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would be what would the general populace

be more skeptical of Bigfoot or

aliens

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definitely I mean Bigfoot no question

but I'm definitely more tailored to be

fascinated by ufology

there is something that those people are

drawn to

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I love exploring that plane it's color

it's

Joy

it's mystery and living in that mystery

I really think that it's okay that

people go out in search of these things

and want to know more about life Beyond

Where We Are

there's something there

I really think people who go in search

of Bigfoot and I think people who go in

search of aliens I think they're very

similar and and here's why

a lot of people who studied and there

are people who take just simply a

scholarly academic approach to the study

of the unknown and that's what science

is all about

you have a question that you don't know

the answer to you have a hypothesis you

test that hypothesis with evidence and

if your hypothesis proves to be untrue

you come back and you re-hypothesize it

was Harry and the Hendersons the movie

Harry and the Hendersons that that

really sparked my interest in Bigfoot

and similarly to ET which sparked my

interest in extraterrestrials right

there was this infusion of Love of

tenderness of kindness in both of those

films

and so from the earliest age my interest

in anything paranormal extraterrestrial

and origin

was grounded in this this idea that

perhaps there are species out there

yet undiscovered or proven

to exist in the mainstream

that are not caged and restricted

by the same kind of shortcomings that

human beings have

the biggest difference between

cryptozoology and ufology whether it's

doing research speaking at conferences

lectures TVs shows things like that the

biggest difference is that a lot of UFO

research is sort of historical going

through files

speaking with Witnesses cryptozoology

because it's the study of unknown

animals there's a great deal of research

done out in the field in forests in

woods in Lakes mountains so

cryptozoology lends it more to

Expeditions and being on the road

whereas ufology is scrutinizing cases

you know and documents and files so one

is very much Outdoors another one is

pouring over material that kind of thing

so there's definitely a bit of a

difference I think between the UFO and

uh Bigfoot Community Bigfoot Community

tell them to be a little more grounded a

lot of these guys are just guys that

live out in the woods

you know they're pretty down to earth

and then other animals and other species

you know they just

either I've had I've seen something

unusual they can't explain you know they

don't think of it in terms of I think so

much in terms of like anthropology or

biology a lot of these guys because

these guys some of these guys are

hunters or they're just guys that live

on you know in the woods in there

pretty regular people

it doesn't attract

as many crazy people to or let's say

delusional to be honest you know as the

UFO field does

and it's not as

there's less politics I think especially

today the UFO field is very politically

motivated you know everything it's it's

been hijacked a little bit by

a certain group of people that were you

at the UFOs are coming second behind

their worship of certain politicians or

you know it's it gets tied up with like

the Q Anon phenomena which I personally

think is utterly ridiculous you know so

there's a lot more conspiracy theory out

there that I think are kind of going off

the deep end and it attracts a lot of

those guys

yeah it's interesting because there is

not much cultural crossover between the

alien fans the ancient alien fans the

conspiracy theorists about governments

and and stuff like that the Bigfoot

people the ghost people and there really

should because basically we're all the

same in the sense if you put us all

together you'd have a really really

massive block of of Voters and political

activists because we're all people that

recognize in one way or another that the

world that we're presented on TV is not

reality that there is a much deeper

maybe darker but certainly more

interesting reality that we exist in

than what we're we're sold every day

there's a lot more things going on than

just who's going to win the Super Bowl

the Chiefs by the way

um you know there's more stuff going on

than that and the you know the

impeachment for us that's going on right

now it's all it's all for show and it's

all to keep us distracted from the

ghosts and the bigfoots and the things

that don't fit and the aliens and the

Ancient Aliens is to keep us from really

focused seen on the truth because if we

did focus on that we might get

distracted and not really think it was

that important to go to work tomorrow

and that's what keeps the engine of

civilization running we had a

fascinating conversation with Mike Barra

on the way up the mountain

he was taught this is before this whole

virus thing came out and he started he

was saying that yeah I got an Insider

see a guy that has said that we have a

virus that targets certain

ethnic groups and we're and the whole

everybody in the truck were just like

what are you talking about and it's

right as the whole thing was kind of

Breaking Free but it doesn't look like

that was the you know it just started in

China or whatever but it was that's you

know you get all kinds of Insider info

from these guys and then when they say

they got a contact it's hard not you

know

I really think that it's okay that

people go out in search of these things

and want to know more about space and

want to know more about life beyond

where we are we have predilections to

violence

to disorder

Vengeance anger hatred all these things

and and when I saw those movies when I

was a child

I thought what if there really is a

species out there that was kind

and compassionate and they were not a

species of War or conflict there are

scientific species right like ET the

Extraterrestrial or Harry and the

Hendersons that maybe all these settings

of Bigfoots which

keep their distance for the most part

Sasquatch or Yeti

that they're intelligent enough to stay

away from us because maybe they don't

want to get involved with our conflicts

and they can see how aggressive we can

be not that we always are

um but we have people out there that are

actually

with guns hunting for bigfoot which I

just think is absolutely absurd and I

highly highly condemn it I'm gonna

really just ticks me off that people do

that

um because there's just not enough good

evidence

that I've seen that Bigfoot or Sasquatch

is

aggressive and violent towards human

beings

um they may be at times confrontational

in that they approach and come close to

us to eyewitnesses

but that does not justify

looking for a trophy just to prove that

some species exists because again for me

it's something more meta it's bigger the

the search for strange creatures or

extraterrestrials visiting here whatever

you're searching for for me it all means

something much bigger than ourselves

for me that's one of the main reasons

why I kind of like cryptozoology in many

ways more than ufology because I enjoy

the sort of road trip Expedition aspect

of it hitting the road and potentially

you know staking out at a lake where

something's been seen for seven days you

know for me that's more exciting than

just pouring over something that's been

released on the freedom information act

from 50 years ago which is really still

core material but I kind of like that

sort of hitting the road angle more than

anything else yeah

personally I think both

UFOs and Bitcoin are equally believable

but for different reasons I think

because the UFO phenomena we have so

much

evidence now I don't want to say proof

because we don't have the Smoking Gun

you know but obviously recently we've

seen how various governments including

ours have admitted to the fact that

there are flying objects out there they

can't explain we have a paper trail you

know that for example John Greenwald at

The Black Vault has been able to dig up

that talk about UFOs from official

capacity in the US government other you

know governments around the world have

admitted to the fact that yeah these

things fly around we have a plethora of

footage at this point I mean granted a

lot of it's fake but a plethora of good

footage pictures

accounts you know throughout the entire

world so there's a lot there

you know with Bigfoot we have much less

I think and but on the other hand

um 10 years ago I would say UFOs are

more believable in Bigfoot but since

we've all all that we know now about

the fossil record and much further about

going back to genetics have proven that

something like Bigfoot only could exist

but did exist you know a lot a bunch of

times the last few million years so if

it was possible then

certainly there's no reason for it not

to be possible now the only question is

whether it could stay hidden in the

modern world definitely I mean Bigfoot

no question it's out there but I'm

definitely more

um tailored to be fascinated by ufology

and and the technology

do I have no problem whatsoever with a

person who wants to know or go out and

investigate whether or not there's a

life beyond our solar system I don't

know how you do that

I have through my involvement with

UFO research for the government and now

I suppose as as somebody who writes and

broadcasts on this I interact with the

UFO Community I have a good knowledge I

suppose of of ufology for want of a

better word I know that there are other

Mysteries are the fields of study so we

have for example all sorts of anomalous

creatures seen all around the the world

monsters and and

um I suppose most famously Bigfoot

say and you have the whole

cryptozoological community

I suspect there are similarities

differences between those communities

well I've been interested in yeah I

guess a lot of different things but to

see the intertwining of the ufology

ufology we have that subject but when

you start going down that road and you

start opening that that box it's

literally Pandora's Box because you will

discover as I have

what is reality what are we doing here

what why what what are what is a human

being what is the purpose of our

existence you know all of these big big

questions

you ask and you go deeper and you go

deeper and you may find some answers you

may find you know and it's very

individualized but uh it's all

interconnected so ghosts you know you

mentioned Bigfoot earlier you know the

indigenous teachings cultures but other

religious belief systems it's all

connected and it's all intertwined to

the bigger greater story of what is it

to be human so I think the positive and

negative are two sides of the same coin

for both cryptozoology and ufology

so again the seeking I think is a a sort

of mystical Quest so Ghost Hunters I'm

cryptozoologists

ufologists whatever it is

they are seeking something that is

bigger

than what conventional thinking tells us

our reality is beyond our five senses

and science has teased this right that

the world is so much bigger

the universe is so much more magical and

diverse than we may have imagined but it

seems to me that our imagination often

drives

the search for answers we have to sort

of imagine what could be before we can

even seek it and so the idea that we can

imagine that there might be these

Elementals or Spirits or ghosts or

chupacabras or Bigfoot

that there might be extraterrestrials

visiting our Earth from another planet

that fills us with

a wonder that I think just sort of

feeds the spirit of living that it makes

life exciting and

in the search for that

I think there is something almost

spiritual about it and I think that is a

very positive thing now some people

might

like they use other things fill the void

um but I think most people it's not a

void that they're filling

it's just living the Journey of life and

you know going down the enigmatic Road

of Investigation into the unknown is

something that

broadens the mind

in some sense both communities would

regard themselves as somewhat Fringe and

are regarded as somewhat Fringe and

maybe eccentric by for example the

mainstream scientific community

a lot of these people might regard

themselves as

Outsiders Crusaders for the truth in a

situation where maybe they feel the deck

is stacked against them maybe from

government media scientific Community

whoever it might be the negative is that

yes sometimes people can get obsessed

and any kind of obsession is is

um you know damaging and uh

unfortunately I think sometimes there

are

researchers or individuals

who need more

out of life that then

what an interest in ufology or

cryptozoology can provide

and maybe they begin to

um

fill their investigations with hyperbole

so that they can get more attention

maybe they start to take an experience

and a

embellish it too far too much and it's

attention that they need it does happen

so there there is that negative side to

it

and sometimes yeah just like a religion

or a philosophy of any kind they might

be using that to fill some kind of void

in their soul and their heart and their

psyche

I'm sure there are some differences

between the communities but there are

some commonalities

too and and I think that's very

interesting it's whatever you believe

about UFOs about Bigfoot I think

actually it would be quite interesting

almost sociologically

to look at those communities so not

looking so much at UFOs or at Bigfoot

but the people that study them and and

research them and maybe try to go out I

mean I don't know what the difference is

for example between people that go out

on a sky watch with binoculars and

infrared equipment night vision goggles

and say the people that hunt Bigfoot and

I I suspect that one one common thread

is is Extreme dedication

and these things aren't easy they you

probably get ridiculed and disbelieved

and you probably spend a lot of cold wet

nights

um when it might be easier to

um drink some beer and watch the game so

it's an interesting question about these

different communities and as I say I'm

sure there are there are some things

that bind them together and other things

that set them apart

by and large most people especially in

the Paranormal Community I love the

people in the Paranormal Community

um you know it's just just part of my

tribe as it were and they're good people

and we are very supportive of each other

and I really appreciate that and there's

a lot of positive thinking

so I was into the whole UF audience

thing prior to being into Bigfoot uh my

introduction uh was through a French

comic book on Aliens but inside they had

like a story from Brazil about a little

hairy monster as they were supposedly

aliens so when I saw another book on the

yeti I kind of recognized that model you

know from the earlier uh UFO book so

that got me interested into the yeti I'm

like oh it's kind of like you know this

uh UFO story in Brazil then obviously

that went on to its own path but

it even five years ago a UFO person oh

those Bigfoot people they're stuck up

they don't know they're they're you know

they're tracking something

you know we don't really care about them

and then the Bigfoot people would be

like no those guys are weird you know I

spend my weekends out looking for a big

hairy bipedal ape or something but those

those UFO people are weird

and because a lot of Bigfoot researchers

and understandably saw a very scientific

very hard fact we want Footprints we

want photographs we want hair samples we

want DNA

we want sounds we want actual tangible

evidence and UFO being a lot of

sightings and encounters and hearsay

having even less physical evidence than

UFO World there was always a departure

when I got invited to speak at upars La

which is the LA chapter of mufon upar's

universal paranormal

um Association and then mufa and Orange

County very nice people it was really

refreshing because I'm so used to

talking to people unless it's a

paranormal podcast if I just talk to

regular people who have an interest in

it you spend the whole conversation

about Bigfoot trying to convince them it

exists

and when you go talk to a group of 30 40

50 60 people who study different alien

races and UFOs and Consciousness and

different astral planes and metaphysics

and all this different kind of stuff and

I'm like yeah my name's Matt I research

bigfoots they're all like yeah and

there's a big hairy North American

creature exists they're like yeah and

it's no big deal to them I mean when

you're talking about

parallel dimensions and wormholes and

Ancient Aliens and civilizations and the

real kind of outdoor stuff they talk

about to them an Undiscovered species or

an ape is just like or a species of

human they're just kind of like yeah

whatever and they were very interested

and very welcoming and I heard some

weird stories from some of the people

who came up during the intermediate hi

I'm a level three Shaman and I live in

the woods here and I want to let you

know that bigfoots Are Spiritual

creatures and I saw one one day and I

could see it perfectly clear but my

boyfriend couldn't see it and it spoke

to me in a dream later that night and

I'm just like hi and I had other people

come up to me and they're like uh yeah

we're actually Satan worshipers and we

worship demons and they're all gothened

out and everything like that and I'm

just like hi I'm Matt smiling politely

you know and um they're telling me that

oh yeah Bigfoot has you know some of the

dark ones seed in it and they're

genetically modified and all this and

um the great evil one showed me this in

a dream and I'm like

yep it's nice to meet all you folks you

know I mean give them listen to these

people listen to them hear what they

have to say you know whether you throw

it out personally is up to you but it's

certainly fascinating certainly

entertaining at the very least

Bigfoot in my opinion is the Nephilim

the Nephilim are the byproduct The

Offspring of the Fallen Angelic hosts

and the human women of Earth creating a

hybrid known as the Nephilim it's

biblical it's right in there Genesis 6.

it goes back in the seat of a dragon

will be at War at enmity with the seed

of the woman which sets up the rest of

the biblical prophetic narrative that's

not taught in most seminaries most

Christians have no idea what that even

is but it's there and it's coming into

light and I'm one of the people my my

mentor Chuck Missler and Dr ID Thomas I

stand on their shoulders they stand on

GH pember's shoulders so it's been there

people have talked about it but the

mainstream still goes whoa whoa that's

too woo-woo for us so again if this is

all Supernatural in my opinion the whole

UFO phenomenon in my opinion is a

supernatural occurrence not a uh an

extraterrestrial one interdimensional

one

I don't necessarily have to believe

everything I hear

and obviously I don't just swallow and

believe whatever evidence is

you know placed in front of me

but it's the conversation that I enjoy

because what it says is that

we're not being dogmatic

or keeping the door open or asking

questions even for the the strict

almost dogmatic ufologists

or Bigfoot researchers who say no

Bigfoot is a physical being only he's a

ape family descendant living amongst us

secretly whereas others would say it's

an interdimensional being

either way

they're they're searching for something

and they're keeping that door open a

little bit and I really do appreciate

that one of the things that I encounter

on my YouTube channel and in my research

and shows that I've been on is just

because I talk about a theory doesn't

necessarily mean that that's what I

think is going on

you know just I talk about a Bigfoot UFO

connection or a paranormal connection

and Matt thinks they're they're

paranormal or they think that they're

the Nephilim or he thinks there's

something biblical or they think they're

that thinks they're in Alien well well I

didn't say that I feel like any good

researcher or teacher or somebody

exploring a subject you have to look at

these things without that necessarily

being what your opinion is so I got to

put that caveat out there right away

I'm I think I'm probably more passionate

about Bigfoot and I'm about UFOs because

well first of all I have a BS in

anthropology so you know it

it's something that I can justify going

to school for five years you know in one

sense but for whatever reason that's

captured my imagination a lot more than

maybe UFOs

I mean I'm passionate about UFOs just as

well

but I'm a little disillusioned by the

everything that's went on in the UFO

field you know and

if it's a mess if I'm gonna be quite

honest and

there's a lot of people don't have the

best interest of the field in mind and

that's you know that's really

frustrating

Bigfoot's it's a little bit smaller

community and don't get me wrong a lot

of people I don't personally like

but

it it's not as tainted you know as the

UFO field today I think and

I think there's a bigger chance for us

to find proof of Bigfoot in the next

year

than there is of us you know funneling

you know declaring you know aliens or

whatever

you know Chris you have a phenomena is

real

term UFO it's really it encompasses a

lot of modalities it's not we're not

just talking about aliens talking about

secret aircrafts Maybe

whatever right and it becomes there's so

many factors involved and it factors in

so much into the political world right

because we're you're talking about a new

type of energy probably that's that's

very different what we have today

and that affects everything

in the world it affects oil it affects

government I mean imagine a US

Government admitting tomorrow that

aliens UFOs are real and they've been

violating our airspace

for generations and there's nothing we

can do about it

I mean even today which you know it's

things a little chaotic with the US

government but even that admittance is

like it's Unthinkable right how do you

admit something like that

and I think that's part of the problem

why we're not getting UFO disclosure

with Bigfoot you know let's say someone

discovers Bigfoot and now a greater

creationist maybe up at Arms you know

but ultimately everyone's going to get

over it a week later

oh look we found another species of man

that's alive today that'll be huge right

or we found a new type of ape that's

bipedal so maybe the ape thing will be

popular for a week and no one will care

you know that or obviously if we found

another species of human that's going to

change things dramatically but look at

the world today as really anybody's

going to be up Anonymous about it a

month later

sadly probably not you know

and people go back to their phones or

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I suppose if the you know humans are

being abducted I wouldn't see any reason

they wouldn't abduct a Bigfoot too or

and the fact in the last few years you

have seen a lot more crossover Ron

Moorhead a lot of bigger Bigfoot

researchers of giving more talks at UFO

conferences and they're starting to show

up more and you're starting to see a lot

more crossover because I think both

communities are kind of realizing

this isn't just some physical creature

in a craft some species visiting us from

another planet there's more to it than

that these stars are too far away for

them to even travel at the speed of

light and get here there's more to

aliens than just them being Little Green

Men from another planet and then people

look at Bigfoot and there's more to

these creatures than just being a big

hairy human ape hybrid thing and so

there's a lot of crossover

who's to say Bigfoot's not a

shape-shifter that you know one second

he's uh you know a bear-like creature in

the next second he's like an old Indian

Chief and you know oh hey what's up I

yeah who knows anything's possible

coincidentally that's kind of where my

research went is eventually and a lot of

people encountered this in the Bigfoot

world is you've read all the

conventional stuff you've been out in

the woods and had probably more than

likely very very limited success on your

own researching Bigfoot in the fields

you spend all day long camouflaged out

with your comfort set and your face

painted crawling through the woods

watching every step setting up cameras

you go back to the car and you stop to

take a whiz on a tree and that's when

you hear a tree snap and you hear a hoop

and you're like I'm not ready you know

or as soon as your camera dies you've

been filming all day and you're tired

and you're sitting on the porch and

you're gonna have a cocktail that's when

you hear a tree knock over here and you

hear a tree knock over there and you

hear the woods go quiet and you hear a

whoop and you're like

the camera is inside charging with no SD

card in it you're like really really now

that's when it happens and you go get

the camera and then nothing happens

that's just the way it happens with all

paranormal the and that's when you start

getting into the Ghost Hunters people

that go to the haunted you know the

abandoned prison and abandoned Saiyan

asylums in the old houses and try to do

their EVPs and talk to the ghosts and

everything because they have a lot of

the same issues

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it's like Zen the harder you look for it

the farther away from it you're gonna

get and it's very interesting that the

UFO world the Bigfoot world and the

paranormal ghost world all kind of seem

to have that I don't know that I was

wondering where you how what the link

was between

Bigfoot and you know and the UFO culture

and

I'm understanding a little bit more now

for sure

for all of you out there that

that love these topics

thank you thank you for for doing what

you do because I think that on the

periphery

even though maybe you were the ones that

are willing to put our faces out front

and publicly discuss these things

on the periphery there are people that

are watching and listening uh maybe

they're not posting on their Facebook

page you know latest article about

cryptozoology but they might see our

posts

um maybe they tune into radio shows and

they never talk to anyone else about it

outside of that they don't talk to

people at work or family just kind of

like their own little

um you know mystical world that they

created

the similarities at conferences where

you've got big crowds and you know

everybody's listening to the lectures

and so on I mean that's pretty much the

same whether you're talking about UFOs

or if it's cryptozoology what I've found

is that the lectures that are done in

cryptozoology are far more visible in

terms of pictures and imagery you find

that lectures and conferences in

relations like bigfoots are far more

picturesque you know location pictures

uh pictures of the witnesses

um you know shots at the local Lake

where something's been seen pictures of

Bigfoot casts so in other words the

imagery for the audience is huge you

tend to find very often with UFO

lectures it might be like two shots of

the Roswell crash site somebody presents

a document and there isn't really as

much visual material as there is you

know going out to have I've done a lot

of times like Puerto Rico's El junkie

rainforest looking for the

um chupacabra I've done a lot of

lectures where I've probably got 40

pictures of the places we went to but

you just don't get that with you know

lectures on the loudest UFO case there

might be a blob in the sky and a picture

of the researcher pointing in the sky so

that's a big difference as well yeah

but I have heard of a lot of UFO and

paranormal type connections and for

every Bigfoot encounter was yeah it

scratched his butt and walked across the

road there are things that it vanished

it cloaked like the Predator I saw a big

flash of light its eyes were glowing red

I don't mean I Shine from a flashlight

its eyes were glowing red at me I felt

an immense feeling of fear of dread like

I was gonna die and it had glowing red

eyes

and when you start getting into things

like that or it cloaked or it

disappeared or

you start getting to make things and

from people who are scared to death and

seem plausible and why would they make

this up

and then you're like well do I throw

this encounter out

no well some researchers do I don't

blame them if you want the hard science

but for me well let's let's listen to

these people

no they're all different I'd say they're

all different everybody comes at it from

their own way we had Linda Moulton Howe

back in the beginning of the the first

show and we had Stanton Friedman one of

his last

speaking engagements before he passed

but um yeah just a great group it's cool

to have the people come through Big Bear

I don't know Bara kind of covers the

whole spectrum and Nick Pope is he's

just he's fascinating to to conversate

with

there's a lot of parallels in UFO world

people it's very post-traumatic stress

Bigfoot isn't supposed to exist monsters

aren't supposed to exist monsters aren't

supposed to be real but then here you're

confronted with a Bigfoot seven eight

nine ten foot tall

built like the Incredible Hulk and has a

mean look on its face you're at its

Mercy if it wanted to come over here and

tear you in half it could

and it's kind of like that with UFOs

you're at the UFO's Mercy it's something

you don't understand so you have a

post-traumatic type thing you have a

shunning of your weird you're out there

oh Bill saw UFO once and Bill's weird or

Matt oh he's he's he's the weirdo guy

who's into Bigfoot you know like I said

it's all fun and games until you see one

and then you go to the cover-up and then

you go to some of the more out there

things that we were discussing and

there's a lot of parallels and then I

think one thing the UFO world because

they're so driving for credibility even

more than the Bigfoot world

is you look at mufon and a lot of the

big organizations and they have a very

strict rigid

way that they conduct their

investigation is that's great time

location temperature what was the

traffic conditions on nearby roads what

kind of what was the environment what

was the State of Mind of the person

where they calmed were they agitated did

this person have a history of mental

illness did they appear to be

intoxicated are they into drugs of any

kind what what was the conditions were

there any other Witnesses is there any

other historic they're very very good

and I think the Bigfoot world could

learn a lot from that from doing almost

a law enforcement type investigation you

know just the facts

I don't know it's kind of fascinating

the whole disappearances and like uh in

some of the national forests too and

what's that all about

I've done a bunch of research in that

and it's like

walking with somebody one second and

then they're just gone

and then sometimes stuff turns up you

know pieces of their luggage or their

gear or whatever miles away where

there's and you know the time frame

doesn't match and who knows abducted I

don't know you know Bigfoot ran off with

them or who knows

one thing when you get into military

Witnesses and police officers when you

work in law enforcement you're a trained

Observer you're meant to look at a crowd

you're meant to pick out things you're

meant to interpret things that you have

training and you have background and you

do it for a living so when you have

military and law enforcement there are

plenty of sightings by cops plenty of

sightings by firefighters and lawyers

and judges when you get into military

and law enforce these are trained

observers and when they have that how

much more credible do you want it to be

I mean you can't make this stuff up it

always seems like there's some hard

evidence that changes their life forever

and they're like I went from a

non-believer to a full believer and in a

second but it's I've always trusted it I

always say trust no one

and it's healthy very very healthy to be

suspicious we've all heard that line

before trust no one from the X-Files but

you have to ask them what does that

really mean

because if I have subscribed to the

mainstream Media or if I subscribe to

what I was taught in school growing up

and then I have this realization later

on that what I've been told is not

entirely the truth and I start

discovering new information and I get

that sense of betrayal

then I'll start looking at other sources

of information

and those other sources of information

may offer some truths but those truths

can be mixed in

with

falsehoods

and let's just say mainstream Media or

what you're taught in school let's say

there's an agenda there if I look to

some other source

and they may be telling me some other

truth that they weren't telling me maybe

I will believe that

but if they had agendas how do I know

this other person

doesn't have an agenda

and we have to be really really careful

so I think you have to look at all

aspects of a conspiracy all aspects of

evidence whether it's cryptozoology and

ufology and try to be objective as you

can it's okay to entertain all these

um theories

and explanations as to what the

phenomena is

but

whether it's a conspiracy like Q Anon

or whether it's a government cover-up of

the Roswell crash if you believe all

conspiracies then none of them can be

true and so I just think it's healthy to

step back be objective you know enjoy

the the the the prospect of

discovering truth

that has been hidden from us I think

that's very fun and exciting but you

need to be responsible and not

just shift your faith from one voice to

another voice to another person to

another source

um wholeheartedly and blindly so that

that's a very slippery negative side to

all of these topics

personally I do think at some point or

another we've had contact with aliens

and I think maybe at some point or

another we've had their recovered craft

or given to us technology which is where

stealth you look at where technology was

20 years ago and you look at where it

was 50 years ago and you look at where

it is now

microchips and lithium batteries and all

that kind of stuff and every new plane

that comes out is already you know they

say that we're 30 years behind what the

government and Labs already have you

know and I think that's very true I

think they're getting it from I think

some of it could be very well reverse

engineered you know where did Titanium

come from how do you smelt it how do you

work with it aluminum even in the 40s

and 50s coming up was a very new thing

where do we work with all these

different how do you know things that

we've had but how do we work with it to

microchips to Battery Technology to

touch screen technology to propulsion

all these different things

and it seems to me that it's coming from

some other place other than our own

minds and our own research the

government either officially in some

capacity has some contact and continuing

contact with alien races or

interdimensional whatever these

creatures are and they're probably more

advanced than us and we're probably

getting some kind of a trade either

they're trading humans for abductions or

experiment purposes for technology who

knows what kind of you know deal in the

darks being made so yeah I think they

definitely want to keep it under wraps

and it kind of you know we're alone in

the universe and we went to the moon and

we weren't asked to leave the moon and

the space program and all our modern

science and Columbus discovered America

and all that it's all predicated on what

we know in our science and I think when

you introduce aliens not to mention

religion and God there's a lot of

questions that come up if you suddenly

acknowledge aliens existed and they're

more advanced and when you start getting

into

a lot of alien stuff about there seems

to be multiple and even hundreds even

thousands of species of aliens some that

look like insects and some that look

like big Nordic people and some that

look like the little gray aliens and

everything else and some are good for us

some are benign some are evil you know

if you want to some don't have our best

interest in mind so I think it's a big

can of worms for the government

yeah so for 10 or 13 years I was a

director of Investigations from Newfound

Los Angeles

where my job was essentially to go out

and investigate you know UFOs and in

that time period I've

I'm sure I invested over 300 cases you

know obviously a lot of them I was able

to kind of debunk right off the bat you

know but there's enough there

that was really compelling including we

had a case in Pine Mountain which is

about an hour and a half of Los Angeles

to two hours it's a little community

and we had a case where an object was

seen flying above someone's house by

different Witnesses from different

houses on two consecutive nights they

claim they landed in the forest and they

saw occupants

and if it wasn't for the quality of you

know of witnesses I'd be a little

skeptical because we're talking a pretty

far out story are we talking about

occupants but this came from a former uh

correctional officer

and like I said cooperated with a

neighbor that saw it and independently

and not only that but we walked to the

force and found a spot where supposedly

landed notes this big round circular uh

mark on in the middle of this field that

you know was hard to dismiss can

considering the stories we just heard so

normally a sighting would come in

somebody would either uh they would fill

out as a database for me some people

would fill it out and then that gets

funneled into like different sections

around the country where there's

different chapters right and Los Angeles

probably gets the most amount of

sightings just because it's a big you

know it's a big community and stuff

and um so that comes so I get emails I

also get emails about sightings and it

was my job to either sign someone

to do it which rarely there was anybody

else besides me you know occasionally

people would come in for a month or two

and they would quit

and then it was my job to follow up

and um usually you know most people kind

of just make a phone call

you know and then you know fill out the

database and all that but I have a

little more interest in it so I always

always try to go meet with someone so

then you go to the spot you try to go

the same time but they've had their

sighting around the same type of

conditions just in case if it's

something mundane a lot of times you can

see it rather you're like oh look it was

a blimp because it comes around around

that time you know

and then you kind of you know depending

what the case is you kind of go from

there

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I was looking this morning hoping to

find something

it's definitely harder to find good

footage of Bigfoot than it is of UFOs

when it comes to the UFO stuff uh when

you get into cattle mutilations and you

get into places like the Skinwalker

Ranch where they had UFO sightings there

are certain places if you follow my

channel really deep in there I call

places of high strangeness there are

places like Yosemite National Park which

is a missing 4-1-1 missing person

capital of the world hundreds of people

in the last 30 or 40 years have gone

missing in Yosemite National Park lots

and lots of missing people I think in

2017 there was 10 or 12 people that they

never found and I don't mean tripped and

fell or fell down a mountain I mean just

stories of kids kids too

elderly people where they're 15 20 feet

and they go around a rock or around a

corner and then they're never seen again

and found days later in weird

circumstances in these areas we'll have

UFO sighting strange lights in the skies

and then I'll also have Bigfoot

encounters too it seems like they just

get this paranormal you know to me it's

like Bigfoot is 99 well it's probably 80

percent human 19 ape and then one

percent something we don't know

something like if the Paranormal is a

pool it's got its big toe it's kicking

its toes in the Paranormal pool it's not

a paranormal entity it's not like a

ghost or something like that or a demon

but it definitely has that side to them

so there are all sorts of different

theories that I've heard out there that

bigfoots are spies for different alien

species I've heard encounters from

people who've had habituations with

Bigfoot families who where their family

lived on a property for many many years

and their bigfoots that live in the

areas and they would trade with them or

talk with them and even some people

communicate with them learn part of

their language it's out there stories

I've heard though can either confirm or

deny

talk that when bigfoots get to a certain

age they go with the star people

and then they come back I've heard

stories like that

and then there's other stories of people

you know a couple guys out in you know

out in the country drinking beer on

their tailgate and the UFO lands and

bigfoots get out

one of the most exciting aspects of

similarities between ufology and

cryptozoology are associated events

cattle mutilation often you see orbs

people have witnessed lights in the sky

UFOs associated with cattle mutilations

crop circles and Bigfoot sightings as

well encrypted events

so what does that mean if Bigfoot

is nothing more than another ape family

member

in the hominin branch that has yet to be

discovered our cousin you know out there

I've heard a lot of good explanations as

to why we haven't

caught them on camera

but at some point you would think why

why haven't we gotten enough

evidence with hair sampling and DNA

testing to just outright proof that

there's a brand new species I know

there's some good evidence out there

But ultimately with all the

the cameras

no one has caught a Bigfoot really

except for the Patterson film

so what what is Bigfoot doing that keeps

them so elusive

of course we have tracks and that sort

of thing I think I think there might be

something else going on here

I know it it's you know getting a little

bit out there

but the more and more I think about it I

I feel like

the idea that

extraterrestrials as people suspect them

to be are simply these physical nuts and

bolts beings that are coming here

um or that Bigfoot is a physical being

just living in the woods

may not be entirely true

uh it seems to me that Bigfoot has the

ability to slip in and out of detection

far too easily for some mammal that's

just yet to be caught on film

and with extraterrestrials

they too seem to have a will over

physics or reality as we understand it

and can manipulate

uh the world that we see in our five

senses

and slip in and out

of that view as well

and because those two things are

happening and we see events where they

overlap

maybe just maybe

um

these are these are beings that are

Beyond

uh just biological

here's the problem a lot of people have

with that and here's the problem a lot

of people have and I seem to be

defending those people who believe these

things are real without question now and

I'm not really doing that but here here

is something I will say I guess in their

defense

we are curious by Nature

what we have to be careful is is that we

don't automatically assume we know the

answers and project that answer on the

research if someone comes knocking at my

door at two o'clock in the morning

immediately I think uh oh something's

wrong or that could be somebody trying

to rob me that's a different supposition

than oh I just saw something walk by my

window oh that could have been a ghost

or a Bigfoot

that's an immediate conclusion that

you've projected

the proper way to handle that is well I

wonder what that was or I wonder who it

was so you turn on your lights maybe you

go to another window and investigate and

if you never figure out what or who it

was you don't immediately project an

answer without any evidence and that's

what a lot of people do

on the flip side of that that gets

people in trouble and that's what makes

this group of people so anti or are

drastically opposed to the investigation

and pursuit in the first place they look

at those people who are very

misdirected and have good intentions but

are very misdirected and they say well

that's the that's the standard of

reference for people who believe in

mysterious things or want to go out in

pursuit in search of the unknown well in

reality that's not that's not true

those people who just automatically

assume that you know this is all Bonkers

it's good to be a skeptic but it's not

good to be a cynic

don't be cynical just be skeptical

that's why I like Joe Nichol people hate

that guy has a PHD I believe in English

from the University of Kentucky and

works for an organization that pretty

much goes out and debunks things I

respect Joe Nichol because he applied

doesn't make fun of anybody he applies

that scientific inquiry and integrity to

the question

and he really wants to know the answer

to the question but he's not going to

immediately assume that it was Bigfoot

an alien Loch Ness the Nessie from Loch

Ness or ghost or a demon he doesn't jump

to those conclusions

there are other people however who are

so close-minded they don't even want to

investigate Joe will investigate

because it requires them to reorganize

their world view see we all have a

worldview

and if we were to find out if we were to

have an an experience

if we were to go hiking through the

woods and come upon one of these

creatures if they exist

and it's incontrovertible proof to us

and we are looking eye to eye

at this creature

and we live to tell about it we have to

then reorganize our entire world view

and just it's off it's fascinating I

mean bigfoots are given and so all you

got to do is find one I just don't know

if you're gonna do it on Bigfoot Hunters

you know eventually though

eventually we'll all wake up I would

think if you look at it for more of a

scientific hard fact if you accept the

possibility of alien life if you then

want to make the leap to people are

seeing UFOs in UFO means unidentified

flying object it just doesn't

necessarily mean alien it just means we

don't know what it is

and if you take the other leap and want

to go and yeah I believe aliens visit

the earth I believe you know the crash

at Roswell and the government cover-up

and and you believe that you know on

occasion you know these alien species

want to do abduct people for whatever

reason nefarious are good they want to

do experiments on us they want to

collect our DNA they want to study us

just like amazingly oh why would aliens

want to take people and study them what

do we do when we go study species as

humans as biologists

we tranquilize them we tag them we radio

collar them we take their height we take

their weight we check their teeth we

checked their claws and then we release

them back in the wild we do it every day

with bears and mountain lions and

coyotes and Badgers and gorillas and

chimpanzees and crocodiles and

everything else

so it would make sense to me if I was an

alien life form and I wanted to study

Earth for whatever reason and I was

abducting people what are these very

large hairy people that hide out in the

woods maybe I'm going to abduct them too

maybe they are genetically

manipulated by an ancient civilization

that's a theory about them maybe they're

genetically manipulated by aliens maybe

some ancient civilization tens of

thousands 20 30 000 years ago had some

advanced technology maybe we're not the

only ones that ever had what we call

technology

maybe they had influences from Aliens

there's all sorts of theories on where

their creation could be some of their

more paranormal abilities some of the

sightings of people like there's been a

lot of reports I've talked to people

from military bases who worked on

military bases as MPS and stuff and they

would see UFOs sightings all the time

and it was always don't ask don't tell

you didn't see anything but they also

had a lot of Bigfoot encounters too

Bigfoot's coming up to the fence and the

lights would flicker for a second into

bigfoots on the inside of the fence

strange stuff you know and the guards on

the perimeter are like yeah we see

bigfoots yep we see UFOs like it's a

weird ass world out there you know and

these are soldiers these are people you

know they don't have anything to gain

you know actually most a lot of people

want to remain anonymous because you

have everything to lose by talking about

Bigfoot

so there's definitely a connection there

what it is no one can definitively say

if I ever get abducted by aliens I'm

going to ask them you know hey before

you guys you know do your thing what's

the deal with Bigfoot is that you guys

or is that another tribe available or

species of aliens is uh what's going on

with that you know

and see we have as humans always been at

the top of the food chain

you know we're supposed to be the

smartest species I question that every

day but

if you come face to face with a bipedal

creature that stands about eight and

eight or nine feet tall and is smart

enough to have evaded detection and

capture

and live in the areas and the

environments that they live in just fine

then we have to reorganize our world

view

a certain portion of the UFO Community

which is it's a growing portion too it's

pretty big

think that space force was specifically

announced

because of the alien presence and UFOs

you know

and that you know the the White House

you know Trump and Pence and all that

are in in on the secret and they're

secretly fighting you know aliens you

know on the moon or whatever starting

right here

and right now because this moment is

your moment it belongs to you

I don't buy that at all personally and

I'm okay with the space force thing you

know I'm not a fan of thinking military

first in terms of space exploration

versus scientific exploration so that

bothers me a little bit but I'm okay

with it but

it's just that's not how any of this

works now you know whether you like

Trump or not regardless I I don't care

but that's not present isn't going to be

in the know

not a gas from the outside of the if

anybody knows it's someone that's

involved in the military-industrial

complex you know and that would be maybe

Bush would be the last the Father Bush

would be the last guy maybe that would

be in the know

I don't think necessarily presidents

know the whole story and certainly

they're not going to create a whole

space for us just to fight aliens I mean

that sounds like fantasy to me you know

yeah I think of all the presidents the

you know the older Bush I has really

talked about UFOs if ever but I think it

makes sense in terms of he was a CIA guy

those guys you know have aren't going to

talk they're in it for life you know and

if anybody out of the president's from

from baby Bush to Clinton to Trump is

going to know anything he would be the

guy but it would be the last guy I would

expect to actually talk about it you

know I think it's so compartmentalized

and it's such a need to know basis that

so few people know the whole story I

don't think I need a presence

certainly not the vice presidents or you

know it's become very popular now right

for someone that's running for president

they're like well I'm going to disclose

I'm gonna look into the alien thing I

see these articles or this post on

Facebook almost daily now it's just not

the way it works you know

with Jimmy Carter reporting

some years later he didn't immediately

do it but several years later when he

reported the UFO it went into the annals

of History it is now a documented UFO

Reporting again that is a scientific

term if I were to walk outside my front

door and see a bright red glowing object

in the sky that I couldn't identify as a

plane or the Goodyear blimp which I I

don't understand I don't think it would

ever glow in the orange if I have no

evidence to contrary then I'm just going

to say there was an unidentified object

flying in the sky above my home that's a

scientific explanation of the unknown

it's it you know at that moment that it

was a flying and it was B unidentified

and you can identify say the location

that's the best you can do those are all

very accurate statements so what Jimmy

Carter did he brought an air of

credibility to the reporting but Jimmy

Carter was and still is at 96 years oh a

very credible individual I surmised he

lost the presidency in 1980 to Ronald

Reagan because he was just too honest

and that's what we've got to have that

that is one thing we've got to look for

when we do research into the unknown and

we try to we try to resolve these issues

and solve Mysteries you have to look for

the more credible

the more reliable resources and reports

you have to and that's why it's so

important to know the people reporting

these phenomena

the other major difference between

ufology and cryptozoology is the

evidence

cryptozoology doesn't have nearly as

much supportive evidence

compared to ufology and I know that

Ruffles some feathers yes there are uh

Footprints yes we have some sampling yes

we have

some video not really the best in

general

but

nephology has a rich history

all the way back to the 1947 Nathan

Twining memo Lieutenant General Nathan

20.

openly in his report

speculating that Kraft witnessed by

pilots and and military personnel

could possibly be something that's

off-world and there's a rich history all

the way through a numerous public and

secretive projects

um regarding the investigation of UFOs

and that leads all the way through

Project Blue Book up until the atip

program

and so you combine that with the number

of eyewitnesses who are pilots and

military personnel that have come

forward over the years

uh coronal Colonel Philip Corso I mean

controversial as he may be

you know there's a rich history there

people saying look I've worked behind

the scenes

um and this is what happened this is

what I saw

and so when the government is spending

so much time energy and resource and

money into investigating UFOs

um

there must be something there

whereas with cryptozoology you just

don't have that

um

you know I guess

I guess if the government thought that

Cryptids were more of a

um

National Security

threat then they would maybe investigate

those things I don't know

um

you know we had

we had psychic programs

only because you know for remote viewing

only because the Russians were doing

this so

would we have ever looked into

um

using psychics to remote view unless the

Russians were doing it so that's a

national security issue right there so

that's the only reason I could think

that maybe the government would

investigate

that the problem is so many Cryptids

um get mixed and there's a cross over

effect between imagine Pure Imagination

of

you know creatures from our mythologies

to actual

creatures that have been eyewitnessed

or blurly caught on camera

so there's just I

I support

actually spending more time and energy

and money into investing Cryptids and I

think that there's a lot more that can

be done and I think that in ufology

there's just been way more Collective

resource put into the investigation from

civilians and the government and

institutions and Academia in general

there's just not nearly as much effort

investigating

cryptozoology so that's a whole other

door that I think that that should be

opened

well in terms of my favorite evidence

for UFO sightings is probably my own

sighting which I had as a kid

it was I was about I was age 10. yeah I

lived right here in Los Angeles and

we're hanging out by the pool with my

mom and I believe it was a hairdresser

it was throughout the time you know so

hang out by the pool probably maybe

eating something getting some drinks it

was pretty late well I wasn't drinking

not go August you know I was 10 but

but and then all of a sudden we saw this

big light that kind of came down and

hovered above us about 30 feet above our

heads above the pool uh completely

silent uh about you know 30 foot across

about three foot up in the air so about

30 by 30. and I'd say they're selling

and it kind of either blinked off or

took off you know three of us saw it

and

so after seeing something like that even

at age 10 and you know as you get older

you kind of go back and you're like well

maybe I misunderstood what I saw was a

helicopter or whatever but you know I

still ask my mom once in a while and

to me I just can't deny what I saw so

from that standpoint that's by far the

most believable you know UFO

um event otherwise I mean you know you

look through history there's that

there's a lot of anything that has to do

with like fighter pilots or airline

pilots that cufos are obviously very

believable because they're trained up

server I even interviewed us uh pilot

that was an Air France ballad and uh he

was 747 at the time pilot he told me

that he used to see UFOs

pretty regularly in cross-atlantic

flights and he's like I'm going to be

honest with you he's like a lot of us

have seen him he showed me a map in fact

of where all the sightings took place

from like various Pilots that he

interviewed and it was like it was

filled it was filled he had all these

dots everywhere

and he's like we all see him we all know

they're there but

you know we don't lose our job so we

don't talk about it you know so that

kind of evidence obviously you know

extremely compelling and I was reading

this this article from a science website

a credible science website where they've

recently found evidence that there could

possibly be a life-sustaining planet in

or planets in other systems that we're

kind of to a point now where we're

almost ready to accept that that is a

distinct possibility

so if that's a distinct possibility and

we've done really well in this on this

planet then there is certainly

um there's certainly the possibility

that life is developed quicker and more

intelligently and more technologically

advanced in other systems who are trying

to contact us I have never seen any

evidence of that but I keep a very open

mind that doesn't

that doesn't really scare me

so most people will tell you that with

uf4 settings it's pretty random but I

don't believe that's the case now

granted a lot of them are pretty random

you know because it occurs all over the

world right but there's definitely

specific areas around the world that

have a long history of sightings

and there's still current there's a

Kazakhstan

for whatever reason hot in the middle of

nowhere there's a lot of sightings

Siberia in the United States you have

the St Louis mountains St Louis Valley

I'm sorry which is in Southern Colorado

which had sightings

for generations and until and still

today you have a plethora of sightings

you have Kettle mutilations a lot of

related phenomena in a very in a smaller

geographical area and I think that we

don't spend enough time going to those

spots that have a long history of

sightings

so you get to a point where your

research with Bigfoot where you've read

the books you watch the documentaries

and you're like I want more

and then you start looking in the UFO

world you start looking in not just

Bigfoot but the bigger cryptological

umbrella and you start realizing all

across the United States I mean my

primary research is in the United States

but all over the world you're like parts

of the United States they're seeing a

goat man parts of the United States like

in Loveland Ohio they're seeing a giant

frog man so yeah I think you get to a

certain level with your Bigfoot research

where you almost have to start looking

at the bigger cryptos illogical umbrella

you have to start looking at the

Paranormal side of it what are ghost

hunters experiencing what are they doing

what are the UFO people doing how do

they conduct their investigations what

do they do with Witnesses what problems

do they have and you realize you're all

kind of it's different subjects but you

have all the same issues

what I enjoy most about both

cryptozoology and uthology honestly is

the camaraderie the people in those

communities are just so enjoy having

conversations with them and working

together

um with them

there's a lot of

support

and um

and I think that might come from the

fact that

often people I think see those of us who

are interested

in these fields as a little off

um maybe like we have disassociative

associative disorders or something

um or that we're sad and uneducated and

um

and that's really unfair

in fact

there's a lot of very smart people that

are investigating these things and we

have a sense of humor about this stuff

too

um you know we get it that that we're

discussing things that are like just

totally out there

um but that's okay that's part of the

fun of it as well and uh and I think

that you know because you can be judged

harshly for having these sort of

interests that in a way it almost brings

you together and

um it causes you to have some sort of uh

empathy for each other

um a connection that sense of belonging

to a tribe

as it were uh and that you know that we

will be there to support and um defend

each other

you know a lot of people talk about

disclosure but they're waiting on this

like almost like on this Messiah to give

you disclosure and it's not going to

happen you know obviously I mean every

year it's like this is going to be the

year you know I think we should be

focusing a lot more on being proactive

and hitting those areas that a lot of

people want to go into you know instead

of reacting you know be proactive which

is

in the sense the same way we do Bigfoot

research where I try to be proactive go

and get the evidence and found you know

Bigfoot ourselves and I think whatever

strange you know phenomena or modalities

you're dealing with I think that should

be the approach

are they are they are they meat eaters I

would think right and what Hana bear

go tackle a bear

cook them up I don't know if I was a

Bigfoot hunter the first thing I would

be going after is well what is this you

know let's do some let's spend some real

quality time researching what we think

this thing eats and

and go where the food is follow the

money

like Bigfoot so when you go research

Bigfoot in the field now occasionally

it'll be just like a UFO saying when

you'll get a sightings report somewhere

in an area and you can follow up on it

but a lot of times a lot more remote

than a UFO setting so it's very hard to

get out there you know in time you know

and it costs money and time and all that

the crossover between Cryptids

and extraterrestrials

UFOs

is that there's this meeting of the

tangible and intangible

and I love that Nexus where both of

those worlds meet

um our understanding of time space is

expanding our understanding of the very

structure of the nature of reality is

almost getting looser and more

interesting it's expanding as well

and that means there are just

perhaps infinite possibilities

and so if we imagine something to be

real

if we imagine

that we can Traverse the cosmos and be

at the another part of the Galaxy within

just a few minutes

if we can imagine that

Consciousness exists

everywhere almost simultaneously

if science teases that all these things

are possible

that there are multiple dimensions

then of course

why couldn't there be Cryptids

walking side by side living right

amongst us and we have no clue that that

to me is fun it's like I it's just fun I

know it sounds kind of ridiculous but

it's fun

that makes life really interesting and I

don't need it to make

life interesting for me to to be happy

or to be content

um

but it's like science right uh reading

the latest news in science the latest

Discovery to me that's fun I love it

so that Nexus where all those worlds

meet

is probably the most exciting thing

about

cryptozoology and ufology there's too

many uh eyewitnesses and it's you know

they're hard to take a picture of

because they're you know shy of people

I was just watching something this

morning and where they took a print of a

well we got a baby Bigfoot and like pour

the mold and everything

and they're talking about how the toes

were spread out different than our toes

are

pushed in because we wear shoes all the

time and they're like this is this is

the evidence of that and it's pretty

interesting but ultimately I think that

both Fields encourage us to say yes take

a look behind the veil and see what's

there that's exciting there's a buzz

there

and living in that mystery

um I think gives one a sense of

connection to something bigger than

themselves and because these fields are

for the most part non-dogmatic meaning

unlike a religion or something right

there there are not

a set of rules that someone says You

must abide by this you must believe this

you can have that spiritual search

through these Mysteries without anybody

saying

um your

spiritual belief or your

um sense of wonder

or your curiosity

is inherently evil or wrong or bad I

find it really freeing and um

you know even if we find out something

is not true

that's okay I'm glad that we went on

this journey together I'm glad to be a

part of the community and the people out

there who do this

um you know it's for me ultimately it's

all about

peace and love and harmony and

um compassion and empathy and caring

about each other

and the Paranormal world is a playground

that says you don't have to have all

these boundaries that institutions or

governments or your local culture or

societies are history has said that you

have to abide by

um

it's like in The Big Lebowski when the

when the booth dude says the Dude abides

he's not abiding by the rule of society

right he's abiding

by something bigger and it means not

taking everything so damn seriously all

the time

that sometimes you've just gotta let go

go with the flow and enjoy and um for me

that's what the Paranormal is it's

really just letting go and enjoying what

discoveries or stories I might find

along the way gosh I would think there

it's it's always been around it goes

back to the uh there's a fascinating

thing with the Cherokee Indians and that

they would uh put like grains or

something at the edge of their camp and

the to feed them and they would come up

and take them and

and go back into the woods and it was

like their peace offering and they would

protect them and that's there's no I

mean Indian there's no reason to doubt

any of that you know and they probably

have are more

able to see um because they're less

fearful of them than the standard him

especially like a Bigfoot hunter get out

of here

I mean you know you know you good luck

seeing one or you could bring in your

gun too they're like no way I can smell

the gunfire I'm out of here I'm not

gonna get shot

but I it's I don't know yeah and why

don't why haven't maybe there has been

one in captive

there's no reason to think there

wouldn't be but I wouldn't think he'd be

that happy about it

and I don't know is there a female

there's got to be female Bigfoot too

right

so the UFO world's a much bigger

Paradigm and you know if you think about

it a UFO sighting can occur anywhere in

the world and there's a lot more

interesting people report those a lot

more versus the Bigfoot phenomena you

have to have very specific geographical

area for SPC to live

so I think from that standpoint you're

naturally going to have a lot more

interest and a lot of more people

talking about UFOs and aliens and

and I think people are naturally more

interested in the whole UFO thing

because it's about it's about the future

it's about going out in space and what's

out there in a bigger picture you know

Bigfoot doesn't seem quite of his big

story from that standpoint so I think

there's much less interest than Bigfoot

than there is you know and you have

fallen aliens

they are a community

they may be a diverse Community there

may be some let's not kid ourselves that

there aren't some fairly crazy people

involved in cryptozoology and in ufology

let's not kid ourselves that there

aren't some charlatans and fraudsters in

in both these communities but

essentially most of the people are

involved whether they're Witnesses or

whether they're researchers are

sincere dedicated individuals who are

intrigued by a mystery and want to push

the boundaries of human knowledge and

rightly so and that's what being human

and being intelligent should be about

pushing those boundaries asking those

questions trying to expand

the the sum of all human knowledge and

if that takes us into some difficult

uncomfortable territories well you know

that's how we maybe make big advances

through adversity you know investigating

the Paranormal

it's like the light on the hill that

you're sort of looking out to

um it's not necessarily that that light

is the answer although maybe you will

find the answer to the big questions and

I love asking the big questions

but it's the journey and so going

towards the light meaning

what is out there what is in the

distance what's behind the veil that we

don't quite see

but we if we keep going that way we'll

get answers along the way

that's exciting because hopefully we do

learn about ourselves and I think I

think we do I think we become more

accepting and loving and tolerant people

and forget tolerance accepting people

because we're entering this weird world

where

anything seems to be possible and I

think that if you're going in with that

mindset then

for the most part there are exceptions

to this rule your your brain is more

elastic you know you're able to adapt to

new ideas to keep an open mind and that

is is the core of the euphological and

cryptological uh community

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