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Mr. Jeffs,
did you rape those two girls?
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Mr. Jeffs?
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The trial was of Warren Jeffswas as bizarre
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as anythingI have ever seen
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because, at one point,
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they played the audio.
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Warren Jeffshad recorded himself
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basically committing
statutory rape
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against one of these
little girls.
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His creepy voicebasically
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grooming hermoments before
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he was about tosexually assault her.
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It was stunning.
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This little timid voice
responding to him.
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It was probablya really good thing
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that there were all thesebig Texas Rangers
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in that courtroom
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because I thinkthat jury would'vejumped across the railing
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and killed him
with their bare hands.
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So anxious for HeavenlyFather's spirit to guide me
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and all of youcan receive the truth.
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Osama bin Ladenand eight other men
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were joined on theFBI's Most Wanted List
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by Warren Jeffs.
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Prophet Warren Jeffs
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is considered one ofthe most sinister
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polygamists of his time.
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I think he had 78 wives.
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Young girls no morethan 12 or 13 years old.
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My dad is a pedophile.
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I had tried so hard
to protect my children.
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I think he's a sociopath.
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He was able to convince
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15,000 people
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that he wasJesus Christ to them.
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I love him,
I know that he loves me.
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The level of blind obedience
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is staggering.
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It is a complete
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church-run state.
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If there were
a Taliban of America,
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I would say this is it.
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The church and Warren
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controlled everything.
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He's eitherthe mouthpiece of God
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or the mostevil person on Earth.
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Everybody deserves
to know the truth.
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And it will shock the world,the evidence that comes out.
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Mr. Jeffs,
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should your followers
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still consider you
a prophet?
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Warren Jeffs
is a monster.
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Hello, everybody.
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Wonderful to see you.
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- You all fit in.
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I remember Fathertelling me once,
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"There's two things
a man loves...
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women and power."
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And he says,
"But they love power more."
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Which position's better?
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No, this is fine.
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You don't need to lean over,
that's fine.
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I can see them.
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- Do you see me?
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Warren Jeffs wasa special kind of predator.
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He learned how to control
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and manipulate people
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to the point thatthey couldn't see
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the real him.
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He has co-opted
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the religious faithof believers
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and manipulated
and maintained his power
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over them in a way
that satisfies
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whatever personalpleasure he gets.
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I see him as both
a narcissist
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and a sociopath.
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There is this grandiose
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false sense of self.
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And other people tend to bekind of objects to him.
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There's been people who'vestood in front of trains,
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shot themselves,poisoned themselves
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because of Warren's
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ability to decimate
their lives.
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The man has blood
on his hands.
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He's as guilty as if he had
put the gun to someone's head
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and pulled the trigger.
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This story of Warren Jeffs
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has to be told
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because the values,
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the virtues of good people
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has been marched through
and destroyed.
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A lot of people ask,
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"How did Warren dowhat he did?"
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And it stems
fear.
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And Warren became a master
at commanding fear.
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Well, thank you,
that was a privilege.
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In many ways, Warren Jeffs wassort of the anointed prince.
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Came from
this prominent family,
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Rulon Jeffsand Merilyn Steed.
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Rulon Jeffs, the businessman,
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he was just
focused on his job
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and he was
very well-scriptured,
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and he was a no-nonsensekind of person,
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and he didn't like jokes,
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and he didn'tlaugh at them.
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And, you know, he was justone of those kind of guys.
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He was really tough.
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I think that he
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lived a life of shutting
the outside world out.
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He had great bigconcrete walls around his home
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in Salt Lake.
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By and large,the Jeffs were reclusive.
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So Grandfather Rulon ended upmarrying a lot of women,
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but they didn't alllive in the same house
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until my father
was 14 years old.
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That's when all the familiescame together
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and lived under one roof.
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I know he hada lot of struggles
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as a familycoming together.
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Warren is
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the son of a polygamist,
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which means you have
a lot of competition
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for your father's affection,
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You have to stand out,
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and Warren wasn'treally remarkable.
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My understanding
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was that Warren Jeffs
was a nerd.
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Smart,really liked technology,
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but awkward.
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He didn't havea lot of education
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when it came to sexuality,
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or growing,
or how his body would change.
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Being raised in a large family,
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you have lots of kidswithout adult supervision
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and you havea lot of access to
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really complicatedsituations where
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you have maybe a half-sister
that you weren't raised with
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and all of a sudden,
you're 13 and you see this
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cute girl,and she's your half-sister,
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but you're not quite surewhat the rules are.
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When Warren was a boy,
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all the women and children
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would put paperover the windows,
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towels under the doors
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because Warren was a voyeur.
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He had learnedhow to peek in
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on the girlschanging their clothes.
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Warren would have been around
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some family members who,
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the rumors are,
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that their families
were known for...
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sexual abuse.
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My wife has a master's degreein psychology,
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and she tells meall the time that
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an individual that
ends up like Warren
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usually has had it done to him
in some way.
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There is a lot ofspeculation on that
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I don't know how you wouldtell that for sure.
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I do believe,
I believe he probably was.
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I believe there was a lot ofunhealthy sexual
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desires and questionsand problems that were swirling
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within that family.
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I thinknot having an education
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and maybe beingvictimized himself
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really added
onto the fact
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that he turned around
and became a perpetrator.
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Warren molestedmany of his sisters.
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The three
that I had married,
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he had molested
all three of them.
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Would you tell usyour full name
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and the communityin which you reside?
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Lorraine Jeffs Johnson.
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"This first couple of times,
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you took me into your roomdownstairs..."
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Do you rememberthat happening?
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Yes.
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"Another time,taking me into the bathroom
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by the backdoor.
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You took offyour clothes and mine
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and you asked if I wantedto see what makes babies."
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Do you rememberthat happening?
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Yes.
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Was this againwhen you were about 14?
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It could've even beenin my 15th year.
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I remember thinking,
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"Do all my brothers do thisto all my sisters?
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Was this a common thing?"
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I didn't know,
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I was never taughtone way or the other.
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Whatever Warren
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it seems to me that shame
is a huge element there.
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And I think he triedto make sense of it.
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And so, he studiedand read Mormon theology,
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spent hours lookingfor old Mormon documents,
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trying to reconcilethat shame...
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with God.
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The religious studies
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must've made him feel good.
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It made him feel like
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he was beinga good person.
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And I thinkhe tried to deny
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what he was becoming.
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He was looking for himselfoutside himself.
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That probablylimited his own
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real,deep self-awareness.
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He was blindedin many ways
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to his own impulsesand thinking
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that later come up and begin
to create problems for him.
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He felt like that he was
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not accountable at allto anybody.
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That he was justaccountable to God.
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Then that put this thing
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I think it wasthe beginning
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of big trouble.
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In our religion,
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we had a prophet.
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And he was the one man on Earthwho was God to us.
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For many generations,
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any logic or any reasoningor thinking,
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these were slowlyweeded out,
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all under the nameof religion.
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I look back on it and Warren did
not just appear out of nowhere.
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An entire societycreated him.
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They all prepared the pathwaythat he came on.
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This story started longbefore Warren Jeffs
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That community has been
operating, basically,
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in the same fashionfor generations.
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Father very much tookinspiration from Joseph Smith.
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He always told us
that he was here
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to continue Joseph Smith's work
in the Earth.
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And I know that he was probably
his role model.
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The story goes that
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Joseph Smith saw himself
as restoring
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things from Bible.
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Abraham had more than one wife
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and several othersin the Old Testament
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had more than one wife.
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And so that's when the Lord
made known to them
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that it was
a celestial principle
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and that it was somethingthat they should do.
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Some Mormons believe that
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if you have three wives,
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you can goto the lower level
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of the highestlevel of Heaven.
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If you have five wives,you go into the middle level.
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And seven, seven or more,gets you into
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the highest levelof the celestial kingdom.
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Joseph Smithhad about 30, 33 wives.
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Was very controversial,
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even in the early days
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When we have to abandon
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this idea of polygamy,
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there are stillthousands of people
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that are livingthis principle.
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What do you dowith those people?
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They don't just,like, disappear
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because the churchsays it's over.
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Some ofthe plural families then
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were going to Mexico
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so that they wouldhopefully get away from
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the legal persecution.
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And some of the people went towhat now is called Short Creek.
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They have to go on this exodus
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into the wilderness.
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Short Creek
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They've got big
vermillion cliffs on one side,
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Grand Canyon
on the other side.
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It's the perfect placeto hide out.
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They went to isolated places
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so they could continuewhat is the most fundamental
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and most important practice
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plural marriage.
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And thislittle dusty town
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morphed into the center
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of the practice of polygamy
in America, and certainly
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the most dramatic example of,in essence,
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a small cult calledthe FLDS Church.
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The only way thatthe fundamentalists
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could hold their religion,
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they had to go into very
isolated places.
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And that's part of the contextfor Warren Jeffs.
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Isolation worked fora long time for this community,
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but it becameextremely difficult
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to maintain.
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In 1953, there was a raid
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with law enforcement comingfrom Arizona on one side
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and from Utah
on the other side
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to get this community
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and shut downplural marriage.
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It was against the law.
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My father was
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a 15-year-old boy
in the time of the raid.
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And so he saw a lot ofthe emotional trauma
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that was involvedin that raid.
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At the time,Leroy Johnson,
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who was theFundamentalist Mormon leaderthere in Short Creek,
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his announcement tothe Arizona Law Enforcement is,
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"These sands
will drink our blood
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before we're gonna
give up our principles."
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After the raid of '53,
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the people were taughtto really live in secret.
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In fact,my second mother,
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she never came out
of the house in the daylight
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for 11 years.
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They end up having extremetrust for each other
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and very little trustfor anybody else
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because it was them
against us, basically.
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"Life" magazinepublished a bunch of pictures.
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The fallout
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was very negative
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about families
being torn apart.
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It was apublic relations disaster.
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Arizona and Utahwere burned so badly
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that, for the most part,
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they looked the other wayfor years.
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The fallout from all of that
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basically inoculatedthe FLDS community
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from any outside interferenceor involvement
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for decades.
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And in that vacuum,
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I have always argued
that Warren Jeffs
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was a historic
inevitability.
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The first time I remember
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interactingwith Warren Jeffs,
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I was maybeeight or nine.
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And we wereclimbing the trees.
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I was sitting up
on a branch
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and he's very tall.
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And he come up and was standing
there talking to us
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looking up at us
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and he's running his hand
up my leg
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underneath my dress.
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Warren Jeffswas absolutely
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abusing childrenfrom the get-go.
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Soon after Warren Jeffs
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graduatedfrom high school,
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he became the principal
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of what's called
the "Alta Academy,"
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where the FLDS kids livingin the Salt Lake City area
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went to school.
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And they were taught areligious curriculum
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and Warren Jeffswas made the principal
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at age 17 or 18.
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His father feltthis was a preparation
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for him for bigger things.
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And Warren took
that opportunity.
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And so a young generation
grew up knowing him
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and seeing himas their leader.
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Stand up and stretch,
please.
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- Stretch time.
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Your own strength.
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He used the Alta Academy
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and all of the students
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as a meansof perfecting
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his ability
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to control people.
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Warren Jeffs became
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obsessed in trying
to enforce
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such extreme dress codes
and the like.
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Having 'em stand on a chairto measure
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the length of the hem.
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And so obsessed with
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the color red,that nobody could wear red.
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He had a cravingfor power.
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We learned later
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after getting out of there
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of scary things that he
put those young people through.
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You have this incredible power
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and was grooming them
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for his later pleasure.
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I trust todayI'm talking to young ladies
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who are morespiritually minded.
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Ahead of you is the testof how you will get married.
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Let the Lord reveal
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the manthat you belong to.
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He used scriptures
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and doctrine in theology
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to groom his victims.
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And I think thatthat was
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more probably for Warren.
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He neededa scriptural basis
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for doing it.
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What I noticed about him
is that he--
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my older sister was very,
like, favored by him
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a lot,
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but he didn'tever notice me.
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I mean,he acted like he didn't.
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But I knew he did.
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He called in six ofmy sisters and brothers,
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00:19:58,265 --> 00:19:59,632
and skipped me.
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I'm just like,
"Yeah, right."
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You knew thatI was the only one
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you didn't call on.
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There was no waythat you just
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didn't notice me at all,
you know?
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And I knew
it was a tactic.
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He knew exactlywhat he was doing,
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he preparingthe young brides.
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And, as he rose
in power and prominence,
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he got to pick the ones
that he wanted.
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That was likehis training ground,
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he could setup
anybody he wanted to,
403
00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:30,997
go after
anybody he wanted to,
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and molestanybody he wanted to.
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And in the meantime,he's starting to have
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his own family.
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00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:50,016
As the principal's daughter,
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Father required usto be a good example
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to the rest of the childrenin the school.
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There was always some kind
of spiritual teaching
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to help us
become better people.
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As a child,we had a lot of fun times
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with Father.
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00:21:07,534 --> 00:21:09,769
He sang with us a lot.
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00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:16,476
He made it a point to
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take timewith his children.
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00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:20,012
He was there for us.
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00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,914
Most of us were
pretty close to him.
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There was a lot ofthe wives having children,
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00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:31,491
and so therewas always babies.
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And we'd have a line of five
or six high chairs at least.
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00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:38,798
It was very lively.
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00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:41,000
I would give anything nowto just spend a day with my mom
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weeding a flower bed.
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00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:45,672
Most of my memories here
are actually quite fond.
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00:21:45,705 --> 00:21:49,842
There was a wonderful,fun, religious
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00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:53,480
- yearning-for-us-to-be-good
- people side of him.
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00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,848
And yet,I also got to experience
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00:21:55,882 --> 00:21:59,786
that he had a weakness.
430
00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:04,123
I was at eight years oldwhen he started his abuse.
431
00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:05,558
It was like...
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00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:09,396
he was just
two different people.
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00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:13,400
He had taken me
in one of the bathrooms
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00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,802
and he had said...
435
00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,670
he had said,
"Don't ever do this."
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He was trying to teach meto never touch myself.
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00:22:21,641 --> 00:22:22,909
And then, at that point,
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00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,977
I can't clearly remember
439
00:22:25,044 --> 00:22:28,681
if he exposed himselfto me
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00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:31,951
or if he touched me.
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00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:35,688
I just remember there wassome sexual contact
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00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:38,758
and I was so confused.
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00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:42,161
I knew as a childthat he was doing wrong.
444
00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:45,532
And he also would tell mehe was doing wrong.
445
00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:48,435
It was likehe couldn't help himself.
446
00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:51,771
I don't think he wanted
to be that way, but he was.
447
00:22:51,838 --> 00:22:53,139
'Cause most of the time,
I mean,
448
00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:54,674
I would always just think,
449
00:22:54,707 --> 00:22:57,009
"Oh, Father won't
be like that anymore."
450
00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:58,077
But then it would
happen again.
451
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,150
From a young age,they teach, you know, the boys
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00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:06,886
that we're supposed togrow up and be men.
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Women are inferior
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00:23:08,788 --> 00:23:10,790
so we can'tconfess to women,
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00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:14,794
so I couldn't talkto my mom about it.
456
00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:18,798
I never thought that it wasanybody's fault but my own.
457
00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:21,200
It was always my fault...
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00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:23,703
in my mind.
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00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:25,938
Everybody felt likehe was a very good person.
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00:23:25,972 --> 00:23:29,709
He was very good
with his words and teaching,
461
00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:31,678
and explaining the gospel.
462
00:23:31,711 --> 00:23:35,047
His abusive side wasso hidden from the church
463
00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:36,148
and the world.
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00:23:36,182 --> 00:23:37,517
And that's why
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00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:41,554
being a victimof his abuse,
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00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:44,757
I knew that nobody wouldbelieve me if I ever told 'em
467
00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:46,626
that he was doing that.
468
00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:50,129
He played his part as a fathervery well and then...
469
00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:52,665
not as an abuser--
I mean, he played his part well
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00:23:52,699 --> 00:23:56,736
as an abuser too,
I should say, but...
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00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:58,938
yeah, there was
two sides to him.
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00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:14,053
We come to third Nephi,chapter 12 now,
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00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:17,690
where the Lord himselfappeared and gave
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00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:20,092
the sinners the law,
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00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:21,928
the keep sweet training.
476
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:24,731
And you will seewe have always been taught
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to keep sweet.
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00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:28,100
The phrase "keep sweet"
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00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:31,037
was a phrase introduced
by Rulon Jeffs,
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00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:32,271
Warren Jeffs' father.
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00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:36,543
"Keep sweet no matter what"
means...
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00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:38,778
always have a smile
on your face.
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00:24:38,845 --> 00:24:41,648
It's the polygamy mask.
484
00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,750
You show to the outside world
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00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:46,052
the happy face.
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00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:48,521
And if you don't,
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00:24:48,555 --> 00:24:49,689
you're isolated,you're shunned,
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00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:51,891
you are locked up.
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00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:53,893
You name it, you get it.
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00:24:53,926 --> 00:24:55,662
Keep sweet mask.
491
00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,264
Look at the eyes, though.
492
00:24:58,297 --> 00:25:03,202
Because the eyes will alwaystell you the truth.
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00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:10,777
It is a communitythat has been frozen in time.
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00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:12,645
They are fundamentalistMormons,
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00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,947
excommunicated fromthe larger Mormon church
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00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:18,150
because they continueto practice polygamy.
497
00:25:24,757 --> 00:25:27,994
After LeRoy Johnson died,
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00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:31,831
there was a dispute as to
who actually the key holder,
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00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,200
meaning the prophet.
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It was supposed to bethat God came to the people
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00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:38,605
and told them.
502
00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:40,607
Well, that never happened.
503
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,777
Rulon Jeffs wasLeRoy Johnson's accountant.
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00:25:44,811 --> 00:25:48,280
He saw an opportunityto grasp the mantle.
505
00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:51,150
He grabbed it with both hands
and ran with it.
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00:25:51,183 --> 00:25:54,721
When Rulon Jeffscame into power,
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00:25:54,754 --> 00:25:56,623
he becamemuch more controlling
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00:25:56,656 --> 00:25:58,791
and so the people
accepted that
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00:25:58,825 --> 00:26:00,326
because that was their role,
510
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,194
they thought that was
the role of a prophet.
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00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:06,298
The prophetcontrols every aspect
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00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:08,801
of life in Short Creek.
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00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:11,604
He controls the land.
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00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:16,242
He controls what you do.
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00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:17,644
He controls,
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00:26:17,677 --> 00:26:19,378
certainly,
who you wed with.
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00:26:19,646 --> 00:26:22,982
When Rulon Jeffswas the prophet,
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00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:25,752
my step-father called meinto his office
519
00:26:25,785 --> 00:26:29,155
and told me, it was timefor me to be married.
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00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:33,860
I was just a child.
521
00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:38,898
We droveto Caliente, Nevada.
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00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,769
They had a hotel there.
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00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:51,243
They took us into this room
524
00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:54,180
and they said, "We're onlygonna do one at a time,"
525
00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:59,218
so the other two of us had togo sit out in the waiting room.
526
00:26:59,251 --> 00:27:01,688
I was just scared.
527
00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:05,357
My sister went next.
528
00:27:05,391 --> 00:27:09,128
And I was the last one
to go in and be married.
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00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:15,802
I was married at 14to my step-brother.
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00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:19,839
But you didn't wanna
disappoint the prophet.
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00:27:25,712 --> 00:27:26,946
Warren's behavior,
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00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,715
in my opinion,
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00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:30,182
is learned behavior.
534
00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:34,053
The mechanicsof what he was able to do
535
00:27:34,086 --> 00:27:38,657
were mimickedfrom his father.
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00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:43,696
I remember my brotherand my sister and my mom
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00:27:43,763 --> 00:27:45,064
would go visit Rulon
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00:27:45,097 --> 00:27:47,066
once a year.
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00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,401
He would sitbehind his desk
540
00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:53,740
with "Keep Sweet" engravedon the bottom of his shoe soles
541
00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:55,742
so that we could see.
542
00:27:55,808 --> 00:27:57,376
Warren in every oneof these meetings,
543
00:27:57,409 --> 00:28:00,713
was always sitting
right to the side of Rulon
544
00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:02,081
with his little notepad.
545
00:28:02,114 --> 00:28:06,085
Warren tookvery meticulous notes.
546
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:09,922
At the time, it was aprotective, favorite son
547
00:28:09,956 --> 00:28:12,725
looking outfor the interests of his dad.
548
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:14,360
Looking back now,
549
00:28:14,426 --> 00:28:16,428
I see itfor what it really was.
550
00:28:16,462 --> 00:28:21,433
The prophet's the mostimportant person on the planet.
551
00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,469
And you might bethe next person
552
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:26,505
who's gonna be thatmost special person.
553
00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,407
That's a prettyhard thing not to
554
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,044
buy into,
it feels very important.
555
00:28:32,078 --> 00:28:34,847
Warren was taking more control.
556
00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:36,849
He was tryingto keep it hidden
557
00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,818
as much as
he possibly could,
558
00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:41,220
but, yes, he was taking more
and more control.
559
00:28:42,855 --> 00:28:45,357
Obey the prophet when he speaks
560
00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,760
and you'll be blessed.
561
00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:49,495
Disobey him,
562
00:28:49,528 --> 00:28:52,131
it is death.
563
00:29:02,942 --> 00:29:04,176
Rulon had had three strokes,
564
00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:05,177
two of those strokes
565
00:29:05,211 --> 00:29:06,946
made him less able
566
00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:10,249
to control his speech,
his ability to
567
00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:11,918
run the church.
568
00:29:11,951 --> 00:29:13,185
They had to walk him in
569
00:29:13,219 --> 00:29:15,354
with assistance.
570
00:29:15,387 --> 00:29:17,023
If you were sittingclose enough
571
00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:20,359
to the front row
of the congregational seating,
572
00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:23,062
you could actually tellthat the man
573
00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:26,899
was essentiallyan empty shell.
574
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,801
As his father became more ill,
575
00:29:28,835 --> 00:29:30,402
Warren was ina position where
576
00:29:30,436 --> 00:29:32,438
Warren's control increased.
577
00:29:32,471 --> 00:29:35,107
There was actually kind of avacuum that was
578
00:29:35,174 --> 00:29:37,009
there for Warren
to step into
579
00:29:37,043 --> 00:29:38,310
and exert
his authority through.
580
00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:40,546
Warren would put a microphone
581
00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:43,149
on a lanyardaround his father's neck
582
00:29:43,182 --> 00:29:46,853
and then ask his father
to speak in church.
583
00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:50,990
Rulon would just stand therefor five, ten minutes
584
00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:52,391
and not say a word.
585
00:29:52,424 --> 00:29:54,493
That was Warrensetting himself up.
586
00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:55,928
He would say
587
00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:59,431
maybe one sentence.
588
00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:04,336
"Listen to Warren
speak my words.
589
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:07,039
Warren is my mouthpiece."
590
00:30:20,219 --> 00:30:21,854
It was a big day.
591
00:30:21,888 --> 00:30:23,322
It was a really big day.
592
00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:26,325
It changed the landscape
of that community.
593
00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:28,327
It changed the whole landscape
of the whole...
594
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,163
effort there.
595
00:30:31,197 --> 00:30:33,265
And you saw thisextraordinary turnout
596
00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:34,566
for the funeral
597
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,636
of Rulon Jeffs.
598
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:40,372
5,000 plus people assembling.
599
00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:43,009
on the overcast day.
600
00:30:45,411 --> 00:30:47,646
Time will tellif there is going to be
601
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:52,251
another leader
like President Jeffs.
602
00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:55,554
It was interesting to see.
603
00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,589
Most all of the speakerswere trying to proclaim
604
00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,058
who the new leader was.
605
00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,527
A funeral is not
the time and place
606
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,362
to do anything like that.
607
00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:06,365
After his father died,
608
00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:09,601
Warren wouldstand up in meetings.
609
00:31:09,635 --> 00:31:12,471
For five minutes, he'd act likehe was standing therelistening,
610
00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:13,672
and then he'd say
611
00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:15,574
what his father
had been telling him
612
00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:19,145
from the other side.
613
00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:21,280
He started telling people that
614
00:31:21,313 --> 00:31:24,550
his father is talking to him
615
00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:27,653
and telling him to takeso and so for wife.
616
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,428
One day, we got up
617
00:31:36,462 --> 00:31:38,931
and there was like sevenof my grandpa's wives
618
00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:40,366
standing rightdown the hall,
619
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,534
outside of my dad's door.
620
00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:44,570
Then he walked
them upstairs
621
00:31:44,636 --> 00:31:46,138
and introduced them
to the whole--
622
00:31:46,172 --> 00:31:47,339
he says,
"These are my wives."
623
00:31:47,373 --> 00:31:50,142
He married 20 wives
624
00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:52,111
from his father.
625
00:31:52,144 --> 00:31:53,412
It was Warren saying,"I'm the boss,
626
00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:55,014
I can do whatever I want,
627
00:31:55,081 --> 00:31:58,584
and nobody better dare
say a word about it."
628
00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:01,620
It was nota traditional situation
629
00:32:01,653 --> 00:32:04,390
for Warren to havethose women marry him.
630
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:07,159
So the alarm bells
were going off.
631
00:32:08,594 --> 00:32:10,296
I know Father's spirit
632
00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:12,498
and I know it isin Uncle Warren.
633
00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:14,166
I do not question it.
634
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,534
He had one of his brothers,
635
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,537
Isaac Jeffsbare their testimony
636
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,007
about howthey had witnessed
637
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,211
Grandfather name my dad
as the next prophet.
638
00:32:25,244 --> 00:32:29,048
Warren is going to bethe next leader of this people.
639
00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:32,551
And he said thatover and over again.
640
00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:34,120
That's kind ofwhen it became known
641
00:32:34,153 --> 00:32:35,287
to the rest of the people
642
00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:36,588
that he was
the next prophet.
643
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,426
This guy is a conniving rat
644
00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:42,294
who seized power.
645
00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:45,297
Nobody was powerfulenough to stand up to him.
646
00:32:45,364 --> 00:32:47,466
Warren Jeffswas the prophet.
647
00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:49,668
The coup was complete.
648
00:32:58,377 --> 00:33:01,713
it's not really quotedin any religious book.
649
00:33:01,747 --> 00:33:04,483
It goes along the lines that,
650
00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:06,685
"When a righteous king rules,
651
00:33:06,718 --> 00:33:09,021
the people rejoice.
652
00:33:09,055 --> 00:33:11,523
When a wicked king rules,
653
00:33:11,557 --> 00:33:13,159
they mourn."
654
00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:21,600
At this pointwithin the FLDS,
655
00:33:21,633 --> 00:33:23,702
the stakes wereincredibly high.
656
00:33:23,735 --> 00:33:26,038
A lot of times
in Warren's preaching,
657
00:33:26,072 --> 00:33:28,640
he would bring the fact that
the world was coming to an end
658
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,543
and that we were
preparing for that end.
659
00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:36,515
To run a cult,you have to keep yourcult followers always in fear
660
00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:39,518
of the outside worldand the impending doom.
661
00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:41,753
"The end is coming,
and get your house in line
662
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,622
and show how faithful
you are to me
663
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:45,391
and do everything
I tell you."
664
00:33:45,424 --> 00:33:48,260
And that's whatbuys obedience.
665
00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:54,733
I feel like, at first,
666
00:33:54,766 --> 00:33:58,237
Father didn't reallyfeel like he was worthy.
667
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:00,539
But when everybodyturned to him,
668
00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:02,374
I think he suddenlywanted it.
669
00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:06,078
And then I think he just started
wanting it more and more.
670
00:34:06,112 --> 00:34:10,816
Warren was enjoyingthe attention thathe was getting.
671
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:12,818
You could tell.
672
00:34:12,851 --> 00:34:14,853
You know, he soon put on
his father's shoes
673
00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:16,688
that had "Keep Sweet"
on the bottom of 'em.
674
00:34:18,624 --> 00:34:19,825
I think what we see
675
00:34:19,858 --> 00:34:21,293
is a great dealof narcissism.
676
00:34:21,327 --> 00:34:25,164
Narcissism is a traitin which
677
00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:30,702
a person develops a grandiosefalse sense of self.
678
00:34:30,736 --> 00:34:33,639
One doesn't have to acknowledge
one's weaknesses,
679
00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:35,341
one always is
above all of that.
680
00:34:42,214 --> 00:34:43,815
Warren was always
681
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:45,451
behind big walls
682
00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:46,752
and gated mansions,
683
00:34:46,785 --> 00:34:49,588
protected by bodyguards.
684
00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:52,824
He was always secretive.
685
00:34:52,858 --> 00:34:54,660
He's very manipulative, like,
686
00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,228
in every way.
687
00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:57,496
He wants to show
he's humble,
688
00:34:57,529 --> 00:34:59,265
but yet he has
this gigantic house.
689
00:35:00,832 --> 00:35:02,334
He wanted people to think
690
00:35:02,368 --> 00:35:04,403
the Lord justgave him everything.
691
00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,684
We lived off the church,we didn't work.
692
00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:22,454
We lived off of tithing...
693
00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:24,390
and contributions
to the church.
694
00:35:29,395 --> 00:35:31,497
At first it was givetheir 10%,
695
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:34,633
but then Warren commandedanother $500
696
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,602
on top of that.
697
00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:39,438
And that 500 jumpedto about a 1,000.
698
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:42,174
Then that 1,000jumped to 2,000.
699
00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:44,710
Then it gets to the point
where Warren wants it all
700
00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:49,381
and he'll distributeyour just wants and needs
701
00:35:49,415 --> 00:35:51,683
I don't thinkhe gave two .
702
00:35:51,717 --> 00:35:53,752
What did the man
really want?
703
00:35:53,785 --> 00:35:55,687
He was lustful for greed,
704
00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:57,523
the greed of money
and the greed of power
705
00:35:57,556 --> 00:35:59,758
and more and moreand more.
706
00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:02,461
At one point, they bankruptedthe school district,
707
00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:04,196
pulled all their kidsout of school,
708
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:07,533
but continued to lootthe school district,
709
00:36:07,566 --> 00:36:08,800
bought themselves
an airplane.
710
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:16,808
Talking to people
711
00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:19,778
and getting people's feelingsthat were around at that time,
712
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:22,214
he becomes
more cloak and dagger-ish,
713
00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:24,616
he becomes, like,
more paranoid.
714
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:34,560
There are camerasall over town.
715
00:36:34,593 --> 00:36:36,928
People are constantly
under surveillance
716
00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,964
and there's
a direct link between
717
00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:40,566
church security
718
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:42,401
and the Marshal's office.
719
00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:43,535
The cops up the there,
720
00:36:43,569 --> 00:36:45,904
the sworn police officers,
721
00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:47,673
their allegiance has always been
to protecting Warren.
722
00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,941
We believe
in plural marriage.
723
00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:51,677
Are you a polygamist?
724
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:53,545
I'm not gonna answer that,
it's none of your business.
725
00:37:00,419 --> 00:37:02,888
I think Warren enjoyed
726
00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:05,724
that cat and mouse game.
727
00:37:05,757 --> 00:37:08,394
He enjoyed knowing what people
were doing without them knowing.
728
00:37:08,427 --> 00:37:09,961
He enjoyed
recording people.
729
00:37:09,995 --> 00:37:13,565
He enjoyedspying on folks.
730
00:37:13,632 --> 00:37:15,967
He showed me oncethe security command post
731
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:19,605
that hadevery room monitored,
732
00:37:19,638 --> 00:37:20,572
including the guest house.
733
00:37:20,606 --> 00:37:22,641
that I was staying in.
734
00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:25,444
And I never went back.
735
00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,516
There was cameras.
736
00:37:30,549 --> 00:37:31,817
There definitely was.
737
00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:33,452
I didn't know that
at the time,
738
00:37:33,485 --> 00:37:34,653
but there was
definitely cameras.
739
00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:36,622
It was all about himself,
740
00:37:36,655 --> 00:37:37,823
what he could experience,
741
00:37:37,856 --> 00:37:40,859
what he could control.
742
00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:42,861
Warren Jeffs could dowhatever he wants.
743
00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:45,997
He was viewed as a prophet
with a prophetic gift,
744
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:47,766
he was inspired by God,
745
00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:50,035
so what he said
had the authority of God.
746
00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:54,039
He even has wives taking notes
747
00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:55,974
of things that he says
and does
748
00:37:56,007 --> 00:37:57,843
when he's sleeping.
749
00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:02,514
And comes up with these crazy,grandiose revelations.
750
00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:08,520
The problem with thatis that Warren
751
00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:11,490
can have a revelationsaying that,
752
00:38:11,523 --> 00:38:13,725
based on a bad dream,that somebody was evil.
753
00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:15,794
And even though
it's not true,
754
00:38:15,827 --> 00:38:17,563
that person is exiled
from the community
755
00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:20,031
and cut off from all their
family and friends.
756
00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:23,569
He picked out menthat had large families
757
00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:26,972
men that had staturein the community.
758
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:30,509
He particularly picked them out
and destroyed them.
759
00:38:30,576 --> 00:38:33,712
He didn't waste any time
to take care of me.
760
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,586
Warren called me upand he asked me
761
00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:42,488
if I could bringall my wives
762
00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:45,557
and meet with himat his father's home.
763
00:38:45,591 --> 00:38:47,493
That afternoon I says, "Sure."
764
00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:48,694
He says,"How soon can you be here?"
765
00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:52,831
He put me onone side of the hall,
766
00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,500
my ladies on the other side
767
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:55,901
and then he handed me
768
00:38:55,934 --> 00:38:58,704
my revelation that he,
supposedly, had had
769
00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:01,673
from God and he said
770
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:04,976
I had plottedwith other brethren
771
00:39:05,043 --> 00:39:08,480
to take Rulon's life.
772
00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:12,618
That I was proudand aspiring
773
00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,553
and he says, "Do you haveany questions there?"
774
00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:15,921
And I looked at himand I says,
775
00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:18,390
"So, if I sayright here and now
776
00:39:18,424 --> 00:39:19,891
that I'm guiltyof all these things,
777
00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:23,729
that... that's all
I need to do?"
778
00:39:23,762 --> 00:39:26,465
He just laughed at me
and said, "No."
779
00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:29,701
And then he sent me homeand told me gather up my stuff
780
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:31,069
and leave.
781
00:39:31,102 --> 00:39:33,038
That's Warren's style;
782
00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:34,873
kick somebody out,discredit them,
783
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,608
anything they say
is a lie,
784
00:39:36,642 --> 00:39:39,077
and accuse them
of whatever you want.
785
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:40,612
All my wives,
786
00:39:40,646 --> 00:39:42,080
they were toldto not communicate
787
00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,949
with the childrenabout me.
788
00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:46,818
They were not to talk about mein any way, shape, or form.
789
00:39:46,852 --> 00:39:49,187
I shed a lot of tears,
790
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:52,591
I had lost a lot of people
that I was very close to
791
00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:53,959
and that I loved.
792
00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:55,761
I started all over again.
793
00:39:55,794 --> 00:39:58,997
Instead of seeing himas a villain,
794
00:39:59,030 --> 00:40:01,800
I think Warren saw himselfas an underestimated,
795
00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:02,868
underappreciated man.
796
00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:05,637
And I think
in so many ways,
797
00:40:05,671 --> 00:40:07,105
he proved everybody wrong.
798
00:40:13,645 --> 00:40:15,881
Ruth, how old were you
when you got married?
799
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:19,751
- 16.
- 16 years old.
800
00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:22,654
How old were you when you became
pregnant with your first child?
801
00:40:22,688 --> 00:40:24,155
- 16.
- 16.
802
00:40:26,492 --> 00:40:28,560
And this was
an arranged marriage
803
00:40:28,594 --> 00:40:29,795
by the religious leaders
of that town?
804
00:40:29,828 --> 00:40:31,196
Yes.
805
00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:32,898
There are reallya handful of stories
806
00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,966
that changed
the course of history
807
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,735
in this saga.
808
00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:41,172
And the day that Ruth Stubbsfled Colorado City
809
00:40:41,206 --> 00:40:42,841
was one of 'em.
810
00:40:42,874 --> 00:40:46,077
Turns out the manshe was forced to marry
811
00:40:46,144 --> 00:40:48,814
was a cop,
a sworn police officer
812
00:40:48,847 --> 00:40:51,583
in Colorado City
named Rodney Holm.
813
00:40:51,617 --> 00:40:53,852
My name is Mike Watkiss.
814
00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:56,588
- I'm a reporter
here in Phoenix.
- I know who you are, sir.
815
00:40:56,622 --> 00:41:00,559
My understanding
that you have teenage brides
816
00:41:00,592 --> 00:41:03,795
and perhaps impregnated
this young woman
817
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:05,497
when it would be
a statutory rape.
818
00:41:05,531 --> 00:41:09,134
We don't have anything to say
except to the court.
819
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,902
Suddenly with Ruth
820
00:41:10,936 --> 00:41:12,704
and Rod Holm,
821
00:41:12,738 --> 00:41:14,540
we had a storythat the outside world
822
00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:15,707
couldn't ignore.
823
00:41:15,741 --> 00:41:18,677
Leave the girls
that are underage alone.
824
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:20,245
Don't marry underage girls.
825
00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:23,882
Teenage girl,statutory rape victim,
826
00:41:23,949 --> 00:41:25,984
a police officer
827
00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:29,054
and Warren's fingerprints
were all over this.
828
00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:31,590
Warren is the one
that performed the marriage.
829
00:41:31,657 --> 00:41:33,158
Warren Jeffs performed
your marriage
830
00:41:33,224 --> 00:41:34,826
- to Rodney Holm?
- Yes.
831
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:36,862
You're 16 years of age
832
00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:38,897
and he marries youto a 32-year-old man
833
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:40,932
that he knowsalready has two wives?
834
00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:42,768
- Yes.
- Utah
835
00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,269
took Rod Holm to court,
836
00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:46,572
found him guiltyof these crimes
837
00:41:46,605 --> 00:41:48,206
that had beengoing on forever.
838
00:41:48,273 --> 00:41:50,742
Soon as Rod Holmgot sentenced,
839
00:41:50,776 --> 00:41:53,111
I think Warrenrightfully predicted,
840
00:41:53,144 --> 00:41:56,181
"If they can come aftera polygamous cop
841
00:41:56,214 --> 00:41:58,249
because of a marriageI arranged,
842
00:41:58,283 --> 00:42:00,886
it's only a matter of time
before they start
coming after me.
843
00:42:00,919 --> 00:42:03,789
I think he's an evil man.
844
00:42:03,822 --> 00:42:04,890
I don't any man of God
845
00:42:04,923 --> 00:42:06,658
would destroy people's lives,
846
00:42:06,692 --> 00:42:07,893
and take families away
847
00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:09,695
and marry them
to other men...
848
00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:10,829
like he's doing.
849
00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:12,598
So he knew
he was in for it.
850
00:42:17,836 --> 00:42:19,204
At that point in time,
851
00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:21,807
there wereno charges against Warren.
852
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,042
But he's just kind ofletting the people know
853
00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:27,212
that he needs to be
in the background,
854
00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,314
he needs to be hiding,
he needs to be on the run.
855
00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:33,985
He's going tothe outside world
856
00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:36,187
on the premise thatGod is having him
857
00:42:36,221 --> 00:42:38,690
go witness the evilsof the world.
858
00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:50,836
We thought it was
for a really righteous reason
859
00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:53,004
because he made it
sound like it was.
860
00:42:53,038 --> 00:42:56,307
But, at the same time,he wanted to have some fun
861
00:42:56,341 --> 00:42:57,743
that he never had had.
862
00:42:57,809 --> 00:42:59,778
He went to Disneyland,
863
00:42:59,811 --> 00:43:02,080
went to the beachesin Florida.
864
00:43:02,113 --> 00:43:03,649
He's going to Mardi Gras
865
00:43:03,682 --> 00:43:05,984
and going to strip clubs.
866
00:43:06,017 --> 00:43:08,253
Becoming a prophet for Warren
867
00:43:08,286 --> 00:43:13,358
probably offers him, you know,
absolution to things.
868
00:43:13,391 --> 00:43:16,795
You don't have to be responsible
for your own sins if it's God.
869
00:43:16,828 --> 00:43:18,697
If it's Godtelling you to do it,
870
00:43:18,764 --> 00:43:21,166
then you don't have to beaccountable for that.
871
00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:23,068
Narcissists break rulesa great deal,
872
00:43:23,101 --> 00:43:26,137
but they do it because
they feel that they're important
873
00:43:26,171 --> 00:43:28,406
and special and nobody else
is nearly important,
874
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,809
so I think Warren Jeffs,
875
00:43:30,842 --> 00:43:32,744
a sense of"Anything goes
876
00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:34,312
because I amthe authority,
877
00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:35,914
I'm special,
878
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:38,684
that's a big partof what we see.
879
00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:45,991
The state of Arizona
880
00:43:46,024 --> 00:43:50,061
was the first to file chargesagainst him.
881
00:43:50,095 --> 00:43:51,730
So Warren sent
his lieutenants out
882
00:43:51,763 --> 00:43:53,164
to start buying up
these compounds
883
00:43:53,198 --> 00:43:54,933
all over
the United States
884
00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:58,169
because, suddenly, it was too
hot in Utah and Arizona.
885
00:44:03,942 --> 00:44:06,745
Warren begins going aroundthe country,
886
00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:07,713
establishing these
887
00:44:07,746 --> 00:44:09,114
places of refuge.
888
00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:14,753
The church had three
889
00:44:14,786 --> 00:44:17,222
primary places of refuge.
890
00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:20,692
There was a compoundin Pringle, South Dakota,
891
00:44:20,726 --> 00:44:22,694
Mancos, Colorado.
892
00:44:22,728 --> 00:44:25,764
There was alsoa ranch in Texas.
893
00:44:25,797 --> 00:44:27,232
The church then also used
894
00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:29,801
an extensive networkof rented safe homes
895
00:44:29,835 --> 00:44:32,704
and trailers to move
896
00:44:32,738 --> 00:44:34,906
church leaders
and underage girls
897
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:36,141
around the country.
898
00:44:39,077 --> 00:44:41,079
People in Short Creek,
899
00:44:41,112 --> 00:44:43,081
we did not know
that Texas existed,
900
00:44:43,114 --> 00:44:45,250
we didn't knowColorado existed,
901
00:44:45,283 --> 00:44:47,385
we did not knowthat his settlement up in
902
00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:49,120
South Dakota existed,
903
00:44:49,154 --> 00:44:51,256
it was sucha shroud of secrecy.
904
00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:54,425
Warren had everybodyin Short Creek
905
00:44:54,459 --> 00:44:56,061
run up their credit cards
906
00:44:56,094 --> 00:44:57,829
and borrow money
in bank accounts
907
00:44:57,863 --> 00:44:59,130
and give everything
they have to him,
908
00:44:59,164 --> 00:45:01,499
which was usedto help build
909
00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,502
these otherplaces of refuge.
910
00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:07,138
There was a tremendous amountof money being funneled to him.
911
00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:09,140
Vehicles, cash, lands.
912
00:45:09,174 --> 00:45:10,942
I had a home
that was completely finished
913
00:45:10,976 --> 00:45:12,310
and got a call
914
00:45:12,343 --> 00:45:14,045
from Warren Jeffsto give it up
915
00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:16,114
and move to another place.
916
00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:19,918
I moved to circumstancesthat were far less
917
00:45:19,951 --> 00:45:21,953
than what I had.
918
00:45:21,987 --> 00:45:23,388
We just determined,
919
00:45:23,421 --> 00:45:24,856
we're not gonna
tie our heart strings
920
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:26,391
to these physical things.
921
00:45:26,424 --> 00:45:29,094
What the hell did he care
if they lost their homes,
922
00:45:29,127 --> 00:45:30,228
their lands,
their birthrights?
923
00:45:30,261 --> 00:45:31,429
But it's okay
924
00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:33,231
because Warrensaid to do it
925
00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:35,066
and he's the prophet.
926
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,868
It began to be
927
00:45:36,902 --> 00:45:38,804
the sand moving
underneath our feet.
928
00:45:38,837 --> 00:45:43,074
Warren put the peopleon unsettled dirt.
929
00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,876
During that time,
930
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:48,313
I was, you know, kind ofin hiding off and on.
931
00:45:48,346 --> 00:45:49,881
My dad
932
00:45:49,915 --> 00:45:51,149
kept saying,
"You know, they're after us,
933
00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:52,818
they're trying to find you
934
00:45:52,884 --> 00:45:55,320
so they can hurt me,"
is what he would tell us.
935
00:45:55,353 --> 00:45:57,956
And so we didn't
so much as open the blinds
936
00:45:58,023 --> 00:45:59,257
for like a month.
937
00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,794
Primarily,I was by myself
938
00:46:02,828 --> 00:46:05,296
in a camp trailer,just nobody around,
939
00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:07,165
just desolate.
940
00:46:07,198 --> 00:46:09,167
That was kind ofmy first experience of just
941
00:46:09,234 --> 00:46:11,536
brutal isolation.
942
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:13,972
I moved down to Texas
943
00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,506
and we hardly ever
got to see Father
944
00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:18,977
because he was always runnin'
from the law.
945
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:21,512
Sometimes he was therefor a week,
946
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,949
sometimes a month,sometimes one day,
947
00:46:24,049 --> 00:46:27,252
and then he was gone
and we didn't know where he was.
948
00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:30,221
But, even when he was runnin'from the law,
949
00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:33,424
he still governedthe whole system.
950
00:46:33,458 --> 00:46:36,862
He told us to get sevenyears-worth of grain.
951
00:46:36,928 --> 00:46:38,563
He had the temple built
during that time.
952
00:46:43,468 --> 00:46:45,837
Father said Heavenly Fathertold him that
953
00:46:45,871 --> 00:46:48,139
the people would be drivenout of Short Creek
954
00:46:48,173 --> 00:46:50,408
and he wanted a placefor the people
955
00:46:50,441 --> 00:46:52,443
to be able to go to
that were pure in heart.
956
00:46:52,477 --> 00:46:55,546
FLDS have long said that
957
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:58,316
they're living a higher orderand they don't have need
958
00:46:58,383 --> 00:47:00,952
for temples.
959
00:47:00,986 --> 00:47:03,254
I started seeing thatfoundation going and...
960
00:47:03,288 --> 00:47:04,990
that kind of signaled
961
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:07,392
he was preparing
for the end of the world.
962
00:47:07,425 --> 00:47:09,294
And what that meant
963
00:47:09,327 --> 00:47:12,497
to somebody as deviantand twisted as Warren,
964
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:15,133
could be anything,and that's what bothered me.
965
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:20,571
I didn't know if Warren wasplanning another Jonestown,
966
00:47:20,605 --> 00:47:22,140
if he was gonna be
passing out Kool-Aid,
967
00:47:22,207 --> 00:47:23,208
if he was gonna have
968
00:47:23,241 --> 00:47:25,410
all these men gather there
969
00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:26,611
and go outin a blaze of glory.
970
00:47:26,644 --> 00:47:29,347
He was essentially saying,
971
00:47:29,414 --> 00:47:32,317
This is wherewe're making our stand."
972
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:50,601
At that point,
973
00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:53,471
Warren was definitely
a man on the run, a fugitive.
974
00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:57,475
And the communitywas bending over backwards
975
00:47:57,508 --> 00:47:59,377
to do everythingthey could to sustain him,
976
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:01,446
to communicate with himon the road,
977
00:48:01,479 --> 00:48:03,081
to allow him to know that
978
00:48:03,114 --> 00:48:04,249
they completelyloved him.
979
00:48:04,282 --> 00:48:05,650
I'm Gary Tuchman with CNN.
980
00:48:05,683 --> 00:48:07,452
I just wanted
to check with you,
981
00:48:07,485 --> 00:48:09,054
do you have any idea
where Warren Jeffs is?
982
00:48:09,087 --> 00:48:10,521
Any idea at all?
983
00:48:11,622 --> 00:48:13,491
Do you know where
Warren Jeffs is?
984
00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:20,398
What do you think of him?
985
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,541
I'm actively looking for Warrenat the time.
986
00:48:30,608 --> 00:48:32,577
And sometimes I feel like
I'm getting close,
987
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:34,512
and other times
I just, you know,
I don't know where he's at
988
00:48:34,545 --> 00:48:35,480
or what's going on.
989
00:48:35,546 --> 00:48:37,548
'Course, I don't know
990
00:48:37,582 --> 00:48:40,185
the depthof his depravity.
991
00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:41,419
Every...
992
00:48:41,452 --> 00:48:43,154
few months, I guess,
993
00:48:43,188 --> 00:48:44,622
he would come home
with another 16-year-old.
994
00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:46,992
He would page overthe intercom,
995
00:48:47,025 --> 00:48:48,493
he would say,
996
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,696
"Everybody come downto the dining room,
997
00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:54,565
meet a new family member."
998
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:55,733
So we'd all come down
999
00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:59,037
and, you know, say hi.
1000
00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:01,039
I think the youngesthe went was 11,
1001
00:49:01,106 --> 00:49:04,175
going on 12.
1002
00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:06,611
I read a little entry he wrote
1003
00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:09,480
in his journal about...
1004
00:49:09,547 --> 00:49:11,716
his young,
underage wives.
1005
00:49:11,749 --> 00:49:16,221
He said, "The Lord wants meto take these wives
1006
00:49:16,321 --> 00:49:18,356
at a young ageto teach and train them
1007
00:49:18,389 --> 00:49:21,292
and guide themthrough boy troubles."
1008
00:49:21,326 --> 00:49:22,527
And then he wrote,
1009
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,562
"I will just be
their boy trouble."
1010
00:49:30,368 --> 00:49:32,470
He was very kind to me.
1011
00:49:32,503 --> 00:49:35,773
I mean, he took specialinterest in me, I felt like.
1012
00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:39,210
I was only
five years old and...
1013
00:49:39,244 --> 00:49:41,746
I liked him,I liked him a lot.
1014
00:49:46,184 --> 00:49:49,354
My two older sisterswere married to him.
1015
00:49:49,387 --> 00:49:53,024
He told me that I was a veryspecial spirit
1016
00:49:53,058 --> 00:49:56,361
and that the devil
was seeking to take my life.
1017
00:49:56,394 --> 00:49:58,129
And I didn't
understand that.
1018
00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:05,736
I believed in Godand in...
1019
00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:08,373
very much
a spiritual side of life.
1020
00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:10,741
And I wanted to be saved.
1021
00:50:10,775 --> 00:50:13,311
But being so young,I could hardly wrap my mind
1022
00:50:13,344 --> 00:50:14,645
around it all.
1023
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:16,181
Right after
we got married,
1024
00:50:16,214 --> 00:50:18,116
then we were automatically
in hiding.
1025
00:50:18,149 --> 00:50:22,087
We didn't go outside a lot.
1026
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,324
We were mostly just supposedto stay in the houseand not be seen.
1027
00:50:26,357 --> 00:50:28,659
In my mind,
1028
00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:32,497
I was trying to prove worthyof this greater blessing.
1029
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:33,831
All the children,
1030
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:35,200
and they, you know,immediately
1031
00:50:35,233 --> 00:50:36,567
startedcalling me Mother,
1032
00:50:36,601 --> 00:50:38,736
and that wasvery different to me.
1033
00:50:38,769 --> 00:50:42,273
Most the children were older me.
1034
00:50:42,307 --> 00:50:45,510
But I got used to it.
1035
00:50:45,543 --> 00:50:47,278
I definitelywanted to be a mom.
1036
00:50:47,312 --> 00:50:48,279
At the same time,
1037
00:50:48,313 --> 00:50:50,415
I really wanted to be a kid
1038
00:50:50,448 --> 00:50:51,449
while I was a kid.
1039
00:50:53,351 --> 00:50:54,485
I mean,I just really did,
1040
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,288
I never let go of that.
1041
00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:02,860
On the outside,I was a very happy person.
1042
00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:05,830
This is
the hairspray commercial.
1043
00:51:05,863 --> 00:51:08,533
But, to not haveany contact
1044
00:51:08,566 --> 00:51:10,801
with formerfamily and friends,
1045
00:51:10,835 --> 00:51:14,605
that kind of felt like I justfell off the edge of the world
1046
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,475
and, so I basically
just buried my feelings
1047
00:51:17,508 --> 00:51:19,244
and... lived.
1048
00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:30,588
Warren became the Caligula
1049
00:51:30,621 --> 00:51:32,823
of the court of polygamy.
1050
00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:36,227
Bad practices
got more perverted.
1051
00:51:36,261 --> 00:51:39,464
And younger girls got forcedinto these marriages,
1052
00:51:39,497 --> 00:51:40,465
And boys
1053
00:51:40,498 --> 00:51:42,167
were cast aside.
1054
00:51:45,436 --> 00:51:47,872
Like any other society,there will be
1055
00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:50,175
one halfboy babies born
1056
00:51:50,208 --> 00:51:51,542
and one halfgirl babies born.
1057
00:51:51,576 --> 00:51:53,211
It means that
1058
00:51:53,244 --> 00:51:56,314
a whole lot of males
are never gonna get married.
1059
00:51:56,347 --> 00:51:59,317
How are they going to continue
this practice of plurality
1060
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:02,520
of wives forever
if they don't thin the herd?
1061
00:52:02,553 --> 00:52:05,456
I mean,the math doesn't work.
1062
00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:06,891
You've gotta get rid of
1063
00:52:06,924 --> 00:52:09,460
a lot of the young men.
1064
00:52:09,494 --> 00:52:11,696
And Warren established
a very effective
1065
00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:15,766
social architecture to dealwith getting rid of the boys.
1066
00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:22,507
You can imaginehow much pressure
1067
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:26,677
is on a parent...
1068
00:52:26,711 --> 00:52:28,713
to take their son
1069
00:52:28,746 --> 00:52:31,716
and drive them50 miles away,
1070
00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:33,184
and drop them off and say
1071
00:52:33,218 --> 00:52:35,786
"You are never to
contact us again."
1072
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,356
And they did that,
1073
00:52:38,389 --> 00:52:40,325
over and overand over again.
1074
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,262
Rich was expelled
from the community
1075
00:52:44,295 --> 00:52:46,497
when he was 20 years old.
1076
00:52:46,531 --> 00:52:48,266
I had no driver's license,
1077
00:52:48,299 --> 00:52:49,834
no real life skills,
1078
00:52:49,867 --> 00:52:51,836
they're not old enough
to be lawfully employed.
1079
00:52:51,869 --> 00:52:55,540
Add to that the fearthat everyone
1080
00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:57,275
out therethat wasn't from home,
1081
00:52:57,308 --> 00:52:59,510
that wasn't partof your church
1082
00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:00,645
was going to do something
1083
00:53:00,678 --> 00:53:03,314
intentionally to harm you.
1084
00:53:03,348 --> 00:53:05,350
Who do yougo to for help?
1085
00:53:07,818 --> 00:53:08,886
My mom,
1086
00:53:08,919 --> 00:53:11,222
she had...
1087
00:53:11,256 --> 00:53:13,258
a history of being
a little bit rebellious.
1088
00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:16,761
So I was never really,truly openly accepted
1089
00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:18,596
by Warren Jeffs.
1090
00:53:18,629 --> 00:53:20,731
One of my uncles,
1091
00:53:20,765 --> 00:53:22,567
he had arranged a meetingwith me and Warren
1092
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,335
at the print shop.
1093
00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:25,470
That's when Warren told me
1094
00:53:25,503 --> 00:53:28,706
I wasn't welcome to church.
1095
00:53:28,739 --> 00:53:31,609
and... that was it, out.
1096
00:53:31,642 --> 00:53:34,912
After I stood up to leave,
1097
00:53:34,945 --> 00:53:37,915
he just casuallylet me know that
1098
00:53:37,948 --> 00:53:40,518
I wouldn't beallowed into Heaven.
1099
00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:44,522
That was probably
the darkest day of my life
1100
00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:45,990
considering
I believed him,
1101
00:53:46,023 --> 00:53:49,294
I was convinced
I was going to Hell.
1102
00:53:51,496 --> 00:53:54,999
I got in my little,crappy pickup truck
1103
00:53:55,032 --> 00:53:56,701
and I...
1104
00:53:56,734 --> 00:54:01,639
got out of that townas fast as I could.
1105
00:54:01,672 --> 00:54:03,007
I didn't know where to go.
1106
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,975
I had nothing.
1107
00:54:05,009 --> 00:54:08,946
The world outside
is against me and...
1108
00:54:08,979 --> 00:54:11,349
the only thing
that I knew
1109
00:54:11,382 --> 00:54:12,850
I was cut off from.
1110
00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:20,858
It was only another couplemonths after I was kicked out
1111
00:54:20,891 --> 00:54:24,729
that I started seeing
this wave after wave
1112
00:54:24,762 --> 00:54:26,464
of other boys,
1113
00:54:26,497 --> 00:54:28,966
just showing up.
1114
00:54:29,033 --> 00:54:33,604
It went from what was calleda wave in the late '90s
1115
00:54:33,638 --> 00:54:37,007
to what became a floodthere for awhile.
1116
00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:39,009
I knew that something
had to be done.
1117
00:54:39,043 --> 00:54:41,679
Dan Fischer was born and raised
1118
00:54:41,712 --> 00:54:43,514
in the FLDS community,
1119
00:54:43,548 --> 00:54:46,917
had three wives,and ended up leaving.
1120
00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:48,018
He and his wife
1121
00:54:48,052 --> 00:54:50,821
had done tremendous things
1122
00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:54,525
to help people who had beenkicked out of the FLDS.
1123
00:54:56,861 --> 00:54:59,464
We went publicon the steps of the Capitol.
1124
00:54:59,530 --> 00:55:02,433
with some 70 of these boys.
1125
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:04,369
Some of the so-called"lost boys,"
1126
00:55:04,402 --> 00:55:05,370
all banished by Jeffs,
1127
00:55:05,403 --> 00:55:07,438
told their stories.
1128
00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,077
Hundreds of boys,
1129
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:14,945
aged 13 and above,
1130
00:55:14,979 --> 00:55:16,981
have fled or been expelled
1131
00:55:17,014 --> 00:55:18,916
from this society.
1132
00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:23,688
And at the demand
of its fanatical leader,
1133
00:55:23,721 --> 00:55:24,855
Warren Jeffs.
1134
00:55:24,889 --> 00:55:26,524
Dan made it his mission
1135
00:55:26,557 --> 00:55:28,058
to help these boys
who were exiled with nothing.
1136
00:55:28,092 --> 00:55:30,528
Nobody else
1137
00:55:30,561 --> 00:55:34,532
had both a knowledgeof what was going on,
1138
00:55:34,632 --> 00:55:36,401
the financial resources,
1139
00:55:36,434 --> 00:55:39,504
and the understanding
to do it.
1140
00:55:39,537 --> 00:55:43,941
And you either accept that
or you don't.
1141
00:55:43,974 --> 00:55:47,578
It's... pretty damn simple.
1142
00:55:47,612 --> 00:55:50,548
Even though
very uncomfortable,
1143
00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:52,983
it's pretty damn simple.
1144
00:55:53,017 --> 00:55:56,020
We wanted to
take Warren out of power.
1145
00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:58,789
Even afterhe was on the run,
1146
00:55:58,823 --> 00:56:00,090
he was stilldestroying families,
1147
00:56:00,124 --> 00:56:02,527
removing peoplefrom their homes.
1148
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,796
Warren Jeffshad absolute control
1149
00:56:05,830 --> 00:56:07,732
over the homesof the people.
1150
00:56:07,765 --> 00:56:08,966
And so
1151
00:56:08,999 --> 00:56:11,402
the Lost Boysdecided to
1152
00:56:11,436 --> 00:56:13,003
go after the land.
1153
00:56:13,037 --> 00:56:14,071
And so,
1154
00:56:14,104 --> 00:56:17,174
we came to realize that
1155
00:56:17,207 --> 00:56:18,843
there could and should bea court case
1156
00:56:18,876 --> 00:56:22,046
brought againstthe ownership
1157
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,113
of the properties.
1158
00:56:23,147 --> 00:56:25,483
And that was Warren Jeffs.
1159
00:56:29,754 --> 00:56:32,857
So the court casewas filed.
1160
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:34,158
Warren Jeffs came out
1161
00:56:34,191 --> 00:56:36,427
with the mandate that,
1162
00:56:36,461 --> 00:56:39,430
"We will answer
them nothing."
1163
00:56:39,464 --> 00:56:42,867
And basically saying,
"We're above the laws
of the land,
1164
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,535
we answer to a higher power."
1165
00:56:44,569 --> 00:56:48,939
He mandated thatthere'd be no response
1166
00:56:48,973 --> 00:56:51,909
from his attorneys,that they not show up in court.
1167
00:56:51,942 --> 00:56:53,010
Warren had thought
1168
00:56:53,043 --> 00:56:55,513
the veil
of religious freedom,
1169
00:56:55,546 --> 00:56:57,948
protection was enough.
1170
00:56:58,015 --> 00:57:01,185
That there would beno judgment against him.
1171
00:57:01,218 --> 00:57:03,821
I mean, this is the first timethis has happened.
1172
00:57:03,854 --> 00:57:05,590
No one hadblatantly came out
1173
00:57:05,623 --> 00:57:08,626
and tried tosue them like that.
1174
00:57:08,659 --> 00:57:11,762
We showed up with to courtwith our counsel.
1175
00:57:11,796 --> 00:57:14,699
And what happens
when you go to court
and only one side's there?
1176
00:57:14,732 --> 00:57:16,166
The side
that showed up won.
1177
00:57:23,107 --> 00:57:25,876
He still had thousandsof followers
1178
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:27,578
and millions of dollars
1179
00:57:27,612 --> 00:57:29,213
to run on.
1180
00:57:29,246 --> 00:57:30,781
But his world
1181
00:57:30,815 --> 00:57:32,950
was starting to shrink,
1182
00:57:32,983 --> 00:57:35,920
his powers were startingto be curtailed.
1183
00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:39,156
It was really the beginningof the end for Warren Jeffs.
1184
00:57:45,062 --> 00:57:46,864
I was born intoa polygamous family,
1185
00:57:46,897 --> 00:57:48,799
24 childrenand three mothers.
1186
00:57:50,234 --> 00:57:52,770
I knew marriagewas a part of my future.
1187
00:57:52,803 --> 00:57:54,138
I dreamed of it,
1188
00:57:54,171 --> 00:57:55,973
I prayed for it,
1189
00:57:56,006 --> 00:57:57,508
I did
all the perfect things
1190
00:57:57,542 --> 00:57:59,143
that a perfect
prissy girl would do
1191
00:57:59,176 --> 00:58:00,244
to prepare themselves
1192
00:58:00,277 --> 00:58:01,912
for marriage.
1193
00:58:01,946 --> 00:58:03,247
But I was young,
1194
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,949
I was 14.
1195
00:58:04,982 --> 00:58:06,684
And up to that point,
1196
00:58:06,717 --> 00:58:08,886
it had been very difficult
to actually find a witness
1197
00:58:08,919 --> 00:58:10,621
who was willing to talk.
1198
00:58:10,655 --> 00:58:13,724
I met Elissa Wall one nightat a restaurant.
1199
00:58:13,758 --> 00:58:17,528
As we had dinner,she told me her story.
1200
00:58:17,562 --> 00:58:19,296
Usually when a girl
is to be married,
1201
00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:21,866
they're excited,
they're happy,
1202
00:58:21,899 --> 00:58:23,768
and they're just
so lucky and blessed
1203
00:58:23,801 --> 00:58:25,703
to have the prophet
love them enough
1204
00:58:25,736 --> 00:58:27,638
to find a place for them
to be married.
1205
00:58:27,672 --> 00:58:30,040
Then I learned that I wasto marry my first cousin,
1206
00:58:30,074 --> 00:58:31,642
Allen Steed.
1207
00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:34,779
And I had a verydeep hatred for him.
1208
00:58:36,614 --> 00:58:39,817
I remember goingto Caliente in Nevada.
1209
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,054
There was a hotelthat was owned by
1210
00:58:44,088 --> 00:58:47,324
by a memberof the FLDS there.
1211
00:58:47,357 --> 00:58:50,761
I broke down for a moment
to my mother and I just said,
1212
00:58:50,795 --> 00:58:52,196
"I can't do this.
1213
00:58:52,229 --> 00:58:54,599
I cannot do this, Mom."
1214
00:58:54,632 --> 00:58:57,635
And she, as a good FLDS mom,
1215
00:58:57,668 --> 00:58:59,069
"Yes, you can.
1216
00:58:59,103 --> 00:59:01,238
And you will."
1217
00:59:08,212 --> 00:59:10,715
We were taughtfrom a very young age
1218
00:59:10,748 --> 00:59:12,850
deep religious beliefs
1219
00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,785
about what it meantto be a woman.
1220
00:59:14,819 --> 00:59:16,086
A woman's job
1221
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,156
was to ultimately
become married to a man,
1222
00:59:19,189 --> 00:59:20,858
hopefully with many wives,
1223
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:22,092
and to have children.
1224
00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:24,929
A woman cannot go to Heaven
1225
00:59:24,962 --> 00:59:26,263
on her own,
1226
00:59:26,296 --> 00:59:29,099
she has to besealed to a man.
1227
00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:32,069
And meant to listen
1228
00:59:32,102 --> 00:59:33,871
to whateverthe husband said.
1229
00:59:33,904 --> 00:59:38,375
He was the connectionto my salvation.
1230
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:41,646
There's that moment of mewalking down the stairs
1231
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:45,349
in this beautifully craftedwedding dress
1232
00:59:45,382 --> 00:59:48,052
that any other girl,it seemed in the community,
1233
00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:49,854
would be so happyto be wearing.
1234
00:59:49,887 --> 00:59:53,858
For me, it really felt like
I was dressed to face death.
1235
00:59:53,891 --> 00:59:58,162
I really wanted to die.
1236
01:00:04,168 --> 01:00:06,804
At the end of the ceremony,
Warren took both of our hands
1237
01:00:06,837 --> 01:00:09,039
and looked me in the eye
and he said,
1238
01:00:09,073 --> 01:00:11,776
"Now go forth and multiply
and replenish the Earth."
1239
01:00:14,178 --> 01:00:16,413
I don't remember muchof the drive back,
1240
01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:17,915
I just keptseeing Warren's eyes
1241
01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:21,251
in my headover and over and over,
1242
01:00:21,285 --> 01:00:25,856
wondering...what was next.
1243
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:29,827
About three years
into my marriage to Allen...
1244
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:30,895
it was hell.
1245
01:00:30,928 --> 01:00:32,730
It was abusive,
1246
01:00:32,763 --> 01:00:36,133
both physically, mentallyand sexually.
1247
01:00:36,166 --> 01:00:40,137
And Warren knew what'shappening in this relationship
1248
01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:41,706
that he had put together.
1249
01:00:41,739 --> 01:00:45,309
I often justbegged for release.
1250
01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:48,312
And within the FLDS, that is,
in essence, a divorce.
1251
01:00:50,114 --> 01:00:52,182
One day,Warren called in
1252
01:00:52,216 --> 01:00:54,351
and he told methat I was evil
1253
01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:56,153
and a wicked person.
1254
01:00:56,186 --> 01:00:57,855
In our teaching,
we had been told
1255
01:00:57,888 --> 01:00:59,757
quite a bit about
blood atonement.
1256
01:00:59,790 --> 01:01:03,160
Someone who hadcommitted the worst crimes
1257
01:01:03,193 --> 01:01:05,262
could atonefor those crimes
1258
01:01:05,295 --> 01:01:07,064
by giving their own life.
1259
01:01:07,097 --> 01:01:08,398
We would lay on altar
1260
01:01:08,432 --> 01:01:10,300
and have our throat slit
1261
01:01:10,334 --> 01:01:11,468
and we would be giving God
1262
01:01:11,501 --> 01:01:12,837
the gift that he gave us,
1263
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:14,038
which is the gift of life
1264
01:01:14,071 --> 01:01:15,239
in atonement for our sins.
1265
01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:17,441
I remember Warren said
1266
01:01:17,474 --> 01:01:19,276
that that wasmy only saving grace.
1267
01:01:22,146 --> 01:01:23,313
This would lead
1268
01:01:23,347 --> 01:01:24,982
to giving me the courage
1269
01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:27,718
to just make the leap,
to run.
1270
01:01:27,752 --> 01:01:31,121
We had a very compelling case
because we had
1271
01:01:31,155 --> 01:01:32,723
a courageous young woman
1272
01:01:32,757 --> 01:01:36,093
who was articulate,sincere
1273
01:01:36,126 --> 01:01:38,062
and there wascorroborating evidence for.
1274
01:01:38,095 --> 01:01:40,464
So everything we looked forin terms of building a case
1275
01:01:40,497 --> 01:01:43,000
we hadfor the very first time.
1276
01:01:43,033 --> 01:01:45,235
The criminal charges allege
1277
01:01:45,269 --> 01:01:47,872
that Mr. Jeffs encouraged,
1278
01:01:47,905 --> 01:01:49,807
commanded,
1279
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,475
aided, abetted another
1280
01:01:51,508 --> 01:01:53,410
to have sexual intercourse
1281
01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:56,480
with a victimbetween the ages 14 and 18
1282
01:01:56,513 --> 01:01:59,416
without her consent.
1283
01:01:59,449 --> 01:02:03,453
At the time,Warren was on the lam,
1284
01:02:03,487 --> 01:02:06,757
so Elissa Wall tippedthe balance for the FBI
1285
01:02:06,791 --> 01:02:09,426
and they put Warren Jeffs
on the FBI Most Wanted List.
1286
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:10,961
Good evening.
1287
01:02:10,995 --> 01:02:12,763
Over the weekend,
Osama bin Laden,
1288
01:02:12,797 --> 01:02:14,364
and eight other menwere joined
1289
01:02:14,398 --> 01:02:17,101
on the FBI's Most Wanted Listby Warren Jeffs.
1290
01:02:17,134 --> 01:02:19,436
The FBI considers himarmed and dangerous
1291
01:02:19,469 --> 01:02:22,406
and he's allegedly known forcrimes against children.
1292
01:02:22,439 --> 01:02:25,375
We had the FBI come
to our house a couple times.
1293
01:02:25,409 --> 01:02:27,778
When they showed up,
1294
01:02:27,812 --> 01:02:29,914
it createdsuch a hatred for them
1295
01:02:29,947 --> 01:02:31,248
because we felt likethey were always
1296
01:02:31,281 --> 01:02:32,950
trying to get us
and hurt us.
1297
01:02:32,983 --> 01:02:34,384
Warren Jeffs hasn't been seen
1298
01:02:34,418 --> 01:02:36,120
in more than a year.
1299
01:02:36,153 --> 01:02:38,088
The FBI has beensearching for him since June
1300
01:02:38,122 --> 01:02:39,990
on charges offleeing prosecution
1301
01:02:40,024 --> 01:02:41,992
in Arizona.
1302
01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:47,131
There was that fateful day.
1303
01:02:47,164 --> 01:02:49,099
I remember
1304
01:02:49,133 --> 01:02:50,467
we turned the TV on
and there,
1305
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,103
all over every channel
was news coverage
1306
01:02:53,137 --> 01:02:54,538
that Warren had been caught.
1307
01:02:54,571 --> 01:02:56,874
I'd like to announce
the arrest
1308
01:02:56,907 --> 01:03:01,011
of FBI Top Ten Most Wanted
Fugitive, Warren Steed Jeffs.
1309
01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:04,148
It was justa routine traffic stop
1310
01:03:04,181 --> 01:03:06,116
by a Nevada Highway Patrol.
1311
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:08,552
He was arrested near Las Vegaslate Monday.
1312
01:03:08,585 --> 01:03:10,554
He'd been on the runfor two years.
1313
01:03:10,587 --> 01:03:11,588
He was riding around
1314
01:03:11,621 --> 01:03:13,190
in a big, fancy Escalade
1315
01:03:13,223 --> 01:03:16,126
with all kinds of money,
1316
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,129
and communication devices,and wigs.
1317
01:03:19,163 --> 01:03:21,098
One of his cute, little wivesand his brother
1318
01:03:21,131 --> 01:03:24,168
were basically running around
the world seeing Disneyland.
1319
01:03:24,201 --> 01:03:27,004
It was more shocking to me
1320
01:03:27,037 --> 01:03:29,073
that he was arrestedwith Isaac and Naomi
1321
01:03:29,106 --> 01:03:30,941
in the gentile clothing.
1322
01:03:30,975 --> 01:03:33,377
And I think that anybody that
was watching that circumstance
1323
01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:36,280
saw the hypocrisy of it.
1324
01:03:36,313 --> 01:03:37,481
I did.
1325
01:03:37,514 --> 01:03:39,984
I think he would've ran
1326
01:03:40,017 --> 01:03:42,286
as long as he could'veand as far as he could've.
1327
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:45,289
But I do think he knew
he was going to be caught.
1328
01:03:45,322 --> 01:03:48,358
We didn't think that Father
would get arrested,
1329
01:03:48,392 --> 01:03:50,460
he always told us that
the Lord would protect him.
1330
01:03:52,229 --> 01:03:55,165
For us, it was the saddestthing in the world.
1331
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:58,368
It seemed like the wholereligion went into prison.
1332
01:03:58,402 --> 01:04:01,271
We did a lot of
fasting and...
1333
01:04:01,305 --> 01:04:02,372
you know, just praying for him,
1334
01:04:02,406 --> 01:04:04,074
and that
he'd be strengthened,
1335
01:04:04,108 --> 01:04:07,044
and the Lord would bless him
and help him through.
1336
01:04:10,614 --> 01:04:12,282
Warren was arrested in Nevada
1337
01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:14,651
so he was held in Las Vegas.
1338
01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:16,453
And two of my deputieswent down
1339
01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:19,656
to do the paperwork with regardto transferring him.
1340
01:04:19,689 --> 01:04:22,192
It was a simple hearing,nothing was involved,
1341
01:04:22,226 --> 01:04:23,994
and there weremobs of cameras.
1342
01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:27,497
And that was whenwe first realized
1343
01:04:27,531 --> 01:04:30,634
this is gonna be
a different prosecution for us.
1344
01:04:30,667 --> 01:04:32,903
Okay, what would you like to do?
1345
01:04:37,174 --> 01:04:39,076
You wanna waive your rights
in regards to extradition
1346
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:41,311
and go back as quickly
as they can have--
1347
01:04:41,345 --> 01:04:43,213
that they can
come pick you up?
1348
01:04:43,247 --> 01:04:44,514
All right.
1349
01:04:44,548 --> 01:04:46,050
I immediately called Elissa
1350
01:04:46,083 --> 01:04:47,517
and said,
1351
01:04:47,551 --> 01:04:49,987
"It's happening. It's on."
1352
01:05:15,045 --> 01:05:16,713
While Warren Jeffswas incarcerated
1353
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:19,016
at Purgatory CorrectionalFacility in Washington County,
1354
01:05:19,049 --> 01:05:23,220
and awaiting trial on charges
of rape as an accomplice,
1355
01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:26,323
he gave what has been
called a confession.
1356
01:05:33,263 --> 01:05:35,099
I think he realized,
1357
01:05:35,132 --> 01:05:38,102
"Oh, .
1358
01:05:38,135 --> 01:05:39,503
It caught up with me."
1359
01:05:50,214 --> 01:05:54,218
He had no limits withinthat small community.
1360
01:05:54,251 --> 01:05:57,121
Now, as soon as he got
outside the community,
1361
01:05:57,154 --> 01:06:00,324
of course, no one
acknowledged his legitimacy
1362
01:06:00,357 --> 01:06:02,492
or his authority.
1363
01:06:02,526 --> 01:06:05,395
And I think that was
a rude awakening.
1364
01:06:05,429 --> 01:06:07,397
He lostall of that control
1365
01:06:07,431 --> 01:06:09,133
that he had always had.
1366
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,381
That recording
1367
01:06:24,414 --> 01:06:26,350
was hidden, buried,
1368
01:06:26,383 --> 01:06:28,385
discredited.
1369
01:06:28,418 --> 01:06:30,554
People were told
it was made up,
1370
01:06:30,587 --> 01:06:32,522
that he was drugged.
1371
01:06:32,556 --> 01:06:36,026
In actuality, it wasthe one time he told the truth.
1372
01:06:47,104 --> 01:06:48,772
With the case pending,
1373
01:06:48,805 --> 01:06:51,241
the rules of ethics
and evidence
1374
01:06:51,275 --> 01:06:53,410
didn't allow us
to just go announce,
1375
01:06:53,443 --> 01:06:55,545
"Hey, world,
look what Warren has said."
1376
01:07:21,338 --> 01:07:23,473
The legal caseagainst Warren Jeffs,
1377
01:07:23,507 --> 01:07:25,475
the leader of a polygamistreligion or cult,
1378
01:07:25,509 --> 01:07:30,046
is now underwayin the state of Utah.
1379
01:07:32,149 --> 01:07:34,284
The trial was extraordinary
1380
01:07:34,318 --> 01:07:37,321
for Washington County.
1381
01:07:37,354 --> 01:07:40,090
The security wasout in force.
1382
01:07:40,124 --> 01:07:42,792
We had a great deal of concernabout protecting Elissa.
1383
01:07:42,826 --> 01:07:45,795
She was ina Witness Protection Program,
1384
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:48,632
we took great care
to safeguard her
1385
01:07:48,665 --> 01:07:50,167
and make her
feel comfortable
1386
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,469
so that we could
get our case to trial.
1387
01:07:52,502 --> 01:07:55,139
I mean, the caserose and fell on her,
1388
01:07:55,172 --> 01:07:56,740
and her abilityto connect with the jury
1389
01:07:56,773 --> 01:07:59,876
to convey the storyas to what happened to her.
1390
01:08:01,911 --> 01:08:03,713
The day ofthe preliminary hearing,
1391
01:08:03,747 --> 01:08:05,482
it was the first time
1392
01:08:05,515 --> 01:08:08,418
that I would actuallyface Warren Jeffs.
1393
01:08:08,452 --> 01:08:13,290
I sat on that stand and I looked
dead in Warren's eyes
1394
01:08:13,323 --> 01:08:17,661
and I forced myself
to hold eye contact.
1395
01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:19,663
I remember we sat thereand stared at each other
1396
01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:22,766
for a good few minutesand, ultimately,
1397
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:25,835
he shook his headand just dropped his eyes.
1398
01:08:25,869 --> 01:08:28,772
I had claimed my power
1399
01:08:28,805 --> 01:08:31,275
and I had
claimed my freedom
1400
01:08:31,308 --> 01:08:33,343
because he did
not control me.
1401
01:08:33,377 --> 01:08:35,812
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen,
we are back in session.
1402
01:08:35,879 --> 01:08:37,914
State of Utah versus
Warren Steed Jeffs.
1403
01:08:37,947 --> 01:08:41,151
Mr. Jeffs is here
with his counsel.
1404
01:08:41,185 --> 01:08:42,519
It's not easy
1405
01:08:42,552 --> 01:08:46,290
to convict somebody
of accomplice to rape.
1406
01:08:46,323 --> 01:08:48,758
Especially when
they're a religious leader
1407
01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:50,527
and the defense is
1408
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,296
he was just givingreligious advice
1409
01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:53,330
to this couple.
1410
01:08:53,363 --> 01:08:55,432
Just marriage counseling,
1411
01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:56,900
trying to help themwork out their problems
1412
01:08:56,933 --> 01:08:58,668
as husband and wife.
1413
01:08:58,702 --> 01:09:00,304
I don't believe
that Warren Jeffs
1414
01:09:00,337 --> 01:09:02,306
has ever done
anything wrong.
1415
01:09:02,339 --> 01:09:03,707
Well, it wasn'ta husband and wife,
1416
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:04,941
she was not married,
1417
01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:06,376
it was an
illegal marriage.
1418
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:08,678
I was... shocked
1419
01:09:08,712 --> 01:09:10,914
I was like, "No way I...
1420
01:09:10,947 --> 01:09:13,317
there is no way
I'm going to marry that man.
1421
01:09:16,253 --> 01:09:18,588
This entire timethat I was there,
1422
01:09:18,622 --> 01:09:21,425
I was... I was crying.
1423
01:09:21,458 --> 01:09:22,959
And I just,I honestly just wanted to die
1424
01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:27,397
because I was so scared.
1425
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:35,505
Because I had
two younger sisters
1426
01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:38,508
still in the FLDS...
1427
01:09:38,542 --> 01:09:41,345
I had the overwhelming
realization
1428
01:09:41,378 --> 01:09:43,213
that what happened to me
1429
01:09:43,247 --> 01:09:45,949
would probably,
most definitely happen to them.
1430
01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:50,287
During the trial,
1431
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,457
I had this pictureof my two sisters.
1432
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:57,227
And, every day,I would look at that.
1433
01:09:57,261 --> 01:09:59,429
They gave me
the courage I needed
1434
01:09:59,463 --> 01:10:01,998
or allowed me to, at least,
tap into the courage
I possessed
1435
01:10:02,031 --> 01:10:04,534
and hopefullyprotect my sisters.
1436
01:10:07,837 --> 01:10:10,240
Has this jury reached a verdict?
1437
01:10:10,274 --> 01:10:12,442
- Yes.
- Would you hand that
to the bailiff, please, sir?
1438
01:10:12,476 --> 01:10:15,245
Waiting for that verdictwas not easy.
1439
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:16,913
I mean,the work was done,
1440
01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:20,350
and now, everything
we've done is out of our hands
1441
01:10:20,384 --> 01:10:22,352
and in the hands
of the jury.
1442
01:10:22,386 --> 01:10:25,289
Mr. Jeffs,
would you please stand
1443
01:10:25,322 --> 01:10:26,623
as the verdict is read?
1444
01:10:28,458 --> 01:10:30,794
We needed so desperately
1445
01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:32,896
to have Warren Jeffsheld accountable
1446
01:10:32,929 --> 01:10:36,766
to try and stop the damagehe was doing to these people.
1447
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,669
It could've gone either way,
it was really tough.
1448
01:10:39,703 --> 01:10:43,407
You'd think that this would
be an easy thing... you know?
1449
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,641
But it wasn't.
1450
01:10:44,674 --> 01:10:46,543
The defendant is guilty
1451
01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,345
beyond a reasonable doubt.
1452
01:10:48,378 --> 01:10:49,846
51-year-old Warren Jeffs
1453
01:10:49,879 --> 01:10:52,582
showed no emotion asthe verdict was read.
1454
01:10:55,519 --> 01:10:57,987
He didn't reallylet it faze him.
1455
01:10:58,021 --> 01:11:01,991
There was definitelya kind of a hushed silence.
1456
01:11:02,025 --> 01:11:05,495
I just started to cry
because I knew that
1457
01:11:05,529 --> 01:11:09,333
my mother and thousands
and thousands of other people
1458
01:11:09,366 --> 01:11:12,469
that loved Warren more
than loved themselves,
1459
01:11:12,502 --> 01:11:15,305
that this was going to be
a shot to their heart.
1460
01:11:15,339 --> 01:11:18,642
And it was a painful,
conflicting moment of realizing
1461
01:11:18,675 --> 01:11:21,611
that the right thing
had happened...
1462
01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:23,547
but that the people
were the ones to pay.
1463
01:11:31,755 --> 01:11:32,822
When you look back
1464
01:11:32,856 --> 01:11:34,424
at her courage
1465
01:11:34,458 --> 01:11:36,460
to overcome yearsof indoctrination
1466
01:11:36,493 --> 01:11:38,094
and say,"This just isn't right,"
1467
01:11:38,127 --> 01:11:39,763
and to come and say,"I'm gonna say that
1468
01:11:39,796 --> 01:11:43,667
the man who is the mouthpiece
of God was wrong."
1469
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:46,803
Her example
will shine a light
1470
01:11:46,836 --> 01:11:48,605
of hope for others.
1471
01:11:48,638 --> 01:11:51,107
That was
really scary for her.
1472
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:52,108
Really scary.
1473
01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:55,845
Talk about a hero.
1474
01:11:55,879 --> 01:11:57,381
When I was young,
1475
01:11:57,414 --> 01:11:59,115
my mother taught me
1476
01:11:59,148 --> 01:12:03,553
that evil flourishes
when good men do nothing.
1477
01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,922
This has not
been easy for us.
1478
01:12:05,955 --> 01:12:08,658
The easy thing
would've been to do nothing.
1479
01:12:12,696 --> 01:12:15,765
I have a pictureof her standing there
1480
01:12:15,799 --> 01:12:20,103
alone in front of a microphonewith all the cameras around.
1481
01:12:20,136 --> 01:12:24,408
She demonstrated enormous
courage and fortitude.
1482
01:12:24,441 --> 01:12:26,576
She was definitely
the right person
1483
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:29,613
at the right timefor the right job.
1484
01:12:29,646 --> 01:12:31,415
Without Elissa,
1485
01:12:31,448 --> 01:12:36,486
it's very probable that Warrenwouldn't be in prison.
1486
01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:40,457
Aboard this helicopter,
1487
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:42,692
the man thousands believeis a prophet of God,
1488
01:12:42,726 --> 01:12:45,061
Warren Jeffs,being transported to jail
1489
01:12:45,094 --> 01:12:46,696
as a convicted felon.
1490
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:52,969
I was hopeful at the timethat that would be
1491
01:12:53,002 --> 01:12:54,904
a turning pointfor his people.
1492
01:12:54,938 --> 01:12:56,773
It didn't really
turn out that way.
1493
01:13:04,981 --> 01:13:07,150
Warren Jeffs,the leader of the largest
1494
01:13:07,183 --> 01:13:08,985
polygamist sectin North America
1495
01:13:09,018 --> 01:13:11,455
receivedtwo consecutive sentences
1496
01:13:11,488 --> 01:13:13,189
of five years to life.
1497
01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:16,125
Unfortunately, the story doesn't
end when Warren goes to prison.
1498
01:13:18,094 --> 01:13:19,796
At this point within the FLDS,
1499
01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,865
the stakeswere incredibly high.
1500
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:24,834
They've lived their entire life
in a state of
1501
01:13:24,868 --> 01:13:26,436
horrific fear.
1502
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:28,505
And now,the outside world
1503
01:13:28,538 --> 01:13:30,640
had the communityunder the microscope.
1504
01:13:46,556 --> 01:13:48,525
They brought in their lines
1505
01:13:48,558 --> 01:13:49,959
of officers.
1506
01:13:49,993 --> 01:13:51,194
"If you resist,
1507
01:13:51,227 --> 01:13:52,996
we will arrest you."
1508
01:13:53,029 --> 01:13:55,865
I'm Rich Matthewsin El Dorado, Texas
1509
01:13:55,899 --> 01:13:57,967
where authorities are
serving a search warrant
1510
01:13:58,001 --> 01:13:59,969
on the compound
of Warren Jeffs.
1511
01:14:00,003 --> 01:14:02,205
We knew about
the compound in Texas.
1512
01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,007
Very secretive.
1513
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,543
And we knew there wasa lot going on down there.
1514
01:14:06,576 --> 01:14:08,512
When they finallygained entrance,
1515
01:14:08,545 --> 01:14:09,713
they began to witness
1516
01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:11,080
young girls
that were pregnant.
1517
01:14:13,216 --> 01:14:16,853
Texas walked in preparedfor what they were faced with.
1518
01:14:16,886 --> 01:14:19,789
They were under the impression
there was a small amount
of children
1519
01:14:19,823 --> 01:14:21,157
and they were just there
to kind of investigate.
1520
01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:22,959
They really wanted to
1521
01:14:22,992 --> 01:14:24,661
do the right thing.
1522
01:14:24,694 --> 01:14:26,095
And it was just kind ofthe snowball effect
1523
01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:27,864
that ultimately leadto all of the children
1524
01:14:27,897 --> 01:14:28,898
being removed.
1525
01:14:28,932 --> 01:14:30,233
They ended up removing
1526
01:14:30,266 --> 01:14:32,068
463 children
1527
01:14:32,101 --> 01:14:33,670
from the YFZ Ranch.
1528
01:14:33,703 --> 01:14:36,906
The problem was
1529
01:14:36,940 --> 01:14:39,576
the optics publically
were terrible.
1530
01:14:42,812 --> 01:14:44,548
If you paradesobbing mothers
1531
01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:47,817
on television, ournatural instinct for viewers
1532
01:14:47,851 --> 01:14:49,986
are to say,"Oh, that's horrible,"
1533
01:14:50,019 --> 01:14:51,688
without even thinking
for a second
1534
01:14:51,721 --> 01:14:53,690
that there's a reason
that they were taken away.
1535
01:14:53,723 --> 01:14:56,192
I want the world to know
1536
01:14:56,225 --> 01:14:59,529
that I forgive everybody.
1537
01:14:59,563 --> 01:15:01,865
We want our children,they took 'em.
1538
01:15:01,898 --> 01:15:04,901
They didn't give us
a chance to say goodbye.
1539
01:15:04,934 --> 01:15:07,937
They'd created this PR image
1540
01:15:07,971 --> 01:15:10,039
of the 1953 raid.
1541
01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:16,312
And that's whatthey tried to recreate.
1542
01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:18,047
And in some sense,
1543
01:15:18,081 --> 01:15:19,883
they accomplished that.
1544
01:15:24,053 --> 01:15:25,755
The FLDS hierarchy
1545
01:15:25,789 --> 01:15:28,892
knows the optics.
1546
01:15:28,925 --> 01:15:30,960
They're good at
seizing the moment
1547
01:15:30,994 --> 01:15:33,830
and presenting
their victimization.
1548
01:15:33,863 --> 01:15:35,632
The timing of the Texas raidcouldn't have been better
1549
01:15:35,665 --> 01:15:37,601
for Warren.
1550
01:15:37,634 --> 01:15:39,268
Sadly, it played rightinto his narrative.
1551
01:15:39,302 --> 01:15:42,572
Evil was trying harderthan ever to take out
1552
01:15:42,606 --> 01:15:43,807
the Lord's people.
1553
01:15:51,981 --> 01:15:53,850
There are somedisturbing new details
1554
01:15:53,883 --> 01:15:55,785
about what investigators
have found
1555
01:15:55,819 --> 01:15:58,021
during their now concluded
search of that compound.
1556
01:15:58,054 --> 01:16:01,024
In this photo, crime scenetechnicians are seen
1557
01:16:01,057 --> 01:16:02,225
examining a bed
1558
01:16:02,258 --> 01:16:03,727
found in the temple.
1559
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,194
A bed investigators say
1560
01:16:05,228 --> 01:16:07,631
maybe have been usedto consummate marriages
1561
01:16:07,664 --> 01:16:09,933
between adult menand underage girls.
1562
01:16:09,966 --> 01:16:12,035
Texas prosecutorsare said to have
1563
01:16:12,068 --> 01:16:13,637
church marriage records,
1564
01:16:13,670 --> 01:16:15,905
photos,even DNA evidence
1565
01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:17,874
that Warren Jeffs had sex
1566
01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:19,676
with girls as young as 12.
1567
01:16:33,322 --> 01:16:35,792
Mr. Jeffs,
1568
01:16:35,825 --> 01:16:39,295
did you rape
those two girls?
1569
01:16:39,328 --> 01:16:42,365
Warren Jeffs decided he wantedto represent himself.
1570
01:16:42,398 --> 01:16:44,133
I can tell youwith complete
1571
01:16:44,167 --> 01:16:47,871
conviction that
that was a bad idea.
1572
01:16:47,904 --> 01:16:51,675
He got up,talking about religious history
1573
01:16:51,708 --> 01:16:56,079
and the persecution of hispeople over the last 150 years.
1574
01:16:56,112 --> 01:16:57,881
Your eyes glazed over.
1575
01:16:57,914 --> 01:17:00,116
In his closing argument,
1576
01:17:00,149 --> 01:17:01,818
Warren Jeffs stood silent,
1577
01:17:01,851 --> 01:17:05,054
staring at the jurorsfor 30 minutes,
1578
01:17:05,088 --> 01:17:09,192
speaking only once saying,"I am at peace."
1579
01:17:09,225 --> 01:17:10,760
He's a pervert.
1580
01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:13,162
And the crazy thing is
1581
01:17:13,196 --> 01:17:16,733
is he perverted
his own religion.
1582
01:17:16,766 --> 01:17:19,869
Warren Jeffs has been sentencedto life in prison.
1583
01:17:19,903 --> 01:17:22,005
Jeffs was convictedin Texas
1584
01:17:22,038 --> 01:17:24,974
of having sex with girlsas young as 12.
1585
01:17:25,008 --> 01:17:26,676
He won't beeligible for parole until
1586
01:17:26,710 --> 01:17:28,812
he's at least100 years old.
1587
01:17:35,852 --> 01:17:38,688
It was really hardto hear the sentence.
1588
01:17:38,722 --> 01:17:39,823
In my mind,
1589
01:17:39,856 --> 01:17:41,357
I was like,
"It'll never--
1590
01:17:41,390 --> 01:17:42,458
it's never gonna
be that long,
1591
01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:44,728
they have no way
to hold him."
1592
01:17:44,761 --> 01:17:47,296
'Cause Father would
tell us stories about,
1593
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:49,065
in the Bible
or stuff where
1594
01:17:49,098 --> 01:17:52,201
God delivered people from
the hands of their enemies.
1595
01:17:52,235 --> 01:17:54,170
He said that
that could happen for him
1596
01:17:54,203 --> 01:17:57,774
if we were good enough
for it to happen.
1597
01:18:06,415 --> 01:18:09,018
Sad to say,after some amount of time
1598
01:18:09,052 --> 01:18:12,088
his motherand some others go in
1599
01:18:12,121 --> 01:18:14,257
and convince him thathe is the prophet.
1600
01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:16,926
And now he's back
in being the prophet again.
1601
01:18:20,096 --> 01:18:22,098
His followers,they don't believe it.
1602
01:18:22,131 --> 01:18:23,432
They don't believe
any of this stuff.
1603
01:18:23,466 --> 01:18:25,769
"I don't believethe confessions,
1604
01:18:25,802 --> 01:18:28,204
I don't believethat he's doing this."
1605
01:18:28,237 --> 01:18:30,273
The follower wants tohave somebody
1606
01:18:30,306 --> 01:18:31,808
to tell themwho they are
1607
01:18:31,841 --> 01:18:33,342
and that they're special.
1608
01:18:33,376 --> 01:18:36,345
The followers often
sacrifice a great deal,
1609
01:18:36,379 --> 01:18:38,414
but, in return,they get this confidence
1610
01:18:38,447 --> 01:18:40,049
that they are differentthan all the evil people
1611
01:18:40,083 --> 01:18:41,417
out in the world today,
1612
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:44,220
that they'reGod's special people.
1613
01:18:44,253 --> 01:18:45,755
In some ways, I think that
1614
01:18:45,789 --> 01:18:49,258
Warren is maybe evenmore effective
1615
01:18:49,292 --> 01:18:50,860
from behind bars
1616
01:18:50,894 --> 01:18:52,829
than he was
outside of prison.
1617
01:18:52,862 --> 01:18:56,099
In prison,he's a martyr.
1618
01:18:56,132 --> 01:18:57,433
And the people believe that
1619
01:18:57,466 --> 01:19:00,536
he is there atoningfor their sins,
1620
01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:02,205
for their misgivings,
1621
01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:05,809
and that they needto try harder.
1622
01:19:05,842 --> 01:19:07,543
Basically, we blamed ourselves.
1623
01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:11,314
We knew it was because
we didn't exert the faith
1624
01:19:11,347 --> 01:19:14,317
and we weren't worthy
to have him among us
1625
01:19:14,350 --> 01:19:16,319
and that's why the Lord
took him away.
1626
01:19:16,352 --> 01:19:19,155
That's... very muchthe mindset that we had.
1627
01:19:21,224 --> 01:19:23,893
That is really the sourceof Warren's power,
1628
01:19:23,927 --> 01:19:27,163
is that loyaltyand blind obedience.
1629
01:19:36,005 --> 01:19:37,941
I grew upin Colorado City, Arizona,
1630
01:19:37,974 --> 01:19:40,109
Short Creek.
1631
01:19:40,143 --> 01:19:42,045
My dad,
1632
01:19:42,078 --> 01:19:44,347
he actually came out
1633
01:19:44,380 --> 01:19:48,117
and said that, um...
1634
01:19:48,151 --> 01:19:51,220
that he still believed
in Warren Jeffs.
1635
01:19:51,254 --> 01:19:53,957
And I just didn'tbelieve that.
1636
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:55,959
So he just said,"Pack your things and go."
1637
01:20:01,097 --> 01:20:05,068
I have three little sisters
that I can't say hi to,
1638
01:20:05,101 --> 01:20:06,903
not even "Hi."
1639
01:20:06,936 --> 01:20:08,404
And they don't even
remember who I am
1640
01:20:08,437 --> 01:20:10,439
because you don't
let me come around.
1641
01:20:10,473 --> 01:20:13,576
And now they're seven years old.
1642
01:20:18,081 --> 01:20:21,084
That I can't be a part ofthe family I grew up with.
1643
01:20:23,486 --> 01:20:25,354
Warren's in jail
1644
01:20:25,388 --> 01:20:30,860
and he's stillcontrolling that town.
1645
01:20:30,894 --> 01:20:32,395
It's kind of despicable
1646
01:20:32,428 --> 01:20:35,064
what he's still allowed
to get away with
1647
01:20:35,098 --> 01:20:37,066
from behind bars.
1648
01:20:43,472 --> 01:20:46,209
The last time I took
Warren Jeff's deposition
1649
01:20:46,242 --> 01:20:47,944
was in Palestine, Texas.
1650
01:20:47,977 --> 01:20:50,579
This is continued deposition
of Warren Jeffs
1651
01:20:50,613 --> 01:20:53,382
taken on February 13, 2014.
1652
01:20:53,416 --> 01:20:55,885
We're on the record
at 2:08 p.m.
1653
01:20:55,919 --> 01:20:57,586
We wanted togive him a chance
1654
01:20:57,620 --> 01:21:01,590
to maybe explainto the FLDS people
1655
01:21:01,624 --> 01:21:03,426
and the public in general
1656
01:21:03,459 --> 01:21:05,028
what he was thinking.
1657
01:21:05,061 --> 01:21:06,229
And give him a chance
1658
01:21:06,262 --> 01:21:08,965
to come clean.
1659
01:21:08,998 --> 01:21:10,266
Well,
he didn't come clean.
1660
01:21:18,341 --> 01:21:21,410
All of a sudden, he's takingthe Fifth Amendment.
1661
01:21:21,444 --> 01:21:24,180
I don't know
how much guilt's there,
1662
01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:26,449
how much shame is there.
1663
01:21:29,085 --> 01:21:32,488
The fact that Warren Jeffsis incarcerated in Texas
1664
01:21:32,521 --> 01:21:36,325
has done nothing
to diminish his control
1665
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:39,262
over the everyday lives
of FLDS members
1666
01:21:39,295 --> 01:21:40,563
How do you feel
that he's in jail,
1667
01:21:40,596 --> 01:21:41,998
maybe for
the rest of his life?
1668
01:21:42,031 --> 01:21:43,299
I feel really bad.
1669
01:21:43,332 --> 01:21:45,068
I love him,
I know that he loves me.
1670
01:21:45,101 --> 01:21:48,204
He continues to serveas the prophet
1671
01:21:48,237 --> 01:21:51,640
and, at leastas of January 2016,
1672
01:21:51,674 --> 01:21:54,110
we had evidence
that he continued
1673
01:21:54,143 --> 01:21:56,479
to direct the day-to-day
operations of the church.
1674
01:21:58,647 --> 01:22:03,319
Including thingslike excommunicatingindividual members
1675
01:22:03,352 --> 01:22:04,988
and directing what women
1676
01:22:05,021 --> 01:22:09,058
should be placedwith what caretakers.
1677
01:22:09,092 --> 01:22:11,527
The prisonin Texas suspected
1678
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,662
that Warren Jeffs'
brothers were
1679
01:22:13,696 --> 01:22:16,332
were using hiddenrecording devices
1680
01:22:16,365 --> 01:22:18,968
to capture their weeklymeetings with him.
1681
01:22:19,002 --> 01:22:22,005
Devices disguisedas watches and pens.
1682
01:22:22,038 --> 01:22:24,473
Warren Jeffs was sending out
coded letters.
1683
01:22:24,507 --> 01:22:27,510
A handful of trusted wiveswere the ones
1684
01:22:27,543 --> 01:22:29,678
who were able tounencrypt those letters
1685
01:22:29,712 --> 01:22:30,980
and get the messages back
1686
01:22:31,014 --> 01:22:32,448
to Short Creek.
1687
01:22:35,184 --> 01:22:36,352
Father Calvin said, "Yes,
1688
01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:38,187
the work's not stopped,
1689
01:22:38,221 --> 01:22:40,056
and we're going
to keep going.
1690
01:22:40,089 --> 01:22:42,258
Heavenly Father's guiding us
how he wants,
1691
01:22:42,291 --> 01:22:43,559
so you need to
stay focused."
1692
01:22:43,592 --> 01:22:45,728
Even though he was in jail,
1693
01:22:45,761 --> 01:22:48,731
he would tell us "I'm happierthan I've ever been before."
1694
01:22:48,764 --> 01:22:50,733
There's no hardship on him.
1695
01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:52,501
What's changed?
1696
01:22:52,535 --> 01:22:54,237
He's justnot driving around,
1697
01:22:54,270 --> 01:22:56,672
kicking the dustoff his boots.
1698
01:22:56,705 --> 01:23:01,177
Right now, he still gets
visits from his wives.
1699
01:23:01,210 --> 01:23:04,980
He's still feeding his doctrine
to the people of the FLDS.
1700
01:23:11,487 --> 01:23:13,756
You can't justgo into that town
1701
01:23:13,789 --> 01:23:16,725
with an ice cream truck
and get on a megaphone
1702
01:23:16,759 --> 01:23:21,364
and say, "What you believe
is bull, here's why."
1703
01:23:21,397 --> 01:23:22,631
You can't just list off
the reasons.
1704
01:23:22,665 --> 01:23:26,702
All you can really do is
1705
01:23:26,735 --> 01:23:29,505
show your support.
1706
01:23:29,538 --> 01:23:30,739
And when they're ready to
1707
01:23:30,773 --> 01:23:33,542
make that stepto come out,
1708
01:23:33,576 --> 01:23:35,578
all you can dois be there for 'em.
1709
01:23:38,647 --> 01:23:41,050
It takes generationsto overcome,
1710
01:23:41,084 --> 01:23:43,119
but you believeto your core.
1711
01:23:43,152 --> 01:23:46,322
Just as it takes generations
to instill
1712
01:23:46,355 --> 01:23:48,624
new cores for
future generations.
1713
01:23:48,657 --> 01:23:53,062
Dr. Fischer actually pays
for my books in college.
1714
01:23:56,699 --> 01:23:58,734
They gave usthe possibility
1715
01:23:58,767 --> 01:24:01,170
for a good future.
1716
01:24:01,204 --> 01:24:03,772
And I've chosento live a different life.
1717
01:24:03,806 --> 01:24:06,509
More and more people
are starting to wake up.
1718
01:24:06,542 --> 01:24:08,811
That's the term they use,
they're waking up.
1719
01:24:16,619 --> 01:24:18,387
They started with 200 children,
1720
01:24:18,421 --> 01:24:21,824
and this year they beganwith almost 600 kids.
1721
01:24:21,857 --> 01:24:24,127
Families are puttingtheir children
1722
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,229
in school, they're going
against their culturing,
1723
01:24:26,262 --> 01:24:27,696
and their brainwashing,
1724
01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:29,832
and they're choosing to
make a life for themselves.
1725
01:24:32,301 --> 01:24:35,404
I moved back and so didmany, many other people.
1726
01:24:35,438 --> 01:24:36,605
And we moved backwith a reason.
1727
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:39,275
I believe that we can
1728
01:24:39,308 --> 01:24:40,776
recover this town.
1729
01:25:04,267 --> 01:25:06,902
I still love him'cause he's my father.
1730
01:25:06,935 --> 01:25:10,239
I am so sad that he's madethe choices he's made
1731
01:25:10,273 --> 01:25:12,775
I don't justify him, ever,
1732
01:25:12,808 --> 01:25:16,179
but it makes me sad
that he has made those choices.
1733
01:25:16,212 --> 01:25:17,546
and that he has to suffer.
1734
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:19,748
I want to forgive him,
1735
01:25:19,782 --> 01:25:23,319
but realizingwhat he's done,
1736
01:25:23,352 --> 01:25:26,389
it would require something
pretty drastic for me
to forgive him,
1737
01:25:26,422 --> 01:25:28,557
but it's not happened yet.
1738
01:25:28,591 --> 01:25:31,294
Not happened yet.
1739
01:25:34,763 --> 01:25:36,499
There is no wayto see it fairly
1740
01:25:36,532 --> 01:25:39,668
from the outside world.
1741
01:25:39,702 --> 01:25:41,837
I hope that peoplewill understand
1742
01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:43,806
what those religious peopleare going through
1743
01:25:43,839 --> 01:25:46,742
and why they maketheir choices.
1744
01:25:46,775 --> 01:25:49,278
They made their mistakes.
1745
01:25:49,312 --> 01:25:51,647
And they're still--
they have good in 'em,
1746
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,782
they did good things
in their life.
1747
01:25:56,285 --> 01:25:58,821
Hear, little children,
1748
01:25:58,854 --> 01:26:00,589
that I will lead you.
1749
01:26:00,623 --> 01:26:02,758
Let's tie ourselvesto the prophet,
1750
01:26:02,791 --> 01:26:06,229
purifying ourselveswhere we can
1751
01:26:06,262 --> 01:26:08,931
always keep sweet...
1752
01:26:08,964 --> 01:26:10,333
no matter what.
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