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okay we'll just admit everybody as they

come in so I want to welcome Dr Isaac

Elias so this is my one of my new

friends uh I really think that his work

is

really interesting it's so relative to

my 22 years of specializing in fiber

imagine you're going to hear that

tonight what he's going to share tonight

some of you may have heard him in my

fibromyalgia Summit that we had in May

of this year so the fibromyalgia Summit

2022 one of my favorite interviews where

we talked about the survival Paradox and

we're going to talk a bit about that

tonight it's a perfect fit for

fibromyalgia and it explains so many

things I think that are not explained in

the fibromagic community you're going to

get to hear that tonight but let me tell

you a little bit about Dr Elias he's a

leading expert in the field of

Integrative Medicine specializing in

cancer detoxification immunity and

complex conditions he's a respected

physician researcher best-selling author

educator and Mind Body practitioner Dr

Elias partners with leading research

institutes including Harvard National

Institute of Health Columbia and others

to co-author studies on integrative

Therapies or for cancer heavy metal

toxicity and others he is the founder

and medical director of and I'm going to

try to get this right I messed it up

last time

amataba Medical Clinic in Santa Rosa

California where he's pioneered numerous

integrative functional medicine

therapies and we're going to be talking

about some really fun stuff tonight so

Isaac after all that

welcome I'm so delighted to have you on

here uh thank you so much for being a

part of this thank you thank you for

having me I I like I love our

conversations

well let me share a little bit more

about your book let me so for those of

you again that that saw the fibromyalgia

Summit this year's Summit that I had you

might have seen Dr Elias give a

presentation on the survival Paradox

which is his his best-selling book and I

became aware of Dr Elias uh several

months ago I was really interested in

the cell danger Theory and this is a

theory that I had been exposed to a few

years ago and I thought wow this is

really interesting

but reaching out to get a speaker that

was that could discuss how danger I came

across Dr Elias and I came across his

work and started listening to some of

the stuff he was sharing and I ordered

his book started reading his book I said

oh my gosh I gotta get this guy on this

fiber magic Summit he's gonna just be

able to explain so much that oftentimes

is unexplainable

so this the survival Paradox is to me

it's a game changer and I think if

you're if you listen tonight and you're

open to this Paradigm it's going to

change the way you think about health

about the way you think about your

health and what you need to do to get to

the healthy place you want to get so

many of you are looking for answers to

get healthy and we're going to be

sharing some of those tonight so with

saying all that uh Isaac I'm going to

turn it over to you and let you share a

little bit about your background and and

your work with fibromyalgia and some of

the things you developed to help with

your fibromagic patients yeah of course

and again thank you for your kind words

and for the opportunity and fibromyalgia

especially was a a favorite topic of

mine in the beginning of my career in my

20s which was in the 80s

and I realized that it's a condition and

this time it wasn't really

it's recognized you know it was not

really the condition there were people

who didn't didn't recognized it's a

medical condition and so over the years

I I developed a views on fibromyalgia

which are both from multiple Medical

Systems being part of being a licensed

acupuncture as a Chinese doctor and of

course a western doctor and I think the

Survival Products really encompasses it

of course today I'm going to touch just

a few angles I don't want to go too much

into cell metabolism because it's a

whole different topic but I'll do my

best to to help people get like a aha

moment you know that can really help

them so we can we can get going

and so I I so what I thought to do is we

we can start with the with a little bit

of a presentation and then we can have a

question and answer

So today we're going to look at the

survival Paradox protein collecting

three it's the concept of the survival

Paradox and how it affects fibromyalgia

pain and inflammation

it really understands the complexity of

of these symptoms and the simplicity at

the same time

so a little bit about my background you

know I've got close to 30 years of

clinical practice and experience getting

close to 40 and Decades of training and

teaching in Mind Body medicine which is

a big part of my life of what I do and

again I'm a medical doctor I'm a master

of science Chinese medicine and I mean

I'm I wrote the book Survivor part of

which is at least I feel a paradigm

shift I'm a very active researcher with

dozens of published papers with multiple

in age grants specifically

researching the survival Paradox protein

galactic

so if we look at fibromyalgia is a is is

is a big concept we're really looking at

systemic inflammation in neural

inflammation we're looking at this

strong connection between the gut gut

dysbiosis and the Brain as it affects

neural inflammation as it affects

autoimmunity

and of course when you talk about that

disparities you immediately talk about

toxins and mold and pesticides and heavy

metals and it really post-infection

immune dysregulation and in this sense

tens of millions of fibromyalgia have

been added to this basket post post

covet

and so it's it's it's getting much more

attention now the chronic pain The

Chronic fatigue post post infection and

really understanding this and it's

really it's driven by

by this inappropriate survival response

so the cell danger response is really a

subcategory it's one small angle of a

bigger concept which is the Survivor

part of naturally I came up with

with this term as a reflection of

Decades of studies I really wasn't aware

of the cell danger and then as they

start either wrote my book I started

talking about it and people kind of

connected me to this so it's great that

other people have been diving into this

so what is the role of Survival Products

protein galactin 3. so fibromyalgia

patients have high levels of

inflammatory compounds including the

Survival Products protein collecting

through it will touch in a moment in

what galactin 3 drives with the survival

Paradox drives it drives the cytokine

storm tnf Alpha interleukin-6 Etc

a dry system in release muscle

activation which is really an epidemic

now and as a result it will drive

systemic inflammation and fibrosis both

in the in the body and in the nervous

system

and as a result we get neural

inflammation and neurodegeneration so

it's a more long-term effect of this

neuroinflammation and got this biosis

and bio for information that of course

allows for different infections for

different toxic compounds to to hide and

then wake up at the time of stress as we

know people with Lyme disease they are

under stress the condition wakes up in

one of the main symptoms is fatigue and

pain everywhere

and we can look at how the inflammatory

compounds are behaving on the local

level compared to systemic level if we

have time we will touch it

so

taking a step back what is a survival

paradise and we are built to survive

we are innately built to survive from

beginningless times every cell in our

body every organ us its people community

societies Etc

and we since it's an automated response

we have to respond immediately without

control and we do it through the nervous

system through the autonomic nervous

system through the sympathetic system

and it starts in a fraction of a second

and we also

can counteract it and balance it through

the parasympathetic system and within

minutes we start a biochemical response

and this biochemical response is driven

by the protein galactin 3 which is our

alarm allow means it starts the process

and the problems it different than the

nervous system it doesn't turn off as

quickly so once it's on it often stays

on and then it starts a Cascade of

prevent so if we look in big picture it

what happened even from a sympathetic

process we had a fight which equates to

inflammation

friction fighting or we or we or flight

we run away we hide we create a micro

environment a different metabolic

environment which is key

for fibromyalgia that's why for example

some people will benefit from hyperbaric

oxygen because you bring enough oxygen

you break this barrier

so we look at it's a it's a it's a

hiding it will create fibrosis and organ

dysfunction so we got the cytokine storm

and this of course can can drive

mycotoxin damage and all of this will

derive chronic illness aging cancer and

immune diseases other immune

dysregulation autoimmunity

so the paradox

as you can understand is it what the

same mechanism that is allowing us to

survive is the same mechanism that

causes us to be sick because it's just

to struggle to be unhappy and shortens

our life

so it's a vicious circle of a survival

response that causes inflammation that

causes organ degeneration that causes

abnormal metabolism the cells changes

the tissue changes there's not The

receptors change and we get the worst

survival respondent it just goes in the

circle and great disciple survival

response Loop and we got to cut this

Loop so we are very focused on

inflammation now in integrative medicine

for a long time post covered also

Western medicine is very aware of it but

inflammations you can see is not the

cause it's a result of the survival

response so deeper healing will be by

addressing the survival response and the

real deep feeling is when understand why

do we have a survival response and

biochemically it's driven by the protein

collecting three which is really the bus

the bus the driver the train that gets a

signal that something is wrong

attaches itself to different damaging

ligands different damaging compounds

this is that have a sugar a carbohydrate

in them so this receptor called

carbohydrate recognition domain creates

a printout mail

and then it can go to different tissues

so it comes to tissues you get pentamer

attaching to pentamere and you get a

micro environment a biofilm a material

sclerotic plaque a place where cancer

can grow Etc

so looking at this it's produced by the

body in response to stress to toxins to

illness to injuring aging and it

triggers inflammation fibrosis organ

damage so if we block it if we can

really block it

we can really help these conditions so

one way to block it is not to be in a

survival response so you can already get

a sense of the psychological emotional

lifestyle

importance but we can also block it

biochemically and that's the gift of

nature we got by using modified with

respect in pectasol which has about 80

published papers in multiple conditions

so how does it work the galactin 3

attaches to a ligand and these ligands

can drive immune dysregulation abnormal

growth of blood vessel stickiness of

cell that for example will cause

metastases or lack of circulation or

fibrosis a certain ligand that will

specifically disrupt the blood-brain

barrier and cause and cause

neuroinflammation and once it attaches

it creates a pentamil

and as we look at this the pentamil

creates a biofilm a lattice formation so

in the in the alternative cancer field

the idea that there is a coating under

the cancer around the cancer is a

concept that the Virginia Livingstone

when she developed vaccines for cancer

in the 50s was talking about but it's

really now finally we have the

explanation it's really Galactic three

so when we got galactin 3 creating this

this multiple pentameres that attaches

to the cell membrane to the cell

receptors it changes

that it changes the micro environment

what do I mean micro environment

let's say here when there is no lattice

formation oxygen can arrive more easily

the cell doesn't feel in danger

it's not in a survival mode it can

produce energy in a very efficient way

I'm not getting into this in this

lecture on the specific metabolism but

through the mitochondria one molecule of

glucose 36 molecules of ATP when there

is a sense of blockage no oxygen the

cells goes into a survival mode can

produce energy much faster

100 times faster but only five percent

efficiency and a lot of toxic byproducts

including lactic acid that causes muscle

pain and contraction and then the cell

now gets in the pH changes the cell

become acidic which is very common in

pain right and that's why oxygen can

help pain many times and then the cell

gets a signal wow I'm into crisis and it

becomes a vicious cycle

so that's why when we look at diseases

that we're collecting three plays a

contributing factor you see this

everywhere you know everywhere and so

many of them you can see inflammation in

in all of them right there was this

dermatitis kidney failure pneumonia

Encephalitis no inflammation of the

brain systemic sclerosis fibrosis cancer

Etc

affecting the nervous system diabetes

Etc

so the importance of this and that's why

it's so important to understand that we

are dealing with something which we call

an upstream molecule an upstream down

the river on an upstream down the

waterfall and it's triggered by aging as

we age we have more Galactic three

triggers by infections right with so

many people long-haul covered is a

classical example keeping us in the face

triggered by stress

white people with fibromyalgia know they

do worse in stress intrigued by trauma

and injury physical emotional

psychological immediate trauma past

trauma epigenetic Trauma from past

generation in my book I tell you this

story about my grandfather was the

Holocaust survival Survivor I'm named

after him

and how I had certain pains that I felt

were not related to me and when I healed

my own my own issue and Trauma with the

Holocaust how it healed me and healed my

mother who didn't know it I'm doing it

because of the multi-generation trauma

and multi-generational healing so when

we have this Upstream

mainstream it will create what we talked

about the inflammation and cytokine

storm the immune dysfunction the

abnormal cell activity and we lead to

specific condition biofrement dysbiosis

organ failure autoimmune disease very

common also with fibromyalgia sepsis

fibrosis and cancer so often we try to

catch and treat conditions Downstream by

trying to remove a certain compound

write many medications do this specific

receptors or we try to block some

cytokines and we know very well and

again the covet was a great lesson it

doesn't work because we are trying to

stop the waterfall by catching it with a

bucket when we blog electron 3 we block

it at the top of the Cascade it's like

shutting down the waterfall so no water

is falling down

so

as we understand now a little bit about

inflammation we want to take a little

bit

a deeper dive into narrow inflammation

so in our body the immune cells that is

up regulated during inflammation is the

macrophage the macrophage turned into

inflammatory macrophage the excrete

Galactic 3 that get attached to the cell

membrane and the process I just

described starts the same thing happened

in the brain but the macrophage of the

brain the the cleaning cell of the brain

is a glial cell and the glial cell

triggers neuroinflammation is is a

solution attempt in the brain driving

injury inflammation and fibrosis so now

the generative diseases are driven by

glial cell by astral cells and they will

drive neural inflammation in galactin 3

drives neural inflammation there are

studies multiple studies showing how

collecting three

disrupt the blood-brain barrier

moleculate are not supposed to penetrate

into the brain do penetrate into the

brain they create an inflammatory

response for example when we have lack

of blood supply to the brain if we have

a stroke if we have a TIA if we're even

in a temporary lack of oxygen the brain

responds with a survival response with

elevated expression of galactin-3 that

drives inflammation in this in this cell

models animal models when you block them

with more effective perspecting you

attenuate you reduce the inflammatory

damage so the glial Cell Activation

which is

is much greater in the brains of

fibromyalgia patients and it Alters the

pain signals it negatively affects

neurotransmitter production and again as

we said galactants we derives this so

blocking it will reduce painful

inflammation it will take time it will

regulate it and intercellularly it will

help a wonderful substance which I'm not

going to elaborate on today but I want

to mention that helps because it

penetrates the brain blood-brain barrier

is honokio ornocchio Will regulate the

cell activity will reduce glutamate to

to a together and we will will regulate

the the pain cycle so many fibromyalgia

patients benefit from this combination

so how how do we block electing three

we're blocked in by using modified T2

speaking so regular pectin is a low

molecular is a long chain of

carbohydrate specifically

specifically galactronic acid

polysaccharide not glucose

with with side chains and it does not

get absorbed into the bloodstream so

it's good as the fiber it can absorb

some toxins in the gut and it's part for

example of my formulation a glyphoid

detox because it binds to pesticides in

the gut but modifies with respecting and

in this case specifically pector solids

the only commercially available

modification prospecting that is

research that has clinical evidence and

this has been researched now for almost

30 years and as I said almost 80

published papers including a lot on

inflammation on cytokine storm on

post-infection conditions

modification is a small size and a

specific structure it gets absorbed

systemically there it has its galactin-3

blocking effect it also removes heavy

metals and it regulates the abnormal

immune response so it has to be low

molecular weight so it can get absorbed

through the gut instead of a specific

structure

so just to to to to illustrate it that's

a long chain of of galactronic acid with

side chains of neutral sugars ramnose

and arabinos which are very important

for immune response there's a compound

there is a there's a chain structure in

the in in mCP 10 in pectasol called

ramano galactron and two which is very

similar to what you have in mistletoe

it's an immune enhancing compound so

when you specifically change the

structure and reduce the methylation on

the sides

then here when you have Galactic three

in the different Nestle ligands

the damaging

carbohydrate your and now you have mCP

coming in it's a long mCP it dislodges

the different ligands and you disrupt

the biofilm you disrupt the lattice

formation and you stop the inflammatory

process

and then what happens from this diagram

that we looked a moment from the

waterfall at full speed you simply block

it at the top

and as a result you get multiple

benefits and this explains why you will

read research about modified perspective

as an oncological support photo immunity

for heavy metals so biofilms the

Prebiotic for for the liver health for

lung Health For Kidney Health because

it's a universal mechanism

so when we look at the research we can

see that mCP reduces neural inflammation

and pain protects blood-brain barrier

supports cognitive Health very important

for fibromyalgia provides Prebiotic gut

support again healthy gut is healthy

body and helps to detoxify the body in

multiple papers and removal of heavy

metals Mercury lead even uranium uh

cadmium nickel Etc it balances immune

response it reduces a different uh

chronic immune cytokine as a resulted

reduces systemic inflammation and pain

and it has a synergistic effect so you

can use modification prospecting with

any other supplements or medications

that you use

so how to use modifies with respect and

how to respect the soil for maintenance

for people who are in good health

minimal dosage

few people need such a low dose but it's

still of significant benefit

is one scoop of six capsules a day

and people who want to enhance benefit

for joint health for detoxification one

scoop or six capsules twice a day and

for the full dose for optimal dose for

immune regulation and collagen

nutritional support for supporting of a

healthy aging process one and a half

Scoops or nine capsules twice a day

so the other formula I want to talk

about pedma basic is an ancient Tibetan

herbal formula that specifically has

benefit for circulation inflammation

neuroinflammation and for fibromyalgia

it it has a dozens and dozens of

published papers including over 30

published clinical trials including emit

analysis A study what's amazing about it

it's in it's a formula of 19

Botanicals that are not even

concentrated it's a natural compound

very small amount but unique synergistic

effect and it supports and improves

inflammation pain arthritis immune

balance Health with infections and help

with circulation in cardiovascular

health a lot of studies it's an approved

drug in Europe for decades for

peripheral artery disease

the other last part I want to touch

briefly is the importance of the Guard

brain axis and

it's a big discovery not to wrap

naturopathic Integrative Medicine in the

next in the last 30 years with the

microbiome but it's one of the most

ancient principles in Chinese medicine

because we have two digestive systems we

have a mental digestive system that

happen in the brain and we have a

physical digestive system that happens

in the digestive system

so naturally there will be there will be

a connection between them so this biosis

drives altered pain signaling 90 percent

of Serotonin

is produced in the gut so when the

microbiome is disrupted we got we get

reduction in production of Serotonin and

and we get an imbalanced signaling from

the gut to the brain that increases pain

and that's why often

it's part of pain syndrome people would

have gut issues

and because there are certain bacteria

that specifically will affect nervous

transmission

production and reduce level of short

chain fatty acids like Beauty weight

that are needed for neurological Health

and Pain signal

so it's important to really address a

pre and probiotic

approach for fibromyalgia my favorite

formulation called ecoprobiotic is a is

multiple 11 different strains of

bacteria that are it's a liquid form

that are that are grown

on immune enhancing and digestive

balancing Botanicals and a little bit of

modified

citrospecting it's fermented on this and

they said it has life

it's it's actually changes

the energy of the gut it also increases

organic acid which are essential for

optimal acid pH in the GI

so we specifically add a little bit of

more differential perspective to the

process not as the modified with

respecting but is a Prebiotic to help

the the this combination work better

and so it's important to look at

anti-inflammatory diet it's essential

vegetarian diet many times is very

useful but often people do need animal

protein it's very specific very

individualized you have to really adjust

it to

to what works for you uh intermittent

intermittent fasting can be very useful

and of course avoid the basic

inflammation driving Foods sugar gluten

trans fats with fine carbohydrate

processed Meats

and healthy stress relief if it's

through meditation breath work spending

time in nature social support creative

Outlets

allowing our being to expand

and that's a big part of of what the

Survival Products is discussing in its

uh

in in the three chapters of solutions

detoxification healing the skulls of

survival

and how to free the Survival Products so

Roger that's a little bit uh briefly

about uh about fibromyalgia and I'm I'll

be

please share any questions discussions

well between your uh accent your Israeli

accent and my Southern accent you know

people are trying to they're swinging

back and forth what the heck did he say

so hopefully we'll be able to answer

some questions here but before we before

we open up the chat box both here on

zoom and Facebook I'd like to just have

a little conversation let me make sure

this is is off here

um

you covered so many things that I think

that really it could just kind of go

over people's head they don't really get

it even though they have fibromyalgia

and they're they're listening to this

and they're going oh yeah that sounds

good that sounds good but I want to

point out a few things and

and in and in your your book uh I mean

it's like every other page has got

nothing but yellow for the highlights

things that were that I read was reading

through and go oh yeah that explains

what's going on with this fibromagic

patient you know

um but the survival Paradox this whole

idea when we get under stress when we

come get under stress or have some type

of stressful event

that it initiates this survival reaction

where literally body almost shuts down

the the metabolism the cellular

metabolism and it does this as a

self-preservation

the problem with that is you so

eloquently described is that there's a

time and a place

for galactin 3 which is a natural

reaction to release inflammatory

chemicals to help with anytime we have a

sense of being threatened whether that's

from an infection or a a toxin or some

type of trauma something that's going on

initiating you know this this event

but it can get out of control and when

it gets out of control and not turned

off now it sets up this Cascade of all

these different problems and the the

reason why I picked this out is because

you know I'll have patients that I will

look at their lab work in the beginning

when I start working with them and

they'll have elevated inflammatory

markers like CRP and said raid and

sometimes a a and some of these other

things and they'll have

um you know elevated A1C levels blood

sugar issues but as I start to work with

them using my protocols that I've been

using for two decades

most of the time not always but I'm able

to get those markers to normal

and within a period of time these

patients are doing really well and I may

not hear from them until a year two

three years later like here recently

well now someone's contacting me and

said oh my gosh

I'm a basket case

and I look at their new blood work and

their new blood work still looks pretty

decent but something has happened to set

them off on this tailspin of a fogro

flare and it's this whole thing about

the survival Paradox so to me it makes

perfect sense that we can do everything

right as Physicians as Healthcare

practitioners with our patients and yet

there's an underlying

innate inborn mechanisms that can just

go Haywire that most doctors don't even

know anything about to me that was an

aha moment that explained a lot of what

I saw with my patients who were having

fibro flares that were doing well then

all of a sudden

they just hit the wall again

yeah it's so true and we have to really

understand that so yeah that's why

that's why it's the Paradigm sheets and

we have to understand that it's Dynamic

we're going to a survival mode multiple

times in an hour probably in a day and

we can also so we go into a survival

mode mentally every time something

happens and we get attached to it or we

react to it

we hold to it we push it away it's a

survival response we want it we don't

want it but then the body knows to relax

but this imprints affect us so what

you're describing I mean the world went

through such a stressful time in the

last few few years and as a result you

can see this but we have to understand

that one area that we have to look at

with fibromyalgia is that we can make a

lot of changes but there are things that

are not under our control and part of

them is toxic exposure

you know we are exposed to two heavy

metals two mycotoxins to environmental

toxins to Industrial toxins and

especially to pesticides you know even

if we eat organic all of us have certain

levels of glyphosate in our body and

glyphos is the most common pesticide

330 million

pounds a year in the United States one

pound per person okay I mean it's insane

to think how much so it disrupts the gut

barrier

yeah which we talked about it disrupts

the blood-brain barrier it's it mimics

it means mini glycine the smallest amino

acid with the neuroprotective never

inhibitory relax and neurotransmitter is

becoming never excitatory in the brain

causing causing pain it affects kidney

function it affects liver detoxification

that's only one compound and there are

many other pesticides so as part of our

strategy we also have to detoxify

properly which is an important concept

and that's why when I start talking

about the solutions for the survival

Paradox the first chapter is

detoxification

yeah and the ultimate detoxification is

Letting Go

of the survival response which means we

accept whatever happens

and so it's very it's a fundamental in

our being that is people who are built

to survive

we don't want to accept change because

what is survival survival is not

accepting that whatever arises and

expresses itself

is going to have a certain lifespan and

it's going to fall away

it can be our whole life it can be this

planet

it can be a certain company

it can be a season and it can be one

thought

one feeling so we hold when we hold the

cell membrane changes

the receptor change the metabolism

changes the cell contracts the sulfur

gets to breathe there's something called

hypoxia inducing factor factor that is

induced by lack of oxygen they do a lot

of work with which shuts down the

mitochondria because we need energy fast

you get lactic acid everything contracts

that's a classical fibro process so

sugars refined sugars abnormal diet a

sense of stress and crisis just like you

described with the patients pesticides

that disrupt The receptors on the

membranes and of course epigenetic

effects

so we are very complex we are complex

beings you know we often don't talk

about it we are made I'm rounding the

number out of 50 trillion cells trillion

not million million times a thousand is

billion and billion times a thousand is

trillion

so 52 million cells and you know Roger

each of them

has close to 1 million reactions a

second

so I love to say we it's truly a miracle

that you and I can talk now with so many

in our body right

so something in our body

allows us to work together in harmony in

the survival response

disrupt this harmony

because what allows us to work in

harmony what keeps Us Alive is our heart

our heart never stops to survive our

heart survival is that it flows all the

time very different our head functions

by stopping and analyzing our heart

functions by flowing

by flowing and flowing getting accepting

dirty blood connecting with the universe

giving clean blood I don't want to go

into a big detail it's a whole lecture

it's what open heart medicine my

Approach is relates when we lose this

connection to our heart that's when our

trouble starts that's when we contract

and the Hallmark of fibromyalgia is

contraction it's trigger point pain it's

con you can feel them right

it's a knot where you're not supposed to

ever not

so in this sense in this sense because

everything is changeable

everything is possible and fibromyalgia

patients no they can feel really bad and

suddenly for a few minutes everything is

okay right suddenly pains go down

and then

it doesn't hold it often doesn't hold

because the cell

produced enough energy to feel better

but it did not produce it in a healthy

way

that's a key Concept in Chinese medicine

so classical symptom for fibromyalgia

patients right I felt great I did too

much how many times do you hear this

right and then and then I pay the price

for three days why yeah because there

was a dysregulation of the mitochondrial

cellular energy function compared to our

need so there is a balance

and the balance is very important

because there are few ways of balancing

one way of balancing is cleaning the

system making it more efficient and

expanding and expanding the more we

expand the more we have oxygen the more

we are free the other way is we become

more conservative and cautious right

people will say I'm very careful I don't

do too much and then slowly you see this

patients life Contracting and

Contracting and Contracting so they do

less they can eat less now I can eat

only rice and water right like extreme

microbiotics right well

so big why because the gut lining is not

healthy our ability to accept and absorb

what we determine is being toxic or

non-toxic becomes very tight so part of

feeling with fibromyalgia is having a

bigger view a more tolerant flexible

View

how do we do it by being less reactive

what is the ultimate reactivity

is an allergy right allergies reacting

when we're not supposed to now we are in

a world which is so stressed we react in

an inappropriate way one of the

epidemics you and I see all the time is

muscle activation

yeah and what do people try to do they

give different antihistamine which I

understand helps on an acute basis by

participating in the Summits I'm gentle

about not criticizing anymore too much

about it but it's not a solution it's a

separation

when we expand our being which means our

narrow inflammation is going down

then we can have a downstream true

benefit and the survival Paradox offers

a scientific base

explanation

that really accomplishes how we live our

life

what we do with our life and the quality

of our health that's the profoundity of

of the of the paradigm

so you gave this whole

theory that I've been

sharing for 22 years this whole idea

about you called the survival Paradox

now that's that's what I'm going to call

it up until then I just talked about we

had this innate inborn ability to heal

ourselves you know we don't have to

think about taking 12 breaths per minute

we don't have to think about pumping

blood through miles and miles of

arteries and veins every minute we have

a new stomach lining every five days

with the surface cells that contact food

being renewed five minutes you know so

we have this healing Dynamo and we have

a system that really kind of coordinates

these different

reactions it monitors and then reacts

the hypothalamus which is a a group of

nerve cells in the brain that really

kind of monitors what's going on and

then reacts as in a usually in an

appropriate way but when it gets under

too much stress it can start to become

dysfunctional and then the systems that

are supposed to regulate become

dysfunctional now I've always talked

about treating Upstream is taking the

stress off the hypothalamus right so

I'll hit it wrong in a lot of ways

because really

Upstream really from what you're sharing

with us is really turning off this

galactin 3 this threat yeah but this is

this is biochemically if you look at the

the signaling

and you know in many esoteric uh

spiritual system and everyone's there is

the concept of breath right and the

concept of connection between Heaven and

Earth you know if it's you know we pray

to God if it's Qigong if it's a central

line in different you know yogic system

it's a central line the central line

that the bottom is in our pelvis right

in our perineum and you can save it from

A reproduction the ovaries the testicles

you know the uterus the prostate and

then it goes up the thyroid

the pineal gland

the pituitary the highest gland is a

hypothalamus so in this sense from a

nervous system point of view you are

correct because it gets a lot of what

does hypothalamus do it gets feedback

loops from all the body and it regulates

what does the survival response do

exactly the same and within it we have

to understand we now know that there are

more that there is more information

going from the heart to the brain then

from the brain to the heart we know that

the electromagnetic field of the of the

heart is a hundred times bigger 100

times than the electromagnetic field of

the brain that we measure all the time

right so what we fill in our heart is

affecting every cell in our body 24 7

more than this it affects people around

us and because of what you said because

of the innate ability to to heal so you

talked about but the gut lining

the stomach line is changing every five

days our thought changes every second

right yeah our emotional expression can

change people who listen to us now they

went through so many emotions it means

because everything is changeable as long

as we don't hold to the survival

response and we don't let go

that's why everything is possible that's

why I call it infinite healing potential

open heart medicine the infinite healing

potential of love and compassion because

to have love and compassion we can't

hold we have to share and in this sense

one of my favorite sayings is that not

everyone will be a miracle but anyone

can be a miracle because of what you

said Roger because everything is

changeable because everything is

regenerated because everything is

changes so I used to call when I teach

meditation and healing between I used to

call it detoxification

foreign

level and then in healing that's when

healing happens so in this sense

Survival Products explains you know it

does give a a bigger home

for what you've been doing and as you

know what you do works and it works

because it addresses the basic pattern

that can affect

fibromyalgia and there are different

causes and that's why there are

different treatments right

absolutely and I want to point out some

of the things that you mentioned earlier

that I think are really

uh important that people

catch and understand this so you shared

earlier this was something that really

resonated with me in the book

the fact that and you shared it here

tonight the fact that we have past

trauma that some of us are holding on to

and we look at you know in fibromyalgia

the research shows that many individuals

have fibromyalgia came from a very

stressful household and that came for

different reasons I mean it could have

been you know an abusive household it

could have been just a an incredibly

stressful environment they could have

had an illness maybe they were in a

military family moved around a lot but

for whatever reason they run a lot of

stress as a young child and they lose

their plasticity right their ability to

rebound the stress and so they go along

and maybe in their early adulthood maybe

maybe you know getting out of college

starting a family whatever it is but

something comes along

some kind of stressor that's the straw

that breaks the camel's back and that's

where they start to develop these

symptoms of fibromyalgia and before you

know it they're in a full-blown

fibromyalgia uh diagnosis because of

this this lack of ability to be able to

handle this stress to me that's the

survival paradoxin you know that's that

paints that picture yeah completely and

it's very interesting for me I for

decades usually I don't share it in

lectures for decades when I teach

meditation and healing I'm highly

trained in meditation

I would make a diagram of past present

future and I will relate it to multiple

generations and I will explain how

through meditation you can heal multiple

generations and in my book I tell my

story when I my mother couldn't watch

I I'm named after my my

grandfather Isaac who died at age 50

from stomach cancer because he couldn't

stomach the fact that 10 out of his 12

siblings were killed by by the Nazis we

never knew about it

he died in the early 50s in 2007 when my

grandmother died at the age of 98 in a

funeral my mother turned around and says

you know

he lost 10 of his siblings

we were never told about it and

and I I since childhood had this very

strong pain in the center of my chest

which now has disappeared five years ago

so all of my life in upper back pain and

pain here and I realized that it's

connected to a Trauma from the Holocaust

and my mother couldn't see any movies or

programs about the holocaustic she was

traumatized and when I healed and my

chest opened up

and the pain went away suddenly my

mother started seeing TV programs about

the Holocaust without me telling her so

this is a multiple generation I went

back and healed it back to my

grandfather and his energy now was

healed and it affected my mother so we

know there are there are studies about

worms you know silkworms which multi

with 13th generation of epigenetic but

when you see it on your own body on your

mother it's like it's a it's aha moment

you know yeah and so of course it's also

a fact I was a function of my nervous

system I I tell the book The Story how I

could I improved my ability to remember

names that was a multi-generational

issue in the family

so it's also even in this kind of

symptoms so I improved my Baseline but

my Baseline wasn't my Baseline it was an

epigenetic Baseline so really is a

message for for people is since

everything is changeable everything is

possible and you never know when it's

going to happen

it can happen a second from now it can

happen in many years from now we have

just have to keep going and what you

mentioned about the plasticity it really

is a rubber the rubber band example we

have to keep the flexibility so one of

the

one of the

misguided longevity and you see it in

the pulse for people who really know the

Chinese Palace very well the pulse loses

its flexibility and you see that it

stretches just as the edges

because we're trying to survive and at

some point it's going to be cut so we

want to gain our flexibility in the

opposite of flexibility of fluidity is

heat and dryness

inflammation

and hardness fibrosis

and both of them are driven by the

survival response right yeah so you can

see the connection

yeah so so with this galactin-3 this

driving inflammation

causing biofilms we talked you mentioned

that a little bit tonight but these

biofilms were infections and toxins can

literally hide out and not be found and

cannot be

eliminated because they're in this this

good and uh so you're creating these

pockets of of disease within your body

that cannot be eliminated because of

this process but as you start to

eliminate and turn off galactin-3 with

this modified Citrus pectin this

pectasol that you've developed now we

start to see that inflammation goes down

and chronic infections and toxins and

things that have not been able to be

eliminated effectively can now they're

exposed so now we can get rid of those

one of the things that I'm seeing with

my patients using using the pectasol

that you develop is I'm seeing a lot of

my mold patients in particularly are

really benefiting from using this

product because and there's a lot of

good binders out there and I use

different ones you know and I play

around with them but with these mold

toxins I'm really seeing that not only

does the pectasol help them to get that

toxin out that mold whatever that toxin

is but oftentimes it will turn off the

inflammation and they have pain less

pain quicker than these other binders

that I've been using to me that was a a

nice byproduct that not only can we get

the toxins out but we were able to shut

down that pain in a in a fairly quick

quick time frame Roger you were reading

my mind I was just going to give this an

exam examples but thank you it is an

amazing binder

and we know it but it's not it's more

than a binder because binders when they

bind when they pull out toxins the body

responds with an inflammatory response

that's why people who use

cholesterolamine or charcoal they get a

lot of side effects yeah herxheimer yeah

exactly we have now clinics every very

large Lyme clinics or mold clinics or

microtoxin every patient is on pectasol

because they don't have the the they

don't hurt anymore because we are

attenuating

the abnormal inflammatory response

exactly yeah

so yeah so what these mold patients that

have fibrom and that's make just about

well I do but I have a lot of patients

that have fibro and you know I mean

fibro is just a name so I'm seeing this

with my mold patients and then I'm

realizing well golly it's helping with

with the pain in the mode why not why am

I not using it with my fibro patients

just in general so now I'm starting to

see that adding that to my other

protocols and I guess it's it's another

step you know treating higher up uh the

Cascade there and I'm seeing you know

really good results there another

subgroup of patients that I see are the

long haulers and these are people that I

haven't seen in a while they've been

doing great and all of a sudden I'm

getting a call saying oh gosh I'm I'm in

a fibro flare and I can't get out of it

it turns out they got covered but they

had symptoms or not but now three months

later they're just in a nosedive because

of covet I got one patient that's the

covid the sciatime storm the silver

reaction which you know this Galactic

three reactions what we're hearing just

is trying to destroy her her kidney

cells so she's developing CKD chronic

kidney disease and and the doctors are

telling her we don't really know what to

do with you you're just going to have to

go on dialysis in a few years well

obviously she didn't want to hear that

um so I've got her on the the pectasol

she's already doing better she had a

consult with a nephrologist he looked at

her Labs he said they're looking good to

me I don't know what you're doing but

keep it up so this pectasol this

modified Citrus pectin has been a you

know it's really been a godsend for me

it just gives me another tool and and I

would say some of my patients would say

it's been a godsend from them as well so

thank you for developing this product

uh what happened

somebody's on mute what's that you're

muted

you're muted oh what happened here

let me find you

where it's like oh there we go

there you go

I'm not sure what happened it was my

fault yeah yeah okay

I pushed so yeah so it's yeah so it's

interesting talking about coffee Blanco

thank you for also for sharing it then I

know my own experience because I

actually had a a severe a coveted

response because I over exerted myself I

I got a

I got I was diagnosed in Israel with

kovid

45 minutes before starting to teach a

seven day Retreat for 150 people after

two and a half years of not being there

can you imagine everybody's in the

hallway waiting for me and I am suddenly

I'm diagnosed so I actually turned

antigen negative in two days and I

started teaching but I over exerted

myself I got an immune response severe

and then then I healed myself and then

it came back a few months later and I

was I was so sick two months ago and now

I'm like at full capacity

and of course in Israel I didn't have my

supplement long time wrong place but it

was remarkable how I was able to heal

myself and the mCP was a key factor in

using therapeutic of fairies which is is

my specialty but so and I treat people

from all over the world who come and see

me for for kovid long-haul because of

our methods in the clinic but

specifically we have to remember just

like we want to survive the virus want

to survive so if you look at the spike

protein

each structure is practically identical

to galactin-3 yeah because just like we

want to survive

the virus want to survive so just like

galactines will reproduce immune

dysregulation in us the spike protein

which resembles galactin 3 will produce

immune dysregulation in our body

you can see the resemblance so the same

approach of course is very important and

very helpful and for CKD specifically

galactin-3 drives kidney disease that's

my research that's my NIH research when

you blog electron 3 you attenuate kidney

damage

and that's why and people overlook

people are not aware that 17 of the

population one seven have CKD

it's and so and Galactic three drives it

that's like it drives Nash

in non-alcoholic liver disease

and then the same process this

inflammatory fibrotic process because in

both conditions we lose the flexibility

we lose the plasticity just what you

described for fibromyalgia is universal

for so many conditions yeah

so the other product you mentioned was

the Tibetan pain formula which is the uh

Padma right Padma right right and so I'm

just have started using that in the last

month or so or some of my patients with

some good results as well not as much as

the pectasol but but the folks the

patients that I do have on it I'm

getting some really good feedback and I

like I like the fact that it's all

natural there's some things I've used in

the past even though they're over the

counter that oftentimes they would use

these products and it'd be too

stimulating like dlpa or Sammy some of

these things which you know can be very

helpful but I really like the uh the the

uh the padman I think it's going to be

really helpful

um we've got some questions coming in so

I want to just see if I can take some of

these right here and let's go let's see

about these

um

well first of all says this is going to

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about these products uh someone's asking

about

um will this product will it help with

nerve pain so will it help with

neuropathy and I'll let you answer that

I mean I know the answer but I'll let

you talk a little bit more about how

this product can can help with a nerve

type of pain so

motivated respecting will help with

neuroinflammation and often nerve nerve

pain can be related to neuroinflammation

neuropathine generally is a little bit

more complex so specifically for

neuropathy in addition to adding the

classical B vitamins that you need B1 B2

B12 and especially methyl B12 really try

to use monocle or no pure you start with

one twice a day with food then you go up

to two twice a day because a Nokia will

regulate

the cell metabolism will be very

effective for nerve cell function I was

the only place in the world now I can

share because I can't do it anymore that

used to do onocial intravenously

especially for cancer patients but also

for chronic pain and it would

it would it would resolve neuropathic

pain like nothing

even pain that wasn't held by opiates

would get better but this was

intravenously if not available but in

general monochial is a very powerful uh

it's a very powerful role and you can

add the pedma basic of course into it

because when you look at nervous system

tissue you got the oxidative

inflammatory part and you got the

circulatory part and they work together

the one one of one feeds the other so

both are very important

uh so we've got this uh Vanessa is

asking she's saying her her

environmental toxins are my triggers

causes gastric problems and inflammation

in my chest was diagnosed also with

costochondritis is this the result of

fibromyalgia so I assume you're asking

are the environmental triggers creating

your fibromyalgia and you know it's a

culmination of things but

um as Isaac was talking about Dr Elias

was talking about treating upstream and

I mentioned the hypothalamus and we're

talking about the survival Paradox but

absolutely it's a stressor environmental

toxins are a stressor you know there's

you can have stressful thoughts you can

have uh stressful trauma you're going to

have you know um

pollution you can have an infection

anything that's a stress to your body

real or imagined by the way it can

create this inflammation and turn on

this galactin-3 that that for whatever

reason is not getting turned off it's a

normal process that just kind of goes

haywire and that this pectasol is

designed to shut you know to turn that

off and yes the other part of your

question can that be what's going on

with costochondritis absolutely I can't

tell you how many patients I've had over

the years who wind up in the emergency

room thinking that having a heart attack

in this costochondritis that's all it is

and it's their fibro this this

inflammation is for whatever reason it's

chosen to attack this tissue here but

again as Dr Eliza's talked about this

pectasol is designed to help to shut

down that whole inflammatory over over

over reach that's going on in the body

right right and it's and we have to

remember we can shut it down so so we

have the simplest biochemical support

that's why in my opinion picture soil is

the most important supplement it wasn't

like this 10 15 years ago it wasn't the

first on my list now if the first on my

list for every patient because galactin

3 drives unhealthy aging but in the same

time now that we understand the survival

response we understand it we have the

power of our mind of our how to change

it so in my meditation in healing

retweets the most dramatic responses are

in fibromyalgia patients people with

pains for for decades spend a few days

and suddenly the pains are gone because

they change their psycho spiritual

emotional

flow they change the metabolic flow they

regained like you said so well the

plasticity the flexibility

and what happened when we what is pain

pain is the body telling us something is

wrong it's an alarm it's a survival

response so when we gain the flexibility

when we get a sense of safety

the alarm goes down it changes that

whenever transmitted and the pains goes

away the pain goes away we can relax so

it's it's it's a cycle and we have to

nourish the cycle so one of the most

important principles for people with

fibromyalgia is to take good care of

your health and put more energy into it

when you feel good

not when you're in crisis because this

is when you are feeling your Reservoir

with support that's when your health can

expand itself very important remember

one of our interviews I remember asking

you were talking about the survival

Paradox I said well Isaac what what can

you do for it is there is there a

supplement and you didn't say anything

about Gala you didn't say anything about

galactin-3 and Pectus or anything you

said meditate

and you know that that's so true because

if you don't change your physiology you

know through

um stress stress

reducing techniques I think you're

you're really you're you're sabotaging

yourself I know for my patients that do

the best who've worked with me over the

last 22 years it's the ones that will

heed my advice which is

make sure you have an hour of power

every day and that and it could be a

half an hour it could be you know a

quarter an hour I don't know I find an

hour and I'm pretty busy I know Isaac

meditates every day he finds time to

exercise and meditate so he's really

busy

um so you can find that time you deserve

that time to to meditate pray read uh

positive material that feeds your soul

whether that's Wayne dye or Deepak

Chopra or Joyce Meyer or Zig Ziglar

whomever you need to be feeding your

soul with this positive energy

and and if you're not you're really

doing yourself a a disadvantage and now

that you've learned about this whole

thing about the survival Paradox and the

fact that you really have to give your

body permission to turn off this defense

you know posture if you don't do that

you're going to probably be experiencing

one fibro flare after another you're

going to feel better for a period of

time but all it takes is another

stressful event and Bam you're right

back where you were I want to add some

words that someone who had an experience

I came to United States in 1988 to

choose my my Chinese medical school I

was a doctor and I went for one hour to

Clear Lake early morning to meditate and

I got a tick bite I didn't know and I

went back to Israel and my liver enzymes

were ten thousand okay I almost died and

uh and I I you know yeah it took me a

few years to recover but I'm fully

recovered so I had my own experience but

I want to I want to explain this really

important thing what was that you that

you shared so the fibromyalgia is

contraction it's pain

and the other side of it is expansion

and freedom

one is self-absorption and one is open

heart love and compassion

and the thing about Open Heart the thing

about Freedom which is a natural

Movement by the way of the universe

anthropy is that it's endless it never

ends

so when you meditate when you do things

for yourself and you feel that you are

expanding whatever is so amazing don't

hold to it like wow I'm the best no no

just let go because it can always

explain more and I know it is somebody

who spent 20 years going two months a

year I would go and do my own solitary

Retreat for 20 years leave everything

behind my poor family supported me and

go to the mountains sometimes very

remote places if something happened to

me so it would never find me it just

sits the whole day in nature and just

meditate into the sky and you feel the

things unfold and unfold and unfold and

inside comes up and our heart opens a

little bit more and our physical health

improves and our cellular Health

improved and the way we look changes and

it's an amazing journey and this quality

of openness as we age obviously we don't

look as young we are not as strong then

the natural aging process but the sense

of being able to connect to this email

vast openness just grows with time

that's what wisdom is about that really

is the wisdom of of that comes with age

you know

and it's a part of the process that

really can heal with fibromyalgia and

it's very important because

it's we're in a real crisis a muscle

activation the mycotoxin response they

worry about reacting to a supplement

about reacting to something right there

there is a contraction and the mind has

a huge power because what causes the

pain is never inflammation

and what causes neural inflammation is

this crisis contraction that can be

triggered by a chemical but can also be

created triggered by our habits by our

epigenetics by the by the way that our

mind and heart functions and that's why

we we are a being with infinite healing

potential because everything changes all

the time yeah

so one of the questions is Isaac how

long would you need to take the pectasol

if you're taking it to help with

inflammation and pain fibromyalgia

um how long would you need to be on that

product

my answer Mike I will answer with the

question I'm from Israel I'm Jewish

Jewish people answer to a question with

the question how long are you going to

keep on breathing

yeah it is long as long as you're alive

you're going to create inflammatory

responses as long as you age it's going

to get a little bit worse because our

repair system is not it's fresh why

because it has a lot of trauma that is

responding to so pector Soul just like

people take vitamin D every day and

vitamin C every day in fish oil you can

get fish oil from fish you can get

vitamin D from being in the sun you can

get it no you can get vitamin C from

food you cannot get modified with

respecting you cannot you've got to take

it as a supplement and once you take it

everything else works better because if

you look at the other compound I

mentioned they work Downstream of

collecting Theory and that's why

mcpective Soul needs to be a part of a

daily program you know we just presented

a multi-center try on biochemical

relapse of prostate cancer in the

biggest Urological cancer conference in

Europe so this was a long-term 18 months

follow-up multiple Center trial

ninety nine zero percent of the patient

benefited compared to Baseline 18 months

earlier it's not that modified with

respecting kills the prostate cancer it

allowed the body

to take care of the prostate cancer so

what modified disrespective does what

addressing galactin 3 will do it will

allow our innate immune system to

respond normally our innate inflammatory

system to responds

in a normal way like a describing the

book like birds flying in the sky

without leaving a trace you heal

and there are no consequences the

consequence of inflammation it's not

done properly is fibrosis and organ

degeneration

and so that's why uh pector Solace to be

part of your regimen it's more important

than any you cannot get it from

something else

you know and that's kind of when people

ask me how long should I be taking the

fibro formula which is a Formula I

developed kind of like the Baseline for

these folks to be able to shore up any

nutritional deficiencies hormone

deficiencies as well

and you know people will take this for

months and they're doing great and

they'll and I I know you get tired of

taking stuff I do too I take a lot of

supplements but I get tired of it but

when they asked me that's kind of my

response how long I mean do you do you

want to stay healthy or do you want to

go back to where you were so yeah is it

a bit of a hassle to continue to stay on

a supplement it is but which would you

rather do would you rather stay on a

supplement you know invest in that or

would you rather continuously be in

fibro flares and going seeing doctors

who probably are not really helping you

and putting you on medications that

oftentimes can make you worse so

I know it's kind of frustrating to think

that you'd have to take something and

stay on it but I don't know

um I know if I had fibro thank goodness

I don't but I totally understand it I

would do I would go I would I'd go walk

through the burning fire on broken glass

I'd go to a shaman and you know the

deepest darkest jungle if I knew that I

could get ongoing relief I would do it

so I know I I know from from my own

experience from my own health Journey

but you know when you are doing better

you can reduce the dose you may find out

that it's enough for you to take one

scoop a day or one scoop twice a day and

but

we have to address Galactic three you

know a very large study it's called The

firmingham Offspring offering study

looked at about 8 000 people at the age

50 and they're collecting three levels

in the lowest 40 of galactin 3 level

compared to the upper 20 not big

difference 15.6 compared to 10.5 not a

big difference because you don't need a

big difference in the top right look

look at this Angle now it changes a

little bit and then it becomes very

different so interlocking six will go up

a thousand times collecting three will

go up by 50 but for the people on the

top 20 percent they're all cause

mortality over 10 years tripled

tripled compared to the one in the

lowest so this is why we have to address

skeleton three it's a fundamental

survival response that we pay a very

heavy price for and now we have

something that can address it and that's

why that's why we are getting this kind

of feedback in our clinical trials you

know yeah

so a question is

um someone I guess has already looked on

your side they're asking about powder or

capsules and

personally the powder you is a better

you know it's priced better so you know

it's not as convenient as taking a

capsule but anytime you use a powder or

liquid usually you know cost wise you're

gonna you're gonna do a little better

um most all my patients I'm trying to

think you know a few of them have

switched to capsules they didn't like

the powder you know uh but just about

every one of my patients is using the

powder so that's that's what I recommend

right yeah the powder definitely you

know powder always has better absorption

and the clinical trials on capsules

because we have to

to regulate them but but yeah powders

and there is plain powder and there's

lime taste powder many people like like

lime test I'm a capsule guy so I can

throw 30 cups in in in one shot and I

travel a lot but yeah powder is always

preferable also when you have powder you

can mix it with other pie with other

things you can when you dissolve it in

water you can add the probiotic you can

add a mushroom powder you know you can

even add the green drinks if you if if

you're doing them it's there's more

flexibility and also from the point of

view of taking pictosol it's enough to

take it 15 minutes before food you don't

have to take it an hour an hour and a

half and an hour after food I take it

usually in the morning and when before

bedtime I throw in nine capsules nine

capsules with a few more capsules yeah

so and I have to admit I'm a capsule

person too I'm taking it myself you're

kind enough to send me some samples I

got hooked on I really like the way I

feel it and uh one thing we talked about

it shutting down inflammation but the

other thing we know with fibromyalgia is

they have less mitochondria than the

normal person and a lot of times they

have the mitochondria that they do have

these trillions of mitochondria that are

driving the energy and function of the

cells they're dysfunctional they're not

working like they're supposed to

and one of the things you mentioned

earlier that I think is important that

we we mention one more time is this idea

of hypoxia where there you're not making

the the energy in a certain way so

you're you're making instead of

aerobically you're making it

anaerobically and that's really uh

really

um an inefficient way to make the energy

that the cells need so they need ATP at

adenosine triphosphate

and I forget you have in there I think

it's 30 if you're doing it aerobically

oxygen it's it's 36 right right and when

you do it with glycolysis it's only two

so it's true

so it's only five percent efficiency but

when you are in survival you need

everything fast so you can do it a

hundred times faster but it's a terrible

price right so for example when you do

short runs like 100 meters under yards

you know afterwards the muscles are very

tight because we used

glycolysis to produce energy very fast a

lot of lactic acid and lactic acid

changes the pH you change the pH the

cell feel the cell has an experience of

less oxygen so there is something called

hypoxia inducing factor and then it

pushes glycolysis even more because it

feels oh my God we don't have oxygen we

can't use it properly we have to go

through glycolysis produce energy

without oxygen even if there is oxygen

the classical cell that does it is a

cancer Cell It's called The Wahlberg

effect so yes and in this sense modified

respective really changes

extracellularly affects the receptors on

the cell membrane and then will affect

the metabolism

curcumin a little bit changes its

interest cellular learning and then the

different B vitamins and minerals and

zinc and B in alpha lipoic acid in B1

and b12 that are needed for the Krebs

cycle so it's a combination the that is

needed but if you don't have enough

mitochondria you should want to make

sure that you're using them properly

yeah and I was going to say I think and

I'm knocking wood really healthy but I

think what I've noticed is just a little

more

stamina you know and and and I see and I

play Pickleball a couple hours every day

it's my new obsession for the last year

or so is pickleball uh work out do other

things too but I love pickleball but

I've noticed

that since I've been taking a pectasol

that I have a a quicker recovery time

and I feel like I'm just have more

energy more burst energy when I'm out

there on the court I don't know what

else it could be but it's remarkable

it's not like you're taking something

that is a stimulant you're allowing your

body to function more efficiently yeah

it's so it's so key with less unhealthy

byproducts yeah but the the not building

up that lactic acid I mean that's such a

thing with fibromyalgia they've heard

that you know you build up these trigger

points on the lactic acid you know

um this is another way to combat that so

there's many there's many many uh phases

or things that this does layers and and

and I encourage you to get the book but

as you go through the book maybe you you

will or you won't have these aha moments

that I had but studying 5-0 and

researching you know researching it and

lecturing about it there are so many aha

moments about how turning off this over

a ramped up galactin-3

there's just so much in there so I want

to encourage everybody to go to your

fibrodoctor.com forward slash special

and you can read more about the products

and again thank you Isaac for giving

them up thank you appreciate that 20 off

is really kind of you yeah what degree

discussion and thank you everybody for

listening and for me you know as I

mentioned because I started my my

healing career as a teenager learning to

quando in Korea I was fortunate to

practice with the national team because

I needed to learn English and being a

yoga teacher so I dealt a lot with

fibromyalgia while I was in medical

while I was in medical school

and I recognized the importance of the

diagnosis I was kind of like a loner you

know and really this group of Christians

didn't get the attention and the respect

they deserved they got criticized as if

psychosomatic it's my my God what a what

a narrow-mindedness of any any healer or

doctor not to respect the how their

patients feel so for me whenever I talk

about to this group of and then true

enough I had my own experiences and I

healed from it and so definitely and so

and so for me I I'm always thrilled and

it's also it's it's it's like an

obligation I have to this audience so I

really hope that some of you benefited

from you know Roger from the wisdom that

you shared from a little bit of my

experience and

be well all of you oh thank you so much

and for those of you that are just

coming on got in kind of late if you if

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going to mention it because uh someone

else is asking I don't know why

um it's to learn more about the products

and some of the things that we've talked

about go to your

fibrodoctor.com forward slash special

and there's a lot of great information

that's on there for you that'll go into

more detail that we couldn't talk about

these products how they can be benefit

you and and uh Isaac thank you so much I

gotta have you come back yeah please do

I love I love talking to you so I hope

you I hope you get to talk again oh

thanks so much thank you everybody for

joining us uh God bless have a wonderful

evening and look forward to being on

here next week take care thank you