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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,760 The winner to organize the 2022 FIFA World Cup is... 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,560 Qatar! 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,760 The United States today lost out 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,720 on its bid for hosting the World Cup, 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,880 the biggest sporting event in the world. 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,080 The desert emirate of Qatar beat out Australia, Japan, 7 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:33,680 South Korea, and the United States. 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,520 President Obama says it was the wrong decision 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,960 for the organizing body to pick Qatar over the US. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,880 The world was shocked that Qatar 2022 had won, 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,000 but how did they win? 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,920 I mean, how did this happen? 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Average high in June and July when the event will be held, 106 degrees! 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,600 It wasn't expected against the likes of the USA and Japan, 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:06,360 and the technical report around the bid had been really quite negative. 16 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:09,480 Qatar had been rated "high risk." 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Deals behind the scenes settle everything. 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,040 By a pretty wide margin, 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,760 the best bid for the 2022 World Cup was the US bid. 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,600 I was shocked and disappointed, 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,560 but my immediate reaction was that they had bought this. 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,440 If FIFA's corrupt, it should be exposed. 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,920 And I think that this decision today 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,520 is going to rumble on for a very long time. 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,320 The reasoning to go to Qatar is very difficult to explain. 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,920 For FIFA, it is a disaster, and it was... 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,080 especially during the time when FIFA, anyway, was in the focus for bribery. 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,920 - Mr. Blatter? - Mr. Blatter? 29 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,480 And then the Executive Committee 30 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,760 had not a better idea than voting for Qatar. 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Therefore, I always say 32 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,120 when you blame Qatar for hosting the World Cup, 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,400 you have to blame FIFA because FIFA is the system. 34 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:11,400 The system is FIFA. 35 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,000 Why Qatar? 36 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,360 Why go play in a country that is so hot, 37 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,760 uh, or in a country that's going to need to build stadiums? 38 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,880 Why such a small country 39 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,880 with a team that is ranked so low globally? 40 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,720 If you asked questions about the working conditions, 41 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,800 human rights, whether European fans will be able to get there and so on... 42 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,320 So, I was shocked, like everyone else. 43 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,200 I don't think they expected the world media 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,120 and the world reaction to be so against them. 45 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,600 They received a very, very harsh backlash after winning. 46 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,280 When we won, I was happy and euphoric, 47 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,800 but very, very quickly, I... I suffered a... a very serious bout of depression. 48 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,440 It was a very vicious attack that came. 49 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,800 The attack was coming on us. The attack was coming on FIFA. 50 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,880 Unprecedented attacks coming from left, right, and center 51 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,200 against us, the country. 52 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,200 The descriptions that were coming into play... 53 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,160 It was very, very close to being racist attacks. 54 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,760 It was tough. 55 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,920 First of all, on behalf of the millions of people living in the Middle East, 56 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,600 thank you. 57 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,120 Thank you, FIFA, for believing 58 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,160 that expanding the game to the Middle East 59 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,760 and bringing it here to our region, to our homes, 60 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:26,520 is the right thing to do. 61 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,560 We go to the Middle East. 62 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,280 We go to the Arabic world. 63 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,320 We go to the Islamic world. 64 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,680 This is development of football, and don't speak about money. 65 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,520 This has nothing to do with money. 66 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,680 I would say the first very strong decision where the politics came in 67 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,280 is for the World Cup in Qatar, 68 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,280 and not what was my wish, uh, to have the United States of America. 69 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,760 As I was going in to vote for Qatar, 70 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,120 Blatter comes up to me. 71 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,000 "I want you to vote for the USA and not Qatar." 72 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,600 Do you think it's appropriate for the president to stoop to that level? 73 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,320 I didn't respond. He went off. 74 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,720 I got the votes for Qatar, and Qatar won. 75 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,560 Sepp was cornered completely 76 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,600 by the big members of the FIFA ExCo. 77 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,880 You have the, uh... the head of the confederations. 78 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,160 Issa Hayatou for the Africans. 79 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Michel Platini for UEFA. 80 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,560 You have Jack Warner for the CONCACAF, 81 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,400 and you have Dr. Leoz for the CONMEBOL. 82 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,520 And Bin Hammam from Qatar. 83 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,160 He is the chairman of the Asian Football Confederation. 84 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,000 They just aligned themselves with Qatar. 85 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,720 There was three CONCACAF members on the ExCo at the time, 86 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,360 and it was assumed that all three of them were gonna support the US bid. 87 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,800 So, it comes as a tremendous shock to Chuck Blazer 88 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,160 to find out that Jack Warner, his closest ally in FIFA, 89 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,040 appears to have voted for Qatar. 90 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:16,880 He felt betrayed. 91 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:20,640 How can you not vote for your own confederation? 92 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,000 But these guys were old. They weren't gonna be around for the next vote. 93 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,320 So, if they did the double vote, they got twice the money. It was payday for them. 94 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,320 Doha's skyscrapers signal the economic rise 95 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,880 of Qatar's gas-rich capital city. 96 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,720 And over the next decade, they'll likely tower over another boom, 97 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,400 fueled by football mania. 98 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,720 Football in particular, but sports in general, 99 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,320 always played a very important part in our culture, uh, in our ambitions, 100 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,440 in, uh, utilizing it as a catalyst, 101 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,560 as a vehicle to pushing forward, uh, some of the nation's objectives. 102 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:06,520 The Qataris have created a sports industry. 103 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,840 They've done basically 104 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,920 what other countries do organically over decades. 105 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,480 They've made sports part of national identity. 106 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:24,400 With Qatar, you're talking about it being part of an actual nation-building mission. 107 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,480 They were looking to get out of the shadow of Saudi Arabia, 108 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,960 carve out a different character for themselves, 109 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,760 be a player on the world stage. 110 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,240 They want to be seen as a force for good in the world. 111 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,440 They want to show that the Arab world can host a tournament like this 112 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:42,840 and bring people together. 113 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,000 They were everywhere. 114 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,600 They wanted to be seen as the banker of sports in the world. 115 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,280 There was nothing to be organized without the support from Qatar. 116 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:04,680 When the bids were opened for 2018, 2022 in 2009, 117 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,880 which meant there was a significant lead-up 118 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,160 and there was an opportunity open, 119 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,400 that's when we decided we have a shot, we have a chance. 120 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,920 What makes us want to host the... the World Cup is our belief in football. 121 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,640 Bringing the World Cup to Qatar will bring the World Cup 122 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,480 to the Middle East for the first time. 123 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,520 We were a young bid team. 124 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,320 We had many people that spoke many different languages, 125 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,760 so we could communicate with the football world, 126 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,240 and we were humble. 127 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,520 We knew that we were the underdogs. 128 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,160 We knew that people did not see us initially as serious contenders. 129 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,680 During our stay in Doha, we quickly noticed 130 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,200 this was a government project, 131 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,400 channeled through the World Cup, 132 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,440 to put Qatar at the center of the world. 133 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,360 It was a project of state. 134 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,240 It wasn't a project of the football federation. 135 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,360 Honestly, I never thought Qatar would win. 136 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,880 They don't have a football tradition. 137 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,920 In the report, they didn't have the best marks. 138 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,480 They had to virtually rebuild the city, 139 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:37,200 build all the stadiums. 140 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,800 They didn't have a single stadium which could host a match. 141 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,920 And build hotels for tourists and for the teams as well. 142 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,240 But the insurmountable obstacle was how to play in May, June, July. 143 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,200 We did our reports. 144 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,120 These were sent out. 145 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:03,320 Any member of the ExCo could call me and ask me to explain anything. 146 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,520 No one called me. 147 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,960 That's how I reached the conclusion that not all of them had read it. 148 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,880 If they didn't care that you couldn't play in May, June, July, 149 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,040 why would they care about working conditions? 150 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,160 It wasn't an issue. 151 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:42,960 We were in Cape Town 152 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,360 when FIFA hosted the FIFA Media Breakfast. 153 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,280 All countries were there and so all the media is there. 154 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:59,440 And every bid had exactly the same parameters, 155 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:00,600 so we each had a booth. 156 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,160 We had Arab media that came to visit us, and that was it. 157 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,120 No one came to our booth. 158 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,040 They'd come pick up their freebies, but that was it. 159 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:19,440 And then right in the middle of the whole thing walks in David Beckham. 160 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,200 You'd think there was an earthquake in the place. 161 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,240 The media started pushing, climbing on chairs, climbing on tables. 162 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Everybody was surrounding them. 163 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Sheikh Mohammed, who was the director general 164 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,680 of the Qatar 2022 bid, 165 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,160 turned around to me that day and said, 166 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,320 "Why didn't you get me that media attention?" 167 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:52,000 I was gobsmacked because, I mean, this was David Beckham. 168 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,440 Everyone in the world knows David Beckham. 169 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,240 No one knows who in the world this little prince is from this country. 170 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,000 The team was extremely small. 171 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,760 None of them had even gone to a World Cup game in their life. 172 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,160 None of them knew the FIFA politics. 173 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,880 None of them had ever worked in sports, even. 174 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:22,200 Um, these were people who had no knowledge of any of this. 175 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,920 The only person who had knowledge of FIFA politics 176 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,520 was Mohamed Bin Hammam. 177 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:34,840 Mohamed Bin Hammam was president of the Asian Football Confederation. 178 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,960 He was an ExCo member of FIFA, one of the 24 members. 179 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,680 He was one of the most powerful men in football, 180 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,280 and he was a Qatari citizen. 181 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,520 He is not a person who is very outspoken. He likes to be in the background. 182 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,000 He likes to be the... the conductor. 183 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,760 I didn't think that the size of Qatar, 184 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,120 and the weather of Qatar, 185 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,000 support any such, uh, ambition, you know? 186 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,840 With Mohamed Bin Hammam, it took a long while for him to come on board 187 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,680 and be able to be convinced and supportive of the bid. 188 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,600 We knew that he would be able to give us the tools and the means to win. 189 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,080 To get the World Cup, 190 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,040 you have to get ExCo members to vote for you, 191 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,440 so that's what their game plan was. 192 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,560 He knows all 24. 193 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,200 He can, one, help us meet all 24. 194 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,320 Two, he can help us know 195 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,600 what to do to get all 24 votes. 196 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Qatar had been able 197 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,480 to sponsor the African Congress of Football in Angola. 198 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,200 The transformative point for us for the bid was Angola, 199 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,720 was the speech that I gave to the CAF Congress in Angola. 200 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,840 The message resonated very, very powerfully. 201 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,600 That was when I think a lot of people started seeing us as serious candidates. 202 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,120 It wasn't just the fact 203 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,280 that we were able to convince the three Executive Committee members. 204 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,560 It was the fact that the entire African confederation 205 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,360 was buzzing about our bid. 206 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,120 But it was Angola that was the turning point. 207 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,520 We were all staying in the same hotel. 208 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,120 And I was told to go help translate. 209 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,760 So, I went. I talk French. 210 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,240 We welcome into the suite, um, at different times of the evening, 211 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,760 different ExCo members. 212 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,280 Hayatou, Anouma, and Adamu. 213 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,560 And we were talking about South Africa, you know, 214 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,680 how Africa was being given its chance to host the World Cup, 215 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,400 and how the Arab world should be given the chance to host the World Cup. 216 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:15,040 And then Hassan offered Hayatou $1 million 217 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,320 for the football federation, Hayatou's football federation. 218 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,360 And, you know, in return, we wanted his vote, 219 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,360 and... I remember there just being laughter. 220 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,040 And then it was said, "Well, that's not enough." 221 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,440 And so the price was just upped to 1.5 million, just like that. 222 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,000 I know it sounds so simple, but it was so simple. 223 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,360 It was just, "We'll give you this money for your football federation, 224 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,320 and you give us your vote." 225 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800 And, "Thank you so much. See you later." 226 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:56,200 And... one by one, we did the same thing with Anouma and Adamu. 227 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:03,760 So, $1.5 million was offered to each ExCo member that evening 228 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,880 in exchange for their vote. 229 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,200 And was that something that was the... 230 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,360 The money was physical or was it verbal? 231 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,400 It was verbal. I never saw money. 232 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,480 That is something I never saw. 233 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,400 And it was made very clear that the money was going to football. 234 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,200 It was never said, "It's going into your pocket." 235 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,800 I do need to emphasize that. It was said it was going... 236 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,440 Where it ended up, I have no idea. I don't know. 237 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,480 Before I went back to my hotel room, 238 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Hassan told me, "You never repeat this ever again to anyone." 239 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,960 And I was like, "Okay." 240 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,560 I never forgot about it, 241 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,360 but I never spoke about it again for a long, long time. 242 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,120 I knew my days were numbered, 243 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,520 but in my eyes, 244 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,240 I had never done anything to deserve being fired. 245 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,400 I was given three days to leave the state of Qatar. 246 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:13,920 I was not up to par with the game. 247 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,440 Phaedra left in March 2010. 248 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:24,120 And then in December 2010, after the vote, 249 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,600 she had a conversation with a journalist 250 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,960 from the English newspaper The Sunday Times 251 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,680 that was looking into what had happened with the World Cup bidding. 252 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,680 I spoke with Claire Newell, 253 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,520 off the record, about what had happened, 254 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,920 what I had witnessed. 255 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,000 She wrote, I think, a short article, 256 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,160 and that's when everything changed. 257 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,120 I was nicknamed the Qatar whistleblower. 258 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,000 There is no evidence. We have asked for evidence. 259 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,440 There is a principle in life, 260 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,040 this is, you are innocent until you are declared guilty. 261 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:13,000 So stop, please, to say FIFA's corrupt. 262 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,520 FIFA is not corrupt! 263 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,080 Definitely not. 264 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:25,800 Phaedra was exposed as having made these allegations. 265 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,920 And then, all of a sudden, I'm starting to get threats. 266 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,920 I'm starting to get anonymous calls, emails, social media. 267 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,400 I'm very, uh, scared. 268 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,360 And... and... and who are you scared of? 269 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,000 All those I've upset by speaking out. 270 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,080 And those who have tried over and over again to silence me. 271 00:18:54,240 --> 00:19:00,120 I was basically told, "Either you're going to sign an affidavit, 272 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,160 um, stating that you lied, 273 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,480 or else we will legally come after you." 274 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,480 I'd love to get your reaction about Angola 275 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,880 and Phaedra's allegations. 276 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,640 And the other was the Sunday Times headline, 277 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,320 "Qatar bought the World Cup." 278 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,880 But what I'd like to know actually is initially your reaction 279 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,400 when you see those. 280 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:31,240 Hmm. 281 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,840 Look, my... my reaction is, you know, especially on... on the Phaedra situation, 282 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,760 it's... well, actually, both of them, it's frustration. 283 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,160 It's frustration because they're inherently false. 284 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,840 And there are facts on the ground that prove they're false. 285 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:58,880 I do believe that they conducted some business at a global level 286 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,080 with people to help secure their votes. 287 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,120 I don't think anybody had ever done anything at that scale before. 288 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,280 Whether you call that corrupt or not, 289 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,920 I mean, that's just the way international business gets done. 290 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,880 A FIFA World Cup in Qatar would provide unrivaled commercial opportunities. 291 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:25,560 There were some big deals that were done at a governmental level, 292 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,520 like the story of a big gas deal between Qatar and Thailand 293 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,240 because there's a Thai representative on the ExCo. 294 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,160 The suggestion that it was linked to winning favor 295 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,880 is completely denied by everyone involved. 296 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,960 And another FIFA ExCo voting member, Marios Lefkaritis, 297 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,000 sold some land to Qatar for 32 million euros. 298 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,640 He's always said that that had nothing to do with his vote. 299 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,401 The Emir of Qatar came to Brazil. 300 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,280 He stayed for a while and even visited President Lula, 301 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,680 who was also in favor of Qatar. 302 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,040 We held a lunch here in Rio de Janeiro. 303 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:19,800 Present at the lunch was the Emir of Qatar, Dr. Havelange, myself. 304 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,600 There were eight or nine of us. 305 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:26,680 That was when we decided we would support Qatar. 306 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,960 I have received favors, exchanged favors. That's normal. 307 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,960 But I have never been bribed to do anything in my life. 308 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,560 It was only weeks before the vote 309 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:51,480 that the UEFA president, Michel Platini, who's very influential 310 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,760 in terms of who the European delegates on the ExCo will vote for, 311 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,120 goes to a lunch with the President of France, Nicolas Sarkozy, 312 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,440 and the son of the Emir of Qatar at the Élysée Palace in Paris. 313 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,120 He was surprised to see a whole Qatari delegation was there, 314 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,920 and Platini was not forewarned. 315 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,560 So, his version was that he received a "subliminal message," 316 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,520 these are his words, 317 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,120 from Sarkozy, telling him it would be better if he voted for Qatar 318 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,120 rather than the USA, for the best interests of France. 319 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,120 Platini fell into a trap set by Sarkozy. 320 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,560 Sarkozy used Platini to say to the Qataris, 321 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,440 "Look, I have Platini in my pocket." 322 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,920 "France will vote for you, for the World Cup," 323 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,200 which was huge for the Qataris. 324 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,600 Okay, I'll tell you how it happened. 325 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,520 As I understood it, France would be happy if I voted for Qatar. 326 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,320 I understood that, but no one ever asked me anything. 327 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,440 Nicolas Sarkozy never asked you to vote for Qatar? 328 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,280 No. Maybe that's why he sold my vote to Qatar. 329 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,280 Maybe he knew I would vote for Qatar. 330 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,360 And so he sold my vote, for the sake of France, to Qatar, 331 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,920 in order to... in order to obtain many things. 332 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760 It's absolutely remarkable 333 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,080 what happened after Platini votes for Qatar. 334 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,720 The Qataris' estate fund buys Paris Saint-Germain, 335 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,400 the main football club of Paris, 336 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,480 and injects who knows how much money into it. 337 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,480 beIN Sports, which is the Qatari broadcaster, 338 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,840 bought the TV rights for French football for huge money. 339 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,760 On top of that, there are very big trade deals 340 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,640 that happen between Qatar and France, 341 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,520 including the Qataris buying a lot of French Airbus airplanes. 342 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:57,760 The decisions that lead to the World Cup going to Qatar 343 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,120 are happening in the very, very highest levels of politics, 344 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,920 but any impropriety is completely denied by the Qataris. 345 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,160 Buying the World Cup, paying off ExCo members. 346 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,640 You know the allegations. You know what they are. 347 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,680 The geopolitical deals that were done between Thailand, 348 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,360 between Russia, between Qatar, between Sarkozy. 349 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,000 What... what geopolitical deals? 350 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000 These are what the allegations... 351 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,280 What? I'm gonna ask you, what? 352 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,120 Okay, gas, um... 353 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,840 Gas deals between whom and whom? 354 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,480 - Between Thailand and Qatar. - The facts are on the ground. 355 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,760 The facts are on the ground. 356 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,720 Some things are, you know, uh, some things are extremely unrealistic. 357 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,600 This is our natural resource. This is something we're building our future on. 358 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,200 It's not gonna be utilized for the sake of a vote for a World Cup. 359 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,920 It feeds into the stereotype of Arab sheikhs throwing money around. 360 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,840 This is why this World Cup is important 361 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,040 because we need to break down a stereotype. 362 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,400 We abided by the rules. 363 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,240 We abided by our moral values. 364 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,160 We won on the merits of our bid. 365 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,200 We won on the merits of the vision and the fact that this is the time 366 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,400 for the first World Cup in the Arab world, in the Muslim world, to come. 367 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,920 Qatar! 368 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,680 When it was announced, 369 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,120 you'll see everybody else euphoric and shouting, 370 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,600 and you'll find me standing statue-still 371 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,640 'cause I couldn't see Sepp Blatter from where I was sitting. 372 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,000 I was just standing still 373 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,600 until I heard my team screaming, "Yes, we did it, we did it." 374 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,080 In the Arab world was a huge celebration. 375 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,400 In Asia, there was a huge celebration. 376 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,880 But what is not making me feel comfortable is what Blatter is doing. 377 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,720 You know, he... he put us in his mind to... to eliminate Qatar. 378 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,800 This is actually what, uh... 379 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,320 uh, what doesn't make me comfortable. 380 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,600 Will he or won't he? That's the question we're here to answer. 381 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,520 The person we're talking about is Mohamed Bin Hammam. 382 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,040 He supposedly is, uh, thinking about challenging Sepp Blatter 383 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,360 for the FIFA presidency. 384 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,800 I'm actually known as a Blatter supporter. 385 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,480 Definitely I was an honest advisor for him, 386 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,320 and I will say, yes, I have contributed to his success. 387 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,000 Mohamed Bin Hammam considered Blatter as his friend, 388 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,840 and he was absolutely loyal to Blatter, but it was a one-way street. 389 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,880 Blatter promised after the '98 election 390 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,080 that he will stay only for two terms. 391 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,080 This was deleted, and then Blatter stayed for a third term, 392 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,480 and then Bin Hammam was upset 393 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,320 because he didn't accept that Blatter didn't keep his promise. 394 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,440 I thought that Blatter would not be interested in 2011. 395 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,400 The president has to have a limit, a maximum by three terms. 396 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,640 So, I felt this is not good for the football. 397 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,760 Not good for the game. 398 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,120 But there was always supposed to be a second candidate. 399 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,240 For Blatter, it was a shock that Bin Hammam brought the World Cup to Qatar. 400 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,800 This was a total surprise. 401 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,760 For the first time ever, he saw his limits of power. 402 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,600 If there was a person here who had more power than himself, 403 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,240 at least in one special event, this was Mohamed Bin Hammam. 404 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,480 I think Bin Hammam is an independent man. 405 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,600 He's had his time with Sepp Blatter. 406 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,280 I think he, like most of us, has had enough of Sepp Blatter, 407 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,400 thinks Sepp has single-handedly ruined the good name of FIFA, 408 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960 and he understands that somebody's got to come in. 409 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,360 But I think Blatter couldn't control his ambitions. 410 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,720 He was the real Machiavelli of... of sports. 411 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,800 After 13 years, Sepp Blatter is well-used 412 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,160 to the trappings of presidential power. 413 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,640 During that time, he's received honors and accolades all around the world. 414 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,040 But not everyone would applaud the way he runs FIFA. 415 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,520 I wanted to maintain my position. 416 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,960 I couldn't abandon... 417 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440 ...all my years in development of football 418 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,640 and all my years as secretary general 419 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,920 and as president. 420 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,440 Blatter insisted on loyalty for everyone, 421 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,880 but the problem of him was that he was not loyal to all his political supporters 422 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,000 during all the years, to Mohamed Bin Hammam, for example. 423 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,880 In 2009, there was election in Asia 424 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,520 for the FIFA seat, which I am occupying. 425 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,080 There is another candidate, 426 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,520 and I was very much surprised to see that Blatter took his side. 427 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,400 For me, it was quite strange. 428 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,400 I am supposedly his friend. 429 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,760 He thought that I am a danger for him, 430 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,960 and he wanted to remove me from FIFA. 431 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,720 So, I just... 432 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,280 said that I will not make him comfortable in his life. 433 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,960 Sepp Blatter, the man who runs world football, 434 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,760 is facing his first challenge for the presidency of FIFA in nine years. 435 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Mohamed Bin Hammam has told the BBC 436 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760 that it's time for greater transparency in the way the game is run. 437 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680 Mr. Bin Hammam is head of the Asian Football Confederation. 438 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,160 To take on Sepp Blatter is huge. 439 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,080 I frankly didn't think it was possible for anybody to topple him 440 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,400 because he was so well-seated. 441 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320 Sepp Blatter has used the billions of pounds 442 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,840 generated by the World Cup 443 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,680 to shore up his power base. 444 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,000 He won't walk away from his cherished prize without a fight. 445 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,320 I wanted to see the Caribbeans in Miami, 446 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,920 and I couldn't get a visa. 447 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,480 There is no reason for the authorities to say, 448 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,680 "No, we are not going to give you a visa." 449 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,840 I am presuming that there is somebody who doesn't want me to go to the States 450 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640 to address the... the Caribbeans. 451 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,640 It was a tense few days. 452 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,080 There was a presidential election going on. 453 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,880 Mr. Bin Hammam wasn't there, 454 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,560 and Mr. Blatter was there. 455 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,320 CONCACAF, at the time, was run by a guy named Jack Warner, who was president. 456 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,120 The general secretary was a gentleman named Chuck Blazer, who was American. 457 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,920 And then on stage at the congress, Mr. Blatter, off the cuff, 458 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,200 does a development grant for a million dollars for CONCACAF. 459 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,640 It was about as blatant as one could be in terms of, you know, 460 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,520 "Let me give you a gift for your region, Mr. Warner, 461 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600 in front of all your members," 462 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,440 thirty or sixty days or whatever it was before an election. 463 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000 I was not happy about this. 464 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,440 I am a candidate. 465 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,280 I want to see the people. I have to speak to the people. 466 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,760 So, I said, "Mr. Warner, give me another opportunity." 467 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,920 Then they... they organized this, uh, congress in Port of Spain. 468 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,840 All the Caribbean Football Union countries 469 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,600 were invited to the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Port of Spain in Trinidad, 470 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120 which is obviously the power base of Jack Warner. 471 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000 Jack Warner himself had a travel company 472 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:18,160 and was paid $363,000 to organize the travel for the event. 473 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,800 Chuck Blazer had not thought 474 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040 it was a good idea for Warner to hold this event. 475 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400 He shouldn't have this breakout thing just for the Caribbean, 476 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600 and they should run it, at least publicly, above board. 477 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,520 There were quite a few attempts at him trying to stop it, 478 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,320 but Chuck didn't scare him. 479 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,000 Should have scared him, but he didn't. 480 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,040 I obviously knew about Jack Warner. 481 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,240 Jack Warner, as the confederation president, 482 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,640 he offered an opportunity to Bin Hammam. 483 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,080 And we obviously went there to listen to what he had to offer. 484 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,320 On the first day, Bin Hammam did his presentation. 485 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,320 And something strange happened after Bin Hammam spoke. 486 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,880 We were told about a gift to help the federations. 487 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,120 They invited us to a place to pick up the gift. 488 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,320 I waited my turn, and I went into the room, 489 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040 and there were some officials from the CFU. 490 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,800 They handed me an envelope marked "Puerto Rico." 491 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,320 And when I opened the envelope, there was money in cash. 492 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,960 The sum of $40,000 in cash. 493 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,560 I immediately said, "What's this for?" 494 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,800 "This is for you to use for whatever you want within football." 495 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,520 They obviously gave that sum of money to everyone. 496 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Had I been told, 497 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,520 "This is in exchange for a vote," I would have said, "I won't take it!" 498 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,960 In fact, I returned the money. 499 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,040 Sadly, most of them took the money, 500 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,760 but there were three or four notable exceptions 501 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,040 who refused to take the money 502 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,760 and reported it, 503 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120 and that had very far-reaching ramifications. 504 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,920 Within a few hours, news of these bags, these literal envelopes stuffed with cash, 505 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680 makes it to Blazer, who's in New York. 506 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,040 This put Chuck Blazer in a really uncomfortable position. 507 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,200 He'd worked with Jack Warner for almost 20 years. 508 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,480 So, we're watching a friendship unravel. 509 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,960 He had told Warner repeatedly not to hold this conference in Trinidad, 510 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,280 and he refused to do it. 511 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,120 Now this is happening. 512 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,160 Now, like, the most blatant corruption 513 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,440 he's ever seen in all his years in football 514 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400 is happening right under their noses. 515 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,280 They're handing out stacks of cash. 516 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880 Warner had become increasingly a bit of a public embarrassment to Blazer 517 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,240 and to football in general, and so Blazer decides to turn Warner in. 518 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,800 He's gonna report Warner 519 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800 to the high-level officials at FIFA in Zurich. 520 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,040 The day he had to make the call to talk about the cash in the envelopes, 521 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,920 right before he picked up the phone, he looked at me and he said, 522 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,440 "This will not end well." 523 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,760 I remember when I got called by Chuck Blazer, 524 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480 telling me that something happened in the Caribbean. 525 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,560 And Chuck Blazer sent me these pictures. 526 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,280 I went to Blatter, saying, "I, uh, I have been called by Chuck Blazer, 527 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,240 and he told me that this and that happen," 528 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,240 and I call the president of the Ethics Committee. 529 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,240 I told him, "You should come to Zurich immediately by train." 530 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,680 It was a Sunday. "We should meet because we have a... a big problem." 531 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,720 There are many strange things there. 532 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,960 Mohamed Bin Hammam fell into a trap. The other thing is, why did he do so? 533 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,920 Obviously, Bin Hammam was convinced that he should do some favors 534 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,720 to the members of the Caribbean Football Union. 535 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,480 And he did it, and he fell into the trap. 536 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,600 There was no bad intention of me to... to bribe people, you know. 537 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,760 It's again, you know, a conspiracy. 538 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,400 Don't forget that I am fighting FIFA, with all their resources. 539 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,360 So, definitely they can build a story 540 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,800 a thousand times more than I can build a story. 541 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,760 Today, we saw an announcement from FIFA's Ethics Commission 542 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,960 that they're investigating claims of corruption 543 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,640 that involved Jack Warner 544 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,000 and FIFA president candidate Mohamed Bin Hammam. 545 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,880 Have you ever tried to buy votes? 546 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,960 Uh, I have never intended to do so, all my life. 547 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,960 Did... did... did you ever give any money 548 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,880 to those officials in the Caribbean? 549 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,080 No, nobody, nobody. 550 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,240 Nobody can claim that he see me anywhere, you know, doing this. 551 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,600 I want to say again, Mr. Bin Hammam never, to the best of my knowledge, 552 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,320 gave any money to the countries in the Caribbean. 553 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,040 Jack, at that point, was so full of himself. 554 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,520 He thought he was, you know, immune to any kind of prosecution. 555 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,880 There's a very telling little episode 556 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,000 after the handing out of the cash in Trinidad, 557 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,720 and it's captured on film. 558 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,480 There are some people here who believe they're more pious than thou. 559 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960 If you're pious, open a church, friend. 560 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,720 But the fact is, our business is our business. 561 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,880 So, I'm making the point here, folks, that it was given to you because he said 562 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,960 he could not bring the... the silver tray and silver trinkets and so on. 563 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,400 So, I said, "Forget all of that." 564 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,720 "Put a value on it and give it to the countries." 565 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,840 And the gift you get is for you to determine 566 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,640 how best you want to use it 567 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,240 for development of football in your country. 568 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,760 And if there is anybody here who has a conscience 569 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,280 and wishes to send back the money, 570 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,720 I am willing to take it and give it back to him. 571 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120 But don't go and talk of this outside and believe that you're pious, 572 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,800 and you're holy and you're better than anybody else. 573 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,800 And I hope... I hope that's very clear. 574 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,360 What's the future for Jack Warner in CONCACAF? 575 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,720 For me, based on the evidence that I've seen, 576 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,160 I don't think there is one. 577 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,760 And how about your personal relationship with Jack Warner? 578 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,200 It's obviously been broken. 579 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,360 Okay, so do you think he feels a sense of betrayal? 580 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,800 Um, I... I feel betrayed, uh, based on what he... 581 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,520 The... the risk and danger he put our members to, 582 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,040 to expose them to this sort of situation 583 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,240 where, uh, they were in jeopardy by accepting, uh, the gifts, 584 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,200 I think is, uh, unconscionable. 585 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,680 Arriving for a press conference today, 586 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,040 the FIFA president was desperate to try and move on from the crisis. 587 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,320 Crisis? 588 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,880 What is a crisis? 589 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,720 We are not in a crisis. 590 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,960 We are only in some difficulties, and these difficulties will be solved, 591 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,280 will be solved inside our family. 592 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,680 But he still found himself dealing with explosive allegations, 593 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,640 this time about Qatar's bid for the 2022 World Cup. 594 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,040 It's obvious that things are going very bad for the Qataris. 595 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200 They were scared that they were gonna lose the bid 596 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,640 because of both my allegations that were out there 597 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,240 and Mohamed Bin Hammam and his story. 598 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,320 Blatter said a lot of wrongdoing took place 599 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,280 during the World Cup, uh, bidding, 600 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,520 and Bin Hammam is, uh, involved. 601 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,200 He did a lot of things to damage me, to damage my reputation. 602 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,320 He has no border, actually. 603 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,296 Sepp Blatter, being one of the great political minds in sport, 604 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040 sees in this scandal coming out of Port of Spain, Trinidad 605 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,240 an opportunity to get rid of his rival. 606 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,040 It's really a drama, how people are built up and then they fall. 607 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,480 They made a misjudgment on Blatter, 608 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:47,200 who brought them in as friends and dropped them as enemies. 609 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,640 He wanted to get rid of rivals, you know, 610 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,960 and the only one who took the challenge was Bin Hammam. 611 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,600 But Blatter had to find a way out, and, uh, he made a deal. 612 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,280 One day, Sheikh Jassim, the son of the emir, came to FIFA. 613 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,280 Bin Hammam also came to FIFA. 614 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,040 It was three days before the election. 615 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,720 Sheikh Jassim and Bin Hammam spoke and spoke. 616 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,080 I don't understand Arabic, 617 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,840 but then Prince Jassim said, 618 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,400 "No, we will speak in English, 619 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,000 uh, because we wanted Mr. Blatter he knows our conversation." 620 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,040 And he said, you know, 621 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,440 that the emir had said that, 622 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,880 "You shall not contest Mr. Blatter." 623 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,680 "We will support Mr. Blatter for the election 2011." 624 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,800 So, uh, Qatar would withdraw the candidature of Bin Hammam, 625 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,480 and Blatter would not anymore speak about the way Qatar won the election 626 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,160 to become host country of the World Cup 2022. 627 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,480 I know that Blatter will be able to harm us. 628 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,400 He has so many tricks. 629 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,240 I'm not going to jeopardize... I know Blatter can do it. 630 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,480 So, from my side, I said, "Well, I think I'm... I am done." 631 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,160 And, yes, I mean, these people definitely, you know, 632 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,840 they... they harm me the... the maximum. 633 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:31,200 Sepp Blatter has been re-elected FIFA president 634 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,520 after a major bribery scandal left him 635 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,800 as the only candidate to deal with a sporting crisis. 636 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,160 Blatter won another four-year term as head of soccer's governing body 637 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,680 after receiving 186 of 203 votes. 638 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,200 The 75-year-old Swiss executive has been in office since 1998. 639 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,240 Former challenger Mohamed Bin Hammam has been suspended 640 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,000 over allegations of bribery. 641 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,240 Vice president Jack Warner has also been suspended over bribery claims, 642 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,960 but says more damaging revelations for FIFA are about to emerge. 643 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,120 I said before, FIFA will feel a tsunami coming. 644 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,360 Trust me. You haven't seen it yet. 645 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,440 Because, at the end of the day, Blatter has to be stopped. 646 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,760 Sepp Blatter himself has been cleared of wrongdoing, 647 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,440 but this afternoon, can expect some tough questions 648 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,680 at a press conference. 649 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,880 He may survive this scandal, but FIFA's reputation has not. 650 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,400 One person I know who benefited from this was Chuck Blazer. 651 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,560 Warner is now out of football, Bin Hammam is out of football, 652 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,200 and Chuck Blazer, 653 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,320 in what is one of the most astoundingly upside-down moments in the whole story, 654 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,600 is hailed as a hero. 655 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,320 And news reports around the world are talking 656 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,280 about how Blazer's a whistleblower and someone who's there to save the game. 657 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,440 Fair play to Chuck Blazer because I'll tell you what, 658 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,200 for doing that, he's gotta be squeaky clean, which is good. 659 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,000 I'm not saying that he wasn't, but it takes a lot of courage to do that. 660 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,320 Chuck is not a whistleblower. 661 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:12,920 Whistleblower is somebody who looks around and says, 662 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680 "I don't wanna be a part of what's going wrong here," 663 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,120 and lets folks know what's going wrong. 664 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,880 Not somebody who was an engineer of what's wrong, 665 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,440 who benefited primarily from what's wrong for decades. 666 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,240 CONCACAF was located at 56th and 5th in New York City. That's Trump Tower. 667 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,160 We sat on the 17th floor, 668 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,720 and Chuck lived on the residential side, and he was on the 49th floor. 669 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,040 I think Chuck was motivated by maintaining a lifestyle 670 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,880 that FIFA and CONCACAF afforded him. 671 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,800 Every endeavor at CONCACAF has to begin and end 672 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,880 with making Chuck, personally, some money. 673 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,560 Chuck was taking a minimum of 10% 674 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,320 and sometimes more to himself with every deal. 675 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,000 It was abundantly clear that Blazer had profited 676 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,680 in all kinds of unsavory manners from the sport. 677 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,000 To me, it's illustrative not just of him, 678 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,160 but in general, the attitude that these high-level corrupt FIFA officials had, 679 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:39,560 which was that they were untouchable. 680 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,401 They didn't have the slightest idea anyone would ever come after them. 681 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,280 It didn't enter their mind that that was even remotely possible. 682 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,800 So, my experience, uh, in the FBI, in the New York office, 683 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,200 is that of, uh, organized crime. 684 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,800 At the time, this was back in 2010, 685 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,600 we were being mandated to broaden our reach, 686 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,760 look for international crime that was affecting us here in the States. 687 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,880 At the same time, there were some English journalists 688 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,960 who were raising the issue again of FIFA corruption, 689 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,600 notably the late Andrew Jennings, 690 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,040 a veteran campaigning journalist, 691 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,960 trying to expose FIFA corruption. 692 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,120 President Blatter, I must ask you, are you a fit and proper person 693 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,200 to control world football? 694 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,640 - Hello again. - Leave me alone. 695 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,800 - Can I ask you how much... - Leave me alone. 696 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,960 Please don't do that. Can I ask you how much money you're ma... 697 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,440 - Leave me alone! - Please, do something for us now. 698 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,920 Please don't do that. 699 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,600 Jack Warner, a long-standing executive at FIFA, football's world governing body, 700 00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,560 has resigned. 701 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,880 He was suspended a month ago following allegations of corruption. 702 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,440 FIFA said that, as a result of his resignation, 703 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,600 the investigation into Mr. Warner's conduct had been closed, 704 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,360 and he was presumed to be innocent. 705 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,520 Jack Warner, in disgrace after the Port of Spain bribery incident, 706 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,160 resigns before he could be thrown out of football, 707 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,840 and he promises the FIFA officials he's gonna unleash a tsunami on them. 708 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,960 And damaging information about Blazer begins leaking to Andrew Jennings. 709 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,800 Documents that show 710 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,480 that Blazer has all kinds of nice things he shouldn't have, 711 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,360 like apartments in Miami and the Bahamas, 712 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,360 and a beautiful Mercedes in Zurich, 713 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,720 and that he has all these incredible assets 714 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680 and yet no clear sense of where this money is coming from. 715 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,760 There were checks that Blazer has deposited into overseas accounts. 716 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,280 All this stuff ends up in a series of articles 717 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,320 that Jennings writes over the summer. 718 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,376 I had a bunch of different Google alerts 719 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,800 for a corruption project I had. 720 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,880 And I got one, one morning, 721 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,440 and it was from an article 722 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,240 by, uh, the English journalist Andrew Jennings. 723 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,840 I think it resonated with me just because of what football is to me, 724 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,680 growing up around it, what it is in my heart. 725 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,200 And there... there were allegations in these Andrew Jennings articles 726 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,080 about offshore accounts and Chuck Blazer. 727 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,920 So, I started looking at his background. 728 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,280 With an individual present in our own backyard, in New York City, 729 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,480 with information that seemed to be credible, 730 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,200 we think we're able to, uh, to start and begin an investigation. 731 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,840 If there's a crime here, a case to be made, 732 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,920 it's gonna come down to whether, um, there is some aspect to it 733 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,680 that really intersects with the United States. 734 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,200 What we came to learn over time was that there was a lot 735 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,160 and that was through the US financial system. 736 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080 I thought the best way was to trace money, 737 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,000 follow the money through the various wire transfer aspects 738 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,640 of how money moves around the world. 739 00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:18,560 Say you're gonna move money from a bank account in Switzerland 740 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,360 to a bank account in the Cayman Islands. 741 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,080 That wire transfer doesn't go 742 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,400 right from Switzerland to the Cayman Islands. 743 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,760 They have to have a correspondent bank in the United States. 744 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,560 And one of the first subpoenas that we did issue was the FIFA bank, 745 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,360 the UBS in Switzerland? 746 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,240 Well, they have a correspondent bank in the United States. 747 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,440 So, we got the records 748 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,880 of basically all the wire transfers going in and out of FIFA. 749 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,440 You know, you may have one thread of one business name, 750 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,800 and it just starts going out like a... like a spiderweb of leads. 751 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520 They used code names. 752 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,000 They used so many different bank accounts in offshore jurisdictions 753 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,960 to move the money from point A to point B to point C to point D to point E... 754 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,240 It was just dizzying. 755 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,200 But as we went along, we didn't know what the payments were for. 756 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,080 I knew from the time that I had spent doing Mafia cases 757 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,360 that there's nothing like a cooperating witness 758 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,200 in a... in... in a conspiracy case, in something that's complex, 759 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,400 to be able to just explain it all. 760 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,056 The next major moment is when Steve Berryman does something 761 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,680 that IRS agents are able to do, which is he pulls Chuck Blazer's tax returns, 762 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,880 and he can reveal what is sort of the, um, the ace in the hole 763 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,880 that he's got tucked up his sleeve, 764 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,800 and that is there are no tax returns. 765 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,520 Turns out that Blazer had never even filed taxes for at least 15 years. 766 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,480 And now they have Blazer right in their sights. 767 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,640 It's pretty much an open-and-shut case. 768 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:10,240 They can get him on those tax charges, no question. 769 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,400 Then the question is, "What do we wanna do with him?" 770 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,040 "Do we just wanna bust Chuck Blazer and put him away?" 771 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,800 "No, we don't. We want him because we want an informant." 772 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,240 And so the decision is made to approach him 773 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,840 and kind of make him an offer he can't refuse. 774 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,520 A lot weighed on the success of this approach. 775 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,120 It was much bigger than Chuck. 776 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,280 Chuck was going to be a first step towards a much wider investigation. 777 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,000 We'd just pulled out of Trump Tower 778 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,840 heading to Uncle Jack's Steakhouse, 779 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,280 and Chuck said, 780 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,560 "Mary Lynn, go on to the steakhouse with Al." 781 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,080 That was our friend who was with us. 782 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:02,280 And he got out of the van that he was in and got on his little motor scooter. 783 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,200 In between the Trump Tower and another building behind it, 784 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,280 there's kind of an atrium, and he just wheeled himself right up to the table. 785 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,160 He recognized quickly the, uh, the situation he was in. 786 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,240 I told him what we had on him. 787 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,400 Wire fraud, money laundering, tax evasion, 788 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,000 the non-reporting of foreign bank accounts. 789 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,880 The agent said, 790 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,960 "Mr. Blazer, you're looking at 75 to 100 years in jail right now." 791 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,960 "We can take you now or you can cooperate." 792 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,760 I mean, I remember him just looking at me... 793 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,480 ...and going... 794 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,160 And then he said, "I, uh, think I wanna help you guys." 795 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,320 "This is probably bigger than you know." 796 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,120 And I think we suggested that he get an attorney, 797 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,080 and... and so... so it went from there. 798 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,960 When he came upstairs, 799 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,040 I said, "Well, you know, your taxes, just... just pay 'em." 800 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,800 "Work out a deal. Just pay 'em." 801 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,640 And he goes, "Mary Lynn, I'm just a fat crook from Queens." 802 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120 And then... chickens came home to roost. 803 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,680 The FBI goes after FIFA. 804 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,560 Nobody is above the law. 805 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,480 Suddenly, you are in an FBI series on Netflix. 806 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,200 This is the World Cup of fraud. 807 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680 Maybe it is a Mafia-style organization. 808 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,400 Sepp Blatter isn't the only executive with questions to answer. 809 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,880 5,200 is the number of workers expected to die. 810 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,640 I'm being blamed for this storm. Well, then, fine. 811 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,040 Somewhere there is always an end. 812 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,200 I'll take the responsibility. 70574

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