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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:08,001 PRIME SUSPECT Episode 3 - Part 2 The Keeper Of Souls 2 00:00:21,370 --> 00:00:24,646 Saturday afternoon, this bloke´s in town doing his shopping. 3 00:00:24,730 --> 00:00:27,164 Suddenly he starts screaming and shouting. 4 00:00:27,890 --> 00:00:31,246 "I am sick of people in this town calling me a sheepshagger! " 5 00:00:31,330 --> 00:00:34,959 "Listen, I deliver milk to the local school - 6 00:00:35,050 --> 00:00:36,847 nobody calls me the milk giver. 7 00:00:36,930 --> 00:00:40,479 I give clothes to the jumble sale - nobody calls me the clothes giver. 8 00:00:40,570 --> 00:00:44,768 I help at the local community centre - nobody calls me the community worker. 9 00:00:45,530 --> 00:00:47,600 I shag one sheep... " 10 00:00:51,610 --> 00:00:54,602 It´s brilliant, it´s brilliant. Yeah. 11 00:00:54,690 --> 00:00:57,807 I´ve just heard - we didn´t get anything off the Smithy tapes. 12 00:00:57,890 --> 00:01:01,770 This just came through. I´ve been doing a bit of digging after a tip-off. 13 00:01:01,851 --> 00:01:05,366 1979- a Mr Edward Parker was accused of molesting a boy in his care 14 00:01:05,451 --> 00:01:07,282 when he ran a home for kids in Manchester. 15 00:01:07,371 --> 00:01:09,965 Case dismissed. Lack of evidence. Anthony Field. 16 00:01:10,051 --> 00:01:13,487 1986- indecent assault on a minor. Case dismissed. 17 00:01:13,571 --> 00:01:15,448 Same Mr Edward Parker again, 18 00:01:15,531 --> 00:01:18,546 this time running the Calloway Centre in Cardiff, another home for kids. 19 00:01:18,631 --> 00:01:19,685 Jason Baldwin. 20 00:01:19,686 --> 00:01:22,054 You´re saying this Edward Parker´s the same... 21 00:01:22,091 --> 00:01:24,247 Could be Edward Parker-Jones. 22 00:01:24,331 --> 00:01:28,210 I´ve got the addresses of the two kids. I´d be up in Manchester and back by tonight. 23 00:01:28,291 --> 00:01:30,759 - Manchester? - Yeah. Cross over to Cardiff. 24 00:01:30,851 --> 00:01:33,206 Nice to get something on Parker-Jones, eh? 25 00:01:33,291 --> 00:01:35,759 - Dig a bit of dirt. - Yeah. I´ll do it, I´ll go. 26 00:01:36,491 --> 00:01:38,641 You? I thought you´d wanna be here. 27 00:01:38,731 --> 00:01:40,528 No. 28 00:01:41,291 --> 00:01:43,327 Give me a chance to talk to Dalton. 29 00:01:43,411 --> 00:01:45,845 Er, Richard, can I have a word with you? 30 00:01:45,931 --> 00:01:49,890 I don´t bloody believe this. I do all the legwork and she gets a day away. 31 00:01:49,971 --> 00:01:51,918 Didn´t have time this morning to do a briefing, 32 00:01:51,919 --> 00:01:53,718 so let´s do it now and then crack on. 33 00:01:53,791 --> 00:01:56,485 We know that Jackson would have taken about ten minutes 34 00:01:56,571 --> 00:01:59,722 from the Advice Centre to Vernon Reynolds´ flat and back. 35 00:01:59,811 --> 00:02:03,406 There are two possible routes. Richard, get a team together, blanket the area. 36 00:02:03,491 --> 00:02:06,085 - Any news on Jackson? - No, we haven´t found him yet. 37 00:02:06,171 --> 00:02:09,238 That´s brilliant. Go to his old hunting ground, stations 38 00:02:09,239 --> 00:02:10,978 That´s where you picked him up first. 39 00:02:11,691 --> 00:02:13,994 We´ve got a good motive now for Connie´s murder... 40 00:02:13,995 --> 00:02:15,775 and we all know that it wasn´t robbery. 41 00:02:16,531 --> 00:02:19,000 What are you muttering about, Bill? 42 00:02:19,092 --> 00:02:22,050 I was just saying it´s a pity about the Smithy tapes. 43 00:02:22,132 --> 00:02:26,648 They´re useless. Connie never named anyone, guv, apart from Jackson. 44 00:02:26,732 --> 00:02:28,882 Just some clubs where he met his clients. 45 00:02:28,972 --> 00:02:30,928 Er, yeah. No addresses as yet. 46 00:02:31,012 --> 00:02:33,810 But the clubs are Bowery Roof, 47 00:02:33,892 --> 00:02:37,931 Lola´s, Judy´s, and something that sounded like Puddles. 48 00:02:38,012 --> 00:02:39,968 Poodles. It´s called Poodles. 49 00:02:40,052 --> 00:02:42,043 The other two are gay bars. 50 00:02:42,132 --> 00:02:45,841 But the Bowery Roof is a very exclusive place. 51 00:02:45,932 --> 00:02:48,492 Lots of drag acts, transsexuals, transvestites. 52 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:51,846 Most members are city types. Professionals. 53 00:02:51,932 --> 00:02:54,241 You´re a bit well-informed. I only just got these. 54 00:02:54,332 --> 00:02:55,811 I´m a member. 55 00:02:55,892 --> 00:02:58,122 Are you joking, Ray? 56 00:02:58,212 --> 00:03:00,487 - That´s not funny. - I know it isn´t. 57 00:03:00,572 --> 00:03:02,244 I´m gay. 58 00:03:11,172 --> 00:03:15,131 You took your time in telling us. I mean, I know it´s your own private business... 59 00:03:15,212 --> 00:03:19,490 - I´ll leave the team if that´s what you want. - No, wait a minute. No. Sit down. 60 00:03:21,812 --> 00:03:25,168 Which of those clubs do you think are most likely to be frequented by... 61 00:03:25,252 --> 00:03:27,686 - Judges, MPs? ...police officers? 62 00:03:27,772 --> 00:03:29,251 The Bowery. 63 00:03:29,332 --> 00:03:31,641 - You well-known there? - No. 64 00:03:31,732 --> 00:03:33,689 It´s very expensive. 65 00:03:33,773 --> 00:03:36,492 I´ve only been twice. But I do know one thing. 66 00:03:36,573 --> 00:03:41,128 Asking questions with the others in tow - never get past the front door and word would leak. 67 00:03:41,213 --> 00:03:44,530 You´d never even get to the top brass, let alone ask them questions. 68 00:03:44,613 --> 00:03:48,492 What about access to membership lists? 69 00:03:48,573 --> 00:03:50,529 - No chance. - Shit. 70 00:03:50,613 --> 00:03:52,968 Most of them use false names or coded names. 71 00:03:53,053 --> 00:03:55,613 Even though what they´re doing is perfectly legal. 72 00:03:55,693 --> 00:04:01,131 But if they are going with underage kids, that ups the ante even further on covering up. 73 00:04:01,213 --> 00:04:03,812 So who they are would be really hush-hush. 74 00:04:03,813 --> 00:04:06,455 I mean, they´ve really got to protect themselves. 75 00:04:06,973 --> 00:04:10,090 One hint of a leak and they´ll close ranks. 76 00:04:12,293 --> 00:04:13,726 uless... 77 00:04:14,773 --> 00:04:17,412 We could get the lads to drag up. Go in that way. 78 00:04:17,493 --> 00:04:20,530 - Nobody pays any attention to them. - Oh, yeah, right! 79 00:04:20,613 --> 00:04:22,569 I´d pay to see that. 80 00:04:23,733 --> 00:04:28,124 Go and get some lunch. Oh, and tell Dalton to get his skates on, will you? 81 00:04:28,213 --> 00:04:30,169 - We´ve got a train to catch. - Sure. 82 00:04:31,973 --> 00:04:33,929 Thanks, Ray. 83 00:04:40,853 --> 00:04:43,128 Only one name off the Smithy tapes. 84 00:04:43,213 --> 00:04:48,446 - But it´s your man. It´s Jackson. - I know. Lets you off the hook, doesn´t it? 85 00:04:51,294 --> 00:04:53,250 Just a joke. 86 00:04:53,334 --> 00:04:56,167 Look, Jack, it may not be the time to talk about this, 87 00:04:56,254 --> 00:04:59,849 but it´s gotta be obvious to you that this case, it´s opening right up. 88 00:04:59,934 --> 00:05:02,528 It´s treading on Operation Contract´s heels. 89 00:05:04,374 --> 00:05:07,446 It´s my honest opinion that we should just cut our losses 90 00:05:07,534 --> 00:05:10,002 and concentrate on the murder investigation, because... 91 00:05:10,094 --> 00:05:15,168 I´m getting information that goes a whole lot deeper than a clean-up of street kids. 92 00:05:17,294 --> 00:05:19,967 I think Colin Jenkins was murdered to silence him 93 00:05:20,054 --> 00:05:23,729 because he was about to name the men involved in a paedophile ring. 94 00:05:23,814 --> 00:05:26,612 And you think Parker-Jones is involved. 95 00:05:26,694 --> 00:05:29,527 Well, he´s being very helpful, very co-operative. 96 00:05:30,654 --> 00:05:34,169 I don´t have a shred of evidence to link him with any paedophile ring, but... 97 00:05:34,254 --> 00:05:37,007 the Advice Centre, along with a number of other venues... 98 00:05:37,094 --> 00:05:39,050 And what about Jackson? 99 00:05:39,134 --> 00:05:41,284 I think that he murdered Colin Jenkins. 100 00:05:42,574 --> 00:05:44,610 - But... - But? 101 00:05:49,094 --> 00:05:51,050 It´s uh... It´s nothing. 102 00:05:52,094 --> 00:05:54,369 You´d better reel in Jackson, then. 103 00:05:56,054 --> 00:05:58,010 You have a very impressive career. 104 00:05:59,374 --> 00:06:01,330 Don´t blow it. 105 00:06:02,214 --> 00:06:03,886 Charge Jackson... 106 00:06:05,614 --> 00:06:07,810 ...and bury everything else. 107 00:06:13,015 --> 00:06:15,654 You´ve not said anything, Bill. What do you think? 108 00:06:15,735 --> 00:06:17,691 What, about him? Don´t worry me. 109 00:06:18,695 --> 00:06:21,493 We had one at Southampton Row. He didn´t last long. 110 00:06:48,975 --> 00:06:50,931 - See you in the pub, then. - Yeah. 111 00:07:16,775 --> 00:07:19,528 - Is it true? - What? That I´m gay? 112 00:07:22,975 --> 00:07:27,333 I just don´t believe in this day and age everybody´s making such a big deal of it. 113 00:07:29,456 --> 00:07:31,765 What are you looking at me like that for? 114 00:07:32,536 --> 00:07:34,731 I just don´t understand. 115 00:07:34,816 --> 00:07:37,011 - I thought I knew you. - You do. 116 00:07:38,336 --> 00:07:40,804 - Why? - Are you asking me why I´m gay? 117 00:07:41,776 --> 00:07:43,846 It´s the way I am. Always have been. 118 00:07:45,936 --> 00:07:47,892 Queer? 119 00:07:49,936 --> 00:07:51,892 Yeah. 120 00:07:51,976 --> 00:07:53,932 Queer. 121 00:07:54,656 --> 00:07:56,692 I´m gay. I don´t apologise for it. 122 00:07:58,896 --> 00:08:00,852 Look at you. 123 00:08:00,936 --> 00:08:04,485 The other two will come out with infantile, puerile cracks from now on. 124 00:08:04,576 --> 00:08:06,248 I just don´t believe it. 125 00:08:06,976 --> 00:08:09,365 - Do you live with a bloke? - Do you? 126 00:08:10,376 --> 00:08:13,209 - Of course I bloody don´t. - What difference does it make? 127 00:08:13,296 --> 00:08:14,888 My private life is just that. 128 00:08:14,976 --> 00:08:18,252 I don´t poke my nose in yours. What gives you the right to ask about mine? 129 00:08:18,336 --> 00:08:20,566 Because I work with you! 130 00:08:22,856 --> 00:08:26,815 As a matter of fact... I do live with somebody. 131 00:08:27,856 --> 00:08:30,768 And I´m very happy... thank you. 132 00:08:35,736 --> 00:08:38,409 Listen, I was gay before I met you. 133 00:08:39,136 --> 00:08:41,093 Didn´t start touching you up, 134 00:08:42,017 --> 00:08:43,973 or propositioning you, 135 00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:45,888 did I? 136 00:08:45,977 --> 00:08:48,810 I respect you. Why don´t you respect me? 137 00:08:51,017 --> 00:08:52,973 Now back off. 138 00:09:05,977 --> 00:09:08,207 - Manchester. There´s a coincidence. - Is there? 139 00:09:08,297 --> 00:09:11,369 It´s just I was supposed to meet a friend from there just now. 140 00:09:15,097 --> 00:09:17,053 Give you a lift, yeah? I´m in a car. 141 00:09:18,337 --> 00:09:19,895 Come on. 142 00:09:41,257 --> 00:09:43,213 Hello? It´s Tennison. 143 00:09:43,297 --> 00:09:46,528 I´m at Euston on my way to Manchester. Yeah, then Cardiff. 144 00:09:46,617 --> 00:09:51,611 Listen, I want a car followed. A dark blue Mercedes. Old four-door saloon. 145 00:09:51,697 --> 00:09:55,212 Yeah, I´ll get the number to you. The suspect´s name is James Jackson. 146 00:09:55,297 --> 00:09:58,495 OK? I want him tailed but not apprehended. 147 00:09:58,578 --> 00:10:00,534 Get Otley and Hall on it. 148 00:10:08,458 --> 00:10:10,608 It´s Larry Hall. Put me through to Vice. 149 00:10:10,698 --> 00:10:12,609 We´re outside Jackson´s house now. 150 00:10:12,698 --> 00:10:15,166 Kathy, anything on the house in Langley Road yet? 151 00:10:15,258 --> 00:10:18,887 Look, I will call you back as soon as I´ve got anything, all right? 152 00:10:18,978 --> 00:10:20,331 Right. 153 00:10:20,418 --> 00:10:21,931 - Shit. - What? 154 00:10:22,018 --> 00:10:25,567 Billy Matthews. Madam wants him requestioned about the Connie video. 155 00:10:25,658 --> 00:10:29,492 It´s all very well her saying arrest him, but we´ve been doing that for the past year. 156 00:10:29,578 --> 00:10:32,138 He´s only had four court appearances already. 157 00:10:34,858 --> 00:10:36,894 Charing Cross Hospital. Emergency Ward. 158 00:10:42,858 --> 00:10:46,214 Yes, got it. Edward Jones. Property owned by an Edward Jones. 159 00:10:46,298 --> 00:10:48,573 First floor - Margaret Fuller. Second... 160 00:10:48,658 --> 00:10:52,537 Basement - Abdul... unpronounceable. 161 00:10:52,618 --> 00:10:54,848 God, it´s flatlets. Brilliant. 162 00:10:58,018 --> 00:10:59,610 - Guess what? - What? 163 00:10:59,698 --> 00:11:03,452 Billy Matthews discharged himself an hour after we left him there. 164 00:11:04,298 --> 00:11:07,131 Do you know where I can get my batteries recharged? 165 00:11:16,019 --> 00:11:18,294 Hello? Hello-o-o? 166 00:11:18,379 --> 00:11:20,131 - Hello-o-o? - Guv. 167 00:11:20,219 --> 00:11:22,494 Just a minute. Hello? Can you hear me? 168 00:11:22,579 --> 00:11:24,410 Hello? 169 00:11:24,499 --> 00:11:25,834 ... phone. 170 00:11:25,899 --> 00:11:27,151 Hello? Oh, hello. 171 00:11:27,152 --> 00:11:31,713 Listen, you can gain entry even on suspición that a minor is being held there. 172 00:11:32,259 --> 00:11:34,056 Well, I´m reporting it, OK? 173 00:11:35,259 --> 00:11:37,215 It isn´t about the bank, is it? 174 00:11:37,299 --> 00:11:40,097 Only Anthony´s sure to be made assistant manager 175 00:11:40,179 --> 00:11:41,897 and I just wondered... 176 00:11:41,979 --> 00:11:45,176 Sorry to keep you waiting. Only just got in. 177 00:11:45,259 --> 00:11:47,215 - Is the kettle on, Ma? - Yes, yes. 178 00:11:47,299 --> 00:11:51,087 When it whistles, I´ll hear it, if you want to go and listen to your programme. 179 00:11:51,179 --> 00:11:53,135 Well, I... 180 00:11:56,739 --> 00:11:59,173 Sorry. I got cold feet as you were late. 181 00:11:59,259 --> 00:12:01,215 Sorry about that. 182 00:12:02,619 --> 00:12:04,610 We don´t need a warrant. 183 00:12:04,699 --> 00:12:08,453 We´ve reason to believe you´re holding a minor. You were seen leaving Euston. 184 00:12:09,539 --> 00:12:11,097 Bullshit. 185 00:12:11,179 --> 00:12:12,851 I know my rights, now piss off. 186 00:12:12,939 --> 00:12:15,612 You´ve got no warrant. You´re on private property. 187 00:12:15,699 --> 00:12:19,453 I have, as a citizen, a right to defend my property. Now piss off. 188 00:12:19,539 --> 00:12:21,575 - Are you Mrs Margaret Fuller? - Yes. 189 00:12:21,659 --> 00:12:24,537 Is this the juvenile I´m supposed to have prisoner? 190 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:26,655 Anybody up there? This is the police! 191 00:12:26,739 --> 00:12:29,697 Leave him alone. I just wanna see the kid´s all right. 192 00:12:29,779 --> 00:12:31,850 - I´ll break his arms. - She´s up here. 193 00:12:31,940 --> 00:12:34,215 Get out of here! You´re dead, Vera! 194 00:12:44,860 --> 00:12:46,691 And this is my er... 195 00:12:46,780 --> 00:12:48,577 My dad and my little sister. 196 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:51,128 They were killed in a car crash when I was five. 197 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:54,494 And after that, Mum had a nervous breakdown. 198 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:57,216 That´s why I was sent to the home. 199 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:03,568 Anthony, can you tell me about the court case? 200 00:13:05,380 --> 00:13:07,371 Look, I know how difficult it is. 201 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:09,337 Really? 202 00:13:10,060 --> 00:13:12,494 I need to know about the man who ran the home. 203 00:13:14,340 --> 00:13:16,615 You see, it´s my belief that he´s still... 204 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:20,178 At it? 205 00:13:20,940 --> 00:13:22,578 Mm. 206 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:28,777 His um... 207 00:13:28,860 --> 00:13:30,771 His name was Edward Parker. 208 00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:35,816 My case never even got to court. 209 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:45,289 Jesus. 210 00:13:47,060 --> 00:13:50,610 I´ve called an ambulance. The other kid´s being taken in now. 211 00:13:50,701 --> 00:13:53,818 - Vera wants to go. - I´m doing a club tonight. 212 00:13:53,901 --> 00:13:55,459 Can I go? 213 00:13:55,541 --> 00:13:57,657 I´m doing the cabaret. 214 00:14:04,741 --> 00:14:07,414 You won´t get any sense out of him. 215 00:14:07,501 --> 00:14:10,971 - He´ll tell you anything just to stay here. - I´m OK, I´m OK. 216 00:14:13,541 --> 00:14:16,658 You´re not OK, Billy, love. You´re not OK at all. 217 00:14:19,461 --> 00:14:21,213 Can I go? 218 00:14:27,541 --> 00:14:31,693 - Where´s that bloody ambulance? - They said there´d be a 15- minute delay. 219 00:14:36,341 --> 00:14:38,775 - Don´t leave me. - It´s all right, Billy, lad. 220 00:14:39,741 --> 00:14:41,857 He had a special nickname for me 221 00:14:43,221 --> 00:14:47,976 He said that whenever he used that special name it was a code. 222 00:14:49,341 --> 00:14:51,616 That was when he wanted me to go to his room. 223 00:14:51,701 --> 00:14:55,819 And how long did this abuse go on for... before you told anyone? 224 00:14:56,541 --> 00:14:58,497 Three years. 225 00:15:00,181 --> 00:15:02,137 There was no-one to tell. 226 00:15:03,381 --> 00:15:06,579 He always said that... if I told anyone... 227 00:15:08,822 --> 00:15:11,382 ...I would have to eat my own faeces. 228 00:15:13,742 --> 00:15:16,017 I got a letter from my mother. 229 00:15:17,182 --> 00:15:19,650 She said she was much better. 230 00:15:19,742 --> 00:15:22,256 So... I ran away. 231 00:15:24,622 --> 00:15:26,578 I went to the police station... 232 00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:31,056 and er... they called in a social worker. 233 00:15:33,382 --> 00:15:35,134 A woman. 234 00:15:36,062 --> 00:15:38,417 I had to tell her. It was very embarrassing. 235 00:15:39,142 --> 00:15:41,133 How old were you then? 236 00:15:41,862 --> 00:15:43,818 Eight, nearly nine. 237 00:15:49,222 --> 00:15:52,055 They took my statement and then er... 238 00:15:53,422 --> 00:15:59,179 ...a plain-clothes police officer came into the room to question me. 239 00:16:06,622 --> 00:16:09,659 Anthony, I really appreciate you telling us all this. 240 00:16:12,022 --> 00:16:14,013 Can you go on? 241 00:16:16,582 --> 00:16:18,538 Thank you. 242 00:16:18,622 --> 00:16:22,093 This um... police officer - 243 00:16:24,343 --> 00:16:26,299 I never knew his name - 244 00:16:27,903 --> 00:16:30,736 he er, he asked me if I... 245 00:16:31,823 --> 00:16:34,895 ...if I knew what happened to little boys that tell lies. 246 00:16:37,103 --> 00:16:39,412 And then I said I was not telling lies. 247 00:16:42,623 --> 00:16:44,579 And he said er... 248 00:16:47,503 --> 00:16:49,459 ...well, we will soon know. 249 00:16:50,623 --> 00:16:52,579 And um... 250 00:16:53,943 --> 00:16:55,740 ...um... 251 00:16:56,463 --> 00:16:58,419 ...he er... he undid my pants... 252 00:16:59,183 --> 00:17:00,935 and er... 253 00:17:04,743 --> 00:17:06,540 And he did it to me. 254 00:17:09,063 --> 00:17:13,978 He said that um... that if I told anyone, I would go to prison. 255 00:17:16,303 --> 00:17:18,612 This police officer penetrated you? 256 00:17:18,703 --> 00:17:20,455 Mm. 257 00:17:21,623 --> 00:17:23,579 - At the police station? - Mm-hm. 258 00:17:24,703 --> 00:17:26,694 Was anyone else present? 259 00:17:33,943 --> 00:17:35,899 So... 260 00:17:35,983 --> 00:17:39,340 I said that I was, that I had been, 261 00:17:40,504 --> 00:17:42,460 telling lies. 262 00:17:43,944 --> 00:17:45,900 Case dismissed. 263 00:17:45,984 --> 00:17:48,134 They er... they sent me back to the home. 264 00:17:50,544 --> 00:17:53,422 I was there for another two years. 265 00:18:00,304 --> 00:18:01,623 Mm. 266 00:18:03,584 --> 00:18:06,257 I sincerely believe the man who assaulted you... 267 00:18:06,344 --> 00:18:09,302 I´m not interested in what you believe. 268 00:18:10,264 --> 00:18:13,381 I´m only interested in my life and my career. 269 00:18:15,064 --> 00:18:19,296 Whatever happens to him now is no longer my concern. 270 00:18:19,384 --> 00:18:22,262 I refuse to let him destroy my life. 271 00:18:22,344 --> 00:18:26,337 - But you´ll let him destroy others. - No. You let him. 272 00:18:27,704 --> 00:18:29,615 I don´t care about anyone else. 273 00:18:30,424 --> 00:18:32,699 If where was a court case - if - 274 00:18:33,864 --> 00:18:38,255 then I´d be forced to relive what that bastard did to me... again. 275 00:18:38,984 --> 00:18:43,182 I only agreed to see you on condition that you didn´t want me to go to court. 276 00:18:43,264 --> 00:18:45,220 I won´t testify. 277 00:18:46,024 --> 00:18:47,980 And you can´t make me. 278 00:18:55,945 --> 00:18:58,015 So I told Halliday this morning. 279 00:18:58,105 --> 00:19:02,462 I said, "We should just put Operation Contract quietly to bed. " 280 00:19:02,545 --> 00:19:04,775 You worked on it for six months, didn´t you? 281 00:19:04,865 --> 00:19:06,821 I worked on it for six months. 282 00:19:07,545 --> 00:19:10,617 Doing surveillance on all the areas we targeted. Right. 283 00:19:11,785 --> 00:19:14,458 On the night earmarked for the big swoop, Friday, 284 00:19:14,545 --> 00:19:17,981 we got less than we would have done on a wet Tuesday afternoon. 285 00:19:18,065 --> 00:19:20,943 Listen, did you target Edward Parker-Jones? 286 00:19:22,545 --> 00:19:24,217 Why do you ask that? 287 00:19:24,305 --> 00:19:26,640 I know you sent those faxes to Otley about the case. 288 00:19:26,641 --> 00:19:29,255 One in Manchester, the other in Cardiff. 289 00:19:31,745 --> 00:19:34,578 Look, I´m going to be totally honest with you. 290 00:19:35,865 --> 00:19:37,909 I Xeroxed these before I left, 291 00:19:37,910 --> 00:19:41,059 just more or less to protect myself in case there was any shit. 292 00:19:41,094 --> 00:19:43,538 Dig in to these. I think they go away back. 293 00:19:43,625 --> 00:19:45,343 Maybe before me. 294 00:19:45,425 --> 00:19:47,461 Chiswick´s the grand puppet master. 295 00:19:49,865 --> 00:19:52,299 - Fancy a whisky upstairs? - I´d love one. 296 00:19:53,345 --> 00:19:54,937 - Ah. - Um... 297 00:19:55,025 --> 00:19:59,735 Toothbrush, toothpaste and er... I thought you might need that. It´s make-up remover. 298 00:19:59,825 --> 00:20:02,703 Aw. Thank you. That´s very thoughtful. How much do I owe you? 299 00:20:02,785 --> 00:20:04,537 Receipt´s in the bag. 300 00:20:06,385 --> 00:20:08,819 This is Detective Chief Inspector David Lyall. 301 00:20:08,905 --> 00:20:12,785 David, this is Brian Dalton. Detective Inspector Dalton. 302 00:20:12,866 --> 00:20:14,822 - Pleased to meet you. - Likewise. 303 00:20:14,906 --> 00:20:17,056 - So, is your room OK? - Yeah, room´s fine. 304 00:20:17,146 --> 00:20:19,899 Good. OK. Well, I´ll see you tomorrow. Early. OK? 305 00:20:20,626 --> 00:20:22,582 - Night. - Yeah, OK. 306 00:20:28,306 --> 00:20:31,616 - Didn´t expect to stay the night. - There you go. 307 00:20:31,706 --> 00:20:33,424 - Cheers. - Cheers. 308 00:20:37,106 --> 00:20:39,062 I hear very good things about you. 309 00:20:39,146 --> 00:20:41,944 You´re not scared off anything. Well, I am. 310 00:20:42,706 --> 00:20:44,805 There´s gonna be lots of us demoted in our rank 311 00:20:44,866 --> 00:20:48,422 and I know there´s a superintendent vacancy coming up, so... 312 00:20:50,626 --> 00:20:52,582 ...you take these. 313 00:20:53,786 --> 00:20:56,220 I´m sorry, but I´m looking out for my future. 314 00:20:56,306 --> 00:20:58,789 This Sheehy inquiry has really put the flutter around. 315 00:20:58,846 --> 00:21:01,557 The only ones safe will be those with 30 years´ experience... 316 00:21:01,558 --> 00:21:03,738 and I don´t fancy being demoted. 317 00:21:04,073 --> 00:21:06,624 I worked hard enough for the DCI rank as it is. 318 00:21:07,077 --> 00:21:08,678 So there was a leak. 319 00:21:14,186 --> 00:21:16,336 Tell me, what do you think of Bill Otley? 320 00:21:16,426 --> 00:21:17,984 Good man. 321 00:21:18,066 --> 00:21:20,022 One of the old school. Hard worker. 322 00:21:20,106 --> 00:21:22,574 - Did he tell you that? - About the leak? Yeah. 323 00:21:28,226 --> 00:21:30,787 Well, I reckon I´ve done my favour. 324 00:21:32,227 --> 00:21:34,183 - Good luck to you. - Thanks, David. 325 00:21:39,347 --> 00:21:40,905 Where is that vacancy? 326 00:21:41,867 --> 00:21:46,304 It´s one of the AMIT areas. Everybody can´t go up but I´m going to give it my best shot. 327 00:21:46,387 --> 00:21:48,343 Good night, love. 328 00:21:49,827 --> 00:21:51,783 - Good luck. - Thank you. 329 00:21:55,587 --> 00:21:57,623 My wife´s not gonna believe this. 330 00:21:57,707 --> 00:22:01,302 - I told her I was off duty. - It´s that film, innit? Some Like It Hot. 331 00:22:02,827 --> 00:22:05,216 Tony Curtis and? 332 00:22:05,307 --> 00:22:09,380 Jack Lemmon. It was dreadful. Silly walks. They´d never have got away with it. 333 00:22:09,467 --> 00:22:11,378 Anybody could see they weren´t female. 334 00:22:11,379 --> 00:22:13,682 That wasn´t the point though. It was a comedy. 335 00:22:13,747 --> 00:22:17,496 Well, for some, dear, being in drag is the only time they feel right. 336 00:22:17,587 --> 00:22:20,370 It is not funny at all... is it? 337 00:22:20,387 --> 00:22:22,343 I wouldn´t know. 338 00:22:32,987 --> 00:22:35,376 - How much did they set you back? - A lot. 339 00:22:42,067 --> 00:22:44,023 Red´s here now. 340 00:22:48,148 --> 00:22:51,504 I´ve not got much time before I go on, so let´s make it snappy. 341 00:22:51,588 --> 00:22:55,342 One at a time. I don´t know if I can get you in the back bar. It´s jammed in there. 342 00:22:55,428 --> 00:22:58,226 - Maybe you can work it yourselves? ...a great favourite! 343 00:22:58,308 --> 00:23:00,617 A truly beautiful and talented act. 344 00:23:00,708 --> 00:23:04,337 Please welcome Miss Vera Reynolds! 345 00:23:08,028 --> 00:23:10,826 # I wanna be loved by you 346 00:23:10,908 --> 00:23:12,307 # Just you 347 00:23:12,388 --> 00:23:14,743 # Nobody else but you... 348 00:23:15,468 --> 00:23:17,106 Come on, let´s mingle. 349 00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:20,100 #... loved by you alone 350 00:23:20,828 --> 00:23:22,466 # Boo-boop-bee-doo 351 00:23:23,308 --> 00:23:26,266 # I wanna be kissed by you 352 00:23:26,348 --> 00:23:27,747 # Just you 353 00:23:27,828 --> 00:23:30,342 # Nobody else but you... 354 00:23:31,788 --> 00:23:35,383 - Are you crazy? Why? Why did you do it? - Because they asked me to. 355 00:23:35,468 --> 00:23:38,699 I´m out of here. If you´d got any sense, you´d leave too. 356 00:23:38,788 --> 00:23:40,665 - You´ve got another spot. - You do it. 357 00:23:40,748 --> 00:23:43,581 - I haven´t done my own yet. - They stick out like sore thumbs. 358 00:23:43,668 --> 00:23:44,719 They don´t. 359 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,620 - They´re asking everyone bloody questions! - I want to help. 360 00:23:46,688 --> 00:23:50,939 I thought you cared about Connie. Somebody killed him. You know it, I know it. 361 00:23:51,028 --> 00:23:53,462 - You might be able to stomach what goes on... - Me? 362 00:23:53,548 --> 00:23:56,038 You live with that slimebag, Mark Lewis, not me. 363 00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:58,039 I´ve never been involved in it all, never... 364 00:23:58,108 --> 00:24:00,124 But you are involved, aren´t you? 365 00:24:00,208 --> 00:24:01,450 You lied to me. 366 00:24:01,451 --> 00:24:04,020 I covered up for you, but all this stuff with the kids and Jackson. 367 00:24:04,129 --> 00:24:07,660 I´m shacking up at his place because I´ve got nowhere else to go. 368 00:24:07,749 --> 00:24:11,298 He won´t leave me alone till this blows over. Now you´ve got the cops in here. 369 00:24:11,389 --> 00:24:13,545 He´ll think I done it. Not you, me. 370 00:24:14,069 --> 00:24:16,025 Red, those two queens of yours... 371 00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:19,219 - You´ve got another spot, Vera. - I´ll do it. 372 00:24:19,309 --> 00:24:20,742 Christ. 373 00:24:20,829 --> 00:24:24,026 Those two queens of yours - I´ve had a complaint. They´ll have to go. 374 00:24:24,109 --> 00:24:26,065 All right. I´ll come clean. 375 00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:28,105 I don´t know ´em. 376 00:24:28,189 --> 00:24:31,977 They latched on to me at Lola´s club. They gave me a few quid to get ´em in. 377 00:24:32,069 --> 00:24:34,025 It´s the truth, I swear before God. 378 00:24:34,109 --> 00:24:37,146 Now, can I have a bit of privacy? My tits need readjusting. 379 00:24:42,349 --> 00:24:44,419 Hey, Vera! 380 00:24:48,589 --> 00:24:50,545 I bloody protected you, you slag! 381 00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:53,305 And you bring the filth into my house! 382 00:24:54,029 --> 00:24:56,589 - Why did you do that, then, Vera? - It wasn´t me. 383 00:24:56,669 --> 00:25:00,025 I swear before God, Jimmy, it wasn´t me. I wouldn´t, would I? 384 00:25:00,109 --> 00:25:02,065 - What? - I need you. 385 00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:04,745 Why would I tip off the law about you? 386 00:25:05,469 --> 00:25:07,300 Who is it to do with, then, eh? 387 00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:09,985 Is it Red? 388 00:25:10,069 --> 00:25:12,025 How much does he know? 389 00:25:13,069 --> 00:25:14,468 Eh? 390 00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:16,505 Where´s Red? 391 00:25:16,589 --> 00:25:19,149 I don´t know. He´s not on tonight. He had a cold. 392 00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:21,986 He´s staying at Mark Lewis´s. 393 00:25:24,790 --> 00:25:28,703 It´s the truth, Jimmy, honestly. That´s how he knows everything. 394 00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:52,226 ? Techno 395 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:25,185 Bloody thing. 396 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:35,866 ? Techno 397 00:27:17,671 --> 00:27:20,185 - Where the bloody hell were you? - I was over there! 398 00:27:20,271 --> 00:27:23,183 - Why didn´t you call out? - Have you got any handcuffs? 399 00:27:23,271 --> 00:27:25,501 Oh, take a wild guess. 400 00:27:27,231 --> 00:27:30,826 Skipper, it´s about Billy Matthews. 401 00:27:30,911 --> 00:27:34,347 - Is he dead? - No, no, no. He´s got a bronchial infection. 402 00:27:34,431 --> 00:27:39,186 He´s in Charing Cross Hospital. They won´t treat him cos he keeps discharging himself. 403 00:27:39,271 --> 00:27:42,741 He discharged himself last night and he discharged himself on the 17th. 404 00:27:42,831 --> 00:27:45,299 - 17th. The night Connie died, right? - Yeah. 405 00:27:46,071 --> 00:27:49,666 Discharged himself. So he couldn´t have been at the centre. 406 00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:51,787 - Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, lovely. 407 00:27:51,871 --> 00:27:54,830 Parker-Jones is very specific about that, Billy. 408 00:27:54,912 --> 00:27:57,904 Alan Thorpe - he was too pissed to remember. 409 00:27:57,992 --> 00:28:01,189 We find those other two lads, Jackson´s screwed, right? 410 00:28:01,272 --> 00:28:04,150 - Fancy a hamburger? - No, no. I´m knackered. 411 00:28:04,232 --> 00:28:06,985 - Came off hours ago. - On your bike. See you tomorrow. 412 00:28:07,072 --> 00:28:08,221 All right. 413 00:28:09,952 --> 00:28:11,988 I reckon he got a backhander. 414 00:28:12,172 --> 00:28:13,791 You know Billy Matthews? 415 00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:16,092 Well, when he first come up he was, what, ten? 416 00:28:16,112 --> 00:28:18,148 Connie nabbed Billy fast, didn´t he? 417 00:28:18,232 --> 00:28:21,065 Do you think Connie was paid for finding young kids, then? 418 00:28:21,152 --> 00:28:23,666 - For the films, like. - They´re all perverts. 419 00:28:23,752 --> 00:28:26,391 Big posh houses, lot of dough. Dirty bastards. 420 00:28:26,472 --> 00:28:29,744 - You scruffy buggers didn´t go to posh houses. - Yeah. Yeah. 421 00:28:33,792 --> 00:28:38,627 Do you two want to drive around in the panda, show me that posh house? Tenner in it for you. 422 00:28:38,712 --> 00:28:40,668 OK. Come on. 423 00:28:41,712 --> 00:28:43,145 Come on. 424 00:28:48,592 --> 00:28:50,981 Come on, this is the fifth road. Is it here or what? 425 00:28:56,592 --> 00:28:59,982 That´s the one. Has it got stone animals outside the gates? 426 00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,028 Connie said they were lions. 427 00:29:02,112 --> 00:29:03,864 Good lad. Remember anything else? 428 00:29:03,952 --> 00:29:05,988 I think the lad´s pulling your leg, sarge. 429 00:29:06,072 --> 00:29:09,348 This is Assistant Deputy Commissioner Kennington´s home. 430 00:29:10,073 --> 00:29:11,347 Drive on. 431 00:29:17,433 --> 00:29:20,550 - You said Jason was known to the locals. - He´s more than known. 432 00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:22,863 He spends more time in the cells than out. 433 00:29:22,953 --> 00:29:26,741 He´s a nice enough bloke when he´s sober, but he´s a nightmare when he´s not. 434 00:29:26,833 --> 00:29:29,188 He´s been had up for assault, petty crimes. 435 00:29:29,273 --> 00:29:31,070 Has a lot of marital troubles. 436 00:29:31,153 --> 00:29:34,429 She´s always calling us in but then withdraws the charges. 437 00:29:37,913 --> 00:29:40,552 Well, the bad news isn´t even worth discussing. 438 00:29:41,313 --> 00:29:43,349 Haskons and Lillie got dragged up. 439 00:29:44,233 --> 00:29:45,951 - What? - Don´t even ask. 440 00:29:46,033 --> 00:29:48,103 The good news is they brought in Jackson. 441 00:29:48,193 --> 00:29:52,106 - Are you serious? They got dragged up? - I said I don´t wanna talk about it. 442 00:29:52,193 --> 00:29:54,753 But there´s another alibi down. Driscoll. 443 00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:59,349 He´s admitted that he lied because Jackson threatened to beat him up. What number is it? 444 00:29:59,433 --> 00:30:01,424 WPC: 63. 5th floor. 445 00:30:02,513 --> 00:30:04,629 You´re from Liverpool right? 446 00:30:04,713 --> 00:30:06,146 Yeah. 447 00:30:06,233 --> 00:30:09,509 And um... how old were you when you first went into the home? 448 00:30:09,593 --> 00:30:13,142 - Which one? - The one run by Edward Parker-Jones. 449 00:30:13,233 --> 00:30:14,871 Ten. 450 00:30:15,593 --> 00:30:17,549 I was sent there from a foster home. 451 00:30:18,753 --> 00:30:21,426 I got into a bit of thieving, so they got shot of me. 452 00:30:22,193 --> 00:30:25,344 Are you prepared to act as a witness for the prosecution? 453 00:30:26,633 --> 00:30:28,306 Sure. 454 00:30:29,674 --> 00:30:31,312 Thanks. 455 00:30:35,114 --> 00:30:38,106 Can you tell me when the sexual abuse started? 456 00:30:38,874 --> 00:30:43,823 It was um... the second or third day I was there. 457 00:30:44,914 --> 00:30:47,474 Parker just called us into his office and um... 458 00:30:48,954 --> 00:30:50,910 That was it. It started then. 459 00:30:53,914 --> 00:30:56,540 Like you could do or say anything about it. It was like he was... 460 00:30:57,276 --> 00:30:59,452 a law unto himself, you know. 461 00:31:00,794 --> 00:31:03,262 And it wasn´t just me. He was having us all. 462 00:31:03,994 --> 00:31:06,064 He´d give you a certain amount of fags. 463 00:31:06,154 --> 00:31:08,110 Like, it was five for a blow job. 464 00:31:09,514 --> 00:31:13,473 You knew when one of the lads had gone all the way with him - they was flush with fags. 465 00:31:13,554 --> 00:31:16,022 - Have you got one by the way? - Oh, yeah, sure. 466 00:31:19,274 --> 00:31:20,673 Here. 467 00:31:20,754 --> 00:31:22,551 Keep the pack. I´m trying to give up. 468 00:31:27,794 --> 00:31:29,864 What made you report him? 469 00:31:32,234 --> 00:31:34,509 Short-changed us on some fags, didn´t he? 470 00:31:34,594 --> 00:31:36,550 So I thought... "Screw him. " 471 00:31:38,234 --> 00:31:41,112 Went to the social worker. Bitch. 472 00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:46,623 She fancied him, you know. He used to get it off with women as well. 473 00:31:47,795 --> 00:31:52,152 Anyway, she went on and on at me. Did I know what I was saying? What it meant? 474 00:31:52,235 --> 00:31:54,465 I said, "Yeah, I know what it means to me. " 475 00:31:55,195 --> 00:31:58,346 If you don´t do something about it, I´m going to the cops. 476 00:31:58,435 --> 00:32:01,791 - And how old were you then? - Dunno. 12, 13. 477 00:32:02,795 --> 00:32:04,592 And did you go to the cops? 478 00:32:05,635 --> 00:32:07,591 Yeah. 479 00:32:07,675 --> 00:32:09,825 Well, he wouldn´t leave us alone, would he? 480 00:32:09,915 --> 00:32:12,475 She wasn´t going to do anything about it, so... 481 00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:15,066 I went to the police station. 482 00:32:15,155 --> 00:32:17,111 Made a statement. 483 00:32:18,395 --> 00:32:22,673 They were all running round, like, asking all these questions and then er... 484 00:32:24,715 --> 00:32:26,671 ...the doctor examined me and... 485 00:32:35,035 --> 00:32:36,991 Er, yeah, and then um... 486 00:32:38,195 --> 00:32:40,755 This copper gets me into his office and then... 487 00:32:46,275 --> 00:32:48,027 And what happened then, Jason? 488 00:32:50,835 --> 00:32:52,507 Um... 489 00:32:53,515 --> 00:32:57,303 He said that... if I said I was lying... 490 00:32:59,835 --> 00:33:03,909 ...he´d make it cushy for me, give me money, cigarettes, things like that. 491 00:33:05,196 --> 00:33:06,948 Said they´d move me somewhere nice. 492 00:33:07,036 --> 00:33:09,504 Do you remember the police officer´s name? 493 00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:12,435 Was he in uniform? 494 00:33:12,516 --> 00:33:15,508 He was a friend of Parker´s. They worked it together. 495 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:20,551 So anyway, they sent me back, never got round to moving me. 496 00:33:20,636 --> 00:33:22,388 And um... 497 00:33:23,116 --> 00:33:25,346 I became a very heavy smoker. 498 00:33:32,116 --> 00:33:35,552 Do you remember the doctor´s name? The one that examined you. 499 00:33:35,636 --> 00:33:38,514 That´s not going to help you much. He died of cancer. 500 00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:41,989 Nice fella. 501 00:33:42,076 --> 00:33:45,113 His name was something... Ellis. 502 00:33:48,596 --> 00:33:52,191 Well, that´s it for now, I think. Thanks very much. 503 00:33:53,996 --> 00:33:56,874 So, what are you doing now, Jason? Have you got a job? 504 00:33:56,956 --> 00:33:58,787 No. No qualifications. 505 00:33:58,876 --> 00:34:01,151 Five-year-old kid reads better than I do. 506 00:34:02,236 --> 00:34:04,830 I do odd jobs around the place. Fix up cars. 507 00:34:07,436 --> 00:34:09,392 I get drunk. 508 00:34:09,476 --> 00:34:11,194 Like if... 509 00:34:11,916 --> 00:34:13,872 ...sometimes I get a bit angry. 510 00:34:14,916 --> 00:34:16,872 And then you get into trouble. 511 00:34:18,237 --> 00:34:20,307 Have you ever told anyone else about this? 512 00:34:20,397 --> 00:34:23,548 There´s no point, is there? You just have to live with it. 513 00:34:23,637 --> 00:34:26,913 I promise you we will do everything we can to put this man away. 514 00:34:26,997 --> 00:34:28,953 I promise you that, Jason. 515 00:34:31,237 --> 00:34:33,193 You haven´t got him, have you? 516 00:34:36,917 --> 00:34:38,873 Not yet, no. 517 00:34:43,717 --> 00:34:46,356 Well, goodbye, then, Jason. We´ll be in touch. 518 00:34:58,877 --> 00:35:00,833 You know, one night at the home, 519 00:35:01,917 --> 00:35:03,873 we was watching this documentary. 520 00:35:03,957 --> 00:35:06,221 Sabe, it was a Nazi thing. 521 00:35:06,222 --> 00:35:08,034 And this fella who ran the concentration camp... 522 00:35:08,035 --> 00:35:09,295 You know what they are? 523 00:35:09,330 --> 00:35:11,471 Well, his name was the Ángel of Death. 524 00:35:11,689 --> 00:35:14,110 And after the war he escaped, right? 525 00:35:14,197 --> 00:35:18,429 He was never hanged. Nobody arrested him. Nobody even brought him to trial. 526 00:35:18,517 --> 00:35:20,473 That´s like Parker, isn´t it? 527 00:35:20,557 --> 00:35:24,709 He did me for eight years. He did everyone in his care. 528 00:35:24,797 --> 00:35:28,312 You know what we used to call him? We called him the "Keeper of Souls". 529 00:35:28,397 --> 00:35:32,151 Jason, look, go back upstairs. There´s glass around. You´ll hurt yourself. 530 00:35:32,237 --> 00:35:34,388 You want to see what the Keeper did to me? 531 00:35:44,398 --> 00:35:47,549 The man who did this will pay for it, I promise you, Jason. 532 00:35:47,638 --> 00:35:49,594 Look, I promise you. 533 00:36:12,358 --> 00:36:13,950 You´ll just make your train. 534 00:36:32,158 --> 00:36:35,628 Bronwen, can you do a crosscheck on this for me, please? 535 00:36:35,718 --> 00:36:38,107 - Check with social services. - OK. 536 00:36:44,078 --> 00:36:45,830 He´ll live. 537 00:36:45,918 --> 00:36:47,795 Broken leg and hip bone. He´s OK. 538 00:36:51,319 --> 00:36:53,753 - His wife and kid. I sent a cab for them. - OK. 539 00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:58,037 You know, Anthony and Jason? That´s too much of a coincidence. 540 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,192 I mean, if Edward Parker-Jones moved on, maybe so did that police officer. 541 00:37:02,279 --> 00:37:03,951 Any developments on Jackson? 542 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,638 What? 543 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,675 - You said he´d been picked up. - Oh, no. 544 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,195 What about you? 545 00:37:12,279 --> 00:37:14,235 Heard from that hospital yet? 546 00:37:15,799 --> 00:37:17,915 No, not yet. 547 00:37:17,999 --> 00:37:20,991 - Still waiting. - Oh? How long does it take? 548 00:37:23,279 --> 00:37:24,837 I don´t know. 549 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,669 Don´t know. 550 00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:34,870 What? 551 00:37:34,959 --> 00:37:37,314 Well, when are you gonna come clean, Brian? 552 00:37:38,279 --> 00:37:39,837 What do you mean? 553 00:37:40,019 --> 00:37:42,252 When are you going to tell me what a high-flyer like you... 554 00:37:42,253 --> 00:37:44,278 is doing attached to this investigation? 555 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,390 I mean, look at you. You´re university educated. 556 00:37:49,391 --> 00:37:50,925 You´re Fraud Squad. 557 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:52,978 You´re hand-in-glove with Chiswick. 558 00:37:52,979 --> 00:37:55,704 I know you report back to him, for God´s sake. 559 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,751 Come on, you´re my mate. You can tell me what´s going on. 560 00:38:05,439 --> 00:38:07,873 I have to report back to Commander Chiswick. 561 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,193 Lf, and only if, your investigation crosses another investigation. 562 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,236 Very good. 563 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,154 All right, you´ve started now. So what investigation might that be? 564 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,517 It´s about the blackmail of an assistant deputy commissioner. 565 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,876 He was, or had been, on enforced leave for eight months. 566 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,474 Six months previous to the blackmail threats. 567 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,916 One of the most senior officers ever to be subject to disciplinary procedures. 568 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,798 The matter was passed to the Home Office from Scotland Yard. 569 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,393 Who the hell is it? 570 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,393 Assistant Deputy Commissioner John Kennington. 571 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,870 What was going on before the blackmail? 572 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,794 Eight months enforced leave? Long time. Must have been something big. 573 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,677 There´s possible involvement with a paedophile ring. 574 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,595 Jason Baldwin´s social worker. 575 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,430 Margaret Spell. She´s now based in... 576 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,988 London. Thank you very much. 577 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,796 Kennington. 578 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,475 - Would you like some coffee? - No, thank you. 579 00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:30,757 - So, what can I do for you, Chief Inspector? - Were you at one time working at Cardiff? 580 00:39:31,521 --> 00:39:35,036 Yes. And in Liverpool. I also worked in Birmingham. 581 00:39:35,121 --> 00:39:38,909 Was Edward Parker-Jones also working in Liverpool and Birmingham? 582 00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:39,952 No. 583 00:39:39,953 --> 00:39:41,832 Well, we can be thankful for that, can´t we? 584 00:39:41,841 --> 00:39:43,797 Do you know Anthony Field? 585 00:39:46,481 --> 00:39:49,837 No? Well, what about Jason Baldwin? He was one time a resident... 586 00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,877 Yes, yes, yes. I remember Jason. 587 00:39:51,961 --> 00:39:55,112 Do you have a close relationship with Edward Parker-Jones? 588 00:39:56,321 --> 00:40:00,439 - I don´t think that´s any of your business. - Yes, Margaret. It´s very much my business. 589 00:40:00,521 --> 00:40:04,434 Jason tried to kill himself right in front of me this afternoon. 590 00:40:04,521 --> 00:40:08,514 He´s prepared to make a statement that when he was in the care of Edward Parker-Jones, 591 00:40:08,601 --> 00:40:11,161 he was sexually abused for a period of six years... 592 00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:13,994 and that you, at that time, were his social worker. 593 00:40:18,761 --> 00:40:22,390 You were Jason Baldwin´s social worker, weren´t you, Margaret? 594 00:40:24,921 --> 00:40:27,116 You were Jason´s social worker. 595 00:40:31,841 --> 00:40:33,797 Yes. 596 00:40:33,881 --> 00:40:35,837 Are you aware of these allegations? 597 00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:39,280 Were you aware of them when you were working in Cardiff? 598 00:40:41,401 --> 00:40:44,314 Oh... Jason was always telling lies. 599 00:40:45,042 --> 00:40:46,714 He was a compulsive liar. 600 00:40:48,802 --> 00:40:50,758 Ten-year-old boy, Margaret. 601 00:40:51,482 --> 00:40:54,838 You refused to believe him and he had six more years of abuse. 602 00:40:54,922 --> 00:40:56,878 Oh, God. 603 00:40:58,002 --> 00:40:59,958 This is not true. 604 00:41:02,682 --> 00:41:06,561 - If I´d have believed for one moment... - Oh, you believe it, Margaret. 605 00:41:09,202 --> 00:41:11,477 So, do you know Colin Jenkins? 606 00:41:15,442 --> 00:41:17,114 No. 607 00:41:17,842 --> 00:41:19,798 I was telling the truth. I... 608 00:41:19,882 --> 00:41:22,635 I swear I didn´t even come here till 18 months ago. 609 00:41:27,122 --> 00:41:29,078 Edward contacted me. 610 00:41:31,602 --> 00:41:33,832 He even tried to renew our relationship. 611 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:39,118 Are you sure? 612 00:41:39,202 --> 00:41:43,798 I mean, these young boys, they´re always making up stories. I remember Jason... 613 00:41:43,882 --> 00:41:46,840 Do you recall a doctor? Did a doctor examine Jason Baldwin? 614 00:41:48,282 --> 00:41:50,238 Yes, of course he was examined. 615 00:41:51,882 --> 00:41:53,838 Do you remember a police officer? 616 00:41:53,922 --> 00:41:56,994 One who was close with Edward Parker-Jones? 617 00:41:59,283 --> 00:42:01,353 You mean John Kennington. 618 00:42:03,323 --> 00:42:05,632 Yes, yeah, it could be John Kennington. 619 00:42:06,443 --> 00:42:10,959 Do you remember if he was plain clothes or in uniform? What rank was he? 620 00:42:12,563 --> 00:42:14,315 Um... 621 00:42:15,443 --> 00:42:17,593 I think he was a superintendent. 622 00:42:17,683 --> 00:42:19,514 I never saw him in uniform. 623 00:42:20,403 --> 00:42:24,476 Do you know if this John Kennington is still in touch with Edward Parker-Jones? 624 00:42:24,563 --> 00:42:26,872 Er, yes, I think so. 625 00:42:32,843 --> 00:42:38,281 If there anyone in this building who knows where Detective Chief Inspector Tennison is? 626 00:42:38,363 --> 00:42:41,673 On her way back from Cardiff. Expecting her any moment now, boss. 627 00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:47,916 And you two, as far as I am concerned, behaved in an utterly farcical manner. 628 00:42:48,003 --> 00:42:50,801 One which would, if ever it were made public, 629 00:42:50,883 --> 00:42:54,114 put not only myself but this entire department in jeopardy. 630 00:42:54,203 --> 00:42:55,955 In your office. 631 00:42:56,683 --> 00:42:59,516 Just tell me, in God´s name, what possessed you to do it? 632 00:42:59,603 --> 00:43:02,356 We brought Jackson in, sir. 633 00:43:02,443 --> 00:43:03,922 Sorry. I´ll be right with you. 634 00:43:04,003 --> 00:43:05,959 DS Haskons, DC Lillie. 635 00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:10,194 You will return to Southampton Row as from tomorrow evening. 636 00:43:10,283 --> 00:43:12,843 DI Ray Hebdon will leave... today. 637 00:43:14,723 --> 00:43:16,203 Hey! 638 00:43:17,964 --> 00:43:19,477 Get that crap down. 639 00:43:24,924 --> 00:43:26,835 Naughty boys. 640 00:43:47,724 --> 00:43:51,876 Well, this must be worth a bundle. Kennington didn´t buy this in his wages. 641 00:43:51,964 --> 00:43:53,920 Happens to be my wife´s. 642 00:43:54,004 --> 00:43:56,472 Oh! I´m sorry, sir. 643 00:43:57,244 --> 00:43:59,883 I´m Detective Chief Inspector Jane Tennison. 644 00:43:59,964 --> 00:44:02,922 This is Detective Inspector Dalton, that´s Brian Dalton. 645 00:44:04,084 --> 00:44:06,040 So what seems to be the problem? 646 00:44:06,124 --> 00:44:09,560 We´re making inquiries into the death of a young boy. Colin Jenkins. 647 00:44:09,644 --> 00:44:11,600 Did you know him, sir? 648 00:44:14,164 --> 00:44:16,120 Do you know a James Jackson? 649 00:44:16,844 --> 00:44:17,913 No. 650 00:44:18,004 --> 00:44:20,199 - Anthony Field? - No. 651 00:44:20,284 --> 00:44:22,240 Jason Baldwin? 652 00:44:22,324 --> 00:44:23,803 No. 653 00:44:23,884 --> 00:44:26,842 What er... what are you doing here, Chief Inspector? 654 00:44:27,764 --> 00:44:29,720 Do you know Edward Parker-Jones? 655 00:44:31,724 --> 00:44:33,477 Uh... 656 00:44:34,485 --> 00:44:36,441 No, I can´t say that I do. 657 00:44:38,245 --> 00:44:40,547 You were at one time stationed in Manchester, 658 00:44:40,548 --> 00:44:42,872 I believe. And before that you were in Cardiff. 659 00:44:42,965 --> 00:44:44,883 - Is that correct? - Yeah. 660 00:44:44,965 --> 00:44:48,799 Did you at any time come across a social worker called Margaret Speel? 661 00:44:50,525 --> 00:44:52,720 No, I´m sorry, I don´t recall the name. 662 00:44:56,005 --> 00:44:59,793 Just before your recent resignation, sir, you were about to instigate charges. 663 00:44:59,885 --> 00:45:01,637 Could you tell me what they were? 664 00:45:01,725 --> 00:45:04,876 What exactly is this inquiry about, Chief Inspector? 665 00:45:04,965 --> 00:45:07,035 Please just answer the question, sir. 666 00:45:07,765 --> 00:45:10,325 I have no inclination to answer anything else. 667 00:45:11,205 --> 00:45:13,196 And I´d appreciate it if you would leave. 668 00:45:13,285 --> 00:45:17,642 Maybe you would recollect Colin Jenkins. Sometimes he was called Connie. 669 00:45:17,725 --> 00:45:20,319 He would have been about 15 years old when you knew him. 670 00:45:21,045 --> 00:45:23,718 He was about my height. He had red hair. 671 00:45:23,805 --> 00:45:25,761 He was a practising homosexual. 672 00:45:26,485 --> 00:45:28,441 Will you both leave - now? 673 00:45:30,405 --> 00:45:34,000 It´s just that I notice that you have pictures of young boys here. 674 00:45:34,085 --> 00:45:35,723 Those are my sons. 675 00:45:35,805 --> 00:45:39,434 - Will you please leave my house? - Was Colin Jenkins blackmailing you? 676 00:45:39,525 --> 00:45:43,313 Edward Parker-Jones putting pressure on you? Which of them was blackmailing you? 677 00:45:43,405 --> 00:45:47,034 Were you aware that Colin Jenkins was selling his story to the papers? 678 00:45:47,125 --> 00:45:50,323 - I´m sorry. John? - Mrs Kennington. 679 00:45:50,406 --> 00:45:52,397 I am... Please. 680 00:45:52,486 --> 00:45:55,398 Mrs Kennington, your husband was answering some questions. 681 00:45:55,486 --> 00:46:00,435 I´m investigating the death of a young boy, just 17 years old. He was a rent boy. 682 00:46:00,526 --> 00:46:03,199 His name was Colin Jenkins. Maybe you read about it. 683 00:46:31,566 --> 00:46:33,238 Hey, Mike. 684 00:46:34,086 --> 00:46:36,077 Do you fancy a drink? 685 00:46:36,166 --> 00:46:37,922 Sorry, I´m late as it is. 686 00:46:39,021 --> 00:46:40,488 - Nothing wrong, is there? - No, no. 687 00:46:40,489 --> 00:46:42,069 I just wanted to have a word with you. 688 00:46:45,566 --> 00:46:48,717 Um... what do you know about John Kennington? 689 00:46:49,486 --> 00:46:51,795 Well, he just got his golden handshake. Why? 690 00:46:51,886 --> 00:46:53,478 Is he a homosexual? 691 00:46:54,025 --> 00:46:55,318 I don´t know. 692 00:46:55,406 --> 00:46:57,124 Why do you ask? 693 00:46:57,206 --> 00:47:00,039 I think he might be involved in this murder case that I´m on. 694 00:47:00,126 --> 00:47:03,721 - Murder? I thought you were on Vice? - It´s the murder of a rent boy. 695 00:47:04,926 --> 00:47:07,282 Er, sorry, Jane, there´s nothing I can tell you. 696 00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:09,323 Mike, Mike. God, they´re just... 697 00:47:10,167 --> 00:47:13,443 They´re young kids. 12, 13 years old. 698 00:47:13,527 --> 00:47:16,485 They´re the same age as your kids, for Christ´s sake. 699 00:47:17,247 --> 00:47:19,807 - Do I have to spell it out for you? - Yes, you do. 700 00:47:21,007 --> 00:47:24,966 If you start digging the dirt on John Kennington, it´ll be a waste of time. 701 00:47:25,047 --> 00:47:29,086 He may no longer be a big fish but he sure as hell has got lots of friends who are. 702 00:47:29,167 --> 00:47:32,398 The whisper´ll get out, he´ll drop the word and you won´t get near them. 703 00:47:32,487 --> 00:47:36,036 And you won´t help the kids. And the punters will still be there. 704 00:47:36,127 --> 00:47:39,961 They´ll all still be there out on the street. Back off this one, Jane. 705 00:47:40,047 --> 00:47:42,003 Kennington´s out of the force. 706 00:47:42,087 --> 00:47:46,524 Ignore it. That is the best... the only advice I can give you. 707 00:47:48,407 --> 00:47:50,363 Well, thank you for your advice. 708 00:47:51,087 --> 00:47:53,043 Oh, incidentally... Er... Mike? 709 00:47:53,127 --> 00:47:57,598 You know there´s that superintendency up for grabs - AMIT. 710 00:47:57,687 --> 00:47:59,837 Do you happen to know which area that is? 711 00:48:02,847 --> 00:48:04,758 You´re going to become a player, are you? 712 00:48:06,167 --> 00:48:07,725 - Good night. - Night. 713 00:48:15,207 --> 00:48:17,163 Can I just say something? Um... 714 00:48:18,007 --> 00:48:19,963 Well, apologise, really. 715 00:48:21,087 --> 00:48:24,239 I just wanted you to know I didn´t really have much say in the matter 716 00:48:24,328 --> 00:48:26,284 and er... 717 00:48:30,168 --> 00:48:32,124 Um... I´m sorry. And... 718 00:48:33,728 --> 00:48:35,684 I- I don´t know where I am. 719 00:48:37,408 --> 00:48:39,444 I´m in some kind of limbo. 720 00:48:40,688 --> 00:48:42,644 I can´t sleep! 721 00:48:44,368 --> 00:48:46,324 My... My girlfriend... 722 00:48:48,768 --> 00:48:50,724 I haven´t told her. 723 00:48:52,488 --> 00:48:54,444 I´m too scared to have sex with her. 724 00:48:55,568 --> 00:48:57,365 It´s just... 725 00:48:57,448 --> 00:49:00,406 This whole thing, kind of, you know, hanging over us. 726 00:49:00,488 --> 00:49:02,524 Listen, anyone would feel like that. 727 00:49:04,648 --> 00:49:06,366 What if I´ve got Aids? 728 00:49:08,648 --> 00:49:10,604 I´m sorry. Sorry. 729 00:49:11,608 --> 00:49:13,564 Shit. Sorry. Sorry. 730 00:49:15,688 --> 00:49:17,644 Hey. 731 00:49:20,848 --> 00:49:22,645 It´s all right. 732 00:49:22,728 --> 00:49:25,606 - Listen, I think you should talk to someone. - Yeah. 733 00:49:26,328 --> 00:49:28,922 - I mean, someone who understands. - Yeah. 734 00:49:29,008 --> 00:49:31,363 - You should go with your girlfriend. - OK. 735 00:49:31,448 --> 00:49:35,919 I´ve got some contact numbers. I´ll give you the numbers as soon as possible, OK? 736 00:49:36,008 --> 00:49:38,158 Yeah. Thank you. 737 00:49:39,208 --> 00:49:41,165 Thanks a lot. 738 00:49:53,609 --> 00:49:55,565 I´ve got Parker-Jones in Room Two. 739 00:49:57,489 --> 00:49:59,207 What? 740 00:49:59,929 --> 00:50:01,885 He´s here? 741 00:50:03,769 --> 00:50:05,805 - Whose bloody idea was that? - Mine. 742 00:50:07,089 --> 00:50:11,048 We found some kids that recognised the property where we picked up Jackson. 743 00:50:11,129 --> 00:50:13,518 - It´s owned by Parker-Jones. - What? 744 00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:18,160 Jackson´s been living in a house owned by Parker-Jones. It´s all there. Full report. 745 00:50:18,249 --> 00:50:20,638 - Who´s interviewing him? - Haskons and Lillie. 746 00:50:20,729 --> 00:50:22,892 - Oh, shit. - As you weren´t here... 747 00:50:22,893 --> 00:50:24,565 we couldn´t contact you. 748 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,199 I´ve just been trying to close the case. 749 00:50:26,289 --> 00:50:29,804 No. I know what you´re doing, Bill. And you´re just not good enough. 750 00:50:29,889 --> 00:50:33,040 I did not want Parker-Jones brought in yet. 751 00:50:33,129 --> 00:50:36,007 - Have you got a reason? - Yeah. I´m not ready for him. 752 00:50:44,969 --> 00:50:46,925 Why exactly have I been brought in? 753 00:50:47,009 --> 00:50:51,082 Why wasn´t all this asked before? I´ve been perfectly willing to co-operate. 754 00:50:54,889 --> 00:50:56,403 Detective Chief Inspector. 755 00:50:56,490 --> 00:51:00,847 The time is 18:30 and DCI Tennison has just entered the interview room. 756 00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:05,843 Mr Parker-Jones, could you tell me about your relationship with Margaret Speel? 757 00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,007 She is my fiancée. 758 00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:20,284 Did you, in 1979, run the Harrow Home For Boys in Manchester? 759 00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:22,529 - Yes. - And, in 1986... 760 00:51:22,564 --> 00:51:25,409 - ...the Calloway Centre in Cardiff? - Yes. 761 00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:27,720 Do you know Anthony Field? 762 00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:30,606 Yes. 763 00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:34,160 - Jason Baldwin? - Yes. They were both in my care. 764 00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:37,446 Do you know a John Kennington? 765 00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:41,204 Yes. Not well, but I have met him. 766 00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:45,801 Will you tell me about one of your employees - James Jackson? 767 00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:48,724 I wouldn´t call it employed, exactly. 768 00:51:48,725 --> 00:51:51,664 He does, on the odd occasión, do some repairs for me. 769 00:51:51,699 --> 00:51:53,766 Caretaking, that sort of thing. 770 00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:55,647 How well do you know Mr Jackson? 771 00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:59,962 I´ve already told you, I don´t know him on a personal or social level. 772 00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:03,122 He simply does the occasional odd job for me, that´s all. 773 00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:06,168 But he lives in one of your properties, Mr Parker-Jones. 774 00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:08,206 Yes. I have admitted this. 775 00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:13,800 I pay Jackson a nominal amount and, in return, he repairs the property. 776 00:52:14,851 --> 00:52:18,366 I have no reason to know what he does in his personal life. 777 00:52:19,131 --> 00:52:22,567 I´m not even sure if he lives on the property in a permanent basis, 778 00:52:22,651 --> 00:52:26,564 as he told me he has an elderly mother he takes care of and spends a lot of time with. 779 00:52:26,651 --> 00:52:28,960 How many names are you known under? 780 00:52:32,811 --> 00:52:38,443 I have two houses in the name of Edwards and one in the name of Jones. 781 00:52:38,531 --> 00:52:40,601 I have, on occasión, used both of them. 782 00:52:40,691 --> 00:52:44,366 And why do you use different names on the deeds of your properties? 783 00:52:45,091 --> 00:52:47,969 I just do. There´s no law against it. 784 00:52:59,371 --> 00:53:02,408 Would you like to tell me about the two sexual assault charges - 785 00:53:02,491 --> 00:53:04,527 one in Manchester and one in Cardiff? 786 00:53:05,331 --> 00:53:06,689 Not really. 787 00:53:06,771 --> 00:53:09,862 In both incidents all the charges were dropped. 788 00:53:09,863 --> 00:53:11,463 I see no reason to discuss them now. 789 00:53:11,531 --> 00:53:15,888 Did John Kennington assist or advise you in any way concerning these charges? 790 00:53:18,291 --> 00:53:19,770 I don´t recall. 791 00:53:19,851 --> 00:53:24,322 Have you ever attempted to get monies from John Kennington? Extortion. Blackmail. 792 00:53:24,411 --> 00:53:27,403 - Did you ever attempt to get monies? - No. That´s ridiculous. 793 00:53:27,491 --> 00:53:30,211 Are you aware that John Kennington was bringing charges... 794 00:53:30,292 --> 00:53:33,489 I would certainly not attempt to extort monies... 795 00:53:33,572 --> 00:53:36,325 from someone who has freely donated to my centre. 796 00:53:36,412 --> 00:53:39,290 I have presented a detailed list, as requested, 797 00:53:39,372 --> 00:53:42,091 of all those who give charitable donations to the centre. 798 00:53:42,172 --> 00:53:44,811 I presume this information was passed on to you. 799 00:53:50,492 --> 00:53:53,928 Did you call the emergency services on the night of the 17th? 800 00:53:54,012 --> 00:53:55,923 - I´m sorry? - An ambulance. 801 00:53:56,012 --> 00:53:59,049 Did you call an ambulance on the night of the 17th? 802 00:53:59,132 --> 00:54:00,724 No. 803 00:54:03,212 --> 00:54:06,488 Would you please state where you were on the night of the 17th 804 00:54:06,572 --> 00:54:09,086 between the hours of 8:15 and 9:30? 805 00:54:09,172 --> 00:54:12,960 I have already told you. I never left the Advice Centre. 806 00:54:13,692 --> 00:54:15,648 This is really becoming ludicrous. 807 00:54:15,732 --> 00:54:17,450 Is it? 808 00:54:18,572 --> 00:54:22,360 Are you aware that it is illegal to display false credentials? 809 00:54:24,132 --> 00:54:27,329 So would you tell me the names of all the witnesses 810 00:54:27,412 --> 00:54:32,770 that you say saw you at the Advice Centre for the duration of the evening of the 17th? 811 00:54:34,092 --> 00:54:37,289 Billy Matthews, David Driscoll, 812 00:54:37,372 --> 00:54:40,648 Alan Thorpe, Kenny Lloyd and... 813 00:54:40,732 --> 00:54:42,688 James Jackson. 814 00:54:45,052 --> 00:54:48,204 I think I deserve a bottle of champagne because... 815 00:54:48,293 --> 00:54:50,443 Billy Matthews´ alibi is now withdrawn. 816 00:54:50,533 --> 00:54:53,206 Billy was not at the Advice Centre or anywhere near. 817 00:54:53,293 --> 00:54:55,124 He was, in fact, in hospital, 818 00:54:55,213 --> 00:54:58,808 taken there by ambulance on the night of the 17th - and this is the best bit - 819 00:54:58,893 --> 00:55:01,361 - from the Advice Centre. - Coffees, please, love. 820 00:55:01,453 --> 00:55:04,251 - Fletcher´s dead. - Disco Driscoll, alibi withdrawn. 821 00:55:04,333 --> 00:55:06,324 Kenny Lloyd, alibi withdrawn. 822 00:55:06,413 --> 00:55:09,689 Just Jackson giving Parker-Jones an alibi and vice versa. 823 00:55:09,773 --> 00:55:12,810 The only other person is Alan Thorpe, but he was drunk. 824 00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:16,781 - OK, now, where´s Jackson? - With Larry the Lamb. Room Three. 825 00:55:18,193 --> 00:55:20,492 That´s a bottle of Moêt for Kathy. 826 00:55:20,493 --> 00:55:22,827 And you two are paying because of this fiasco. 827 00:55:22,862 --> 00:55:24,313 Oh, yes! 828 00:55:24,853 --> 00:55:26,809 Oh, bloody hell. 829 00:55:26,893 --> 00:55:28,565 Who put those up? 830 00:55:28,653 --> 00:55:30,689 What did Connie owe you the money for? 831 00:55:31,773 --> 00:55:35,049 He needed some photographs. He needed to get some new gear. 832 00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:37,656 Well, that´s what he told me, so I lent him the dough. 833 00:55:37,753 --> 00:55:39,039 How much? 834 00:55:39,528 --> 00:55:42,140 7:36, DCI Tennison´s just entered the interview room. 835 00:55:42,213 --> 00:55:45,728 200 quid. Then he disappears, so I go out looking for him. 836 00:55:45,813 --> 00:55:48,168 Did you go to Vernon´s flat looking for him? 837 00:55:49,613 --> 00:55:52,844 Yeah, but in the afternoon. I spoke to Vera, she was there. 838 00:55:53,893 --> 00:55:55,849 And she told you what? 839 00:55:56,373 --> 00:56:00,327 That Connie wasn´t there. I´ve told you all this. I´ve said all this. 840 00:56:01,573 --> 00:56:04,930 Did Edward Parker-Jones ask you to say that you were at the Advice Centre? 841 00:56:05,014 --> 00:56:06,891 No. 842 00:56:08,014 --> 00:56:10,050 Why don´t you tell me about the money? 843 00:56:10,774 --> 00:56:13,004 - Did you often lend Connie money? - No. 844 00:56:13,094 --> 00:56:16,848 He usually had enough. He was always pretty flush. Sometimes I borrowed from him. 845 00:56:16,934 --> 00:56:19,129 So when exactly did you give him this 200 quid? 846 00:56:20,934 --> 00:56:23,812 - I don´t remember, I´m sorry. - Can´t remember. 847 00:56:24,854 --> 00:56:27,414 Er, was Connie living in a house in Camden Town? 848 00:56:27,494 --> 00:56:32,045 Sometimes left his gear there but he´d not actually lived... lived there for months. 849 00:56:32,134 --> 00:56:35,410 Do you know where he was living for the past couple of months? 850 00:56:36,134 --> 00:56:38,090 No. I don´t know where he was living. 851 00:56:38,174 --> 00:56:40,085 Where did you give him the money, then? 852 00:56:42,334 --> 00:56:44,564 - Oh, yeah, at the Advice Centre. - No, no. 853 00:56:44,654 --> 00:56:48,249 Edward Parker-Jones said he hadn´t seen him at the Advice Centre for months. 854 00:56:48,334 --> 00:56:51,804 I don´t remember where I gave it to him. I´m sorry. Really. 855 00:56:52,774 --> 00:56:54,730 Just don´t remember. 856 00:56:55,614 --> 00:56:58,811 So, how well do you know Edward Parker-Jones? 857 00:56:58,894 --> 00:57:02,330 I work for him. He pays me a few quid to look after his property. 858 00:57:02,414 --> 00:57:05,690 Did you ever try and extort money out of a man called John Kennington? 859 00:57:06,694 --> 00:57:11,085 Extortion. Know what that means? Blackmail. Did you ever blackmail John Kennington? 860 00:57:11,174 --> 00:57:13,404 No. I don´t know him. 861 00:57:13,494 --> 00:57:18,124 So, on the night that Connie died, did you discuss anything with Edward Parker-Jones? 862 00:57:18,214 --> 00:57:19,932 Yeah. 863 00:57:21,415 --> 00:57:23,371 The price of toilet paper. 864 00:57:24,095 --> 00:57:26,051 I get it in bulk for him. 865 00:57:27,735 --> 00:57:31,694 And after Connie died, did you discuss anything with Edward Parker-Jones, 866 00:57:31,775 --> 00:57:33,811 apart from the price of toilet paper? 867 00:57:33,895 --> 00:57:36,455 - Like what? - Well, look... 868 00:57:37,455 --> 00:57:39,969 You stated that... What have we got here? 869 00:57:40,055 --> 00:57:43,764 David Driscoll, Billy Matthews, Alan Thorpe and Kenny Lloyd 870 00:57:43,855 --> 00:57:47,928 all saw you at the Advice Centre the night that Colin died. Is that correct? 871 00:57:48,015 --> 00:57:51,212 - Yeah, that´s right. - The same names as listed by Parker-Jones. 872 00:57:51,295 --> 00:57:55,174 I´m asking you again. Did you or did you not discuss it with Mr Parker-Jones? 873 00:57:55,255 --> 00:57:59,134 Well, no. There was no reason to. They were there and so was he. 874 00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:03,131 So he´s boud to say the same lads as I say because I was there. 875 00:58:03,855 --> 00:58:05,447 See? 876 00:58:07,415 --> 00:58:10,487 You´ll be charged with the attempted murder of a police officer. 877 00:58:11,615 --> 00:58:15,085 You also refused another officer entry to the house in Camden Town 878 00:58:15,175 --> 00:58:17,928 and physically attacked another police officer. 879 00:58:18,655 --> 00:58:21,249 You were holding a 14-year-old girl against her will. 880 00:58:21,335 --> 00:58:23,530 Do you want any more, Jimmy? We´ve got more. 881 00:58:23,615 --> 00:58:25,845 I didn´t know they were coppers, I swear. 882 00:58:25,935 --> 00:58:28,085 I mean, they just barged into the house. 883 00:58:28,815 --> 00:58:33,445 And that girl is not gonna press charges cos she begged me to give her a place to stay. 884 00:58:33,535 --> 00:58:35,491 I didn´t know she was 14. 885 00:58:35,575 --> 00:58:39,694 And that other thing, I thought that was Red. That thick old drag queen. 886 00:58:39,776 --> 00:58:43,212 I didn´t know that was a copper. It´s just mistaken identity. 887 00:58:43,296 --> 00:58:46,368 - Why did you want to kill her? - I didn´t want to kill her. 888 00:58:46,456 --> 00:58:48,731 No way. I just wanted to frighten her a bit. 889 00:58:48,816 --> 00:58:50,568 Why? 890 00:58:51,536 --> 00:58:53,707 Well, Vera told me she´d been talking to the cops... 891 00:58:53,708 --> 00:58:56,259 and all I wanted to do was frighten her off. 892 00:58:56,616 --> 00:58:59,176 Why? Why did you want to frighten Rodney Allerton? 893 00:58:59,256 --> 00:59:01,212 That´s Red. 894 00:59:01,296 --> 00:59:03,252 Because I did. 895 00:59:03,976 --> 00:59:07,525 I´m sorry, I´m really sorry. It was all a mistake. 896 00:59:08,736 --> 00:59:11,011 Oh, James, you must have had a reason. 897 00:59:11,096 --> 00:59:12,688 No. 898 00:59:13,416 --> 00:59:17,295 No, I didn´t have a reason. That´s the God´s honest truth. 899 00:59:18,696 --> 00:59:21,449 Well, you are going to go to prison for a very long time. 900 00:59:21,536 --> 00:59:23,492 For no reason at all. 901 00:59:24,976 --> 00:59:27,092 My client´s very tired. 902 00:59:27,176 --> 00:59:30,725 Perhaps we can continue this interview in the morning. 903 00:59:30,816 --> 00:59:32,772 Look forward to it. 904 00:59:43,216 --> 00:59:45,172 After you. 905 00:59:45,256 --> 00:59:47,171 He must have had letters, diaries. 906 00:59:47,172 --> 00:59:49,779 He was selling his story to that woman. What was her name? 907 00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:52,292 Jessica Smithy. 908 00:59:52,376 --> 00:59:56,655 I mean, what if Jessica Smithy spoke to Martin Fletcher before Connie? 909 00:59:56,737 --> 01:00:00,491 She was writing a piece about rent boys plural, not just one rent boy. 910 01:00:00,577 --> 01:00:02,533 What have we got here? 911 01:00:05,537 --> 01:00:09,212 Yeah. Nice little... awayday assortment. 912 01:00:14,177 --> 01:00:15,974 Look at this. 913 01:00:16,697 --> 01:00:18,276 I want Forensic in here. 914 01:00:18,277 --> 01:00:21,097 I want the whole house checked out and I want it done tonight. 915 01:00:22,937 --> 01:00:26,491 I think we should have another go at our Vera. She has been staying there. 916 01:00:26,577 --> 01:00:28,613 I´ll wait for Forensic, might be a while. 917 01:00:28,697 --> 01:00:31,257 This is my case, Bill. Don´t jump the gun again. 918 01:00:33,817 --> 01:00:35,773 Your case. Yes, ma´am. 919 01:00:37,617 --> 01:00:41,246 Right. I´ve got a couple of bits and pieces on Edward Parker-Jones. 920 01:00:41,337 --> 01:00:44,886 He owns a number of bed and breakfasts/houses. 921 01:00:44,977 --> 01:00:48,174 All registered under the company name of Protega. 922 01:00:48,257 --> 01:00:51,567 - Can you spell that, please? - P-R-O-T-E-G-A. 923 01:00:51,657 --> 01:00:55,366 He´s a registered charity. He´s got a staff of four. 924 01:00:55,457 --> 01:00:57,015 - All paid? - All paid. 925 01:00:57,097 --> 01:00:58,894 Glad to see you´re still with us. 926 01:00:58,977 --> 01:01:01,855 DCI Tenison please contact reception 927 01:01:01,937 --> 01:01:03,893 He receives loads of grants. 928 01:01:03,977 --> 01:01:07,811 He gets one from Camden at 160,000. 929 01:01:07,897 --> 01:01:12,335 The doctor attached to the Calloway Centre in Cardiff - his widow, Joyce Ellis. 930 01:01:12,498 --> 01:01:14,614 She´s 52, has two sons. 931 01:01:15,378 --> 01:01:17,733 In 1987, was married to John Kennington. 932 01:01:18,498 --> 01:01:22,537 As well as that he gets £110 per person from local authorities. 933 01:01:23,938 --> 01:01:25,769 Decided to change sides, have you? 934 01:01:25,858 --> 01:01:28,531 Could DCI Tenison return to her office? 935 01:01:28,618 --> 01:01:30,848 Thank you very much. 936 01:01:39,418 --> 01:01:42,569 You have not one shred of evidence against Parker-Jones 937 01:01:42,658 --> 01:01:44,888 or his involvement in the death of Col... 938 01:01:44,978 --> 01:01:48,448 Colin Jenkins. No, I haven´t got him to admit his involvement. 939 01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:50,972 But I know that he´s covering up for Jackson. 940 01:01:52,018 --> 01:01:54,896 And very possibly for John Kennington as well. 941 01:01:57,018 --> 01:01:58,371 Drop it. 942 01:01:58,458 --> 01:02:00,414 Are you serious? 943 01:02:00,498 --> 01:02:04,616 In 1979 and again in 1986, both Edward Parker-Jones and John Kennington... 944 01:02:04,698 --> 01:02:07,166 I´m fully aware of the cases you´re referring to. 945 01:02:07,258 --> 01:02:10,853 You should have made whatever information you had available to me. I´ve wasted... 946 01:02:10,938 --> 01:02:14,089 Waste being the operative word, Chief Inspector. 947 01:02:14,178 --> 01:02:17,568 - You´re supposed to be investigating... - The murder of Colin Jenkins. 948 01:02:17,658 --> 01:02:20,695 If I discover evidence that proves that Edward Parker-Jones... 949 01:02:20,778 --> 01:02:25,056 - That is not the Colin Jenkins case. ...is unfit to be awarded massive grants 950 01:02:25,138 --> 01:02:26,856 and is a possible paedophile. 951 01:02:28,619 --> 01:02:30,575 Is this true? 952 01:02:32,059 --> 01:02:35,176 Chief Inspector Tennison, you give me no option but to warn you 953 01:02:35,259 --> 01:02:38,137 that if you continue to investigation persons... 954 01:02:38,219 --> 01:02:42,849 No, just one person. Edward Parker-Jones. ...against specific instructions, 955 01:02:42,939 --> 01:02:45,089 then disciplinary action will be taken. 956 01:02:45,179 --> 01:02:49,138 You take it, sir, and I will fight you every inch of the way. 957 01:02:49,219 --> 01:02:53,098 I have been fobbed off with "stay clear of this or that persons" because of, 958 01:02:53,179 --> 01:02:55,693 and I quote, "repercussions to this department". 959 01:02:55,779 --> 01:03:00,095 Well, this department has blatantly attempted to sabotage my investigations into a murder.. 960 01:03:00,179 --> 01:03:04,477 which has direct links to a paedophile ring, one member of which, John Kennington, 961 01:03:04,479 --> 01:03:07,777 was the subject of a full-scale internal police inquiry. 962 01:03:07,859 --> 01:03:11,295 - Kennington was reinstated. - Six months later he was being blackmailed. 963 01:03:11,379 --> 01:03:12,938 Uh! Case dismissed. 964 01:03:12,939 --> 01:03:15,339 What happen? You all get cold feet? Retire him? Pay him off? 965 01:03:15,439 --> 01:03:17,317 And somewhere in the mess a young boy dies. 966 01:03:17,318 --> 01:03:18,977 Just calm down. 967 01:03:21,619 --> 01:03:23,735 Look at it from our side. 968 01:03:23,819 --> 01:03:26,811 - The investigation into John Kennington... - Was a failure. 969 01:03:26,899 --> 01:03:29,049 And to the tune of £1 ½m. 970 01:03:29,139 --> 01:03:31,095 Next - Operation Contract. 971 01:03:31,179 --> 01:03:34,296 Bloody fiasco that was. How much did that set the government back? 972 01:03:34,379 --> 01:03:38,167 I mean, you knew there was a leak. Well, was it John Kennington? 973 01:03:38,259 --> 01:03:40,534 Be very careful what you´re insinuating. 974 01:03:40,619 --> 01:03:43,770 Look, I just want to find the murderer of Colin Jenkins. 975 01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:48,698 If that touches on Edward Parker-Jones or anyone else, then so be it. 976 01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:51,690 I take full responsibility You can lay it all on my shoulders. 977 01:03:51,691 --> 01:03:53,891 But I will not be a scapegoat. 978 01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:57,774 If you take me off this case now, I´m warning you, I won´t go quietly. 979 01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:01,693 Don´t make threats, Detective Chief Inspector. 980 01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,619 I want to be put forward for superintendent. 981 01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:16,569 Now, I fully expect to make an arrest in the Colin Jenkins murder this weekend. 982 01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:18,730 And, therefore, with the case closed, 983 01:04:18,820 --> 01:04:23,655 there will be no further necessities for any investigations into John Kennington. 984 01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:33,576 Did James Jackson kill Connie? 985 01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:38,536 Vera, he can´t hurt you. 986 01:04:38,620 --> 01:04:41,088 He´s gonna be behind bars for a very long time. 987 01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:44,136 Come on, you can tell me. 988 01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,818 I don´t know. 989 01:04:49,340 --> 01:04:51,296 Do you know a John Kennington? 990 01:04:55,060 --> 01:04:56,573 Vera. 991 01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:59,491 Vera, look at me. 992 01:04:59,580 --> 01:05:01,537 You´ve got to help me. 993 01:05:02,861 --> 01:05:06,251 Jackson was looking for Connie that night. He said he owed him money. 994 01:05:06,341 --> 01:05:10,698 Connie didn´t need to borrow money from Jackson. He always used to have money. 995 01:05:10,781 --> 01:05:15,571 - Did you know any of his clients? - No. He was very secretive about them. 996 01:05:15,661 --> 01:05:19,336 You give one kid a name, next minute they´re offering themselves. 997 01:05:22,461 --> 01:05:24,417 You think he was just gay, don´t you? 998 01:05:28,181 --> 01:05:30,137 Why do you think we got on so well? 999 01:05:30,221 --> 01:05:32,177 I don´t know. 1000 01:05:32,261 --> 01:05:34,217 Why don´t you tell me? 1001 01:05:35,821 --> 01:05:37,777 He was the same as me. 1002 01:05:38,621 --> 01:05:40,771 He´d go with gays... 1003 01:05:40,861 --> 01:05:42,817 but he liked straight men better. 1004 01:05:42,901 --> 01:05:44,698 He wanted money. 1005 01:05:44,781 --> 01:05:46,578 He needed a lot. 1006 01:05:46,661 --> 01:05:48,617 For the operation. 1007 01:05:49,341 --> 01:05:51,297 They do the best in Rio. 1008 01:05:51,381 --> 01:05:53,337 He would have had to have paid for it. 1009 01:05:53,421 --> 01:05:57,255 There´s no way the NHS would give him the operation. He was too young. 1010 01:05:58,221 --> 01:06:00,177 It´s always been my dream. 1011 01:06:02,421 --> 01:06:06,334 So Connie needed a lot of money. Say, what, 10-15,000 quid? 1012 01:06:07,581 --> 01:06:09,537 Where was he gonna get that from? 1013 01:06:09,621 --> 01:06:11,259 Connie was capable of anything. 1014 01:06:14,061 --> 01:06:16,017 Like blackmail? 1015 01:06:17,581 --> 01:06:18,901 Yes. 1016 01:06:19,622 --> 01:06:21,578 I think he got scared off. 1017 01:06:22,782 --> 01:06:24,738 He was getting a bit desperate. 1018 01:06:25,462 --> 01:06:27,612 He´d lost a lot of his big money clients. 1019 01:06:28,342 --> 01:06:30,298 He was too old for them. 1020 01:06:30,382 --> 01:06:33,180 Kept knocking a few years off his age, but they knew. 1021 01:06:34,742 --> 01:06:36,698 Do you know Jessica Smithy? 1022 01:06:42,422 --> 01:06:45,698 So you know that Connie was selling his story to the papers? 1023 01:06:47,542 --> 01:06:51,581 But I think, you know, she kept stringing him along, promising big money. 1024 01:06:51,662 --> 01:06:53,618 He used to brag about it. 1025 01:06:54,622 --> 01:06:57,773 But she wanted evidence - you know, names, photographs. 1026 01:06:57,862 --> 01:06:59,500 Photographs! 1027 01:07:03,862 --> 01:07:05,818 Did James Jackson know about this? 1028 01:07:07,502 --> 01:07:09,458 Well, he found out. 1029 01:07:10,662 --> 01:07:14,052 Connie had a sort of a file, you know, to show this reporter. 1030 01:07:15,702 --> 01:07:17,579 He found out. 1031 01:07:18,302 --> 01:07:20,975 Martin Fletcher stole some things from Jackson. 1032 01:07:21,062 --> 01:07:23,781 - Oh. - And gave them to Connie. 1033 01:07:24,902 --> 01:07:28,053 - That´s why Jackson was looking for Connie. - Oh, right. 1034 01:07:29,022 --> 01:07:31,058 But not just to get these things back. 1035 01:07:32,102 --> 01:07:36,733 Because he knew that if Connie was selling his story to the papers, he´d be in it too. 1036 01:07:37,863 --> 01:07:40,775 Connie had been one his boys, you see, early on. 1037 01:07:40,863 --> 01:07:43,741 What, you mean it was Jackson who got Connie on the game? 1038 01:07:43,823 --> 01:07:45,415 - Yes. - Oh. 1039 01:07:45,503 --> 01:07:47,459 But he got him so young. 1040 01:07:47,543 --> 01:07:50,615 I mean, he was only ten years old when Jackson found him. 1041 01:07:50,703 --> 01:07:54,901 Did you see what Martin got from Jackson, the thing he eventually gave to Connie? 1042 01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:56,939 No, no, I never, I never saw it. 1043 01:07:57,023 --> 01:08:00,299 I mean, he told me. But it was... pictures. 1044 01:08:01,303 --> 01:08:03,658 Photographs. Maybe letters. I don´t know. 1045 01:08:03,743 --> 01:08:06,211 But I never saw what Martin nicked from Jackson. 1046 01:08:06,303 --> 01:08:10,455 But that´s why Martin got beaten up, because Jackson wanted the stuff back. 1047 01:08:10,543 --> 01:08:14,616 So, Connie had told you about this stuff that Martin had got from Jackson. 1048 01:08:15,503 --> 01:08:18,859 And he told you that he was gonna use it, sell it to the papers. 1049 01:08:18,943 --> 01:08:21,582 Did he tell you who he was going to blackmail with it? 1050 01:08:21,663 --> 01:08:24,382 No, no. But he was kind of excited, you know. 1051 01:08:24,463 --> 01:08:26,419 He was very pleased with himself. 1052 01:08:26,503 --> 01:08:30,542 Said he was going to get the money for his operation. He was very certain. 1053 01:08:36,543 --> 01:08:38,374 Thank you, Vera. 1054 01:08:40,103 --> 01:08:42,059 All right, you can go now. 1055 01:08:53,624 --> 01:08:56,696 - Hello, Margaret. How are you? - I intend to report you. 1056 01:08:57,464 --> 01:09:02,822 Get you blacklisted from every council and government-run scheme that you´ve abused. 1057 01:09:02,904 --> 01:09:04,860 - What do you mean? - I trusted you. 1058 01:09:06,064 --> 01:09:10,615 I may even have helped you, that´s what´s worst. Worse than the lies you´ve told me. 1059 01:09:10,704 --> 01:09:13,059 - Who´s been talking to you? - Don´t touch me. 1060 01:09:13,144 --> 01:09:17,262 - Come in and let´s just talk this through. - She knows everything about you. 1061 01:09:17,344 --> 01:09:20,575 And about John Kennington. Before I´ve finished, you´ll go to prison. 1062 01:09:20,664 --> 01:09:22,939 You don´t know what you´re talking about. 1063 01:09:23,024 --> 01:09:25,379 This is from that Inspector Tennison, yes? 1064 01:09:25,464 --> 01:09:27,420 You don´t understand, Margaret. 1065 01:09:27,504 --> 01:09:29,222 - Yes, I do. - Shut up! 1066 01:09:31,184 --> 01:09:33,778 Now just keep calm. Keep calm. Let me explain. 1067 01:09:33,864 --> 01:09:36,901 Get out of here. Don´t you touch him! Get off him! 1068 01:09:36,984 --> 01:09:39,179 Get out. This place is closed. Get out now! 1069 01:09:39,264 --> 01:09:41,141 You bastard! You bastard! 1070 01:09:41,224 --> 01:09:43,784 That´s yours. That´s your doing! 1071 01:09:43,864 --> 01:09:46,139 You! You bastard! 1072 01:09:46,984 --> 01:09:49,817 You bastard! That´s you! 1073 01:09:49,904 --> 01:09:51,781 Bastard. You bastard! 1074 01:09:51,864 --> 01:09:53,138 Get out! 1075 01:09:53,224 --> 01:09:56,500 Mrs Kennington? Edward Parker-Jones. Can I speak to John, please? 1076 01:09:57,344 --> 01:09:58,663 You bastard! 1077 01:09:58,744 --> 01:10:01,497 So you were told by Martin Fletcher where Connie was? 1078 01:10:01,584 --> 01:10:04,417 You then went to Vernon Reynolds´ flat, didn´t you? 1079 01:10:04,504 --> 01:10:05,983 I didn´t. 1080 01:10:06,064 --> 01:10:09,694 I´ve admitted I was looking for Connie, but I wasn´t the only one. 1081 01:10:09,785 --> 01:10:14,017 Oh, who else? Who else was looking for Connie the night that he was murdered? 1082 01:10:15,085 --> 01:10:16,180 Come on, Jimmy. 1083 01:10:16,181 --> 01:10:19,440 It´s just five, ten minutes´ walk from the Advice Centre and back. 1084 01:10:19,705 --> 01:10:22,663 I never killed him. I couldn´t have. 1085 01:10:26,785 --> 01:10:29,060 But you had to silence him, didn´t you, eh? 1086 01:10:29,785 --> 01:10:33,221 He´s was going to tell about the way you kidnap underage kids. 1087 01:10:33,305 --> 01:10:35,261 They were up at the top of the house. 1088 01:10:35,345 --> 01:10:38,974 We´ve seen them. The knives, the chains, the whips, you bastard. 1089 01:10:40,825 --> 01:10:42,656 So did you torture kids up there? 1090 01:10:44,065 --> 01:10:49,264 We have, to date, 15 different blood samples taken from the walls, bed linen, floorboards. 1091 01:10:49,345 --> 01:10:51,415 What were you doing to those children? 1092 01:10:53,745 --> 01:10:57,260 Mr Jackson, I really would try to be as co-operative as possible. 1093 01:10:57,345 --> 01:11:00,417 You know, these charges against you are very serious. 1094 01:11:01,145 --> 01:11:04,933 Look... I did go to the centre, right? 1095 01:11:05,745 --> 01:11:09,181 I told Parker-Jones I couldn´t find him... right? 1096 01:11:13,825 --> 01:11:17,215 Look... Martin Fletcher took my stuff from... 1097 01:11:17,305 --> 01:11:19,261 What stuff? 1098 01:11:19,345 --> 01:11:21,575 Stuff. Things. Photographs. 1099 01:11:22,305 --> 01:11:24,136 And I wanted them back, right? 1100 01:11:24,225 --> 01:11:26,660 - Were you in these photographs? - Some of them. 1101 01:11:27,386 --> 01:11:31,459 Connie nicked them. He got Martin to get them for him from Camden, right? Are you with me? 1102 01:11:31,546 --> 01:11:33,298 Who else was in the photographs? 1103 01:11:35,026 --> 01:11:37,221 - I can´t remember. - Can´t remember? 1104 01:11:37,306 --> 01:11:40,616 You almost killed a boy for them. You can´t remember? 1105 01:11:40,706 --> 01:11:43,266 Come on, who else was in the photographs? 1106 01:11:44,706 --> 01:11:47,379 Was Edward Parker-Jones in these photographs? 1107 01:11:48,746 --> 01:11:49,781 No. 1108 01:11:49,866 --> 01:11:52,903 How about John Kennington? Was he in the photographs? 1109 01:11:54,146 --> 01:11:56,102 Just kids. 1110 01:11:56,186 --> 01:11:58,620 Blokes dressed up, bit of porno, that´s all. 1111 01:12:00,746 --> 01:12:03,544 Anyway, it gets to about eight, a bit after, 1112 01:12:03,626 --> 01:12:05,981 and I tell Parker-Jones I can´t find Connie 1113 01:12:06,066 --> 01:12:08,785 and he says get Martin Fletcher, he´d know where he was. 1114 01:12:08,866 --> 01:12:11,983 So I did. Ask Martin Fletcher. He´ll tell you. 1115 01:12:13,346 --> 01:12:15,302 Martin Fletcher is dead, Jimmy. 1116 01:12:21,946 --> 01:12:25,541 So, Edward Parker-Jones was looking for these photographs. 1117 01:12:25,626 --> 01:12:28,902 Well, why? If he wasn´t in them, why was he looking for them? 1118 01:12:28,986 --> 01:12:30,942 I don´t know. 1119 01:12:31,026 --> 01:12:33,415 All I know is he wanted them. So did I. 1120 01:12:33,506 --> 01:12:35,701 Yeah, but you were in the photographs. 1121 01:12:35,786 --> 01:12:38,903 Are you sure that Edward Parker-Jones wasn´t in these photographs? 1122 01:12:38,986 --> 01:12:40,942 No. I don´t have any pictures of him. 1123 01:12:41,026 --> 01:12:42,983 Was John Kennington in the photographs? 1124 01:12:43,067 --> 01:12:45,627 No. I´ve told you before, I don´t even know that bloke. 1125 01:12:45,707 --> 01:12:49,302 They were just photographs of you and you wanted them so desperately 1126 01:12:49,387 --> 01:12:51,537 that you were prepared to kill for them. 1127 01:12:51,627 --> 01:12:57,179 Look... when that fire started, I was on the other side of Waterloo Bridge. 1128 01:12:57,267 --> 01:12:59,383 Who else was at the Advice Centre? 1129 01:12:59,467 --> 01:13:02,425 I was only there two minutes, no more. Then I come out. 1130 01:13:03,827 --> 01:13:05,897 Just two minutes? You sure about that? 1131 01:13:06,867 --> 01:13:10,746 Who else did you talk to apart from Edward Parker-Jones? Anyone else? 1132 01:13:10,827 --> 01:13:12,499 Yeah. 1133 01:13:12,587 --> 01:13:14,623 Vera Reynolds. 1134 01:13:15,387 --> 01:13:17,343 Vera Reynolds. 1135 01:14:01,188 --> 01:14:03,144 Are you all right? 1136 01:14:05,028 --> 01:14:06,984 He shot himself, not me. 1137 01:14:09,028 --> 01:14:11,098 You were here yesterday, weren´t you? 1138 01:14:11,828 --> 01:14:13,784 Yes. Do you want me to leave? 1139 01:14:13,868 --> 01:14:15,904 But then you´d only want to come back. 1140 01:14:15,988 --> 01:14:18,786 So... ask whatever you want and get it over with. 1141 01:14:25,108 --> 01:14:27,064 I was in the front bedroom. 1142 01:14:27,788 --> 01:14:29,744 We sleep in separate rooms. 1143 01:14:31,468 --> 01:14:33,424 There was a phone call. 1144 01:14:34,188 --> 01:14:38,659 I put it through to John´s study. About half an hour later, I heard the... 1145 01:14:40,828 --> 01:14:42,784 Well, I didn´t know what it was. 1146 01:14:43,508 --> 01:14:47,945 To be honest, I thought it was the plumbing. It´s been making extraordinary noises. 1147 01:14:49,788 --> 01:14:51,699 Of course, it wasn´t. 1148 01:14:52,428 --> 01:14:54,305 John had shot himself. 1149 01:14:54,388 --> 01:14:56,583 Do you know who the call was from? 1150 01:14:56,668 --> 01:14:58,943 Oh, yes, I know who it was from. It was er... 1151 01:14:59,988 --> 01:15:01,944 ...Edward Parker-Jones. 1152 01:15:04,428 --> 01:15:06,737 At least this saves me getting a divorce. 1153 01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:10,506 There have been obstacles in the way for almost a year. 1154 01:15:11,388 --> 01:15:13,424 Yes, I know about the investigations. 1155 01:15:13,508 --> 01:15:15,464 Oh, do you? 1156 01:15:16,309 --> 01:15:18,982 Mrs Kennington, you used to be a doctor, didn´t you? 1157 01:15:19,069 --> 01:15:20,297 Mm. 1158 01:15:20,389 --> 01:15:22,345 - Do you still practise? - No. 1159 01:15:24,069 --> 01:15:27,744 My first husband died. We worked together. Or in the same practice. 1160 01:15:27,829 --> 01:15:29,387 In Cardiff. 1161 01:15:29,469 --> 01:15:31,903 Yes, in... in Cardiff. 1162 01:15:35,269 --> 01:15:38,147 Why do you want to know about my husband´s practice? 1163 01:15:39,069 --> 01:15:43,221 While you were in Cardiff, was Edward Parker-Jones running the um... 1164 01:15:43,309 --> 01:15:45,265 The Calloway Centre. 1165 01:15:47,069 --> 01:15:49,344 Why are you asking me these questions? 1166 01:15:49,429 --> 01:15:52,739 Did you examine a boy, a young boy, called Jason Baldwin? 1167 01:15:52,829 --> 01:15:56,583 - It was a sexual assault charge. - Which was subsequently dropped. 1168 01:15:57,629 --> 01:15:59,585 No, my husband examined him. 1169 01:16:01,669 --> 01:16:03,625 Oh, my God. 1170 01:16:05,429 --> 01:16:07,659 You think I had something to do with that? 1171 01:16:10,989 --> 01:16:13,528 My husband was critically ill. He was very sick. I had... 1172 01:16:14,221 --> 01:16:15,729 I had two small children. 1173 01:16:15,829 --> 01:16:18,502 And he had... cancer. 1174 01:16:19,549 --> 01:16:21,505 I only remember because... 1175 01:16:21,589 --> 01:16:23,545 because he died... 1176 01:16:23,629 --> 01:16:26,666 and then there was this investigation about this boy. 1177 01:16:27,389 --> 01:16:29,345 But there was so much confusión. 1178 01:16:29,429 --> 01:16:33,218 Whether his reports were stolen or just mislaid, I really don´t know. 1179 01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:37,226 My first husband was a... 1180 01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:41,665 ...very decent human being. 1181 01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:44,503 Do you know if any young boys were ever brought here? 1182 01:16:46,030 --> 01:16:48,908 Do I know if young boys were ever brought here? 1183 01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:51,106 I mean, while you were away. 1184 01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:56,100 There´s one boy in particular that I´m interested in. 1185 01:16:56,190 --> 01:16:58,146 His name was Connie. 1186 01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:02,988 Colin Jenkins. 1187 01:17:03,070 --> 01:17:05,026 Do you recognise him? 1188 01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:11,220 Mrs Kennington, would you please look at the photograph? 1189 01:17:20,710 --> 01:17:23,463 At least I was able to protect my own sons. 1190 01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:36,942 Er, let me know when you want to see Jessica Smithy. She´s just arrived. 1191 01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:40,705 Was it right you wanted Vernon Reynolds bringing back in? We just released him. 1192 01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:44,226 Yes. Oh, and watch Alice in Wonderland. Remember she´s a journalist. 1193 01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:46,585 - Stick her in one of the interview rooms. - Right. 1194 01:18:16,511 --> 01:18:20,186 Yes, hello, could I speak to Dr Gordon, please? It´s Jane Tennison. 1195 01:18:27,151 --> 01:18:31,906 Dr Gordon, I´m sorry to disturb you at home. I wanted to talk to you as soon as possible. 1196 01:18:32,951 --> 01:18:35,101 No, no, no. No, it´s just that... 1197 01:18:35,831 --> 01:18:38,391 I would like to arrange a termination, please. 1198 01:18:41,631 --> 01:18:44,828 Yes, I am aware that it´s a very big decisión, but I... 1199 01:18:48,351 --> 01:18:51,388 Yes, I obviously have given it a great deal of thought. 1200 01:18:52,351 --> 01:18:54,307 I want an abortion. 1201 01:18:58,631 --> 01:19:00,587 Yes, I know. 1202 01:19:03,031 --> 01:19:04,987 Right. 1203 01:19:05,071 --> 01:19:07,905 I´ll call you next week to arrange a time and a date. 1204 01:19:09,392 --> 01:19:11,348 OK. Goodbye. 1205 01:19:23,632 --> 01:19:26,510 Bill, would you just give me a moment or two on my own? 1206 01:19:26,592 --> 01:19:28,264 Certainly. 1207 01:20:29,593 --> 01:20:32,949 - Choose them yourself, do you? - Er, no, my girlfriend does. 1208 01:20:35,473 --> 01:20:37,429 I´d get rid of her if I were you. 1209 01:20:40,513 --> 01:20:42,708 It´s shit! 1210 01:20:42,793 --> 01:20:47,344 And you lied to me. You never at any time said that you were near that Advice Centre. 1211 01:20:47,993 --> 01:20:50,746 - Why, Vernon? - You´ve always called me Vera. 1212 01:20:50,833 --> 01:20:52,903 Oh, stop playing games with me. 1213 01:20:52,993 --> 01:20:56,622 Did you or did you not, on the night that Connie died, see Jackson? 1214 01:20:57,993 --> 01:20:59,551 Yes. 1215 01:21:00,393 --> 01:21:02,782 And what time did you get to the Advice Centre? 1216 01:21:04,513 --> 01:21:06,663 A- A-About 8:30. 1217 01:21:09,393 --> 01:21:11,145 8:30. 1218 01:21:12,393 --> 01:21:14,748 - Where was Connie? - In the flat. 1219 01:21:14,833 --> 01:21:17,028 - Alone? - Yes. 1220 01:21:17,793 --> 01:21:21,342 Well... your friend Red is now in trouble, isn´t he? 1221 01:21:21,433 --> 01:21:26,268 Because he swore, on oath, that you were at your friend´s studio at... 1222 01:21:26,353 --> 01:21:28,821 6:30 it was, yes. He never notices the time. 1223 01:21:29,673 --> 01:21:32,028 Then I went to the club, just as he said. 1224 01:21:33,953 --> 01:21:36,228 When you left your flat, was Connie there? 1225 01:21:38,393 --> 01:21:40,350 Suspect nodded his head. 1226 01:21:40,434 --> 01:21:42,390 Was he alone? 1227 01:21:44,274 --> 01:21:46,230 Suspect shook his head. 1228 01:21:47,834 --> 01:21:51,543 Well, who was with Connie when you left your flat at 6:30? 1229 01:21:54,434 --> 01:21:56,709 A journalist. 1230 01:22:04,354 --> 01:22:06,026 I tried. 1231 01:22:06,994 --> 01:22:09,303 I told you. I gave you all the clues. 1232 01:22:10,754 --> 01:22:14,144 It was me who was at the Advice Centre. I even said Parker-Jones´s name. 1233 01:22:15,114 --> 01:22:18,550 It was me who told you about Jackson, me who told you about the press. 1234 01:22:23,314 --> 01:22:26,067 I went back to the flat because I´d forgotten um... 1235 01:22:27,674 --> 01:22:29,630 ...a sequined choker. 1236 01:22:30,354 --> 01:22:32,231 Connie was still there. 1237 01:22:33,394 --> 01:22:35,350 And he was showing her my album. 1238 01:22:37,354 --> 01:22:39,310 She was looking at my photographs. 1239 01:22:42,754 --> 01:22:44,710 You don´t understand, do you? 1240 01:22:46,394 --> 01:22:48,954 There were some loose pictures of me before... 1241 01:22:49,874 --> 01:22:51,626 Before. 1242 01:22:53,634 --> 01:22:55,590 With my mum and my dad. 1243 01:22:57,195 --> 01:23:01,234 Private pictures, no show business ones. Just my mum and my dad and my brother. 1244 01:23:06,555 --> 01:23:08,511 I´d had enough. 1245 01:23:10,155 --> 01:23:13,511 I don´t ever see them, so the pictures are very special to me. 1246 01:23:15,595 --> 01:23:18,155 After all I´d done for him, he was selling me too. 1247 01:23:21,115 --> 01:23:23,071 I didn´t want to make a drama, 1248 01:23:23,835 --> 01:23:25,791 not in front of the press woman. 1249 01:23:27,795 --> 01:23:29,751 So I just called him out of the room. 1250 01:23:30,915 --> 01:23:32,792 Said I wanted to talk to him. 1251 01:23:35,155 --> 01:23:38,113 He swore he wasn´t letting her have a single picture. 1252 01:23:40,275 --> 01:23:42,231 She left a few minutes later. 1253 01:23:42,315 --> 01:23:44,783 I went in to check my album. He lied. 1254 01:23:44,875 --> 01:23:46,831 There were a lot missing. 1255 01:23:48,035 --> 01:23:50,993 So... I confronted him but... 1256 01:23:52,595 --> 01:23:55,905 ...he swore he hadn´t given her anything, said she must´ve stolen them, 1257 01:23:55,906 --> 01:23:57,433 but he was such a liar. 1258 01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:01,991 And er... 1259 01:24:02,075 --> 01:24:04,908 I got hysterical and er... I hit him. 1260 01:24:04,995 --> 01:24:06,951 With an ashtray, I think. 1261 01:24:08,395 --> 01:24:10,351 He fell down. 1262 01:24:11,075 --> 01:24:13,031 I didn´t mean to hurt him. 1263 01:24:16,316 --> 01:24:18,272 I helped him to the sofa. 1264 01:24:19,396 --> 01:24:22,354 He gave me one of his smiles. He had such a sweet smile. 1265 01:24:25,836 --> 01:24:27,792 He closed his eyes. 1266 01:24:30,396 --> 01:24:33,866 I couldn´t feel a pulse and he was... he was dead. 1267 01:24:34,636 --> 01:24:36,467 Did you call an ambulance? 1268 01:24:38,116 --> 01:24:41,472 My telephone´s not working. I told Mr Parker-Jones. He said... 1269 01:24:41,556 --> 01:24:44,946 - What? What did he say? - He said he would take care of everything. 1270 01:24:45,036 --> 01:24:47,948 - Did he? - I don´t know. 1271 01:24:57,236 --> 01:25:00,785 I was put in prison when I was not that much older than Connie. 1272 01:25:03,836 --> 01:25:05,792 That´s what I´m scared of. 1273 01:25:07,396 --> 01:25:09,273 Inside, they´re all Jacksons. 1274 01:25:09,996 --> 01:25:11,748 I was raped every night. 1275 01:25:12,516 --> 01:25:16,873 That´s what I´ve been so scared of. I wanted to tell you but I was just so scared. 1276 01:25:22,996 --> 01:25:25,635 I need to go to... I need to go to the toilet. 1277 01:25:30,717 --> 01:25:35,552 We are terminating this interview at... 3:45 in Interview Room Two. 1278 01:25:35,637 --> 01:25:38,595 Mr Vernon Reynolds needs to use the toilet. 1279 01:25:40,437 --> 01:25:42,667 Could you take him to the toilet, please? 1280 01:25:52,357 --> 01:25:54,313 Can´t you take me to the ladies? 1281 01:26:13,437 --> 01:26:15,553 You just pretended to like me. 1282 01:26:30,757 --> 01:26:32,713 Come on, love! 1283 01:26:35,317 --> 01:26:36,989 Oh, hello. 1284 01:26:37,757 --> 01:26:39,793 - Who´s in there? - Vernon Reynolds. 1285 01:26:39,877 --> 01:26:43,187 He´s just admitted to smacking Colin Jenkins. 1286 01:26:43,917 --> 01:26:45,953 Just finished questioning him. 1287 01:26:47,157 --> 01:26:49,626 So it wasn´t Jackson after all? 1288 01:26:52,758 --> 01:26:55,716 Vernon´s cut his wrists. I need to call an ambulance. 1289 01:26:57,478 --> 01:26:59,787 All right. Come on. 1290 01:26:59,878 --> 01:27:02,073 He´s cut his wrists! 1291 01:27:03,838 --> 01:27:06,477 Vera. Listen to me. 1292 01:27:06,558 --> 01:27:09,197 - I´m sorry. I´m sorry. - Hold on, Vera. Hold on. 1293 01:27:09,278 --> 01:27:12,111 - I´m sorry, I´m sorry. Sorry. I´m sorry. - It´s all right. 1294 01:27:12,198 --> 01:27:14,587 She´s losing a lot of blood. Hurry up! 1295 01:27:14,678 --> 01:27:16,794 - I´m sorry. I´m sorry. - Listen. 1296 01:27:16,878 --> 01:27:20,427 Listen. You didn´t kill Connie. She died in the fire. 1297 01:27:20,518 --> 01:27:22,952 15- minute delay on the ambulance call-out. 1298 01:27:23,038 --> 01:27:24,994 Get a car. 1299 01:27:25,718 --> 01:27:27,595 Get one for me too. 1300 01:27:27,678 --> 01:27:30,317 He died in the fire. It was the fire that did it. 1301 01:27:30,398 --> 01:27:33,435 I´ve been here since half-past two. I want to go to the ladies. 1302 01:27:33,518 --> 01:27:36,191 - You have no right to waste my time. - I have every right. 1303 01:27:36,278 --> 01:27:38,587 And I will keep you here as long as I wish. 1304 01:27:38,678 --> 01:27:41,904 You have lied, you have withheld vital evidence and you, Miss Smithy... 1305 01:27:41,905 --> 01:27:44,908 ...have wasted my time. You want the ladies? Come with me. 1306 01:27:46,958 --> 01:27:50,837 I only made two tapes, I swear before God. Just two tapes. 1307 01:27:50,918 --> 01:27:53,830 I know I should have told you about me being at the flat. 1308 01:27:53,918 --> 01:27:55,795 Did you take anything from his flat? 1309 01:27:57,798 --> 01:27:59,754 - Did you? - Yes. 1310 01:27:59,838 --> 01:28:04,390 They were just some snapshots. Nobody famous. Just a few black-and-white photos. 1311 01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,188 Apart from the photographs that you took, did Connie give you anything? 1312 01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:10,076 Nothing. Nothing. 1313 01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:14,152 Just some story about being picked up when he was 10 or 11. I think he made that up. 1314 01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:15,718 Come with me. 1315 01:28:16,759 --> 01:28:20,434 - I tried to contact you, you know I did. - Oh, stop with the Doris Day act. 1316 01:28:20,519 --> 01:28:22,908 - It´s getting on my nerves. - Your car´s ready. 1317 01:28:22,999 --> 01:28:25,388 Get Kathy to get in touch with emergency services. 1318 01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,677 Check if there was a 15- minute delay on the night of the 17th. Quick as you can. 1319 01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:32,833 Right, Miss Smithy, tell me about Martin Fletcher. 1320 01:28:32,919 --> 01:28:36,150 He was the first boy I approached. He introduced me to Connie. 1321 01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:39,037 It became obvious that Connie would make a better story. 1322 01:28:39,119 --> 01:28:42,873 - We were worried Martin was too young. - Martin Fletcher is dead. 1323 01:28:42,959 --> 01:28:44,915 Did you know that? 1324 01:28:45,639 --> 01:28:49,109 Right, you drop Martin Fletcher and you offer Connie money. 1325 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,667 Did you give him the money in Vernon Reynolds´ flat? 1326 01:28:51,759 --> 01:28:55,991 Yes. He put it in his pocket. He said it wasn´t enough. He said he wanted more. 1327 01:28:56,079 --> 01:28:58,035 All right. And what happened then? 1328 01:28:58,759 --> 01:29:02,672 I said I couldn´t give him any more, not until I at least saw what he had to offer. 1329 01:29:02,759 --> 01:29:05,831 Did he give you anything? Any pictures, any names? Anything? 1330 01:29:05,919 --> 01:29:07,113 No. 1331 01:29:11,079 --> 01:29:13,035 What happened next? 1332 01:29:13,119 --> 01:29:15,075 He left the room for a minute. 1333 01:29:16,279 --> 01:29:20,265 And there was this album on the coffee table. 1334 01:29:20,266 --> 01:29:21,903 Vera Reynolds´ album. 1335 01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,109 Yes? 1336 01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,749 They were just photos of a family. And a couple of somebody in drag. 1337 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,876 They were no use. They meant nothing. 1338 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,918 You´re wrong, Miss Smithy. They meant a great deal to someone. 1339 01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:38,232 Enough to make him pick up a heavy ashtray and hit Connie over the head with it. 1340 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,036 You have a great deal to answer for. 1341 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,957 Will you take Miss Smithy and bring her back with Vernon Reynolds´ photographs? 1342 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,396 - Are you going to charge me with anything? - We´ll see about that. 1343 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,237 Emergency services have said there was a 15- minute delay that night 1344 01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,073 and all callers were informed that that was the case. 1345 01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,516 I´ve got him. And this time I´m ready for him. Let´s go. 1346 01:31:13,881 --> 01:31:16,873 I hope you´re satisfied. You´ve emptied the place. 1347 01:31:16,961 --> 01:31:19,077 Mr Parker-Jones, I am arresting you 1348 01:31:19,161 --> 01:31:22,517 on suspición of involvement in the murder of Colin Jenkins. 1349 01:31:22,601 --> 01:31:24,260 You do not have to say anything... 1350 01:31:24,261 --> 01:31:27,788 but if you wish to, what you say may be used in evidence. 1351 01:31:33,881 --> 01:31:35,360 You all set? 1352 01:31:35,441 --> 01:31:36,954 I think so. 1353 01:31:38,521 --> 01:31:40,477 You´d better nail him. 1354 01:31:40,561 --> 01:31:42,313 I intend to. 1355 01:31:49,041 --> 01:31:52,795 I told you I had names. Very important people. High-up people 1356 01:31:52,881 --> 01:31:57,411 Very important people, because if they found out I was doing this, they´d kill me. 1357 01:31:57,502 --> 01:32:01,954 Very important people. High-up people. Very important people. 1358 01:32:04,162 --> 01:32:06,118 Good luck, guv. 1359 01:32:09,242 --> 01:32:12,473 Mr Parker-Jones, you have stated that on the evening of the 17th, 1360 01:32:12,562 --> 01:32:15,235 you were at the Advice Centre, Soho, is that correct? 1361 01:32:15,322 --> 01:32:16,960 Yes. 1362 01:32:17,042 --> 01:32:20,318 Would you please tell me who else was present that evening? 1363 01:32:21,042 --> 01:32:24,000 - Billy Matthews... - Statement withdrawn. 1364 01:32:25,762 --> 01:32:27,798 Matthews denies being at the centre. 1365 01:32:29,442 --> 01:32:32,036 - David Driscoll? - Statement withdrawn. 1366 01:32:33,242 --> 01:32:35,278 Driscoll denies being at the centre. 1367 01:32:35,362 --> 01:32:40,072 - Alan Thorpe. - Alan Thorpe says that he was at the centre 1368 01:32:40,162 --> 01:32:44,440 but that he was not only intoxicated but also suffering from substance abuse 1369 01:32:44,522 --> 01:32:49,437 and was, in his own words, unable to remember whether he was there himself. 1370 01:32:52,642 --> 01:32:54,360 James Jackson. 1371 01:32:55,682 --> 01:33:00,756 Mr Jackson has made a statement, contradicting an earlier statement. 1372 01:33:01,522 --> 01:33:04,320 He now says, under caution, that he was at the centre, 1373 01:33:04,402 --> 01:33:06,632 but for no more than two or three minutes. 1374 01:33:10,922 --> 01:33:15,360 Do you have any other alibi witnesses you wish to have recorded at this time? 1375 01:33:26,203 --> 01:33:28,159 My client will answer. 1376 01:33:29,963 --> 01:33:33,638 I... realise I have been very foolish. 1377 01:33:34,643 --> 01:33:39,478 I can only apologise and say I was in some way trying to protect Vernon Reynolds. 1378 01:33:40,763 --> 01:33:43,118 Vernon was at the centre on the 17th. 1379 01:33:44,083 --> 01:33:46,039 Did you speak to Vernon Reynolds? 1380 01:33:48,043 --> 01:33:49,715 No comment. 1381 01:33:49,803 --> 01:33:52,761 Did Vernon Reynolds ask you to call an ambulance? 1382 01:33:54,043 --> 01:33:55,715 No comment. 1383 01:33:55,803 --> 01:33:59,762 Mr Parker-Jones, we are in the possessión of a tape recording. 1384 01:33:59,843 --> 01:34:04,314 It´s a phone call made to the emergency services on the evening of the 17th. 1385 01:34:05,323 --> 01:34:09,032 It would be very simple for us to match the voice on the tape with yours, so... 1386 01:34:10,003 --> 01:34:13,678 ...did you or did you not call an ambulance on the evening of the 17th? 1387 01:34:21,963 --> 01:34:23,681 Yes, I did call an ambulance. 1388 01:34:23,763 --> 01:34:25,719 Vernon was in a dreadful state. 1389 01:34:25,803 --> 01:34:29,160 Er, he said that Colin Jenkins and he had argued 1390 01:34:29,244 --> 01:34:31,997 and that Colin needed a doctor. 1391 01:34:33,324 --> 01:34:35,792 I placed a call with the emergency services. 1392 01:34:35,884 --> 01:34:38,273 And what did the emergency services tell you? 1393 01:34:38,364 --> 01:34:40,320 That the ambulance was on its way. 1394 01:34:41,804 --> 01:34:43,760 Anything else? 1395 01:34:43,844 --> 01:34:45,516 No, I don´t think so. 1396 01:34:45,604 --> 01:34:47,560 Why didn´t you leave your name? 1397 01:34:48,564 --> 01:34:53,718 Well, because the Advice Centre has had, on occasión, to place emergency calls 1398 01:34:53,804 --> 01:34:55,715 and then when the ambulance arrives... 1399 01:34:55,804 --> 01:34:59,763 Did the emergency services tell you that there would be a 15- minute delay? 1400 01:35:01,564 --> 01:35:03,282 I don´t remember. 1401 01:35:07,044 --> 01:35:09,239 Would you agree that Vernon Reynolds´ flat 1402 01:35:09,324 --> 01:35:11,758 is about a two-minute walk from the Advice Centre? 1403 01:35:11,844 --> 01:35:14,916 - Yes. - So, if you had been informed of a delay... 1404 01:35:15,004 --> 01:35:16,960 I was unaware of any delays. 1405 01:35:19,544 --> 01:35:21,075 Why didn´t you call a doctor? 1406 01:35:21,276 --> 01:35:23,784 Why didn´t you make that short journey yourself? 1407 01:35:24,924 --> 01:35:27,996 Well, because I couldn´t leave the centre unattended. 1408 01:35:28,084 --> 01:35:32,919 And at no point did Vernon make it clear that it was an emergency. 1409 01:35:33,004 --> 01:35:35,996 I was asked to phone an ambulance. 1410 01:35:36,844 --> 01:35:38,402 Which I did. 1411 01:35:38,484 --> 01:35:40,440 I admit I lied to you about that, 1412 01:35:40,524 --> 01:35:44,676 but I was just trying to prevent Vernon Reynolds from getting into trouble. 1413 01:35:54,805 --> 01:35:58,241 Do you have any further questions you wish to put to my client? 1414 01:35:58,325 --> 01:36:00,281 Yes, I do. 1415 01:36:06,125 --> 01:36:09,003 Mr Parker-Jones, you´ve apologised for lying. 1416 01:36:09,085 --> 01:36:12,919 You lied about the four witnesses you said saw you at the Advice Centre 1417 01:36:13,005 --> 01:36:14,723 on the evening of the 17th. 1418 01:36:14,805 --> 01:36:18,434 Now, one of those witnesses was Billy Matthews. Is that correct? 1419 01:36:18,525 --> 01:36:23,201 Yes, but you must understand that on any given evening, there could be 20-25 boys... 1420 01:36:23,285 --> 01:36:26,277 Yes, but you were most specific about Billy Matthews. 1421 01:36:26,365 --> 01:36:29,641 The reason you said you recalled him was because he was ill. 1422 01:36:29,725 --> 01:36:30,953 Yes. 1423 01:36:31,045 --> 01:36:34,515 It transpires Billy Matthews was not at the Advice Centre that night. 1424 01:36:34,605 --> 01:36:36,516 He was in Charing Cross Hospital. 1425 01:36:36,605 --> 01:36:40,314 I´m sorry, I... I just must have confused the evening. 1426 01:36:40,405 --> 01:36:44,523 Really? Even though you called an ambulance for him? 1427 01:36:44,605 --> 01:36:47,244 That would have been on the evening of the 16th. 1428 01:36:50,085 --> 01:36:52,360 On that occasión, you did leave your name. 1429 01:36:52,445 --> 01:36:56,563 And on that occasión, you were informed that there would be a 15- minute delay. 1430 01:36:57,459 --> 01:36:58,943 Is that not correct? 1431 01:37:06,846 --> 01:37:08,484 It´s possible. 1432 01:37:08,566 --> 01:37:10,318 Oh, it´s possible? 1433 01:37:10,406 --> 01:37:13,921 It´s also possible that the following evening when you called an ambulance, 1434 01:37:14,006 --> 01:37:16,884 you would already know that there was a 15- minute delay. 1435 01:37:16,966 --> 01:37:20,038 Giving you time to leave the Advice Centre and go to Vera´s flat. 1436 01:37:20,126 --> 01:37:22,560 Did you? Did you go to Vernon Reynolds´ flat? 1437 01:37:22,646 --> 01:37:25,240 No. I did not. 1438 01:37:35,646 --> 01:37:39,275 Mr Parker-Jones, are you aware of the existence of certain photographs 1439 01:37:39,366 --> 01:37:41,322 belonging to Mr James Jackson? 1440 01:37:46,166 --> 01:37:48,122 No comment. 1441 01:37:48,206 --> 01:37:52,677 And that in these photographs you are pictured with the deceased, Colin Jenkins? 1442 01:37:52,766 --> 01:37:53,960 No comment. 1443 01:37:54,046 --> 01:37:57,561 And that you are photographed in various poses with other juveniles? 1444 01:37:57,646 --> 01:38:00,638 And that these photographs were taken from your house in Camden? 1445 01:38:00,726 --> 01:38:02,478 No comment. 1446 01:38:02,566 --> 01:38:06,115 Oh, I think that you knew of the existence of these photographs. 1447 01:38:06,846 --> 01:38:10,282 - You knew Connie Jenkins was selling them. - No comment. 1448 01:38:10,366 --> 01:38:12,926 So you had James Jackson searching all over London, 1449 01:38:13,006 --> 01:38:15,964 desperate to track them down, desperate to track Connie down. 1450 01:38:16,046 --> 01:38:18,606 - But you couldn´t find him, could you? - No comment. 1451 01:38:18,686 --> 01:38:21,485 And then Vera came to you, as you said, in a dreadful state. 1452 01:38:21,567 --> 01:38:24,206 Saying that the very person you were looking for... 1453 01:38:24,287 --> 01:38:25,840 was not only in her flat... 1454 01:38:25,841 --> 01:38:29,905 but was also unconscious, alone and with those photographs. 1455 01:38:32,207 --> 01:38:35,040 - No comment. - So you said you´d arrange everything. 1456 01:38:35,127 --> 01:38:37,243 You said that you´d even call an ambulance. 1457 01:38:37,327 --> 01:38:39,966 No comment? No comment again, Mr Parker-Jones? 1458 01:38:41,127 --> 01:38:44,517 You´ve already admitted that you were aware of the delays. 1459 01:38:44,607 --> 01:38:46,598 You used that 15 minutes, didn´t you? 1460 01:38:46,599 --> 01:38:49,445 You ran from the Advice Centre, you went to Vera´s flat. 1461 01:38:49,527 --> 01:38:53,381 Connie wasn´t dead, was he? He was still alive. Just semiconscious. 1462 01:38:53,773 --> 01:38:56,803 So you made sure he would never be able to tell anyone about you, 1463 01:38:56,887 --> 01:38:59,178 you and your friends, Mr Parker-Jones. 1464 01:39:00,207 --> 01:39:04,041 It was so easy. He couldn´t do anything - couldn´t fight back, couldn´t stop you - 1465 01:39:04,127 --> 01:39:07,005 as you set light to him, you left him to burn to death. 1466 01:39:15,167 --> 01:39:16,646 No comment. 1467 01:39:32,127 --> 01:39:35,244 Good night, Inspector Tennison. Which is the way out? 1468 01:39:37,248 --> 01:39:42,527 Without a witness who actually saw person or persons unknown set alight to that flat, 1469 01:39:43,288 --> 01:39:45,244 you´ll never have a case. 1470 01:39:56,168 --> 01:39:59,797 So... this blown my chances for superintendent? 1471 01:40:00,528 --> 01:40:02,837 Oh, no. No, you´ll get it. 1472 01:40:04,728 --> 01:40:06,684 No strings. 1473 01:40:35,648 --> 01:40:37,604 Jessica Smithy´s back. 1474 01:40:49,288 --> 01:40:51,438 Still looking for a scoop, Miss Smithy? 1475 01:40:52,168 --> 01:40:54,683 I´m paid to expose the truth. It´s my job. 1476 01:40:55,609 --> 01:40:57,565 Bit like yours. 1477 01:40:58,369 --> 01:41:00,439 No, your job isn´t anything like mine. 1478 01:41:01,929 --> 01:41:04,966 But it is criminal that a man like Edward Parker-Jones... 1479 01:41:05,049 --> 01:41:07,504 is allowed to gain access to young children... 1480 01:41:07,505 --> 01:41:09,644 and all with the blessing of the social services. 1481 01:41:09,729 --> 01:41:12,104 - Files you asked for, guv. - Thank you very much. 1482 01:41:13,369 --> 01:41:15,325 Yeah. 1483 01:41:15,409 --> 01:41:18,367 Young boy called him... "the Keeper of Souls". 1484 01:41:19,289 --> 01:41:21,245 It was his nickname. 1485 01:41:21,969 --> 01:41:23,721 Good headline, isn´t it? 1486 01:41:24,609 --> 01:41:27,362 Nice turn of phrase for a sick pervert like him. 1487 01:41:29,689 --> 01:41:30,917 Excuse me. 1488 01:41:31,009 --> 01:41:33,204 Is Parker-Jones going to be charged? 123079

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