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[peaceful music] 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,127 - He said that if the knife wouldn't have broke, 12 00:00:40,214 --> 00:00:42,999 he would've never stopped stabbing. 13 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:46,002 [suspenseful music] 14 00:00:49,571 --> 00:00:52,574 - These were young women who were hitchhiking. 15 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:56,360 - Sexual assault, mutilation, butchery. 16 00:00:56,447 --> 00:00:58,797 - It really hit home when it happened right 17 00:00:58,884 --> 00:01:02,888 on our own campus. [suspenseful music] 18 00:01:08,981 --> 00:01:11,549 - He was mad at everybody that rejected him. 19 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:15,945 - I had a real bad problem depriving people of their lives. 20 00:01:16,032 --> 00:01:18,730 [dramatic music] 21 00:01:28,262 --> 00:01:31,091 [suspenseful music] 22 00:01:40,970 --> 00:01:43,146 [birds chirping] 23 00:01:43,233 --> 00:01:45,670 - Two hikers were walking their dog up in Loma Prieta, 24 00:01:45,801 --> 00:01:47,281 which is way up in the Santa Cruz Mountains. 25 00:01:47,411 --> 00:01:49,631 It's the highest point in the county. 26 00:01:49,761 --> 00:01:51,850 [suspenseful music] [dog barking] 27 00:01:51,981 --> 00:01:54,201 They came across what looked to be a skull, 28 00:01:56,507 --> 00:01:58,640 The reality of finding something like that. 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,253 It can be a very upsetting situation. 30 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,734 [sirens wailing] [suspenseful music] 31 00:02:05,864 --> 00:02:09,259 - So a call came in to the sheriff's office 32 00:02:09,346 --> 00:02:10,565 from two hikers. 33 00:02:12,044 --> 00:02:14,308 We drive up on top of this mountain. 34 00:02:14,395 --> 00:02:17,485 [chopper buzzing] [suspenseful music] 35 00:02:17,615 --> 00:02:20,096 At this point, we don't even know if it's a crime scene. 36 00:02:21,489 --> 00:02:22,446 But we're sketching. 37 00:02:22,577 --> 00:02:24,144 We're photographing. 38 00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:27,016 We're picking up samples of everything. 39 00:02:28,365 --> 00:02:30,324 - They went searching and digging 40 00:02:30,454 --> 00:02:32,587 and seeing if there was any area under the trees 41 00:02:32,717 --> 00:02:35,285 that was dug up or anything looked suspicious. 42 00:02:35,416 --> 00:02:37,505 [suspenseful music] 43 00:02:45,426 --> 00:02:49,081 - We were trying to search for anything 44 00:02:49,212 --> 00:02:52,520 that doesn't belong in the dirt. 45 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:55,218 But we find no other body parts. 46 00:02:55,349 --> 00:02:56,915 [suspenseful music] 47 00:02:57,046 --> 00:03:00,180 We brought the skull back to the sheriff's office 48 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:01,964 and identify the remains. 49 00:03:03,618 --> 00:03:07,099 And we found out the skull belongs to a woman, 50 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:11,278 a young woman, a teenager to early 20s. 51 00:03:11,365 --> 00:03:14,194 [suspenseful music] 52 00:03:22,158 --> 00:03:25,857 So is this a guy that killed his wife? 53 00:03:27,076 --> 00:03:28,730 Boyfriend kills a girlfriend? 54 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:33,213 And why did somebody take the time 55 00:03:34,475 --> 00:03:35,650 to cut a head off 56 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:40,481 in the first place? [ominous music] 57 00:03:50,882 --> 00:03:53,842 [suspenseful music] 58 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:03,895 - I had an upbringing 59 00:04:04,026 --> 00:04:07,072 that some have called dysfunctional. 60 00:04:08,770 --> 00:04:11,163 The whole home life just, I watched it deteriorate. 61 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:14,210 [suspenseful music] 62 00:04:22,871 --> 00:04:24,438 I was 7 1/2, 8 years old. 63 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:27,615 My parents divorced. 64 00:04:27,702 --> 00:04:30,226 My mother's working to raise three kids. 65 00:04:30,357 --> 00:04:32,489 [suspenseful music] 66 00:04:32,576 --> 00:04:35,666 We lived in a house where there was a basement. 67 00:04:35,753 --> 00:04:39,670 And at a certain time of the evening, 68 00:04:39,757 --> 00:04:41,890 my sisters would go up to bed upstairs 69 00:04:41,977 --> 00:04:43,587 where I used to go to bed upstairs. 70 00:04:44,893 --> 00:04:46,895 I had to go down to the basement. 71 00:04:47,025 --> 00:04:49,985 [suspenseful music] 72 00:04:50,115 --> 00:04:52,117 - Just think of every creepy basement 73 00:04:52,204 --> 00:04:54,250 you've seen in every horror movie. 74 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:55,817 And that's where Ed had to live. 75 00:04:57,688 --> 00:04:59,124 - I walked into complete darkness. 76 00:05:01,997 --> 00:05:04,304 With these pipes wheezing and banging over my head. 77 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:07,045 You know, the rattles, 78 00:05:07,176 --> 00:05:08,351 the weird sounds in the night, 79 00:05:08,438 --> 00:05:11,963 that can be spooky to a kid. [ominous music] 80 00:05:15,358 --> 00:05:17,926 And I've got this horrible terror going on inside of me. 81 00:05:19,449 --> 00:05:22,844 My imagination was vivid. [ominous music] 82 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:32,506 - I was studying forensic psychology in college. 83 00:05:32,593 --> 00:05:33,463 So I wrote him. 84 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:39,164 And anybody that knows Kemper knows he likes to talk. 85 00:05:39,251 --> 00:05:41,166 [ominous music] 86 00:05:41,297 --> 00:05:44,300 I had close to 80 hours of interviews 87 00:05:44,431 --> 00:05:47,825 and several years correspondence through the mail. 88 00:05:47,912 --> 00:05:49,044 [ominous music] 89 00:05:49,174 --> 00:05:51,786 He said the isolation in the basement 90 00:05:51,916 --> 00:05:56,530 is when his fantasies really, really started to evolve. 91 00:05:57,269 --> 00:05:58,662 [ominous music] 92 00:05:58,793 --> 00:05:59,881 He was always scared 93 00:06:00,011 --> 00:06:02,623 that the devil was gonna come outta the furnace. 94 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:03,885 [ominous music] 95 00:06:04,015 --> 00:06:05,321 - Kemper was the middle child. 96 00:06:05,408 --> 00:06:06,540 The only boy. 97 00:06:08,019 --> 00:06:11,022 His mother thought Ed should not be sharing a room 98 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:12,459 with his sisters. 99 00:06:12,589 --> 00:06:15,418 So it made sense to her to put him in the basement. 100 00:06:15,549 --> 00:06:17,289 [suspenseful music] 101 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,944 Ed presents this living arrangement 102 00:06:20,075 --> 00:06:23,078 as sort of a brutal thing for his mother to do 103 00:06:23,208 --> 00:06:26,081 because it scared him so much. 104 00:06:26,168 --> 00:06:31,042 But she thought Ed was awkward and timid. 105 00:06:31,565 --> 00:06:34,306 And so she wanted to toughen him up 106 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:37,875 and also give him a little more independence as a boy. 107 00:06:38,006 --> 00:06:40,878 [suspenseful music] 108 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:48,930 - From the beginning, 109 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:52,716 you had a kind of volatile relationship 110 00:06:52,803 --> 00:06:55,066 between his mother and his father. 111 00:06:55,153 --> 00:06:58,200 I think it was a very destabilizing time for him. 112 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:00,855 And his mother became the focus 113 00:07:00,942 --> 00:07:03,640 in his particular narrative of all of his anger 114 00:07:03,727 --> 00:07:05,250 and feelings of rejection. 115 00:07:07,644 --> 00:07:09,385 - His father was 6'8". 116 00:07:09,472 --> 00:07:10,778 His mother was six feet tall. 117 00:07:10,865 --> 00:07:12,649 They both yelled. 118 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:17,437 But the home was dominated really by Ed's mother. 119 00:07:19,221 --> 00:07:21,484 - If we're talking about Ed Kemper's formative years, 120 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:25,183 he probably saw a father who was using avoidance 121 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:27,359 and being out of the home 122 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:29,492 as a way of dealing with that stress. 123 00:07:29,623 --> 00:07:31,320 [suspenseful music] 124 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:35,498 - When they got divorced, Edmund felt neglected. 125 00:07:35,585 --> 00:07:38,588 His dad would say he was gonna show up and pick him up. 126 00:07:38,675 --> 00:07:40,329 And not show up. 127 00:07:43,027 --> 00:07:45,203 - There was a great hole in my life. 128 00:07:45,334 --> 00:07:50,208 And I started becoming fascinated with things 129 00:07:50,731 --> 00:07:52,559 evolving around death and destruction 130 00:07:52,646 --> 00:07:53,995 and evil and all of that. 131 00:07:55,431 --> 00:07:57,694 When I was about eight or nine years old, 132 00:07:57,825 --> 00:08:00,697 I went to a magic show. [suspenseful music] 133 00:08:00,784 --> 00:08:05,223 - It was a traveling show where they had the guillotine act. 134 00:08:05,354 --> 00:08:07,965 Where they took a young girl out of the audience, 135 00:08:08,052 --> 00:08:10,185 they put her head in the guillotine. 136 00:08:11,578 --> 00:08:13,188 They made it look like they chopped it off 137 00:08:14,406 --> 00:08:16,626 and everybody was horrified. 138 00:08:16,757 --> 00:08:19,411 And Ed was thrilled. [ominous music] 139 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:20,238 - Right at that moment, 140 00:08:20,369 --> 00:08:21,675 I departed reality 141 00:08:21,805 --> 00:08:24,112 because logically I should have been able to ascertain 142 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:25,548 that that could not happen. 143 00:08:25,635 --> 00:08:27,681 You're not gonna get away with chopping somebody's head off. 144 00:08:27,811 --> 00:08:30,727 But the concept of it was so raw and it was titillating. 145 00:08:30,858 --> 00:08:32,033 I says, wow! 146 00:08:32,163 --> 00:08:35,036 And that got caught up in my morbid fascination. 147 00:08:35,166 --> 00:08:36,690 [suspenseful music] 148 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:40,432 - He had issues with wanting to dominate and control people. 149 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,175 And in his mind, taking the head off and possessing it 150 00:08:44,262 --> 00:08:48,223 was his idea of ultimate control over women. 151 00:08:49,267 --> 00:08:51,095 - It was in that darkness 152 00:08:51,226 --> 00:08:53,881 that he begins to really formulate the fantasy 153 00:08:54,011 --> 00:08:57,537 of ultimately killing. [ominous music] 154 00:09:04,456 --> 00:09:07,372 [suspenseful music] 155 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:15,424 - There's a feeling that exists in Santa Cruz 156 00:09:16,773 --> 00:09:18,601 that we're some special place. 157 00:09:18,732 --> 00:09:20,864 [suspenseful music] 158 00:09:20,951 --> 00:09:23,171 Whatever horrible thing is happening in the world, 159 00:09:24,476 --> 00:09:25,695 it's not gonna happen here. 160 00:09:27,697 --> 00:09:30,134 Well, it does happen here. 161 00:09:30,221 --> 00:09:32,702 [suspenseful music] 162 00:09:36,401 --> 00:09:40,928 [suspenseful music] [birds chirping] 163 00:09:45,106 --> 00:09:46,716 It was my very first day of work. 164 00:09:48,109 --> 00:09:50,590 I walked into the sheriff's office. 165 00:09:51,939 --> 00:09:54,463 And they said the news of the day 166 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:57,422 was that they had identified the woman 167 00:09:57,509 --> 00:09:59,294 whose skull was found up in the mountains. 168 00:10:01,339 --> 00:10:04,473 - The skull was identified as Mary Anne Pesce. 169 00:10:05,474 --> 00:10:06,562 18 years old. 170 00:10:06,693 --> 00:10:09,609 [suspenseful music] 171 00:10:18,835 --> 00:10:22,273 Mary Ann Pesce and Anita Luchessa were students 172 00:10:22,404 --> 00:10:24,275 at Fresno State University. 173 00:10:25,668 --> 00:10:27,931 - Mary Ann Pesce was happy go lucky. 174 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:29,324 Teachers liked her. 175 00:10:29,454 --> 00:10:31,587 Very upbeat, very adventurous girl. 176 00:10:34,808 --> 00:10:39,682 Anita Luchessa is a 18-year-old college freshman. 177 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:42,511 She was very popular on the campus 178 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:45,166 and she was very close to her family. 179 00:10:45,253 --> 00:10:47,647 [eerie music] 180 00:10:55,567 --> 00:10:57,439 - [Announcer] On May 7th, 1972, 181 00:10:57,526 --> 00:10:59,180 two Fresno State College coeds 182 00:10:59,310 --> 00:11:01,922 were hitchhiking a ride from here in Berkeley. 183 00:11:02,009 --> 00:11:04,315 - Mary Ann Pesce and Anita Luchessa 184 00:11:04,446 --> 00:11:09,277 had traveled to Berkeley, California to see some friends. 185 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:11,583 - [Announcer] They both had the money for the bus. 186 00:11:11,714 --> 00:11:12,715 Yet they preferred hitchhiking 187 00:11:12,802 --> 00:11:15,152 because, as Mary Ann said, 188 00:11:15,239 --> 00:11:17,459 you meet such interesting people. 189 00:11:17,546 --> 00:11:18,634 - This was was a time 190 00:11:18,765 --> 00:11:21,724 when there were lots of people hitchhiking. 191 00:11:21,855 --> 00:11:24,248 People were freely getting in cars. 192 00:11:24,379 --> 00:11:25,859 - [Reporter] Is there a mystique in hitchhiking 193 00:11:25,989 --> 00:11:27,861 or something that you really get attached to? 194 00:11:27,948 --> 00:11:29,036 - Yeah. 195 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:30,211 Being free. 196 00:11:31,995 --> 00:11:34,998 - Police put together a story of what had probably happened. 197 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:37,522 That they had been kidnapped and apparently murdered. 198 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:41,265 - We hope and pray 199 00:11:41,396 --> 00:11:44,660 that Anita Luchessa is still alive, 200 00:11:44,747 --> 00:11:46,575 but we thought 201 00:11:48,055 --> 00:11:49,796 there was another body we hadn't found yet. 202 00:11:51,232 --> 00:11:55,845 [suspenseful music] [birds shrieking] 203 00:12:02,983 --> 00:12:04,375 [phone ringing] 204 00:12:04,462 --> 00:12:07,204 A call comes to the Santa Cruz Sheriff's Department. 205 00:12:17,475 --> 00:12:19,608 - Cynthia Schall was a Cabrillo College student. 206 00:12:21,305 --> 00:12:25,440 - They said she had gone to school, but had not returned. 207 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:28,051 They, of course, got worried. 208 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:29,749 - The Santa Cruz investigators talked 209 00:12:29,836 --> 00:12:32,490 to a lot of people who knew Cynthia Schall. 210 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:34,884 Was she in trouble with anybody? 211 00:12:34,971 --> 00:12:37,278 Was there any reason for her to flee? 212 00:12:37,365 --> 00:12:39,106 And there wasn't. [suspenseful music] 213 00:12:39,236 --> 00:12:41,630 - But they did say she was known to hitchhike. 214 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,465 [suspenseful music] 215 00:12:55,644 --> 00:12:57,472 - [Announcer] Cynthia Ann Schall was last seen 216 00:12:57,602 --> 00:12:58,778 as she left her Santa Cruz home, 217 00:12:58,908 --> 00:13:00,083 saying she intended to hitchhike 218 00:13:00,214 --> 00:13:01,476 to classes at Cabrillo College. 219 00:13:02,956 --> 00:13:04,653 But there is no clue to her whereabouts. 220 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:09,223 - Cynthia Schall really hits home 221 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:10,485 in Santa Cruz County 222 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:12,879 because she lives 223 00:13:12,966 --> 00:13:16,621 in a little seaside community called Capitola. 224 00:13:18,101 --> 00:13:20,321 And that's right here. 225 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:25,587 People in the area are hyper aware 226 00:13:25,674 --> 00:13:27,981 of the frantic search for her. 227 00:13:29,417 --> 00:13:33,987 [suspenseful music] [waves whooshing] 228 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,127 - [Announcer] A grisly story began in this cove. 229 00:13:44,214 --> 00:13:46,869 The upper part of a girl's torso washed up on this beach, 230 00:13:46,956 --> 00:13:48,697 two miles north of the Santa Cruz Pier. 231 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:52,222 Then a hand was found two days later by a surfer 232 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:53,789 who was in the water near Capitola, 233 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:55,182 seven miles to the southeast. 234 00:13:56,792 --> 00:13:59,969 - These are very, almost expertly, 235 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:02,798 severed pieces of body. 236 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:04,191 [suspenseful music] 237 00:14:04,278 --> 00:14:07,934 - Very soon after that, other body parts were found. 238 00:14:08,021 --> 00:14:10,980 A head was not found, however. 239 00:14:11,067 --> 00:14:15,332 - We were able to positively ID those body parts 240 00:14:15,419 --> 00:14:16,856 from fingerprints 241 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:20,381 and from x-rays. [suspenseful music] 242 00:14:20,468 --> 00:14:22,992 - We have established beyond any reasonable 243 00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:26,082 and questionable doubt that the remains found 244 00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:29,781 are the remains of the missing person in our community. 245 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:31,392 - [Reporter] This is Cynthia Ann Schall? 246 00:14:31,479 --> 00:14:32,219 - Correct. 247 00:14:35,396 --> 00:14:36,223 - I was stunned. 248 00:14:38,051 --> 00:14:40,967 My wife and I had three little kids 249 00:14:41,054 --> 00:14:45,754 and we had arranged her to babysit occasionally for us. 250 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:48,583 Remembering her face. 251 00:14:48,713 --> 00:14:51,847 Remembering her watching my children. 252 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:54,458 You know, these things are going through my mind. 253 00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:55,720 [suspenseful music] 254 00:14:55,807 --> 00:15:00,769 - We have a local girl murdered and cut to pieces. 255 00:15:02,118 --> 00:15:04,207 So you can imagine now the anxiety 256 00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:07,907 of what was going on in Santa Cruz County. 257 00:15:09,691 --> 00:15:11,998 - I do remember when body parts started washing up 258 00:15:12,128 --> 00:15:12,912 on the shore. 259 00:15:15,349 --> 00:15:18,743 And it was really freaky. 260 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,878 It's just very unsettling to know 261 00:15:22,965 --> 00:15:27,839 that whoever is doing this is still out there. 262 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,452 - The residents of this area, understandably, are edgy. 263 00:15:31,539 --> 00:15:33,280 It was just six months ago that a human head 264 00:15:33,367 --> 00:15:35,543 was found in the hills not too far from here. 265 00:15:35,673 --> 00:15:38,502 And the details of that murder still are a mystery. 266 00:15:38,589 --> 00:15:41,462 [suspenseful music] 267 00:15:51,733 --> 00:15:54,127 [eerie music] 268 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:10,404 - When I was 14 years old, I ran away from my mother. 269 00:16:10,491 --> 00:16:11,840 I wanted to be with my father. 270 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,758 And I wanted to get away from my mother 271 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:20,370 because I was dreaming, thinking, fantasizing murder 272 00:16:20,457 --> 00:16:21,415 all day long. 273 00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:23,504 [ominous music] 274 00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:24,984 I couldn't get it outta my head. 275 00:16:26,855 --> 00:16:31,686 [eerie music] [kettle whistling] 276 00:16:32,513 --> 00:16:33,731 - An important part 277 00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:36,865 in the life of many serial killers is fantasy. 278 00:16:38,214 --> 00:16:40,564 There's a kind of brooding about what life 279 00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:44,046 could have been like if it weren't for factor X. 280 00:16:44,133 --> 00:16:45,526 [eerie music] 281 00:16:45,656 --> 00:16:48,442 Anytime Ed Kemper felt resentment, 282 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:49,878 it was tied back to his mother. 283 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,143 - So when he went to live with his father, 284 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:56,276 he found his father had a whole new life. 285 00:16:56,406 --> 00:16:57,755 [ominous music] 286 00:16:57,842 --> 00:17:02,195 - His father had remarried and had a beautiful wife. 287 00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:07,156 A stepson about Kemper's age. 288 00:17:07,287 --> 00:17:11,378 And Kemper had to try to fit into this new household. 289 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:12,857 [ominous music] 290 00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:14,337 - I'm sure he was bitter. 291 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:18,211 He always thought he was the apple of his father's eye. 292 00:17:19,908 --> 00:17:23,259 - Ed wanted that perfect sitcom of the 50s, 293 00:17:23,346 --> 00:17:25,261 "Leave it to Beaver" type family. 294 00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:27,394 So for a short period, 295 00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:28,960 it was okay. 296 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,571 - We say, gee, dad, you know, 297 00:17:30,701 --> 00:17:31,746 you're going out to dinner tonight. 298 00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:32,790 Can we go someplace and eat? 299 00:17:32,877 --> 00:17:33,487 And he'd say, sure. 300 00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:35,010 Give us a few dollars. 301 00:17:35,141 --> 00:17:38,187 We'd go down to some little diner down the street. 302 00:17:38,274 --> 00:17:39,797 He treated us like little men. 303 00:17:39,884 --> 00:17:40,972 [suspenseful music] 304 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,366 - But he so idealized his father 305 00:17:43,453 --> 00:17:48,241 that he really didn't see how uncomfortable this was 306 00:17:48,371 --> 00:17:52,201 for his father and his new stepmother. 307 00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:54,899 [ominous music] 308 00:17:59,948 --> 00:18:02,429 [ominous music] 309 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,784 - As the body parts floated in from the ocean, 310 00:18:11,525 --> 00:18:14,745 there was no longer any doubt in the community's mind 311 00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:16,573 that there was something really wrong. 312 00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:21,970 There was somebody doing some bad things. 313 00:18:22,057 --> 00:18:24,973 [suspenseful music] 314 00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:32,328 - [Dispatcher] [indistinct] Roger. 315 00:18:32,415 --> 00:18:36,463 - We didn't have any information as to a suspect. 316 00:18:36,593 --> 00:18:39,814 So we were just doing guesswork. 317 00:18:39,901 --> 00:18:41,729 [suspenseful music] [siren wailing] 318 00:18:41,816 --> 00:18:44,645 - What is similar in these cases? 319 00:18:44,775 --> 00:18:45,472 Coed. 320 00:18:46,603 --> 00:18:47,474 Location. 321 00:18:49,171 --> 00:18:51,304 - These were young women who were hitchhiking. 322 00:18:52,653 --> 00:18:54,350 - A lot of warnings went out. 323 00:18:54,437 --> 00:18:56,004 Please be careful. 324 00:18:56,091 --> 00:18:57,179 Don't hitchhike. 325 00:18:57,266 --> 00:18:59,399 Don't go out alone. 326 00:18:59,486 --> 00:19:01,792 - We felt like our hands were not so much tied, 327 00:19:01,879 --> 00:19:05,709 but we couldn't figure out how to stop it. 328 00:19:05,796 --> 00:19:07,058 [suspenseful music] 329 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:09,322 - There was kind of a shock to the community. 330 00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:14,022 How could this be happening in our little Garden of Eden? 331 00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:21,029 [waves whooshing] 332 00:19:21,116 --> 00:19:23,684 [suspenseful music] 333 00:19:25,947 --> 00:19:27,209 [siren wails] [radio sputters] 334 00:19:27,296 --> 00:19:30,865 I was talking to the investigators every single day. 335 00:19:30,952 --> 00:19:32,867 They were extremely frustrated. 336 00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:37,393 Because the victims of these crimes were completely random 337 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,787 and there is nothing more difficult to investigate 338 00:19:39,874 --> 00:19:41,267 than random killings. 339 00:19:41,354 --> 00:19:42,877 [suspenseful music] 340 00:19:42,964 --> 00:19:46,750 - There's a lotta pressure to figure this out on all of us. 341 00:19:46,837 --> 00:19:49,710 [suspenseful music] 342 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,546 This one truly tugged at everybody. 343 00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:06,379 Aiko Koo is a 15-year-old high school student. 344 00:20:07,989 --> 00:20:10,513 Very talented ballet dancer. [melancholy music] 345 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,341 Her mother's a librarian 346 00:20:12,428 --> 00:20:14,909 at the University of California at Berkeley. 347 00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:16,127 [melancholy music] 348 00:20:16,258 --> 00:20:20,567 The police learned Aiko Koo missed the bus 349 00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:23,396 and got into a car and disappeared. 350 00:20:25,615 --> 00:20:29,053 Aiko Koo's mother was making thousands of posters 351 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:33,188 and putting 'em on every telephone pole in the Bay Area. 352 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:35,234 It's hard to describe how 353 00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:39,803 painful this was. [melancholy music] 354 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,588 I mean, this was so 355 00:20:43,764 --> 00:20:45,069 hard for her. 356 00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:47,071 I mean, it just crushed her heart. 357 00:20:47,202 --> 00:20:48,159 - Yeah. We used to hitchhike. 358 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:49,248 But now it's not real safe to do it. 359 00:20:49,335 --> 00:20:50,074 So we don't. 360 00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:51,250 - [Reporter] Why did you quit? 361 00:20:52,903 --> 00:20:54,862 - Because of all the weird things that have been happening, 362 00:20:54,992 --> 00:20:57,995 with the girls being chopped up and things like that. 363 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:00,955 [suspenseful music] 364 00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:28,678 - When I was 14 years old, I go stay with my dad. 365 00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:32,334 And this opened up whole new feelings in me 366 00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:34,031 that I'd never had before. 367 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:35,772 And I wish I'd had more experience 368 00:21:35,903 --> 00:21:37,513 with my father growing up. 369 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,254 [suspenseful music] 370 00:21:39,341 --> 00:21:40,560 - He hated his mother. 371 00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:42,170 He loved his dad. 372 00:21:42,257 --> 00:21:44,041 That would've been a dream for Edmund 373 00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:47,131 to have things work out living with his father. 374 00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:52,833 - Ed's stepmother was absolutely terrified of him. 375 00:21:55,226 --> 00:21:57,228 - Ed had this way of looking at people 376 00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:00,275 with kind of a weird, empty stare. 377 00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:01,668 That unnerved her. 378 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:07,674 On top of that, he's very tall and intimidating. 379 00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:10,590 She had not bargained for having to deal 380 00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:14,028 with this teenage boy coming into their home 381 00:22:14,115 --> 00:22:15,812 out of the blue. 382 00:22:15,899 --> 00:22:18,641 So she put pressure on Ed's father. 383 00:22:18,728 --> 00:22:20,513 You know, he can't stay with us. 384 00:22:23,254 --> 00:22:26,475 - We were vying for his interest, vying for his love. 385 00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:27,955 So we fought each other a lot. 386 00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:30,218 And it was a lot of friction and he couldn't handle that. 387 00:22:30,305 --> 00:22:33,003 [suspenseful music] 388 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:36,616 - Finally, Ed's father took Ed 389 00:22:36,703 --> 00:22:41,272 to his parents' 17-acre ranch in California. 390 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:46,060 Ostensibly to go for a visit over a Christmas vacation. 391 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,368 But when Ed's father went to leave, 392 00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,762 he told Ed, no, you're staying. 393 00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:54,721 [eerie music] 394 00:22:54,808 --> 00:22:57,027 - We went up to the mountains to stay for Christmas. 395 00:22:57,114 --> 00:23:00,161 And I got left behind. [eerie music] 396 00:23:00,248 --> 00:23:02,642 - Ed was completely betrayed. 397 00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:07,255 His father basically lied to him and also abandoned him. 398 00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:10,780 - I got left there. 399 00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:12,739 I was old family. I was already failure. 400 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,785 So he got rid of me. 401 00:23:15,872 --> 00:23:18,745 [suspenseful music] 402 00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:28,755 [bright music] [people chattering] 403 00:23:34,935 --> 00:23:39,766 - Alice Liu and Rosalind Thorpe 404 00:23:40,723 --> 00:23:41,811 are coeds attending 405 00:23:41,942 --> 00:23:44,684 the University of California at Santa Cruz. 406 00:23:44,771 --> 00:23:46,816 They don't return from class. 407 00:23:46,903 --> 00:23:49,166 Their friends get worried, 408 00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:51,647 report them missing to the city of Santa Cruz. 409 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:53,127 [suspenseful music] 410 00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:54,302 - It really hit home 411 00:23:54,389 --> 00:23:57,914 when it happened right on our own campus, 412 00:23:58,001 --> 00:23:59,002 our own students. 413 00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:01,048 [suspenseful music] 414 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:02,963 We were all very frightened. 415 00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:08,490 During my long walks home from my babysitting jobs 416 00:24:08,577 --> 00:24:10,971 at 10 or 11 at night. 417 00:24:12,146 --> 00:24:14,496 Alone in the dark. 418 00:24:14,627 --> 00:24:18,544 And my keys clutched between my fingers. 419 00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:21,460 So I could defend myself against an attacker. 420 00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:27,030 I can still, almost 50 years later, 421 00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:28,989 just feel in my bones 422 00:24:29,946 --> 00:24:32,732 just being so afraid. 423 00:24:32,862 --> 00:24:35,169 [eerie music] 424 00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:52,229 - Maybe they got a ride. 425 00:24:52,316 --> 00:24:54,144 [suspenseful music] 426 00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:58,366 Just got into a car and disappeared. 427 00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,935 [police radio chatter] 428 00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,764 We needed to get information into every officer, 429 00:25:04,894 --> 00:25:05,678 every patrol car. 430 00:25:07,723 --> 00:25:09,856 It's like, oh God, is this ever gonna end? 431 00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:19,387 [suspenseful music] 432 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,786 - First weekend after we knew that Alice and Rosalind 433 00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:28,875 had gone missing, 434 00:25:29,005 --> 00:25:33,401 we instituted a search on campus. 435 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:36,012 We would walk along the edges of the roadways 436 00:25:36,143 --> 00:25:38,537 because we knew that women 437 00:25:38,624 --> 00:25:42,845 were being kidnapped by people in vehicles. 438 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:48,721 I was feeling a sense of dread of what we might find. 439 00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:56,206 [suspenseful music] [birds chirping] 440 00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:10,656 - They determine these are the dismembered bodies, 441 00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:17,445 the remains, of Alice Liu and Rosalind Thorpe. 442 00:26:18,446 --> 00:26:21,014 - I felt so sad for the parents. 443 00:26:21,101 --> 00:26:25,235 After they learned that their daughters had been killed. 444 00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:29,588 There was a huge amount of grief on campus. 445 00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:33,287 It was maddening to know 446 00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:35,898 that the perpetrator had not been found. 447 00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,857 [suspenseful music] 448 00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:39,032 - The feeling in the community was, 449 00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:40,337 we've got a big problem here. 450 00:26:40,468 --> 00:26:42,644 We've gotta protect ourselves. 451 00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:44,211 But what do we do? 452 00:26:44,298 --> 00:26:46,082 What the hell's going on? 453 00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:49,085 [suspenseful music] 454 00:27:12,282 --> 00:27:13,196 - You know, I went to live with Dad. 455 00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:14,763 He sends me up to Grandma. 456 00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:17,418 Now she's got me and my mother, 457 00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:19,507 the last thing she said to me about my grandmother was, 458 00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:20,856 don't hurt them. 459 00:27:20,943 --> 00:27:21,596 You know, my grandparents. 460 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,554 Don't hurt them. 461 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:26,079 - Edmund got dumped off and abandoned 462 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:28,342 at his grandparents' house. 463 00:27:28,429 --> 00:27:31,737 And that was the straw that broke the camel's back. 464 00:27:31,867 --> 00:27:35,871 He was mad at everybody in his inner circle 465 00:27:35,958 --> 00:27:37,481 that rejected him. 466 00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:40,049 [suspenseful music] [birds chirping] 467 00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:44,663 - I met Ed shortly after he moved in with his grandparents. 468 00:27:45,968 --> 00:27:48,797 We were both freshmen in high school. 469 00:27:48,928 --> 00:27:51,539 And Ed sort of stood out because he was very, very tall, 470 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:52,801 about 6'4". 471 00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:56,979 I remember while we're waiting for the school bus, 472 00:27:57,066 --> 00:28:01,157 Ed tells me this very, very detailed story. 473 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:05,466 One of our neighbors, he passed away. 474 00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:10,079 Grandpa Kemper and Ed went down to the house. 475 00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:14,693 And because Ed Kemper was, you know, a big, big kid, 476 00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:18,000 he helped the coroner carry the body out. 477 00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:20,873 And he talked about the man's wife. 478 00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:25,051 She's crying. She's bereft. 479 00:28:25,181 --> 00:28:27,618 And he was just so put off by that 480 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:31,535 and so contemptuous of her grief 481 00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:36,149 And I was struck at the time 482 00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:39,718 at the complete lack of empathy for the suffering 483 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,023 of somebody else. 484 00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:43,722 Her husband just died. 485 00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:46,028 You know, of course she's gonna cry. 486 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:50,554 [suspenseful music] 487 00:28:57,431 --> 00:28:59,694 - He didn't socialize a lot. 488 00:28:59,825 --> 00:29:02,131 That's usually where you learn empathy 489 00:29:02,262 --> 00:29:05,569 and you begin to feel things for other people. 490 00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:08,877 - Ed was a country boy. 491 00:29:08,964 --> 00:29:11,314 And a lotta country boys grow up as hunters. 492 00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:13,316 His father was a hunter. 493 00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:15,623 You start with a BB gun. 494 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:19,801 Then you get a .22. [suspenseful music] 495 00:29:19,888 --> 00:29:22,586 - He was always on little adventures outside. 496 00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:27,591 One time he shot a blue jay. 497 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:33,641 The bird fell down and started like squawking really loud. 498 00:29:35,425 --> 00:29:38,689 He was taught what he could kill and what he couldn't. 499 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:41,475 And blue jays were off limits. 500 00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:43,477 [eerie music] 501 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:46,088 - Ed Kemper goes out and commits this brazen act 502 00:29:46,219 --> 00:29:49,309 that he's coming to associate with masculinity and power. 503 00:29:49,439 --> 00:29:52,355 And taking a life is linked to that. 504 00:29:52,442 --> 00:29:53,879 [suspenseful music] 505 00:29:53,966 --> 00:29:55,968 - His grandmother found out 506 00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:58,318 and he got in trouble for killing the blue jay. 507 00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:02,191 - His grandmother was a dominating figure 508 00:30:02,322 --> 00:30:03,889 like his mother was. 509 00:30:04,019 --> 00:30:07,327 And he began to build resentment toward her 510 00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:10,417 because she didn't really trust him. 511 00:30:10,504 --> 00:30:14,682 He didn't like being told what to do over and over and over. 512 00:30:16,118 --> 00:30:17,250 - She never let me get out of her sight 513 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:19,339 for more than an hour without yelling my name out 514 00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,123 to see where I was. 515 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:22,777 I would go back to my bedroom 516 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,912 and I'd go off into fantasy worlds 517 00:30:26,999 --> 00:30:28,391 that you'd never wanna share with anybody 518 00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:29,740 because they're so cruel 519 00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:34,136 or they're so unspeakably out of sync with reality. 520 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,008 [suspenseful music] 521 00:30:36,138 --> 00:30:38,445 - He got angry and resentful. 522 00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,142 And he would then go down to the outhouse 523 00:30:40,273 --> 00:30:42,362 and shoot bullets into it, 524 00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:45,365 imagining her inside. 525 00:30:47,976 --> 00:30:51,850 - And the fantasies started getting more and more harsh 526 00:30:51,937 --> 00:30:56,680 and deviant and sick. [suspenseful music] 527 00:30:58,334 --> 00:31:00,554 - I started developing the fantasies toward her. 528 00:31:00,684 --> 00:31:01,381 Killing her. 529 00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:05,646 And the decapitation fantasies were even there. 530 00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:08,040 They were in place by then already. 531 00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:12,958 - What were they? 532 00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:19,312 - Possessing the severed heads of women. 533 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,881 [eerie music] 534 00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:33,065 [siren wails] 535 00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:36,068 - [Dispatcher] [indistinct] location. 536 00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:38,592 - I was working the graveyard shift. 537 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,421 It got to be pretty boring. 538 00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:43,858 And then the phone rings. 539 00:31:46,295 --> 00:31:49,777 And the officer who was working dispatch answered the phone. 540 00:31:51,605 --> 00:31:52,823 He said, it's Ed Kemper. 541 00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:54,782 [suspenseful music] 542 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:55,870 And now, I know Ed. 543 00:31:57,045 --> 00:31:59,308 He worked at a gas station 544 00:31:59,395 --> 00:32:03,617 about three blocks from the Jury Room. 545 00:32:03,747 --> 00:32:07,055 It was a watering hole for the law enforcement 546 00:32:07,186 --> 00:32:09,710 around the Santa Cruz area. 547 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,627 Ed Kemper would occasionally come down to the Jury Room 548 00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:17,022 and sit with us while we sit there and had beers. 549 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:21,374 So I get on the phone and I said, 550 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:24,464 hey, Ed, this is Jim Conner. 551 00:32:24,551 --> 00:32:25,726 He said, oh, hi Jim, how you doing? 552 00:32:25,856 --> 00:32:26,770 Something like that. 553 00:32:28,207 --> 00:32:32,472 He said, well, I know you guys are looking for me. 554 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,301 And as soon as you guys find me, you're gonna kill me. 555 00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:40,567 What do you mean Ed? [suspenseful music] 556 00:32:40,654 --> 00:32:43,091 He said, well, I killed her. 557 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:51,491 [eerie music] 558 00:32:56,235 --> 00:32:58,672 During my conversation with Ed, 559 00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:03,982 he admitted to me that he had killed his mother 560 00:33:06,201 --> 00:33:07,507 and her coworker. 561 00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:12,164 [suspenseful music] 562 00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,045 I can't describe the feeling 563 00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:28,006 that I was overcome by at that point. 564 00:33:30,138 --> 00:33:32,793 I am just so blown away because I've known this guy, 565 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,708 at least I thought I knew him, 566 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:36,188 for quite some time. 567 00:33:37,189 --> 00:33:39,234 [suspenseful music] 568 00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:43,195 So I said, Ed, you've known me for a long time. 569 00:33:43,282 --> 00:33:45,197 I just need know where you are. 570 00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:51,507 He said, I'm in a phone booth in Pueblo, Colorado. 571 00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:53,466 [suspenseful music] 572 00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:56,947 - After Ed murdered his mother and her friend, 573 00:33:57,078 --> 00:34:02,040 he took off across the country to Colorado. 574 00:34:02,649 --> 00:34:06,044 He was exhausted and he realized he had no place to go. 575 00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:09,699 His mother had always taken care of him 576 00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:11,397 and now she was dead, thanks to him. 577 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,575 - And I had the other officer get on the phone 578 00:34:15,662 --> 00:34:17,403 and call Pueblo PD 579 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:22,234 and have him go out and put Ed under arrest. 580 00:34:23,322 --> 00:34:26,194 [suspenseful music] 581 00:34:34,811 --> 00:34:37,075 - It was the cleanest house you've ever walked into. 582 00:34:38,337 --> 00:34:40,078 The only way you would know 583 00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:42,689 that there was something wrong in that house 584 00:34:42,776 --> 00:34:44,430 was because of the smell. 585 00:34:46,736 --> 00:34:49,478 There's this long walk-in closet. 586 00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:53,482 At the end of the closet, we find Kemper's mother. 587 00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:55,354 [suspenseful music] 588 00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:56,964 He cut her head off. 589 00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:02,578 And she was completely washed clean. 590 00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:05,451 [suspenseful music] 591 00:35:06,539 --> 00:35:08,845 And her friend, 592 00:35:08,932 --> 00:35:10,934 she was in the front closet, 593 00:35:11,021 --> 00:35:12,458 had been beaten to death. 594 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:15,330 When the contingent of officers 595 00:35:15,461 --> 00:35:19,726 from Santa Cruz County arrived in Pueblo, 596 00:35:19,813 --> 00:35:21,467 they sat down with Ed Kemper 597 00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:24,122 and he confessed 598 00:35:26,341 --> 00:35:27,995 to killing six co-eds. 599 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:31,999 [suspenseful music] 600 00:35:34,523 --> 00:35:37,613 - I think there was probably a great deal of shock 601 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:41,617 that this individual could be the person killing the co-eds. 602 00:35:41,704 --> 00:35:44,838 Because there were certain aspects of Kemper's personality 603 00:35:44,925 --> 00:35:47,841 where he was, in fact, very charming, likable. 604 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:50,409 But when they look back and realize 605 00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:54,717 that he had killed before at the young age of 15, 606 00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:57,416 it must have been quite a wake up call 607 00:35:57,503 --> 00:35:58,721 about the type of individual 608 00:35:58,852 --> 00:36:00,332 that they were actually dealing with. 609 00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:04,510 [suspenseful music] 610 00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:21,701 - I got this domineering grandmother on my father's side. 611 00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:25,705 I was up there with them for 10 months. 612 00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:29,448 At first, it was okay, 613 00:36:29,535 --> 00:36:32,712 'cause it was the calm of being away from my mother. 614 00:36:32,799 --> 00:36:34,061 Was going to a good school. 615 00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:36,498 As the months went on, 616 00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:38,892 the veneer went away 617 00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:44,680 and the passions and the tension started building. 618 00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:46,160 [suspenseful music] 619 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,336 - Ed Kemper was 15 years old. 620 00:36:48,423 --> 00:36:51,731 And at that point, had hit a peak of aggression 621 00:36:51,861 --> 00:36:54,516 and he was sort of a ticking time bomb. 622 00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,127 [suspenseful music] 623 00:36:57,258 --> 00:37:00,261 - That day, Ed's grandfather had gone 624 00:37:00,348 --> 00:37:02,220 to the store to pick up groceries. 625 00:37:03,786 --> 00:37:05,571 Ed was alone with his grandmother. 626 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:10,532 She was working on stories for a boy's magazine. 627 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:13,927 He wanted to go hunting. 628 00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:16,103 Picked up his rifle. 629 00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:20,412 And she said again to him, 630 00:37:23,023 --> 00:37:24,677 don't shoot the birds. 631 00:37:24,764 --> 00:37:27,419 [dramatic music] 632 00:37:29,508 --> 00:37:32,989 - I was building up big loads of frustration inside. 633 00:37:33,076 --> 00:37:36,950 Big loads of hatred 634 00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:40,127 because I had no outlet for it. 635 00:37:41,998 --> 00:37:45,306 And it started simmering, I guess. 636 00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:47,395 [dramatic music] 637 00:37:47,526 --> 00:37:49,571 - He just turns around, 638 00:37:49,702 --> 00:37:50,964 looks at his grandmother. 639 00:37:52,139 --> 00:37:54,489 - I mean, it wasn't rational. 640 00:37:54,576 --> 00:37:58,058 - He sees the back of her head, aims his rifle. 641 00:37:58,188 --> 00:38:00,626 - And it was pure horror. 642 00:38:00,713 --> 00:38:03,281 [ominous music] 643 00:38:08,808 --> 00:38:10,375 [suspenseful music] 644 00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:26,739 My grandmother had made agreements with me from the gate 645 00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:27,914 that she wouldn't get 646 00:38:28,044 --> 00:38:29,916 into little humiliating mind games with me. 647 00:38:31,526 --> 00:38:33,006 Like my mother had done. 648 00:38:33,136 --> 00:38:34,703 [suspenseful music] 649 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,967 Well very soon after that, 650 00:38:38,098 --> 00:38:39,491 the mind game stuff started up. 651 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:46,933 - Kemper was prone to sudden rage. 652 00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:50,632 It was, I've had it! 653 00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:55,028 She's mouthed off for the last time. 654 00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:56,899 [suspenseful music] 655 00:38:56,986 --> 00:39:00,033 - I was really aware of the evil I was capable of. 656 00:39:00,163 --> 00:39:02,514 You know, the murderous violence. 657 00:39:03,993 --> 00:39:06,039 - And something snaps in his head. 658 00:39:06,126 --> 00:39:09,303 He turned a gun on her and he shoots her in the head. 659 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:12,001 [dramatic music] 660 00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:15,918 - He then shot her twice more, 661 00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:18,660 dragged her body into the bedroom. 662 00:39:18,747 --> 00:39:22,403 And he needed to be sure she was dead, so he stabbed her. 663 00:39:22,534 --> 00:39:24,405 [suspenseful music] 664 00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:26,451 - He had such rage. 665 00:39:26,538 --> 00:39:27,974 He said that 666 00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:30,542 if the knife wouldn't have broke 667 00:39:30,672 --> 00:39:33,153 under the clavicle of his grandmother, 668 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,851 he would've never stopped stabbing. 669 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:38,854 [suspenseful music] 670 00:39:45,078 --> 00:39:47,472 - So now Ed's panicking. 671 00:39:47,602 --> 00:39:49,517 And he calls his mother, 672 00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:51,606 of all people in the world, 673 00:39:51,737 --> 00:39:54,827 and tells her I just killed grandpa and grandma. 674 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:07,579 [suspenseful music] 675 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,981 - One thing that Kemper is learning 676 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:25,771 as he listens to sex offenders is that women are objects. 677 00:40:25,858 --> 00:40:27,250 And he's being affirmed 678 00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:29,644 in some of the fantasies he's already had 679 00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:32,908 about how to control them by killing them. 680 00:40:34,475 --> 00:40:38,348 Ed also learned very quickly the kinds of things 681 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:40,699 the psychiatrists were looking for. 682 00:40:40,786 --> 00:40:43,615 [suspenseful music] 683 00:41:04,374 --> 00:41:06,681 - When he's put in an environment with his mother, 684 00:41:06,768 --> 00:41:09,031 he began to fantasize about acting out. 685 00:41:09,118 --> 00:41:10,119 The unfortunate reality is 686 00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:12,818 that upon his release from Atascadero, 687 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:18,954 innocent people would become victims of his fantasy world. 688 00:41:19,825 --> 00:41:22,480 [suspenseful music] 689 00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:36,450 Ultimately, Ed Kemper fell into the pattern 690 00:41:36,581 --> 00:41:40,236 that you see in some men who commit serial sexual homicide. 691 00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:42,891 Aggressive and sexualized fantasies. 692 00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:45,111 The feelings of rejection. 693 00:41:45,241 --> 00:41:47,983 And then ultimately it spills over into the first act. 694 00:41:49,594 --> 00:41:51,334 And then with every killing, 695 00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:53,989 there's an attempt to perfect that fantasy 696 00:41:54,076 --> 00:41:57,384 until its actual underpinnings are revealed. 697 00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:00,822 Which is the killing of his mother. 698 00:42:00,953 --> 00:42:04,347 [suspenseful music] 699 00:42:04,478 --> 00:42:09,048 - I had a real bad problem depriving people of their lives. 700 00:42:09,178 --> 00:42:12,442 It wasn't the aspect of killing them. 701 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,707 It was the aspect of possessing their bodies afterwards. 702 00:42:15,794 --> 00:42:18,710 So it was almost after an effect, 703 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,147 evicting someone from their human body. 704 00:42:21,277 --> 00:42:23,845 [suspenseful music] 705 00:42:23,976 --> 00:42:24,890 I'm sorry it sounds so cold, 706 00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,545 but that's about what it analogizes to. 707 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,508 - What would've been ahead for all these people 708 00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:36,554 whose lives were snuffed out? 709 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:40,688 I'm sure they all could have had lives 710 00:42:40,819 --> 00:42:42,647 just as wonderful as mine. [suspenseful music] 711 00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:47,826 - You can't investigate all these murder cases 712 00:42:47,956 --> 00:42:49,262 or any murder case 713 00:42:50,916 --> 00:42:56,922 and not have things kind of just get burned into your brain. 714 00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:01,970 You can't erase it. 715 00:43:02,101 --> 00:43:07,019 [suspenseful music] [waves whooshing] 50399

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