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- Looking up in the sky,

and it was three white lines, vertical.

There was one that always stayed away from it.

- I don't know what I saw.

- Blip in the sky, streak of light.

- Dark, hovering object above a bridge

that we were coming back from, and it almost looked like a-

- This weird, kind of amorphous, opalescent kind of thing.

- An unidentified object, it was coming in very fast.

- It was staying perfectly still and stationary in the sky

for about four to five minutes, until it started to move.

- And it was so distraughtful, and it was really wicked.

To this day, I don't know what it is.

- Made a hard right turn, went up like 90 degrees.

They figured that it was traveling

at something like 800 miles an hour.

- And then they changed formation.

At first, it was vertical, then it went lateral,

and then they changed to like a rectangle shape.

But that one always stayed away from the others.

- I started out at a very young age,

witnessing anomalous events, such as UFOs.

And that's what got me interested in a field of ufology.

I became a researcher and a speaker.

Throughout the years, I have come a cross hundreds

of people from all walks of life, from all around the world,

who also have had similar experiences, witnessing UFOs.

And so this phenomenon is not new.

It's very old, and very widespread.

Yet, this entire subject has been lacking credibility

and acceptance from society,

but also from the establishment.

And it wasn't until 2017 when "The New York Times" came out

with an article featuring three leaked videos

from the US Navy that totally defied explanation,

that the conversation began to shift.

Got it, woo hoo!

Roger there's something shooting-

- We're going against the wind.

The wind's 120 miles to the west.

Well, if there's- - Look at this thing.

- It's rotating.

There's a whole fleet of them, look on

My gosh!

- On USS Princeton, I was responsible

for classified material, top secret data recording.

In November in 2004, we were doing workups

in preparation for our next deployment.

- I was on the USS Princeton,

I was the leading operation specialist,

and basically we'd control the radars,

we'd man the radars,

we'd fight the ship if we ever go to combat.

My primary job was to identify everything

that flew in the sky.

On November 10th, I started to notice

some really strange contacts off the coast of Catalina.

- During those workups,

we tracked unknown aircraft for several days.

- This is the contacts, we're at 28,000 feet going South

about 100 knots, and I'm thinking to myself,

"I never seen anything fly like that."

And I had 15 and a half years actual sea time,

sitting behind that radar.

At one point it was raining UFOs.

But I'd never seen anything fly like this,

and all the other ships are tracking it too.

Fast Eagle flight happened to be airborne,

Commander Fravor, the first one to launch off

the Nimitz aircraft carrier.

These objects fell out.

These things went straight back up to 28,000 feet again

in less than a second, and then at the very end,

it was right in front of him.

Disappeared.

- They exhibited flight capabilities that were well beyond

anything that I'd ever seen before.

So I'm pretty familiar with just

about the fastest things in the sky, and these things

kinda made them look like they're toys.

- Because these videos were taken by military servicemen,

the Navy and the Pentagon eventually confirmed

the veracity of these sightings.

Senator Reid, Senator Rubio, and others prompted Congress

to investigate these events,

and publish an official report on these findings.

Even though multiple credible cases were investigated,

the UAP report, "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena"

turned out to inconclusive, which unfortunately,

did not surprise many of us in the UFO community.

- When you don't know what it is,

of course nothing can be conclusively ruled out.

- Can they come up with any explanation?

- Really just a fraction of evidence

the government has on UFOs.

- What does the US government know about UFOs?

- Had that bombshell not come out in "The New York Times",

and "Politico," and CNN, we wouldn't be where we are today.

The Pentagon has not been forthcoming at all.

They have been a huge pain in the ass

regarding this topic, massively.

And what's really needed with this topic,

real evidence, real data.

However long it takes, that's the stuff

that becomes fool proof.

- The next morning I get up, I say, "What the heck?

I'm gonna write a very detailed message

about what happened."

I went back up to combat information center, CIC,

and one of the lead technicians, he looks at me and says,

"Senior Chief, the data isn't on the ship anymore."

I said, "What are you talking about?"

He said, "Somebody came on board our ship,

and they took our data.

In fact, they made us erase everything down

in the computer room."

Even blank tapes had gotten erased.

- We had our data recording for all

of our equipment taken off the ship.

And on top of that we were ordered

to erase everything that was left in the shop.

- And for them to take it, it was highly unusual.

I raised my hand, I said,

"I think we got a safety issue here."

And I would try to describe what happened,

and I got laughed at.

I got ridiculed, there was jokes posted,

there was cartoons posted about me,

and I got so frustrated

it ended my career.

- Some of my shipmates lost careers, lost wives,

lost the ability to be able to see their children.

These are all the consequences of these events

that happened that we were told to not talk about.

- And it was really scary, it was really lonely.

And at one point I ended up,

I didn't know what I was gonna do.

I'd gone through all this pain and suffering, if you will.

- It is unimaginable to think that a UFO encounter

could affect these guys to such a point

that they would lose their careers.

They would lose their personal and social life.

Now I feel even more determined

to help find some answers about their experience.

I feel after all these years,

if the government is not officially at a point

where they can offer real answers

to these very widespread sightings,

well, maybe it is up to us to look into the subject.

But from a new scientific perspective,

because that has never been done.

I decided to take on this challenge.

I'm going to find a way to team up with scientists

and experts on this, and see if we can capture

these objects ourselves, and offer some answers.

But first I want to invite someone

that I really, really love, William Shatner.

I met him on multiple projects,

because he is the icon of the sci-fi world.

And he also has been involved in the world of ufology,

and world mysteries for a long time,

I think his insight is going to be fantastic

to help us bridge the gap from sci-fi to real science.

And that'll give us an additional perspective

on what this UFO/UAP phenomenon is really about.

- What has made mankind is an insatiable curiosity.

Insatiable. What is that?

Nobody knows.

A phenomena.

- This time we're talking about UFOs.

The fact that the government is coming up

with all these videos and saying it's real.

- Oh, they're saying it's real?

- Yes. - That it's really

an unidentified flying object.

- Have you seen the UAP report?

- It's inconclusive.

- Exactly. Exactly.

So we're very frustrated-

- But what do you want to see?

- Data. Data.

I think that there were a lot of very credible cases.

Air force pilots, Navy, military,

there are so many of those credible cases

that you would think by now,

we have some sort of investigation and data reporting-

- No, no, they had investigations.

You would think by now that they would say,

"Here's a piece of something," or, "Here is"-

- Yes.

- Right.

So I had an idea.

- Which is?

And I'm sure it was a good one.

- I thought we need to go all the way,

and do something at a much bigger scale.

We need to do a scientific investigation.

- I think that's marvelous.

- Those Navy pilots who were off of the coast of Catalina.

And this is where they saw these TICTAC videos.

And other Navy ships as well, all in the same area.

That's kind of what I'm thinking.

We put a team of scientists, experts,

military folks as well, since they have the experience,

and attempt to capture something in real time.

- Yes, if you could hone in electronically and visually.

On some unidentified flying object,

you'd certainly have made news, that's for sure.

- The TICTAC videos, for example,

there is no other angles of the same object.

We don't have have any sort of radiation detection.

We don't have any sort of-

- We don't have a triangulation.

- We don't have any triangulation.

- Although-

- Yes.

- The radar picked it up as well as the cameras

on the ships if I'm not mistaken.

- Yes. - All you need is a phenomena.

- It sounds like you think it's a good idea?

- Oh, it's a wonderful idea.

- Great,

- Well, I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward

to hearing, and hopefully seeing what you've uncovered.

- Awesome, thank you.

- That's what we need, the smoking gun that'll clench it.

That once and for all will settle the debate.

No ifs, ands or buts.

And in the process, rewrite all of human history.

I was ecstatic to find out

that the Navy personnel from the USS Nimitz encounter

had created the UAPx team, with renowned scientists

and experts, to research the UFO phenomenon

in more depth, and with rigorous scientific methodologies.

So, the UAPx team was the perfect fit

for this first expedition.

- Oh, they're here, Gary. - Hey Gary.

Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you

in person, Caro. - Yeah.

Kevin, nice to meet you.

This is awesome. - Nice to meet you.

- This is Jeremy.

- Good to meet you

in the flesh. - Good to meet you.

- Hi Jeremy. - Kevin?

- Mr. OSIRIS. - Good to meet you.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

- These are the guys who were on the USS Princeton,

everybody's been talking about.

So why should we work with any anybody else,

but the real folks who lived it?

- The guys who started it.

- Yeah.

And so this moment is very exciting for me

because if you want to bring credibility

to this phenomenon, you have to go all the way.

I mean, it has to be big, it has to be scientific.

- That's the very reason why we started our company

is 'cause we didn't have those answers.

- We agree. - And it

was great that they came out, and let everybody know

this was a real thing, but there needs to be more done.

- Well, the video's one thing,

but we've gotta get more data.

- Personally thinking, we need to go back

to where you guys were, Southern California.

What do you suggest?

What do you think we should do?

- Well. - Well,

we got a couple of locations that we kinda thought

that we're gonna do good coverage

of the South part of the island.

- I'd be okay if we could get a house

on the beach right here, somewhere, that would be ideal.

And then maybe a place with a flat roof on Catalina.

- Then our third location could be the truck.

- So if we do have two stationary positions,

and then we have Jeremy in one spot,

we could potentially achieve some sort of triangulation.

- Yes.

- Which is very, very important.

- Yes. - Yup.

- In collecting data.

So at the end of the day, who do we have on the team?

- So, we've got myself, Gary Voorhis,

we've got Kevin Day, we've got Jason Turner.

And we were all on the Princeton together.

We also have Dave Altman, and Michael Hall,

both experienced UFO researchers.

Then we have our scientist, Kevin Knuth,

who is an associate professor in physics,

and an expert in exoplanet research.

We also have Matthews Szydagis,

an associate professor in physics.

His expertise is in dark matter and radiation detection.

Then we have David Mason,

he's invented several of the devices

that can detect communication patterns coming from UAP.

- So we have optical, we have acoustic.

What else we got?

We got thermal,

we've got, everything we can throw at it.

- With all this equipment and all of us over five days,

24/7, if we don't see something,

I'm gonna be very disappointed.

- It would be pretty disappointing if we don't see anything,

but that is science though.

- Has this ever been done before?

- Never. - And not that I know of.

- I've never even seen it from the government.

- We're making history.

While the main team is getting set up

at the Laguna location,

Gary, Kevin, and I decided to charter a plane

to scout a location on Catalina Island,

so we can have the best spot for our potential sightings.

So after all of the events happened,

and Kevin Day said, "Hey, let's go out there,

and let's go find out what they are."

- I wanna make sure it is the best vantage point

of facing the channel.

- Yeah, facing the channel.

- Yeah, exactly.

- My goal for the expeditions is to prove they're real,

prove they're findable, and prove these things are knowable.

We can know what they are.

That's my goal.

I think we're gonna have like a couple

of really, really good spots.

- Let's see if we can figure it out,

let's see if we can find them.

Let's go get the missing data ourselves.

- I wanna be the guy that makes the identification.

That was my job in the Navy.

- The best vantage point we found on Catalina Island

is on the rooftop of a building facing the channel.

We're going to have Dave, Michael, and a friend of ours,

Chrissy Newton set up at that location.

They will be in constant communication

with us on the mainland and will be able to alert us

as soon as they have a sighting.

- You set up on a rooftop of a building.

You got a great line of sight,

we've got all of the equipment put out there already.

We're gonna have your thermal, your regular binoculars.

Anything you see, you can be able to document

and correlate with the data that we have on the other side.

- I got a feeling we're gonna see something.

I mean, there's been reports of sightings

out there since early 40's.

- Well, you guys know what to do.

Get over there, get everything set up.

- Sounds great.

- We'll take shifts.

- Yep. - Yep.

- Yep. - Awesome.

- Let's get 'em done.

- Michael and Dave are off to Catalina.

We are very excited, but a bit nervous

because the logistics for the setup on Catalina,

and the communication are quite difficult.

There are no trucks or vehicles on the island

to help us move the equipment.

And even though we do have a communication protocol

in place, we're gonna have to rely

on a very spotty cell-phone service.

But with team effort, we're keeping a positive outlook,

and hoping for the best.

- Looks like we made it, Mike.

- Ho, ho, ho.

- Let's get these big guys set up,

and then we'll take a quick inventory of what we've got.

- Give us a little bit of a practice session

on these things moving out there,

and we'll see if we can keep up with any UAP

that's going thousands of miles an hour.

We might have to- - Gonna get whiplash.

- It's gonna be hard to catch 'em but we'll see.

- When I hear that you've assembled a team

of top scientists using state of the art equipment

to settle some of these questions,

I say to myself, "What took you so long?"

I mean, the data is out there.

So we have to jump into it.

Wherever it goes, wherever the data leads us,

that's where we have to go.

So I say it's about time.

- Here we are, the first day is for equipment set up.

We already had power outages and software malfunction.

We only have five days to succeed at our mission.

So the stakes are high.

We have come prepared, but the odds

of capturing real anomalous objects

within these five days are 50/50.

We just don't know what to expect.

- I have a friend of mine, Chrissy Newton,

another set of eyes.

There'll be three sets of eyes instead of two.

- All right, I got something.

I got something, Michael.

- Did you? - Yep, over here.

Hey, come here, hurry up. - Huh?

- It's up there.

Oh, it's moving.

It's frigging moving.

Hurry up.

- Moving.

- You see a white ball above the mountain?

Yep, I do.

- You see it Mike?

- Oh yeah.

- Oh, I see it moving now. - Is it moving?

- Yeah, it's moving, oh.

We saw a few things.

The first thing that we saw when I walked in

was a UFO that was, well, we think it was a UFO,

we're not 100% sure.

We did see some craft of some sort

that was moving across the sky.

- Tonight was good.

I mean, I guess having an extra set of eyes did help.

We saw a couple of strange lights in the skies, as they say,

when we first got here,

and we saw a few more about an hour later.

It's kinda getting cloudy,

so we figure we'll pack it in for tonight

and make it back out tomorrow night.

- When a team member spots an anomalous object,

the protocol is to immediately contact the rest of the team

to see if they are able to capture

the same object from different angles.

And they also have to record what they capture,

and send the recording to our scientists.

Well, the cell communication failed on that day.

But the recordings were sent to the scientists for analysis.

This is our first capture.

We can't get too excited yet, but being the first day,

I guess this is a good sign.

- Good morning gentlemen.

- Good morning.

- So we got everything out,

We got half our equipment up,

did you get the radiation detector running?

- Yes I did, I got it running.

- How is the UFODAP?

- UFODAP got a new software pushed out to me,

I'll get it installed and running today.

- Roger that, how's the cosmic watch?

- It's all patched up and ready to go.

- All right, roger that.

Everything going good.

Jason, anything to report?

- No, I think we're all good, looks good to go.

- All right.

Well, let's work hard,

let's get everything up and running by noon.

We need to get as much possible time,

data recording while we're here.

This is our opportunity, let's get it done.

- Excellent, let's do it. - All right.

- Half of our equipment is experimental,

the other half is well, some of it's old,

and some of it's not and some of it's cutting edge.

So it's just a matter of,

hopefully it'll all work.

Where should we put this?

- Well guys, I think that the primary place

is gonna be right here in the corner

about where I'm standing.

- All right, we've got...

- We've got a pretty perfect view of Catalina from here.

We've got unrestricted airspace over top of us.

So you guys, this is actually the little brother

of what I've got in the OSIRIS.

We've got the magnetometers, we've got the GPS,

we've got wireless connectivity,

we've got all the barometric pressure, weather indicators,

ADSB, we can track known aircraft with this.

And the best part about this is, I can see this,

I can control this from the OSIRIS.

So if this thing's putting out any signals,

we're gonna get it?

- One of my friends, Travis Taylor,

who is an astrophysicist,

has been involved in studying anomalous events and UAPs

from a scientific perspective for a long time.

So I thought I would invite him to check out our setup,

and get his take on some of the new technology

and equipment we brought along.

- I'm really optimistic.

This is great for the first day.

- And we're gonna have to go through

this frame by frame. - Hey guys.

- Hey. - Look who's here.

- Hey, hey, Travis. - Hey Travis.

It's been a long time.

Two years, I think since the conference.

- You guys know each other?

- Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

- Oh okay.

This is David Mason.

He's the brains behind all the inventions,

but we have two major brains here as well.

Wait till you see what's upstairs,

it's crazy stuff. - Wow.

- Would you like to give him a tour?

- Absolutely. - Awesome.

- Well, I'd love to see it. - All right, perfect.

- I'm really excited to see the instrumentation,

the planning that these guys have put into this experiment.

It's gonna change the culture in the world.

Scientists are gonna have to start taking

this more seriously if we're gonna get

to the bottom of the phenomenon.

So I hear some chirps and clicks.

- The chirps are gamma radiation,

which are higher energy particles

and then the clicking is the beta radiation.

- Yeah. - Which are softer energy.

- What part of the spectrum are you able to look at?

- From about 10 megahertz up to about two gigahertz.

- So you can see all the radio stations and TV stations,

and ham bands, and everything that everybody would use.

So if something's there that shouldn't be there,

then you'll see it?

- Absolutely.

- So what else you got here?

- We've got eight FLIR thermal cameras running.

Oh wow.

And so you can see pretty much the whole sky,

in FLIR if you want to at night.

Absolutely.

- Normally, UAP researchers have one FLIR

looking like that way or that way.

Now you can look all over, right?

- Many of the unknown objects I have recorded

often register temperatures minus 20 Fahrenheit.

I've even had some down to minus 80 Fahrenheit,

which is just extraordinarily cold.

Exhibit no exhaust, and no explanation for it.

So what's this thing?

This is a light wave transmitter.

- So, it's connected to a laser or something over here?

- It's connected to a light wave transmitter assembly.

There seems to be an oddity about them

because the people report that they pulsate.

And my theory is that there must be

some sort of information or data.

- So what if a UAP is off in the distance,

and it's modulating its brightness,

changing its brightness.

With information pattern, they're communicating with us,

right? - That's the theory I have.

- And when you convert that to sound,

our brains and our ears and various computer algorithms

could find a pattern in that.

- That's correct.

We can also take that sound that we receive,

and put it right back on the transmitter-

- And send it right back to it.

- Right back to 'em.

So if they're sending out data we don't understand,

we can say, "Here you go."

- Well see, and that's the first protocol

in any communication is you say, hello world.

If you hear hello world,

you say hello world right back to them.

So, what's really cool about this is

you've got a capability here to maybe detect communications,

and rebroadcast those communications

in both electromagnetic, or radio station, microwave,

all that, optical, ultraviolet, visible and infrared light,

as well as temperature.

That gives you a broad range

of where potential communications might be.

We have no idea how the UAPs might be communicating.

- That's right.

- I'm really impressed.

This is exciting, and I can't wait to see it working,

and hopefully we see a UAP and talk to it.

- I'd like to do that.

- I would too.

- We wanna use really high tech gear

to collect some techno signatures.

We're hoping to be able to use that technology,

if we do find them to actually handshake these things,

or maybe even talk to 'em.

- I gotta tell you guys, after having a tour of

what you've got here, I'm really impressed.

You're covering the phenomenologies

across the spectrum of physics.

I've never seen anything as singularly focused

as this effort for one particular type of phenomena.

- So here's another one of these,

can't take credit for this, but this is a designed

by my friends and colleagues at MIT.

This is just a general radiation detector

to look for anything that's anomalous

above a normal background reading in a given location.

- I got another one. - Nice.

- Look Mike, Mike it's...

Oh my God!

- Okay.

- Look towards, it's right there.

I'm not taking off of it this time.

You see it? - Oh man, that's big.

Yeah, that's not a plane.

And it just showed up out of nowhere.

Okay, let's see if we can get this on tape.

Yep.

- I got it. - Yep, you got it?

I wanna see it until it's gone, I wanna see how it travels.

- See how it leaves. - Yep, that's what I want.

It's not a star, it wasn't there before.

And that would be a really bright star.

There's no way that's a star, that was not there.

It's pretty low in the horizon too.

Yeah.

- Hey Michael, go ahead.

- Hey, we just saw something quite anomalous,

and Dave and I both got it on tape

from our night vision photography.

Different angles, same object.

- All right, I need to know bearing, elevation,

which way is it going?

- 300 degrees Northwest is where it finally appeared

in front of us, to about 29 degrees Northeast,

and disappeared in the clouds towards the mainland

where you guys are.

- All right, Michael, I'm looking on ADSB

and M-Lab right now, we've got no aircraft in the vicinity

of the island right now.

We've got a couple coming up the coast,

and we've got one heading South towards the island,

but there is nothing that has either tracked,

or is tracking in the directionality

that you were talking about.

- All right, Jason look 30 degrees towards the island.

So gimme a description of it, like what did it look like?

- It was just a solid white spherical object.

- Put your hands in front of those two cameras for me.

All right, all right, mark it on those two cameras

for two to three minutes ago, so we can check the recording.

We got a object on two different cameras.

- Be right there.

All right, so this is happening.

We just had a triple gamma repeating frequency just now.

- Really?

- Yep.

Where's it Matt?

- I'm gonna go look with the night vision

because we need to be watching for these things.

- Yeah, we need to be in the sky.

- And keep your eyes peeled,

we're getting a lot of triple spikes on-

- On gamma. - On gamma.

I'm seeing a blinking white light.

- Hey, Jeremy?

Jeremy, I think it's time to get a third vantage point.

We're gonna take off.

- All right, guys.

Right out by Avalon, just left of Avalon,

there was a bright flash, a couple flashes.

We got certain 737 MAX

coming in towards us.

- No, I saw the plane up, it's about 45 degrees altitude,

but this was level with Avalon.

- Oh, it's on the horizon? - On the horizon.

Really bright flash. - Yeah, we got one coming.

- I'm coming. - Straight across their path.

- Yeah, you're seeing this on the horizon.

- It would be on our horizon.

- Would you say add Avalon? - Right here.

- Yeah, it was just to the left of Avalon.

And it was like three really bright flashes several times.

- All right, Jim.

- Yeah. - Let's roll.

- Hey Matthew.

- Hey, what's going on up here?

I've been getting spikes of-

- This is an increase in radiation.

- And it's been increasingly gaining,

Sometimes the amplitudes were plateauing out

where it couldn't go anymore.

- Like literally in the last five, 10 minutes,

we're getting like three bursts?

- But to get anything from miles away,

that means it must be an incredibly high flux source.

Just like a light bulb,

everything spreads out in three dimensions.

In order to get a reading of anything from an object

that's really far away, that means it has

to be an incredibly intense source.

- Wow. - Of whatever it's producing.

But this is more interesting if we can correlate this

as a spike being at the same time

as the visual observations.

- I'm so excited.

- I'm very excited, but we need to make sure

it's not airplane, or satellite, although,

that's what's so great

about our set up that makes it unique.

Because as far as I know, there's no such thing

as a radioactive bird or plane.

So that kind of starts to help rule out

mundane explanations like that.

- Yeah, dude, there's nobody at, you see where it's going?

- All right.

- There's ain't nobody

coming out here. - We'll be done with it.

Power on. Rewind.

All right, she's running.

- All right, we're operational right now, so.

- All right, they got the UFODAP operational

over where they're at.

They're basically somewhere about five miles away.

- Can you see the laser?

- Around the 10 miles figure?

- Yeah, I mean, look, these other traffic heading that way.

It's all coming this way.

- Yeah.

We're getting triple bursts here.

Yeah-

- Oh yeah,

we gotta another one. - We've got another triple.

Awesome.

- We got a lot of triples coming through guys,

keep an eye out.

- We saw some anomalous objects that are not satellites,

that are not drones.

The fact that these things were solid in color,

round to ovoid shape, moving in an anomalous pattern,

no sound, that was incredible.

You see it?

- It didn't activate the camera at all, it just...

That was bright as hell!

- Yeah, it was bright, bro.

It went right across the screen, like right here.

- Yep. - Like that and-

- Did you see it on the...

- No, it never showed.

Okay, that's the weird part.

It never showed on the Fisheye.

So the Fisheye never triggered the PTZ.

I only saw it on the PTZ camera.

- Just trying to check in, see what you guys are going on.

- All right, so we got some weirdness happening here.

- Hey, what did you get? - We saw an object,

only on the PTZ camera.

It did not show up on the Fisheye.

And I've never seen where I've got two cameras

within two feet of each other,

one can see the object and the other one cannot.

So it's literally an anomalous thing where one camera

is seeing a cloud and the object,

when the other camera is seeing just the cloud,

but I can't see the object where it should be.

It's just not there.

It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

- It's fading- - It's gone.

It's gone.

- It's freaking gone.

It's just gone.

- It disappeared, man. - Yeah, disappeared.

- Holy Macro!

- Did you get that on video disappearing?

- Yes I did.

- Wow.

- Hey David.

- Yeah.

- I was looking over the cosmic watch records,

and I found a couple of high rate events

and a high energy event.

And that was between 6:07 and 6:13 P.M.

Do you have anything on the FLIR at that time?

- Yeah, we have an anomalous object,

and this thing is like an elongated,

I don't know what to call it 'cause it's not an aircraft,

it's not a bird, it's not a bug, it doesn't fit all

of the prosaic objects that we are aware of.

And you notice that it's moving

where it's contradictory to its trajectory.

So it's like it's moving sideways against the wind,

if it were an aerial object.

- This looks pretty similar to the Nimitz Tic Tac incident.

- It does, it does look like that.

Got it, woo hoo!

We're going against the wind.

The wind's 120 miles to the West.

- And there was a 32 MeV event.

I mean, within the time synchronization of certainty.

- And Matthew, I've got some else here.

It is an object, appears suddenly in the camera, and then-

- Well, what was that?

Oh, there's a-

- The object appears and then moves off screen

rather suddenly, and then now it looks

like it's reappearing.

- Is that the same object coming back?

- Could be, I mean, it looks like it's in the same location.

Did you just see how it zigzagged?

It just moved in and moved out.

This is exciting.

Certainly anomalous, right?

We're not gonna be able to explain that easily.

- Not very easily.

You can't use all the prosaic explanations

of bird bugs or aircraft on this one.

And then check this out, we have a object

that it'll appear in the frame-

- Well, what is that?

You see that?

Yeah.

What is strange is, it's registering cold

in the thermal camera over several pixels,

and it has some motion to it.

It looks like it rotates or tilts,

and appears, and then dissipates out of the frame.

That's even weirder than

the other things you showed me.

- Yes.

- What time was this at?

At 9:29 P.M.

- That matches in time to the night vision videos

that we got from the island team.

Yeah, that's when they called in

with their night vision videos.

They saw an anomalous object and we also saw

an anomalous object in the FLIR.

That would be a remarkable coincidence.

That would be remarkable.

However, it just appear, and then just disappear

without leaving the frame, without showing a path.

This was just in there and then it wasn't in there.

- It's fading- - It's gone.

- It's gone. - It's freaking gone.

- Another interesting fact about this is that

this particular camera was aimed at a 45 degree angle

toward Catalina Island.

- So could conceive it would be

the same object. - Same object.

Yep, because they're triangulating from their perspective,

and then we're triangulating and converging at two points.

- That would mean that we have seen the same object,

not only from different angles,

but also three different wavelengths;

visible light and two different kinds of infrared, right?

So that is unprecedented in the history of UAP research.

- Having correlating day from different instruments,

with different wavelengths, including radiation.

That's just phenomenal.

- In science, it's very important, especially when studying

an unknown phenomenon, to be able to

have multiple different modes or modalities of studying it,

and being able to look at correlations

between different devices

that are studying the same phenomenon.

This reduces the probability of equipment malfunction,

glitches and things like that because the probability

was greatly reduced of something being accidental,

if you can see it across different devices,

especially those different devices

are based on different technologies,

and are looking at the same thing, different ways.

- Today, July 14th, 2021 is an exciting eventful day.

At 5:26 PM, a pink object appears,

makes a U-turn, exits frame.

Very anomalous.

6:07 P.M., a high-energy radiation registers 32.32 MeV.

6:09 P.M. we capture another Tic Tac like object,

traveling sideways.

Could these be the same Navy Tic Tacs that were observed

in 2004 by the USS Nimitz, then by other ships from 2014,

all the way to 2019?

That would be incredible.

Later that evening at 9:29 P.M., the Catalina team captures

an anomalous object, solid in color

on two night vision cameras and one CCD camera,

which correlates with the solid object caught

on our FLIR camera.

Now this object registers cold,

which means it has no propulsion system that we know of.

The object suddenly disappears simultaneously

out of sight from the multiple angles.

Even more intriguing is that at the same time,

the OSIRIS registers one anomalous object on one camera,

but not the other.

These are very intriguing, very compelling events,

and astounding correlations.

I think today was a breakthrough

in our expedition and research.

I am very hopeful.

We're finally on the right track in uncovering

what these Tic Tac objects may be,

or at least getting more evidential data on UAPs and UFOs.

- It takes just one credible irrefutable piece of evidence

to change all of world history.

The entire literature of the human race

would have to be changed if we had just one incident

that is irrefutable.

- Science is also about the skills of data analysis.

It's not just the hardware, it's the software.

And I don't just mean computer software,

I mean our human minds and our intelligence

in applying it to analyzing the data.

- So here's the first one right here,

and the night was pretty clear, so you have to be careful

not to be fooled

by a lot of fuzzy splashes, obviously stars.

You'll also see a lot of fast objects go by,

which I'm pretty sure are meteors, but what is that?

- No, that's-

- What is that slow moving object?

- And it's changing speed,

it just slowed down and curved a little bit.

- It's changing angle and it's not blinking.

It's not blinking like an airplane would,

with airplane lights.

- Part of the scientific analysis

is to carefully rule out objects

that can easily be taken for UFOs.

For example, a human made advanced technology,

or a mirage-like object, or an aura

that can easily mimic a UFO because of reflectivity

or some other atmospheric event.

- There is a phenomena that you haven't mentioned.

- Yes?

- We know that whales sing songs.

And we know that whales can hear them

across the ocean, 1,000 miles away.

The sound bounces off layers

of water of different temperatures,

and then can be heart many miles away.

That same phenomena applies to light.

You're aware of that, right?

- Mm-hmm.

- Fata Morgana is a mirage when people,

and I've seen this myself, seen something on a rock

or some distance away in the desert.

And you could sometimes see a weird thing.

And when you came upon it, it disappeared.

Something happening over there,

the light bounces off a hot layer of air over there,

and appears over here.

So those floating ships that we've seen, mirages,

and many, many other objects, the explanation is that

a lot of phenomena are natural and explicable.

Now, it's also possible that some of these phenomena

aren't explained,

and that's what you're applying yourself to.

- That's the idea of this research.

- Right.

- Is to explain the explainable that the average person

would think is an anomaly, but in fact it's not.

- Right. - Yeah, exactly.

- When the normal average person looks up at the night sky,

or even the daytime sky, and they see something

that confuses them, typically they're making

the cognitive jump right to a UAP.

I can tell you for a 100% fact that we have technology

that does some crazy things, that looks so unconventional,

that the vast majority of the citizenry in this country

have no idea what's actually flying in our skies.

For example, Northrop Grumman's X47B,

this is a mock 9-plus capable aircraft,

it is shaped almost in an equilateral triangle,

this thing has a service ceiling

of roughly 40 to 50,000 feet.

So at that altitude, you're not gonna hear sound.

So the only thing that a person may be seeing

is just the reflection of ambient light

from the surface of the aircraft, which makes it look as if

there is an illuminated triangle flying across the sky.

One of the other examples of a drone

that most people don't know about

is Northrop Grumman's Bat.

They're much, much smaller, the Bat could probably fit

in the trunk of my vehicle.

So these things can be launched from a catapult on a ship

with without having to have a runway or a flight deck.

They are propeller-powered, electrically-driven,

and they have an endurance of up to 18 hours.

So this is a drone that has a small battery pack,

but it still maintains very robust sensor capability,

and an extended duration of almost 20 hours

of flight time, giving it the capability

of getting out to sea, potentially swarming

around a vessel, and returning.

The things that the Tic Tac was doing,

in my understanding of aircraft and flight dynamics,

we still are not at that level.

- Thanks for coming out, Ryan.

- No, no problem.

- I'll sit down and pick your brain for little while.

- Sounds good.

- Right, so it's been a while.

- It has been.

- Thanks for coming by, ship mate, I appreciate

you visiting us here while we're doing our research.

You were on board when commander Fravor did

his famous intercept and the Tic Tac video was created.

- Yes.

- Could you walk me through exactly how you found out,

like what you were doing on board?

I honestly never had met you

and it's a pretty small ship, so.

- Right.

I was part of the air detachment,

I was leading petty officer of HSL 43S detachment

on board with you guys on the Princeton.

I had actually been in combat at the time on the phone

with the command back home because we needed

something for our aircraft.

So we were working out the logistics of that.

During that timeframe, the intercept was going on,

there was radar screens, so I was able to see that.

And then of course, all of the commotion,

and what was going on around me during

that timeframe was definitely heightened.

- Were you there when the civilians had come on board?

I refer to 'em now as the men in khaki because,

- Right, so yeah, I was there when they showed up.

I was in the hangar during flight ops, they came in,

walked pretty much straight out of the hangar and left,

came back short time later with some bags and took off.

Well, I can fill you in on what they took.

- Yeah, I know you can do that.

- Yeah, all of our data are recording.

So now that you saw the Tic Tac video and the GIMBAL videos

and all the stuff that we know about what actually happened,

and the flight characteristics of what it could actually do,

you being really familiar with aircraft being

in the air deck, what did you think about it?

- What I thought about it is there's absolutely no aircraft

that can do what those things were doing

that I know of or have seen.

- So no nobody wants to be the UFO guy,

and it's usually hard to talk about anyways.

What made you be able to get over all that,

to talk about it?

Was there a real big stigma in the air deck

about stuff like that?

- Well, there's always a stigma when you talk about UFOs,

it doesn't matter if people believe you or not,

you're gonna get something for it.

- I always planning on making a full second career

in the department of defense as a contractor,

but because I was clowned and ridiculed

and kinda lost my reputation a little bit,

it destroyed me almost.

I saw this video on the TV guys like,

"Oh my freakin' God, it's happening?"

And I dropped the plate of food and I jumped on the internet

and found out what had just happened.

That moment shook me to the core

'cause I knew my life was about to change again.

I had gone through all this pain and suffering if you will,

so I feel validated right now.

- My thing is is, I saw what I saw,

and I can't unsee what I saw.

And if I saw it, then it happened, and I wanna back that up.

- For me, I was lucky that I didn't have the level

of PTSD that some of the other guys did,

but instead of trying to make this public, I internalized.

For a long time after the event,

I was emotionally completely voided.

I didn't really care, honestly, whether I lived or died,

or whether or not anybody wanted to have a relationship

with me, nor was I capable of having

any type of interpersonal relationship.

- We need to tell the truth about the things that we see.

- Yeah, and that's the one thing that really bugs

a lot of us about that too, is that we couldn't tell

the ops whole truth about things.

And if you did, nobody would believe you 'cause

the government didn't tell the truth either.

- Of course.

- Well, so do you wanna see what we gotta go going upstairs?

- All right, I'd love to see it.

- All right, let's go do it.

- Every step we make towards finding out

what these Navy Tic Tac objects are about

is a step towards these guys' recovery in a way.

In coming to terms with the event that changed their lives,

I feel, with this mission, we are uncovering

more and more pieces of the puzzle

that will hopefully someday bring some answers

to these very strange events.

We are four days in the expedition, I am getting

really excited about the results we have so far.

Hopefully we'll have more tomorrow.

Meanwhile, David Mason's inventions

that convert light to sound and sound to light

have been operational 24/7.

They've been capturing the light that comes from objects

in the sky, and retransmitting

the same pattern back to space nonstop.

I decided to give it a try, and see if we could capture

the sound of an anomalous object,

and broadcast our own music and sound back to them in space.

- So that's the object. - So which star is that?

- You're looking at Altair, so if you aim the goggles

and keep it in the center field of view,

- Right, right.

- Now you can hear it.

- Oh, yeah.

You can hear the rumble from it.

- Oh, there's an airplane.

Oh, I can hear the airplane, it's different.

Can you see over there, over there, can you see?

It's getting a different sound.

- It looks like it could be a satellite.

Oh wow, how cool.

So is this the middle one, is that the visible light?

- Yes.

So we have two different types of music

being transmitted on two different spectrums.

So it's kinda like radio stations

that have different frequencies.

So that way we can separate 'em out

and just put out different data.

- I am blown away by David Mason's inventions.

If we are able to capture the sound of objects in the sky,

then we can potentially identify the acoustic pattern

of a UFO, which can give us more information

about the properties of these objects.

And the music that we broadcast can reach

all points in space, and potentially a UFO

would receive our music as a mode of communication,

and hopefully will attempt to communicate back

with us here on earth.

The only way to find out if this mode of communication works

is to keep the devices running continuously,

and see if we can then correlate them

with an actual UFO siding in a measurable way.

That would be phenomenal.

- Day four, really tired, I hadn't been sleeping at all.

Other than that, we still got some more anomalous data

with the radiation detectors,

and we got the FLIRs going continuous still,

looking forward to tomorrow,

I'm gonna go catch a couple hours of sleep.

- Tell me when Gary gets here, so lemme catch some sleep.

- Already here. - You're too late.

Good morning.

- Morning.

That was all right.

Oh well, you still have to work.

Everything's starting to look up finally.

- Yeah, that's good, bro.

That's really good.

- It's good for everybody except the neighbors.

They think our equipment can see through their walls.

- Yeah, when the police come in last night,

they were a little concerned at first,

but then once we showed 'em what we had going on,

it was like, man, he was intrigued.

- Yeah, it must have been interesting since they sent

the other two up here too.

At least they all had a good time.

That's true, that's true.

All right, man, let's get to work.

- Let's get to work.

- How come it's always radiation

and they're never bringing coffee?

- Well. - Well, you know.

- Hey, we got an anomalous event for you to check out.

- Did it show up on FLIR?

- No, but you know what?

I think you can help us with it.

- Check it out, goes all the way down the coast,

turns around, tracks back up, that little black dot is us.

- Wait, what's on that orange path?

Is that-

- That's the flight path.

The historical flight path going down, coming back out,

veering out right over our roof.

- Oh, is that a helicopter?

- Yeah it's not a- - Helicopter

- It's a helicopter. - Yeah.

- But wait is-

- Just messing with you man.

- Couldn't this be copy as espionage?

- I called the company-

- much of a corporation yet.

That's a video of it going over the top of us.

- That's crazy.

- Yeah.

Get back to work, man.

- All right.

- So Gary?

- Yeah.

- Navy guy walks into a bar.

He's got a three-foot salami under one arm

and a poodle under the other.

- Yep, sounds like a good time.

- This has been hard, because it's a huge amount of work,

a huge amount of data and equipment,

but I'm getting really excited because David Mason tells me,

he recorded a flurry

of raining objects falling down from the sky.

Kevin Day said at one point it was raining Tic Tacs.

I don't know if these are the same raining Tic Tacs

that Kevin Day was talking about,

but it sure sounds very intriguing,

and I can't wait to find out.

- What do you guys got?

- We've got something really interesting here, Gary.

Now watch the screen.

What we have is objects that appear to be dropping

from the sky and, you see that?

It's just there momentarily and looks like

they're actually dropping into the ocean.

- That's crazy.

- And I've looked at this and I'm think

could this be a camera artifact?

However, there's a transition of decay time.

So this is very strange.

- So could these be like ice forming and dropping

into the water or, I mean.

- No, because what we're also seeing is it's transitioning

where it's appearing in the field of view momentarily,

and then disappearing,

but it's clearly having a trajectory that's downward.

- I'm seeing 'em come in and then out,

and then in again when they hit the water.

- It looks like they hit the water.

Looks like they illuminate in the water.

That's amazing.

Does this remind you of anything?

- Sure does.

It reminds me of the Tic Tacs from '04.

They would go from 28,000 feet down the sea level like that,

I mean just straight down, just like that.

- I first saw the first group of those, whatever they were

on the 10th of November and the intercept

with FASTGO flight happened on the 14th.

And I continued to see these things up until

about the 19th of November.

And they were always in groups of five to 10.

But if you were to add up all the groups,

there was about 100 of these objects.

- There were dozens of such tracks like this,

which correlate not only with high energies,

but also high rates in the cosmic watch.

- After we examined the videos that we recorded,

we were able to calculate the size of the objects based

on the camera field of view and the distance of the horizon.

We found that the objects were at least four feet across,

and falling at least at 5,000 miles an hour,

and the objects that were distant were measured out

at 69 feet across, and falling at a speed

of at least 84,000 miles per hour.

So even if we were off in calculations by 50%,

we have some extraordinary numbers that can't explain

this phenomenon as being something natural or known.

- Hey, you guys, what are you up to?

- They're showing me some basically objects falling

from the sky to the ocean.

They found some correlating data

with the radiation detection, and I mean, honestly,

it reminds me of the stuff we were seeing in '04.

- Wow! Tic Tacs?

It maybe Tic Tacs?

Maybe.

Caught on our cameras?

That's incredible.

- I mean, the fade out makes it look like

it is really something dropping from the sky,

based on the way it fades out.

- That's great.

Wow, we got a lot of stuff actually.

Honestly, I'm very surprised

about everything that we've got.

- You know, David yesterday,

we were doing all the night vision stuff.

- We just continuously broadcast

this over ultraviolet spectrum and white spectrum

and infrared spectrum.

- So let's say we've provoked it.

- We provoked it.

We have recorded objects falling down from the sky

at extraordinary speed that seem

to have similar characteristics as the raining Tic Tacs

that Kevin Day witnessed in 2004.

Our measurements of their size and speed also fall

within the same range as the findings made

by the scientific coalition of UAP studies,

as well as Dr. Knuth's scientific paper, "Entropy."

These in depth scientific analysis of the Navy Tic Tacs,

details similar estimated size and velocities

in the tens of thousands of miles per hour,

just like the objects we have captured on our FLIR cameras.

We are getting more validation

from other legitimate organizations

about potential UAP properties, which is exactly

what is needed for this level of rigorous research.

- So what kind of category do we think these things are?

Are they physical objects, a natural phenomena,

or are they mental manifestations?

Are we all imagining seeing these things?

I doubt that because we measure

with scientific instruments, right?

- Right.

We're not all being hacked, and spoofed on this.

- Yeah.

- So my thoughts are, it is from some

sort of intelligent creation and intelligent construction,

meaning it's a technological device.

It could be organic, it could be electromagnetic,

could be who knows what?

- On this hand it's ours, and on this hand, it's not ours.

And the answer lies somewhere in between.

So my mind right now is open.

If it turns out to be our stuff

or some other country's stuff, I'm good with that.

Okay, I have my answer.

If it turns out to be something not from this planet,

I'm good with that too.

Okay, I have my answer now.

- That stuff, knowledge, information, engineering,

that right now, to my knowledge,

nobody on this planet knows how to do it.

- Right. - Right?

So that suggests that it's somebody from

some other place has done this, or maybe other time.

- And I think that's an important point.

You mentioned earlier, the multiple cases,

you mentioned the Bassoon case.

That's from 1951, and you've got these objects moving

at very high accelerations and taking off at high speeds.

The pilot estimated it is leaving

at about 1500 miles an hour, and it was tracked on radar

from Newfoundland at 1800 miles an hour.

This is two years before the air speed record

of 695 miles an hour was broken.

So this thing was moving three or four times faster

than the air speed record.

- They're also now declassified reports thanks to FOIA,

mentioning flying white butane tanks.

That sounds like a lot like a Tic Tac to me.

And that was the late '40s early '50s.

Well, let me put this in perspective,

Einstein, Rosen and Polski came up with these concepts

in the 1905 timeframe, into later about 1913.

So in about 100 years, is all that humanity

has had a basic construct to say,

faster than like travel, worm holes, warp drives,

are even possible.

And it wasn't until 1994 that someone was clever enough,

Alcubierre came up with the warp physics that says,

"Okay, well the physics we've learned since 1905 tells us,"

okay, maybe it is possible to do what they do

in Star Trek and other science fiction, movies and books,

but that's only 100 to 120 years.

- Yeah.

- Not thousands not millions. - The universe

is 13.7 billion years old.

There's a civilization somewhere near us

that's thousands of years old.

Their Einstein was 10,000 years ago, for example.

So where does that put them now?

- What if you have multiple civilizations

and they have different technologies?

'Cause they use different things.

- Of course they do.

The other thing that happens is, space gets compressed,

makes the distances shorter.

Space isn't empty.

You've got about one hydrogen atom per cubic meter.

So as you compress space at very high speeds,

you're no longer flying through a vacuum,

you're flying through a cloud.

At close to the speed of light,

it's gonna rip your ship apart in no time,

unless you have a technology that allows you

to travel through matter without affecting it,

like we actually see here with-

- That is an excellent point. - With crafts moving

through the air without sonic booms

or moving through water without splashes.

We observed that. - That's the other counter

that's always given. - That's always data.

- We made it guys, we got a lot of great data,

and I just wanted to let you guys know,

I'm very proud of the way that you guys have performed

above and beyond any expectations I could have ever had.

We got some great results, and let's start getting ready

for the next one.

- The past days have been very hard and very exciting.

We managed to capture multiple anomalies

in multiple locations, across multiple devices in real time.

This is a first in the field of ufology.

What are the odds that we would capture

the exact Navy Tic Tacs

that these guys saw over their ship in 2004?

Now it's up to the scientists to continue analyzing

the data over the next few weeks, and tell us more

about the properties of these objects

and what this phenomenon is really about.

- That's right.

- Hey guys, we made it.

- Hey, glad You're here.

You're gonna need to sit down for this,

'cause it's pretty mind blowing.

- Wow. - So grab a seat.

- Okay, we want anomalies.

Is this very different?

- Yeah, and the story starts with a list

of anomalous events in the cosmic watch.

So I made a list of all events that were

either high in energy, high in rate or both.

So the highest energy we recorded in the cosmic watch

was 43.37 mega electron volts, MeV.

So that's the highest we recorded the entire week.

It's sort of like the maximum for terrestrial radiation,

Two MeVs more, average.

- Oh wow.

- That high energy event I just mentioned was at 4:01 A.M.

- Right.

- At 3:59 A.M, this is what the UFODAP recorded.

There's a hole in the clouds, which,

it's not abnormal to have a hole in the clouds

that closes, but notice those strange dots within it.

And also if you go frame by frame,

it closes in a fraction of a second.

That seems to be too fast for natural cloud formations.

- For clouds to move in and close the hole,

they would've had to be going something

like 700 miles an hour.

- How far away was it?

- Yeah, I can show you a diagram,

I've made of the situation.

Yeah, so it's basic trigonometry,

we're using the known angles, so we know which direction

the camera's aiming, we know the field of view of the camera

and that hole was about 18 degrees above the horizon.

And so given a cloud ceiling of about 1700 feet,

you can say that that hole was

about 1.2 kilometers off the coast.

And so it's an elliptical hole.

- Okay. - It's

about 0.4 kilometers long,

and then about 0.1 kilometers wide.

It looks like it's a hole in the clouds,

or it could be a false streak cloud.

Those typically happen when you have

very high altitude clouds and a section

of the cloud that then spontaneously freezes

and then the crystals fall out

and leaves a hole in the cloud.

That isn't possible in this case because the cloud ceiling

was only 1700 feet and it wasn't cold enough

for it to be that kind of cloud.

A hole like that could also be explained from

an airplane or another aircraft flying through the clouds.

That can cause a hole as well.

We didn't have any aircraft going through at the time,

and the UFODAP cameras didn't pick up any craft.

Now the cameras did start recording because

they detected something.

- But when Jeremy slowed it down, there's also a new dot

that appears in the last couple frames.

Yeah, there are a few dots appearing, yeah.

- Yeah, there's one fresh,

there's one lonely fresh dot that appears.

- Did you check the radiation data

with any outside organizations?

- We did, we looked at the data from Fermi

the NASA spacecraft that looks at gamma-ray bursts

from distant astrophysical phenomenon,

there's no correlation there.

We did have to check also for solar activity.

This event is not correlated with the solar activity.

- So what about the FLIR?

Anything with the FLIR?

- Unfortunately, the FLIR about seven minutes before

this event took place, all eight FLIR cameras shut down.

We lost power.

And power was distributed from two different sources.

- I don't think it's a coincidence though.

This really bothers me, 'cause it reminds me of

how the phenomenon is often associated

with electromagnetic anomalies that cause things

to break, cars to turn off, and things like that.

That I think it's really convenient that the FLIR went down.

- How about the people who would say, well, maybe there's

something malfunctioning with the camera?

What would you say to that?

- We actually have, several minutes before the video

we looked at, we have another video that doesn't have

the speckles, but has the hole, several minutes before,

but then even better, we have the entire week's worth

of UFODAP video and imagery,

where it's functioning perfectly.

It's triggering on birds, it's triggering on planes,

and it even has a built-in classification system

where it says percentage probability,

it's a plane or a bird.

Not only that, we also have direct controls

from a nearly identical part of the sky, day and time,

no hole, just clouds

and the cameras functioning perfectly normally.

So there's just too many strange coincidences here,

with all the different events that stack together.

I mean, it's really easy to take one video and say

it's this or that, or it's not really anomalous 'cause

it can be anything, but it can't be anything.

Because we've done these calculations,

and we have these correlations.

So it's extremely unlikely

that it was a malfunction in the camera.

- Was there any correlative data with

like weather radar or anything like that?

- Yeah, we were able to obtain weather radar

just before four o'clock, you see a large clump

of area where you have a lot of turbulence,

and so this is correlated with the presence of that hole.

The radar shows that there

was actually reflective objects in the area.

High energy particles in gamma-rays would've bombarded

the entire CCD chip on the camera, resulting in spots,

uniformly spread across the image.

As a result, these really appear to be physical objects

somehow appearing or materializing

in the hole in the clouds.

The radar returns suggests that we are seeing the objects

through the hole in the clouds at a distance

of about five kilometers away.

Thus, the objects are most likely about 35 to 50 defeat

in size, which is the estimated size of the Tic Tac objects

in the 2004 Nimitz encounter.

Wow.

- If you have something anomalous in different devices

at the same time, that reduces the probability.

This is why for example, I've never bought to the claims

that the, "Oh, the Nimitz encounter, that was just,

the radar didn't work."

So then the pilot's eyes were also deceiving them

at the exact same time the radar wasn't working properly?

And the radar wasn't working properly

at the exact same time the FLIR cameras wasn't.

It's just so absurd to claim that multiple devices

and multiple different imaging modalities

were all conveniently malfunctioning at the same time,

telling you the same thing?

That is absolutely insane.

- Well with all this, well, what is it?

- Because of how it looks like a hole that is open

and then closing, we've called it a wormhole,

which got me obviously extremely excited.

However, we have to be careful because

that would be obviously a major scientific discovery

that would require a great deal more evidence

than what we have.

Worst case, if it's not something tied in

with our main goal, looking for evidence

of non-human intelligence, this is a new phenomenon

that's no one's ever discovered.

This is an unidentified, unclassified new phenomenon.

We are adding to the UAP, unidentified.

- We're adding lexicon of unidentified objects.

- Wow.

- I forgot who it was who stated,

"Most scientific discoveries don't begin with Eureka,

they begin with, 'Huh'."

- Exactly.

That's exactly what we have here.

- It's one of those, "Huh, what the heck is that moment?"

- I think that interstellar travel's one of those things

that is not impossible, it's just really hard.

And it's not impossible,

even with the laws of physics as we know them.

What's so fascinating is that when I was six years old,

I thought that wormholes were real,

for interstellar transportation.

I called of them portals at the time.

They're, what got me dreaming of becoming a physicist.

And here we are today, we are turning science fiction

into real science.

We could be heading towards the biggest,

"See, I told you so," in history.

- In 1935, Einstein wrote a paper with his student,

Nathan Rosen, creating the Einstein-Rosen Bridge,

a bridge that in principle could allow you

to break the light barrier.

Take a black hole, which basically looks like a funnel,

and put two of them back to back.

Stick the two funnels together, and you now have a gateway

between two universes.

That would allow you in principle,

to go faster than the speed of light.

These are wormholes.

And are they possible?

Yes, but you would have

to be a very advanced civilization to do this.

- What we're seeing are things

that I think transient reality,

I come personally, to an area of multidimensional realities

of some kind that cross over periodically.

When they are here, the thing is just as physical,

when it's crossed over, it's physically there.

But when they separate again, it's not.

So when you ask the questions, where did it go?

Where, is not even the right question.

But it's very hard for us to contemplate things

that precipitate into physical reality

and then dissipate into apparent nothingness.

There's got to be other life forms out there,

it's my view that there are multiple phenomena

that are all interrelated.

- At the end of the day, we're trying to understand

the nature of our reality.

How things could be possible when they seem

to defy the laws of physics, as we know them today.

Our consciousness is entangled with space itself,

with everything that we witness.

But we can't deny an experience once we have it.

So perhaps our fascination with the mystery of UAPs,

could these be an extraterrestrial life form visiting us?

How are they getting here?

It is perhaps a way for us to understand who we really are,

how we fit within the bigger picture

in the cosmic map of the universe.

- What's a few thousand years to a galaxy

that is billions of years old?

There's other civilizations that could be millions

of years ahead of us, or perhaps millions of years behind.

That's the scale of the galaxy.

And that's why I believe they're out there.

And possibly even here.

Our main problem is that

we assume they're just as primitive as we are.

They can digitize their consciousness

and put it on a laser beam, and shoot the laser beam

at the speed of light.

What's at stake is our understanding of reality itself.

Our worldview could shatter with one credible incident

that cannot be refuted.

- The only explanation that makes any sense is that

there's something of higher intelligence

that's got advancement over our technology.

I think it's gonna change things of the world,

people are gonna understand there's something out there

that isn't us, it isn't harming us,

and we can learn from it.

This is a paradigm shift.

- Hi Bill?

- Hi.

- Good to see you again.

- I know I'm so looking forward to what you have have.

- Oh my God.

- Oh, really?

- Crazy. - That crazy?

- It's crazy.

- Don't waste another instance.

I need to see which you've got there.

- Okay, I've shown you some things before that we found,

that we're very, very interesting.

- Yeah.

It's not a bird, it's not a plane, it's not a blends-

- It's superman!

I mean, that has definitely been identified.

- I can't tell you how excited I am

to look at what you've got.

- It's incredible.

So keep your eye on this side of the frame.

- Yeah it's darker. - You see that?

- And then lightens up, and disappears.

- Uh-huh.

- Crazy!

It isn't crazy, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

- It's insane.

- Did anybody else analyze that?

- Everyone.

Don't forget, our scientists have taken all the data

for eight weeks nonstop, looking into

what could this possibly be?

This is radiation emission, and look at that.

- And there is a-

- Huge burst.

- Incredible!

- Exactly, of 43.37, that happens exactly at the same time,

as that opening and closing, then it correlates with radar.

- Right. - They saw

this cluster that happens to be exactly

in the location of that anomaly.

So-

- Okay, so you've got a spike in the radiation,

you've got a figure.

So what you're saying is that it's amorphous,

it opens and closes and contracts,

so it's nothing like we know.

It's nothing that is human knowledge.

- Exactly.

- Reporting at something and saying,

how mysterious our world is.

- This is what we think could be,

- Okay.

- A wormhole.

Some sort of gateway, some sort of-

- Wait a minute, wait a minute.

It's expanding and contracting?

- Yeah.

- Well a wormhole is a separation in time.

- Yes.

- Right?

And so that you can go through this separation,

you can go into another time zone.

- That is what the scientists are investigating.

That has never been explored before in this way

and recorded and measured.

- I think this that's wonderful.

- Yeah, yeah.

- I think it's glorious.

- Yes. - That you've gone to

all this time and expense, to look at phenomena,

that we don't know anything about, trying to measure it.

That's great.

That's just wonderful that you're doing that.

- I hope that with our endeavors out here,

that people will see that we can research this stuff

without negative consequences, and we can know

what these things are, and I hope that in the future,

that people will come together.

- It took a lot of work to get to the end of this thing.

At this moment, having proved what we did,

and to be successful, its hard for me to find in words.

I feel paid back and we changed the world.

- They went above and beyond my expectations.

They supported each other, they took care of any problems

and I just can't say anything other than,

they're absolutely amazing people.

- I've never seen anything like that before, ever.

It was something out of a movie almost.

And the fact that it wasn't military,

that it wasn't government,

the fact that it was normal people seeking answers,

I love that also.

Because they're accessible.

The government will always classify data,

the government will always hide data obviously,

but boom, there it is.

It's on a roof in California.

- Incredible scientists

are doing incredible scientific experimentation

and research, to see if there's more to this UAP phenomena,

and it's gonna change the culture in the world.

Scientists are gonna have to start taking

this more seriously,

if we're gonna get to the bottom of the phenomenon.

- And indeed we found evidence of strange events

that you can't explain away.

You're not gonna tell me

you have a radioactive bird or plane.

That's complete nonsense.

This phenomenon, whatever it is,

it's not a hoax and not an optical illusion.

- We have legitimate anomalies.

The next step in our jobs is to continue analyzing

the nature and the properties of these objects.

So that someday we can finally make

some definitive conclusions about

what this phenomenon is really about.

Is it natural, manmade or not of this earth?

- I believe we started something very important

in the field of UAP research.

If we discover the wormhole, a portal, a star gate

of some sort to other realities, or perhaps for now,

we can just call it a tear in the sky.

- Definitely some stuff going on

that we don't know about, for sure.

- I think there's other beings on other planets

that have visited us.

- No, I think no one's told us they visited us,

because we'd be scared.

- Some things, were not supposed to know.

- That's why they keep it a big secret,

that's why there's a conspiracy.

- Because they're way smarter than we are.

- No one's ready.

- They probably don't really wanna be associated

with a bunch of morons.

- They're definitely on some science that we're not at yet.

- Yeah, if anything, we've taken from them.

- They might be ahead of us or behind us.

We never know.

- Probably they have the iPhone 21.

They're just waiting till the time

to give that information to Apple.

- If hypothetically,

- Yes?

- A spaceship would land right now.

- Yes.

- And an extraterrestrial would say,

"Hey Bill, come on board with me."

- I would love to.

I would embrace that and say, "Come in peace.

We live in peace.

We want knowledge."

And I'd go into the spaceship

and let them give me a baby.

Oh, I love that.

- The next time you are kidnapped by an alien civilization,

for God's sake, steal something.

An alien hammer, an alien pencil, an alien paperweight.

There's no law against stealing

from an extraterrestrial civilization.

You're not gonna go to jail, and you'll have proof,

living proof that you've been in that flying saucer.

- I think it's extraordinary that you've spent your time

and your money doing that.

If we could explain something that humans don't understand,

and we have a valid certified explanation of something

that has been a mystery, and no longer is a mystery,

that only adds to this textbook of knowledge

that human beings are striving every day to fill.

And if you can fill that with one sentence,

let alone a chapter, it would be wondrous.

And I am filled with joy that you're making these forays

out into the stuff we see and don't see,

and trying to find an explanation.

That's wonderful, and I wish you well.

- Thank you.

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