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medical authority hello everyone and
welcome to episode number 157 of the
better health guy blog cast series
today's guest is dr isaac elias and the
topic of the show is the survival
paradox dr isaac elias is a recognized
expert in the field of integrative
medicine focusing on cancer and complex
conditions he is a respected clinician
researcher author educator and mind body
practitioner dr elias partners with
leading research institutes including
harvard national institutes of health
and columbia to co-author scientific
studies on today's most serious
conditions he has spent decades studying
meditation with an emphasis on healing
and deepening the mind-body connection
dr elias is the founder and medical
director of amitabha medical clinic and
healing center in santa rosa california
and now my interview with dr isaac
elias
dr elias and i had an earlier discussion
in episode 54 nearly four years ago now
i am super excited today to talk with
him about his new book the survival
paradox reversing the hidden cause of
aging and chronic disease which has
already garnered rave reviews from
deepak chopra dr josh axe and many
others thanks so much for being here
today dr elias thank you thank you for
inviting me it's always such a treat to
talk to you you as well
as much as our body's ability to survive
is critical isn't being in a survival
mode or surviving at any cost isn't that
a major contributor to the poor state of
health and the epidemic of chronic
illness that many experience today and
what is it about this period in time
that seems to keep so many of us in this
constant survival mode
yeah you know this is really
the survival paradox whatever what the
same mechanism that allows us to survive
is what really gets us sick
and to take a step back we know in
integrative medicine for decades that
inflammation drives practically every
chronic disease and also
detrimental outcomes of acute diseases
like the cytokine storm in covid
but
and i think that the coverage really
brought inflammation to the forefront of
conventional medicine
but israel inflammation that cause
inflammation is really the movement it's
the result what really drives
inflammation is our survival response
and that's really the paradigm shift
contribution of the book which is a
result of decades of
of researching clinical work in in
meditation and contemplation so what do
i mean
the survival paradox is innate within us
because it's built within us you know
every living being every cell wants to
survive
so if it's so innate within us it has to
be automated and it's automated through
our autonomic nervous system which is
autonomic we can't control it so the
sympathetic response
respon responds in second the
sympathetic system maybe in a fraction
of a second and then it's balanced
by the parasympathetic response but if
we are on a sympathetic drive if we are
constantly under stress under drive
under threat it will have detrimental
effect on our neuroendocrine system
immune system etc
the problem is also a biochemical
survival response and this biochemical
survival response is driven
biochemically
and it's a group very big topic for the
survival product it's more than just
health it's driven by our survival
protein galactin three and galactic
three rises very very quickly
and i've done a lot of research on this
and published some very important papers
lately so what happened
the survival protein our alarm doesn't
need to have a big effect it's enough
that it goes up by 50
25
and you get an avalanche of cascade of
interlocking six going up one thousand
fold
so
the same thing that started the survival
response doesn't turn off and this
practically affects
every chronic disease
every acute disease from cancer total
immunity to biofilm to infections to
name it and that's why it's such a big
topic
so being in then this state of
sympathetic dominance stress hormones
like adrenaline noradrenaline cortisol
they can impact our immune system they
affect our metabolic function how does
that sympathetic dominance drive poor
health and what we might call dis-ease
it drives us because it puts us into a
survival mode now our body is built to
be in a survival mode
and to do this we have to produce energy
in a much more efficient way because we
are in survival so we are able to
produce energy 100 times faster we do it
by shifting
from normal
peaceful balanced
mitochondrial function to glycolysis
where we produce energy 100 times faster
but at a heavy cost right every glucose
produces only two molecules of atp
instead of 36
the end result is lactic acid
hypoxia in the cell that pushes a
a
a compound called
hypoxia-inducing factor that blocks
it enhances an enzyme called the
pdk blocks pdh and we shut down the
mitochondria so this is a mechanism in
stress there's a mechanism in diabetes
that's a mechanism in inflammatory
diseases that's a mechanism in cancer
even if there is enough oxygen in the
body the warburg effect
and this
mechanism for example we'll talk about
later
just to kind of
get get us aware of it this mechanism of
shifting into one being stimulated ampk
being abnormal and these are all the
same pathways is very present in lyme
disease
that's why you can look at certain
botanicals like honokiol have a major
shift into a sympathetic through
parasympathetic by moving from glutamate
to gaba
and also has an enormous
anti-infectious benefits while balancing
our metabolic system so the body is
smart the body needs to survive at
any cost
and one thing that is very important and
we'll talk more about it later today
hope is it we have to appreciate the
body wants to survive the body will
always do the best it can at the moment
it may not be
the right thing an hour later a week
later a year later a generation later
you say that when we are faced with
something like a cancer diagnosis that
fear anxiety and panic the part of that
survival response that those actually
feed the cancer that we need to
essentially become that person who and
you say quote inhales the smoke from
their burning house deeply while staying
calm and positive so how do you guide
your patients to be able to do this how
do we stay
calm and positive breathing in deeply
when the house around us feels like it's
burning down
so in the book in the survival paradox
where i give a chapter one i give an
example of of a woman who survived for
many years with metastatic lung cancer i
actually say that it's hard to ask
somebody to relax when the house is on
fire
so we have to reduce the fire and that's
the value of detoxification of changing
habits
so
transforming the survival paradox
is a life journey
it's a life journey that never stops
and keeps up unfolding and it's amazing
it's really when we are starting to
learn how to transform and actually how
to free the survival products then we
have a greater
quality of freedom in our life we are
less bound we are less constricted
and you know we'll go into in greater
depth into a little bit later but the
result is there's more space when
there's more space
everything moves slower you know
you know from a physical point of view
speed
is distance divided by time
when the space becomes
bigger we have a senate everything is
moving slower
so things move slower we can take a deep
breath
things slow down our metabolic system
changes so now i'm focusing on medically
of course but the same thing happened in
our mind and we'll get to it later
because
you have some great
great things you brought up before the
interview that i really want to
elaborate on i don't want to spoil and
touch on it now you know it's it's funny
that you mentioned you know taking a
deep breath because even just listening
to you talking that's exactly what
happened even before you said taking a
deep breath i was already as you were
talking about creating space i was
already feeling calmer and more centered
and grounded and so this is a fun
conversation
you connect a lack of feeling safe to a
metabolic shift that changes oxygen
levels in the body i think for many
people in the lime and mold and other
conditions that that feeling safe in the
world feeling safe in our environment is
something that is really important that
we often don't feel safe and so i want
to talk a little bit more about how does
a low oxygen environment create
a terrain not only for cancer but for
chronic infections like lyme disease
like co-infections and if we're in that
hypoxic or low oxygen state due to not
feeling safe what are some of the tools
that we can use that can lead us to
feeling safer and then while we're doing
that deeper work can we also benefit
from maybe some
physical interventions that can address
hypoxia while we're learning how to be
more parasympathetic learning how to
create more space
yeah i mean this is really this is the
whole healing process you just described
so just for
people who are listening or watching if
you hold your breath
and at certain point you feel like you
don't have enough air and you keep
holding you're gonna get tight you're
gonna feel a real crisis
that's the concept of not being able to
take a deep breath
so
one of the issues for example when i
when i work with cancer patient i try to
find out
what is the reason that they cannot take
a deep breath because if the cancer
patient in the cancer cell if the cancer
cell took a deep breath
and had normal oxygen functioning
the glycolysis aerobic glycolysis will
just
melt down and the cell will turn into a
normal cell
so we have this idea so when we are
under stress and we're under danger when
you don't feel safe there are a few
things we can do
one is we can fight
so fight is our inflammatory response
now it's very
very important
to
identify each
person will have a tendency to go in a
certain direction so people for example
have
a tendency to fight the c reactive
protein will be higher the interlakens
will be higher they are fighting people
they raise they'll have stronger
resistance
and then there are people who will run
away they will flee away
right this is the fear and there are
people that hide
how do we hide
we hide one by
not
acknowledging that there is an issue
kind of pushing it away and by creating
a coating around ourselves
by boxing ourselves how do we call it
medically we call it biofilm
so if you look at the lyme patient and
the mold patient they are often i don't
want to know to stereotype but often
these are very sweet kind people who
don't have strong boundaries
don't give strong bodies they get
affected by the outside they get
affected by allergies they get affected
by mold they get affected by infectious
agents more than other people because
there are boundaries between their
defense system and the outside is not
is not
is not
is not strong enough so for example if
you look at these people you will see
that the three reactive protein will be
low
but the tgf better will be very high
because they are producing fibrotic
markers and not inflammatory markers in
fact sometimes our galactic three will
be abnormally low
and when you treat them the galactic
insulin will come up a little bit to
normal crp will come from non-detectable
to like 0.3 and tgf better will drop
and that's when i know that the patient
is doing better and from my perspective
i can diagnose you know a tick-borne
disease just by the ratio of of these
labs many times
so
for the mold for the lime people we need
to really be able to melt the biofilm
but to melt the biofilm
we need to be able to deal with what's
out there and be able to clean it up and
that's why detox is a profound process
that is over
it often is called overlook
in the name of different methods and
techniques and we really don't
understand what detox is detox is the
first step
in creating a change when we come to
this world what is the first thing that
we do
we take a cry we inhale we exhale right
we let go
we detox what is the last thing that we
do in this world
we exhale and we leave our body
so we are
now when you detoxify you create space
because you clear some and the space
allows for nourishment
so really once you detoxify you can
afford
the process of transformation that will
bring
eventually healing so for example in the
book you see in the end there are three
chapters
detoxification which really introduces a
model of detoxification in a deeper way
all the details are in the appendix and
then healing the scars of survival
this is really where we shift
our survival patterns that you had some
great questions and i hope we get to
touch on them all and then we can go
into transforming and freeing the
survival paradox which is done through
our mind through meditation so
connecting with our heart
so
when we can do this
and
when we can do this we really can create
a change so if we look at people who
have mold sensitivity or lyme or lyme
disease
they have often repeated symptoms right
they kind of flare up they get better
their flare-ups so their being
has learned to expect
step number two when step number one
happens they create a certain pattern
that they repeat
for example they have a certain symptom
the patient will associate it to
something happening to them i just had a
mold exposure now i'm going to get the
next symptom and then it goes we need to
change
these habits we need to mail them away
and this is part of our
and this is really part of
changing the survival response
transforming the survival paradox
and once we connect to it
in the most authentic way
then we tap into our infinite healing
potential we do have infinite evening
potential one of my most
the senses i like to say
my one of my favorite ones when i teach
meditation and healing is not everyone
is going to be a miracle but anyone can
be a miracle
and
i see it very dramatically with patients
with mold with severe mold sensitivity
when you are able to really reduce their
burden
and create an opening for them they can
really shift
i love in the book how you go into
detail about a lot of these tools we can
use in this realm meditation breath work
acupuncture
osteopathic work or cranial work even
using sound and visualization and tools
like that i want to talk a little bit
about the limbic system and so in my
mind the limbic system is the safety
center the alarm switch in the brain
that really is looking for is the
environment around us safe and when we
have limbic system impairment i think of
that then as having a hyper vigilant
alarm center that is constantly raising
an unnecessary red flag constantly
raising this unnecessary alarm and so
i'm wondering if you have used tools
like annie hopper's dnrs or ash
shotgupta's the gupta program and have
you found those helpful in being able to
make that shift out of survival and into
what you term harmony
so what you are describing is exactly
the survival paradox
where we get caught in a certain pattern
of survival
in my book i share a few i share my own
story
uh
my name i'm named after my grandfather
who was a holocaust survivor
and he came
he fled with my grandmother and my
mother which was four years old and he
died from stomach cancer at age 50
i think in 1952
and when my grandmother was a real
survivor died at age 98
in early 2000s
on on her grave my mother suddenly said
you know if he was buried next to my
grandfather my mother said you know your
grandfather had eight siblings five of
them were killed by hitler
this was never mentioned to us never
mentioned
and
because this was like put aside and this
is what he carried he couldn't digest it
in his stomach
and from i'm named after him i'm the
first child the first one in the next
generation of holocaust survivor and
since very early age despite doing much
martial arts and you're being a yoga
teacher i always had pressure in my
middle of my chest when i would touch i
mean i mean you can't see it if i stood
up you'll see like right here
it would always be extremely tender and
i knew that there is a deeper meaning
with it
and through my work so my meditation
works on my healing through the
transformation of patterns
i was able to connect with the holocaust
trauma that i was carrying from my
grandfather through epigenetics
and genetics
and a few years ago when i really
released it it's gone you know if you
look my chest is open now like it has
never been in my life this is scott
60 years later you know when i scoliosis
it totally opened but the amazing thing
when i transformed it
my mother
who could never watch tv programs about
the holocaust
was able to suddenly watch programs
without me mentioning to her
what i went through these are the
multi-generational healing so the limbic
system is one aspect of it
and these systems i mean
bruce eckhart has a remarkable neuro
psychological system called memory
reconsolidation
where you really change your memory
patterns
in integrative medicine it's about
healing the scars of survival so we heal
them psychologically we heal them
mentally we will them and we heal them
emotionally and we heal them physically
so for example
neural therapy you know dr klinger is
that is really brought into this country
it's an amazing system
you go and so i use it with homeopathic
with acupuncture with healing with my
bigger package
but
practically every
every patient that you inject a scar can
be 20 years old 30 40 50 years old scar
this car will always broken 45 minutes
of numbness and it's gone with some of
your pathetic but honestly it's probably
not a must
this car always gets smaller sometimes
by 10
sometimes by 60 70
but what's most amazing
it never comes back whatever you reduced
stay reduced how is this possible
so yeah people talk about membrane
potential they're getting lost in the
biochemistry basically you are cutting
the input
from the tissue to the limbic system to
the brain the narrow pathway that tells
the body contract there is a trauma
is numbed and the body regroups in a
different way
so psychologically it can be called
memory reconsolidation many systems
so we have to recognize in the book i go
over in depth into it so from my
perspective
it's very exciting that there are these
systems which are based on people with
their own healing experience
and
it deserves a word of warning okay when
somebody makes a system based on their
own experience it's always limited to
their own experience
and so if it didn't work for you it
doesn't mean that the approach
doesn't work
so
working with the mind
is like in
entering into a space that is
boundless boundless in time
and boundless in space
and i'm saying it as somebody who
was trained you know by the greatest
buddhist masters in the himalayas who
was their doctor who spent 10 years
during half day retreat 20 years two
months a year of retreat and continues
to study and practice every day and
teaches meditation and healing so
right now this whole approach of
reprogramming the limbic system is very
important why is it really relevant now
scott because we are under constant
state
of stress
so part of the melting of our fixation
of our habits
is melting
our isolation
melting our biofilm and what drives the
biofilm the skeleton of the biofilm is
galactin3 because it creates pentameters
into these pentameters you get all the
inflammatory compounds all the
other all the liposaccharides all the
oxidized glycolipids lycoprotein heavy
metals oxidize lipids and they create
this isolation this micro environment
where
mycotoxins can stay neurotoxins can hide
lime lime spores can hide viruses can
hide because everyone wants to survive
we want to survive and the spirochete
wants to survive
so when we melt this isolation
we give an opportunity for things to
change that's why for example a very
common feedback from lyme patient to
take a picture someone modifies it
respecting he says wow
we actually feel better when we are
doing it why because we are melting this
isolation we're not getting the regular
reactions you know
so yeah it's an amazing journey where
inflammation is just a symptom
you know it's really inflammation is the
movement inflammation is a kinetic
energy the survival response is really
what drives it and the big question is
where does the survival response come
from so let's dig into that more let's
talk more about galectin 3 then so in
the book you say the architect of the
survival response is galectin 3. we
talked about that in our prior interview
as well so how does this survival
protein lead to contraction to isolation
and to disease and can we think of
galectin iii as a measure of the state
of our alarm system or how hyper
vigilant our system is
yes so galactic 3 is our survival
protein it's a molecule that starts the
survival response that
embryonically it will help to generate
normal cells and during our life
it is it helps us to repair injuries and
survive through inflammation and
fibrosis so if you look at the role so
now we know that galactic 3 is a
causative factor we knew it's a
causative factor in the early mid 90s
when it was when when blocking it with
modified citrus pectin affected cancer
spread in animal models
and then
it got a lot of interest as a diagnostic
then i made some important discoveries
about its role in inflammation of
fibrosis and blocking it
and now it's clearly a causative factor
with a slew of
major papers so what happens if you look
at galactic three it's involved
practically it's got in every disease if
you look every organ
but interesting enough putting aside
cancer autoimmunity it is a big role in
infections in sepsis
i just published two landmark papers
with a large group of investigators one
of them considered the number one
uh expert ranked expert in the world in
sepsis aki from a critical care point of
view john kellum and we showed
that when we when when patients come to
the intensive care unit
with sepsis
with no pre-existing conditions no
pre-existing conditions so no
no kidney disease no heart disease no
cancer the level of galactin3 at time of
admission will determine who later on
will get acute kidney injury
and who will die
when we took the most acceptable animal
model which is called red
cl clp sickle
ligation puncture
we had over 60 mortality
when when we
during the during the process but when
we gave them the mcp a week before we
couldn't give it after
the mortality went down to 20 percent
the rise in interleukin-6 was completely
attenuated and we showed the same thing
in another aki model with with perfusion
injury like you don't get enough blood
and then the blood comes back very much
will happen right when you don't breathe
when there is no oxygen even for a short
time
so there are some amazing studies now
showing animal studies for example that
if you create an injury in the kidney
galactic 3 goes up it travels to the
heart
and it will create heart fibrosis damage
to the heart muscle
so for example so and
if you use mice that don't produce
galactin3 it will not happen or you
block it without mcp but
when you take such a mice we cannot
produce galactic three and you inject
bone marrow just bone marrow
who can produce galactin three the
injury in the kidneys will send a
message to the bone marrow the galactic
injury will then travel
to the heart and cause heart damage and
that's the kidney hard relationship that
so many people die from so in kovid
40 percent of patients hospitalized with
copper have aki
50 of them will die
so galactic 3 is the driver if you asked
me and it wasn't the same thing 15 20
years ago what is the most important
supplement everybody needs to take every
day of their life i will tell you with
no doubt not because i'm involved with
it modifies retrospective because
galactin3 drives aging and drive chronic
disease
and
drives this imbalanced cytokinesis
and addressing it if you have symptoms
and you don't have symptoms if is of
huge importance
so if we wanted to look at our level of
galectin 3 are the existing tests that
you can get through let's say lab core
for example are they sensitive enough
and is there a certain
range not necessarily out of range but a
more optimal range for supporting health
this is a great i can't tell you how
good is this question because the normal
levels
from lab coat are based on a study on
congestive heart failure
where abnormal is either above 17.8 or
above 22. when somebody is
when somebody has a galactic 3 or 17.8
you are really worried
so
as someone who probably tested more
galactic 3 than anyone
i'm less relying on galactic 3 for my
recommendation and the reason is
first of all they are different between
the different platforms if it's still a
manual platform or an automated platform
you get different levels i know it from
my experience but also because of the
different expression of mmp 9 of
metalloproteinases some people have more
pentameters and some people have more
monomers now the galactic 3 antibodies
m338 that reads galatians 3 level will
read one if there are five of them or
one of them
so you can have more monomers you'll get
a higher number of galactic three
but actually it's not that you have more
you know you're sorry you'll get a lower
number because five of them are already
as one so really
who should address galactic three every
one now when would you look at
collecting three
one
if you find elevated galactic three with
no explanation you've got to look for a
fibrotic or inflammatory process two
when you find that a patient's symptoms
relate to changes in galactic three
let's say cancer metastasizes more
galatian three goes up
they get better galactic3 goes down then
you can follow up on it
and three from a balancing act when you
look at galactic three in relationship
to crp
to tgf better
but basically
a addressing electing three is essential
because
it's really our starting molecule our
starting signal for so many diseases
it's a true
undressing galactic three is a true act
of supporting longevity
so does
reduction of galectin 3 through the use
of modified citrus pectin does that
commonly lead to a decline in tgf beta 1
as well oh yeah absolutely in fact
sometimes you will not see a reduction
in galactic in three
because
galactic three is not eliminated it is
just blocked by by by by modified
perspective so it cannot act the
pentamer gets broken down and you will
see a reduction in tgf better definitely
so if we talk more about these chronic
infections you talk about isolation
formations where galectin iii creates
these micro environments the pathogens
then can hijack galactan 3 to create a
shield that allows them to then evade
other therapeutic agents or
interventions or supplements or
antimicrobials
so is this different from a biofilm and
is it the case that galectin iii is
actually playing a role in the formation
of the biofilm
no galactic plays a critical role in the
formation of biofilm and we know it we
know that the bacteria uses galactin3 to
create a biofilm especially aggressive
bacteria and attach
to the intestinal wall for example we
know that
that modifies it respecting
enhances antibiotic
in this
cell cephalosporin it helps to fight
infections it's a prebiotic so
definitely galactin3 is the backbone of
the biofilm we pay attention to
different compounds but
it's really like it's really like the
bus that takes different compounds and
brings them to different places but
through the pentameter structure that we
know we know the structures through five
of them are touching through ligands and
creating this shield the galactans we
can create a micro environment that
allows a bacteria to survive and kovid
is a phenomenal example and
unfortunately i wrote when the corbet
started and i told people you gotta take
modifies it respecting
because it will regulate the cytokine
storm it has been my research for
decades
but remember the concept of the survivor
protein well guess what
the spiking protein of the kovid who
also wants to survive
is practically identical
to galactin three the n-terminal
so and where do we have the highest
density of galacto-3 receptors in the
body in our lungs
so
when you use something like modified to
prospecting you are reducing the
inflammatory response of infections such
as kobe
and you can also neutralize
galax is the spiking protein in general
and they were
we try to get clinical trials we're not
able because you know farmer controls
this field
but a very important paper from from
mexico city from a colleague of mine
that we did some research in harvard
when she was there we published some
papers she took a significant number of
patients who came to the er with corbyn
and regardless of this of the lung
involvement of how sick they were when
they came the the level of galactic
three at time of admission
determines the severity of the patient
who will go to the icu and who will die
same thing
so we have to remember we are not the
only ones who want to survive
covet want to survive our microbiome
wants to survive and that's the balance
between harmony
and fighting that's transforming the
survival paradox and that's the value of
the microbiome
looking at this at it from a point of
view of interdependent relationship
between all the
habitats of the microbiome some say up
to 100 trillion
and our body and ourselves there is a
mutual support there's a mutual you know
in hebrew we say
mutual guarantee
and this happens you know if you and so
it's very important in line you know my
approach if somebody has acute lyme
first i will use antibiotics but for
chronic lyme
the last thing i want to hear is that a
patient got antibiotic therapy because
you have put them in a defensive
survival mode these are patients are
very very hard to to heal and when i
talk about lime i talk about completely
healing like going back to life
because
if you didn't
disrupt the whole balance you have a
chance to get to harmony and it's not
that antibiotic won't help chronic
patients but they won't really
completely heal you see they get better
and then they relapse the real healers
are the ones who really didn't get
antibiotics
for too long
so this is a very important
understanding
and
we have to understand
our defense mechanism our boundaries
that we talked about and
the relationship
within our body and without our body and
i want to explain one word on this
you know we tend to overlook the fact
that we have i don't know why they say
37.5 let's round to 50. 50
trillion cells in our body it's got 50
trillion thousand
times thousand times thousand times
fifty
and each cell
has
i didn't know it you know how many we
actually need sellers every second
take okay between hundreds and thousands
and one million reactions a second can
you imagine
so you got 50 trillion with one million
reaction a second and the body works
together
because the cell know it has its role
it comes into life
it functions and then it lets go
right yet at the same time every cell
has a boundary every cell has a membrane
they decide what goes in and what goes
out and i'm going to expand on it it's
very important with with every disease
with that with a little bit of time the
mind and philosophy and spirituality and
physiology and health so
within this when a cell decides that it
doesn't want to die it goes into a
survival mode
and it says well how am i going to not
die i'm going to get a message to die
from the outside i'll create a micro
environment and i will create my own
colony and give myself my own blood
supply and attack the environment how do
we call it we call it cancer or it goes
and attack a distant organ
we call it autoimmune disease which you
write it's triggered by infections by
toxins by abnormal survival response so
in this sense
every organ if you look at our body down
to the cell
every cell wants to survive the cell
takes nourishment
and let's go of what it doesn't want
that's detoxification and nourishment
and in the changes in the membrane you
have transformation the only organ that
functions differently is our heart
the survival of the heart requires for
the heart to take everything that
everyone didn't want
all the byproducts
all the suffering all the negativity
from the cell that they don't want the
heart takes it it connects to the
universe with the breath
and the heart gives it without
discrimination what i mean without
discrimination
the aorta is a stiff
artery it gives blood everywhere and who
does the heart nourish its first
the heart first nourishes itself through
the coronary arteries so the heart
nourishes itself in order to nourish
others
and this part of nourishing others and
that's
the transformative role of the heart and
the reason why i want to plug it in this
moment
because this takes the work with the
limbic system to another level
because when you work with changing
habits and mental habits
which is very useful we look at the
movement of mindfulness mindfulness is
extremely beneficial because everybody
is
rushing
but mindfulness is a system of effort
there is somebody mindful of something
and every effort has a limitation
the heart flows with no limitations so
it's really the movement from
mindfulness to heartfulness
that allows us the true transformation
the true freedom
and that's
taking meditation to another level that
is not easy to come by
and for from this point of view
mindfulness is really create a great
basis for this and that's what we do
during during my retreats when i work
with people and you can see cancer
markers getting better you can see
traumas going away you can see
epigenetic effects melting your way
because everything changes all the time
that's really the amazing journey of
healing
one of my goals in doing this podcast is
to give people hope and so just kind of
predicting how some people might
interpret your comments about
antibiotics making it more difficult to
recover from chronic lyme i i think what
you're saying is if that's the sole
focus of your treatment then the chances
are you will ultimately relapse but if
you then start to incorporate a lot of
the tools that we're talking about in
this conversation look at things more
holistically i don't think you're
suggesting that because someone did
antibiotics that they cannot recover
correctly absolutely not absolutely not
i know no i don't think i ever told you
my tick-bone disease story
you know and
you know i mean i cannot mention it
because it kind of
so when i decided to come to california
to study chinese medicine in 1988 i came
to check chinese medicine school and we
went to clear lake the day before i flew
back with some friends
and
the next i've never been in clear like
since i think and the next morning
i said hey i want to meditate for an
hour outside then when i got on the
plane i had stiffneck
when i landed in israel i had 40 fever
104.
my liver enzymes were at the thousands
close to ten thousand
luckily one of my mentors in medical
school
amazing internist they had a nurse in
the icu with a rickettsial disease
they actually took a drop of my blood
and they did exactly did what you call
like dark field microscopy that you do
whole you know you actually do it in
medicine also and they recognize a rare
rickettsia called rickettsia konori
nobody in the 88 it wasn't documented
okay of course lyme was around nobody
knew
and i bet you had all the other diseases
and luckily for me
doxycycline for two weeks didn't work
so they gave me they gave me synthomycin
clearance and nicole which can suppress
the bone marrow it's not used anymore
it's illegal for two more weeks
and i think these four weeks
saved me and i remember i was so sick
not getting better you know people
thought what my god and then one of my
students
called me said isaac where's your mind
and i remember i just sat and i said a
switch and i snapped out of it and it
took me you know
15 years
that whenever i was stressed in a
survival mode
i would get scot this thirst where i
could re drink a gallon of water and it
won't be enough in flushing and could
fill the liver and you know and it
healed so
absolutely we always have choices no
matter what we have done we just have to
allow ourselves to explore
different venues
in a discriminative way but without bias
without a preconceived idea because
preconceived ideas are limiting and
limitations
is part of the survival response
it's part of having an opinion
so we've talked about chronic illness
that it has a chronic inflammatory
component in some cases that can be
driven from pathogens and others it can
be environmental toxicants that are all
protected in these biofilms and so they
can continue to stimulate the immune
system so that that inflammatory switch
never switches off even at low levels
that can continue to keep that
inflammation kind of primed there are
people now that are using spms or pro
resolving mediators as well and so i'm
wondering if targeting the reduction of
galactin three can that lead to flipping
that inflammatory switch to the off
position and where do things like spms
fit into the conversation you know uh
it's
yeah absolutely and the thing is that
inflammation is really what drives aging
in this micro inflammation
you know this
subclinical inflammation it's really
the culprit and it's definitely driven
by galactin3 so integrating it into
other methods
is is extremely important you know this
also ties into the whole idea of emfs
you know and the ionizing and on
ionizing radiation and some scientists
will say we can't prove a direct damage
well
it's not about the direct immediate
damage it's about the ongoing
slow
cooking of the membranes of the
extracellular metrics you know it is so
important so in order for the cell to
get better the extracellular matrix is
to change the macrophages to turn away
from being inflammatory galactin3 drives
m2m1 inflammatory macrophage
inflammatory macrophage will excrete
galactin3
so whatever is your regimen if it's
antibiotics if it's different
supplements if it's emotional work
if you add if you address galactin3 you
will always get better results because
you're allowing the medicine to get to
the places where it's not getting
and you're moving the tissue from a
survival response to a relaxed response
that is more efficient that is more
regenerate usually usually there is
synergism between mcp and pretty much
everything
because what it does
it allows the body to address what's
needed to be addressed and we also look
into the process of detoxification
so it allows it to be addressed on the
biochemical physiological structural way
and then with our mind with our
intention
we allow it to be addressed with what we
want to change you know that's very
important in the preparatory phase of
the of detoxification so you brought up
the emf piece i wonder is there a
connection between electromagnetic field
exposure and the level of galectin iii
does that potentially lead to a rise in
galectin-3 and is it possible that
reducing galectin-3 then might make some
people less sensitive to emf exposure
it's especially important for reducing
the side effects and probably also for
for
for for for the reduction of exposure
and the reason is that the results of
all this micro inflammation is fibrosis
dysfunction fibroids no no oxygen tissue
gets inflamed and galactic 3 drives
fibrotic it's a pro fibrotic agent so
absolutely so you know for example i
developed a product called cellular
shield specifically for emfs but
initially i developed it because i i'm
flying a lot and people are not aware
that the most powerful radiation is
cosmic radiation in the planes
so i created it as a preparation so in
order to reduce oxidative stress so yes
when you take galactic 3 you reduce the
abnormal metabolic pathways
that are being
that are being disrupted by emf and then
and then
intracellularly you can help through
dietary changes like you know like
through a
low glycemic index
through through promoting autophagy and
cleanup that's the value of intermittent
fasting through a metformin or honokiol
or berberine
an ocul is the king of them because it
can differentiate a normal cell from an
abnormal cell based on p53 and it can
behave differently so absolutely we have
the intracellular effects and we have
the greater environmental effect outside
the cell where galactin3 is driving it
and modifies it respecting health yes so
the answer is yes an emf yeah the emf is
not just the emf it's just the speed of
reactivity that we are required to
really live in you know if we don't
answer a text in 20 seconds somebody you
know gets upset
yeah i remember you know when i used to
go to retweets like
i didn't have in the smartphone until
2010
and it will show a mistake to get one
but i would go and retweet for eight
weeks and i would have like a satellite
phone and i would go to the top of the
mountain every three weeks and turn it
on and make one phone call and if there
were any patient issues then i'll go
back for three weeks and now i mean no
way i can do it i mean
how does an individual survival focus
potentially make us sick why is it
important to create greater social
connection and to create community and
how do you suggest building connection
and community in a world that doesn't
always make that so easy
wow
you know
one day i was a i was working in our
field we have we live out of town and
and my
my older daughter who is an ordained
buddhist lama we were talking about the
conflict in the middle east
and he was telling me daddy
until every jewish israeli won't feel
the pain that the palestinians have and
until the palestinians don't feel the
pain that the jewish people have we
won't have peace
so it's really about this ability to
understand that we are a community we're
interdependent so scott we're talking
about the biofilm today we talked about
the sales but let's talk about ourselves
so when i teach
for decades i've been teaching a diagram
that looks at the time
time from the past coming to now
you know what what we have done in the
past even in this life like trauma like
limbic pattern and also a little bit
harder to understand time from the
future coming backward
but
what happens
we are
we are
what we experience now is a combination
of our genetic makeup
and our epigenetic makeup there's a
beautiful saying that talmudic saying in
the in hebrews it says
which means everything is predetermined
but we have the choice
the predetermined is a genetics
the choice is the epigenetics so if we
look at ourselves
and let's say every generation is every
25 years
and we go back 1500 years we get to an
infinite number
so infinite number of genetic
information made us each of us and there
is not the theoretical mathematical
possibility that each person living on
this earth
at some point in the past had a mutual
parent sibling relative it's impossible
it's infinite numbers so we all have
this interdependence
and we realize it when we have less of a
self-focus then the survival individual
survival
start to melt
survival still exists
but now it becomes survival of the
community a little bit bigger
but then within the community we still
have to listen to each other right like
united states right now the world is so
divisive
so much in the right left vaccine no
vaccine no no
there is no no dialogue no tolerance and
why there's no tolerance because each
person is reacting from a survival place
and so when you do for example with
mindfulness you slow down
and you make the survival response be
different more tolerant with limbic
training you get the same
but the real level of transformation and
when you realize everything is free
everything is free everything is
changeable
nothing is permanent that's the only
truth we have that everything changes
when we tap into this which is not easy
that's when true transformation happens
and part of it yes is a mutual respect
mutual support
open heart it's the most powerful
healing tool and you know what
it's within each of us because all of us
have a heart so physiologically the
heart knows how to do it
because we physiologically can do it
it's much easier to learn
to connect with our heart than to change
for example
mind meditation techniques why because
our heart is already doing it
physiologically we just step into the
movement of transformation from dirty
blood into clean my blood through
connection with the universe and we put
the emotional psychological cycle
spiritual understanding
and then tolerance love and compassion
become our responsiveness
instead of anger struggle fight that
becomes our reactivity the difference
between responsiveness
to reactivity wow
that's a lot
i know i know well you know i mean
good stuff when i rated the topics you
were talking about wow i mean there's a
lot let's talk just for a minute coming
back to the conversation around aerobic
metabolism versus anaerobic metabolism
or glycolysis you mentioned that it can
lead to lactic acid that that impacts
our mitochondria which is the key to
essentially energy production for
everything in the body can be at the
root of many chronic diseases how do we
get the body out of anaerobic glycolysis
and back to aerobic metabolism
so
a lot of what we talked about we have to
take a deep breath
so a deep breath from a
nervous
shifting to a parasympathetic place
so let's talk for a moment about it and
then i'll get to to the stuff that you
want to know more about metabolically so
it's hard for for us to recognize the
space between thoughts because one
thought leads to another thoughts a
reaction to reaction but what is easier
for us
is to recognize that after we exhale
passively
there is a small gap
before we inhale
so when we meditate when we try to pay
attention and we breathe deep we want to
pay attention to the exhalation
and can you know we let go
and then this small gap
between the exhalation and inhalation we
just rest and our being expands
when we do this when we create space and
people can feel it
people with chronic fatigue with
fibromyalgia suddenly there is space in
the tissue when there is space in the
tissues there's no pain
pain is an alarm that something is going
on so that's the value of creating the
space
and so we so the same thing happened in
the cell when our mitochondria is
functioning normally
when when we have the right nutrients
you know pdh needs thiamine and lipoic
acid
and
when we are not driven by by too much
sugars
which is really what you sugar you eat
it and you get a spike it's an immediate
reactivity of energy
when things don't go up and down insulin
that doesn't get messed up and cortisol
there is more
sense of spaciousness the body is time
to produce energy in an efficient way
the antioxidative systems can clean the
oxidative stress glutathione is working
properly
when we get into a place of stress of
glycolysis
that's when things mess up get messed up
and that's the value what you asked
about autophagy
the intermittent fasting gives the body
a break
to take a rest and clean up the mess and
that's why intermittent fasting is such
value
and there are so many different
protocols some people do it every day
some people they can do like a day two
weeks when little bit longer because you
got to drain your
your glycogen reserves so you start
creating some changes
and
it is as
fundamentally different from ketogenic
diet you know so it's important to
understand so let's talk a little bit
more about modified citrus pectin if we
know that galectin-3 is unhealthy and
we're looking to block galectin-3's
expression with something like modified
citrus pectin the difference between
regular pectin as i understand it is it
doesn't necessarily get absorbed into
the bloodstream at all where the
modified citrus pectin does get absorbed
and has more of a systemic effect and so
i'm wondering is there any potential
benefit in the future to having a
liposomal modified citrus pectin
no and not
not really because it's a carbohydrate
so it gets very well absorbed you know
it's not lipid it's not lipid soluble
it's water soluble so
actually it will probably interfere
and you don't want it to just
penetrating into cells what what we have
shown with our modified citrospecting is
that it does get absorbed into the blood
we actually
we we actually used a
fluorescent antibodies to a
to the specific molecules and were able
to show and we know that half-life is
about eight to ten hours maybe 12 even
so
there is no need to
and
we know there is lasting effect for
example from the animal uh
from the animal
studies
uh that even giving it before
the injury it affected the outcome of
sepsis
so
yeah it's really now on our modified
respecting the i think over 75 published
papers we just got accepted
in any day i think even i expect in the
next few days will be published in
nutrient which is one of the better
nutritional peer review journals almost
impact factor seven i think and i'm the
last author of a multiple center trial
in the the effect of our mcp in
recurrent prostate cancer with
phenomenal results people will see it in
the literature
and is there when we're using mcp i i
don't really think of it as much of a
binder as having a lot of these other
properties that you talk about i know
with more traditional binders like
charcoal people say you need to keep it
a couple hours away from food and and
away from supplements and medications
and so on so how forgiving can we be
with mcp can we just throw it in a
smoothie can we take it with other
things or do we need to separate it in a
protocol you can be completely
forgiving it's my assumption before i
did the studies on absorption that i
thought it can be separated it does not
need to be separated we are changing our
whole strategy formally even before i
say 10-15 minutes before food it's a
very powerful
binder of heavy metals it can attach to
lead like nothing else
in mercury and uranium i mean we've
published all of this and we've seen
increased
excretion in the urine so you got
something which is the pre proven
published not too many of them
heavy metal chelator
which in the same time reduces
inflammation
and the abnormal immune response that is
created by all of these toxins and
that's why it's such a
mega compound to be used with other with
other substances
definitely
and and i was interested earlier as well
when you talked about mcp also as a
prebiotic that it also potentially can
help
support the microbiome support the
beneficial bacteria in our gut and if i
understood correctly that mcp might
itself have some antimicrobial
properties so when we're in this realm
of lyme and chronic infections and
potentially a damaged microbiome from
prior antibiotics and so on talk to us
just a little bit more about how mcp
might support the microbiome but also
might help with some of these chronic
infections
yeah so mcp
i think we have five or six papers most
of them with the usda
is showing the prebiotic equalities of
mcp how it helps to regulate the
microbiome it promotes the growth of
healthy bacteria and it inhibits the
growth
of abnormal bacteria like like stuff
stuff arrows for example
how by by melting
the biofilm by not allowing the bacteria
to hide the body has a lot of healing
capacity you know in the book as you
know i
there are dozens of stories of amazing
patients how they healed but the body
needs to have the chance to heal and if
the bacteria can hide and create its own
micro environment
then it's how to really get to it
so what the mcp does it opens it exposes
the bacteria and then it can change it
can enhance the immune response one of
the thing with galactic 3
is that
galactic 3 will suppress
so glitter 3 will cause
t cell mortality apoptosis
into a
normal cytokines will go down
and it will inhibit the transformation
of a b-cell to a plasma cell so we can
produce antibodies
so you know for example i have some some
cases of people let's say post a post
vaccine
post a side effect or vaccine
where significant side effects and no
antibodies zero
and then i get to tweet them mcp is a
leading compound
and they get better
and six months later and when they just
came like six months later
they show up with antibodies against
covet six months later after not having
it why because we reduce the
inflammation and we allow the b cells
you know to really
turn into plasma cells and produce
antibodies so that's the beauty of
harmony
of harmonizing and modulating the immune
response we know for example in cancer
that if galactin3 levels are elevated
pdl1 inhibitors will not
work
in a non-small cell lung cancer they
will not respond
and it's well known merc knows it you
know that ketudah doesn't respond there
are amazing graphs you see
there is no response tumor will come
keeps on growing so why because the
tumor creates a micro environment it
escapes
and it uses galatian three to evade the
immune system
that's why it's really a galactic three
is really quite the ingredient nobody
expected it
you know i i collaborate with avraham
raj which really is the father of mcp
and in lectins from the late 80s we
published a very important paper
together and you know and we really when
we talk we say no no nobody expected
this to be so big until suddenly i i had
this sense of inflammation and fibrosis
i realized wow it's much bigger than
cancer it's really driving this
this this process and then
it crystallized into this idea of being
the survivor protein
you've talked about the role of galectin
galectin-3 in cancer so we understand
that modified citrus pectin could be a
good adjunct in cancer therapy i want to
shift though a little bit into how
commonly do you see emotional trauma as
a contributor to cancer and how
important in your work with your
patients is exploring and releasing past
traumas in order to improve or
potentially move past the cancer
condition completely
it's
extremely important it's well
published you know a lot of the work on
mind body cancer was done by a dear
friend of mine
lorenzo cohen from md anderson who's a
brilliant guy
and also
very
very s
spiritual
capacity because when we work on our
emotion when we work on our traumas we
shift this survival response and cancer
is the classical survival response and
there are so many studies really
really really show it you know so i
addressing the emotional part the
psychological part is very important and
it's not it's not always easy
and it's not always what we think it is
and that's part of allowing whatever is
there to arise
you know when i talk about meditation
i
one of my favorite saying is meditation
is not what we experience
is our relationship with what we
experience
so whatever arises for us whatever
emotion how we react to the emotion
that's where the survival response is
abnormal and that's what needs to
to to really be shifted
and one of the issues part of this the
oncology system
is that it's so driven by uh
by crisis management by uh
bias by by really by heightened survival
for good reasons that it's not easy
to really
shift and in the book you know
the chapter on cancer because what i do
is the largest chapter from the
conditions i tell some really amazing
stories about patient it's really how
they
overcame and changed change the outcome
and how they transformed
emotionally mentally and healed and some
people can heal and the disease goes
away and some people heal and they still
die but they still healed we all die one
day you know our way and that's why the
healing journey is an amazing journey
another tool for reducing galectin iii
is one that you and i took a personal
journey through together many years ago
that is apheresis i believe you were the
first person doing that in the united
states and so i'm interested in having
you share a little bit about how
apheresis is a health supporting tool
and then how has it advanced or evolved
since we work together about eight years
ago
so therapeutic affordance is a
fascinating powerful underused tool
where we take the blood it's similar to
dialysis but a little bit fancier very
safe we separate the cells from the
plasma and we filter the plasma and in
the united states the devices use them
are ldl phrases for taking out
inflammatory lipids lda lipoprotein a
which is very important c reactive
proteins some fibrinogen and many of the
growth factors like tgf beta vgf are
being removed and only a little bit of
galactic in 3 10 15
and what we do in our process so it's
really something i specialize in and
you know in a unique way
and
so during the process we enhance
the detoxification process during the
arthritis
on a research basis
i'm i'm actually working on developing a
column for just removing galactic three
just collecting three a few micrograms
you know you can't even see it and we
know from our studies it will just it
shifts the outcome because you block the
inflammatory process
from the beginning
in a dramatic way so the beauty of a
pherosis and it kind of relates to what
we talked about is that we take our
blood
and for a determined amount of time it
can be hours days our blood is the way
it used to be when we were like
teenagers totally cleaned
totally in you
and what it allows a little bit similar
like the limbic system it allows us to
regroup it allows us to reorganize in a
different way so i'm finding it more and
more beneficial specifically scott
for mold exposure
where you just people just cannot get
rid of it but mold you know it's sticky
now it's flame it's lipid soluble
and
the arthritis just pulls out the mold
toxins in a very significant way
and so people with mold exposure
it's not always but sometimes it's truly
dramatic
truly dramatic with the caveat being of
course that people still need to address
the source of their mold in their water
damage building right yeah
we're always looking for the work around
there absolutely so that's the idea we
give them a chance
to address it because
you know
they really get a window when they don't
have to fight this enormous amount of
toxicity
and then they get a chance to
recalibrate it's all about
a about yeah you know and i i personally
always do a phrases myself it helps me
to to address some of my issue and
recalibrate yeah it's a remarkable
process that is highly underused what
i'm doing on a research level and that's
why i'm
considered a disruptor in the field is
usually afraid is used for is esoteric
if you gillian beret
graf versus us
homozygous hypercholesterolemia
we are developing our method
method for sepsis and aki
500 000 death 4 million cases a year
no treatment
so we are really taking something
simple and powerful and we're going to
apply it to
incurable
very very common
health conditions now what we find when
we address galactin3
that we can really help
chronic kidney disease really especially
if it's not end and end stage if
somebody stage four three b
they already have significant reduction
in in kidney function but they still
have energy in the kidney the kidney
from my perspective there's enough
inflammation it's not totally fibrotic i
see this patient turning around
that that was actually my next question
you talk about in the book that kidney
disease impacts 14 of the population 38
over age 65 that there can be impairment
of blood flow autoimmunity infections
chemicals medications that this can be a
damaging mechanism where inflammation
and fibrosis are really being driven by
galectin-3 and so i'm wondering
taking that stage four type scenario out
is it possible that in many of these
cases that stopping the inflammation
stopping that fibrotic process can lead
to a reversal of the kidney condition
and an improvement of kidney function
kidney health at one level or another
i've seen it in every single patient
some of them is a little bit some i
don't appreciate like let somebody with
an autoimmune nephropathy with egfl6
they are supposed to really be in
dialysis they deteriorate really fast
they come and they bring them up to nine
now if you showed it to a nephrologist
they will say you're crazy it's
impossible
you know but the ones who have early on
who come like at state three when it's
mainly vascular
you can do one or two afferenties and
give them mcp and you see
it turning around and then you know and
then it will hold for a year or two the
pattern is there they may have to repeat
one more time
kidney chronic kidney disease
is a treatable condition if i get my
colon if i go through the developmental
and fda approval first of all i got to
tackle aki sepsis too many people are
dying 11 million a year but my next
topic
is going after ckd because these are
people who are robbed of their life you
know
i mean often it's post aki post surgery
sometimes it's not diabetes hypertension
it's the most common but suddenly
they're on dialysis there's no no no
quality of life these are treatable
conditions these are treatable and if i
get a chance i will demonstrate it i can
see it with with my work now i know that
with the right of phrases it can turn
around i've seen enough enough cases
myself
in the
lyme disease mold arena looking at
babesia heavy metals i think of
hypercoagulation as a significant player
in these conditions i also tend to think
of hypercoagulation as maybe a
slightly lesser
presentation of of a biofilm that
hypercoagulation and biofilms are
somewhat associated we get this
thickened blood the viscosity of the
blood then also leads to
lowered oxygen and nutrient delivery and
less ability to remove toxins and waste
from the system and so is there a
connection between hyper coagulation and
galectin iii you know i don't have to
tell you everybody who knows you are
really smart it's really
in the same box
hyper viscosity
arteriosclerotic plaque
is a biofilm it's just made
of galactin three
who creates the beta and it creates of
different lipids and calcium exactly the
same and we know sometimes bacteria high
there same hyper viscosity the same
mechanism for example galactic 3
will bring
blood vessel growth will allow
thrombocytes to
to adhere will allow will allow them to
attach to the blood vessel cell and
create a plaque so absolutely it's all
interrelated it's all interrelated and
one of the compound that is
one of the markers that is overlooked
now with the psk9 there's more interest
is lipoprotein a lava protein a is nasty
and unfortunately the only thing that
really takes it out is is the arthritis
the three it removes most of it
and it's really a silent killer you talk
about detoxification as being so
critical in recovering from these
complex chronic conditions i've always
thought about detoxification and
drainage probably from my mentoring with
dr dietrich klinghardt that that's such
an important thing for us to look at and
what's interesting in this conversation
with galectin 3 is it has a role in
affecting the kidneys it has a role in
affecting the liver so you know these
critical detoxification organs that we
have it sounds to me like we can
unburden them by reducing galectin-3 so
that they then have more ability to
focus on detoxification of other things
that are going on in the body so i'd
like you to comment about that and then
is galectin-3 if we look at the liver is
it playing a role in
non-alcoholic fatty liver disease for
example or non-alcoholic
steatohepatitis disease for example talk
to us about the connection between the
liver and collecting through when we
look at the detoxification process
it has multiple parts the first part is
preparation
so when do we detoxify we detoxify every
time our exhalation is twice as long in
our inhalation so we detoxify more than
we nourish we spend more time
exhaling
than inhaling
so that's the process that goes all the
way in this sense you're so right if we
address galactin3
we both reduce the inflammation on the
tissue level that produces
toxic byproducts and we help all the
eliminating organs lungs ipf relates
relates to galactic three kidneys relate
to galactic three and of course liver
relates to galactic we will get within a
moment so
now within this process we go during our
life if we have time and opportunity
through a more targeted detoxification
when do we do it
if we after a disease after treatment or
from a seasonal point of view in the
fall and in the spring and
detoxification is a different flavor in
the spring and the fall i won't go into
it right now
so
for the ones who are detoxifying
before we detoxify
let's take a moment and think what do we
want to detoxify what do you want to get
rid of
physically toxic emotionally pattern
obstacles you just prepare yourself
then we need to expose
what we want to detoxify to expose we
have to melt the biofilm we have to melt
the lattice formation mcp plays a key
role then
we have to bind and again mcp plays a
key role in other binders because mcp
will also bind systemically like mcp
will dissolve the the
the arteriosclerotic plaque they are
close to 20 different animal studies
showing that all kind of
arteriosclerosis heart kidneys aortic
stenosis when you give our mcp it
improves it reverses the damage okay
so
and then of course we have to support
the phase one phase two liver
detoxification the phase one and phase
two is between discharge and elimination
we throw all the garbage from the
kitchen
drawers on the floor
and then we have to be able to clean it
the cleanup is all this elimination
organ that you mentioned so yes we have
to support them and that's why
mcp is so important specifically for
liver
galactic iii plays a key role
in nash
in fact there are there's a drug
that past phase two and is in phase
three it had some side effects uh so i
don't know if it would get approved but
there's a lot of interest
in nash
with with a with galactic three blockers
and it's definitely an area where mcp
can be of great a great benefit
and
i'm happy that you brought it up because
people are not aware right so many
people are not aware of non-alcoholic
everybody thinks hepatitis c i mean it's
a much bigger hundred
hundred million people you know and
i mean the percent of population united
states that has either the early state
or or nash is is insane it's really the
untalked about epidemic right now you
talk about
neurodegenerative diseases like
parkinson's alzheimer's als that these
conditions generally have high levels of
oxidative stress high levels of
inflammation from the host immune
response that also then leads to lower
blood supply to the brain eventually
possibly brain damage in some cases how
does galectin-3 fit into the
neurodegenerative disease conversation
and does galectin 3 play a role in the
formation of amyloid plaques or in
microglial-driven inflammation or even
in the loss of blood-brain barrier
integrity
all of the above in short answer if you
look at the it's a
it's the alzheimer pluck the
concentration of galactic 3 is 20 fold
compared to
normal neural tissue if you look at
studies where you you cut
you cut the spine and create you create
damage or you look at lps
lipopolysaccharide induce narrow
inflammation and you give a given mcp
you attenuate the response
you stop the inflammatory response so
how is it
the microglia in the brain
okay and the astrocytes are the unique
relationships
there are the cleanup cells
they are very similar to the macrophage
in our circulation there really is a
macrophage of the brain so just like
electricity stimulates macrophage to be
inflammatory galactic will stimulate
microglia
to go out of control
and to cause damage
so you will see galactic3 involved with
alzheimer's with parkinson with pretty
much every neuroinflammatory disease and
it will also disrupt the blood-brain
barrier the other compound that works
very well with mcp
specifically because it has an
intracellular effect and has a great
penetration to the to the brain is
hornochion so mcp honorable is a great
pair to use together
to address narrow inflammation one of my
favorite topics is the extracellular
matrix very few people ever talk about
that again i think i learned about it
from dietrich klinghardt
you've already mentioned the matrix in
this conversation but i want to look at
it maybe from a slightly different
perspective which is talk to us about
the importance of exploring what we want
to let go of from a mind-body
perspective and how our mental and
emotional health may impact our
detoxification capacity on a physical
level so if we have a encumbered or or
burdened extracellular matrix can there
be a mental emotional contributor to why
that is the case yes so a huge one
and you know in in buddhist meditation
there is a practice called the
tonglen
and if you where you take suffering and
pain and you exchange it with love and
compassion which is really what the
heart does
and one of the inside that i had that i
it was going to be in my second book was
going to be my first book which i wrote
in hebrew called open heart medicine i
am teaching about how to do this it
wasn't taught before inside our body so
we have a way to harvest all these
traumas
to bring them to our heart
and to transform them and when we do
this
we work on the extracellular matrix and
then we get into the cells because it's
the same dialogue between discharge and
elimination that you talked about the
organs it's the same dialogue between
the cell and the environment
you can't allow a cell to discharge too
much to them
to the metrics without the metrics being
functional
that's again why you got to melt this
lattice formations because otherwise
you're going to get the toxins released
from the cells and they're going to get
stuck
in the micro environment that's where
people get healing crises when they do
detox it's really not a necessity you
know so we need to keep the flow going
we need to prevent
when when we look about flow
when the
uneven blood flow like you mentioned
hyper viscosity when there is turbulence
you get inflammation
what is the opposite of movement
it's death it's lack of movement what is
it medically it's called fibrosis
the tissue is rigid it's not moving it's
not changing so we got to address
the metrics we got to address the
connective tissue
and
no cancer is very smart cancer utilizes
cells in the connective tissue to rob
energy to make exchange of energy
as part of manipulating the environment
as part of creating the micro
environment but if we expose a micro
environment if we open it up
we cancel this
this risk we mitigate it
and that's the value
like
when i teach meditation
and again to the more advanced students
and once they have some basic tools
then we go and we experience the somatic
power
of
of really the power of the heart you
know what i'm going to stand for a
second and i'll show it to you so the
people can see so after you meditate
we're going to skip it you just put your
hands
on your heart
and you feel the heat of the heart and
the heat of the hands pericardium eight
where the heart opens and for some
people it's the first time they connect
with this amazing heat of the heart
and you just let it flow wherever it
needs
and you will feel the heat of the heart
going everywhere in your body
healing whatever is needed
so that's called that just a taste but
when we do this in this part of
meditation and healing we do it through
different generation cycles chinese
medicine seasonal visualization
and because we what we don't recognize
the largest electromagnetic field in our
body comes from our heart hundred times
greater than our head so we focus on
mindfulness and thinking no no no it's
good but it's minimized it's
self-focused
the heart electromagnetic field of the
heart at every given second gets to
every cell in our body but more than
this
it goes to people around us
we have a heart-to-heart connection it's
not a theory
and that's why
the value of the heart healing itself
the value of the heart healing us and
healing our communities and it's really
when we connect with our hearts that
things melt away
and the
biofilm melts away arteriosclerosis
melts away everything melts away
the other concept around detoxification
that i learned about from dr chris shade
several years ago was this idea that
detoxification is impaired in the
presence of inflammation so reducing
inflammation is already a detoxification
strategy and so just kind of tying these
things together if i'm understanding
correctly using something like modified
citrus pectin that is addressing
galectin-3 reducing inflammation
that inflammation reduction in and of
itself is also then allowing the body to
start detoxifying more absolutely
because you get better blood supply you
get oxygen you get energy so one of the
key thing detoxification
which is the last step i didn't talk
about actually after this phase one two
we got to support the energy systems of
the body
so if you regulate the metabolic
function the mitochondrial function by
using mcp
which
upregulates ampk down regulates into one
through different receptors in the
membranes through insulin receptors i
don't want to go to elaborate on it and
then suddenly you get a better metabolic
process you are able to do better
cleaning there's less congestion the ph
goes up everything is functioning
normally absolutely
i want to come back to your
comments about
lipopolysaccharides so we hear people in
functional medicine talking about lps
microbiome imbalances leading to
lipopolysaccharides that then lead to
inflammation was i understanding you
correctly to say that modified citrus
pectin can essentially bind to
lipopolysaccharide
so galactin3 carries lipopolysaccharides
to different places in the body it's one
of the ligands that binds to it
but what galactic3 does it fuels the
inflammation caused by
lipopolysaccharides so so in the rate
study the injury to the cicrum created a
terrible
peritonitis unfortunately that created a
flush of inflammatory compound including
lipopolysaccharide we just measure the
interlocking six as a marker when you
block it you shut down the reaction from
the top it's an upstream regulator it's
like there's a a water fountain
there's like a waterfall of lps and
different cytokines and tnf alpha and
and if kappa beta and when you close
galactic 3 you shut down the process so
i've shown in these studies we're
publishing two big critical care
journals that when we blocked
when we blocked collecting three
we attenuated interleukin-6 we attended
kidney damage and we attenuated
a
mortality
and in rates when we did the same
the same model and we actually took out
galactic three
with apheresis
we practically eliminated the death from
90 to 10
one treatment so this is a power this is
why the galactic three is such a mega
regulator of the process an upstream
regulator it's really important you know
we tend to chase symptoms so we tend to
change this cytokine and that cytokine
galactic three is addressing the issue
from the source and what you did so well
today
you really painted it from an emotional
point of view from a spiritual point of
view from a mental point of view because
it's one complex dance
it's one complex movement
in each of us scott has our own
combination that works for us
so before we get to our final question i
want to kind of bring the conversation
to a close getting back into those
higher levels the spiritual the mental
the emotional you say that when we're in
survival mode we are self-focused which
creates isolation contracts our life
experience you say that letting go of
the survival drive is a process of
freedom and expansion where giving up is
a process of contraction and despair
how do we learn to let go of these
survival tendencies
so it's very innate in us
it's very deep in us it's a life journey
and each of us can learn at a certain
capacity
so the first thing is by slowing down
and that's where mindfulness is so
important that's all this limbic system
and reprogramming we create a space when
we create space
it changes our mental reaction our
emotional reaction and naturally changes
our biochemistry in our in physiology in
our autonomic nervous system response so
that's the first step
the real real secret is when we learn to
connect with our heart
and to truly recognize
the impermanent change in quality in
everything and
as human beings we have the capacity to
do it so
in one second we can sleep it doesn't
always stay like this but it's a very
revealing experience
and it connects to the understanding
that anything and everything is possible
anyone can heal
anyone can heal you know i i often i
look at my and i write in the book i
tell a story about a patient who i
didn't expect them to heal from terminal
cancer
because they didn't think that they have
it in them
but their siblings headed in them and
they pulled them out of the toxic
environment and that is
they were literally days from dying okay
until they went back to the old
habits
they were they were they were convinced
by their family another part of the
family to come back to the toxic and
then the cancer came back and they came
back i told him you know miracles don't
don't happen twice very often
but
but
it's this it's this ability and the
understanding that everything shift we
always have options we always have
choices
we just have to see the door
and to see the door we have to be
open-minded but truly open-minded and
this means like you know for me as a
physician as a healer
giving up on concepts i believed in
you know
there are a lot of things i do now that
20 years ago i would never consider
doing but you know
it's part of letting go is not holding
not being afraid to know that you are
wrong
that what you thought was not correct
there are better ways of doing it and
then just experience this ongoing
integration that's where information
is transformed into wisdom you know
takes takes time
my last question is the same for every
guest and that is what are some of the
key things that you do on a daily basis
in support of your own health
so it goes
through waves because depends how busy i
am i'm a little bit busier i i try to
meditate every day
i actually meditate every day and i
serve a very uh
meditation practice i try to carry
like you know this this conversation i
was meditating during the conversation
it it's part of me
and i try to read as as well as i can i
i put a lot of emphasis when possible on
intermittent fasting
and
i tried to exercise to especially to
work
i started jogging which i really
hated all my life but it was a great
experience in the of my mind where i
couldn't run even 300 yards and within
three weeks ever even when a teenager
suddenly i i i ran like 11 12 miles
you know i could run i'm just going to
go to the clinic it shows how the mind
shifted i love swimming so i spend a lot
of time when i can go
and i spend some time in hawaii and i
swim every day
and
i make sure that my life is filled with
meaningful things with making a
difference in people's life
i try to be you know i try to practice
being kind you know
within the context of my life of my
consequences
and i stay humble about trying to about
what i know what i don't know
and every day is a in the new a new
learning experience you know well i've
known you for many years now and i think
you definitely walk the talk i think
you've been an amazing mentor to me and
an amazing teacher to many i'm excited
about the new book the survival paradox
i really urge people to go and and get
it it goes into so much more detail than
we could ever even begin to talk about
here uh dr elias just want to thank you
for all that you do and honor you for
the difference that you make in this
world so thank you so much thank you
thank you thank you for bringing such
great points out of the book that beyond
what even i wrote really
i really enjoyed take care thank you
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