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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:28,162 Mr. Jeffs, did you rape those two girls? 2 00:00:30,131 --> 00:00:32,800 Mr. Jeffs? 3 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:36,204 The trial was of Warren Jeffs was as bizarre 4 00:00:36,237 --> 00:00:38,272 as anything I have ever seen 5 00:00:38,306 --> 00:00:39,840 because, at one point, 6 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:42,576 they played the audio. 7 00:00:56,557 --> 00:00:58,592 Warren Jeffs had recorded himself 8 00:00:58,626 --> 00:01:00,761 basically committing statutory rape 9 00:01:00,794 --> 00:01:02,696 against one of these little girls. 10 00:01:08,269 --> 00:01:10,871 His creepy voice basically 11 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:12,506 grooming her moments before 12 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:14,475 he was about to sexually assault her. 13 00:01:21,715 --> 00:01:23,384 It was stunning. 14 00:01:23,417 --> 00:01:26,187 This little timid voice responding to him. 15 00:01:33,261 --> 00:01:34,895 It was probably a really good thing 16 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:37,698 that there were all these big Texas Rangers 17 00:01:37,731 --> 00:01:39,900 in that courtroom 18 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:42,570 because I think that jury would've jumped across the railing 19 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:44,738 and killed him with their bare hands. 20 00:01:44,772 --> 00:01:47,875 So anxious for Heavenly Father's spirit to guide me 21 00:01:47,908 --> 00:01:51,279 and all of you can receive the truth. 22 00:01:51,312 --> 00:01:52,913 Osama bin Laden and eight other men 23 00:01:52,946 --> 00:01:55,483 were joined on the FBI's Most Wanted List 24 00:01:55,516 --> 00:01:57,518 by Warren Jeffs. 25 00:01:57,551 --> 00:01:58,919 Prophet Warren Jeffs 26 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:00,621 is considered one of the most sinister 27 00:02:00,654 --> 00:02:02,490 polygamists of his time. 28 00:02:02,523 --> 00:02:06,227 I think he had 78 wives. 29 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:09,363 Young girls no more than 12 or 13 years old. 30 00:02:09,397 --> 00:02:10,831 My dad is a pedophile. 31 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:14,735 I had tried so hard to protect my children. 32 00:02:14,768 --> 00:02:16,837 I think he's a sociopath. 33 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:18,372 He was able to convince 34 00:02:18,406 --> 00:02:19,740 15,000 people 35 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:21,875 that he was Jesus Christ to them. 36 00:02:21,909 --> 00:02:25,313 I love him, I know that he loves me. 37 00:02:25,346 --> 00:02:27,381 The level of blind obedience 38 00:02:27,415 --> 00:02:28,682 is staggering. 39 00:02:28,716 --> 00:02:29,750 It is a complete 40 00:02:29,783 --> 00:02:31,219 church-run state. 41 00:02:31,252 --> 00:02:33,787 If there were a Taliban of America, 42 00:02:33,821 --> 00:02:35,389 I would say this is it. 43 00:02:35,423 --> 00:02:36,390 The church and Warren 44 00:02:36,424 --> 00:02:38,259 controlled everything. 45 00:02:38,292 --> 00:02:40,261 He's either the mouthpiece of God 46 00:02:40,294 --> 00:02:42,663 or the most evil person on Earth. 47 00:02:42,696 --> 00:02:44,832 Everybody deserves to know the truth. 48 00:02:44,865 --> 00:02:46,800 And it will shock the world, the evidence that comes out. 49 00:02:46,834 --> 00:02:47,801 Mr. Jeffs, 50 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:49,270 should your followers 51 00:02:49,303 --> 00:02:50,804 still consider you a prophet? 52 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:52,973 Warren Jeffs is a monster. 53 00:03:27,308 --> 00:03:30,010 Hello, everybody. 54 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,612 Wonderful to see you. 55 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:33,914 - You all fit in. 56 00:03:33,981 --> 00:03:35,549 I remember Father telling me once, 57 00:03:35,583 --> 00:03:38,552 "There's two things a man loves... 58 00:03:40,588 --> 00:03:42,556 women and power." 59 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:45,293 And he says, "But they love power more." 60 00:03:45,326 --> 00:03:47,661 Which position's better? 61 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:49,263 No, this is fine. 62 00:03:49,297 --> 00:03:51,332 You don't need to lean over, that's fine. 63 00:03:51,365 --> 00:03:52,633 I can see them. 64 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:55,002 - Do you see me? 65 00:03:55,035 --> 00:03:58,439 Warren Jeffs was a special kind of predator. 66 00:03:58,472 --> 00:04:01,409 He learned how to control 67 00:04:01,442 --> 00:04:02,910 and manipulate people 68 00:04:02,976 --> 00:04:04,712 to the point that they couldn't see 69 00:04:04,745 --> 00:04:06,914 the real him. 70 00:04:13,854 --> 00:04:15,456 He has co-opted 71 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:18,426 the religious faith of believers 72 00:04:18,459 --> 00:04:21,061 and manipulated and maintained his power 73 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:23,397 over them in a way that satisfies 74 00:04:23,431 --> 00:04:27,401 whatever personal pleasure he gets. 75 00:04:27,435 --> 00:04:29,470 I see him as both a narcissist 76 00:04:29,503 --> 00:04:30,471 and a sociopath. 77 00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:33,307 There is this grandiose 78 00:04:33,341 --> 00:04:35,008 false sense of self. 79 00:04:35,042 --> 00:04:37,878 And other people tend to be kind of objects to him. 80 00:04:37,911 --> 00:04:40,981 There's been people who've stood in front of trains, 81 00:04:41,014 --> 00:04:42,950 shot themselves, poisoned themselves 82 00:04:42,983 --> 00:04:44,418 because of Warren's 83 00:04:44,452 --> 00:04:47,588 ability to decimate their lives. 84 00:04:47,688 --> 00:04:49,890 The man has blood on his hands. 85 00:04:49,923 --> 00:04:52,526 He's as guilty as if he had put the gun to someone's head 86 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,927 and pulled the trigger. 87 00:04:53,961 --> 00:04:55,863 This story of Warren Jeffs 88 00:04:55,896 --> 00:04:57,398 has to be told 89 00:04:57,465 --> 00:04:58,466 because the values, 90 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:00,868 the virtues of good people 91 00:05:00,901 --> 00:05:02,970 has been marched through and destroyed. 92 00:05:03,036 --> 00:05:04,905 A lot of people ask, 93 00:05:04,938 --> 00:05:07,074 "How did Warren do what he did?" 94 00:05:07,107 --> 00:05:10,878 And it stems fear. 95 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:14,815 And Warren became a master at commanding fear. 96 00:05:14,848 --> 00:05:19,052 Well, thank you, that was a privilege. 97 00:05:31,632 --> 00:05:35,369 In many ways, Warren Jeffs was sort of the anointed prince. 98 00:05:35,403 --> 00:05:36,970 Came from this prominent family, 99 00:05:37,004 --> 00:05:41,575 Rulon Jeffs and Merilyn Steed. 100 00:05:41,609 --> 00:05:44,111 Rulon Jeffs, the businessman, 101 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:46,113 he was just focused on his job 102 00:05:46,146 --> 00:05:49,817 and he was very well-scriptured, 103 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:51,852 and he was a no-nonsense kind of person, 104 00:05:51,885 --> 00:05:53,521 and he didn't like jokes, 105 00:05:53,554 --> 00:05:55,155 and he didn't laugh at them. 106 00:05:55,188 --> 00:05:57,391 And, you know, he was just one of those kind of guys. 107 00:05:57,425 --> 00:05:58,826 He was really tough. 108 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:00,461 I think that he 109 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:02,996 lived a life of shutting the outside world out. 110 00:06:03,030 --> 00:06:06,534 He had great big concrete walls around his home 111 00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:08,001 in Salt Lake. 112 00:06:08,068 --> 00:06:10,738 By and large, the Jeffs were reclusive. 113 00:06:18,546 --> 00:06:22,916 So Grandfather Rulon ended up marrying a lot of women, 114 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:25,118 but they didn't all live in the same house 115 00:06:25,419 --> 00:06:27,988 until my father was 14 years old. 116 00:06:28,021 --> 00:06:30,991 That's when all the families came together 117 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:33,060 and lived under one roof. 118 00:06:33,093 --> 00:06:36,096 I know he had a lot of struggles 119 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:38,065 as a family coming together. 120 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:39,500 Warren is 121 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:41,969 the son of a polygamist, 122 00:06:42,002 --> 00:06:43,871 which means you have a lot of competition 123 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:44,972 for your father's affection, 124 00:06:45,005 --> 00:06:47,040 You have to stand out, 125 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:50,043 and Warren wasn't really remarkable. 126 00:06:50,077 --> 00:06:52,012 My understanding 127 00:06:52,045 --> 00:06:54,582 was that Warren Jeffs was a nerd. 128 00:06:54,648 --> 00:06:58,452 Smart, really liked technology, 129 00:06:58,486 --> 00:06:59,987 but awkward. 130 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:01,589 He didn't have a lot of education 131 00:07:01,622 --> 00:07:03,591 when it came to sexuality, 132 00:07:03,624 --> 00:07:06,760 or growing, or how his body would change. 133 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:10,130 Being raised in a large family, 134 00:07:10,163 --> 00:07:13,901 you have lots of kids without adult supervision 135 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:17,838 and you have a lot of access to 136 00:07:17,905 --> 00:07:20,173 really complicated situations where 137 00:07:20,207 --> 00:07:22,910 you have maybe a half-sister that you weren't raised with 138 00:07:22,943 --> 00:07:24,878 and all of a sudden, you're 13 and you see this 139 00:07:24,945 --> 00:07:27,080 cute girl, and she's your half-sister, 140 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:28,949 but you're not quite sure what the rules are. 141 00:07:34,955 --> 00:07:36,056 When Warren was a boy, 142 00:07:36,089 --> 00:07:38,091 all the women and children 143 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:41,562 would put paper over the windows, 144 00:07:41,595 --> 00:07:42,630 towels under the doors 145 00:07:42,663 --> 00:07:44,064 because Warren was a voyeur. 146 00:07:44,097 --> 00:07:46,567 He had learned how to peek in 147 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,702 on the girls changing their clothes. 148 00:07:51,004 --> 00:07:52,506 Warren would have been around 149 00:07:52,540 --> 00:07:55,242 some family members who, 150 00:07:55,509 --> 00:07:56,777 the rumors are, 151 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,912 that their families were known for... 152 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:00,948 sexual abuse. 153 00:08:00,981 --> 00:08:03,751 My wife has a master's degree in psychology, 154 00:08:03,784 --> 00:08:06,153 and she tells me all the time that 155 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:08,288 an individual that ends up like Warren 156 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:13,093 usually has had it done to him in some way. 157 00:08:13,126 --> 00:08:15,529 There is a lot of speculation on that 158 00:08:15,563 --> 00:08:18,131 I don't know how you would tell that for sure. 159 00:08:18,165 --> 00:08:23,036 I do believe, I believe he probably was. 160 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:25,906 I believe there was a lot of unhealthy sexual 161 00:08:25,973 --> 00:08:28,241 desires and questions and problems that were swirling 162 00:08:28,275 --> 00:08:29,610 within that family. 163 00:08:29,677 --> 00:08:32,613 I think not having an education 164 00:08:32,646 --> 00:08:35,048 and maybe being victimized himself 165 00:08:35,082 --> 00:08:36,850 really added onto the fact 166 00:08:36,884 --> 00:08:38,586 that he turned around and became a perpetrator. 167 00:08:40,287 --> 00:08:44,091 Warren molested many of his sisters. 168 00:08:44,124 --> 00:08:45,893 The three that I had married, 169 00:08:45,926 --> 00:08:50,263 he had molested all three of them. 170 00:08:50,297 --> 00:08:53,066 Would you tell us your full name 171 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,168 and the community in which you reside? 172 00:08:57,605 --> 00:09:00,107 Lorraine Jeffs Johnson. 173 00:09:03,343 --> 00:09:04,978 "This first couple of times, 174 00:09:05,012 --> 00:09:07,815 you took me into your room downstairs..." 175 00:09:14,722 --> 00:09:17,625 Do you remember that happening? 176 00:09:17,658 --> 00:09:19,226 Yes. 177 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:22,930 "Another time, taking me into the bathroom 178 00:09:22,963 --> 00:09:24,865 by the backdoor. 179 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:26,734 You took off your clothes and mine 180 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:30,070 and you asked if I wanted to see what makes babies." 181 00:09:30,103 --> 00:09:32,205 Do you remember that happening? 182 00:09:32,272 --> 00:09:33,907 Yes. 183 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:38,612 Was this again when you were about 14? 184 00:09:38,646 --> 00:09:42,916 It could've even been in my 15th year. 185 00:09:42,950 --> 00:09:45,953 I remember thinking, 186 00:09:45,986 --> 00:09:49,356 "Do all my brothers do this to all my sisters? 187 00:09:49,623 --> 00:09:51,692 Was this a common thing?" 188 00:09:51,725 --> 00:09:53,193 I didn't know, 189 00:09:53,226 --> 00:09:55,863 I was never taught one way or the other. 190 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,269 Whatever Warren was dealing with, 191 00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:05,038 it seems to me that shame is a huge element there. 192 00:10:05,072 --> 00:10:08,408 And I think he tried to make sense of it. 193 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:12,345 And so, he studied and read Mormon theology, 194 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:15,916 spent hours looking for old Mormon documents, 195 00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:17,918 trying to reconcile that shame... 196 00:10:19,152 --> 00:10:20,353 with God. 197 00:10:21,722 --> 00:10:22,790 The religious studies 198 00:10:22,823 --> 00:10:24,324 must've made him feel good. 199 00:10:25,859 --> 00:10:27,294 It made him feel like 200 00:10:27,327 --> 00:10:29,029 he was being a good person. 201 00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:30,130 And I think he tried to deny 202 00:10:30,163 --> 00:10:32,099 what he was becoming. 203 00:10:34,034 --> 00:10:36,904 He was looking for himself outside himself. 204 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:38,872 That probably limited his own 205 00:10:38,906 --> 00:10:40,340 real, deep self-awareness. 206 00:10:40,373 --> 00:10:42,710 He was blinded in many ways 207 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:45,378 to his own impulses and thinking 208 00:10:45,412 --> 00:10:48,448 that later come up and begin to create problems for him. 209 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:51,184 He felt like that he was 210 00:10:51,251 --> 00:10:53,120 not accountable at all to anybody. 211 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:54,955 That he was just accountable to God. 212 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:58,859 Then that put this thing on such a reckless course. 213 00:10:58,926 --> 00:11:00,794 I think it was the beginning 214 00:11:00,828 --> 00:11:02,262 of big trouble. 215 00:11:14,107 --> 00:11:15,342 In our religion, 216 00:11:15,375 --> 00:11:18,011 we had a prophet. 217 00:11:18,045 --> 00:11:21,849 And he was the one man on Earth who was God to us. 218 00:11:23,450 --> 00:11:25,252 For many generations, 219 00:11:25,285 --> 00:11:28,856 any logic or any reasoning or thinking, 220 00:11:28,889 --> 00:11:30,190 these were slowly weeded out, 221 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:33,894 all under the name of religion. 222 00:11:33,927 --> 00:11:38,031 I look back on it and Warren did not just appear out of nowhere. 223 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:42,269 An entire society created him. 224 00:11:42,302 --> 00:11:45,873 They all prepared the pathway that he came on. 225 00:11:45,906 --> 00:11:49,176 This story started long before Warren Jeffs 226 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:52,379 That community has been operating, basically, 227 00:11:52,412 --> 00:11:55,715 in the same fashion for generations. 228 00:11:59,987 --> 00:12:03,891 Father very much took inspiration from Joseph Smith. 229 00:12:03,924 --> 00:12:05,859 He always told us that he was here 230 00:12:05,893 --> 00:12:09,129 to continue Joseph Smith's work in the Earth. 231 00:12:09,162 --> 00:12:13,066 And I know that he was probably his role model. 232 00:12:18,271 --> 00:12:20,073 The story goes that 233 00:12:20,107 --> 00:12:22,810 Joseph Smith saw himself as restoring 234 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:24,111 things from Bible. 235 00:12:24,144 --> 00:12:27,280 Abraham had more than one wife 236 00:12:27,314 --> 00:12:29,049 and several others in the Old Testament 237 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,951 had more than one wife. 238 00:12:30,984 --> 00:12:33,553 And so that's when the Lord made known to them 239 00:12:33,586 --> 00:12:35,522 that it was a celestial principle 240 00:12:35,555 --> 00:12:39,359 and that it was something that they should do. 241 00:12:39,392 --> 00:12:41,929 Some Mormons believe that 242 00:12:41,962 --> 00:12:43,330 if you have three wives, 243 00:12:43,363 --> 00:12:45,098 you can go to the lower level 244 00:12:45,132 --> 00:12:47,000 of the highest level of Heaven. 245 00:12:47,034 --> 00:12:49,069 If you have five wives, you go into the middle level. 246 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:51,371 And seven, seven or more, gets you into 247 00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,340 the highest level of the celestial kingdom. 248 00:12:53,373 --> 00:12:56,944 Joseph Smith had about 30, 33 wives. 249 00:12:57,010 --> 00:12:58,278 Was very controversial, 250 00:12:58,311 --> 00:13:00,180 even in the early days of the church. 251 00:13:08,421 --> 00:13:10,123 When we have to abandon 252 00:13:10,157 --> 00:13:12,926 this idea of polygamy, 253 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,829 there are still thousands of people 254 00:13:15,863 --> 00:13:17,097 that are living this principle. 255 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:19,566 What do you do with those people? 256 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:21,201 They don't just, like, disappear 257 00:13:21,234 --> 00:13:23,603 because the church says it's over. 258 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:25,372 Some of the plural families then 259 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,340 were going to Mexico 260 00:13:27,374 --> 00:13:29,309 so that they would hopefully get away from 261 00:13:29,342 --> 00:13:33,113 the legal persecution. 262 00:13:33,146 --> 00:13:38,886 And some of the people went to what now is called Short Creek. 263 00:13:44,892 --> 00:13:47,060 They have to go on this exodus 264 00:13:47,094 --> 00:13:49,062 into the wilderness. 265 00:13:49,096 --> 00:13:50,964 Short Creek is the wilderness. 266 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:56,403 They've got big vermillion cliffs on one side, 267 00:13:56,436 --> 00:13:58,005 Grand Canyon on the other side. 268 00:13:58,038 --> 00:14:01,641 It's the perfect place to hide out. 269 00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:04,444 They went to isolated places 270 00:14:04,477 --> 00:14:07,380 so they could continue what is the most fundamental 271 00:14:07,414 --> 00:14:10,417 and most important practice 272 00:14:10,450 --> 00:14:14,521 plural marriage. 273 00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:16,589 And this little dusty town 274 00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:19,459 morphed into the center 275 00:14:19,492 --> 00:14:22,595 of the practice of polygamy in America, and certainly 276 00:14:22,629 --> 00:14:26,533 the most dramatic example of, in essence, 277 00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:30,270 a small cult called the FLDS Church. 278 00:14:36,309 --> 00:14:38,078 The only way that the fundamentalists 279 00:14:38,145 --> 00:14:39,446 could hold their religion, 280 00:14:39,479 --> 00:14:42,382 they had to go into very isolated places. 281 00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:46,553 And that's part of the context for Warren Jeffs. 282 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:49,656 Isolation worked for a long time for this community, 283 00:14:49,689 --> 00:14:51,458 but it became extremely difficult 284 00:14:51,491 --> 00:14:52,659 to maintain. 285 00:14:55,996 --> 00:14:57,697 In 1953, there was a raid 286 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:01,434 with law enforcement coming from Arizona on one side 287 00:15:01,468 --> 00:15:03,303 and from Utah on the other side 288 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:05,072 to get this community 289 00:15:05,105 --> 00:15:06,606 and shut down plural marriage. 290 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:08,341 It was against the law. 291 00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:09,642 My father was 292 00:15:09,676 --> 00:15:12,946 a 15-year-old boy in the time of the raid. 293 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:15,715 And so he saw a lot of the emotional trauma 294 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:18,952 that was involved in that raid. 295 00:15:18,986 --> 00:15:21,188 At the time, Leroy Johnson, 296 00:15:21,221 --> 00:15:23,690 who was the Fundamentalist Mormon leader there in Short Creek, 297 00:15:23,723 --> 00:15:28,128 his announcement to the Arizona Law Enforcement is, 298 00:15:28,195 --> 00:15:30,430 "These sands will drink our blood 299 00:15:30,463 --> 00:15:32,932 before we're gonna give up our principles." 300 00:15:39,139 --> 00:15:41,975 After the raid of '53, 301 00:15:42,009 --> 00:15:45,378 the people were taught to really live in secret. 302 00:15:45,412 --> 00:15:48,581 In fact, my second mother, 303 00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:51,184 she never came out of the house in the daylight 304 00:15:51,218 --> 00:15:53,153 for 11 years. 305 00:15:53,186 --> 00:15:57,657 They end up having extreme trust for each other 306 00:15:57,690 --> 00:16:01,728 and very little trust for anybody else 307 00:16:01,761 --> 00:16:05,332 because it was them against us, basically. 308 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:08,035 "Life" magazine published a bunch of pictures. 309 00:16:09,736 --> 00:16:10,737 The fallout 310 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:13,006 was very negative 311 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,741 about families being torn apart. 312 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:18,378 It was a public relations disaster. 313 00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:21,414 Arizona and Utah were burned so badly 314 00:16:21,448 --> 00:16:24,051 that, for the most part, 315 00:16:24,117 --> 00:16:28,088 they looked the other way for years. 316 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:32,125 The fallout from all of that 317 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:35,062 basically inoculated the FLDS community 318 00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:38,265 from any outside interference or involvement 319 00:16:38,298 --> 00:16:39,399 for decades. 320 00:16:39,432 --> 00:16:42,535 And in that vacuum, 321 00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:44,737 I have always argued that Warren Jeffs 322 00:16:44,771 --> 00:16:47,407 was a historic inevitability. 323 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,183 The first time I remember 324 00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:58,251 interacting with Warren Jeffs, 325 00:16:58,285 --> 00:17:02,222 I was maybe eight or nine. 326 00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:05,425 And we were climbing the trees. 327 00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:06,726 I was sitting up on a branch 328 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,461 and he's very tall. 329 00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:10,530 And he come up and was standing there talking to us 330 00:17:10,563 --> 00:17:11,798 looking up at us 331 00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:15,368 and he's running his hand up my leg 332 00:17:15,402 --> 00:17:16,769 underneath my dress. 333 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:19,839 Warren Jeffs was absolutely 334 00:17:20,107 --> 00:17:23,443 abusing children from the get-go. 335 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:30,083 Soon after Warren Jeffs 336 00:17:30,117 --> 00:17:31,784 graduated from high school, 337 00:17:31,818 --> 00:17:33,586 he became the principal 338 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:35,822 of what's called the "Alta Academy," 339 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:40,793 where the FLDS kids living in the Salt Lake City area 340 00:17:40,827 --> 00:17:42,595 went to school. 341 00:17:42,629 --> 00:17:44,497 And they were taught a religious curriculum 342 00:17:44,531 --> 00:17:47,434 and Warren Jeffs was made the principal 343 00:17:47,467 --> 00:17:51,104 at age 17 or 18. 344 00:17:51,138 --> 00:17:53,640 His father felt this was a preparation 345 00:17:53,706 --> 00:17:55,408 for him for bigger things. 346 00:17:55,442 --> 00:17:59,179 And Warren took that opportunity. 347 00:17:59,212 --> 00:18:02,115 And so a young generation grew up knowing him 348 00:18:02,149 --> 00:18:05,718 and seeing him as their leader. 349 00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:08,621 Stand up and stretch, please. 350 00:18:08,655 --> 00:18:11,458 - Stretch time. 351 00:18:11,491 --> 00:18:13,193 Your own strength. 352 00:18:13,226 --> 00:18:15,428 He used the Alta Academy 353 00:18:15,462 --> 00:18:17,530 and all of the students 354 00:18:17,564 --> 00:18:19,766 as a means of perfecting 355 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:22,302 his ability 356 00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:24,204 to control people. 357 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:33,880 Warren Jeffs became 358 00:18:33,913 --> 00:18:36,816 obsessed in trying to enforce 359 00:18:36,849 --> 00:18:39,852 such extreme dress codes and the like. 360 00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:44,224 Having 'em stand on a chair to measure 361 00:18:44,257 --> 00:18:45,258 the length of the hem. 362 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:47,660 And so obsessed with 363 00:18:47,694 --> 00:18:51,331 the color red, that nobody could wear red. 364 00:18:51,398 --> 00:18:53,466 He had a craving for power. 365 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:54,901 We learned later 366 00:18:54,934 --> 00:18:57,204 after getting out of there 367 00:18:57,237 --> 00:19:01,274 of scary things that he put those young people through. 368 00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:05,312 You have this incredible power 369 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:09,182 and was grooming them 370 00:19:09,216 --> 00:19:12,585 for his later pleasure. 371 00:19:12,619 --> 00:19:15,355 I trust today I'm talking to young ladies 372 00:19:15,388 --> 00:19:17,857 who are more spiritually minded. 373 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:21,528 Ahead of you is the test of how you will get married. 374 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:23,563 Let the Lord reveal 375 00:19:23,596 --> 00:19:25,398 the man that you belong to. 376 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,535 He used scriptures 377 00:19:28,568 --> 00:19:29,702 and doctrine in theology 378 00:19:29,736 --> 00:19:32,505 to groom his victims. 379 00:19:32,572 --> 00:19:34,207 And I think that that was 380 00:19:34,241 --> 00:19:36,609 more probably for Warren. 381 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:38,411 He needed a scriptural basis 382 00:19:38,445 --> 00:19:39,679 for doing it. 383 00:19:39,712 --> 00:19:41,714 What I noticed about him is that he-- 384 00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:44,484 my older sister was very, like, favored by him 385 00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:46,653 a lot, 386 00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,655 but he didn't ever notice me. 387 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:51,958 I mean, he acted like he didn't. 388 00:19:51,991 --> 00:19:54,394 But I knew he did. 389 00:19:54,427 --> 00:19:58,231 He called in six of my sisters and brothers, 390 00:19:58,265 --> 00:19:59,632 and skipped me. 391 00:19:59,666 --> 00:20:00,967 I'm just like, "Yeah, right." 392 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,370 You knew that I was the only one 393 00:20:03,403 --> 00:20:04,671 you didn't call on. 394 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:06,673 There was no way that you just 395 00:20:06,706 --> 00:20:09,476 didn't notice me at all, you know? 396 00:20:09,509 --> 00:20:11,378 And I knew it was a tactic. 397 00:20:14,781 --> 00:20:16,015 He knew exactly what he was doing, 398 00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:17,784 he preparing the young brides. 399 00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:20,553 And, as he rose in power and prominence, 400 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:23,290 he got to pick the ones that he wanted. 401 00:20:25,492 --> 00:20:27,827 That was like his training ground, 402 00:20:27,860 --> 00:20:29,662 he could setup anybody he wanted to, 403 00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:30,997 go after anybody he wanted to, 404 00:20:31,030 --> 00:20:34,467 and molest anybody he wanted to. 405 00:20:34,501 --> 00:20:36,269 And in the meantime, he's starting to have 406 00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:37,504 his own family. 407 00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:50,016 As the principal's daughter, 408 00:20:50,049 --> 00:20:53,252 Father required us to be a good example 409 00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:55,888 to the rest of the children in the school. 410 00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:58,891 There was always some kind of spiritual teaching 411 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:01,828 to help us become better people. 412 00:21:03,530 --> 00:21:05,665 As a child, we had a lot of fun times 413 00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:07,500 with Father. 414 00:21:07,534 --> 00:21:09,769 He sang with us a lot. 415 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:16,476 He made it a point to 416 00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:17,710 take time with his children. 417 00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:20,012 He was there for us. 418 00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,914 Most of us were pretty close to him. 419 00:21:26,919 --> 00:21:29,556 There was a lot of the wives having children, 420 00:21:29,589 --> 00:21:31,491 and so there was always babies. 421 00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:34,093 And we'd have a line of five or six high chairs at least. 422 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:38,798 It was very lively. 423 00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:41,000 I would give anything now to just spend a day with my mom 424 00:21:41,033 --> 00:21:43,035 weeding a flower bed. 425 00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:45,672 Most of my memories here are actually quite fond. 426 00:21:45,705 --> 00:21:49,842 There was a wonderful, fun, religious 427 00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:53,480 - yearning-for-us-to-be-good - people side of him. 428 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,848 And yet, I also got to experience 429 00:21:55,882 --> 00:21:59,786 that he had a weakness. 430 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:04,123 I was at eight years old when he started his abuse. 431 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:05,558 It was like... 432 00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:09,396 he was just two different people. 433 00:22:09,429 --> 00:22:13,400 He had taken me in one of the bathrooms 434 00:22:13,466 --> 00:22:15,802 and he had said... 435 00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,670 he had said, "Don't ever do this." 436 00:22:17,704 --> 00:22:21,608 He was trying to teach me to never touch myself. 437 00:22:21,641 --> 00:22:22,909 And then, at that point, 438 00:22:22,942 --> 00:22:24,977 I can't clearly remember 439 00:22:25,044 --> 00:22:28,681 if he exposed himself to me 440 00:22:28,715 --> 00:22:31,951 or if he touched me. 441 00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:35,688 I just remember there was some sexual contact 442 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:38,758 and I was so confused. 443 00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:42,161 I knew as a child that he was doing wrong. 444 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:45,532 And he also would tell me he was doing wrong. 445 00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:48,435 It was like he couldn't help himself. 446 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:51,771 I don't think he wanted to be that way, but he was. 447 00:22:51,838 --> 00:22:53,139 'Cause most of the time, I mean, 448 00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:54,674 I would always just think, 449 00:22:54,707 --> 00:22:57,009 "Oh, Father won't be like that anymore." 450 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:58,077 But then it would happen again. 451 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,150 From a young age, they teach, you know, the boys 452 00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:06,886 that we're supposed to grow up and be men. 453 00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:08,755 Women are inferior 454 00:23:08,788 --> 00:23:10,790 so we can't confess to women, 455 00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:14,794 so I couldn't talk to my mom about it. 456 00:23:14,827 --> 00:23:18,798 I never thought that it was anybody's fault but my own. 457 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:21,200 It was always my fault... 458 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:23,703 in my mind. 459 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:25,938 Everybody felt like he was a very good person. 460 00:23:25,972 --> 00:23:29,709 He was very good with his words and teaching, 461 00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:31,678 and explaining the gospel. 462 00:23:31,711 --> 00:23:35,047 His abusive side was so hidden from the church 463 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:36,148 and the world. 464 00:23:36,182 --> 00:23:37,517 And that's why 465 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:41,554 being a victim of his abuse, 466 00:23:41,588 --> 00:23:44,757 I knew that nobody would believe me if I ever told 'em 467 00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:46,626 that he was doing that. 468 00:23:46,659 --> 00:23:50,129 He played his part as a father very well and then... 469 00:23:50,162 --> 00:23:52,665 not as an abuser-- I mean, he played his part well 470 00:23:52,699 --> 00:23:56,736 as an abuser too, I should say, but... 471 00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:58,938 yeah, there was two sides to him. 472 00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:14,053 We come to third Nephi, chapter 12 now, 473 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:17,690 where the Lord himself appeared and gave 474 00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:20,092 the sinners the law, 475 00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:21,928 the keep sweet training. 476 00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:24,731 And you will see we have always been taught 477 00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:25,998 to keep sweet. 478 00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:28,100 The phrase "keep sweet" 479 00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:31,037 was a phrase introduced by Rulon Jeffs, 480 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:32,271 Warren Jeffs' father. 481 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:36,543 "Keep sweet no matter what" means... 482 00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:38,778 always have a smile on your face. 483 00:24:38,845 --> 00:24:41,648 It's the polygamy mask. 484 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,750 You show to the outside world 485 00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:46,052 the happy face. 486 00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:48,521 And if you don't, 487 00:24:48,555 --> 00:24:49,689 you're isolated, you're shunned, 488 00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:51,891 you are locked up. 489 00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:53,893 You name it, you get it. 490 00:24:53,926 --> 00:24:55,662 Keep sweet mask. 491 00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,264 Look at the eyes, though. 492 00:24:58,297 --> 00:25:03,202 Because the eyes will always tell you the truth. 493 00:25:07,974 --> 00:25:10,777 It is a community that has been frozen in time. 494 00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:12,645 They are fundamentalist Mormons, 495 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,947 excommunicated from the larger Mormon church 496 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:18,150 because they continue to practice polygamy. 497 00:25:24,757 --> 00:25:27,994 After LeRoy Johnson died, 498 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:31,831 there was a dispute as to who actually the key holder, 499 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,200 meaning the prophet. 500 00:25:34,233 --> 00:25:36,936 It was supposed to be that God came to the people 501 00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:38,605 and told them. 502 00:25:38,638 --> 00:25:40,607 Well, that never happened. 503 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,777 Rulon Jeffs was LeRoy Johnson's accountant. 504 00:25:44,811 --> 00:25:48,280 He saw an opportunity to grasp the mantle. 505 00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:51,150 He grabbed it with both hands and ran with it. 506 00:25:51,183 --> 00:25:54,721 When Rulon Jeffs came into power, 507 00:25:54,754 --> 00:25:56,623 he became much more controlling 508 00:25:56,656 --> 00:25:58,791 and so the people accepted that 509 00:25:58,825 --> 00:26:00,326 because that was their role, 510 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,194 they thought that was the role of a prophet. 511 00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:06,298 The prophet controls every aspect 512 00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:08,801 of life in Short Creek. 513 00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:11,604 He controls the land. 514 00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:16,242 He controls what you do. 515 00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:17,644 He controls, 516 00:26:17,677 --> 00:26:19,378 certainly, who you wed with. 517 00:26:19,646 --> 00:26:22,982 When Rulon Jeffs was the prophet, 518 00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:25,752 my step-father called me into his office 519 00:26:25,785 --> 00:26:29,155 and told me, it was time for me to be married. 520 00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:33,860 I was just a child. 521 00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:38,898 We drove to Caliente, Nevada. 522 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,769 They had a hotel there. 523 00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:51,243 They took us into this room 524 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:54,180 and they said, "We're only gonna do one at a time," 525 00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:59,218 so the other two of us had to go sit out in the waiting room. 526 00:26:59,251 --> 00:27:01,688 I was just scared. 527 00:27:01,721 --> 00:27:05,357 My sister went next. 528 00:27:05,391 --> 00:27:09,128 And I was the last one to go in and be married. 529 00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:15,802 I was married at 14 to my step-brother. 530 00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:19,839 But you didn't wanna disappoint the prophet. 531 00:27:25,712 --> 00:27:26,946 Warren's behavior, 532 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:28,715 in my opinion, 533 00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:30,182 is learned behavior. 534 00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:34,053 The mechanics of what he was able to do 535 00:27:34,086 --> 00:27:38,657 were mimicked from his father. 536 00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:43,696 I remember my brother and my sister and my mom 537 00:27:43,763 --> 00:27:45,064 would go visit Rulon 538 00:27:45,097 --> 00:27:47,066 once a year. 539 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,401 He would sit behind his desk 540 00:27:49,435 --> 00:27:53,740 with "Keep Sweet" engraved on the bottom of his shoe soles 541 00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:55,742 so that we could see. 542 00:27:55,808 --> 00:27:57,376 Warren in every one of these meetings, 543 00:27:57,409 --> 00:28:00,713 was always sitting right to the side of Rulon 544 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:02,081 with his little notepad. 545 00:28:02,114 --> 00:28:06,085 Warren took very meticulous notes. 546 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:09,922 At the time, it was a protective, favorite son 547 00:28:09,956 --> 00:28:12,725 looking out for the interests of his dad. 548 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:14,360 Looking back now, 549 00:28:14,426 --> 00:28:16,428 I see it for what it really was. 550 00:28:16,462 --> 00:28:21,433 The prophet's the most important person on the planet. 551 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,469 And you might be the next person 552 00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:26,505 who's gonna be that most special person. 553 00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,407 That's a pretty hard thing not to 554 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,044 buy into, it feels very important. 555 00:28:32,078 --> 00:28:34,847 Warren was taking more control. 556 00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:36,849 He was trying to keep it hidden 557 00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,818 as much as he possibly could, 558 00:28:38,851 --> 00:28:41,220 but, yes, he was taking more and more control. 559 00:28:42,855 --> 00:28:45,357 Obey the prophet when he speaks 560 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:47,760 and you'll be blessed. 561 00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:49,495 Disobey him, 562 00:28:49,528 --> 00:28:52,131 it is death. 563 00:29:02,942 --> 00:29:04,176 Rulon had had three strokes, 564 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:05,177 two of those strokes 565 00:29:05,211 --> 00:29:06,946 made him less able 566 00:29:06,979 --> 00:29:10,249 to control his speech, his ability to 567 00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:11,918 run the church. 568 00:29:11,951 --> 00:29:13,185 They had to walk him in 569 00:29:13,219 --> 00:29:15,354 with assistance. 570 00:29:15,387 --> 00:29:17,023 If you were sitting close enough 571 00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:20,359 to the front row of the congregational seating, 572 00:29:20,392 --> 00:29:23,062 you could actually tell that the man 573 00:29:23,095 --> 00:29:26,899 was essentially an empty shell. 574 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,801 As his father became more ill, 575 00:29:28,835 --> 00:29:30,402 Warren was in a position where 576 00:29:30,436 --> 00:29:32,438 Warren's control increased. 577 00:29:32,471 --> 00:29:35,107 There was actually kind of a vacuum that was 578 00:29:35,174 --> 00:29:37,009 there for Warren to step into 579 00:29:37,043 --> 00:29:38,310 and exert his authority through. 580 00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:40,546 Warren would put a microphone 581 00:29:40,579 --> 00:29:43,149 on a lanyard around his father's neck 582 00:29:43,182 --> 00:29:46,853 and then ask his father to speak in church. 583 00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:50,990 Rulon would just stand there for five, ten minutes 584 00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:52,391 and not say a word. 585 00:29:52,424 --> 00:29:54,493 That was Warren setting himself up. 586 00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:55,928 He would say 587 00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:59,431 maybe one sentence. 588 00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:04,336 "Listen to Warren speak my words. 589 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:07,039 Warren is my mouthpiece." 590 00:30:20,219 --> 00:30:21,854 It was a big day. 591 00:30:21,888 --> 00:30:23,322 It was a really big day. 592 00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:26,325 It changed the landscape of that community. 593 00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:28,327 It changed the whole landscape of the whole... 594 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,163 effort there. 595 00:30:31,197 --> 00:30:33,265 And you saw this extraordinary turnout 596 00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:34,566 for the funeral 597 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,636 of Rulon Jeffs. 598 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:40,372 5,000 plus people assembling. 599 00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:43,009 on the overcast day. 600 00:30:45,411 --> 00:30:47,646 Time will tell if there is going to be 601 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:52,251 another leader like President Jeffs. 602 00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:55,554 It was interesting to see. 603 00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,589 Most all of the speakers were trying to proclaim 604 00:30:57,623 --> 00:30:59,058 who the new leader was. 605 00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,527 A funeral is not the time and place 606 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,362 to do anything like that. 607 00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:06,365 After his father died, 608 00:31:06,398 --> 00:31:09,601 Warren would stand up in meetings. 609 00:31:09,635 --> 00:31:12,471 For five minutes, he'd act like he was standing there listening, 610 00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:13,672 and then he'd say 611 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:15,574 what his father had been telling him 612 00:31:15,641 --> 00:31:19,145 from the other side. 613 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:21,280 He started telling people that 614 00:31:21,313 --> 00:31:24,550 his father is talking to him 615 00:31:24,616 --> 00:31:27,653 and telling him to take so and so for wife. 616 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,428 One day, we got up 617 00:31:36,462 --> 00:31:38,931 and there was like seven of my grandpa's wives 618 00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:40,366 standing right down the hall, 619 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,534 outside of my dad's door. 620 00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:44,570 Then he walked them upstairs 621 00:31:44,636 --> 00:31:46,138 and introduced them to the whole-- 622 00:31:46,172 --> 00:31:47,339 he says, "These are my wives." 623 00:31:47,373 --> 00:31:50,142 He married 20 wives 624 00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:52,111 from his father. 625 00:31:52,144 --> 00:31:53,412 It was Warren saying, "I'm the boss, 626 00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:55,014 I can do whatever I want, 627 00:31:55,081 --> 00:31:58,584 and nobody better dare say a word about it." 628 00:31:58,617 --> 00:32:01,620 It was not a traditional situation 629 00:32:01,653 --> 00:32:04,390 for Warren to have those women marry him. 630 00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:07,159 So the alarm bells were going off. 631 00:32:08,594 --> 00:32:10,296 I know Father's spirit 632 00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:12,498 and I know it is in Uncle Warren. 633 00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:14,166 I do not question it. 634 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,534 He had one of his brothers, 635 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,537 Isaac Jeffs bare their testimony 636 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,007 about how they had witnessed 637 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,211 Grandfather name my dad as the next prophet. 638 00:32:25,244 --> 00:32:29,048 Warren is going to be the next leader of this people. 639 00:32:29,081 --> 00:32:32,551 And he said that over and over again. 640 00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:34,120 That's kind of when it became known 641 00:32:34,153 --> 00:32:35,287 to the rest of the people 642 00:32:35,321 --> 00:32:36,588 that he was the next prophet. 643 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,426 This guy is a conniving rat 644 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:42,294 who seized power. 645 00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:45,297 Nobody was powerful enough to stand up to him. 646 00:32:45,364 --> 00:32:47,466 Warren Jeffs was the prophet. 647 00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:49,668 The coup was complete. 648 00:32:58,377 --> 00:33:01,713 it's not really quoted in any religious book. 649 00:33:01,747 --> 00:33:04,483 It goes along the lines that, 650 00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:06,685 "When a righteous king rules, 651 00:33:06,718 --> 00:33:09,021 the people rejoice. 652 00:33:09,055 --> 00:33:11,523 When a wicked king rules, 653 00:33:11,557 --> 00:33:13,159 they mourn." 654 00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:21,600 At this point within the FLDS, 655 00:33:21,633 --> 00:33:23,702 the stakes were incredibly high. 656 00:33:23,735 --> 00:33:26,038 A lot of times in Warren's preaching, 657 00:33:26,072 --> 00:33:28,640 he would bring the fact that the world was coming to an end 658 00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,543 and that we were preparing for that end. 659 00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:36,515 To run a cult, you have to keep your cult followers always in fear 660 00:33:36,548 --> 00:33:39,518 of the outside world and the impending doom. 661 00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:41,753 "The end is coming, and get your house in line 662 00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,622 and show how faithful you are to me 663 00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:45,391 and do everything I tell you." 664 00:33:45,424 --> 00:33:48,260 And that's what buys obedience. 665 00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:54,733 I feel like, at first, 666 00:33:54,766 --> 00:33:58,237 Father didn't really feel like he was worthy. 667 00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:00,539 But when everybody turned to him, 668 00:34:00,572 --> 00:34:02,374 I think he suddenly wanted it. 669 00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:06,078 And then I think he just started wanting it more and more. 670 00:34:06,112 --> 00:34:10,816 Warren was enjoying the attention that he was getting. 671 00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:12,818 You could tell. 672 00:34:12,851 --> 00:34:14,853 You know, he soon put on his father's shoes 673 00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:16,688 that had "Keep Sweet" on the bottom of 'em. 674 00:34:18,624 --> 00:34:19,825 I think what we see 675 00:34:19,858 --> 00:34:21,293 is a great deal of narcissism. 676 00:34:21,327 --> 00:34:25,164 Narcissism is a trait in which 677 00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:30,702 a person develops a grandiose false sense of self. 678 00:34:30,736 --> 00:34:33,639 One doesn't have to acknowledge one's weaknesses, 679 00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:35,341 one always is above all of that. 680 00:34:42,214 --> 00:34:43,815 Warren was always 681 00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:45,451 behind big walls 682 00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:46,752 and gated mansions, 683 00:34:46,785 --> 00:34:49,588 protected by bodyguards. 684 00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:52,824 He was always secretive. 685 00:34:52,858 --> 00:34:54,660 He's very manipulative, like, 686 00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,228 in every way. 687 00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:57,496 He wants to show he's humble, 688 00:34:57,529 --> 00:34:59,265 but yet he has this gigantic house. 689 00:35:00,832 --> 00:35:02,334 He wanted people to think 690 00:35:02,368 --> 00:35:04,403 the Lord just gave him everything. 691 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,684 We lived off the church, we didn't work. 692 00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:22,454 We lived off of tithing... 693 00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:24,390 and contributions to the church. 694 00:35:29,395 --> 00:35:31,497 At first it was give their 10%, 695 00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:34,633 but then Warren commanded another $500 696 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,602 on top of that. 697 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:39,438 And that 500 jumped to about a 1,000. 698 00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:42,174 Then that 1,000 jumped to 2,000. 699 00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:44,710 Then it gets to the point where Warren wants it all 700 00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:49,381 and he'll distribute your just wants and needs 701 00:35:49,415 --> 00:35:51,683 I don't think he gave two . 702 00:35:51,717 --> 00:35:53,752 What did the man really want? 703 00:35:53,785 --> 00:35:55,687 He was lustful for greed, 704 00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:57,523 the greed of money and the greed of power 705 00:35:57,556 --> 00:35:59,758 and more and more and more. 706 00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:02,461 At one point, they bankrupted the school district, 707 00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:04,196 pulled all their kids out of school, 708 00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:07,533 but continued to loot the school district, 709 00:36:07,566 --> 00:36:08,800 bought themselves an airplane. 710 00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:16,808 Talking to people 711 00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:19,778 and getting people's feelings that were around at that time, 712 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:22,214 he becomes more cloak and dagger-ish, 713 00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:24,616 he becomes, like, more paranoid. 714 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:34,560 There are cameras all over town. 715 00:36:34,593 --> 00:36:36,928 People are constantly under surveillance 716 00:36:36,962 --> 00:36:38,964 and there's a direct link between 717 00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:40,566 church security 718 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:42,401 and the Marshal's office. 719 00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:43,535 The cops up the there, 720 00:36:43,569 --> 00:36:45,904 the sworn police officers, 721 00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:47,673 their allegiance has always been to protecting Warren. 722 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,941 We believe in plural marriage. 723 00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:51,677 Are you a polygamist? 724 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:53,545 I'm not gonna answer that, it's none of your business. 725 00:37:00,419 --> 00:37:02,888 I think Warren enjoyed 726 00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:05,724 that cat and mouse game. 727 00:37:05,757 --> 00:37:08,394 He enjoyed knowing what people were doing without them knowing. 728 00:37:08,427 --> 00:37:09,961 He enjoyed recording people. 729 00:37:09,995 --> 00:37:13,565 He enjoyed spying on folks. 730 00:37:13,632 --> 00:37:15,967 He showed me once the security command post 731 00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:19,605 that had every room monitored, 732 00:37:19,638 --> 00:37:20,572 including the guest house. 733 00:37:20,606 --> 00:37:22,641 that I was staying in. 734 00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:25,444 And I never went back. 735 00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,516 There was cameras. 736 00:37:30,549 --> 00:37:31,817 There definitely was. 737 00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:33,452 I didn't know that at the time, 738 00:37:33,485 --> 00:37:34,653 but there was definitely cameras. 739 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:36,622 It was all about himself, 740 00:37:36,655 --> 00:37:37,823 what he could experience, 741 00:37:37,856 --> 00:37:40,859 what he could control. 742 00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:42,861 Warren Jeffs could do whatever he wants. 743 00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:45,997 He was viewed as a prophet with a prophetic gift, 744 00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:47,766 he was inspired by God, 745 00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:50,035 so what he said had the authority of God. 746 00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:54,039 He even has wives taking notes 747 00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:55,974 of things that he says and does 748 00:37:56,007 --> 00:37:57,843 when he's sleeping. 749 00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:02,514 And comes up with these crazy, grandiose revelations. 750 00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:08,520 The problem with that is that Warren 751 00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:11,490 can have a revelation saying that, 752 00:38:11,523 --> 00:38:13,725 based on a bad dream, that somebody was evil. 753 00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:15,794 And even though it's not true, 754 00:38:15,827 --> 00:38:17,563 that person is exiled from the community 755 00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:20,031 and cut off from all their family and friends. 756 00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:23,569 He picked out men that had large families 757 00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:26,972 men that had stature in the community. 758 00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:30,509 He particularly picked them out and destroyed them. 759 00:38:30,576 --> 00:38:33,712 He didn't waste any time to take care of me. 760 00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:40,586 Warren called me up and he asked me 761 00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:42,488 if I could bring all my wives 762 00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:45,557 and meet with him at his father's home. 763 00:38:45,591 --> 00:38:47,493 That afternoon I says, "Sure." 764 00:38:47,526 --> 00:38:48,694 He says, "How soon can you be here?" 765 00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:52,831 He put me on one side of the hall, 766 00:38:52,864 --> 00:38:54,500 my ladies on the other side 767 00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:55,901 and then he handed me 768 00:38:55,934 --> 00:38:58,704 my revelation that he, supposedly, had had 769 00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:01,673 from God and he said 770 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:04,976 I had plotted with other brethren 771 00:39:05,043 --> 00:39:08,480 to take Rulon's life. 772 00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:12,618 That I was proud and aspiring 773 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,553 and he says, "Do you have any questions there?" 774 00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:15,921 And I looked at him and I says, 775 00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:18,390 "So, if I say right here and now 776 00:39:18,424 --> 00:39:19,891 that I'm guilty of all these things, 777 00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:23,729 that... that's all I need to do?" 778 00:39:23,762 --> 00:39:26,465 He just laughed at me and said, "No." 779 00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:29,701 And then he sent me home and told me gather up my stuff 780 00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:31,069 and leave. 781 00:39:31,102 --> 00:39:33,038 That's Warren's style; 782 00:39:33,104 --> 00:39:34,873 kick somebody out, discredit them, 783 00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:36,608 anything they say is a lie, 784 00:39:36,642 --> 00:39:39,077 and accuse them of whatever you want. 785 00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:40,612 All my wives, 786 00:39:40,646 --> 00:39:42,080 they were told to not communicate 787 00:39:42,113 --> 00:39:43,949 with the children about me. 788 00:39:43,982 --> 00:39:46,818 They were not to talk about me in any way, shape, or form. 789 00:39:46,852 --> 00:39:49,187 I shed a lot of tears, 790 00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:52,591 I had lost a lot of people that I was very close to 791 00:39:52,624 --> 00:39:53,959 and that I loved. 792 00:39:53,992 --> 00:39:55,761 I started all over again. 793 00:39:55,794 --> 00:39:58,997 Instead of seeing him as a villain, 794 00:39:59,030 --> 00:40:01,800 I think Warren saw himself as an underestimated, 795 00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:02,868 underappreciated man. 796 00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:05,637 And I think in so many ways, 797 00:40:05,671 --> 00:40:07,105 he proved everybody wrong. 798 00:40:13,645 --> 00:40:15,881 Ruth, how old were you when you got married? 799 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:19,751 - 16. - 16 years old. 800 00:40:19,785 --> 00:40:22,654 How old were you when you became pregnant with your first child? 801 00:40:22,688 --> 00:40:24,155 - 16. - 16. 802 00:40:26,492 --> 00:40:28,560 And this was an arranged marriage 803 00:40:28,594 --> 00:40:29,795 by the religious leaders of that town? 804 00:40:29,828 --> 00:40:31,196 Yes. 805 00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:32,898 There are really a handful of stories 806 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,966 that changed the course of history 807 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,735 in this saga. 808 00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:41,172 And the day that Ruth Stubbs fled Colorado City 809 00:40:41,206 --> 00:40:42,841 was one of 'em. 810 00:40:42,874 --> 00:40:46,077 Turns out the man she was forced to marry 811 00:40:46,144 --> 00:40:48,814 was a cop, a sworn police officer 812 00:40:48,847 --> 00:40:51,583 in Colorado City named Rodney Holm. 813 00:40:51,617 --> 00:40:53,852 My name is Mike Watkiss. 814 00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:56,588 - I'm a reporter here in Phoenix. - I know who you are, sir. 815 00:40:56,622 --> 00:41:00,559 My understanding that you have teenage brides 816 00:41:00,592 --> 00:41:03,795 and perhaps impregnated this young woman 817 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:05,497 when it would be a statutory rape. 818 00:41:05,531 --> 00:41:09,134 We don't have anything to say except to the court. 819 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,902 Suddenly with Ruth 820 00:41:10,936 --> 00:41:12,704 and Rod Holm, 821 00:41:12,738 --> 00:41:14,540 we had a story that the outside world 822 00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:15,707 couldn't ignore. 823 00:41:15,741 --> 00:41:18,677 Leave the girls that are underage alone. 824 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:20,245 Don't marry underage girls. 825 00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:23,882 Teenage girl, statutory rape victim, 826 00:41:23,949 --> 00:41:25,984 a police officer 827 00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:29,054 and Warren's fingerprints were all over this. 828 00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:31,590 Warren is the one that performed the marriage. 829 00:41:31,657 --> 00:41:33,158 Warren Jeffs performed your marriage 830 00:41:33,224 --> 00:41:34,826 - to Rodney Holm? - Yes. 831 00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:36,862 You're 16 years of age 832 00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:38,897 and he marries you to a 32-year-old man 833 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:40,932 that he knows already has two wives? 834 00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:42,768 - Yes. - Utah 835 00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,269 took Rod Holm to court, 836 00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:46,572 found him guilty of these crimes 837 00:41:46,605 --> 00:41:48,206 that had been going on forever. 838 00:41:48,273 --> 00:41:50,742 Soon as Rod Holm got sentenced, 839 00:41:50,776 --> 00:41:53,111 I think Warren rightfully predicted, 840 00:41:53,144 --> 00:41:56,181 "If they can come after a polygamous cop 841 00:41:56,214 --> 00:41:58,249 because of a marriage I arranged, 842 00:41:58,283 --> 00:42:00,886 it's only a matter of time before they start coming after me. 843 00:42:00,919 --> 00:42:03,789 I think he's an evil man. 844 00:42:03,822 --> 00:42:04,890 I don't any man of God 845 00:42:04,923 --> 00:42:06,658 would destroy people's lives, 846 00:42:06,692 --> 00:42:07,893 and take families away 847 00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:09,695 and marry them to other men... 848 00:42:09,728 --> 00:42:10,829 like he's doing. 849 00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:12,598 So he knew he was in for it. 850 00:42:17,836 --> 00:42:19,204 At that point in time, 851 00:42:19,237 --> 00:42:21,807 there were no charges against Warren. 852 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,042 But he's just kind of letting the people know 853 00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:27,212 that he needs to be in the background, 854 00:42:27,278 --> 00:42:29,314 he needs to be hiding, he needs to be on the run. 855 00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:33,985 He's going to the outside world 856 00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:36,187 on the premise that God is having him 857 00:42:36,221 --> 00:42:38,690 go witness the evils of the world. 858 00:42:47,866 --> 00:42:50,836 We thought it was for a really righteous reason 859 00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:53,004 because he made it sound like it was. 860 00:42:53,038 --> 00:42:56,307 But, at the same time, he wanted to have some fun 861 00:42:56,341 --> 00:42:57,743 that he never had had. 862 00:42:57,809 --> 00:42:59,778 He went to Disneyland, 863 00:42:59,811 --> 00:43:02,080 went to the beaches in Florida. 864 00:43:02,113 --> 00:43:03,649 He's going to Mardi Gras 865 00:43:03,682 --> 00:43:05,984 and going to strip clubs. 866 00:43:06,017 --> 00:43:08,253 Becoming a prophet for Warren 867 00:43:08,286 --> 00:43:13,358 probably offers him, you know, absolution to things. 868 00:43:13,391 --> 00:43:16,795 You don't have to be responsible for your own sins if it's God. 869 00:43:16,828 --> 00:43:18,697 If it's God telling you to do it, 870 00:43:18,764 --> 00:43:21,166 then you don't have to be accountable for that. 871 00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:23,068 Narcissists break rules a great deal, 872 00:43:23,101 --> 00:43:26,137 but they do it because they feel that they're important 873 00:43:26,171 --> 00:43:28,406 and special and nobody else is nearly important, 874 00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,809 so I think Warren Jeffs, 875 00:43:30,842 --> 00:43:32,744 a sense of "Anything goes 876 00:43:32,778 --> 00:43:34,312 because I am the authority, 877 00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:35,914 I'm special, 878 00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:38,684 that's a big part of what we see. 879 00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:45,991 The state of Arizona 880 00:43:46,024 --> 00:43:50,061 was the first to file charges against him. 881 00:43:50,095 --> 00:43:51,730 So Warren sent his lieutenants out 882 00:43:51,763 --> 00:43:53,164 to start buying up these compounds 883 00:43:53,198 --> 00:43:54,933 all over the United States 884 00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:58,169 because, suddenly, it was too hot in Utah and Arizona. 885 00:44:03,942 --> 00:44:06,745 Warren begins going around the country, 886 00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:07,713 establishing these 887 00:44:07,746 --> 00:44:09,114 places of refuge. 888 00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:14,753 The church had three 889 00:44:14,786 --> 00:44:17,222 primary places of refuge. 890 00:44:17,255 --> 00:44:20,692 There was a compound in Pringle, South Dakota, 891 00:44:20,726 --> 00:44:22,694 Mancos, Colorado. 892 00:44:22,728 --> 00:44:25,764 There was also a ranch in Texas. 893 00:44:25,797 --> 00:44:27,232 The church then also used 894 00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:29,801 an extensive network of rented safe homes 895 00:44:29,835 --> 00:44:32,704 and trailers to move 896 00:44:32,738 --> 00:44:34,906 church leaders and underage girls 897 00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:36,141 around the country. 898 00:44:39,077 --> 00:44:41,079 People in Short Creek, 899 00:44:41,112 --> 00:44:43,081 we did not know that Texas existed, 900 00:44:43,114 --> 00:44:45,250 we didn't know Colorado existed, 901 00:44:45,283 --> 00:44:47,385 we did not know that his settlement up in 902 00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:49,120 South Dakota existed, 903 00:44:49,154 --> 00:44:51,256 it was such a shroud of secrecy. 904 00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:54,425 Warren had everybody in Short Creek 905 00:44:54,459 --> 00:44:56,061 run up their credit cards 906 00:44:56,094 --> 00:44:57,829 and borrow money in bank accounts 907 00:44:57,863 --> 00:44:59,130 and give everything they have to him, 908 00:44:59,164 --> 00:45:01,499 which was used to help build 909 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,502 these other places of refuge. 910 00:45:04,535 --> 00:45:07,138 There was a tremendous amount of money being funneled to him. 911 00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:09,140 Vehicles, cash, lands. 912 00:45:09,174 --> 00:45:10,942 I had a home that was completely finished 913 00:45:10,976 --> 00:45:12,310 and got a call 914 00:45:12,343 --> 00:45:14,045 from Warren Jeffs to give it up 915 00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:16,114 and move to another place. 916 00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:19,918 I moved to circumstances that were far less 917 00:45:19,951 --> 00:45:21,953 than what I had. 918 00:45:21,987 --> 00:45:23,388 We just determined, 919 00:45:23,421 --> 00:45:24,856 we're not gonna tie our heart strings 920 00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:26,391 to these physical things. 921 00:45:26,424 --> 00:45:29,094 What the hell did he care if they lost their homes, 922 00:45:29,127 --> 00:45:30,228 their lands, their birthrights? 923 00:45:30,261 --> 00:45:31,429 But it's okay 924 00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:33,231 because Warren said to do it 925 00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:35,066 and he's the prophet. 926 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,868 It began to be 927 00:45:36,902 --> 00:45:38,804 the sand moving underneath our feet. 928 00:45:38,837 --> 00:45:43,074 Warren put the people on unsettled dirt. 929 00:45:43,141 --> 00:45:44,876 During that time, 930 00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:48,313 I was, you know, kind of in hiding off and on. 931 00:45:48,346 --> 00:45:49,881 My dad 932 00:45:49,915 --> 00:45:51,149 kept saying, "You know, they're after us, 933 00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:52,818 they're trying to find you 934 00:45:52,884 --> 00:45:55,320 so they can hurt me," is what he would tell us. 935 00:45:55,353 --> 00:45:57,956 And so we didn't so much as open the blinds 936 00:45:58,023 --> 00:45:59,257 for like a month. 937 00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,794 Primarily, I was by myself 938 00:46:02,828 --> 00:46:05,296 in a camp trailer, just nobody around, 939 00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:07,165 just desolate. 940 00:46:07,198 --> 00:46:09,167 That was kind of my first experience of just 941 00:46:09,234 --> 00:46:11,536 brutal isolation. 942 00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:13,972 I moved down to Texas 943 00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,506 and we hardly ever got to see Father 944 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:18,977 because he was always runnin' from the law. 945 00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:21,512 Sometimes he was there for a week, 946 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,949 sometimes a month, sometimes one day, 947 00:46:24,049 --> 00:46:27,252 and then he was gone and we didn't know where he was. 948 00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:30,221 But, even when he was runnin' from the law, 949 00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:33,424 he still governed the whole system. 950 00:46:33,458 --> 00:46:36,862 He told us to get seven years-worth of grain. 951 00:46:36,928 --> 00:46:38,563 He had the temple built during that time. 952 00:46:43,468 --> 00:46:45,837 Father said Heavenly Father told him that 953 00:46:45,871 --> 00:46:48,139 the people would be driven out of Short Creek 954 00:46:48,173 --> 00:46:50,408 and he wanted a place for the people 955 00:46:50,441 --> 00:46:52,443 to be able to go to that were pure in heart. 956 00:46:52,477 --> 00:46:55,546 FLDS have long said that 957 00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:58,316 they're living a higher order and they don't have need 958 00:46:58,383 --> 00:47:00,952 for temples. 959 00:47:00,986 --> 00:47:03,254 I started seeing that foundation going and... 960 00:47:03,288 --> 00:47:04,990 that kind of signaled 961 00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:07,392 he was preparing for the end of the world. 962 00:47:07,425 --> 00:47:09,294 And what that meant 963 00:47:09,327 --> 00:47:12,497 to somebody as deviant and twisted as Warren, 964 00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:15,133 could be anything, and that's what bothered me. 965 00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:20,571 I didn't know if Warren was planning another Jonestown, 966 00:47:20,605 --> 00:47:22,140 if he was gonna be passing out Kool-Aid, 967 00:47:22,207 --> 00:47:23,208 if he was gonna have 968 00:47:23,241 --> 00:47:25,410 all these men gather there 969 00:47:25,443 --> 00:47:26,611 and go out in a blaze of glory. 970 00:47:26,644 --> 00:47:29,347 He was essentially saying, 971 00:47:29,414 --> 00:47:32,317 This is where we're making our stand." 972 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:50,601 At that point, 973 00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:53,471 Warren was definitely a man on the run, a fugitive. 974 00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:57,475 And the community was bending over backwards 975 00:47:57,508 --> 00:47:59,377 to do everything they could to sustain him, 976 00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:01,446 to communicate with him on the road, 977 00:48:01,479 --> 00:48:03,081 to allow him to know that 978 00:48:03,114 --> 00:48:04,249 they completely loved him. 979 00:48:04,282 --> 00:48:05,650 I'm Gary Tuchman with CNN. 980 00:48:05,683 --> 00:48:07,452 I just wanted to check with you, 981 00:48:07,485 --> 00:48:09,054 do you have any idea where Warren Jeffs is? 982 00:48:09,087 --> 00:48:10,521 Any idea at all? 983 00:48:11,622 --> 00:48:13,491 Do you know where Warren Jeffs is? 984 00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:20,398 What do you think of him? 985 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,541 I'm actively looking for Warren at the time. 986 00:48:30,608 --> 00:48:32,577 And sometimes I feel like I'm getting close, 987 00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:34,512 and other times I just, you know, I don't know where he's at 988 00:48:34,545 --> 00:48:35,480 or what's going on. 989 00:48:35,546 --> 00:48:37,548 'Course, I don't know 990 00:48:37,582 --> 00:48:40,185 the depth of his depravity. 991 00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:41,419 Every... 992 00:48:41,452 --> 00:48:43,154 few months, I guess, 993 00:48:43,188 --> 00:48:44,622 he would come home with another 16-year-old. 994 00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:46,992 He would page over the intercom, 995 00:48:47,025 --> 00:48:48,493 he would say, 996 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,696 "Everybody come down to the dining room, 997 00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:54,565 meet a new family member." 998 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:55,733 So we'd all come down 999 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:59,037 and, you know, say hi. 1000 00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:01,039 I think the youngest he went was 11, 1001 00:49:01,106 --> 00:49:04,175 going on 12. 1002 00:49:04,209 --> 00:49:06,611 I read a little entry he wrote 1003 00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:09,480 in his journal about... 1004 00:49:09,547 --> 00:49:11,716 his young, underage wives. 1005 00:49:11,749 --> 00:49:16,221 He said, "The Lord wants me to take these wives 1006 00:49:16,321 --> 00:49:18,356 at a young age to teach and train them 1007 00:49:18,389 --> 00:49:21,292 and guide them through boy troubles." 1008 00:49:21,326 --> 00:49:22,527 And then he wrote, 1009 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,562 "I will just be their boy trouble." 1010 00:49:30,368 --> 00:49:32,470 He was very kind to me. 1011 00:49:32,503 --> 00:49:35,773 I mean, he took special interest in me, I felt like. 1012 00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:39,210 I was only five years old and... 1013 00:49:39,244 --> 00:49:41,746 I liked him, I liked him a lot. 1014 00:49:46,184 --> 00:49:49,354 My two older sisters were married to him. 1015 00:49:49,387 --> 00:49:53,024 He told me that I was a very special spirit 1016 00:49:53,058 --> 00:49:56,361 and that the devil was seeking to take my life. 1017 00:49:56,394 --> 00:49:58,129 And I didn't understand that. 1018 00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:05,736 I believed in God and in... 1019 00:50:05,770 --> 00:50:08,373 very much a spiritual side of life. 1020 00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:10,741 And I wanted to be saved. 1021 00:50:10,775 --> 00:50:13,311 But being so young, I could hardly wrap my mind 1022 00:50:13,344 --> 00:50:14,645 around it all. 1023 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:16,181 Right after we got married, 1024 00:50:16,214 --> 00:50:18,116 then we were automatically in hiding. 1025 00:50:18,149 --> 00:50:22,087 We didn't go outside a lot. 1026 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,324 We were mostly just supposed to stay in the house and not be seen. 1027 00:50:26,357 --> 00:50:28,659 In my mind, 1028 00:50:28,693 --> 00:50:32,497 I was trying to prove worthy of this greater blessing. 1029 00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:33,831 All the children, 1030 00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:35,200 and they, you know, immediately 1031 00:50:35,233 --> 00:50:36,567 started calling me Mother, 1032 00:50:36,601 --> 00:50:38,736 and that was very different to me. 1033 00:50:38,769 --> 00:50:42,273 Most the children were older me. 1034 00:50:42,307 --> 00:50:45,510 But I got used to it. 1035 00:50:45,543 --> 00:50:47,278 I definitely wanted to be a mom. 1036 00:50:47,312 --> 00:50:48,279 At the same time, 1037 00:50:48,313 --> 00:50:50,415 I really wanted to be a kid 1038 00:50:50,448 --> 00:50:51,449 while I was a kid. 1039 00:50:53,351 --> 00:50:54,485 I mean, I just really did, 1040 00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,288 I never let go of that. 1041 00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:02,860 On the outside, I was a very happy person. 1042 00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:05,830 This is the hairspray commercial. 1043 00:51:05,863 --> 00:51:08,533 But, to not have any contact 1044 00:51:08,566 --> 00:51:10,801 with former family and friends, 1045 00:51:10,835 --> 00:51:14,605 that kind of felt like I just fell off the edge of the world 1046 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,475 and, so I basically just buried my feelings 1047 00:51:17,508 --> 00:51:19,244 and... lived. 1048 00:51:27,718 --> 00:51:30,588 Warren became the Caligula 1049 00:51:30,621 --> 00:51:32,823 of the court of polygamy. 1050 00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:36,227 Bad practices got more perverted. 1051 00:51:36,261 --> 00:51:39,464 And younger girls got forced into these marriages, 1052 00:51:39,497 --> 00:51:40,465 And boys 1053 00:51:40,498 --> 00:51:42,167 were cast aside. 1054 00:51:45,436 --> 00:51:47,872 Like any other society, there will be 1055 00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:50,175 one half boy babies born 1056 00:51:50,208 --> 00:51:51,542 and one half girl babies born. 1057 00:51:51,576 --> 00:51:53,211 It means that 1058 00:51:53,244 --> 00:51:56,314 a whole lot of males are never gonna get married. 1059 00:51:56,347 --> 00:51:59,317 How are they going to continue this practice of plurality 1060 00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:02,520 of wives forever if they don't thin the herd? 1061 00:52:02,553 --> 00:52:05,456 I mean, the math doesn't work. 1062 00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:06,891 You've gotta get rid of 1063 00:52:06,924 --> 00:52:09,460 a lot of the young men. 1064 00:52:09,494 --> 00:52:11,696 And Warren established a very effective 1065 00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:15,766 social architecture to deal with getting rid of the boys. 1066 00:52:20,805 --> 00:52:22,507 You can imagine how much pressure 1067 00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:26,677 is on a parent... 1068 00:52:26,711 --> 00:52:28,713 to take their son 1069 00:52:28,746 --> 00:52:31,716 and drive them 50 miles away, 1070 00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:33,184 and drop them off and say 1071 00:52:33,218 --> 00:52:35,786 "You are never to contact us again." 1072 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:38,356 And they did that, 1073 00:52:38,389 --> 00:52:40,325 over and over and over again. 1074 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,262 Rich was expelled from the community 1075 00:52:44,295 --> 00:52:46,497 when he was 20 years old. 1076 00:52:46,531 --> 00:52:48,266 I had no driver's license, 1077 00:52:48,299 --> 00:52:49,834 no real life skills, 1078 00:52:49,867 --> 00:52:51,836 they're not old enough to be lawfully employed. 1079 00:52:51,869 --> 00:52:55,540 Add to that the fear that everyone 1080 00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:57,275 out there that wasn't from home, 1081 00:52:57,308 --> 00:52:59,510 that wasn't part of your church 1082 00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:00,645 was going to do something 1083 00:53:00,678 --> 00:53:03,314 intentionally to harm you. 1084 00:53:03,348 --> 00:53:05,350 Who do you go to for help? 1085 00:53:07,818 --> 00:53:08,886 My mom, 1086 00:53:08,919 --> 00:53:11,222 she had... 1087 00:53:11,256 --> 00:53:13,258 a history of being a little bit rebellious. 1088 00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:16,761 So I was never really, truly openly accepted 1089 00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:18,596 by Warren Jeffs. 1090 00:53:18,629 --> 00:53:20,731 One of my uncles, 1091 00:53:20,765 --> 00:53:22,567 he had arranged a meeting with me and Warren 1092 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,335 at the print shop. 1093 00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:25,470 That's when Warren told me 1094 00:53:25,503 --> 00:53:28,706 I wasn't welcome to church. 1095 00:53:28,739 --> 00:53:31,609 and... that was it, out. 1096 00:53:31,642 --> 00:53:34,912 After I stood up to leave, 1097 00:53:34,945 --> 00:53:37,915 he just casually let me know that 1098 00:53:37,948 --> 00:53:40,518 I wouldn't be allowed into Heaven. 1099 00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:44,522 That was probably the darkest day of my life 1100 00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:45,990 considering I believed him, 1101 00:53:46,023 --> 00:53:49,294 I was convinced I was going to Hell. 1102 00:53:51,496 --> 00:53:54,999 I got in my little, crappy pickup truck 1103 00:53:55,032 --> 00:53:56,701 and I... 1104 00:53:56,734 --> 00:54:01,639 got out of that town as fast as I could. 1105 00:54:01,672 --> 00:54:03,007 I didn't know where to go. 1106 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,975 I had nothing. 1107 00:54:05,009 --> 00:54:08,946 The world outside is against me and... 1108 00:54:08,979 --> 00:54:11,349 the only thing that I knew 1109 00:54:11,382 --> 00:54:12,850 I was cut off from. 1110 00:54:17,087 --> 00:54:20,858 It was only another couple months after I was kicked out 1111 00:54:20,891 --> 00:54:24,729 that I started seeing this wave after wave 1112 00:54:24,762 --> 00:54:26,464 of other boys, 1113 00:54:26,497 --> 00:54:28,966 just showing up. 1114 00:54:29,033 --> 00:54:33,604 It went from what was called a wave in the late '90s 1115 00:54:33,638 --> 00:54:37,007 to what became a flood there for awhile. 1116 00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:39,009 I knew that something had to be done. 1117 00:54:39,043 --> 00:54:41,679 Dan Fischer was born and raised 1118 00:54:41,712 --> 00:54:43,514 in the FLDS community, 1119 00:54:43,548 --> 00:54:46,917 had three wives, and ended up leaving. 1120 00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:48,018 He and his wife 1121 00:54:48,052 --> 00:54:50,821 had done tremendous things 1122 00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:54,525 to help people who had been kicked out of the FLDS. 1123 00:54:56,861 --> 00:54:59,464 We went public on the steps of the Capitol. 1124 00:54:59,530 --> 00:55:02,433 with some 70 of these boys. 1125 00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:04,369 Some of the so-called "lost boys," 1126 00:55:04,402 --> 00:55:05,370 all banished by Jeffs, 1127 00:55:05,403 --> 00:55:07,438 told their stories. 1128 00:55:11,542 --> 00:55:13,077 Hundreds of boys, 1129 00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:14,945 aged 13 and above, 1130 00:55:14,979 --> 00:55:16,981 have fled or been expelled 1131 00:55:17,014 --> 00:55:18,916 from this society. 1132 00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:23,688 And at the demand of its fanatical leader, 1133 00:55:23,721 --> 00:55:24,855 Warren Jeffs. 1134 00:55:24,889 --> 00:55:26,524 Dan made it his mission 1135 00:55:26,557 --> 00:55:28,058 to help these boys who were exiled with nothing. 1136 00:55:28,092 --> 00:55:30,528 Nobody else 1137 00:55:30,561 --> 00:55:34,532 had both a knowledge of what was going on, 1138 00:55:34,632 --> 00:55:36,401 the financial resources, 1139 00:55:36,434 --> 00:55:39,504 and the understanding to do it. 1140 00:55:39,537 --> 00:55:43,941 And you either accept that or you don't. 1141 00:55:43,974 --> 00:55:47,578 It's... pretty damn simple. 1142 00:55:47,612 --> 00:55:50,548 Even though very uncomfortable, 1143 00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:52,983 it's pretty damn simple. 1144 00:55:53,017 --> 00:55:56,020 We wanted to take Warren out of power. 1145 00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:58,789 Even after he was on the run, 1146 00:55:58,823 --> 00:56:00,090 he was still destroying families, 1147 00:56:00,124 --> 00:56:02,527 removing people from their homes. 1148 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,796 Warren Jeffs had absolute control 1149 00:56:05,830 --> 00:56:07,732 over the homes of the people. 1150 00:56:07,765 --> 00:56:08,966 And so 1151 00:56:08,999 --> 00:56:11,402 the Lost Boys decided to 1152 00:56:11,436 --> 00:56:13,003 go after the land. 1153 00:56:13,037 --> 00:56:14,071 And so, 1154 00:56:14,104 --> 00:56:17,174 we came to realize that 1155 00:56:17,207 --> 00:56:18,843 there could and should be a court case 1156 00:56:18,876 --> 00:56:22,046 brought against the ownership 1157 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,113 of the properties. 1158 00:56:23,147 --> 00:56:25,483 And that was Warren Jeffs. 1159 00:56:29,754 --> 00:56:32,857 So the court case was filed. 1160 00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:34,158 Warren Jeffs came out 1161 00:56:34,191 --> 00:56:36,427 with the mandate that, 1162 00:56:36,461 --> 00:56:39,430 "We will answer them nothing." 1163 00:56:39,464 --> 00:56:42,867 And basically saying, "We're above the laws of the land, 1164 00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,535 we answer to a higher power." 1165 00:56:44,569 --> 00:56:48,939 He mandated that there'd be no response 1166 00:56:48,973 --> 00:56:51,909 from his attorneys, that they not show up in court. 1167 00:56:51,942 --> 00:56:53,010 Warren had thought 1168 00:56:53,043 --> 00:56:55,513 the veil of religious freedom, 1169 00:56:55,546 --> 00:56:57,948 protection was enough. 1170 00:56:58,015 --> 00:57:01,185 That there would be no judgment against him. 1171 00:57:01,218 --> 00:57:03,821 I mean, this is the first time this has happened. 1172 00:57:03,854 --> 00:57:05,590 No one had blatantly came out 1173 00:57:05,623 --> 00:57:08,626 and tried to sue them like that. 1174 00:57:08,659 --> 00:57:11,762 We showed up with to court with our counsel. 1175 00:57:11,796 --> 00:57:14,699 And what happens when you go to court and only one side's there? 1176 00:57:14,732 --> 00:57:16,166 The side that showed up won. 1177 00:57:23,107 --> 00:57:25,876 He still had thousands of followers 1178 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:27,578 and millions of dollars 1179 00:57:27,612 --> 00:57:29,213 to run on. 1180 00:57:29,246 --> 00:57:30,781 But his world 1181 00:57:30,815 --> 00:57:32,950 was starting to shrink, 1182 00:57:32,983 --> 00:57:35,920 his powers were starting to be curtailed. 1183 00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:39,156 It was really the beginning of the end for Warren Jeffs. 1184 00:57:45,062 --> 00:57:46,864 I was born into a polygamous family, 1185 00:57:46,897 --> 00:57:48,799 24 children and three mothers. 1186 00:57:50,234 --> 00:57:52,770 I knew marriage was a part of my future. 1187 00:57:52,803 --> 00:57:54,138 I dreamed of it, 1188 00:57:54,171 --> 00:57:55,973 I prayed for it, 1189 00:57:56,006 --> 00:57:57,508 I did all the perfect things 1190 00:57:57,542 --> 00:57:59,143 that a perfect prissy girl would do 1191 00:57:59,176 --> 00:58:00,244 to prepare themselves 1192 00:58:00,277 --> 00:58:01,912 for marriage. 1193 00:58:01,946 --> 00:58:03,247 But I was young, 1194 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,949 I was 14. 1195 00:58:04,982 --> 00:58:06,684 And up to that point, 1196 00:58:06,717 --> 00:58:08,886 it had been very difficult to actually find a witness 1197 00:58:08,919 --> 00:58:10,621 who was willing to talk. 1198 00:58:10,655 --> 00:58:13,724 I met Elissa Wall one night at a restaurant. 1199 00:58:13,758 --> 00:58:17,528 As we had dinner, she told me her story. 1200 00:58:17,562 --> 00:58:19,296 Usually when a girl is to be married, 1201 00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:21,866 they're excited, they're happy, 1202 00:58:21,899 --> 00:58:23,768 and they're just so lucky and blessed 1203 00:58:23,801 --> 00:58:25,703 to have the prophet love them enough 1204 00:58:25,736 --> 00:58:27,638 to find a place for them to be married. 1205 00:58:27,672 --> 00:58:30,040 Then I learned that I was to marry my first cousin, 1206 00:58:30,074 --> 00:58:31,642 Allen Steed. 1207 00:58:31,676 --> 00:58:34,779 And I had a very deep hatred for him. 1208 00:58:36,614 --> 00:58:39,817 I remember going to Caliente in Nevada. 1209 00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,054 There was a hotel that was owned by 1210 00:58:44,088 --> 00:58:47,324 by a member of the FLDS there. 1211 00:58:47,357 --> 00:58:50,761 I broke down for a moment to my mother and I just said, 1212 00:58:50,795 --> 00:58:52,196 "I can't do this. 1213 00:58:52,229 --> 00:58:54,599 I cannot do this, Mom." 1214 00:58:54,632 --> 00:58:57,635 And she, as a good FLDS mom, 1215 00:58:57,668 --> 00:58:59,069 "Yes, you can. 1216 00:58:59,103 --> 00:59:01,238 And you will." 1217 00:59:08,212 --> 00:59:10,715 We were taught from a very young age 1218 00:59:10,748 --> 00:59:12,850 deep religious beliefs 1219 00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,785 about what it meant to be a woman. 1220 00:59:14,819 --> 00:59:16,086 A woman's job 1221 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,156 was to ultimately become married to a man, 1222 00:59:19,189 --> 00:59:20,858 hopefully with many wives, 1223 00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:22,092 and to have children. 1224 00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:24,929 A woman cannot go to Heaven 1225 00:59:24,962 --> 00:59:26,263 on her own, 1226 00:59:26,296 --> 00:59:29,099 she has to be sealed to a man. 1227 00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:32,069 And meant to listen 1228 00:59:32,102 --> 00:59:33,871 to whatever the husband said. 1229 00:59:33,904 --> 00:59:38,375 He was the connection to my salvation. 1230 00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:41,646 There's that moment of me walking down the stairs 1231 00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:45,349 in this beautifully crafted wedding dress 1232 00:59:45,382 --> 00:59:48,052 that any other girl, it seemed in the community, 1233 00:59:48,085 --> 00:59:49,854 would be so happy to be wearing. 1234 00:59:49,887 --> 00:59:53,858 For me, it really felt like I was dressed to face death. 1235 00:59:53,891 --> 00:59:58,162 I really wanted to die. 1236 01:00:04,168 --> 01:00:06,804 At the end of the ceremony, Warren took both of our hands 1237 01:00:06,837 --> 01:00:09,039 and looked me in the eye and he said, 1238 01:00:09,073 --> 01:00:11,776 "Now go forth and multiply and replenish the Earth." 1239 01:00:14,178 --> 01:00:16,413 I don't remember much of the drive back, 1240 01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:17,915 I just kept seeing Warren's eyes 1241 01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:21,251 in my head over and over and over, 1242 01:00:21,285 --> 01:00:25,856 wondering... what was next. 1243 01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:29,827 About three years into my marriage to Allen... 1244 01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:30,895 it was hell. 1245 01:00:30,928 --> 01:00:32,730 It was abusive, 1246 01:00:32,763 --> 01:00:36,133 both physically, mentally and sexually. 1247 01:00:36,166 --> 01:00:40,137 And Warren knew what's happening in this relationship 1248 01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:41,706 that he had put together. 1249 01:00:41,739 --> 01:00:45,309 I often just begged for release. 1250 01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:48,312 And within the FLDS, that is, in essence, a divorce. 1251 01:00:50,114 --> 01:00:52,182 One day, Warren called in 1252 01:00:52,216 --> 01:00:54,351 and he told me that I was evil 1253 01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:56,153 and a wicked person. 1254 01:00:56,186 --> 01:00:57,855 In our teaching, we had been told 1255 01:00:57,888 --> 01:00:59,757 quite a bit about blood atonement. 1256 01:00:59,790 --> 01:01:03,160 Someone who had committed the worst crimes 1257 01:01:03,193 --> 01:01:05,262 could atone for those crimes 1258 01:01:05,295 --> 01:01:07,064 by giving their own life. 1259 01:01:07,097 --> 01:01:08,398 We would lay on altar 1260 01:01:08,432 --> 01:01:10,300 and have our throat slit 1261 01:01:10,334 --> 01:01:11,468 and we would be giving God 1262 01:01:11,501 --> 01:01:12,837 the gift that he gave us, 1263 01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:14,038 which is the gift of life 1264 01:01:14,071 --> 01:01:15,239 in atonement for our sins. 1265 01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:17,441 I remember Warren said 1266 01:01:17,474 --> 01:01:19,276 that that was my only saving grace. 1267 01:01:22,146 --> 01:01:23,313 This would lead 1268 01:01:23,347 --> 01:01:24,982 to giving me the courage 1269 01:01:25,015 --> 01:01:27,718 to just make the leap, to run. 1270 01:01:27,752 --> 01:01:31,121 We had a very compelling case because we had 1271 01:01:31,155 --> 01:01:32,723 a courageous young woman 1272 01:01:32,757 --> 01:01:36,093 who was articulate, sincere 1273 01:01:36,126 --> 01:01:38,062 and there was corroborating evidence for. 1274 01:01:38,095 --> 01:01:40,464 So everything we looked for in terms of building a case 1275 01:01:40,497 --> 01:01:43,000 we had for the very first time. 1276 01:01:43,033 --> 01:01:45,235 The criminal charges allege 1277 01:01:45,269 --> 01:01:47,872 that Mr. Jeffs encouraged, 1278 01:01:47,905 --> 01:01:49,807 commanded, 1279 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,475 aided, abetted another 1280 01:01:51,508 --> 01:01:53,410 to have sexual intercourse 1281 01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:56,480 with a victim between the ages 14 and 18 1282 01:01:56,513 --> 01:01:59,416 without her consent. 1283 01:01:59,449 --> 01:02:03,453 At the time, Warren was on the lam, 1284 01:02:03,487 --> 01:02:06,757 so Elissa Wall tipped the balance for the FBI 1285 01:02:06,791 --> 01:02:09,426 and they put Warren Jeffs on the FBI Most Wanted List. 1286 01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:10,961 Good evening. 1287 01:02:10,995 --> 01:02:12,763 Over the weekend, Osama bin Laden, 1288 01:02:12,797 --> 01:02:14,364 and eight other men were joined 1289 01:02:14,398 --> 01:02:17,101 on the FBI's Most Wanted List by Warren Jeffs. 1290 01:02:17,134 --> 01:02:19,436 The FBI considers him armed and dangerous 1291 01:02:19,469 --> 01:02:22,406 and he's allegedly known for crimes against children. 1292 01:02:22,439 --> 01:02:25,375 We had the FBI come to our house a couple times. 1293 01:02:25,409 --> 01:02:27,778 When they showed up, 1294 01:02:27,812 --> 01:02:29,914 it created such a hatred for them 1295 01:02:29,947 --> 01:02:31,248 because we felt like they were always 1296 01:02:31,281 --> 01:02:32,950 trying to get us and hurt us. 1297 01:02:32,983 --> 01:02:34,384 Warren Jeffs hasn't been seen 1298 01:02:34,418 --> 01:02:36,120 in more than a year. 1299 01:02:36,153 --> 01:02:38,088 The FBI has been searching for him since June 1300 01:02:38,122 --> 01:02:39,990 on charges of fleeing prosecution 1301 01:02:40,024 --> 01:02:41,992 in Arizona. 1302 01:02:45,830 --> 01:02:47,131 There was that fateful day. 1303 01:02:47,164 --> 01:02:49,099 I remember 1304 01:02:49,133 --> 01:02:50,467 we turned the TV on and there, 1305 01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,103 all over every channel was news coverage 1306 01:02:53,137 --> 01:02:54,538 that Warren had been caught. 1307 01:02:54,571 --> 01:02:56,874 I'd like to announce the arrest 1308 01:02:56,907 --> 01:03:01,011 of FBI Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitive, Warren Steed Jeffs. 1309 01:03:02,612 --> 01:03:04,148 It was just a routine traffic stop 1310 01:03:04,181 --> 01:03:06,116 by a Nevada Highway Patrol. 1311 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:08,552 He was arrested near Las Vegas late Monday. 1312 01:03:08,585 --> 01:03:10,554 He'd been on the run for two years. 1313 01:03:10,587 --> 01:03:11,588 He was riding around 1314 01:03:11,621 --> 01:03:13,190 in a big, fancy Escalade 1315 01:03:13,223 --> 01:03:16,126 with all kinds of money, 1316 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,129 and communication devices, and wigs. 1317 01:03:19,163 --> 01:03:21,098 One of his cute, little wives and his brother 1318 01:03:21,131 --> 01:03:24,168 were basically running around the world seeing Disneyland. 1319 01:03:24,201 --> 01:03:27,004 It was more shocking to me 1320 01:03:27,037 --> 01:03:29,073 that he was arrested with Isaac and Naomi 1321 01:03:29,106 --> 01:03:30,941 in the gentile clothing. 1322 01:03:30,975 --> 01:03:33,377 And I think that anybody that was watching that circumstance 1323 01:03:33,410 --> 01:03:36,280 saw the hypocrisy of it. 1324 01:03:36,313 --> 01:03:37,481 I did. 1325 01:03:37,514 --> 01:03:39,984 I think he would've ran 1326 01:03:40,017 --> 01:03:42,286 as long as he could've and as far as he could've. 1327 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:45,289 But I do think he knew he was going to be caught. 1328 01:03:45,322 --> 01:03:48,358 We didn't think that Father would get arrested, 1329 01:03:48,392 --> 01:03:50,460 he always told us that the Lord would protect him. 1330 01:03:52,229 --> 01:03:55,165 For us, it was the saddest thing in the world. 1331 01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:58,368 It seemed like the whole religion went into prison. 1332 01:03:58,402 --> 01:04:01,271 We did a lot of fasting and... 1333 01:04:01,305 --> 01:04:02,372 you know, just praying for him, 1334 01:04:02,406 --> 01:04:04,074 and that he'd be strengthened, 1335 01:04:04,108 --> 01:04:07,044 and the Lord would bless him and help him through. 1336 01:04:10,614 --> 01:04:12,282 Warren was arrested in Nevada 1337 01:04:12,316 --> 01:04:14,651 so he was held in Las Vegas. 1338 01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:16,453 And two of my deputies went down 1339 01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:19,656 to do the paperwork with regard to transferring him. 1340 01:04:19,689 --> 01:04:22,192 It was a simple hearing, nothing was involved, 1341 01:04:22,226 --> 01:04:23,994 and there were mobs of cameras. 1342 01:04:26,196 --> 01:04:27,497 And that was when we first realized 1343 01:04:27,531 --> 01:04:30,634 this is gonna be a different prosecution for us. 1344 01:04:30,667 --> 01:04:32,903 Okay, what would you like to do? 1345 01:04:37,174 --> 01:04:39,076 You wanna waive your rights in regards to extradition 1346 01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:41,311 and go back as quickly as they can have-- 1347 01:04:41,345 --> 01:04:43,213 that they can come pick you up? 1348 01:04:43,247 --> 01:04:44,514 All right. 1349 01:04:44,548 --> 01:04:46,050 I immediately called Elissa 1350 01:04:46,083 --> 01:04:47,517 and said, 1351 01:04:47,551 --> 01:04:49,987 "It's happening. It's on." 1352 01:05:15,045 --> 01:05:16,713 While Warren Jeffs was incarcerated 1353 01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:19,016 at Purgatory Correctional Facility in Washington County, 1354 01:05:19,049 --> 01:05:23,220 and awaiting trial on charges of rape as an accomplice, 1355 01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:26,323 he gave what has been called a confession. 1356 01:05:33,263 --> 01:05:35,099 I think he realized, 1357 01:05:35,132 --> 01:05:38,102 "Oh, . 1358 01:05:38,135 --> 01:05:39,503 It caught up with me." 1359 01:05:50,214 --> 01:05:54,218 He had no limits within that small community. 1360 01:05:54,251 --> 01:05:57,121 Now, as soon as he got outside the community, 1361 01:05:57,154 --> 01:06:00,324 of course, no one acknowledged his legitimacy 1362 01:06:00,357 --> 01:06:02,492 or his authority. 1363 01:06:02,526 --> 01:06:05,395 And I think that was a rude awakening. 1364 01:06:05,429 --> 01:06:07,397 He lost all of that control 1365 01:06:07,431 --> 01:06:09,133 that he had always had. 1366 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,381 That recording 1367 01:06:24,414 --> 01:06:26,350 was hidden, buried, 1368 01:06:26,383 --> 01:06:28,385 discredited. 1369 01:06:28,418 --> 01:06:30,554 People were told it was made up, 1370 01:06:30,587 --> 01:06:32,522 that he was drugged. 1371 01:06:32,556 --> 01:06:36,026 In actuality, it was the one time he told the truth. 1372 01:06:47,104 --> 01:06:48,772 With the case pending, 1373 01:06:48,805 --> 01:06:51,241 the rules of ethics and evidence 1374 01:06:51,275 --> 01:06:53,410 didn't allow us to just go announce, 1375 01:06:53,443 --> 01:06:55,545 "Hey, world, look what Warren has said." 1376 01:07:21,338 --> 01:07:23,473 The legal case against Warren Jeffs, 1377 01:07:23,507 --> 01:07:25,475 the leader of a polygamist religion or cult, 1378 01:07:25,509 --> 01:07:30,046 is now underway in the state of Utah. 1379 01:07:32,149 --> 01:07:34,284 The trial was extraordinary 1380 01:07:34,318 --> 01:07:37,321 for Washington County. 1381 01:07:37,354 --> 01:07:40,090 The security was out in force. 1382 01:07:40,124 --> 01:07:42,792 We had a great deal of concern about protecting Elissa. 1383 01:07:42,826 --> 01:07:45,795 She was in a Witness Protection Program, 1384 01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:48,632 we took great care to safeguard her 1385 01:07:48,665 --> 01:07:50,167 and make her feel comfortable 1386 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,469 so that we could get our case to trial. 1387 01:07:52,502 --> 01:07:55,139 I mean, the case rose and fell on her, 1388 01:07:55,172 --> 01:07:56,740 and her ability to connect with the jury 1389 01:07:56,773 --> 01:07:59,876 to convey the story as to what happened to her. 1390 01:08:01,911 --> 01:08:03,713 The day of the preliminary hearing, 1391 01:08:03,747 --> 01:08:05,482 it was the first time 1392 01:08:05,515 --> 01:08:08,418 that I would actually face Warren Jeffs. 1393 01:08:08,452 --> 01:08:13,290 I sat on that stand and I looked dead in Warren's eyes 1394 01:08:13,323 --> 01:08:17,661 and I forced myself to hold eye contact. 1395 01:08:17,694 --> 01:08:19,663 I remember we sat there and stared at each other 1396 01:08:19,696 --> 01:08:22,766 for a good few minutes and, ultimately, 1397 01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:25,835 he shook his head and just dropped his eyes. 1398 01:08:25,869 --> 01:08:28,772 I had claimed my power 1399 01:08:28,805 --> 01:08:31,275 and I had claimed my freedom 1400 01:08:31,308 --> 01:08:33,343 because he did not control me. 1401 01:08:33,377 --> 01:08:35,812 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we are back in session. 1402 01:08:35,879 --> 01:08:37,914 State of Utah versus Warren Steed Jeffs. 1403 01:08:37,947 --> 01:08:41,151 Mr. Jeffs is here with his counsel. 1404 01:08:41,185 --> 01:08:42,519 It's not easy 1405 01:08:42,552 --> 01:08:46,290 to convict somebody of accomplice to rape. 1406 01:08:46,323 --> 01:08:48,758 Especially when they're a religious leader 1407 01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:50,527 and the defense is 1408 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,296 he was just giving religious advice 1409 01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:53,330 to this couple. 1410 01:08:53,363 --> 01:08:55,432 Just marriage counseling, 1411 01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:56,900 trying to help them work out their problems 1412 01:08:56,933 --> 01:08:58,668 as husband and wife. 1413 01:08:58,702 --> 01:09:00,304 I don't believe that Warren Jeffs 1414 01:09:00,337 --> 01:09:02,306 has ever done anything wrong. 1415 01:09:02,339 --> 01:09:03,707 Well, it wasn't a husband and wife, 1416 01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:04,941 she was not married, 1417 01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:06,376 it was an illegal marriage. 1418 01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:08,678 I was... shocked 1419 01:09:08,712 --> 01:09:10,914 I was like, "No way I... 1420 01:09:10,947 --> 01:09:13,317 there is no way I'm going to marry that man. 1421 01:09:16,253 --> 01:09:18,588 This entire time that I was there, 1422 01:09:18,622 --> 01:09:21,425 I was... I was crying. 1423 01:09:21,458 --> 01:09:22,959 And I just, I honestly just wanted to die 1424 01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:27,397 because I was so scared. 1425 01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:35,505 Because I had two younger sisters 1426 01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:38,508 still in the FLDS... 1427 01:09:38,542 --> 01:09:41,345 I had the overwhelming realization 1428 01:09:41,378 --> 01:09:43,213 that what happened to me 1429 01:09:43,247 --> 01:09:45,949 would probably, most definitely happen to them. 1430 01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:50,287 During the trial, 1431 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,457 I had this picture of my two sisters. 1432 01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:57,227 And, every day, I would look at that. 1433 01:09:57,261 --> 01:09:59,429 They gave me the courage I needed 1434 01:09:59,463 --> 01:10:01,998 or allowed me to, at least, tap into the courage I possessed 1435 01:10:02,031 --> 01:10:04,534 and hopefully protect my sisters. 1436 01:10:07,837 --> 01:10:10,240 Has this jury reached a verdict? 1437 01:10:10,274 --> 01:10:12,442 - Yes. - Would you hand that to the bailiff, please, sir? 1438 01:10:12,476 --> 01:10:15,245 Waiting for that verdict was not easy. 1439 01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:16,913 I mean, the work was done, 1440 01:10:16,946 --> 01:10:20,350 and now, everything we've done is out of our hands 1441 01:10:20,384 --> 01:10:22,352 and in the hands of the jury. 1442 01:10:22,386 --> 01:10:25,289 Mr. Jeffs, would you please stand 1443 01:10:25,322 --> 01:10:26,623 as the verdict is read? 1444 01:10:28,458 --> 01:10:30,794 We needed so desperately 1445 01:10:30,827 --> 01:10:32,896 to have Warren Jeffs held accountable 1446 01:10:32,929 --> 01:10:36,766 to try and stop the damage he was doing to these people. 1447 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,669 It could've gone either way, it was really tough. 1448 01:10:39,703 --> 01:10:43,407 You'd think that this would be an easy thing... you know? 1449 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:44,641 But it wasn't. 1450 01:10:44,674 --> 01:10:46,543 The defendant is guilty 1451 01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,345 beyond a reasonable doubt. 1452 01:10:48,378 --> 01:10:49,846 51-year-old Warren Jeffs 1453 01:10:49,879 --> 01:10:52,582 showed no emotion as the verdict was read. 1454 01:10:55,519 --> 01:10:57,987 He didn't really let it faze him. 1455 01:10:58,021 --> 01:11:01,991 There was definitely a kind of a hushed silence. 1456 01:11:02,025 --> 01:11:05,495 I just started to cry because I knew that 1457 01:11:05,529 --> 01:11:09,333 my mother and thousands and thousands of other people 1458 01:11:09,366 --> 01:11:12,469 that loved Warren more than loved themselves, 1459 01:11:12,502 --> 01:11:15,305 that this was going to be a shot to their heart. 1460 01:11:15,339 --> 01:11:18,642 And it was a painful, conflicting moment of realizing 1461 01:11:18,675 --> 01:11:21,611 that the right thing had happened... 1462 01:11:21,645 --> 01:11:23,547 but that the people were the ones to pay. 1463 01:11:31,755 --> 01:11:32,822 When you look back 1464 01:11:32,856 --> 01:11:34,424 at her courage 1465 01:11:34,458 --> 01:11:36,460 to overcome years of indoctrination 1466 01:11:36,493 --> 01:11:38,094 and say, "This just isn't right," 1467 01:11:38,127 --> 01:11:39,763 and to come and say, "I'm gonna say that 1468 01:11:39,796 --> 01:11:43,667 the man who is the mouthpiece of God was wrong." 1469 01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:46,803 Her example will shine a light 1470 01:11:46,836 --> 01:11:48,605 of hope for others. 1471 01:11:48,638 --> 01:11:51,107 That was really scary for her. 1472 01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:52,108 Really scary. 1473 01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:55,845 Talk about a hero. 1474 01:11:55,879 --> 01:11:57,381 When I was young, 1475 01:11:57,414 --> 01:11:59,115 my mother taught me 1476 01:11:59,148 --> 01:12:03,553 that evil flourishes when good men do nothing. 1477 01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,922 This has not been easy for us. 1478 01:12:05,955 --> 01:12:08,658 The easy thing would've been to do nothing. 1479 01:12:12,696 --> 01:12:15,765 I have a picture of her standing there 1480 01:12:15,799 --> 01:12:20,103 alone in front of a microphone with all the cameras around. 1481 01:12:20,136 --> 01:12:24,408 She demonstrated enormous courage and fortitude. 1482 01:12:24,441 --> 01:12:26,576 She was definitely the right person 1483 01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:29,613 at the right time for the right job. 1484 01:12:29,646 --> 01:12:31,415 Without Elissa, 1485 01:12:31,448 --> 01:12:36,486 it's very probable that Warren wouldn't be in prison. 1486 01:12:38,722 --> 01:12:40,457 Aboard this helicopter, 1487 01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:42,692 the man thousands believe is a prophet of God, 1488 01:12:42,726 --> 01:12:45,061 Warren Jeffs, being transported to jail 1489 01:12:45,094 --> 01:12:46,696 as a convicted felon. 1490 01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:52,969 I was hopeful at the time that that would be 1491 01:12:53,002 --> 01:12:54,904 a turning point for his people. 1492 01:12:54,938 --> 01:12:56,773 It didn't really turn out that way. 1493 01:13:04,981 --> 01:13:07,150 Warren Jeffs, the leader of the largest 1494 01:13:07,183 --> 01:13:08,985 polygamist sect in North America 1495 01:13:09,018 --> 01:13:11,455 received two consecutive sentences 1496 01:13:11,488 --> 01:13:13,189 of five years to life. 1497 01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:16,125 Unfortunately, the story doesn't end when Warren goes to prison. 1498 01:13:18,094 --> 01:13:19,796 At this point within the FLDS, 1499 01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,865 the stakes were incredibly high. 1500 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:24,834 They've lived their entire life in a state of 1501 01:13:24,868 --> 01:13:26,436 horrific fear. 1502 01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:28,505 And now, the outside world 1503 01:13:28,538 --> 01:13:30,640 had the community under the microscope. 1504 01:13:46,556 --> 01:13:48,525 They brought in their lines 1505 01:13:48,558 --> 01:13:49,959 of officers. 1506 01:13:49,993 --> 01:13:51,194 "If you resist, 1507 01:13:51,227 --> 01:13:52,996 we will arrest you." 1508 01:13:53,029 --> 01:13:55,865 I'm Rich Matthews in El Dorado, Texas 1509 01:13:55,899 --> 01:13:57,967 where authorities are serving a search warrant 1510 01:13:58,001 --> 01:13:59,969 on the compound of Warren Jeffs. 1511 01:14:00,003 --> 01:14:02,205 We knew about the compound in Texas. 1512 01:14:02,238 --> 01:14:04,007 Very secretive. 1513 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,543 And we knew there was a lot going on down there. 1514 01:14:06,576 --> 01:14:08,512 When they finally gained entrance, 1515 01:14:08,545 --> 01:14:09,713 they began to witness 1516 01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:11,080 young girls that were pregnant. 1517 01:14:13,216 --> 01:14:16,853 Texas walked in prepared for what they were faced with. 1518 01:14:16,886 --> 01:14:19,789 They were under the impression there was a small amount of children 1519 01:14:19,823 --> 01:14:21,157 and they were just there to kind of investigate. 1520 01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:22,959 They really wanted to 1521 01:14:22,992 --> 01:14:24,661 do the right thing. 1522 01:14:24,694 --> 01:14:26,095 And it was just kind of the snowball effect 1523 01:14:26,129 --> 01:14:27,864 that ultimately lead to all of the children 1524 01:14:27,897 --> 01:14:28,898 being removed. 1525 01:14:28,932 --> 01:14:30,233 They ended up removing 1526 01:14:30,266 --> 01:14:32,068 463 children 1527 01:14:32,101 --> 01:14:33,670 from the YFZ Ranch. 1528 01:14:33,703 --> 01:14:36,906 The problem was 1529 01:14:36,940 --> 01:14:39,576 the optics publically were terrible. 1530 01:14:42,812 --> 01:14:44,548 If you parade sobbing mothers 1531 01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:47,817 on television, our natural instinct for viewers 1532 01:14:47,851 --> 01:14:49,986 are to say, "Oh, that's horrible," 1533 01:14:50,019 --> 01:14:51,688 without even thinking for a second 1534 01:14:51,721 --> 01:14:53,690 that there's a reason that they were taken away. 1535 01:14:53,723 --> 01:14:56,192 I want the world to know 1536 01:14:56,225 --> 01:14:59,529 that I forgive everybody. 1537 01:14:59,563 --> 01:15:01,865 We want our children, they took 'em. 1538 01:15:01,898 --> 01:15:04,901 They didn't give us a chance to say goodbye. 1539 01:15:04,934 --> 01:15:07,937 They'd created this PR image 1540 01:15:07,971 --> 01:15:10,039 of the 1953 raid. 1541 01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:16,312 And that's what they tried to recreate. 1542 01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:18,047 And in some sense, 1543 01:15:18,081 --> 01:15:19,883 they accomplished that. 1544 01:15:24,053 --> 01:15:25,755 The FLDS hierarchy 1545 01:15:25,789 --> 01:15:28,892 knows the optics. 1546 01:15:28,925 --> 01:15:30,960 They're good at seizing the moment 1547 01:15:30,994 --> 01:15:33,830 and presenting their victimization. 1548 01:15:33,863 --> 01:15:35,632 The timing of the Texas raid couldn't have been better 1549 01:15:35,665 --> 01:15:37,601 for Warren. 1550 01:15:37,634 --> 01:15:39,268 Sadly, it played right into his narrative. 1551 01:15:39,302 --> 01:15:42,572 Evil was trying harder than ever to take out 1552 01:15:42,606 --> 01:15:43,807 the Lord's people. 1553 01:15:51,981 --> 01:15:53,850 There are some disturbing new details 1554 01:15:53,883 --> 01:15:55,785 about what investigators have found 1555 01:15:55,819 --> 01:15:58,021 during their now concluded search of that compound. 1556 01:15:58,054 --> 01:16:01,024 In this photo, crime scene technicians are seen 1557 01:16:01,057 --> 01:16:02,225 examining a bed 1558 01:16:02,258 --> 01:16:03,727 found in the temple. 1559 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,194 A bed investigators say 1560 01:16:05,228 --> 01:16:07,631 maybe have been used to consummate marriages 1561 01:16:07,664 --> 01:16:09,933 between adult men and underage girls. 1562 01:16:09,966 --> 01:16:12,035 Texas prosecutors are said to have 1563 01:16:12,068 --> 01:16:13,637 church marriage records, 1564 01:16:13,670 --> 01:16:15,905 photos, even DNA evidence 1565 01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:17,874 that Warren Jeffs had sex 1566 01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:19,676 with girls as young as 12. 1567 01:16:33,322 --> 01:16:35,792 Mr. Jeffs, 1568 01:16:35,825 --> 01:16:39,295 did you rape those two girls? 1569 01:16:39,328 --> 01:16:42,365 Warren Jeffs decided he wanted to represent himself. 1570 01:16:42,398 --> 01:16:44,133 I can tell you with complete 1571 01:16:44,167 --> 01:16:47,871 conviction that that was a bad idea. 1572 01:16:47,904 --> 01:16:51,675 He got up, talking about religious history 1573 01:16:51,708 --> 01:16:56,079 and the persecution of his people over the last 150 years. 1574 01:16:56,112 --> 01:16:57,881 Your eyes glazed over. 1575 01:16:57,914 --> 01:17:00,116 In his closing argument, 1576 01:17:00,149 --> 01:17:01,818 Warren Jeffs stood silent, 1577 01:17:01,851 --> 01:17:05,054 staring at the jurors for 30 minutes, 1578 01:17:05,088 --> 01:17:09,192 speaking only once saying, "I am at peace." 1579 01:17:09,225 --> 01:17:10,760 He's a pervert. 1580 01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:13,162 And the crazy thing is 1581 01:17:13,196 --> 01:17:16,733 is he perverted his own religion. 1582 01:17:16,766 --> 01:17:19,869 Warren Jeffs has been sentenced to life in prison. 1583 01:17:19,903 --> 01:17:22,005 Jeffs was convicted in Texas 1584 01:17:22,038 --> 01:17:24,974 of having sex with girls as young as 12. 1585 01:17:25,008 --> 01:17:26,676 He won't be eligible for parole until 1586 01:17:26,710 --> 01:17:28,812 he's at least 100 years old. 1587 01:17:35,852 --> 01:17:38,688 It was really hard to hear the sentence. 1588 01:17:38,722 --> 01:17:39,823 In my mind, 1589 01:17:39,856 --> 01:17:41,357 I was like, "It'll never-- 1590 01:17:41,390 --> 01:17:42,458 it's never gonna be that long, 1591 01:17:42,491 --> 01:17:44,728 they have no way to hold him." 1592 01:17:44,761 --> 01:17:47,296 'Cause Father would tell us stories about, 1593 01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:49,065 in the Bible or stuff where 1594 01:17:49,098 --> 01:17:52,201 God delivered people from the hands of their enemies. 1595 01:17:52,235 --> 01:17:54,170 He said that that could happen for him 1596 01:17:54,203 --> 01:17:57,774 if we were good enough for it to happen. 1597 01:18:06,415 --> 01:18:09,018 Sad to say, after some amount of time 1598 01:18:09,052 --> 01:18:12,088 his mother and some others go in 1599 01:18:12,121 --> 01:18:14,257 and convince him that he is the prophet. 1600 01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:16,926 And now he's back in being the prophet again. 1601 01:18:20,096 --> 01:18:22,098 His followers, they don't believe it. 1602 01:18:22,131 --> 01:18:23,432 They don't believe any of this stuff. 1603 01:18:23,466 --> 01:18:25,769 "I don't believe the confessions, 1604 01:18:25,802 --> 01:18:28,204 I don't believe that he's doing this." 1605 01:18:28,237 --> 01:18:30,273 The follower wants to have somebody 1606 01:18:30,306 --> 01:18:31,808 to tell them who they are 1607 01:18:31,841 --> 01:18:33,342 and that they're special. 1608 01:18:33,376 --> 01:18:36,345 The followers often sacrifice a great deal, 1609 01:18:36,379 --> 01:18:38,414 but, in return, they get this confidence 1610 01:18:38,447 --> 01:18:40,049 that they are different than all the evil people 1611 01:18:40,083 --> 01:18:41,417 out in the world today, 1612 01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:44,220 that they're God's special people. 1613 01:18:44,253 --> 01:18:45,755 In some ways, I think that 1614 01:18:45,789 --> 01:18:49,258 Warren is maybe even more effective 1615 01:18:49,292 --> 01:18:50,860 from behind bars 1616 01:18:50,894 --> 01:18:52,829 than he was outside of prison. 1617 01:18:52,862 --> 01:18:56,099 In prison, he's a martyr. 1618 01:18:56,132 --> 01:18:57,433 And the people believe that 1619 01:18:57,466 --> 01:19:00,536 he is there atoning for their sins, 1620 01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:02,205 for their misgivings, 1621 01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:05,809 and that they need to try harder. 1622 01:19:05,842 --> 01:19:07,543 Basically, we blamed ourselves. 1623 01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:11,314 We knew it was because we didn't exert the faith 1624 01:19:11,347 --> 01:19:14,317 and we weren't worthy to have him among us 1625 01:19:14,350 --> 01:19:16,319 and that's why the Lord took him away. 1626 01:19:16,352 --> 01:19:19,155 That's... very much the mindset that we had. 1627 01:19:21,224 --> 01:19:23,893 That is really the source of Warren's power, 1628 01:19:23,927 --> 01:19:27,163 is that loyalty and blind obedience. 1629 01:19:36,005 --> 01:19:37,941 I grew up in Colorado City, Arizona, 1630 01:19:37,974 --> 01:19:40,109 Short Creek. 1631 01:19:40,143 --> 01:19:42,045 My dad, 1632 01:19:42,078 --> 01:19:44,347 he actually came out 1633 01:19:44,380 --> 01:19:48,117 and said that, um... 1634 01:19:48,151 --> 01:19:51,220 that he still believed in Warren Jeffs. 1635 01:19:51,254 --> 01:19:53,957 And I just didn't believe that. 1636 01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:55,959 So he just said, "Pack your things and go." 1637 01:20:01,097 --> 01:20:05,068 I have three little sisters that I can't say hi to, 1638 01:20:05,101 --> 01:20:06,903 not even "Hi." 1639 01:20:06,936 --> 01:20:08,404 And they don't even remember who I am 1640 01:20:08,437 --> 01:20:10,439 because you don't let me come around. 1641 01:20:10,473 --> 01:20:13,576 And now they're seven years old. 1642 01:20:18,081 --> 01:20:21,084 That I can't be a part of the family I grew up with. 1643 01:20:23,486 --> 01:20:25,354 Warren's in jail 1644 01:20:25,388 --> 01:20:30,860 and he's still controlling that town. 1645 01:20:30,894 --> 01:20:32,395 It's kind of despicable 1646 01:20:32,428 --> 01:20:35,064 what he's still allowed to get away with 1647 01:20:35,098 --> 01:20:37,066 from behind bars. 1648 01:20:43,472 --> 01:20:46,209 The last time I took Warren Jeff's deposition 1649 01:20:46,242 --> 01:20:47,944 was in Palestine, Texas. 1650 01:20:47,977 --> 01:20:50,579 This is continued deposition of Warren Jeffs 1651 01:20:50,613 --> 01:20:53,382 taken on February 13, 2014. 1652 01:20:53,416 --> 01:20:55,885 We're on the record at 2:08 p.m. 1653 01:20:55,919 --> 01:20:57,586 We wanted to give him a chance 1654 01:20:57,620 --> 01:21:01,590 to maybe explain to the FLDS people 1655 01:21:01,624 --> 01:21:03,426 and the public in general 1656 01:21:03,459 --> 01:21:05,028 what he was thinking. 1657 01:21:05,061 --> 01:21:06,229 And give him a chance 1658 01:21:06,262 --> 01:21:08,965 to come clean. 1659 01:21:08,998 --> 01:21:10,266 Well, he didn't come clean. 1660 01:21:18,341 --> 01:21:21,410 All of a sudden, he's taking the Fifth Amendment. 1661 01:21:21,444 --> 01:21:24,180 I don't know how much guilt's there, 1662 01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:26,449 how much shame is there. 1663 01:21:29,085 --> 01:21:32,488 The fact that Warren Jeffs is incarcerated in Texas 1664 01:21:32,521 --> 01:21:36,325 has done nothing to diminish his control 1665 01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:39,262 over the everyday lives of FLDS members 1666 01:21:39,295 --> 01:21:40,563 How do you feel that he's in jail, 1667 01:21:40,596 --> 01:21:41,998 maybe for the rest of his life? 1668 01:21:42,031 --> 01:21:43,299 I feel really bad. 1669 01:21:43,332 --> 01:21:45,068 I love him, I know that he loves me. 1670 01:21:45,101 --> 01:21:48,204 He continues to serve as the prophet 1671 01:21:48,237 --> 01:21:51,640 and, at least as of January 2016, 1672 01:21:51,674 --> 01:21:54,110 we had evidence that he continued 1673 01:21:54,143 --> 01:21:56,479 to direct the day-to-day operations of the church. 1674 01:21:58,647 --> 01:22:03,319 Including things like excommunicating individual members 1675 01:22:03,352 --> 01:22:04,988 and directing what women 1676 01:22:05,021 --> 01:22:09,058 should be placed with what caretakers. 1677 01:22:09,092 --> 01:22:11,527 The prison in Texas suspected 1678 01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,662 that Warren Jeffs' brothers were 1679 01:22:13,696 --> 01:22:16,332 were using hidden recording devices 1680 01:22:16,365 --> 01:22:18,968 to capture their weekly meetings with him. 1681 01:22:19,002 --> 01:22:22,005 Devices disguised as watches and pens. 1682 01:22:22,038 --> 01:22:24,473 Warren Jeffs was sending out coded letters. 1683 01:22:24,507 --> 01:22:27,510 A handful of trusted wives were the ones 1684 01:22:27,543 --> 01:22:29,678 who were able to unencrypt those letters 1685 01:22:29,712 --> 01:22:30,980 and get the messages back 1686 01:22:31,014 --> 01:22:32,448 to Short Creek. 1687 01:22:35,184 --> 01:22:36,352 Father Calvin said, "Yes, 1688 01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:38,187 the work's not stopped, 1689 01:22:38,221 --> 01:22:40,056 and we're going to keep going. 1690 01:22:40,089 --> 01:22:42,258 Heavenly Father's guiding us how he wants, 1691 01:22:42,291 --> 01:22:43,559 so you need to stay focused." 1692 01:22:43,592 --> 01:22:45,728 Even though he was in jail, 1693 01:22:45,761 --> 01:22:48,731 he would tell us "I'm happier than I've ever been before." 1694 01:22:48,764 --> 01:22:50,733 There's no hardship on him. 1695 01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:52,501 What's changed? 1696 01:22:52,535 --> 01:22:54,237 He's just not driving around, 1697 01:22:54,270 --> 01:22:56,672 kicking the dust off his boots. 1698 01:22:56,705 --> 01:23:01,177 Right now, he still gets visits from his wives. 1699 01:23:01,210 --> 01:23:04,980 He's still feeding his doctrine to the people of the FLDS. 1700 01:23:11,487 --> 01:23:13,756 You can't just go into that town 1701 01:23:13,789 --> 01:23:16,725 with an ice cream truck and get on a megaphone 1702 01:23:16,759 --> 01:23:21,364 and say, "What you believe is bull, here's why." 1703 01:23:21,397 --> 01:23:22,631 You can't just list off the reasons. 1704 01:23:22,665 --> 01:23:26,702 All you can really do is 1705 01:23:26,735 --> 01:23:29,505 show your support. 1706 01:23:29,538 --> 01:23:30,739 And when they're ready to 1707 01:23:30,773 --> 01:23:33,542 make that step to come out, 1708 01:23:33,576 --> 01:23:35,578 all you can do is be there for 'em. 1709 01:23:38,647 --> 01:23:41,050 It takes generations to overcome, 1710 01:23:41,084 --> 01:23:43,119 but you believe to your core. 1711 01:23:43,152 --> 01:23:46,322 Just as it takes generations to instill 1712 01:23:46,355 --> 01:23:48,624 new cores for future generations. 1713 01:23:48,657 --> 01:23:53,062 Dr. Fischer actually pays for my books in college. 1714 01:23:56,699 --> 01:23:58,734 They gave us the possibility 1715 01:23:58,767 --> 01:24:01,170 for a good future. 1716 01:24:01,204 --> 01:24:03,772 And I've chosen to live a different life. 1717 01:24:03,806 --> 01:24:06,509 More and more people are starting to wake up. 1718 01:24:06,542 --> 01:24:08,811 That's the term they use, they're waking up. 1719 01:24:16,619 --> 01:24:18,387 They started with 200 children, 1720 01:24:18,421 --> 01:24:21,824 and this year they began with almost 600 kids. 1721 01:24:21,857 --> 01:24:24,127 Families are putting their children 1722 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,229 in school, they're going against their culturing, 1723 01:24:26,262 --> 01:24:27,696 and their brainwashing, 1724 01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:29,832 and they're choosing to make a life for themselves. 1725 01:24:32,301 --> 01:24:35,404 I moved back and so did many, many other people. 1726 01:24:35,438 --> 01:24:36,605 And we moved back with a reason. 1727 01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:39,275 I believe that we can 1728 01:24:39,308 --> 01:24:40,776 recover this town. 1729 01:25:04,267 --> 01:25:06,902 I still love him 'cause he's my father. 1730 01:25:06,935 --> 01:25:10,239 I am so sad that he's made the choices he's made 1731 01:25:10,273 --> 01:25:12,775 I don't justify him, ever, 1732 01:25:12,808 --> 01:25:16,179 but it makes me sad that he has made those choices. 1733 01:25:16,212 --> 01:25:17,546 and that he has to suffer. 1734 01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:19,748 I want to forgive him, 1735 01:25:19,782 --> 01:25:23,319 but realizing what he's done, 1736 01:25:23,352 --> 01:25:26,389 it would require something pretty drastic for me to forgive him, 1737 01:25:26,422 --> 01:25:28,557 but it's not happened yet. 1738 01:25:28,591 --> 01:25:31,294 Not happened yet. 1739 01:25:34,763 --> 01:25:36,499 There is no way to see it fairly 1740 01:25:36,532 --> 01:25:39,668 from the outside world. 1741 01:25:39,702 --> 01:25:41,837 I hope that people will understand 1742 01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:43,806 what those religious people are going through 1743 01:25:43,839 --> 01:25:46,742 and why they make their choices. 1744 01:25:46,775 --> 01:25:49,278 They made their mistakes. 1745 01:25:49,312 --> 01:25:51,647 And they're still-- they have good in 'em, 1746 01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,782 they did good things in their life. 1747 01:25:56,285 --> 01:25:58,821 Hear, little children, 1748 01:25:58,854 --> 01:26:00,589 that I will lead you. 1749 01:26:00,623 --> 01:26:02,758 Let's tie ourselves to the prophet, 1750 01:26:02,791 --> 01:26:06,229 purifying ourselves where we can 1751 01:26:06,262 --> 01:26:08,931 always keep sweet... 1752 01:26:08,964 --> 01:26:10,333 no matter what. 133245

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