?
~ No.
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~ Doesn't matter, it sounds right.
~ Yes.
~ And anyway, then she's like,
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~ "This is absolutely top secret.
You're not to tell anybody."
~ No.
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"There's going to be lots of changes.
There's going to be this new job,
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~ "like, Senior Executive,
Primetime Factuality."
~ Right.
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"They're going to have to interview for it,
but basically they'd like it to be you."
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~ You mean you.
~ Me, yes.
~ Right. Well, that's great, David,
I mean, that's really great.
~ I know.
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~ I'm not sure what else to say.
~ Couldn't believe it.
~ No, it is astonishing.
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~ I went straight over into All
Bar One afterwards and had three
Flaming Volcanoes straight off.
~ Really.
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~ I didn't know what else to do.
~ No.
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~ That's not centred.
~ No, I'm just doing it.
~ Yes.
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~ You didn't like the idea of Steve Coogan.
~ No.
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~ I just thought that might be, like...
~ No, I don't want him.
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Meanwhile, Anna is acclimatising
quickly to her even more
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elevated role as the BBC's
first ever Director of Better.
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~ And with Lord Reith?
~ Yes.
~ Cos apparently he was like the first ever...
~ Yes, no, I saw the pictures.
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~ He's too frightening.
~ Right, sure, yes.
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But with great power comes great
responsibility, and her first task
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has been to launch a thorough review
of the back wall of her office.
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~ OK, that's...
~ Good.
~ Oh, yeah, great news
about the Better launch.
~ Yes.
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~ Like, I've never been to Pinewood, but
it sounds like Siobhan's pulling out all...
~ Exactly, yes.
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~ So I bumped into Alice in the coffee queue.
~ Alice?
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~ Alice, Tony Hall's...
~ Yes, Alice, yes, her.
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~ So with the BBC Better Launch...
~ Yes.
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~ .. she was talking about releasing bits
of your speech to the press beforehand.
~ Before it.
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~ Apparently that's, like, standard.
~ Mm.
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Also she thought Tony would want to have
a look at a draft before you finalise it.
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~ Yes, so I... ~ Yes.
~ I said we'd send something over.
~ Yes. ~ Yes.
~ Yes.
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~ It was fine first thing. Obviously, anything
to with Syncopatico's always a bit...
~ Yeah.
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~ But at some point I seem to have got
all your events in my SyncopaticCal.
~ Yeah, no, crap.
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Meanwhile, in his new official capacity
as Assistant to the Head of
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Values, Will is already making a big
difference to Ian's working life.
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~ In the meantime I don't know
where my events have gone.
~ Yeah.
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~ They've disappeared.
~ Yeah, no, they're all here.
~ What?
~ Yeah, no, it does that.
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Keen to learn, he's passed the first
half of the crucial SyncopatiShare
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module of his BBC Syncopatico induction
course with flying colours.
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But until he's done the second
half, he's unable to stop his new
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SyncopatiPad shaking hands
automatically with other devices
that may stray into its sights.
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~ I know it's not your fault, Will.
~ Yeah.
~ Although now I think about it I'm not sure.
~ Yeah, I know, crap.
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~ But this is just...
~ Yeah, no, cool, like, why
don't you just have mine?
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~ What?
~ I'll have yours till,
like, something happens.
~ Right, but...
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~ I've only just thought of that.
~ Yes, I can tell.
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But even though he's still new
to some of the responsibilities
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of a personal assistant, Will is
not afraid of having big ideas.
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~ No, I don't think... What if
this starts shaking hands with
other tablets all over the place?
~ Yeah.
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~ Oh, hang on, what the hell's this?
~ What?
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~ You've got some of Simon Harwood's stuff.
~ Yeah.
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I'm sorry, Will, this, I can't...
I mean this is really....
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Cos, like, I had to go into Simon
Harwood's office earlier.
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~ I was looking for Izzy and, like,
it shook hands with him too.
~ Yes.
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~ And then it stopped again when I went.
~ Mm.
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Yeah, I don't know, yeah, mental.
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No.
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Like, it's actually really annoying?
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So does this...? I mean, could I...? If I wanted
to, would I be able to print this out?
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~ Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
~ So I just...
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~ Yeah, no, we did SyncopatiPrint last week.
~ You sure about this, Will?
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Like, you can print to any printer anywhere
in the building no matter where you are.
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~ Cos I wouldn't necessarily
want anyone else to...
~ Yeah, no, cool.
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~ OK, done. Cool.
~ Great.
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Yeah, no worries.
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~ So where's it printing?
~ Yeah, no, cos... Say again?
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~ Which printer's it printing at?
~ Yeah, no, it doesn't tell you that.
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~ It doesn't tell you?
~ Like, it could be any printer
anywhere in the building.
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~ Right.
~ Yeah, no, it's pretty cool.
~ Yes.
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~ Sorry, Anna.
~ Jack.
~ Lucy's here if you're ready.
~ Yes, no, she can come in.
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~ Here she is.
~ Right, yes. Hi, Anna.
~ Yes, you can sit down.
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Meanwhile, Lucy Freeman
has made a big decision
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and has come to have a
conversation with new Director
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of Better, Anna Rampton, no matter
how difficult that's going to be.
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So, you're probably wondering
why I wanted to see you.
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Yes, I mean, well, it was me
that asked to see you, actually.
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~ OK, well...
~ Oh, congratulations, by the way.
~ Yes.
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~ Very exciting.
~ Yes, exactly.
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Yes, no, I thought I'd better
come and see you, really, now,
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before things, cos I know you were
keen for me help David with...
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Anna has asked her to work alongside
David Wilkes on One Big Family,
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but Lucy has decided that it might be a better
idea for her to leave the BBC instead.
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I've been doing some thinking,
quite a lot of thinking, actually,
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~ and what I've... It's
a big thing, but I've...
~ OK, no.
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~ Sorry, Anna, I haven't...
~ No, that's not what I
want to talk to you about.
~ No.
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~ I wanted to talk to YOU.
~ But the fact remains it's
not what I want to talk about.
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~ The fact is, I wanted to ask you something.
~ Yes, but...
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I don't know how much you know
about the idea behind BBC Better.
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Right, well... I mean, I'm aware of
it, obviously. I've heard about it,
but beyond that I'm not really...
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No. One of the things
I'm passionate about is
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the idea of inclusivity as a corps
value right across the BBC.
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~ Right.
~ Yes. You may know that already.
~ No, I didn't.
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~ As you say, it's very exciting.
~ Well, I mean that's...
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~ I'm committed to the idea of creating
a new Head of Inclusivity.
~ Right, are you?
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And I wanted to ask you how you'd
feel about applying for that post.
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~ Me?
~ Yes exactly, yes.
~ Right.
~ Yes.
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Take your time.
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Meanwhile Ian is one of many
people in New Broadcasting House
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who have been brought closer together
by the BBC's cutting edge
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new SyncopatiPrint technology.
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Neil, hi.
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Right...
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When?
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~ We're talking live here.
~ Yes, no, I know.
~ Yeah, live, yeah.
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No, brilliant, Neil, let's
do the show right here.
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Media reaction to the
announcement of Newsnight anchor
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Evan Davis's forthcoming role
in Strictly Come Dancing
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has been both extensive
and universally negative.
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And with the BBC's unparalleled
reputation for impartiality
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to maintain, it's crucial
that coverage of the story
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on its own news channels is more
negative than anyone else's.
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~ Do we really have to do this?
~ Yeah, we do, yeah.
~ I know.
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Welcome to my world.
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With that in mind, Ian
has been put forward to be
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interviewed about the issue live on
tonight's six o'clock news bulletin.
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~ I'll do this if absolutely no-one else will.
~ Brilliant.
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But really I have to say,
I'm not really sure why me.
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You guys know how you
want to play this,
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but people like the idea
of the BBC having values.
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~ Yeah, bollocks, Simon.
~ Brilliant. Also, like Tony
says, if you sign Ronaldo,
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~ you don't leave him on the
bench, you get him on the pitch.
~ Right.
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~ Yeah, plus no-one else will do it.
~ No.
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Yes, no, brilliant, guys.
Brilliant, brilliant.
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With the decision made, for Ian,
by far the most significant aspect
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of being on the six o'clock news is
that it's now nine minutes to six.
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~ Oh, Ian, yes, hi.
~ Anna, hi.
~ I wanted to talk to you.
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~ I'm actually just on way down...
~ I'm going to say something about
Values at the Better Launch.
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~ OK, great. As I say, I'm just...
~ The fact is it's important.
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~ Yes, no, fine by me, Anna,
we should talk about it.
~ Yes, exactly.
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~ This is live, so...
~ I need to know what you had in mind.
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~ What? Yes. What I had in mind?
~ Yes. You're Head of Values.
~ Anna, I can't really...
~ OK, fine.
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~ If you want to e-mail something to
Jack by tomorrow I'll see what I can do.
~ Right.
~ Yes.
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~ Anna, I've really got to go.
~ Yes, OK, good.
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By six o'clock, it's time
for the six o'clock news.
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The BBC is facing mounting
criticism tonight
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after it announced that Evan Davis,
the presenter of Newsnight,
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is to appear as a contestant
in the next series
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of the BBC One entertainment
show, Strictly Come Dancing.
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~ Ian, hi. ~ Hi.
~ Ben. ~ Yes, hello, yes.
~ Thanks very much for doing this.
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~ No, it's my pleasure.
~ Are you warm enough?
~ Yes, no...
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~ We've got another coat here...
~ No, I'm fine, thanks.
~ OK.
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~ 90 seconds tops, so it should
be pretty straightforward.
~ Yes, good.
~ Great.
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Our Media Correspondent
is Benedict Cartwright
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is outside New Broadcasting
House for us now.
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Ben, this is news that the BBC could
presumably do without right now?
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Sophie, it is, Sophie, yes.
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The issues for the BBC around this
are many and complex of course,
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but the main area of controversy
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seems to be around
whether the presenter
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of the its most high profile
current affairs programme
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has any business appearing in what's
often described as a famously naff,
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if popular light entertainment
show, and if so...
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If a live interview is an
unexpected challenge for Ian,
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for newly-promoted Will Humphries
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it's a chance to become personal
assistant to someone on television.
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With me now is Ian Fletcher, the
BBC's so-called Head of Values,
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whose job it is, one imagines anyway,
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to keep a watching brief on
standards right across this vast,
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~ sprawling and some might say
deeply troubled organisation.
~ Yes, hello.
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Ian Fletcher, this is a bit of
an own goal for you, isn't it?
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~ Well, no...
~ Another example of both you and the BBC
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being, frankly, a bit useless.
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That's not something
I can accept, Ben,
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and it's not a picture
of the BBC I recognise.
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With the greatest respect though,
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why on earth should we trust someone like
you on this, or indeed on anything at all?
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No, at the heart of this
is something very important,
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it's a fact that no-one
over the age of 40
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or above the weight
of 17-and-a-half stone
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has ever won Strictly Come Dancing.
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And at a time when body stereotyping
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is such a big issue
for so many people,
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we think that's something
worth reporting on.
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~ We're not going to apologise for that.
~ Well, Ian Fletcher, thank you.
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Well Sophie, there you have it,
there we have the official view,
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the view, if you like, from
within the highly secretive,
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some might say frankly
incomprehensible building behind me.
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Whether anyone will believe
a single word of it
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is a different matter, of course.
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Something the coming days and weeks
will no doubt tell us. Sophie.
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Ben, thank you.
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And you can see more on that
story in a special report
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on Newsnight with Evan Davis
at 10:30 on BBC Two tonight.
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~ Thanks, Ian, that was great.
~ Yes, thanks.
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Hey.
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Hi.
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How's it going?
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~ Good, yes, great.
~ Good.
~ How's it going with you?
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~ Oh, you know. Pretty busy, really.
~ Yes.
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~ You know we're doing this
BBC Better launch at Pinewood?
~ Yes, I know.
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~ Looks like I'm basically going to end
up writing Anna's speech for her, so...
~ Right, yes.
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~ .. kind of interesting thing to do.
~ 'Ground floor.'
~ Yes, mm.
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'Doors opening.'
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~ No, cos it did occur to me...
~ What did?
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So, Anna wants Lucy Freeman to do
like this Head of Inclusivity thing.
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~ Head of Inclusivity?
~ Yeah.
~ I didn't even know there was...
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~ There is now, or going to be,
keep up. She's desperate to announce
it at the Better launch.
~ Right. So?
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It occurred to me, if Lucy does it,
there will probably be a development
role in entertainment to fill.
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OK, I don't need your
bloody help Jack, OK?
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~ Right OK, Christ.
~ Thank you.
~ Cool, whatever.
~ I'm quite capable of running
my own life, thank you.
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~ I won't mention anything to Anna or anyone.
~ Please don't.
~ I won't.
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~ Yes.
~ No, any time.
~ Thank you.
~ Great.
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~ Hi, Lucy.
~ Hi. Are you busy?
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No, come on in.
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Actually, I'm just on may way out
I think, however you want take that.
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Have you got time for a quick drink?
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~ A drink?
~ It doesn't matter if not.
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It's like it's all so, I went
in there to say I was leaving.
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~ I actually couldn't believe it.
~ No.
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~ Like she thought I was just going to decide.
~ Well...
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.. like she wanted me to
say yes there and then.
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~ Next thing you know she'll ask for 200 words
on inclusivity for her speech at this...
~ She did, yes.
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~ Right, did she really?
~ Yes, whether I wanted it or not.
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Right, well, I mean,
Anna's not stupid.
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Isn't she? I can't tell.
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One thing about people like Anna
is they're brilliant at surrounding
themselves with good people
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and I suspect she knows you're good,
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so it's a question of what
you want to do about that.
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~ The truth is, the ridiculous thing, I don't
really know what inclusivity actually is.
~ No.
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Well, this would be a hell
of a way of finding out.
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Another day at New Broadcasting House
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and after all the controversy,
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Newsnight anchor Evan Davis is
discovering that the transition
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from Current Affairs
to Light Entertainment
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might not be quite as
seamless as he thought.
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OK, this is kind of where
we are at the moment.
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I mean, it's not bad but
I mean frankly, I mean,
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you will know more about how you
want to see this than I do, but,
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~ is it just me or is it just a bit...
~ Yes.
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.. a bit tired, a bit top-down,
all a bit, I don't know, a bit...
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~ Yes.
~ Sure.
~ .. a bit last year, you know?
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~ No, sure.
~ Yes, exactly, yes.
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Meanwhile, inside,
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Director of Strategic
Governance, Simon Harwood,
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has convened an open meeting
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to introduce the idea
of a new and better
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BBC senior management structure
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to an audience of those who
don't already know about it.
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Listen, you guys will know how you
want to see this but the thinking is
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~ if this isn't who we are, then who are we?
~ What?
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~ Don't know, God knows. Give up.
~ Yes, no, brilliant. Brilliant, Neil.
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With so much change afoot,
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Simon has been working
hard behind the scenes
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to ensure that the outcome
is as strategic
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as it possibly can be
for everyone around him.
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Cos it did occur to me, not
being stupid or anything
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but I am going to ask this,
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what's happening with
the Head of Output now?
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~ Yes, no brilliant.
~ If Anna's Director of Better?
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~ Brilliant. It's exciting, isn't it?
~ Is it? Yes, no, good question, Tracey.
~ Yes.
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No, listen, I guess we'll have to
wait and see how that all pans out.
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Right.
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~ Hey, don't look at me.
~ Oh, right. OK.
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~ Brilliant.
~ All hail.
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~ Shut up.
~ Fine.
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Sorry, am I too late, guys?
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~ No.
~ Lovely.
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No, if you're sure you
can be bothered with this.
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Oh, no, I just thought while I'm
tackling my crayfish and quinoa...
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~ Fuck's sake.
~ Brilliant.
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All righty. So that's
the bad old days.
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So, everyone, get an eyeful of this.
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~ Yes?
~ Yes?
~ Yep.
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~ Right.
~ Oh, right.
~ Great.
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~ Anyone spot the difference?
~ No, sure.
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Yeah, this one doesn't make sense.
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As well as being conceived
horizontally rather than
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vertically, the new
senior-management structure puts
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the new director of Better very
much at the centre of things,
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freeing up other posts around it
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to play radically more
independent roles.
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.. of course, this whole sort
of top-down thing, gone.
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~ Yes.
~ At a stroke.
~ No, sure.
~ Hurrah.
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And if there's one thing we
know about Tony, it's just how
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much of a lateral
kind of a guy he is.
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~ Yes.
~ Yeah, no, sure.
~ Yes.
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Although, at the risk of upsetting
anyone's sense of balance, Simon,
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if you turn this on its side, it's
almost exactly the same as it
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was when it was top-down.
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~ Really?
~ I've got to say I thought that too.
~ Really? ~ Yeah.
~ Genius.
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I mean, I know how hard you've
worked on this, Simon...
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~ Oh, now, pish.
~ .. together with Ben and Jerry...
~ Tish.
~ Tosh.
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~ .. and I know for a fact
how grateful Tony is too.
~ Right.
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But when we finally sat
down to go through it all,
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we did end up wondering
whether there might not be
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a way of reimagining this
whole thing altogether.
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~ Brilliant.
~ Yes, cos I'm not being
funny or anything, Ian,
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but I've got to say,
speaking personally,
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I am struggling with this.
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I mean, I don't know if you want
to look at this now, Simon, or if...
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~ Oh, yes, no, of course, brilliant, yes.
~ No.
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Cos, for my sins, I said
I'd have a go at it
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and this is just one that he
did seem to be quite keen on.
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Do you want...?
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No, it's fine, actually Will's just
done his SyncopatiPoint module,
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and he set this thing up for me.
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You can unplug all your leads.
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So...
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~ OK.
~ Blimey.
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Oh, right, no, hang on that's...
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~ Right, OK.
~ Oh, my God.
~ OK, no.
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So we ended up calling this
one the Creative Network Model
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but you could call
it whatever you like.
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So, what? This would be more
of a circle, Ian, would it?
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Well, for what it's worth,
what Tony liked about this is
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the idea of everyone feeding in
equally around a common purpose.
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~ No, I'm sorry.
~ Guys, I've got to say, I prefer this.
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Ideas fizzing in all
directions, into the centre,
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~ out again, around a sort of creative hub.
~ Brilliant.
414
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:57,450
It reminds me of Television Centre
before we knocked it down or
415
00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:58,570
whatever we've done now.
416
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,010
Yes, I mean, it's interesting,
isn't it? His thing was -
417
00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:02,730
and I hadn't really
thought about this -
418
00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:06,490
but, in a way, it does feel more
like a BBC sort of thing somehow
419
00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:09,810
and, maybe, it just might be
more liberating for all of us.
420
00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:12,570
~ No, brilliant, Ian.
~ Genius.
~ Yeah, no, sure.
421
00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:14,760
Yeah, it's bloody brilliant.
422
00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,050
Meanwhile, it's a number
of weeks later
423
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,250
and the concept of BBC Better
is finally launching itself
424
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:32,890
at the majorly iconic venue
of Britain's Pinewood Studios,
425
00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:34,170
home of Pinewood Studios.
426
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:36,250
No, back. No, go back.
427
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,450
This is a big night for the BBC
428
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:41,410
and in the famous John Barry
screening room, every last detail
429
00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:43,930
has got to be checked with
nothing left to chance.
430
00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:46,450
So we've got Janet Street-Porter
next to Justin Welby.
431
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,130
~ Sure.
~ Is that right?
~ No, sure.
432
00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:51,300
~ No, back, further back.
~ Janet loves the Kaiser Chiefs.
433
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,250
~ Justin Welby's the Archbishop of Canterbury.
~ Sure.
434
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:56,490
Yes, so is that right?
435
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,770
No, sure, so you've got
all the big enchiladas
436
00:23:58,820 --> 00:24:01,090
~ right here in the front row.
~ Right, OK, fine.
437
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:03,250
~ Jack.
~ Yep.
~ This is wrong, I don't recognise this.
438
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,410
~ What?
~ No, sure.
~ This is not what I wrote.
439
00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:08,570
~ No.
~ Is it?
~ No. No, it's not.
440
00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:10,290
OK, so we should maybe
talk about this.
441
00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:12,170
This is... Where's all
this crap come from?
442
00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:14,130
~ No, sure, we just... tweaked it a bit.
~ OK, no.
443
00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:16,770
~ You tweaked it?
~ I don't want this.
~ Like, punched it up a little.
444
00:24:16,820 --> 00:24:18,690
~ The... OK, I'm sorry, no.
~ You punched it up?
445
00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:19,850
~ Sure.
~ I don't want it.
446
00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,650
~ Hang on, what else have you done to it?
~ Excuse me?
~ I don't want this.
447
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:24,810
~ How many other changes are there?
~ No, sure, OK.
~ No.
448
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:26,850
~ Like, we just went through it, that's all.
~ No.
449
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:28,410
~ I've been...
~ I don't want this.
450
00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:30,690
We've been working on this
speech for, like, weeks.
451
00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:32,890
~ OK, and now you've finally
got something, OK?
~ What?
452
00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:34,690
You are so going to kill here, girl.
453
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:36,610
Not... No, I don't want
this. I don't want it.
454
00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:38,330
I don't want it.
455
00:24:45,780 --> 00:24:49,010
Meanwhile, outside the screening
room, the great and the good are
456
00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:50,330
gathering in force,
457
00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:53,570
ready and waiting to have
their opinions formed.
458
00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:56,490
For Lucy Freeman, this is a
chance to try to get used to
459
00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:59,850
the idea of being the BBC's
new head of Inclusivity,
460
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:03,490
whilst for Tracey Pritchard,
it's a chance to meet TV's
461
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:06,850
go-to classical talking woman,
Professor Mary Beard, in the flesh.
462
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,050
I'm not a classical scholar or anything,
obviously, although I have
463
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:13,410
actually been to Greece a number
of times but, speaking personally
464
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:17,970
as a woman, I've got to say this,
I am a big admirer of your work.
465
00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:20,490
Because before you, I mean,
let's be honest about this,
466
00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:22,650
it was all either
men or Simon Schama.
467
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:23,970
~ Brilliant.
~ Right, well...
468
00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:25,970
Cos the way I see it, not
being funny or anything
469
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:28,730
but, the truth is, we can't
all be Lucy Worsley, can we?
470
00:25:28,780 --> 00:25:31,410
~ Yes, would you...?
~ Lovely Lucy.
~ Can I get you another...?
471
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:33,570
~ Izzy.
~ Very sorry to interrupt.
~ No, that's fine.
472
00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:36,330
It's just, er, well, Anna has
locked herself in the toilet.
473
00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:38,130
~ Oh, no.
~ All right, OK.
474
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:39,690
~ In the toilet?
~ Oh.
475
00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:41,370
~ Yes, and she won't come out.
~ Right, OK.
476
00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:44,370
~ Oh, bloody great.
~ I think, to begin with, she
went in there for a moment.
477
00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:46,090
~ Right.
~ Just to have a bit of a think.
~ Yes.
478
00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:48,410
But now's she dropped her
contact lens down the sink
479
00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:50,890
~ and she's refusing to come out.
~ Oh, right.
~ Oh, my God.
480
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:53,370
What the hell I'm supposed
to do about this, God knows.
481
00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:56,330
~ I had to tell someone.
~ Great.
~ You're really good at this stuff, Ian.
482
00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:59,370
~ Yes.
~ Yes, you are, Ian, yes.
~ What? Talking Anna Rampton out of toilets?
483
00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:01,960
Anyway, I didn't know
what else to do.
484
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,290
Plus we can make the Autocue,
like, really big.
485
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:08,570
In the context of the
launch of BBC Better
486
00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:10,450
and with the audience ready to go in,
487
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,250
it's clearly not such a great thing
488
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,330
that the new director of Better
has locked herself in the toilet.
489
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:17,290
Anna?
490
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:20,730
Yes, hello, Anna? We're all here now,
491
00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:23,120
Ian's here, it's lovely out here.
492
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:33,850
Look, just say something,
you stupid bitch.
493
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:36,290
OK, could everyone shut up
a minute? This isn't helping.
494
00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:37,450
(I know what's happened.)
495
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,690
(She has her glasses, she
has them wherever she goes)
496
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:42,250
~ (but she won't wear them, you know...)
~ (Right.)
~ (No.)
~ (OK.)
497
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,490
(Especially not at this.)
498
00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:45,970
~ (No, she won't.)
~ (No.)
~ No, sure, I totally get that.
499
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:47,610
~ I know, nightmare.
~ I'm like, "Duh."
500
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:49,850
~ You've tried everything else?
~ Trust me, I know her,
501
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,490
she is never coming out of there now.
502
00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:54,280
~ Right, OK, well...
~ Good luck.
~ Yes, thanks.
503
00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:56,770
Anna, it's Ian.
504
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:58,650
Just to say, if you need anything,
505
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,570
if there's anything
I can help you with...
506
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:03,410
Cos I'm not sure quite
what I mean by this
507
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:05,860
but I'm sure it's all basically OK.
508
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:18,940
Right. OK.
509
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:27,220
Hi.
510
00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:32,130
How are you?
511
00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:35,450
The fact is, I can't do this.
512
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,440
Well, I'm sure you can.
513
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:39,770
No-one knows about this
in there, by the way.
514
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:42,450
They're all fine with their wine
and olive thingies, you know,
515
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:43,530
is it tapenade?
516
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:46,530
Anyway, they're perfectly happy
braying at each other about
517
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:48,210
God knows what, so it's all...
518
00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:50,330
We've got time, you
can just... You know,
519
00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:54,690
if you want to talk or just
catch your breath, it's fine.
520
00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:57,610
Cos I think they're basically across
the Autocue thing now so...
521
00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:59,930
As far as I can gather, anyway.
522
00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:04,650
I mean, the other thing to say -
and I probably shouldn't say this,
523
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:06,450
so don't take it the wrong way -
524
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,850
I mean, here we are, we all
get very... But in the end,
525
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,930
in the big scheme of things, none
of this really matters that much.
526
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:13,130
I mean, not really, does it?
527
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:15,850
I don't mean... I just...
I sometimes find that helps.
528
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,900
Helps me, anyway, when...
529
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,060
Yes, so...
530
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:27,730
The other thing - and for God's sake,
don't take this the wrong way
531
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:30,090
either - is as far as the
whole glasses thing goes,
532
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:32,250
I have to say, I mean, they
certainly do it for me.
533
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,440
But, as I say, that's not...
534
00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:36,620
Ah, right.
535
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:41,210
Sorry, lip gloss, otherwise
I'd do it properly.
536
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:43,060
~ Right.
~ Yes.
~ Right.
537
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:46,900
Right, good, OK.
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