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is our government in the possession of a
crash retrieval that was made not on
planet Earth we have a pretty good idea
where those things were taken it's not
the secret anymore that those things
have been retrieved
they've been retrieved all over the
world by special teams they've been
taken to the best lands
the Ukrainian researchers said you know
we see these UAP under all kinds of
visible conditions a lot of the time
lots of different locations
we also have the web telescope that can
look at such an object from a different
direction than the observatories on
Earth the myths are consistent with
oftentimes referred to as the gods and
there's a lot more going on here not
just on this planet but on other planets
I think this is the art of the Covenant
they were actually multiple arcs history
isn't what we've been taught and we're
going to get to the bottom of it
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foreign
the big picture and I would like to
welcome probably two of the most talked
about guys on the internet within this
subject and that is Mr Mike Barra and Mr
Richard dose which are both here with me
today thanks guys for for coming along
and uh it is a great opportunity to be
able to actually discuss about some of
the things in the big rules of the UFOs
or the UAP if that's we want to call it
now and uh and of course you come come
completely different backgrounds and I
like that well obviously it's going to
be interesting because your viewpoints
regarding some of these matters that
people have been facing and asking me
over the last three four years now most
people also know that they're the
subjects of UFOs UAP especially when
talking with families in like the
elephant in the room situation you know
well that has changed someone you know
because I can kind of go into my family
now going no no no no no you know
because
something ended up on the news saying
that UFOs uops whatever what they call
them are real
now what's the impact of that and I'd
like to find out first from Richard yeah
because from your background it was a
very visual background and I'm not going
to go into it because most of our
listeners if not all of them will
probably know your background
how did that impact you all of a sudden
it's all over the television people
might be asking questions
um was you aware that was coming was you
any inkling of that was going to happen
well going back uh some years before the
release
uh our group and I I'm a member of a
group of retired Intelligence Officers
former and retired Intelligence Officers
yeah and we've been together since the
late 90s
and we're trying to get disclosure out
and that's why I speak at UFO
conventions we met Senator Reid when he
was in the Senate Senator Harry Reid
from this is kind of where it started
yes right in the Senate he was a
majority leader actually at the time we
met him during the Bush Administration
we met him at a conference it was
somewhat
quasi-i-private conference in Salt Lake
City and he came in to be a guest
speaker and there's only there were only
about 80 people in the room and all
almost all of them were the retired
Intelligence Officers right and this was
in uh 19
2006 2007 time frame and he brought up
this he brought up the Nimitz incident
which is half it happened a couple years
prior to that and very few of us in the
room knew about it I mean there was some
other I didn't know about it at the time
but some others did and then jump ahead
uh we were invited to a small uh meeting
of a couple of us other Senators both
from he's a Democrat yeah uh to hear
your Democrat but also some Republicans
we went to Washington DC actually
Landover Maryland and we sat down and
talked in a room
and this is just before
the the the the atep stuff came out
right and then uh he didn't tell us it
was coming out
but he kind of heated that something was
the Navy was going to present something
okay and then of course it happened
um of course we were someone startled by
it the fact that it was almost
sanctioned and the way it was presented
yeah I'm straight to the newspapers
straight to the newspaper which is
unheard off normally especially those
newspapers ago but if you wanna yeah you
want to dig back after the release there
was a radio program in Washington DC a
morning show it was a male and a woman
and a man doing a show and they were
interviewing this
Pentagon spokesman all right and they
were you know they were asking all sorts
of questions about you know more
information can is more information
coming out and the spokesman said
and I'm most quoting him
we can only put out what the
intelligence agency gives us
and the quotes yeah so I thought that
was kind of odd that that statement was
made
um and of course Jump Ahead to no denial
though no denial and jump ahead to the
incident the Airing of it the analysis
of it
P I was never in the Navy I was Air
Force so but there were Intelligence
Officers had been in the Navy in fact we
have we had a a
Admiral a one-star Admiral a one stripe
Admiral they call him uh rear Admiral uh
Honor on our group and when he analyzed
the first thing he said was
when when the information came out that
the F A teens that were supposed to be
on alert protecting
hey we have contacts already wow that's
okay Richard yeah
my friends are just letting you know
they're around Richard
yeah
anyways yeah
he said
the startling information he got is
these two aircrafts are supposed to be
in the ready alert yes and they didn't
have any weapon systems on board
and now Jump Ahead to at that well they
didn't no no they didn't jump ahead to
the uh Navy Lieutenant who's now a bank
manager in Provo Utah who comes out he
was there at the time and says
two days before this happened some
civilians came on board the aircraft
ordered that all weapon systems be
turned off
the what the aircraft's unarmed For the
synthesis why do you think that would be
I don't know I'm gonna jump ahead to
Mike I think we
should've got a keen nose for these
things if you were you know you had us
you had a secret unmanned combat air
system yeah the joint unmanned combat
air system x47b that I was Consulting on
yeah 2003 or something
yeah or which is basically a drone uh
aircraft you know military drone not the
little kind that you fly around your
sailboat and put YouTube videos on but
the the big guy the big stuff but let's
say you had one that was more
sophisticated than than the publicly
being developed ones like like the one I
worked on and you wanted to test it it
seems to me that that you would test it
in probably a military testing range
which would be I don't know somewhere
off San Diego where this stuff all
happened and you probably wouldn't tell
your own military guys well is that you
were gonna test it yeah and and it's
weird because there's there's
descriptions of oh there was something
in the water that was that was there was
a bunch of foam or something in the
water there was like a ship or something
and they don't know what that was well
to me that's the carrier so what you do
is you you put this thing on a little
mini carrier to launch this drone you
probably launch it remotely you want to
test your systems and you want to see
how the military reacts so basically
it's just like when you've got the I say
an army Squad it goes out yeah hiking
the forest you're not going to tell them
halfway through that they're going to be
suddenly jumped by another team of
soldiers exactly you want another a
realistic thing to unfold to see how
people react exactly and the things I
see on the video are not more
sophisticated than the program I was
working on in 2003 and and so I would
say it's about the same performance
envelope and it looks like that's what I
think this really was yeah and now that
I know what he just sold us what Richard
just told us I'm like okay that
reinforces it even well yeah I mean it
does I mean the more you'll actually
look into this the more things start
screaming back again it isn't exactly
what it might be or wow he's being
explained yeah to be one interesting
thing I did come across was a document
an Israeli document official document
now there's really documents you know in
regarding UFO incursions and things they
don't hide the fact that they put UFO on
the documents you know they've never
been afraid to say UFO UFO UFO they've
done it many many times it was one on
2015. that talks about uh their their
pilots having to scramble
because of drones
CIA drones which were over their
facilities and it scrambled Jets to try
and chase them away but it was a waste
of time because he could never catch up
these are so fast that uh it you know if
you hadn't even said drones you'd
immediately think oh it's UAP or UFO
um but it was only the fact that they
actually said CIA drones and I thought
well why would they do that you'd have
no problem saying UFO in the back you
know many times before and but actually
saying CIA drones monitoring their
facilities and it was a waste of time
even them scrambling the jokes because
they were just outmaneuvered with
Incredible speeds yeah because the
airframe can take so much more than a
pilot can so yeah it's like a literally
like a video game there's a guy sitting
somewhere in a room in in California
flying this thing around probably
um or it could you know the artificial
intelligence is good enough that they
could probably just fly independently
but you know you assume there's a pilot
remotely connected well yeah satellites
and that airframe can do
can take far more punishment than a
human being can well remember when they
first saw the images and these are
detailed drawings which was first on the
first documentary from somebody who had
interviewed the pilots and they had
drawn for them
um how what they the Tic Tac looked like
and there was some unusual prong things
underneath it now they seem to have
disappeared on everything further
obscene I'm not I only originally saw
them in their kind of first bits of
information that came out and I did
actually look at them and I thought to
myself they look a lot like pit up tubes
they do you know strangely enough and
what for the audience do you know what
bits up tubes are anyways they were bits
up tubes are for and you tend to find
them on those type of
you know unmanned palleted Vehicles
right you know for the GPS and gives you
all sorts of different things and I
thought well it's got four of them up
you know and I thought that's unusual it
doesn't look I don't see many things
like that on what you might refer to as
alien Tech yeah yeah not a lot of
antennas and landing gear yeah yeah you
don't usually see that so yeah yeah but
you know there are people that said that
you know they've seen some of these
things and of course I've got some
recordings which we've seen from uh from
Mexico the children's of Mexico
um so there are some things flying
around and uh and they are unusual the
way they move and they are silent but
the big question is are they truly UAP
or UFOs as they want to say
why do you think what's what's the great
effort do you think now guys um I mean
why all of a sudden I mean we you know
we've been crying out for disclosure
many many people in this subject for
many years and when that happened
you know I mean they jump to the roof
they thought oh it's finally happening
but is it finally happening because you
know this is how we want to perceive
what disclosure is and is it even a
disclosure or is it some because many
people have suggested you know that who
I've talked to everybody is that there
has been these drone Wars happening
what's yours what's your take on the
Drone situation is it do we have all
these multiple countries like China or
in Russia now with their drones as well
which really look profound I've seen a
lot of the the blueprints and things you
know that from the designs of these
things but they're saying that you know
there's a lot of drone stuff happening
now well jump back to my early days in
intelligence in the late 70s and 80s at
Kirtland Air Force Base
a case that I ran uh
regarding Paul benowitz what he was
seeing yeah uh out there in a remote
area that test range area
was was drones it was the first very
very first
experimental uh project for the Air
Force with drones now back in those days
and Mike will know this because he
worked a Boeing the drones were launched
out of airplanes
yeah uh ec-135 airplanes which is
basically a 707 yeah yeah and and the
plane would have to be controlling it
it'd have to be in close proximity so
these drones are flying around and for a
ground Observer ah that uh there's a UFO
flying around that plane of course yes
yeah and so and that's what Paul
benewood saw the The Jump Ahead or take
not technology had Advanced now days if
you go out to Nevada if you can park
outside Creech Air Force Base you can or
if you if you go north and park outside
off you know
we just did a documentary around it so
we're going to see that here and you can
see drones flying all over the place and
they're highly sophisticated drones now
that's the future do you think I think
that's that's the uh I think that's the
same network I think uh you know Boeing
had that I think at least two projects
regarding don'ts that I knew of I might
work from longer than I yet yeah I
actually worked for out of college my
first job was with a subsidiary or
Boeing that sold the aircraft I didn't
have anything to do with the technology
oh right but I knew where the secret
building was you know where the secret
meeting was dude so
um but but I think the technology is is
going to be Advanced uh to the point
where you're going to take the pilots
out of the cockpit we have fighter
planes being tested a ton of paw and
Groom Lake
that are all remote their planes will
take off and they're controlled by the
ground controllers uh it's not gonna
we don't have to worry about gravity or
there's so much yeah the g-forces we
don't have it have to worry about any of
this stuff no so that actually puts away
the problem we've got to do in this sort
of inertia what's your take on it making
I'm working at Boeing on you you don't
come across drones well my take on this
stuff is did anybody watch Battlestar
Galactica have you heard of the cylons
have you seen Terminator 2 Judgment Day
I mean my God what are we messing with
but I mean I remember seeing in 2006 I
saw a presentation by a guy who worked
at a some Defense Agency uh and he
showed us pictures of them actually
splicing human brain cells neurons onto
computer circuit boards in 2006 okay so
that's 2006 nearly 20 years ago now 17
years ago 16 years ago yeah so if they
were working on that stuff then and that
would they just felt like it would
increase the performance of the of the
computer circuits by even greater
amounts or that they could then plug
this into a person and you know and this
is stuff that they they've been talking
about and working on for many many years
but I I just think to myself you know at
what point does does do you get Asylum I
mean at what point do you it's like it
and they do they always turn on their
creators yeah I know that we're getting
you know bits and Bobs that come through
on the press and stuff like that you
know well we've got computers now it can
beat us at jazz and all sorts of
different things and they're getting
better at them and better that's the
stuff we do now I always think to myself
you know well okay well how long does it
take until that to get to the mainstream
you know how you know what technology do
we currently have so many years 20 years
probably because yeah some years back
home I mean I started out in engineering
um and Telecommunications and signed a
couple of secret acts and I was working
on the guys nicknamed and bio boards
and this was 29 years ago and it was in
a it was a project between NATO Marconi
and it was something to do with three
large very large satellites unlisted I
believe uh satellites in orbit and the I
was working on the racking systems with
these cards and these cards will look
like the very large cars that you might
find in a in in a tower computer for an
example right but on them and why they
were called bio boards it's because this
the circuitry also had memory cells
which were biological biological memory
cells wow and I thought okay now I kind
of get it my nickname and bio boards you
know
um and it was all automated as soon as I
locked in these into the cabinet the
automated the link up directly to the
satellite satellites communicating with
them they flash out will you say flush
out the they they pair in a sense it's
like the old days of Bluetooth thing you
know they kind of pair and this thing
the satellite controls because
somebody's controlling the satellite to
tell the information to so somebody at
the other end is obviously dealing with
that right and they could I mean the
control of the satellites communicating
with this and I thought to myself
straight away wow this technology is out
uh I didn't know that's gonna be great
because it's going to be everybody's
computers I'm still waiting now and of
course you know I never talked about it
I never would ever talk about it because
I thought you know I signed two official
good sequel sounds not to do so
but um I remember about five or six
years ago I was reading on the internet
like IBM are going to be releasing
plasma memory cells and I thought Bingo
that's one they are and I thought well
if he's out on the internet I'm okay to
come across have you come across
technology have you ever heard oh yeah
let me let me tell you a story about
when I first came in intelligence in
1979 I went we we were deployed to do
something and I got up my first laptop
this is 19 late December 1979 79 we got
laptops made by IBM 1970. so it was it
was as big as a suitcase 70 pounds and
and we were able to send hyper burst
system only 100 bits on a message but
from one point to another or from one
computer to another so jump ahead when
was the first laptop in the early 90s
yeah so yeah the military
industrial complex will get the real
neat stuff before it ever is filtered
out into the Society of the public
sorts of Technologies right I mean how
many years ago when we heard about a rap
brain was flying a
um you know a military aircraft yeah you
know and testing and I think to myself
okay well that's what we do know now
it's out in the Press we know now but
how far are they really in advance is
the big question and of course if the
pushing all this into you know this
technology into drones that might
explain quite a number of things in
recent times what is interesting to me
is that you know we've moved away from
the old area one uh sorry Area 51
hypothesis that they're all hanging out
there and that sort of thing but I
thought to myself you know it is a
perfect place is it a new Area 52 in a
sense of speaking because you know
you're out at Sea you know nobody's can
see anything you know you haven't got
you know the ships normal ships passing
by or normal flights flying over it's
it's kind of a militarized testing
ground in a sense of speaking and I
think an ideal location to conduct those
tests because the Navy I'd have said if
you look through the history of UFOs
the neighbor has a very very strong
presence
in the subject of UFOs right from right
from the start you know
um and I thought to myself well that's a
perfect location yeah for the Office of
Naval intelligence has been involved in
studying this stuff for you know since
the 50s really I think I gave an example
in the talk yesterday about
um T Townsend Brown presenting he
presented to the Navy you know his
Flying Saucer idea so well I would have
thought that would have been the Air
Force but nobody no he presented well he
said I think actually his project the
cover of it said U.S Air Force but it
and it was a flying saucer but he
presented to the Navy and you know
that's interesting so the information
that came out for General people General
press or pizza Papa and people all
around the world saw the videos still
being pushed now and that's legitimacy
over these videos although I see timed
along as going back on tour yeah
I think you know when I look at those
things and I think to myself okay well
the average Joe blogs is not going to is
this is this is targeted for the average
Joe blogs it won't have any idea what
they're looking at you know to be honest
and it's to swing their opinion right
yeah which is why I think it's it's
really important that I I don't know I
feel compelled to point out reality
which is that there's nothing
exceptional about what's on these videos
these are questions that anybody should
be asking right but well but not
everybody knows to us no I mean I I just
I I have a really strong BS meter and
there's just something about it that
never felt right to me and then when
they brought forth certain spokesman
that I didn't really well you know my
view on this one you know yeah
can I I mean you don't want to say
Elizondo can I say that well he was
there but I mean the thing is he's a
he's an art he's an army
counterintelligence
I think I mean you've worked with Dr you
know Professor Hal putter yes I have
how's the nice guy and I don't think he
would have been sat there with that
180-foot screen behind him with a with
my minor blue if he well if he knew well
yeah here here's the
of course I was just I was a
counterintologist officer also I said
you were a grunt no but Army I
understand but I uh I ran uh we don't
call them disinformation operations we
call them deception operations with
misinformation but anyways if I if I was
going to plan something some kind of
operation involving the Tic Tac videos
uh
this would follow
well I would would have started yeah I
think I think there's so many aspects of
this that would cries out to uh
counterintelligence officers that this
is disinformation
and and why did some of the people well
you knew you saw the names of those guys
yeah on stage
it sounds real doesn't it do you think
they're not aware that there's someone
somewhere shouldn't have been doing the
checking somebody right well I think
that's the first thing I do if I'm going
to involve myself in anything true is
you know well what am I being part of
here what is it are you going to be
showing what photos where have they come
from you know be asking questions before
I want to put my face on International
television about it well I didn't
realize
the analysis until Mike's presentation
yesterday was just really extraordinary
I didn't I didn't realize all the uh
idiosyncrasies
uh that Mike brought out uh until then I
mean I knew I know there was were
questions but not as detailed as as
Mike's presentation was uh there's this
opens up a lot of questions now
I mean it really enforces my opinion
that it was all staged or it was being
conducted unbeknownst to the crew now
Kevin day I've known Kevin day he worked
in the uh combat operations center I've
I've spoke to him many many many times
seems like he's been sick he's very very
I mean I looked at his interviews and he
you know he was clearly bothered by this
yeah he was and and when these these two
civilians come in later on and and took
all the radar tapes
uh he talks about that that made me
suspicious who are they the Men in Black
you know honey we're told dude the
palettes weren't informed not to talk
about it but it was like Mike said if
some kind of an operation to test their
combat Readiness or whatever it is yeah
this is how you would do it because I
would have thought well you know what
what's happened here today stays here
and it doesn't go anywhere else and we
don't want you to talk about it that
would be the normal routine in the past
yeah you know if anything like that
happened because we know how it's
happening and the thing too is that you
know you have this um like
they sat on this stuff for like 10 or 15
years so they were waiting for the right
time to release this and put it out and
what writing for the right cast and crew
waiting for the right newspaper
cooperation because that has to have
been the thing is it's true it's an
attempt to create a narrative that's
transparently trying to create a certain
narrative and you know again I think
anybody I don't think I'm particularly
exceptional I think most
guys at no planes and stuff would look
at these videos and go I I don't think
that's Flying Saucer or an alien
spacecraft but
um there's this this narrative that's
trying to be created and and then you
start digging into okay well what's the
narrative well the narrative is aliens
bad because it's a tip and threat uh it
was in there right and so that's the
narrative alien's bad which they may be
I mean I think that aliens are kind of
like people there's probably some good
ones and some bad ones and I mean I
don't know I don't have any personal
experience thank God
so
um if it's aliens bad then is it part of
what Von broad talked about which is you
know the alien invade the fake Alien
Invasion scenario or actually but here's
the thing that really gets me about that
is okay if that's the track we're on
then that means that there's a conflict
behind the scenes that we're not seeing
between two sides and I'm not going to
call One the good and one the bad no I
think I think I know who the good guys
are but I I fully prepared to be wrong
yeah yeah but
um there's a side that I like and a side
that I don't like I'll put it that way
but then if if the guys that are in
power
are afraid of losing power then if that
if they've now pulled the trigger on
this doesn't that imply that they're
ready to go to that alien invasion
scenario which is the last thing and
that's a sign to me of desperation and
when people get desperate then that's
when you have
fake nuclear Wars and you know I mean
all the stuff that we're seeing in the
headlines today so I think that the
conflict
that's being displayed by the simple
publishing of this information and pass
it acknowledgment that it's real in some
sense uh it is actually fairly alarming
to my to my life a few things have
changed since then you know I mean
Alexander is not like with the ttsa
anymore
um well do they even exist anymore well
yeah exactly well only on paper I think
yeah learning a paper and I think uh Lou
is working for U.S space force yeah okay
oh he is okay I'm I'm dang I want one of
those space force jobs I want to be a
consultant I want one of those 174 000 a
year government consulting jobs so do
you think it's right it's gross guys or
do you think it's that's just you know
the thing is is that like I said there's
got to be more there should be more
drops to come there should be more stuff
coming I mean the Corbell video was
another one that got I mean I I
initially thought it's all about money
you know I mean because it usually is
right now yeah and uh defense money why
would the Pentagon cooperate with that
if it was just about money I mean well I
was thinking that you know what did he
want I mean maybe I mean I know that
he's been minding and I'm trying to get
you know the weaponizing of space and of
course there was a space trees yeah so
it's still stuck in the way of that sort
of thing and I know that would be the
efforts to do this on an official
capacity I'm talking about no I'm not
official yeah because there's probably
stuff already right okay
um but at some point something has to
become official
you know at some point to say okay this
is what he's going to be pounding and
that I can't imagine would be a lot of
money Trump was on that track yeah he
was talking about UFOs constantly almost
like every six months even you know and
and a lot of it was people asking him
questions but you know I think he's the
first president since Truman that has
admitted that he was briefed on UFOs and
I asked yeah I've been briefed on this
and that and the other thing and you
know he was very vague he was right very
general terms but he he kept bringing
back up this UFO subject uh and you know
Don Jr did an interview with him I think
in 2020 he asked him about Roswell and
he asked him about Area 51 and I he gave
some
evasive but nudge nudge wink wink answer
about it basically acknowledging that
yeah this stuff is out there and it's
it's important so I mean and then you
know we had the
changeover yes in public anyway I don't
know what's going on behind the scenes
but you know I think this is all signs
of uh tremendous conflict taking place
behind the scenes and I I Richard would
know more about it than me but I see it
from from the outside looking in I just
see conflict between at least two
factions yeah uh in intelligence about
which direction is this
or is this narrative going to go and and
I'm fascinated well you know that's
right I think it's a natural thing to
ask and and Challenge and you know
because we should get the information if
this is groundbreaking information it
should be out there and you should see
all the information that we requested
well and the things
the other thing don't they have any
better UFO videos
saying you know what he was aware that
there were lots of lots of photographs
taken in color photographs so you've not
seen any no and I mean people go back to
but but they saw 40 Tic Tacs in the air
descend for me
you have these reports of people saying
this stuff but we don't have any
evidence of that I know I can only
operate on the video that's put right in
front of me and my look at that I'm like
yeah Jerome you know well yeah
everything was good here's another
problem within government you have so
many different
agencies
that must come together and cooperate to
give up what they have in the files and
let me give you an example
a few months ago Lou alzando contacted
me and asked me if I would agree to talk
to somebody
within the Department of Defense
inspector General's office I said sure
all right I don't even hide I'll talk to
him so I had a couple conversations the
first conversation I had was a mediocre
I'm just interested in what I did they
they
kept referring to things they had about
me my my cases but nothing specific
a couple weeks later they call me and we
took and and one of the uh people I
won't mentioned his name but he wanted
to ask me questions about two Case Files
and he started talking to me about the
case files and I realized that he's
talking about cases that I did
and I said to him I said so drop this
open to me I said well well that is my
case I did that 1982. I said give me the
case number and I he gave it to me so
yeah yeah I did that case he said when
he started asking me
um around about questions not direct
questions because we're we're on the
phone
and I said well is that still classified
he said it the markings on it is
anybody's asking me encrypted questions
and I said well why don't you just read
the report
those questions are in there
well I can't because it's redacted
I said well what I said you're the
Department of Defense inspector
General's office and you can't get a
clear report from U.S intelligence he
said yeah I can't we can't they send us
stuff over but it's all redundant Lewis
obviously
defense Inspector General and they can't
get a clear report that's an example of
the bureaucracy within the Department of
Defense and within the government yeah
yeah he's surprising isn't that yes yes
so of course obviously they were trying
to get you more information about it
well they wanted me to come basically
come to work for him but I said no I'm
not interested uh I would how long ago
this is just a few weeks ago a few
months ago a month and a half ago we've
kind of been there and done it haven't
you realize yeah yeah yes you know yeah
and I just did I make a lot more money
on the outside
you're not gonna pay me yeah what I'm
making and why would you want to put
yourself back on this well and then of
course I would have to sign it NDA and
nah I would never do that and and and uh
maybe three or four days later they
contacted another person who was within
our group and did the exact same thing
to him because he called me up on Signal
everybody I don't know if everybody has
signals yeah somewhat secure he calls me
and he says you ain't gonna believe what
I just got a phone call I said well did
they call you yeah and they had my
reports too I said would they talk to
you about their report she said I told
them no I'm not going to talk about it I
said you fly me to Washington DC and
I'll do it but I'm not going to talk
about it even though he's trying to do
something then in the background and
well they're getting these cases that
are real about real UFOs I mean these
two cases that he had
were about actual contacts ET contacts
where we had pictures and we had uh
yeah we had evidence right and
so he he wanted to ask me these
questions about this case but I said
it's all in that report well it's
redacted don't you think maybe these are
just guys in in a job you know I mean
you know how things work you know but
Boeing Private Business Boeing was not
one company it was like four or five
companies yeah I remember one time when
I was at Northrop I I had to come in
because I worked for the for one side of
the company I had to come in to support
Engineers over the Christmas break who
weren't working so I'm supporting people
you know because that was how stupid
some of the rules were don't you think
it's maybe just some guy
who's curious who wants to find out
about oh I want to find out about UFOs
so maybe he's some guy who comes across
your game or has access to certain
levels
I mean does it do you think it really
represents does it represent a policy or
an agenda or a a you know it doesn't
seem objective by wanting to oh I'm
gonna pick this guy's brain well that's
a good a good good point that's an
excellent point I mean I know he worked
there but I don't know what you know if
whether he was officially complicated
because you know obviously there was the
other program the main program that was
it was all a tip was a smoker too but
how strong was a tip uh how much work
was required what position did he hold
well here's a problem the 20 million 22
million dollars what that
the actual as as Harry Reid
tells George Knapp it was
20 times that I can imagine okay because
that's interesting because I always had
that question it's like 22 million
dollars that's nothing I mean so I look
at it I'm like oh this is a money
laundering scheme for here yeah right
right I'm gonna I'm on a funnel 22
million dollars to my friend Bob Bigelow
he's going to contribute 236 000 or
whatever the maximum is to my campaign
and then I'm gonna retire and take all
that money and put it in my pocket
that's what I thought it was yeah but
now that you say that there was yeah
he's secretive much bigger budget said
yeah they were he was able to tap it you
know here he never explained fully
and of course you know about the the
safety deposit box and the key and the
death bed I'll tell you that story I
don't know okay but anyways the the
with the 22 million which was officially
appropriated yes by Congress yeah
you have black
projects black confidential monies they
call it so uh the intelligence Community
they uh are allocated a certain amount
of confidential funds which isn't really
tracked it could be 15 billion dollars
is for research and development uh
intelligence operations whatever
within that budget that's where a atip
got more money out of
and and although I don't know exactly
how much but Harry Reid said 20 times we
got 20 times that amount so you you know
do the math on that yeah and um but what
did they achieve what did the atip do
um
yeah it's classified but what do you
think
would you piece malice is Nimitz in the
Roosevelt case give us what whatever you
guys said we don't even know if those I
don't think we even really know that
those videos are related exactly
that's an absolute yeah that's the key
right there we don't even know that
those cases had anything to do with it
no that's right so what were they doing
what was it what was it all fall you
know I mean I'm not seeing anything and
I would assume if they did have it that
uh Elizondo and Co would have made an
effort to actually have their
information put out rather than you know
the the gimbal well you know I think
it's really important for anybody that's
in the subject you know because you know
they're going to start to really be able
to identify there's another problem yeah
that's right yeah the thing is you know
this discussion is really cool well
because so many so few people in the UFO
Community ask these questions and I'm
like am I the only guy because I used to
say it's frustrating because I used to
say you know what it was some of these
Blue Book officers blowing back in time
you look at these from the old cases I
think well you know what some of them I
mean they were great to be honest with
you but some of them at least asked some
questions you know and I think well why
aren't people asking the right questions
it's like uh acceptance just immediate
acceptance of it because everybody wants
FaceTime on CNN yeah
should have brought that up first
actually yeah
um you know I mean I I feel bad for
um Jeremy Corbell in a way because you
know he brought this video out and you
know he's on there talking about and
it's like I can blow away the argument
that's a flying saucerin about you know
like I did I mean I can do that and I I
wish that that people would run these
things by uh I think they're afraid of
being scooped though they're afraid I'll
take it and steal it and go out with it
first but I'm like dude I could have
just told him dude that's something with
a hot engine flying away from the the
ship and going over the horizon that's
all it is
it really is important that
people caught on at when you're during
your presentation was the direction of
the ship nobody realized that so many
people said to me well I didn't even
realize this ship wasn't going in that
direction something so simple yeah yeah
if you think if you just well they just
follow the narrative of what they've
been told right right which is actually
scary because I mean the whole essence
of what we're trying we try to do and
let's call it the UFO Community is is
get to the truth but if if people are so
willing to sort of accept what they're
told that's not what I want I want
people to question me I want because
they're gonna maybe make me dig some you
know or to a place that I didn't think
to go so well it certainly illuminated
that we have another issue yeah at large
and
um no this is not an easy one it's going
to be resolved because many people think
that we're going to get the truth
from the fish from an official Source
from the biggest newspapers from the
best reporters you know that they
obviously can't all be wrong well you
know what they're getting information
from somewhere you know and like I say
when those two and it had to be those
two newspapers that are involved and I
thought to resolve they wouldn't
normally touch the subject ever and all
of a sudden they're going to town on
this it looked like it was been kind of
set up you know it looked like okay
there's some agreement oh it looked like
that to you it's exactly okay there's
some agreement and then I expected
Leslie King to come forward and say oh I
understand that and say yes it's
definitely but she was kind of part and
parcel of that utilizing her to pass the
information forward and I thought well I
actually could draw a box of all the
people is involved in there you know and
it's a tiny little thing it was gaining
too much media coverage to be honest
with at least it's just everywhere he's
blindsided a lot of ufologist you know
and that maybe maybe what we want to do
you know it's just completely blindsided
because the fact is is that when he went
to Congress when we were talking looking
at this information
and when they were two it was turned
around and said he made me giggle
actually that oh well we need some we
need some more information we need to
look into this a bit more to try and
assess what's going on I was like uh
where have you been the last 70 years
you know surely we've got plenty of
information about what is going on
and I thought well you know and of
course eternally came in with a new word
UAP to cover the seen a little bit like
a bit of a boo-boo you know when the
government tries to change the language
I get very exactly the same way with me
same with me you would when UAP came out
and we asked and asked why you AP well
it covers more areas than just UFO why
you know well mostly it was known in the
meteorological industry yeah yeah
that's the good point see because it's
it's been in a meteorological uh uh
terminology for years yeah yeah yeah so
now we've kind of just drifted over this
video so the things the things such as
the discussions on the UFOs the old UFO
reports and things like that you know
they exist these evidence for them
they've got the information but that's
not likely to be shared so is it fooling
Congress it looks like feeling the guys
that are reading the doctors they
requested more information I'm not too
sure why inferior information how they
actually got but I doubt that it
probably would have got some really good
well let me tell you how the the
Congressional hearings went well they
were a flop as everyone knows the two
yeah I saw the videos they showed that
was that was a oh there's a there's one
on YouTube now about this I don't
remember who he is but he he really uh
uh put so much comedy into what these
guys are saying what these two people
were came to to a pentagon spokesman in
the other uh person came
to answer questions and they were
totally baffled by the questions now
there were groups of us we we already
submitted a number of questions my group
and and elizondo's group and so one
there's so many different questions that
everybody got to but listen to what the
response was when they said what about
the Roswell incident and they looked at
each other and said when was this what's
this what was it
and then and some of the other incidents
or crash retrieval uh well what they
were told I mean it was it was a joke
and then the hearing the Senate hearings
were supposed to occurred in September
of course they were
they were postponed until spring uh
they're going to continue well depending
on who uh wins the Senate and the house
but uh we have prepared better questions
and hopefully there's going to be people
and sitting behind in front of those
microphones that know something about
the historical aspect of this subject
matter yeah exactly yeah they will do I
mean of course it also what was
interesting also was a release of that
document of the projects the money
weather projects
Wormhole technology there's some very
interesting
projects listed there and
um I recognized the naming on them
because it fitted so well with some of
my research into the true aspects of UAP
you know and when we're talking about
you know um time latencies and
gravitational fun you know anomalies and
things like that
and I thought okay you know I can take
that on board that they're going to be
looking more into those sort of things
and then NASA came out and announced
that it was completely unusual now the
portals do exist which was part of the
MMS mission that they do screwed that
they they call it what's the name name
now is electron diffusion regions
and uh they sent uh they sent five I
believe them small satellites about the
size of a small Mini Cooper you know
size and they sent them up there
um for a number in about three years you
know looking at these and they
apparently stated officially that
they're sustainable
some of them are large
and they don't know if where they go to
you know if it's you've got to put
something in it right and yeah it comes
back I mean I mean the first thing
they'll do is send one of them through
you know find out now I did hear rumors
that they had done and uh but if you
don't know how truly
yeah this is the biggest problem but it
went very quiet there's no more
information from MMS about these these
um portals are real sort of thing you
know but that may be lent hand to some
of these discoveries because what we're
finding out in the UAP phenomena is that
they are manifesting on a lot of
occasions and demanifesting as if
they're one minute are there then that's
when they're not
um other people are reporting them
um there's a lot of fake stuff on videos
out there but you know there are
incidents where people are having that
but that's not just traditionalistic to
UFO phenomena it's it's mystical it's
ancient in times you know those stories
of things popping in and out of
realities you know and now we've got
Harvard professors going forward and
saying that now we know there's another
reality right next door to us and that's
when they asked by reporters how do they
know that and they said we can tell
about due to a gravitational anomalies
and I thought that was really
interesting so I thought Okay so we've
got all this money that's going into
these other special projects now have
you ever heard of these projects before
do you know anything about these
projects when when I was at uh Area 51
for the two time periods I was there
I I was a counterintelligence officer
for a lot of we're a highly classified
projects one dealing with time travel
um when uh and the other dealing with
um
trying to open shooting high energy
lasers and they
I'm not going to give away any secrets
here but they they they uh come on they
bombard a certain area with particular
types of of gases like argon and things
and then they shoot a laser into it
and this is supposed to open the portals
and they while I was there I I saw a lot
of this this type of activity
I don't know if they were ever
successful I wasn't I didn't everything
was compartmented I was the
counterintelligence officer but I never
got the results I never read the results
I didn't have access to the highly
classified r d report so I don't know if
they were ever successful I saw I saw
these things occurring especially time
travel one of which I thought was quite
extraordinary because they'd built at
Nevada Test Site
a huge magnets the two of the largest
maggots in the world are underground at
the Nevada Test Site
and they were again shooting lasers and
all sorts of things in to that and they
actually opened up
fabric of space at one particular time
but it's only open for a nam a second
and then if you try to push something
through there it's gonna you're talking
and things like that yeah yeah yeah well
I put off and I I've been at CERN and
I've been there twice watching different
things going on there that's
extraordinary what they can do there
I can imagine oh yes I know I know I can
also say that you know there are
time latences in in in residue phenomena
which is left by some forms of
manifestations not just on the uip stuff
but I mean on the Paranormal aspects of
things I mean you know apod stations has
repaired the newspaper from 1936
analyzed by the best guys in the country
in the UK they said yeah it's authentic
it's an authentic newspaper in mint
condition from 1936 that's the best way
we can describe it but it aged roughly
500 days per day
and it it wilted went Brown so quickly
it could work out because he got the
guys in from the newspapers and said
okay and this is kept in a sealed
container you know it's not just out in
the open this is a sealed container
and uh the best guys came in from the
newspapers and said well you know well
the degradation on this newspaper
you know we can say that uh to get it
from mint to this condition under the
period of time you've had it it's aged
500 days per day
uh and then it'll sort of to the point
where it's called a kind of caught up as
if you just found an old paper from 1936
in its got condition and that was
fascinating because they actually did a
full report on that so time association
with some of these things well
according to where they're coming from
whatever they be is has differences you
know which makes it really interesting
so also it's been in the news recently
is because this this one should be
straight on my mind
um Saturn between Saturn's rings unusual
moons yeah they'll see one there which
looks better very unusual well there's
this you know you know there was this
radio Source transmitter Source from the
1970s they used to call it the thing in
the Rings and I think I think actually
my old buddy Richard hogman wrote an
article about it for a news magazine
back in the late but now I've seen
something and now they're seeing
something and you know there's always
been the suspicion that that there's
something artificial there and you know
in the over complexities of the
hyperdimensional model you know Saturn's
very significant it's an inwelling point
a point where if you want to get out of
this solar system through some portal
means that that's a good place that
would be the place you would go
um and that Saturn has some you know
important connection we know it it
connects
um in a lot of Mythology and there's you
know it's probably fundamental reasons
for that in in terms of the physics of
how the large gas giants planets affect
Consciousness and physics and things
like that so
um they call some images look on the
internet now almost some of these um
Moon I know whatever it is whatever they
are yeah it shapes it's round and it's
got this Stone yeah it looks crazy you
know it's just like a mini satin
so the thing is though is that is that
at this point is it is it hours or
theirs I mean you know in the 1960s if
we spotted this we could probably say
it's somebody else's but now we've got
Technologies I think you know that I I
believe we we've demonstrated that
they could easily be our own stuff well
I mean I mean some of these things are
associated to publicly Tech Associated
to ancient old astrology
I mean what about Avila I mean well if
he's too many talks about obviously
that's very strange object that did a
flyby uh out from outside
went round and it seemed to have was it
made a course adjustment to get around
the Sun yeah yeah yeah
um
yeah and it you know came in so fast and
left so fast and appears to be this long
cigar-shaped object which there's just
no really good way that you can think of
to form that
um you know you think of rendezvous with
Rama or something like but it's not much
difference not much of our stretch to
looking at some of the um the very old
on small moons you know a lot to have
something or had something on them yeah
well like
um iapidus yeah is a one of the moons of
Saturn is is bizarre it appears to have
um
angular an angular makeup you know it's
it's like very evenly spaced Horizon
that goes in straight lines like uh Dojo
you know what out there has been busy
it's one time it's a busy place at one
time yeah and you know but who knows how
old
these things are they could have been
there for we can't imagine their length
of times we only measure our time behave
on Earth you know I mean 40 years ago me
working as long as that seems a long
time you know nothing to compare it to
no everything you know it's around us
and so I want to thank you gentlemen I
mean that's you know we are dealing with
some very unusual times at the moment
with the subjects of UAP shall we say
the new name uh we'll have to see that
where that's going you know but you are
you know what you'll be the guys I'll be
chunk I'll be honestly to try and figure
it out because like you say you're good
at identifying because you've been
involved in outside and basically you
just got a nervous for the BS mate I
mean yeah it's like you you and me We
Vibe because you're the same one you've
got to ask questions are you coming to
the subject and you do this it's about
asking questions it's not about standing
back and ignoring it no I come I come to
my increasingly bizarre conclusions
about the nature of uh space and the
aliens in the universe by asking a whole
lot of questions that's how I get there
you know okay I'm finally decided that's
a face on Mars after 150 questions you
know well thanks guys for for coming
along this is uh the big picture and
we've had uh Mike Barra and Richard
doses so do check into them they're
common across the UFO subjects all over
the world
um highly debated topics which very much
so for good reason
um and thank you for joining us
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