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- In the criminal
justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet
equally important groups:
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the police, who
investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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[distant sirens wailing]
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[glass shattering]
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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- Yo.
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Yo.
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♪ ♪
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Hey!
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[dramatic music]
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Yo, what you running for?
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Hey!
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- Early bird runner
found him laying here.
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- Approximate time of death?
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- MLIs put it somewhere
between 2:00 and 4:00 AM.
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- Witnesses?
- None so far.
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- Yeah, nobody
sees nothing, huh?
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- Eh.
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- [grunts] Blunt force trauma?
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- That'd be my guess.
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- ID?
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- Derek Stanton.
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- Still got his cash.
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Any indication that the
body was moved here?
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- The way the blood has
pooled and the spatter
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on the pavement, I think
it all happened right here.
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- My boy had quite
the rap sheet.
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Just got out of Fishkill
nine months ago.
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- What was he in for?
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- Selling marijuana.
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Served four years.
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- Four years for selling weed?
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- Crazy.
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- Times have changed.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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Surveillance footage from
the park near the crime scene
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shows a guy wailing on Stanton.
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But it doesn't capture
the whole thing.
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- Damn.
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Do we have any better
video than this?
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- It's the only video we got.
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There weren't many
cameras in the area.
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- I can't even make out his
face or even a skin color.
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- But it's clear that
the assailant and Stanton
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are about the same size,
so we're looking for a guy
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who's about 6 feet tall.
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- What else do we know?
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- Well, the ME
thinks that the perp
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might have been wearing a ring
with some kind of stone in it.
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- So did we run the
vic's body for DNA?
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- Yeah, they took samples,
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but the backlog's a
few weeks out minimum.
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- All right, well,
just keep digging in.
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You know, given
this guy's history,
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it could be related to drugs
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or maybe even his time
in Fishkill or both.
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- Hey, I found
something interesting
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on the vic's phone.
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Past week, Stanton made 28 calls
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to a man named Jordan Spall,
but he never answered.
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- So the vic's calling Spall,
Spall's not picking up.
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There's got to be a good reason.
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Did Spall ever serve time?
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[keyboard clacking]
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- Sure did.
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Armed assault, sentenced
to five years at Fishkill.
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Got out a few months ago.
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- He's probably still on parole.
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- Jordan Spall hasn't
missed an appointment,
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hasn't failed a urine
test, hasn't re-offended,
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at least not yet.
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- You know, since we're here,
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would you mind seeing
what you could find out
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about our vic, Derek Stanton?
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He's a Fishkill alum.
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- According to Stanton's chart,
he was a model parolee, too.
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- Was he a model prisoner?
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- Looks like Stanton
was disciplined
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a few times for fighting.
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- 20 bucks says he was
scrapping with Spall.
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[keyboard clacking]
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- As a matter of fact.
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- Where's Spall living now?
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[dramatic music]
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[distant sirens wailing]
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- Is that him?
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- Looks like it.
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Jordan Spall, I'd like
to have a word with you.
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Jordan.
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[grunts]
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♪ ♪
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- [grunts]
- [yelps, groans]
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- [grunts] Hey!
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- I've got this side.
- 27 Squad to Central.
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10-85.
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Black male, 30s, blue
jeans, green hoodie
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under a black jacket.
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In pursuit, Cherry
Street flea market.
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- NYPD.
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Police, police.
It's OK. It's OK.
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Watch yourself.
Watch yourself.
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Spall!
- [screams]
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- It's... it's
the shoes. Sorry.
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[crib rattles]
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- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
- Watch out!
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- Oh, my God!
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- Watch out!
- [grunts]
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[crowd chattering]
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- Give me your
hands. Stay down.
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Stay down.
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.
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- Usain Bolt.
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- I didn't have anything to
do with killing Derek Stanton.
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- So why'd you run
when you saw us then?
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- 'Cause I had weed on me.
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- Bro, having weed on
you this day and age?
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You're not gonna get
in trouble for that.
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But beating Derek
Stanton to death,
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that'll get your ass
locked back up in genpop.
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- What?
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I didn't even know
Derek was dead.
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- Oh, we'd like to
believe you, Jordan.
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We really would.
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Unfortunately, we're
homicide detectives,
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so we don't believe
anybody. [chuckles]
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So help us out.
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Where were you this morning
between 2:00 AM and 4:00 AM?
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- In my bed at the
halfway house, sleeping.
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You could check with the
tight-ass supervisor.
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Dude watches like a hawk.
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- Why was Stanton
calling you so much?
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- Don't know, don't care.
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I didn't like the dude,
so I ignored his calls.
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- Jordan, come on.
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Either we tell your PO how
cooperative you were, or...
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- Or we tell her something else.
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- All right.
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I heard Derek was reaching
out to a bunch of ex-cons,
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trying to put together
a crew, make some money.
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- Doing what?
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- Word is, they was
meeting at a pizza place
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near the projects
on Pitt Street.
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That's all I know.
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♪ ♪
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- Window was busted when
I got here this morning.
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- What time was that?
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- 6:00 AM.
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Derek was supposed to be here.
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I thought maybe
it was a robbery,
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but nothing's missing.
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- So you work here?
- Assistant manager.
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- Where were you
late last night?
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- In my room.
- Can anyone verify that?
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- I live in a group
home. You can check.
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There's lots of cameras.
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- Why was Derek here so early?
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- Gotten the lease
to this pizzeria,
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and he was working
around the clock
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to get it off the ground.
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Grand opening's tomorrow.
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Well, it was supposed
to be anyway.
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- How'd you know Derek?
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- Fishkill.
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- What were you in for?
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- Heroin.
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Picked the wrong time to
be an addict, you know?
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Nowadays, they bend over
backwards to get you help.
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Back then, we were
hardened criminals, man.
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- We heard Derek
had been meeting
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with a bunch of ex-cons. You
know anything about that?
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- Just trying to put together
a team to open more pizzerias.
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Wanted to help.
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Was going to give us a
piece of the action, too.
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- That's it?
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There was nothing else going on?
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- He was just trying to
help a bunch of ex-cons out.
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- Sounds like a good dude.
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- He was.
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- You know anybody who
didn't feel that way?
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Anybody who might
have wanted him dead?
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- [sighs] Last few months, he's
been all about making amends.
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Kept his nose real clean.
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Spent a lot of time
with his daughter, too.
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- Sonya, Lena,
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I am terribly sorry that
we have some very bad news.
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Your father and your ex-husband
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was found murdered.
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♪ ♪
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- [exhales]
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I can't believe that he's gone.
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I just got him back.
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He spent all those years
in prison over weed.
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He finally gets
out, and then this?
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- If you don't mind my asking,
why have you moved here?
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Does it have anything
to do with your father?
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Was he violent to
either one of you?
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- No.
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Never.
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- No, Derek wasn't
about any of that.
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He had his issues, sure, but...
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he never raised his voice or
his hands to either one of us.
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- So why are you here?
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Who are you afraid of?
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- My husband, William.
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He's got a temper.
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And when Derek got out of
prison, things just got worse.
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We just needed to get
away for a little while
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until things calmed down.
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- Did your husband and Derek,
they ever argue or fight?
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- Yes.
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The last time my father
came to the house,
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William chased him out.
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He said he was
going to kill him.
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♪ ♪
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- I don't care what
them girls said.
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They're crazy,
tripping over nothing.
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I ain't lay a hand on
either one of them.
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- What about Derek Stanton?
You ever lay a hand on him?
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- No, sir.
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Wanted to, but I never did.
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Punk-ass drug dealer
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thought he could just walk
back into everybody's life.
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- Lena's daughter said you
threatened to kill him.
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- I did.
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Meant it, too.
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But I didn't kill nobody.
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- Where were you last
night after midnight?
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- Midnight? I couldn't sleep.
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Got a lot on my mind.
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So I went for a walk.
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- You remember where?
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- Around.
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- How about we take a walk
around to the precinct
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and jog your memory?
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- Lawyer.
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- Do we have any evidence
that puts William Barnes
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and Derek Stanton together
on the morning of the murder?
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- I've dug through
every surveillance video
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from the neighborhood.
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Tracked Barnes on
his late night walk.
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He heads north on Avenue C
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in the general direction
of the pizzeria.
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He never crosses
paths with Stanton.
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- Do we have any video of him
actually near the pizzeria?
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- This is him two blocks east.
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It's the closest he gets,
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and then he crosses the
street away from the pizzeria.
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- [snaps fingers] What's that?
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Top right hand corner.
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- Looks like a dude
throwing something.
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- What's he throwing,
like rocks or something?
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- There's another camera that
should cover that corner.
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- Dude's throwing rocks
right next to where
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Stanton got his window
broken that night.
261
00:12:05,475 --> 00:12:07,519
And now he's headed
straight for the pizzeria.
262
00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:12,399
- Can you pull up the video
of the actual assault?
263
00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,362
- Same body size, same
type of hoodie, sneakers.
264
00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:21,199
- And if I'm not mistaken,
that's a ring on his finger.
265
00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:22,784
Just like the M.E. said.
266
00:12:22,826 --> 00:12:25,662
- I think we might
have our killer.
267
00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:27,706
- Yup.
268
00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:30,250
Now we just got to find him.
269
00:12:37,465 --> 00:12:37,674
.
270
00:12:37,716 --> 00:12:39,476
- Looks like he made
his way down the street,
271
00:12:40,343 --> 00:12:43,096
and for some dumb-ass reason,
just kept throwing rocks.
272
00:12:43,138 --> 00:12:44,615
- Yeah, Stanton must
have been in the pizzeria
273
00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,683
when the rock came
through the window,
274
00:12:46,725 --> 00:12:50,311
chased the kid down,
confronted him.
275
00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:52,188
[indistinct chatter]
276
00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:54,399
- Excuse me.
277
00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:56,526
You work here nights?
- Yeah.
278
00:12:56,568 --> 00:12:58,129
- You think you might have
seen this young man around here
279
00:12:58,153 --> 00:12:59,946
a couple nights ago?
280
00:12:59,988 --> 00:13:01,781
- Sorry, doesn't look familiar.
281
00:13:01,823 --> 00:13:03,116
- Thanks.
282
00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:07,871
- Yeah, I remember that kid.
283
00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:09,765
Came in the other night
just before we closed up.
284
00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:10,832
- What time was that?
285
00:13:10,874 --> 00:13:13,168
- Um, midnight.
- You sure it's him?
286
00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:15,670
- Yeah. Thought
he was handsome.
287
00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:17,172
- Did he buy anything?
288
00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:19,966
- No, he didn't have a card,
289
00:13:20,008 --> 00:13:22,385
but his friend did.
290
00:13:22,427 --> 00:13:24,471
- You have a record
of that transaction?
291
00:13:24,512 --> 00:13:27,265
- Yeah, I could
probably pull it up.
292
00:13:27,307 --> 00:13:30,852
- You can drink it now?
293
00:13:30,894 --> 00:13:33,813
- Kyle Brimmer.
294
00:13:33,855 --> 00:13:37,359
- Let's start with who you
were with at the dispensary.
295
00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,528
- Just to be clear, Kyle has
no knowledge of any crime.
296
00:13:40,570 --> 00:13:42,364
He was home in bed
in his parents' condo
297
00:13:42,405 --> 00:13:43,990
an hour before the homicide.
298
00:13:44,032 --> 00:13:46,242
- Yeah, we got that. We
saw the surveillance video.
299
00:13:46,284 --> 00:13:48,578
So right now, the only way
Kyle can get into trouble
300
00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:51,247
is by lying to us.
301
00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:54,042
So who were you with?
302
00:13:54,084 --> 00:13:55,418
- Jesse Erickson.
303
00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,379
- And how do you know Jesse?
304
00:13:57,420 --> 00:13:59,589
- We're in the same
class at Martindale.
305
00:13:59,631 --> 00:14:02,550
- Martindale? The prep school?
306
00:14:02,592 --> 00:14:03,736
- Why don't you walk us through
307
00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,470
what you and Jesse
did that night?
308
00:14:05,512 --> 00:14:07,889
- Well, I just got my weed
card, so we wanted to...
309
00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:09,808
- They're giving out
medical marijuana cards
310
00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:11,559
to prep school seniors now?
311
00:14:11,601 --> 00:14:14,396
- My client has an exemption
for an anxiety disorder.
312
00:14:14,437 --> 00:14:16,106
- Of course he does.
313
00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:18,066
So you and Jesse,
you go downtown
314
00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:20,568
to buy some cannabis, what,
around, like, what, 11 o'clock?
315
00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:23,363
- Yeah, Jesse
wanted to get high.
316
00:14:23,405 --> 00:14:25,448
And he kept bugging me to
take him to a dispensary.
317
00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:27,867
So we bought some dabs.
318
00:14:27,909 --> 00:14:30,745
- Concentrated hash oil.
319
00:14:30,787 --> 00:14:31,996
Then what?
320
00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:34,124
- We went to some diner,
had a couple of burgers,
321
00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:35,417
and then I left.
322
00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:37,168
I took an Uber at 1:08 AM.
323
00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:38,878
I have the receipt.
324
00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,716
- How about your boy, Jesse?
325
00:14:42,757 --> 00:14:46,011
- Well, he didn't want to leave.
326
00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:47,279
He said he wanted to walk around
327
00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:50,348
and explore the East Village.
328
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:55,270
I told him to come with
me, but he sort of ran off.
329
00:14:55,311 --> 00:14:58,815
- Ran off?
330
00:14:58,857 --> 00:15:00,775
- Yeah.
331
00:15:00,817 --> 00:15:03,319
It was really weird.
332
00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:08,700
- Jesse Erickson, 18 years old,
lives on the Upper East Side
333
00:15:08,742 --> 00:15:10,160
with his investment
banker father
334
00:15:10,201 --> 00:15:11,619
and his book editor mother.
335
00:15:11,661 --> 00:15:13,663
- He's a senior at Martindale.
336
00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:16,124
- Fancy.
- He's a star varsity athlete
337
00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:17,500
and in the top 10% of his class.
338
00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,461
- Any discipline problems?
339
00:15:19,502 --> 00:15:21,629
- No, he just won a
citizenship award.
340
00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:24,090
- Good kid, good family,
never been in any trouble.
341
00:15:24,132 --> 00:15:27,802
- And yet he brutally
beats an ex-con to death?
342
00:15:27,844 --> 00:15:29,137
I don't know. Why?
343
00:15:29,179 --> 00:15:30,972
- That is the million
dollar question.
344
00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:33,016
- [sighs]
345
00:15:33,058 --> 00:15:35,977
OK, I'll call for a warrant.
346
00:15:36,019 --> 00:15:37,812
- There's got to be
some kind of mistake.
347
00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,023
- Mr. Erickson, just tell
us if Jesse is here or not.
348
00:15:40,065 --> 00:15:41,900
- Jesse is a kind
and lovely boy.
349
00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:43,318
You can ask anyone.
350
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,111
- We need to speak
with Jesse now.
351
00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:47,489
- Well, you can't treat him
like he's some common criminal.
352
00:15:47,530 --> 00:15:48,883
- We're treating him
like he's a suspect
353
00:15:48,907 --> 00:15:50,950
in a murder investigation.
[video game chirping]
354
00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:54,162
- Sounds like he's down here.
355
00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:56,581
Young man, will you
stand up please?
356
00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:57,540
Stand up.
357
00:15:57,582 --> 00:15:58,726
Put your hands behind your back.
358
00:15:58,750 --> 00:15:59,852
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
- Jesse Erickson,
359
00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:01,516
we're placing you under
arrest for murder.
360
00:16:01,544 --> 00:16:03,022
- Hold on, hold on.
- Do what they say, son.
361
00:16:03,046 --> 00:16:04,690
And don't say a word, no
matter what they tell you
362
00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:07,008
or promise you.
- What happened to your hand?
363
00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:09,260
- So me and my buddy...
- Don't answer that.
364
00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:11,096
- Dad, help me!
365
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:12,472
- I will.
366
00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:13,807
Now, remember, don't say a word.
367
00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:15,308
- Let's go.
368
00:16:19,688 --> 00:16:21,690
- Calling docket ending in 9710,
369
00:16:21,731 --> 00:16:23,400
People versus Jesse Erickson,
370
00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:25,527
charged with murder
in the second degree.
371
00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:28,279
- I'll hear you on
bail, Ms. Maroun?
372
00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:33,118
- This was a brutal, unprovoked
attack on a defenseless man.
373
00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:34,703
The defendant threw a rock,
374
00:16:34,744 --> 00:16:37,497
smashing Derek Stanton's
pizza shop window.
375
00:16:37,539 --> 00:16:40,625
When confronted about
it, the defendant reacted
376
00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,044
by beating Derek
Stanton to death
377
00:16:43,086 --> 00:16:44,504
with his bare hands.
378
00:16:44,546 --> 00:16:47,841
He's facing life in prison,
has tremendous resources,
379
00:16:47,882 --> 00:16:50,927
and has every incentive
to flee the jurisdiction.
380
00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:52,846
The People submit
that no amount of bail
381
00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:54,431
will secure his
appearance at trial.
382
00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:55,974
We're seeking remand.
383
00:16:56,016 --> 00:16:57,475
- Mr. Thorpe.
384
00:16:57,517 --> 00:16:59,561
- Holding my client without bail
385
00:16:59,602 --> 00:17:01,438
is completely uncalled for.
386
00:17:01,479 --> 00:17:03,565
My client is a
high school student
387
00:17:03,606 --> 00:17:05,358
with no criminal history,
388
00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,318
which is more than I
can say for Mr. Stanton.
389
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,279
- Well, the People
have a strong case.
390
00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,364
The attack was
captured on video.
391
00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:13,908
- A portion of the
attack was captured.
392
00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,077
Mr. Erickson was in an
unfamiliar neighborhood
393
00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,204
when he came upon a criminal
394
00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:20,081
who confronted and
threatened him.
395
00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:22,459
He panicked and he fought back.
396
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:25,045
And we expect a full
exoneration at trial.
397
00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:27,839
I'd also point out that
Mr. Erickson is a valued member
398
00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:29,466
of his community.
399
00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:33,136
His parents are
here, his classmates,
400
00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:35,764
his teammates, his minister.
401
00:17:35,805 --> 00:17:39,934
- OK, I'm setting a
$2 million cash bail.
402
00:17:39,976 --> 00:17:42,103
- His parents will
post forthwith.
403
00:17:42,145 --> 00:17:43,271
[gavel thunks]
404
00:17:43,313 --> 00:17:45,273
- Next case please.
405
00:17:45,315 --> 00:17:51,363
♪ ♪
406
00:17:52,822 --> 00:17:54,542
- They're making my dad
out to be a monster.
407
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:56,826
- Well, it's just
a legal tactic, OK?
408
00:17:56,868 --> 00:17:59,537
It doesn't mean anything.
- It does to me.
409
00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:01,956
My dad was the victim.
They called him a criminal.
410
00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,459
- It's what lawyers do.
411
00:18:04,501 --> 00:18:06,628
- He was trying to
turn his life around,
412
00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:09,547
be a better person,
a better dad.
413
00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:12,467
- I know this must be hard.
414
00:18:12,509 --> 00:18:17,389
Losing a family member
is a pain like no other.
415
00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:21,893
It just never goes away.
416
00:18:21,935 --> 00:18:26,356
♪ ♪
417
00:18:26,398 --> 00:18:30,527
- His family can buy
his way out of this.
418
00:18:30,568 --> 00:18:34,030
Who's going to stand up
for my family, for my dad?
419
00:18:34,072 --> 00:18:36,658
- I will. I promise.
420
00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,035
I'm... I'm going to
do everything I can
421
00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:41,705
to honor his memory.
422
00:18:54,342 --> 00:18:54,551
.
423
00:18:54,592 --> 00:18:55,592
- [sighs]
424
00:18:56,553 --> 00:18:59,264
[indistinct chatter]
425
00:18:59,305 --> 00:19:01,474
- Nice. What's the occasion?
426
00:19:01,516 --> 00:19:07,439
- Oh, it's the anniversary
of my sister's death.
427
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,524
- Oh, I'm sorry.
428
00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:11,693
- It's OK.
[chuckles]
429
00:19:11,735 --> 00:19:13,403
Yeah, every... every year,
430
00:19:13,445 --> 00:19:15,864
my parents send me yellow roses.
431
00:19:15,905 --> 00:19:18,575
It was her favorite flower.
432
00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,201
- That's nice.
433
00:19:20,243 --> 00:19:22,162
- Yeah.
434
00:19:22,203 --> 00:19:24,956
So it definitely looks like
435
00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:27,292
Erickson is going to
claim self-defense.
436
00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,044
- It makes sense.
437
00:19:29,085 --> 00:19:32,297
Derek Stanton was poor.
He had a criminal record.
438
00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:35,091
They'll push the narrative that
he was obviously the aggressor.
439
00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,468
- It had to be, right?
440
00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:39,804
I mean, he's an
ex-con, sold marijuana.
441
00:19:39,846 --> 00:19:41,222
How evil.
442
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,766
And of course, he's Black, so...
443
00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,267
- Right, I get it.
444
00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:47,312
There are a lot of unanswered
questions here, though.
445
00:19:47,354 --> 00:19:51,316
High school kid, great
grades, great reputation,
446
00:19:51,358 --> 00:19:54,152
no history of violence,
crosses paths with a felon.
447
00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:56,821
- A felon? He's a victim.
448
00:19:56,863 --> 00:19:59,449
- No, I understand, Sam.
I'm just stating a fact.
449
00:19:59,491 --> 00:20:02,410
- Question is, can
we prove murder two?
450
00:20:02,452 --> 00:20:04,579
Show that it was
an intentional act,
451
00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:08,041
or was it something else, a
fistfight, mutual combatants?
452
00:20:08,083 --> 00:20:09,459
- Not sure just yet.
453
00:20:09,501 --> 00:20:12,170
We need to figure
out motive first
454
00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:15,590
or offer a plea to
a reduced charge.
455
00:20:15,632 --> 00:20:17,634
Man one?
- Plead him out?
456
00:20:17,676 --> 00:20:19,135
Just like that?
457
00:20:19,177 --> 00:20:20,553
- Well, unless more
evidence drops,
458
00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:22,347
this is going to be a
tough case to prove.
459
00:20:22,389 --> 00:20:25,308
- Why? Because the defendant
is a rich white kid?
460
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:26,851
- Excuse me?
461
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,954
- If a poor Black kid beat the
hell out of Stanton, then...
462
00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,481
- Then we'd still
need to prove motive.
463
00:20:31,523 --> 00:20:34,150
And that's not what happened.
A rich white kid did it.
464
00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,695
And right or wrong,
fair or unfair,
465
00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:38,321
that's the case we're trying.
466
00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:41,199
- I understand, but
Ms. Maroun has a point.
467
00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:42,867
Even though the
facts are confusing,
468
00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:45,662
we need to be aware
of the optics.
469
00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:46,830
- Fine.
470
00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:49,165
I'll press forward
with murder two.
471
00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:51,334
- Good. But get ready
for the defense.
472
00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:53,020
They're going to attack
the victim's character,
473
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:55,171
blame him for his own murder,
474
00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:57,632
so you'll need to
counteract that.
475
00:20:57,674 --> 00:21:01,469
Find some way to level
the playing field.
476
00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:04,472
[tense music]
477
00:21:04,514 --> 00:21:10,061
♪ ♪
478
00:21:13,231 --> 00:21:15,209
- The people would like to
call character witnesses
479
00:21:15,233 --> 00:21:16,818
on behalf of Derek Stanton.
480
00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:17,986
- The victim?
481
00:21:18,028 --> 00:21:19,362
- Yes, to demonstrate
that he was
482
00:21:19,404 --> 00:21:22,323
a peaceful, hardworking
member of his community,
483
00:21:22,365 --> 00:21:23,616
far different from the way
484
00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,052
the defense is trying
to portray him.
485
00:21:25,076 --> 00:21:28,038
- Your Honor, Rule
4.11 allows a defendant
486
00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:29,873
to call character
witnesses, not the victim.
487
00:21:29,914 --> 00:21:31,833
- But there's
nothing in the rules
488
00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:33,376
that specifically precludes it.
489
00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:35,920
- Nice try, Mr. Price, but
I agree with Mr. Thorpe.
490
00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:37,106
If you want to change the rules,
491
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,884
take it up with the
state legislature.
492
00:21:40,925 --> 00:21:43,261
- Thank you, Your Honor.
493
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:45,597
Defense's witness
list is unbelievable.
494
00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,390
There's a federal judge?
495
00:21:47,432 --> 00:21:50,894
[laughs] The CEO of a
Fortune 500 company,
496
00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:52,896
the head of a
charitable foundation?
497
00:21:52,937 --> 00:21:54,165
All nine of these
character witnesses
498
00:21:54,189 --> 00:21:56,316
are incredibly impressive.
499
00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:57,650
- That's what the wealthy do
500
00:21:57,692 --> 00:21:59,319
when their backs are
up against the wall.
501
00:21:59,361 --> 00:22:03,239
They band together,
protect their own.
502
00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:06,409
- Well, that may be true,
but the question remains.
503
00:22:06,451 --> 00:22:09,079
Why did Jesse Erickson,
who, by all accounts,
504
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,123
was a good kid, rich or not,
505
00:22:12,165 --> 00:22:14,793
suddenly decide to beat
a stranger to death?
506
00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:16,002
- I don't know.
507
00:22:16,044 --> 00:22:17,438
And legally, it
doesn't really matter.
508
00:22:17,462 --> 00:22:19,756
- Uh, no, I'm not so
sure about that, Sam.
509
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,925
If we don't know what
precipitated the fight...
510
00:22:21,966 --> 00:22:24,094
- It was an attack, not a fight.
511
00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:25,387
- You saw the video.
512
00:22:25,428 --> 00:22:27,263
- But we don't know
what happened before,
513
00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:28,682
and that's relevant.
514
00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,326
The jury's going to want
to know the full picture.
515
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:31,935
- I understand, and
we'll keep looking,
516
00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:36,314
but for now, since we can't
explain why Erickson did it,
517
00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:39,651
let's focus on the horror
of what he actually did.
518
00:22:42,696 --> 00:22:46,199
- Mr. Stanton had a
shattered occipital bone.
519
00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,118
That's the bone that's
in the back of the head
520
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,370
that connects to
the cervical spine.
521
00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:52,997
It essentially
protects the brain.
522
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,291
He also had several
other broken bones...
523
00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:59,504
His nose, his eye
socket, his jaw.
524
00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,507
- Did you make a ruling
as to the cause of death?
525
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:05,468
- Cranial cerebral
trauma so severe
526
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:09,097
that the brain hemorrhaged
and flooded with blood.
527
00:23:09,139 --> 00:23:11,641
- [whimpers]
528
00:23:11,683 --> 00:23:15,020
- Were there wounds on
Mr. Stanton's torso?
529
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,896
- He had three broken ribs.
530
00:23:16,938 --> 00:23:20,066
- Did you form an opinion as to
how he sustained those wounds?
531
00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:23,153
- Mr. Stanton had been
kicked four times.
532
00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:25,196
- I have nothing further.
533
00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:29,784
- We've all seen the video of
the fight and the crime scene
534
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:33,747
photos, but you don't know why
my client had an altercation
535
00:23:33,788 --> 00:23:35,206
with Mr. Stanton, do you?
536
00:23:35,248 --> 00:23:37,000
- No, I have no idea.
537
00:23:37,042 --> 00:23:39,794
- So you don't know if my
client was protecting himself.
538
00:23:39,836 --> 00:23:41,504
- I don't.
539
00:23:41,546 --> 00:23:43,965
- Thank you.
540
00:23:44,007 --> 00:23:46,676
- Were there any
scrapes or bruises
541
00:23:46,718 --> 00:23:50,096
on Mr. Stanton's fists, on
his palms, on his forearms?
542
00:23:50,138 --> 00:23:51,514
- No.
543
00:23:51,556 --> 00:23:53,683
- Any wounds which suggest
he was the aggressor?
544
00:23:53,725 --> 00:23:55,226
- Nothing like that.
545
00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:57,729
- And there was no indication
he had a weapon of any kind?
546
00:23:57,771 --> 00:23:59,189
- Correct.
547
00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:01,483
- And Mr. Stanton
was 2 inches shorter
548
00:24:01,524 --> 00:24:04,652
and 40 pounds lighter
than the defendant?
549
00:24:04,694 --> 00:24:05,987
- That's true.
550
00:24:06,029 --> 00:24:07,548
- And no drugs in
Mr. Stanton's system?
551
00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,908
- Toxicology was
negative for alcohol
552
00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:11,785
and controlled substances.
553
00:24:11,826 --> 00:24:13,912
- Nothing further.
554
00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:20,960
♪ ♪
555
00:24:21,002 --> 00:24:22,879
The M.E. did a good job,
556
00:24:22,921 --> 00:24:25,840
but I think we still
need a few more witnesses
557
00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:28,510
to help offset the
self-defense claim.
558
00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:30,720
- Like who?
- Not sure.
559
00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:32,639
Someone who can speak
to his state of mind
560
00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:35,892
prior to his death, someone who
can say he was in a good mood,
561
00:24:35,934 --> 00:24:38,978
he was focused on the
opening of his pizzeria.
562
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:40,480
- Well, I'll look into it.
563
00:24:40,522 --> 00:24:44,401
But if you ask me, I think
the M.E. pretty much destroyed
564
00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:46,861
their self-defense argument.
565
00:24:46,903 --> 00:24:48,673
- We still have no idea why
this kid killed Stanton.
566
00:24:48,697 --> 00:24:49,823
[phone vibrating]
567
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:51,616
Whole thing still
doesn't make any sense.
568
00:24:51,658 --> 00:24:55,245
- Defense just
changed their plea.
569
00:24:55,286 --> 00:24:57,580
- Their plea? To what?
570
00:24:57,622 --> 00:25:00,125
- Not guilty by reason
of mental defect.
571
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,710
- He's claiming insanity?
572
00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:03,753
- They're alleging
Jesse Erickson
573
00:25:03,795 --> 00:25:06,840
had a mental impairment when
he killed Derek Stanton.
574
00:25:06,881 --> 00:25:08,091
- What's the impairment?
575
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:10,593
- Cannabis intoxication.
576
00:25:10,635 --> 00:25:13,888
- They're using marijuana
as the basis for a...
577
00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:16,808
For an insanity defense?
578
00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:24,315
.
579
00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:26,157
- I understand you'd
like to change your plea.
580
00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:28,528
- We plan to present
evidence that my client
581
00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,363
was in the throes of
a psychotic episode
582
00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:31,990
the night of
Mr. Stanton's death.
583
00:25:32,032 --> 00:25:35,160
My client went to a dispensary
earlier and bought cannabis.
584
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:36,554
- Yeah, something you've
gone out of your way
585
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:38,455
to denigrate
Mr. Stanton for doing.
586
00:25:38,496 --> 00:25:41,124
- We denigrated him for selling
it, for committing a felony.
587
00:25:41,166 --> 00:25:42,625
- Regardless,
588
00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:45,378
if the defendant voluntarily
ingested an intoxicant,
589
00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:48,423
he can't turn around
now and claim insanity.
590
00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:49,942
- My client didn't
understand how potent
591
00:25:49,966 --> 00:25:51,551
this dose of cannabis was.
592
00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:53,553
No idea what it could do to him.
593
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:55,764
That means his consumption
wasn't voluntary.
594
00:25:55,805 --> 00:25:57,390
- I've never seen
a claim of insanity
595
00:25:57,432 --> 00:25:58,892
based on marijuana usage.
596
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:00,977
Do you have any science
to back that up?
597
00:26:01,019 --> 00:26:03,396
- Data from medical journals
detailing the frequency
598
00:26:03,438 --> 00:26:05,231
of cannabis-induced psychosis
599
00:26:05,273 --> 00:26:07,150
and a board-certified
psychiatrist
600
00:26:07,192 --> 00:26:08,985
who will testify
that my client was
601
00:26:09,027 --> 00:26:10,653
in the midst of such a psychosis
602
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:13,490
when he came
across Mr. Stanton.
603
00:26:13,531 --> 00:26:15,784
- Well, if that's your
case that you present,
604
00:26:15,825 --> 00:26:16,951
I'm OK with it.
605
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:19,245
I'll grant the
defendant's request.
606
00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:20,765
And the People can
call their own expert
607
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:24,793
to interview the defendant
and challenge the findings.
608
00:26:24,834 --> 00:26:26,878
- I've researched the
potency of the THC
609
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,130
he claims to have ingested,
and I met with the defendant
610
00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:32,634
for approximately two hours,
got a full medical history,
611
00:26:32,676 --> 00:26:34,886
and it's scientifically
possible that the cannabis
612
00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:37,263
caused him to experience
irrational thoughts
613
00:26:37,305 --> 00:26:39,349
and paranoid delusions.
614
00:26:39,391 --> 00:26:41,101
- Possible that pot can
615
00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:42,977
make someone kill
another human being?
616
00:26:43,019 --> 00:26:44,437
- It sounds farfetched.
617
00:26:44,479 --> 00:26:46,481
- But we're talking about pot.
618
00:26:46,523 --> 00:26:48,692
- This sure as hell isn't
the pot I grew up with.
619
00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:52,612
Back in the '90s, the THC level
in marijuana was below 2%.
620
00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:54,197
Now?
621
00:26:54,239 --> 00:26:58,451
Some dispensaries are selling
dabs that are 80% or 90% THC.
622
00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:01,538
Put that in a vape and smoke it?
623
00:27:01,579 --> 00:27:05,542
It can absolutely trigger
a psychotic episode.
624
00:27:05,583 --> 00:27:08,920
If I'm being honest, he
seemed like a good kid
625
00:27:08,962 --> 00:27:13,133
who smoked some really
strong marijuana
626
00:27:13,174 --> 00:27:16,177
and lost his damn mind.
627
00:27:19,889 --> 00:27:23,518
- So you want to concede that
he had an altered mental state
628
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,146
and reduce the charges?
- It makes sense to me.
629
00:27:26,187 --> 00:27:27,313
- Not to me.
630
00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:29,941
He literally beat
Stanton to death.
631
00:27:29,983 --> 00:27:33,820
Each punch required independent
thought and movement.
632
00:27:33,862 --> 00:27:36,823
High or not, his acts
were still intentional.
633
00:27:36,865 --> 00:27:39,075
- Intentional? Our own
doctor believes the defendant
634
00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:40,618
was in a psychotic state.
635
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:43,455
Not only that, he
ingested the pot legally.
636
00:27:43,496 --> 00:27:47,250
- The legal age is 21, not
18, and for good reason.
637
00:27:47,292 --> 00:27:50,503
The teenage brain is
more susceptible to THC.
638
00:27:50,545 --> 00:27:51,796
- Well, you're making my point.
639
00:27:51,838 --> 00:27:55,133
- No, Erickson knew
he was underage.
640
00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,552
That means he assumed the risk.
641
00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:59,846
- Technically, yes, I
suppose, but come on, Jack.
642
00:27:59,888 --> 00:28:02,015
No one on the jury
views marijuana
643
00:28:02,057 --> 00:28:03,850
as an illicit drug anymore.
644
00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:06,936
Man two is the
appropriate charge.
645
00:28:06,978 --> 00:28:09,356
- You saw those
autopsy photos, Nolan.
646
00:28:09,397 --> 00:28:11,399
He pummeled that man to death.
647
00:28:11,441 --> 00:28:13,401
We can't just give this
guy a slap on the wrist.
648
00:28:13,443 --> 00:28:14,503
- We're not
suggesting that we do.
649
00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:17,739
I'll recommend a
minimum of 10 years.
650
00:28:17,781 --> 00:28:20,617
[dramatic music]
651
00:28:20,658 --> 00:28:24,371
- We're not pleading him out
to man two, not yet anyway.
652
00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:30,210
- OK.
653
00:28:30,251 --> 00:28:35,382
If that's what you want to do,
I think Sam should take over.
654
00:28:35,423 --> 00:28:36,633
I'll... I'll sit second chair.
655
00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:40,512
I'll support her as best I can.
656
00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:43,056
I don't see murder two here.
657
00:28:43,098 --> 00:28:44,349
I just don't.
658
00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:46,309
But you do.
659
00:28:46,351 --> 00:28:52,899
♪ ♪
660
00:28:52,941 --> 00:28:54,526
- Are you good with that?
661
00:28:54,567 --> 00:28:57,237
- Yes, absolutely.
662
00:28:57,278 --> 00:29:04,452
♪ ♪
663
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:09,600
- Tell the jurors what
happened the night
664
00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:12,502
of Mr. Stanton's death.
665
00:29:12,544 --> 00:29:15,588
- My friend, Kyle, he
has a cannabis card.
666
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,800
So it means he can
legally buy marijuana.
667
00:29:18,842 --> 00:29:21,219
So we went to a dispensary
down on the Lower East Side.
668
00:29:21,261 --> 00:29:23,096
- Did your friend buy marijuana?
669
00:29:23,138 --> 00:29:24,264
- Yes.
670
00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:26,099
- Did you partake?
671
00:29:26,141 --> 00:29:27,559
- Yes.
672
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,103
- And did you ever smoke or
eat pot before that night?
673
00:29:30,145 --> 00:29:31,521
- Yes.
674
00:29:31,563 --> 00:29:33,231
But it wasn't
anything like this.
675
00:29:33,273 --> 00:29:35,442
- Can you describe
your experience?
676
00:29:35,483 --> 00:29:37,318
- So I started seeing things
677
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,237
that, like, weren't
actually there.
678
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,032
And I just felt like
everybody was threatening me.
679
00:29:42,073 --> 00:29:44,117
- Is that why you
started throwing rocks?
680
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:45,535
- Yes.
681
00:29:45,577 --> 00:29:47,620
- Do you remember
meeting Mr. Stanton?
682
00:29:47,662 --> 00:29:50,331
- Yes, I threw a
rock at his store.
683
00:29:50,373 --> 00:29:52,334
It's a pizza place.
684
00:29:52,375 --> 00:29:54,294
And it shattered the glass.
685
00:29:54,336 --> 00:29:55,503
- What did Mr. Stanton do?
686
00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:58,089
- He came out,
trying to talk to me.
687
00:29:58,131 --> 00:30:02,135
But I walked away, and,
uh, he ran after me.
688
00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:03,595
- You felt threatened?
689
00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:05,013
- Objection, leading.
690
00:30:05,055 --> 00:30:06,806
- Sustained.
691
00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:08,975
- Tell the jurors how you felt.
692
00:30:09,017 --> 00:30:10,560
- OK.
693
00:30:10,602 --> 00:30:13,688
I thought Mr. Stanton
was... Was going to kill me.
694
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:17,317
And now I know that
that's not true,
695
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:18,711
but at the time,
like, in the moment,
696
00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:22,030
it felt super real,
like very real.
697
00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:24,532
So I hit him.
698
00:30:29,204 --> 00:30:30,497
- Thank you.
699
00:30:30,538 --> 00:30:32,624
Nothing further.
700
00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:52,143
- You didn't just hit him.
701
00:30:52,185 --> 00:30:54,813
You beat him to death.
702
00:30:54,854 --> 00:30:57,565
- I feel awful, all right?
703
00:30:57,607 --> 00:30:59,609
I'm so sorry for
everything I've done.
704
00:30:59,651 --> 00:31:02,570
I'm so sorry for the pain
that I've caused my family
705
00:31:02,612 --> 00:31:04,280
and Mr. Stanton's family.
706
00:31:04,322 --> 00:31:06,116
- And up until this very moment,
707
00:31:06,157 --> 00:31:08,576
you've never expressed
a shred of remorse
708
00:31:08,618 --> 00:31:10,870
for what you've done.
709
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,873
- That's 'cause my lawyer
and my dad told me not to.
710
00:31:13,915 --> 00:31:17,460
- Oh, so you're blaming
this on your father and...
711
00:31:17,502 --> 00:31:18,920
- No. No.
- Lawyer?
712
00:31:18,962 --> 00:31:20,189
- See, that's not
what I'm saying.
713
00:31:20,213 --> 00:31:22,674
I'm saying I'm a...
I'm not a bad person.
714
00:31:22,716 --> 00:31:24,926
- [scoffs] Not a bad person?
715
00:31:24,968 --> 00:31:27,595
[tense music]
716
00:31:27,637 --> 00:31:30,932
♪ ♪
717
00:31:30,974 --> 00:31:32,976
- Yeah.
718
00:31:33,018 --> 00:31:35,562
Yeah, I wish I
could take it back.
719
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,522
I'd do anything to
have that night back.
720
00:31:37,564 --> 00:31:39,649
- But you can't.
721
00:31:39,691 --> 00:31:42,444
That's not how the world works.
722
00:31:42,485 --> 00:31:44,821
You did what you did.
723
00:31:44,863 --> 00:31:49,200
And now a good man, an innocent
man is dead and buried,
724
00:31:49,242 --> 00:31:51,578
and his family is grieving.
- Objection.
725
00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:55,081
- Sustained. Watch
it, Ms. Maroun.
726
00:31:55,123 --> 00:32:02,088
♪ ♪
727
00:32:05,675 --> 00:32:08,219
- And after you brutally
murdered Mr. Stanton,
728
00:32:08,261 --> 00:32:10,930
you went to great lengths to
cover your tracks, didn't you?
729
00:32:10,972 --> 00:32:12,241
- Look, I don't
know what you mean.
730
00:32:12,265 --> 00:32:14,225
- Yeah, you went to a
hospital to get treatment.
731
00:32:14,267 --> 00:32:16,436
You paid out of pocket so
it wouldn't be reflected
732
00:32:16,478 --> 00:32:17,771
in your insurance claim.
733
00:32:17,812 --> 00:32:18,914
- See, that was my
family's decision.
734
00:32:18,938 --> 00:32:21,024
- Yes, I know. It's
all their fault.
735
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:22,442
- Please.
736
00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:27,113
[crying] I'm so
sorry for what I did.
737
00:32:27,155 --> 00:32:29,657
I'm so sorry.
738
00:32:29,699 --> 00:32:33,203
I'm so sorry.
739
00:32:33,244 --> 00:32:35,914
I'm so sorry.
740
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:41,920
[crying]
741
00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:44,714
- That's all I have
for this witness.
742
00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:51,888
♪ ♪
743
00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,313
Went too far, didn't I?
744
00:33:00,355 --> 00:33:02,023
- No, not necessarily.
745
00:33:02,065 --> 00:33:06,111
I think we still have a
few jurors in our corner.
746
00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:15,328
.
747
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:16,370
- You're doing great.
748
00:33:17,038 --> 00:33:18,415
- Be honest.
749
00:33:18,456 --> 00:33:19,749
- I am.
750
00:33:19,791 --> 00:33:21,793
You are doing great.
751
00:33:21,835 --> 00:33:24,504
But the facts are the facts.
752
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:26,548
No matter how well
you present the case,
753
00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:28,591
the jury is going
to want to know why
754
00:33:28,633 --> 00:33:31,136
the defendant had such
a violent outburst
755
00:33:31,177 --> 00:33:33,596
and killed another human being.
756
00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:39,185
And, well, unless we can give
them an understandable motive,
757
00:33:39,227 --> 00:33:42,355
I don't see us getting a
conviction on murder two.
758
00:33:42,397 --> 00:33:44,441
- Last time I tell
you to be honest.
759
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:46,901
- [laughs] Does
that mean you agree?
760
00:33:46,943 --> 00:33:50,321
- That we need to offer
up additional information
761
00:33:50,363 --> 00:33:52,907
or find some sort of reason
for Erickson's violence?
762
00:33:52,949 --> 00:33:54,576
Yes, absolutely.
763
00:33:54,617 --> 00:33:56,661
And I've been looking
for one, but...
764
00:33:56,703 --> 00:34:00,331
- You know, it occurred to me
when Erickson was on the stand
765
00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:04,252
that neither he nor his lawyer
have talked about college.
766
00:34:04,294 --> 00:34:06,338
- What do you mean?
- He's a high school senior.
767
00:34:06,379 --> 00:34:08,506
He's a great student,
talented athlete
768
00:34:08,548 --> 00:34:11,926
from a wealthy, educated family.
769
00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:14,846
For a kid like Jesse
Erickson not to be on his way
770
00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:18,141
to some sort of elite college,
it doesn't make sense.
771
00:34:18,183 --> 00:34:20,393
Has to be a reason.
772
00:34:25,648 --> 00:34:27,192
- He was accepted
early at Brown,
773
00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:29,110
but decided to take a gap year.
774
00:34:29,152 --> 00:34:30,653
- To do what?
775
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:32,447
- He's enlisted in a
youth volunteer group
776
00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:34,115
to build a school in Kenya.
777
00:34:34,157 --> 00:34:35,367
- [scoffs] Kenya?
778
00:34:35,408 --> 00:34:38,453
- That's the plan...
Or it was the plan.
779
00:34:38,495 --> 00:34:41,289
- So he's never been in trouble?
780
00:34:41,331 --> 00:34:43,124
Suspended, discipline?
781
00:34:43,166 --> 00:34:44,834
- Not to my knowledge.
782
00:34:44,876 --> 00:34:47,045
- Ever shown signs of violence?
783
00:34:47,087 --> 00:34:49,714
- Not that I'm aware of.
784
00:34:49,756 --> 00:34:52,342
- Has he ever expressed
racist thoughts
785
00:34:52,384 --> 00:34:55,011
and shown bias against
people of color?
786
00:34:55,053 --> 00:34:56,513
- No.
787
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:59,265
I'm telling you,
he's a good kid.
788
00:34:59,307 --> 00:35:01,142
I've been his advisor
since freshman year.
789
00:35:01,184 --> 00:35:03,687
- So he's perfect? That's
what you're saying?
790
00:35:03,728 --> 00:35:06,606
He just runs around,
getting straight As,
791
00:35:06,648 --> 00:35:09,401
playing football, winning
citizenship awards,
792
00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:13,071
and then one night, out of the
blue, he beats a man to death?
793
00:35:13,113 --> 00:35:15,115
- It was the cannabis.
794
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:19,035
That's the only thing
that makes sense.
795
00:35:19,077 --> 00:35:22,372
I don't understand
all your anger.
796
00:35:22,414 --> 00:35:26,751
Why are you hell bent
on ruining Jesse's life?
797
00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:29,713
[soft dramatic music]
798
00:35:29,754 --> 00:35:34,509
♪ ♪
799
00:35:34,551 --> 00:35:36,261
- You should have
heard this guy.
800
00:35:36,302 --> 00:35:39,931
He... he made Erickson
out to be a saint.
801
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:42,892
He turned it around, started
pointing fingers at me
802
00:35:42,934 --> 00:35:45,061
like I have some
personal vendetta
803
00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:47,272
against Erickson.
804
00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:53,528
♪ ♪
805
00:35:54,612 --> 00:35:57,282
What? What are you...
806
00:35:59,701 --> 00:36:01,911
- OK.
807
00:36:01,953 --> 00:36:05,123
I have wondered the same thing.
808
00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,836
From the second we
charged this kid,
809
00:36:09,878 --> 00:36:12,839
you've been convinced
that he's a monster
810
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:14,090
in spite of the evidence.
811
00:36:14,132 --> 00:36:15,759
- The evidence?
812
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,845
He bludgeoned a man to
death with his fists.
813
00:36:18,887 --> 00:36:20,597
I mean, those were the most
814
00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:23,016
horrific crime scene
photos I have ever seen.
815
00:36:23,058 --> 00:36:27,812
- I agree, which is why we
brought the murder two charge.
816
00:36:27,854 --> 00:36:30,607
But...
817
00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:33,902
the evidence no longer
backs our original theory,
818
00:36:33,943 --> 00:36:36,780
and we're losing the jury.
819
00:36:36,821 --> 00:36:38,990
[sighs] Manslaughter is
still a serious charge.
820
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:41,493
Like I said before, we
can recommend 10 years.
821
00:36:41,534 --> 00:36:45,497
- That's not enough,
not for what he did.
822
00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:54,130
- I'm not a psychiatrist, but...
823
00:36:54,172 --> 00:36:56,007
is there a chance
this has something
824
00:36:56,049 --> 00:36:58,009
to do with your sister?
825
00:36:58,051 --> 00:36:59,594
- [scoffs]
826
00:36:59,636 --> 00:37:01,805
- You know, OK, I'm...
I'm sorry to even...
827
00:37:01,846 --> 00:37:04,641
- You... you think I'm trying
to blame Jesse Erickson
828
00:37:04,683 --> 00:37:06,559
for what happened to my sister?
829
00:37:06,601 --> 00:37:10,021
- No, not consciously, but
there is a resemblance,
830
00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:12,982
on paper anyway,
between him and...
831
00:37:13,024 --> 00:37:15,944
And the young man who...
832
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:23,785
OK, I'm wrong.
833
00:37:23,827 --> 00:37:26,705
I'm sorry for even
bringing it up.
834
00:37:26,746 --> 00:37:32,168
♪ ♪
835
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:34,879
I'm just trying to help, Sam.
836
00:37:37,757 --> 00:37:40,260
- I know.
837
00:37:40,301 --> 00:37:47,392
♪ ♪
838
00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:58,028
- Breakfast on a work day?
839
00:37:58,069 --> 00:38:00,488
- Oh.
840
00:38:00,530 --> 00:38:02,449
It's been a while.
841
00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:05,493
Just thought I'd
come by, say hello.
842
00:38:05,535 --> 00:38:07,704
- I'm thrilled.
843
00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:10,540
And thanks for bringing
the fresh croissants.
844
00:38:24,054 --> 00:38:28,892
- I thought it'd get easier.
845
00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:31,353
- It doesn't.
846
00:38:31,394 --> 00:38:34,939
It's an ache that
will never go away.
847
00:38:34,981 --> 00:38:38,693
But I tell myself that
the pain is a good thing.
848
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:41,863
Lets me know that
I'm still alive,
849
00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:44,657
that I'm still
capable of feeling.
850
00:38:54,292 --> 00:38:56,961
- It doesn't help that
851
00:38:57,003 --> 00:39:01,633
the police never arrested
the son of a bitch.
852
00:39:01,675 --> 00:39:04,803
Just knowing that smug
bastard is still out there
853
00:39:04,844 --> 00:39:09,099
walking around free as a bird...
854
00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:12,268
If I think about it too
much, I'm going to go crazy.
855
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:15,397
- So don't.
856
00:39:15,438 --> 00:39:17,565
- Don't what?
857
00:39:17,607 --> 00:39:20,026
- [sighs] Think about it.
858
00:39:20,068 --> 00:39:22,612
Focus instead on Christina,
859
00:39:22,654 --> 00:39:27,367
her smile, her
laughter, her kindness.
860
00:39:27,409 --> 00:39:32,455
Just forget about
all this stuff...
861
00:39:32,497 --> 00:39:37,544
The hatred, the frustration.
862
00:39:37,585 --> 00:39:39,295
- I don't think it's possible.
863
00:39:39,337 --> 00:39:41,131
- It is.
864
00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,842
I promise.
865
00:39:43,883 --> 00:39:46,845
[soft music]
866
00:39:46,886 --> 00:39:50,181
♪ ♪
867
00:39:50,223 --> 00:39:53,476
I'm so glad you came by.
868
00:39:53,518 --> 00:39:55,353
- [chuckles]
869
00:39:55,395 --> 00:39:58,314
- It's been too long, hm?
870
00:39:58,356 --> 00:40:05,196
♪ ♪
871
00:40:05,238 --> 00:40:08,366
[indistinct chatter]
872
00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:14,039
- What's going on?
873
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,458
- I pled him out to man two.
874
00:40:16,499 --> 00:40:20,170
- Really? Man two.
875
00:40:20,211 --> 00:40:22,213
- You were right.
876
00:40:22,255 --> 00:40:23,840
Without a credible motive,
877
00:40:23,882 --> 00:40:26,843
the jury wasn't going to
convict Erickson of murder,
878
00:40:26,885 --> 00:40:30,680
but he's still going
to do a lot of time.
879
00:40:30,722 --> 00:40:33,641
If this law thing
doesn't work out,
880
00:40:33,683 --> 00:40:36,895
you should think about
becoming a psychiatrist.
881
00:40:36,936 --> 00:40:43,860
♪ ♪
882
00:41:28,113 --> 00:41:31,074
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