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right

yeah that it is

okay so welcome

all to webinar five

I'm Manuel merchante I'm from Evra

Portugal uh and I'm here to be a

moderator for the experts and also to uh

to a presentation on one of the resumes

of webinars

um

so I'm 30 years old before it I can

introduce myself obviously because I

didn't do it yet I'm a non-formal

educator so I work with youngsters and

with youth in general to build them

confidence competences skills Etc and I

work in myself also to try and build

more competences to then give it to the

use and that's also why I'm here I'm

from same percent of Ventura 100

ADN it's the name of our organization

NGO use NGO from from evora and we work

on news and this was a proposition that

we wanted to work on it's LARP so it's a

different kind of

setting which got me interested in my

team to work on and to provide the use

maybe some more materials instruments

and tools for them to build competence

so before it I'm gonna share my screen

so you can know what's gonna happen this

is a very short I hope everyone can see

can see it

yes okay so today we're just I'm just

giving you feedback on your homework

actually I won't have any because we

didn't have any any inputs but I hope

you can share it on Facebook later or

the next days because it's very

important for us also maybe for you to

give to have some feedback on your work

and how it's going and we're going to

talk about the webinars and we have the

experts here to facilitate us so the

webinar first the first one

um what what's LARP and rprp so what is

this about and how to use it afterwards

I'm going to present you a little bit of

the resume of the non-formal learning

um and the some appointments about LARP

and why should we work on formal

learning in LARP the third webinar about

how to facilitate safety incompetences

and the last one about LARPing online

afterwards we're going to have a small

discussion about whatever you want and

the the for the last which I don't have

here uh we're gonna have some inputs on

your evaluation forms on the last

webinars where we can give you some

inputs about it okay

so I'm gonna stop sharing since I'm not

talking about homework

um and I'm gonna pass to the first

expert I mean wait first of all I don't

know if my English is very good I may be

talking too fast or too slow so please

if you have any doubts anytime just

write raise your hands or something and

we can communicate and also I would like

to know if you can turn on your

microphone first

everyone can we make some noise

[Music]

yeah as well okay I hope you're there I

wanted to do

um something funny before so this is

like avoida which is which is one of the

experts on

um LARPing he gave me a small

introduction introduction I'm gonna say

a small activity I would like to do it

with you because uh usually see everyone

dying here online and I know you have

your online EA an Energizer well I won't

say an Energizer itself but it's like a

way of participating so you can be wake

woke up and we can also see you which is

good for us also to communicate so this

activity is very simple

um I hope you can have your camera on if

you don't have your camera on it won't

work okay also your microphone if you

have your camera off it's okay it's

because you're not participating in this

activity okay so don't be worried we

won't call your name

um so the thing is I'm gonna carry a

Holy Grail in my hands okay and I'm

gonna transmit uh my feeling it's like

if I'm sad I'm gonna talk very sad if

I'm uh hilarious I'm gonna talk very

loud and we like so much nicely okay and

I'm gonna transmit these feelings

through my Holy Grail to someone

and I'm gonna say his name or her name

and you have to hold on to the Holy

Grail transmit your feeling like I did

and then transmit other feeling to other

to other people okay is it simple

okay I hope you understood

do we need to to like I'm very hungry

and I will pass this to someone yeah

it's something like that but you can

carry your Holy Grail you don't need to

do a kamehameh like the Dragon Ball or

you can it's okay it's okay

just participate how how you can so I'm

gonna say I feel I'm gonna use I'm gonna

use your your feeling Vita

I mean you did the experiment with me so

I'm gonna grab this Holy Grail and I'm

gonna Express sadness

so

since since I'm since I'm very sad I'm

I'm really sad

I wanna I wanna pass this uh Holy Grail

to Christian Okay Christian I'm sorry

here here is your Holy Grail here we go

thank you so much

now I'm really super interested for this

kind of webinar we have here and also

for the training which is coming up and

I passed this Holy Grail of super

interesting emotions to Andrea

thank you

actually I'm really really tired

I can't handle it anymore I will pass to

I can't see with

I don't know if he's there

no no you have to look at the cameras

but I

died because I have

I am I

okay just just say Elias okay to areas

I'm getting the ball the

ball

it's uh I can't wait feeling and I don't

know like I am super energetic and I'm

passing it to Gonzalo

okay

all right

I'm gonna pass the Holy Grail too

Francisco

with a lot of very positive energy

your Holy Grail and I feel really

interested and enthusiastic and uh I can

wait for Manuel to show us what he got

for today and with this positiveness I

also pass it to Daphne

I think we're playing the energy ball I

didn't hear the start

but hi I will pass it to

um oh no no camera oh Manuel

[Music]

oh again again with this oh okay so I

I'll grab it and pass it on to voita

it's the same feeling

thank you very much and gladly receiving

this Holy Grail I will count myself down

a little bit and I look at the Jana

sobotka

and I am going to pass in this very much

money energy and curing in me I pass you

the Australia

oh my God I love it it's perfect by the

way I feel I feel the anger how dare it

to give it to me no I don't want it

after you shall take it

thank you I don't know if you listen to

me but I am very lazy today so I don't

want to have any work with this Holy

Grail so I will pass it to

I think I will pass to Gonzalo again

okay is it everyone I think kosado had

it already yeah okay thank you guys for

this moment

[Music]

yeah I hope you got a little bit woken

up okay so we're gonna start to resume

or for some inputs about webinar one

uh and our expert can come into seeing

today

[Music]

yeah I assume this was calling to me

right Manuela

yeah hello everybody as a short reminder

my name is I come from the Inspire which

is the Czech organization focused on

non-formal education if you have been

part of the previous webinars then you

had already seen me you know that I am

doing a lot of things mostly with Lark

more than with RPGs

and this is a space for you and I was

delivering the first webinar we have

been busy with explaining what is the

plug

what is RPG

and this is a space for your questions

if you are still uh unclear about

something if you still would like to

know something if you have any questions

you can raise your hand you can turn on

your mic and ask the question or you can

also write your question into the chat

if you don't want to participate locally

so to you

okay I think I do have the question

so basically the webinars inspired me to

I've been wanting to uh planned and

start my own solidarity project

and so it was about supposed to be about

art but I do love LARP and basically

your webinars inspired me to turn this

into an RPG it kind of focused project

and so I just wanted to ask you how if

you have

any like input in that I don't know if

you have created a cell that project

but

uh this advice on someone who has not

facilitated anything before but I'm I'm

really you're I really want to do it so

yeah if you have any uh sort of advice

for a LARP

um cylinder project

solidarity project and helped me here

because Peterson's plus is having a lot

of different uh Frameworks uh solidarity

project is the one which is happening

locally right with the five pieces yes

yes it's the local one which is like two

to 12 months yeah uh I didn't write

personally solidarity project I have

been part of the training courses on

this I know people around me who

implemented similar things if you are

asking uh what ideas or advices I would

have well I would start with the team

you need to have five people in the team

right so even those that you personally

don't have experiences with RPG or lar

maybe around you there is somebody who

already have the expertise so that's

question to you do you have somebody

around you who can support you with this

yes most of the others are very

yeah by the way you can also ask there

is a big great community in our Facebook

group for the role for a change webinars

you can also ask on the Facebook group

body is interested because I think there

are some people that are also kind

experienced with Erasmus Plus and ESC

grants

so maybe you can find something there

yes I I mean I I was basically

um

uh I I was focusing on the Greek LARP

Community but most of them don't have an

experience with Erasmus projects some of

them do but yeah so I was also thinking

about going to rest and think like hi

can you help me

so yes I will I will do that thank you

yeah of course you can always send an

email

and we'll see what we can do

yes thank you welcome

if I were built upon a little bit uh

solidarity

solidarity projects are amazing platform

for implemented implementing RPGs or

Lark on the regular basis because they

are working real locally you need to

have team of people and inside of the

team of people there is always somebody

who is more focused on the management

who is more focused on delivering rugby

activities maybe somebody who is keeping

the budget is pretty much the same as we

are having in the role for a change and

different partners different people are

having different responsibilities

and you can be doing something uh really

on a weekly basis I know this from my

own life when I was actually very little

in the age of 12 13 in my hometown uh

there was this youth center and this

year Center was organizing playing DND

on weekly basis and they were actually

able to me to be meeting around six uh

youngsters every week and Building

Together really big Campaign which

lasted over one year

yeah uh did we answer the question

yes thank and I also would like to add I

mean that's more of a an evaluation

thing maybe but it it really helped like

even the first webinar which was about

the target group like this these were

things that I needed to answer anyway so

I was like okay yes I will I take that

uh advice on that plan and also think

about not just uh larps in general but

also this regard project and

and also you know I that's most mostly

like an experience but I've I've seen

that in role playing in Erasmus and test

in general like the activities sometimes

um at the end it's like it's a

reflection and the the

sorry I have uh ADHD okay so base oh my

God no it's it's

I think that we are losing your

connection the internet's got stuck

until she comes she comes back I want to

say that the Daphne's most probably also

taking part in the training course in

September

which is lovely that we're gonna have

you there

and like now I will take the opportunity

actually to promote this training course

Daphne is um one of the participants of

the webinars that uh so that we are

doing a training course about Lark RPG

and how to use it in non-formal

education

and yeah so there is this training

course that is going to happen very

close to Rome from the 5th to the 11th

of September

and we are still searching for

participants from the participating

countries of Greece Italy Czech Republic

Germany Portugal and North Macedonia so

in case you're interested for this uh

training course it's going to take in

total including the travel days seven

days

everything is funded food accommodation

transportation and you will have the

opportunity to do the things that we are

talking in theory right now to actually

do them in practice and work all

together on a concept on a lot of

concept on a training concept on how to

put these things

in practice and actually create and play

and test everything that you want to

test on love

so if you want more info you can find it

on our Facebook group all on the

Facebook pages of uh the organizations

it was the seamless promotion for the

trainings you can find more yes always

on the Facebook group everything that

you want is there also you can also send

an email thank you maybe you can also

throw the link to the chat now so people

can check it out straight away take a

good idea

uh since I don't see death not back I'm

going to build upon what she said uh

this thing with the Target Route is

extremely important

basically our role-playing games look

very different when we were 10 years old

when we were 15 years old when we were

20 years old and now when we are 30

years old

Etc our interests change our style of

playing has changed so also depending on

the age of people who you are going to

have inside of your group you need to

adjust to whatever you are doing there

um I am having one last thing to close

it but before I'm going to close it uh

let me ask again if there are some other

questions

and since I don't see any other

questions then I will once again connect

it to this uh solidarity projects uh

just like you can be organizing uh row

playing sessions based on every every

week you can be organizing group link

session with the same group

uh you can be also organizing larps on a

regular scale in Burnout which is the

city where I live there used to be a

group which was organizing approximately

one last per two weeks it was open

framework so a part of organizer anybody

who was or wasn't connected to Lark

could apply come to the spot and apply

and there is a big database of free to

use larps which you can be playing with

so I'm going to share this inside of the

chat and many of these larps are in

English

uh plenty of them is also in Polish and

in other languages

and once again it's free to use for

non-commercial purposes of course so if

you are not intending to earn money on

it you can take it and you can use it

and for now I'm going to pass the word

back to Manuel

yes I'm here thank you Vita if you have

any questions about uh what has happened

you can put it whenever you want if you

came up with some question it's okay

we're here to to discuss about it so I'm

not gonna make a presentation but I'm

going to talk a little about a little

bit about webinars 2 and was uh

presented about non-formal learning and

inputs on LARP okay so first of all and

if you heard the expert on the other day

it was Christian he made the difference

which is important for us firstly to

divide formal informal and non-formal

education so the formal one it's uh

exactly as it says it's we're sitting

down in University or in schools or an

institution it has very strict rules

it's facilitated by someone or a group

or individually and usually you have

um oh definitely is here wait wait

before coming Daphne do you have any

questions or do you want to proceed with

your with your intervention it's okay

okay we can't hear you I think the

microphone is not working hi

hi thank you so yes uh I wanted to ask

do we like sake of the characters before

or after the reflection

uh and also just say thank you for

because uh their flexion uh webinar uh

that we talked about this subject uh I

posted online and thank you for this

because it was an issue that I had on uh

during two projects this summer and

basically we jumped from like role

playing and reflection we jumped to the

competencies and I was like

they asked us how you know if we liked

it and how we felt and then we're like

so we are citizens of the world and I

was like wait wait how'd that happen so

yes I I just realized how important uh

good questions are so basically I wanted

to ask if we you know sake of the

characters before or after the

reflection and if you have like

like a great reflection question that

really really helps and yeah thank you

I am thinking this is a little bit

connecting us to the webinar number

three uh which is okay sorry just let me

see if I understand the question

properly you are asking if we what with

the characters uh yeah so I think he

used the same expression this is

basically the expression that I know

from like the if it changes it's like uh

we like forget like we're not logger

longer the characters we like seek the

characters off ah yes yes uh okay very

very important for the reflection so we

are having some experience inside of the

LARP or inside of the role playing

session we are emboding different

characters we are acting as someone else

very often our characters can be

[ __ ] or can be people Pleasers or

can be anything we don't really

associate it as a humans

and as we are emboding these characters

it is staying inside of us as

individuals so when we close the session

when we close the game it is important

to step out of this uh to shake it off a

little bit basically everywhere I have

been I experience at least a small break

in between the game and in between the

reflection and the group of my friends

yeah people from my group usually go for

a cigarette when it's a really intensive

session then the break can be even

really long it can be like a four hour

walk inside of the nature and only after

that people are getting together them as

individuals as persons and they are

firstly reflecting about whatever

emotions they experience within the game

then they are reflecting about what

actually happened inside of the game and

this is also an opportunity to see how

my character behaved and as me as I AI

as a person would behave in such a

situation so we can only see this

distinction and the third step is taking

the learning from it so this is what

happened this is how I see it as a as a

observant Observer

and what can I do in the future if I

will be in a similar situation or maybe

vice versa let's say that in reality I'm

very shy but inside of the game I'm

playing very extroverted person and the

question is okay how did I actually

manage to be so extroverting inside of

the game how can I bring this experience

with me to the real life I have such a

experience from the from my life inside

of one LARP I have been playing a poet

who was basically walking around

seducing everybody but as a person I'm

very introverted very shy and

immediately as the Lark went off I

closed myself inside and I was unable to

talk with people and this for me was a

very interesting experience to see okay

how come that inside of the work I have

been able to behave in that way and

later on I have been closed and how can

I shift it if I just like to shift it

foreign

input small one I think it was very

important I had like a a small game

where I in where I had the character and

also the use and the youngsters and it

was very important for us obviously a

break after finishing the game and when

we get to got together in the end we

were in a circle and we presented

ourselves physically and louder to say

I'm no longer Carl the Barbarian I'm

Manuel from ever Portugal okay and I

think this was a moment very important

so we don't because we we were and I

know I don't want to say joke around but

we were still inside uh somewhat of the

character and this is very important to

get out of character in front of all the

others and to express that yeah

yes uh thank you breakfast it was very

helpful and yeah thank you

okay so definitely you okay you have any

more questions I think Julia's replying

to you yes yes thank you okay uh you can

watch maybe the tape later if you have

any more questions you can do it okay

it's okay uh I'm going I was going to

talk about webinar 2 and about

non-formal education okay just a little

bit I don't know if you want to

intervene before do you

yes okay because we love participant

okay please continue

and I I just want to say the next round

for uh ECS ECS do you say it in English

you call it CES in Portugal

it's the the 5th of October

right yes I I so thank you yeah you have

you have to prepare it together now get

your team yes yeah I mean it's it takes

longer to prepare the objectives and

everything so it's a long text of

writing but I think you can do it if you

start right away yeah yes I think so

thank you

thank you so I was talking about I was

going to start talking about non-formal

education and I was separating the

formal from the informal in the

non-formal uh the part of the formal

where we go to schools universities and

we get a diploma or certificate in the

end like uh or a final degree or

something and I don't know if you

remember Christian talked about I know

if it was his grandfather but he talked

about fishing and this is one type of

informal learning where we have a

lifelong experience every day or we're

having coffee with our friends and we

were talking so this is not prepared

this is not

um this is not structured it's not

planned and Christian's grandfather it's

probably is is probably not

non-certificate certificate certificate

fisherman so it's not a non-formal

learning okay and this separates from

the non-formal learning where we as an

educator or educators we have to have a

structure it has to be planned and we

have to facilitate courses workshops and

seminars trainings ARP activities and

it's about the skills and the

capabilities and it involves always a

reflection in the end to

perceive the idea of the participants

and also the the the the the

facilitators what went wrong what went

good and usually this doesn't happen in

schools right we don't evaluate the the

teacher right away so

they they are in the different position

of strength and in the non-formal way we

use it a lot uh the part of the

experience it's very much validated

because it's where we got our skills

where we get our skills and your

capabilities

uh in in LARP I know if I'm talking too

fast if I am I'll stop okay I'll stop

now I'll slow down

uh so uh usually usually I'm gonna I'm

gonna speak about uh this team of LARP

uh actually in theory I don't usually I

haven't applied it yet in full I've done

some role-playing but never some uh LARP

activity in full uh but we can develop a

a very lack uh very uh black not lack a

very handful of skills and competences

okay which have to be defined priorly to

the activity

or else the objective of the game will

be very different than we wanted to

acknowledge so to build this game we

have to have some objectives and what do

we expect from the participants to learn

if to learn other things it's okay but

we have to have a main objective for it

so we can prepare the game the game

itself if it's about I don't know body

language or facial expressions or

contact with others or the introvert

extrovert that white was talking about

um about physical skills or about

competences for I know building clothes

or working on characters

um it's very important that we Define it

in in the principle so we can control

expectations okay this is also one of

the the the main things in in non-formal

education is that we have to work on

expectations or else the characters or

the players or the people who are going

to play are not going to be happy in the

end because they had or no expectation

or higher expectations or they expected

some something else so when we present

the game

or when we present the activity in the

non-formal learning we have to Define

and and Define exactly what are the

expectations that they are going to find

um in the activity itself so there are a

lot of examples for LARP we can work on

I don't know Halloween fairy tales on

something

that we all know or some of us don't

know like Lord of the Rings Harry Potter

I don't know like Wizards and it's very

important to define the role which we

are we are going to play

uh and experience so this is the second

part of non-formal so after the

expectation it's the experience itself

uh we have to have uh the part of the

experience I mean when we are in the

formal learning the teacher says it

tells us something and we are not we are

just imagining what he's saying and we

are writing or I don't know but when we

are in non-formal education we have to

pass through this experience like

working in groups or do the expression

itself so we can reflect in the end

about uh what we have done and this is

the the last part of the the and I think

I think personally the most important

part is the reflection where I can say I

didn't like this I like this I learned

this

um I I have to say because this this has

been a work in progress from the

European Union about the certification

of the competence that we gain so after

the after the the activity itself

usually the participants have a

reflection on their competences and

there there is a transmission of

certificate which we will also have I

think if the use pass in the in the

training

which you can use it or not in your

country actually most of the governments

I don't know if they are accepting also

some entities or Enterprises

um don't really appreciate it that much

some of the new ones really like it

because they transmit competences that

usually people don't have I mean you you

can come out of University with a high

note but you can you can be a very bad

worker right if you have no

relationships or competency skills with

with the others it can be very difficult

and so this non-formal learning will

help you to experience some of this

emotions

and work on your competences so the part

of the reflection is really really

interesting uh the part where you open

up you talk about what happened you talk

about what you learn and the others also

Express their their emotions their

learnings and you can aggregate or catch

them to be yours okay because this is

this is very important to talk about so

I'm not going to explore a lot about

non-formal education it's not actually

the the point of this um of all of this

webinar

um and I'm gonna pass I think to

Francesco is it

yes to webinar three what are you

talking about actually I'm the fourth

one but uh okay so before we're gonna go

there shall we also give birth to

Christian

I am Christian do you want to say

something no no not for that long was a

pretty good resume for interested people

I can put the presentation of the

webinar too again in the chat if you

missed this and want to have it

Epic

yeah webinar 3.

okay is your grandfather a fisherman

no he wasn't actually there was just an

example okay it was nice we also talked

about this example from webinar one

because white I mentioned I think that

role playing games some kind of Niche

but I used this picture of more a

bottleneck because it opens a lot of

range of activities which you can do and

it also works vice versa so if you're a

role-playing gamer you have to add some

things on the fun topic to get an

educational goal for the group or if

you're a social worker you can add with

this message methods a lot of different

things and I punched out some examples

but you find them in the presentation I

put in the chat yes exactly thank you

Christian if you have any questions

about this topic just uh

ask okay definitely do you want to

participate

I don't want to force you

um sure I I have never been I have never

been fishing I have never gone to fish

but it would be great to have a LARP

uh with fishing yes that was my input

thank you

laughs

see that's what happens when somebody

puts me in the spotlight

I am silly it was great it was great

thank you so much Stephanie to put the

energy to this group

so we can move on to webinar three Vita

is it you is it Francesco

the very free was me uh together with

Simone Simone I couldn't join us today

so I will be covering it for now the

winner free was about the topic how to

implement tabletop RPG how to implement

LARP and also what competencies might

come handy so let's practice a little

bit of the Improvement of the group

there is this possibility to raise a

hand inside of the reaction so I will

ask a very quick question now how many

of you have ever experienced tabletop

RPG

raise the hand if you did

okay there is some clipping some raised

hands

good so it seems like approximately half

of the group

how many of you

have ever been a gamer Master inside of

a tabletop RPG game master is this

person who is leading the story who is

facilitating the game for other people

again raise your hand

foreign

and finally how many of you have ever

experienced blood how many of you have

ever participated in a LARP

definitely you actually have been in

love okay

good

um so yeah this webinar number three

at the really huge range of things

inside of itself I wonder if you are

having any specific questions towards

this webinar at the moment

once again you can turn on your mic or

you can just write a question to the

chat

then if we have no questions uh then uh

let me rephrase it uh but are you still

missing in order to be ready to

implement tabletop RPG or alarm but are

you still missing in order to implement

it

practice yes Patricia is writing that

she is missing practice uh most probably

this is true that everything that is

needed is the first step is to give it a

shot and see what it's going to bring we

have been giving you assignments inside

of this webinars mostly it was about

identifying your target group studying

specific Lark or role-playing activity

and then actually implementing it

offline or online if you didn't give it

a shot yet there is a big invitation

from my side either you feel ready or

not just for your own fun do the first

step and try it just like an evening

activity with your friends because this

first experience is extremely important

in case that you don't feel like

implementing it for the others you can

also enter the role of the participants

there is a lot of communities connected

to tabletop RPGs and also to learn if

you will Google little bit or maybe use

Facebook I'm pretty sure you will find

something very soon which will open you

a door inside of this experience and

After experiencing it for one two three

four five times I'm pretty sure that you

will start to have this urge to actually

offer something similar to the people

around you

this is actually connecting us to the

topic of how to do these things online

so I'm going to pass the work to manual

opacity Francesco

do I have to so Francesco

so hello everybody I'm Francesco I let

the webinar number four that was about

um hosting and leading role-playing game

experience online and together with

Barbara League of hours we spoke a lot

about all various different platforms

that are available uh both three and

premium platform paid one that are kind

of tools for us to use uh in order to to

host the

um digital role-playing game experience

we also talked about uh the importance

of music for the atmosphere of the

pictures all the different kind of

layers that are needed to to host the

games the layer of the token the layer

of the map the GM layer the hit one and

all the different aspects a bit more

specific a bit more technical but to to

stay General it's uh yes it's it was

about the digital way to to use it

so if some of you I don't know if uh

some of you already join it I have any

question or maybe some external people

who wants to know more I'm free

a disposal

if nobody raised the question I would

gladly ask you a question uh I'd like to

know if any anybody of you have ever

joined a digital uh role-playing game

session both as a DM and as a player so

if you want you can raise your hand

just to

okay so more than a few

okay and

um do you think your experience was uh

was nice did you have fun in that kind

of experience uh it was a good positive

uh memory about it

the raising gun is yes

okay

okay thank you and uh last question uh

did you did you use uh rule 20

uh to uh in order to play

also this one raising the hand is yes

okay I'm asking you this because roll 20

is probably one of the most popular

platform online uh very very used uh

pretty much user friendly

so yes

thank you for your uh

answers and I

if there's no other question that would

be the we have a question

uh in the chat is uh what digital tools

can you suggest so you talked about one

I think yeah yeah uh surely roll 20 was

one of the most uh used and common uh

there are two uh ways to use it both

free where's version but also there is a

professional version the like a pro

version premium one

that unlocks uh tons of cool feature but

uh actually you can just use the the

free one it's okay

for the the gaming side but I suggest

you to cover with another software the

video chat calling

um because uh it's very uh it's a bit

more performative so I would suggest you

to use the zoom or Google meet or Skype

or whatever you want to to use even

Discord it's very well used for for the

video chat

and you can use both the game inside and

the video chat side in order to play a

pretty smooth

play

so can you upload the link of the

platform you're talking about the roll

20 was it yes I can do it can you put it

in the chat maybe people can see it

easily

this is for the game even though it

supports video chat calling but as I

told you it can be a bit unpredictable

sometime to rely on that for Road

planning so I would suggest to use this

chord for the audio

video audio chat

thank you Francesco

we have another question or appointment

there's also a box for this conservative

roles yes

that's true it's one of the reason why

Discord is very well used uh all across

the platforms online and in digital and

it's very well loved by the players in

particular he

uh during the pandemy a lot of people uh

went toward that direction the role

finder and the Discord things so their

server has been uh they have seen our

rapid growth so yes now it's pretty

reliable and that's pretty much cool

okay thank you any other questions

should we continue

so we have here I'm gonna share my

screen I hope

so we had here some uh inputs on the

evolution forms uh throughout this

webinars

um

who of the experts wants to comment the

first one so I would like to know more

about the educational part of the RPGs

maybe how to have online games in an

educational context and sorry how and

why to do it as well as some examples

okay uh I don't know if some of some of

my colleague wants to talk I would uh

say something really short uh practice

the ways to use RPG in LARPing on

education firstly uh

it can be really a good thing to know

what you're doing I mean both as a

educator and as a

game master as a facilitator can really

speed up some of the critical points

during our Brooklyn gain session so in

order to do that I would gladly suggest

you to do a bit of experience first

and that's really something easy that

you can reach uh thanks to your

smartphone there are tons of people out

there wants to host or join games

session uh so that would cleverly would

definitely help and to be careful about

the safety

in particular during the the using of

roping gaming education maybe you could

approach some some people can be

vulnerable in some way or fragile in

some way and the safety is the very

fundamentals about using this tool

because

well you use while you hold and host a

game you would probably let the people

encounter some some aspect on that of

themselves so it's really important for

you to take care of them in every way so

emotional safety psychology

aspects but also physical safeties if

you use a LARP so a physical

role-playing game so these two things I

I would recommend it to you

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tips about making a safe space uh well

the most important one is the

communication uh the during the session

zero the first meeting uh before even

start playing it's uh the occasion

normally that it's dedicated to decide

what kind of Chronicle we want to run

but also to decide what what kind of

characters to create and to portray so

during that meeting before the chronicle

before the campaign

uh it's also important to give the space

about safety like uh is there so is

there something that uh uh as a game

master as a facilitator am I supposed to

know uh

maybe something that uh some triggers

some emotional triggers some all the

different things that are really

important to know before the chronicle

uh before the campaign

so yes the most important tip is

communication and uh in particular at

the beginning prior the campaign but

also during the campaign like a feedback

after the first session the first two

session like asking oh how's it going

how do you feel to be participate to

participate in the motivity of the

players it's also a good way to to keep

the bridge

and that should be maintained throughout

the campaign I think

foreign

also how to apply them in your everyday

life uh well um as I as I told at the

beginning

um roping games can push you out of the

comfort zone and

um it's can be challenging in some time

but also uh there can be growth after

those experience and if some of you has

ever experienced what I'm talking about

he knows for sure because if you push

you out of the comfort zone you would

probably change in some way you can know

some different aspects of your character

of your behaving or

some something that maybe is uh deep

inside of you so how to apply them in

your daily life you will you you will

probably know

some notion but also something that uh

built your character some passive

changes so it's come you can use both

actively some Notions or something you

can learn during the campaign but also

passively because you will be probably

a more mature person a bit more

self-confident sometimes it was for me

it was uh something like that

um I think that role playing games uh

changed me in better uh in my opinion

and so

I think that pushing

out of the comfort is staying out of the

comfort zone can really build up your

being so you will apply in everyday life

even without knowing probably

now I don't know if uh avoid our some of

uh some of us want to add some things

or are you some of you asked some

questions of course

I'm having a lot of thoughts but let's

first check if somebody has some

questions to ask

I'm reading uh can RPG related workshops

be developed of course of course uh the

role-playing game uh the idea behind

this whole project is to use uh is to

use it as a tool so of course there can

be space for Workshop Laboratories

Chronicles activities and a whole bunch

of stuff can be portrayed in such a way

foreign

I was looking for it also

oh it's okay I know it's a direct

message yeah so it's uh it's not a

public some somebody wrote me

well if any of you is going to have

questions you can raise your hand throw

it to the chat and just straightly

interrupt me otherwise I'm going to

bring on the table some quotes I had

about those questions

well why to use RPG why to use LARP

there can be many reasons firstly as

Francesco already mentioned we work with

it as with the tool it's not our primary

goal to have the RPG session it's not

our Primal goal to have a lot of session

we only see it as a way of educating

people for other things but there is a

lot of power hidden in it one of the

power I see is the power of community uh

basically how I got into this because I

had some friends who were doing it I

experience it I started to bring more

people into it and those people starting

to bring other people into it and

suddenly there were groups who just

enjoyed uh playing RPGs around and who

kept doing it for years and years and

they started to evolve through it and it

wasn't meant to be an educational tour

for them but slowly it had back began an

educational tool if I will be talking

about the group of my cousin which is

playing for decades by now and they

tried many different systems

mostly check systems which are not known

internationally

um well they were playing for fun they

also experienced a lot of argues inside

of the game uh exactly because they have

not been distinguishing between who is

the role and who is the person as a

players they were doing some nasty

things to each other and then they were

angry at each other as humans but then

they learned that they need to

distinguish it

that somebody is behaving in one way as

a character and in another way as a

human so they realize okay after every

session let's have a feedback around and

after every session they talk about what

they liked what they didn't like how it

can be better next time and very

naturally they brought this personal

educational context into it and after a

recession they started to go to the pop

and in the pub while drinking beer they

were still talking about the experience

they just had and they also started to

push each other saying hey when you are

role playing you are constantly doing

this I'm challenging you to do something

different next time and through this

very friendly uh teasing each other they

started to build each other up

but it's very important for the safety

within the session especially for this

like long run sessions it is uh stating

uh one's boundaries and getting to know

each other so

for example

I know that with one player I never go

into the certain topic because this is a

personal trigger of the player I also

know that another player can get very

passionate and when the player gets

passionate he needs to scream for a

while and after he screams he comes down

and it's not because he wants to be

aggressive towards the others that's

just his way of handling the emotions

and because all the players already know

his behavior they are okay with it they

are just giving him space to do it

so keeping the place safe is about

co-creation it starts with an intention

that we are doing it for mutual benefits

either if it's to have fun or if it is

to learn something each other but mostly

it's to support each other to give a

space for self-expression and within

this all the individuals are having

their special things which are popping

up and part of the safe space is to

allow

is to allow that this is actually being

shown if people feel that they can

express themselves they start to go over

their natural boundaries boundaries they

start to put away the masks and they

start to be more themselves because they

feel that they can

and this acceptance of whatever what is

coming is very precious of course within

the limits I believe that we don't want

to allow that people are attacking each

other physically

we can make agreements that the swear

words doesn't belong to the session

again depending on the group

I can imagine a group where swear words

would be very dangerous and for

different groups where words are just a

very safe way of teasing each other

because the group is used to it

it is a little bit tricky to say that

there are some super general rules for

creating safe space because it's coming

with the people everybody is different

everybody has different needs and I

believe that is important with

recognizing who is the person on the

spot where the person needs and what are

the common agreement agreements we can

have inside of this group

oh I started to run a little bit

Francesco do you have something to add

or maybe somebody has questions

I think I have I wanted to add something

which is very I don't know superficial

maybe but I feel it's very important

when you were about to go to an alarm

experience also for the game master or

who's organizing it it's like the basic

needs I mean when we might be a

character but we have basic needs we we

need to feel uh that we can go to the

bathroom

I think we need to feel uh during the

LARP if it's a big extension gain I want

to eat right I want to have access to

comfortable things comfortable food I

mean it's part of the expectations

before when you prepare the participants

I think making a safe space

is also about questioning before the

participants what do you eat uh how do

you feel more comfortable because if we

are in a LARP experience through three

days I don't know if I want to sleep in

the woods or if I want to sleep

somewhere so I think that's um the basic

needs of the person itself not not

within the character I think it's very

important I don't know if you have

discussed this I hope you did I think

you did uh but yeah I think it's one of

the the tips I would say because mostly

I work with youngsters and they have uh

they have different emotions along five

ten minutes so I think it's very uh it's

very good to to control this kind of

emotions by giving them sometimes

exactly what they want

yeah within the locks especially the Big

Lots which are taking one day or two or

three days from what I experienced there

is mostly defined uh safe Zone where

part where people are coming when they

don't want to play and they need to step

out of their role where they need to do

something for themselves or whatever so

there is pre-designed place where people

can chill out be off and other players

know that they are not to disturb them

they need to wait for those people to

come back to the common area so the so

they can continue interacting with them

this of course is working only with the

big labs when we have I don't know 15

plus players or maybe 20 plus players if

we are having a very similar which can

be around six players and one of those

people's steps for a long time away then

it can really be hindering the game

foreign

yes so

is there any inputs or questions that we

want to discuss someone wants to say

something

or any of the experts want to add

something

that it might be missing or maybe you

should repeat again

from the other webinars that might be

important

actually

yes uh just a quick thing is a really

short reminder to consider the roping

game

world as a tool to use toward your aims

toward your purposes so it's fun of

course you can use it for just for uh

entertainment

just for itself but if you are an

educator you would probably use it

toward I don't know for theater dances

even singing things or music or

historical reenactments and you know

there are a lot of things that can be

done

and yes is clay in your hand and you can

use it to your directions so just just

this

foreign

I just remembered another example I

wanted to bring to the table this is

actually a story from the friend of mine

uh we used to study together in high

school he was all the time very much

into the history we play RPG together he

also experienced one or two larps and

he's a teacher now he is a history

teacher in the high school

recently he was sharing with me and the

event he did for his classmates

basically he divided people his pupils

into the small groups and each group

represented a farm and inside of the

farm they supposed to do some uh

planning based on the income yearly

income the farm is having what type of

Machinery they need to buy how they are

going to develop everything and grow and

the pupils spent around one hour or more

really preparing a plan getting ready to

present it in front of the group and as

the first group approached to the stage

starting to present what they planned

suddenly somehow burst the door open in

the uniform of communistic officer and

he started to shout that the farm is

being taken over by a state and the

collectivization is happening and

basically this is something what really

happened in Czechoslovakia in 1948 when

the Communists took over the governing

of the country collectivization happened

and all the private businessmen lost

whatever they had he used this little

game activity it's basically a lot of

activity for people to feel what it was

approximately like to live in the time

so this is just a small example of how

Lark and role playing can be used for

educational purposes

foreign

thank you I just well I wanted to say

something

um because last week we had we had a use

encounter Christine here and also

Gonzalo they will not let me lie I hope

um I think it might be also a tip for

implementing LARPing or role-playing

experiences is that

um this also goes to the expectations of

the participants I mean

they will probably not expecting to get

so immersed in a character so it's very

important not to just present a LARP or

a role-playing activity inside

a big use exchange I don't know maybe we

should prepare

um they were youngsters they were they

were part of the very not that young but

they were like between 16 and 20 22 23

so there are very different of Ages it

might be difficult for them for the 23

year old to understand the 16 year old

inside the game or the lack of

participation of someone

or you're not so immersed as I am so

this might affect maybe the the playing

itself or the reflection and so to

implement this kind of uh games in a use

exchange or in a big exchange where we

have other activities there are priority

prioritized maybe we should prepare them

uh for this or maybe do some superficial

activity of role-playing and all in only

afterwards work on the LARP uh more deep

um I know this was a great experience

that we had I think it was a big game it

was one day

um and they used some of them were

really immersive also in lunch break

some of them still went to into

character

which is very funny but it I mean it's

difficult for the Youth and I think we

should level up and talk about it before

to for everyone to understand that we

are not at the same level or of

participation and it might be weird for

a barbarian not to talk loud or not to

participate so much or not to use the ex

as they should because it's an

introverted person or is a youngster

that never entered this kind of emotions

um and so we have to we have to prepare

the the game the players and the use for

or the the participants for this kind of

experience I don't know if Christian or

Gonzalo want to say something about it

but uh I think it's a reflection I would

like to make this after the use exchange

to share it here

foreign

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where

ah sorry it was a direct message so you

cannot see it so I will read it out loud

uh when preparing RPG or LARP what

should be taken into account how many

people work for the preparation does it

depend on the participants uh somebody

wants to answer

can you please repeat it

yes I will also put it inside of the

group chat so it's ready to see

okay you should see it

so

um while uh working on a LARP uh of

course it all depends uh around two

factors the number of number of people

and location

uh normally when somebody creates a

larpa it doesn't create it by itself

just in theory he created uh just

building up what he already has

at the very least the location because

the location dictates what kind of uh

LARP You're Gonna Play in how many

participants you can host and what are

all the characteristics that can you use

in order to let the people have fun

so uh while you prepare a larpa I

suggest to to start with the location

and from that you build up a project of

how many participants uh are needed and

from those two information you can build

the rest so all the narrative aspects

all the people that are helping you uh

the PNC uh that will help you work

inside uh the LARP itself send of course

but if you create something small you

can uh

you can use just a chamber LARP for

example there are a lot of large that

can take place in a single chamber a

room uh if you have a house

you can host I don't know 10 20 30 40

people but if you uh are planning to

host something bigger bigger you're

gonna prepare a ton of work for example

conquest and dragon Fest are the one of

the two most things role-playing gaming

worlds that gather thousands of people

and I remember that in conquests for

example for 12 000 people four thousands

are just the NPC

4 000 people just the NPC I repeat it so

it really depends on what kind of log

you're gonna host

yeah when it comes to RPG session if you

are playing a campaign with somebody for

a long time mostly one person who is

preparing it for the group of other is

enough and the group all together will

have approximately seven people Max

having bigger group can be really

challenging when it comes to LARP uh

theoretically one person is able to

create the chamber alert for the others

practically I would always recommend to

have a team to have two people who are

cooperating and somebody who is checking

it upon you another person who is

supporting you with all the logistics

um I don't think I have ever met a

person who would be able to trade

single-handed like a lot uh my personal

experience from creation of the large is

that I managed to put together a lot for

40 people uh where I wasn't that much of

a depending on the space I just knew it

needs to be happening in outdoor or it

needs to be happening in the place which

have several rooms accessible but I also

at certain point run out of the

inspiration creativity Etc and I needed

to bring another person in to support me

with finalizing the ideas and then only

when we play test it we saw what the

mistakes they'll are is actually having

and how it needs to be adjusted

uh

what has to be taken in account

first of all

logistical aspects and biological

aspects I mean everything connected to

physical materials like costumes space

uh safety of players like do we need to

have weapons or not all these physical

material things need to be taken into

consideration

and then of course the players

themselves need to be taken in

consideration either if you have in my

specific people who are playing it or if

you don't have in mind specific people

then who are your ideal players for whom

you are creating the experience and if

this is if it is this second case uh you

should also identify possible triggers

what can be potentially psychologically

threatening to players Etc

and of course in a moment you start to

Deep dive deep into the preparation risk

analysis is always useful but risk

analysis is a case specific so yeah it

depends

yeah and I think uh just one more Point

besides the design and the ruling like a

master of the adventure or even some

observers to make sure that the group

feels safe so what one will point it out

it could be also useful if you're very

unexperienced a part of the group is

very unexperienced

um could be helpful that they get an

extra reflection before or a special

introduction so the game master designer

can really concentrate on setting the

scene for the adventure or the game or

even the the scene yes and someone else

is just talking to the unexperienced

what it doesn't mean to to play actually

a role how can he behave what is some

kind of allowed and whatnot so this for

very unexperienced youngsters or even to

to promote them in a special way if you

know the group and they're really shy

and when we were running this like 10

days project lab experience uh as the

youth exchange there was always this

like slide in

phase where people are getting ready for

the role play and there was this

stepping out face where people spent a

lot of time of leaving it behind

reflecting and after a long reflection

building upon whatever they experienced

uh and yeah bigger group longer time

also this slide in it needs to be longer

and stepping out needs to be bigger

thank you

okay thank you francescovita Christian

does anyone want to add something

questions from this last

appointment

I think we have the last five minutes

and I'll give the floor I think to Elias

he wants to say something right please

you ready

anything else content wise

I just have to say that uh

again I'm going to repeat myself

um we have the Facebook group that we're

using as a community of these webinars

and that's a large community all around

Europe

uh there you can put your questions your

answers uh you can create stuff all

together you can gather locally

nationally or internationally to do

stuff

uh again I am saying that we have this

training course in close to Rome in

September you can find more information

on the Facebook group but I also put it

in the chat in the beginning of this

webinar other than that

um tomorrow morning you will receive an

email about the evaluation of this

of this webinar it's very very helpful

for us to get to know what to do better

next time because there's going to be a

next time there's always something

happening in the future

um but I don't know I think that's it

from my side I don't have much to say am

I forgetting anything

okay

it's Portuguese and I was telling the

name in English awesome so hoi is asking

asking if for newcomers to LARP what

should they expect from this experience

this

expect everything

yeah I mean uh

uh expect to be uh to participate to

something uh

uh really fascinating it's difficult to

describe actually uh of course it

depends which kind of LARP you're

joining but uh most of the larpa are

pretty uh

engaging can be uh really fun and you

will probably meet a lot of people and

if you open enough to to to connect to

other people you would probably end up

with some

friends more with some good experience

more and yes that's pretty much

I wonder if we should ask the people who

raise their hand that they experience

the Lark uh what it brought to them when

they had been in lab

that's a good question

I think that's something I can answer

for myself like my experience

I made a lot of friends I became part of

a community American active Community

which helped with socializing

um

it helped me like like psychologically

in many ways like

um like I became very aware of myself

and like mindful of others

um and their limits uh also I I got like

not just a help a hobby LARPing but also

like sword fighting and archery and

making clothes like they're all those

things that come up when you start

LARPing that you get interested in uh

like many parts of it or like the

history like medieval and stuff like

that so it's

it created like uh it opened my horizons

literally like it created many doors for

me so

a lot of things

thank you definitely for sharing it's

very nice

thank you can I

I also asked did you know for the

training did you know if we can bring

LARP weapons on the plane

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maybe that's an interesting question but

uh yes

uh actually

um yeah I think it depends from uh

service to service I would suggest to

you okay

before uh bringing in an Albert to the

airport I would suggest to to have a

call and uh they will personal gonna

tell you because you can have sports

equipment

um

people used to bring a lot of strange

thing to the airport so I think it's

still much of a problem if you organize

a bit

foreign

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yes yes so I'll pass it down to you

yes before everybody close it uh I have

just uh one last word for the group uh

as a reminder this whole project can be

happening thanks to the funding of

Erasmus Plus and one part of Erasmus

Plus is education and spreading the

knowledge uh as we are responsible for

managing this process we are also

Gathering all information on how this

learning is being spread what does it

mean in case that you are implementing

anything with Labs or role playing if

you're gonna hold a session for your

friends if you're gonna participate in

something if you're going to create

something we will be very grateful if

you are going to share it with us you

can just write a post to the Facebook

group or you can send us email if you're

gonna put it there also extra picture we

will be really happy and as I said we

are gathering all of those things and we

are reporting it to the Erasmus Plus

that this is the impact the project is

having so anything you have throwing

throw it on us and if you are having any

questions you can still put them to the

Facebook group or you can put it to the

email and we will be happy to answer

yes thank you Victor that's it so really

is are you closing

that's all I have to say I'm I will let

you close it okay so for everyone thank

you so much for being here uh again if

you have any more questions just posted

on Facebook contact any organization

and I hope that you are participating in

September in Rome will be very fun and

very educational I hope for everyone

that we can meet your expectations and

thank you again to The Experts here

presence for the participation and

answering the questions into the

participants obviously and I think

that's it from ever Portugal I'll be

closing the session thank you so much

thank you thank you bye everybody

thank you very much goodbye

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