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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:40,707 --> 00:00:43,881 In a filmmaking career that has spanned over 30 years, 2 00:00:43,911 --> 00:00:47,154 my next guest is the man responsible for such cinematic classics 3 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:50,161 as "The House of Usher," "Wild Angels," 4 00:00:50,183 --> 00:00:52,185 "The Monster from the Ocean Floor," 5 00:00:52,219 --> 00:00:54,699 "The Attack of the Crab Monsters." 6 00:00:54,721 --> 00:00:57,167 Please welcome Roger Corman. 8 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:04,501 Low-budget movies in those days- it wasn't like today. 10 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,279 Nobody was really trying to make them good. 11 00:01:09,303 --> 00:01:12,512 There was the real emphasis on the price. 14 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:20,555 Roger Corman has made more than 200 motion pictures in his career, 15 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:22,219 most of them for extremely low budget. 16 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:25,128 He's produced around 150-175 films. 17 00:01:25,152 --> 00:01:27,689 He made so many movies. In 1957, he directed 10 movies. 18 00:01:27,721 --> 00:01:29,223 Most people don't get to do that. 19 00:01:29,256 --> 00:01:31,532 He made 250 movies and never lost a dime. 20 00:01:33,694 --> 00:01:37,642 Okay, this is not a $20-million movie. 21 00:01:37,664 --> 00:01:40,440 You know, this is a $1.93 science fiction movie. 23 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:45,313 We knew these were made fast and cheap, 24 00:01:45,339 --> 00:01:49,082 and we also knew that taste was out of the question. 25 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:51,282 There was no need for taste. 26 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:54,315 The way Disney movies, you know, bring out the child in all of us, 27 00:01:54,348 --> 00:01:57,192 you know, so can exploitation. 28 00:01:59,486 --> 00:02:01,830 Sometimes he'll give the notes right on the script 29 00:02:01,855 --> 00:02:03,892 and you get little marginal references like 30 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:07,030 "Breast nudity possible here?" Question mark. 31 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:10,064 The goal was, Roger said, "Every motorcycle that runs, 32 00:02:12,099 --> 00:02:14,170 And then when it stops running, blow it up." 34 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:40,435 Aah! 35 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:42,940 He said, "Your job, if the cops come, 36 00:02:42,963 --> 00:02:45,000 is to pick up the camera and run." 37 00:02:45,032 --> 00:02:46,170 I said, "We're in the middle of the desert. 38 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:47,507 What do you mean, there is no water?" 39 00:02:47,534 --> 00:02:50,811 It's a Roger Corman movie, you know. There's no water. 40 00:02:53,273 --> 00:02:54,809 One take on everything. 41 00:02:54,841 --> 00:02:56,343 That's just the way he worked. 42 00:02:56,376 --> 00:02:58,720 You know, you didn't argue with him. 43 00:02:58,745 --> 00:03:01,225 And we were delighted to be working. 44 00:03:01,248 --> 00:03:03,489 It doesn't matter if people are happy. 45 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:06,521 It doesn't matter if you have a permit. None of it matters. 46 00:03:06,553 --> 00:03:09,500 You know, the only thing that counts is what you get inside the frame. 47 00:03:09,523 --> 00:03:11,503 He's still around, making pictures 48 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:13,801 in his 30$ and he's-- I just saw him the other day. 49 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:15,898 He hasn't changed at all. 51 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:51,065 Man: One, two, three. 52 00:03:52,499 --> 00:03:54,501 And action! 53 00:03:54,534 --> 00:03:56,536 Man: One, two, three. 54 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:59,949 I'm in the water with a giant creature on my arms... 56 00:04:01,508 --> 00:04:03,886 ...pumping blood out, chomping on a beautiful girl in a bikini. 57 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:06,652 I mean, it's the essence of Roger Corman cinema. 58 00:04:08,381 --> 00:04:10,657 Roger Corman: We feel that the monster 59 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,255 should kill somebody fairly early 60 00:04:13,286 --> 00:04:16,665 and then at regular intervals through the picture. 61 00:04:16,690 --> 00:04:20,365 The first kill should be quite shocking. 62 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:23,772 The other kills can be a little bit less shocking 63 00:04:23,797 --> 00:04:25,401 as we build up. 64 00:04:25,432 --> 00:04:27,070 And then of course the climax- 65 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:29,512 everything goes, blood all over the screen. 66 00:04:37,878 --> 00:04:40,358 Frances Doel: Roger had made two previous movies 67 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:43,224 for the Syfy channel that did very well for them. 68 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:45,821 And he said, "Okay, Frances it's 'Dino-shark.' 69 00:04:45,852 --> 00:04:47,525 You know what that is." 70 00:04:47,554 --> 00:04:50,160 And of course I say, "Yes, I know what that is. 71 00:04:50,190 --> 00:04:52,192 It's a giant shark." 72 00:04:52,225 --> 00:04:55,069 "Yes, but not too much like 'Jaws."' "No, of course not." 73 00:04:55,095 --> 00:04:57,837 - Woman: 122-Charlie, take three. - Man: Marker. 74 00:04:57,864 --> 00:05:00,538 Julie Corman: "Dinoshark" is about a shark 75 00:05:00,567 --> 00:05:03,138 that is unloosed because of global warming 76 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:05,309 from an avalanche north of Alaska... 77 00:05:05,338 --> 00:05:07,181 Eric Balfour: That's your killer. 78 00:05:07,207 --> 00:05:10,188 It hasn't eaten in 150 million years 79 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:12,212 and it's hungry. 80 00:05:12,245 --> 00:05:14,282 Julie: ...and somehow mysteriously 81 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,555 makes its way south to Puerto Vallarta 82 00:05:16,583 --> 00:05:18,756 and pretty much terrorizes 83 00:05:18,785 --> 00:05:21,129 everybody and everything in sight. 84 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:23,361 David Carradine: You know, that whole world 85 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:27,270 is just so different from the "Entertainment Weekly" world 86 00:05:27,294 --> 00:05:29,934 or the Academy Award world. 87 00:05:29,963 --> 00:05:32,409 The Golden Globes don't even hear about these things. 88 00:05:32,432 --> 00:05:35,606 You know, these pictures- they just go someplace else. 89 00:05:35,635 --> 00:05:37,546 And there's an incredible number of people 90 00:05:37,571 --> 00:05:39,517 that want to see a picture just like this. 91 00:05:39,539 --> 00:05:42,179 Doel: The Paradise Village location 92 00:05:42,209 --> 00:05:46,419 also had some accommodation for actors and crew and so on. 93 00:05:46,446 --> 00:05:49,984 So that's always been one of those little tricks up Roger's sleeve- 94 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:53,225 how he can do what he does on a budget. 95 00:05:53,253 --> 00:05:56,234 Roger always said, you know, "You could make 'Lawrence of Arabia' 96 00:05:56,256 --> 00:05:57,758 for a half a million dollars. 97 00:05:57,791 --> 00:05:59,134 You just don't leave the tent." 98 00:05:59,159 --> 00:06:01,435 Balfour: If you could imagine 99 00:06:01,461 --> 00:06:03,805 Knott's Berry Farm set on a beach, 100 00:06:03,830 --> 00:06:06,310 but the only people in the park were senior citizens, 101 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:10,679 no rides, but it had a theme-park-like atmosphere, 102 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:14,447 that is what we have affectionately dubbed 103 00:06:14,474 --> 00:06:15,976 Paradise Prison. 104 00:06:16,009 --> 00:06:18,285 Who is two minutes from being ready for what? 106 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:22,554 Balfour: At first I thought it was maybe some kind of 107 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:26,553 electromagnetic field that doesn't allow the walkie-talkie service. 108 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:28,224 Man: I need a radio that works. 110 00:06:30,490 --> 00:06:33,130 But it turns out that we just bought, 111 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:35,639 you know, children's walkie-talkies. 112 00:06:35,662 --> 00:06:39,007 This is full-on guerilla-style filmmaking. 113 00:06:39,032 --> 00:06:40,739 I mean, you know, we're sort of running and gunning 114 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:43,270 and stealing locations and driving boats 115 00:06:43,303 --> 00:06:45,977 where they shouldn't be driven. - Man: Go, go, go, get out! 116 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:47,917 Oh, my God. 117 00:06:47,941 --> 00:06:50,785 At one point they wanted somebody to get in this water... 118 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:53,154 - Man: Action! - ...to get attacked by something. 119 00:06:58,351 --> 00:07:02,424 Well, it turns out there was actually things to get attacked by. 120 00:07:02,455 --> 00:07:03,957 Not that this wasn't obvious. 121 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:07,563 There was a giant sign that said "Crocodiles." 122 00:07:15,902 --> 00:07:18,143 Should she be there? 123 00:07:18,171 --> 00:07:21,015 Well, that's where she was in the wide shot. 124 00:07:23,777 --> 00:07:27,953 - The way this will be cut, it'll work. - Okay. All right. 125 00:07:27,981 --> 00:07:31,019 You wouldn't think of the movies, if you met him, 126 00:07:31,051 --> 00:07:33,691 that he'd have done all these movies- 127 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,294 very polite, very-- almost British. 128 00:07:38,325 --> 00:07:40,327 He really came across, I felt, 129 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,671 as more like an English film professor, you know. 130 00:07:43,697 --> 00:07:46,871 I expected him to be teaching at Oxford or Cambridge 131 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,902 rather than kind of making all of these 132 00:07:48,935 --> 00:07:51,472 kind of violent exploitation movies that he had made. 133 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:54,246 I thought he'd be more like Lee J. Cobb, let's say, 134 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:57,585 or somebody a little-- where they're smoking a cigar 135 00:07:57,611 --> 00:07:59,682 and pounding on the desk and-- 136 00:07:59,713 --> 00:08:02,250 "You kids get in there and do that work," and, you know-- 137 00:08:02,282 --> 00:08:05,092 and actually he's very eloquent, 138 00:08:05,118 --> 00:08:07,928 elegant and precise, 139 00:08:07,954 --> 00:08:10,833 cool-headed, from what I saw, 140 00:08:10,857 --> 00:08:14,964 and very, very different from the type of person 141 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:18,340 you'd think would be behind these pictures like "Teenage Cave Man." 142 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:24,175 Corman: The difference between 143 00:08:24,204 --> 00:08:27,151 the image you present to the world 144 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:31,713 and what is going on inside, in your unconscious mind, 145 00:08:31,745 --> 00:08:34,157 is significant. 146 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:36,751 I've been told that my image is 147 00:08:36,783 --> 00:08:39,161 I'm just sort of an ordinary straight guy. 148 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,461 Clearly my unconscious mind 149 00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:44,867 is some sort of a boiling inferno there. 150 00:08:48,094 --> 00:08:50,802 Like most kids, I was interested in films 151 00:08:50,830 --> 00:08:53,504 essentially all my life. 152 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:57,106 I graduated from Stanford University in California in engineering. 153 00:08:57,137 --> 00:09:00,118 I worked four days as an engineer and quit. 154 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:02,142 The only job I could get in films 155 00:09:02,175 --> 00:09:04,246 was a messenger at 20th Century Fox. 156 00:09:04,277 --> 00:09:07,349 And I worked my way up from that to become a story analyst. 157 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:10,088 I read scripts, commented on them, 158 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:12,960 and handed in a synopsis of the script or the novel 159 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:16,058 or whatever had been proposed with my opinion. 160 00:09:16,089 --> 00:09:18,899 As the youngest reader, I was given 161 00:09:18,925 --> 00:09:21,735 frankly the most hopeless scripts to cover. 162 00:09:21,761 --> 00:09:23,434 And the story editor said, 163 00:09:23,463 --> 00:09:26,103 "Roger, you have never recommended one script." 164 00:09:26,132 --> 00:09:29,545 And I said, "You've never given me a script that's worth recommending." 165 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:31,571 So they sent me a script 166 00:09:31,604 --> 00:09:34,585 which was the first thing I'd ever read at Fox 167 00:09:34,607 --> 00:09:36,985 that I thought was really any good at all. 168 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:39,320 And I made a number of notes on it. 169 00:09:39,345 --> 00:09:43,816 The picture became "The Gunfighter" starring Gregory Peck. 170 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:48,265 And the story editor got a bonus for my notes. 171 00:09:48,288 --> 00:09:51,064 And I got no recognition for the fact 172 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:54,504 that a number of my ideas were used in the script. 173 00:09:54,527 --> 00:09:56,905 This became a big hit for Fox. 174 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:59,706 You would have thought he would have had some acknowledgment. 175 00:09:59,732 --> 00:10:04,374 This caused him to leave Fox and become what he is today. 176 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:06,577 After "The Gunfighter," 177 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,109 he corralled some money from our parents 178 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:11,281 and some of his money and a few friends', 179 00:10:11,311 --> 00:10:13,382 got an enormous number of deferments 180 00:10:13,413 --> 00:10:16,417 and made his first film-- "Monster from the Ocean Floor." 181 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:18,326 And that was basically 182 00:10:18,351 --> 00:10:20,854 the beginnings of Roger Corman. 183 00:10:21,921 --> 00:10:26,427 I was the producer, the assistant director and everything. 184 00:10:27,427 --> 00:10:30,203 I would drive the truck to the location 185 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:33,734 and unload everything I could by myself. 186 00:10:33,767 --> 00:10:36,111 And I would save about an hour 187 00:10:36,136 --> 00:10:38,673 on the crew salary every morning. 188 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:49,554 The second picture I made 189 00:10:49,582 --> 00:10:51,960 was a picture called "The Fast and the Furious." 190 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:55,956 It was about road racing and of course had very, very little money. 191 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:58,868 Jonathan Haze: Roger went to some sports car dealerships 192 00:10:58,892 --> 00:11:00,565 and borrowed sports cars. 193 00:11:00,593 --> 00:11:04,063 And we took the Windshields off them and actually raced them. 194 00:11:04,097 --> 00:11:07,340 And then we'd clean them up and take them back. 195 00:11:07,367 --> 00:11:10,041 Roger was just so inane at the time 196 00:11:10,069 --> 00:11:12,811 and was trying to do it himself 197 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:15,115 and was starting to run out of money. 198 00:11:15,141 --> 00:11:18,020 If you don't understand money in the movie business, 199 00:11:18,044 --> 00:11:21,651 it's like an artist who doesn't understand paint. 200 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:25,857 Roger told me, "Well, I understand paint. 201 00:11:25,885 --> 00:11:28,991 If I got to thin her up with turpentine or there's no picture, 202 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:31,696 why, she gets thinned up a little. 203 00:11:31,724 --> 00:11:33,635 That's all there is to it." 204 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:35,833 I could see the problem for the independent. 205 00:11:35,862 --> 00:11:39,400 You raised the money. You made the picture. 206 00:11:39,432 --> 00:11:43,107 And then you had to wait for the picture to earn its money back 207 00:11:43,136 --> 00:11:45,480 before you could make another picture. 208 00:11:45,505 --> 00:11:47,951 But Sam Arkoff and Jim Nicholson 209 00:11:47,974 --> 00:11:50,750 were starting a new company- American International. 210 00:11:50,777 --> 00:11:54,156 And they made me an offer for "The Fast and the Furious" 211 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:56,023 to start their company with. 212 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:58,051 I said, "I want a three-picture deal 213 00:11:58,084 --> 00:12:01,964 in which I'm guaranteed my money back. 214 00:12:01,988 --> 00:12:04,161 As soon as I finish one film, 215 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:07,296 I go to the next one using the guarantee." 216 00:12:07,327 --> 00:12:09,329 And that essentially started me 217 00:12:09,362 --> 00:12:12,241 on a regular basis of making films 218 00:12:12,265 --> 00:12:14,836 and started American International. 219 00:12:26,212 --> 00:12:29,284 Don't call me "squaw." 220 00:12:29,315 --> 00:12:32,524 You're a dirty apache squaw. 221 00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:34,498 I'm gonna kill you. 222 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,935 Your people did that-- raiding, thieving, killing. 224 00:12:40,526 --> 00:12:42,528 Haze: I was very famous for fighting with the girls. 225 00:12:42,562 --> 00:12:44,508 This was "Apache Woman." 226 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:48,637 Joan Taylor and I did a knife fight in the street. 227 00:12:48,668 --> 00:12:51,410 And this is Dick Miller in the background 228 00:12:51,437 --> 00:12:54,441 where he belonged. 229 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:57,546 A friend of mine, Jonathan Haze, said, 230 00:12:57,577 --> 00:13:01,218 "Well, maybe I'll introduce you to Roger Corman and he can help you." 231 00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:02,783 We went down there. He said, "What do you do?" 232 00:13:02,815 --> 00:13:04,419 I said, "I'm a writer." 233 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:06,987 He said, "We don't need any writers right now." 234 00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:10,467 He says, "I need actors." I said, "I'm an actor." 235 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,731 He says, "You want to play an Indian for me?" 236 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:14,761 At the end I got killed. 237 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:17,673 Roger said, "How would you like to play a cowboy for me?" 238 00:13:17,697 --> 00:13:19,404 I said, "Oh, are we going to another picture?" 239 00:13:19,432 --> 00:13:21,173 He says, "No, no, this picture." 240 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,476 I said, "Oh, God. Okay." 242 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:27,508 I wound up killing myself in the last scene. 243 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:29,542 I don't know what the budgets were, 244 00:13:29,575 --> 00:13:31,418 but they were really low. 245 00:13:31,444 --> 00:13:34,152 We shot them in seven days, so that gives you an idea. 246 00:13:34,180 --> 00:13:36,160 And that's everything, including special effects 247 00:13:36,182 --> 00:13:37,786 or anything else, you know. 248 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,821 Some weren't all that great, and Roger'd be the first guy to tell you that. 249 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:43,766 I never had the opportunity to go to film school. 250 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:49,731 My student work was being shown on the screen. 251 00:13:49,762 --> 00:13:52,800 And some of it wasn't quite as good as it might have been, 252 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,176 but I was learning all the time. 253 00:13:57,704 --> 00:14:00,412 Beat it, I said. You're on a battlefield. 254 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,977 I know that better than you do, Sergeant. How well are you doing? 255 00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:05,353 Half my men are dead. Nothing can stop that thing. 256 00:14:05,378 --> 00:14:06,880 Call off your troops. 257 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:15,663 Scorsese: It's as if these films were being made 258 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:17,759 on your street corner, in a way. 259 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:20,930 They weren't encumbered by having to deal with "art" 260 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,962 with a capital A-R-T. 261 00:14:22,995 --> 00:14:26,169 They just weren't-- I mean, they're art in another way. 262 00:14:34,073 --> 00:14:36,576 Corman: I learned fairly quickly 263 00:14:36,609 --> 00:14:39,453 how to handle the camera, what to do with editing, 264 00:14:39,479 --> 00:14:41,481 but I didn't know enough about acting, 265 00:14:41,514 --> 00:14:44,518 and I felt I should simply take a class. 266 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:46,621 And that was where I met Jack Nicholson. 267 00:14:46,652 --> 00:14:49,690 Nicholson: He came into the class with that little smile, 268 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:53,067 and everybody's as serious as a heart attack, you know. 269 00:14:53,092 --> 00:14:55,936 He had-- when I was first working for him, 270 00:14:55,962 --> 00:14:58,272 he told me he had 12 companies, 271 00:14:58,297 --> 00:15:01,870 the contracts of which were all in his back pocket. 272 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:04,436 I mean, he was a one-man band. 273 00:15:04,437 --> 00:15:06,713 Don't make me. 274 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:08,946 Don't be a fool, kid. 275 00:15:08,975 --> 00:15:11,182 You think I would carry a real gun? 277 00:15:15,248 --> 00:15:18,957 As a matter of fact, the first picture Jack Nicholson starred in 278 00:15:18,985 --> 00:15:21,556 was for me-- a picture called "The Cry Baby Killer" 279 00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:24,591 about a kid who takes a drive-in hostage. 280 00:15:24,624 --> 00:15:27,332 It's coming. Can't you get him to be quiet until it comes? 281 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,897 Nicholson: I hadn't really worked at all before. 282 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:32,569 Then I got a lead in the movie. I thought, "Oh, this is it. 283 00:15:32,598 --> 00:15:36,068 I'm here. I'm gonna be big," you know. 284 00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:39,208 Then I didn't even get an interview for the next year. 285 00:15:39,238 --> 00:15:42,481 Look, Carole was a swell girl until Manny got his hands on her. 286 00:15:42,508 --> 00:15:44,488 You mean, till she wanted Manny's hands on her. 287 00:15:44,510 --> 00:15:45,682 Listen, Fred... 288 00:15:45,711 --> 00:15:48,419 "Cry Baby Killer" was just humiliating... 289 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:51,428 ...but good for me. 290 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:54,455 Hey, Roger's the only guy who hired me for about 10 years. 291 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:58,230 Teenagers-- never had 'em when I was a kid. 292 00:15:58,257 --> 00:16:01,636 The word "teenager" didn't really exist until the '50s. 293 00:16:01,661 --> 00:16:03,766 If you look at the '40s and '30s, 294 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:05,901 their idea of a teenage movie was "Andy Hardy." 295 00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:07,775 Hey, Betsy. 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,780 Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! What do you think's happened? 297 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:11,941 - What do you think's happened? - What? Well, tell me what. 298 00:16:11,971 --> 00:16:14,679 Cynthia won't go to the dance and I don't know why and I don't want to. 299 00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:16,118 Times were changing. 300 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:19,248 - Dave! - Okay, Johnny. 301 00:16:19,278 --> 00:16:22,919 Corman: The major studios didn't really understand 302 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:26,897 the audience was looking for a different type of film. 303 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,628 If we were going to make pictures about young people, 304 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:33,193 I'd have picked a young guy like Jack Nicholson. 305 00:16:33,226 --> 00:16:35,638 But you're through breaking the law. 306 00:16:35,661 --> 00:16:39,131 Sarge, I don't break the law. I make my own. 307 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:42,840 Roger really realized that young people at that time 308 00:16:42,869 --> 00:16:45,145 really liked movies where teenagers 309 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:47,276 were in trouble with the authorities. 310 00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:49,912 He had found an audience that you didn't have to go 311 00:16:49,942 --> 00:16:52,923 through the studio system to reach. 312 00:16:52,945 --> 00:16:55,448 Not only was he a rebel from Hollywood 313 00:16:55,481 --> 00:16:59,588 in that he did it all himself and did it outside of the studio system, 314 00:16:59,619 --> 00:17:04,068 but there was an edge of rebellion, you know, to the movies. 315 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:09,306 Dante: You make it as disreputable as possible 316 00:17:09,328 --> 00:17:11,239 so that the parents wouldn't want them to see it 317 00:17:11,264 --> 00:17:12,834 and that they feel that when they go there, 318 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:14,674 they're doing something transgressive, 319 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,873 and you've got an audience. 320 00:17:16,903 --> 00:17:18,644 You're making outlaw movies, basically. 321 00:17:18,671 --> 00:17:20,344 And Roger has always been an outlaw. 322 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:23,286 Let go of me. you big ape! 323 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:26,781 Now beat it, smart boy, and don't come back 324 00:17:26,812 --> 00:17:28,758 or I'll break your head. 325 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:30,727 Break whose head, you phony Frenchman? 326 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:33,196 You ain't so tough. Took this moose-head to throw me out 327 00:17:33,219 --> 00:17:35,893 Corman: I've always been anti-establishment. 328 00:17:35,922 --> 00:17:38,232 I spent two years in the Navy. 329 00:17:38,257 --> 00:17:42,205 Those were the worst two years of my life. 330 00:17:42,228 --> 00:17:46,370 I came very close to setting the record for the most demerits, 331 00:17:46,399 --> 00:17:50,245 because I felt if they set up a rule, 332 00:17:50,269 --> 00:17:52,909 I really must break that rule. 333 00:17:52,939 --> 00:17:55,385 Ron Howard: Roger understood 334 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:58,719 the need for audiences to identify with rebellion. 335 00:17:58,744 --> 00:18:01,156 Beating the system- that's cathartic, 336 00:18:01,180 --> 00:18:03,387 you know, defining yourself on your own terms. 337 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:05,396 These things are elemental. 338 00:18:05,418 --> 00:18:08,865 They're all what we go through during those rites of passage. 339 00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:12,263 I think that he understood that when he was dealing 340 00:18:12,291 --> 00:18:14,237 with those basic experiences and feelings 341 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:17,104 that he was talking to a young audience. 342 00:18:17,129 --> 00:18:19,040 We know he always had something up his sleeve. 343 00:18:19,065 --> 00:18:21,807 He was more irreverent. He was more hip-- 344 00:18:21,834 --> 00:18:23,575 very hip, very cool. 345 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,810 "A Bucket of Blood" is a really good example of parody 346 00:18:25,838 --> 00:18:28,341 of the hip scene, the beat scene in LA. 347 00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:30,820 Walter, you've done something to me, 348 00:18:30,843 --> 00:18:34,052 something deep down inside of my prana. 349 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,923 I have? 350 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:38,519 Oh, Walter, I want to be with you. 351 00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:40,155 You're creative. 352 00:18:40,186 --> 00:18:42,894 Almost all of Roger's pictures has a little edge to them. 353 00:18:42,922 --> 00:18:45,869 They were-- they just bordered on 354 00:18:45,892 --> 00:18:49,897 something sacrosanct, that you shouldn't touch this, 355 00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,806 And that's usually what pulled the picture through. 356 00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:57,144 Feed me. 357 00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:59,376 I'm sorry, pal. I'm fresh out of blood. 358 00:18:59,405 --> 00:19:00,645 Talk to somebody else. 359 00:19:00,673 --> 00:19:02,209 I'm hungry. 360 00:19:02,241 --> 00:19:04,152 I don't care what you are. 361 00:19:04,176 --> 00:19:07,419 Can't you see I'm knocked out? I just killed a man. 362 00:19:07,446 --> 00:19:08,948 I'm a murderer. 363 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:10,688 He was always pushing. 364 00:19:10,716 --> 00:19:13,094 Roger's idea at the time 365 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,599 was to cut down the time of shooting. 366 00:19:15,621 --> 00:19:17,897 So now his ambition 367 00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,165 was to make a film in two days. 368 00:19:20,192 --> 00:19:23,401 Now no Novocain. It dulls the senses. 369 00:19:23,429 --> 00:19:26,069 Haze: It was work. I mean, we would get there early in the morning 370 00:19:26,098 --> 00:19:28,942 and we'd just start grinding out these scenes. 371 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,845 One day was half the movie. 373 00:19:33,272 --> 00:19:36,151 Oh, my God, don't stop now. 374 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:38,280 Roger had borrowed all the dental equipment 375 00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:40,313 from his personal dentist 376 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:42,622 and they hadn't bolted it down to the floor. 378 00:19:46,385 --> 00:19:50,128 We banged into this big dental shit and it started to fall over. 379 00:19:50,156 --> 00:19:52,762 And Roger cut the camera and ran out 380 00:19:52,792 --> 00:19:54,772 and saved the dental equipment. 381 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:57,866 To hell with the scene. 382 00:19:57,897 --> 00:20:01,606 I can truly say I've never enjoyed myself so much. 383 00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:04,547 Nicholson: I'd have terrible experiences going into the theater 384 00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:07,278 with movies that I had made in that period with Roger, 385 00:20:07,306 --> 00:20:10,583 'cause, you know, they were kind of-- a lot of them were grim. 386 00:20:10,609 --> 00:20:13,852 - Bye. - Bye now. 387 00:20:14,847 --> 00:20:18,624 By mistake he actually made a good picture every once in a while. 388 00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:20,494 I was never in it, 389 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:23,888 but that was as much my fault as the next guy's. 390 00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:24,230 391 00:20:35,634 --> 00:20:37,636 Corman: By the beginning of the '60s 392 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:41,777 I began to have confidence in my ability 393 00:20:41,807 --> 00:20:45,050 to master the craft. 394 00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:47,785 At least 395 00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:51,090 she has found peace now. 396 00:20:51,117 --> 00:20:52,824 Has she? 397 00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:54,729 Jonathan Demme: We'd never miss a Poe movie. 398 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:58,167 They were riveting and stylish 399 00:20:58,190 --> 00:21:00,192 and hip and funny. 400 00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:10,806 And we couldn't wait for the next one. 401 00:21:10,836 --> 00:21:12,747 And of course with Roger, you didn't have to wait very long. 402 00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:14,718 The next one was gonna come out, like, a month later. 403 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:17,914 Do you know where you are, Bartolome? 404 00:21:18,911 --> 00:21:21,357 The pit 405 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:22,950 and the pendulum. 406 00:21:22,982 --> 00:21:25,986 Howard: The Poe movies were huge for me, 407 00:21:26,018 --> 00:21:27,520 especially "The Pit and the Pendulum." 408 00:21:27,553 --> 00:21:29,555 They had this TV campaign 409 00:21:29,588 --> 00:21:33,092 where the blade was coming down, you know, and just kind of-- whew. 410 00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:36,334 And, oh, my God, it was- and I rushed. 411 00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:39,036 In fact, that's probably the first time that a TV campaign 412 00:21:39,065 --> 00:21:41,136 made me go to the movie. 413 00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:47,240 They were so successful, 414 00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:49,981 I ended up making six Edgar Allan Poe films. 415 00:21:52,011 --> 00:21:53,513 Scorsese: The artistry of the films 416 00:21:53,546 --> 00:21:55,822 really developed into the Poe pictures: 417 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:57,589 "The House of Usher," "The Pit and the Pendulum," 418 00:21:57,616 --> 00:22:00,153 and "The Tomb of Ligeia," which is my favorite. 419 00:22:00,186 --> 00:22:02,860 She desecrates the earth in which she lies. 422 00:22:13,232 --> 00:22:15,872 A nervous contraction, 423 00:22:15,901 --> 00:22:17,744 nothing more. 424 00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:19,477 Scorsese: He was a name that we'd go like-- 425 00:22:19,505 --> 00:22:20,882 I must say like a Hitchcock film. 426 00:22:20,906 --> 00:22:22,283 We'd go see a Roger Corman. 427 00:22:22,308 --> 00:22:24,151 Corman: They wanted me to make more, 428 00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:27,555 but by that time I said, "Enough. I'm starting to repeat myself." 429 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:30,618 We played it for a little bit of humor in some of the later pictures, 430 00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:32,492 particularly "The Raven." 431 00:22:32,518 --> 00:22:34,623 Nicholson: I was doing "The Raven." 433 00:22:37,156 --> 00:22:40,262 And he said, "Jack, look, these sets 434 00:22:40,292 --> 00:22:42,636 are gonna be up over the weekend, 435 00:22:42,661 --> 00:22:46,074 so I can use the same sets for free. 436 00:22:46,098 --> 00:22:48,942 I'm gonna have somebody write something." 437 00:22:48,968 --> 00:22:50,504 And he went and he got a guy who wrote 438 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:53,244 63 pages of just dialogue. 439 00:22:53,272 --> 00:22:56,810 To this day, no one knows the plot of "The Terror." 440 00:22:56,842 --> 00:22:59,948 It was very strange. I mean, we played the weirdest characters. 441 00:22:59,979 --> 00:23:03,426 I played a guy that was an assistant to a witch. 442 00:23:03,449 --> 00:23:06,191 In the beginning of the film, I'm a deaf-mute. 443 00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:08,494 And then halfway through the film, they decided 444 00:23:08,521 --> 00:23:10,296 that they didn't have an ending for the film. 445 00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:11,824 They'd better make me talk. 446 00:23:11,857 --> 00:23:14,133 I can say no more. There is great danger. 447 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,834 Find Eric. Eric knows. 448 00:23:16,862 --> 00:23:19,502 Haze: Dick played a livery butler 449 00:23:19,532 --> 00:23:21,011 with a New York accent. 450 00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:23,172 Nicholson: And you'll see in the picture now-- 451 00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:26,342 God forbid, I don't want to encourage anyone to see it-- 452 00:23:26,372 --> 00:23:29,285 I throw Dick Miller up against this door. 453 00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:30,480 Where's the baron? 454 00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:32,750 We must get to him. He's locked himself in the crypt. 455 00:23:32,778 --> 00:23:35,315 And Dick Miller now tries to explain 456 00:23:35,347 --> 00:23:38,260 the entire picture in one speech. 457 00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:40,924 The baron did return that night to find Eric with the baroness 458 00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:42,227 and he did kill her. 459 00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:43,790 But there was a struggle, and in the fight 460 00:23:43,822 --> 00:23:45,927 it was not Eric who died, but the baron. 461 00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:47,403 I killed the baron. 462 00:23:49,895 --> 00:23:52,774 'Cause there is-- there's no story actually arrived at. 463 00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:55,176 Corman: Various directors shot the film. 464 00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:58,876 Francis Coppola started and shot some sequences at Big Sur, 465 00:23:58,904 --> 00:24:01,475 but then got an opportunity at a major studio. 466 00:24:01,507 --> 00:24:04,386 Sol had Monte Hellman shoot for a while. 467 00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:06,686 Monte then got another job 468 00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:09,283 and I think-- 469 00:24:09,315 --> 00:24:10,817 I've forgotten all the directors. 470 00:24:10,849 --> 00:24:12,419 There were four or five directors, 471 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:15,489 including finally Jack Nicholson shot some scenes himself. 472 00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:17,626 And eventually I went in for an hour 473 00:24:17,656 --> 00:24:20,899 and shot the final tie-in shots and finished the picture. 474 00:24:20,926 --> 00:24:23,600 It is a somewhat confusing picture. 476 00:24:36,842 --> 00:24:38,844 Oh, man, God. 477 00:24:38,877 --> 00:24:42,154 Hopeless, all of it. 478 00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:46,926 I think he wanted to be taken seriously as a filmmaker 479 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:51,161 monster movies and sci-fi movies. 480 00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:55,297 Perhaps it's not so much that he wanted critical acclaim, 481 00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:59,173 but he wanted some depth, some feeling, 482 00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:01,474 some reason for making a movie. 483 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,003 I wanted to do something a little bit different. 484 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,038 And I'd read the book "The Intruder," 485 00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:09,348 which was about the integration of the schools in the South. 486 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:11,446 And I wanted to make that picture. 487 00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:15,254 I was very much in favor of integration. 488 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,159 I showed the screenplay to American International 489 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:20,185 and said, "This will be my next picture." 490 00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:23,792 To my real surprise, they said they didn't want to make it. 491 00:25:23,822 --> 00:25:25,824 And they'd never said no. 492 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,964 I took it to Allied Artists. They said no. 493 00:25:28,994 --> 00:25:31,804 Everybody said no, so I said, "All right, I'll make it myself." 494 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:35,539 So my brother and I produced it in the South. 496 00:25:36,602 --> 00:25:39,640 "He was a leader of men, but he was evil. 497 00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:42,118 He was a stranger, but he brought lust and love, 498 00:25:42,141 --> 00:25:44,781 rape and hate to this quiet Southern town. 499 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:46,721 He was the intruder." 500 00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:50,249 This is not the reason we made this film. 501 00:25:50,282 --> 00:25:53,627 It is the exact opposite 502 00:25:53,652 --> 00:25:56,531 of what we intended this film to be. 503 00:25:56,555 --> 00:26:00,628 It was not and is not an exploitation film. 504 00:26:00,659 --> 00:26:04,539 This picture was the first film that Roger could actually make 505 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:06,736 a statement about his personal feelings 506 00:26:06,765 --> 00:26:09,177 as opposed to doing the Poe films 507 00:26:09,201 --> 00:26:12,546 or the films that were just exploitation, drive-in films. 508 00:26:14,606 --> 00:26:16,882 Corman: Playing the lead was the new young actor 509 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:20,049 making his first film-- Bill Shatner. 510 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:23,822 All I knew was that it was a wonderful part 511 00:26:23,849 --> 00:26:26,295 and it was a wonderful opportunity for me 512 00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:28,559 at an early point in my career. 513 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:31,090 The character I played was based on a real person. 514 00:26:31,123 --> 00:26:34,070 He was a white supremacist from New York City 515 00:26:34,093 --> 00:26:38,269 and went down into the South to rabble-rouse 516 00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:42,712 and tries to stop the integration of a school. 517 00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:46,682 I mean, they've got 10 niggers enrolled already in the school. 518 00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:48,480 And they're starting Monday. 519 00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:51,044 Yes, I know. Do you think it's right? 520 00:26:51,076 --> 00:26:52,953 No, I sure don't. 521 00:26:52,978 --> 00:26:54,582 Neither does nobody. 522 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:56,115 But it's the law. 523 00:26:56,148 --> 00:26:58,025 Whose law? 524 00:26:58,050 --> 00:27:01,259 Shatner: What is difficult for people to understand now-- 525 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:05,359 "separate but equal" was the law of the land. 526 00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:07,631 That meant water fountains, 527 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:09,764 that meant restaurants, 528 00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:11,433 it meant schools 529 00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:14,171 that were totally segregated. 530 00:27:14,199 --> 00:27:17,578 It was the height of the integration wars. 531 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:23,419 It became very apparent once we were down there 532 00:27:23,442 --> 00:27:26,423 that people held polar opposite views 533 00:27:26,445 --> 00:27:28,288 of what was right and what was wrong. 535 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,151 Man: Take it easy, nigger. You're not going anywhere. 536 00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:33,959 - Driver: What's the trouble? - Are you looking for trouble? 537 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,693 No, sir. We're on our way to the house. 538 00:27:35,721 --> 00:27:37,132 "Just on our way to the house." 539 00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:40,137 I didn't tell people what the subject matter is, 540 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,730 but the title-- "Intruder," you know. 541 00:27:42,761 --> 00:27:45,742 And with the track record of Roger, all the films, 542 00:27:45,764 --> 00:27:48,506 I mean, they naturally thought it was a horror film 543 00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,605 or something in that genre. 544 00:27:50,636 --> 00:27:55,312 It was only as everything started to unfold 545 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:58,014 and they saw exactly what was happening- 546 00:27:58,043 --> 00:28:00,580 I mean, people were driving us out of locations. 547 00:28:00,612 --> 00:28:02,614 We had to change motels. 548 00:28:02,648 --> 00:28:05,424 I mean, it got to be very heavy down there. 549 00:28:05,451 --> 00:28:08,660 Hey, are you really gonna make him go to the white school tomorrow? 550 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,894 Why, I'm not making him go. 551 00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:12,425 Am I. Joey? 552 00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:15,336 - No, Ma. - Well, it's too bad I ain't old enough. 553 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,271 I wouldn't be scared, that's all. 554 00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:18,536 Who's scared? 555 00:28:18,564 --> 00:28:20,566 We were having our lives threatened 556 00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,079 to make a film about integration. 557 00:28:23,101 --> 00:28:27,447 Roger displayed such courage under fire. 558 00:28:27,472 --> 00:28:30,112 And Gene Corman, his brother- 559 00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:32,383 such courage to make the film. 560 00:28:32,411 --> 00:28:34,413 There was such animosity 561 00:28:34,446 --> 00:28:37,325 and the experience of hatred 562 00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:41,195 that I think we realized we had a bigger problem. 563 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:43,666 I think we were more naive 564 00:28:43,689 --> 00:28:47,034 than we should have been at that point in time. 565 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:50,302 You were alone with a white girl 566 00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:52,741 in the basement of the school, 567 00:28:52,765 --> 00:28:55,405 but you didn't try to do anything? 568 00:28:55,434 --> 00:28:58,643 Is that what you expect us to believe, nigger? 569 00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:01,412 - Well, speak LIP! 570 00:29:02,808 --> 00:29:05,687 Gene: We felt we should definitely expose our audience 571 00:29:05,711 --> 00:29:07,384 to this kind of material, 572 00:29:07,412 --> 00:29:10,188 because this is what was going on in America 573 00:29:10,215 --> 00:29:12,593 and somebody had to say, "Stop. 574 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:15,189 This is not the American way." 575 00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:18,201 It was a lie-- everything, 576 00:29:18,223 --> 00:29:21,534 everything I said about Joey, all of it. 577 00:29:26,031 --> 00:29:29,069 You were gonna kill this boy. You know it and I know it. 578 00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:32,139 Shatner: Making films is a dedication. 579 00:29:32,170 --> 00:29:34,081 You have to be possessed. 580 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:36,177 At some point there, I realized 581 00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:39,087 that they had mortgaged their home for that film. 582 00:29:39,111 --> 00:29:42,149 That, perhaps, was the most admirable thing of all, 583 00:29:42,181 --> 00:29:44,661 because it's one thing to be cavalier 584 00:29:44,683 --> 00:29:46,685 about spending money that isn't yours, 585 00:29:46,718 --> 00:29:50,632 but to be so adamant 586 00:29:50,656 --> 00:29:55,503 as to put your house on the line, 587 00:29:55,527 --> 00:29:57,973 that's-- that's extraordinary. 588 00:29:57,996 --> 00:30:00,135 We aren't gonna give up now, 589 00:30:00,165 --> 00:30:02,145 not now. 590 00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:04,340 No, sir, not ever. 591 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,480 Gene: I'd set up the sneak preview with Pacific Theaters. 592 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:14,252 It was almost a riot in the theater. 593 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,123 People were screaming, "Communist!" 594 00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,719 And one of the ushers 595 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:20,730 or one of the people who worked at the theater 596 00:30:20,752 --> 00:30:22,789 came up to me, pinned me against the wall, 597 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:26,564 said, "You're a Communist. You don't belong in this country." 598 00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:30,904 The picture was a wonderful commercial 599 00:30:30,929 --> 00:30:32,875 failure. 600 00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:36,573 I started to say "a wonderful critical success," 601 00:30:36,601 --> 00:30:38,080 but I got confused. 602 00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:42,745 But I'll leave the confusion there because it's all wound up in my mind. 603 00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:46,779 It sort of gets me in the stomach when I talk about it. 604 00:30:46,812 --> 00:30:49,622 Gene: This is the only film 605 00:30:49,648 --> 00:30:51,924 that I don't think we ever made money on. 606 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:55,295 And yet it was our best film. We were ahead of the time. 607 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,598 It made me rethink my method of making pictures. 608 00:30:59,624 --> 00:31:02,332 And I felt the public 609 00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:06,571 really is the ultimate arbiter 610 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:08,874 of your film. 611 00:31:08,901 --> 00:31:12,007 If there's something you really want to do-- 612 00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:14,278 in Roger's case it's making movies- 613 00:31:14,306 --> 00:31:15,979 then you keep on doing it. 614 00:31:16,008 --> 00:31:18,818 Every time you fail, you just keep on. 615 00:31:18,844 --> 00:31:21,051 Corman: I thought, "I should go back 616 00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,286 to a more commercial type of film." 617 00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:26,819 I was starting to learn method acting technique. 618 00:31:26,852 --> 00:31:29,992 There was what was known as the text and the subtext. 619 00:31:30,022 --> 00:31:32,332 The text is the written script, 620 00:31:32,357 --> 00:31:34,234 what you were saying. 621 00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:36,739 The subtext is what you mean, 622 00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:38,764 what you really feel, 623 00:31:38,797 --> 00:31:41,334 that causes you to say these words. 624 00:31:41,366 --> 00:31:43,368 And I felt 625 00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:47,577 I should make my subject matter the text, 626 00:31:47,606 --> 00:31:50,246 which will be a commercial text, 627 00:31:50,275 --> 00:31:52,653 but my theme, 628 00:31:52,678 --> 00:31:54,919 my message, what is important to me, 629 00:31:54,946 --> 00:31:57,017 should be the subtext, 630 00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:59,791 so the audience will get what they paid their money to see. 631 00:31:59,818 --> 00:32:04,233 I think he consciously was looking 632 00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:08,762 to contemporary events, news, 633 00:32:08,794 --> 00:32:11,929 for inspiration for material to make a movie. 634 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,308 Corman: AIP said, "All right, what do you want to make?" 635 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:17,075 I said, "There's a phenomenon in the country right now-- 636 00:32:17,102 --> 00:32:20,174 the Hells Angels, the outlaw motorcycle gangs. 637 00:32:20,205 --> 00:32:23,345 I want to make a picture about the Hells Angels." 638 00:32:23,375 --> 00:32:25,912 And they agreed instantly. 639 00:32:27,312 --> 00:32:30,987 Peter Bogdanovich: Roger offered me $125 a week 640 00:32:31,016 --> 00:32:35,192 to work as his assistant on the picture. 641 00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:39,532 And he said I could take Polly with me. 642 00:32:39,558 --> 00:32:43,335 His reputation was, you know, complicated, 643 00:32:43,361 --> 00:32:45,773 because I kept hearing that he was a millionaire. 644 00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:48,038 And I thought he was pretty eccentric, you know, 645 00:32:48,066 --> 00:32:49,841 'cause he didn't live like a millionaire. 646 00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:53,111 But I had little interest in his movies, to be honest, 647 00:32:53,138 --> 00:32:55,812 because I was a big snob and I only liked Fritz Lang 648 00:32:55,841 --> 00:32:57,582 and Howard Hawks and John Ford. 649 00:32:57,609 --> 00:33:00,055 The star of the picture was George Chakiris 650 00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:02,080 who'd won an Oscar for "Westside Story." 651 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:06,830 The phone rang in my house here 652 00:33:06,852 --> 00:33:10,197 in Los Angeles, in Beverly Hills, and it was Roger. 653 00:33:10,222 --> 00:33:11,724 He said, "We have a problem." 654 00:33:11,757 --> 00:33:14,897 I said, "George can't ride." He said, "How do you know?" 655 00:33:14,926 --> 00:33:17,702 I said, "Because I know George. He can dance, but he can't ride. 656 00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:20,039 You need a biker." "Do you ride?" 657 00:33:20,065 --> 00:33:23,137 I said, "Oh, yeah, Roger, I ride. 658 00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:24,875 I'll do it." 659 00:33:24,903 --> 00:33:26,439 I said, "Who's gonna play my part?" 660 00:33:26,471 --> 00:33:28,508 He said, "Bruce Dem." I said, "Great. I know Dernsy." 661 00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,781 Bruce Dem: We just had, like, eight actors, 662 00:33:30,809 --> 00:33:33,585 and the rest were all extras. 663 00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:36,786 But the extras made the movie, because they had the machines 664 00:33:36,815 --> 00:33:38,624 and they were what the movie was about. 665 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:40,652 And they were real Hells Angels guys. 666 00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:42,790 They were terrible. They were frightening. 667 00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:44,823 Dem: We all rode our bikes 668 00:33:44,856 --> 00:33:47,063 down the 2, in the desert. 669 00:33:47,092 --> 00:33:49,094 And he filmed it along the way. 670 00:33:49,127 --> 00:33:51,971 But he didn't get a police escort or anything like that. 671 00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:54,944 He got no permits. We just did it. 672 00:33:54,966 --> 00:33:58,209 It was the beginning of what you know now 673 00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:00,978 as real guerrilla filmmaking. 674 00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:04,783 You know, Roger's a guy who's not gonna miss an opportunity 675 00:34:04,809 --> 00:34:07,813 to take advantage of every single thing he can shoot. 676 00:34:07,846 --> 00:34:10,224 At one point, there was supposed to be a kind of a fight 677 00:34:10,248 --> 00:34:14,094 between the Hells Angels and the townies. 678 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,121 We didn't have enough townies, so Roger turns to me 679 00:34:16,154 --> 00:34:19,135 and he says, "You run in there, be a townie." 680 00:34:19,157 --> 00:34:22,866 So I run in, and within seconds, 681 00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:25,932 the Angels were beating the shit out of me. 682 00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:31,572 All I did was go right down to the ground 683 00:34:31,603 --> 00:34:34,174 and just prayed for "Cut!" 684 00:34:34,206 --> 00:34:37,847 Dem: When work was over, you never saw Roger. 685 00:34:37,876 --> 00:34:41,790 He didn't go to dinner. He didn't-- you didn't know what he did. 686 00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:44,953 As close as we were to him on that picture, 687 00:34:44,983 --> 00:34:47,224 and we were literally his only friends- 688 00:34:47,252 --> 00:34:49,254 I mean, not that nobody liked him, 689 00:34:49,287 --> 00:34:53,599 but he was just-- didn't reach out toward friendship. 690 00:34:53,625 --> 00:34:56,572 And he remained mysterious. 691 00:34:56,595 --> 00:34:58,597 But tell me, 692 00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:01,076 just what is it that you want to do? 694 00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:05,637 Well, we want to be free. 695 00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:08,412 We want to be free to do what we want to do. 696 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,886 We want to be free to ride. 697 00:35:10,909 --> 00:35:12,684 We want to be free to ride our machines 698 00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:14,713 without being hassled by The Man. 699 00:35:14,746 --> 00:35:17,590 And we want to get loaded. 700 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:19,562 - Crowd: Yeah! - Man: I second the motion. 701 00:35:19,584 --> 00:35:21,723 Dem: I remember asking him, 702 00:35:21,753 --> 00:35:25,291 oh, about the third or fourth day of the "Wild Angels"- 703 00:35:25,323 --> 00:35:28,793 I said, "How many of these things have you done?" 704 00:35:28,827 --> 00:35:31,307 He said, "This is my 100th." 705 00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:36,608 This is 42 years ago, 706 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:40,208 and this was his 100th movie he directed. 707 00:35:40,238 --> 00:35:42,809 Oh, my God. 708 00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:46,152 The film was really an incredible success. 709 00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:48,988 It was the biggest-grossing independent film 710 00:35:49,014 --> 00:35:50,994 ever made at that time. 711 00:35:51,016 --> 00:35:53,292 Bogdanovich: "The Wild Angels" was a tremendous success. 712 00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:55,161 It was a huge hit. 713 00:35:55,186 --> 00:35:58,099 It galvanized the whole underground culture. 714 00:35:58,123 --> 00:36:00,694 Dem: And that changed his persona 715 00:36:00,725 --> 00:36:04,969 and changed the perception of Peter Fonda. 716 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,907 I thought, "This is wonderful. 717 00:36:06,932 --> 00:36:09,936 This is saving me from becoming the next Dean Jones for Disney," 718 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:12,949 which is what my agents thought- that I should be that. 719 00:36:12,971 --> 00:36:15,577 Roger felt that I had helped him 720 00:36:15,607 --> 00:36:17,780 and contributed something to it. 721 00:36:17,809 --> 00:36:19,686 And he called me and he said, 722 00:36:19,711 --> 00:36:21,691 "Would you like to direct your own picture?" 723 00:36:21,713 --> 00:36:24,523 And I said, "Yes." He said, "All right. 724 00:36:24,549 --> 00:36:26,825 We have a Russian science fiction picture. 725 00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,162 And AIP will buy it, but they won't buy it 726 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,098 unless I put some women in it. 727 00:36:31,122 --> 00:36:35,264 There's no women in it. It's all men walking around Venus." 728 00:36:35,293 --> 00:36:37,466 "But what am I supposed to do, Roger?" 729 00:36:37,495 --> 00:36:40,476 He said, "Look at the picture and just decide where to put the women." 730 00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:42,808 "Okay, sure." 731 00:36:42,834 --> 00:36:45,838 "We've got Mamie Van Doren and she'll be one of the women. 732 00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:48,215 Get a couple of other women and just put them in the picture. 733 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,241 And no sound. Don't write any dialogue. 734 00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:52,016 I don't want to pay for sound." 735 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,990 And I had to explain to Mamie that there would be no dialogue. 736 00:36:55,013 --> 00:36:56,583 She said, "Then what do we do?" 737 00:36:56,615 --> 00:36:59,391 I said, "You look meaningfully atone of the other girls. 738 00:36:59,417 --> 00:37:01,727 And then the other girl will immediately react. 739 00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:03,699 So you look at her and the other girl goes... 740 00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:05,827 and goes." 741 00:37:05,857 --> 00:37:08,804 "Telepathy, Mamie- it's telepathy." 742 00:37:11,263 --> 00:37:13,675 We cut this thing together, 743 00:37:13,698 --> 00:37:15,541 screened it for Jim Nicholson and he said, 744 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:17,604 "What the fuck is this about? 745 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:21,509 What are they doing? They keep looking and then the other--" 746 00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,281 "It's telepathy, Jim." 747 00:37:23,308 --> 00:37:25,754 "It's bullshit." He says, "I don't know what--" 748 00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:27,723 Roger says, "You have to put voices in." 749 00:37:27,746 --> 00:37:30,750 Meriama, Wearie... 750 00:37:30,782 --> 00:37:34,252 Bogdanovich: "Go get the shells." "Yes." 751 00:37:34,285 --> 00:37:37,494 Ptera is a false god. 752 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,897 Roger is the kind of person who says- 753 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:43,531 "Do you know how to swim?" "No." 754 00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:46,201 And throws you in the water. And if you learn to swim 755 00:37:46,231 --> 00:37:49,235 because you don't want to drown, you're fine. 756 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:51,611 And if you drown, that's the end of that. 757 00:37:54,205 --> 00:37:56,242 Doel: I think he was alert 758 00:37:56,274 --> 00:38:00,120 that this was a time when things were beginning to change. 759 00:38:00,145 --> 00:38:02,887 Certainly there weren't movies being made 760 00:38:02,914 --> 00:38:06,020 reflecting the changes in the thinking of young people. 761 00:38:06,051 --> 00:38:08,361 And I think that Roger was alert to that. 762 00:38:08,386 --> 00:38:12,732 What was going on really was revolutionary. 763 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,041 I smoked pot at work. 764 00:38:18,063 --> 00:38:21,738 - Doel: Sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll. - It was blowing up. 765 00:38:21,766 --> 00:38:23,439 Doel: Vietnam. 766 00:38:25,336 --> 00:38:28,317 Platt: I thought it was the end of America. 767 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:35,090 Dem: I looked at this guy in a cardigan sweater 768 00:38:35,113 --> 00:38:38,151 talking about mayhem in the streets. 769 00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:43,093 I was probably the straightest guy 770 00:38:43,121 --> 00:38:45,123 in a fairly wild movement. 771 00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:49,070 Doel: His political views were becoming increasingly left, 772 00:38:49,094 --> 00:38:51,802 as he said at the time, "almost Communist," 773 00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:53,332 which always makes me laugh, 774 00:38:53,365 --> 00:38:55,208 because of course I don't buy that for a minute, 775 00:38:55,233 --> 00:38:57,941 but I understand what he means. 776 00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:11,951 For someone who seems so square on the outside, 777 00:39:11,983 --> 00:39:15,294 he was actually a very interesting, cool, hip director. 778 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,596 I may have felt at the beginning of the '60s 779 00:39:17,622 --> 00:39:20,626 that I was an underdog, but as we got into the '60s, 780 00:39:20,658 --> 00:39:23,036 I thought, "Hey, I'm with the new movement." 781 00:39:25,063 --> 00:39:28,237 Nicholson: By now Roger and I are in sync. 782 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:30,872 Hey, the man's supporting my whole life. 783 00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:32,939 How could I not be in sync with him? 784 00:39:32,971 --> 00:39:36,714 He asked me to write "The Wild Angels," 785 00:39:36,741 --> 00:39:39,915 'cause I was writing by then. 786 00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:42,515 I said, "Roger, you know, we're pals in this. 787 00:39:42,547 --> 00:39:45,824 Can't you just pay me a little more than scale?" 788 00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:48,922 If he'd just said, "All right, scale plus $5," 789 00:39:48,953 --> 00:39:50,557 I would have relaxed. 790 00:39:50,588 --> 00:39:53,797 No. And I didn't write it. 791 00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:57,898 To write "The Trip," though, he finally said, "All right." 792 00:40:06,337 --> 00:40:09,750 Cut. It's good here. How was it for second camera? 793 00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:11,811 - Man: Fine here. - Okay, print it. 794 00:40:11,843 --> 00:40:16,349 Corman: When I decided to make "The Trip" about LSD, 795 00:40:16,381 --> 00:40:20,022 I felt as a director I cannot make a film about LSD 796 00:40:20,051 --> 00:40:22,190 without trying LSD. 797 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:25,292 Initially the idea was that 798 00:40:25,323 --> 00:40:28,236 I would take notes on Roger's trip. 799 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:30,261 I think he believed that he would be able 800 00:40:30,295 --> 00:40:33,401 to coherently dictate notes to me. 801 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:37,507 How high are you, man? Can you tell that? 802 00:40:37,535 --> 00:40:39,742 Listen, I think-- 803 00:40:41,873 --> 00:40:43,648 I'm afraid. 804 00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:46,983 There's nothing to be afraid of, man. 805 00:40:47,011 --> 00:40:51,050 I had had a wonderful trip, a spectacular trip. 806 00:40:51,082 --> 00:40:54,757 I felt, to be fair, I had to have some experiences 807 00:40:54,786 --> 00:40:57,494 of people who'd had bad trips. 808 00:40:57,522 --> 00:41:00,765 Luckily, Jack Nicholson was a very good writer 809 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:02,863 and he knew LSD. 810 00:41:02,894 --> 00:41:04,669 'Cause I was special talent. 811 00:41:04,696 --> 00:41:08,508 Only he and I had actually taken LSD at the point. 812 00:41:08,533 --> 00:41:11,946 I never did it for fun-- too strong. 813 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:14,712 I mean, a lot of my friends did, but, baby, I mean, 814 00:41:14,739 --> 00:41:19,552 what, you want to confront the face of God literally for fun? 815 00:41:19,577 --> 00:41:21,079 Come on. 816 00:41:21,112 --> 00:41:23,023 I'm Peter Fonda. 817 00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:25,049 We've just finished making a movie 818 00:41:25,083 --> 00:41:28,792 dealing with the most talked-about subject of the day-- LSD. 819 00:41:30,922 --> 00:41:32,663 I honestly believe that it will be 820 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:34,966 today's most talked-about motion picture. 821 00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:37,337 Nicholson: Roger's a serious moviemaker. 822 00:41:37,362 --> 00:41:40,468 He wanted to make a serious film about LSD, 823 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:42,978 which had just changed the culture forever, really. 824 00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:44,810 That's what the movie is about. 825 00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,809 Scorsese: The artistry of the films really developed. 826 00:41:49,841 --> 00:41:51,980 By the time he did "The Trip," he really had a sense 827 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,422 of pushing the power of the image. 828 00:41:54,445 --> 00:41:56,652 What he hit upon in that picture was interesting, 829 00:41:56,681 --> 00:41:59,355 particularly if you see it in the full aspect ratio 830 00:41:59,384 --> 00:42:02,456 because it just cuts through time and space. 831 00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:05,468 It becomes really a beautiful kind of cinematic montage 832 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:07,834 and achieves a kind of poetry. 833 00:42:10,995 --> 00:42:15,466 AIP were really concerned that this was a pro-drug movie 834 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:17,776 and they would lose money because of that. 835 00:42:17,802 --> 00:42:20,078 It's easy now. 836 00:42:20,104 --> 00:42:22,607 Wait till tomorrow. 837 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,553 Yeah, well, I'll think about that tomorrow. 838 00:42:25,576 --> 00:42:29,217 Arkoff and Nicholson changed the ending 839 00:42:29,247 --> 00:42:32,228 on the picture without telling Roger. 840 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,820 They froze frame 841 00:42:33,852 --> 00:42:37,390 and did an optical of broken glass on that. 842 00:42:40,258 --> 00:42:42,260 What is power? You understand? 843 00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:44,928 He created these guys. 844 00:42:44,929 --> 00:42:46,909 This set me up, 845 00:42:46,931 --> 00:42:49,104 because in "Easy Rider," the first thing we do 846 00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:52,774 is we buy junk in Mexico, smuggle it across the border, 847 00:42:52,804 --> 00:42:55,307 get a lot of money, put it in the tank, off we go. 848 00:43:04,916 --> 00:43:08,386 Corman: "Easy Rider" came out of my films 849 00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:10,365 "The Wild Angels" and "The Trip." 850 00:43:10,388 --> 00:43:13,130 Peter Fonda starred in both pictures 851 00:43:13,157 --> 00:43:16,138 and Dennis Hopper costarred in "The Trip." 852 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,107 That whole thing came from Roger to me-- 853 00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:20,632 take The Establishment on. 854 00:43:20,665 --> 00:43:22,667 And since they had never made a picture, 855 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,408 they wanted me to be the executive producer. 856 00:43:25,436 --> 00:43:28,508 And I said, "Fine." And I took the idea to AIP 857 00:43:28,539 --> 00:43:30,212 because "The Wild Angels" and "The Trip" 858 00:43:30,241 --> 00:43:31,743 had been very successful. 859 00:43:31,776 --> 00:43:35,690 And in one unfortunate meeting, 860 00:43:35,713 --> 00:43:39,718 one of the executives at AIP said to Dennis, 861 00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:43,790 "if you fall more than one day behind schedule, 862 00:43:43,821 --> 00:43:46,267 we want the right to replace you." 863 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:50,136 I could see that Dennis and Peter were really mad. 864 00:43:50,161 --> 00:43:52,300 Fonda: And I said, "I can't put that pressure on Hoppy. 865 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:54,970 That's not fair." And Roger agreed. 866 00:43:54,999 --> 00:43:56,808 Corman: And I said to this executive, 867 00:43:56,834 --> 00:44:00,839 "He worked perfectly with me on 'The Trip' 868 00:44:00,872 --> 00:44:03,910 and I am positive he can do this." 869 00:44:03,941 --> 00:44:08,481 And that was not a good thing to say. 870 00:44:10,281 --> 00:44:12,227 A number of things happened 871 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:14,696 and the picture moved over to Columbia. 872 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,199 And AIP and I 873 00:44:17,221 --> 00:44:19,963 lost our percentage of the profits 874 00:44:19,991 --> 00:44:24,838 on one of the most successful independent pictures ever made. 875 00:44:27,031 --> 00:44:29,910 Oh. 876 00:44:29,934 --> 00:44:33,245 Oh, what am I gonna do now? 877 00:44:33,271 --> 00:44:36,480 Nicholson: When I went to Cannes with "Easy Rider"... 878 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:37,679 Oh, my head. 879 00:44:37,709 --> 00:44:40,053 ...my character came on the screen 880 00:44:40,077 --> 00:44:43,524 and the movie exploded in that audience. 881 00:44:43,548 --> 00:44:46,791 It just went ka-pow like it does in rock 'n' roll. 882 00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:50,891 I'm the only person who ever in real life felt, 883 00:44:50,922 --> 00:44:53,402 "Holy shit, 884 00:44:53,424 --> 00:44:55,426 I'm a movie star"- 885 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:57,462 do you know what I mean? --and knew. 886 00:44:57,495 --> 00:44:59,270 So that's what the change felt like. 887 00:44:59,297 --> 00:45:01,299 I experienced it right here. 888 00:45:06,304 --> 00:45:09,478 Roger, if you paid me over minimum, 889 00:45:09,507 --> 00:45:11,817 you would have had "Easy Rider." 892 00:45:15,746 --> 00:45:19,489 Bogdanovich: "Easy Rider" was the beginning of the new Hollywood. 893 00:45:19,517 --> 00:45:23,727 It's hard to imagine the new Hollywood 894 00:45:23,754 --> 00:45:25,859 without Roger Corman. 895 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:27,995 So many people started with Roger- 896 00:45:28,025 --> 00:45:30,528 Francis Coppola and Bobby De Niro 897 00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:33,838 and Jack Nicholson. And the list goes on and on. 898 00:45:33,865 --> 00:45:36,675 At the end of the '60s Hollywood was so desperate. 899 00:45:36,701 --> 00:45:38,510 They didn't know what to do. 900 00:45:38,536 --> 00:45:40,573 And the young Roger Corman alumni 901 00:45:40,605 --> 00:45:43,211 were there to step into the breach. 902 00:45:43,241 --> 00:45:46,188 Dem: Jack's career took off. 903 00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:48,212 And Peter and Dennis got deals 904 00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:50,419 at Universal to make their movies. 905 00:45:50,448 --> 00:45:54,919 Well, those are all offshoots of the University of Corman. 906 00:45:54,952 --> 00:45:57,023 Roger was in a perfect position, 907 00:45:57,054 --> 00:46:01,025 having discovered and cultivated Francis Coppola, Bogdanovich, 908 00:46:01,058 --> 00:46:03,265 so many other people like that. 909 00:46:03,294 --> 00:46:05,103 I always wondered why Roger couldn't take 910 00:46:05,129 --> 00:46:07,234 that next step with those guys. 911 00:46:07,265 --> 00:46:10,371 You had to take that leap. You had to go from high school to college 912 00:46:10,401 --> 00:46:12,278 or you had to go from college to grad school. 913 00:46:12,303 --> 00:46:14,909 It was a jump that Roger never really took. 914 00:46:14,939 --> 00:46:16,941 And that's the one place 915 00:46:16,974 --> 00:46:19,215 that Roger left out of his mix. 916 00:46:19,243 --> 00:46:22,713 And that's why he's constantly being insulted 917 00:46:22,747 --> 00:46:26,194 by people calling him the King of the Bs, right? 920 00:46:33,724 --> 00:46:35,726 Dante: Roger was never taken seriously. 921 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,765 He was a schlockmeister and a guy who did drive-in movies. 922 00:46:39,797 --> 00:46:41,799 He never really got his due, I don't think. 923 00:46:41,832 --> 00:46:44,574 I mean, even "The Intruder," which is one of his best pictures, 924 00:46:44,602 --> 00:46:47,583 it was a movie that was hardly ever seen anywhere when it came out. 925 00:46:47,605 --> 00:46:50,779 Dem: Every year at the Academy Awards, 926 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:54,221 they give out a Lifetime Achievement Award. 927 00:46:54,245 --> 00:46:57,488 How they can not have gotten to Roger Corman by now 928 00:46:57,515 --> 00:46:59,517 is disgusting. 929 00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:02,053 And I don't know that they ever will, because they'd say, 930 00:47:02,086 --> 00:47:04,088 "Well, what are the great movies he made?" 931 00:47:04,121 --> 00:47:05,930 I guess this proves there are 932 00:47:05,957 --> 00:47:08,096 as many nuts in the Academy as anywhere else. 933 00:47:08,125 --> 00:47:10,731 Nicholson: ls Roger worried about being underappreciated? 934 00:47:10,761 --> 00:47:13,970 If he is, I'm going over there tomorrow night. 936 00:47:19,904 --> 00:47:22,407 Shark! Shark! 938 00:47:27,912 --> 00:47:29,357 Help! 939 00:47:31,415 --> 00:47:33,417 Cut, cut, cut. 940 00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,193 Eli Roth: Roger Corman isn't doing it for the awards. 941 00:47:37,221 --> 00:47:40,691 The fans recognize him. The filmmakers recognize him. 942 00:47:40,725 --> 00:47:42,898 We know who he is and we appreciate him. 943 00:47:42,927 --> 00:47:44,929 And I don't think he needs some statue 944 00:47:44,962 --> 00:47:47,738 from some organization that never liked his movies in the first place 945 00:47:47,765 --> 00:47:49,244 to come out and say, "We love you." 946 00:47:51,636 --> 00:47:55,243 Julie: From my viewpoint, everything is going extremely well. 947 00:47:55,272 --> 00:47:57,775 Observing Roger, however, now 948 00:47:57,808 --> 00:48:00,345 as actor/producer... 949 00:48:00,378 --> 00:48:03,985 Kevin, you're aware they're putting a mic on the girl who's not in the shot? 950 00:48:04,015 --> 00:48:06,291 Maybe the kit should be just a couple of inches there 951 00:48:06,317 --> 00:48:07,887 so you don't step over it. 952 00:48:07,919 --> 00:48:10,593 No, wait until she comes here. Stop. 953 00:48:10,621 --> 00:48:14,034 It'll be after they say "Action!" because the camera's on her 954 00:48:14,058 --> 00:48:16,937 and it's going to come around and see... 955 00:48:18,663 --> 00:48:20,665 Okay, and we're out of the shot. 956 00:48:22,433 --> 00:48:25,346 He is always noticing what needs to be fixed, 957 00:48:25,369 --> 00:48:28,316 what is the problem, but that's the nature of producing. 958 00:48:28,339 --> 00:48:30,341 Okay, so I'm looking here. 959 00:48:30,374 --> 00:48:34,288 And on action, you say, "There's someone here to see you." 960 00:48:34,312 --> 00:48:35,484 Man: Rolling sound. 961 00:48:35,513 --> 00:48:38,187 Paul W.S. Anderson: You would think that a man who makes so many films 962 00:48:38,215 --> 00:48:40,422 kind of doesn't really care about each individual film, 963 00:48:40,451 --> 00:48:42,556 but I think Roger for each of his movies- 964 00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:44,088 they're like his children, you know. 965 00:48:44,121 --> 00:48:45,828 And he loves every single one of them. 966 00:48:45,856 --> 00:48:47,927 And he's so engaged in every single one of them. 967 00:48:47,959 --> 00:48:51,202 And, you know, the last time I had lunch with him, 968 00:48:51,228 --> 00:48:53,731 you know, he had to hurry away 'cause he was going back 969 00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:55,607 to the cutting room of "Minotaur." 970 00:48:55,633 --> 00:48:58,170 And it's like, "You know, Roger..." 971 00:48:58,202 --> 00:49:00,204 They're really- 972 00:49:00,237 --> 00:49:03,081 it's just way too much time spent on Iva. 973 00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:05,951 They're working on her makeup all the time. 974 00:49:05,976 --> 00:49:07,887 Explain who she should put it on. 975 00:49:07,912 --> 00:49:10,756 They can't do this stuff for every shot. 976 00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:13,591 Mary Woronov: I'll never forget Julie. She was, like, amazing. 977 00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,564 She was talking about redecorating her house. 978 00:49:15,586 --> 00:49:18,123 And then she had a child in a crib. 979 00:49:18,155 --> 00:49:19,828 She was raising children, you know. 980 00:49:19,857 --> 00:49:21,768 And here she was- she was known 981 00:49:21,792 --> 00:49:24,204 to do movies even cheaper than Roger Corman. 982 00:49:24,228 --> 00:49:26,538 I mean, this woman was amazing. 983 00:49:26,564 --> 00:49:29,340 The first film that I produced, I didn't think of it as producing. 984 00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:30,675 I didn't put a name to it. 985 00:49:30,701 --> 00:49:32,908 I just thought, "Oh, this needs to be organized." 986 00:49:32,937 --> 00:49:36,350 Roger did sit with me for about 45 minutes 987 00:49:36,373 --> 00:49:38,853 and go through what's needed- the cast, 988 00:49:38,876 --> 00:49:40,947 the crew, and what the positions were 989 00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:44,391 and a way in which to shepherd production through. 990 00:49:44,415 --> 00:49:47,862 But then I thought, "Well, he'll be there every day and I could--" 991 00:49:47,885 --> 00:49:50,422 No, he wasn't really available. 992 00:49:50,454 --> 00:49:54,402 And there was this sense I had of, 993 00:49:54,425 --> 00:49:56,735 "He just thinks I can do this?" 994 00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,207 And then I just did it. 995 00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:02,939 But he will recognize in someone 996 00:50:02,967 --> 00:50:05,447 that he thinks they can do whatever it is. 997 00:50:05,469 --> 00:50:08,075 And then he just walks away 998 00:50:08,105 --> 00:50:11,007 and they do it. 999 00:50:11,008 --> 00:50:14,012 Corman: I first met Julie when she answered an ad 1000 00:50:14,045 --> 00:50:17,049 for a job as my assistant. 1001 00:50:17,081 --> 00:50:20,255 I offered her the job. She turned down the job, 1002 00:50:20,284 --> 00:50:22,992 but she agreed to have dinner with me. 1003 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:26,627 We began dating and we also began working together. 1004 00:50:26,657 --> 00:50:30,104 Roger had by then asked me to marry him 1005 00:50:30,127 --> 00:50:32,733 and I had said yes. And then he went off to the Philippines 1006 00:50:32,763 --> 00:50:34,800 and I didn't hear from him for a week. 1007 00:50:34,832 --> 00:50:38,507 So I was like, "I wonder what that means." 1008 00:50:38,536 --> 00:50:41,779 So I called him and said, "Are we still getting married?" 1009 00:50:41,806 --> 00:50:43,717 He said, "Oh, yes. Did you pick a date?" 1010 00:50:43,741 --> 00:50:48,121 And I said, "Well, I was thinking of December 1011 00:50:48,145 --> 00:50:49,852 or maybe later in the spring." 1012 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,326 "Oh, definitely December. Sooner-- better, right?" 1013 00:50:52,349 --> 00:50:54,727 I said, "Okay. 1014 00:50:54,752 --> 00:50:56,732 I just wonder why you didn't call me." 1015 00:50:56,754 --> 00:50:59,030 Well, he didn't call me because it was a long-distance call, 1016 00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:01,058 so it wouldn't have occurred to him. 1017 00:51:01,091 --> 00:51:03,697 But anyway, you know, getting to know each other. 1018 00:51:03,727 --> 00:51:07,140 All right now, everybody, reach for the nightgown of the Lord. 1019 00:51:07,164 --> 00:51:09,166 Reach. 1020 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,202 Anybody moves-- you're dead. 1021 00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:13,306 Julie: Roger had done "Bloody Mama" 1022 00:51:13,337 --> 00:51:15,214 with Shelley Winters and Bobby De Niro. 1023 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,719 And, you know, it was a great success for AIP. 1024 00:51:17,742 --> 00:51:20,882 And AIP wanted another woman gangster movie. 1025 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:23,517 And so I found this book. 1026 00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:25,049 It was the story of a woman 1027 00:51:25,082 --> 00:51:27,585 who'd been something of a tramp, a hobo, 1028 00:51:27,618 --> 00:51:30,189 had ridden the boxcars of the rail roads 1029 00:51:30,221 --> 00:51:32,326 of the United States during the Depression. 1030 00:51:32,356 --> 00:51:35,496 It was her story as a rebel, 1031 00:51:35,526 --> 00:51:38,234 as a pre-feminist, as it were, 1032 00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:40,264 and as an outlaw. 1033 00:51:40,297 --> 00:51:42,937 "Boxcar Bertha" the first picture 1034 00:51:42,967 --> 00:51:46,437 that Julie worked on with me as co-producer. 1035 00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:49,917 It was also the first picture that Marty Scorsese directed. 1036 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:53,149 I met him and he said, "Look, I have a sequel to 'Bloody Mama.' 1037 00:51:53,177 --> 00:51:56,681 It's called 'Boxcar Bertha.' Would you be interested in doing it?" 1038 00:51:56,714 --> 00:51:58,489 I said, "Absolutely," you know. 1039 00:51:58,516 --> 00:52:01,725 And "Bloody Mama" actually had De Niro in it, see? 1040 00:52:01,752 --> 00:52:03,754 By the time we got to Camden, Arkansas, 1041 00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:07,861 Marty had sketched every shot of the picture, 1042 00:52:07,892 --> 00:52:11,533 which was all over the walls of his motel room. 1043 00:52:11,562 --> 00:52:13,803 I took out all these drawings, about 500. 1044 00:52:13,831 --> 00:52:16,607 And he looked at the first 20 or 30 or something. 1045 00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:19,478 And then he looked, he said, "Did you do this for the entire picture?" 1046 00:52:19,503 --> 00:52:21,414 I said, "Yeah." He said, "All right." 1047 00:52:21,438 --> 00:52:23,475 He put it away and he left. 1048 00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:25,248 Run, Bertha! 1049 00:52:27,378 --> 00:52:29,380 God damn that bitch. 1050 00:52:32,049 --> 00:52:34,256 Carradine: The thing that Roger hated was 1051 00:52:34,285 --> 00:52:36,287 when Sam Arkoff came in-- 1052 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,164 'cause he needed Sam because the budget was too big for him. 1053 00:52:39,189 --> 00:52:41,726 And then Sam kind of took over 1054 00:52:41,759 --> 00:52:44,035 and masterminded the release 1055 00:52:44,061 --> 00:52:46,302 in a way that Roger didn't like. 1056 00:52:46,330 --> 00:52:48,742 And Roger said, "I'm never gonna do this again." 1057 00:52:48,766 --> 00:52:51,337 And that's when he formed New World 1058 00:52:51,368 --> 00:52:54,781 and he went back to making $25,000 movies 1059 00:52:54,805 --> 00:52:56,842 and worked his way back up again 1060 00:52:56,874 --> 00:53:00,913 just simply so that nobody could tell him, you know, 1061 00:53:00,944 --> 00:53:04,983 how he should cut his movie or how he should release it. 1062 00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:07,017 Doel: Roger somehow 1063 00:53:07,051 --> 00:53:09,429 is fueled by 1064 00:53:09,453 --> 00:53:11,330 outwitting, I would say, 1065 00:53:11,355 --> 00:53:13,801 even more than rebelling against, authority. 1066 00:53:13,824 --> 00:53:15,497 He was that way with AIP. 1067 00:53:15,526 --> 00:53:19,269 I think, actually, it brings out his creativity and his drive. 1068 00:53:19,296 --> 00:53:21,298 It just seems to fire him up 1069 00:53:21,332 --> 00:53:23,903 to just show them 1070 00:53:23,934 --> 00:53:26,744 that he will do it himself. 1071 00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:29,842 He doesn't need them to tell him how to do it or what to do. 1072 00:53:29,874 --> 00:53:33,947 I decided to start a small production/dtstrtbution company, 1073 00:53:33,978 --> 00:53:38,358 a little bit the way AIP had started in the late 1950s. 1074 00:53:38,382 --> 00:53:40,293 Roger is a brilliant producer 1075 00:53:40,317 --> 00:53:42,092 in terms of knowing what the market is, 1076 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,157 anticipating the trends and then capitalizing on them. 1077 00:53:45,189 --> 00:53:47,260 He was a trendsetter for years. I mean, he-- 1078 00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:49,328 in the '60s he set every trend. 1079 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,035 He has the idea- 1080 00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:55,236 the original idea for almost all the films 1081 00:53:55,266 --> 00:53:57,906 that are produced by New World Pictures. 1082 00:53:57,935 --> 00:54:00,472 He had a somewhat finite audience. 1083 00:54:00,504 --> 00:54:03,007 They weren't expecting things to be held over. 1084 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,078 You know, things played for two weeks in the grindhouses 1085 00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:08,147 and a couple weeks at the drive-in 1086 00:54:08,178 --> 00:54:10,021 and then a new thing came in. 1087 00:54:10,047 --> 00:54:11,788 But within that, you were gonna have 1088 00:54:11,815 --> 00:54:13,954 a very loyal audience of young people. 1089 00:54:13,984 --> 00:54:16,897 Announcer: Hollywood Boulevard- the street where starlets are made. 1090 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,127 On Monday Candy came to Hollywood. 1091 00:54:19,156 --> 00:54:21,033 On Tuesday she lost her blouse. 1092 00:54:21,058 --> 00:54:23,868 On Thursday she massacred 300 rebel soldiers. 1093 00:54:23,894 --> 00:54:26,602 On Friday she found out the bullets were real. 1094 00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:29,338 On Saturday she married Godzilla. 1095 00:54:29,366 --> 00:54:31,778 By Sunday she was a star. 1096 00:54:31,802 --> 00:54:34,749 Things happen fast on Hollywood Boulevard. 1097 00:54:34,772 --> 00:54:36,080 Rated R. 1098 00:54:36,106 --> 00:54:38,108 ♪ Hello, Hollywood. ♪ 1099 00:54:39,977 --> 00:54:42,548 The fact that the rating system came in was a tremendous change. 1100 00:54:42,579 --> 00:54:44,081 Now you were allowed to do things in movies 1101 00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:45,559 that you hadn't been allowed to do before. 1102 00:54:45,582 --> 00:54:47,061 You were allowed to show things. 1103 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:56,464 Announcer: What they did to her in Jackson County was a crime. 1105 00:54:58,629 --> 00:55:00,939 Yvette Mimieux. 1106 00:55:00,964 --> 00:55:03,604 "Jackson County Jail," 1107 00:55:03,634 --> 00:55:05,944 where the cops make their own laws 1108 00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:07,847 and the only way out is murder. 1110 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,815 We're cop killers. 1111 00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:16,154 There are '70s exploitation pictures that are really out there. 1112 00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:17,488 I mean, they have plot twists 1113 00:55:17,514 --> 00:55:19,221 that are like, "Whoa, I didn't see that coming. 1114 00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:21,355 I didn't think people did that in the movies." 1115 00:55:21,385 --> 00:55:23,365 Announcer: Woman was made for man 1116 00:55:23,387 --> 00:55:25,799 to hunt. 1117 00:55:25,823 --> 00:55:28,429 Dante: Roger certainly took amazing advantage of that. 1118 00:55:28,458 --> 00:55:31,268 Announcer: Hunters competing for the game. 1119 00:55:31,295 --> 00:55:34,833 Set your sights on the tastiest game, 1120 00:55:34,865 --> 00:55:37,345 from New World Pictures. 1121 00:55:37,368 --> 00:55:39,439 Roger's operation 1122 00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:43,077 is an exploitation operation on almost every level. 1123 00:55:43,107 --> 00:55:47,146 He exploits directors. He exploits writers. 1124 00:55:47,177 --> 00:55:51,319 He exploits people in the crafts who are trying to get established. 1125 00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:54,488 But we are also exploiting Roger. 1126 00:55:54,518 --> 00:55:56,498 Julie: I think he had a lot of fun 1127 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,329 working with these young people. 1128 00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,562 And so it was often known as, you know, 1129 00:56:00,591 --> 00:56:02,537 the Corman school of filmmaking. 1130 00:56:04,928 --> 00:56:06,999 Demme: The first time I met Roger, 1131 00:56:07,031 --> 00:56:09,534 this crazy Roger Corman-y thing happened 1132 00:56:09,566 --> 00:56:12,137 where he said, "Okay, you can write press releases. 1133 00:56:12,169 --> 00:56:14,479 Do you think you could write a screenplay?" 1134 00:56:14,505 --> 00:56:17,111 And this had never really occurred to me, 1135 00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:19,677 but I said, "Yes." 1136 00:56:19,710 --> 00:56:21,781 And he said, "Let me explain. 1137 00:56:21,812 --> 00:56:23,814 I'm starting a new company. 1138 00:56:23,847 --> 00:56:25,849 It's called New World Pictures. 1139 00:56:25,883 --> 00:56:29,296 I need a bunch of pictures to go into the works very soon." 1140 00:56:29,319 --> 00:56:31,094 He wanted a nurse movie, 1141 00:56:31,121 --> 00:56:34,364 but he also wanted to crossbreed it with a prison movie. 1142 00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:36,837 Announcer: Four American nurses, snatched 1143 00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:39,636 from their work in a foreign hospital, 1144 00:56:39,663 --> 00:56:41,665 jumped in the jungle, 1145 00:56:41,698 --> 00:56:44,679 caught between a kill-crazed revolutionary 1146 00:56:44,701 --> 00:56:46,703 and a sex-crazed major. 1147 00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:49,741 Roger says, "Exploitation pictures don't need plots. 1148 00:56:49,773 --> 00:56:51,844 But they need sensational things 1149 00:56:51,875 --> 00:56:54,116 like girls shooting Filipinos out of trees. 1150 00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:58,256 That works." 1151 00:57:01,251 --> 00:57:03,231 In New World-- they very often go back 1152 00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:05,358 and add action to a picture. 1153 00:57:05,389 --> 00:57:07,494 'Cause you'll see how a rough cut plays, 1154 00:57:07,524 --> 00:57:10,232 and Roger almost always wants you to add 1155 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,672 another chase or at least another explosion. 1156 00:57:12,696 --> 00:57:15,108 ♪ Rock, rock, rock, rock, rock 'n' roll high school ♪ 1157 00:57:15,132 --> 00:57:17,373 ♪ Rock, rock, rock, rock, rock 'n' roll high school. ♪ 1158 00:57:20,971 --> 00:57:22,882 Announcer: "Rock 'N' Roll High School"- 1159 00:57:22,906 --> 00:57:26,410 the school where the students rule. 1160 00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:29,049 Could your school be next? 1161 00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,117 We knew the genre notes that we had to hit. 1162 00:57:32,149 --> 00:57:34,060 And if we hit those notes, 1163 00:57:34,084 --> 00:57:37,119 what we put in between those notes was entirely up to us. 1164 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,758 "Grand Theft Auto" 1165 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:41,599 is a love story 1166 00:57:41,625 --> 00:57:43,866 with cars. 1167 00:57:43,894 --> 00:57:45,430 Also it's a comedy... 1168 00:57:47,931 --> 00:57:49,171 ...with car crashes. 1169 00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:51,008 Announcer: "Grand Theft Auto," 1170 00:57:51,034 --> 00:57:54,174 directed by and starring Ron Howard. 1171 00:57:54,204 --> 00:57:55,740 Well, hell. 1172 00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:58,447 We had a very limited number of extras that we were allowed to have 1173 00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:02,753 at the big demolition derby climactic action scenes. 1174 00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:05,784 And I called Roger 1175 00:58:05,816 --> 00:58:09,286 asking for more extras to fill out the stands, 1176 00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:11,492 'cause, I said, "This is supposed to be this huge event. 1177 00:58:11,522 --> 00:58:14,628 There's a big riot at the end. You know, 75 extras 1178 00:58:14,658 --> 00:58:16,968 is gonna fill exactly, you know, 1179 00:58:16,994 --> 00:58:20,965 1/10 of the stands. It's gonna look cheesy." 1180 00:58:20,997 --> 00:58:23,944 And he said no. And he could see I was dejected. 1181 00:58:23,967 --> 00:58:25,378 And he smiled 1182 00:58:25,402 --> 00:58:27,575 and he put his hand on my shoulder in a kind of fatherly way. 1183 00:58:27,604 --> 00:58:30,847 And he said, "Ron, here's what you need to understand. 1184 00:58:30,874 --> 00:58:34,617 You do a good job for me on my terms 1185 00:58:34,645 --> 00:58:36,647 on this movie, 1186 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,024 and you never have to work for me again." 1187 00:58:39,049 --> 00:58:41,393 And, well, I didn't. 1188 00:58:41,418 --> 00:58:43,420 I certainly wish 1189 00:58:43,453 --> 00:58:48,061 that Roger would move out of the formula film-- 1190 00:58:48,092 --> 00:58:49,867 the exploitation film. 1191 00:58:49,893 --> 00:58:53,363 I guess that he just feels that as long as he's investing his own money 1192 00:58:53,397 --> 00:58:55,070 that he wants it to be surefire. 1194 00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:03,517 Carradine: In "Death Race" at the very beginning behind us, 1195 00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:05,315 there's a city of the future. 1196 00:59:05,342 --> 00:59:07,788 And it is so obviously a painting. 1197 00:59:07,811 --> 00:59:09,791 It's almost a cartoon. 1198 00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:12,191 And I said that to him and he said, 1199 00:59:12,216 --> 00:59:14,992 "People come to my pictures looking for camp. 1200 00:59:15,018 --> 00:59:17,225 And I'm going to give it to them." 1201 00:59:31,201 --> 00:59:33,374 If he just violated this rule of his 1202 00:59:33,403 --> 00:59:35,280 of never making a movie 1203 00:59:35,305 --> 00:59:38,184 that cost more than $1 million, you know, 1204 00:59:38,208 --> 00:59:40,279 and make one for $1.5 million or $2 million-- 1205 00:59:40,310 --> 00:59:42,381 I said, "Look, all your pictures make money. 1206 00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:44,289 None of them go through the top." 1207 00:59:44,314 --> 00:59:45,816 And he said, "Yeah, that's true." 1208 00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:47,954 And then he went over and turned off the air conditioner. 1209 00:59:47,984 --> 00:59:49,861 Sometimes the movies were really dreadful 1210 00:59:49,886 --> 00:59:52,366 and you had to just sort of camp them up and make fun of them. 1211 00:59:52,389 --> 00:59:54,198 - "Cover Girl Models." - And we did-- by the time 1212 00:59:54,224 --> 00:59:57,398 we got to "Cover Girl Models," we were doing outrageous ad lines- 1213 00:59:57,427 --> 00:59:59,805 you know, "They don't need clothes to strike a pose"; 1214 00:59:59,830 --> 01:00:02,333 "They're always overexposed but they're never underdeveloped"-- 1215 01:00:02,366 --> 01:00:04,312 to the point where the pictures looked like jokes. 1216 01:00:04,334 --> 01:00:05,972 They didn't look like they were real movies. 1217 01:00:06,003 --> 01:00:08,176 They're like movies in the front of "Tropic Thunder." 1218 01:00:08,205 --> 01:00:10,014 They just didn't look real. 1219 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,748 But the audiences never minded. They were happy. 1220 01:00:15,812 --> 01:00:18,793 The limitations of a low-budget film can work positively 1221 01:00:18,815 --> 01:00:20,692 in terms of getting something spontaneous. 1222 01:00:20,717 --> 01:00:22,719 There's no time for rehearsal. 1223 01:00:22,752 --> 01:00:26,393 There's no time for extended discussions 1224 01:00:26,423 --> 01:00:28,596 of motivation and character and so forth. 1225 01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:31,902 And indeed there aren't many characters or motivations in any of the films. 1226 01:00:34,097 --> 01:00:37,169 You'll never be a star now, you little cunt. 1228 01:00:44,141 --> 01:00:46,212 Dante: The great thing about working for Roger was 1229 01:00:46,243 --> 01:00:47,847 that every possible obstacle 1230 01:00:47,878 --> 01:00:49,653 to making a movie was thrown in front of you. 1231 01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,317 Beverly Hills police. 1232 01:00:51,348 --> 01:00:52,952 And if you could figure out a way to get around them, 1233 01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:54,291 you could make your movie. 1234 01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:56,264 At the end credits of "Hollywood Boulevard," 1235 01:00:56,286 --> 01:00:58,288 that background shot was shot 1236 01:00:58,322 --> 01:01:00,393 while the camera crew was hiding in the bushes 1237 01:01:00,424 --> 01:01:02,267 and I was talking to the Beverly Hills police 1238 01:01:02,292 --> 01:01:05,501 and explaining that I was just out here admiring the scenery. 1239 01:01:05,529 --> 01:01:09,602 And they said, "Well, get back in your car and drive down the hill." 1240 01:01:09,633 --> 01:01:12,045 It's not as bad as John Davis and having to spend the night in jail 1241 01:01:12,068 --> 01:01:14,070 while making "Fly Me," though. 1242 01:01:14,104 --> 01:01:17,517 I think when he called Roger and he said, "I'm in jail," 1243 01:01:17,541 --> 01:01:20,385 I think Roger said, "Well, you know, that's a good experience. 1244 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:22,048 You should learn from this." 1245 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,355 Blossom, honey. 1246 01:01:25,782 --> 01:01:29,423 You philandering, fornicating bastard, 1247 01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:32,593 you went off with that skinny honky for two days 1248 01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:35,228 and gonna come back here and call me honey? 1249 01:01:35,258 --> 01:01:36,794 Now wait a minute, Blossom, honey. 1250 01:01:36,826 --> 01:01:40,273 I told you I was gonna cut it off if you tried to pull that shit on me. 1251 01:01:42,499 --> 01:01:44,342 We called it "make do." 1252 01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:47,348 You know, whatever you can do to make do, that's what we did. 1253 01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:50,408 And from it, I lived through my stunts. 1254 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,546 I look back at it-- would I do them again? 1255 01:01:53,577 --> 01:01:56,922 Yes, but more padding on the head. 1256 01:02:00,050 --> 01:02:02,826 Not a lot of women wanted to do stunts. 1257 01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:06,022 All right, everybody, back 'em up. 1258 01:02:06,056 --> 01:02:08,127 Grier: And they couldn't handle guns. They were afraid of guns. 1259 01:02:08,158 --> 01:02:09,398 Sit down on the floor. 1260 01:02:10,894 --> 01:02:13,500 Where do you want to be buried, nigger? 1261 01:02:15,165 --> 01:02:18,169 And it's Miss Nigger to you. 1262 01:02:18,201 --> 01:02:20,875 Grier: And there weren't a lot of women who wanted to be 1263 01:02:20,904 --> 01:02:23,680 tossed around the room or thrown over a cliff. 1264 01:02:23,707 --> 01:02:25,744 And he said, "Let's keep her doing movies. 1265 01:02:25,775 --> 01:02:28,756 She loves to do crazy stuff. Let's set her on fire." 1266 01:02:28,778 --> 01:02:31,691 You know, "How many cars can she crash today?" 1267 01:02:31,715 --> 01:02:34,719 They loved that. 1268 01:02:34,751 --> 01:02:38,563 He could talk you into, you know, buying some sand in a desert. 1269 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:40,727 Hey, and it'll taste good, too. 1270 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,759 I'm like, "Excuse me, 1271 01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:44,932 did I just buy this glass of sand from Roger?" 1272 01:02:44,961 --> 01:02:47,464 Announcer: "The Final Comedown"-- 1273 01:02:47,497 --> 01:02:50,205 this year's heaviest motion picture. 1274 01:02:50,233 --> 01:02:52,941 Baby, I'm not bitter. I was bitter 350 years ago. 1275 01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:55,950 I'm violent, you hear me, God damn it? Violent! 1276 01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:05,451 Announcer: Get hip to this year's winner-- 1277 01:03:05,482 --> 01:03:08,463 the fight you've been dying for. 1278 01:03:10,754 --> 01:03:13,701 Rated R, it's a mother. 1279 01:03:13,724 --> 01:03:15,135 Dig it. 1280 01:03:15,158 --> 01:03:18,503 I did bring "Mean Streets" first to Roger. 1281 01:03:18,528 --> 01:03:21,270 And it was the beginning of the Blaxploitation pictures. 1282 01:03:21,298 --> 01:03:24,108 And he said, "So the story is interesting and everything. 1283 01:03:24,134 --> 01:03:25,943 It's really interesting. I can give you 1284 01:03:25,969 --> 01:03:28,108 a couple hundred thousand dollars to do it, 1285 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:30,709 but if you could swing a little bit 1286 01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:33,949 and make it black, 1287 01:03:33,977 --> 01:03:36,389 it might be-- we might have something here." 1288 01:03:36,413 --> 01:03:39,326 So I thought about it. I said, "Okay, let me think about it." 1289 01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:42,523 I wouldn't say no. I always say yes to these things. 1290 01:03:42,552 --> 01:03:44,259 And I walked out and realized my heart sank 1291 01:03:44,287 --> 01:03:46,790 because I realized, no, they're Italian-Americans. 1292 01:03:46,823 --> 01:03:49,827 That's the part of the cultural thing. It's Sicilians and Neapolitans 1293 01:03:49,859 --> 01:03:52,806 and ancient code that goes back to the medieval times. 1294 01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:54,706 You're a fucking jerk-off. 1295 01:03:54,731 --> 01:03:58,406 And I'll tell you something else, Mikey- 1296 01:03:58,435 --> 01:04:00,312 I fuck you right where you breathe, 1297 01:04:00,336 --> 01:04:04,045 'cause I don't give two shits about you or nobody else. 1298 01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:08,153 I said, "That's-- totally not. I'm not gonna be able to do it." 1299 01:04:08,178 --> 01:04:11,057 But because of "Boxcar Bertha" 1300 01:04:11,081 --> 01:04:13,652 and because of the group that worked on the film, 1301 01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:16,027 I learned how to make the picture within a certain amount of time. 1302 01:04:16,052 --> 01:04:18,760 And we were able to take the same principles 1303 01:04:18,788 --> 01:04:22,167 that we applied to "Boxcar Bertha" and use them for "Mean Streets." 1304 01:04:22,192 --> 01:04:24,672 We wound up shooting most of it in Los Angeles 1305 01:04:24,694 --> 01:04:28,197 because we had that crew and the Corman crew knew how to work. 1306 01:04:28,198 --> 01:04:28,539 1307 01:04:31,668 --> 01:04:34,342 Dante: Roger's own personal taste in pictures 1308 01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:36,681 is very different from the type of pictures that he makes. 1309 01:04:36,706 --> 01:04:38,708 And also his taste in directors 1310 01:04:38,742 --> 01:04:40,744 tends towards Antonioni and Bergman. 1311 01:04:40,777 --> 01:04:43,257 Corman: Most of our films are domestic. 1312 01:04:43,279 --> 01:04:46,852 However, we do distribute a number of foreign films-- 1313 01:04:46,883 --> 01:04:48,794 Bergman, Fellini, Truffaut, 1314 01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:50,729 now Kurosawa and a number of others. 1315 01:04:50,754 --> 01:04:52,529 Dante: Roger had a lot of connections 1316 01:04:52,556 --> 01:04:54,035 and he had his own distribution company. 1317 01:04:54,057 --> 01:04:57,630 And when the majors started to give up on foreign films, 1318 01:04:57,661 --> 01:05:01,973 Roger talked people like Ingmar Bergman and Fellini into-- 1319 01:05:01,998 --> 01:05:03,944 "I can get your picture on screens 1320 01:05:03,967 --> 01:05:05,674 that have never run a movie of yours, 1321 01:05:05,702 --> 01:05:07,943 because I have a different audience 1322 01:05:07,971 --> 01:05:09,575 and a different way of selling the movie." 1323 01:05:09,606 --> 01:05:11,108 And they all signed off on it. 1324 01:05:11,141 --> 01:05:15,214 Ingmar Bergman was a seminal influence on Roger as a director. 1325 01:05:15,245 --> 01:05:17,247 "Cries and Whispers" did extremely well 1326 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,658 and Ingmar Bergman was very pleased. 1327 01:05:19,683 --> 01:05:22,493 And then Roger being Roger, he had the idea 1328 01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:25,762 to distribute it in drive-ins. 1329 01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:27,200 And that's what he did. 1330 01:05:27,224 --> 01:05:30,205 No one else had ever been able to do that before, and probably not since. 1331 01:05:30,226 --> 01:05:31,796 That was something new for Roger, 1332 01:05:31,828 --> 01:05:34,399 to have such prestige people associated with him. 1333 01:05:34,431 --> 01:05:36,308 And it just went from there. 1334 01:05:36,333 --> 01:05:38,335 Roger, when he formed New World Pictures, 1335 01:05:38,368 --> 01:05:40,974 was the first company that was completely bifurcated. 1336 01:05:41,004 --> 01:05:44,383 In other words, in one direction they were doing exploitation films, 1337 01:05:44,407 --> 01:05:46,080 but in the other direction they were doing 1338 01:05:46,109 --> 01:05:48,487 the best foreign-language films that were out there at that time. 1339 01:05:48,511 --> 01:05:50,422 Corman: The money is secondary 1340 01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:51,892 in that particular area. 1341 01:05:51,915 --> 01:05:55,692 It's because I feel these films should get 1342 01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:59,132 to a larger audience than they do. 1343 01:05:59,155 --> 01:06:01,157 Announcer: The new Fellini-- 1344 01:06:01,191 --> 01:06:03,467 "Amarcord." 1345 01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:08,139 Corman: The company is building very rapidly, 1346 01:06:08,164 --> 01:06:10,440 which takes a lot of time. 1347 01:06:10,467 --> 01:06:13,277 My wife and I have had three children 1348 01:06:13,303 --> 01:06:14,907 in three consecutive summers, 1349 01:06:14,938 --> 01:06:16,781 which takes a certain amount of time. 1350 01:06:16,806 --> 01:06:18,808 We would go home in the evening 1351 01:06:18,842 --> 01:06:21,186 and talk about the problems of the day. 1352 01:06:21,211 --> 01:06:22,747 Then there got to be a time 1353 01:06:22,779 --> 01:06:25,885 when we, like, just didn't talk about what had happened during the day. 1354 01:06:25,916 --> 01:06:29,261 But it got to be a little embarrassing 1355 01:06:29,285 --> 01:06:32,357 because Roger didn't really know what all I was doing 1356 01:06:32,388 --> 01:06:34,334 and I didn't really know what all he was doing. 1357 01:06:34,357 --> 01:06:36,701 And I said, "Look, Roger, it's very embarrassing 1358 01:06:36,726 --> 01:06:39,366 when people say, 'What movies is Roger making?' 1359 01:06:39,396 --> 01:06:42,309 and I don't know. You know, it is our company, 1360 01:06:42,332 --> 01:06:44,573 but there's what you're making and what I'm making." 1361 01:06:44,601 --> 01:06:46,945 And so he said, "Well, I'll tell you what I'm making." 1362 01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:48,677 He said, "I'm making 12 films." 1363 01:06:48,705 --> 01:06:52,152 And he couldn't remember the last two. 1364 01:06:52,175 --> 01:06:55,645 So he said, "Well, whatever they are, I'm gonna cancel them." 1365 01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:57,817 Reporter: You had made a statement to the press 1366 01:06:57,847 --> 01:06:59,884 that you were getting out of exploitation films 1367 01:06:59,916 --> 01:07:02,920 and into higher-budget films. What brought you back into it? 1368 01:07:02,952 --> 01:07:05,762 In my last years as a director, 1369 01:07:05,789 --> 01:07:08,895 I was climbing out of the low-budget field 1370 01:07:08,925 --> 01:07:10,666 and was doing more expensive films, 1371 01:07:10,693 --> 01:07:12,934 but when I started my own company, 1372 01:07:12,962 --> 01:07:15,670 which was financed essentially out of my own savings, 1373 01:07:15,699 --> 01:07:18,270 I was forced back to low-budget films 1374 01:07:18,301 --> 01:07:20,474 because those were all I could afford. 1375 01:07:20,503 --> 01:07:23,109 New World has had several profitable years 1376 01:07:23,139 --> 01:07:25,949 and we're now starting to make more expensive films 1377 01:07:25,975 --> 01:07:27,921 and we're climbing once more. 1378 01:07:27,944 --> 01:07:30,049 Roger's had such success with New World Pictures 1379 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,184 in the past couple of years that now 1380 01:07:32,215 --> 01:07:34,286 people are dying to invest in his movies. 1381 01:07:34,317 --> 01:07:37,890 And if a script is going around town which has his endorsement on it 1382 01:07:37,921 --> 01:07:40,731 and a promise that he will distribute it, you're in fabulous shape. 1383 01:07:40,757 --> 01:07:43,567 There's an old story about 1384 01:07:43,593 --> 01:07:46,164 the producer with a successful Broadway play. 1385 01:07:46,196 --> 01:07:48,369 And his friend comes to him and says, 1386 01:07:48,398 --> 01:07:50,503 "Here's the way we can fix the second act." 1387 01:07:50,533 --> 01:07:54,913 And the producer says, "Never -- around with a winner." 1388 01:07:54,938 --> 01:07:57,714 Roger came bounding up the stairs. 1389 01:07:57,741 --> 01:08:00,483 And he said, 1390 01:08:00,510 --> 01:08:03,081 "Ron, you're here. Have you heard the news?" 1391 01:08:03,113 --> 01:08:05,389 I said, "No." "Great news: 1392 01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:07,486 'G rand Theft Auto'--" 1393 01:08:07,517 --> 01:08:10,088 which was a very successful movie for him-- 1394 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,691 "'Grand Theft Auto' just sold to CBS. 1395 01:08:12,722 --> 01:08:15,828 It's the first time we've ever sold a movie to the networks- 1396 01:08:15,859 --> 01:08:18,635 for $1.1 million." 1397 01:08:18,661 --> 01:08:20,663 And I said, "Well, that's great, Roger." 1398 01:08:20,697 --> 01:08:22,836 He said, "It's fantastic. 1399 01:08:22,866 --> 01:08:26,370 That makes your 7.5% look awfully good." 1400 01:08:26,402 --> 01:08:29,008 'Cause I had a little profit participation in "Grand Theft Auto." 1401 01:08:29,038 --> 01:08:30,915 I said, "Yeah, it does." He said, 1402 01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:34,979 "it makes my 92.5% look goddamn wonderful." 1403 01:08:46,956 --> 01:08:51,029 ." Open up the sky. open up the sky .' 1404 01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:55,236 ♪ 'Cause I'm coming up to you, I'm coming up to you ♪ 1405 01:08:55,264 --> 01:08:59,679 ♪ So send down your wings, so send down your wings ♪ 1406 01:08:59,703 --> 01:09:01,740 ♪ And let them bring me to you ♪ 1407 01:09:01,771 --> 01:09:03,808 ♪ And bring me to you ♪ 1408 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,481 ♪ Get on up, big bird, to my baby's love ♪ 1409 01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:09,888 ♪ Get on up, big bird ♪ 1410 01:09:09,913 --> 01:09:11,950 ♪ To my baby's love ♪ 1411 01:09:11,981 --> 01:09:15,986 ♪ Get on up, big bird, 'cause I've got to make it ♪ 1412 01:09:16,019 --> 01:09:18,021 ♪ Just get on up, big bird ♪ 1413 01:09:18,054 --> 01:09:20,056 ♪ 'Cause I've got to make it ♪ 1414 01:09:20,089 --> 01:09:22,091 ♪ Get on up, big bird ♪ 1415 01:09:22,125 --> 01:09:24,127 ♪ Get on up, big bird ♪ 1416 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,140 ♪ Get on up, big bird ♪ 1417 01:09:26,162 --> 01:09:28,142 ♪ Get on up, big bird ♪ 1418 01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:30,144 ♪ Get on up, big bird ♪ 1419 01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:32,112 ♪ Just get on up, big bird ♪ 1420 01:09:32,135 --> 01:09:34,342 ♪ Get on up, big bird... ♪ 1422 01:09:39,742 --> 01:09:42,951 Announcer: There is a creature alive today. 1423 01:09:42,979 --> 01:09:45,323 It lives to kill-- 1424 01:09:47,116 --> 01:09:49,528 a mindless eating machine. 1425 01:09:49,552 --> 01:09:52,158 It is as if God 1426 01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:54,190 created the devil 1427 01:09:54,223 --> 01:09:56,225 and gave him jaws. 1429 01:10:01,097 --> 01:10:03,134 The blockbuster movie of the summer is "Jaws," 1430 01:10:03,166 --> 01:10:04,839 the tale of a murderous white shark... 1431 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,370 The record-breaking box office receipts created by "Jaws"... 1432 01:10:07,404 --> 01:10:10,078 - ...the movie "Jaws." - Some people who have seen it 1433 01:10:10,106 --> 01:10:12,017 are now seeing phantom sharks every time... 1434 01:10:12,041 --> 01:10:14,248 - Steven Spielberg... - "Time Magazine" seldom... 1435 01:10:14,277 --> 01:10:18,054 When that movie was released... 1436 01:10:18,081 --> 01:10:21,961 Announcer: See it before you go swimming. 1437 01:10:21,985 --> 01:10:24,363 When Steven Spielberg made "Jaws," 1438 01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:28,927 he took a very Cormanesque idea- you know, the killer shark. 1439 01:10:28,958 --> 01:10:30,960 I mean, it doesn't get any more Corman than that-- 1440 01:10:30,994 --> 01:10:34,203 killer shark eating naked girls as they go skinny-dipping. 1441 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,643 Roth: Once people got a taste of movies like "Jaws," 1442 01:10:37,667 --> 01:10:40,580 they really didn't want the drive-in movies anymore. 1443 01:10:40,603 --> 01:10:41,946 They stopped going 1444 01:10:41,971 --> 01:10:43,712 They wanted to go to the theaters 1445 01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:45,777 and be part of some cultural phenomenon 1446 01:10:45,809 --> 01:10:48,119 that everyone was talking about and everyone was going to see. 1447 01:10:48,144 --> 01:10:51,455 And it wasn't about taking your girl to the drive-in. 1448 01:10:51,481 --> 01:10:53,483 And then everything kind of changed 1449 01:10:53,516 --> 01:10:56,395 - on the day "Star Wars" came out. - Yeah. 1450 01:10:56,419 --> 01:10:59,332 We went to an 11:00 show right over at the Chinese 1451 01:10:59,355 --> 01:11:00,857 and it was extraordinary. 1452 01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:02,892 - When these lines appeared... - Yeah. 1453 01:11:02,926 --> 01:11:05,270 ...everybody was astounded. I mean, they couldn't understand. 1454 01:11:05,294 --> 01:11:07,535 "Jaws"-- it was like, okay, it's a best-seller and we sort of know 1455 01:11:07,564 --> 01:11:09,908 that's gonna make a lot of money. But "Star Wars" came from nowhere. 1456 01:11:09,933 --> 01:11:13,039 And all of a sudden this gigantic change happened. 1457 01:11:13,069 --> 01:11:15,071 It was just like the "Easy Rider" change. 1458 01:11:15,104 --> 01:11:18,347 It was like going to a revival meeting. That first screening just was amazing. 1459 01:11:25,848 --> 01:11:28,590 Corman: When I saw "Star Wars" 1460 01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:31,360 I said, "This is a threat to me 1461 01:11:31,387 --> 01:11:34,994 because it means that the major studios 1462 01:11:35,024 --> 01:11:38,198 are beginning to understand what we've been doing 1463 01:11:38,227 --> 01:11:41,504 for $100,000 or so 1464 01:11:41,531 --> 01:11:45,673 and they're now doing it for multi-millions of dollars. 1465 01:11:45,702 --> 01:11:49,514 And it's going to be very difficult for us to compete." 1466 01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:13,932 Corman: I felt the major studios 1467 01:12:13,963 --> 01:12:16,534 are hitting straight into 1468 01:12:16,566 --> 01:12:18,978 what has been my bread and butter 1469 01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:21,345 for 20 years 1470 01:12:21,371 --> 01:12:24,875 and also the staple of many of my compatriots. 1471 01:12:37,186 --> 01:12:39,689 McCarthy: "Jaws" and then "Star Wars" 1472 01:12:39,722 --> 01:12:42,635 set a whole new standard. 1473 01:12:42,658 --> 01:12:44,535 I mean, just the bar got set higher. 1474 01:12:44,561 --> 01:12:45,972 You couldn't really get away 1475 01:12:45,995 --> 01:12:48,066 with doing cheap science fiction films anymore. 1476 01:12:48,097 --> 01:12:50,976 Nicholson: I hated "Star Wars." 1477 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,140 If "Star Wars" doesn't make a ton of cabbage, 1478 01:12:54,170 --> 01:12:56,548 you know, we'd still be having 1479 01:12:56,572 --> 01:13:00,748 these weird green flashing lines going across the screen. 1480 01:13:00,777 --> 01:13:03,724 All these guys are coming from film school. 1481 01:13:03,746 --> 01:13:07,284 We're all coming from, "Let us get a job." 1483 01:13:08,618 --> 01:13:10,564 He did it first with horror pictures, 1484 01:13:10,587 --> 01:13:13,431 with science fiction pictures which he did for no money 1485 01:13:13,456 --> 01:13:17,768 and, you know, quickly and unpretentiously. 1486 01:13:17,794 --> 01:13:19,865 That's who we are today. 1487 01:13:19,896 --> 01:13:21,898 And I miss the Roger Corman versions. 1488 01:13:21,931 --> 01:13:25,879 What we see now is the tent poles of the studios. 1489 01:13:25,902 --> 01:13:28,815 The summer and Christmas tent poles 1490 01:13:28,838 --> 01:13:31,682 are very often films that could have been done 1491 01:13:31,708 --> 01:13:35,383 by Roger Corman at a much smaller budget. 1492 01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:38,654 But those are the films now that are attracting 1493 01:13:38,681 --> 01:13:40,752 the top filmmakers and the biggest budgets. 1494 01:13:40,783 --> 01:13:44,925 And what has the wonderful revolution done 1495 01:13:44,954 --> 01:13:47,025 for independence of filmmaking? 1496 01:13:47,056 --> 01:13:50,594 Well, we make 12 circuses a year and very few movies. 1497 01:13:50,626 --> 01:13:53,971 When you read that a picture cost $35 million to make, 1498 01:13:53,996 --> 01:13:55,498 what do you think of that cost? 1499 01:13:55,531 --> 01:13:57,408 Actually I think it's wrong. 1500 01:13:57,433 --> 01:14:01,813 I think the artist should be able to express himself 1501 01:14:01,838 --> 01:14:04,079 for less money than that. 1502 01:14:04,107 --> 01:14:07,054 And the businessman should be able to invest his money better. 1503 01:14:07,076 --> 01:14:09,647 I think from both an artistic and a commercial standpoint, 1504 01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:12,091 it is wrong to spend that much money. And in addition, 1505 01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:14,891 I think there are better things to do with the money in our society. 1506 01:14:14,917 --> 01:14:16,590 - For example? - You could- 1507 01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:18,621 for $30 million or $40 million, 1508 01:14:18,654 --> 01:14:20,759 which is what some of these films are costing, 1509 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:23,999 you could rebuild a portion of the slums of a city, 1510 01:14:24,027 --> 01:14:25,802 - just as one example. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 1511 01:14:25,828 --> 01:14:27,865 So you think it's obscene to spend that much money. 1512 01:14:27,897 --> 01:14:29,376 Yes, I would use that word. 1513 01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:31,675 Once the "Star Wars" juggernaut thing happened 1514 01:14:31,701 --> 01:14:33,942 and the idea that everything had to be an event movie, 1515 01:14:33,970 --> 01:14:35,972 it just became difficult. The business changed. 1516 01:14:36,005 --> 01:14:38,144 He ended up having to go direct to video with a lot of the stuff. 1517 01:14:38,174 --> 01:14:41,314 There's just 100 billion shelves with 100 billion DVDs 1518 01:14:41,344 --> 01:14:43,654 and it's very hard to stick out. 1519 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,751 He switched over to making slasher movies. 1520 01:14:45,782 --> 01:14:48,695 And that was a very limited genre, so it was harder 1521 01:14:48,718 --> 01:14:51,699 to make something that was interesting in that genre. 1522 01:14:51,721 --> 01:14:54,759 I met him at a dinner party in New York in the early '30s. 1523 01:14:54,791 --> 01:14:57,032 And I said, "Aren't you gonna do any more? 1524 01:14:57,059 --> 01:14:58,470 Are you gonna direct a few more?" 1525 01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:01,134 He said, "I don't think so. The whole scene is changing- 1526 01:15:01,164 --> 01:15:02,871 screwdrivers going into people's heads. 1527 01:15:02,899 --> 01:15:05,539 It just doesn't-- it doesn't-- I don't belong there anymore." 1528 01:15:05,568 --> 01:15:08,742 George Hickenlooper: I think he's become more obscure. 1529 01:15:08,771 --> 01:15:10,944 And I think that's too bad, because I think 1530 01:15:10,973 --> 01:15:14,386 he really has a very important legacy in Hollywood. 1531 01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:16,617 When a lot of his stuff went straight to DVD, 1532 01:15:16,646 --> 01:15:20,219 I think he lost a little bit of his mystique and cachet. 1533 01:15:20,249 --> 01:15:23,230 Penelope Spheeris: If you walked up to any 1534 01:15:23,252 --> 01:15:26,358 20, 25-year-old film buff 1535 01:15:26,389 --> 01:15:29,302 and asked if they knew who Roger was, 1536 01:15:29,325 --> 01:15:32,135 I think unfortunately they probably don't. 1537 01:15:32,161 --> 01:15:35,938 Gosh, I mean, how many other people 1538 01:15:35,965 --> 01:15:39,674 have made 400-- 335 movies, you know? 1539 01:15:39,702 --> 01:15:42,740 If he hadn't done seven million other pictures, 1540 01:15:42,772 --> 01:15:44,809 he'd have the same reputation 1541 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,252 as any of the other artistes. 1542 01:15:47,276 --> 01:15:49,654 Snyder: Are the people with whom you've worked over the years 1543 01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:51,716 still friendly with you? Do they like you? 1544 01:15:51,747 --> 01:15:53,727 Do they call you on the phone now and again and say, 1545 01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:55,229 "Hi, Roger. How is it going?" 1546 01:15:55,251 --> 01:15:58,095 I think so. I still talk with them. Careers move in different directions, 1547 01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,793 but most of them are still friends of mine. 1548 01:15:59,822 --> 01:16:02,462 They use words with you like, forgive me, "the schlockmeister." 1549 01:16:02,492 --> 01:16:04,199 Does that bother you when they say those things? 1550 01:16:04,227 --> 01:16:05,297 - Yes. - Does it? 1551 01:16:05,328 --> 01:16:07,638 - Yeah, it bothers me, right. - It should. You're just trying... 1552 01:16:07,663 --> 01:16:09,734 Roth: Roger Corman made it okay for all of us 1553 01:16:09,766 --> 01:16:11,336 to make exploitation movies. 1554 01:16:11,367 --> 01:16:13,313 He showed that you shouldn't be embarrassed. 1555 01:16:13,336 --> 01:16:15,976 There's nothing wrong with you for loving a movie like "Piranha." 1556 01:16:16,005 --> 01:16:18,315 That it doesn't mean that you're stupid 1557 01:16:18,341 --> 01:16:21,015 for loving a movie that seems like a stupid exploitation movie. 1558 01:16:21,043 --> 01:16:23,523 And that a lot of these films are very smart, 1559 01:16:23,546 --> 01:16:25,287 made with lots of intelligence 1560 01:16:25,314 --> 01:16:27,658 and that it's okay to have fun at the movies. 1561 01:16:27,683 --> 01:16:29,685 I think it's very important 1562 01:16:29,719 --> 01:16:32,723 to let the generation of today know who he is. 1563 01:16:32,755 --> 01:16:36,430 We all-- we knew it almost 40 years ago. 1564 01:16:36,459 --> 01:16:40,601 So it's time to reintroduce him as a director, 1565 01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:43,076 but also what he represents of American entertainment. 1566 01:16:43,099 --> 01:16:46,046 He represents a side of Hollywood 1567 01:16:46,069 --> 01:16:48,640 sort of unto his own, you know. 1568 01:16:48,671 --> 01:16:50,582 You know, there are a lot of Samuel Goldwyns, 1569 01:16:50,606 --> 01:16:53,587 a lot of Irving Thalbergs. There's really only one Roger Corman. 1570 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:55,452 That style of filmmaking, 1571 01:16:55,478 --> 01:16:58,357 that attitude, that approach to filmmaking 1572 01:16:58,381 --> 01:17:01,116 really is unparalleled. 1573 01:17:01,117 --> 01:17:01,458 1574 01:17:03,653 --> 01:17:06,896 You know, I know it's right to have the tie hand-tied, 1575 01:17:06,923 --> 01:17:09,267 but frankly the pre-tied ties 1576 01:17:09,292 --> 01:17:11,738 look better because they're perfect. 1577 01:17:11,761 --> 01:17:15,140 I guess the whole idea is if it's slightly imperfect, 1578 01:17:15,164 --> 01:17:17,405 it's considered to be handmade. 1579 01:17:17,433 --> 01:17:19,435 Julie: Yes. 1580 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:21,277 There's delight in disorder. 1581 01:17:21,304 --> 01:17:23,306 Right. 1582 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,626 Now... 1583 01:17:35,852 --> 01:17:38,162 - There you go. - Okay. 1584 01:17:56,138 --> 01:17:59,415 We're gonna give the Lifetime Achievement Award 1585 01:17:59,442 --> 01:18:01,046 to Roger Corman. 1586 01:18:01,077 --> 01:18:02,750 And they've asked me to be part of it. 1587 01:18:03,746 --> 01:18:06,192 I got to call him. And I said to him, 1588 01:18:06,215 --> 01:18:08,422 "The board of governors of the Motion Picture Academy 1589 01:18:08,451 --> 01:18:10,590 has voted to give you an honorary Oscar 1590 01:18:10,620 --> 01:18:12,463 for your life achievement." 1591 01:18:12,488 --> 01:18:14,559 And there was silence. He wasn't-- 1592 01:18:14,590 --> 01:18:17,901 He goes, "Excuse me? That's unbelievable." 1593 01:18:18,928 --> 01:18:21,602 The funny part is, of course, that Roger is, 1594 01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:24,236 you know, the ultimate fierce independent. 1595 01:18:24,267 --> 01:18:26,804 So I told him, "Yes," I said, 1596 01:18:26,836 --> 01:18:29,874 "I know when you get up there, you're really gonna stick it to The Man." 1598 01:18:36,679 --> 01:18:39,819 Howard: Roger, if you could stand, 1599 01:18:39,849 --> 01:18:42,329 I'd like to offer you a toast. 1600 01:18:42,351 --> 01:18:45,491 For all your 1601 01:18:45,521 --> 01:18:47,694 progressive influence 1602 01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:49,725 in our medium 1603 01:18:49,758 --> 01:18:51,760 and for our industry, 1604 01:18:51,794 --> 01:18:54,638 it's our honor to salute you tonight, Roger. 1605 01:18:54,663 --> 01:18:58,270 - Hear, hear. 1606 01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:00,906 Tarantino: The Academy thanks you. 1607 01:19:00,936 --> 01:19:03,382 Hollywood thanks you. 1608 01:19:03,406 --> 01:19:06,649 Independent filmmaking thanks you. 1609 01:19:06,675 --> 01:19:08,712 But most importantly, 1610 01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:11,156 for all the wild, weird, 1611 01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:14,457 cool, crazy moments you've put on the drive-in screens, 1612 01:19:14,483 --> 01:19:18,556 the movie lovers of the planet Earth thank you. 1614 01:19:23,793 --> 01:19:27,673 He is one of the finest personages in our field. 1615 01:19:27,697 --> 01:19:31,110 Roger, please come up to accept your Oscar. 1617 01:19:52,121 --> 01:19:54,123 Needless to say, I'm delighted 1618 01:19:54,156 --> 01:19:57,160 to accept this Oscar personally, 1619 01:19:57,193 --> 01:20:00,970 but I'd also like to accept it on behalf of my wife Julie, 1620 01:20:00,997 --> 01:20:03,500 - who's been my-- 1621 01:20:06,535 --> 01:20:09,982 --my producing partner for many years. 1622 01:20:10,006 --> 01:20:13,180 I think that to succeed in this world 1623 01:20:13,209 --> 01:20:15,348 you have to take chances. 1624 01:20:15,377 --> 01:20:20,190 I believe the finest films being done today 1625 01:20:20,216 --> 01:20:22,856 are done by the original, 1626 01:20:22,885 --> 01:20:24,887 innovative filmmakers 1627 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,922 who have the courage 1628 01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:29,402 to take a chance and to gamble. 1629 01:20:29,425 --> 01:20:31,427 So I say to you. 1630 01:20:31,460 --> 01:20:33,701 Keep gambling. Keep taking chances. 1631 01:20:33,729 --> 01:20:36,175 Thank you. 1632 01:20:47,676 --> 01:20:52,216 When I think of sort of sublime moments 1633 01:20:52,248 --> 01:20:55,229 in my professional life, 1634 01:20:55,251 --> 01:20:59,165 I think of winning an Academy Award, 1635 01:20:59,188 --> 01:21:01,190 and right next to it 1636 01:21:01,223 --> 01:21:03,999 is the wrap party for "Grand Theft Auto." 1637 01:21:04,026 --> 01:21:07,269 Actually everybody grab for it. 1638 01:21:07,296 --> 01:21:09,298 Howard: I'd always dreamed of making a movie 1639 01:21:09,331 --> 01:21:11,208 and Roger let me make a movie. 1640 01:21:11,233 --> 01:21:13,679 And not only did I make it, 1641 01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,978 I loved it more than I ever dreamed I might. 1642 01:21:16,005 --> 01:21:18,815 Is this sort of like the way you get an honorary degree at Harvard? 1643 01:21:18,841 --> 01:21:20,445 Am I an honorary member 1644 01:21:20,476 --> 01:21:23,218 of the Roger Corman school of filmmaking? 1645 01:21:23,245 --> 01:21:25,020 You know, I don't know. 1646 01:21:25,047 --> 01:21:27,755 I'm actually a little tongue-tied when I'm with Roger. 1647 01:21:29,318 --> 01:21:31,320 I just have- 1648 01:21:31,353 --> 01:21:33,924 you know, we're completely different kind of people. 1649 01:21:33,956 --> 01:21:36,266 And I have such respect for him. 1650 01:21:36,292 --> 01:21:38,294 You know, every once in a while 1651 01:21:38,327 --> 01:21:40,329 Roger would come to my rescue pretty much, 1652 01:21:40,362 --> 01:21:42,968 you know, when things were- nothing was happening. 1653 01:21:44,533 --> 01:21:47,707 Polly Platt: My husband left me and the phone stopped ringing, 1654 01:21:47,736 --> 01:21:50,615 but the only person who called me was Roger. 1655 01:21:52,608 --> 01:21:55,680 And he said, "You can direct a picture any time you want. 1656 01:21:55,711 --> 01:21:58,419 I'll produce it for you." 1657 01:21:58,447 --> 01:22:02,293 So he's the only person who called me. 1658 01:22:04,386 --> 01:22:07,731 Demme: We'll put them on our Facebook pages. 1659 01:22:07,756 --> 01:22:09,758 I mean, there's nobody in there 1660 01:22:09,792 --> 01:22:14,070 that he didn't in the most important way support. 1661 01:22:14,096 --> 01:22:17,043 He was, you know, my main connec-- 1662 01:22:17,066 --> 01:22:19,478 my lifeblood 1663 01:22:19,501 --> 01:22:22,004 to whatever I thought I was gonna be 1664 01:22:22,037 --> 01:22:24,540 as a person. 1665 01:22:24,573 --> 01:22:26,951 And, you know, I hope he knows 1666 01:22:26,976 --> 01:22:29,388 that this is not all hot air. 1667 01:22:29,411 --> 01:22:31,823 I'm gonna cry now. 1668 01:22:34,016 --> 01:22:36,997 Not just me, who's very sentimental, 1669 01:22:37,019 --> 01:22:40,330 but these other people also love him. 1670 01:22:44,727 --> 01:22:46,673 Sorry. 1671 01:22:57,940 --> 01:23:02,286 Corman: Mike, I've just gotten off the phone with Syfy. 1672 01:23:02,311 --> 01:23:05,690 They're very worried about the climax of the script. 1673 01:23:05,714 --> 01:23:08,991 They believe the Mayan dance sequence 1674 01:23:09,017 --> 01:23:11,623 in the jungle is not big enough. 1675 01:23:11,654 --> 01:23:14,328 I'm going to make the stage bigger 1676 01:23:14,356 --> 01:23:17,860 and bring in almost a Mayan village rather than a temple. 1677 01:23:17,893 --> 01:23:21,238 He wants to stay in the game. 1678 01:23:21,263 --> 01:23:23,869 To some extent, he does see 1679 01:23:23,899 --> 01:23:26,175 making movies as a game, 1680 01:23:26,201 --> 01:23:28,203 a game that you can win or lose. 1681 01:23:28,237 --> 01:23:30,581 And staying in means that you're winning. 1682 01:23:31,807 --> 01:23:33,684 Julie: These are for "Splatter." 1683 01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:35,950 - Oh, for "Splatter," okay. - Yes. 1684 01:23:35,978 --> 01:23:39,289 He really epitomized what's wonderful about the American dream- 1685 01:23:39,314 --> 01:23:41,123 that you can succeed no matter what. 1686 01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:43,187 Even if you fail, you can reinvent yourself. 1687 01:23:49,258 --> 01:23:52,034 Anderson: If you love it and you're allowed to keep working, 1688 01:23:52,061 --> 01:23:54,268 or you have the energy to keep working, as Roger does, 1689 01:23:54,296 --> 01:23:56,037 there is no retirement age. 1690 01:23:56,065 --> 01:23:57,976 No one kind of gives you your gold watch 1691 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,105 and tells you to go home because your career's over. 1692 01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:06,041 Let's go back. 1693 01:24:06,075 --> 01:24:09,682 Cut on the frame after she exits the shot-- 1694 01:24:09,712 --> 01:24:12,716 bam! right there. 1695 01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:17,260 There's an Arab maxim, which is, 1696 01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:20,096 "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on." 1697 01:24:20,122 --> 01:24:22,500 And this is Roger to me, as the caravan, you know. 1698 01:24:22,524 --> 01:24:24,299 He's making the decision and moving forward. 1699 01:24:24,326 --> 01:24:25,896 And you're saying, "But wait a minute, 1700 01:24:25,928 --> 01:24:28,033 you haven't thought about what the actors will think. 1701 01:24:28,063 --> 01:24:30,009 And what about if the truck isn't available?" 1702 01:24:30,032 --> 01:24:32,911 "We're gonna shoot this here now." 1703 01:24:59,661 --> 01:25:03,871 Consider yourselves officially enrolled in Rock 'n' Roll High School. 1704 01:25:03,899 --> 01:25:06,573 The facilities are yours. Do whatever you want. 1705 01:25:08,504 --> 01:25:11,383 ♪ Do you want to dance and hold my hand? ♪ 1706 01:25:11,406 --> 01:25:13,784 ♪ Tell me, baby, I'm your lover man ♪ 1707 01:25:13,809 --> 01:25:15,686 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 1708 01:25:15,711 --> 01:25:19,124 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1709 01:25:19,148 --> 01:25:22,152 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1710 01:25:22,184 --> 01:25:24,391 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all through the night ♪ 1711 01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:26,194 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 1712 01:25:26,221 --> 01:25:28,633 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1714 01:25:30,192 --> 01:25:32,604 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1715 01:25:32,628 --> 01:25:35,108 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1716 01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:38,111 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1717 01:25:38,133 --> 01:25:39,703 What the hell? 1719 01:25:45,307 --> 01:25:48,845 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1720 01:25:48,877 --> 01:25:50,788 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all though the night ♪ 1721 01:25:50,813 --> 01:25:52,850 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 1722 01:25:52,881 --> 01:25:55,828 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1723 01:25:55,851 --> 01:25:59,389 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1724 01:25:59,421 --> 01:26:01,332 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all though the night ♪ 1725 01:26:01,356 --> 01:26:03,393 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 1726 01:26:03,425 --> 01:26:07,168 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1727 01:26:07,196 --> 01:26:09,836 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1728 01:26:09,865 --> 01:26:11,776 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all though the night ♪ 1729 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,780 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 1730 01:26:13,802 --> 01:26:17,113 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1731 01:26:17,139 --> 01:26:20,177 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1732 01:26:20,209 --> 01:26:22,450 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1733 01:26:22,477 --> 01:26:24,423 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1734 01:26:24,446 --> 01:26:27,655 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1735 01:26:27,683 --> 01:26:29,890 - Sir. - Excuse me, I'm on the phone. 1736 01:26:29,918 --> 01:26:32,524 - The piranhas. - What about the goddamn piranhas? 1737 01:26:32,554 --> 01:26:34,227 They're eating the guests, sir. 1738 01:26:34,256 --> 01:26:35,826 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1739 01:26:35,858 --> 01:26:38,498 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1740 01:26:38,527 --> 01:26:40,268 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1741 01:26:40,295 --> 01:26:43,970 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1742 01:26:43,999 --> 01:26:46,172 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1743 01:26:46,201 --> 01:26:48,977 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1744 01:26:49,004 --> 01:26:50,779 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1745 01:26:50,806 --> 01:26:54,379 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1746 01:26:54,409 --> 01:26:56,889 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1747 01:26:56,912 --> 01:26:59,518 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1748 01:26:59,548 --> 01:27:01,289 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1749 01:27:01,317 --> 01:27:04,264 ♪ Do you want to dance? ♪ 1752 01:27:20,435 --> 01:27:23,973 Hey, quiet. Quiet, everybody. Listen. Quiet.137781

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