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I'm Stephen Davis, an investigative
journalist from New Zealand.
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I've have worked all over the world,
in newspapers and television.
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My investigations cover a lot of topics,
but they all have one thing in common:
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Governments, corporations or the rich
and powerful covering things up.
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That's what drives me, the people
who've been lied to or not given answers.
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They're desperate to find out one thing,
and that's the truth.
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It's clear to me
there was a major cover-up
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following the sinking of the Estonia.
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During my investigation into the sinking,
I discovered the existence of this treaty
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which covered the burial site.
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The governments of Estonia,
Finland and Sweden agree
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that this is to be regarded
as a burial site,
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and therefore it is a crime
to dive down to the wreck.
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The treaty was signed by Baltic nations,
and also strangely by the UK,
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which is not a Baltic nation.
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It's ridiculous that they signed the
treaty, pretending to be a Baltic nation.
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I submitted a Freedom of Information Act
request to the British government
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to find out why the treaty was signed,
and I got completely stonewalled.
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Why did the British sign the treaty
to prevent exploration of the ferry?
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Tonight, we look at the strange journey
of Richard Tomlinson.
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The boy from Ngāruawāhia who became a spy
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and ended up a man without a country.
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Living in exile in the south of France,
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unable to return to New Zealand,
and a wanted man in Britain.
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Richard Tomlinson was an MI6 agent
who had been sacked
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in mysterious circumstances
by the intelligence agency.
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You must know things
they don't want you to talk about.
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The more they've harassed me,
the more it's been built up in the minds
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of the media, the public and,
more dangerously, other police forces.
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I always realized he knew lots of secrets,
but didn't expect him to disclose any.
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The British government had put him in
a position where he was angry and upset.
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He had something to tell me.
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I discovered that he had
a New Zealand passport.
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He was New Zealand-born.
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What we arranged for him to do,
was to go to Paris
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and then use his New Zealand passport
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to get a plane from Paris to Auckland,
New Zealand, where I would meet him.
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He said to me: "Are you aware of this?"
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And he pulled out a document
from his briefcase and handed it to me.
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It was a document about the sinking
of the ferry Estonia.
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He asked if I was familiar with the story,
and I said I knew about it,
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but asked what it had to do with them.
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He said that I should look into the story.
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"We were involved in a smuggling
operation on the Estonia."
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"There's more to this than meets the eye.
You should investigate it."
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I asked if he meant MI6,
and he said: "Yes, MI6."
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After six and a half years in power,
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Mikhail Gorbachev confirmed
his resignation on television tonight.
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The symbol of the old administration
was removed.
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The red flag was replaced
by the Russian banner
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at the very moment
Gorbachev officially became
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the eighth and last leader
of the Soviet Union.
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I was lucky enough that I came of age
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at the time
when Estonia regained its independence.
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It was like a fever.
People were euphoric.
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The most iconic event was
this chain made of people holding hands.
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This chain started in Tallinn
and extended to the capital of Lithuania.
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If I say that it was a big thing,
I'm underestimating it, obviously.
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They call it "The Singing Revolution"
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because there were
a lot of big, rally-type meetings
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with hundreds of thousands of people
coming together.
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And it involved a lot of singing.
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We were again on the map, so to speak.
We were taken seriously.
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We were now, suddenly,
again masters of our own land.
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In 1991, I was appointed Sweden's,
or not just Sweden's,
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but the very first ambassador to Estonia.
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It was mere days after Estonia
had regained its independence.
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The country relied heavily
on ferry traffic.
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The demand for both passenger
and vehicle capacity
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was higher than what was available.
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The search for a new vessel resulted
in what was christened the Estonia.
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This vessel was crucial in Estonia
quickly finding its feet as a country.
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Many people got their first experience
with Western society
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on board the Estonia.
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Many people saw, for instance,
oysters in the buffet
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or pineapples for the first time.
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You would step on board the Estonia,
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and you would basically step into
the West and the capitalist society.
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Naming the vessel after the country,
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showed how important it was to Estonia.
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After the liberation
of the Baltic nations,
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we were asked to discontinue
the Soviet bases.
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That meant a lot of weaponry
and military equipment,
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of Soviet and Russian origin,
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suddenly had to be moved,
and a lot of it got lost.
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It's described as
resembling the Wild West.
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It was sold, bought
and moved out of the country.
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No one really kept track of
where the weaponry and material went.
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The situation stirred up interest
in Sweden and the West,
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who also wanted to get their hands
on these sought-after Soviet weapons.
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When the Estonians
finally got their freedom,
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they were very concerned about
how long that freedom would last.
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They turned to the West for help.
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They wanted the West to see them
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as a country that deserved
protection against Russia.
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Their first priority was to set up
a good intelligence service.
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They turned to MI6 to help them
found their new intelligence agency.
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The MI6 already had a long-term
relationship with Swedish intelligence.
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It was natural for the Swedes and
the Estonians to get together with MI6
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and run operations against Russia.
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You got stuff out of Russia, brought it
into Estonia across the border.
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You took it to the port, put it on a ship
and offloaded it in Sweden.
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It was a very successful route,
which they used for a number of years.
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The Estonian passenger ferry, the
Estonia, with 867 passengers on board,
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sank last night south-west of Finland.
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The Estonia capsized and sank
in just a few minutes.
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How could this have happened?
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The same day the Estonia sank,
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rumours surfaced that it was being
used to smuggle military equipment.
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THE FERRY TRAGEDY: WHY IT SANK
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THE RUSSIANS BLEW UP THE ESTONIA
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The authorities dismissed this
as mere conspiracy theories.
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The cargo had no connection
with the accident.
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I knew straight away that if we could
push the issue of the Estonia being used
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to smuggle top secret, possibly Soviet
or Russian, military equipment,
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that would have been a big deal.
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On the 10th anniversary of the accident,
I received an email
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from a man named Lennart Henriksson,
Chief of Customs at Värtahamnen port,
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the arrival port of the Estonia
and other ferries.
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He said he had something to tell me.
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A few weeks before the accident,
he was called into his manager's office,
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and they went to see his manager's boss,
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the Regional Chief of Customs
in Stockholm.
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He told them
that vehicles would be arriving soon
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which were to be granted access
without being checked.
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"Without checking?", I asked.
"Who said that?"
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"That's an order", I was told.
"From the very top."
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"What top?", I asked.
"As high up as you can get", he said.
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I asked: "From the King?" He said:
"No, not the King, but very high up."
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The first vehicle arrived
on the 14th of September,
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two weeks before the accident.
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We were notified that
one of the vehicles was on its way,
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and we were to
let it in without checking it.
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He went down to the ferry terminal,
the ferry arrived.
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He saw the vehicle
that was not to be checked,
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and he still took a peek inside.
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I informed him of the Customs control.
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He looked at me,
but didn't ask questions.
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I told him I'd look inside the vehicle.
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I saw some boxes
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and what appeared to be
military electronics inside the boxes.
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On September 20th, Henriksson said
it happened a second time.
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He was notified of
another vehicle he was to let through.
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He said it was a larger vehicle,
about twice as much cargo
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as the first time, but as far as he
could tell, it was the same type of cargo.
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He was on holiday on the day
of the accident. He wasn't in Stockholm,
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so he doesn't know if there was
any cargo on board that night.
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There rumours of military transport
on the Estonia had not been confirmed.
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Yet I was sitting with a man who could
confirm that this was happening
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just a short time before the accident.
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In the weeks before the Estonia
sank ten years ago,
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the ferry was used for
secret transport of military equipment.
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It's now been confirmed
that military equipment
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was transported on the Estonia.
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We are involved in state missions
which are somewhat secret.
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It's only natural that we
carry out these kinds of missions.
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This is part of one of those missions,
so I can't comment on it.
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We want to know what happened.
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We are just as surprised
as everyone else by this news.
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It's remarkable and shocking.
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Normally, military transport is governed
by rigorous rules in public society.
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Here, the military clearly
used a civilian passenger ferry
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to transport military cargo.
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It's absolutely unacceptable to smuggle
military cargo on a civilian ferry.
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You're blatantly putting
civilians in jeopardy.
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The public were outraged.
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The government started investigating
whether this had happened.
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In the past, whenever these kinds
of allegations surfaced,
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they were always rejected.
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Therefore, the government has decided
to call on Johan Hirschfeldt
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and task him with investigating
the entire month of September 1994,
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to find out if such transports
took place on board the Estonia.
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Cabinet minister Mona Sahlin, who dealt
with the Estonia case, was very upset.
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When I interviewed her,
she was clearly shaken by the fact
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that there had been secret transports
of military equipment
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on board the Estonia
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around the time of the accident,
without the military reporting it.
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People from customs and the military
were obviously aware of details
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that were essential for
the investigation and the bereaved,
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but they didn't say anything.
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THE CURSE OF THE ESTONIA
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THE REPORT RAISES QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE ESTONIA DISASTER
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The interview with Swedish television
by Lennart Henriksson
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was a game changer, I would say.
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The rumours that had been
ridiculed for ten years,
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suddenly had credibility.
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Suddenly, this wasn't a fantasy.
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In 2005, the Estonian government
established the commission
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to investigate the military
smuggling affair on the Estonia.
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I was appointed as chair
of this commission.
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At the beginning,
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Swedish authorities promised
to cooperate with our commission.
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But when we went into detail
of this secret operation,
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they started sending us mixed messages.
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In the end, I concluded
that the information wasn't reliable.
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To be honest, we found almost nothing.
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We didn't find what it was,
where it came from, et cetera.
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This was very much because
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the Swedish authorities
were not willing to cooperate.
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It's been concluded that the
Swedish army on two occasions
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in September 1994
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transported military equipment
on board the Estonia,
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on the 14th and the 20th of September.
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The cargo consisted
of electronic equipment,
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not related to weapon systems,
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and in no form of an explosive nature.
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The contents are confidential,
as is the country of origin.
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Only the Minister of Defence
received that information.
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The information is top secret
and considered confidential.
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As for the night the Estonia sank,
the report concluded
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there was no indication that
the military transported anything.
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I am very sure about that.
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As you can tell
from my wording in the document.
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"There's no reason to believe
they attempted to transport equipment."
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Hirschfeldt concluded that
the transports Henriksson spoke of,
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from the 14th and the 20th of September,
had in fact occurred.
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The Swedish Armed Forces
was responsible for them.
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But he also concluded
that there was no indication
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of transport by the Swedish army
on the night of the accident.
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I was incredibly disappointed
that this didn't result in anything.
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Everything was swept under the rug,
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despite Mona Sahlin's intentions
to get to the bottom of this.
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Hirschfeldt was known
for his good memory,
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and his investigation
was very short and restricted.
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When we later conducted a hearing
in the Swedish Parliament,
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we asked about the chain of command.
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How and by whom was
the customs officer ordered
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to let in smuggled military cargo.
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Hirschfeldt replied
that he didn't remember,
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and when asked about the evidence,
which wasn't mentioned in the report,
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he said he had burned the evidence.
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- The evidence has not been stored.
- Why not?
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I chose not to submit the evidence,
only the report.
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What's the reason for that?
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I concluded that this was the correct
way to conduct the investigation.
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As far as I know, it has never
happened before in Swedish history
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that a government investigation
destroys the evidence.
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You wouldn't come to that
conclusion on your own.
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Someone must have explicitly said
that the evidence was to be destroyed.
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It clearly indicates that the Armed Forces
had no interest in solving the case.
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No investigation of potential
involvement of private companies,
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nor of other countries'
intelligence services. Nothing.
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The report was accurate,
but of no interest.
244
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It confirms what the customs officer said,
but without any regard for anything else.
245
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It was like the Wild West
in the new Baltic states,
246
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with regards to military equipment,
weaponry and such,
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that was bought, sold
and transported out the country.
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One man who witnessed all this,
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was the Swedish Military Attaché
to the Baltics at the time, Sřren Lindman.
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I can't rule out that goods from Russia
were smuggled to Estonia, it wasn't hard,
251
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and then shipped to Sweden,
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possibly without
the Swedish government's knowledge.
253
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He wasn't aware of
the two transports on the Estonia
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just before the accident.
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His conclusion was that it wasn't
the regular Swedish intelligence
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that organised these transports.
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It must have been organized by the most
secretive Swedish military intelligence.
258
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If it was the regular
Swedish intelligence,
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he would have known about it,
but he didn't.
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It must have been the so-called KSI,
the Office for Special Procurement,
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Sweden's secret spy organisation.
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This would explain the level of secrecy
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surrounding the transports
on board the Estonia,
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if the KSI was involved.
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Nothing could come out that might
reveal details about KSI activities.
266
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Did you cooperate with them?
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I know that they existed.
268
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Cooperation or not...
I'll leave that open.
269
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- Did you help them procure equipment?
- I will not answer that question.
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- We're talking about 1994.
- Yes, I hear you.
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- September 94.
- Yes.
272
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- Did you help procure equipment?
- I will not answer that question.
273
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The Estonia disaster is surrounded
by so much secrecy and confidentiality.
274
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In my opinion, that means they are
scared of what the truth would reveal.
275
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What we can be certain of about the
25 years since the night of the shipwreck,
276
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is that the authorities
have no interest in finding out
277
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what was on board the Estonia's
cargo deck when the ferry sank.
278
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,195
The biggest question mark
is regarding the images
279
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taken on October 2nd,
four days after the shipwreck.
280
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The images show that the railings
from the loading ramp...
281
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They are detached from the vessel,
lying on the seabed.
282
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,759
Something is very wrong here.
283
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:06,876
I've been wondering a lot about why
the railings are outside of the vessel.
284
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,880
It implies that someone tried to gain
access to the cargo deck, but why?
285
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:21,316
It can only be a national army that wants
to gain access to the vessel's cargo bay.
286
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,195
The only motivation for such actions,
287
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:29,275
is that there is cargo of utter national
or military importance on board.
288
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Nothing else.
289
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:43,235
During the interpellation debates that
I initiated in the Swedish Parliament,
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I hoped to push the matter
of further answers and investigations.
291
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,836
You should be able to trust
your army, your government,
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that they'll do their best
in such a situation.
293
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720
If not, there is something
fundamentally wrong with society.
294
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,675
Thank you. The images show very clearly
295
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:08,995
that someone has removed
the railings from the loading ramp
296
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,035
just days after the shipwreck.
297
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,195
This is proof of activity
that we didn't know about,
298
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:19,916
and that the Accident Commission
did not find.
299
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,319
Why hasn't the minister taken measures
to find out who this was?
300
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,319
What kind of activity was this,
what was the purpose?
301
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,519
Thank you. Over to the minister.
302
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,715
Between the lines, Lars Ľngström
claims that here stands a minister
303
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,356
who is knowingly
trying to hide the truth.
304
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,680
It doesn't matter how many times
I tell Lars Ľngström: "I'm not like that."
305
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:51,359
I know nothing about
any other dives. Period.
306
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,559
Absolutely no other dives.
307
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:58,796
Based on what I have received,
there are no grounds
308
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,836
on which to allow underwater operations
on the wreck of the Estonia,
309
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,799
nor other actions to be taken
regarding the wreck of the Estonia.
310
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,995
The minister's decision to do nothing,
gives many people the impression
311
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:21,596
that the government is actively
trying to hide facts
312
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,796
about the Armed Forces' activities
in relation to the Estonia.
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00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,559
That doesn't feel right.
314
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,720
Not giving an answer
can also be an answer.
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00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,319
Not wanting to find an answer,
is also saying something.
316
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,076
There is every indication that
the Swedish Armed Forces, or parts of it,
317
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,796
knew of the intrusion in the cargo bay
318
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,359
between September 28th and October 2nd.
319
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,396
We can only speculate why,
320
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,515
but we can assume it's something
of great national or military interest.
321
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:02,035
I am convinced that the truth
about what was in Estonia's cargo deck
322
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,440
on the night it sank
will be revealed one day.
323
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:24,396
Over the years, I've developed good
contacts in the intelligence services,
324
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,319
for one simple reason:
They know they can trust me.
325
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:35,116
Tomlinson told me about
the Estonia smuggling operation in 1998,
326
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,079
six years before the Swedish
customs officer revealed it on TV.
327
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,515
So here I was,
in a hotel room in Auckland,
328
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,475
thinking I was doing one sort of story,
329
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:53,596
and suddenly being handed information
about a ferry that sank in the Baltic,
330
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,116
and about some smuggling operation
involving British intelligence.
331
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,356
Needless to say,
I decided at absolutely that point
332
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240
that I would try
to get to the bottom of this.
333
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,275
My further investigation
led me to a new source,
334
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:14,475
an active MI6 officer,
335
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,720
who provided vital information
about what really happened.
336
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:25,079
He told me there had been two
clear warnings from Russia to the West,
337
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,796
to stop the smuggling operation
on the Estonia.
338
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,396
The first warning, in 1993, went through
diplomatic channels to the Estonians.
339
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,955
It said: "We know you are smuggling,
putting things on the ferry."
340
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:42,636
"You need to stop." Apparently,
the Estonians ignored the warning.
341
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,515
The next year,
in close proximity to the sinking,
342
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,235
a second warning went directly to MI6.
343
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:55,916
"We know you are running
a smuggling operation via the Estonia."
344
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,759
"You need to stop, or else..."
345
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:19,796
While Sweden and Estonia
were grieving for the dead
346
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,955
who went down
with the ferry in the Baltic,
347
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,720
behind closed doors in
the intelligence offices, there was panic.
348
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,076
The Swedes have admitted there was
a smuggling operation on the Estonia
349
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,596
in the weeks before the sinking.
350
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,836
My sources have confirmed
that there was a smuggling operation
351
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,675
on the night the ferry sank.
352
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,116
What was being smuggled out,
353
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,916
was crucial information on the Russian
ballistic missile programme
354
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,119
and some electronic parts
related to the missile programme.
355
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:05,235
According to my MI6 source,
the senior Swedish intelligence officer
356
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,636
would have told the Prime Minister:
357
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,035
"You have this idea about
bringing the ferry up to investigate."
358
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,319
"That must never be allowed to happen."
359
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:48,319
During that time, things were a mess.
There was practically no border control.
360
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,759
You could send any car,
with anything, anywhere.
361
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,556
The police investigation reports
I had access to,
362
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:07,440
confirm that the public version
of what happened with the Estonia
363
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,480
is by no means true.
364
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,356
After I went on board,
365
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:24,435
I put all my things away,
my bag and all that.
366
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,836
Then I walked around a bit,
and I realized we were behind schedule.
367
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,559
I checked the time,
and saw that the ferry was delayed.
368
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,480
So I went out onto the deck,
to wave to my father.
369
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,235
I looked out over the parking lot.
370
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:49,480
They had put up barrier tape.
I thought it was a construction site.
371
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,475
In one explanation of why
the Estonia was delayed,
372
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:01,596
two or three trucks
were sent to the port,
373
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,799
apparently by the Armed Forces, or
people connected to the Armed Forces.
374
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,195
They were arguing.
The police wouldn't let them on board.
375
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:19,675
The others, allegedly from the military,
who arrived with the cargo,
376
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,759
said they were to be let on board.
377
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,039
I saw a transport arriving,
378
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:33,156
two or three motorcycles,
or four, going quite fast,
379
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,675
escorting a military vehicle
onto the boat.
380
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:42,636
I recall there being at least two,
possibly more.
381
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,916
It was...
382
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,356
They were painted green,
as it was military.
383
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,076
It was a vehicle with a large canopy,
384
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,480
or flatbed with a tarpaulin over.
385
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,639
Can you briefly explain
what was inside those trucks?
386
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,676
On the two or three trucks,
there are differing stories here,
387
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,559
there was military technology.
Military electronics.
388
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,356
It was, at the time,
389
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,440
brand new military technology.
390
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,635
In the Russian military,
there were many top secret things.
391
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:40,639
So secret, in fact,
that if anything was lost,
392
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,356
or if anything was
left in foreign territory,
393
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:53,360
measures were taken to ensure it didn't
end up in the hands of another country.
394
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:01,400
Once they were on board,
the ship was prepared for departure.
395
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:10,760
I thought: "Oh, that's why we're delayed".
They were waiting for those vehicles.
396
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,635
It's strange that the military would use
a passenger ferry to transport vehicles.
397
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,035
But what's really strange,
398
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,356
is the information
that surfaced several years later,
399
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,276
that there were military transports
on board the Estonia,
400
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,719
just not that night.
But there were, because I saw them.
401
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,236
A lot of other people
must have seen them, too.
402
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,555
I know there were others
on the deck that afternoon.
403
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,756
I know there were
crew members in the terminal
404
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,920
and on the boat
who must have known about this.
405
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:16,679
I never thought a Swedish journalist
would find me,
406
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,000
but they did.
407
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,276
My name is Kadir Kaymaz,
408
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,920
but at the time of the accident,
it was Carl Övberg.
409
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,800
In 1994, Estonia was...
410
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,400
Chaotic, you might say.
411
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,916
You could buy
all the old Russian military gear.
412
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,079
You could even buy helicopters.
413
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,880
I sold vehicles to Estonia.
414
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,316
I went there by boat many times,
maybe twenty times,
415
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,840
but that night was different.
416
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:34,360
I took a taxi
from central Tallinn to the port.
417
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,199
I was in a hurry.
418
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:45,360
But when we got to the port,
there was a military roadblock there.
419
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,400
The military police stopped the taxi.
420
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:58,760
As soon as the taxi dropped me off,
outside the port, I ran to the boat.
421
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,440
I was the last passenger.
422
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,719
As I looked down
to the front of the boat,
423
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:13,555
I saw some military vehicles,
military activity.
424
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:19,756
Maybe 10 or 15 military personnel
and military vehicles
425
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,595
with canopies and red lights.
426
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,880
I thought that
something must be going on.
427
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:45,196
I have no proof, but I believe
they were smuggling weapons
428
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,239
or some technical military equipment.
429
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,800
From the former Soviet Union.
430
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:11,676
When I was back in Stockholm,
I received a phone call.
431
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,519
Some guy told me
not to come back to Estonia.
432
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:23,559
It was a threat, so I stopped
travelling to Estonia.
433
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,155
Maybe it was because of my observations.
434
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,239
That they didn't like them.
435
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,115
There are still so many unanswered
questions about the Estonia.
436
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:59,756
Why can't the authorities
confirm military transport
437
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:06,079
on board the Estonia that night?
I know there were. I witnessed it.
438
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,196
If the Estonia was
carrying military cargo that night,
439
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,760
it would influence the investigation
in many different ways.
440
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,955
It would explain the covering
of the vessel with concrete,
441
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,796
not going into the cargo bay
to check the cargo,
442
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,679
and never checking
the vessel's hull for damage.
443
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,316
By continuing
to hinder further investigations,
444
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,679
we will never know for certain
why the Estonia sank.
445
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:55,196
Only by diving with cameras
and inspecting the wreck,
446
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,920
will we know for certain what happened.
But the government doesn't want that.
447
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,475
For the handling of the Estonia case
to meet the requirements
448
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:18,796
for how a lawful state
handles such an accident,
449
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,196
then the authorities
have to take the suggested measures,
450
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,796
to examine the ferry where it lies,
451
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,360
to see what answers they can find there
regarding the cause of the accident.
452
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,075
Sending divers down again
to examine the wreck more closely,
453
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,276
would be a good thing.
454
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Maybe modern technology
would provide some answers.
455
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:55,360
The first thing we need to find the truth,
is new dives. The sooner, the better.
456
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,876
The Finnish coastguard
reported possible breaches
457
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,599
of the sanctity of the grave
at the site of the Estonia wreck.
458
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,159
The use of a diving robot is suspected.
459
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,955
The truth about what happened to Estonia
460
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,360
is hidden beneath
the waters of the Baltic.
461
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,199
It will take a diving expedition
to find out what happened.
462
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,360
ROV has visual contact with the wreck.
463
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,916
What the hell?
464
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,079
Oh, shit! Oh, shit...
465
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