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- In the criminal
justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet
equally important groups:
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the police, who
investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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- Yo.
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Yo.
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Hey!
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Yo, what you running for?
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Hey!
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- Early bird runner
found him laying here.
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- Approximate time of death?
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- MLIs put it somewhere
- between 2:00 and 4:00 AM.
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- Witnesses?
- None so far.
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- Yeah, nobody
sees nothing, huh?
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- Eh.
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Blunt force trauma?
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- That'd be my guess.
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- ID?
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- Derek Stanton.
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- Still got his cash.
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Any indication that the
body was moved here?
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- The way the blood has
pooled and the spatter
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on the pavement, I think
it all happened right here.
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- My boy had quite
the rap sheet.
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Just got out of Fishkill
nine months ago.
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- What was he in for?
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- Selling marijuana.
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Served four years.
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- Four years for selling weed?
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- Crazy.
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- Times have changed.
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Surveillance footage from
the park near the crime scene
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shows a guy wailing on Stanton.
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But it doesn't capture
the whole thing.
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- Damn.
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Do we have any better
video than this?
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- It's the only video we got.
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There weren't many
cameras in the area.
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- I can't even make out his
face or even a skin color.
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- But it's clear that
the assailant and Stanton
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are about the same size,
so we're looking for a guy
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who's about 6 feet tall.
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- What else do we know?
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- Well, the ME
thinks that the perp
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might have been wearing a ring
with some kind of stone in it.
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- So did we run the
vic's body for DNA?
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- Yeah, they took samples,
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but the backlog's a
few weeks out minimum.
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- All right, well,
just keep digging in.
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You know, given
this guy's history,
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it could be related to drugs
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or maybe even his time
in Fishkill or both.
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- Hey, I found
something interesting
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on the vic's phone.
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Past week, Stanton made 28 calls
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to a man named Jordan Spall,
but he never answered.
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- So the vic's calling Spall,
Spall's not picking up.
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There's got to be a good reason.
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Did Spall ever serve time?
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- Sure did.
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Armed assault, sentenced
to five years at Fishkill.
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Got out a few months ago.
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- He's probably still on parole.
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- Jordan Spall hasn't
missed an appointment,
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hasn't failed a urine
test, hasn't re-offended,
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at least not yet.
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- You know, since we're here,
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would you mind seeing
what you could find out
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about our vic, Derek Stanton?
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He's a Fishkill alum.
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- According to Stanton's chart,
he was a model parolee, too.
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- Was he a model prisoner?
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- Looks like Stanton
was disciplined
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a few times for fighting.
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- 20 bucks says he was
scrapping with Spall.
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- As a matter of fact.
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- Where's Spall living now?
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- Is that him?
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- Looks like it.
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Jordan Spall, I'd like
to have a word with you.
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Jordan.
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Hey!
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- I've got this side.
- 27 Squad to Central.
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10-85.
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Black male, 30s, blue
jeans, green hoodie
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under a black jacket.
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In pursuit, Cherry
Street flea market.
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- NYPD.
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Police, police.
It's OK. It's OK.
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Watch yourself.
Watch yourself.
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Spall!
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- It's... it's
the shoes. Sorry.
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
- Watch out!
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- Oh, my God!
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Watch out!
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- Give me your
hands. Stay down.
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Stay down.
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- Usain Bolt.
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- I didn't have anything to
do with killing Derek Stanton.
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- So why'd you run
when you saw us then?
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- 'Cause I had weed on me.
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- Bro, having weed on
you this day and age?
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You're not gonna get
in trouble for that.
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But beating Derek
Stanton to death,
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that'll get your ass
locked back up in genpop.
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- What?
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I didn't even know
Derek was dead.
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- Oh, we'd like to
believe you, Jordan.
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We really would.
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Unfortunately, we're
homicide detectives,
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so we don't believe
anybody.
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So help us out.
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Where were you this morning
between 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM?
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- In my bed at the
halfway house, sleeping.
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You could check with the
tight-ass supervisor.
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Dude watches like a hawk.
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- Why was Stanton
calling you so much?
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- Don't know, don't care.
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I didn't like the dude,
so I ignored his calls.
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- Jordan, come on.
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Either we tell your PO how
cooperative you were, or...
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- Or we tell her something else.
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- All right.
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I heard Derek was reaching
out to a bunch of ex-cons,
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trying to put together
a crew, make some money.
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- Doing what?
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- Word is, they was
meeting at a pizza place
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near the projects
on Pitt Street.
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That's all I know.
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- Window was busted when
I got here this morning.
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- What time was that?
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6:00 AM.
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Derek was supposed to be here.
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I thought maybe
it was a robbery,
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but nothing's missing.
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- So you work here?
- Assistant manager.
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- Where were you
late last night?
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- In my room.
- Can anyone verify that?
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- I live in a group
home. You can check.
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There's lots of cameras.
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- Why was Derek here so early?
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- Gotten the lease
to this pizzeria,
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and he was working
around the clock
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to get it off the ground.
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Grand opening's tomorrow.
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Well, it was supposed
to be anyway.
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- How'd you know Derek?
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- Fishkill.
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- What were you in for?
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- Heroin.
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Picked the wrong time to
be an addict, you know?
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Nowadays, they bend over
backwards to get you help.
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Back then, we were
hardened criminals, man.
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- We heard Derek
had been meeting
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with a bunch of ex-cons. You
know anything about that?
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- Just trying to put together
a team to open more pizzerias.
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Wanted to help.
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Was going to give us a
piece of the action, too.
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- That's it?
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There was nothing else going on?
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- He was just trying to
help a bunch of ex-cons out.
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- Sounds like a good dude.
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- He was.
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- You know anybody who
didn't feel that way?
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Anybody who might
have wanted him dead?
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Last few months, he's
been all about making amends.
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Kept his nose real clean.
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Spent a lot of time
with his daughter, too.
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- Sonya, Lena,
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I am terribly sorry that
we have some very bad news.
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Your father and your ex-husband
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was found murdered.
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I can't believe that he's gone.
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I just got him back.
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He spent all those years
in prison over weed.
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He finally gets
out, and then this?
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- If you don't mind my asking,
why have you moved here?
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Does it have anything
to do with your father?
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Was he violent to
either one of you?
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- No.
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Never.
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- No, Derek wasn't
about any of that.
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He had his issues, sure, but...
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he never raised his voice or
his hands to either one of us.
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- So why are you here?
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Who are you afraid of?
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- My husband, William.
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He's got a temper.
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And when Derek got out of
prison, things just got worse.
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We just needed to get
away for a little while
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until things calmed down.
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- Did your husband and Derek,
they ever argue or fight?
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- Yes.
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The last time my father
came to the house,
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William chased him out.
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He said he was
going to kill him.
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- I don't care what
them girls said.
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They're crazy,
tripping over nothing.
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I ain't lay a hand on
either one of them.
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- What about Derek Stanton?
You ever lay a hand on him?
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- No, sir.
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Wanted to, but I never did.
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Punk-ass drug dealer
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thought he could just walk
back into everybody's life.
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- Lena's daughter said you
threatened to kill him.
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- I did.
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Meant it, too.
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But I didn't kill nobody.
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- Where were you last
night after midnight?
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- Midnight? I couldn't sleep.
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Got a lot on my mind.
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So I went for a walk.
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- You remember where?
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- Around.
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- How about we take a walk
around to the precinct
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and jog your memory?
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- Lawyer.
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- Do we have any evidence
that puts William Barnes
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and Derek Stanton together
on the morning of the murder?
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- I've dug through
every surveillance video
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from the neighborhood.
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Tracked Barnes on
his late night walk.
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He heads north on Avenue C
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in the general direction
of the pizzeria.
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He never crosses
paths with Stanton.
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- Do we have any video of him
actually near the pizzeria?
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- This is him two blocks east.
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It's the closest he gets,
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and then he crosses the
street away from the pizzeria.
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What's that?
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Top right hand corner.
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- Looks like a dude
throwing something.
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- What's he throwing,
like rocks or something?
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- There's another camera that
should cover that corner.
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- Dude's throwing rocks
right next to where
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Stanton got his window
broken that night.
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And now he's headed
straight for the pizzeria.
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- Can you pull up the video
of the actual assault?
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- Same body size, same
type of hoodie, sneakers.
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- And if I'm not mistaken,
that's a ring on his finger.
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Just like the M.E. said.
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- I think we might
have our killer.
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- Yup.
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Now we just got to find him.
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- Looks like he made
his way down the street,
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and for some dumb-ass reason,
just kept throwing rocks.
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- Yeah, Stanton must
have been in the pizzeria
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when the rock came
through the window,
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chased the kid down,
confronted him.
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- Excuse me.
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You work here nights?
- Yeah.
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- You think you might have
seen this young man around here
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a couple nights ago?
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- Sorry, doesn't look familiar.
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- Thanks.
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00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:07,871
- Yeah, I remember that kid.
259
00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:09,765
Came in the other night
just before we closed up.
260
00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:10,832
- What time was that?
261
00:13:10,874 --> 00:13:13,168
- Um, midnight.
- You sure it's him?
262
00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:15,670
- Yeah. Thought
he was handsome.
263
00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:17,172
- Did he buy anything?
264
00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:19,966
- No, he didn't have a card,
265
00:13:20,008 --> 00:13:22,385
but his friend did.
266
00:13:22,427 --> 00:13:24,471
- You have a record
of that transaction?
267
00:13:24,512 --> 00:13:27,265
- Yeah, I could
probably pull it up.
268
00:13:27,307 --> 00:13:30,852
- You can drink it now?
269
00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:33,813
- Kyle Brimmer.
270
00:13:33,855 --> 00:13:37,359
- Let's start with who you
were with at the dispensary.
271
00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,528
- Just to be clear, Kyle has
no knowledge of any crime.
272
00:13:40,570 --> 00:13:42,364
He was home in bed
in his parents' condo
273
00:13:42,405 --> 00:13:43,990
an hour before the homicide.
274
00:13:44,032 --> 00:13:46,242
- Yeah, we got that. We
saw the surveillance video.
275
00:13:46,284 --> 00:13:48,578
So right now, the only way
Kyle can get into trouble
276
00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:51,247
is by lying to us.
277
00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:54,042
So who were you with?
278
00:13:54,084 --> 00:13:55,418
- Jesse Erickson.
279
00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,379
- And how do you know Jesse?
280
00:13:57,420 --> 00:13:59,589
- We're in the same
class at Martindale.
281
00:13:59,631 --> 00:14:02,550
- Martindale? The prep school?
282
00:14:02,592 --> 00:14:03,736
- Why don't you walk us through
283
00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,470
what you and Jesse
did that night?
284
00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:07,889
- Well, I just got my weed
card, so we wanted to...
285
00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:09,808
- They're giving out
medical marijuana cards
286
00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:11,559
to prep school seniors now?
287
00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:14,396
- My client has an exemption
for an anxiety disorder.
288
00:14:14,437 --> 00:14:16,106
- Of course he does.
289
00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:18,066
So you and Jesse,
you go downtown
290
00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:20,568
to buy some cannabis, what,
around, like, what, 11 o'clock?
291
00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:23,363
- Yeah, Jesse
wanted to get high.
292
00:14:23,405 --> 00:14:25,448
And he kept bugging me to
take him to a dispensary.
293
00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:27,867
So we bought some dabs.
294
00:14:27,909 --> 00:14:30,745
- Concentrated hash oil.
295
00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:31,996
Then what?
296
00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:34,124
- We went to some diner,
had a couple of burgers,
297
00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:35,417
and then I left.
298
00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:37,168
I took an Uber at 1:08 AM.
299
00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:38,878
I have the receipt.
300
00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,716
- How about your boy, Jesse?
301
00:14:42,757 --> 00:14:46,011
- Well, he didn't want to leave.
302
00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:47,279
He said he wanted to walk around
303
00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:50,348
and explore the East Village.
304
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:55,270
I told him to come with
me, but he sort of ran off.
305
00:14:55,311 --> 00:14:58,815
- Ran off?
306
00:14:58,857 --> 00:15:00,775
- Yeah.
307
00:15:00,817 --> 00:15:03,319
It was really weird.
308
00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:08,700
- Jesse Erickson, 18 years old,
lives on the Upper East Side
309
00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:10,160
with his investment
banker father
310
00:15:10,201 --> 00:15:11,619
and his book editor mother.
311
00:15:11,661 --> 00:15:13,663
- He's a senior at Martindale.
312
00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:16,124
- Fancy.
- He's a star varsity athlete
313
00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:17,500
and in the top 10% of his class.
314
00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,461
- Any discipline problems?
315
00:15:19,502 --> 00:15:21,629
- No, he just won a
citizenship award.
316
00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:24,090
- Good kid, good family,
never been in any trouble.
317
00:15:24,132 --> 00:15:27,802
- And yet he brutally
beats an ex-con to death?
318
00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:29,137
I don't know. Why?
319
00:15:29,179 --> 00:15:30,972
- That is the million
dollar question.
320
00:15:33,058 --> 00:15:35,977
OK, I'll call for a warrant.
321
00:15:36,019 --> 00:15:37,812
- There's got to be
some kind of mistake.
322
00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,023
- Mr. Erickson, just tell
us if Jesse is here or not.
323
00:15:40,065 --> 00:15:41,900
- Jesse is a kind
and lovely boy.
324
00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:43,318
You can ask anyone.
325
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,111
- We need to speak
with Jesse now.
326
00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:47,489
- Well, you can't treat him
like he's some common criminal.
327
00:15:47,530 --> 00:15:48,883
- We're treating him
like he's a suspect
328
00:15:48,907 --> 00:15:50,950
in a murder investigation.
329
00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:54,162
- Sounds like he's down here.
330
00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:56,581
Young man, will you
stand up please?
331
00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:57,540
Stand up.
332
00:15:57,582 --> 00:15:58,726
Put your hands behind your back.
333
00:15:58,750 --> 00:15:59,852
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
- Jesse Erickson,
334
00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:01,516
we're placing you under
arrest for murder.
335
00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,022
- Hold on, hold on.
- Do what they say, son.
336
00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:04,690
And don't say a word, no
matter what they tell you
337
00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:07,008
or promise you.
- What happened to your hand?
338
00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:09,260
- So me and my buddy...
- Don't answer that.
339
00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:11,096
- Dad, help me!
340
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:12,472
- I will.
341
00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:13,807
Now, remember, don't say a word.
342
00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:15,308
- Let's go.
343
00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:21,690
- Calling docket ending in 9710,
344
00:16:21,731 --> 00:16:23,400
People versus Jesse Erickson,
345
00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:25,527
charged with murder
in the second degree.
346
00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:28,279
- I'll hear you on
bail, Ms. Maroun?
347
00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:33,118
- This was a brutal, unprovoked
attack on a defenseless man.
348
00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:34,703
The defendant threw a rock,
349
00:16:34,744 --> 00:16:37,497
smashing Derek Stanton's
pizza shop window.
350
00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:40,625
When confronted about
it, the defendant reacted
351
00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,044
by beating Derek
Stanton to death
352
00:16:43,086 --> 00:16:44,504
with his bare hands.
353
00:16:44,546 --> 00:16:47,841
He's facing life in prison,
has tremendous resources,
354
00:16:47,882 --> 00:16:50,927
and has every incentive
to flee the jurisdiction.
355
00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:52,846
The People submit
that no amount of bail
356
00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:54,431
will secure his
appearance at trial.
357
00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:55,974
We're seeking remand.
358
00:16:56,016 --> 00:16:57,475
- Mr. Thorpe.
359
00:16:57,517 --> 00:16:59,561
- Holding my client without bail
360
00:16:59,602 --> 00:17:01,438
is completely uncalled for.
361
00:17:01,479 --> 00:17:03,565
My client is a
high school student
362
00:17:03,606 --> 00:17:05,358
with no criminal history,
363
00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,318
which is more than I
can say for Mr. Stanton.
364
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,279
- Well, the People
have a strong case.
365
00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,364
The attack was
captured on video.
366
00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:13,908
- A portion of the
attack was captured.
367
00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,077
Mr. Erickson was in an
unfamiliar neighborhood
368
00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,204
when he came upon a criminal
369
00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:20,081
who confronted and
threatened him.
370
00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:22,459
He panicked and he fought back.
371
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:25,045
And we expect a full
exoneration at trial.
372
00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:27,839
I'd also point out that
Mr. Erickson is a valued member
373
00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:29,466
of his community.
374
00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:33,136
His parents are
here, his classmates,
375
00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:35,764
his teammates, his minister.
376
00:17:35,805 --> 00:17:39,934
- OK, I'm setting a
$2 million cash bail.
377
00:17:39,976 --> 00:17:42,103
- His parents will
post forthwith.
378
00:17:43,313 --> 00:17:45,273
- Next case please.
379
00:17:52,822 --> 00:17:54,542
- They're making my dad
out to be a monster.
380
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:56,826
- Well, it's just
a legal tactic, OK?
381
00:17:56,868 --> 00:17:59,537
It doesn't mean anything.
- It does to me.
382
00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,956
My dad was the victim.
They called him a criminal.
383
00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,459
- It's what lawyers do.
384
00:18:04,501 --> 00:18:06,628
- He was trying to
turn his life around,
385
00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:09,547
be a better person,
a better dad.
386
00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:12,467
- I know this must be hard.
387
00:18:12,509 --> 00:18:17,389
Losing a family member
is a pain like no other.
388
00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:21,893
It just never goes away.
389
00:18:26,398 --> 00:18:30,527
- His family can buy
his way out of this.
390
00:18:30,568 --> 00:18:34,030
Who's going to stand up
for my family, for my dad?
391
00:18:34,072 --> 00:18:36,658
- I will. I promise.
392
00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,035
I'm... I'm going to
do everything I can
393
00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:41,705
to honor his memory.
394
00:18:59,305 --> 00:19:01,474
- Nice. What's the occasion?
395
00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:07,439
- Oh, it's the anniversary
of my sister's death.
396
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,524
- Oh, I'm sorry.
397
00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:11,693
It's OK.
398
00:19:11,735 --> 00:19:13,403
Yeah, every... every year,
399
00:19:13,445 --> 00:19:15,864
my parents send me yellow roses.
400
00:19:15,905 --> 00:19:18,575
It was her favorite flower.
401
00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,201
- That's nice.
402
00:19:20,243 --> 00:19:22,162
- Yeah.
403
00:19:22,203 --> 00:19:24,956
So it definitely looks like
404
00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:27,292
Erickson is going to
claim self-defense.
405
00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,044
- It makes sense.
406
00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:32,297
Derek Stanton was poor.
He had a criminal record.
407
00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:35,091
They'll push the narrative that
he was obviously the aggressor.
408
00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,468
- It had to be, right?
409
00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:39,804
I mean, he's an
ex-con, sold marijuana.
410
00:19:39,846 --> 00:19:41,222
How evil.
411
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,766
And of course, he's Black, so...
412
00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,267
- Right, I get it.
413
00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:47,312
There are a lot of unanswered
questions here, though.
414
00:19:47,354 --> 00:19:51,316
High school kid, great
grades, great reputation,
415
00:19:51,358 --> 00:19:54,152
no history of violence,
crosses paths with a felon.
416
00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:56,821
- A felon? He's a victim.
417
00:19:56,863 --> 00:19:59,449
- No, I understand, Sam.
I'm just stating a fact.
418
00:19:59,491 --> 00:20:02,410
- Question is, can
we prove murder two?
419
00:20:02,452 --> 00:20:04,579
Show that it was
an intentional act,
420
00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:08,041
or was it something else, a
fistfight, mutual combatants?
421
00:20:08,083 --> 00:20:09,459
- Not sure just yet.
422
00:20:09,501 --> 00:20:12,170
We need to figure
out motive first
423
00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:15,590
or offer a plea to
a reduced charge.
424
00:20:15,632 --> 00:20:17,634
Man one?
- Plead him out?
425
00:20:17,676 --> 00:20:19,135
Just like that?
426
00:20:19,177 --> 00:20:20,553
- Well, unless more
evidence drops,
427
00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:22,347
this is going to be a
tough case to prove.
428
00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:25,308
- Why? Because the defendant
is a rich white kid?
429
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:26,851
- Excuse me?
430
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,954
- If a poor Black kid beat the
hell out of Stanton, then...
431
00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,481
- Then we'd still
need to prove motive.
432
00:20:31,523 --> 00:20:34,150
And that's not what happened.
A rich white kid did it.
433
00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,695
And right or wrong,
fair or unfair,
434
00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:38,321
that's the case we're trying.
435
00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:41,199
- I understand, but
Ms. Maroun has a point.
436
00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:42,867
Even though the
facts are confusing,
437
00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:45,662
we need to be aware
of the optics.
438
00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:46,830
- Fine.
439
00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,165
I'll press forward
with murder two.
440
00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:51,334
- Good. But get ready
for the defense.
441
00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:53,020
They're going to attack
the victim's character,
442
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,171
blame him for his own murder,
443
00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:57,632
so you'll need to
counteract that.
444
00:20:57,674 --> 00:21:01,469
Find some way to level
the playing field.
445
00:21:13,231 --> 00:21:15,209
- The people would like to
call character witnesses
446
00:21:15,233 --> 00:21:16,818
on behalf of Derek Stanton.
447
00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:17,986
- The victim?
448
00:21:18,028 --> 00:21:19,362
- Yes, to demonstrate
that he was
449
00:21:19,404 --> 00:21:22,323
a peaceful, hardworking
member of his community,
450
00:21:22,365 --> 00:21:23,616
far different from the way
451
00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,052
the defense is trying
to portray him.
452
00:21:25,076 --> 00:21:28,038
- Your Honor, Rule
4.11 allows a defendant
453
00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:29,873
to call character
witnesses, not the victim.
454
00:21:29,914 --> 00:21:31,833
- But there's
nothing in the rules
455
00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:33,376
that specifically precludes it.
456
00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:35,920
- Nice try, Mr. Price, but
I agree with Mr. Thorpe.
457
00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:37,106
If you want to change the rules,
458
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,884
take it up with the
state legislature.
459
00:21:40,925 --> 00:21:43,261
- Thank you, Your Honor.
460
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:45,597
Defense's witness
list is unbelievable.
461
00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,390
There's a federal judge?
462
00:21:47,432 --> 00:21:50,894
The CEO of a
Fortune 500 company,
463
00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:52,896
the head of a
charitable foundation?
464
00:21:52,937 --> 00:21:54,165
All nine of these
character witnesses
465
00:21:54,189 --> 00:21:56,316
are incredibly impressive.
466
00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:57,650
- That's what the wealthy do
467
00:21:57,692 --> 00:21:59,319
when their backs are
up against the wall.
468
00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:03,239
They band together,
protect their own.
469
00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:06,409
- Well, that may be true,
but the question remains.
470
00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:09,079
Why did Jesse Erickson,
who, by all accounts,
471
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,123
was a good kid, rich or not,
472
00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:14,793
suddenly decide to beat
a stranger to death?
473
00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,002
- I don't know.
474
00:22:16,044 --> 00:22:17,438
And legally, it
doesn't really matter.
475
00:22:17,462 --> 00:22:19,756
- Uh, no, I'm not so
sure about that, Sam.
476
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,925
If we don't know what
precipitated the fight...
477
00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:24,094
- It was an attack, not a fight.
478
00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:25,387
- You saw the video.
479
00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:27,263
- But we don't know
what happened before,
480
00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:28,682
and that's relevant.
481
00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,326
The jury's going to want
to know the full picture.
482
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:31,935
- I understand, and
we'll keep looking,
483
00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:36,314
but for now, since we can't
explain why Erickson did it,
484
00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:39,651
let's focus on the horror
of what he actually did.
485
00:22:42,696 --> 00:22:46,199
- Mr. Stanton had a
shattered occipital bone.
486
00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,118
That's the bone that's
in the back of the head
487
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,370
that connects to
the cervical spine.
488
00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:52,997
It essentially
protects the brain.
489
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,291
He also had several
other broken bones...
490
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:59,504
His nose, his eye
socket, his jaw.
491
00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,507
- Did you make a ruling
as to the cause of death?
492
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:05,468
- Cranial cerebral
trauma so severe
493
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:09,097
that the brain hemorrhaged
and flooded with blood.
494
00:23:11,683 --> 00:23:15,020
- Were there wounds on
Mr. Stanton's torso?
495
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,896
- He had three broken ribs.
496
00:23:16,938 --> 00:23:20,066
- Did you form an opinion as to
how he sustained those wounds?
497
00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:23,153
- Mr. Stanton had been
kicked four times.
498
00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:25,196
- I have nothing further.
499
00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:29,784
- We've all seen the video of
the fight and the crime scene
500
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:33,747
photos, but you don't know why
my client had an altercation
501
00:23:33,788 --> 00:23:35,206
with Mr. Stanton, do you?
502
00:23:35,248 --> 00:23:37,000
- No, I have no idea.
503
00:23:37,042 --> 00:23:39,794
- So you don't know if my
client was protecting himself.
504
00:23:39,836 --> 00:23:41,504
- I don't.
505
00:23:41,546 --> 00:23:43,965
- Thank you.
506
00:23:44,007 --> 00:23:46,676
- Were there any
scrapes or bruises
507
00:23:46,718 --> 00:23:50,096
on Mr. Stanton's fists, on
his palms, on his forearms?
508
00:23:50,138 --> 00:23:51,514
- No.
509
00:23:51,556 --> 00:23:53,683
- Any wounds which suggest
he was the aggressor?
510
00:23:53,725 --> 00:23:55,226
- Nothing like that.
511
00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:57,729
- And there was no indication
he had a weapon of any kind?
512
00:23:57,771 --> 00:23:59,189
- Correct.
513
00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:01,483
- And Mr. Stanton
was 2 inches shorter
514
00:24:01,524 --> 00:24:04,652
and 40 pounds lighter
than the defendant?
515
00:24:04,694 --> 00:24:05,987
- That's true.
516
00:24:06,029 --> 00:24:07,548
- And no drugs in
Mr. Stanton's system?
517
00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,908
- Toxicology was
negative for alcohol
518
00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:11,785
and controlled substances.
519
00:24:11,826 --> 00:24:13,912
- Nothing further.
520
00:24:21,002 --> 00:24:22,879
The M.E. did a good job,
521
00:24:22,921 --> 00:24:25,840
but I think we still
need a few more witnesses
522
00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,510
to help offset the
self-defense claim.
523
00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:30,720
- Like who?
- Not sure.
524
00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:32,639
Someone who can speak
to his state of mind
525
00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:35,892
prior to his death, someone who
can say he was in a good mood,
526
00:24:35,934 --> 00:24:38,978
he was focused on the
opening of his pizzeria.
527
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:40,480
- Well, I'll look into it.
528
00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:44,401
But if you ask me, I think
the M.E. pretty much destroyed
529
00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:46,861
their self-defense argument.
530
00:24:46,903 --> 00:24:48,673
- We still have no idea why
this kid killed Stanton.
531
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:51,616
Whole thing still
doesn't make any sense.
532
00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:55,245
- Defense just
changed their plea.
533
00:24:55,286 --> 00:24:57,580
- Their plea? To what?
534
00:24:57,622 --> 00:25:00,125
- Not guilty by reason
of mental defect.
535
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,710
- He's claiming insanity?
536
00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:03,753
- They're alleging
Jesse Erickson
537
00:25:03,795 --> 00:25:06,840
had a mental impairment when
he killed Derek Stanton.
538
00:25:06,881 --> 00:25:08,091
- What's the impairment?
539
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:10,593
- Cannabis intoxication.
540
00:25:10,635 --> 00:25:13,888
- They're using marijuana
as the basis for a...
541
00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:16,808
For an insanity defense?
542
00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:26,157
- I understand you'd
like to change your plea.
543
00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:28,528
- We plan to present
evidence that my client
544
00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,363
was in the throes of
a psychotic episode
545
00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:31,990
the night of
Mr. Stanton's death.
546
00:25:32,032 --> 00:25:35,160
My client went to a dispensary
earlier and bought cannabis.
547
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:36,554
- Yeah, something you've
gone out of your way
548
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,455
to denigrate
Mr. Stanton for doing.
549
00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:41,124
- We denigrated him for selling
it, for committing a felony.
550
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:42,625
- Regardless,
551
00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:45,378
if the defendant voluntarily
ingested an intoxicant,
552
00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:48,423
he can't turn around
now and claim insanity.
553
00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:49,942
- My client didn't
understand how potent
554
00:25:49,966 --> 00:25:51,551
this dose of cannabis was.
555
00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:53,553
No idea what it could do to him.
556
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:55,764
That means his consumption
wasn't voluntary.
557
00:25:55,805 --> 00:25:57,390
- I've never seen
a claim of insanity
558
00:25:57,432 --> 00:25:58,892
based on marijuana usage.
559
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:00,977
Do you have any science
to back that up?
560
00:26:01,019 --> 00:26:03,396
- Data from medical journals
detailing the frequency
561
00:26:03,438 --> 00:26:05,231
of cannabis-induced psychosis
562
00:26:05,273 --> 00:26:07,150
and a board-certified
psychiatrist
563
00:26:07,192 --> 00:26:08,985
who will testify
that my client was
564
00:26:09,027 --> 00:26:10,653
in the midst of such a psychosis
565
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:13,490
when he came
across Mr. Stanton.
566
00:26:13,531 --> 00:26:15,784
- Well, if that's your
case that you present,
567
00:26:15,825 --> 00:26:16,951
I'm OK with it.
568
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:19,245
I'll grant the
defendant's request.
569
00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:20,765
And the People can
call their own expert
570
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:24,793
to interview the defendant
and challenge the findings.
571
00:26:24,834 --> 00:26:26,878
- I've researched the
potency of the THC
572
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,130
he claims to have ingested,
and I met with the defendant
573
00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:32,634
for approximately two hours,
got a full medical history,
574
00:26:32,676 --> 00:26:34,886
and it's scientifically
possible that the cannabis
575
00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:37,263
caused him to experience
irrational thoughts
576
00:26:37,305 --> 00:26:39,349
and paranoid delusions.
577
00:26:39,391 --> 00:26:41,101
- Possible that pot can
578
00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:42,977
make someone kill
another human being?
579
00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:44,437
- It sounds farfetched.
580
00:26:44,479 --> 00:26:46,481
- But we're talking about pot.
581
00:26:46,523 --> 00:26:48,692
- This sure as hell isn't
the pot I grew up with.
582
00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:52,612
Back in the '90s, the THC level
in marijuana was below 2%.
583
00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:54,197
Now?
584
00:26:54,239 --> 00:26:58,451
Some dispensaries are selling
dabs that are 80% or 90% THC.
585
00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:01,538
Put that in a vape and smoke it?
586
00:27:01,579 --> 00:27:05,542
It can absolutely trigger
a psychotic episode.
587
00:27:05,583 --> 00:27:08,920
If I'm being honest, he
seemed like a good kid
588
00:27:08,962 --> 00:27:13,133
who smoked some really
strong marijuana
589
00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:16,177
and lost his damn mind.
590
00:27:19,889 --> 00:27:23,518
- So you want to concede that
he had an altered mental state
591
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,146
and reduce the charges?
- It makes sense to me.
592
00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:27,313
- Not to me.
593
00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:29,941
He literally beat
Stanton to death.
594
00:27:29,983 --> 00:27:33,820
Each punch required independent
thought and movement.
595
00:27:33,862 --> 00:27:36,823
High or not, his acts
were still intentional.
596
00:27:36,865 --> 00:27:39,075
- Intentional? Our own
doctor believes the defendant
597
00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:40,618
was in a psychotic state.
598
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,455
Not only that, he
ingested the pot legally.
599
00:27:43,496 --> 00:27:47,250
- The legal age is 21, not
18, and for good reason.
600
00:27:47,292 --> 00:27:50,503
The teenage brain is
more susceptible to THC.
601
00:27:50,545 --> 00:27:51,796
- Well, you're making my point.
602
00:27:51,838 --> 00:27:55,133
- No, Erickson knew
he was underage.
603
00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,552
That means he assumed the risk.
604
00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:59,846
- Technically, yes, I
suppose, but come on, Jack.
605
00:27:59,888 --> 00:28:02,015
No one on the jury
views marijuana
606
00:28:02,057 --> 00:28:03,850
as an illicit drug anymore.
607
00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:06,936
Man two is the
appropriate charge.
608
00:28:06,978 --> 00:28:09,356
- You saw those
autopsy photos, Nolan.
609
00:28:09,397 --> 00:28:11,399
He pummeled that man to death.
610
00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:13,401
We can't just give this
guy a slap on the wrist.
611
00:28:13,443 --> 00:28:14,503
- We're not
suggesting that we do.
612
00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:17,739
I'll recommend a
minimum of 10 years.
613
00:28:20,658 --> 00:28:24,371
- We're not pleading him out
to man two, not yet anyway.
614
00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:30,210
- OK.
615
00:28:30,251 --> 00:28:35,382
If that's what you want to do,
I think Sam should take over.
616
00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:36,633
I'll... I'll sit second chair.
617
00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:40,512
I'll support her as best I can.
618
00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:43,056
I don't see murder two here.
619
00:28:43,098 --> 00:28:44,349
I just don't.
620
00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:46,309
But you do.
621
00:28:52,941 --> 00:28:54,526
- Are you good with that?
622
00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:57,237
- Yes, absolutely.
623
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:09,600
- Tell the jurors what
happened the night
624
00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:12,502
of Mr. Stanton's death.
625
00:29:12,544 --> 00:29:15,588
- My friend, Kyle, he
has a cannabis card.
626
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,800
So it means he can
legally buy marijuana.
627
00:29:18,842 --> 00:29:21,219
So we went to a dispensary
down on the Lower East Side.
628
00:29:21,261 --> 00:29:23,096
- Did your friend buy marijuana?
629
00:29:23,138 --> 00:29:24,264
- Yes.
630
00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:26,099
- Did you partake?
631
00:29:26,141 --> 00:29:27,559
- Yes.
632
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,103
- And did you ever smoke or
eat pot before that night?
633
00:29:30,145 --> 00:29:31,521
- Yes.
634
00:29:31,563 --> 00:29:33,231
But it wasn't
anything like this.
635
00:29:33,273 --> 00:29:35,442
- Can you describe
your experience?
636
00:29:35,483 --> 00:29:37,318
- So I started seeing things
637
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,237
that, like, weren't
actually there.
638
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,032
And I just felt like
everybody was threatening me.
639
00:29:42,073 --> 00:29:44,117
- Is that why you
started throwing rocks?
640
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:45,535
- Yes.
641
00:29:45,577 --> 00:29:47,620
- Do you remember
meeting Mr. Stanton?
642
00:29:47,662 --> 00:29:50,331
- Yes, I threw a
rock at his store.
643
00:29:50,373 --> 00:29:52,334
It's a pizza place.
644
00:29:52,375 --> 00:29:54,294
And it shattered the glass.
645
00:29:54,336 --> 00:29:55,503
- What did Mr. Stanton do?
646
00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:58,089
- He came out,
trying to talk to me.
647
00:29:58,131 --> 00:30:02,135
But I walked away, and,
uh, he ran after me.
648
00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:03,595
- You felt threatened?
649
00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:05,013
- Objection, leading.
650
00:30:05,055 --> 00:30:06,806
- Sustained.
651
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,975
- Tell the jurors how you felt.
652
00:30:09,017 --> 00:30:10,560
- OK.
653
00:30:10,602 --> 00:30:13,688
I thought Mr. Stanton
was... Was going to kill me.
654
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:17,317
And now I know that
that's not true,
655
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:18,711
but at the time,
like, in the moment,
656
00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:22,030
it felt super real,
like very real.
657
00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:24,532
So I hit him.
658
00:30:29,204 --> 00:30:30,497
- Thank you.
659
00:30:30,538 --> 00:30:32,624
Nothing further.
660
00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:52,143
- You didn't just hit him.
661
00:30:52,185 --> 00:30:54,813
You beat him to death.
662
00:30:54,854 --> 00:30:57,565
- I feel awful, all right?
663
00:30:57,607 --> 00:30:59,609
I'm so sorry for
everything I've done.
664
00:30:59,651 --> 00:31:02,570
I'm so sorry for the pain
that I've caused my family
665
00:31:02,612 --> 00:31:04,280
and Mr. Stanton's family.
666
00:31:04,322 --> 00:31:06,116
- And up until this very moment,
667
00:31:06,157 --> 00:31:08,576
you've never expressed
a shred of remorse
668
00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:10,870
for what you've done.
669
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,873
- That's 'cause my lawyer
and my dad told me not to.
670
00:31:13,915 --> 00:31:17,460
- Oh, so you're blaming
this on your father and...
671
00:31:17,502 --> 00:31:18,920
- No. No.
- Lawyer?
672
00:31:18,962 --> 00:31:20,189
- See, that's not
what I'm saying.
673
00:31:20,213 --> 00:31:22,674
I'm saying I'm a...
I'm not a bad person.
674
00:31:22,716 --> 00:31:24,926
Not a bad person?
675
00:31:30,974 --> 00:31:32,976
- Yeah.
676
00:31:33,018 --> 00:31:35,562
Yeah, I wish I
could take it back.
677
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,522
I'd do anything to
have that night back.
678
00:31:37,564 --> 00:31:39,649
- But you can't.
679
00:31:39,691 --> 00:31:42,444
That's not how the world works.
680
00:31:42,485 --> 00:31:44,821
You did what you did.
681
00:31:44,863 --> 00:31:49,200
And now a good man, an innocent
man is dead and buried,
682
00:31:49,242 --> 00:31:51,578
and his family is grieving.
- Objection.
683
00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:55,081
- Sustained. Watch
it, Ms. Maroun.
684
00:32:05,675 --> 00:32:08,219
- And after you brutally
murdered Mr. Stanton,
685
00:32:08,261 --> 00:32:10,930
you went to great lengths to
cover your tracks, didn't you?
686
00:32:10,972 --> 00:32:12,241
- Look, I don't
know what you mean.
687
00:32:12,265 --> 00:32:14,225
- Yeah, you went to a
hospital to get treatment.
688
00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:16,436
You paid out of pocket so
it wouldn't be reflected
689
00:32:16,478 --> 00:32:17,771
in your insurance claim.
690
00:32:17,812 --> 00:32:18,914
- See, that was my
family's decision.
691
00:32:18,938 --> 00:32:21,024
- Yes, I know. It's
all their fault.
692
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:22,442
- Please.
693
00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:27,113
I'm so
sorry for what I did.
694
00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:29,657
I'm so sorry.
695
00:32:29,699 --> 00:32:33,203
I'm so sorry.
696
00:32:33,244 --> 00:32:35,914
I'm so sorry.
697
00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:44,714
- That's all I have
for this witness.
698
00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,313
Went too far, didn't I?
699
00:33:00,355 --> 00:33:02,023
- No, not necessarily.
700
00:33:02,065 --> 00:33:06,111
I think we still have a
few jurors in our corner.
701
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:16,370
- You're doing great.
702
00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:18,415
- Be honest.
703
00:33:18,456 --> 00:33:19,749
- I am.
704
00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:21,793
You are doing great.
705
00:33:21,835 --> 00:33:24,504
But the facts are the facts.
706
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:26,548
No matter how well
you present the case,
707
00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:28,591
the jury is going
to want to know why
708
00:33:28,633 --> 00:33:31,136
the defendant had such
a violent outburst
709
00:33:31,177 --> 00:33:33,596
and killed another human being.
710
00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:39,185
And, well, unless we can give
them an understandable motive,
711
00:33:39,227 --> 00:33:42,355
I don't see us getting a
conviction on murder two.
712
00:33:42,397 --> 00:33:44,441
- Last time I tell
you to be honest.
713
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:46,901
Does
that mean you agree?
714
00:33:46,943 --> 00:33:50,321
- That we need to offer
up additional information
715
00:33:50,363 --> 00:33:52,907
or find some sort of reason
for Erickson's violence?
716
00:33:52,949 --> 00:33:54,576
Yes, absolutely.
717
00:33:54,617 --> 00:33:56,661
And I've been looking
for one, but...
718
00:33:56,703 --> 00:34:00,331
- You know, it occurred to me
when Erickson was on the stand
719
00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:04,252
that neither he nor his lawyer
have talked about college.
720
00:34:04,294 --> 00:34:06,338
- What do you mean?
- He's a high school senior.
721
00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:08,506
He's a great student,
talented athlete
722
00:34:08,548 --> 00:34:11,926
from a wealthy, educated family.
723
00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:14,846
For a kid like Jesse
Erickson not to be on his way
724
00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:18,141
to some sort of elite college,
it doesn't make sense.
725
00:34:18,183 --> 00:34:20,393
Has to be a reason.
726
00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:27,192
- He was accepted
early at Brown,
727
00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:29,110
but decided to take a gap year.
728
00:34:29,152 --> 00:34:30,653
- To do what?
729
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:32,447
- He's enlisted in a
youth volunteer group
730
00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:34,115
to build a school in Kenya.
731
00:34:34,157 --> 00:34:35,367
Kenya?
732
00:34:35,408 --> 00:34:38,453
- That's the plan...
Or it was the plan.
733
00:34:38,495 --> 00:34:41,289
- So he's never been in trouble?
734
00:34:41,331 --> 00:34:43,124
Suspended, discipline?
735
00:34:43,166 --> 00:34:44,834
- Not to my knowledge.
736
00:34:44,876 --> 00:34:47,045
- Ever shown signs of violence?
737
00:34:47,087 --> 00:34:49,714
- Not that I'm aware of.
738
00:34:49,756 --> 00:34:52,342
- Has he ever expressed
racist thoughts
739
00:34:52,384 --> 00:34:55,011
and shown bias against
people of color?
740
00:34:55,053 --> 00:34:56,513
- No.
741
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:59,265
I'm telling you,
he's a good kid.
742
00:34:59,307 --> 00:35:01,142
I've been his advisor
since freshman year.
743
00:35:01,184 --> 00:35:03,687
- So he's perfect? That's
what you're saying?
744
00:35:03,728 --> 00:35:06,606
He just runs around,
getting straight As,
745
00:35:06,648 --> 00:35:09,401
playing football, winning
citizenship awards,
746
00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:13,071
and then one night, out of the
blue, he beats a man to death?
747
00:35:13,113 --> 00:35:15,115
- It was the cannabis.
748
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:19,035
That's the only thing
that makes sense.
749
00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:22,372
I don't understand
all your anger.
750
00:35:22,414 --> 00:35:26,751
Why are you hell bent
on ruining Jesse's life?
751
00:35:34,551 --> 00:35:36,261
- You should have
heard this guy.
752
00:35:36,302 --> 00:35:39,931
He... he made Erickson
out to be a saint.
753
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:42,892
He turned it around, started
pointing fingers at me
754
00:35:42,934 --> 00:35:45,061
like I have some
personal vendetta
755
00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:47,272
against Erickson.
756
00:35:54,612 --> 00:35:57,282
What? What are you...
757
00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:01,911
- OK.
758
00:36:01,953 --> 00:36:05,123
I have wondered the same thing.
759
00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,836
From the second we
charged this kid,
760
00:36:09,878 --> 00:36:12,839
you've been convinced
that he's a monster
761
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:14,090
in spite of the evidence.
762
00:36:14,132 --> 00:36:15,759
- The evidence?
763
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,845
He bludgeoned a man to
death with his fists.
764
00:36:18,887 --> 00:36:20,597
I mean, those were the most
765
00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:23,016
horrific crime scene
photos I have ever seen.
766
00:36:23,058 --> 00:36:27,812
- I agree, which is why we
brought the murder two charge.
767
00:36:27,854 --> 00:36:30,607
But...
768
00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:33,902
the evidence no longer
backs our original theory,
769
00:36:33,943 --> 00:36:36,780
and we're losing the jury.
770
00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:38,990
Manslaughter is
still a serious charge.
771
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:41,493
Like I said before, we
can recommend 10 years.
772
00:36:41,534 --> 00:36:45,497
- That's not enough,
not for what he did.
773
00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:54,130
- I'm not a psychiatrist, but...
774
00:36:54,172 --> 00:36:56,007
is there a chance
this has something
775
00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:58,009
to do with your sister?
776
00:36:59,636 --> 00:37:01,805
- You know, OK, I'm...
I'm sorry to even...
777
00:37:01,846 --> 00:37:04,641
- You... you think I'm trying
to blame Jesse Erickson
778
00:37:04,683 --> 00:37:06,559
for what happened to my sister?
779
00:37:06,601 --> 00:37:10,021
- No, not consciously, but
there is a resemblance,
780
00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:12,982
on paper anyway,
between him and...
781
00:37:13,024 --> 00:37:15,944
And the young man who...
782
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:23,785
OK, I'm wrong.
783
00:37:23,827 --> 00:37:26,705
I'm sorry for even
bringing it up.
784
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:34,879
I'm just trying to help, Sam.
785
00:37:37,757 --> 00:37:40,260
- I know.
786
00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:58,028
- Breakfast on a work day?
787
00:37:58,069 --> 00:38:00,488
- Oh.
788
00:38:00,530 --> 00:38:02,449
It's been a while.
789
00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:05,493
Just thought I'd
come by, say hello.
790
00:38:05,535 --> 00:38:07,704
- I'm thrilled.
791
00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:10,540
And thanks for bringing
the fresh croissants.
792
00:38:24,054 --> 00:38:28,892
- I thought it'd get easier.
793
00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:31,353
- It doesn't.
794
00:38:31,394 --> 00:38:34,939
It's an ache that
will never go away.
795
00:38:34,981 --> 00:38:38,693
But I tell myself that
the pain is a good thing.
796
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:41,863
Lets me know that
I'm still alive,
797
00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:44,657
that I'm still
capable of feeling.
798
00:38:54,292 --> 00:38:56,961
- It doesn't help that
799
00:38:57,003 --> 00:39:01,633
the police never arrested
the son of a bitch.
800
00:39:01,675 --> 00:39:04,803
Just knowing that smug
bastard is still out there
801
00:39:04,844 --> 00:39:09,099
walking around free as a bird...
802
00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:12,268
If I think about it too
much, I'm going to go crazy.
803
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:15,397
- So don't.
804
00:39:15,438 --> 00:39:17,565
- Don't what?
805
00:39:17,607 --> 00:39:20,026
Think about it.
806
00:39:20,068 --> 00:39:22,612
Focus instead on Christina,
807
00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:27,367
her smile, her
laughter, her kindness.
808
00:39:27,409 --> 00:39:32,455
Just forget about
all this stuff...
809
00:39:32,497 --> 00:39:37,544
The hatred, the frustration.
810
00:39:37,585 --> 00:39:39,295
- I don't think it's possible.
811
00:39:39,337 --> 00:39:41,131
- It is.
812
00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,842
I promise.
813
00:39:50,223 --> 00:39:53,476
I'm so glad you came by.
814
00:39:55,395 --> 00:39:58,314
- It's been too long, hm?
815
00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:14,039
- What's going on?
816
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,458
- I pled him out to man two.
817
00:40:16,499 --> 00:40:20,170
- Really? Man two.
818
00:40:20,211 --> 00:40:22,213
- You were right.
819
00:40:22,255 --> 00:40:23,840
Without a credible motive,
820
00:40:23,882 --> 00:40:26,843
the jury wasn't going to
convict Erickson of murder,
821
00:40:26,885 --> 00:40:30,680
but he's still going
to do a lot of time.
822
00:40:30,722 --> 00:40:33,641
If this law thing
doesn't work out,
823
00:40:33,683 --> 00:40:36,895
you should think about
becoming a psychiatrist.
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