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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,630 --> 00:00:07,133 I was 7 or 8 years old. The phone rang. 3 00:00:07,258 --> 00:00:10,970 A man told me to convince my father to give up refereeing. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:11,137 --> 00:00:14,515 Otherwise, one day he'd come home in a coffin. 6 00:00:14,724 --> 00:00:18,519 I told my father what the stranger said. He continued to referee. 7 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:27,570 The Second Game 8 00:00:33,784 --> 00:00:36,579 - You were 38 years old? - Yes. 9 00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:39,290 Back in '88. 10 00:00:43,586 --> 00:00:45,671 Look. 11 00:00:45,796 --> 00:00:49,675 One of the linesmen is Crăciunescu, the other is Salomir. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,677 God rest his soul. 13 00:00:51,802 --> 00:00:55,848 How did you decide that the match should go ahead? 14 00:00:55,973 --> 00:01:00,561 When I checked before the match started, it was snowing continuously. 15 00:01:00,686 --> 00:01:07,234 I came out about 3 times to check whether the pitch was playable. 16 00:01:09,695 --> 00:01:16,452 I mean, the ball had to bounce and not get stuck. 17 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:21,415 But the most important thing was visibility. 18 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:27,004 You had to be able see the goal from the half-way line. 19 00:01:27,129 --> 00:01:30,674 Visibility was acceptable. 20 00:01:34,053 --> 00:01:38,390 The fact that the pitch was covered with a layer of snow... 21 00:01:38,516 --> 00:01:42,770 wasn't normal, but didn't break any of the regulations. 22 00:01:42,895 --> 00:01:46,857 Anyway, the match was being televised, the crowds were there. 23 00:01:46,982 --> 00:01:51,153 If the match hadn't gone ahead? Did you think about that? 24 00:01:51,278 --> 00:01:54,865 It wouldn't have been a problem, I'd just have called it off. 25 00:01:59,078 --> 00:02:03,541 So it was the Army team versus the Police team? 26 00:02:03,666 --> 00:02:07,253 Actually, the Army and the Secret Police. 27 00:02:07,378 --> 00:02:16,303 The Police and the Secret Police were on the same side. 28 00:02:16,428 --> 00:02:19,682 And the Army 29 00:02:20,808 --> 00:02:25,688 They weren't just the Army... 30 00:02:27,648 --> 00:02:31,235 they were also Ceauescu's favourite team. 31 00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:40,411 Weren't you scared about these kinds of matches? 32 00:02:40,536 --> 00:02:42,955 No, there was nothing they could do to me. 33 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,501 If they caught you with anything, they'd use it against you. 34 00:02:47,626 --> 00:02:52,298 And then you weren't a referee, you were their slave. 35 00:02:52,423 --> 00:02:57,261 You had to carry out their orders. 36 00:02:57,386 --> 00:03:04,852 In these kinds of matches, both sides knew what they had to do. 37 00:03:07,146 --> 00:03:10,399 They knew your entire biography. 38 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:14,028 They knew everything there was to know. 39 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:22,953 I refereed more of these matches than anyone else. 40 00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:26,707 Interestingly, the first match between them I refereed, 41 00:03:26,832 --> 00:03:31,754 was after only 6 matches in the First League. 42 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:37,509 They chose me to referee. I was completely unknown. 43 00:03:37,635 --> 00:03:39,762 The teams accepted me. 44 00:03:39,887 --> 00:03:43,057 Steaua and Dinamo knew nothing about me. 45 00:03:43,182 --> 00:03:49,980 After I was chosen, both teams came looking for me, 46 00:03:50,105 --> 00:03:57,613 even though it wasn't professional or correct. 47 00:03:58,781 --> 00:04:06,997 It brings back memories. 48 00:04:07,122 --> 00:04:10,417 First the guys from Steaua came looking for me, 49 00:04:10,542 --> 00:04:14,046 they even came here, 50 00:04:14,171 --> 00:04:18,550 through this Colonel... 51 00:04:20,135 --> 00:04:22,972 Colonel Popescu, who had an important position. 52 00:04:23,097 --> 00:04:25,266 He may have even been Club Manager. 53 00:04:25,391 --> 00:04:29,603 And Dinamo - I was refereeing a Second League match, 54 00:04:29,728 --> 00:04:33,732 a Police commander was waiting for me in Ibot train station. 55 00:04:33,857 --> 00:04:36,860 I arrived on a sleeper train and he was waiting. 56 00:04:36,986 --> 00:04:39,905 He wanted to take me to Commander Bărbulescu, in Bucharest. 57 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:42,908 And did they propose a deal? 58 00:04:43,033 --> 00:04:45,369 Of course, they said they had to win 59 00:04:46,578 --> 00:04:54,962 Then, on Tuesday I arrived at the Football Federation 60 00:04:55,087 --> 00:04:58,465 and I told them that both teams had tried to influence me. 61 00:04:58,590 --> 00:05:02,261 All of a sudden, they told me to speak quietly. 62 00:05:02,386 --> 00:05:06,348 I said there was no need, I was just telling them what had happened. 63 00:05:06,473 --> 00:05:09,435 Anyway, the National Sports Council found out, 64 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:18,610 and both sides started to get worried. 65 00:05:20,029 --> 00:05:21,322 In the end, 66 00:05:22,281 --> 00:05:24,116 I found out later, both teams were saying: 67 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:26,493 "The referee is crazy!" 68 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:29,163 "He told everyone Steaua and Dinamo had come looking for him." 69 00:05:29,288 --> 00:05:31,373 "Leave him alone and let him referee." 70 00:05:31,498 --> 00:05:35,169 It suited me perfectly. 71 00:05:35,294 --> 00:05:39,131 I refereed without any problems at all. That was the first match. 72 00:05:39,256 --> 00:05:44,053 This one on screen was the 3rd or 4th, I can't quite remember. 73 00:05:58,734 --> 00:06:04,698 In moments like this, where did you position yourself? 74 00:06:04,823 --> 00:06:08,369 On the diagonal. On a 'flexible diagonal'. 75 00:06:08,494 --> 00:06:11,663 I mean, you had to be everywhere. 76 00:06:11,789 --> 00:06:20,172 But you had to keep your eyes on the linesman. 77 00:06:21,256 --> 00:06:25,969 And you always have to be where the problems are. 78 00:06:26,095 --> 00:06:29,973 When you blow the whistle, 79 00:06:32,017 --> 00:06:39,900 you have to be nearby, I mean, near where... 80 00:06:41,693 --> 00:06:43,487 the foul occurred. 81 00:06:43,612 --> 00:06:50,702 And it's very important to be present, to ensure fair play. 82 00:06:52,246 --> 00:06:58,460 The pitch they're playing on here is to Steaua's disadvantage, 83 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:04,883 they're a technical, fast team, with better possession. 84 00:07:05,008 --> 00:07:09,221 Dinamo were still developing, they had important players. 85 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,269 Cămătaru in attack, Stelea in goal, 86 00:07:15,394 --> 00:07:17,813 Andone, Rednic in defence 87 00:07:19,064 --> 00:07:21,775 Do you remember... 88 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:27,990 Did it keep snowing after the match? 89 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:32,870 Had I worked in agriculture, like today, then I'd remember, 90 00:07:32,995 --> 00:07:38,250 but I wasn't in agriculture, so I can't remember. 91 00:07:38,375 --> 00:07:41,253 After the match, I left. I got on the train, 92 00:07:41,378 --> 00:07:45,799 it was a five hour journey to get home to Vaslui. 93 00:07:54,808 --> 00:08:03,025 Do you think Steaua were playing for a draw at Dinamo's stadium? 94 00:08:04,109 --> 00:08:06,278 I have no idea. 95 00:08:06,403 --> 00:08:09,865 If I'd started thinking about such things, then... 96 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:13,285 But Steaua were playing away, right? 97 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:17,247 Of course, they were playing away, but it didn't matter 98 00:08:18,248 --> 00:08:23,003 They often played in the National Stadium. 99 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:28,509 I remember that my debut in '85 was there. 100 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:35,432 With 85,000 fans watching. Another Steaua-Dinamo match. 101 00:08:42,105 --> 00:08:44,858 Do you remember their standing in the league? 102 00:08:44,983 --> 00:08:48,070 They had to be in the top 2 positions. 103 00:08:48,195 --> 00:08:50,364 There were lots of 'satellite' teams. 104 00:08:50,489 --> 00:08:56,161 But back then Steaua were already flying high 105 00:08:56,286 --> 00:09:02,042 after winning the Champions League. 106 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,754 If I'm not mistaken, they were playing this match 107 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,465 after another big final 108 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:12,719 This was in '88. In '89 they played AC Milan, no? 109 00:09:12,844 --> 00:09:20,769 I can't remember. But anyway, they were... 110 00:09:22,312 --> 00:09:24,606 They were the top teams. 111 00:09:25,816 --> 00:09:27,609 Look! Dan Petrescu. 112 00:09:30,028 --> 00:09:37,744 I refereed Dan Petrescu a few times when he played for FC Olt. 113 00:09:38,662 --> 00:09:45,252 Steaua borrowed him, along with Ilie Dumitrescu. 114 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:59,141 Back then, I refereed the toughest matches. 115 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:03,979 Especially Steaua playing away. I refereed them at home just once. 116 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:07,441 It was a really controversial match with FC Olt, 117 00:10:07,566 --> 00:10:11,320 when I sent off Lăcătu. 118 00:10:14,531 --> 00:10:22,331 Both Steaua and Dinamo had lots of smaller teams that were 119 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:25,208 subordinate to them. 120 00:10:26,543 --> 00:10:29,713 They'd always beat these teams 2-0. 121 00:10:29,838 --> 00:10:39,056 They only played a few matches with their rival's 'satellite' teams. 122 00:10:39,181 --> 00:10:43,602 Apart from these, only the Steaua-Dinamo matches mattered. 123 00:10:44,478 --> 00:10:51,234 Back then I refereed more of these matches than anyone. 124 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,322 They kept a secret record on every referee 125 00:10:55,447 --> 00:11:01,578 and both teams wanted to have a record on me, too. 126 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:07,751 Dinamo had the secret police and Steaua had their own power... 127 00:11:07,876 --> 00:11:09,336 Look! 128 00:11:10,462 --> 00:11:14,925 ...their own powers. 129 00:11:16,218 --> 00:11:20,430 I was really proud of the fact 130 00:11:20,555 --> 00:11:22,974 that I had nothing to do with either team. 131 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:28,438 Also, it was a period when I went abroad 132 00:11:28,563 --> 00:11:31,108 as an international referee. 133 00:11:31,233 --> 00:11:34,444 At each match, at least 1 or 2 of the 3 referees 134 00:11:34,569 --> 00:11:39,741 was an informer for the Secret Police. 135 00:11:39,866 --> 00:11:44,830 Anyway, these things are past history now. 136 00:11:44,955 --> 00:11:47,749 They're not interesting to anyone. 137 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:51,962 Just like this match isn't really of interest to anyone. 138 00:11:52,087 --> 00:11:54,756 Nobody cares how many Steaua-Dinamo matches there were. 139 00:11:54,881 --> 00:11:59,136 Time passes, things change, it's always moving forwards... 140 00:12:23,869 --> 00:12:24,953 Hagi. 141 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:28,206 How old was Hagi back then? 142 00:12:28,331 --> 00:12:32,961 About 20-21, 143 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:35,380 He left... 144 00:12:36,339 --> 00:12:39,217 He left to play for Real right after the revolution? 145 00:12:39,342 --> 00:12:40,510 In '90, yeah. 146 00:13:11,249 --> 00:13:12,667 Foul. 147 00:13:29,893 --> 00:13:33,939 The pitch was becoming a mudbath. 148 00:13:35,565 --> 00:13:41,279 If it hadn't snowed to cover it, then it would have become... 149 00:13:41,404 --> 00:13:44,950 because it wasn't so cold. 150 00:13:45,075 --> 00:13:48,203 It was snowing... 151 00:13:50,455 --> 00:13:53,959 but it was no more than -1, -2 degrees. 152 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:25,240 I remember seeing this match. I was so scared! 153 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:27,075 - How old were you? - 13. 154 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,827 13 years old. 155 00:14:49,389 --> 00:14:51,516 The guy at the back, was he the photographer? 156 00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:53,643 Yes, the photographer. 157 00:15:01,818 --> 00:15:03,653 - Dangerous tackle? - No. 158 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:08,033 You use the 'advantage' rule a lot. 159 00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:14,748 The role of the referee is to keep the game flowing. 160 00:15:14,873 --> 00:15:21,004 Now, the rules of the game have changed. 161 00:15:22,047 --> 00:15:27,093 The changes were a huge help to the referee, 162 00:15:27,218 --> 00:15:30,722 because you can re-call a decision. 163 00:15:30,847 --> 00:15:33,725 You give them the advantage, and if it doesn't materialize, 164 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:36,186 you can re-call it and give a free kick. 165 00:15:36,311 --> 00:15:40,982 Before, it was risky to make those calls. 166 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:44,611 You let them have the advantage but couldn't re-call it. 167 00:15:44,736 --> 00:15:46,780 Yeah, you couldn't re-call it. 168 00:15:46,905 --> 00:15:52,243 You'd have preferred to stop the match more often. 169 00:15:52,369 --> 00:16:00,585 No. In this kind of game you had to intervene, and use the whistle. 170 00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:03,838 If you just gave the advantage, and let the game flow freely, 171 00:16:03,964 --> 00:16:05,423 it would get out of hand. 172 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:10,470 Only when you're on top of the game, could you allow it... 173 00:16:13,807 --> 00:16:18,561 I refereed in Qatar for 3 months, 174 00:16:18,687 --> 00:16:24,150 and if you didn't blow the whistle, they'd challenge you. 175 00:16:25,902 --> 00:16:29,656 I was with Sándor Puhl. 176 00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:33,660 During one match, 177 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:37,372 a fight broke out when he allowed an advantaged to be played. 178 00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:43,211 Even the spectators started fighting. 179 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:44,337 Why? 180 00:16:44,462 --> 00:16:47,382 If you didn't blow the whistle straight away for a clear foul, 181 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:51,886 and if you let them play on, 182 00:16:52,012 --> 00:16:55,974 then they'd challenge you, and start a fight. 183 00:16:56,099 --> 00:16:58,476 You mean they didn't understand the concept of 'advantage'? 184 00:16:58,601 --> 00:17:05,400 No, they didn't understand that the referee can... 185 00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:10,238 can let the game continue instead of whistling for a foul. 186 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:13,992 They would need to see the guy who committed the foul punished, 187 00:17:14,117 --> 00:17:16,244 and they'd start fighting. 188 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:22,000 The players have started arguing. 189 00:17:24,794 --> 00:17:26,463 Hagi is angry. 190 00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:34,471 - He's shouting at you? - No, they wouldn't dare... 191 00:17:37,223 --> 00:17:41,352 The referee had to command respect through his decisions. 192 00:17:41,478 --> 00:17:44,814 They knew who the referee was. 193 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:51,821 Sometimes it was hard, these players were hard to control. 194 00:18:38,284 --> 00:18:41,871 When did they put a bandage on Cămătaru? 195 00:18:41,996 --> 00:18:43,373 - Who? - Cămătaru. 196 00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:44,958 When did they bandage him? 197 00:18:45,083 --> 00:18:50,505 In the opening minutes, he fouled someone when going for a header. 198 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:54,050 He hit his eyebrow. 199 00:18:54,175 --> 00:18:59,222 And back then you could just leave the pitch? 200 00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:01,141 Perhaps... 201 00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:06,604 Perhaps they didn't show it on the TV. 202 00:19:07,564 --> 00:19:10,316 He couldn't have put the bandage on himself. 203 00:19:10,441 --> 00:19:11,526 You can see him wearing it. 204 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:18,449 Probably the footage they chose didn't include him leaving the pitch. 205 00:19:18,575 --> 00:19:23,580 He couldn't bandage himself, on the pitch. It's obvious. 206 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:31,337 If it were filmed today, they'd have shown him leaving. 207 00:19:31,462 --> 00:19:35,049 Back then they'd rather show the spectators. 208 00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:37,302 Look how he's sliding... 209 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:55,361 I refereed for them plenty of times, but I never liked them. 210 00:19:55,486 --> 00:19:57,447 I still feel the same way. 211 00:19:57,572 --> 00:20:03,661 It brings me great pleasure when the team from Vaslui... 212 00:20:05,788 --> 00:20:08,499 when we beat Steaua or Dinamo. 213 00:20:10,376 --> 00:20:17,258 They were 2 very important clubs. Steaua is still famous. 214 00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:26,142 They had a great record. 215 00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:33,107 It's the team put together by Valentin Ceauescu. 216 00:20:58,716 --> 00:21:00,635 Ando... 217 00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:03,429 Young and happy. 218 00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:23,449 And... 219 00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:28,329 The... 220 00:21:58,735 --> 00:22:01,654 - Foul? - Yeah. Dangerous play. 221 00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:11,622 Someone's arguing again. 222 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:14,083 No. 223 00:22:17,712 --> 00:22:22,550 And all those people coming to the match in this weather... 224 00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:25,178 The Dinamo stadium was full, right? 225 00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:31,476 Steaua had their fans, over by the stadium entrance. 226 00:22:31,601 --> 00:22:34,645 - But the stadium was full? - Yeah. For all these matches. 227 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:40,276 At Steaua's stadium, and Dinamo's stadium, and the National stadium. 228 00:22:43,613 --> 00:22:48,326 They were all real footballers, which Romania no longer has. 229 00:22:48,451 --> 00:22:58,450 See the speed of play? It's fast, despite the bad conditions. 230 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:10,390 You can see these kinds of matches, in the German Championship, 231 00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:14,268 and in lots of other Championships, they play in the snow. 232 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:17,355 Look, you can see they've not played down the left side. 233 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,525 Where they've played a lot it's all turned black. 234 00:23:25,238 --> 00:23:29,826 As I remember, Steaua played down the wings. 235 00:23:29,951 --> 00:23:34,705 Maybe they changed their tactics for this pitch? 236 00:23:34,831 --> 00:23:37,959 They didn't change, they played in a tight group, 237 00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:40,169 they couldn't just open up. 238 00:23:41,796 --> 00:23:47,718 So rather Dinamo played with Cămătaru as the pivot? 239 00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,578 What did it take for you to give a yellow card? 240 00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:16,581 What do you mean? 241 00:24:16,706 --> 00:24:22,670 I mean, when did you give yellows? You weren't that strict. 242 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:26,841 - I'd have given 2 yellows already. - Why? 243 00:24:27,842 --> 00:24:30,303 It would have stalled the game. 244 00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:39,812 Any warning you give needs to be absolutely justified in the rules. 245 00:24:42,231 --> 00:24:44,066 You provoke and annoy the players. 246 00:24:44,192 --> 00:24:47,528 If you give 4 or 5 yellows you irritate them even more. 247 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:51,949 Then when something happens later and you give a second yellow, 248 00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:55,703 you ruin the equilibrium. You can't start playing around. 249 00:24:55,828 --> 00:24:59,540 Any game you're refereeing needs to be balanced. 250 00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:05,087 If you start tinkering and giving out yellows just because you can, 251 00:25:05,213 --> 00:25:12,220 then you make the match difficult and unpleasant for yourself. 252 00:25:23,564 --> 00:25:26,901 I can remember there was a scandal 253 00:25:27,026 --> 00:25:31,239 when you gave Niculescu a yellow, and he made the sign of the cross. 254 00:25:33,115 --> 00:25:36,369 - Yeah, I gave him a yellow. - And it was the second... 255 00:25:36,494 --> 00:25:40,581 No. I gave him one yellow, and he crossed himself. 256 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:46,045 Ostentatiously and making fun of me. 257 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:48,881 And so I automatically gave him a second yellow. 258 00:25:49,006 --> 00:25:54,220 He got sent off, so he could pray in the changing rooms. 259 00:26:09,652 --> 00:26:14,949 Dinamo are better, they're more suited to the pitch, 260 00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:17,868 they're more powerful. 261 00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:20,955 Steaua are more technical... 262 00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:24,000 Look at that. 263 00:26:38,848 --> 00:26:44,645 The rules today wouldn't allow us to play with Cămătaru bleeding. 264 00:26:46,689 --> 00:26:49,358 - Today? - See, that's a foul... 265 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:50,693 But then? 266 00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:53,112 - What? - Then? 267 00:26:54,405 --> 00:26:57,658 - Could he play on? - Yeah, he could play on. 268 00:26:57,783 --> 00:26:59,869 I had to send him to change his bandage. 269 00:26:59,994 --> 00:27:02,413 Which is exactly what happened... 270 00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:08,502 You had a watch with... 271 00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,713 - A stopwatch, right? - Yeah. 272 00:27:10,838 --> 00:27:14,425 And you stopped it for things like this? 273 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:18,971 No. I'm not a basketball referee. 274 00:27:21,474 --> 00:27:23,726 This is wasted time that gets added onto 275 00:27:26,062 --> 00:27:28,314 He pushes with his hand, too. 276 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:49,585 Dinamo are more aggressive. 277 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:53,089 And here, what a slide-tackle... 278 00:27:53,214 --> 00:27:55,466 They played hard, right? 279 00:27:55,591 --> 00:27:58,886 They had this attitude... 280 00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:05,267 These matches were highly charged. 281 00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:15,736 There was an indescribable rivalry between the leaders 282 00:28:15,861 --> 00:28:23,327 of the 2 different systems. The focus of power in Romania, 283 00:28:24,662 --> 00:28:27,164 which these 2 teams represented. 284 00:28:30,584 --> 00:28:32,837 Imagine back then if a referee had... 285 00:28:32,962 --> 00:28:39,093 Lots of them messed up. Not many escaped unscathed. 286 00:28:41,929 --> 00:28:46,892 Their reputations, I mean. But I was fine. 287 00:28:47,017 --> 00:28:50,771 Without false modesty, I never had problems, during matches. 288 00:28:53,107 --> 00:28:55,735 And for you, these were real matches, right? 289 00:28:55,860 --> 00:29:00,197 - What? - They were real matches? 290 00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:07,413 They still are. They're Championship derbies. 291 00:29:07,538 --> 00:29:09,874 Steaua and Dinamo are still the most prestigious teams 292 00:29:09,999 --> 00:29:12,835 that Romania has ever produced. 293 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:19,133 They had power, influence and focussed players. 294 00:29:24,513 --> 00:29:30,186 See where play has been centred? In the centre third... 295 00:29:33,314 --> 00:29:40,863 where Dinamo was attacking and Steaua defending. 296 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:49,288 - They were dominating. - Now you give a yellow card. 297 00:29:50,706 --> 00:29:56,378 Ilie, who fouled once every 3 months, got a yellow. 298 00:30:00,424 --> 00:30:03,677 But until now, he hardly touched the ball. 299 00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:10,309 The strikers hardly touched the ball: Marius Lăcătu, Ilie, Piurcă. 300 00:30:10,434 --> 00:30:12,061 Dinamo played hard. 301 00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:16,440 No, it was an aggressive defence 302 00:30:18,901 --> 00:30:22,488 they had better possession. 303 00:30:22,613 --> 00:30:24,740 - What a side-foot pass! - Yeah... 304 00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:37,795 Dinamo's coach was... 305 00:30:38,879 --> 00:30:41,841 - Foul? - Yes, yes... 306 00:30:41,966 --> 00:30:43,300 Lucescu, 307 00:30:45,636 --> 00:30:47,179 and... 308 00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:51,267 Steaua had Lordănescu. 309 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,065 It may have been Mr Emi, but I think it was Lordănescu. 310 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,458 Look how hard they're playing. 311 00:31:17,751 --> 00:31:18,836 Letting nothing through. 312 00:31:18,961 --> 00:31:22,256 I like it that even the cameraman is confused! 313 00:31:24,091 --> 00:31:28,053 He's anticipating, letting them play the 'advantage'. 314 00:31:28,178 --> 00:31:30,472 They're filming with... 315 00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:38,022 with 2 cameras, I think. 316 00:31:38,147 --> 00:31:40,274 - No, more. - What? 317 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,443 Well, there's this one, another... 318 00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,532 at pitch level... 319 00:31:50,826 --> 00:31:52,536 This one. 320 00:31:52,661 --> 00:31:55,164 This is the 2nd camera, 321 00:31:58,542 --> 00:32:00,377 and the 1st again... 322 00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:28,739 - What's that? - Just a scrum. 323 00:32:30,491 --> 00:32:34,328 They switch to the stands, so they don't show it... 324 00:32:35,371 --> 00:32:36,747 That's the 3rd camera. 325 00:32:36,872 --> 00:32:40,459 The 3rd camera which was specially for this kind of thing. 326 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,419 So that you couldn't see who... 327 00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:47,508 In the socialist era... the communist era, 328 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:50,260 you couldn't show bad sportsmanship. 329 00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:57,226 Really, it's quite funny, the Army against the Police... 330 00:32:57,351 --> 00:33:03,524 It should have been the Communist Party against the bourgeoisie... 331 00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:07,569 It was the Communist Party against the Communist Party. 332 00:33:07,695 --> 00:33:11,615 Weren't the Army and the Secret Police both communists? 333 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:14,451 There were big egos involved, 334 00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:19,540 it all became 335 00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:21,792 Look at that... Boom! 336 00:33:22,876 --> 00:33:24,837 - Did the ball go off? - No. 337 00:33:24,962 --> 00:33:29,591 You see? There is still untrodden snow over there. 338 00:33:29,717 --> 00:33:37,641 There's no need to have devices to monitor the action, 339 00:33:37,766 --> 00:33:40,602 or player possession, because we can see it in the snow. 340 00:34:06,879 --> 00:34:08,964 It's really snowing! 341 00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:23,062 It was that kind of snow you can't really see in these images. 342 00:34:23,187 --> 00:34:27,066 They didn't have the technology they do today 343 00:34:27,191 --> 00:34:30,486 but you can't really complain about the image quality, 344 00:34:30,611 --> 00:34:33,864 because you can see everything, right? 345 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:37,618 It's hard to see the ball, but... 346 00:34:37,743 --> 00:34:41,121 You can see it fine, if you follow it. 347 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:46,835 It's yellow, it's impossible not to see it. 348 00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:06,438 Now Steaua have really started playing. 349 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,195 - Foul. - Yeah. 350 00:35:20,244 --> 00:35:23,205 They were the most aggressive, Mateu and... 351 00:35:25,916 --> 00:35:27,459 Lăcătu. 352 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:40,055 Did you give a yellow? 353 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:41,557 No. For what? 354 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:46,186 For that shoving... 355 00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:48,981 That wasn't shoving, they were huddling together. 356 00:35:49,106 --> 00:35:53,735 You shouldn't give a yellow for just anything... 357 00:35:53,861 --> 00:35:55,904 The referee isn't... How can I put this... 358 00:35:56,029 --> 00:36:00,075 He's not like a teacher or a judge, 359 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:09,585 who gives a yellow card if you raise your voice a little. 360 00:36:41,325 --> 00:36:44,119 The wall is too close. 361 00:36:49,666 --> 00:36:52,753 I don't think they are 9.15 metres away. 362 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:54,296 No... 363 00:36:57,633 --> 00:37:02,262 Yeah, I should have measured, as there aren't any reference points. 364 00:37:02,387 --> 00:37:10,270 There are marks at 5.5 metres and the semicircle at 16 metres. 365 00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:16,276 - There was no mark there. - Because of the snow. 366 00:37:19,279 --> 00:37:22,199 I guess the wall was around 6-7 meters. 367 00:37:39,258 --> 00:37:41,426 A dangerous tackle. 368 00:37:44,263 --> 00:37:47,849 Mateu was small, but he had a big mouth. 369 00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:57,276 - It's almost like a film. - What? 370 00:37:57,401 --> 00:37:59,695 It's almost like a film. 371 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,075 But you couldn't make a film out of this. 372 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,369 - Of this? - Yeah. 373 00:38:07,494 --> 00:38:08,870 Let's see. 374 00:38:14,251 --> 00:38:17,421 Nobody would watch it, it's all in the past. 375 00:38:17,546 --> 00:38:19,840 Better to make a film about how Dobrin played, 376 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,218 or about Dobrin's life, but nobody would watch it either. 377 00:38:24,219 --> 00:38:28,598 If you made a film about Messi in 6 years, 378 00:38:28,724 --> 00:38:32,436 about how Messi played, and how he conquered the world, 379 00:38:32,561 --> 00:38:33,895 still nobody would watch it. 380 00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:36,690 It's like when people talk about Ronhaldino now. 381 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:39,985 I was referee observer in 3 of his matches. 382 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:46,116 Everyone was crazy about him, the crowd roared when he appeared. 383 00:38:47,034 --> 00:38:50,329 Now nobody cares. 384 00:38:51,413 --> 00:38:55,042 Football is like everything else 385 00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:58,211 It's like cinema, and art. 386 00:38:58,337 --> 00:39:04,760 They all have their moment, you consume it and it's over. 387 00:39:04,885 --> 00:39:08,930 This is just a Dinamo-Steaua match played in the snow. 388 00:39:09,056 --> 00:39:12,225 They played thousands of matches in the snow. 389 00:39:12,351 --> 00:39:16,021 More important matches than this one, in the Bundesliga... 390 00:39:16,146 --> 00:39:17,773 - But you weren't refereeing them. - What? 391 00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:20,400 You weren't refereeing them. 392 00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:26,073 What about a Champions League match, Liverpool and Manchester. 393 00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:29,910 It was 3-0 at one point for Manch... No, for Liverpool. 394 00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:33,580 No, Manchester playing a German team, I can't remember which, 395 00:39:33,914 --> 00:39:35,832 Bayern perhaps. 396 00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:41,755 And they won 4-3. 397 00:40:02,317 --> 00:40:04,528 Lupu's a great player, I like him best. 398 00:40:04,653 --> 00:40:06,196 - Who? - Lupu. 399 00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:10,659 He was a player with certain limits. 400 00:40:10,784 --> 00:40:11,827 He's very technical. 401 00:40:20,544 --> 00:40:28,677 If the match had taken place in 1989, you could say it had anticipated the Revolution. 402 00:40:28,802 --> 00:40:33,890 They're fighting tooth and nail, but not like in other matches. 403 00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:38,061 Once, they had to stop play, and Dinamo took the cup home. 404 00:40:38,186 --> 00:40:41,189 You could say that was important. 405 00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:46,778 When? One year earlier? 406 00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:51,908 - In '87. - In '87, yeah. 407 00:40:52,033 --> 00:40:55,412 - The match was never finished. - Yes. The match was never finished. 408 00:40:55,537 --> 00:40:58,540 What happened? Dinamo left the pitch, right? 409 00:40:58,665 --> 00:41:01,418 No. Steaua left because of an offside goal. 410 00:41:01,543 --> 00:41:03,086 Dinamo? 411 00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:04,296 No. 412 00:41:04,421 --> 00:41:05,255 Steaua. 413 00:41:05,380 --> 00:41:09,384 - They scored an offside goal? - They scored an offside goal. 414 00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:13,305 No. Steaua scored a goal, and they didn't allow it. 415 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:15,307 Balint scored the goal. 416 00:41:15,432 --> 00:41:18,643 And the referee didn't allow it. 417 00:41:18,768 --> 00:41:20,479 Linesman George Ionescu called it. 418 00:41:20,604 --> 00:41:23,690 The referee was Radu Petrescu, who died. 419 00:41:30,322 --> 00:41:33,575 The match stopped and Dinamo took the cup. 420 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,161 Moraru took it home. 421 00:41:36,286 --> 00:41:39,956 Then, I don't know how many years after the revolution, 422 00:41:40,081 --> 00:41:42,834 they gave the cup back. 423 00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:52,511 - Why did you give Mihăescu a yellow? - A late tackle. 424 00:41:52,636 --> 00:41:55,597 - But he wasn't the first, right? - No. 425 00:41:58,016 --> 00:42:00,435 You wrote it all in that little notebook. 426 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,687 - It was blue, no? - Yes. 427 00:42:09,152 --> 00:42:14,157 All my kit was in my bag. Your mother always packed it for me. 428 00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:16,701 Everything was in it. 429 00:42:20,747 --> 00:42:23,708 You were in the First League when my brother cut up your... 430 00:42:23,833 --> 00:42:25,710 - What, my shorts? - Yeah. 431 00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:27,045 Yeah. 432 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,965 What match? 433 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:31,591 Jiul versus Steaua. 434 00:42:37,556 --> 00:42:39,432 - Advantage. - Yeah. 435 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:44,271 Ok, that was a mistake, now I see, 436 00:42:44,396 --> 00:42:46,982 I let them play on advantage, they took possession, 437 00:42:47,107 --> 00:42:50,986 but if it had been a more dangerous tackle, then... 438 00:42:52,862 --> 00:42:56,032 Look how well Lupu's protecting the ball. 439 00:42:56,157 --> 00:43:01,538 This pitch was good for him. He was well-built and muscular, 440 00:43:01,663 --> 00:43:04,624 he had powerful legs and 441 00:43:05,875 --> 00:43:07,544 And technical, too... 442 00:43:17,512 --> 00:43:19,931 What's this, an indirect free kick? 443 00:43:20,056 --> 00:43:23,560 A foul, but I shouldn't have given it indirect. 444 00:43:23,685 --> 00:43:25,895 It should have been direct, they made contact. 445 00:43:26,021 --> 00:43:30,108 I gave an indirect because there was an obstruction. 446 00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:34,404 An obstruction doesn't mean contact. 447 00:43:34,529 --> 00:43:38,950 He got in front of him, and they made contact. 448 00:43:42,912 --> 00:43:44,539 He barged him. 449 00:43:46,625 --> 00:43:53,214 It would be hard to score from a direct kick anyway. 450 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:56,593 He'd still have to pass. 451 00:44:21,868 --> 00:44:23,119 Dangerous tackle. 452 00:44:34,422 --> 00:44:37,050 You left him like that, on the ground? 453 00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:05,096 They're asking for a 2nd yellow for Ilie. 454 00:46:45,386 --> 00:46:46,513 Yes? 455 00:46:51,476 --> 00:46:52,769 Hello. 456 00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:57,106 Thanks... 457 00:46:57,232 --> 00:46:58,441 Bye. 458 00:47:12,247 --> 00:47:16,960 Yes, it was generally a good first half... 459 00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:20,171 for Dinamo. 460 00:47:22,465 --> 00:47:24,551 Wow! What a foul. 461 00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:32,767 What's he saying? "I didn't mean to." 462 00:47:37,605 --> 00:47:39,482 Did the players swear at you behind your back? 463 00:47:39,607 --> 00:47:40,358 What? 464 00:47:40,483 --> 00:47:42,235 The players swore at you behind your back? 465 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,488 Who knows. If you hear them, you hear them... 466 00:47:46,823 --> 00:47:49,868 No, they weren't swearing. It was a clear yellow. 467 00:47:49,993 --> 00:47:52,662 Look what images these idiots are showing now. 468 00:47:55,874 --> 00:47:58,376 And so many people... 469 00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:24,652 This was Dinamo's bench. 470 00:48:35,663 --> 00:48:39,584 Look, Flacăra Moreni and ASA Tg. Mure, two satellite teams. 471 00:48:39,709 --> 00:48:42,086 Flacăra Moreni were with Dinamo, 472 00:48:43,254 --> 00:48:44,839 and ASA Tg. Mure... 473 00:48:45,715 --> 00:48:49,427 Tg. Mure were more honest. They beat Steaua once. 474 00:48:49,552 --> 00:48:51,387 I was the referee. 475 00:49:02,148 --> 00:49:07,195 It seems to be snowing harder now. 476 00:49:08,154 --> 00:49:11,824 The snow started coming down harder after the game started. 477 00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:16,621 If this snow had fallen 2 hours before the game, 478 00:49:16,746 --> 00:49:19,958 then we couldn't have played. 479 00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:50,488 Dinamo are now in blue. 480 00:49:52,657 --> 00:49:55,535 Look, Ianul. 481 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:57,370 He died, too. 482 00:49:57,495 --> 00:50:01,624 They should really keep the same colours. 483 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:09,549 They didn't have another white kit. 484 00:50:10,591 --> 00:50:13,136 Nowadays they wouldn't allow this kind of thing. 485 00:50:16,723 --> 00:50:19,058 Yes, Viorel, tell me. 486 00:50:28,067 --> 00:50:30,194 You brought them already? 487 00:50:43,499 --> 00:50:44,625 The cakes? 488 00:51:03,186 --> 00:51:04,979 I'll call you later. 489 00:51:11,444 --> 00:51:15,490 Did they say at half time, "We're changing shirts"? 490 00:51:15,615 --> 00:51:17,867 The rules actually don't allow that kind of thing. 491 00:51:17,992 --> 00:51:21,412 You should keep the strip you're playing in. 492 00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:28,252 It's not allowed now. Back then, you could. 493 00:51:28,377 --> 00:51:32,507 You announced the kit before the game, and you couldn't change it. 494 00:51:32,632 --> 00:51:35,468 The referee checked the kit before the game. 495 00:51:35,593 --> 00:51:38,638 So, you were allowed, then? 496 00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:44,018 The rules said at half-time you could announce the change. 497 00:51:45,645 --> 00:51:49,607 You could change the colour of the shirt. Now you can't. 498 00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,820 It's snowing hard. It's covered. 499 00:51:56,197 --> 00:51:57,782 Real action! 500 00:52:00,910 --> 00:52:03,204 I think that's Lupu... 501 00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:04,872 - No, Cămătaru. - Cămătaru? 502 00:52:10,002 --> 00:52:15,842 The picture quality is from the stone age. 503 00:52:27,353 --> 00:52:29,397 They've brought Dragnea on. 504 00:53:24,577 --> 00:53:26,913 I should have given him a yellow here. 505 00:53:27,038 --> 00:53:28,748 Did I? Let's see. 506 00:53:34,337 --> 00:53:36,005 He already had a yellow. 507 00:53:37,465 --> 00:53:39,592 It was Mihăescu. He already had a yellow. 508 00:53:42,762 --> 00:53:48,059 Yes, Mihăescu did something that deserved a warning. 509 00:53:48,184 --> 00:53:50,102 But he already had a yellow. 510 00:53:50,228 --> 00:53:53,689 To send a player off for throwing the ball down is... 511 00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:57,818 No, I think I made the right decision. 512 00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:05,117 It wasn't worth damaging the flow of play for a stupid gesture. 513 00:54:12,959 --> 00:54:18,297 Back then if you kicked it to the keeper he could pick it up. 514 00:54:18,422 --> 00:54:22,051 The rules of the game have changed, 515 00:54:22,176 --> 00:54:26,430 because you wasted lots of time picking it up. 516 00:54:28,557 --> 00:54:31,102 They changed it all for the spectacle. 517 00:54:49,287 --> 00:54:51,289 What a slide! 518 00:54:58,129 --> 00:55:00,589 Dinamo is still playing more aggressively. 519 00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:10,725 I don't remember, but I think that based on league placement, 520 00:55:11,851 --> 00:55:14,979 Dinamo knew they needed to win. 521 00:55:15,104 --> 00:55:19,775 Steaua are playing aggressively, but without conviction. 522 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,778 But they're a more powerful team. 523 00:55:22,903 --> 00:55:25,865 That's Dragnea. They brought him on. 524 00:56:20,169 --> 00:56:21,545 See how fast he is. 525 00:56:23,255 --> 00:56:23,881 What a cross! 526 00:56:26,342 --> 00:56:28,677 Who did that scissor-kick? 527 00:56:36,477 --> 00:56:37,728 Was it Lupu? 528 00:56:39,563 --> 00:56:40,856 Great execution. 529 00:56:40,981 --> 00:56:43,192 Sabău made the cross. 530 00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:51,867 Sabău set it up, but... 531 00:56:52,993 --> 00:56:56,288 - Sabău was on the right wing? - On the right, he made the cross. 532 00:57:25,818 --> 00:57:32,616 Now, you can't pick it up, you kick it back. It speeds up play. 533 00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:53,262 Dinamo have got better possession. 534 00:57:54,388 --> 00:58:00,102 - They're better during this half. - Dinamo were pretty frustrated. 535 00:58:00,227 --> 00:58:03,606 They'd been playing together for a while, without much success. 536 00:58:03,731 --> 00:58:08,694 Steaua had won everything, and now they were really annoyed. 537 00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:12,656 But they were a good team. Stelea in goal, 538 00:58:12,781 --> 00:58:16,035 Mihăescu right-back, Rednic, Andone... 539 00:58:17,077 --> 00:58:20,080 Who was the left-back, I wonder? 540 00:58:23,626 --> 00:58:26,337 I think it was Varga. Yes. 541 00:58:28,172 --> 00:58:29,590 And Lupescu in the middle. 542 00:58:29,715 --> 00:58:33,135 Perhaps they changed him for Dragnea during half-time. 543 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:36,180 - Mateu... - I just saw Lupescu. 544 00:58:36,305 --> 00:58:39,225 - What? - I just saw Lupescu... 545 00:58:39,350 --> 00:58:40,351 I don't understand. 546 00:58:40,476 --> 00:58:43,521 I saw Lupescu in the second half, he made a pass. 547 00:58:43,646 --> 00:58:49,151 Probably. But Dragnea came on. 548 00:58:55,324 --> 00:58:58,369 Who's this fast guy, Piurcă? 549 00:58:58,494 --> 00:59:01,747 No. Lăcătu I think. 550 00:59:01,872 --> 00:59:05,042 All you can see are black shadows. 551 00:59:25,104 --> 00:59:29,400 Someone's had an accident, trying to attack. Who was it? 552 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:56,051 It'd be great to have snow like that right now, over here. 553 01:01:02,743 --> 01:01:05,204 They forgot to move the camera. 554 01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:18,550 Don't you think it looks like one of my films? 555 01:01:18,676 --> 01:01:19,301 What? 556 01:01:19,426 --> 01:01:22,388 Don't you think this match looks like one of my films? 557 01:01:22,513 --> 01:01:24,348 It's long, and nothing happens. 558 01:01:24,473 --> 01:01:25,849 Yeah, but... 559 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:31,980 And you'd be the main character. 560 01:01:32,106 --> 01:01:34,650 And what would this main character do? 561 01:01:34,775 --> 01:01:37,027 The referee who... No. 562 01:01:37,903 --> 01:01:41,448 And what would the film be about? A match in the snow... 563 01:01:41,573 --> 01:01:45,119 that was almost unplayable, right? 564 01:01:46,495 --> 01:01:49,998 And the referee? I refereed well. 565 01:01:50,124 --> 01:01:54,420 It was a very difficult match, like all the Dinamo-Steaua matches. 566 01:01:56,797 --> 01:01:59,883 I like the snow, it has a certain poetry... 567 01:02:00,008 --> 01:02:02,302 There's no poetry here. 568 01:02:02,428 --> 01:02:05,931 What poetry is there in a football pitch like a farmer's field? 569 01:02:06,056 --> 01:02:09,810 The pitch looks like a farmer's field. 570 01:02:09,935 --> 01:02:12,938 It's all so archaic. 571 01:02:13,063 --> 01:02:14,940 It was 25 years ago. 572 01:02:17,025 --> 01:02:19,069 Yes, but it's not... 573 01:02:19,194 --> 01:02:24,283 Nobody would watch this kind of thing now. 574 01:02:24,408 --> 01:02:28,996 Look at the great TV shows made by Mitran. Have you seen them? 575 01:02:29,121 --> 01:02:35,210 Yeah, that's where I saw 20 minutes of this match. 576 01:02:35,335 --> 01:02:39,173 They showed 20 minutes, they show all kinds of things, 577 01:02:39,298 --> 01:02:43,594 but nobody watches. They have shitty ratings. 578 01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:46,972 They want to drop the show 'Replay'. 579 01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:53,145 There's no audience, even though they show real national matches. 580 01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:56,774 Like Steaua winning the finals. 581 01:02:56,899 --> 01:02:59,109 People live in the present. 582 01:02:59,234 --> 01:03:03,989 Football is not a subject. It's a perishable product. 583 01:03:04,114 --> 01:03:07,367 You have to consume it straight away. Eat it now. 584 01:03:45,614 --> 01:03:47,991 What slide-tackles! 585 01:05:06,361 --> 01:05:08,906 Look how hard they're playing. 586 01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:19,833 Look at that... 587 01:05:19,958 --> 01:05:23,128 That was something. 588 01:05:24,212 --> 01:05:28,634 - What happened? - They had a real chance there. 589 01:05:28,759 --> 01:05:31,345 They're really playing. 590 01:05:33,388 --> 01:05:35,349 They're not managing to score, 591 01:05:36,266 --> 01:05:41,897 but they're aggressive and combative. 592 01:05:42,022 --> 01:05:44,524 They have attitude. 593 01:05:50,238 --> 01:05:52,199 That's great receiving. 594 01:05:57,579 --> 01:06:00,499 I let them have the advantage. 595 01:06:00,624 --> 01:06:05,128 It's a shame we can't rewind it to see it better. 596 01:06:05,253 --> 01:06:11,510 Someone pulled Cămătaru's shirt, but he kept running. 597 01:06:11,635 --> 01:06:14,096 I allowed the advantage, and couldn't change the decision. 598 01:06:14,221 --> 01:06:16,139 Today, I could have re-called it. 599 01:06:16,264 --> 01:06:21,144 - And you would have given... - A free kick, from 20 metres. 600 01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:25,482 I was right. He had the advantage. How could I stop him? 601 01:06:32,072 --> 01:06:34,866 They didn't cheat. Nowadays, I think any striker 602 01:06:34,992 --> 01:06:38,745 falls over if someone touches him, right? 603 01:07:02,144 --> 01:07:05,439 How they're playing! Dinamo are playing really well. 604 01:07:10,902 --> 01:07:19,536 Looking back at the match, Steaua were rated more highly. 605 01:07:20,537 --> 01:07:24,249 They were already wearing a halo from their Champions League matches, 606 01:07:24,374 --> 01:07:28,962 or 'Liga Campionilor' as it was first known. 607 01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:32,340 But seeing the game again, 608 01:07:32,466 --> 01:07:36,928 Dinamo were dominating them from just about every point of view. 609 01:07:37,054 --> 01:07:40,974 Steaua are a technical team, a fast team, a team with... 610 01:07:41,099 --> 01:07:45,979 But the pitch wasn't to their advantage. Dinamo had more power. 611 01:07:46,104 --> 01:07:50,817 But neither of them had many chances to score. 612 01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:55,489 If he'd have managed that scissor kick... 613 01:07:56,615 --> 01:07:58,742 It was hard on this pitch. 614 01:08:39,616 --> 01:08:41,201 But look now... 615 01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:44,371 This was their big chance. 616 01:08:52,254 --> 01:08:55,799 I like it. It's a beautiful match. 617 01:08:57,008 --> 01:09:00,011 There's no beauty in it, 618 01:09:00,137 --> 01:09:02,722 besides the players' tenacity. 619 01:09:02,848 --> 01:09:04,891 But they're technical. 620 01:09:05,016 --> 01:09:10,355 You can see it as they come in on the left wing. 621 01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:12,816 They're dazzling. 622 01:09:57,903 --> 01:10:01,323 Were there times in the game when you got tired? 623 01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:09,122 You had to be physically prepared. 624 01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:13,293 They could get rid of you in a second if you weren't careful. 625 01:10:13,418 --> 01:10:19,966 There were times after long sprints that... 626 01:10:20,091 --> 01:10:24,095 Now I had to run, see? 627 01:10:26,431 --> 01:10:29,100 Keeping tight to the diagonal. 628 01:10:36,274 --> 01:10:38,610 What diagonal do you mean? 629 01:10:38,735 --> 01:10:44,616 The pitch is rectangular, and you go along the diagonal. 630 01:10:45,742 --> 01:10:49,454 So we have this diagonal here, 631 01:10:49,579 --> 01:10:54,793 and you don't run straight down the pitch, you take the diagonal. 632 01:10:55,877 --> 01:11:01,299 And you must always keep the ball to your left. 633 01:11:01,424 --> 01:11:04,344 See how it is now? 634 01:11:04,469 --> 01:11:06,596 The ball is there. 635 01:11:06,721 --> 01:11:11,726 You go towards it, coming from the right, along this long diagonal. 636 01:11:12,727 --> 01:11:16,648 You keep it tight until... See? You get to here. 637 01:11:16,773 --> 01:11:20,235 And now... If they attack, you come back on the left. 638 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,988 If the other side attacks, you go down their left. 639 01:11:23,113 --> 01:11:25,573 You run towards it, coming from the left, 640 01:11:25,699 --> 01:11:30,036 so you can always have it in your field of vision. 641 01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:54,019 He called offside. 642 01:12:53,745 --> 01:12:56,539 The wall was bad again. 643 01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:43,378 - That should be a yellow, no? - No. 644 01:13:44,504 --> 01:13:46,005 But nowadays? 645 01:13:46,881 --> 01:13:48,258 - What? - What about nowadays? 646 01:13:48,383 --> 01:13:50,593 No. Why should you give a yellow? 647 01:13:50,718 --> 01:13:52,971 Because of a tackle from behind. 648 01:13:53,096 --> 01:13:58,810 Do you give a yellow just because the wind blows harder? 649 01:13:58,935 --> 01:14:04,107 Why a yellow? It's foul play, a shove. 650 01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:16,995 - I thought it came from behind. - What? 651 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,665 Today, everything from behind gets a yellow. 652 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:23,168 Not everything... 653 01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:26,129 A foul from behind? 654 01:14:29,424 --> 01:14:32,010 Only if it's a dangerous one. 655 01:14:37,390 --> 01:14:39,309 See how close I was? 656 01:14:48,526 --> 01:14:50,570 I had to be right in there. 657 01:15:54,259 --> 01:15:56,511 Mateu was a good striker. 658 01:15:58,263 --> 01:16:00,431 Yeah, Lupescu is on the pitch. 659 01:16:26,708 --> 01:16:27,875 Răducioiu. 660 01:16:28,793 --> 01:16:31,421 So young! How old was he? 661 01:16:32,463 --> 01:16:34,465 17? Like the number on his shirt? 662 01:16:34,591 --> 01:16:37,302 18-19... 663 01:16:38,303 --> 01:16:40,471 and Gabi Balint. 664 01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:34,984 What does he want? 665 01:17:38,363 --> 01:17:40,698 It's hard to see the line! 666 01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:50,416 Watch this... 667 01:17:58,841 --> 01:18:01,803 Steaua have started to push forward. 668 01:18:57,483 --> 01:18:58,443 Hagi... 669 01:19:04,824 --> 01:19:08,828 I don't notice your interventions in the game anymore. 670 01:19:08,953 --> 01:19:12,248 - What? - You really got into the game. 671 01:19:12,373 --> 01:19:16,127 You set the game through your first interventions, 672 01:19:16,252 --> 01:19:19,130 then you just have to be careful not to make mistakes. 673 01:19:21,382 --> 01:19:24,552 I think you depend too much on advantage play. 674 01:19:24,677 --> 01:19:26,971 It worked, but it was risky. 675 01:20:03,925 --> 01:20:06,135 How fast they're passing. 676 01:20:10,765 --> 01:20:14,143 They're real footballers. Such difficult executions! 677 01:20:14,268 --> 01:20:17,980 And what passes on a pitch like this! 678 01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:28,199 They're the best of the best. 679 01:20:28,324 --> 01:20:29,992 Dangerous play. 680 01:20:38,668 --> 01:20:40,253 Cămătaru and who? 681 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,137 Did he say he was fit to play on? 682 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:52,849 Belodedici. 683 01:22:21,812 --> 01:22:23,272 That's a foul. 684 01:22:38,663 --> 01:22:45,503 In fact, this snow started about 1-1½ hours before the match, 685 01:22:45,628 --> 01:22:48,005 but it wasn't as strong. 686 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:52,093 If it had snowed for 2-3 hours like this, 687 01:22:52,218 --> 01:22:54,220 the pitch would have been unplayable, 688 01:22:54,345 --> 01:22:57,181 the snow would have been too thick. 689 01:22:58,140 --> 01:23:00,142 But it snowed continually, 690 01:23:00,267 --> 01:23:04,605 it didn't stop at all during the 90 minutes. 691 01:23:04,730 --> 01:23:05,982 And after? 692 01:23:07,441 --> 01:23:10,861 I don't know. It might have kept snowing. 693 01:23:10,987 --> 01:23:14,240 It wasn't a hard winter. 694 01:23:34,176 --> 01:23:37,054 Steaua are wasting time now. 695 01:23:39,765 --> 01:23:42,852 Steaua are wasting time. 696 01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,940 I guess they were happy with the score. 697 01:23:51,902 --> 01:23:54,321 But Dinamo were playing at home. 698 01:25:16,987 --> 01:25:20,533 What an advantage! Crossbar. 699 01:25:21,575 --> 01:25:26,163 I let them play the advantage. It's a penalty. 700 01:25:26,288 --> 01:25:31,085 I let him play on - it was just him and the keeper. 701 01:25:32,294 --> 01:25:37,174 It's a foul, the ball goes to Ilie. He shoots and hits the bar. 702 01:25:37,299 --> 01:25:40,511 People talked about this a lot. 703 01:25:41,554 --> 01:25:43,722 I remember it well. 704 01:25:43,848 --> 01:25:49,228 With the new rules I could have re-called it and given a penalty. 705 01:25:49,353 --> 01:25:51,522 The advantage didn't materialize. 706 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:57,862 They played on and he hit the bar. 707 01:25:57,987 --> 01:26:00,573 Interesting I remember this part. 708 01:26:06,287 --> 01:26:09,039 We can't rewind it, no? 709 01:26:09,165 --> 01:26:10,541 No, we can't. 710 01:26:15,462 --> 01:26:17,882 That was a foul on... 711 01:26:18,007 --> 01:26:21,135 I think it was Piurcă, but it was a clear foul in the box. 712 01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:23,179 You let them play on advantage... 713 01:26:23,304 --> 01:26:27,558 He was 6 metres from the goal. What more could he want? 714 01:26:27,683 --> 01:26:31,604 People criticised me after the match. They said I should have given a penalty. 715 01:26:31,729 --> 01:26:36,442 But isn't being 6 metres from the goal better than a penalty? 716 01:26:49,163 --> 01:26:52,833 You let them play advantage the whole match. 717 01:26:52,958 --> 01:26:54,376 No, I... 718 01:26:55,461 --> 01:26:57,630 That's how you played it from the start. 719 01:26:57,755 --> 01:27:00,049 No, it wasn't a mistake. 720 01:27:00,174 --> 01:27:02,801 He was on his own against the keeper, 721 01:27:02,927 --> 01:27:06,555 and hit the bar at 6 metres 722 01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,142 There's a saying: 723 01:27:11,518 --> 01:27:13,854 "You have the best advantage at 11 metres." 724 01:27:16,273 --> 01:27:20,819 But if he'd scored, it would have been a great advantage. 725 01:27:20,945 --> 01:27:24,740 No, it was the correct decision, I've no reason to doubt it. 726 01:27:42,174 --> 01:27:43,884 What kind of criticism was there? 727 01:27:44,009 --> 01:27:46,428 Was it right afterwards, in the changing rooms? 728 01:27:46,553 --> 01:27:51,350 No, it was the journalists. 729 01:27:51,475 --> 01:27:54,770 They commented on the decision. 730 01:27:54,895 --> 01:27:58,232 Because I'd let the whole game flow as it did, 731 01:27:58,357 --> 01:28:01,235 there was no sense to suddenly stop it then. 732 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,779 If I'd have stopped play, and he'd scored, 733 01:28:03,904 --> 01:28:05,614 if the ball hadn't hit the bar, 734 01:28:05,739 --> 01:28:09,368 then wouldn't it have been a mistake to whistle for a penalty? 735 01:28:09,493 --> 01:28:15,958 But he was alone. I signalled that Ilie had possession. 736 01:28:21,547 --> 01:28:26,552 If I were to joke about it, I'd say I couldn't see the penalty spot anyway. 737 01:28:26,677 --> 01:28:29,013 I'd have to measure the distance. 738 01:28:29,138 --> 01:28:30,973 You couldn't see a thing! 739 01:28:31,098 --> 01:28:34,018 Look, where is the 11 metres mark? 740 01:28:34,143 --> 01:28:36,228 Where do you kick from? 741 01:28:39,773 --> 01:28:46,822 If you made a mistake, did you think about it a lot? 742 01:28:46,947 --> 01:28:50,701 No, it's like the dead. If you start thinking about them, you're lost. 743 01:28:50,826 --> 01:28:52,703 No, I mean, after the match. 744 01:28:52,828 --> 01:28:57,833 Of course, after the match I'd analyse everything. 745 01:28:59,626 --> 01:29:03,547 I'd watch it on video at home. I'd analyse the tapes. 746 01:29:03,672 --> 01:29:05,799 I'd re-watch them. 747 01:29:09,386 --> 01:29:11,722 Look, look, what an advantage. 748 01:29:14,683 --> 01:29:15,601 Super! 749 01:29:17,227 --> 01:29:21,273 Look, it's so fluid. 750 01:29:27,237 --> 01:29:28,572 Right? 751 01:29:31,116 --> 01:29:36,455 If I'd stopped the game it would have fragmented. 752 01:29:37,539 --> 01:29:39,375 Better to let them play! 753 01:29:54,223 --> 01:29:57,309 It was a fight to the death. 754 01:29:57,434 --> 01:29:58,477 Foul. 755 01:30:01,772 --> 01:30:05,526 Anyway, it's impossible to referee a match perfectly, right? 756 01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:11,198 Perfectly? 757 01:30:11,323 --> 01:30:20,916 Look, the snow was... the pitch was almost unplayable. 758 01:30:21,041 --> 01:30:23,210 Almost. But you couldn't... 759 01:30:24,586 --> 01:30:27,339 It's important to start a game, 760 01:30:27,464 --> 01:30:29,675 and equally important to finish it. 761 01:30:52,990 --> 01:30:54,533 What a... 762 01:30:55,617 --> 01:30:57,327 What a struggle! 763 01:31:00,914 --> 01:31:02,791 You've started to like it. 764 01:31:02,916 --> 01:31:03,876 What? 765 01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:05,878 I said, you've started to like it. 766 01:31:07,754 --> 01:31:11,675 - The match. - The match? Sure. 767 01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,135 Offside. 768 01:31:28,150 --> 01:31:29,651 How it snowed. 769 01:31:29,776 --> 01:31:32,613 The snowflakes are even bigger now. 770 01:31:57,262 --> 01:32:03,685 What was really hard was getting up close. 771 01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:08,857 You couldn't see the marks. 772 01:32:08,982 --> 01:32:13,320 If something happened on the edge of the penalty area, 773 01:32:13,445 --> 01:32:16,031 then you couldn't see the marks at all. 774 01:32:16,156 --> 01:32:19,785 You had to get close to see the marks. 775 01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:24,998 But from this distance you can't see. 776 01:33:18,635 --> 01:33:21,430 Look, it's Balint... 777 01:34:54,815 --> 01:34:56,566 Look how hard they're playing. 778 01:34:59,486 --> 01:35:01,571 That's it, the whistle's coming. 779 01:35:01,697 --> 01:35:03,323 You see? 780 01:35:05,617 --> 01:35:09,287 No one's cheating, they're not tripping each other. 781 01:35:09,413 --> 01:35:11,039 Look here... 782 01:35:17,546 --> 01:35:19,923 Kamikaze... Look at that... 783 01:35:25,887 --> 01:35:27,139 Foul. 784 01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:30,350 Didn't I call it? 785 01:35:30,475 --> 01:35:32,853 Play on advantage! 786 01:35:43,572 --> 01:35:45,198 Oh, my God... 787 01:35:48,577 --> 01:35:51,413 Look how hard they're playing! 788 01:36:48,678 --> 01:36:53,934 Look at this, straight from one goal to another. 789 01:36:54,059 --> 01:36:57,020 See how the balance can shift? 790 01:36:59,898 --> 01:37:01,691 Look... 791 01:37:49,823 --> 01:37:51,491 I think I blow the whistle now. 792 01:37:52,868 --> 01:37:54,744 Yeah. 793 01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:57,622 Bravo, old man. You refereed well. 58292

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