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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:19,519 [dogs barking] 2 00:00:19,602 --> 00:00:23,148 [reporter] Have you heard about Kai, the hitchhiking hatchet hero? 3 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:24,482 If you haven't, you will. 4 00:00:24,566 --> 00:00:27,318 It's the hottest video on the Internet right now. 5 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:29,195 -What do you wanna talk about? -What happened? 6 00:00:29,279 --> 00:00:31,448 [reporter] This was not a typical news story. 7 00:00:31,531 --> 00:00:32,907 It may have started out as one, 8 00:00:32,991 --> 00:00:36,619 but it very quickly progressed into a heck of a lot more. 9 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:41,332 I mean, there's no doubt that day Kai was a hero. 10 00:00:41,416 --> 00:00:45,045 Everyone around the world wanted a piece of this kid. 11 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:47,505 He could have had anything he wanted. 12 00:00:47,589 --> 00:00:50,258 I mean, he could have had the money, the fame. 13 00:00:50,341 --> 00:00:52,719 But this dude that I introduced the world to 14 00:00:52,802 --> 00:00:54,971 went, in the matter of three months, 15 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:57,891 from this amazing, heroic, beautiful person 16 00:00:57,974 --> 00:01:01,186 to wanted by authorities for murder. 17 00:01:01,936 --> 00:01:05,315 -So it's a really fucked-up story. -[phone vibrating] 18 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:06,900 He's calling right now. 19 00:01:06,983 --> 00:01:08,443 -[woman] Who is? -Kai. 20 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:10,737 -Hello? -[robotic voice] You have a prepaid call. 21 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:12,614 You will not be charged for this call. 22 00:01:12,697 --> 00:01:16,534 This call is from an inmate at the New Jersey State Prison. 23 00:01:16,618 --> 00:01:18,745 This call will be monitored and recorded. 24 00:01:20,121 --> 00:01:24,084 [train clacking on tracks] 25 00:01:27,670 --> 00:01:29,964 [train horn blares] 26 00:01:36,221 --> 00:01:39,390 [reporter 2] When we began to hear about this next story in the newsroom 27 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:41,476 a little after 2:00 p.m. this afternoon, 28 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:43,645 it sounded very strange. 29 00:01:43,728 --> 00:01:46,523 And, as KMPH news anchor Jessob Reisbeck shows us, 30 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:48,733 it only got crazier. 31 00:01:48,817 --> 00:01:51,361 [Jessob] It's February 1st 2013. 32 00:01:51,444 --> 00:01:55,115 I had been tabbed to report news that day. 33 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:57,492 And over the scanner came, 34 00:01:57,575 --> 00:01:59,953 "There's been a car accident. It looks pretty bad." 35 00:02:00,036 --> 00:02:04,374 "There's someone pinned between the car and a utility vehicle." 36 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:06,459 "The driver's yelling crazy things." 37 00:02:06,543 --> 00:02:09,129 "'I'm Jesus Christ." "All Black people deserve to die.'" 38 00:02:09,212 --> 00:02:10,630 Racist things. Terrible things. 39 00:02:10,713 --> 00:02:12,799 An absolute bizarre scene here in West Fresno 40 00:02:12,882 --> 00:02:14,300 at the corner of McKinley and Marks. 41 00:02:14,384 --> 00:02:16,636 I was a sports anchor and reporter, 42 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:19,973 and, for whatever reason, we were short on news reporters. 43 00:02:20,056 --> 00:02:23,977 So this was literally my first day covering news, 44 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:25,895 and it turned out to be, 45 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:28,189 man, something else. 46 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:31,693 A man plows his car into a PG&E worker, 47 00:02:31,776 --> 00:02:34,863 pinning him against his truck, because the worker was Black. 48 00:02:34,946 --> 00:02:37,323 And innocent bystanders come to the rescue. 49 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:40,034 He must have done this on purpose. Like, he tried to kill this dude. 50 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:42,912 My mom ran to the driver to make sure he was okay 51 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:45,123 'cause we thought maybe it was just an accident. 52 00:02:45,206 --> 00:02:47,417 He just kept saying he was Jesus Christ 53 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:50,253 and he's gonna save all of us and that, but we have to get… 54 00:02:50,837 --> 00:02:53,214 He used the N word, meaning the Black people and that. 55 00:02:53,298 --> 00:02:55,008 He said we need to get them off of the earth. 56 00:02:55,633 --> 00:03:01,014 [Jessob] The driver ends up being this 6'4", 300-pound huge guy. 57 00:03:01,931 --> 00:03:04,517 Then he turns to this woman that tried to come and help 58 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:07,020 and starts to physically hurt her, got her in a bear hug, 59 00:03:07,103 --> 00:03:08,021 is choking her. 60 00:03:08,104 --> 00:03:09,272 [barking] 61 00:03:09,355 --> 00:03:11,316 [Jessob] All of a sudden, she said the passenger, 62 00:03:11,399 --> 00:03:13,401 who looked like a hitchhiker, a homeless guy, 63 00:03:13,484 --> 00:03:16,321 comes and attacks the driver and saves her. 64 00:03:16,404 --> 00:03:18,406 And, as I'm doing this interview, 65 00:03:18,489 --> 00:03:21,242 I look across this two-lane farm road 66 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:23,661 and down walking on the other side of the road 67 00:03:23,745 --> 00:03:27,665 was a guy with long hair, a bandana, a really big backpack, 68 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:30,919 and not to stereotype, but looked like a homeless hitchhiker. 69 00:03:31,002 --> 00:03:33,880 -Can we talk to you? Do you mind? -What do you wanna talk about? 70 00:03:33,963 --> 00:03:35,256 What happened today? 71 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:38,051 Well, went straight outta Dogtown. 72 00:03:38,134 --> 00:03:40,011 Skateboarding, surfing it up… 73 00:03:40,094 --> 00:03:43,097 The first thing he wanted to do was send a loving message 74 00:03:43,181 --> 00:03:46,309 to whoever sees this interview. It's powerful. It gives me goosebumps. 75 00:03:46,392 --> 00:03:48,144 He'd been through this crazy, 76 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,688 what to most people would be a traumatic situation, 77 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:52,232 and he looked right in the camera… 78 00:03:52,315 --> 00:03:54,108 Before I say anything else, I wanna say 79 00:03:54,192 --> 00:03:56,319 no matter what you've done, you deserve respect. 80 00:03:56,402 --> 00:03:58,321 Even if you make mistakes, you're lovable, 81 00:03:58,404 --> 00:04:01,616 and it doesn't matter your looks, skills, or age, size, or anything, 82 00:04:01,699 --> 00:04:05,745 you're worthwhile. No one can ever take that away from you. Now… 83 00:04:05,828 --> 00:04:08,289 He just had such a different perspective 84 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:10,208 of what he was supposed to do in that moment. 85 00:04:10,291 --> 00:04:11,960 [hitchhiker] I look over. The guy's pinned there. 86 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:14,003 Buddy gets out. These two women are trying to help him. 87 00:04:14,087 --> 00:04:16,172 He runs up, and he grabs one of them, man. 88 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:19,217 A guy that big can snap a woman's neck like a pencil stick. 89 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:21,344 So I fucking ran up behind him with a hatchet. 90 00:04:21,427 --> 00:04:24,389 Smash! Smash! Smash! 91 00:04:25,181 --> 00:04:26,057 Yeah. 92 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:28,226 Who would expect a hatchet-wielding hitchhiker 93 00:04:28,309 --> 00:04:31,187 to be coming to save the day? 94 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:35,942 I was blown away. Absolutely blown away, 95 00:04:36,025 --> 00:04:38,278 'cause you looked at him and he's rough around the edges, 96 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:40,113 and then you see 97 00:04:40,196 --> 00:04:41,990 the treasure he truly was. 98 00:04:42,073 --> 00:04:43,491 That woman was in danger. 99 00:04:43,574 --> 00:04:46,744 He just finished, what looked like at the time, killing somebody. 100 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:49,247 If I hadn't done that, he would've killed more people. 101 00:04:49,330 --> 00:04:51,582 [woman] Did it strike you as odd that he had a hatchet? 102 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:53,543 Did it-- Not really. I mean, I just-- 103 00:04:53,626 --> 00:04:56,629 You know, I figured being kind of a homeless transient, 104 00:04:56,713 --> 00:04:58,881 a hatchet would be a good thing to have, you know. 105 00:04:58,965 --> 00:05:01,551 He saw a woman that was in danger. "I'm gonna help her." 106 00:05:01,634 --> 00:05:05,305 But how willing and able he was to use it on another person's skull, 107 00:05:05,388 --> 00:05:07,807 maybe, yeah. That's kinda shocking. 108 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:10,184 [Jessob] How'd you get in his car? I was… I was hitchhiking. 109 00:05:10,268 --> 00:05:12,353 Well, good thing I was hitchhiking. 110 00:05:12,437 --> 00:05:15,481 Yeah, people say, "Don't hitchhike. This is what happens." 111 00:05:15,565 --> 00:05:18,609 -Yeah, well, at least I was here. -[Jessob] Can I get your name? 112 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:20,695 -I'm Kai. -[Jessob] Can I get the spelling for it? 113 00:05:20,778 --> 00:05:23,990 -Straight outta Dogtown. K-A-I. -[Jessob] Do you have a last name? 114 00:05:24,073 --> 00:05:26,075 No, bro. I don't have anything. 115 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:28,995 As crazy as things got here, the best news is, 116 00:05:29,078 --> 00:05:32,957 somehow, luckily, none of the injuries suffered are life-threatening, 117 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:36,836 and the guy driving that car is right where he belongs, in police custody. 118 00:05:36,919 --> 00:05:39,881 In West Fresno, Jessob Reisbeck, KMPH News. 119 00:05:39,964 --> 00:05:43,885 After I finished the interview, reporters from other stations came up to him. 120 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:46,054 and said, of course, "Can we talk to you?" 121 00:05:46,137 --> 00:05:48,097 This guy was the most charismatic dude ever. 122 00:05:48,181 --> 00:05:50,892 He's gonna talk to everyone. He wants everyone to see him. 123 00:05:51,392 --> 00:05:55,688 For whatever reason, he said, "Nope. I'm not talking to anyone else," and left. 124 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:58,441 And when that happened, I knew. 125 00:05:58,524 --> 00:06:01,235 Holy shit. We got something really special now, 126 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:05,073 because we're gonna be the only one with this interview. 127 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:06,407 [laughs] 128 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:09,827 When you look at a story, any story, if you're going to tell a story, 129 00:06:09,911 --> 00:06:11,120 you need a villain, 130 00:06:12,622 --> 00:06:14,582 you need an unlikely hero, 131 00:06:14,665 --> 00:06:18,920 you need an amazing scenario, and you need someone in distress, 132 00:06:19,003 --> 00:06:20,755 and this had all of that. 133 00:06:20,838 --> 00:06:22,799 Yeah, it was fucking gnarly, man. 134 00:06:22,882 --> 00:06:26,260 Holy shit. It was like the biggest wave I've ever ridden in my life. 135 00:06:27,095 --> 00:06:29,097 We knew we had gold on our hands. 136 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:38,689 That night I decided I wanted the world to see the entire interview, 137 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:40,942 the six-plus minutes of interview, 138 00:06:41,025 --> 00:06:44,320 because, up until this point, people had only been able to see 139 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:47,281 the minute-and-a-half piece that I'd put on the news. 140 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:51,119 So I put it on YouTube, I clicked "upload," 141 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:52,954 and then I went to bed. 142 00:07:01,003 --> 00:07:04,090 I woke up the next morning, and my world was different. 143 00:07:04,173 --> 00:07:08,010 It was a game changer in my life, for sure, just uploading that video. 144 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:11,722 I had my own YouTube channel, and I had about 20 followers. 145 00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:15,268 And I put it up when I got home, and I looked at it that night, 146 00:07:15,351 --> 00:07:18,354 and it's like, "Oh, it's gotten about 20 hits." 147 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:19,814 "That's nice. That's average. Cool." 148 00:07:20,606 --> 00:07:23,484 Jessob called me the next day. He's all, "Terry, dude!" 149 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:25,903 Just like, "Yeah, Jessob? What?" 150 00:07:25,987 --> 00:07:27,738 He's like, "Have you seen your video?" 151 00:07:27,822 --> 00:07:31,868 It's like, "Oh yeah, it was doing good. I think it was about at 20 or 30 people." 152 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:36,038 I thought it was good. He's like, "Dude, it's at, like, half a million." 153 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:38,708 I knew that day 154 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:43,838 that Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker was born. 155 00:07:44,422 --> 00:07:47,425 Now, this stuff right here, I was driving… 156 00:07:53,014 --> 00:07:56,642 -Smash! Smash! Smash! -[laughs] 157 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:58,769 -Smash! -Smash! 158 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:01,147 He literally has a hatchet in his hand. 159 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:03,274 I'm absolutely obsessed with this guy. 160 00:08:03,357 --> 00:08:05,193 This guy's my fucking hero! 161 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:08,154 Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker. 162 00:08:08,654 --> 00:08:09,489 Fuck yeah. 163 00:08:13,618 --> 00:08:14,952 Every time you would refresh, 164 00:08:15,036 --> 00:08:17,330 someone else had taken the video and reposted it, 165 00:08:17,413 --> 00:08:19,916 and that had tens or hundreds of thousands of views. 166 00:08:19,999 --> 00:08:23,211 So it was just literally like a snowball that rolled and rolled, 167 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:24,962 and the Internet just fed into it. 168 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:26,506 ♪ I'm Kai ♪ 169 00:08:26,589 --> 00:08:29,675 [Jessob] There's dozens and dozens of different autotunes and different songs. 170 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:31,469 It was insane. 171 00:08:31,552 --> 00:08:35,681 ♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪ 172 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:39,393 I mean, the memes? Gimme a break, dude. That guy is a walking meme. 173 00:08:39,477 --> 00:08:40,895 He might have started memes. 174 00:08:40,978 --> 00:08:42,522 ♪ People say, "Don't hitchhike" ♪ 175 00:08:42,605 --> 00:08:44,482 ♪ Well, good thing I was hitchhiking ♪ 176 00:08:44,565 --> 00:08:46,067 ♪ That woman was in danger ♪ 177 00:08:46,609 --> 00:08:48,694 ♪ So I ran up behind him with a hatchet ♪ 178 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:51,489 ♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪ 179 00:08:51,572 --> 00:08:52,907 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 180 00:08:52,990 --> 00:08:54,742 ♪ If he'd started driving that car again ♪ 181 00:08:54,825 --> 00:08:57,119 ♪ There'd be a hell of a lot Of bodies around here ♪ 182 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:58,913 ♪ Dude, that guy was fucking kooked ♪ 183 00:08:58,996 --> 00:09:01,123 ♪ He can snap a woman's neck Like a pencil stick ♪ 184 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:03,334 ♪ So I started smashing him in the head ♪ 185 00:09:03,417 --> 00:09:05,753 ♪ Smash, smash, smash! ♪ 186 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:07,630 Axe-wielding hitchhikers. 187 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:09,006 [audience laughs] 188 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:13,427 I can't tell you how many times I've rolled up my windows 189 00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:16,264 and sped past a hobo sharpening a hatchet. 190 00:09:16,347 --> 00:09:19,850 When I saw Stephen Colbert do his skit, 191 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:22,353 I mean, I didn't watch Colbert that much until then, 192 00:09:22,436 --> 00:09:24,480 and then I became an instant fan of his show. [chuckles] 193 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:27,567 For the first time in human history, people are saying, 194 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:29,277 "Boy, we sure are lucky 195 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,196 that homeless hitchhiker was carrying a hatchet." 196 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:37,118 Kai equalled ratings. It equalled ratings because he was fresh and interesting. 197 00:09:37,201 --> 00:09:39,120 People liked him, and ratings equal money. 198 00:09:39,203 --> 00:09:43,916 So everyone was wanting a piece of him, to jump on the Kai train, as it were. 199 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:45,960 My name is Brad Mulcahy. 200 00:09:46,043 --> 00:09:48,671 In 2013, I was the human interest researcher 201 00:09:48,754 --> 00:09:51,340 for the late-night television show Jimmy Kimmel Live. 202 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:55,219 [announcer] Ready or not, here's Jimmy Kimmel! 203 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:57,722 [Brad] My job is to find interesting stories 204 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:02,101 or interesting clips and bring them to rehearsal or email them to Jimmy 205 00:10:02,184 --> 00:10:04,270 or to track down what Jimmy likes. 206 00:10:04,353 --> 00:10:08,816 Then I try to find that person to get them on within 36 hours. 207 00:10:08,899 --> 00:10:10,651 We tend to air things that are funny. 208 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:12,820 Leave Britney alone! 209 00:10:12,903 --> 00:10:14,905 We especially like people who are genuine 210 00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:18,284 and whose reaction to something unexpected is genuine. 211 00:10:18,367 --> 00:10:22,038 And the best example that I can think of at the moment is Paul Vasquez, 212 00:10:22,121 --> 00:10:23,581 who was the double rainbow guy. 213 00:10:23,664 --> 00:10:25,666 So this gentleman is in Yosemite Park, 214 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:28,210 and one day in the park, he's filming a rainbow, 215 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:32,131 and as he's filming it, a second rainbow begins. 216 00:10:32,214 --> 00:10:36,719 [Paul] Whoa! My God! Oh my God! 217 00:10:36,802 --> 00:10:41,057 [laughs] Oh my God! Whoo! 218 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:44,602 And at that point, it only had tens of thousands of views. 219 00:10:45,561 --> 00:10:49,440 And then once we get him on the show, it went up over 45 million. 220 00:10:49,523 --> 00:10:53,527 Were you or were you not ingesting or inhaling some sort of illegal substance 221 00:10:53,611 --> 00:10:54,528 when you made that-- 222 00:10:54,612 --> 00:10:57,531 Absolutely not. I was completely sober. In that video. 223 00:10:57,615 --> 00:11:01,118 The first time I saw the video of Kai, it was intoxicating, 224 00:11:01,202 --> 00:11:07,333 not to mention that he did genuinely help two human beings who were in peril. 225 00:11:07,416 --> 00:11:08,626 And it was brilliant. 226 00:11:08,709 --> 00:11:12,213 I went to rehearsal, and I believe I was told almost immediately, 227 00:11:12,296 --> 00:11:14,590 "We'd like to see if you can find that gentleman." 228 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:16,801 Hey, buddy! Good boy. 229 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:18,928 Who's a good boy, baby? 230 00:11:19,011 --> 00:11:22,723 Of course everybody wants to be famous, but who has that "it factor"? 231 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:26,310 What is that thing that is just so mesmerizing 232 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:28,229 that you can't take your eyes off somebody, 233 00:11:28,312 --> 00:11:30,690 that is, like… "What are they gonna do next?" 234 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:35,152 One of the biggest shows that I had the privilege of working on 235 00:11:35,236 --> 00:11:37,196 was Keeping Up with the Kardashians. 236 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,699 [announcer] Don't miss the season premiere of The Kardashians. 237 00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:42,201 And I think the appeal with Kai was, 238 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:46,789 most people that are heroes are not homeless people. 239 00:11:46,872 --> 00:11:50,501 This was somebody that came from a different walk of life 240 00:11:50,584 --> 00:11:53,629 that could just open up new audiences 241 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:57,508 and expose people to a different world that they had never seen. 242 00:11:58,217 --> 00:12:02,722 And there was something funny about him and kinda cute and sweet and innocent. 243 00:12:02,805 --> 00:12:06,642 If anyone's watching this and they got a Mini Mal that they could lend a guy 244 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:09,311 with a wetsuit, I'd love to test out Mavericks. 245 00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:11,105 He has that "it factor." 246 00:12:11,188 --> 00:12:12,732 So I wanna find him. 247 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:15,860 Except how do you find someone that's homeless? 248 00:12:15,943 --> 00:12:18,404 [gentle guitar music playing] 249 00:12:26,245 --> 00:12:28,205 [Lisa] Where to start, right? 250 00:12:28,289 --> 00:12:30,124 I mean, wow! 251 00:12:30,207 --> 00:12:33,544 My first move was going onto Facebook, 252 00:12:33,627 --> 00:12:36,881 and Kai had a profile, so I added him 253 00:12:36,964 --> 00:12:40,342 and sent him a message that, you know, I wanted to find him 254 00:12:40,426 --> 00:12:42,428 and I was at this production company. 255 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:44,680 What's step one? 256 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:47,266 I don't know. 257 00:12:47,349 --> 00:12:51,771 And that's when I called the Fresno affiliate that aired the clip. 258 00:12:52,396 --> 00:12:56,442 I speak to Jessob. It's like, "How do I get in touch with this guy?" 259 00:12:56,525 --> 00:12:59,195 And Jessob, you know, "You can't." 260 00:13:00,112 --> 00:13:01,989 Jessob was the gatekeeper. 261 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:07,328 Everyone around the world wanted a piece of this kid. 262 00:13:08,245 --> 00:13:11,707 At one point, I remember deleting my emails. 263 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:13,334 Six minutes later, 264 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:15,628 six minutes, I had, like, 124 emails 265 00:13:15,711 --> 00:13:17,963 from people in Japan, Australia, 266 00:13:18,047 --> 00:13:19,632 East Coast, West Coast, 267 00:13:19,715 --> 00:13:21,884 all the different talk shows you can imagine. 268 00:13:21,967 --> 00:13:26,055 I knew they wanted to talk to him, to be the first person to tell his story. 269 00:13:26,138 --> 00:13:28,808 But I also knew I was the only one with his email. 270 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,768 So I sent him a message, 271 00:13:30,851 --> 00:13:32,478 and I just told him, 272 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:36,649 look, there's all these people that wanna literally make him rich and famous, 273 00:13:36,732 --> 00:13:40,277 but I wanted to be the first one before all these opportunities. 274 00:13:40,361 --> 00:13:42,530 I wanted to tell him about these opportunities 275 00:13:42,613 --> 00:13:44,615 in an honest, fair way. 276 00:13:45,282 --> 00:13:47,451 Subject, "Blowing Up." 277 00:13:48,619 --> 00:13:50,788 "Hey bro, we'd love to do an interview with you 278 00:13:50,871 --> 00:13:54,750 about all the craziness going on around the Internet and the world about you." 279 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:56,335 "The people wanna hear from you." 280 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:58,712 "We'd love to be the one that brings it to them." 281 00:13:58,796 --> 00:14:00,130 "Hope all is good." 282 00:14:00,214 --> 00:14:01,423 "Stay safe." 283 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:05,636 Everybody was trying to get a hold of him. I mean, this was a manhunt. 284 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:26,448 As this thing is getting bigger and bigger and bigger, 285 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:31,078 I knew that I had to talk to him again. I had to figure out more about him. 286 00:14:31,161 --> 00:14:32,663 I had to tell his story. 287 00:14:34,915 --> 00:14:37,793 Finally, he used someone's phone at a gas station and called me. 288 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:39,128 I was super stoked. 289 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:42,923 And then I said, "Where are you, and when can we come and talk to you?" 290 00:14:43,007 --> 00:14:46,135 And he said something like, "Oh, well, you know, I'm up in Stockton." 291 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:50,097 Um, and even my boss said, "Do whatever you have to do." 292 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:53,893 "Get the kid a hotel room. Keep him somewhere so we can talk to him." 293 00:14:55,686 --> 00:14:58,314 [man] Anytime you're on the road getting ready to interview somebody, 294 00:14:58,397 --> 00:15:01,442 you get excited. But I think this was a little bit more excitement 295 00:15:01,525 --> 00:15:06,113 because this is a guy that has gone viral, that everybody wants a piece of. 296 00:15:06,614 --> 00:15:10,784 But nobody could get a hold of him except for one person in the entire world. 297 00:15:10,868 --> 00:15:12,369 And that was Jessob. 298 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:14,788 [Jessob] The entire drive there, 299 00:15:14,872 --> 00:15:18,375 I was talking to different people, doing different interviews. 300 00:15:18,459 --> 00:15:22,087 It's nonstop. They're trying to get him. "I'm going to talk to him." 301 00:15:22,171 --> 00:15:24,214 They wanna know where. I'm not telling them. 302 00:15:25,341 --> 00:15:27,551 We were driving up to the hotel, 303 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:30,179 and I'm turning the corner, and I turn to Jessob. I was like, 304 00:15:30,262 --> 00:15:32,222 "Isn't that Kai?" Jessob's like… 305 00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:35,392 "There he is. Turn around. Let's go. We're getting him." 306 00:15:36,644 --> 00:15:39,772 Uh, yeah, let's do this, in three... 307 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:44,109 Look who it is! We finally caught up with him. 308 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:46,445 It is the world sensation, 309 00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:49,531 everybody's friend, and pretty much a world hero, 310 00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:52,409 it's Kai. Kai, let me tell you this real quick. 311 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:56,163 You're like Batman, except for you don't have the Bat-Signal. 312 00:15:56,246 --> 00:15:58,123 You know, Batman obviously has the spotlight-- 313 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:02,127 And I'm not a filthy rich, spoiled fuck who looks down on everyone. 314 00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:06,548 [Alex] I think the biggest difference between seeing him in the viral video 315 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:10,260 and being around him in person was that he was a loose cannon. 316 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:13,681 I felt like his energy was just a little bit crazy, you know? 317 00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:15,724 He just had some weird energy around him 318 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:18,477 that was, like, you didn't know what he was gonna do next. 319 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,312 -You can bleep that, right? -That was awesome. 320 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:21,730 The first one-- Okay… 321 00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:24,274 -[beatboxing] -[laughing] 322 00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:28,320 He had such an endearing quality. There's so much charisma. 323 00:16:28,404 --> 00:16:31,699 I don't know if I've met someone that has as much charisma as this guy. 324 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:34,576 This right here is one of my friends. 325 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:36,078 Her name's Joan Sewitt. 326 00:16:36,161 --> 00:16:37,746 Now, on Saturday here, 327 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:42,793 some of these, uh… some of these policy enforcers up on over in… 328 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:44,044 This is Stockton. 329 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:46,630 They came on up with her with a gun. 330 00:16:46,714 --> 00:16:48,632 Like, they pulled a gun on her. 331 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:52,886 That, to me, is fucking ridiculous. That is a vulgar display of power, 332 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:55,764 and not in a way that I think Phil Anselmo would appreciate. 333 00:16:55,848 --> 00:17:00,769 He would fill a cart from a local store with goods and steal it. 334 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:03,647 But he would go outside and give it all away to people that needed it. 335 00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:07,192 So it's like, "Well, shit. I don't even know how to look at that." 336 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:10,362 How did it make you feel, though, being this viral sensation, 337 00:17:10,446 --> 00:17:12,906 being everyone's hero right now, Kai? 338 00:17:13,699 --> 00:17:16,535 I'm not a virus. You kidding me? 339 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:19,496 Shit, I'm a sensation. I'm Kai. 340 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:23,375 We did the interview first, and then we need what's called B-roll. 341 00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:26,754 "So what do you think would be a good shot of you?" 342 00:17:26,837 --> 00:17:29,798 And he said, "There's a music shop over here." 343 00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:32,926 "I can grab one of the guitars and play a song." We're like, "Sweet." 344 00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:35,679 So here's one I wrote. 345 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:42,728 [Jessob] He plays this song, and it was phenomenal. 346 00:17:44,938 --> 00:17:47,441 ♪ I've never seen a beauty Like you before ♪ 347 00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:49,610 ♪ Breathless kisses through the door ♪ 348 00:17:49,693 --> 00:17:52,237 ♪ You got that shiny light Of fight in your eyes ♪ 349 00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:54,239 ♪ You're the sunset That brings the twilight ♪ 350 00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:56,867 ♪ Soft, orange kisses, forlorn misses ♪ 351 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:58,410 ♪ When you leave ♪ 352 00:17:58,952 --> 00:18:01,789 ♪ Soft, orange kisses, well-worn dresses ♪ 353 00:18:01,872 --> 00:18:03,082 ♪ That you leave ♪ 354 00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:06,168 [Jessob] Performed well, sung well. 355 00:18:06,251 --> 00:18:08,545 The guitar playing was great. 356 00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:10,964 You know, he even, like, performs it, you know? 357 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:13,717 At one point, the song says something like, you know, 358 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:15,052 "Take back your hood," 359 00:18:15,135 --> 00:18:18,305 and he, like, throws his bandana off at the perfect time. 360 00:18:19,848 --> 00:18:22,309 ♪ Pull back my hood And kiss me real good ♪ 361 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,562 ♪ And just move Get a little bit closer ♪ 362 00:18:25,646 --> 00:18:27,731 ♪ And pull back, and pull back, you do ♪ 363 00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:29,316 ♪ And just move ♪ 364 00:18:29,399 --> 00:18:33,195 ♪ We'll feel this groove With the loving that we do ♪ 365 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:38,117 ♪ We'll feel this groove With the loving that we do, uh ♪ 366 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,870 He's a great performer, and he's talented as heck. 367 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:46,291 Wow, this is another, you know, aspect of this guy that's pretty incredible. 368 00:18:46,375 --> 00:18:49,294 He's willing to be a hero in a dangerous situation. 369 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:51,338 And he's also a really good musician. 370 00:18:51,421 --> 00:18:53,507 -[Jessob] How do you know this guy? -The Internet, man. 371 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:57,094 He, uh… he hit some guy with an axe in the head. 372 00:18:57,177 --> 00:18:59,304 He didn't know the scope of it at that point, 373 00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,307 about how, you know, big his story had become. 374 00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:03,559 He was starting to see it 375 00:19:03,642 --> 00:19:05,769 because, I mean, people were already recognizing him 376 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:08,272 and asking him for pictures and autographs and stuff like that. 377 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:09,690 How'd you get up here? 378 00:19:09,773 --> 00:19:11,733 Uh, hitchhiked. [chuckles] 379 00:19:11,817 --> 00:19:13,318 -Sweet. -Yeah, bro. 380 00:19:13,402 --> 00:19:16,697 -Hope you still have the hatchet. -No, I don't. They took it from me. 381 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,574 Oh, we need to get you a new hatchet, sir. 382 00:19:18,657 --> 00:19:22,202 [Jessob] So we finished up filming, and then I said, 383 00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:24,496 "Do you wanna eat?" He says, "I'll come and eat." 384 00:19:25,831 --> 00:19:29,084 I just started laying out the options that he had, 385 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:32,588 everyone from East Coast to West Coast, then Jimmy Kimmel, 386 00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:37,092 and the fricking Kardashian producers wanna give him his own show. 387 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,803 "Kai, he's trying to say you're famous now." 388 00:19:40,304 --> 00:19:42,890 And you could see the lights kinda click on in Kai's head, 389 00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:45,225 like, "Whoa, like, I'm famous. Like, what?" 390 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:47,895 I mean, there is no bigger brand than the Kardashians. 391 00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:52,316 I could turn around and throw a dart and approach anybody 392 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:56,778 and entice them to wanna be a reality star. 393 00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:01,033 He could be rich and famous and do anything he wants 394 00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:02,951 if he wants it. 395 00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:06,663 There were these comment cards on the table, 396 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:09,082 and they had, like, a little golf pencil with them. 397 00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:11,585 And he's kind of playing with the pencil as I'm talking to him. 398 00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:13,545 I'm like, "Kai, are you listening to me?" 399 00:20:13,629 --> 00:20:15,631 "Listen to all these things I'm telling you." 400 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:18,592 "This is unbelievable. You could be an overnight millionaire." 401 00:20:19,509 --> 00:20:21,261 He just continues to play with this pencil. 402 00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:25,265 He's like, "I kinda just want to go to the Bay Area and smoke weed." 403 00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:28,268 All of the things in the world on one side, 404 00:20:28,352 --> 00:20:29,853 smoke weed on the other side. 405 00:20:29,937 --> 00:20:32,397 This is the fork in the road we've come to with Kai. 406 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:34,524 And all of a sudden, he picks it up, throws it, 407 00:20:34,608 --> 00:20:36,985 and it spins around and it falls, 408 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,737 and he looks at me, and he goes, 409 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,114 "I'm gonna go to the Bay Area and smoke weed." 410 00:20:41,865 --> 00:20:44,826 "Are you… kidding me right now? Wait a second." 411 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,454 "You're telling me that he is not gonna meet with us 412 00:20:47,537 --> 00:20:49,456 because he spun some pencil?" 413 00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,253 I mean, you have to think if you're Kai, like, 414 00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:55,629 "What do I have to lose?" 415 00:20:55,712 --> 00:20:59,174 "This has to change my life somehow. Why not?" 416 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:02,803 "Hey, just go back to him and say 417 00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:06,098 we'll send him a whole limo filled with weed." 418 00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:10,102 "Look, dude, here's their counter-offer." 419 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,437 Kai said, "Okay." 420 00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:15,565 Alex and I jump in our news vehicle, 421 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:18,986 and we head back to Fresno with the story that we got. 422 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:22,781 KMPH is still the only TV station in the world to talk to Kai, 423 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,367 but he is getting offers for new television adventures, 424 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:27,411 like, well, you wouldn't believe. 425 00:21:27,494 --> 00:21:31,081 So chances are you will be seeing him somewhere new very soon. 426 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,167 At this point, everybody wants to get a hold of Kai, 427 00:21:34,251 --> 00:21:38,630 so Jessob says, "Hey, listen. Kai's willing to do something with you, 428 00:21:38,714 --> 00:21:40,716 but also The Kimmel Show wants him." 429 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,594 "So, hey, that's gotta be good for us. Like, we're really onto something." 430 00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:48,473 "If the guy that we wanna make a show with is then gonna be on Kimmel, 431 00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:51,601 it can only make him more popular, so that's gotta be good for us." 432 00:21:51,685 --> 00:21:53,228 We couldn't put him on the train, 433 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,814 we couldn't put him on a plane because he has no ID. 434 00:21:55,897 --> 00:21:59,651 So somebody has to put hands on this guy 435 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:01,653 and then drive him 500 miles. 436 00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:04,573 So we're bringing him to the show, 437 00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:07,743 and my boss said, "We're sending JR with you." 438 00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:09,536 "He knows Northern California." 439 00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:15,917 [JR] I had no idea who this Kai guy was. 440 00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,587 So I watched the viral YouTube video, 441 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:21,923 and I realized, gosh, I guess he's got some endearing qualities, 442 00:22:22,007 --> 00:22:23,925 but he also just made the news 443 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:27,721 for bludgeoning somebody over the head with a deadly weapon. 444 00:22:28,597 --> 00:22:29,765 This is gonna be interesting. 445 00:22:32,601 --> 00:22:34,519 It seems most reality production companies 446 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:38,774 are looking for the next big pop-culture icon to emerge, 447 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,485 and after Simple Life with Paris Hilton went away, 448 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,905 they needed a new Paris Hilton, and Kim Kardashian became that. 449 00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:48,158 So it's a constant look for the next big thing. 450 00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:53,997 Kai had communicated with Jessob 451 00:22:54,081 --> 00:22:57,000 that he had hitchhiked his way down to Santa Rosa. 452 00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:01,213 And, uh, here we go. Giddy up. 453 00:23:01,296 --> 00:23:03,298 400,000 more of me. 454 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:06,426 And then there's all the ones who are just struggling to get up, 455 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:07,552 but we're helping them. 456 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:10,639 My initial impression is, oh my God, he smelled of alcohol. 457 00:23:10,722 --> 00:23:14,309 This guy is in-tox-i-cated. 458 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:21,525 First thing he does is he sees some guy who looked like he "had less than he did." 459 00:23:21,608 --> 00:23:23,777 He takes the backpack off his back, 460 00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:25,779 and he gave him the backpack. 461 00:23:25,862 --> 00:23:30,659 You know, I thought, like, wow. Okay, that's pretty good. 462 00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:34,329 [JR] Kimmel's gonna do his thing. That'll just be a one-off. 463 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,915 What we need to make sure that we do, 464 00:23:36,998 --> 00:23:40,877 before anybody else in Hollywood can get their grubby hands on him, 465 00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:42,796 "Here's the contract. Sign here." 466 00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:46,716 And I remember that he signed it in hieroglyphics. 467 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,262 It took him ten minutes to sign his name, and it was just gibberish. 468 00:23:50,345 --> 00:23:53,265 I don't know how else to describe it. It was like a cave drawing. 469 00:23:53,348 --> 00:23:55,851 That was his "signature" agreeing to be on the show. 470 00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:58,728 So theoretically I guess we had our "deal." 471 00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:00,230 Mission accomplished. 472 00:24:00,313 --> 00:24:03,233 [Lisa] We weren't really sure exactly what this show was gonna be, 473 00:24:03,316 --> 00:24:05,694 but I think what people saw at my company 474 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:12,284 was that Kai could be a gateway into a world that we never saw. 475 00:24:12,367 --> 00:24:16,955 Homeless people living happily on the streets. 476 00:24:17,038 --> 00:24:19,291 The show would be batshit crazy, I know that! 477 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,544 If Kai is, like, the lead man, it's gonna be nuts. 478 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:23,837 [rhythmic tapping] 479 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,423 [Jessob] I remember telling her, "Look, get ready." 480 00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:28,049 "This is not easy." 481 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,260 "He's a great guy, and he's a crazy guy, 482 00:24:30,343 --> 00:24:33,180 but it's not unicorns and rainbows when you hang out with this guy." 483 00:24:33,263 --> 00:24:36,099 "It is exhausting. It's hard. So just be ready." 484 00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,435 "And if you need me, call me. Whatever I can do…" 485 00:24:38,518 --> 00:24:40,937 "Give me the phone. I'll talk to him if anything's going on." 486 00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:56,161 [Brad] It's eight o'clock, and I'm standing outside 487 00:24:56,244 --> 00:24:58,538 the Roosevelt Hotel on Hollywood Boulevard. 488 00:24:58,622 --> 00:25:00,499 Lisa pulls up with Kai, 489 00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:02,792 and I see Lisa for the first time, 490 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:05,045 and I see Kai for the first time. 491 00:25:05,128 --> 00:25:07,130 And Lisa looks down, and she says, 492 00:25:07,214 --> 00:25:10,759 "Can you watch him for a minute? I'm gonna go valet the car," 493 00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:14,054 which is just straight around the corner, and I say, "No problem." 494 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:18,141 And Kai, he gets out of the car. It's me and him on Hollywood Boulevard, 495 00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:21,228 and people are recognizing him almost immediately. 496 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:24,564 People are driving by, and they're saying, "Smash! Smash! Smash!" 497 00:25:24,648 --> 00:25:27,442 So I'm just standing there. I'm not watching him. He's an adult. 498 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,528 Lisa comes back around the corner, 499 00:25:29,611 --> 00:25:32,447 and I could see her, and she looks at me and she stops. 500 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:35,742 Kai has his pants pulled down… 501 00:25:35,825 --> 00:25:39,162 And he's urinating on Julio Iglesias's star 502 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,164 directly in front of this hotel. 503 00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:45,085 And I was like, "I fucking told you to keep an eye on him." 504 00:25:45,168 --> 00:25:48,296 And her face was like, "I was just with this guy for 26 hours." 505 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:49,798 "You couldn't do five minutes?" 506 00:25:50,924 --> 00:25:55,512 We were walking into the Roosevelt Hotel, where Marilyn Monroe used to live, 507 00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:58,682 where they used to hold the Oscars, and up comes Kai. 508 00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:03,103 [JR] We got into the room, 509 00:26:03,186 --> 00:26:07,107 and he immediately was overjoyed to see a minibar. 510 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:10,318 You know, these were not airplane-sized bottles of liquor. 511 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,404 They were enormous bottles of liquor. 512 00:26:12,487 --> 00:26:14,698 Immediately, he cracked open a Jack Daniels 513 00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:16,324 and just started gulping it down. 514 00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:18,159 Gulp. Gulp. Gulp. Gulp. 515 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:24,249 We're not talking pouring it into a glass. We're talking, like, lunatic style. 516 00:26:24,332 --> 00:26:25,750 He was out of control. 517 00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:28,253 I've been around a lot of celebrities, 518 00:26:28,336 --> 00:26:31,047 and I've seen some of them act a little crazy. 519 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:32,674 But nothing like this. 520 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,594 So our next move is, I think we're gonna get something to eat. 521 00:26:35,677 --> 00:26:39,723 He takes his skateboard. We go down to the lobby of this hotel, 522 00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:42,767 and the lobby of this hotel, it's fancy. 523 00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:45,979 There's fancy people here. It's Saturday night on Hollywood Boulevard. 524 00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:48,732 And it's, like, cobblestone. 525 00:26:48,815 --> 00:26:52,152 So he takes his skateboard, rides across, and he goes, 526 00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:54,237 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 527 00:26:54,321 --> 00:26:56,197 all the way across. We get outside. 528 00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:58,867 Three seconds later, the security comes out 529 00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,036 and says, "He can't come back in." 530 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,788 "You're all out." And I'm thinking, 531 00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:06,458 "They don't even know about him peeing in front of the building." 532 00:27:06,541 --> 00:27:09,002 They meant business. "Sir, you are outta here." 533 00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:11,963 And before I know it, we are out on the sidewalk. 534 00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:18,136 And then he took off running ahead of us and pulled out a huge knife 535 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,889 and tried to throw it into the ground. 536 00:27:21,848 --> 00:27:24,351 Okay, like, this is a little scary. 537 00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:29,481 At first, we were intrigued by Kai and finding him and all that stuff, 538 00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:33,151 and… and we were excited about what we were doing. 539 00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:36,696 And now we're kinda like, "Are we okay?" 540 00:27:38,323 --> 00:27:41,159 [JR] If what they were after, my production company, 541 00:27:41,242 --> 00:27:44,704 was this carefree, happy, home-free hitchhiker, 542 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:49,000 who's looking out for the underdog, that was not what this guy was projecting. 543 00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:51,503 They kicked me out for skateboarding in the middle of the thing 544 00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,130 -and drinking a bottle of JD. -[woman] This was-- When was this? 545 00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:56,091 And I peed on the Walk of Fame, 546 00:27:56,174 --> 00:28:00,470 and all these publicity agents are like, "No! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop!" 547 00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:02,847 I was like… [imitates peeing sound] 548 00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:04,599 I'm kickin' it legit. 549 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:08,561 [JR] I was texting, "You are not gonna wanna do a reality show with this guy," 550 00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:10,397 but I guess from their perspective, 551 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,441 it was more just like, "How bad can this guy really be?" 552 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:14,609 "Just get him down here." 553 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,404 "We can talk to him ourselves and form our own opinion." 554 00:28:20,573 --> 00:28:22,951 I don't know why I took it upon myself to think, 555 00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:25,453 "I'm responsible for him. I'm his babysitter, 556 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:27,956 and I need to make sure that he gets on The Kimmel Show." 557 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:31,876 Shouldn't it just be his responsibility or Brad's responsibility? 558 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,795 But all of a sudden, I'm, like, huh, 559 00:28:33,878 --> 00:28:37,465 I don't know if it's a wild or stupid idea. 560 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,008 I had him stay at my house. 561 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:42,762 It's just the two of us. 562 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,305 He was polite. 563 00:28:45,223 --> 00:28:46,391 Played the guitar. 564 00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,643 [singing] 565 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,730 [Lisa] But there was something kinda dangerous about him, 566 00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:53,356 now we're starting to think. 567 00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:09,289 Monday, I'm done. Brad can have him, do what he wants with him. 568 00:29:09,372 --> 00:29:13,668 I'm not even thinking about our TV show, if we're gonna do anything with it or not. 569 00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:18,298 He didn't seem particularly, uh, excited that he was gonna be on The Kimmel Show. 570 00:29:18,381 --> 00:29:22,469 At least he was not letting on that he was overly excited about it. 571 00:29:24,387 --> 00:29:28,558 Lisa and her production team take Kai to the studio. 572 00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:30,727 They pull up and in the back parking lot, 573 00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:33,730 there's this really big Jimmy Kimmel Live! sign 574 00:29:33,813 --> 00:29:37,108 stretched across this chain-link fence. They get out of the car. 575 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,695 First thing Kai does, walks up to the sign and pisses on the sign. 576 00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:43,448 'Course, everyone's like, "What the fuck are you…" [laughs] 577 00:29:43,531 --> 00:29:46,326 "What are you doing?" Security guard comes over. 578 00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:48,328 "What are you doing, bro? You can't do that," 579 00:29:48,411 --> 00:29:51,164 all this stuff that, yes, of course, you can't do that, Kai. 580 00:29:51,247 --> 00:29:54,709 You can't do that. They get him, you know, wrangle him, stop him. 581 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,629 He goes inside. Uh, Jimmy's waiting there. 582 00:29:57,712 --> 00:29:59,839 They take their pictures, do whatever they gotta do, 583 00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:02,634 and then Jimmy hands Kai an envelope. 584 00:30:02,717 --> 00:30:04,844 Inside, there was, like, $500 in it. 585 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,264 Kai takes it and gives it to the security guard 586 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:10,683 and says, "I'm sorry for pissing on the sign." 587 00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:12,644 I remember just thinking, "There's no way in hell 588 00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:14,979 he's actually gonna be on The Jimmy Kimmel Show." 589 00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:18,358 They're gonna see that he's crazy. They're gonna see that he's unstable. 590 00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,736 They're gonna see that he's bad news, and the idea's gonna be jettisoned, 591 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,906 and there's no way he's actually gonna be on the show. 592 00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:27,200 So we're in the green room, 593 00:30:27,283 --> 00:30:30,829 and we're 90 minutes away from the show, 594 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,288 and the police show up. 595 00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:37,043 Hello. There's no picture-taking in here, okay? 596 00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:39,879 Thank you very much. All right, unless you wanna go… 597 00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:42,173 All right, now go on your way. Thanks a lot. 598 00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:45,343 No question, when the police walked in, I knew who they were there for. 599 00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:47,887 And they came, and they grabbed him, and they took him. 600 00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:51,224 And I… I've never been more crestfallen. 601 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:05,321 My name is Jeff Stricker, and in February 2013, 602 00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:09,242 I was a homicide detective with the Fresno County Sheriff's Office. 603 00:31:09,325 --> 00:31:11,953 Jett McBride, who was the driver of the vehicle 604 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:16,249 that smashed into Rayshawn Neely, the PG&E worker, was in custody, 605 00:31:16,332 --> 00:31:18,501 and Kai was our key witness. 606 00:31:18,585 --> 00:31:21,754 The district attorney investigators didn't know where Kai was, 607 00:31:21,838 --> 00:31:25,174 but social media being what it is these days, 608 00:31:25,258 --> 00:31:26,467 Jimmy Kimmel tweeted, 609 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:29,304 "Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker will be on the show." 610 00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:33,975 So they left Fresno and headed on over to LA to meet with Kai. 611 00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:37,437 Some people weren't disappointed that the police came and got him. 612 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,273 Some people were like, "Well, that figures," and-- 613 00:31:40,356 --> 00:31:41,357 But not me. Not me. 614 00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:45,069 I was wrong about this the whole time. I was like, "We gotta get him back." 615 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,489 [reporter] The Fresno County District Attorney's Office enlisted 616 00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,034 the help of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 617 00:31:51,117 --> 00:31:53,578 to track Kai down at the Jimmy Kimmel studio 618 00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:55,038 and take him into custody. 619 00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:57,123 The DA's office served him with a subpoena 620 00:31:57,206 --> 00:32:00,585 and says it needed to get a statement about the attempted murder hate crime 621 00:32:00,668 --> 00:32:03,880 that started this whole thing because he is the key witness. 622 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,091 We're all sweating bullets, you know, probably especially Brad. 623 00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:11,679 Kai's social media is blowing up at this point. 624 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:13,973 I can't even tell you how many hits he's getting. 625 00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:15,391 It's, like, millions. 626 00:32:17,685 --> 00:32:20,521 [Brad] Eventually, about 30 minutes before the show, 627 00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:23,650 the police brought him back. But here's the thing. 628 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:25,652 Everything I do, the lead-up, the build-up, 629 00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:27,445 the calling, getting people to agree, 630 00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:31,240 the only thing I don't have control of is what everybody sees. 631 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:34,744 What's on the air. That's the only part I have no control of, what gets on TV. 632 00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:36,412 And that's only what everybody remembers. 633 00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:38,915 Jessob's in the front row. 634 00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:41,501 I'm pacing in the green room. 635 00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:45,672 We both know, more than other people know, 636 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,508 how sideways this can go. 637 00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:51,094 I'm about to pick up a very special hitchhiker. 638 00:32:51,177 --> 00:32:53,596 Ladies and gentlemen, please say hi to Kai. 639 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,098 Kai, jump in the car. 640 00:33:00,395 --> 00:33:03,356 Kai! Not on the car, in the car. 641 00:33:03,439 --> 00:33:06,442 I don't know if the car can hold your weight. All right, there we go. 642 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:09,362 -[Kai] Keep your eye on the road, man. -[laughing] 643 00:33:09,445 --> 00:33:10,321 Holy [bleep]. 644 00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:12,740 Well, welcome, Kai. Welcome. How are you? 645 00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:15,034 -Excellent. How about yourself? -I'm doing good. 646 00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:17,870 I had very little confidence it would go well for him. 647 00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:20,957 But, man, I was rooting for him. I was rooting for him. 648 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,584 They described you in the video as "homeless hitchhiker," 649 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:25,336 but you don't like the word "homeless." 650 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:26,671 -Home-free. -Home-free. 651 00:33:26,754 --> 00:33:29,257 It's the land of the free and the home of the brave. 652 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,718 You don't want to have a home, correct? 653 00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:34,095 What the hell are you talking about? I am home. 654 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:36,347 -[laughs] Yeah, I see. -[bleep] 655 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:38,975 So anywhere you are is your home. That's your philosophy. 656 00:33:39,058 --> 00:33:41,561 Jimmy handled it so well 'cause Kai had, you know, 657 00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:44,355 in typical Kai fashion, he had some very bizarre answers 658 00:33:44,439 --> 00:33:48,067 and said some very bizarre things, but Jimmy just rolled with it. 659 00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:51,237 A lot of people are calling you a hero because you did. 660 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,407 You thwarted that crazy guy, right? 661 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:58,661 There's not so much difference between him and who they sell as Jesus anyways. 662 00:33:58,745 --> 00:34:01,497 Well, I don't know. I haven't met him. 663 00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:02,790 Did he have a beard? 664 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:04,959 -No. -[laughs] 665 00:34:05,043 --> 00:34:07,920 No, no, he was… he was a fat, rich, white guy. 666 00:34:08,004 --> 00:34:12,216 Now, um, you, uh… Obviously, millions of people have seen-- 667 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,594 Nothing against fat, rich people. 668 00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:16,679 No, fat, white people, yeah. 669 00:34:16,763 --> 00:34:19,140 Yeah, you're sitting next to one. Um… 670 00:34:19,223 --> 00:34:23,269 It's great by Jimmy. I've seen him do this hundreds, hundreds of times, 671 00:34:23,352 --> 00:34:27,148 where the… That is an example of Kai trying to be funny, 672 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:29,025 and Jimmy knowing how to stop it, 673 00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:32,403 say something self-deprecating and move on to the next point. 674 00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:33,905 God, he's good. 675 00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:35,948 Let's step outside the car for one second, 676 00:34:36,032 --> 00:34:39,327 because I don't know if you're gonna give this away immediately, 677 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:40,995 but we have something for you. 678 00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:49,754 There you go. A Mini Mal surfboard and a wetsuit. 679 00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:54,592 Do with it as you will. If you choose to give it away, then so be it. 680 00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:58,596 [laughing] I can't tell you how many people got a hold of me 681 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,350 trying to get him a surfboard and a wetsuit 682 00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:04,769 and all those things he wanted. Just from that line, 683 00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,855 he had hundreds and hundreds of offers. Shit, Jimmy Kimmel gave it to him. 684 00:35:08,564 --> 00:35:09,690 You all right, Kai? 685 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,609 -[cheering and applause] -[Jimmy laughs] 686 00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:14,612 All right. Kai the Hitchhiker, everybody. 687 00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:15,530 Thanks, Kai. 688 00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:18,574 And thanks for not killing me with a hatchet. 689 00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:22,912 Hey, everybody, we got a great show tonight. 690 00:35:22,995 --> 00:35:27,500 Carl Reiner is here. We'll be right back with Mindy Kaling. 691 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:34,799 The whole world was open to him at this point. It really, really was. 692 00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:38,845 So we ask him back the next day to do, like, movie reviews. 693 00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:42,515 [exhaling rhythmically] 694 00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,142 Yeah, okay. Let's watch movies. 695 00:35:44,225 --> 00:35:46,519 [Brad] The next day, we saw a different side of Kai. 696 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,606 He had no possibility of concentrating on anything. 697 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:51,816 Zero Dark Thirty 698 00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:58,281 is about how we're being told to keep our bodies alkaline 699 00:35:58,364 --> 00:36:01,033 and being fed fluoride in the water. 700 00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:03,202 "Kai, just… just… just watch the movie." 701 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:05,997 I think at some point, we're like, "Just watch the trailer." 702 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,624 It's two minutes and 32 seconds. He couldn't get through it. 703 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:11,294 So if they laid a chemtrail over the side of your house 704 00:36:11,377 --> 00:36:12,420 with scopolamine, 705 00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:15,590 and try to get y'all to act like [bleep] zombies 706 00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,884 so they could slay y'all and take your houses, 707 00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,720 then that'd be a good [bleep] way of doing it. 708 00:36:20,803 --> 00:36:24,307 We were barely able to corral him for those eight minutes on that one night. 709 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,310 Him doing a reality TV show would never have worked. 710 00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:29,061 Osama bin Laden was a sheikh. 711 00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:32,064 He never would've done it. So he's gonna show up at 3:45 712 00:36:32,148 --> 00:36:35,526 at some doughnut shop and fake some scene that they wrote? 713 00:36:36,152 --> 00:36:38,779 There's no chance. There's no chance he's doing that. 714 00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:40,656 I mean, no chance. 715 00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:43,951 What a bizarre thing. That would've never worked. 716 00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:50,958 After Kimmel, Jimmy promised him he would take him wherever he'd wanna go. 717 00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:54,295 He said he wanted to go back north and Jimmy lived up to his word. 718 00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:57,131 ♪ Got my temperature rising ♪ 719 00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:01,636 ♪ Yeah, they turning up the heat ♪ 720 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:06,515 From being in a world where nobody is listening to you, 721 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:11,312 now he's in this echo chamber of everything he says, 722 00:37:11,395 --> 00:37:14,732 there's at least a thousand people saying, "That's a great idea." 723 00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:16,275 [woman] I wanna hand hug with you. 724 00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:17,610 -Hand hug? -[woman] Hand hug. 725 00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:19,111 -Thank you so much. -You're welcome. 726 00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:22,365 [man] This notoriety you've developed, is this helping you with women? 727 00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:24,325 Are you dating these days? 728 00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:25,284 [Kai] Am I dating? 729 00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:27,870 [man] Are women coming up to you in a way they haven't before? 730 00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:31,958 [Kai] Uh, yeah, this one girl was trying to see if it was me, 731 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,876 and she walked into a stop sign the other day. 732 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,586 She was kinda mortified. 733 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:38,381 I gave her a big hug, and she was like, "You are Kai!" 734 00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:41,968 He was not hard to keep track of because he was living the dream. 735 00:37:42,051 --> 00:37:46,097 He was pretty damn famous. He'd pop up on different videos of surfing. 736 00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:47,556 Let's go catch a wave. 737 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,851 People wanted him to come perform, playing gigs. At one point, 738 00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:54,272 one of Justin Bieber's people called and asked about him. 739 00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:57,191 It takes one little collab with Justin Bieber 740 00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:58,526 to make a career, I'm sure. 741 00:38:00,987 --> 00:38:03,364 [Brad] People were happy to see him at that point. 742 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:08,828 If he rolled into your town and he just posted, "Went to the local library" 743 00:38:08,911 --> 00:38:13,374 and it's on Facebook and you were 17 to 23 years old, 744 00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:16,043 you're like, "I'll come pick you up. Why not?" 745 00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:19,005 You just saw him save somebody. You just saw him on TV. 746 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,677 There wasn't anything about him at that point that would caution you against it. 747 00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:28,764 [reporter] This made Kai an Internet sensation. 748 00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:30,266 He became a huge hit. 749 00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:32,685 -Or you should say "a huge smash." -Oh yeah! 750 00:38:33,644 --> 00:38:35,646 [harmonica music playing] 751 00:38:44,363 --> 00:38:48,242 So here's the car that Jett McBride and Kai were traveling in 752 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,910 on the day of the incident. 753 00:38:50,578 --> 00:38:51,912 There's still blood on it. 754 00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:55,666 Surprised that anyone would even survive this. 755 00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,671 I didn't really keep track of where Kai was going, 756 00:39:00,755 --> 00:39:04,175 what he was doing, all the attention he was getting, 757 00:39:04,258 --> 00:39:05,634 the talk shows. 758 00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:08,804 I didn't care. I just wanted to make sure that he was back 759 00:39:08,888 --> 00:39:11,599 for the pretrial hearing for Jett McBride. 760 00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:13,434 Kai was our key witness. 761 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,854 He was in the car when they crashed and injured Rayshawn Neely. 762 00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:20,691 He knows what they were talking about. He had all the information. 763 00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:23,110 You couldn't ask for a better witness being in that spot. 764 00:39:23,194 --> 00:39:25,071 -Hey, Tanya. -[Tanya chuckles] 765 00:39:25,154 --> 00:39:26,781 Hey, peeps, how's it going? 766 00:39:29,658 --> 00:39:31,869 In court, details started to emerge. 767 00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:35,039 The picture started to come into focus. 768 00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:38,125 [reporter] Tanya Baker testified that McBride attacked her 769 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:40,127 while she tried to rescue Neely. 770 00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:43,422 He put me into a bear hug and was hitting me on the back. 771 00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:46,008 [reporter] Then Kai stepped in with his hatchet, 772 00:39:46,092 --> 00:39:50,805 hitting McBride over the head not once, not twice, but three times. 773 00:39:51,472 --> 00:39:53,724 [Alex] Knowing who Kai was, 774 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:56,644 part of me wondered what actually happened that day in Fresno. 775 00:39:56,727 --> 00:39:58,938 Was that actually him saving the day? 776 00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:02,024 Was this him being the hero or not? 777 00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:04,485 With no hatchet in hand this time, 778 00:40:04,568 --> 00:40:06,737 the man known as Kai took the stand, 779 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:09,573 not before causing a few observers to chuckle. 780 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:15,329 Just a moment. Listen to the clerk as she states the oath to you 781 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:18,874 so that you can respond to it. You only need one hand up, the right hand. 782 00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:23,587 Kai was asked if he rolled a joint with Jett McBride. 783 00:40:23,671 --> 00:40:27,425 Kai said he did, and in my interview with Jett, 784 00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,177 he was suggesting that Kai made the assumption 785 00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:33,681 that they were both ghosts after they were smoking their marijuana, 786 00:40:33,764 --> 00:40:37,309 and Kai said, "I bet we could drive right through that truck right now 787 00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,228 and nobody would even see us." 788 00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:43,566 He's not perfectly clean in this incident. He's been made out to be a hero. 789 00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:47,862 Um, what he did to stop him from attacking Tanya is commendable, 790 00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:52,074 but he does have some culpability in this. 791 00:40:52,158 --> 00:40:54,535 [reporter] Kai then testified that just before the crash, 792 00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:58,205 McBride proudly told him about raping a 14-year-old girl. 793 00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:01,542 He's like, "Well, I've come to realize I'm Jesus Christ, 794 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:03,627 and I get away with anything I want to. Watch this." 795 00:41:03,711 --> 00:41:09,800 And I look up, and there's a whole crew of construction people in front of me. 796 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,012 Most of them jumped aside. One dude got pinned underneath. 797 00:41:13,095 --> 00:41:17,141 Kai says McBride then turned on several people who tried to help. 798 00:41:17,224 --> 00:41:20,144 He's still holding onto her, so I smashed him again. 799 00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:24,231 And he's still holding onto her hair. I was like [bleep]. 800 00:41:24,315 --> 00:41:26,525 I smashed him real good and hard. 801 00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:28,986 Initially, when Kai was hitting him, 802 00:41:29,069 --> 00:41:31,739 he was using the dull part, the back of the hatchet. 803 00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:36,410 And a third strike, he turned it around and used the sharp edge of it. 804 00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:39,705 [Brad] Hitting someone in the head with a hatchet three times, 805 00:41:39,788 --> 00:41:41,332 blunt side or not, 806 00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:42,374 is violent. 807 00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:44,585 And yet because of his demeanor, 808 00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,338 for me, it got clouded. 809 00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:51,634 And all I saw was the kind Kai. 810 00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:55,262 The violent Kai, who showed himself to me right there, 811 00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:57,473 I didn't see it. 812 00:41:57,556 --> 00:41:59,642 In the original interview, when I first talked to him, 813 00:41:59,725 --> 00:42:03,896 I asked him at one point, "Have you ever been a part of something like this?" 814 00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:06,482 Well, this one time, I was in an orchard, 815 00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:10,361 and this fucking guy starts beating on this woman who he calls "his." 816 00:42:10,444 --> 00:42:13,405 So I walked on over, and I started smashing him in the head. 817 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:16,742 You see all these teeth marks right here, for the camera? 818 00:42:16,825 --> 00:42:20,496 Yeah, I started smashing him in the head and the teeth, busted out all his teeth. 819 00:42:20,579 --> 00:42:23,707 Yeah, he saved a woman. At the same time, it's a little extreme, 820 00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:26,794 bragging about your knuckles still being scarred 821 00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:30,464 and not just stopping the assault, but beating the dude, you know? 822 00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:34,218 It's the same thing when I asked him about hitting the driver with the hatchet. 823 00:42:34,301 --> 00:42:35,803 It's like, "Yeah, I cleaved him." 824 00:42:35,886 --> 00:42:38,847 He was like, "Yes, I'm proud of it, and it felt good." 825 00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:42,851 It was almost kind of a relief to him, and that's a scary thought. 826 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:52,945 [Jessob] What are you planning on doing now that the attention is on you? 827 00:42:53,028 --> 00:42:57,157 Because these things do have a shelf life. It's gonna start to fade away. 828 00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:59,952 [Kai] This badass mother[bleep] doesn't come with a shelf life. 829 00:43:00,035 --> 00:43:03,872 I don't fit on a shelf. Yeah, yeah, I don't fit inside time limits either. 830 00:43:03,956 --> 00:43:06,875 People are actually interested in not just the fact 831 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:11,422 that I smashed a dude with a hatchet who was trying to mass murder some people, 832 00:43:11,505 --> 00:43:14,508 but also in that I play some legit music. 833 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,844 I play punk. I play grind. 834 00:43:16,927 --> 00:43:20,598 I play, like, serious metal. I can play, like, six different instruments. 835 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,769 There's been recording offers for me from places like Greenhouse Records 836 00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:27,855 and, uh, Universal. 837 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,111 My name is Gabriel Francisco. 838 00:43:34,194 --> 00:43:36,822 I'm the lead singer of a band called the Redcoats. 839 00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:38,198 ♪ Hello ♪ 840 00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:40,200 ♪ Who are you? ♪ 841 00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:43,662 ♪ Where am I And where you going to? ♪ 842 00:43:43,746 --> 00:43:46,040 ♪ I said hello… ♪ 843 00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:48,375 [Gabriel] I was asked, "Do you wanna do a show with Kai?" 844 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,087 I thought, "Like Kai Kai? Like, the hatchet guy?" 845 00:43:52,171 --> 00:43:54,965 I thought, "This guy is ridiculous." [chuckles] 846 00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:57,509 But then I saw a video of him playing the acoustic guitar… 847 00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:06,101 and I thought, "It's not bad." 848 00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:08,437 ♪ I've never seen A beauty like you before ♪ 849 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,397 ♪ Breathless kisses through the door… ♪ 850 00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:15,402 He has a nice voice and just sounds like a campfire guy with an acoustic guitar. 851 00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:19,031 We said yes because we wanted Kai's crowd. [chuckles] 852 00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,283 We wanted who was gonna come out to see Kai, 853 00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:24,161 and then we wanted to kill it and win them over. 854 00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:26,246 I mean, that's what you do. It's like Rock Band. 855 00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:29,083 "You made 20 fans tonight." "You made 50 fans." 856 00:44:30,584 --> 00:44:35,047 [man] Kai came in to Fresno like a big ball of fire. 857 00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:37,549 He comes in for soundcheck, 858 00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:42,596 and I feel I'm a good judge of character. I just was put off by him pretty quickly 859 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,767 just the way he talked, interacted, and treated my staff. 860 00:44:48,018 --> 00:44:51,605 He'd walk up to the bar almost demanding, like, a free beer 861 00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:55,693 because of who he was, and it's like, "Yeah, you know, we don't do that here." 862 00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:59,071 But then he would go out and get somebody to buy his drinks for him. 863 00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:03,784 [Gabriel] We do soundcheck, and he was talking about that day, 864 00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:07,037 the day that he hit the man on the head with a hatchet. 865 00:45:07,121 --> 00:45:09,248 And in Kai's words, he's bragging, 866 00:45:09,331 --> 00:45:11,458 he says, "Oh man, you know, this guy picks me up, 867 00:45:11,542 --> 00:45:14,837 and I offer him a joint, and he can't even handle his shit, man, 868 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,755 because, like, I hand him a joint, 869 00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:20,634 but what he didn't know was it was laced, man. And it was…" 870 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:23,220 He starts listing drugs. I don't know what they are. 871 00:45:23,303 --> 00:45:29,143 But what Kai explicitly told me was that he handed this man a laced joint, 872 00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:31,270 and then Kai proceeds to tell me, 873 00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:35,190 "Then he starts flipping out over nothing 'cause he can't handle his shit," 874 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:36,483 and he's laughing. 875 00:45:36,567 --> 00:45:39,570 And I'm horrified, and he's telling a group of people, 876 00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:43,365 and they're all laughing. No one's listening to what he's saying, 877 00:45:43,449 --> 00:45:45,909 and I'm standing there, and I'm thinking, "Oh my God." 878 00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:48,787 "Kai just confessed something huge." 879 00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:50,330 "He drugged this guy?" 880 00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:52,791 That's like starting a fire, 881 00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:56,003 and then putting the fire out and being called a hero. 882 00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:03,343 So I understand that the police have tested the marijuana 883 00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:05,971 and they did toxicology on the driver. 884 00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:08,015 But, honestly, if you think about this, 885 00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:11,351 what if there's something that just didn't show up on the test? 886 00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:19,568 And then he was talking about life and having a positive attitude. 887 00:46:19,651 --> 00:46:22,154 "You just gotta go through, man," and it's very hippie, 888 00:46:22,237 --> 00:46:23,781 and then, out of nowhere, he said, 889 00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:26,492 "Unless some old man fucks you in the ass, 890 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:29,620 and you have to keep it real and take him out." 891 00:46:29,703 --> 00:46:31,330 And it was so bizarre. 892 00:46:32,331 --> 00:46:35,626 And then he, like a switch, went back to, 893 00:46:36,794 --> 00:46:39,797 "Everything's fine," and everybody kinda just accepted that. 894 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,676 And that was another one of those things where I thought, "What just happened?" 895 00:46:45,177 --> 00:46:47,304 And I went inside, and I was kind of shaken 896 00:46:47,387 --> 00:46:50,182 and going, "I have to play this show now with this knowledge," 897 00:46:50,265 --> 00:46:52,226 and our drummer's mom, who's a photographer, 898 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:55,813 says, "Gabe, get next to Kai. Come take a picture." 899 00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:58,065 And I thought, "Oh my God." 900 00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:01,527 "I don't wanna be seen with this man when all of this comes out," 901 00:47:01,610 --> 00:47:04,404 'cause I was thinking, "This is gonna come out." 902 00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:05,948 "This is gonna be huge." 903 00:47:06,573 --> 00:47:07,574 And it never did. 904 00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:10,410 ♪ Step it up You gotta jump away first ♪ 905 00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:13,288 [Gabriel] I honestly don't even remember staying for Kai's show. 906 00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:16,875 I was kinda shaken up that night by how he behaved. 907 00:47:16,959 --> 00:47:20,254 ♪ If you wake up dead Bullets in your head ♪ 908 00:47:20,337 --> 00:47:23,090 ♪ I'm killing you, one by fucking one ♪ 909 00:47:23,173 --> 00:47:26,218 ♪ Not regretting a thing Of what I've done ♪ 910 00:47:26,301 --> 00:47:28,929 [Tony] I ended up kicking him out after his performance 911 00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:31,682 for urinating on one of our bushes. 912 00:47:31,765 --> 00:47:35,143 It's like, "Yeah, you don't come and disrespect our place like this." 913 00:47:35,227 --> 00:47:36,770 He burned bridges. 914 00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:40,232 It's a big city, but it has a small-town feel. 915 00:47:40,315 --> 00:47:43,318 If you get burned in this town, word spreads. 916 00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:45,445 My last words were, "Get the fuck outta here." 917 00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:50,993 When I look at Kai, I don't know what his headspace is. 918 00:47:51,076 --> 00:47:53,579 I don't know how healthy his headspace is. 919 00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:01,211 But I think that living carefree and lawlessly for so long, 920 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,089 he didn't have a sense of consequences. 921 00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:09,386 People gave him a lot of opportunity, 922 00:48:09,469 --> 00:48:11,430 and I think he got in that mindset, like, 923 00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:13,390 "This is Kai's world now," you know? 924 00:48:13,473 --> 00:48:15,642 Because there was a lot of people filling his head 925 00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:19,438 with things he can do and get away with, and maybe that backfired a little bit. 926 00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:21,064 [man] So I'm sure you know 927 00:48:21,148 --> 00:48:23,650 who Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker is by now. 928 00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:25,360 He is all over YouTube. 929 00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:28,405 He's everybody's favorite hero right now, but, uh, I actually met him. 930 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,658 Are you his agent? 931 00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:35,120 Am I his agent? No, I don't have, nor am I had by anybody. 932 00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:38,665 But no matter what you've done, you deserve respect. 933 00:48:38,749 --> 00:48:41,251 No matter your looks or your skills, you're worthwhile. 934 00:48:41,335 --> 00:48:42,502 No, this is for everyone. 935 00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:46,006 And it doesn't matter, like, if you make mistakes, 936 00:48:46,089 --> 00:48:48,717 you're still lovable. There's four different types of love. 937 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,762 There's putting up with somebody. There's liking somebody. 938 00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:55,140 There's, then, like, romantically liking somebody, 939 00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:59,269 and there's, like, actually be willing to kill somebody else for somebody. 940 00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:00,896 Like, sacrificial love. 941 00:49:02,314 --> 00:49:06,193 [Jessob] The Kimmel Show was 100% the peak. 942 00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:09,154 The viral fame started, and it just snowballed and snowballed, 943 00:49:09,237 --> 00:49:10,864 so the fame was growing. It was more fun. 944 00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:13,742 More things were happening for Kai, and things were getting more amazing. 945 00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:17,579 Then all of a sudden, Jimmy Kimmel's here, 'cause it was the best, and then… 946 00:49:19,414 --> 00:49:20,624 slowly just came down and… 947 00:49:21,917 --> 00:49:26,672 [Brad] For most people, what they know of him is something maybe we wanna be. 948 00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:30,801 Maybe many of us don't want the responsibilities we have, 949 00:49:30,884 --> 00:49:33,845 the bills and the cars and the insurance and the property taxes, 950 00:49:33,929 --> 00:49:37,224 and this guy was living that life without those responsibilities, 951 00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:39,059 and it was going well. 952 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:41,603 And then… then it didn't. 953 00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:43,230 It's a much more sad existence 954 00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:47,901 than maybe the exhilarating or free experience people think. 955 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,790 [siren blares] 956 00:50:04,251 --> 00:50:06,795 Friday, May 10th, 2013, 957 00:50:06,878 --> 00:50:09,548 a little over three months after, uh, the incident 958 00:50:09,631 --> 00:50:12,009 that started this whole incredible journey, 959 00:50:12,092 --> 00:50:14,386 he shows up in New York City 960 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:20,475 and posted this disturbing and, um, ominous Facebook post. 961 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,603 He talked about this being his Mother's Day message, 962 00:50:23,687 --> 00:50:26,523 and it's not what you would expect from a Mother's Day message. 963 00:50:26,606 --> 00:50:27,441 It reads, 964 00:50:27,983 --> 00:50:32,237 "First memories I was in a crib and 'family' was fussin over me." 965 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,782 "But I kept getting told that 'I had a demon.'" 966 00:50:36,908 --> 00:50:39,286 "I would get locked in a room for 20 hours a day 967 00:50:39,369 --> 00:50:42,289 with a little porta potty camp toilet in the corner of the room." 968 00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:45,917 "Then after that my mouth filled with hot pepper and soap 969 00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:48,336 for yelling fuck you at the top of my lungs." 970 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:50,964 Signing off, "happy Mother's Day." 971 00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:52,340 Huh. 972 00:50:52,966 --> 00:50:55,886 And, of course, you know, I remember when I met him 973 00:50:55,969 --> 00:50:58,597 for the first time after the original incident in Stockton, 974 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,807 and we sat down for that lengthy interview, 975 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:02,934 he definitely disclosed 976 00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:06,938 some really, really terrible things that happened to him. 977 00:51:07,022 --> 00:51:11,068 And, you know, obviously in the medium I was working in, local news, 978 00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:13,361 you can't put a lot of that stuff on TV. 979 00:51:13,445 --> 00:51:15,405 I just turned 17 on the road. 980 00:51:15,489 --> 00:51:18,575 There was this guy, and he held me down, 981 00:51:18,658 --> 00:51:22,496 and then he, like, hit me a couple times, and he started choking me. 982 00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:28,043 Uh, he turned me over and he pulled my pants down and started raping me. 983 00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:30,587 As this was happening and Kai was laying on the ground, 984 00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:33,507 that's when he said, you know, he looked up to the sky 985 00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:37,469 and, uh, saw this crow fly over in that moment 986 00:51:37,552 --> 00:51:40,806 and told him, "Get up, fight for yourself, and run." 987 00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:43,934 And that's what he did, and he got away from the guy. 988 00:51:44,017 --> 00:51:48,105 Um, and, you know, I don't know if he saw that guy again 989 00:51:48,188 --> 00:51:50,190 or if that guy ever got in trouble for it, 990 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:54,027 but, um, you know, a lot of it seems hard to believe, 991 00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:57,072 but, you know, I'm in no place to tell him it didn't happen. 992 00:51:57,572 --> 00:52:00,534 So all I'm left to believe is that it happened. 993 00:52:00,617 --> 00:52:02,244 Tell me more. 994 00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:05,372 Oh, bro. Okay, you want me to start from when I was a kid? 995 00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:07,624 I was locked in a cage for fucking four years 996 00:52:07,707 --> 00:52:09,126 and treated like an animal. 997 00:52:09,209 --> 00:52:12,712 Uh, they installed a lock on the door that went from the outside in 998 00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:16,591 so that they could sit and watch TV and fuck and shit. 999 00:52:17,175 --> 00:52:19,010 You get kinda jaded with interviews, 1000 00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:24,474 and you kinda have, like, a truth meter on if what they're saying is accurate, 1001 00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:28,520 and I didn't know if it was 100% true. 1002 00:52:29,729 --> 00:52:33,483 But even if, like, 50% of what he was saying was true, 1003 00:52:33,567 --> 00:52:35,944 he had a horrible, horrible childhood. 1004 00:52:49,708 --> 00:52:53,628 My name's Jeremy McGillivary Wolfe, and I'm Kai's first cousin. 1005 00:52:54,254 --> 00:52:56,089 He was my brother, basically. 1006 00:52:57,215 --> 00:53:02,262 Seeing him on Kimmel and that, just wow. This guy's going viral big-time, 1007 00:53:02,345 --> 00:53:05,182 and I was in shock, like, the whole time. 1008 00:53:05,265 --> 00:53:08,185 I'm still in shock to this day, to tell you the truth. 1009 00:53:08,727 --> 00:53:12,522 This was someone I grew up with giving this outrageous interview. 1010 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:18,111 But I never knew him as Kai, not once. I just knew him as Caleb. 1011 00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:22,157 I heard Kai for the first time during the YouTube video. 1012 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,700 I don't have any family. 1013 00:53:24,534 --> 00:53:29,164 Like, as far as anybody I grew up with is concerned, I'm already dead. 1014 00:53:29,247 --> 00:53:30,832 So, whatever. 1015 00:53:31,833 --> 00:53:36,922 I felt bad after he said that, and, like, we care about you, you know? 1016 00:53:37,005 --> 00:53:40,050 You shouldn't feel that way. We always did. 1017 00:53:40,133 --> 00:53:43,887 Like, no matter if we have an argument, the love doesn't stop there. 1018 00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:50,310 Caleb's parents had split up when he was four. 1019 00:53:51,311 --> 00:53:52,812 Growing up, he was loud. 1020 00:53:52,896 --> 00:53:54,689 He was funny and mischievous. 1021 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:56,274 Very mischievous. 1022 00:53:57,651 --> 00:53:59,819 I was able to act like a boy, 1023 00:53:59,903 --> 00:54:02,822 and I was able to go outside and play. 1024 00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:04,908 Caleb wasn't given that privilege. 1025 00:54:04,991 --> 00:54:06,993 He was kept at home. 1026 00:54:07,869 --> 00:54:10,830 His mom locked him in a room for quite some time, 1027 00:54:11,331 --> 00:54:14,042 and when… She tried to lock me in a room as well. 1028 00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:16,544 We had just finished supper. It was summertime, 1029 00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,546 and the window was open, 1030 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:21,007 so you could hear kids still playing outside. 1031 00:54:21,091 --> 00:54:23,051 But there was dark blankets on the window, 1032 00:54:23,134 --> 00:54:26,137 so it was completely blacked out to make it look like it was night. 1033 00:54:26,221 --> 00:54:28,306 So we knew he had it difficult. 1034 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:32,143 This one time, he tried to start a fire in his house, 1035 00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:36,940 and then, not long after, his mom decided that she couldn't cope with him anymore. 1036 00:54:37,607 --> 00:54:40,527 He was 13 when he went to Bosco Homes, 1037 00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:43,530 which is a place where they take troubled teens, I guess, 1038 00:54:43,613 --> 00:54:47,575 that, um, got in trouble in their youth and had no home 1039 00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,954 or just come from families that didn't want them, I guess. 1040 00:54:51,705 --> 00:54:53,498 Um, if you're still watching this, 1041 00:54:53,581 --> 00:54:56,042 that means that you obviously like what you see, 1042 00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,461 so that's very nice and very pretty. 1043 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:01,798 You may notice that my eyes seem very dark. 1044 00:55:02,674 --> 00:55:05,468 In fact, maybe the whole picture seems dark right now. 1045 00:55:06,761 --> 00:55:10,015 Something I think Madame Guyon called "the dark night of the soul." 1046 00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:11,975 [Jeremy] The littlest thing would trigger him. 1047 00:55:12,058 --> 00:55:14,728 Caleb didn't realize whether you were laughing with him 1048 00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:16,563 or you were laughing at him, 1049 00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:21,026 and he would get so angry if he thought you were teasing him or making fun of him. 1050 00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:23,445 He would go into these little rages, 1051 00:55:23,528 --> 00:55:25,071 and then snap outta them. 1052 00:55:30,243 --> 00:55:32,037 ♪ When I was four ♪ 1053 00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:34,497 ♪ I had a lighter ♪ 1054 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:40,211 ♪ Tried to burn my parent's house Right to the ground… ♪ 1055 00:55:40,295 --> 00:55:44,049 I honestly believe Caleb has, like, mental… mental issues 1056 00:55:44,132 --> 00:55:46,926 because he seems well, 1057 00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:50,096 but when it comes to a certain situation of pressure, 1058 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,224 you either become a diamond or you get crushed. 1059 00:55:53,308 --> 00:55:56,978 And in this case, Caleb gets crushed. 1060 00:55:57,062 --> 00:55:58,229 ♪ I mean, it's like ♪ 1061 00:55:58,313 --> 00:55:59,147 [chuckles] 1062 00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:01,358 ♪ We all wild and feral inside ♪ 1063 00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:03,443 ♪ Ain't nothin' That you gotta try and hide ♪ 1064 00:56:09,491 --> 00:56:11,743 I'm Shirley. I'm Caleb's mother. 1065 00:56:11,826 --> 00:56:15,288 He's also known as Kai, and I go by the given name 1066 00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:18,416 because of what it means. Bold and courageous. 1067 00:56:19,084 --> 00:56:20,752 I didn't ever lock him in a room. 1068 00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:22,420 Like, "lock him in a room." 1069 00:56:22,504 --> 00:56:27,217 Um, I had to put, uh, for a short period of time, 1070 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:31,846 uh, the ability… stop the ability of him getting out of the room too early 1071 00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:34,140 because he was a free spirit 1072 00:56:34,224 --> 00:56:38,561 and would get up earlier than I did and get into stuff that could harm him 1073 00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:42,190 and, being a responsible parent, needed to not allow that to happen. 1074 00:56:42,273 --> 00:56:44,150 And it was for a short period of time. 1075 00:56:44,234 --> 00:56:48,822 For his best interest and the, you know, safety, you know, of a little guy. 1076 00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:52,117 Not really understanding what's going on, 1077 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:57,330 the medical field wondered if he, you know, had ADHD and things like that. 1078 00:56:57,414 --> 00:57:00,291 But kind of in the end, 1079 00:57:00,375 --> 00:57:03,211 there wasn't actually one diagnosis that was anything. 1080 00:57:03,294 --> 00:57:06,756 It was kind of their grasp at, "How do we… How do we help?" 1081 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,008 "How do we do this? How do we navigate this?" 1082 00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:10,468 And… And time… 1083 00:57:11,344 --> 00:57:12,470 Time did it. 1084 00:57:12,554 --> 00:57:14,639 Smash! Smash! 1085 00:57:14,722 --> 00:57:16,599 -Smash! -Is that really you? 1086 00:57:16,683 --> 00:57:18,810 -Oh yeah. -Dude, come here, please. Please. 1087 00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:20,103 Hey, smash! 1088 00:57:20,186 --> 00:57:24,232 Can you buy me a bottle if you can take 17 pictures of me? 1089 00:57:24,315 --> 00:57:26,776 -This is a video. We'll give you a beer. -Smash guy! 1090 00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:29,028 -Smash! -Smash! 1091 00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:30,655 -Smash! -Oh shit! 1092 00:57:31,197 --> 00:57:32,574 Smash! Smash! 1093 00:57:32,657 --> 00:57:35,285 -Smash! -Fucking hero right here. 1094 00:57:35,368 --> 00:57:36,953 -Smash! -[man] Oh! 1095 00:57:37,036 --> 00:57:39,247 [indistinct chatter] 1096 00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:42,208 I didn't realize he had become very famous, 1097 00:57:42,292 --> 00:57:46,212 and there's real, genuine people out there who wanted to reach out 1098 00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:49,090 and say, "Way to go, buddy," and, "Hey, we're here for you." 1099 00:57:49,174 --> 00:57:51,801 And I don't think that part was necessarily bad. 1100 00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:54,762 Loves people. Very much an outgoing person. 1101 00:57:55,847 --> 00:57:59,476 But I was a bit concerned because he's a very trusting person, 1102 00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,811 and I know that not everybody should be trusted. 1103 00:58:01,895 --> 00:58:06,900 "Are you the real Kai? Are you the real Kai? Is that really you?" 1104 00:58:06,983 --> 00:58:08,443 "Did that really happen?" 1105 00:58:08,526 --> 00:58:12,322 And it's, like, if you was a lot bigger than you are, 1106 00:58:12,405 --> 00:58:14,407 I'd just reach out, and I'd be like, "Smack!" 1107 00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:15,700 "Does that feel real?" 1108 00:58:15,783 --> 00:58:18,870 Caleb is a person who's always led with his heart. 1109 00:58:19,662 --> 00:58:21,873 And because of that, he's very trusting. 1110 00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:25,168 I'm not sure that's always healthy for people, 1111 00:58:25,251 --> 00:58:27,879 and I certainly see in the situation with my son 1112 00:58:27,962 --> 00:58:31,883 where I'm not sure it was the best, um, 1113 00:58:31,966 --> 00:58:37,055 in that it… I think it put him in a situation that possibly set him up. 1114 00:58:37,597 --> 00:58:38,932 [woman] What do you mean? 1115 00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:41,851 As in that he was trusting the wrong people. 1116 00:58:53,571 --> 00:58:56,491 [reporter] Concerns this morning in a New Jersey neighborhood 1117 00:58:56,574 --> 00:58:59,869 as police try to solve the killing of a well-known attorney. 1118 00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:02,830 The 73-year-old victim was discovered inside his home 1119 00:59:02,914 --> 00:59:05,333 on Starlite Drive in Clark. 1120 00:59:05,416 --> 00:59:09,504 That's where Joseph Galfy lived for the past 15 years. 1121 00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:14,217 Friends knew something was wrong when Galfy didn't show up for work Monday. 1122 00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:19,847 They called 911, and police found him inside his home beaten to death. 1123 00:59:22,976 --> 00:59:27,021 I'm Bob Ellenport, friend of Joe Galfy, my backyard neighbor. 1124 00:59:27,105 --> 00:59:31,401 I received a phone call from Joe Galfy's secretary, 1125 00:59:31,484 --> 00:59:35,071 and it said that Joe was scheduled to be in court, 1126 00:59:35,154 --> 00:59:36,781 and he didn't show up, 1127 00:59:36,864 --> 00:59:39,742 and she couldn't reach him on his, uh, cell phone. 1128 00:59:39,826 --> 00:59:43,371 Could I check and see if anyone was home? 1129 00:59:43,454 --> 00:59:45,873 And so I walked over 1130 00:59:45,957 --> 00:59:48,960 and saw that the Sunday newspaper 1131 00:59:49,043 --> 00:59:52,422 and the Monday newspaper were still on Joe's front stoop. 1132 00:59:53,923 --> 00:59:56,593 [man] Joseph Galfy's New York Times was still on the front porch. 1133 00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:59,637 That was kind of odd because he was a guy who stuck to his schedule. 1134 00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:02,223 He was, uh, somebody who picked up his paper every morning. 1135 01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:04,976 So the fact that it was there was concerning enough 1136 01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:06,936 to call the police to do a welfare check. 1137 01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:09,188 [man] The home itself, 1138 01:00:09,272 --> 01:00:11,274 everything looked in place, 1139 01:00:11,357 --> 01:00:12,900 nothing ransacked. 1140 01:00:12,984 --> 01:00:17,030 But as they go room to room and eventually get to the master bedroom 1141 01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:20,617 is where they discover Joe Galfy's lifeless body. 1142 01:00:23,786 --> 01:00:27,707 He's on the floor, you know, just clothed in underwear and socks, 1143 01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:29,334 lying in a pool of blood. 1144 01:00:29,834 --> 01:00:32,211 Once you go into a house, basically any house, 1145 01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:34,172 you're looking for signs of a struggle. 1146 01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:37,592 Were things out of place? Were drawers ransacked? 1147 01:00:37,675 --> 01:00:39,302 Things toppled over? 1148 01:00:39,802 --> 01:00:41,638 But this house didn't have any of that. 1149 01:00:42,138 --> 01:00:45,850 This house was very neat, very organized. There was no forced entry. 1150 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,312 But then in the family room, 1151 01:00:49,395 --> 01:00:52,565 there's a laptop on a stand next to a chair, 1152 01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:55,652 and under the computer is a phone number 1153 01:00:56,277 --> 01:00:58,112 with the name "Lawrence Kai." 1154 01:00:58,613 --> 01:01:02,492 We didn't know who Kai was until we googled him. 1155 01:01:03,785 --> 01:01:06,329 And up popped a video. 1156 01:01:06,954 --> 01:01:09,374 And in the video, he had a hatchet, 1157 01:01:09,457 --> 01:01:12,377 and he described exactly what he was doing, 1158 01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:16,089 and I believe it was, "Bam! Bam! Bam!" 1159 01:01:16,964 --> 01:01:18,675 Made you stop and think. 1160 01:01:18,758 --> 01:01:21,260 Could he be responsible for something like this? 1161 01:01:21,761 --> 01:01:25,890 So as we're scouring the master bedroom where… where Mr. Galfy's body was found, 1162 01:01:25,973 --> 01:01:29,727 one of the detectives brought to my attention a train ticket, 1163 01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:32,438 and the date of the ticket was the day before. 1164 01:01:32,522 --> 01:01:36,150 Sunday. It was Mother's Day, 9:38 a.m. 1165 01:01:36,234 --> 01:01:39,195 So we sent people to the train station to see if there's video. 1166 01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:43,408 And we're looking to see if we could see the deceased Mr. Galfy. 1167 01:01:46,494 --> 01:01:49,580 [Rob] We don't get video right away oftentimes, 1168 01:01:49,664 --> 01:01:51,165 but in this case, we did. 1169 01:01:53,501 --> 01:01:56,379 And in the video, you could see Mr. Galfy, 1170 01:01:56,462 --> 01:01:59,382 and you can clearly see him purchase a ticket, 1171 01:01:59,465 --> 01:02:03,386 and he takes the ticket, and he turns, and he gives it to somebody off-camera. 1172 01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:13,604 And you can see it's another male, longish hair, 1173 01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:17,900 sorta curly, with a backpack, and they're waiting for the train to come. 1174 01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:25,950 [Dean] So we have this information on this Internet phenom, 1175 01:02:26,033 --> 01:02:27,785 Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker, 1176 01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:31,122 as I think they named him out in California. 1177 01:02:31,205 --> 01:02:34,917 And we're looking at this video of New Jersey Transit 1178 01:02:35,001 --> 01:02:37,462 and saying to ourselves, "Is this possible?" 1179 01:02:37,962 --> 01:02:40,256 "Is this the same guy out in California?" 1180 01:02:44,135 --> 01:02:45,845 So a call was made 1181 01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:48,222 to the Fresno, California police department. 1182 01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:52,101 I talked to this detective who has a pretty heavy East Coast accent. 1183 01:02:52,185 --> 01:02:54,395 He says, "Hey, we're looking for a guy." 1184 01:02:54,479 --> 01:02:58,065 "Uh, he might be involved in a murder, but we're not sure at this point." 1185 01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:01,194 "It's some homeless guy. He was in Fresno a while back," 1186 01:03:01,277 --> 01:03:03,613 and I say, "Kai? Are you looking for Kai?" 1187 01:03:03,696 --> 01:03:06,157 And he's like, "Give me all the information you have," 1188 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,784 so I get him everything I have. 1189 01:03:07,867 --> 01:03:10,995 And when we gave him the name we had, Lawrence Kai, 1190 01:03:11,078 --> 01:03:15,458 they said, "Oh yeah, we know him as Kai, but his name is Caleb McGillvary." 1191 01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:19,212 He kinda puts the phone away, and I can hear him yell to the room, like, 1192 01:03:19,295 --> 01:03:21,255 "Hey, we finally found the motherfucker!" 1193 01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:25,259 You know, it was an a-ha moment for us. It was, "Bingo. I think we have the guy." 1194 01:03:26,469 --> 01:03:29,722 And we learned from them that this guy's a nomad. 1195 01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:31,432 He lives off the earth. 1196 01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:33,935 He lives off the kindness of others. 1197 01:03:34,018 --> 01:03:35,561 He's an opportunist. 1198 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:39,357 So the chance of him traveling cross-country 1199 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,151 and being in New York is likely. 1200 01:03:42,235 --> 01:03:47,448 It gave us further confirmation that this guy, Kai, is our suspect. 1201 01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:49,158 [Rob] So now we had to find Kai 1202 01:03:49,242 --> 01:03:51,661 He had a phone, but that was dead. 1203 01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:54,872 So then it was out to the public. We released a press statement. 1204 01:03:54,956 --> 01:03:57,750 Breaking news. Minutes ago, we learned who police are searching for 1205 01:03:57,834 --> 01:03:59,836 in the murder of a lawyer in Clark, New Jersey. 1206 01:03:59,961 --> 01:04:03,339 Wait until you hear who they are looking for. 1207 01:04:03,422 --> 01:04:05,299 Caleb Lawrence McGillvary. 1208 01:04:05,383 --> 01:04:11,013 You might also know him as Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker. 1209 01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,475 He should be considered armed and dangerous. 1210 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:15,852 They don't know where he is. 1211 01:04:15,935 --> 01:04:19,689 He relies on the generosity of strangers for food and lodging. 1212 01:04:19,772 --> 01:04:21,899 Remember, he's a hitchhiker. He could be anywhere. 1213 01:04:22,483 --> 01:04:24,819 Will he try to kill again? Will he kill again? 1214 01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:29,073 The thrill of the hunt is on. 1215 01:04:33,786 --> 01:04:35,788 [Jessob] I immediately reached out to him. 1216 01:04:35,872 --> 01:04:38,708 I wanna talk to him and figure out what the fuck is going on. 1217 01:04:39,208 --> 01:04:43,087 When you find out that the authorities are, you know, looking for someone 1218 01:04:43,170 --> 01:04:46,966 that you've kind of grown to care about and you have a nice relationship with, 1219 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:49,302 now they're looking, you know, at him for murder, 1220 01:04:49,385 --> 01:04:50,761 I'm a mental mess. 1221 01:04:51,637 --> 01:04:54,599 [Shirley] One of my sons that lived close to me came to the door. 1222 01:04:54,682 --> 01:04:56,976 I said, "How are you doing?" He said, "Mom, have you heard?" 1223 01:04:57,476 --> 01:04:58,811 I said, "Have I heard what?" 1224 01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:01,480 He said, "Have you heard that Caleb's wanted for murder?" 1225 01:05:02,231 --> 01:05:03,399 And I'm like, 1226 01:05:04,483 --> 01:05:07,612 "Nope, haven't heard that. Crap, what happened?" 1227 01:05:07,695 --> 01:05:11,032 My name is Ted Romankow. I'm the Union County prosecutor. 1228 01:05:11,824 --> 01:05:17,663 Uh, we're here today to announce that an arrest warrant has been issued 1229 01:05:17,747 --> 01:05:21,918 for the arrest of, uh, Caleb, uh, McGillvary. 1230 01:05:22,001 --> 01:05:24,795 We felt he was dangerous. I mean, here's a man who was… 1231 01:05:24,879 --> 01:05:27,798 He attacked someone in California with a hatchet. 1232 01:05:27,882 --> 01:05:30,718 He didn't know that driver more than a few hours, 1233 01:05:30,801 --> 01:05:32,345 and he attacked him. 1234 01:05:32,428 --> 01:05:34,889 And he was roaming around our area somewhere, 1235 01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:37,475 and we thought he was an extremely dangerous character, 1236 01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:39,560 so we advised the public of that. 1237 01:05:40,978 --> 01:05:43,606 We don't know where he is, but we do know 1238 01:05:43,689 --> 01:05:46,275 that this man is used to being on the road, 1239 01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:49,987 and he is considered dangerous. 1240 01:05:50,071 --> 01:05:51,572 Make no mistake about it. 1241 01:05:51,656 --> 01:05:53,908 He is considered armed and dangerous. 1242 01:05:56,661 --> 01:05:57,954 [Lisa] My first thought is, like, 1243 01:05:58,037 --> 01:06:01,082 "Holy fucking shit. Like, this guy stayed at my house." 1244 01:06:01,165 --> 01:06:03,793 "I could've been killed. You know, something could've happened." 1245 01:06:04,627 --> 01:06:07,129 I thought, "Are the police even gonna find this guy?" 1246 01:06:07,213 --> 01:06:09,048 'Cause he can easily disappear. 1247 01:06:10,675 --> 01:06:13,636 I knew that Kai as a witness was hard to track down, 1248 01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,264 and I kinda had some sympathy for the detectives with, 1249 01:06:17,348 --> 01:06:20,059 "How are they gonna track him down as a suspect?" 1250 01:06:21,852 --> 01:06:24,563 I got flooded with emails, flooded with messages, 1251 01:06:24,647 --> 01:06:26,649 because we're always gonna be linked. 1252 01:06:27,608 --> 01:06:28,985 And it sucked. 1253 01:06:29,068 --> 01:06:30,152 I mean, it sucked 1254 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:35,199 because, you know, all I ever wanted was good things for this guy. 1255 01:06:35,282 --> 01:06:40,204 Now… he's wanted for possibly killing someone. 1256 01:06:40,287 --> 01:06:43,332 It blew my mind. "What do you mean there's a manhunt for Kai? 1257 01:06:43,416 --> 01:06:44,875 "What's going on with Kai?" 1258 01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:48,129 And it's all, "He killed a 70-something-odd-year-old man." 1259 01:06:48,629 --> 01:06:50,089 It's like, "No." 1260 01:06:50,172 --> 01:06:53,009 Three months ago, I'm searching for this guy 1261 01:06:53,092 --> 01:06:56,345 to put him on television so we can all enjoy him. 1262 01:06:56,429 --> 01:06:59,348 Three months later, the police are looking for this guy 1263 01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:03,185 so he can be judged for killing a human being. 1264 01:07:06,063 --> 01:07:08,607 [Jessob] Two days later, I still hadn't heard from him. 1265 01:07:09,191 --> 01:07:13,904 And then on Tuesday, May 14th, 2013, 1266 01:07:13,988 --> 01:07:16,157 Kai posted this on Facebook. 1267 01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:19,910 "What would you do if you woke up with a groggy head, 1268 01:07:19,994 --> 01:07:22,997 metallic taste in your mouth, in a stranger's house… 1269 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,165 walked to the mirror 1270 01:07:24,248 --> 01:07:26,542 and seen come dripping from the side of your face 1271 01:07:26,625 --> 01:07:28,461 from your mouth, and started retching, 1272 01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:33,507 realizing that someone had drugged, raped, and blown their fucking load in you?" 1273 01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:36,802 [Alex] And he had this ominous question at the end. "What would you do?" 1274 01:07:37,303 --> 01:07:38,637 I remember turning to my wife 1275 01:07:38,721 --> 01:07:41,140 and being like, "This guy just killed someone." 1276 01:07:54,236 --> 01:07:57,073 What I know of Kai, I know that he has that switch, 1277 01:07:57,156 --> 01:08:02,078 and he has that deep, deep, deep-seated anger and hatred for assault. 1278 01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:05,039 But, I mean, I just don't believe… 1279 01:08:05,122 --> 01:08:08,209 I don't think he would do something like that for no reason. 1280 01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:11,670 The manhunt needed to find him as quickly as possible 1281 01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:14,340 to make sure that nobody else got hurt along the way. 1282 01:08:19,678 --> 01:08:22,223 The investigation revealed there were communications 1283 01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:26,894 with a young woman that was a fan of his that the task force called Fan Number One. 1284 01:08:26,977 --> 01:08:29,939 And this was somebody who Caleb had met, uh, through Facebook, 1285 01:08:30,022 --> 01:08:31,273 had communicated with, 1286 01:08:31,357 --> 01:08:34,068 uh, somebody who had expressed interest in hanging out with him. 1287 01:08:34,151 --> 01:08:37,488 They had made plans to get together. It was Mother's Day. 1288 01:08:49,667 --> 01:08:52,128 Caleb did not follow through on those plans, 1289 01:08:52,211 --> 01:08:55,339 and they didn't connect when they were originally supposed to. 1290 01:08:55,422 --> 01:08:57,466 We then know that, uh, she did not hear from him 1291 01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:59,552 until about nine o'clock that night. 1292 01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:07,309 [line ringing] 1293 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:11,188 [John] And he repeatedly started calling and texting her over and over again, 1294 01:09:11,272 --> 01:09:12,439 asking to be picked up, 1295 01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:15,359 asking for, uh, transport out of the Clark area. 1296 01:09:17,236 --> 01:09:19,446 [line ringing] 1297 01:09:23,659 --> 01:09:27,163 [robotic voice] Your call's been forwarded to an automatic voice message system. 1298 01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:28,998 Hey, Kim, this is Kai. 1299 01:09:29,081 --> 01:09:31,792 Um, my place fell through. 1300 01:09:31,876 --> 01:09:35,045 I was wondering, would you still be able to ride up here? 1301 01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:37,631 Um, it'd be really awesome if you could. 1302 01:09:38,132 --> 01:09:40,676 But, yeah, if you could text me back here. 1303 01:09:40,759 --> 01:09:42,803 -My phone keeps dying. -[static] 1304 01:09:46,348 --> 01:09:50,561 [John] Sunday night into Monday, Caleb was able to make it down from Rahway 1305 01:09:50,644 --> 01:09:52,229 to go to Asbury Park. 1306 01:09:52,313 --> 01:09:54,607 He met up with Fan Number One. 1307 01:09:54,690 --> 01:09:56,442 They took some photos together, 1308 01:09:56,525 --> 01:09:59,320 and she had told investigators that she was surprised 1309 01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:01,280 because his appearance was different 1310 01:10:01,363 --> 01:10:04,241 from what she knew of his video appearances 1311 01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:06,744 as well as his Facebook pictures. 1312 01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:08,579 He had apparently cut his hair, 1313 01:10:08,662 --> 01:10:11,165 which later on helped in the investigation. 1314 01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:13,667 But now we had a recent picture. 1315 01:10:13,751 --> 01:10:14,919 It showed his short hair. 1316 01:10:15,002 --> 01:10:17,922 It showed his face tattoo in pretty great detail, 1317 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:20,799 and that picture went out around the world. 1318 01:10:35,564 --> 01:10:38,984 [reporter] An employee inside a Starbucks recognized him 1319 01:10:39,068 --> 01:10:40,694 and quickly called 911. 1320 01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:43,864 [officer] Police arrived. He was not there. 1321 01:10:43,948 --> 01:10:46,283 Officers began to look in the immediate area. 1322 01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:50,454 One officer took a chance and went to the Greyhound bus station, 1323 01:10:50,537 --> 01:10:53,582 saw him in the waiting area, called for backup, 1324 01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:55,209 and, uh, made an arrest. 1325 01:11:12,351 --> 01:11:14,728 [woman] Can you just tell us what happened? 1326 01:11:14,812 --> 01:11:16,397 [woman 2] Can you tell us what happened? 1327 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,608 I've been advised by an attorney not to say anything to you guys. 1328 01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:22,444 I'd like to say thank you to all the supporters. 1329 01:11:22,528 --> 01:11:23,988 [Jessob] He looked different, for sure. 1330 01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:26,532 His hair was short. He had that face tattoo. 1331 01:11:26,615 --> 01:11:30,577 I had seen pictures of the face tattoo before from, like, social media, but… 1332 01:11:34,665 --> 01:11:37,501 And maybe it's because of, you know, the surrounding situation. 1333 01:11:37,584 --> 01:11:40,337 Now he's in police custody and, you know, wanted for murder, 1334 01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:42,673 so the perception of him also is changing. 1335 01:11:42,756 --> 01:11:44,425 He's not the hero anymore. He's the villain. 1336 01:11:44,508 --> 01:11:47,469 In February, Kai the Hatchet-Wielding Hitchhiker 1337 01:11:47,553 --> 01:11:51,348 risked his life to save the lives of innocent people in West Fresno. 1338 01:11:51,432 --> 01:11:54,977 Today, he's been arrested for allegedly taking the life 1339 01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:56,854 of a man in New Jersey. 1340 01:11:56,937 --> 01:11:58,063 There's so much sadness, 1341 01:11:58,147 --> 01:12:01,984 having to report that, you know, this guy that was once a hero 1342 01:12:02,067 --> 01:12:03,819 and, you know, grew to be a friend 1343 01:12:04,445 --> 01:12:08,490 is now in custody for murder and another gentleman's dead. 1344 01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:14,038 [interrogator] Tell us everything you want to tell us from the beginning of it. 1345 01:12:15,414 --> 01:12:17,249 He met me up in Times Square. 1346 01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:19,918 He's like, "Oh, you look lost. Where you heading to?" 1347 01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:20,878 I says, "Jersey." 1348 01:12:21,378 --> 01:12:24,673 He says, "Oh, I'm… I'm headed there." 1349 01:12:24,757 --> 01:12:27,217 "You want to go get a bite to eat?" and stuff. 1350 01:12:27,301 --> 01:12:30,220 At first, I thought he was really nice, and then he fuckin' raped me. 1351 01:12:30,721 --> 01:12:32,181 [interrogator] What did you guys eat? 1352 01:12:32,681 --> 01:12:37,853 Uh, he got some, um, Parmigiano stuff from an Italian restaurant nearby. 1353 01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:40,397 [interrogator] And then what'd you guys do? 1354 01:12:41,273 --> 01:12:42,775 [Kai] Then we was drinking beer, 1355 01:12:42,858 --> 01:12:47,446 and he wanted to put the beer into a glass instead of a bottle, 1356 01:12:47,529 --> 01:12:50,699 and, uh, we watched some TV. 1357 01:12:50,783 --> 01:12:53,535 Then I felt sleepy so I went to bed. 1358 01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:54,912 I woke up the next morning, 1359 01:12:54,995 --> 01:12:56,997 and there's a metallic taste in my mouth. 1360 01:12:57,081 --> 01:13:00,584 I looked in the mirror, and there's come coming down the side of my face. 1361 01:13:01,502 --> 01:13:03,754 -[interrogator] Did you confront him? -[Kai] No, I didn't. 1362 01:13:03,837 --> 01:13:06,882 [interrogator] Okay. You wake up, he tells you it's tme to wake up? 1363 01:13:06,965 --> 01:13:11,136 He drove me over to New Jersey Transit and got me a ticket over to Asbury. 1364 01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:13,764 Okay. And what'd you say to him? 1365 01:13:14,973 --> 01:13:16,975 I said goodbye and he says, you know, 1366 01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:18,936 "Call me at this number or email me 1367 01:13:19,019 --> 01:13:22,022 if you ever need a place to stay for a night or something." 1368 01:13:22,648 --> 01:13:24,483 [interrogator] Then he buys you a train ticket? 1369 01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:25,776 [Kai] Yeah. 1370 01:13:25,859 --> 01:13:28,904 I went to Asbury to wait for a friend who said they're gonna meet me 1371 01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:31,073 at, like, one or two, and five o'clock rolled around, 1372 01:13:31,156 --> 01:13:33,742 they still weren't around, so I called him back. 1373 01:13:34,326 --> 01:13:36,453 [interrogator] So your friends don't show up? 1374 01:13:37,162 --> 01:13:39,039 [Kai] No, and I got, uh… 1375 01:13:40,833 --> 01:13:44,253 I got raped. Like, you're saying you're charging me with first degree murder? 1376 01:13:44,795 --> 01:13:45,712 [interrogator] Right. 1377 01:13:45,796 --> 01:13:48,549 So when your friends don't show up, what did you do? 1378 01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:52,886 I went back up to see if he'd be able to put me up for the night. 1379 01:13:53,929 --> 01:13:55,431 And what did you guys do? 1380 01:13:56,056 --> 01:13:58,308 Um, he brought me back over to his place 1381 01:13:58,392 --> 01:14:01,562 and said that, uh, he didn't wanna order out that night, 1382 01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:03,355 so he gave me some burgers 1383 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:07,401 and, uh, drank a few beers. That's all I remember. 1384 01:14:07,484 --> 01:14:10,946 After that, I was waking up on the floor and him trying to pull down my pants. 1385 01:14:11,029 --> 01:14:13,699 [interrogator] Okay. So you wake up on the floor with your pants down? 1386 01:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,035 -Yeah, he's pulling down my pants. -[interrogator] Okay. 1387 01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:18,871 And how was he dressed? 1388 01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:21,999 Uh, he was… he was in his underwear. 1389 01:14:22,082 --> 01:14:23,083 [interrogator] Okay. 1390 01:14:23,834 --> 01:14:25,002 What happens next? 1391 01:14:25,085 --> 01:14:26,170 [Kai] I just hit him. 1392 01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:28,046 He was trying to manhandle me. 1393 01:14:28,547 --> 01:14:31,258 -[interrogator] Okay. -He threw me around, and I was like… 1394 01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:34,386 What did you hit him with? 1395 01:14:34,887 --> 01:14:37,598 I just… I just hit him. 1396 01:14:38,599 --> 01:14:39,892 [interrogator] With your hands? 1397 01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:43,979 [Kai] Yeah, I don't even remember. I could've elbowed him. 1398 01:14:44,855 --> 01:14:46,648 Kneed him, I don't know. 1399 01:14:46,732 --> 01:14:49,401 [interrogator] Okay. So how did you finally get him off you? 1400 01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:53,906 Well, I… I fucking hit him in the head. 1401 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,575 Can I get a drink of water? 1402 01:14:56,658 --> 01:14:59,244 -[interrogator] There's a cup right there. -No, this is Alex. 1403 01:14:59,328 --> 01:15:00,412 Thank you, sir. 1404 01:15:06,376 --> 01:15:07,669 Ah. 1405 01:15:07,753 --> 01:15:10,255 I should probably be talking to a lawyer, shouldn't I? 1406 01:15:10,339 --> 01:15:13,050 [interrogator] I can't give you legal advice. It's up to you. 1407 01:15:13,717 --> 01:15:16,428 -I wanna talk to a lawyer. -[interrogator] Okay, fair enough. 1408 01:15:17,012 --> 01:15:21,391 Um, the time is approximately 9:50 p.m. 1409 01:15:21,475 --> 01:15:25,103 Um, Mr. Lawrence has decided to speak to an attorney. 1410 01:15:25,896 --> 01:15:27,481 Once I walk out of this room, 1411 01:15:27,564 --> 01:15:30,734 I won't be able to talk to you again. Do you have any questions for us? 1412 01:15:30,817 --> 01:15:33,278 What's the penalty of this crime in New Jersey? 1413 01:15:34,071 --> 01:15:35,697 That's not up to us to decide. 1414 01:15:35,781 --> 01:15:37,616 [interrogator] That's up to the judge to decide. 1415 01:15:38,408 --> 01:15:39,409 Is the… 1416 01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:42,871 is the death penalty legal here in New Jersey? 1417 01:15:42,955 --> 01:15:46,291 Um okay, we're done, okay? You asked for an attorney, 1418 01:15:46,375 --> 01:15:48,460 so we're gonna have to stop talking, okay? 1419 01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:49,545 All right? 1420 01:15:51,588 --> 01:15:53,423 -[interrogator] Good luck. -Thanks. 1421 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,927 [door closes and locks] 1422 01:15:59,263 --> 01:16:00,389 [sighs] 1423 01:16:02,140 --> 01:16:04,685 [Rob] Kai was trying to claim self-defense. 1424 01:16:04,768 --> 01:16:06,728 But that's not what the crime scene told us. 1425 01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:11,191 The crime scene told us that this person was just beaten to death. 1426 01:16:11,275 --> 01:16:12,609 He's a 74-year-old male. 1427 01:16:13,193 --> 01:16:15,612 It didn't look like Kai was putting up a fight 1428 01:16:16,113 --> 01:16:18,991 because there's gonna be defensive wounds. 1429 01:16:19,074 --> 01:16:20,450 You're gonna be blocking punches, 1430 01:16:20,534 --> 01:16:22,703 so there's gonna be bruising, scuffing, scraping. 1431 01:16:22,786 --> 01:16:24,788 Nowhere did anybody say 1432 01:16:24,871 --> 01:16:29,751 they saw Kai with scratches, cuts, bruises… anything. 1433 01:16:29,835 --> 01:16:33,422 I know that there are situations where people are drugged 1434 01:16:33,505 --> 01:16:37,634 and are being raped, are being whatever, 1435 01:16:37,718 --> 01:16:41,221 and they wake up from that and they fight for their lives. 1436 01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:43,849 What does fighting for your life look like? 1437 01:16:45,767 --> 01:16:48,103 Information started, you know, trickling out. 1438 01:16:48,186 --> 01:16:50,272 The autopsy report, it was brutal. 1439 01:16:51,148 --> 01:16:53,650 So it made the self-defense in Kai's story 1440 01:16:55,736 --> 01:16:57,446 look a lot more questionable. 1441 01:16:58,780 --> 01:17:01,575 [Rob] Based on the testimony of the medical examiner, 1442 01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:03,660 he said it looked like he was stomped. 1443 01:17:04,411 --> 01:17:06,705 His eye orbitals were broken. 1444 01:17:06,788 --> 01:17:10,917 These are probably the strongest bones in your body next to your femur. 1445 01:17:11,001 --> 01:17:13,962 His nose was broken. Above his nose was broken. 1446 01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:16,715 His ear was almost off, 1447 01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:22,679 and it had a scuff mark on the ear like that bloodstain in the hallway, 1448 01:17:22,763 --> 01:17:25,807 where you could see some sort of material in the bloodstain, 1449 01:17:25,891 --> 01:17:28,477 and it sorta looked like that on his ear. 1450 01:17:29,061 --> 01:17:31,813 You don't get that from punching somebody. 1451 01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:34,941 You get that from literally stomping down on their head. 1452 01:17:36,777 --> 01:17:40,656 At this point, it's not a whodunit. You always wanna know why. 1453 01:17:40,739 --> 01:17:44,242 He said he was sexually assaulted Saturday night. 1454 01:17:44,326 --> 01:17:49,581 Sunday morning, we have him leaving and embracing his sexual assaulter, 1455 01:17:50,165 --> 01:17:54,169 and then he contacts the person who sexually assaulted him 1456 01:17:54,252 --> 01:17:55,671 later on that same day 1457 01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:58,840 and comes back to Clark. 1458 01:17:59,883 --> 01:18:03,762 Two and a half weeks before Kai met Mr. Galfy, 1459 01:18:03,845 --> 01:18:07,641 he posted something disturbing on Facebook. 1460 01:18:07,724 --> 01:18:10,560 Kai wrote, "A HuffPost article titled, 1461 01:18:10,644 --> 01:18:14,106 'Is Vigilante Pedophile Hunting A Good Idea?'" 1462 01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:16,400 "You decide! For you!" 1463 01:18:16,483 --> 01:18:18,110 "I'll decide for me." 1464 01:18:19,194 --> 01:18:21,405 [Dean] When arrested, he had printouts 1465 01:18:21,488 --> 01:18:24,449 of sexual predators, known, convicted predators. 1466 01:18:24,533 --> 01:18:28,036 Did he perceive Joe Galfy as a predator 1467 01:18:28,787 --> 01:18:32,999 and thought he was providing some type of vigilante justice? 1468 01:18:34,376 --> 01:18:35,460 That I don't know. 1469 01:18:36,503 --> 01:18:40,799 It doesn't make sense that Joe, who's so mild-mannered 1470 01:18:41,591 --> 01:18:44,177 and wants to help, would attack somebody. 1471 01:18:45,303 --> 01:18:49,307 But drugged and raped him? Doesn't sound like Joe, does it? 1472 01:18:49,391 --> 01:18:50,642 Doesn't sound like Joe 1473 01:18:50,726 --> 01:18:53,687 and also Joe physically 1474 01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:57,190 is not Arnold Schwarzenegger at 70. 1475 01:18:57,274 --> 01:19:01,486 Um, he's just not. Um, you know, as much as I liked Joe, 1476 01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:06,783 uh, I would not, you know, rely upon him in a, uh, fistfight. 1477 01:19:11,288 --> 01:19:15,083 [Ted] There's a moment in time when somebody murders someone 1478 01:19:16,042 --> 01:19:19,421 that there's that fear on the victim's part 1479 01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:22,257 that, "I'm gonna die." 1480 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,180 Every time we talked about this in our office, 1481 01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:31,641 we would say that we were always the voice of the victim. 1482 01:19:31,725 --> 01:19:34,019 That's what the prosecutor's office is all about. 1483 01:19:34,102 --> 01:19:39,441 And there was a moment in time, no matter what Mr. Galfy was doing, 1484 01:19:39,524 --> 01:19:41,526 he would have had that fear. 1485 01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:47,073 [Bob] I could see a situation where Kai's put into a rage, 1486 01:19:47,157 --> 01:19:50,452 not only hit once but keep on pounding away, 1487 01:19:50,535 --> 01:19:53,955 and pounding away as Joe tries to escape down the hallway 1488 01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:56,792 and just bleeds his way to die. 1489 01:19:58,376 --> 01:19:59,419 I'm angry. 1490 01:20:00,170 --> 01:20:03,131 It's a murder, clear and simple, 1491 01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:06,468 and Joe was too good a guy 1492 01:20:06,551 --> 01:20:11,097 to have been killed, uh, for almost nothing. 1493 01:20:12,349 --> 01:20:14,851 And nobody knows. Nobody knows why. 1494 01:20:16,102 --> 01:20:19,439 With this guy's past, I mean, I don't think it's a surprise 1495 01:20:19,523 --> 01:20:21,650 that he would snap and do something like that. 1496 01:20:21,733 --> 01:20:24,110 I don't think it was self-defense. 1497 01:20:24,194 --> 01:20:27,322 I really believe that this guy is innocent. 1498 01:20:27,405 --> 01:20:32,244 [man] He goes from hero to wanted man in three months. How should I feel here? 1499 01:20:32,327 --> 01:20:34,621 [man 2] I want Kai to be free and just going on-- 1500 01:20:34,704 --> 01:20:36,748 -[man 3] You like the viralness of him. -[man 2] Yeah! 1501 01:20:36,832 --> 01:20:39,668 [man 3] Is this a guardian angel? Or a stone-cold killer? 1502 01:20:39,751 --> 01:20:41,294 [woman] Let us know in the comments. 1503 01:20:42,921 --> 01:20:46,299 There is a difference between the court of public opinion 1504 01:20:46,383 --> 01:20:48,301 and an actual superior court. 1505 01:20:48,385 --> 01:20:51,304 And a jury in an actual superior court 1506 01:20:51,888 --> 01:20:55,183 listen to the facts of the case that the prosecutor's office put forward, 1507 01:20:55,267 --> 01:20:58,937 they listen to the facts of the case what Caleb's side had to say, 1508 01:20:59,020 --> 01:21:00,564 uh, and ultimately decided 1509 01:21:00,647 --> 01:21:03,733 that the prosecutor's office had done their job well. 1510 01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,862 [Jessob] The trial was several days, 1511 01:21:06,945 --> 01:21:12,325 and the jury and everyone saw a different side of Kai than I saw, 1512 01:21:12,409 --> 01:21:17,372 and at the end of the trial, the judge had some pretty poignant and powerful words. 1513 01:21:17,455 --> 01:21:19,749 Judge Robert Kirsch called Kai 1514 01:21:19,833 --> 01:21:22,669 "a powder keg of explosive rage." 1515 01:21:22,752 --> 01:21:25,881 "You created this public image of a free spirit, 1516 01:21:25,964 --> 01:21:29,092 but underneath that free spirit, the jury saw another side of you." 1517 01:21:29,718 --> 01:21:33,096 "A cold-blooded, calculated, callous killer." 1518 01:21:35,015 --> 01:21:36,266 [Kai] The jury didn't believe me 1519 01:21:36,349 --> 01:21:39,227 because people are used to when a rape survivor isn't believed, 1520 01:21:39,311 --> 01:21:41,187 the rapist is presumed innocent. 1521 01:21:41,271 --> 01:21:44,107 But this was never a rape trial. The rapist is dead. 1522 01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:47,861 This was a homicide trial. Self-defense against rape is a right. 1523 01:21:47,944 --> 01:21:50,030 But they told the jury the burden was on me 1524 01:21:50,113 --> 01:21:53,617 to prove intoxication and rape by clear and convincing evidence. 1525 01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:55,911 But I deserve the same presumption of innocence, 1526 01:21:55,994 --> 01:21:58,204 unless proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, 1527 01:21:58,288 --> 01:22:02,417 that's given to the seven of eight rapists that beat their charges and walk free. 1528 01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:07,380 I met Kai in this heroic… situation, 1529 01:22:07,464 --> 01:22:09,549 and this judge, I get it, 1530 01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:12,177 you know, he only saw the bad side of Kai 1531 01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:14,262 and, you know, was put through this whole trial, 1532 01:22:14,346 --> 01:22:17,766 which was brutal 'cause of the crime scene and stuff like that, so, um… 1533 01:22:18,516 --> 01:22:20,977 The "cold-blooded" part and the "for no reason," I just… 1534 01:22:21,061 --> 01:22:22,395 Man, I don't know. 1535 01:22:25,231 --> 01:22:26,358 I don't know. 1536 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,819 Why did nobody see that he was dangerous? 1537 01:22:29,903 --> 01:22:31,154 I think people did. 1538 01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:34,032 I think… I think there was people 1539 01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:37,994 who, you know, rightfully thought he was dangerous. 1540 01:22:38,078 --> 01:22:41,498 I mean, not… not on my end, you know… 1541 01:22:41,581 --> 01:22:45,377 And it wasn't 'cause I wanted to get this guy on TV so bad 1542 01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:49,381 that I believed him, that I was putting down some fear of him, 1543 01:22:49,464 --> 01:22:54,010 or I was discounting other people's fear because this helped me in some way. 1544 01:22:54,678 --> 01:22:57,889 It was because I didn't see it. It was because I didn't believe it, you know. 1545 01:22:57,973 --> 01:23:00,183 I wasn't trying to minimize anybody else's fears 1546 01:23:00,266 --> 01:23:02,477 because it benefited me. I just… 1547 01:23:03,895 --> 01:23:05,689 I just… I saw what I thought I saw, 1548 01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:08,108 and I wanted to help the person I thought I saw. 1549 01:23:08,608 --> 01:23:10,235 And, you know, I was wrong. 1550 01:23:13,363 --> 01:23:18,159 [Bob] I think the media had something to blame for the creation of Kai. 1551 01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:21,663 I've yet to see any analysis 1552 01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:26,543 of anyone in the media saying, "Boy, did we make a mistake?" 1553 01:23:26,626 --> 01:23:32,674 "Did we create this celebrity and monster without doing our homework?" 1554 01:23:33,633 --> 01:23:37,345 I think what Bob's saying is if you're going to glorify someone, 1555 01:23:37,429 --> 01:23:39,347 you better know who you're glorifying. 1556 01:23:39,431 --> 01:23:43,685 I can sit here and say I did everything the right way and tried to… 1557 01:23:45,353 --> 01:23:49,024 tried to do everything for him and have him be successful and happy 1558 01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:54,029 and… I don't know, expose the good in him and hide the bad, 1559 01:23:54,112 --> 01:23:55,864 and I just couldn't, I guess. 1560 01:23:55,947 --> 01:23:57,615 No one could, I guess. 1561 01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,494 [Shirley] In our communication, I've told him before, 1562 01:24:01,578 --> 01:24:03,663 if ever he wants me to visit him, I will. 1563 01:24:03,747 --> 01:24:05,415 Right now he's said no. 1564 01:24:05,999 --> 01:24:08,334 I don't know if I ever will see him again. 1565 01:24:09,377 --> 01:24:13,298 [Brad] There's no more home-free. There's no more Dogtown. 1566 01:24:13,381 --> 01:24:16,301 There's no more anything, ever. 1567 01:24:16,926 --> 01:24:21,431 Your address is gonna be your address forever, 1568 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,435 and this is a guy who never wanted an address. 1569 01:24:26,561 --> 01:24:27,687 [exhales] 1570 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:30,565 Good God. 1571 01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:33,151 [ominous music playing] 136653

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