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thank you

I often wonder about the nature of

reality about our relationship to the

creative force that forged the particles

of our stars and intertwined them with

the molecules of our bodies

who are we

and where are we actually sitting within

the architecture of our universe are we

alone

or is the answer simply Stranger than we

can think

my name is Jeremy Corbell I seek to

weaponize your curiosity and if you're

ready to suspend your own prejudice

welcome to the world of extraordinary

beliefs

foreign

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stuff is coming out I mean something's

going on right now can you talk about

that

if everything goes as planned I think we

are on the eve of something momentous

changed the on a tectonic level the UFO

subject it's going to be really big I

think it changes the tone of how other

media would treat the UFO topic from

here on out I hope so anyway and it's

going to reveal some things that have

been going on for a long time government

involvement in studying the phenomenon

itself yeah it's beyond just lights in

the sky or radar returns they've been

investigating and looking into

Associated phenomena things that occur

in proximity with what we call UFOs

things that you would think the

government would find too far out well

any of the fingers be pointing toward

Skinwalker Ranch

hopefully this opens it up

and changes everything

Declassified videos the authentic

Department of Defense footage published

by the New York Times in December the

program received more than 20 million

dollars for its work

for nearly the last decade I ran a

sensitive Aerospace threat

identification program

who I think have conflated the concept

of a UFO with whether we're visited by

aliens

program produced documents that describe

sightings of aircraft with no visible

signs of propulsion we're talking about

unidentified flying objects UFOs

we have something here we don't know

what it is we sure don't know how it

works and by the way there's nothing we

can do about it

nobody gives about aliens there yeah

it's it's they're looking for things

that might possibly be

this is a Potential Threat a grave one

to our country what is DoD doing about

it

the so-called Tic-Tac UFO was detected

over several days in 2004 by personnel

with the USS Nimitz battle group off the

coast of San Diego it didn't attack but

it demonstrated vast superiority over

America's most advanced defense systems

these observations match with previous

observations going well before that you

have something coming into our airspace

when it continues to happen there's a

pattern we now become increasingly

concerned because it's not an anomaly

now it's a trend

this video was recorded off the coast of

Florida in 2015. that is in our airspace

and shouldn't be here you DOD

u-c-i-a-u-d-h-s have the responsibility

of protecting us how did this happen and

yet it's crickets nobody wants to have

the conversation my job in the

government at the time and it was

twofold to determine what it was and how

it worked I figured if we can answer at

least those two first things everything

else we'll be able to explain later

the technology of these crap is beyond

anything known on Earth

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this is the story of a place

it's been shrouded in secrecy for more

than 20 years there have been Whispers

but most likely you've never seen or

heard the real events

I guarantee you that was the plan all

along

that's exactly what they wanted

imagine a place between Shadow and

substance

a place where the world is thin

to most a location that invokes the

darkest and most hidden corners of

Terror

something prowls here something lurks

and if you hunt it it's going to hunt

you back

it's elusive

manipulative

and violent

It's haunting more than haunted we don't

really understand it

even after the largest scale scientific

study and history of a paranormal hot

spot

there are more questions than answers

however we do have some answers

and that's what this story is about

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this is a hunt

a hunt for answers to unformed questions

a hunt for the unknown

and the answers have been hiding at a

Ranch at the center of it all

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I was like you

until I wasn't

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foreign

something like the Skinwalker Ranch

you've got to cast a really wide net

because ultimately this mystery we don't

know what the hell it is

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you know there's more to a story and

you're not allowed to talk about it

that's a human burden yeah I mean it was

it was frustrating in the beginning

because column and Bob Bigelow would

tell me these stories about what was

going on the property and I couldn't

tell anyone I couldn't write about it

and it drove me crazy and I kept

pestering them and eventually they

thought what the heck we'll give it a

try maybe we'll find out if there are

other places like it the publicity will

do us some good maybe some other

witnesses that come forward so they

allowed me to write those newspaper

articles and we got a heck of a lot of

attention

foreign

all of this huh

oh my God

after some of this stuff I haven't seen

in a long time

it's overwhelming

this is stuff a material that's specific

to the ranch I saved every scrap of

paper ever since uh Dr Colin Kelleher

and Bob Bigelow sort of brought me into

the loop about what was going on there

I'd been hearing about it for a couple

of years but wasn't allowed to say

anything and then eventually I talked

Bob and Bigelow to give me the

permission to go to the ranch and call

them Kelleher gave me a a tour a couple

of times and people forget you know

they're familiar with the book but they

forget that my interest in it started as

a documentary

one of your first book reviews yeah

like a mustachioed and debonair Fox

Mulder George Knapp wants to believe so

do I actually we got that reaction a lot

you guys didn't convince me convince

your what we weren't trying to convince

anyone we're trying to tell the story

and asking people hey help us figure

this out because we don't know what the

explanation is is there more to tell now

there's a lot more to tell

there's so many things that have

happened on the property since the book

came out that have not been made public

there's all kinds of people hundreds of

people have visited the property and

it's like a Rorschach test they go there

thinking they're going to see Skin

Walkers or Bigfoot and sure enough they

do so you take those accounts with a

grain of salt other times people have

had some pretty dramatic encounters uh

that they keep to themselves and some

accounts have happened to people who are

very credible

who had very dramatic encounters and

their stories have not been told for

reasons that I cannot explain right now

but

um

those are the spookiest of all because

the consequences go beyond the property

you could explain

you won't explain I I can't I can't at

this point

it leads to a much bigger place and a

much bigger understanding of what we're

dealing with out there it's not simply a

haunted Ranch it's not activity that

stays confined to this particular piece

of property it moves it travels and

there were actually vents yeah I mean

you know I don't remember if we talked

about it in the book but the family the

Gorman family had experiences that

followed them after they left the

property it followed them for a while

they're not the only ones that's

happened to since the book came out

there have been other people who've been

on the property

they've seen stuff on the property

they've had encounters where they were

basically told

stop you're not welcome here and then it

followed them

and that's all I can say about it

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it's hard to find anybody in the uh you

went to Basin who doesn't have some kind

of an experience but the UFO or Bigfoot

or some other strange phenomena or

somebody in their family so we recorded

a lot of that stuff on multiple trips

that footage was recorded on different

kinds of formats we collected

information and tapes from some of the

witnesses who had made their own

recordings and all of that material was

saved with the idea of producing a

documentary or a series of documentaries

and then we were asked to not proceed so

I basically canned it put it all in a

box and that most of the footage is

never seen light of day it's a mountain

it takes what's on these tapes these are

interviews we did we had tours of the

property several times Robert Bigelow

comments about the the ranch Calum

mutilations interviews with neighbors

who had lost cattle

trying to get Mr Bigelow to go on camera

and talk about it was difficult at the

time I finally got him to sit down and

open up about it it was the first

interview he'd ever done on the subject

even though I had known him for 20 years

it was really tough to get him to sit

down and talk about it

so most of this video footage in this

box the world has never seen yeah this

is 30 or 40 hours of material that the

public has never seen before

foreign

this topic is deep it requires serious

investigation it requires people to look

at the evidence

my curiosity became so overwhelming that

I could no longer be a passive Observer

but I had to become an active

participant the original story never

seen by the public can now be told and

it's weaved into a tapestry of new

ongoing phenomena and events this is a

moment in time that can't be replicated

this will never happen again the access

to the ranch during the investigations

that will never happen again the time is

right and the time is definitely now

notoriety of Skinwalker Ranch exploded

in 2005 with the publication of the book

hunt for the skinwalker which was

written by George Knapp and Colin

Kelleher that book exploded this area

onto the map George's documentation was

uh exclusive it was happening while

investigators were on the ranch I mean

look there are no images from Skinwalker

Ranch there's no video there's no

footage during these investigations the

only footage of this is in these

archived boxes of George Knapps it was

like Raiders of the Lost Ark man

documents and paperwork and footage it's

everything that George Knapp has

accumulated over 20 something years is

the only journalist ever allowed to be

on the ranch and to document and film so

it's this incredible opportunity the

footage was held back it was embargoed

it was shut off so to be able to pull

tapes from that Archive of those boxes

it's really rare footage it's incredible

that we're at the point where it can be

shown to the public

skin walker Ranch this is like the area

51 of the Paranormal if any of this is

true this is game changing

going public now

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this is officially the second Homestead

down here yes

this is where uh it's a pretty hairy

stuff has happened

just in the area

in the middle of the night in what looks

like the middle of nowhere we slice into

Inky darkness in the company of

investigators who've taken a bouncy ride

down this same rutted road hundreds of

times they remember every barbed wire

gate every curve and dip and they

remember all too well the location of

every bizarre encounter they've

documented since 1996. the dirt Trail is

the only path through the property

seemingly the only way anyone or

anything can get in or out though there

may be other less obvious points of

entry on moonless nights the darkness

hangs like a heavy blanket smothering

beams of artificial light Beyond 20 feet

it's blackness

we stop in What's called the middle

Homestead where the gangly branches of

towering cottonwoods and Gulf Stark

weather beaten structures rustic homes

that have been empty for 50 years or

more seriously it's like the backdrop

for a slasher movie except this wasn't

created by a set designer this is the

throbbing heart of Skinwalker Ranch

what is it about this place not merely

the ranch but the entire Uinta basin

it is a Grand Central Station

a place where everything from cattle

mutilations to Bigfoot to

UFOs flying objects and they all seem to

be congregated on on a 480 acre ranch in

northeastern Utah a lot of people

we understand have seen these things

over the years in this area of hundreds

hundreds of people in my opinion I had

some girlfriends that I kind of ran

around with but

back in 778 and they told me experiences

that that help out by water bottle

Hollow you know

lights that are forms that would be

above them when they were scared at the

ranch as you well know it was not a

single phenomena it was not go out and

watch a UFO go out and watch uh you know

the lights like the Marvel lights or

something

there were a host of things that

happened when and where were quite

unpredictable except if it happened

within a relatively small geographic

area the UFO

manifestation activity here ranges all

over in this country it's the Basin is a

very I don't know what the square

mileage is but it's huge in northeastern

Utah and at to the uen mountains to the

north office the same type of Paranormal

Activity is demonstrated many case

histories up there as well

for as long as humans have lived in this

part of Northeastern Utah they've

reported strange things in the sky in

and around their homes and sometimes

inside their heads a Byzantine

smattering of unusual phenomena a

paranormal stew it's as if some other

reality occasionally bleeds into our

world giving us glimpses of the universe

next door

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on our first visit to the ranch we tried

to get the attention of whatever it is

that lives here sometimes merely the

arrival of Outsiders is enough so we

hiked around made noise Disturbed the

Earth

and at night we built a fire out in the

middle Homestead which has been a focal

point of dramatic and unexplained events

we did everything short of painting a

bullseye on our foreheads and then we

waited on the other side of the fire a

man who spent 27 years as a law

enforcement officer in the Uinta Basin

he asked that we not use his real name

so we'll call him Preston

there is one of the local newspapers did

a well I guess you call like a poll in

this area

I have several people the question that

you believe that there are

in UFOs and do you believe that the U

Innovation is a hot spot for it and uh I

think that it was like four out of five

the answer was yes

and then the majority of them said that

they was undecided I don't know of one

individual that that absolutely said no

I do not believe him that that they even

exist and I'm referring to long time

residents of the Basin that that was

born and raised here in the basement

Preston remembers when the waves of

reports started pouring into local

police I believe it's 1971 when I first

started in law enforcement

there was several reports of UFO

sightings

that was put out to like law enforcement

officers in the field as I recall there

was three to four those reports that I

received where I actually witnessed

what I believed to be

an unidentified foreign object his wife

also had multiple sightings one that

coincided with a mutilated cow on

Preston's property and another in 1995

directly over Skinwalker Ranch Preston

interviewed his own wife in 1998 and

wrote this report for a private research

group the object his wife reported was

shaped like a hexagon aluminum colored

with multiple lights what she described

was four lights like connected to a bar

they were just four large lights that

appeared over the Ridge and I was some

distance away from her when she seen it

and she called it to my attention but

before I could get there they had

disappeared this is probably the most

studied real estate in the in the

history of the UFO phenomenon

there has never been to our knowledge a

place that has had the same kind of

focus in terms of study

the Uintah Basin isn't the middle of

nowhere it's far removed from big cities

but that's how the locals like it the

landscape is Stark and beautiful the

dirt and rocks rich in hydrocarbons and

dinosaur bones but something here seems

to be a magnet for the unknown it's been

that way for a long time

in the Uinta Basin unknown aerial

objects became so commonplace in the 60s

and 70s that locals became used to

seeing them and outside investigators

were drawn to the area one of them Utah

State University scientist Dr Frank

Salisbury wrote a highly regarded book

the Utah UFO display after weeding out

the 90 percent of sightings which were

likely misidentifications of known

objects he focused on 400 or so

well-documented cases involving unknown

structured craft of many shapes and

sizes Salisbury obtained most of the

case files from lifelong resident Joseph

Junior Hicks a local science teacher

who'd educated generations of Uinta

residents Hicks spent years driving the

back roads of the Basin to meet and

interview eyewitnesses many of them his

former students and I says can you see

that look at that that's amazing

and it was around

Gray

metallic looking thing in January 1999

oil company executive Gregory Todd was

driving home from work talking on the

phone to a co-worker headed in the

opposite direction toward the town of

Vernal Todd noticed an object that

looked like this roundish gray metallic

with no wings or tail traveling at a

high rate of speed toward the ground

and I says this is amazing and it was it

came down and it was went behind some

clouds that were just kind of on the

horizon and I said that had to be

humongous

you know and I thought okay explosion

something you know and I never did there

was nothing the next day at work he

spoke to a group of friends and I said

okay guys I'm going to ask you something

did you guys see something weird last

night and they just happened to be

coming down the Blue Bell Road facing

south and they said yeah we saw this

round thing you know and it wasn't any

big deal to them you know yeah we just

saw this round thing in the sky and I

thought well you know what

think about it you know and I said then

I said okay that thing is Big that was

big whatever it was was big because

Bluebell is 20 miles away I was five

miles away from Roosevelt on three

different groups saw it a few places in

the world have had so many sightings

over such a long period of time not just

decades but centuries the earliest

report is from the Journal of Father

Escalante the Spanish missionary who in

1776 led the first European party across

the Basin but Uinta is much more than a

UFO Hot Spot the object seen in the

skies are benign distractions compared

to the bizarre events on the ground in

particular on this strip of green

pasture that's said to be in the path of

the skinwalker they believe that they're

like you talk about the skinwalker is is

extraterrestrial this is something

that's in their culture it has been for

forever

but this story is bigger than just the

ranch this story is an Ever pervasive

River churning and leaching seemingly

paranormal oohs throughout the

surrounding area

it creeps to the edges

if there's an unofficial UFO capital in

Utah it's the northeastern corner

quietly and secretly there's been a

current that runs through this area

throw a rock in any direction in a small

town of the Uinta Basin and you're

likely to hit someone who's seen an

anomalous aerial object

the Basin is a UFO hotbed the locals are

reluctant to talk about it with

Outsiders

but the number of sightings easily

ranges in the thousands

The Unofficial consensus is that more

than half of the people who live in the

Basin have seen them

over the mountains above the towns on

roadways and oil fields anomalous lights

maneuvering orbs and metallic craft

objects things which are not easily

explained

why so many and why here

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Roosevelt Ballard Fort Duchesne you went

to County

for some the phenomenon provides a mecca

for curiosity

but for those that experience it

it's corrosive

like an acid

and it's been here a long time

stories of UFOs poltergeist-like

occurrences and creatures of all kinds

have popped the landscape and residents

throughout Generations

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normal people hard-working people

they're having extraordinary Encounters

of every shape and Shadow

it's just part of life out here

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we purchased the property as a living

laboratory it's been a phenomenal

laboratory I feel humbled we did get a

good education I think we still are the

knits guys use dogs as biosensors the

dogs would be able to sense that

something was near and give them

advanced warning they were unhantly

accurate it tells us to 100 different

incidents we train like hell to deal

with animal mutilations with lights in

the sky animals being moved into

different locations no two incidents

ever repeated themselves training is

meaningless

nothing is repeated and that has

happened consistently it's the only

thing consistent

this is a lot more than a UFO story as

you learn Consciousness plays a

significant role in this topic it's

something that's completely outside of

our normal physics and understanding

this is something that is beyond our

normal means of Calgary it became

obvious that we were along for the ride

if we weren't the ones in control

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did you have an experience on the ranch

my first visit there it had been a down

period Colin Kelleher had told me look

at the activity has sort of gone

underground that's why I was allowed to

go because maybe they figured I could my

own inherent weirdness quotient I could

stir something up or I could at least

tell the world a little bit about the

story so that we could find out if there

are other places like that so I went to

the property and there's a couple of

things that would happen that would

stimulate activity historically they

said arrival of a stranger that was me

if you make a bunch of noise in

particular digging up the Earth

so we did all that we you know I made a

bunch of Noise We built the fire out

there we danced around it and and then

we got an earth mover and dug a bunch of

holes so if there was something to be

disturbed we did our best to disturb it

and then they took me and put me on a

chair in the middle Homestead where some

really bad stuff had happened and they

left me there it was a

pitch black middle of the night middle

of nowhere and a place that where the uh

Monster uh the Predator type monster had

appeared were a giant Dark Cloud had

invaded a physicist mind where several

cattle had been mutilated weren't a ball

of light to a dimensional Wormhole that

appeared I'm right there and they said

see ya and they went a couple hundred

yards away and put a camera on me to see

if something came and got me and I'd

like to tell people that I was

um Brave I'm not afraid of this stuff

but I was I was on edge uh wait and see

what would happen I'm thinking to myself

look okay I'm fine with flying saucers

coming here I'd like to see a ball of

light and orb something like that that'd

be really great but

I don't really want to come face to face

with Predator monster uh the only thing

that came to get me were mosquitoes so I

have had no a novelist experience on the

ranch myself but I've interviewed all

the people all the key players every

single one of them the people who had

been there for years the only people I

haven't interviewed is the Gorman family

themselves the Shermans but but I have

all these transcribed interviews that

nid's folks had done and in all the

material they collected during the

height of the study so I feel like I

know him and I've talked to the

neighbors I've talked to people in town

this stuff is real it's been going on a

long time and everybody who lives there

knows about it so George Knapp

investigative reporter and bait for

Skinwalker Ranch

I was bait

um it's a good story to tell now it

wasn't pleasant at the time uh it wasn't

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two indigenous locals this stretch of

red Sandstone is special because it is

quote in the path of the skinwalker

according to members of the Ute tribe

the first time we heard that phrase the

reaction was what's a skinwalker it's a

touchy subject for many tribes including

the youths whose sprawling Nation covers

1.3 million acres in this country the

Utes were ordered to move here around

the end of the Civil War the U.S army

built and staffed a fort to keep an eye

on them today the Utes coexist with

their neighbors while retaining their

own government police force businesses

and culture this is something that's uh

interculture it has been for just

forever

Preston worked as a tribal police

officer for several years but says few

of his youth friends are willing to talk

about Skin Walkers or you could compare

it to the uh nymph that you hear of

werewolves like an individual that turns

into a animal type being most of them

are very reluctant to talk about in

tribal lore a skinwalker is an evil

presence a sorcerer and shapeshifter who

steals lives and souls even mentioning

the word is considered risky and this

Ridge said to be in the path of the

skinwalker is a borderline of sorts it

overlooks an island of private Ranch

property surrounded by tribal lands the

tribe doesn't prohibit members from

visiting the ranches but strongly warns

against it in part because strange

things seem to be concentrated here

Skinwalker is sort of a blanket

explanation for a range of inexplicable

events there does seem to have been a

change between the 70s and the 90s in

the certainly not the effects of the

phenomena on different people where in

the 70s you didn't get the scary stuff

even in the Uinta Basin and and we're

going mostly on the testimony of Junior

Hicks and if and

probably a couple of dozen other

Witnesses

whereas in the 90s most of the activity

that we have is centered around this

this this Ranch

and that was all kind of very scary

Poltergeist kind of uh stuff that

um

it seems to have changed in character

even though the same silver discs have

been seen Mexican hot type UFOs have

been seen in the in the area

but overlaid on that you've got these

multiple kind of poltergeist psychic

type type stuff biochemist Dr column

Kelleher didn't expect to be sitting in

a dark cow pasture talking about Skin

Walkers and poltergeists when he signed

on with nids the National Institute for

Discovery Science founded in the mid 90s

by Las Vegas billionaire Robert Bigelow

Bigelow's lifelong interest in UFO

research led to nids and to the

ownership of this 480 acre ranch it's a

somewhat Twisted Tale the property had

been vacant for seven years when in 1994

a family bought it it was their dream to

raise high-end cemental cattle here

there's only one entrance a gate that

displayed an eerie sign a single dirt

road leads into the property which is

made up of three Parcels the first

Homestead on the east side is where the

ranch house is located along with a

Corral a second middle Homestead

contains long abandoned buildings the

third Homestead is ringed by tall trees

and underbrushed a river flows on the

south side of the ranch and on the North

the Sandstone Ridge the family of four

had a startling encounter on their very

first weekend there from out of the

brush on the south edge of the property

they saw a huge canine walking toward

them and they had put a couple of carbs

in this Corral here

um

and this one here and they saw this this

wolf had was just trotting across the uh

the field here

from this direction

and it stopped occasionally it was there

was a light rain it was it was a misty

kind of a day with with light rain and

so they were watching this wolf as it

was coming towards them

um and seemingly kind of unconcerned the

family assumed the wolf must be

someone's pet it was huge but seemed

tame one of the calves made the mistake

of sticking its snout through the bars

of the Corral the wolf stuck his head in

into the Corral grabbed the the muzzle

of the of the calf in full view of these

to try to drag it out of of the Corral

the calf you know was going wild so

Terry and his dad went over with you

know Stout sticks and started beating on

the on the wolf to try to let get it

make sure that it let go the uh the calf

several times they beat on the on the on

the wolf without any effect whatsoever

so Terry asked his son to go in to get a

357 Magnum

the sun came out and the the wolf was

still dragging trying to drag the the

car through the Corral

and Terry sort of uh pointed the Magnum

at the animal and shot it now as far as

I remember he shot at either three or

four times and it was like from

increasingly close range first of all it

was from from several feet and then it

was closer and closer on the fourth shot

the animal I believe let the uh let the

the calf go but the the animal was

didn't the the wolf didn't let out any

Yelps of pain

that there was no sign of blood there

was there was no sign of of distress the

other the animal let the calf go and

looked at Terry the Rancher's son had

run to the house to retrieve a hunting

rifle he handed it to his father Terry

gets the 30-06 which you know can bring

bring down an elk you know from uh from

a relatively long distance shot it at

you know a distance of 20 feet and this

time there was a big recoil from the

animal you know the animal kind of uh

recalled but still didn't give out any

pain or anything like that

but kind of backed off for maybe 10 feet

15 feet and Terry shot at it it was

actually a sixth time with the 30 odd

six and this time he saw a bunch of

Flesh that the bullet exited from the

animal with with flesh and this time the

animal just kind of turned on its on its

heel and just trotted off

you know almost casually and exactly

where it would come from across in that

direction

now

um you know the piece of Flesh was lying

on the ground and they they examined it

later the Father and Son both armed with

rifles went after the wolf catching

glimpses as it moved through thickets

and following the Deep tracks it left in

the wet ground well what they did was

they tracked the animal all the way

across to the creek there's a creek

about half a mile to three-quarters of a

mile in that direction they tracked the

animal you know they went after the

animal and they found that its tracks

just stopped suddenly in a muddy bank

right by the creek it just just seemed

to

the tracks went nowhere you know they

were they were going to a specific area

they should not have vanished but they

vanished but they came back then and

they they found the uh the piece of uh

of tissue from the the animal that had

been blown off by the 30 odd six

and to them it looked old it looked

um almost like it beat the beginnings of

Decay decayed flesh

it blew them this this incident blew

them away because even a single shot

from a 357 Magnum should have brought

that wolf down now

um should remember that this wolf

initially was very friendly to them it

actually walked right up to the dad and

the dad patted it on its head I mean so

we're not talking about some kind of

Mirage we're not talking about some kind

of of hallucination this was a physical

animal he patted him he smelt like wet

dog think about I mean where do you how

do you you characterize that there

really is no context even to put that in

because it was it was a physical animal

that was

um that looked like it was flesh and

blood they chalked it up as being

totally bizarre they talked about it for

weeks afterwards because this was really

the first incident that they had

encountered just after moving on the on

the ranch they as I said they were just

moving into their the general area they

were I think they were putting furniture

into the house and

um this animal was between two and three

times the size of a normal wolf you know

normal wolf would would kind of come up

to there well this thing was like this

thing was huge later at the Gate

entrance the Rancher's wife had another

encounter with a huge wolf as she

entered the property the wolf was in the

company of two black dogs with oversized

heads months later when the family was

asked to describe the wolf by looking at

a lineup of different types they pointed

to this Beast as the one closest to what

they'd seen it's a Dire Wolf and has

been extinct for ten thousand years

we live in the middle of some other kind

of intelligence

the secrecy begins with them whoever

they are these visitors these entities

that interject themselves into our Lives

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who they are why they're here what their

interest is in us long term we don't

know the answers we can surmise but we

don't know the answer is to any of the

big stuff but we can say I can say with

certainty that there is some kind of

intelligence operating here that it

shows us glimpses of itself from time to

time on its own agenda but it is the

architect of the secrecy I believe that

there are aspects of Consciousness that

are associated with the UFO phenomena

that we have not addressed fully the

global public is not ready to have

Global confirmations a lot of disturbing

things will occur it's just too powerful

people have ignored these facts they

like it to go away it's not going away

it's not going away because the

phenomenon itself doesn't go away it's

been with humans every continent every

culture throughout human history it's

here whether we like it or not and it's

here today

according to tribal lore some of the

unusual events in and around the ranch

are believed to be the handiwork of a

shape-shifting entity known as a

skinwalker the youths also believe that

lights seen on the property could be the

spirits of long-departed ancestors that

enter this world from under the ground

but tribal members also see the same

metallic UFOs witnessed elsewhere in the

Basin these objects appear to be

technological not spiritual

and a few of the encounters occur right

in front of their faces

morning when I noticed when I did my

rounds I usually go out the front door

where I came then go back all the way

around the building that's when this

voice appeared to my head and said hey

get back inside you should have seen

this shouldn't be out here you shouldn't

be seeing this go back inside you're

going to miss your family

the hull of the ship was like this I

don't know if you've ever seen like the

the Star Trek Enterprise ship that you

know how the round shape of that it was

like that but like a black dark gray

and were you standing right here

um no actually I was

standing right here and we're looking

out this door here we didn't see the

ship per se right there but we saw the

lights and we're like okay you know what

the hell's going on so we walked out

here me and the female client looking up

here and seeing this object and we're

like What then we noticed that it

started kind of moving back a little bit

I say we probably got about

close to right here just looking at it

and you can see it just like right there

like

and the cloud and everything and the

light and it was so intense and just

like going like this like looking and

then I was talking to her and I was

pointing out hey that's a UFO that's a

[ __ ] UFO and I remember swearing at

the time too and we're standing there

looking and I was looking like this and

you know something just going through my

head saying hey you shouldn't be out

here you shouldn't be seeing this you

know and I was like oh shoot you know

and I was like hey let's go back inside

so we started going back in and we're

looking still that's why I said I wish

people could have been awake at the time

during that Sunday morning to see what I

saw and I have people that Seena all the

way up towards right rocks all the way

down towards fourth Corner randallette

that we're up at that time and those

that were here you know had that

feeling like everything was dead silent

it was just an eerie quiet silence no

dogs were borking no noise or anything

like that

and people at the store during the time

when the blackout they opened the doors

just to see and they could see the

colors

they get back inside you shouldn't be

seeing this go back inside me miss your

family

I kind of stopped in my tracks and

I was like well you know thinking in my

head no [ __ ] this yeah I'm gonna go back

inside I gonna get abducted and so

you're standing there where did it leave

when you went back in was it still here

when you went back in um yep was slowly

moving back that way just making its way

towards the South and then I got back in

and then right and we got inside that's

when um the female house manager said

hey look and that's when it was right

outside like this just like this looked

outside through the window and just this

flash that's it lights out just like a

light switch just lights off it gives me

the chills and I just don't it's just

stuck in my head

I mean it wasn't a very big ship

but it was big enough I guess you could

say it was pretty close though

well it was too close for comfort

the incident with the bulletproof wolf

was only the beginning for the ranch

family during their mind-numbing 20

months on the property the ranch morphed

from a seemingly idyllic setting into a

mental and emotional torture chamber why

the Rancher wondered did the previous

owner insist on being notified before

any digging was done on the land soon

enough he understood at different times

of the day and night the family felt the

ground shake and heard the sound of

metal on metal coming from below as if a

steel mill or railroad operated under

their feet

and there was clear evidence from what

they felt was that there was some kind

of a lot of Machinery noises of

Machinery noises of technology that

seemed to come from either underground

or deep in the ridge just to the north

of here

um they also found that any time there

was a disturbance for example sometimes

they Dynamite at tree stumps from the

ground they they noticed that there was

a big increase in their in the activity

immediately following dynamiting these

stumps in other words large holes in the

ground

they couldn't figure out why

on some nights large sections of the

pasture would light up illuminated by an

unknown source in the sky other times

the family witnessed beams of light

shoot out of the ground Vehicles would

stall batteries would die while crossing

particular points on the property

equipment would vanish Into Thin Air on

a few nights family members heard

mocking voices speaking an unknown

language seemingly emanating from the

sky a few feet above their heads so many

of the events on the ranch were palpable

but fleeting it meant The credibility of

the Rancher and other Witnesses would

eventually be evaluated he was an expert

Marksman tracker Hunter

Horseman cattle cattle breeder and he

didn't really touch farming but he had a

college education and degrees and

certifications that I believe attested

to the fact that he had a lot of Highly

technical train training in animal

husbandry and in this case so he was in

other words he was signed scientifically

astute to some extent Eric Davis is a

PhD physicist who would later spend four

years on the ranch as part of a

wide-ranging investigation looking not

only at the property and events that

occurred but also conducting extensive

background checks into the family their

history their neighbors he is not the

only witness to I mean this has been

going on not only the the Indians had

been seeing it but a lot of people right

it wasn't just him it was his wife his

two children his neighbors

the whole unit in Valley has a 50-year

history

of phenomena that the Mormon community

and all the other non-mormon members of

the community have been experiencing

since the 1950s this includes County

board supervisor members judges the

sheriffs of the various County Sheriff

departments

tell me about the Rancher and you came

up here you got to know him you had

beers and barbecues and excellent

excellent at first you thought maybe

this guy is is off his rocker

well because due to the fact that that

480 acre parcel of

paranormal Disneyland down there had so

much phenomena experienced by him and

his family

uh you know different aspects of it from

the mutilations to the

opening up in the sky the holes in the

sky to the different craft to the polar

guys to the different entities

including UFOs on the ground

and voices in the air and so on and so

on and so on I thought this is uh

there's just too much of an expression

here I I I I had some doubts there upon

visiting with him the first time Ryan

Leighton has chased you into UFO story

since the 80s he introduced himself to

the Rancher whose real name has been

reported elsewhere we'll call him Tom

Gorman what did you come to believe

about his truthfulness his character I

believe he is being extremely truthful

and I think as a character

is outstanding I could see that he was

indeed affected emotionally

as you know he's in a and also angered

because of it it wasn't a one this

wasn't a joyful thing for him as you

know Leighton visited Gorman on the

ranch four times and was told about many

but not all of the bizarre things that

were still unfolding one incident was

distinctly physical it happened in the

third Homestead someone dug large divots

into the pasture a photo was included in

the 1996 newspaper story The Scoop marks

were just an oddity in the pasture there

some of them were three to four feet in

diameter

and they were scooped dozens of them in

there and uh

not a natural type of occurrence during

one of our visits Colin Kelleher showed

us where it happened each of the Scoops

would have weighed hundreds of pounds

meaning some kind of heavy equipment

would have been needed but how did it

occur without the Rancher noticing the

Rancher came out

um

one morning and was checking down in

this area with his cattle he noticed

this scoop Mark here another one just

down here on a third one further down

here well they'd have to take down a

series of gates for one and I don't

think so and I I don't what does the

weapon be the reasoning for taking such

a large massive soil sampling out of

that particular section of the I mean

what is the big game by scooping out

dozens of odd scoop marks in the pasture

that incident came in the middle of a

wild period for the family from the

first day they moved on to the ranch

they felt like they were being watched

at night they would hear the sounds of

heavy footsteps outside their windows

and would see the outlines of black

faceless figures peering in eventually

the footsteps and the figures entered

the house there were dozens of

unexplained events locked doors would

open and slam shut objects would vanish

then reappear somewhere else the Utes

might describe tribe all this as the

work of a trickster we would more likely

call it a poltergeist eventually the

family would help investigators compile

this list of incidents they remembered

three young men including the Rancher's

son spent four hours moving a pile of

heavy Corral poles to a spot near the

canal later in the day the entire pile

had been moved back to its original spot

but just an inch off in another instance

a ton of cord wood stacked on one side

of a field somehow appeared on the other

side of the field in the space of about

30 minutes tools pliers gloves even a

chainsaw banished while being used the

chainsaw reappeared a hundred yards away

a post hole digger vanished from a field

during the Rancher's brief lunch break

after he bought a new Digger the next

day the first one reappeared delicately

balanced up in a tree the Rancher placed

a new flea collar on his dog's neck it

disappeared within a day 24 hours later

it was back on the dog kitchen utensils

would go missing while the Rancher's

wife was cooking meals and would later

turn up in the fridge or freezer or

microwave the wife would lock the

bathroom door when she took a shower

when she got out of the shower her towel

and hair brush were gone though the door

was still locked weeks worth of

groceries would be unpacked and put away

in cupboards minutes later the groceries

were back in the shopping bags Ryan

Layton was present on the ranch while

some of the incidents were still

happening did Terry ever describe to you

seeing the beings and things of that

sort or any of the the Poltergeist

trickery kind of things that would

happen yes he did describe some of the

trickery too what did he tell you about

you know oh the particularly his uh

fence post is a

post hole digger post hole digger yes

uh-huh where he looked uh long and far

became extremely frustrated looked for

it and there it was uh approximately 30

40 feet up a tree a couple of days later

things in the house things in the house

would move around also I do remember the

story about which stands out in my mind

when you mention the Poltergeist

activity of his son

or I mean I should say the high

strangeness of these type of objects uh

his son had cut with some friends some

core a quart or two of wood and then

placed at some distance maybe 100 yards

away from the location and it had been

moved he came in to get a drink of water

and it was moved

the whole Corner yeah the whole Court of

wood within you know just a few moments

uh I believe it was about a about a

hundred yard distance or something to

that nature

Junior Hicks the science teacher who

investigated UFO cases said these

trickster incidents were common among

other Witnesses who had encountered UFOs

but it often took a long time for them

to open up about their unusual

experiences

the family needed help and help was on

its way

Bob biglow is one of the most enigmatic

individuals that you ever hear about

the guy's got two private orbiting space

stations for study he's an individual

connected through government contracts

Skinwalker Ranch he's allowed you to be

there a number of times he's really let

you in

my bagel is probably the most

misunderstood person in the entire field

of ufology he's not a ufologist he's a

wealthy businessman who happens to have

an interest in the topic he has spent

more money trying to pursue UFO truth

than any person in the history of the

world

what is Bigelow's end game what is his

curiosity what is his interest why is he

doing this

the interest is personal it comes from

family experiences it's what got him

hungry about the topic to begin with

people have this craziest ideas about

Bob Bigelow I've seen the descriptions

of him he's shadowy he's a drug business

he's in uh he's in the tea business he's

a gun Runner he's a casino owner crazy

stuff

uh he's only interested in this so he

can capture the technology and build his

own spacecraft and and take the elite

off this planet all he's done is give

his resources to trying to find out

what's going on you know for example he

gave a million dollars to the UFO

organizations told him here's a million

dollars

you don't have any resources you're

always bitching about not having any

money here's a million bucks you just

got to figure out a way to get along and

divvy it up and make sure it goes to

actual research of course they [ __ ] it

up they [ __ ] it up because they

couldn't get along

he said I want to establish a training

program where we have a strike force

kind of a rapid response team so when

you've got a UFO flap you've got a big

case you can you've got the money to

jump on a plane send to people there

have boots on the ground investigate it

and they and of course he was pilloried

for it he created Knits National

Institute for Discovery Science he was

so disgusted by mufon by the UFO

organizations and their lack of progress

he created his own UF organization

there's never been a gathering of great

minds as great as these in one pursuit

of UFO truth in a history of the world

this board that he put together the the

makeup of this board some of them their

names still are not public they don't

want it to hurt their careers but man

that's an amazing group of people and

I've been there and they don't come in

with an agenda they weren't there to

create their own Flying Saucer Fleet the

idea was they devote their time their

own time to pursuing UFO truth because

they thought there's something important

going on here it's worth spending our

time

to pursue this and uh they gave a lot

volunteered a lot and no one gave more

than Bigelow and no one has been beaten

up more than Bigelow because of it it's

ridiculous

is there something that is shaken

Bigelow or shaken you about the ranch

Bob's interest in the ranch was

primarily an interest in UFOs he he

bought the place because people had been

seeing UFOs

uh you know the flying saucers

traditional UFO stuff that was his

interest but of course as he learned as

he and his team learned there's a lot

more to it than that they had no idea

what they were getting I think when they

when they bought the place they heard

bits and pieces here and there they

interviewed the family and heard these

stories but I don't think they they

could possibly imagine how far it would

go have there been experiences there

that have shaken the people involved

absolutely and I think Bob Bigelow would

be included in that um I I can't tell

you I I can't tell you what it is but I

can tell you he's had

he's had uh some dramatic uh episodes

that have convinced him that something

is real you know there and his team have

had those episodes I mean these are PhD

level guys

who have worked for every three-letter

agency you can imagine who are there

because they want to know what's going

on they've worked for the Pentagon and

CIA and other agencies and in scientific

think tanks bright PhD level people who

are there investigating this mystery and

it has scared the [ __ ] out of them I

mean it's confronted them directly it's

one thing to be reading about UFOs or

other realities or interdimensionals in

a book it's another thing to be staring

at it right in the face and for it to be

communicating with you and telling you

get out you're not welcome and that's

happened there

in 1978 a local newspaper reported High

activity in the Uinta basin silver

dome-shaped objects were seen flying

saucers some witnesses observing the

display from close proximity from

underneath the craft

UFOs were buzzing the locals with Jagged

green lights like fire

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nothing really changes it's constant the

phenomenon is engaging people it's a

pattern of Close Encounters

it's commonplace

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people hunt the cause scientists

investigate the Carnage the nids team

tried to quantify the performances

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they created control studies for plant

growth they monitored the environment

they calculated the variables

they analyzed every event but mostly

they waited for the phenomenon to

express itself and the phenomenon seemed

to toy with them to play games with them

silence followed by dramatic displays of

control it did what it wanted

it does what it wants

to anybody

what's your name oh my name is Janice

and where do you live in relation to

Skinwalker Ranch I just live west of

Skinwalker Ranch what was that exact

moment when you transitioned from being

skeptical a non-believer to being a

Believer yeah describe the incident so

the four heifers were in the North Field

and I could hear them Valerie

but we couldn't figure out where they

were my bright ideas well let's get the

spotlight at night time get let's get

that Spotlight and we'll go through the

tree line like this

you have to see eyes then that'll give

us a general idea where they're at at

night so we can set up panels and run

them back over to the house

so we're going the rebellions we're

going but I couldn't see nothing so I

turned it on I said Okay let's listen

and when I went let's listen that's when

that light came it came clear from the

sky I mean it hit like this

and it lit up the whole truck and it

physically hit you but like yeah that

literally came down in and lit up

everything I was like wait a minute

and I turned back I said that's not

possible that is not possible

and that's when I started like

something's here and it's real

and I just got an eye-opener because I

was a non-believer before that so that

was the experience that changed it for

you where you realized

yes

I'm sorry

I just couldn't grow up for a minute

give me I think

because my neighbor

um Charlie Wynn

foreign

big Mothership or whatever you want to

call it or I don't know

he'd stop by every day on his way home

from work his face was so

red

I couldn't believe it

when I looked up he said that light hit

me he said it scared the [ __ ] out of me

so bad he said I was crawling in the the

ditch to get that water too

cool him off he got cancer and I killed

him and and I always think I wonder if

it was from that because I mean you

could

it was like you know how somebody has

like a real bad burn and it's just so

red and deep

this is something that is really

important for this whole story this

phenomenon so can you just tell me what

that wave of emotion was

my son was diagnosed just last year and

it's hard to deal with it because that's

your baby you know

when it first started out it was like I

was hitting brickles

and I'm like Lord you know I'm not the

perfect person but

why

do you fear that the phenomenon has

something to do with these illnesses

like with your son and your friends it

kind of makes me believe because like I

said my son was strong as a bull so

there is a element of fear for the ones

you love yeah that there is a

malevolence to it you know and evil that

seems to be attacking the health of

those you love yeah

that that is something you believe to be

true yes so all the people

have been exposed to some kind of yeah

experience what question is it that you

would like to answer what answer are you

looking to find is it really real or is

it something that the government's doing

is it really

like an entity or

beans or what

is it real or is it government made up

what do you think

I think that's real

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a beast prowls the darkness outside of

Skinwalker Ranch it's Lucy the Wonder

Dog she made the long drive with us to

the Uinta Basin in part because Lucy can

see and hear things that we can't the

same reasons the nids team relied on

dogs during the long study of the ranch

dogs were considered to be friends as

well as biosensors able to detect

unusual activity beyond the range of

human senses soon after Robert Bigelow

purchased the property the nids team

built observation towers in three

pastures with sturdy metal fences around

each tower on many nights dogs were

stationed inside the fences the

construction of those dog runs on the on

the

the viewing platforms also was kind of

like a communication thing the idea was

to put dogs at the dog runs who who are

extremely good biosensors they would

alert the humans but at the same time

during the construction of these dog

runs there was a whole bunch of

anomalies happened at these dog runs an

unknown trickster kept opening the gates

and letting the dogs loose perplexed nid

secured the gates with thick wire the

wire vanished then they installed strong

padlocks the padlocks disappeared Gates

were left open

the the locks were gone there was there

was a whole there was like eight I think

seven or eight separate incidents that

happened at Several of these dog runs

just after construction and if you

wanted to read a message into that you

could say the same sort of thing that

you know these these measures are

essentially useless they can be

interfered with they can be compromised

they can be screwed with and there's

nothing you can do about it killer her

and the nid's team were initially

optimistic after Robert Bigelow bought

the so-called UFO Ranch the team brought

in its own double-wide Command Center

installed surveillance cameras and other

sensors and tried to find prosaic

explanations for the wild stories they

surveyed the Basin for geomagnetic

anomalies searched the property for

hallucinogenic plants interviewed the

family their neighbors and a wide circle

of other eyewitnesses there's a lot of

people interested in this stuff and you

get a lot of calls the scientists on the

team were not there to confirm local

myths nids was designed to be a high

risk High payoff Institute

a lot of high risk for the topic we were

after that ranch I think was the epitome

of what we were after like I said it was

a living Laboratory

that we could set up and control the

conditions we can rigorously monitor the

environment we can rigorously attempt to

monitor the phenomena as it moved within

that environment out there at that ranch

physicist Dr Eric Davis who has worked

for military think tanks and prominent

Labs was skeptical about UFO tales and

spooky stories until he made his first

visit to the ranch that's when he and

others witnessed an orange globe that

turned blue then landed up and it'd be a

clear orange ball and then a Mist would

appear and be blue again and so forth

and it alternate alternated this way

until finally descended below the

background mountains and it descended in

now what I mean below I mean the

mountaintops it didn't descend behind

the mountains it descended in front of

the mountains that sighting occurred

before nids installed its camera system

but even with cameras positioned around

the property the phenomena proved

elusive we had cameras that were

recording data on a continuous basis

frequently things would happen just off

the camera like it knew where you're

looking says okay we'll do this where

you're not looking the cameras did catch

perplexing images over the years darting

orbs that seemed under intelligent

control a fan-shaped array of Lights

recorded more than once near the bottom

of the ridge something resembling an

aircraft contrail that emanated from the

ground and this the ghostly silhouettes

of structures that reminded the team of

New York's Twin Towers the images are

evidence but of what by 1998 the mids

team already had 78 incidents from the

vicinity of the ranch including 11 nuts

and bolts structured craft reports as

well as a few dozen orbs of different

colors and another that sliced the tops

off several trees in the third Homestead

the ranchers showed the damage to Ryan

Leighton and joked it must have been a

case of pilot era the top part of the

trees were kind of almost squared out

almost like in a square the very and

those are probably

well maybe 80 to 100 feet tall

cottonwood trees and the the branches

were probably say 40 to 50 60 feet

some of the branches very lengthy and

they're they were on the ground and they

broke it off that same section of the

property is where the ranchers saw his

first UFO he initially thought it might

be a wayward Winnebago that somehow got

onto his property it was shaped like a

refrigerator like box shaped with a

light on one one end of it when he first

saw it in the distance he was with his

nephew and

it was

it was dark but he saw the light and he

presumed that there were hunters or

there were somebody trespassing on his

property so he and his uh and his nephew

started walking towards it

it started moving slowly away from where

they were walking and this all happened

further further uh east of here but the

thing started clearing a fence and

that's when they they began to think

something unusual was happening and they

couldn't actually see the shape of it

until they kept on pursuing it and then

it went over a tree line so an RV that

goes over a tree yeah it actually went

over the tree line and as it was

silhouetted against the sky they saw the

shape of it it was like a like a

refrigerator flying refrigerator

and it was completely silent Ground Zero

for odd sightings was always the middle

Homestead at nights lights and orbs

could be seen floating through the

creaky old buildings it's also where the

Rancher had multiple sightings of the

most puzzling object and orange glowing

Hole in the Sky Gorman told Kelleher and

others the orange ball seemed to be a

portal and on the other side was a quote

different sky on at least one occasion

the Rancher saw a smaller object fly out

of the orange orb into the sky over his

property the Exotic possibility that the

ranch might be a portal to another world

has occurred many times to the nid's

team but how to prove it in August 1996

the portal Theory erupted again in a

stark demonstration the Rancher and an

investigator were conducting a night

surveillance Atop The Ridges they

spotted a hovering ball of light in the

middle Homestead an object that was seen

four feet off the ground

that it looked like a a dull yellow

light I mean it was innocuous hovering

over the road it just appeared out of

nowhere and then it begins to expand and

grow and then it opens up into about

approximately three foot wide openings

that turned on the night vision

equipment they had and lo and behold

everything from a dull yellow light

became like a three-dimensional it

looked like a three-dimensional tunnel

that was just you know hovering over the

ground where there's a light shining

from coming out from within this opening

on the other side of the opening this is

the natural background of the ranch they

see the road they see the grass from the

pasture and so forth slowly this

incident unfolded where they saw this

what looked like a humanoid creature

crawling literally elbowing his or her

way through this this tunnel hovering

four feet above the ground and out of

this opening crawls a very large what I

understood to be an eight foot tall

black creature with the head and no neck

and a torso arms and legs no details or

features noted on it it was a second

witness standing right beside the other

guy with the the infrared technology all

he could see was a a dull yellow light

that had expanded to about four feet in

diameter it just literally grabbed the

outside edges of this opening pulled

itself through came out stepped onto the

dirt road and ran off into the darkness

the creature stood up

once it got out onto the ground and

walked away into the darkness I mean can

you imagine two people on the top of a

cliff or a sort of a a bluff 150 feet

off the ground in the middle of nowhere

and then the opening began to shrink and

collapse in on itself and turned into a

brilliant light that just faded away

that's a perfect description that was

given by Matt Visser and John Kramer and

Bob forward and other colleagues of

theirs in a physical review paper on the

optical nature of wormholes I mean that

is not I would say military technology

that's some kind of a phenomena that has

its Max of interdimensional phenomena

foreign

tribal Elders believe this Ridge is a

path used by the skinwalker as it moves

from one place to another

the question becomes where does it live

the answer according to the tribe is

Dark Canyon

a place steeped in Legend and

Superstition dominated by Tall Pines and

Spirits from other realities

with the help of our Uinta friends we

obtained something rarely given

permission from the tribe to bring our

cameras Into the Heart of Dark Canyon

we soon found that the name fits

while there we heard encounter Tales

From a young woman named Shelby

it was reflective and the reflection of

the light was what caught my eye as we

were watching the hikers come up and

over the mountain up in the corner like

in the crook of the mountain there was a

saucer that had come up then over and

down and back down and I tried pointing

it out to her she was too late but

that's awesome yeah

it was pretty significant in size

plastic plank saucer

I don't think there's anyone else in my

family who's willing to admit what's

what goes on is this the kind of thing

that runs in the family

for me and my mother it does

I think it's because you and your mother

are open to this I don't necessarily

think we're open to it I think that it

comes to us is this your first time

talking about it publicly yeah are you

worried about the reaction I am just

because of my profession

I I worry that it's gonna follow me and

you work in public education so I guess

you have to worry what will my employer

think about it yeah have you ever told

your anybody you work with that you've

had experiences that we'll discuss I

have

everybody has their their story

a lot of the times with my experiences

I've

I put them on a shelf and I don't like

to think about them or revisit them

because they've

impacted or I try not to let them impact

so disassociated with it that I don't I

don't think about it

I think that's something that I'm gonna

impress you have a missing time

experience I do can you share that I

woke up around one o'clock and I

remember

that I sat up I remember being aware of

what I was doing but not having control

over what I was doing

and I got out of bed

and I walked into their living room

dining area

and I looked to their

um to their

their window that was that oversaw their

dining room table and I remember seeing

two bright spotlights and next thing I

remember is I was facing the opposite

direction more towards their stove

looking at the clock and

at that time it was eight o'clock and I

went back to bed and so five or six

hours had passed yeah and you're

standing looking at a stove yep and you

don't know how you guys I don't know how

I got there tell us a little bit about

the nature of the light how bright

I remember it Illuminating the entire

area

how bright what was the nature of your

life undescribable it was a describe his

day it was brighter it was

I I can't even describe to you like no

LED no flashlight nothing can compare

to the to the brightness of those lights

into the whiteness

of the lights

brighter than the sun it's like nothing

we've seen before these experiences have

they changed you

I think so

is it about this area the basin is it

the tribe is it the the people that live

here that attracts all this different

stuff or is it everywhere I don't know I

have no clue some people call them they

refer to them as hitchhikers that these

things follow you around from my own

experiences if you invite something it

will come and it'll become attached to

you and it'll stay attached until you

tell it to leave foreign

the unfortunate thing is this weird

phenomena is not amenable to Laboratory

Testing where we can control the

conditions we thought we could we

attempted to we tried as much as we

could within the boundaries of our

budget to control conditions and it

turned out the phenomena controlled us

and controlled itself it basically did

everything it could to avoid us

absolutely it did not want to engage and

interact us that much after the first

year and a half

that we were there working on that

property that phenomena I am sure was

cognizant of our presence there and

basically did not want to allow us to

detect it put record it and film it in

any form or fashion like all of the

investigators who tried to crack the

mysteries of the ranch physicist Dr Eric

Davis became frustrated by The elusive

nature of the target Dr John Alexander

the former Army intelligence officer

coined the term pre-cognitive sentient

intelligence to describe the entity on

the ranch precognitive because it could

anticipate what came next one of the

things that happened

in Utah at the ranch it was very

perplexing was it seemed like whatever

was presenting the phenomena to us knew

what we were going to do and what was

going to be a response and would do

something different

the family that lived on the property

felt from the beginning that it was

being watched that something was pulling

strings playing tricks of all the

strange incidents that were reported on

the ranch one in particular stands alone

there's a trickster element to it yeah

there's a trickster element to it and I

think the the the biggest one that

really would blow most people's minds

scientists or anybody trying to analyze

this of course as the account of the

Bulls in the trailer there were four to

two thousand pound Bulls in this uh in

this

little Corral here

1999. earlier in the day the Rancher had

come across strange tracks in the dense

brush on the edge of the middle

Homestead tracks unlike anything he'd

ever seen the family was on edge because

by that point they'd lost a dozen or

more head of expensive cattle they

couldn't afford to lose anymore about

two o'clock in the afternoon the Rancher

and his wife were driving past

on their way down to the West End of the

property to check on on their other

animals so these were their four best

thoroughbred

registered Black Angus and cemental

Bulls they were like very valuable

animals thousands of dollars each and

you know Terry and Gwen are the Rancher

and his wife

as they were driving past remarked on

how devastating it would be

to them financially if they lost those

animals it was as if someone overheard

their concerns when they returned to the

Corral an hour later and they were

driving past the Corral here on this

track when they realized no bulls the

bulls were gone from the Corral

so they panicked you know they they ran

over here

searching and the entire Chorale was

empty and then just out of out of kind

of instinct the Rancher climbed over

into the Corral into this Corral here

and walked over to this trailer trailer

was used to store tools and other

equipment there was only one way into it

and the only latch was still secured by

heavy wire just as the Rancher had left

it the door was still locked this this

latch was actually

pulled way down here

it was obvious it had never been opened

it was pulled down here

this was locked

um

this doorway here was open

and um he looked in and all four animals

were standing there like totally dazed

and

to work with even a single Bull getting

him into an enclosed space like this

would be almost impossible to get four 2

000 pound Bulls into a tiny tiny

enclosed space where they were squashed

up against each other would be

completely impossible but anyway Terry

yelled or the Rancher yelled to his wife

that he had found the animals on his

yell just seemed to wake them up out of

this catatonic trance or days they were

in and suddenly they just went ape when

they realized they were in this crammed

space they went crazy they started

kicking down the sides of this thing and

they kicked one of the doors there's a

aborted door at the other end there they

kicked the door open and they and they

just went absolutely wild they destroyed

the inside of this trailer in like

minutes

eventually it took the Rancher and his

wife about four hours to hurt the

animals back back through here and in

here and

in the space of an hour

um something had induced or forced or

persuaded those four extremely

aggressive animals

to cram themselves into this trailer

without opening this door this door was

not opened

because we actually checked that to see

there was cobwebs and all of that on the

on the inside of the door and it was

quite obvious from this from this setup

here that this had not been moved at all

we've moved it back and forth when we've

examined this

since then but

um

these animals in response to what Terry

or to the Rancher and his wife has said

obviously had been put in there as some

kind of a

prank whatever

again to underline

anxiety to create anxiety in a Rancher

and his wife that they had lost their

animals

this is a photo of the Bulls taking a

few hours after they were released and

they were still in a surly mood the

nid's team wasn't on the property at the

time of the incident but arrived soon

after almost as strange as the treatment

of the Bulls was the physical evidence

left at the scene the bars of the Corral

had been magnetized examining this metal

structure all along the length of the

metal structure it was extremely highly

magnetized the entire Corral here there

was a magnetic field deviation for

several hours on this Corral and then it

just kind of dissipated

but um very strong magnetic field along

this entire length of Corral

that was the only clue that was found to

what happened here and it doesn't even

tie into how exactly it happened so you

can't just say it was teenagers who came

up came into the Corral and got these

holes into this thing no you need to be

extremely even to get one ball into this

this Corral I mean forcing a ball to

climb even climb up this into an

enclosed space is just impossible

you know and and the fact is it was

verified pretty well convincingly that

this door had not opened in the

interruption huh and that's the only way

in from the Corral

I mean it's another one of these brain

teasers you know how exactly was it done

why was it done all of that

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in the Uinta Basin you are being visited

by something that appears to be

non-human yes

what is your full name my name is Gary

walking libach puyap I got to talk with

your mom and kind of hear her

perspective over over months and months

on the phone and finally we had a

interview

the moment that changed your mom's ideas

do you know the one I'm talking about

what happened it was dead night we just

stepped out of our truck

I'm just walking my own way and she's

walking this way

that out of nowhere

and it just lit up right as this and

just as you see in the windows that's

how bright it was just went back to

black

that's what I hear from so many people

they always say it was it was brighter

than the sun we've had a lot of reports

of Lights from the sky coming down and

hitting people

and some people have gotten sick from

that

uh like Burns

and you described one experience of that

yes so there have been negative health

effects from the Burns so just to get

personal let me ask you first you have a

medical condition no yes can you tell me

about that this is the MS okay Ms

I'm only 30 years old first one in

family history I'm the only one

it's hard for your mom you can see she's

it's hard for her right and in any

family yeah

one thing she asked is she's curious if

these lights had any negative impact on

your guy's health

do you feel there's any connection to

that or do you feel it's just not that I

feel like it's not

these things you're seeing I remember I

was just hearing not ringing again but

it was only on one side on my left side

I'd use my cane and not walk around and

get right here I saw the moon as bright

it was then I just see this object a

white object circling it then it came

back around and it did it again then it

just went and it went backwards towards

it and I can remember seeing it just

jolt and just see that weird Flash

I guess it probably noticed me or

something then it just took off you're

talking about craft

unusual uh propulsion yes so it's not

just the ranch it's all around you into

basins around your home around your

property whatever this phenomenon is

it's all around you here yes

some people have been harmed by these

their lives have been changed once you

see something like this you can never

see the world the same again it just has

to happen to you something is here

is it real oh yes I believe it is much

real all those deniers you know then

just come out here I don't care how many

numbers they just got to have that kind

of experience but it's a Gamble

some days they're here some days they're

not it'll be take days weeks months just

to have just one little experience I

think just one even just seeing a light

or a UFO just coming by just once just

get that one image just like that and

then we'll just be with them for the

rest of their life just that one little

piece why does this area have so many

things all concentrate I think there's a

main porthole somewhere here

there are big displays and the cops are

called out something is coming over this

area beaming lights your concern last

time was is this having negative effects

on the people I love and is it

government or is it entities other

beings

you're both not in your head's attempt

so what is it what does that mean what

could it be

is it from here or is it from somewhere

else

the other side or a different world or

somewhere different solar system just

visiting the universe is wild there's

many planets I don't know I really would

like to know maybe find out at least

something if people wanted to come and

visit this place your area

um would you advise them to do that or

to not do that

if you're curious come and see yourself

you know

because I can sit here and tell you

forever all my experiences but that's me

but there are risks but they are they

yes there is risks

you might see something you

can't handle or you might

experience uh

entity I'm gonna say that you can't

handle and so

yeah I don't know it's hard yes and no I

I could just it'd be up to that

individual

we

AK

the Gormans were especially sensitive to

the incident with the bulls because of

the losses they'd already suffered out

of a herd of 80 cattle they lost 14 head

prior to the arrival of nids some

disappeared others were sliced up twelve

more cows and calves were killed while

nids was on the ranch their neighbors

the Garcias lost several animals as well

some of their cattle appeared to have

been killed by being dropped onto the

pasture from a great height the cattle

mutilation mystery has been reported in

at least 15 states dating back to the

1960s thousands of animals have been

sliced up with surgical Precision mostly

under the cover of Darkness if humans

are doing it not a single suspect has

ever been caught for the Gormans the

livestock losses were devastating both

financially and psychologically and then

things got worse

on March 10 1997 Tom Gorman and his wife

walked out of their home and into the

pasture planning to tag the ears of

several calves that had been born in the

preceding days it was a bright clear

morning snow was on the ground 50 yards

from their house they found the first

calf because they were with their their

dog the two of them tagged and weighed

this animal they they checked it at I

believe was 84 pounds

or 87 pounds and they left the animal

there

with the with the mother everything

seemed to be fine although they did

detect an odor in the air around this uh

area they they detected a strong musk

smell

um they took note of it and then they

headed west and they went about 300

yards west beyond the the dog run was is

not was not there at the time but about

300 yards Beyond

towards where that incline is

um and they were tagging a second animal

only 30 to 40 minutes had passed the

Gormans had an unobstructed view of

everything in the field but didn't see

or hear anything unusual until their dog

focused its attention back toward the

house and the first calf the dog with

them down here at this stage began to

act really strangely it started growling

the hair on the back of its neck went up

and it started facing back

towards here growling and snarling and

then it just took off West away from

this spot it just took off it was never

seen again the Gormans were curious and

walked back across the field first thing

they saw was the mother of the animal

was running back and forth kind of in a

in a

sort of half circle from about this area

to the fence line just running back and

forth and it was limping I mean it was

dragging its foot it was limping they

met the animal

um and they noticed that it was just

totally out of breath it was panting it

was obviously in deep stress and it was

dragging one leg and then they noticed

the calf or what was left of it

spread eagle on the ground just about

here with uh was it was lying with all

four limbs just spread on the ground all

of its internal body cavity was gone it

was completely pretty well all of its

muscle was gone from the from the Torso

the legs were still intact but the one

of the ears was also gone so

they called Neds the Rancher placed a

call to the nid's investigators who'd

returned to Las Vegas for a rare weekend

off within a few hours a four-man team

including a veterinarian was on the

scene

necropsy started and the first thing

that the veterinarian noticed during the

necropsy was that the the ear of the

animal had been sliced off with a very

sharp instrument

possibly a scalpel and the ear had

contained a very large plastic Yellow

Tag like a an air tag that they had just

put on and it was gone so the necropsy

proceeded

about 10 feet away from the animal there

was a femur one of the femurs had been

forcibly ripped out of a ball and socket

joint which is extremely difficult to do

I mean strength it was it looked

initially you know superficially like a

massive Predator had just leaned waste

to this animal removed you know 60

pounds of meat in 45 minutes which we

don't know of any predator that could

have done that and how could a predator

inflict such Carnage without being seen

or heard by the Rancher his wife or his

dog who were a few hundred yards away in

the same field on what was a quiet

Sunday morning no four-legged Predator

known to science could do it

the team gathered tissue and Bone

samples which were sent to three

independent pathology Labs the results

arrived later but confirmed what seemed

obvious in the pasture that day the calf

had been carved up by someone wielding

sharp metallic instruments a heavy

machete like object had slammed into the

bones a smaller scalpel-like knife had

sliced the hide and muscle but closer

inspection revealed that it was

definitely sharp instruments used there

was no sign of blood there was no sign

of entrails around it was perfectly

clean not a drop of blood on the grass

we weren't even as far as doing an

experiment by pouring Blood on the grass

to see how fast it would seep through

videotape the grass and showed you know

even two days later you could still see

the stain on the grass so there was no

blood whatsoever not a single drop

either underneath the animal on the

animal or on the grass it was just

completely clean a professional tracker

was brought in he scoured every inch of

ground in and around on the field

looking for tracks human animal or

vehicle nothing eventually the

investigators reached an unsettling

conclusion the bottom line is this

animal must have been killed elsewhere

because there was no blood there was no

blood on the scene and then the animal

must have been brought back laid down

carefully almost you know really almost

ritually on the spot where it had been

tagged the nids team investigated dozens

of Mutilation cases across the country

many of the tissue samples were analyzed

in need's own lab in Las Vegas and then

double checked by independent labs they

hired the Utah calf was in a category

all its own it seemed akin to

psychological warfare intended to shock

and frighten the witnesses the following

night there was another scare in the

darkness of the first Homestead shots

were fired at something that had rattled

the herd eventually column Kelleher

surmised that the perpetrators

responsible for the calf were technical

like an assembly line in a meat packing

plant a machine was involved with this

Carnage whatever happened to that calf

was a an extraordinarily skillful job

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mutilations are clearly one aspect we

can put our finger on that we can

quantify to a degree

physical evidence remains after the

event and we grasp to it in search of

answers

who is performing these horrific acts of

violence are they meant to unsettle us

why

and are there even answers to be found

in these questions

during the time of the nid's

investigations the phenomenon recorded

and documented was more than elusive

it never actually repeated itself

from creatures to craft from disembodied

voices to trickster-like Paranormal

Activity it was a cosmic game of cat and

mouse

dark shadowy beings observed climbing

out of orange glowing geometric

portholes

silent craft carving out chunks of tree

branches as they Traverse the landscape

geomagnetic anomalies sending compasses

into tail spins events indicating a

precognitive ability by the phenomenon

to know the next move of the

investigators

this area has been described as a

paranormal Disneyland if it's weird it's

happened in the Uinta basin

but by far the most constant theme in

the area has always remained focused on

UFOs ships

that appear without discrimination

but not just passive UFO sightings

sightings that are participatory

experiences that tend to communicate

with observers interact with them

it's been happening in the area since

humans settled there and it continues to

this day

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thank you

foreign

why are you keeping your identity Secret

I have chosen to keep my identity

confidential

to not only protect the Integrity of our

effort and to avoid distractions that

would potentially compromise our efforts

but also to

maintain a level of professionalism in

my other business activities and

Enterprises I have a vast Empire

of business interests that I cannot

allow

to be compromised by virtue of any

disclosure of mine involvement in this

effort

everybody wants to know what is going on

at the ranch now have you

continued the research and have you

Amplified it

we have entered an entirely new and

expanded era of scientific investigation

at Skinwalker Ranch

since acquiring the property two years

ago from Mr Bigelow we have installed

significant security enhancements in

addition to Scientific instrumentation

that has allowed us to not only better

understand but also better document

the high strangeness in the anomalies

that have been recorded for decades if

not millennia

and wow and that's right here in the

field

solid craft wow and then is it familiar

Corel

we're looking right up to where we're

sitting yep

wow

Millennium Falcon exactly it looks

that's about the closest thing to it

and this was one of the most surprising

things that we recorded right after I

purchased the ranch was this image and

again according to all the flight data

for the you inter Basin and Utah during

that day there was no other commercial

or private

flight traffic

here's another craft that was captured

over the ranch

we've been recording both seismic and

infrasonic activity in the area one

thing we found from our infrasonic

studies there are unexplained signals

our chief scientists it's like nothing

he's ever recorded the patterns that

he's found on the ranch

what I am most interested in is what is

so unique about this property why is

this the center of gravity for for The

Unexplained all sorts of high strangers

and how far back

so this is the first of three

observation towers 20 years ago Bob

Bigelow Milton and he built them as vape

pens and observation towns they put

cattle Livestock in the big pens to see

if they would react

asbion sensors to unseen activity

because the scientists were noticing

things that were more what we would call

me predator-like they were camouflaged

to helium effect

this is a disturbing part of the ranch

it is the historic record that really

attests to the fact that for some reason

there have been strange activities

recorded in this area strange lights in

the sky unidentified aerial craft

Halloween relations going back to as

early as 1920 1930 you see how remote

this is to a degree out here right now

you can imagine back in the 1920s 1930s

stepping in there

you need a foundation

I still am prayerful I believe that

we're not alone and I don't think there

are any coincidences and that's the

thing that is scary about what we're

seeing here on the ranch when you have

craft learning about in the sky that are

not showing up on any radar that are not

accounted for and things happening to

people

that are beyond their control

you think of the National Security

implications it really does speak to the

fact that we don't we don't have any

idea

really what the true nature of reality

is one right above my head and I could

hit it with a tennis ball

yeah and it was a solid yeah it was

solid

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so you don't you don't get anything

while you're here I feel great

I'm impervious to evil man it's the

thing I got going oh really

how'd you uh

how did you get that going for yourself

being appropriate so easily genetics

what do you have to say to people who

think this is not a real phenomenon

they're delusional

anyone who does their due diligence

anyone who is this sincere seeker of

Truth

that actually looks into this

will find that there is absolute truth

to what is happening

there is legitimacy

and it is perhaps the most important

scientific effort of our time

the game has changed

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does this bring back memories to your

first trip to the ranch

well yeah I mean the only other time we

did this was the first trip that I ever

made here and we built the fire and we

made a bunch of noise did kind of the

kind of things that this group has been

doing today and yesterday and tried to

uh attract the attention of something

it didn't work and you know

whatever that's here it plays by its own

rules it shows you

what it wants to when it wants to for

for nids when they came in they came in

like gangbusters they end up bringing a

lot of technical expertise and Equipment

scientific measuring equipment to try to

figure out what's out here the phenomena

itself always seemed to be one step

ahead of of the team that was trying to

figure it out

whatever is here it toys with whomever

is trying to figure it out I mean it

plays games it messes with your mind

it seems to know what you're going to do

before you do it and it gives you

glimpses only when you don't expect it

and you're not ready for it there's a

suggestion from what's here there's all

these different phenomena that you

wouldn't normally associate with each

other UFOs and Poltergeist Poltergeist

and Bigfoot Bigfoot and cattle

mutilations all those things in one

place it's almost like it's telling us

they're all related on some level and

it's up to you to figure it out

I've been out here you know a number of

times with you and I've wanted to have

an experience that was was not good to

be honest with you I did because I

wanted to see for myself but I've only

had really good experience I tried to

trick myself into feeling like oh

something's terrifying but I've just

felt good you didn't expect to see

anything but it'd be cool if you did if

it was just scary I could deal with that

but if I have a hitchhiker

that comes on and takes me over

I couldn't deal with that so I'm scared

of that but we do have a say in in

England and it's in for a penny in for a

pound I'm

I'm here so I might as well and I

survived the last one I I don't know if

I can afford any more hitchhikers so

I'll say that out loud to The

Hitchhikers of the Galaxy don't come

home with me we all talk about evidence

well what is evidence to use evidence of

photograph is it a video a lot of what I

have is witness testimony witness

testimony is evidence so my question is

does there become a point where

testimony becomes so weighty that it

just has value the witness testimony is

what got me into this I mean Admirals

generals Pilots I mean that's what

initially got me into this stuff so yes

that has weight

but what I'd love to see you know a

portal open up right there

yeah I really would it's just I've got

the point where I just I don't have the

luxury of disbelief anymore I don't know

what that means it doesn't mean I know

anything I just don't have the luxury of

disbelief

if I'm honest I should not have the

luxury to disbelieve Eva

I believe there's other stuff there I've

said it you know I always try and

qualify that with but I'm not sure

because it might be crazy and don't

worry about me I'm just an idiot you

know

um but you know I I do believe

foreign

so I guess I just want to hear a little

bit you know from George why do you want

this out now

the universe is more mysterious and

wondrous and complicated than we

imagined reality is more complicated

than what it might seem full stop

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I thought that coming in about six years

ago that

if we essentially through personnel and

equipment at this problem on this

property as well as elsewhere

and if we you know we really pulled out

the stops in terms of chemical analysis

that we probably would get answers but

any answers that we've got

don't seem to fit the overall thinking

and I'm thinking mostly of the kinds of

chemical analysis that have been carried

out on the UFO artifacts as well as some

of the preliminary chemical analysis

we've done on the mutilations

I don't think

that there's an iota of evidence from

any of that stuff

that really Nails the Extraterrestrial

thing there's really no strong evidence

that it's extraterrestrial that has kind

of

that's a fly in the ointment

it's really

against the predictions as

counterintuitive

if anything that is created more

questions

than I originally had coming into this

whole thing

essentially the ranch became a testing

ground a Proving Ground if you will

applying the scientific method this team

this group of multidisciplinary

scientists both on the staff and of the

science Advisory Board to attempt to

solve a problem using the scientific

method and we couldn't do it

the scientific method is not amenable to

these kind of problems it is not that

malleable

it's not that flexible to be able to

apply easily to a problem such as this

which is non-repeatable every time a

phenomena occurs it's not always same

one as before it's always something new

and always something different

the phenomena was playing with us

giving us only a taste here and there of

various things

an opportunity to see things

that were abnormal

uh opportunity to cause examinations

upon performances of things that were

very unique through certain pathological

kinds of Investigations

the performances didn't repeat

themselves you know each time there

would be a performance of A Sort there

was always some unique pattern it was

something that that was always changed

so we would be prepared that if this

thing this type of event happened again

we know what to do well that exact same

event never happened again it would

always be something completely different

every time we we would come up with a

some method of observation or

calibration

it seemed that uh we were always out

against

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it became obvious that

we obviously weren't the ones in control

we were along for the ride

and that a lot of these exhibitions were

exhibitions for gamesmanship or

instruction

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um you know in that kind of context

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people say Secrets can't be kept they're

full of [ __ ] Secrets can be kept secrets

are kept big secrets

it took two decades for this story to

even begin to open up and what's most

interesting is how it relates to what's

happening now

oh my gosh it's rotating

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what is the link between the current

releases by the Department of Defense

using the New York Times to get out two

videos now three what is the connection

between Matt and the ranch

so it's kind of a long and winding road

with a lot of acronyms involved but

here's the basics December 2017 the New

York Times breaks a story about the

existence of a secret UFO program in the

Pentagon and while many of us have long

suspected they had something going we

didn't know exactly what it was well

turns out it's something called atip

Advanced Aerospace threat identification

program a guy named Lou Elizondo comes

forward he says he's the point man for

this program in addition we learned that

there was a contract given out and it

involves bass Bigelow Advanced Aerospace

within Bigelow Aerospace here in Las

Vegas and uh that a study had been

conducted 22 million dollars and that

part of that study focused on Skinwalker

Ranch a lot of people assume that atip

and bass were almost synonymous that the

money for atip and bass came from the

same pot that it was the same program in

fact as it wasn't

what was bass was involved with

something else bass was under a much

larger program

the existence of which has not been made

public yet but bass was not part of atip

atip did communicate with bass that was

exchange of information back and forth

but it wasn't a tip that went to the

ranch it was somebody else bass

investigators went to the property

investigated it interviewed Witnesses

collected evidence much like nids had

done before National Institute for

Discovery Science which while many

people suspected it was a government

program was not it was completely funded

by Bob Bigelow he bought the property he

hired the people to be there he

conducted studies for more than a decade

he owned the ranch for 20 years and sold

it in 2016. nids was Private bass was

public and that it was funded by

taxpayer money and that came from a

program whose name has not yet been made

public

what is going on at Skinwalker Ranch

if you're asking did we crack the

mystery the answer is no you know it's

very frustrating for the scientists both

the nids guys and the bass guys and I

think any other agency that's been

involved in the study we don't have an

answer to how it works we know that it

is real and it's mysterious and it's

documentable and it's physical and

sometimes it's not physical sometimes it

appears almost like a hologram and um

and it's a it's a trickster and it's

elusive it is clearly intelligent but we

don't know what it is or where it's from

or what its intentions are does it mean

to harm us sometimes it does harm us

part of what the bass study did they

evaluated uh databases from around the

world including some very dramatic cases

from other countries where humans were

face significant harm physical harm

and there have been some reports of that

in the Uinta Basin as well where people

were harmed after encountering these

things could some of them be government

I think the answer is yes are all of

them government I'd say the answer is no

you know I try to prepare myself for

these trips that we make and I'm

respectful of whatever it is that's

there and I don't want to take anything

home to any loved ones but most of the

people who've gone there as many times

as we have have taken something with

them and I don't want that to happen

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we still don't know what we're dealing

with

and that's the truth of it

big questions

disturbing answers

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it sounds crazy but in reality

these events happen it's hard it it's

your problem

you have to Grapple with that these

events happen and so that's everybody's

challenge is to try to absorb and

integrate that information

or deny it or ridicule it that's what

people like to do but these events

happen

there is a real mystery here and I

believe Mysteries have Solutions I

believe we can get at least closer to

the truth

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I don't know man

are we alone in the universe

this intelligence that seems to be

interacting with Humanity what is it

what what is its purpose

these are real tangible physical events

but sometimes it's it's like a mirage

nobody knows what we're dealing with

that's the bottom line nobody knows

it's our job to investigate the

Unexplained not to explain the

uninvestigated

that's what I figure

yeah okay okay

oh God yeah

they're so strong

you see red lights around could a truck

do that I don't think it could have that

is not a drop

there's no Road out there see any tricks

with four red bikes

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but one time I can draw 20 different

pictures when I see right

now

I have no idea

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you can't throw the baby out of the

freaking bath you've got cases

absolutely striking compelling evidence

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