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(calming music playing)
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There's a perfection about Clydesdales.
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They are incredible athletes,
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incredibly graceful in their movement.
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Just big personalities.
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That makes you feel small
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and humbled and incredibly privileged
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to be with them.
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They're beautiful.
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They are just beautiful.
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In order to have
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a Clydesdale become your partner,
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you really have to put your ego
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to the side and really be
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there for that creature
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that depends on you.
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I see them as
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just the most amazing breed.
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It's a treasure trove
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of positive traits and characteristics
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that I absolutely am passionate
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that we should not lose.
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You only need to look
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at the herd books
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to see that it's diminishing.
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There are far fewer horses.
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You don't need
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to be an expert to know that.
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That's just obvious.
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I started asking questions
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of the people who bred the horses,
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and they were telling me shocking stories
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of the breed entering
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what they call the extinction vortex.
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When a number of factors come together
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and unless you react quickly,
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the whole breed can just collapse.
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So I could either pretend
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I hadn't heard that,
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or else I could do something about it.
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It's now or never.
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We've really got to save this breed.
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They touch the soul.
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They really do.
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(calm music playing)
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(upbeat music playing)
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I'm Janice Kirkpatrick.
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I'm a designer.
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I have a business in Glasgow with my husband,
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an architect called Ross Hunter.
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We met when we were students.
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We work for some
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of the big global players,
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British Airways, banks like RBS,
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a lot of...
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Janice!
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Am I not allowed to say that?
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No.
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(Phone ringing)
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(laughing)
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( motor bike's engine revving)
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I suppose I've always been a big
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kid my whole life, in lots of ways.
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I like toys.
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I like bikes.
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The power is remarkable.
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Horses are the same.
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I think women at a young age
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identify with the power a horse
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can give them and it's exciting.
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I was always interested
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in the Clydesdale horse
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through my love of horses,
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but also through design.
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Thirty-odd years of practicing as a designer,
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I've come to truly believe
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that old is gold.
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And, for me, the Clydesdale
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is very much this kind of a thing.
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(calm music playing)
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Do you remember when horses were here?
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Yeah, but, I mean, I can remember
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when there was horses here,
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but there's not much of it left.
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Oh, boy.
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(calm music playing)
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This is a barn that would have
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at one time had several horses in it.
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These would have been big horses, Clydesdales,
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the pre-eminent breed.
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The best breed.
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The most highly bred horses in human history.
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And people were immensely proud of their horses.
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The breed was born
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in the Clyde Valley,
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to the southwest of Glasgow.
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Everything that came from the Clyde
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was of incredible quality,
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you know, the ships,
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the locomotives, steam engines,
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and the Clydesdale horse.
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In the lowlands of Scotland,
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let's not forget the great work
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that's been done,
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and is still being done by the ploughman
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and his good servant, the horse.
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The heavy horse,
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Scotland's pride and joy, the Clydesdale.
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You need a really well assembled
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musculoskeletal frame to get great power
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from the rear end of a horse
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because it's the great power
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that gives it its ability
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to push into a collar and move,
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you know, a ton weight.
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And it's also the power you need
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for a great riding horse.
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That's where the big horse race started.
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The race to create the biggest horses
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which could produce the most power
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that would fuel the agricultural revolutions
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and Industrial Revolution.
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[PA system] Second, Ronnie Black,
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number 10.
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And third,
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number 11,
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Amazing Grace from Sandy Aitken.
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Well done, Sandy.
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I love coming to shows like this
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because it really reminds me
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of just how long the Clydesdale has been part
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of our culture, our history.
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That's a nice one.
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Is it square buckles, or?
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Yeah, it's proper square buckles.
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Those who are taking
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part in the pairs competition.
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I think my earliest memory is
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of being at what must
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have been a country fair
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or a fete in Dumfries.
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And I must have been really wee,
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not much more than a toddler.
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I remember gripping onto the front
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of the saddle and looking down
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and the movement of the horse
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go like that, and thinking, "Oh!"
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Well I think I was seven,
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I started proper riding lessons.
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Thereafter, I became hooked.
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When I was a kid,
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shows with Clydesdale horses
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would have been packed
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and it would have been really exciting.
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It would have been a real celebration
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go and see the big horses.
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Today, it's a much thinner affair.
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There are fewer people and older people.
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Some of the older photography
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when they had dappled greys,
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they had horses of all colors
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which I think would
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have been quite amazing to see.
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Today, there's really only one color
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of horse and that's brown.
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And also there's not many horses.
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Well, this class that's
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just being shown just now,
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in the mid '90s
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there could have been 20 in that class
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and there are three today.
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So I'm not quite sure why.
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[PA system]- And that was number 27
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from Charles Jamieson.
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The overwhelming fact
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of the Clydesdale is
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that the horse and everything
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that surrounds it is aging.
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Catalogs are available
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from the marquee at the top end of the arena.
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Good morning, everybody.
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Good morning, Joseph.
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Ugh.
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Hello, Phoebe.
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(shoveling sawdust)
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(calm music playing)
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When I went
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to Glasgow School of Art, I was 18
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and the awful thing was
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I had to sell my horse
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because no one else in the family rode,
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and it scarred me very deeply.
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I still have a lot of regret over it.
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I always had a heartening
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to go back and to ride again.
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So I decided I wanted a Clydesdale.
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I wanted a black one.
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The blacks really appealed to me.
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And it's a personal thing I just think
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that they look amazing.
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I had a look around
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and I couldn't find
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any black horses in the UK.
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So I ended up with this one.
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He's an American Clydesdale
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from Oregon.
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Joe.
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He's got a really expressive face.
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He's very old-fashioned in style.
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He's a big horse by any, any measure.
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He's about just a shade under 18 hands.
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(upbeat music playing)
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Woo!
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What makes the Clydesdale so special is
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for me just the sheer power of them.
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They are just magnificent.
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Guys like Joe can be so light,
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absolutely light as a feather,
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and when you get
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that power with the lightness,
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it's a really special thing.
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When I'd made the decision
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to get a black Clydesdale,
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I got really interested in why
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there were no black horses in the UK.
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What happened to the black horses?
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(calm music playing)
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Where had they gone?
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(upbeat music playing)
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I'm on my way
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to meet Shona Harrison,
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whose partner, John Zawadski,
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sadly died a few months ago.
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John was a real expert
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in the Clydesdale world
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and he traveled up and down the UK
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to visit different shows.
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I think this is it.
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Come into John's office.
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I'd love to!
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A lot of it's just as he left it
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'cause its gonna take a long time
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to go through things.
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Just watch the steps.
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Photographs galore.
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Fantastic.
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There's one called Grand National
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that's used as a...
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It's W Johnson, 1918.
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I'm very interested in
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how the horses change over the centuries.
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They definitely have changed a lot.
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Over here-
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It's a very organized man.
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As I was saying,
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the breed histories are all down here.
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Clydesdale Horse Society history.
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All that up there's the history
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of Clydesdale Horse Society.
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Just amazing.
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All the original documents
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like newsletters, letters from the secretary,
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that sort of thing.
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I'm just amazed.
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It's not at all what I expected.
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So he's pieced together
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all the stallion information.
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This is going back decades
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and decades, you know, like centuries.
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It's a cornucopia.
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I've never known anything like it.
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Just glorious.
Gorgeous.
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Shona's collection includes antique sales catalogs
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from Scotland's most famous breeder
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of Clydesdales, Lawrence Drew.
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They are just exceptional.
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I've never seen catalogs like this ever.
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They are absolutely exceptional.
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It's a sale catalog
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for the Rolls Royces of horses.
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Lawrence Drew, he knew
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what he was doing.
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You know, when you look
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at Prince of Wales, I'm sure there must be a note
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somewhere about his color
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but he looks like a very black horse.
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I've not seen a Clydesdale stallion
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in the herd today
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that looks like this horse.
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(car horns honking)
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(foot prints approaching)
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Ross-o.
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Mm-hmm?
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This is the treat.
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Oh my.
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This is the catalog
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for the dispersal sale
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of Lawrence Drew's herd.
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This is 150 years old.
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That's amazing.
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That's Prince of Wales,
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one of the foundation sires.
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And these are all drawn.
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Wow,
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It's just awesome.
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What a size of a horse.
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Look at that.
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It's incredible. (laughing)
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And he has a lovely smile as well.
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I would too I think if I were him.
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I missed this the first time. And I looked at the next page,
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and then I flicked back
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and I found that.
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Does this still exist?
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I don't know.
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Merryton was where the first Clydesdale horses
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were really created.
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So what happened to the black horses?
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I started to dig.
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I'm relieved to find
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that Merryton is still a farm.
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It looks like the baronial tower is
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still there and many of the original buildings.
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(calm music playing)
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Merryton, this is
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where Lawrence Drew had his operation.
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He was absolutely clear
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that his horses weren't
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just to be beautiful.
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They had to be functional
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and, boy, they had to be sound.
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Lawrence Drew, he was an entrepreneur.
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He was a showman.
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Drew knew where he was going
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with the commercial part of the business.
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Thousands of horses were exported
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and because this was very much a business,
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they were building a brand
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and this was a big plan.
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This was a worldwide plan.
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This was about exporting
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to Australia and Russia
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and Italy and North America and Canada.
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And the blacks had been exported
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as being amongst the highest quality.
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If Drew had lived,
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I would just love to have seen
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what he could have bred.
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But he died hence the dispersal sale.
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This sale would have drawn people
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from all over the world.
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And apparently 6,000 people attended it.
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So all of his stock,
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which was really, you know,
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a treasure trove of the breed,
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it was being dispersed throughout the world.
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(upbeat music playing)
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I had a hunch that,
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because Clydesdale horses had been exported
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that there was a package of genetic material
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that had been exported with them.
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I want to understand more
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about the underlying health
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of the Scottish herd
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and get a snapshot of whether
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or not our gene pool is healthy.
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I quickly discovered that the UK
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has a very small
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and shrinking pool of Clydesdale horses
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which means it's very hard
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to keep the breed healthy in the future.
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I looked a bit further
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and started talking to people about it,
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talking to the vets about it,
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and they started telling me
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about problems with the breed.
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I started asking questions of the people
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who bred the horses.
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We lost five one year in a summer.
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And they were telling me shocking stories
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of the mortality rate
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and issues with breeding,
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like massively reduced fertility
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in mares and stallions,
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and increased foal mortality
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which means there are simply fewer horses
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and there's less genetic diversity.
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Clear signals of the breed entering
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what they call the extinction vortex.
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And, unless you react quickly,
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the whole breed can just collapse.
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And that changed everything.
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(upbeat music playing)
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Everyone knows there's a problem
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and nobody knows what the solution is,
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and nobody wants to act first.
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I just found it just incredibly sad.
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So, I couldn't possibly not try
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and do something about it.
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I really needed to go
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and speak to some scientists
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to find out exactly what was happening.
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The first thing we need
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to find out is how healthy
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is the herd in Scotland?
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I'm gonna find somebody,
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somebody who has the knowledge
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to find out what's happening
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and what needs to be done.
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Secondly, we need to find out
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if there is an issue with inbreeding.
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And the most important question
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is can the breed survive?
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That is the really big question.
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Hi, hi, I'm trying to get
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through to Jessica Petersen.
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(phone ringing)
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Hi, Janice.
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Thanks for taking this call.
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I really appreciate it.
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I'm really hoping that you can help
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unravel this Clydesdale mystery.
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I'm trying to understand
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how viable the genetic population is
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in our Clydesdale horses in Scotland.
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I'm wondering if there's a way
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that we can measure that,
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00:19:52,243 --> 00:19:53,530
if that would be something
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that you could help with.
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It seems like something
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00:19:56,118 --> 00:19:58,714
that we could get at using genetic data.
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How diverse is this population?
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Are the Scottish horses different
437
00:20:02,342 --> 00:20:04,795
than North American horses?
438
00:20:04,795 --> 00:20:05,628
So definitely something
439
00:20:05,628 --> 00:20:07,211
that's up my alley.
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00:20:09,407 --> 00:20:11,867
Jessica has agreed to do a genetic study
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00:20:11,867 --> 00:20:14,311
of the Clydesdale populations
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00:20:14,311 --> 00:20:17,237
in the USA, Canada, and the UK.
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And in order to do this,
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she needs DNA from horses
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00:20:20,161 --> 00:20:22,078
in all three countries.
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00:20:24,393 --> 00:20:25,850
By collecting that DNA,
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she can get a snapshot of the diversity
448
00:20:28,287 --> 00:20:30,863
and therefore the health of the populations
449
00:20:30,863 --> 00:20:33,363
in those respective countries.
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00:20:36,456 --> 00:20:39,465
So Jessica is gonna get 50 samples from Canada,
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50 samples from the USA,
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00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:42,358
which leaves me
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00:20:42,358 --> 00:20:45,349
to get 50 samples from the UK.
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And that gives us 150 hair follicle samples
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which is 150 bits of horse DNA.
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00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,831
That should be great.
457
00:20:54,831 --> 00:20:57,664
We should be good to go with that.
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00:21:03,172 --> 00:21:05,939
This is my little tool kit
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00:21:05,939 --> 00:21:08,189
for my genetic collections.
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00:21:12,181 --> 00:21:14,769
It requires the breeder
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00:21:14,769 --> 00:21:16,766
to provide a hair sample
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00:21:16,766 --> 00:21:18,685
of around 30 to 40 follicles
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00:21:18,685 --> 00:21:21,119
which are pulled from the mane or the tail.
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00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,369
I'm gonna do three horses this morning.
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00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:28,513
That's us.
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00:21:28,513 --> 00:21:31,179
That's our first sample.
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00:21:31,179 --> 00:21:33,512
So that's about 30, 40 hairs
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00:21:34,644 --> 00:21:36,900
with the roots in tact.
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00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,067
Stick that in an envelope.
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00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:42,547
What I'm gonna do
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00:21:42,547 --> 00:21:44,364
this afternoon is contact breeders
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00:21:44,364 --> 00:21:45,810
in the UK independently,
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00:21:45,810 --> 00:21:47,856
explain to them the project,
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00:21:47,856 --> 00:21:50,472
and ask them to participate.
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00:21:50,472 --> 00:21:51,850
Hi, it's Janice Kirkpatrick
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00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,259
trying to reach Caroline Reynolds
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00:21:54,259 --> 00:21:58,437
regarding the Clydesdale DNA information.
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00:21:58,437 --> 00:22:00,419
There's this feeling generally
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00:22:00,419 --> 00:22:03,121
within the kind of Clydesdale owners
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00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:05,024
in Scotland and in the UK
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00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:06,549
that everything's just okay.
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00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:07,475
You know, they see the horse
483
00:22:07,475 --> 00:22:08,636
outside in the field
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00:22:08,636 --> 00:22:10,361
and the horse looks healthy
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00:22:10,361 --> 00:22:12,132
and I don't think we've quite got
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the urgency of the situation.
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00:22:13,873 --> 00:22:15,840
But people have been actually
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okay about it, saying,
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00:22:16,763 --> 00:22:18,889
"Yes, we will do it."
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Thanks, thank you.
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00:22:21,014 --> 00:22:23,114
Need to count the bags.
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00:22:23,114 --> 00:22:25,272
One, two, three, four.
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00:22:25,272 --> 00:22:26,440
You're a star.
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00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,273
Thank you.
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00:22:28,382 --> 00:22:30,867
It would just really help.
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00:22:30,867 --> 00:22:32,373
16 samples.
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00:22:32,373 --> 00:22:33,206
Fantastic.
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I'm sort of the individual
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00:22:35,923 --> 00:22:38,075
behind the Clydesdale project.
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Another two.
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I've got another two.
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Ah.
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Blackstone.
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00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:45,467
Thank you, Bob.
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Two, three, four...36.
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00:22:49,339 --> 00:22:51,839
So far, so we need another 14.
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00:22:54,254 --> 00:22:55,707
Thank you so much.
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00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:56,540
Bye.
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49, 50.
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00:23:00,830 --> 00:23:02,413
We actually have,
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00:23:02,413 --> 00:23:04,283
we have 50 samples.
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We've got 50 samples.
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00:23:06,436 --> 00:23:09,387
That means that we've actually managed
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00:23:09,387 --> 00:23:12,374
to find enough DNA to do our survey
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00:23:12,374 --> 00:23:14,395
of the Clydesdale population.
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00:23:14,395 --> 00:23:15,812
It's really good.
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00:23:33,557 --> 00:23:34,765
This just came in the post
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00:23:34,765 --> 00:23:35,973
for you, Janice.
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00:23:35,973 --> 00:23:37,473
Oh, thanks, Zoe.
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These are the results
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of the DNA analysis.
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00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,473
Ah.
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00:24:01,473 --> 00:24:03,416
Data generated from these samples
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00:24:03,416 --> 00:24:05,179
support what you suspected.
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00:24:05,179 --> 00:24:07,076
Based upon the relative isolation
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00:24:07,076 --> 00:24:08,715
and small population size
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00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:09,923
of Clydesdales in Scotland,
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00:24:09,923 --> 00:24:11,606
they do have less diversity
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00:24:11,606 --> 00:24:14,584
than Clydesdales studied from North America.
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00:24:14,584 --> 00:24:16,639
And there is an increase in inbreeding
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00:24:16,639 --> 00:24:19,222
within the Scottish population.
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00:24:20,624 --> 00:24:23,203
Jessica, I've only skimmed it
533
00:24:23,203 --> 00:24:25,941
but it seems that our hunch was right
534
00:24:25,941 --> 00:24:29,419
that there is an issue with genetic diversity.
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00:24:29,419 --> 00:24:31,337
So, yes, the concern about
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00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:32,771
the Scottish population
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00:24:32,771 --> 00:24:36,029
being very small in size held true
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00:24:36,029 --> 00:24:38,448
in that inbreeding estimates
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00:24:38,448 --> 00:24:39,995
of the horses in Scotland
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00:24:39,995 --> 00:24:41,635
were generally quite a bit
541
00:24:41,635 --> 00:24:45,784
higher than from horses in North America.
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00:24:45,784 --> 00:24:47,398
And that goes back again
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00:24:47,398 --> 00:24:49,194
to the small population size
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00:24:49,194 --> 00:24:50,721
where if there's just not
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00:24:50,721 --> 00:24:52,067
a whole lot of horses,
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00:24:52,067 --> 00:24:53,533
you're going to be mating relatives
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00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:55,241
to relatives whether or not
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00:24:55,241 --> 00:24:57,491
you are intending to do so.
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00:24:59,033 --> 00:25:00,457
For the first time, I think
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00:25:00,457 --> 00:25:04,806
we have definitive, scientific, genetic proof
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00:25:04,806 --> 00:25:06,718
that the Clydesdale herd
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00:25:06,718 --> 00:25:08,552
in Scotland is in danger.
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00:25:08,552 --> 00:25:11,302
We have to do something about it.
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00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:15,780
It suddenly dawned on me
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00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:17,627
that I could maybe bring
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00:25:17,627 --> 00:25:20,395
back some new genetic material,
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00:25:20,395 --> 00:25:22,875
new genetic Clydesdale material to Scotland
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00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:24,882
that would give it some diversity
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00:25:24,882 --> 00:25:26,882
and some sustainability.
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00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:34,301
The very best horses were exported
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00:25:34,301 --> 00:25:37,801
because they commanded the highest prices.
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00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,557
They were exported to Canada
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00:25:41,557 --> 00:25:43,490
from Glasgow, from Liverpool,
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00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:45,823
and then from Canada they went down
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00:25:45,823 --> 00:25:49,240
into the United States and South America.
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00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:56,030
When the genetic material was dispersed,
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00:25:56,030 --> 00:25:57,617
some pretty big herds
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00:25:57,617 --> 00:26:00,664
were founded across Canada,
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00:26:00,664 --> 00:26:02,452
and some of the black bloodlines
570
00:26:02,452 --> 00:26:04,006
are in these herds today.
571
00:26:04,006 --> 00:26:05,701
The black bloodlines that have their roots
572
00:26:05,701 --> 00:26:08,534
in the old stud books in Scotland.
573
00:26:11,499 --> 00:26:14,082
What I'm looking for is
574
00:26:14,082 --> 00:26:17,165
a great-looking and great-performing
575
00:26:17,165 --> 00:26:19,774
pregnant, breeding mare
576
00:26:19,774 --> 00:26:24,107
so I can create black Clydesdale horses in Scotland.
577
00:26:28,107 --> 00:26:30,618
I think the time has now come
578
00:26:30,618 --> 00:26:32,586
for the horse to come back home
579
00:26:32,586 --> 00:26:35,419
again to the place it was created.
580
00:26:37,044 --> 00:26:39,186
It's important that I bring
581
00:26:39,186 --> 00:26:41,064
a horse back into the UK
582
00:26:41,064 --> 00:26:43,270
that is as different as possible
583
00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:44,768
genetically from the horses
584
00:26:44,768 --> 00:26:46,222
that we have at the moment.
585
00:26:46,222 --> 00:26:47,555
Because by doing that,
586
00:26:47,555 --> 00:26:49,376
I will strengthen and widen
587
00:26:49,376 --> 00:26:51,709
and deepen the genetic pool.
588
00:27:00,209 --> 00:27:03,626
(airplane touching down)
589
00:27:24,792 --> 00:27:25,625
Wow.
590
00:27:46,272 --> 00:27:48,387
I've come to Saskatchewan
591
00:27:48,387 --> 00:27:50,720
because there are descendants
592
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,428
of the original horses
593
00:27:52,428 --> 00:27:53,455
that were exported
594
00:27:53,455 --> 00:27:54,857
from Scotland to Canada
595
00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:56,524
all these years ago.
596
00:28:05,408 --> 00:28:06,325
Here we go.
597
00:28:08,491 --> 00:28:10,491
We got some Clydesdales.
598
00:28:15,006 --> 00:28:17,635
Such an amazing country.
599
00:28:17,635 --> 00:28:19,702
It's so big and flat
600
00:28:19,702 --> 00:28:21,178
and vast and endless.
601
00:28:21,178 --> 00:28:23,008
It's so different from Scotland
602
00:28:23,008 --> 00:28:24,841
and the land that we bred
603
00:28:24,841 --> 00:28:27,091
those horses on originally.
604
00:28:28,884 --> 00:28:32,079
With me I have got John Hankinson
605
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,804
who is a long-standing good friend.
606
00:28:34,804 --> 00:28:36,833
He's an equine manipulator.
607
00:28:36,833 --> 00:28:38,508
He's a master farrier.
608
00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:40,216
He's got a whole bunch
609
00:28:40,216 --> 00:28:41,883
of tools in his box.
610
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:45,956
Let's just go in this way.
611
00:28:45,956 --> 00:28:47,623
Is this it?
612
00:28:53,978 --> 00:28:55,061
We're here.
613
00:28:56,085 --> 00:28:57,502
At last.
614
00:29:01,131 --> 00:29:02,275
Janice, how we doin'?
615
00:29:02,275 --> 00:29:03,358
Good to see you.
616
00:29:03,358 --> 00:29:05,435
Good to see you.
617
00:29:05,435 --> 00:29:06,601
This is John.
Hi there, how ya doin'?
618
00:29:06,601 --> 00:29:07,559
This is Derek.
619
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,142
Nice to meet you.
620
00:29:10,821 --> 00:29:15,458
Derek Cey is a family of Clydesdale breeders.
621
00:29:15,458 --> 00:29:19,625
I think the 5th generation of Clydesdale breeding.
622
00:30:01,416 --> 00:30:03,874
(whistling)
623
00:30:03,874 --> 00:30:05,374
Come on.
624
00:30:07,026 --> 00:30:08,455
Hello.
625
00:30:08,455 --> 00:30:09,288
Hello.
626
00:30:29,084 --> 00:30:29,917
This is great.
627
00:30:29,917 --> 00:30:31,185
This is what I came here for.
628
00:30:31,185 --> 00:30:33,281
Just like swimming with horses.
629
00:30:33,281 --> 00:30:37,281
It's just brilliant. (laughing)
630
00:30:51,485 --> 00:30:53,620
Derek's herd is vast compared
631
00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:56,453
to anything I can look at at home.
632
00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:01,435
And it's very moving because
633
00:31:01,435 --> 00:31:02,268
it evokes the images
634
00:31:02,268 --> 00:31:04,851
of these huge studs that we had
635
00:31:04,851 --> 00:31:08,268
in Scotland 100 years ago, 150 years ago.
636
00:31:10,038 --> 00:31:12,955
It's just such a treat to see that.
637
00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:18,745
I've gotta to be really objective.
638
00:31:18,745 --> 00:31:20,348
When I see a horse I like,
639
00:31:20,348 --> 00:31:21,984
I'll write down the name,
640
00:31:21,984 --> 00:31:24,901
I'll take a photograph on my phone.
641
00:31:29,169 --> 00:31:30,002
I want a horse
642
00:31:30,002 --> 00:31:31,710
that has big hind quarters,
643
00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:33,215
not fat hind quarters,
644
00:31:33,215 --> 00:31:34,674
big muscular hind quarters
645
00:31:34,674 --> 00:31:36,319
that's where the power comes.
646
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:39,069
The limbs have gotta be straight.
647
00:31:42,154 --> 00:31:43,737
I also want a horse
648
00:31:43,737 --> 00:31:45,320
that has got really
649
00:31:46,363 --> 00:31:48,446
great rhythm, great movement,
650
00:31:48,446 --> 00:31:49,779
that has got a kind
651
00:31:49,779 --> 00:31:51,696
of cadence to its step.
652
00:31:56,053 --> 00:31:58,415
Amber, 3-year old, she's got a little
653
00:31:58,415 --> 00:31:59,998
bit of an attitude.
654
00:32:02,718 --> 00:32:03,750
Can we take a closer look?
655
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:05,917
Yep, you betcha.
656
00:32:08,074 --> 00:32:09,032
She caught my eye.
657
00:32:09,032 --> 00:32:10,490
She caught John's eye.
658
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:12,909
And she's got nice shoulders,
659
00:32:12,909 --> 00:32:14,826
all her zones are good.
660
00:32:15,753 --> 00:32:17,875
She's actually got quite a nice rear end.
661
00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:18,833
What do you think?
662
00:32:18,833 --> 00:32:20,073
Yeah, I like her.
663
00:32:20,073 --> 00:32:21,156
Yeah, yeah.
664
00:32:24,666 --> 00:32:26,755
The other thing about Amber
665
00:32:26,755 --> 00:32:28,645
is she is in foal.
666
00:32:28,645 --> 00:32:31,195
Derek thinks it's Willow Way Nightlight
667
00:32:31,195 --> 00:32:33,695
who is the big black stallion.
668
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,992
So that adds a different dimension,
669
00:32:37,992 --> 00:32:40,531
he's quite a rare black bloodline
670
00:32:40,531 --> 00:32:43,698
from an excellent herd of Clydesdales.
671
00:32:45,365 --> 00:32:48,647
Lot o' check marks you got goin' there.
672
00:32:48,647 --> 00:32:49,912
I like to see that book
673
00:32:49,912 --> 00:32:52,179
when you're all done. (laughing)
674
00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:53,137
It's tiring.
675
00:32:53,137 --> 00:32:54,220
'Cause you concentrate
676
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:55,869
and you think I mustn't mess this up.
677
00:32:55,869 --> 00:32:57,952
I mustn't miss something.
678
00:32:59,128 --> 00:33:02,079
So where do you keep your good ones, Derek?
679
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:04,996
You know how that worked?
680
00:33:08,022 --> 00:33:11,082
So Janice, what are your thoughts?
681
00:33:11,082 --> 00:33:12,999
I really liked Amber.
682
00:33:16,166 --> 00:33:17,922
What did you think?
683
00:33:17,922 --> 00:33:19,985
I think you've mentioned the one
684
00:33:19,985 --> 00:33:22,851
that I've got on my sort of list
685
00:33:22,851 --> 00:33:25,286
as being the prime candidate.
686
00:33:25,286 --> 00:33:27,164
She's in foal, she's got the right attitude.
687
00:33:27,164 --> 00:33:28,392
She's got a nice action.
688
00:33:28,392 --> 00:33:29,854
She's good clean-limbed.
689
00:33:29,854 --> 00:33:31,254
Looks to tick all the boxes.
690
00:33:31,254 --> 00:33:33,181
She's at the moment the one
691
00:33:33,181 --> 00:33:34,514
that I'm thinking is
692
00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:37,014
probably the best one for you.
693
00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:39,813
What's the plan now?
694
00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:41,803
Are we gonna do hands on?
695
00:33:41,803 --> 00:33:45,553
I think that would be a good idea.
696
00:33:50,654 --> 00:33:52,592
I wanted a pair of eyes
697
00:33:52,592 --> 00:33:54,819
on this horse and a pair of hands
698
00:33:54,819 --> 00:33:55,986
on this horse.
699
00:33:59,735 --> 00:34:02,084
John's a very, very good judge
700
00:34:02,084 --> 00:34:05,584
of how a horse is put together physically.
701
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:25,742
So far, so good.
702
00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:31,291
John's also got a good feel
703
00:34:31,291 --> 00:34:32,791
for personalities.
704
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,843
This is good.
705
00:34:42,002 --> 00:34:43,120
A hell of a girl.
706
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,453
I like this one.
707
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:50,087
Awesome.
708
00:34:50,087 --> 00:34:50,920
Awesome.
709
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,753
Yeah.
710
00:34:51,753 --> 00:34:53,461
Thank you, John.
711
00:34:53,461 --> 00:34:56,329
She's a crackin' girl, isn't she?
712
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:58,335
Fabulous.
713
00:34:58,335 --> 00:34:59,668
Hey good girl.
714
00:35:01,074 --> 00:35:02,926
I think that really affected John.
715
00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:04,407
Very rarely, he ever finds a horse
716
00:35:04,407 --> 00:35:05,900
that tries so hard
717
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:07,377
that he was just amazed at this horse
718
00:35:07,377 --> 00:35:09,720
which is really a wild horse
719
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:10,553
was trying so hard
720
00:35:10,553 --> 00:35:12,970
to understand what he wanted.
721
00:35:14,055 --> 00:35:15,565
Team hug.
722
00:35:15,565 --> 00:35:16,451
Team hug.
723
00:35:16,451 --> 00:35:17,744
Thank you.
724
00:35:17,744 --> 00:35:20,828
I'm so pleased that you came with me.
725
00:35:20,828 --> 00:35:23,690
That's the right horse.
726
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:25,940
Her energy is just amazing.
727
00:35:31,515 --> 00:35:32,515
Hey there.
728
00:35:34,648 --> 00:35:36,222
Yes, I've not organized it all
729
00:35:36,222 --> 00:35:37,820
but yes we have a horse.
730
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,503
You are gonna love her.
731
00:35:39,503 --> 00:35:42,243
John is absolutely in love with her,
732
00:35:42,243 --> 00:35:45,160
like unbelievably in love with her.
733
00:35:51,861 --> 00:35:53,479
What this horse is bringin'
734
00:35:53,479 --> 00:35:56,448
over is a whole toolkit of genetic
735
00:35:56,448 --> 00:35:59,076
lovely things that could take
736
00:35:59,076 --> 00:36:02,074
the Scottish herd in different directions.
737
00:36:02,074 --> 00:36:04,991
And that for me is really exciting.
738
00:36:06,346 --> 00:36:08,705
This isn't just about even my lifetime.
739
00:36:08,705 --> 00:36:11,955
This is about other peoples' lifetimes.
740
00:36:15,522 --> 00:36:19,522
Of all breeds, the Clydesdale deserves a future.
741
00:36:42,865 --> 00:36:45,136
So today is D-day.
742
00:36:45,136 --> 00:36:46,411
Really is the conclusion of Amber's
743
00:36:46,411 --> 00:36:47,970
journey over here.
744
00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:51,492
She's had 3,000 kilometers by road
745
00:36:51,492 --> 00:36:54,825
and then another 8 hour journey from Chicago.
746
00:36:54,825 --> 00:36:57,179
It's been delayed for 5 hours
747
00:36:57,179 --> 00:36:59,639
so she's gonna be fairly tired.
748
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,198
I'm really looking forward to seeing her.
749
00:37:02,198 --> 00:37:04,209
My husband Ross hasn't seen her at all
750
00:37:04,209 --> 00:37:05,917
so it's a big deal
751
00:37:05,917 --> 00:37:07,750
for both of us really.
752
00:37:16,542 --> 00:37:19,792
(upbeat music playing)
753
00:37:34,335 --> 00:37:36,684
Amber coped ridiculously well
754
00:37:36,684 --> 00:37:38,017
with the travel.
755
00:37:39,219 --> 00:37:42,624
It's beginning to feel a bit like Christmas.
756
00:37:42,624 --> 00:37:45,558
I'm very relieved that she is so cool
757
00:37:45,558 --> 00:37:46,891
with everything.
758
00:37:48,407 --> 00:37:51,574
She's not phased by it so that's good.
759
00:38:10,026 --> 00:38:11,776
Don't need your help.
760
00:38:13,662 --> 00:38:15,245
You're such a pest.
761
00:38:19,307 --> 00:38:21,474
This is our Canadian lady.
762
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,066
Don't be cheeky.
763
00:38:24,066 --> 00:38:25,566
She's very cheeky.
764
00:38:28,252 --> 00:38:29,733
I don't call my horses
765
00:38:29,733 --> 00:38:31,158
by their pedigree names.
766
00:38:31,158 --> 00:38:32,366
It's quite nice just
767
00:38:32,366 --> 00:38:33,199
to hang with them
768
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:34,032
for awhile and find out
769
00:38:34,032 --> 00:38:35,931
what their characters are like.
770
00:38:35,931 --> 00:38:38,166
She just doesn't feel like an Amber.
771
00:38:38,166 --> 00:38:39,630
She's not an amber light.
772
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:42,630
This horse is a full-on green light.
773
00:38:44,235 --> 00:38:46,603
She was just so audacious
774
00:38:46,603 --> 00:38:48,932
that I decided to call her Jesse James
775
00:38:48,932 --> 00:38:51,040
after the outlaw.
776
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,790
Good girl, good girl.
777
00:38:55,194 --> 00:38:56,902
We've got John Morris,
778
00:38:56,902 --> 00:38:58,485
my local vet coming
779
00:39:00,299 --> 00:39:02,299
to have a look at Jesse.
780
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,767
I'm knackered.
781
00:39:16,224 --> 00:39:17,997
Is this your new girl, Janice?
782
00:39:17,997 --> 00:39:20,422
This certainly is.
783
00:39:20,422 --> 00:39:22,172
Good girl, good girl.
784
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,261
All right so these are identification
785
00:39:29,261 --> 00:39:32,844
documents for the Clydesdale Horse Society.
786
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,914
She looks a very different type.
787
00:39:35,914 --> 00:39:37,551
It's interesting to see
788
00:39:37,551 --> 00:39:39,134
that there was another line
789
00:39:39,134 --> 00:39:42,598
of Clydesdales differentiated in another country.
790
00:39:42,598 --> 00:39:43,890
In terms of her pregnancy,
791
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:47,135
we don't know quite how far on she is.
792
00:39:47,135 --> 00:39:49,257
It's really very difficult
793
00:39:49,257 --> 00:39:51,173
to try and get a date.
794
00:39:51,173 --> 00:39:53,012
It's not unusual to find that
795
00:39:53,012 --> 00:39:54,970
people sit up for about two weeks
796
00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:57,162
waiting for their mare to foal. And then they go to bed
797
00:39:57,162 --> 00:39:58,661
because they're so tired
798
00:39:58,661 --> 00:39:59,994
and then guess what happens,
799
00:39:59,994 --> 00:40:01,351
they foal that night.
800
00:40:01,351 --> 00:40:03,812
Are there any particular features
801
00:40:03,812 --> 00:40:05,395
of a Clydesdale birth
802
00:40:05,395 --> 00:40:08,312
as opposed to a normal horse birth?
803
00:40:10,163 --> 00:40:13,163
Clydesdales can be more difficult.
804
00:40:15,982 --> 00:40:16,815
If the foal's not
805
00:40:16,815 --> 00:40:18,120
in the right position,
806
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,120
then they can get stuck.
807
00:40:20,982 --> 00:40:23,281
Beyond that there's an inner sack.
808
00:40:23,281 --> 00:40:25,272
Normally the foal bursts through that.
809
00:40:25,272 --> 00:40:26,930
That's part of the birth process
810
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,513
but if the foal is born
811
00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:30,846
and the sack is over its face
812
00:40:30,846 --> 00:40:32,679
then it can't breathe.
813
00:40:34,743 --> 00:40:36,699
It's quite scary stuff actually
814
00:40:36,699 --> 00:40:40,199
especially when it's horses that you love.
815
00:40:41,138 --> 00:40:42,430
If things go wrong,
816
00:40:42,430 --> 00:40:44,319
they go terribly wrong.
817
00:40:44,319 --> 00:40:46,720
and they go wrong very, very quickly.
818
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,264
I've got a very good imagination.
819
00:40:49,264 --> 00:40:52,764
I'm very good at imagining horror stories.
820
00:40:58,172 --> 00:41:00,402
One thing that's become really clear to me
821
00:41:00,402 --> 00:41:02,804
about how we save the Clydesdale
822
00:41:02,804 --> 00:41:04,512
is if we can't tie it
823
00:41:04,512 --> 00:41:07,262
to a hopeful future, it will die.
824
00:41:09,426 --> 00:41:10,886
I really want to create
825
00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:13,572
the world center for this horse
826
00:41:13,572 --> 00:41:16,180
that has got some permanence,
827
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:19,930
that's got some sustainability going forward.
828
00:41:21,801 --> 00:41:24,801
It builds some value into the horses
829
00:41:26,011 --> 00:41:27,857
so that there's a market for people
830
00:41:27,857 --> 00:41:29,065
who want to buy them,
831
00:41:29,065 --> 00:41:30,664
look after them, and enjoy them,
832
00:41:30,664 --> 00:41:32,581
and keep breeding them.
833
00:41:49,946 --> 00:41:53,696
The actual archway is 17th century.
834
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,548
I've not been here for years.
835
00:42:01,548 --> 00:42:02,965
Absolutely years.
836
00:42:03,845 --> 00:42:06,316
I think Pollok Park Stables are fabulous.
837
00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:07,524
They are fabulous.
838
00:42:07,524 --> 00:42:09,485
They are beautiful.
839
00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:11,743
Early 18th century stables so they fit
840
00:42:11,743 --> 00:42:14,202
entirely with the story of the Clydesdale.
841
00:42:14,202 --> 00:42:15,717
It actually has done well.
842
00:42:15,717 --> 00:42:16,550
It has.
843
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:18,194
To stay up so well.
844
00:42:18,194 --> 00:42:19,402
The roof's not exactly straight
845
00:42:19,402 --> 00:42:20,735
and I see the pigeons have moved in
846
00:42:20,735 --> 00:42:22,652
but it's not the worst.
847
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:29,574
So these would be the original stables.
848
00:42:29,574 --> 00:42:31,157
Tell a few stories.
849
00:42:33,032 --> 00:42:35,463
Lots of teeth marks and foot marks,
850
00:42:35,463 --> 00:42:36,630
but no horses.
851
00:42:39,385 --> 00:42:40,577
It'd be great to get them back again.
852
00:42:40,577 --> 00:42:41,410
Oh yes it would.
853
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:42,347
That's the plan.
854
00:42:42,347 --> 00:42:43,764
Yes, I hope so.
855
00:42:46,495 --> 00:42:47,328
Seems to me
856
00:42:47,328 --> 00:42:48,161
that Pollok House Stables
857
00:42:48,161 --> 00:42:49,356
is a bit of a gift
858
00:42:49,356 --> 00:42:51,230
because it's right in the center of Glasgow
859
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:53,033
in the Clyde Valley,
860
00:42:53,033 --> 00:42:55,783
the source of this amazing horse.
861
00:42:57,571 --> 00:42:58,862
Pollok Park could be the thing
862
00:42:58,862 --> 00:43:01,445
that helps save the Clydesdale.
863
00:43:14,289 --> 00:43:17,619
Trying to keep sight of Jesse today
864
00:43:17,619 --> 00:43:20,827
because she's really close to giving birth
865
00:43:20,827 --> 00:43:23,310
and I don't want her to creep off
866
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:25,600
and give birth in the field shelter
867
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,683
or in some other corner of the field.
868
00:43:33,741 --> 00:43:36,239
Because things happen really quickly
869
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,791
in foaling this is me being organized.
870
00:43:39,791 --> 00:43:41,611
I didn't want to get caught up
871
00:43:41,611 --> 00:43:44,233
in the action and not know what to do.
872
00:43:44,233 --> 00:43:46,865
At what point does it get dangerous?
873
00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:48,222
Just watching the time again,
874
00:43:48,222 --> 00:43:50,216
the foal standing, sucking.
875
00:43:50,216 --> 00:43:51,568
There's a 1, 2, 3 rule
876
00:43:51,568 --> 00:43:53,253
which is foal standing within an hour,
877
00:43:53,253 --> 00:43:54,670
sucking within 2 hours,
878
00:43:54,670 --> 00:43:58,017
and placenta passed within 3 hours.
879
00:43:58,017 --> 00:43:59,021
If anything goes wrong,
880
00:43:59,021 --> 00:44:00,526
it goes catastrophically wrong,
881
00:44:00,526 --> 00:44:02,109
very, very quickly.
882
00:44:12,151 --> 00:44:15,334
We installed a little Wi-Fi camera
883
00:44:15,334 --> 00:44:16,917
which is brilliant.
884
00:44:17,752 --> 00:44:20,349
Because it connects to my mobile phone
885
00:44:20,349 --> 00:44:22,184
or my other devices
886
00:44:22,184 --> 00:44:23,767
and it means I can watch
887
00:44:23,767 --> 00:44:25,850
what's happening in the foaling box
888
00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:27,989
so I can check during the night
889
00:44:27,989 --> 00:44:29,588
and just see where she's at.
890
00:44:29,588 --> 00:44:31,030
If there's much movement,
891
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:34,113
the camera tells me there's movement.
892
00:44:40,605 --> 00:44:42,772
All we can do now is wait.
893
00:45:21,158 --> 00:45:23,290
I want to bring people together
894
00:45:23,290 --> 00:45:26,737
who have an interest in the future
895
00:45:26,737 --> 00:45:29,987
of the Clydesdale horse in Pollok Park.
896
00:45:40,174 --> 00:45:41,959
Around 30% of Clydesdale foals
897
00:45:41,959 --> 00:45:43,837
are dying from a range of disorders
898
00:45:43,837 --> 00:45:45,454
commonly associated with a diminishing
899
00:45:45,454 --> 00:45:47,758
population and a thinning gene pool.
900
00:45:47,758 --> 00:45:48,841
And compared to most
901
00:45:48,841 --> 00:45:51,365
other common horse breeds,
902
00:45:51,365 --> 00:45:52,863
deaths are really rare.
903
00:45:52,863 --> 00:45:55,483
So 30% is a huge number
904
00:45:55,483 --> 00:45:56,921
and it's heartbreaking.
905
00:45:56,921 --> 00:45:58,614
It's heartbreaking for breeders
906
00:45:58,614 --> 00:46:00,455
and it's heartbreaking for the mares
907
00:46:00,455 --> 00:46:01,927
who can carry their foals
908
00:46:01,927 --> 00:46:04,442
for a year before they give birth.
909
00:46:04,442 --> 00:46:07,487
We can do something about it.
910
00:46:07,487 --> 00:46:09,156
What I'd like to do now is
911
00:46:09,156 --> 00:46:11,116
to explore how we might create
912
00:46:11,116 --> 00:46:13,176
a sustainable world center
913
00:46:13,176 --> 00:46:15,009
here in Pollok Park.
914
00:46:15,009 --> 00:46:17,361
Pollok Stables, something that's vibrant,
915
00:46:17,361 --> 00:46:19,170
that's world class.
916
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:21,587
(applauding)
917
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:28,068
I have been involved in this project.
918
00:46:28,068 --> 00:46:29,710
It makes sense to me
919
00:46:29,710 --> 00:46:31,043
and this is the moment
920
00:46:31,043 --> 00:46:32,626
when I discover if it is
921
00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:34,009
actually going to make sense
922
00:46:34,009 --> 00:46:35,932
to anybody else.
923
00:46:35,932 --> 00:46:38,432
So there's a lot riding on it.
924
00:46:39,512 --> 00:46:40,904
All breeders as well,
925
00:46:40,904 --> 00:46:41,862
I think we actually need
926
00:46:41,862 --> 00:46:42,907
to work as one.
927
00:46:42,907 --> 00:46:44,865
We need to research old methods,
928
00:46:44,865 --> 00:46:46,823
try to find a way to replicate,
929
00:46:46,823 --> 00:46:48,747
not look what's missing.
930
00:46:48,747 --> 00:46:50,376
We're seeing how important it is
931
00:46:50,376 --> 00:46:52,132
to have somebody like Janice
932
00:46:52,132 --> 00:46:54,402
who has the energy and drive
933
00:46:54,402 --> 00:46:58,033
to just say to people, "Let's do it."
934
00:46:58,033 --> 00:46:59,909
The urgency of the situation
935
00:46:59,909 --> 00:47:01,453
is to sort the gene pool out
936
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:02,911
and have a breeding plan
937
00:47:02,911 --> 00:47:04,869
that will ensure the health
938
00:47:04,869 --> 00:47:07,536
of the continuity of this breed.
939
00:47:10,151 --> 00:47:11,359
It was really good,
940
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,611
really positive, really positive.
941
00:47:13,611 --> 00:47:16,974
I really feel that we can make something happen.
942
00:47:16,974 --> 00:47:18,265
I feel very good about it.
943
00:47:18,265 --> 00:47:20,449
You know when something feels right.
944
00:47:20,449 --> 00:47:21,866
You just know it.
945
00:47:29,973 --> 00:47:30,806
Hi there.
946
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:34,344
It's Janice Kirkpatrick at Lindsayston.
947
00:47:34,344 --> 00:47:35,302
I have a mare
948
00:47:35,302 --> 00:47:38,255
who I think might foal tonight.
949
00:47:38,255 --> 00:47:39,088
Thank you.
950
00:47:39,088 --> 00:47:39,921
Thanks.
951
00:47:58,358 --> 00:47:59,316
It got to half past five
952
00:47:59,316 --> 00:48:01,566
in the morning and nothing.
953
00:48:02,792 --> 00:48:04,792
So I went back to sleep.
954
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,177
I don't like lookin' back
955
00:48:41,177 --> 00:48:43,221
at that bit of film very much.
956
00:48:43,221 --> 00:48:45,021
The foal can't breathe on her own yet
957
00:48:45,021 --> 00:48:47,323
because her face is completely covered
958
00:48:47,323 --> 00:48:49,003
in this amniotic sack
959
00:48:49,003 --> 00:48:50,669
that has to be removed.
960
00:48:50,669 --> 00:48:52,710
And Jesse needs to break the sack.
961
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:54,400
She needs to do it quickly
962
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,900
so the foal doesn't suffocate.
963
00:49:03,167 --> 00:49:04,785
Jesse just instinctively knows
964
00:49:04,785 --> 00:49:06,807
that she's gotta get the sack
965
00:49:06,807 --> 00:49:08,826
off the face of her foal
966
00:49:08,826 --> 00:49:10,576
and help her breathe.
967
00:49:28,535 --> 00:49:30,702
Woke up again, 10 past 6
968
00:49:32,959 --> 00:49:35,792
and there's this little white face
969
00:49:36,631 --> 00:49:38,881
peering out from the straw.
970
00:49:40,415 --> 00:49:41,774
Absolutely shocked.
971
00:49:41,774 --> 00:49:42,607
It was like,
972
00:49:42,607 --> 00:49:43,859
where the hell did that come from?
973
00:49:43,859 --> 00:49:46,088
Ross was going, "There's a face!
974
00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:47,421
There's a face!"
975
00:49:48,605 --> 00:49:49,438
Hello!
976
00:49:52,366 --> 00:49:53,550
It's not up yet.
977
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:54,773
It just happened.
978
00:49:54,773 --> 00:49:56,556
We'd better phone the vet.
979
00:49:56,556 --> 00:49:59,283
Can you phone John for me?
980
00:49:59,283 --> 00:50:01,278
John? Who's John?
981
00:50:01,278 --> 00:50:03,810
There's an awful lot of blood.
982
00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:04,959
Um...
983
00:50:04,959 --> 00:50:06,042
The, the vet!
984
00:50:23,378 --> 00:50:25,086
That's a wee girl.
985
00:50:25,086 --> 00:50:26,003
A wee girl.
986
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:32,493
That's a good girl.
987
00:50:33,368 --> 00:50:34,201
Yes.
988
00:50:44,493 --> 00:50:45,826
That's your mum.
989
00:50:47,364 --> 00:50:49,145
When Jesse was pregnant,
990
00:50:49,145 --> 00:50:50,716
I was convinced that this foal
991
00:50:50,716 --> 00:50:52,461
wanted be called Snowy
992
00:50:52,461 --> 00:50:54,711
and Ross thought I was mad.
993
00:50:56,459 --> 00:50:58,200
She's got a big white face
994
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,589
and she's this weird lavender color
995
00:51:00,589 --> 00:51:02,496
with flecks of white through her coat
996
00:51:02,496 --> 00:51:04,996
so she is quite a snowy horse.
997
00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:08,186
She'll go pretty much black.
998
00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:14,269
Thanks for coming over John.
999
00:51:14,269 --> 00:51:15,352
I really appreciate it.
1000
00:51:15,352 --> 00:51:16,310
Has the foal been up yet?
1001
00:51:16,310 --> 00:51:17,477
No, not yet.
1002
00:51:22,959 --> 00:51:24,602
She's finding it really hard to stand.
1003
00:51:24,602 --> 00:51:27,074
And we've just been doing a combination
1004
00:51:27,074 --> 00:51:28,824
of letting her sleep.
1005
00:51:33,454 --> 00:51:34,756
She then gets up,
1006
00:51:34,756 --> 00:51:36,089
she can actually latch
1007
00:51:36,089 --> 00:51:37,297
onto the teat now
1008
00:51:37,297 --> 00:51:39,714
but she can't stand for long.
1009
00:51:42,949 --> 00:51:45,782
She's so slippery.
1010
00:51:55,846 --> 00:51:57,750
We really want to get Snowy
1011
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:59,988
standing so that she can suckle
1012
00:51:59,988 --> 00:52:02,696
from Jesse and get milk, especially
1013
00:52:02,696 --> 00:52:04,305
the first milk which is called
1014
00:52:04,305 --> 00:52:05,787
colostrum which has got
1015
00:52:05,787 --> 00:52:07,619
antibodies in it which will help
1016
00:52:07,619 --> 00:52:09,619
build her immune system.
1017
00:52:11,363 --> 00:52:12,571
And that's one of the things
1018
00:52:12,571 --> 00:52:14,968
that can cause mortality in foals,
1019
00:52:14,968 --> 00:52:17,635
is not getting enough colostrum.
1020
00:52:25,213 --> 00:52:26,665
We thought, oh, my God,
1021
00:52:26,665 --> 00:52:29,082
something's going wrong here.
1022
00:52:33,906 --> 00:52:35,862
The structure of the foal's stomach
1023
00:52:35,862 --> 00:52:37,530
changes after eight hours
1024
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:39,360
and it becomes impossible
1025
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,076
for the foal then to benefit
1026
00:52:41,076 --> 00:52:43,258
from this immunity given to it
1027
00:52:43,258 --> 00:52:44,925
by its mothers milk.
1028
00:52:45,935 --> 00:52:47,386
John wants to make sure
1029
00:52:47,386 --> 00:52:48,912
that we've got her immune system
1030
00:52:48,912 --> 00:52:50,625
kicked in so he's going to,
1031
00:52:50,625 --> 00:52:52,963
he's putting a tube into her stomach
1032
00:52:52,963 --> 00:52:54,539
and putting in quite
1033
00:52:54,539 --> 00:52:56,122
a lot of colostrum.
1034
00:53:09,368 --> 00:53:11,076
He's got to be very careful
1035
00:53:11,076 --> 00:53:14,187
to get the tube into the stomach,
1036
00:53:14,187 --> 00:53:15,354
not the lungs.
1037
00:53:16,225 --> 00:53:17,106
See it there?
1038
00:53:17,106 --> 00:53:17,939
Yeah.
1039
00:53:17,939 --> 00:53:19,197
And if we can see it...
1040
00:53:19,197 --> 00:53:20,030
Yeah.
1041
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:21,379
It's in the right place.
1042
00:53:21,379 --> 00:53:23,082
It means it's not in the airway.
1043
00:53:23,082 --> 00:53:24,832
It's way down here.
1044
00:53:30,085 --> 00:53:31,897
Snowy's snoring and drinking
1045
00:53:31,897 --> 00:53:33,314
at the same time.
1046
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,684
Just pull it off.
1047
00:53:38,684 --> 00:53:39,642
That's good.
1048
00:53:39,642 --> 00:53:41,301
There we go.
1049
00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,134
Well done.
1050
00:53:42,134 --> 00:53:43,830
So all that milk in you,
1051
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:46,006
you're going to be strong now.
1052
00:53:46,006 --> 00:53:47,006
There we go.
1053
00:53:49,624 --> 00:53:51,423
Now she's had some colostrum,
1054
00:53:51,423 --> 00:53:53,152
the biggest problem is getting
1055
00:53:53,152 --> 00:53:54,900
them up and getting them sucking
1056
00:53:54,900 --> 00:53:57,817
within a reasonable amount of time.
1057
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,260
Yeah, good girl.
1058
00:54:03,093 --> 00:54:03,926
Up we go
1059
00:54:04,935 --> 00:54:06,145
Get it right here,
1060
00:54:06,145 --> 00:54:06,978
you're a wee bit
1061
00:54:06,978 --> 00:54:08,561
too far back again.
1062
00:54:09,992 --> 00:54:12,492
She's going for the right bit.
1063
00:54:14,963 --> 00:54:16,634
It's always in my mind that
1064
00:54:16,634 --> 00:54:18,197
I could lose a foal,
1065
00:54:18,197 --> 00:54:19,864
I could lose a mare.
1066
00:54:24,956 --> 00:54:26,408
I really, really, really want
1067
00:54:26,408 --> 00:54:28,075
this foal to suckle.
1068
00:54:29,816 --> 00:54:30,923
The sooner she can stand up
1069
00:54:30,923 --> 00:54:33,428
on her own and suck, the better.
1070
00:54:33,428 --> 00:54:34,606
If only she could stand
1071
00:54:34,606 --> 00:54:37,273
on her own, it would be perfect.
1072
00:54:42,362 --> 00:54:45,029
(horse whining)
1073
00:55:21,157 --> 00:55:22,530
Whoa!
1074
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:23,613
And we're up!
1075
00:55:27,008 --> 00:55:28,477
Oh!
1076
00:55:28,477 --> 00:55:29,310
That's it.
1077
00:55:58,856 --> 00:56:00,690
Are you going to be a big grey girl?
1078
00:56:00,690 --> 00:56:01,821
Are you?
1079
00:56:01,821 --> 00:56:04,570
Are you going to be a black roan?
1080
00:56:04,570 --> 00:56:06,737
Are you going to be black?
1081
00:56:07,876 --> 00:56:09,211
Have you got little teeth?
1082
00:56:09,211 --> 00:56:10,403
Are these your teeth?
1083
00:56:10,403 --> 00:56:12,524
They're tiny teeth.
1084
00:56:12,524 --> 00:56:16,873
Imagine having tiny little teeth like that.
1085
00:56:16,873 --> 00:56:17,706
Yeah.
1086
00:56:23,831 --> 00:56:25,824
I think I've achieved way more
1087
00:56:25,824 --> 00:56:27,782
than I ever set out to do.
1088
00:56:27,782 --> 00:56:28,952
Atta girl.
1089
00:56:28,952 --> 00:56:29,785
Good girl.
1090
00:56:30,945 --> 00:56:33,279
I asked a fairly simple question
1091
00:56:33,279 --> 00:56:34,612
about why there were
1092
00:56:34,612 --> 00:56:36,779
no black horses in the UK.
1093
00:56:40,534 --> 00:56:42,117
I got a much bigger,
1094
00:56:42,117 --> 00:56:43,784
deeper, wider answer
1095
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,166
which gave us a clear indication
1096
00:56:47,166 --> 00:56:48,624
of what we need to do
1097
00:56:48,624 --> 00:56:50,207
to save this breed.
1098
00:56:53,237 --> 00:56:54,592
And there are many other people
1099
00:56:54,592 --> 00:56:55,760
who have joined me
1100
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,239
who also see the potential in this horse.
1101
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,322
Come on, Janice.
1102
00:57:05,421 --> 00:57:08,493
I believe I've at least started the journey
1103
00:57:08,493 --> 00:57:11,076
of helping them flourish again.
1104
00:57:18,158 --> 00:57:20,081
Now how could you not be excited
1105
00:57:20,081 --> 00:57:22,039
about something that was created
1106
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:23,206
in this place?
1107
00:57:27,581 --> 00:57:29,039
We need to be proud of it
1108
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,471
and own it and embrace it
1109
00:57:30,471 --> 00:57:31,429
and make sure
1110
00:57:31,429 --> 00:57:33,929
it has a bright, shiny future.
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