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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 0 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.700 Most of the time when I tell people this story, they 1 00:00:08.700 --> 00:00:12.000 tell me that they don't believe me and that I'm making 2 00:00:11.700 --> 00:00:13.500 it up or that it's not true. 3 00:00:17.900 --> 00:00:21.200 When I was younger, he was 4 00:00:21.200 --> 00:00:21.900 amazing. 5 00:00:22.900 --> 00:00:25.300 He he was just always there 6 00:00:25.300 --> 00:00:26.500 for me when I needed someone. 7 00:00:28.300 --> 00:00:31.700 You always hear about 8 00:00:31.700 --> 00:00:35.300 Mass murderers and how terrifying they 9 00:00:34.300 --> 00:00:35.400 are. 10 00:00:38.300 --> 00:00:40.500 But you can never really imagine. 11 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:41.800 that 12 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:45.600 hurtful and harmful person to be 13 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.100 in the same house as you 14 00:01:14.500 --> 00:01:16.200 I like that American country music. 15 00:01:20.100 --> 00:01:23.700 I mean just the quietness and soothing I 16 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:26.100 mean, I don't know how many kind they are. There is just 17 00:01:26.100 --> 00:01:29.800 one that I listen. It's just a background a country music. I listen to 18 00:01:29.800 --> 00:01:31.100 that. It kind of relaxes me. 19 00:01:33.600 --> 00:01:36.100 Oh the country music it seems to 20 00:01:36.100 --> 00:01:36.600 me is coming from. 21 00:01:37.800 --> 00:01:40.300 From the heart how you feel about the society or 22 00:01:40.300 --> 00:01:43.300 the community wherever you live and to express 23 00:01:43.300 --> 00:01:46.300 those feelings of in a 24 00:01:46.300 --> 00:01:49.000 very simple and straightforward way. 25 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:51.000 I felt. 26 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:54.600 I became American I think after Maybe. 27 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:58.000 five years 28 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:03.000 After I learned that language, I was in school. I had 29 00:02:02.700 --> 00:02:05.700 the second child born. I became 30 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:08.200 very comfortable with my life. 31 00:02:08.900 --> 00:02:12.300 I felt as in 32 00:02:11.300 --> 00:02:14.500 America probably early on and 33 00:02:14.500 --> 00:02:17.600 the community also embraced me without any 34 00:02:17.600 --> 00:02:18.000 hesitation. 35 00:02:22.100 --> 00:02:25.100 I came to men see 36 00:02:25.100 --> 00:02:28.000 in 1986 as a refugee. 37 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.400 I was living in the refugee camp 38 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.200 in Pakistan due to the Soviet invasion and 39 00:02:34.200 --> 00:02:35.100 Afghanistan. 40 00:02:35.700 --> 00:02:36.800 Lived there for six years. 41 00:02:38.100 --> 00:02:41.500 Then I got engaged with my husband there and then he 42 00:02:41.500 --> 00:02:44.200 brought me five years later to the United States and 43 00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:47.700 we got married in 86. I am 44 00:02:47.700 --> 00:02:49.900 a family physician here in monsie, Indiana. 45 00:02:51.200 --> 00:02:53.900 The pictures of my children are in each room. 46 00:02:54.600 --> 00:02:57.500 I read my passion as my family. So I 47 00:02:57.500 --> 00:03:00.900 tell my passion that I came by choice and I 48 00:03:00.900 --> 00:03:03.800 appreciate appreciate the 49 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.200 Refuge status that I came as a refugee 50 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:09.200 and then I tell them they are my 51 00:03:09.200 --> 00:03:12.500 family because if something happened to me, my family is 52 00:03:12.500 --> 00:03:15.300 far away. There will be coming to my rescue. 53 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.700 How would people describe me I would 54 00:03:23.700 --> 00:03:26.300 probably say that they would describe me 55 00:03:26.300 --> 00:03:27.800 a strong and stubborn. 56 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.900 They would describe me as 57 00:03:34.200 --> 00:03:37.400 a mom because my main goal 58 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:39.900 is to raise my daughter to be a 59 00:03:40.900 --> 00:03:41.800 strong young woman 60 00:03:43.700 --> 00:03:46.800 when I first met mag, there was no doubt 61 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.800 that he was a Jarhead one of 62 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.500 the things I loved about him was his commitment. 63 00:03:53.600 --> 00:03:56.700 To ironically enough to his 64 00:03:56.700 --> 00:03:56.900 country. 65 00:03:58.300 --> 00:04:01.800 Mac and I had a long distance relationship for just 66 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:02.500 over a year. 67 00:04:04.200 --> 00:04:07.700 I decided to introduce him to Emily I said this is 68 00:04:07.700 --> 00:04:11.000 gonna be the deciding factor because if 69 00:04:10.200 --> 00:04:13.100 she's not good mom's not good. 70 00:04:13.900 --> 00:04:16.300 She wanted to make sure that I was gonna have a good 71 00:04:16.300 --> 00:04:19.300 father figure in my life for later on 72 00:04:19.300 --> 00:04:22.500 and so we moved to Muncie 73 00:04:22.500 --> 00:04:25.100 altogether when I was five and he just 74 00:04:26.300 --> 00:04:27.200 was my dad from there on. 75 00:04:28.200 --> 00:04:31.500 Their relationship was very close. They like 76 00:04:31.500 --> 00:04:34.500 to go a lot of different places together go fishing. 77 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:37.300 He let her drive his car. 78 00:04:38.900 --> 00:04:41.600 We both called each other our road dogs, cuz 79 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.400 we were just go everywhere together and just hang out all the 80 00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:47.300 time when I was really young. He was amazing. 81 00:04:56.300 --> 00:04:58.400 How did killing people change you? 82 00:05:03.400 --> 00:05:04.800 Never really told that. 83 00:05:08.500 --> 00:05:10.100 I was like man. 84 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:26.200 That's fairly 85 00:05:26.200 --> 00:05:26.500 Happy Kid. 86 00:05:27.200 --> 00:05:30.200 My friends I like to run the streets. 87 00:05:31.900 --> 00:05:32.400 in high school 88 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:37.200 I'd gotten in a lot of trouble. My biggest downfall is I was 89 00:05:37.200 --> 00:05:41.100 involved in drugs both using and and selling it 90 00:05:40.100 --> 00:05:42.300 made life harder on me. 91 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:46.400 School almost well, it did make school impossible. 92 00:05:48.200 --> 00:05:49.200 I joined a Marines at 18. 93 00:05:50.900 --> 00:05:52.200 I saw it as a respect. 94 00:05:55.100 --> 00:05:57.300 My dad came from nothing. 95 00:05:58.400 --> 00:05:59.600 big family poor 96 00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:03.500 He had quit school. 97 00:06:04.400 --> 00:06:07.600 Join the military and he did four 98 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:08.300 years in the Marine Corps. 99 00:06:10.100 --> 00:06:13.300 By me joined in the military not only the military but the Marine 100 00:06:13.300 --> 00:06:16.300 Corps and going through some of the same stuff. He went through 101 00:06:16.300 --> 00:06:18.000 I figured I'd get his respect. 102 00:06:18.900 --> 00:06:19.600 I didn't have it. 103 00:06:20.900 --> 00:06:23.200 But I knew it would get me away from what I was doing. 104 00:06:28.100 --> 00:06:29.500 I was in the military for a long time. 105 00:06:30.500 --> 00:06:33.400 Around 25 years towards the 106 00:06:33.400 --> 00:06:34.900 end of my military career. 107 00:06:35.900 --> 00:06:37.200 I was a totally different person. 108 00:06:38.900 --> 00:06:40.400 the fact of being involved 109 00:06:41.200 --> 00:06:43.200 in so many deaths over years. 110 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.200 It was a crazy time man. 111 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.000 I don't even know. 112 00:06:51.100 --> 00:06:52.500 I probably would have been committed. 113 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:55.300 If they would actually known. 114 00:06:56.200 --> 00:06:57.200 the way I was acting 115 00:07:00.300 --> 00:07:01.300 One time I had a discussion. 116 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:06.100 To hire ranking person about coping let 117 00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:07.000 me straight in the eye. 118 00:07:07.500 --> 00:07:10.000 Mac you're on the Range you're shooting at a paper Target. 119 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:15.600 As long as you can look at them as anything, but human 120 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.700 you won't have any problems. I sent 121 00:07:18.700 --> 00:07:20.500 all okay, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. 122 00:07:21.200 --> 00:07:21.700 That's what I did. 123 00:07:24.700 --> 00:07:33.400 I'm a 124 00:07:33.400 --> 00:07:37.400 very family orientated person. I love family. I'm a 125 00:07:37.400 --> 00:07:40.300 whims. So the Williams family go way back 126 00:07:40.300 --> 00:07:41.200 here in Muncie. 127 00:07:42.900 --> 00:07:45.800 My great great grandfather was lynched and 128 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:47.200 was castrated and 129 00:07:47.900 --> 00:07:50.200 So I grew up this like towards white people. 130 00:07:50.200 --> 00:07:51.600 It was so bad. 131 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:58.200 I was 21 years young long time 132 00:07:58.200 --> 00:07:58.500 ago. 133 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:03.500 When I first came into the religion the community 134 00:08:03.500 --> 00:08:06.800 was beautiful. I never experienced anything 135 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.700 like that, you know the closeness of 136 00:08:09.700 --> 00:08:11.500 anything until I came to this community. 137 00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:16.500 Story, I was told for starting the Islamic Center was that it was my 138 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:19.600 dad and two other Muslim brothers that were kind of 139 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.300 the the kickstarters of the of the 140 00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:25.300 mosque and so an Afghan Assyrian in a 141 00:08:25.300 --> 00:08:28.700 bingo and a Bangladeshi brother, you know that like that kind of unity to 142 00:08:28.700 --> 00:08:31.300 start it to start a mosque through, you know from these 143 00:08:31.300 --> 00:08:34.300 different walks of life different countries different Refugee stories 144 00:08:34.300 --> 00:08:36.600 and to come together and create a mosque. So that's a beautiful thing. 145 00:08:37.400 --> 00:08:38.400 my parents are 146 00:08:39.400 --> 00:08:43.300 Mountain movers I would describe them as both come 147 00:08:43.300 --> 00:08:45.900 from very very humble beginnings in Afghanistan. 148 00:08:47.300 --> 00:08:49.600 It was really always an open door at our house. 149 00:08:50.500 --> 00:08:54.100 Just anyone who needed a place to stay. I welcome 150 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:57.400 them to let Stay With Me from alwaks 151 00:08:56.400 --> 00:08:59.100 of Life. They will come to our 152 00:08:59.100 --> 00:09:02.600 house. I want to watch their clothes and clean their clothes and cook for 153 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.300 them. My dad calls my mom the Mother 154 00:09:05.300 --> 00:09:09.300 Teresa of the Muslim Community and it's definitely true. She 155 00:09:08.300 --> 00:09:11.100 really it's in her DNA to 156 00:09:11.100 --> 00:09:14.300 just be that self-sacrificer to really put her like 157 00:09:14.300 --> 00:09:17.100 everything on the line to make even one person's life 158 00:09:17.100 --> 00:09:17.400 better. 159 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:24.800 Oh my God. 160 00:09:26.900 --> 00:09:29.700 I think nine eleven changed me and 161 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:32.000 a lot of community members in a big way. 162 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:35.600 It was shocking. I couldn't believe 163 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.700 it. We were just as devastated as as 164 00:09:38.700 --> 00:09:40.800 anybody else as any other American. 165 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.100 For me personally, it was very difficult to see that in the 166 00:09:46.100 --> 00:09:46.500 United States. 167 00:09:47.800 --> 00:09:50.700 As I say, you know, we have come from those country where 168 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:53.600 there was killing there were bombing and 169 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.300 just like you come here as you live 170 00:09:56.300 --> 00:09:59.400 in a peace seeing there was very difficult for me 171 00:09:59.400 --> 00:10:02.600 personally. I had some discrimination you can 172 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.200 tell when we went out people looked at 173 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.400 us a little bit differently people saw us a little bit differently. 174 00:10:08.500 --> 00:10:11.200 Go back to your country that you have. 175 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:15.200 Tower on your head. Just making this remarks. 176 00:10:16.300 --> 00:10:17.400 it really 177 00:10:18.300 --> 00:10:19.200 hurts you. 178 00:10:23.300 --> 00:10:26.900 When when I moved to Muncie, I started to notice some 179 00:10:26.900 --> 00:10:29.100 things with his behavior that I 180 00:10:29.100 --> 00:10:33.000 hadn't earlier. Usually when 181 00:10:32.400 --> 00:10:35.300 he would talk about the things that happened. It 182 00:10:35.300 --> 00:10:38.200 was when he would drink or he would 183 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:41.300 be really sad military career ended with 184 00:10:41.300 --> 00:10:43.200 me getting injured. 185 00:10:44.400 --> 00:10:46.200 And it started a cycle of events. 186 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:50.800 Lithium Monsey now, I 187 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:53.200 was being forced to see 188 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.200 people that I considered an enemy. 189 00:10:56.300 --> 00:10:57.900 Every time I went out the door. 190 00:10:59.900 --> 00:11:02.600 We would now go to Walmart and you walk 191 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.100 down the aisle and start to go down an aisle and I would see 192 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:08.900 a woman in hijab and would intentionally divert our 193 00:11:08.900 --> 00:11:09.300 path. 194 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:11.400 his master 195 00:11:11.900 --> 00:11:12.700 Is my country? 196 00:11:13.400 --> 00:11:14.000 my city 197 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:17.700 got to the point where I just wanted to do harm 198 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:18.100 to them. 199 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:22.200 I guess I just held on to the hope, you know that being in 200 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.100 a loving relationship would help him move away 201 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:28.400 from the anger and the hatred that 202 00:11:28.400 --> 00:11:31.200 he had. I never thought in a million years 203 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.100 that he would consider doing anything to 204 00:11:34.100 --> 00:11:35.400 anyone. 205 00:11:39.700 --> 00:11:42.300 I started thinking. 206 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:44.800 between 207 00:11:45.900 --> 00:11:47.100 being drunk and sober 208 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:50.000 I was brainstorming how 209 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:52.900 Can I make this right? 210 00:11:55.300 --> 00:11:56.900 My country's done with me, but I'm not done with it. 211 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:00.800 I would die for that cough. 212 00:12:02.900 --> 00:12:03.600 gladly 213 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:06.100 as I came up with the point. 214 00:12:08.900 --> 00:12:09.800 I said, okay. 215 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.800 Non-explosive expert by no means but I 216 00:12:14.800 --> 00:12:16.100 knew enough to make a bomb. 217 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.700 You find a good place where I think I can get the most. 218 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:22.500 bang for my buck 219 00:12:24.300 --> 00:12:24.900 my plan 220 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:27.700 was the detonate 221 00:12:29.100 --> 00:12:29.600 and IED 222 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:34.200 right outside the Muncie Islamic Center 223 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:36.500 on a Friday afternoon. 224 00:12:37.700 --> 00:12:38.700 When they were all gathered. 225 00:12:40.100 --> 00:12:42.000 And I was hoping for at least 200 or more. 226 00:12:44.300 --> 00:12:45.400 dead injured 227 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:50.000 at least that was my goal 200 more. 228 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:54.300 I knew I'd get caught my DNA's on 229 00:12:54.300 --> 00:12:57.300 National Database. I was good with that. I wanted to 230 00:12:57.300 --> 00:13:00.000 be in court. I wanted to make my statements. I wanted to 231 00:13:00.300 --> 00:13:02.500 tell people. Yes, I did this. 232 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:09.700 There was this boy at my school and his 233 00:13:09.700 --> 00:13:12.500 mom came to pick him up and she 234 00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:15.500 was in this long dress with 235 00:13:15.500 --> 00:13:18.700 long sleeves and a full head covering 236 00:13:18.700 --> 00:13:21.400 that only showed her eyes, and I was really 237 00:13:21.400 --> 00:13:24.200 confused by that because I had never seen that before and 238 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.700 I was wondering why I couldn't see anything of 239 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:27.900 her. 240 00:13:28.700 --> 00:13:30.900 And I went home that day. 241 00:13:31.900 --> 00:13:35.200 And told my dad about it and he flipped out 242 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.200 this little Muslim kid. 243 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.200 future terrorists 244 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:42.800 sat across from my daughter 245 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:47.800 I blew up. 246 00:13:48.900 --> 00:13:51.500 at the end I actually went into my 247 00:13:51.500 --> 00:13:52.600 room and just 248 00:13:53.300 --> 00:13:54.400 broke down and cried 249 00:13:56.800 --> 00:13:59.200 I let these people get close to my family. 250 00:14:00.300 --> 00:14:04.400 I was just very confused and probably scared 251 00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:06.500 of why he was just freaking 252 00:14:06.500 --> 00:14:09.500 out over what this woman was wearing and 253 00:14:09.500 --> 00:14:12.800 it just seemed so weird to me and strange 254 00:14:12.800 --> 00:14:15.200 and I looked at 255 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.500 him like what are you going on about you crazy, 256 00:14:18.500 --> 00:14:21.900 man, when I have a little girl sitting in 257 00:14:21.900 --> 00:14:24.100 front of me looking at me like I'm crazy. 258 00:14:25.100 --> 00:14:25.500 question 259 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.100 and man, I really I really love this guy or not. 260 00:14:30.100 --> 00:14:31.400 This little girl's my world man. 261 00:14:33.900 --> 00:14:35.800 And I can't have that happen. 262 00:14:38.500 --> 00:14:39.400 I need her love. 263 00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:43.400 So I said, okay. 264 00:14:44.700 --> 00:14:47.200 I know. I'm right these people were killers. 265 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:53.200 And I knew that in order to be able to stand and 266 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:54.000 face my daughter. 267 00:14:55.700 --> 00:14:58.000 About this about what I have planned. 268 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:02.300 I need to be able to show her proof. I need to be able to show the 269 00:15:02.300 --> 00:15:05.100 rest of the world proof. So I went to 270 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:09.200 the Islamic Center to get the proof I wanna. 271 00:15:10.300 --> 00:15:13.200 I didn't want to be with these people because if I walk inside this building, 272 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:13.900 I might not come out. 273 00:15:21.300 --> 00:15:24.200 When I first saw him I was driving down the 274 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.900 street and then I was actually coming to the 275 00:15:27.900 --> 00:15:30.300 Martian and when I saw him 276 00:15:30.300 --> 00:15:33.000 he was walking kind of fast. His head was kind of 277 00:15:33.300 --> 00:15:36.200 down kind of lower. You know, it's kind of red in the 278 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:36.700 face a little bit. 279 00:15:38.400 --> 00:15:39.900 And the guy knew something was wrong. 280 00:15:52.800 --> 00:15:55.200 so I walk in the building and all of a sudden it's like 281 00:15:57.400 --> 00:15:59.200 I felt my stomach tighten up. 282 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:00.900 chest tighten up 283 00:16:02.400 --> 00:16:04.100 I tried to keep my senses about me. 284 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:06.500 I got very anxious. 285 00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:08.600 I didn't trust them. 286 00:16:09.900 --> 00:16:12.700 I I considered myself somebody 287 00:16:12.700 --> 00:16:15.600 as a a future news 288 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.100 story on Al Jazeera. 289 00:16:18.100 --> 00:16:21.400 By the end of the night I figured they would have being the basement with a sword 290 00:16:21.400 --> 00:16:21.900 of my throat. 291 00:16:23.300 --> 00:16:24.100 he just 292 00:16:24.700 --> 00:16:27.200 like this guy who had a lot on his 293 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.200 mind pacing back and forth. 294 00:16:29.900 --> 00:16:32.000 I remember seeing this something not right with this guy. 295 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:34.500 He looks at me and I look at him. 296 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:36.400 He smiles. 297 00:16:37.400 --> 00:16:38.200 And he said can I help you? 298 00:16:40.300 --> 00:16:43.400 My first impression of seeing him. 299 00:16:46.300 --> 00:16:47.800 I don't want to say like 300 00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:51.100 it was let us scary. 301 00:16:54.400 --> 00:16:57.500 I looked around thinking about my plan and actually 302 00:16:57.500 --> 00:16:58.600 looked at individuals like 303 00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:01.300 yep, he's gone. 304 00:17:02.400 --> 00:17:03.200 He's gone. 305 00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:08.100 my first impression of McKinney was 306 00:17:09.600 --> 00:17:12.800 he seemed to be like a redneck. 307 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:19.700 So it was a support scary in 308 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:20.300 the beginning. 309 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:24.700 But he came to the Masjid and 310 00:17:24.700 --> 00:17:27.400 he's like a guest also, so I 311 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.500 I couldn't help it except to hug 312 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:32.200 him and make him feel. 313 00:17:33.100 --> 00:17:36.800 Not artificially from my heart that he is 314 00:17:36.800 --> 00:17:36.900 welcome. 315 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:39.200 And he is part of us. 316 00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:46.400 To this day. I still doesn't make any sense to me to this 317 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:46.500 day. 318 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:52.000 These people kill non-believers for sport. It's 319 00:17:51.100 --> 00:17:52.400 what they do. 320 00:17:53.100 --> 00:17:54.000 It's in her book. 321 00:17:57.100 --> 00:17:58.100 He says it my feet. 322 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:00.700 He hugged my leg. 323 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:02.500 It's God doesn't know me. 324 00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:04.800 Hug my leg. 325 00:18:06.300 --> 00:18:06.800 That was pretty heavy. 326 00:18:09.600 --> 00:18:11.900 They don't even know the truth. 327 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:18.300 That is one of my duty when he says Salam to somebody salaam what 328 00:18:17.300 --> 00:18:20.200 that means to tell this 329 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.500 other person that you are safe for me. There will 330 00:18:23.500 --> 00:18:24.600 be no danger for me. 331 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:28.400 I just wanted to die. 332 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:29.900 So I wanted. 333 00:18:31.900 --> 00:18:33.100 I wanted the peace man. 334 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.700 I needed to stop the voices. I needed to stop the noise, and I 335 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:38.700 just wanted to peace. 336 00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:45.800 Somehow I I believe that he was genuine. 337 00:18:46.700 --> 00:18:49.500 And he has issue all of 338 00:18:49.500 --> 00:18:53.300 us have issue in the military post-traumatic stress 339 00:18:53.300 --> 00:18:56.300 syndrome, whatever that might be or some other thing and maybe he is 340 00:18:56.300 --> 00:18:59.100 looking for a solution. He's looking for 341 00:18:59.100 --> 00:19:02.400 a solution and if you can be a solution for him 342 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.400 for some of his stresses, why not? Why not 343 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:06.700 to be extra kind to him? 344 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:09.600 I comforted him. 345 00:19:10.300 --> 00:19:11.700 I give him the attention. 346 00:19:13.100 --> 00:19:16.400 I think that's the basic memory that 347 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:16.900 I have. 348 00:19:17.800 --> 00:19:20.500 Not only just what Mac I would do this with 349 00:19:20.500 --> 00:19:21.300 any guest. 350 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.300 These people were just plain old Pleasant. 351 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.300 Happy to be alive. Happy to be in America. 352 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:32.700 It's happy. 353 00:19:33.600 --> 00:19:35.100 And more than happy to talk to me. 354 00:19:37.800 --> 00:19:40.200 I personally believe that we need to 355 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.900 be kind to those people even more the people 356 00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:46.500 like, you know, sometimes like they might 357 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:49.600 have some difficulty some concern some 358 00:19:50.800 --> 00:19:51.200 stress 359 00:19:52.100 --> 00:19:55.500 I personally believe that we should be more kind to 360 00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:59.200 those than people who are successful who 361 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:01.300 are already know what they're doing. 362 00:20:04.800 --> 00:20:06.900 He can't completely forgive himself. 363 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:09.900 the things that he did 364 00:20:19.600 --> 00:20:21.900 what are you thinking about? 365 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:27.900 just how he 366 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.400 you know, he thought he was doing the right thing and 367 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.300 doing it for the right reasons and how much 368 00:20:38.300 --> 00:20:41.400 he sacrificed and how much he suffered. 369 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.300 For the things that he was asked to do. 370 00:21:01.300 --> 00:21:04.200 Actually when he came back, I was surprised to see him come back. 371 00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:08.400 Yes, he came but not that same day, but he 372 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.300 came back like the next day and so forth. 373 00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:15.200 Turned hanging around to my s*** more coming to 374 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:15.500 prayer. 375 00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:20.500 You know coming to the dinners. I 376 00:21:20.500 --> 00:21:23.600 think it was probably one of the first times in a while where he felt 377 00:21:23.600 --> 00:21:26.400 like he was just a part of something like like that was bigger. 378 00:21:28.600 --> 00:21:31.500 He probably had been missing that that part 379 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:32.700 of his life for a while. 380 00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:38.400 We talk about his his wife. We'll talk about his daughter. 381 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.400 Talk about his his tours. 382 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:46.000 He had another countries. I thought they were very interesting because 383 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.500 he came from environment. He came 384 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:51.800 from environment where he was was killing Muslims. He 385 00:21:51.800 --> 00:21:54.400 was at war with 386 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.200 Muslims right in his mind. 387 00:21:57.800 --> 00:21:59.500 Right, so I was able to understand. 388 00:22:03.100 --> 00:22:03.700 part of the 389 00:22:09.600 --> 00:22:12.200 community are because he was 390 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:16.100 hugging the people that he wanted to choke. 391 00:22:17.500 --> 00:22:20.400 The more time I spent around him the more I started to 392 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:20.600 change. 393 00:22:21.800 --> 00:22:25.200 It's been so long in the military man. You know, I I 394 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.200 had this band a Brothers if you want to call it. 395 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:33.100 It was gone. 396 00:22:35.100 --> 00:22:38.500 We've been disbanded. There's no 397 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:38.700 more. 398 00:22:43.800 --> 00:22:46.000 It's funny. I had a dream that I was on the Range. 399 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:49.700 And I shot a paper Target. 400 00:22:52.100 --> 00:22:55.200 And instead of just a whole being put in that 401 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:55.300 Target. 402 00:22:56.900 --> 00:22:58.400 the target started bleeding 403 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.200 and I went down and I wiped off the blood. 404 00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:07.100 wouldn't stop 405 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:13.500 The target would not stop bleeding blood was 406 00:23:13.500 --> 00:23:15.000 just flowing from the target. 407 00:23:15.700 --> 00:23:19.200 That's when 408 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:20.600 I really felt things were about to change. 409 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.500 It took eight weeks to change my mind. It took 410 00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:32.400 eight weeks to remove all of that hatred all 411 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:34.400 of that planning all of everything. 412 00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:36.100 out of my heart 413 00:23:37.800 --> 00:23:40.100 I said I need to be Muslim. 414 00:23:50.600 --> 00:23:53.500 I got off the bus one day from school and I 415 00:23:53.500 --> 00:23:56.500 see all these people standing outside 416 00:23:56.500 --> 00:24:00.000 my house in like FBI like 417 00:24:00.800 --> 00:24:03.200 Coats and jackets and stuff like that. They were 418 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.400 looking for something and I didn't know that something 419 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:06.700 was 420 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:12.100 we went to the apartment where Mr. McKinney was residing at that point 421 00:24:12.100 --> 00:24:15.100 in time went up to Mr. McKinney's door knocked on his 422 00:24:15.100 --> 00:24:18.600 door and Mr. McKinney answered they came 423 00:24:18.600 --> 00:24:21.500 and they questioned me they asked 424 00:24:21.500 --> 00:24:24.300 if I mind if they would bring a bomb dog to the 425 00:24:24.300 --> 00:24:27.200 house. Absolutely you come right ahead. 426 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.400 It has been disposed of it doesn't exist anymore. 427 00:24:32.300 --> 00:24:35.300 We talked to him for a little bit longer. The FBI agent did 428 00:24:35.300 --> 00:24:38.600 felt like Mr. McKinney wasn't really a credible threat at 429 00:24:38.600 --> 00:24:41.100 that point in time that he wasn't going to 430 00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:43.400 put anything into action at that point in time. 431 00:24:44.500 --> 00:24:47.100 I never thought a million years. I I feel kind of 432 00:24:47.100 --> 00:24:50.400 kind of foolish because I didn't recognize that 433 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.700 that was even a potential that he had. It's still 434 00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:57.700 kind of hard for me to even wrap around my head that my 435 00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:59.800 dad would have been known as 436 00:24:59.800 --> 00:25:01.100 a mass murderer. 437 00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:08.300 One of the members came to 438 00:25:08.300 --> 00:25:11.400 me and asked me. Do you know the Richard 439 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.600 was planning to do this? 440 00:25:13.800 --> 00:25:16.100 I cannot believe that this is what I heard. 441 00:25:17.100 --> 00:25:20.000 That was the time. I invited him over for dinner. 442 00:25:22.800 --> 00:25:25.300 And I asked him I say what in the 443 00:25:25.300 --> 00:25:25.500 world. 444 00:25:26.600 --> 00:25:27.500 Were you thinking? 445 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.500 Richer remember like being amazed like what he wanted 446 00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:34.100 to do. What I remember asking. What was what was the 447 00:25:34.100 --> 00:25:37.300 deal man? What was going on through your head? What would your problem man? 448 00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:39.200 He didn't know anything better. 449 00:25:41.300 --> 00:25:44.600 That's exactly what he said sister baby. What if 450 00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:47.400 if I have met you meeting somebody like 451 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.000 you if I had that much understanding I would 452 00:25:50.100 --> 00:25:52.000 have never thought about this. 453 00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:54.300 You showed me the right way. 454 00:25:55.300 --> 00:25:59.200 You showed me what true humanity is about just 455 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.500 put Islam aside for a second. You showed 456 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:03.100 me what true Humanity was about. 457 00:26:05.300 --> 00:26:14.400 Go get up when when 458 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.400 Mack went to the mosque and the way he was treated 459 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.300 the way he was embraced. It did save his life it 460 00:26:20.300 --> 00:26:21.400 saved. 461 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:23.400 the lives of the community 462 00:26:25.800 --> 00:26:27.900 had they turned him away. 463 00:26:29.100 --> 00:26:33.000 Had they treated him differently. It would 464 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:35.300 be a whole different story than what he 465 00:26:35.300 --> 00:26:38.000 has to tell now. I love the man 466 00:26:38.600 --> 00:26:41.000 back is a great man. Mike is a good person. 467 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.500 Now I have someone here who can who 468 00:26:45.500 --> 00:26:47.700 will definitely protect us or something happened to us. 469 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:54.700 Great, I do see that as my little brother 470 00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:57.200 and who came to the center and then 471 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.300 he needed that support. 472 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:04.100 So anyway, I appreciate everyone I just want you to know 473 00:27:04.100 --> 00:27:07.200 that that each and every one of you even the ones that 474 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.800 are not here always be in my heart. 475 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:11.000 Thank you. 476 00:27:20.800 --> 00:27:21.500 I could never 477 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.100 In a million years could never repay this 478 00:27:25.100 --> 00:27:26.600 community what they've given me. 479 00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:31.500 I see a lot of my actions now. 480 00:27:32.800 --> 00:27:33.300 as 481 00:27:34.800 --> 00:27:36.100 a making of amends 482 00:27:42.800 --> 00:27:45.900 survive 30 second verse in 483 00:27:45.900 --> 00:27:46.300 the Quran 484 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:49.500 to kill one human being 485 00:27:50.600 --> 00:27:53.200 is as if you killed all of humanity. 486 00:27:54.800 --> 00:27:56.300 but to save on human being 487 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.000 is as if you saved off Humanity. 488 00:28:03.100 --> 00:28:05.200 I hope the day comes when I can forgive myself. 489 00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:08.700 Maybe 490 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.700 Islam was definitely a positive. 491 00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:21.200 positive change for Mac 492 00:28:23.100 --> 00:28:26.200 and I support ultimately supported that change but 493 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.200 it wasn't, you know, it wasn't the right choice for 494 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:29.300 me. 495 00:28:31.900 --> 00:28:34.000 Even though we're not married anymore. 496 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:36.500 I care about him. 497 00:28:37.100 --> 00:28:40.400 I hope that he finds forgiveness for 498 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:40.900 himself. 499 00:28:42.100 --> 00:28:44.300 And that he can be happy. 500 00:28:48.100 --> 00:28:51.400 I love my dad. He's still an amazing dad. He 501 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.600 always likes to tell me dad jokes, which I absolutely 502 00:28:54.600 --> 00:28:57.400 despise yet. I love at the same time, but I won't 503 00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:58.000 tell him that. 504 00:29:29.900 --> 00:29:30.100 you 35195

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