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[ominous music]
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- I was dreaming, thinking,
fantasizing murder all day long.
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I couldn't get it outta my head.
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[ominous music]
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- He was the Coed Killer.
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Taking the head off was his idea
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of ultimate control over women.
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[ominous music]
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- Ed Kemper was 15 years old.
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He was a ticking time bomb.
[peaceful music]
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- He said that if the
knife wouldn't have broke,
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he would've never
stopped stabbing.
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[suspenseful music]
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- These were young women
who were hitchhiking.
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- Sexual assault,
mutilation, butchery.
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- It really hit home
when it happened right
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on our own campus.
[suspenseful music]
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- He was mad at everybody
that rejected him.
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- I had a real bad problem
depriving people of their lives.
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[dramatic music]
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[suspenseful music]
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[birds chirping]
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- Two hikers were walking
their dog up in Loma Prieta,
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which is way up in the
Santa Cruz Mountains.
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It's the highest
point in the county.
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[suspenseful music]
[dog barking]
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They came across what
looked to be a skull,
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The reality of finding
something like that.
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It can be a very
upsetting situation.
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[sirens wailing]
[suspenseful music]
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- So a call came in to
the sheriff's office
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from two hikers.
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We drive up on top
of this mountain.
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[chopper buzzing]
[suspenseful music]
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At this point, we don't even
know if it's a crime scene.
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But we're sketching.
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We're photographing.
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We're picking up
samples of everything.
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- They went
searching and digging
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and seeing if there was
any area under the trees
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that was dug up or
anything looked suspicious.
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[suspenseful music]
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- We were trying to
search for anything
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that doesn't belong in the dirt.
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But we find no other body parts.
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[suspenseful music]
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We brought the skull back
to the sheriff's office
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and identify the remains.
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And we found out the
skull belongs to a woman,
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a young woman, a
teenager to early 20s.
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[suspenseful music]
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So is this a guy
that killed his wife?
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Boyfriend kills a girlfriend?
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And why did somebody
take the time
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to cut a head off
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in the first place?
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[suspenseful music]
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- I had an upbringing
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that some have
called dysfunctional.
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The whole home life just,
I watched it deteriorate.
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I was 7 1/2, 8 years old.
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My parents divorced.
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My mother's working
to raise three kids.
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We lived in a house where
there was a basement.
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And at a certain
time of the evening,
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my sisters would go
up to bed upstairs
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where I used to go
to bed upstairs.
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I had to go down
to the basement.
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- Just think of
every creepy basement
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you've seen in
every horror movie.
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And that's where Ed had to live.
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- I walked into
complete darkness.
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With these pipes wheezing
and banging over my head.
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You know, the rattles,
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the weird sounds in the night,
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that can be spooky to a kid.
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And I've got this horrible
terror going on inside of me.
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My imagination was vivid.
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- I was studying forensic
psychology in college.
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So I wrote him.
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And anybody that knows Kemper
knows he likes to talk.
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I had close to 80
hours of interviews
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and several years
correspondence through the mail.
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He said the isolation
in the basement
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is when his fantasies really,
really started to evolve.
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He was always scared
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that the devil was gonna
come outta the furnace.
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- Kemper was the middle child.
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The only boy.
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His mother thought Ed
should not be sharing a room
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with his sisters.
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So it made sense to her to
put him in the basement.
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[suspenseful music]
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Ed presents this
living arrangement
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as sort of a brutal thing
for his mother to do
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because it scared him so much.
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But she thought Ed
was awkward and timid.
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And so she wanted
to toughen him up
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and also give him a little
more independence as a boy.
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- From the beginning,
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you had a kind of
volatile relationship
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between his mother
and his father.
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I think it was a very
destabilizing time for him.
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And his mother became the focus
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in his particular narrative
of all of his anger
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and feelings of rejection.
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- His father was 6'8".
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His mother was six feet tall.
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They both yelled.
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But the home was dominated
really by Ed's mother.
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- If we're talking about Ed
Kemper's formative years,
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he probably saw a father
who was using avoidance
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and being out of the home
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as a way of dealing
with that stress.
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[suspenseful music]
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- When they got divorced,
Edmund felt neglected.
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His dad would say he was
gonna show up and pick him up.
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And not show up.
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- There was a great
hole in my life.
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And I started becoming
fascinated with things
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evolving around
death and destruction
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and evil and all of that.
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When I was about eight
or nine years old,
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I went to a magic show.
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- It was a traveling show where
they had the guillotine act.
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Where they took a young
girl out of the audience,
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they put her head
in the guillotine.
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They made it look like
they chopped it off
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and everybody was horrified.
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And Ed was thrilled.
[ominous music]
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- Right at that moment,
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I departed reality
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because logically I should
have been able to ascertain
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that that could not happen.
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You're not gonna get away with
chopping somebody's head off.
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But the concept of it was so
raw and it was titillating.
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I says, wow!
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And that got caught up
in my morbid fascination.
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[suspenseful music]
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- He had issues with wanting
to dominate and control people.
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And in his mind, taking the
head off and possessing it
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was his idea of ultimate
control over women.
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- It was in that darkness
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that he begins to really
formulate the fantasy
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of ultimately killing.
[ominous music]
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[suspenseful music]
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- There's a feeling that
exists in Santa Cruz
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that we're some special place.
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[suspenseful music]
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Whatever horrible thing
is happening in the world,
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it's not gonna happen here.
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Well, it does happen here.
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[suspenseful music]
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[suspenseful music]
[birds chirping]
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It was my very
first day of work.
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I walked into the
sheriff's office.
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And they said the
news of the day
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was that they had
identified the woman
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whose skull was found
up in the mountains.
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- The skull was identified
as Mary Anne Pesce.
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18 years old.
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[suspenseful music]
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Mary Ann Pesce and Anita
Luchessa were students
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at Fresno State University.
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- Mary Ann Pesce
was happy go lucky.
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Teachers liked her.
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Very upbeat, very
adventurous girl.
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Anita Luchessa is a
18-year-old college freshman.
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She was very popular
on the campus
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and she was very
close to her family.
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[eerie music]
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- [Announcer] On May 7th, 1972,
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two Fresno State College coeds
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were hitchhiking a ride
from here in Berkeley.
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- Mary Ann Pesce
and Anita Luchessa
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had traveled to Berkeley,
California to see some friends.
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- [Announcer] They both
had the money for the bus.
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Yet they preferred hitchhiking
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because, as Mary Ann said,
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you meet such
interesting people.
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- This was was a time
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when there were lots
of people hitchhiking.
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People were freely
getting in cars.
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- [Reporter] Is there a
mystique in hitchhiking
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or something that you
really get attached to?
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- Yeah.
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Being free.
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- Police put together a story
of what had probably happened.
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That they had been kidnapped
and apparently murdered.
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- We hope and pray
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that Anita Luchessa
is still alive,
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but we thought
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there was another body
we hadn't found yet.
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[suspenseful music]
[birds shrieking]
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[phone ringing]
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A call comes to the Santa
Cruz Sheriff's Department.
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- Cynthia Schall was a
Cabrillo College student.
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- They said she had gone to
school, but had not returned.
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They, of course, got worried.
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- The Santa Cruz
investigators talked
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to a lot of people who
knew Cynthia Schall.
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Was she in trouble with anybody?
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Was there any reason
for her to flee?
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And there wasn't.
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- But they did say she
was known to hitchhike.
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[suspenseful music]
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- [Announcer] Cynthia
Ann Schall was last seen
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as she left her Santa Cruz home,
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saying she intended to hitchhike
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to classes at Cabrillo College.
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But there is no clue
to her whereabouts.
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- Cynthia Schall
really hits home
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in Santa Cruz County
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because she lives
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in a little seaside
community called Capitola.
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And that's right here.
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People in the area
are hyper aware
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of the frantic search for her.
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[suspenseful music]
[waves whooshing]
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- [Announcer] A grisly
story began in this cove.
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The upper part of a girl's
torso washed up on this beach,
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two miles north of
the Santa Cruz Pier.
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Then a hand was found two
days later by a surfer
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who was in the
water near Capitola,
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seven miles to the southeast.
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- These are very, almost
expertly,
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severed pieces of body.
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[suspenseful music]
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- Very soon after that,
other body parts were found.
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A head was not found, however.
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- We were able to positively
ID those body parts
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from fingerprints
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and from x-rays.
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- We have established
beyond any reasonable
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and questionable doubt
that the remains found
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are the remains of the missing
person in our community.
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- [Reporter] This is
Cynthia Ann Schall?
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- Correct.
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- I was stunned.
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My wife and I had
three little kids
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and we had arranged her to
babysit occasionally for us.
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Remembering her face.
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Remembering her
watching my children.
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You know, these things
are going through my mind.
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[suspenseful music]
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- We have a local girl
murdered and cut to pieces.
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So you can imagine
now the anxiety
256
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of what was going on
in Santa Cruz County.
257
00:15:09,691 --> 00:15:11,998
- I do remember when body
parts started washing up
258
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on the shore.
259
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And it was really freaky.
260
00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,878
It's just very
unsettling to know
261
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that whoever is doing
this is still out there.
262
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- The residents of this area,
understandably, are edgy.
263
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It was just six months
ago that a human head
264
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was found in the hills
not too far from here.
265
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And the details of that
murder still are a mystery.
266
00:15:38,589 --> 00:15:41,462
[suspenseful music]
267
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[eerie music]
268
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- When I was 14 years old,
I ran away from my mother.
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I wanted to be with my father.
270
00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,758
And I wanted to get
away from my mother
271
00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:20,370
because I was dreaming,
thinking, fantasizing murder
272
00:16:20,457 --> 00:16:21,415
all day long.
273
00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:23,504
[ominous music]
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I couldn't get it outta my head.
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00:16:26,855 --> 00:16:31,686
[eerie music]
[kettle whistling]
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- An important part
277
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in the life of many
serial killers is fantasy.
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There's a kind of
brooding about what life
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could have been like if
it weren't for factor X.
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[eerie music]
281
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Anytime Ed Kemper
felt resentment,
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it was tied back to his mother.
283
00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,143
- So when he went to
live with his father,
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he found his father
had a whole new life.
285
00:16:56,406 --> 00:16:57,755
[ominous music]
286
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- His father had remarried
and had a beautiful wife.
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A stepson about Kemper's age.
288
00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:11,378
And Kemper had to try to
fit into this new household.
289
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[ominous music]
290
00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:14,337
- I'm sure he was bitter.
291
00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:18,211
He always thought he was the
apple of his father's eye.
292
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- Ed wanted that perfect
sitcom of the 50s,
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"Leave it to
Beaver" type family.
294
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So for a short period,
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it was okay.
296
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- We say, gee, dad, you know,
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you're going out
to dinner tonight.
298
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Can we go someplace and eat?
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And he'd say, sure.
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Give us a few dollars.
301
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We'd go down to some little
diner down the street.
302
00:17:38,274 --> 00:17:39,797
He treated us like little men.
303
00:17:39,884 --> 00:17:40,972
[suspenseful music]
304
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- But he so idealized his father
305
00:17:43,453 --> 00:17:48,241
that he really didn't see
how uncomfortable this was
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for his father and
his new stepmother.
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00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:54,899
[ominous music]
308
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[ominous music]
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- As the body parts
floated in from the ocean,
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there was no longer any
doubt in the community's mind
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that there was
something really wrong.
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There was somebody
doing some bad things.
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00:18:22,057 --> 00:18:24,973
[suspenseful music]
314
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- [Dispatcher]
[indistinct] Roger.
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- We didn't have any
information as to a suspect.
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So we were just doing
guesswork.
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[suspenseful music]
[siren wailing]
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- What is similar
in these cases?
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Coed.
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Location.
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- These were young women
who were hitchhiking.
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- A lot of warnings went out.
323
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Please be careful.
324
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Don't hitchhike.
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Don't go out alone.
326
00:18:59,486 --> 00:19:01,792
- We felt like our hands
were not so much tied,
327
00:19:01,879 --> 00:19:05,709
but we couldn't figure
out how to stop it.
328
00:19:05,796 --> 00:19:07,058
[suspenseful music]
329
00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,322
- There was kind of a
shock to the community.
330
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How could this be happening
in our little Garden of Eden?
331
00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:21,029
[waves whooshing]
332
00:19:21,116 --> 00:19:23,684
[suspenseful music]
333
00:19:25,947 --> 00:19:27,209
[siren wails]
[radio sputters]
334
00:19:27,296 --> 00:19:30,865
I was talking to the
investigators every single day.
335
00:19:30,952 --> 00:19:32,867
They were extremely frustrated.
336
00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:37,393
Because the victims of these
crimes were completely random
337
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,787
and there is nothing more
difficult to investigate
338
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than random killings.
339
00:19:41,354 --> 00:19:42,877
[suspenseful music]
340
00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:46,750
- There's a lotta pressure to
figure this out on all of us.
341
00:19:46,837 --> 00:19:49,710
[suspenseful music]
342
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,546
This one truly
tugged at everybody.
343
00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:06,379
Aiko Koo is a 15-year-old
high school student.
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Very talented ballet dancer.
[melancholy music]
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Her mother's a librarian
346
00:20:12,428 --> 00:20:14,909
at the University of
California at Berkeley.
347
00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:16,127
[melancholy music]
348
00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:20,567
The police learned
Aiko Koo missed the bus
349
00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:23,396
and got into a car
and disappeared.
350
00:20:25,615 --> 00:20:29,053
Aiko Koo's mother was
making thousands of posters
351
00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:33,188
and putting 'em on every
telephone pole in the Bay Area.
352
00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,234
It's hard to describe how
353
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painful this was.
[melancholy music]
354
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,588
I mean, this was so
355
00:20:43,764 --> 00:20:45,069
hard for her.
356
00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:47,071
I mean, it just
crushed her heart.
357
00:20:47,202 --> 00:20:48,159
- Yeah. We used to hitchhike.
358
00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,248
But now it's not
real safe to do it.
359
00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:50,074
So we don't.
360
00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:51,250
- [Reporter] Why did you quit?
361
00:20:52,903 --> 00:20:54,862
- Because of all the weird
things that have been happening,
362
00:20:54,992 --> 00:20:57,995
with the girls being chopped
up and things like that.
363
00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:00,955
[suspenseful music]
364
00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:28,678
- When I was 14 years old,
I go stay with my dad.
365
00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:32,334
And this opened up
whole new feelings in me
366
00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:34,031
that I'd never had before.
367
00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,772
And I wish I'd had
more experience
368
00:21:35,903 --> 00:21:37,513
with my father growing up.
369
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,254
[suspenseful music]
370
00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:40,560
- He hated his mother.
371
00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:42,170
He loved his dad.
372
00:21:42,257 --> 00:21:44,041
That would've been
a dream for Edmund
373
00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:47,131
to have things work out
living with his father.
374
00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:52,833
- Ed's stepmother was
absolutely terrified of him.
375
00:21:55,226 --> 00:21:57,228
- Ed had this way
of looking at people
376
00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:00,275
with kind of a
weird, empty stare.
377
00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:01,668
That unnerved her.
378
00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:07,674
On top of that, he's very
tall and intimidating.
379
00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:10,590
She had not bargained
for having to deal
380
00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:14,028
with this teenage boy
coming into their home
381
00:22:14,115 --> 00:22:15,812
out of the blue.
382
00:22:15,899 --> 00:22:18,641
So she put pressure
on Ed's father.
383
00:22:18,728 --> 00:22:20,513
You know, he can't stay with us.
384
00:22:23,254 --> 00:22:26,475
- We were vying for his
interest, vying for his love.
385
00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:27,955
So we fought each other a lot.
386
00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:30,218
And it was a lot of friction
and he couldn't handle that.
387
00:22:30,305 --> 00:22:33,003
[suspenseful music]
388
00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:36,616
- Finally, Ed's father took Ed
389
00:22:36,703 --> 00:22:41,272
to his parents' 17-acre
ranch in California.
390
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:46,060
Ostensibly to go for a visit
over a Christmas vacation.
391
00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,368
But when Ed's father
went to leave,
392
00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,762
he told Ed, no, you're staying.
393
00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:54,721
[eerie music]
394
00:22:54,808 --> 00:22:57,027
- We went up to the mountains
to stay for Christmas.
395
00:22:57,114 --> 00:23:00,161
And I got left behind.
[eerie music]
396
00:23:00,248 --> 00:23:02,642
- Ed was completely betrayed.
397
00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:07,255
His father basically lied to
him and also abandoned him.
398
00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:10,780
- I got left there.
399
00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,739
I was old family. I
was already failure.
400
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,785
So he got rid of me.
401
00:23:15,872 --> 00:23:18,745
[suspenseful music]
402
00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:28,755
[bright music]
[people chattering]
403
00:23:34,935 --> 00:23:39,766
- Alice Liu and Rosalind Thorpe
404
00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:41,811
are coeds attending
405
00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:44,684
the University of
California at Santa Cruz.
406
00:23:44,771 --> 00:23:46,816
They don't return from class.
407
00:23:46,903 --> 00:23:49,166
Their friends get worried,
408
00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:51,647
report them missing to
the city of Santa Cruz.
409
00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:53,127
[suspenseful music]
410
00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:54,302
- It really hit home
411
00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:57,914
when it happened right
on our own campus,
412
00:23:58,001 --> 00:23:59,002
our own students.
413
00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:01,048
[suspenseful music]
414
00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:02,963
We were all very frightened.
415
00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:08,490
During my long walks home
from my babysitting jobs
416
00:24:08,577 --> 00:24:10,971
at 10 or 11 at night.
417
00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:14,496
Alone in the dark.
418
00:24:14,627 --> 00:24:18,544
And my keys clutched
between my fingers.
419
00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:21,460
So I could defend myself
against an attacker.
420
00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:27,030
I can still, almost
50 years later,
421
00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:28,989
just feel in my bones
422
00:24:29,946 --> 00:24:32,732
just being so afraid.
423
00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,169
[eerie music]
424
00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:52,229
- Maybe they got a ride.
425
00:24:52,316 --> 00:24:54,144
[suspenseful music]
426
00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:58,366
Just got into a car
and disappeared.
427
00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,935
[police radio chatter]
428
00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,764
We needed to get information
into every officer,
429
00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:05,678
every patrol car.
430
00:25:07,723 --> 00:25:09,856
It's like, oh God, is
this ever gonna end?
431
00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:19,387
[suspenseful music]
432
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,786
- First weekend after we
knew that Alice and Rosalind
433
00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:28,875
had gone missing,
434
00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:33,401
we instituted a
search on campus.
435
00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:36,012
We would walk along the
edges of the roadways
436
00:25:36,143 --> 00:25:38,537
because we knew that women
437
00:25:38,624 --> 00:25:42,845
were being kidnapped
by people in vehicles.
438
00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:48,721
I was feeling a sense of
dread of what we might find.
439
00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:56,206
[suspenseful music]
[birds chirping]
440
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:10,656
- They determine these are
the dismembered bodies,
441
00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:17,445
the remains, of Alice
Liu and Rosalind Thorpe.
442
00:26:18,446 --> 00:26:21,014
- I felt so sad for the parents.
443
00:26:21,101 --> 00:26:25,235
After they learned that their
daughters had been killed.
444
00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:29,588
There was a huge amount
of grief on campus.
445
00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:33,287
It was maddening to know
446
00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:35,898
that the perpetrator
had not been found.
447
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,857
[suspenseful music]
448
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:39,032
- The feeling in
the community was,
449
00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:40,337
we've got a big problem here.
450
00:26:40,468 --> 00:26:42,644
We've gotta protect ourselves.
451
00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:44,211
But what do we do?
452
00:26:44,298 --> 00:26:46,082
What the hell's going on?
453
00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:49,085
[suspenseful music]
454
00:27:12,282 --> 00:27:13,196
- You know, I went
to live with Dad.
455
00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:14,763
He sends me up to Grandma.
456
00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:17,418
Now she's got me and my mother,
457
00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:19,507
the last thing she said to
me about my grandmother was,
458
00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:20,856
don't hurt them.
459
00:27:20,943 --> 00:27:21,596
You know, my grandparents.
460
00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,554
Don't hurt them.
461
00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:26,079
- Edmund got dumped
off and abandoned
462
00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:28,342
at his grandparents' house.
463
00:27:28,429 --> 00:27:31,737
And that was the straw that
broke the camel's back.
464
00:27:31,867 --> 00:27:35,871
He was mad at everybody
in his inner circle
465
00:27:35,958 --> 00:27:37,481
that rejected him.
466
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:40,049
[suspenseful music]
[birds chirping]
467
00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:44,663
- I met Ed shortly after he
moved in with his grandparents.
468
00:27:45,968 --> 00:27:48,797
We were both freshmen
in high school.
469
00:27:48,928 --> 00:27:51,539
And Ed sort of stood out because
he was very, very tall,
470
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:52,801
about 6'4".
471
00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:56,979
I remember while we're
waiting for the school bus,
472
00:27:57,066 --> 00:28:01,157
Ed tells me this very,
very detailed story.
473
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:05,466
One of our neighbors,
he passed away.
474
00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:10,079
Grandpa Kemper and Ed
went down to the house.
475
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:14,693
And because Ed Kemper was,
you know, a big, big kid,
476
00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:18,000
he helped the coroner
carry the body out.
477
00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:20,873
And he talked about
the man's wife.
478
00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:25,051
She's crying. She's bereft.
479
00:28:25,181 --> 00:28:27,618
And he was just
so put off by that
480
00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:31,535
and so contemptuous of her grief
481
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:36,149
And I was struck at the time
482
00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:39,718
at the complete lack of
empathy for the suffering
483
00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,023
of somebody else.
484
00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:43,722
Her husband just died.
485
00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:46,028
You know, of course
she's gonna cry.
486
00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:50,554
[suspenseful music]
487
00:28:57,431 --> 00:28:59,694
- He didn't socialize a lot.
488
00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:02,131
That's usually where
you learn empathy
489
00:29:02,262 --> 00:29:05,569
and you begin to feel
things for other people.
490
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:08,877
- Ed was a country boy.
491
00:29:08,964 --> 00:29:11,314
And a lotta country
boys grow up as hunters.
492
00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:13,316
His father was a hunter.
493
00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:15,623
You start with a BB gun.
494
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:19,801
Then you get a .22.
[suspenseful music]
495
00:29:19,888 --> 00:29:22,586
- He was always on little
adventures outside.
496
00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:27,591
One time he shot a blue jay.
497
00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:33,641
The bird fell down and started
like squawking really loud.
498
00:29:35,425 --> 00:29:38,689
He was taught what he could
kill and what he couldn't.
499
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:41,475
And blue jays were off limits.
500
00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:43,477
[eerie music]
501
00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:46,088
- Ed Kemper goes out and
commits this brazen act
502
00:29:46,219 --> 00:29:49,309
that he's coming to associate
with masculinity and power.
503
00:29:49,439 --> 00:29:52,355
And taking a life
is linked to that.
504
00:29:52,442 --> 00:29:53,879
[suspenseful music]
505
00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:55,968
- His grandmother found out
506
00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:58,318
and he got in trouble
for killing the blue jay.
507
00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:02,191
- His grandmother was
a dominating figure
508
00:30:02,322 --> 00:30:03,889
like his mother was.
509
00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:07,327
And he began to build
resentment toward her
510
00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:10,417
because she didn't
really trust him.
511
00:30:10,504 --> 00:30:14,682
He didn't like being told what
to do over and over and over.
512
00:30:16,118 --> 00:30:17,250
- She never let me
get out of her sight
513
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:19,339
for more than an hour
without yelling my name out
514
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,123
to see where I was.
515
00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:22,777
I would go back to my bedroom
516
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,912
and I'd go off
into fantasy worlds
517
00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:28,391
that you'd never wanna
share with anybody
518
00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:29,740
because they're so cruel
519
00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:34,136
or they're so unspeakably
out of sync with reality.
520
00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,008
[suspenseful music]
521
00:30:36,138 --> 00:30:38,445
- He got angry and resentful.
522
00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,142
And he would then go
down to the outhouse
523
00:30:40,273 --> 00:30:42,362
and shoot bullets into it,
524
00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:45,365
imagining her inside.
525
00:30:47,976 --> 00:30:51,850
- And the fantasies started
getting more and more harsh
526
00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:56,680
and deviant and sick.
[suspenseful music]
527
00:30:58,334 --> 00:31:00,554
- I started developing
the fantasies toward her.
528
00:31:00,684 --> 00:31:01,381
Killing her.
529
00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:05,646
And the decapitation
fantasies were even there.
530
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:08,040
They were in place
by then already.
531
00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:12,958
- What were they?
532
00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:19,312
- Possessing the
severed heads of women.
533
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,881
[eerie music]
534
00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:33,065
[siren wails]
535
00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:36,068
- [Dispatcher]
[indistinct] location.
536
00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:38,592
- I was working the
graveyard shift.
537
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,421
It got to be pretty boring.
538
00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:43,858
And then the phone rings.
539
00:31:46,295 --> 00:31:49,777
And the officer who was working
dispatch answered the phone.
540
00:31:51,605 --> 00:31:52,823
He said, it's Ed Kemper.
541
00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:54,782
[suspenseful music]
542
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:55,870
And now, I know Ed.
543
00:31:57,045 --> 00:31:59,308
He worked at a gas station
544
00:31:59,395 --> 00:32:03,617
about three blocks
from the Jury Room.
545
00:32:03,747 --> 00:32:07,055
It was a watering hole
for the law enforcement
546
00:32:07,186 --> 00:32:09,710
around the Santa Cruz area.
547
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,627
Ed Kemper would occasionally
come down to the Jury Room
548
00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:17,022
and sit with us while we
sit there and had beers.
549
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:21,374
So I get on the
phone and I said,
550
00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:24,464
hey, Ed, this is Jim Conner.
551
00:32:24,551 --> 00:32:25,726
He said, oh, hi
Jim, how you doing?
552
00:32:25,856 --> 00:32:26,770
Something like that.
553
00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:32,472
He said, well, I know you
guys are looking for me.
554
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,301
And as soon as you guys find
me, you're gonna kill me.
555
00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:40,567
What do you mean Ed?
[suspenseful music]
556
00:32:40,654 --> 00:32:43,091
He said, well, I killed her.
557
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:51,491
[eerie music]
558
00:32:56,235 --> 00:32:58,672
During my conversation with Ed,
559
00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:03,982
he admitted to me that
he had killed his mother
560
00:33:06,201 --> 00:33:07,507
and her coworker.
561
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:12,164
[suspenseful music]
562
00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,045
I can't describe the feeling
563
00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:28,006
that I was overcome
by at that point.
564
00:33:30,138 --> 00:33:32,793
I am just so blown away
because I've known this guy,
565
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,708
at least I thought I knew him,
566
00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,188
for quite some time.
567
00:33:37,189 --> 00:33:39,234
[suspenseful music]
568
00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:43,195
So I said, Ed, you've
known me for a long time.
569
00:33:43,282 --> 00:33:45,197
I just need know where you are.
570
00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:51,507
He said, I'm in a phone
booth in Pueblo, Colorado.
571
00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:53,466
[suspenseful music]
572
00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:56,947
- After Ed murdered his
mother and her friend,
573
00:33:57,078 --> 00:34:02,040
he took off across the
country to Colorado.
574
00:34:02,649 --> 00:34:06,044
He was exhausted and he
realized he had no place to go.
575
00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:09,699
His mother had always
taken care of him
576
00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:11,397
and now she was
dead, thanks to him.
577
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,575
- And I had the other
officer get on the phone
578
00:34:15,662 --> 00:34:17,403
and call Pueblo PD
579
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:22,234
and have him go out and
put Ed under arrest.
580
00:34:23,322 --> 00:34:26,194
[suspenseful music]
581
00:34:34,811 --> 00:34:37,075
- It was the cleanest house
you've ever walked into.
582
00:34:38,337 --> 00:34:40,078
The only way you would know
583
00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:42,689
that there was something
wrong in that house
584
00:34:42,776 --> 00:34:44,430
was because of the smell.
585
00:34:46,736 --> 00:34:49,478
There's this long
walk-in closet.
586
00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:53,482
At the end of the closet,
we find Kemper's mother.
587
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:55,354
[suspenseful music]
588
00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:56,964
He cut her head off.
589
00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:02,578
And she was completely
washed clean.
590
00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:05,451
[suspenseful music]
591
00:35:06,539 --> 00:35:08,845
And her friend,
592
00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:10,934
she was in the front closet,
593
00:35:11,021 --> 00:35:12,458
had been beaten to death.
594
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:15,330
When the contingent of officers
595
00:35:15,461 --> 00:35:19,726
from Santa Cruz County
arrived in Pueblo,
596
00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,467
they sat down with Ed Kemper
597
00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:24,122
and he confessed
598
00:35:26,341 --> 00:35:27,995
to killing six co-eds.
599
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,999
[suspenseful music]
600
00:35:34,523 --> 00:35:37,613
- I think there was probably
a great deal of shock
601
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:41,617
that this individual could be
the person killing the co-eds.
602
00:35:41,704 --> 00:35:44,838
Because there were certain
aspects of Kemper's personality
603
00:35:44,925 --> 00:35:47,841
where he was, in fact,
very charming, likable.
604
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:50,409
But when they look
back and realize
605
00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:54,717
that he had killed before
at the young age of 15,
606
00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:57,416
it must have been
quite a wake up call
607
00:35:57,503 --> 00:35:58,721
about the type of individual
608
00:35:58,852 --> 00:36:00,332
that they were
actually dealing with.
609
00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:04,510
[suspenseful music]
610
00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:21,701
- I got this domineering
grandmother on my father's side.
611
00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:25,705
I was up there with
them for 10 months.
612
00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:29,448
At first, it was okay,
613
00:36:29,535 --> 00:36:32,712
'cause it was the calm of
being away from my mother.
614
00:36:32,799 --> 00:36:34,061
Was going to a good school.
615
00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:36,498
As the months went on,
616
00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:38,892
the veneer went away
617
00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:44,680
and the passions and the
tension started building.
618
00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:46,160
[suspenseful music]
619
00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,336
- Ed Kemper was 15 years old.
620
00:36:48,423 --> 00:36:51,731
And at that point, had
hit a peak of aggression
621
00:36:51,861 --> 00:36:54,516
and he was sort of
a ticking time bomb.
622
00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,127
[suspenseful music]
623
00:36:57,258 --> 00:37:00,261
- That day, Ed's
grandfather had gone
624
00:37:00,348 --> 00:37:02,220
to the store to
pick up groceries.
625
00:37:03,786 --> 00:37:05,571
Ed was alone with
his grandmother.
626
00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:10,532
She was working on stories
for a boy's magazine.
627
00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,927
He wanted to go hunting.
628
00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:16,103
Picked up his rifle.
629
00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:20,412
And she said again to him,
630
00:37:23,023 --> 00:37:24,677
don't shoot the birds.
631
00:37:24,764 --> 00:37:27,419
[dramatic music]
632
00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:32,989
- I was building up big
loads of frustration inside.
633
00:37:33,076 --> 00:37:36,950
Big loads of hatred
634
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:40,127
because I had no outlet for it.
635
00:37:41,998 --> 00:37:45,306
And it started
simmering, I guess.
636
00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:47,395
[dramatic music]
637
00:37:47,526 --> 00:37:49,571
- He just turns around,
638
00:37:49,702 --> 00:37:50,964
looks at his grandmother.
639
00:37:52,139 --> 00:37:54,489
- I mean, it wasn't rational.
640
00:37:54,576 --> 00:37:58,058
- He sees the back of
her head, aims his rifle.
641
00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,626
- And it was pure horror.
642
00:38:00,713 --> 00:38:03,281
[ominous music]
643
00:38:08,808 --> 00:38:10,375
[suspenseful music]
644
00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:26,739
My grandmother had made
agreements with me from the gate
645
00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:27,914
that she wouldn't get
646
00:38:28,044 --> 00:38:29,916
into little humiliating
mind games with me.
647
00:38:31,526 --> 00:38:33,006
Like my mother had done.
648
00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:34,703
[suspenseful music]
649
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,967
Well very soon after that,
650
00:38:38,098 --> 00:38:39,491
the mind game stuff started up.
651
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:46,933
- Kemper was prone
to sudden rage.
652
00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:50,632
It was, I've had it!
653
00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:55,028
She's mouthed off
for the last time.
654
00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:56,899
[suspenseful music]
655
00:38:56,986 --> 00:39:00,033
- I was really aware of
the evil I was capable of.
656
00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:02,514
You know, the
murderous violence.
657
00:39:03,993 --> 00:39:06,039
- And something
snaps in his head.
658
00:39:06,126 --> 00:39:09,303
He turned a gun on her and
he shoots her in the head.
659
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,001
[dramatic music]
660
00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:15,918
- He then shot her twice more,
661
00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:18,660
dragged her body
into the bedroom.
662
00:39:18,747 --> 00:39:22,403
And he needed to be sure she
was dead, so he stabbed her.
663
00:39:22,534 --> 00:39:24,405
[suspenseful music]
664
00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:26,451
- He had such rage.
665
00:39:26,538 --> 00:39:27,974
He said that
666
00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:30,542
if the knife wouldn't have broke
667
00:39:30,672 --> 00:39:33,153
under the clavicle
of his grandmother,
668
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,851
he would've never
stopped stabbing.
669
00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:38,854
[suspenseful music]
670
00:39:45,078 --> 00:39:47,472
- So now Ed's panicking.
671
00:39:47,602 --> 00:39:49,517
And he calls his mother,
672
00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:51,606
of all people in the world,
673
00:39:51,737 --> 00:39:54,827
and tells her I just
killed grandpa and grandma.
674
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:07,579
[suspenseful music]
675
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,981
- One thing that
Kemper is learning
676
00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:25,771
as he listens to sex offenders
is that women are objects.
677
00:40:25,858 --> 00:40:27,250
And he's being affirmed
678
00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:29,644
in some of the fantasies
he's already had
679
00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:32,908
about how to control
them by killing them.
680
00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:38,348
Ed also learned very
quickly the kinds of things
681
00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:40,699
the psychiatrists
were looking for.
682
00:40:40,786 --> 00:40:43,615
[suspenseful music]
683
00:41:04,374 --> 00:41:06,681
- When he's put in an
environment with his mother,
684
00:41:06,768 --> 00:41:09,031
he began to fantasize
about acting out.
685
00:41:09,118 --> 00:41:10,119
The unfortunate reality is
686
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:12,818
that upon his release
from Atascadero,
687
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:18,954
innocent people would become
victims of his fantasy world.
688
00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:22,480
[suspenseful music]
689
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:36,450
Ultimately, Ed Kemper
fell into the pattern
690
00:41:36,581 --> 00:41:40,236
that you see in some men who
commit serial sexual homicide.
691
00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:42,891
Aggressive and
sexualized fantasies.
692
00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:45,111
The feelings of rejection.
693
00:41:45,241 --> 00:41:47,983
And then ultimately it spills
over into the first act.
694
00:41:49,594 --> 00:41:51,334
And then with every killing,
695
00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:53,989
there's an attempt to
perfect that fantasy
696
00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:57,384
until its actual
underpinnings are revealed.
697
00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:00,822
Which is the killing
of his mother.
698
00:42:00,953 --> 00:42:04,347
[suspenseful music]
699
00:42:04,478 --> 00:42:09,048
- I had a real bad problem
depriving people of their lives.
700
00:42:09,178 --> 00:42:12,442
It wasn't the aspect
of killing them.
701
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,707
It was the aspect of possessing
their bodies afterwards.
702
00:42:15,794 --> 00:42:18,710
So it was almost
after an effect,
703
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,147
evicting someone from
their human body.
704
00:42:21,277 --> 00:42:23,845
[suspenseful music]
705
00:42:23,976 --> 00:42:24,890
I'm sorry it sounds so cold,
706
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,545
but that's about what
it analogizes to.
707
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,508
- What would've been
ahead for all these people
708
00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:36,554
whose lives were snuffed out?
709
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:40,688
I'm sure they all
could have had lives
710
00:42:40,819 --> 00:42:42,647
just as wonderful as mine.
[suspenseful music]
711
00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:47,826
- You can't investigate
all these murder cases
712
00:42:47,956 --> 00:42:49,262
or any murder case
713
00:42:50,916 --> 00:42:56,922
and not have things kind of
just get burned into your brain.
714
00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:01,970
You can't erase it.
715
00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:07,019
[suspenseful music]
[waves whooshing]
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