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The emotions that it brings
when I look back,
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[Dianne] I did think thatI was going to die.
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But fear didn't overtake me.
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But I didn't know
who he was at the time.
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I didn't even know
he was a serial killer.
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I believe I survived because
God needed to use someone
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to just bring justice
for their loved ones.
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[intro music starts]
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♪ Like a whisper in a hollow ♪
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♪ Tears fall downwhile they pray for tomorrow ♪
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♪ Nobody knows Nobody sees ♪
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♪ Search back the roadsand cold city streets ♪
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♪ There's evil in the dark ♪
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♪ Blood on their handsAnd the devil in their heart ♪
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We start this half hour
with a story
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that is gripping families
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in the state of Louisiana
this morning.
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[Male reporter] It hashappened again.
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The body of a woman
has been found in Whiskey Bay.
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[Claire] There was a body,and then another body,
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and another body,
and it was all women.
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Oh my God,
we have a serial killer.
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[Male reporter] Police aresearching for a killer
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preying on women here.
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I couldn't even imagine
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what type of person
would do this.
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[Female reporter] More addition
to the list
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of confirmed
serial killer victims here.
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[Dana] 16 postmortem stabs.
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Just on, and on, and on, and on.
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The murdered actually cut off
limbs of these victims.
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A ritualistic-type killing.
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Remain calm, I know there is
a lot of fear in this city
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and I feel it.
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Every time you turn on the news,
another girl has disappeared.
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That put the body count
of connected murders at five.
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This is serial killer number two
at work.
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I think that the fear
in Baton Rouge
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was starting to get
at a tipping point.
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[Prem] I think we allgo back in time,
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you think of Jack the Ripper,
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you think of Ted Bundy,
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you think of the Zodiac Killer.
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But they are so far removed
from us that,
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all of a sudden,
here in Baton Rouge...
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It's like, we had this here.
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Another murder has now
been linked to a serial killer.
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[Male reporter] Sheriff'sdetective said they found
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a nude body
of a 43-year-old woman.
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It was incredible
to even contemplate,
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but could there be
a third serial killer?
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[dramatic music stops]
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[introspective music]
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[Claire] This area has alwaysbeen home to me.
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It's just a big,
university town.
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Big political town,
it's the capital.
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It's a fun place,
it's got really nice people,
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and I enjoy living here,
so it's home.
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It doesn't look like a place
where murders happen, does it?
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When I was here,
you walked in numbers.
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You didn't jog alone,
you carried pepper spray...
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I had a pepper spray
on my keychain for years!
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I mean, everyone runs the lake.
It's always full of people.
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I mean, it is just
the perfect hunting ground
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for a serial killer.
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[introspective music stops]
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[mysterious music]
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[Dana] In the late 1990'sand early 2000's,
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several women from
all different parts of life
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were being killed
in Baton Rouge.
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I think that
the tension escalated
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when there were women
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that were taken from their homes
and killed.
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[tense music]
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Neighbors didn't know
what happened other than
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son was wandering around
in the front yard
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looking for his mom.
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[David] Randi Mebruer's son wasabout three or four years old.
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He had walked next door
to the neighbor's
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and asked if he could
come over to play.
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She said, "Well, let's go
ask your momma."
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He said, "My momma's not there."
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They checked on her
and she was just gone.
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There was just no sign of her
in the house.
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[David] As I arrivedon the scene,
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I saw pink garbage bags on
the ground in front of the door
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As I walked into the residence,
we say dry marks on the carpet
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where there appeared to be
a body dragged across the carpe
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from the bedroom area.
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We also noticed
on the child's door...
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Blood droplets on his door.
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It appears that the attacker
had looked in on the child
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while he was asleep.
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We found her contact lens
in the blood,
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on the carpet
in the living room area.
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The attack was very violent.
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Blunt force trauma
was committed to her body,
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and it knocked
her contact lens out.
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[Pat] Ms. Mebruer's keyswere missing from the house,
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but her car was there,
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which gives you some pause
as to why that happened.
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Many times something's missing
from a home,
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it certainly
draws attention to that.
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[tense music]
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[David] Randi Mebruerand Connie Warner
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lived a block away
from each other.
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If you looked out
Connie Warner's front door
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and looked over the roof
of the house in front of that,
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you could see
Randi Mebruer's house.
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[music intensifies]
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We were called there
because Connie was missing
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and there appeared to be
a struggle.
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We noticed different things
turned over in the living room.
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We saw where there was struggle
in the bedroom area.
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Different things
were thrown around
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inside the bedroom.
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As we did process
the crime scene and the car,
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we noticed that the car keys
were missing from her vehicle.
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We found, body fluids, blood,
in the backseat of the car,
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but also evidence
on top of the trunk of the car.
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We thought maybe
the attacker took her car
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to remove her body
from the area,
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[keys dangling]
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[car starts]
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brought the car back
and left it at the house.
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[gate closes]
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The biggest problem that
happened to this investigation
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was that we had a hurricane
come through, Hurricane Andrew.
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[raining and wind whooshing]
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In his rampages
across Louisiana,
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Andrew has left
at least 20 people dead.
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So the case was kinda halted.
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[music stops]
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[introspective music]
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When she was found weeks later
by the state capital area,
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her body was decomposed
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to the point where we could not
find any evidence.
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You know,
being a smaller agency,
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we did not have
that many homicides in Zachary.
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Our case went cold,
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but I felt like the cases
were connected.
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[tense music]
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There's no doubt in my mind
at the time
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that the same attacker
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had abducted Connie Warner
away from her house,
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used her vehicle, uh...
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Same attacker abducted
Randi Mebruer from her house
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and used her vehicle
to transfer her body also.
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We talked to many witnesses
involved,
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including
Randi Mebruer's family.
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Randi had an ex-husband
she was divorced from.
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We interviewed him, and...
You know, he was a suspect.
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But what bothered us was
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why would he leave
his child there?
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You can see blood droplets
on the child's door.
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It just didn't feel
like he was the...
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The prime suspect in the case.
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According to me.
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Unfortunately, Randi's body
was never found,
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and she was never
heard from again.
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Not in our wildest dreams
did we think
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we might be faced with
a serial killer at this point
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who would continue to kill
until we stopped him.
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[dramatic music]
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We would caution the public
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not to let anyone
into your house
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unless you know who they are.
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I'm thinking, "Is this
somebody they knew?
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Is this somebody
in the neighborhood?"
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Her murder was just
incredibly brutal.
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I'ma be honest,
nobody wants to think
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that you may have a serial
investigation taking place
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until it's proven.
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Because never know.
Am I gonna be next?
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[Reporter] They found DNAthat ties to one individual.
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[Pat] Lightbulb goes offin your head.
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It was like coming out
of a dream, just waking up,
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and seeing that there were
a series of very vicious deaths.
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We've changed the whole
complexion of our case.
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We now know we have
a serial killer.
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[tense music fades out]
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August the 23, 1992,
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Connie Warner was abducted
from her house.
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Her body was found
in Baton Rouge,
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during Hurricane Andrew.
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In '98, we had another murder
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right around the corner
from Connie Warner's house,
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the victim was Randi Mebruer.
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In '97, we began
receiving complaints
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in the area of Oak Shadows,
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which is where Connie Warner
and Randi Mebruer lived,
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about a peeping tom.
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The individual was later
identified as Derrick Todd Lee.
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Derrick Todd Lee was known
around Zachary
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and maybe
the St. Francisville area.
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He had been a Peeping Tom.
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He had been arrested for that.
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And I think he'd been suspected
of several other crimes.
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He was definitely on
law enforcement radar.
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[David] Derrick Todd Lee,in his childhood,
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he had some violent tendencies
and did some...
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Committed some crimes back the,
including burglary.
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Based off what I've seen in '92
with Connie Warner,
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a peeping tom in '97,
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and then again,
Randi Mebruer's case in '98,
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Derrick Todd Lee was definitely
a suspect.
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We didn't have a search warrant,
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but he allowed us in the house
to look around.
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I'll never forget that night.
I was in the bedroom.
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One side of the closet was very
neat, folded clothes
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the other side of the closet
was disarrayed.
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While I was searching
his closet,
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the hair on the back of my neck
stood up.
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I turned around, he was
right there, on top of me,
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I had to kind of push him back,
get him off of me.
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He became agitated and asked us
to leave the house.
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Obviously, I was close
to something in that closet
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that he didn't want me to see.
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[music intensifies, then fades]
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[Dana] They just didn't haveany witnesses,
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they didn't have any leads.
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But at that point in time,
DNA was just in its infancy.
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So there wasn't a lot of testing
going on in Baton Rouge,
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and there was not
the CODIS database.
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And that was really before DNA
was...
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Was a tool that was used
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in law enforcement
in Baton Rouge.
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[David] No physical evidenceat the scene.
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Not really understanding DNA
back then, in 1998,
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we just really couldn't come up
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with a whole lot of evidence
at the time.
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[Prem] At this point,this case can't be solved.
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It becomes what is known
as a cold case.
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[tense music]
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[Max] January of '99,
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we receive a call that
a body had been discovered
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in a remote area of Baton Rouge.
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I go to the scene,
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and there's the nude body
of a black female
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under a dead end sign.
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On the first look,
it was apparent
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that the body had been posed
in a manner to draw attention.
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There was just something about
the position of her body,
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particularly when she was naked.
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And you see the human body,
the human outline,
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so much better than
if she'd been fully dressed,
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but it was if she was floating,
as if she was a ballerina,
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the way her arms were placed,
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the way that the legs
were placed.
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[Bryan] The most striking thingwas the cuttings
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on and about her body.
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It was almost as if
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someone had tried to perform
their own autopsy on her.
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She was significantly cut,
like a deep cut,
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from almost her hip,
down her leg,
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almost to her ankle,
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where you could actually
see the bone in her leg.
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[Prem] 16 postmortem stabs.That-That's a lot.
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That's, like,
somebody overkilled.
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Just on, and on, and on, and on.
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Obviously, you had
a sick individual
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that had committed
this homicide.
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[Bryan] The fingerprints takenfrom the victim,
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they were matched
to Katherine Hall.
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Katherine Hall had
a criminal record.
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[Prem] She was, in fact,a person who had addictions,
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who had prostitution arrests.
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So, you have, basically,
a woman who is vulnerable
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who is chosen
because of that vulnerability.
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The person targeting
very clearly is, to me,
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like an animal stalking prey.
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Animals pick the weakest
of the lot
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to go after and kill.
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In the mind of the killer,
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these are people
of lesser values,
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But they are still
someone's mother,
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someone's daughter,
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they are someone's loved one.
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[Bryan] In addition tothe significant cuttings
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on and about her legs and body,
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what we found very disturbing is
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her killer had also cut off
one of her eyelids.
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It's like, "What are you doing
with this?
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Are you taking this?
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Are you taking this
as a souvenir?"
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[dramatic music intensifies]
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In Katherine's mouth was
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what appeared to be
a pubic hair.
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With a root on it.
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The difference between just
finding a hair without a root
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and a hair with a root is that,
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if a hair has a root,
it has DNA in it.
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When the testing was done,
it was found that
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that root had produced
a DNA sample
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that could be matched
to somebody.
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But there was nobody
in the system to compare it to.
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The other thing that was
very unusual was the fact that
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there are some very strange
ligature marks on her neck.
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And a ligature can be
a piece of cloth,
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it can be a piece of cord,
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But it could also be a zip-tie.
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Her neck appeared to have
a tie like that.
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[introspective music]
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[Bryan] Several days later,
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a citizen found some items
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that had been dumped
on River Road.
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From where she was found,
it's a good 15 to 20 miles.
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That was later determined to be
the victim's jacket, ID,
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and there was also a zip-tie
that was cut.
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A zip-tie sufficiently large
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to be placed around
a person's neck.
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[Bryan] We followed up onevery possible lead we could,
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but because of
her high-risk lifestyle,
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you really don't find a lot of
people willing to talk about it.
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This is a person whose joy
is in the killing
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and the mutilation.
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This is a totally different
animal.
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What a forensic profiler
would call
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a ritualistic-type killing.
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[music ends]
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[Dana] In 1999,
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there was
an anonymous phone call
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made from a payphone.
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[Christopher] The caller saidher name was Florida Douglas,
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which is her maiden name.
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Which told me that he knew
the victim, he knew her well.
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[dial tone]
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[music fades out]
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[introspective music]
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In the state of Louisiana,
a parish is a county,
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and each parish
has several cities,
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and each city
has a police department.
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Each parish or county would hav
a Sheriff's Department.
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[Bryan] At the time,
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we're all working
our own homicides,
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but a lot of the dots
aren't being connected
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because of jurisdictional line.
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There wasn't a lot of
communication between parishes,
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so if a murder happened here
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and a murder happened
in Lafayette,
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law enforcement officers
weren't working together
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in order to solve those murders.
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[dramatic music stops]
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[moody piano music]
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[line ringing]
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[Dana] In 1999,
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there was
an anonymous phone call
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made from a pay phone.
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[line continues ringing]
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[dial tone]
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[police sirens]
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[Christopher] The callerthat made the 911 call said
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there was a dead body
in the old Dynasty Club
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that was vacant at the time.
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They had shrubbery growing
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and greenery growing
inside the building.
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There was lots and lots
of trash.
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It obviously had been a place
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that probably drug users
had frequented.
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She was found, she was nude,
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and she was on her back,
and she draped over a box.
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[Christopher] It appearedas someone may have
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sat on top of her body
and strangled her.
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The killer placed her body
on top of that box
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so investigators would have
a shock effect
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once we see the body.
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We were able
to get DNA from that scene
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in the form of bodily fluids
we think was semen on her leg.
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We fingerprinted the victim
at the crime scene.
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We eventually identify her
as being Florida Edwards,
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even though the caller said
her name was Florida Douglas,
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which is her maiden name.
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Which told me that he knew
the victim, he knew her well.
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[Dana] At that point in time,there were no eyewitnesses.
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Obviously somebody made
a phone call,
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but nobody knew who that was.
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[Christopher] The handsetthat the caller made
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from this pay phone
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has tissue of napkin
wrapped around the handset,
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which meant that he did not want
to leave his fingerprints.
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[Dana] There was justa long list of women
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that were murdered
in Baton Rouge.
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Women from all different
parts of life.
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There were women
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that were taken from their home
and killed,
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and then, also,
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there were people that
had high-risk lifestyles
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that were killed.
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[Prem] All of a sudden,
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there are a lot of killing
of women of the street.
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[Christopher] Two neighborsin the area of North Acadian
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smelled a foul smell
coming from a house nearby.
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They contact
the police department.
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When I walked inside that house
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it was vacant,
it was a lot of trash inside.
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Once we got
to the back of the residence,
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we discovered
the dead body of a female.
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[tense music]
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The female body was in advanced
stage of decomposition,
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you can tell by the infestation
of insects on her body.
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And you could tell that
she had injury to her head.
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She was leaning
against the wall,
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her legs were spread apart.
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[Dana] There was a Bud Light canalong with all the other trash.
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That Bud Light can,
and several others,
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were fingerprinted,
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and there was a fingerprint
lifted from that
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that was kept
at the state police crime lab.
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[Christopher] Fingerprints fromthe body in the house
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was matched to Sylvia Cobb,
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who was reported missing
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days prior to discovering
her body.
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She was described
by her family members
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to have been
somewhat down on her luck.
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And was found to be in areas
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where there was
high-risk behavior.
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Both Florida Edwards
and Sylvia Cobb
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frequented places
that were high risk.
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They were at least
in the neighborhoods
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where drugs were being used
and prostitution was prevalent.
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I think that law enforcement
was concerned that,
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because there were similarities
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they were both posed,
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both found in areas
that were frequented
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by drug users and prostitutes,
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that these victims may have been
murdered by the same person.
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[tense music ends]
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[introspective music]
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[Christopher] Whileinvestigating the crimes
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in north Baton Rouge,
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at the same time, we had
another murder took place
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near LSU area,
on Stanford Avenue.
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Gina Wilson Green lived
on Stanford Avenue,
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which is a very well-traveled
road in Baton Rouge,
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about four blocks from LSU.
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Gina was a nurse,
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and she just didn't show up
for work one day,
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and one of her colleagues
tried to get in touch with her
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and couldn't do so.
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So he went out to her house
to do a welfare check,
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and found her dead in her bed.
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We got to the residence
and the backdoor was unlocked.
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But once we got in,
we can see the rug
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that led from the backdoor
to the bedroom
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was sort of shift to the right
a little bit.
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Which tells us that, possibly,
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a struggle took place
near the doorway.
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[mysterious music]
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You can see Gina Green laid
in her bed.
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A small amount of blood
near her body.
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You can see some kind of
ligature marks around her neck.
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It's obvious
that she was strangled.
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When they worked
the crime scene in the house,
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they recovered a blouse
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that they believed
that she was wearing
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at the time of the attack.
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[Christopher] We realizedshe had things missing
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from her residence.
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Her purse,
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she had her cell phone
missing...
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I think the killer that took
the property and evidence
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from Gina Green house,
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his intention probably was
to throw us off track.
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We got help from
a local phone company
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to track Gina Green's cellphone
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[Dana] They pinged itout off Choctaw,
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this is kind of a northern part
of Baton Rouge,
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kind of deserted, kind of like
a warehouse district.
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[Christopher] Along withher cellphone,
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we collected evidence
of her mail,
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as well as her purse
and denim shorts.
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And what's valuable about that
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is that we's able
to get trace evidence
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from those items
that was collected.
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[Dana] There wasn't muchof a DNA database
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across the country,
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and certainly not
in Baton Rouge.
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So they had the genetic identity
of the murderer,
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but they couldn't
do much with 'em,
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because there wasn't
a large database
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to draw information from.
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We looked at any friends
or co-workers
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anyone who knew Gina Green.
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[Pat] Gina Green wasa registered nurse.
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Was there some connection
between her murder
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and her work in some way?
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But it was also a forced entry,
a home invasion,
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where they went in, secured her
as fast as they could,
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and then, ended up
raping and killing her.
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[Prem] This is a personcoming into your home,
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knowing your schedule,
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raping you,
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not leaving.
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But then, viciously,
making you fight for your life.
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And we don't know who it is.
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[music builds up, then stops]
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[dramatic music]
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[Reporter] So with the cityhanging by a thread
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in this summer of scare,
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you have to wonder
what's tugging at that thread.
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[Pat] The locationof Gina Greene's home
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was adjacent to LSU.
504
00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:45,299
There's probably 20,000 females
on the campus of LSU,
505
00:26:45,332 --> 00:26:49,103
so it sent ripples
into that community.
506
00:26:49,136 --> 00:26:51,271
The ladies that lived
down the street
507
00:26:51,305 --> 00:26:52,606
can relate to that,
508
00:26:52,639 --> 00:26:55,242
and they're in total fear
at that point.
509
00:26:55,843 --> 00:26:57,153
[Woman] Everyone needsto be aware
510
00:26:57,177 --> 00:27:00,614
that something like this could
happen in their neighborhood.
511
00:27:00,647 --> 00:27:04,051
[introspective music]
512
00:27:08,922 --> 00:27:10,891
[Christopher] May 31, 2002,
513
00:27:10,924 --> 00:27:14,795
we was called to
a townhome complex near LSU.
514
00:27:14,828 --> 00:27:16,463
The victim was discovered
in a residence,
515
00:27:16,497 --> 00:27:17,698
stabbed to death.
516
00:27:18,832 --> 00:27:22,736
Charlotte Murray Pace
is just graduating from LSU.
517
00:27:23,203 --> 00:27:26,306
She is one of
the youngest students at LSU
518
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:27,708
to ever get her MBA.
519
00:27:28,776 --> 00:27:32,079
Her roommate goes
to their apartment
520
00:27:32,112 --> 00:27:35,749
and finds a horribly bloody
crime scene.
521
00:27:36,383 --> 00:27:40,788
Murray's body in her bedroom,
lying nude on the floor,
522
00:27:41,055 --> 00:27:44,124
where she had been
stabbed 81 times.
523
00:27:44,158 --> 00:27:45,526
[police sirens]
524
00:27:46,527 --> 00:27:48,796
The crime scene
was disorganized,
525
00:27:49,229 --> 00:27:52,232
there was blood evidence
throughout the townhome.
526
00:27:53,233 --> 00:27:54,868
From the hallway to the bedroom
527
00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:59,506
We saw that,
in the living room, on a sofa,
528
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:01,642
there was a half-eaten sandwich
529
00:28:04,211 --> 00:28:06,847
[Dana] She had, you know,like, a sandwich and grapes.
530
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,017
And so, she was obviously...
Her lunch was interrupted.
531
00:28:11,151 --> 00:28:13,220
[Christopher] From there,was a bedroom
532
00:28:13,253 --> 00:28:16,123
where Charlotte Murray Pace
was discovered.
533
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:21,528
She had multiple stab wounds,
534
00:28:21,562 --> 00:28:22,830
she's laying on her back,
535
00:28:22,863 --> 00:28:27,034
and her neck had a very,
very large hole in it.
536
00:28:28,102 --> 00:28:30,838
[Pat] Murray wasin pretty good shape,
537
00:28:30,871 --> 00:28:32,539
she was fairly strong,
538
00:28:32,573 --> 00:28:36,243
and it appeared
that she fought her offender
539
00:28:36,276 --> 00:28:37,745
to the death, literally.
540
00:28:38,812 --> 00:28:41,248
He could not gain control of hr
541
00:28:41,281 --> 00:28:44,952
during this whole ordeal
that she went through hell on.
542
00:28:45,819 --> 00:28:48,288
[Dana] Again, there wereno witnesses.
543
00:28:48,722 --> 00:28:51,492
There was no information
at that point
544
00:28:51,525 --> 00:28:55,262
about who would kill
Murray Pace.
545
00:28:57,064 --> 00:28:59,900
Who was just
a brilliant, young person
546
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,635
that was just beginning
her life.
547
00:29:05,005 --> 00:29:07,274
[dramatic music builds up]
548
00:29:07,307 --> 00:29:11,412
I was home from work
and I'd started fixing supper
549
00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:16,283
when I got a phone call
from a close friend of Murray's.
550
00:29:16,316 --> 00:29:18,018
[phone rings in the distance]
551
00:29:18,052 --> 00:29:20,621
And she told me
what had happened
552
00:29:20,654 --> 00:29:23,891
and we thought
she must have been mistaken.
553
00:29:23,924 --> 00:29:26,694
'Cause, you know, you just
don't think that can happen.
554
00:29:27,261 --> 00:29:31,265
It's not something
you ever imagine.
555
00:29:34,501 --> 00:29:37,013
It's like falling down
a rabbit hole
556
00:29:37,037 --> 00:29:39,640
that the door shuts behind you,
557
00:29:41,041 --> 00:29:46,380
and you find yourself in a world
that's completely unfamiliar,
558
00:29:46,914 --> 00:29:49,783
with lots of dark corners
and sharp edges,
559
00:29:49,817 --> 00:29:52,453
and you never
really leave it again.
560
00:29:52,953 --> 00:29:55,222
It's always with you after that,
561
00:29:55,856 --> 00:29:58,625
that moment
that changes the world.
562
00:30:01,295 --> 00:30:04,665
[sentimental music]
563
00:30:07,634 --> 00:30:11,138
Murray grew up
in Jackson, Mississippi.
564
00:30:12,072 --> 00:30:15,676
She finished high school
when she was 16
565
00:30:17,111 --> 00:30:20,147
and a four-year college
when she was 20,
566
00:30:20,180 --> 00:30:23,417
and had completed her MBA
when she was 22.
567
00:30:25,386 --> 00:30:27,521
She was funny,
568
00:30:27,554 --> 00:30:30,324
she just had a wonderful
sense of humor.
569
00:30:31,291 --> 00:30:34,628
But I think
her greatest attribute
570
00:30:34,662 --> 00:30:38,298
was her ability
to connect with people.
571
00:30:39,533 --> 00:30:41,201
That was her super power.
572
00:30:41,568 --> 00:30:45,172
She was as a good a friend
as you'd ever hope to have.
573
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:52,279
[tense music]
574
00:30:53,213 --> 00:30:55,949
And I finally went
to Baton Rouge
575
00:30:56,417 --> 00:30:58,318
and met with the coroner,
576
00:30:59,186 --> 00:31:01,388
and made him tell me every
single thing
577
00:31:01,422 --> 00:31:02,623
that happened to her,
578
00:31:03,657 --> 00:31:05,726
[sobbing] 'cause I felt
like I had to know it.
579
00:31:09,063 --> 00:31:13,400
And he showed us on a mannequin
all the stab wounds
580
00:31:14,735 --> 00:31:16,337
he showed us everything
581
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:18,872
until we just couldn't
look at it anymore.
582
00:31:20,974 --> 00:31:23,410
I became a prosecutor
583
00:31:23,444 --> 00:31:28,058
because I felt that victims
deserve to have justice.
584
00:31:28,082 --> 00:31:31,785
But the sadness of it
is a little hard sometimes.
585
00:31:31,819 --> 00:31:33,754
These families members,
you know,
586
00:31:33,787 --> 00:31:36,090
you hear the term closure...
587
00:31:36,123 --> 00:31:38,692
That's just...
That doesn't exist.
588
00:31:38,726 --> 00:31:40,594
The rest of their lives,
589
00:31:40,627 --> 00:31:45,099
they will live with the loss
that they've experienced,
590
00:31:45,132 --> 00:31:48,602
they will wonder how much
their loved one hurt
591
00:31:48,635 --> 00:31:49,903
when they were killed,
592
00:31:49,937 --> 00:31:53,307
and they will never, ever
leave it behind.
593
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:56,777
It-they just don't recover.
Not completely. Ever.
594
00:31:58,479 --> 00:32:02,783
[introspective music]
595
00:32:04,151 --> 00:32:05,295
[Christopher] As a detective,
596
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,087
you want to solve
all your cases.
597
00:32:07,654 --> 00:32:08,798
And so, you're constantly
thinking
598
00:32:08,822 --> 00:32:10,791
about things you've done,
599
00:32:10,824 --> 00:32:13,527
things that you should've done,
600
00:32:13,927 --> 00:32:16,397
second guessing yourself,
to say,
601
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:18,265
"Did I look
at all the evidence?"
602
00:32:18,298 --> 00:32:20,100
You really want
to solve all the cases,
603
00:32:20,134 --> 00:32:22,302
not only for the victims,
604
00:32:22,336 --> 00:32:27,107
but the victims families,
as well as the, uh, community.
605
00:32:27,141 --> 00:32:28,709
You got more at stake,
606
00:32:28,742 --> 00:32:31,311
because that serial killer
is not gonna stop his activitie
607
00:32:31,879 --> 00:32:33,647
until he's apprehended.
608
00:32:33,681 --> 00:32:35,516
It's a race against the clock.
609
00:32:37,217 --> 00:32:39,787
[tense music]
610
00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:46,226
[Pat] Duringour background check,
611
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:49,096
we learn that Charlotte
Murray Pace once lived
612
00:32:49,129 --> 00:32:52,599
three houses down
from Gina Green.
613
00:32:55,235 --> 00:32:59,139
Murray lived in a house
with other girls
614
00:32:59,173 --> 00:33:03,410
who were in graduate school
on Stanford Avenue.
615
00:33:04,044 --> 00:33:07,147
This was way too coincidental
in our books.
616
00:33:07,181 --> 00:33:10,284
I mean it just sent a shockwave
through all of us.
617
00:33:14,121 --> 00:33:15,956
It stands to reason
618
00:33:16,056 --> 00:33:19,960
that the killer
was Charlotte Murray Pace
619
00:33:20,527 --> 00:33:22,830
when he was stalking Gina Green
620
00:33:23,897 --> 00:33:26,300
And after he killed Gina,
621
00:33:26,567 --> 00:33:28,669
and Murray moved,
622
00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:31,872
he followed her and stalked he.
623
00:33:33,407 --> 00:33:36,076
He stalked,
he stalked in the way
624
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:38,412
the ritualistic killer stalked.
625
00:33:38,445 --> 00:33:42,058
That is a part of the psycholog
of these killers,
626
00:33:42,082 --> 00:33:45,486
they are like huntsman
with prey.
627
00:33:50,991 --> 00:33:52,326
[Dana] At this point in time,
628
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,395
there's still had not been
a connection made.
629
00:33:54,428 --> 00:33:57,998
The murder of Gina Green and
Murray
630
00:33:58,098 --> 00:34:00,367
were different enough that,
631
00:34:00,401 --> 00:34:02,736
you know,
Murray's stabbed brutally,
632
00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:04,905
and her throat
was slashed as well,
633
00:34:04,938 --> 00:34:07,307
and Gina Green was strangled.
634
00:34:08,242 --> 00:34:10,377
They weren't close enough
that everybody said,
635
00:34:10,411 --> 00:34:14,081
"Oh, definitely,
must've been the same person"
636
00:34:15,082 --> 00:34:17,818
[dramatic music]
637
00:34:18,152 --> 00:34:21,588
In July of 2002,
two of the DNA analysts
638
00:34:21,622 --> 00:34:24,391
just happened to be hanging out
in the breakroom
639
00:34:24,625 --> 00:34:26,760
and talking about their cases.
640
00:34:27,261 --> 00:34:31,198
They decided, not pursuant
to law enforcement requests,
641
00:34:31,231 --> 00:34:34,044
but they decided
to just kinda compare
642
00:34:34,068 --> 00:34:36,970
their profiles that
they received from their DNA,
643
00:34:37,071 --> 00:34:39,139
because Murray's body had
644
00:34:39,173 --> 00:34:42,609
a complete profile
of her attacker.
645
00:34:43,444 --> 00:34:47,414
So they have this conversation,
and they compare the profiles,
646
00:34:47,448 --> 00:34:48,982
and oh my gosh,
647
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:52,219
the profiles
were an exact match.
648
00:34:52,753 --> 00:34:56,824
I remember the two DNA analysts
screaming, literally,
649
00:34:56,857 --> 00:34:58,125
in the laboratory,
650
00:34:58,158 --> 00:35:00,194
that we had connected
the Gina Green case
651
00:35:00,227 --> 00:35:01,929
and the Charlotte Murray Pace
case,
652
00:35:02,463 --> 00:35:04,631
We were just completely floored
653
00:35:04,665 --> 00:35:07,334
That's when the thought was,
654
00:35:07,368 --> 00:35:10,504
"Oh my God,
we have a serial killer."
655
00:35:11,672 --> 00:35:13,107
Hopefully to remain calm,
656
00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:14,808
I know there's a lot of fear
in this city.
657
00:35:14,842 --> 00:35:16,019
- [Woman] Two unsolved murders.- [Man] Local women in Baton...
658
00:35:16,043 --> 00:35:21,315
Sexual assault, rape,
and a very, very violent death.
659
00:35:21,348 --> 00:35:22,525
You had to worry
about your wife,
660
00:35:22,549 --> 00:35:24,385
you had to worry
about your daughter.
661
00:35:24,418 --> 00:35:25,552
Nobody was safe.
662
00:35:25,586 --> 00:35:27,364
I'm lookin' ya right between
the eyes and tell you,
663
00:35:27,388 --> 00:35:29,523
we don't have
anything at this point.
664
00:35:29,556 --> 00:35:32,593
How do you slow this down?
How do you stop it?
665
00:35:32,626 --> 00:35:35,429
How do you prevent
having another victim?
666
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:37,631
[dramatic music fades]
667
00:35:43,467 --> 00:35:44,735
gun stores are again
668
00:35:44,769 --> 00:35:46,570
selling handguns
at record rates.
669
00:35:46,604 --> 00:35:49,907
Store owners are telling us
most of those buying guns
670
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:51,575
are female college students.
671
00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:54,912
It's a situation
that has many people on edge.
672
00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:56,223
[Female Reporter] One ofthe murder victims
673
00:35:56,247 --> 00:35:58,582
was Jackson-native Murray Pace,
674
00:35:58,616 --> 00:36:00,484
it's tonight's big story
675
00:36:01,218 --> 00:36:03,087
[Claire] There was a big weight
676
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,157
A nervousness, an anxiousness
around campus.
677
00:36:07,224 --> 00:36:11,028
You had Gina Green,
who was killed right off campus
678
00:36:12,263 --> 00:36:14,098
And then you had
Charlotte Murray Pace,
679
00:36:14,131 --> 00:36:16,867
who was a former neighbor
of Gina Green,
680
00:36:16,901 --> 00:36:20,237
and she was stabbed more than
80 times with a screwdriver.
681
00:36:21,038 --> 00:36:23,140
[Dana] Once that connectionis made,
682
00:36:23,174 --> 00:36:26,110
there's more of an urgency
in Baton Rouge.
683
00:36:26,143 --> 00:36:29,880
I mean, suddenly, we know
that we have a problem,
684
00:36:30,448 --> 00:36:34,027
and that someone else
is likely to be killed
685
00:36:34,051 --> 00:36:36,587
if we don't do something
to find this person.
686
00:36:37,054 --> 00:36:39,190
So there's
a great deal of urgency.
687
00:36:40,458 --> 00:36:42,436
It really could have been me,
it could have been my sister,
688
00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:45,629
it could have been
any female student at the time.
689
00:36:47,264 --> 00:36:49,433
[introspective music fades]
690
00:36:49,834 --> 00:36:51,135
I'm going to be honest,
691
00:36:51,168 --> 00:36:54,438
nobody wants to think,
at that point in time,
692
00:36:54,472 --> 00:36:57,641
that you may have a serial
investigation taking place
693
00:36:57,675 --> 00:36:58,943
until it's proven.
694
00:36:58,976 --> 00:37:00,511
We know that
those sorts of things
695
00:37:00,544 --> 00:37:03,147
are very disturbing
to the public.
696
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:06,350
So, we walk down that path
very carefully.
697
00:37:06,784 --> 00:37:09,053
[intense music]
698
00:37:12,256 --> 00:37:15,192
[Dana] Pam Kinamore isa 44-year-old owner
699
00:37:15,226 --> 00:37:16,627
of an antique shop,
700
00:37:17,161 --> 00:37:19,664
she lives in Baton Rouge,
she is married,
701
00:37:19,697 --> 00:37:22,009
and has one son.
702
00:37:22,033 --> 00:37:24,011
On the night in question,
703
00:37:24,035 --> 00:37:26,804
she arrived home,
704
00:37:26,837 --> 00:37:28,639
preparing to take a bath.
705
00:37:28,673 --> 00:37:32,019
She has candles lit,
she has the bathwater run...
706
00:37:32,043 --> 00:37:33,544
And she was just gone.
707
00:37:35,713 --> 00:37:37,658
[Christopher] The victim'shusband discovered that,
708
00:37:37,682 --> 00:37:40,217
once he got home, the van was
parked in the driveway,
709
00:37:40,251 --> 00:37:44,221
the tub had water in it,
and there's blood on the rug.
710
00:37:45,489 --> 00:37:47,401
[Woman Reporter] Pam's husband,Byron Kinamore, says
711
00:37:47,425 --> 00:37:49,360
he came home late last night.
712
00:37:49,393 --> 00:37:52,463
Pam's car was in the driveway
of her Briarwood Estates home.
713
00:37:52,496 --> 00:37:54,041
[Male Reporter] Neighborsnoticed lights on in the house
714
00:37:54,065 --> 00:37:55,633
around 10 PM.
715
00:37:55,666 --> 00:37:59,603
[Dana] There was blood foundon the rug in the den.
716
00:38:00,738 --> 00:38:03,607
Other than that, there wasn't
much sign of struggle.
717
00:38:04,742 --> 00:38:08,045
At the time, we had no clue
as to who may have done this.
718
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,447
The tub was full of water,
719
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,417
so we assume that the victim wa
in the process of taking a bath
720
00:38:13,451 --> 00:38:16,153
when the attacker made contact
with her.
721
00:38:17,188 --> 00:38:20,124
[Dana] Crime scene officerscollected swabs
722
00:38:20,157 --> 00:38:22,727
from those blood spots.
723
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,697
And they were run by
the state police crime lab.
724
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,610
[Woman Reporter] investigatorssay this is also too early
725
00:38:30,634 --> 00:38:33,237
to know if this is
in any way connected
726
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:35,206
to the recent LSU murders.
727
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,475
[dramatic music]
728
00:38:39,777 --> 00:38:42,913
[Dana] On July 16, 2002,
729
00:38:43,314 --> 00:38:47,251
fishermen found her body
off the Whiskey Bay Bridge
730
00:38:47,284 --> 00:38:48,619
on the Atchafalaya Basin.
731
00:38:49,854 --> 00:38:52,523
[Pat] the elements had reallytaken their toll on her body.
732
00:38:54,158 --> 00:38:57,328
We also discovered
that her throat had been slit.
733
00:38:58,529 --> 00:39:01,999
[Dana] Investigators also sawa piece of a phone cord
734
00:39:02,566 --> 00:39:05,002
that they thought
was out of place.
735
00:39:05,469 --> 00:39:07,438
So, they collected
that phone cord
736
00:39:07,471 --> 00:39:09,306
and they put it into evidence.
737
00:39:10,808 --> 00:39:14,779
Pam Kinamore was
a little bit different a victim.
738
00:39:15,513 --> 00:39:17,214
She was a wife,
she was a mother,
739
00:39:17,782 --> 00:39:19,817
lived on the opposite side
of town.
740
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:24,121
They were able to obtain
741
00:39:24,155 --> 00:39:26,824
at least a partial profile
from her body.
742
00:39:27,258 --> 00:39:28,769
Stunning news this evening
in the murder
743
00:39:28,793 --> 00:39:31,796
of South Baton Rouge
businesswoman Pam Kinamore.
744
00:39:32,163 --> 00:39:34,765
DNA tests released
this afternoon
745
00:39:34,799 --> 00:39:36,801
show Kinamore's killer
is the same man
746
00:39:36,834 --> 00:39:39,637
who murdered two other woman
in South Baton Rouge.
747
00:39:40,171 --> 00:39:41,315
[Natasha] These three women now
748
00:39:41,339 --> 00:39:42,940
all have been linked
forensically
749
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,177
and have been killed by
the same person, and therefore,
750
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:48,512
have met the definition
of a serial killer.
751
00:39:49,046 --> 00:39:50,791
I mean, honestly, we were just
completely floored,
752
00:39:50,815 --> 00:39:53,150
because these cases
were kind of different.
753
00:39:53,184 --> 00:39:54,819
Charlotte Murray Pace
had been stabbed.
754
00:39:54,852 --> 00:39:57,488
Pam Kinamore had actually been
abducted from her home,
755
00:39:57,521 --> 00:40:00,691
and then, dumped miles away
in a body of water.
756
00:40:00,725 --> 00:40:04,261
Which made connecting them
through a normal means of things
757
00:40:04,295 --> 00:40:07,164
like M.O., victimology,
things like that,
758
00:40:07,198 --> 00:40:08,599
very, very difficult.
759
00:40:08,632 --> 00:40:12,003
And the only way to connect the
was through the forensic means,
760
00:40:12,036 --> 00:40:13,237
in this case, DNA.
761
00:40:13,704 --> 00:40:15,706
It's a DNA discovery
that prompted police
762
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:18,075
to issue a special plea
late today.
763
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:19,219
[Christopher] Once we gotthe match,
764
00:40:19,243 --> 00:40:21,321
there was a press conference
to announce to the public
765
00:40:21,345 --> 00:40:22,980
that we had one killer.
766
00:40:23,014 --> 00:40:24,548
We want everybody to be aware
767
00:40:24,582 --> 00:40:28,119
that it appears that we have
a single, uh... Killer.
768
00:40:28,586 --> 00:40:30,388
[Pat] The decision toannounce that
769
00:40:30,421 --> 00:40:32,390
was extremely hard.
770
00:40:32,423 --> 00:40:36,627
We had a duty to the public,
to let them know.
771
00:40:37,194 --> 00:40:39,196
People had a right
to defend themselves
772
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,798
or prepare themselves
773
00:40:40,831 --> 00:40:43,234
if they thought they might
end up as a victim.
774
00:40:43,267 --> 00:40:44,702
[shotgun goes off]
775
00:40:44,735 --> 00:40:46,203
Public officials are
very hesitant
776
00:40:46,237 --> 00:40:47,705
to use the word "serial killer"
777
00:40:47,738 --> 00:40:50,708
because of the fear it invokes
in the general public.
778
00:40:50,741 --> 00:40:52,877
I'm lookin' ya right between
the eyes and tell you,
779
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:55,379
we don't have anything
at this point
780
00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:57,181
that we can give to the public.
781
00:40:57,214 --> 00:40:59,383
[Pat] So it's alwaysa juggling act
782
00:40:59,417 --> 00:41:02,653
to try to make sure you got
all your pieces in place
783
00:41:02,687 --> 00:41:04,889
before you put out that word,
784
00:41:04,922 --> 00:41:09,794
because you're gonna be besieged
with thousands of tips
785
00:41:09,827 --> 00:41:13,464
And we needed to be ready
for that day when it came.
786
00:41:13,497 --> 00:41:15,166
We would caution the public
787
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,234
not to let anyone
into your house
788
00:41:17,268 --> 00:41:18,903
unless you know who they are.
789
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:20,905
[Joel] Nobody knewwhat was going on.
790
00:41:20,938 --> 00:41:23,841
There was limited information
coming out in the news.
791
00:41:23,874 --> 00:41:27,111
Everybody was scared
and didn't know what to do.
792
00:41:27,144 --> 00:41:30,381
You had people
that were buying guns,
793
00:41:30,414 --> 00:41:31,615
going for training...
794
00:41:31,649 --> 00:41:33,751
It was the summer of fear.
795
00:41:33,784 --> 00:41:37,321
The fear of a serial killer
is that there is somebody
796
00:41:37,355 --> 00:41:40,358
that is under the radar
of law enforcement.
797
00:41:40,391 --> 00:41:42,626
This person could just
be driving around,
798
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:43,928
He had apparently followed the,
799
00:41:43,961 --> 00:41:47,198
he apparently had known
some of their routine,
800
00:41:47,231 --> 00:41:49,700
he had known some
of where they had lived.
801
00:41:49,734 --> 00:41:52,436
I'm thinking,
"Is this somebody they knew?
802
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:54,605
Is this somebody
in the neighborhood?"
803
00:41:54,638 --> 00:41:55,949
People that didn't
lock their doors
804
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:57,408
started locking their doors,
805
00:41:57,441 --> 00:41:59,677
People became more skeptical
of everybody they saw,
806
00:41:59,710 --> 00:42:01,612
and became more cautious of,
you know...
807
00:42:01,645 --> 00:42:03,023
"Is that person's
the serial killer?"
808
00:42:03,047 --> 00:42:05,416
I think everybody
should be cautious.
809
00:42:05,449 --> 00:42:08,219
We know that these guys
will typically kill
810
00:42:08,252 --> 00:42:09,954
until they're caught,
811
00:42:10,054 --> 00:42:11,455
and our biggest fear is
812
00:42:11,489 --> 00:42:14,859
if the next one was
going to come sooner than later.
813
00:42:16,293 --> 00:42:17,795
[dramatic music stops]
814
00:42:18,396 --> 00:42:20,965
But first, we have
some very important news
815
00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:23,968
regarding the search for
the Baton Rouge Serial Killer.
816
00:42:24,301 --> 00:42:26,504
[Dana] A white man,in a white truck,
817
00:42:26,537 --> 00:42:29,373
with a naked woman.
818
00:42:29,874 --> 00:42:32,677
A white truck they believe
Pam Kinamore's body was seen in
819
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:35,780
shortly before it was dumped
there at the Whiskey Bay Bridge
820
00:42:35,813 --> 00:42:38,315
[Pat] It absolutely went crazy.
821
00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:40,751
It was like a nightmare.
822
00:42:41,452 --> 00:42:44,655
Oh my gosh, have we been wrong?
823
00:42:44,689 --> 00:42:48,192
Are we dealing with
a white man in a white truck?
824
00:42:48,225 --> 00:42:51,228
Everybody in Baton Rouge
apparently knew
825
00:42:51,262 --> 00:42:53,164
who the serial killer was,
except me.
826
00:42:53,197 --> 00:42:55,499
Or is there something else here?
827
00:42:55,533 --> 00:42:56,843
[Pat] This wasa big freakin' deal.
828
00:42:56,867 --> 00:43:00,171
We've changed the whole
complexion and direction
829
00:43:00,204 --> 00:43:01,672
of our case.
830
00:43:01,706 --> 00:43:05,343
That put the body count
of connected murders at five.
831
00:43:05,376 --> 00:43:07,878
So now, we knew
we were on a manhunt.
832
00:43:17,775 --> 00:43:20,244
They found DNA
that ties to one individual,
833
00:43:20,278 --> 00:43:22,022
they're just not sure
who that individual is...
834
00:43:22,046 --> 00:43:24,024
[Woman] There is fearin this community,
835
00:43:24,048 --> 00:43:26,184
both on campus and off.
836
00:43:26,651 --> 00:43:28,252
[introspective music]
837
00:43:28,286 --> 00:43:29,854
[Pat] We immediatelycalled a meeting
838
00:43:29,887 --> 00:43:33,257
with all the Who's Who of
law enforcement in Baton Rouge.
839
00:43:33,658 --> 00:43:35,159
DAs, US attorneys,
840
00:43:35,193 --> 00:43:37,037
head of
law enforcement agencies,
841
00:43:37,061 --> 00:43:39,364
And we sat at the FBI's office
842
00:43:39,397 --> 00:43:41,899
and we discussed these cases
at length.
843
00:43:42,467 --> 00:43:46,871
The FBI can assist state and
local law enforcement officers
844
00:43:46,904 --> 00:43:49,049
when they're conducting
investigations
845
00:43:49,073 --> 00:43:50,541
into serial murders.
846
00:43:50,575 --> 00:43:54,746
The criteria is that there needs
to be three homicides,
847
00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:56,080
and they have to be linked.
848
00:43:56,614 --> 00:43:58,449
The Baton Rouge Police
Department
849
00:43:58,483 --> 00:44:01,285
and the Sheriff's Office
contacted the FBI
850
00:44:01,319 --> 00:44:02,887
and requested our assistance.
851
00:44:03,755 --> 00:44:05,323
[Christopher] We connectedGina Green,
852
00:44:05,356 --> 00:44:08,259
Charlotte Murray Pace
and Pam Kinamore through DNA,
853
00:44:10,061 --> 00:44:12,006
now we got confirmation
we have a serial killer
854
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:13,131
that killed these women.
855
00:44:13,564 --> 00:44:16,601
At that point,
on August the 4th of 2002
856
00:44:16,634 --> 00:44:20,338
the task force was formed
to investigate these homicides.
857
00:44:21,105 --> 00:44:23,341
[Pat] Let us pull together today
858
00:44:23,775 --> 00:44:26,310
to show a force of strength
859
00:44:26,344 --> 00:44:29,023
and send a message
to this offender:
860
00:44:29,047 --> 00:44:30,481
no more victims.
861
00:44:31,416 --> 00:44:33,718
[Jeff] Each agency would provide
862
00:44:33,751 --> 00:44:36,721
a certain number of
investigators to the task force
863
00:44:36,754 --> 00:44:38,656
to assist with covering leads.
864
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:40,925
[Bryan] There must have been30 or 40 people.
865
00:44:41,326 --> 00:44:42,627
It was big news, and every day,
866
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:46,331
the media would want to know
the progress of the task force.
867
00:44:46,831 --> 00:44:48,366
They were really pounding 'em.
868
00:44:49,667 --> 00:44:52,103
[Jeff] We deployed profilersto the area,
869
00:44:52,136 --> 00:44:55,049
so that they could
review other cases
870
00:44:55,073 --> 00:44:57,542
and help with the investigation.
871
00:44:58,142 --> 00:44:59,444
[Natasha] A typicalserial killer
872
00:44:59,477 --> 00:45:02,046
that's generated by the FBI
873
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,451
is that white male
between the ages of 25, 35...
874
00:45:06,484 --> 00:45:09,087
That's what they call
a typical serial killer.
875
00:45:12,023 --> 00:45:14,158
[suspenseful music]
876
00:45:15,927 --> 00:45:19,130
One of the tips that we thought
was very viable was
877
00:45:19,697 --> 00:45:23,634
there was a truck driver
traveling toward Lafayette
878
00:45:23,668 --> 00:45:25,036
on the interstate.
879
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:28,539
He remembered seeing a white man
in a white truck
880
00:45:28,573 --> 00:45:34,412
with a naked woman
on the Atchafalaya Basin.
881
00:45:35,613 --> 00:45:38,049
And it looked like
she was either passed out
882
00:45:38,082 --> 00:45:40,284
or something was wrong with her.
883
00:45:40,318 --> 00:45:41,428
[Woman Reporter] Now,investigators say
884
00:45:41,452 --> 00:45:44,422
they still need your help
in finding a white truck
885
00:45:44,455 --> 00:45:46,457
they believe Pam Kinamore's boy
was seen in
886
00:45:46,491 --> 00:45:49,527
shortly before it was dumped
there at the Whiskey Bay Bridge
887
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,730
This is the type of white truck
investigators are looking for.
888
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,169
[Prem] The task force releasedthe first profile,
889
00:45:58,202 --> 00:46:00,772
a white male,
driving a white truck.
890
00:46:01,205 --> 00:46:04,776
We're not 100% certain that thi
is the person we're looking for
891
00:46:04,809 --> 00:46:06,177
but we do wanna, uh...
892
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:07,679
Talk to this individual and see
893
00:46:07,712 --> 00:46:10,148
why he was at that location
at that time.
894
00:46:10,615 --> 00:46:12,993
[Pat] So we all made a decisionto go ahead
895
00:46:13,017 --> 00:46:15,853
and put out the description
of the white truck,
896
00:46:15,887 --> 00:46:17,889
the male, and the female.
897
00:46:17,922 --> 00:46:21,001
And it absolutely went crazy.
898
00:46:21,025 --> 00:46:22,126
[phone ringing]
899
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,428
Police department hotline?
900
00:46:23,461 --> 00:46:27,198
[Pat] Calls keep coming in,hundreds by the day, saying,
901
00:46:27,231 --> 00:46:29,667
"I know somebody
that's like this,
902
00:46:29,701 --> 00:46:32,337
he acts like this,
he's weird..."
903
00:46:32,370 --> 00:46:35,373
Okay, what can you tell me
about the pickup he was in?
904
00:46:35,406 --> 00:46:39,110
I mean everybody in Baton Rouge
apparently knew
905
00:46:39,143 --> 00:46:41,079
who the serial killer was,
except me.
906
00:46:41,646 --> 00:46:44,449
And if you've ever been
in South Louisiana,
907
00:46:44,482 --> 00:46:47,952
white is the color
of every pickup truck here.
908
00:46:48,753 --> 00:46:51,031
[Dana] Everyone in Louisianawas looking for
909
00:46:51,055 --> 00:46:54,034
a white man in a white truck,
everyone in Baton Rouge.
910
00:46:54,058 --> 00:46:55,927
[music intensifies, fades out]
911
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,363
I mean, I found myself...
I'd see a white truck
912
00:46:58,396 --> 00:47:01,232
and I'd see some creepy-looking
guy in the white truck,
913
00:47:01,265 --> 00:47:02,233
and I'd automatically think,
914
00:47:02,266 --> 00:47:05,103
"Oh my God, that could be
the serial killer."
915
00:47:05,837 --> 00:47:08,139
There were constant tips
about white men
916
00:47:08,172 --> 00:47:10,241
that were driving white trucks.
917
00:47:10,274 --> 00:47:13,011
Guy pulled up in a white truck,
freaked me out!
918
00:47:13,277 --> 00:47:15,680
And they were constantly
getting search warrants
919
00:47:15,713 --> 00:47:18,182
and taking swabs
from the individuals.
920
00:47:18,683 --> 00:47:21,252
They even had people
with white pickup trucks
921
00:47:21,285 --> 00:47:23,521
writing on their truck,
"It's not me."
922
00:47:24,288 --> 00:47:26,424
[Pat] I think everybody'sworst fear...
923
00:47:26,457 --> 00:47:29,260
"How do you slow this down?
How do you stop it?"
924
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:31,796
That's a tremendous amount
of pressure.
925
00:47:32,797 --> 00:47:36,934
They swabbed
over 2,000 white men,
926
00:47:38,036 --> 00:47:39,837
but it was a dead end.
927
00:47:40,138 --> 00:47:41,873
There were no more leads.
928
00:47:45,877 --> 00:47:48,680
[introspective music]
929
00:47:58,323 --> 00:48:00,658
[Christopher] In November 2002,
930
00:48:00,692 --> 00:48:03,494
we became aware of a female
that came up missing,
931
00:48:03,528 --> 00:48:05,897
just west of
East Baton Rouge Parish.
932
00:48:06,564 --> 00:48:09,300
We find out that the victim,
Dene Colomb,
933
00:48:09,334 --> 00:48:11,035
went to visit
her mother's gravesite
934
00:48:11,069 --> 00:48:12,236
in Grand Coteau, Louisiana.
935
00:48:13,338 --> 00:48:16,074
Her vehicle was discovered
near her mother's grave site.
936
00:48:17,041 --> 00:48:19,377
Her car keys were
still in the vehicle,
937
00:48:20,011 --> 00:48:21,579
as well as her purse.
938
00:48:26,017 --> 00:48:29,921
Her body was found days later
939
00:48:30,521 --> 00:48:32,657
by hunters in the woods.
940
00:48:33,057 --> 00:48:35,693
She had been beaten severely
941
00:48:35,727 --> 00:48:39,297
and at that point in time,
there was a thought, that,
942
00:48:39,330 --> 00:48:41,299
"Hey, we need to check her DNA,
943
00:48:41,332 --> 00:48:43,668
we need to see
if this is the same person
944
00:48:43,701 --> 00:48:45,670
that has been killing
other women."
945
00:48:48,573 --> 00:48:52,276
And when they obtained
the profile, it was.
946
00:48:53,378 --> 00:48:57,482
[Michael] DNA evidence obtainedin Trineisha Dene Colomb case
947
00:48:57,515 --> 00:48:58,816
has matched the DNA evidence
948
00:48:58,850 --> 00:49:01,352
in the Baton Rouge
serial murder cases.
949
00:49:01,386 --> 00:49:02,787
In just over a year,
950
00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:04,722
four women have been murdered
in Louisiana,
951
00:49:04,756 --> 00:49:07,258
their deaths linked
by DNA evidence.
952
00:49:07,725 --> 00:49:08,836
[Dana] It had alwaysbeen a theory
953
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:11,496
that a serial killer
kills within his same race,
954
00:49:11,529 --> 00:49:14,999
but Dene Colomb was
a black female.
955
00:49:15,533 --> 00:49:19,370
So this changed the way
law enforcement looked at it.
956
00:49:19,404 --> 00:49:21,039
At that point in time, it was,
957
00:49:21,072 --> 00:49:25,076
"Okay, are we dealing with
a white man in a white truck?
958
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:27,912
Or is there something else
here?"
959
00:49:28,012 --> 00:49:29,781
[dramatic music stops]
960
00:49:30,014 --> 00:49:32,317
[mysterious music]
961
00:49:36,754 --> 00:49:41,826
On March 3, of 2003,
Carrie Lynn Yoder,
962
00:49:41,859 --> 00:49:46,030
who was obtaining
her doctorate degree at LSU,
963
00:49:46,064 --> 00:49:49,801
disappeared from her residence,
which was very close to campus.
964
00:49:50,401 --> 00:49:52,503
She had been bringing in
groceries.
965
00:49:53,071 --> 00:49:55,606
And she disappeared.
966
00:49:56,708 --> 00:49:59,344
There was no sign of her.
967
00:50:02,013 --> 00:50:05,049
[Pat] Several days later,a fisherman found her body
968
00:50:05,083 --> 00:50:06,351
in Whiskey Bay,
969
00:50:07,452 --> 00:50:11,889
probably about 100 yards from
where Pam Kinamore was located.
970
00:50:12,757 --> 00:50:14,702
[Christopher] So, we's prettyconfident, the task force,
971
00:50:14,726 --> 00:50:17,028
that the same person
that killed Carrie Yoder
972
00:50:17,061 --> 00:50:18,663
killed Pam Kinamore.
973
00:50:19,697 --> 00:50:23,267
[Dana] DNA was recoveredfrom Carrie Yoder's body
974
00:50:23,468 --> 00:50:25,770
and was submitted for testing.
975
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:29,040
Law enforcement found, again,
976
00:50:29,073 --> 00:50:32,310
that the same person
murdered Carrie Yoder
977
00:50:32,343 --> 00:50:35,713
that murdered Dene Colomb,
that murdered Pam Kinamore,
978
00:50:35,747 --> 00:50:39,017
that murdered Murray Pace,
and that murdered Gina Green.
979
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:43,054
That put the body count
of connected murders at five.
980
00:50:43,955 --> 00:50:47,392
There was a lot of chaos
caused by the fact
981
00:50:47,425 --> 00:50:49,460
that these murders
had all been connected
982
00:50:49,494 --> 00:50:52,063
and that the killer
was still unknown.
983
00:50:52,096 --> 00:50:54,465
Remain calm, I know there is
a lot of fear in this city,
984
00:50:54,499 --> 00:50:55,833
and I-and I feel it.
985
00:50:55,867 --> 00:50:57,869
It's a tremendous
amount of pressure
986
00:50:57,902 --> 00:51:00,772
on any officer that works
one of these cases
987
00:51:00,805 --> 00:51:02,740
and can't find an answer to it.
988
00:51:03,207 --> 00:51:07,245
I've exhausted everything I can,
and to talk to these families...
989
00:51:07,278 --> 00:51:08,846
It takes a toll on you.
990
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,449
You could see that
they were working very hard
991
00:51:11,482 --> 00:51:13,818
to try to solve theses murders.
992
00:51:14,652 --> 00:51:18,032
We all felt like
we were holding our breath.
993
00:51:18,056 --> 00:51:20,458
[dramatic music stops]
994
00:51:21,125 --> 00:51:22,226
[introspective music]
995
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:24,038
[Woman Reporter 1] Terrorcontinues in Louisiana.
996
00:51:24,062 --> 00:51:25,773
Police in Baton Rouge are
desperately searching...
997
00:51:25,797 --> 00:51:27,241
[Woman Reporter 2] Dozensof law enforcement agencies
998
00:51:27,265 --> 00:51:30,101
are involved in the serial
killer investigation...
999
00:51:32,236 --> 00:51:34,405
[Christopher] The stressis very high in Baton Rouge.
1000
00:51:35,106 --> 00:51:36,908
It was stressful
not only in the public,
1001
00:51:36,941 --> 00:51:39,744
but also stressful at home,
with your family,
1002
00:51:39,777 --> 00:51:42,947
because they wanna know also
who killed these women.
1003
00:51:45,283 --> 00:51:46,784
As a task force,
1004
00:51:46,818 --> 00:51:48,329
you cannot give details
about your investigation,
1005
00:51:48,353 --> 00:51:50,288
because you gotta keep
the evidence
1006
00:51:50,321 --> 00:51:51,789
as close to vest as possible,
1007
00:51:51,823 --> 00:51:54,826
to make sure the killer
doesn't know what you know.
1008
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,697
[Ann] It was very frustratingnot to be better informed
1009
00:51:59,731 --> 00:52:03,234
by the law enforcement official
dealing with the case.
1010
00:52:03,901 --> 00:52:07,538
But I also understand we were
not their first priority,
1011
00:52:07,572 --> 00:52:10,274
the case itself
was the first priority.
1012
00:52:10,308 --> 00:52:14,746
[introspective music stops]
1013
00:52:15,046 --> 00:52:17,649
[dramatic music]
1014
00:52:19,851 --> 00:52:22,186
[Jeff] One of our statecrime labs told us
1015
00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:25,623
about a company in Florida,
called DNAPrint Genomics.
1016
00:52:26,424 --> 00:52:28,726
[Dana] This lab out of Floridaactually contacted
1017
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,695
the state police crime lab,
and said,
1018
00:52:30,728 --> 00:52:31,729
"We'd like to give you
1019
00:52:31,763 --> 00:52:33,965
the benefit of this new testing
that we have.
1020
00:52:34,065 --> 00:52:36,968
We think that we can
help identify this person,
1021
00:52:37,335 --> 00:52:38,903
or at least give you
1022
00:52:38,936 --> 00:52:41,506
basic information
about his race."
1023
00:52:42,807 --> 00:52:44,308
[Jeff] It was untested,
1024
00:52:44,342 --> 00:52:46,310
and we didn't wanna
just take their word for it,
1025
00:52:46,344 --> 00:52:50,782
so we took samples from various
task force officers,
1026
00:52:50,815 --> 00:52:52,550
about 10 to 20 of 'em,
1027
00:52:52,583 --> 00:52:54,319
and we sent those to the compan
1028
00:52:54,352 --> 00:52:57,088
and had them perform their test
on those samples.
1029
00:52:57,121 --> 00:52:59,724
We took the samples
from various individuals,
1030
00:52:59,757 --> 00:53:01,426
of various backgrounds,
1031
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:05,596
White, black, uh...
Native American, Asian...
1032
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:08,166
And we sent that information
and those samples
1033
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:09,199
to the company.
1034
00:53:10,168 --> 00:53:12,603
They conducted their analysis
of those samples,
1035
00:53:12,637 --> 00:53:14,072
they sent us
the information back,
1036
00:53:14,105 --> 00:53:16,841
and they had identified
correctly the race
1037
00:53:16,874 --> 00:53:19,877
of every single blind sample
that we sent them.
1038
00:53:21,412 --> 00:53:24,215
[Christopher] We got the DNAfrom all the crime scenes
1039
00:53:24,248 --> 00:53:26,084
that point to one individual,
1040
00:53:26,117 --> 00:53:28,219
But still, we do not have
his identity,
1041
00:53:28,252 --> 00:53:29,654
his name or his picture.
1042
00:53:30,755 --> 00:53:31,689
So, the DNA that connected the
suspect to the five crime scenes
1043
00:53:31,723 --> 00:53:34,792
to the five crime scenes
was sent to Florida.
1044
00:53:35,526 --> 00:53:40,631
The results was 85% African
and 15% Native American,
1045
00:53:40,665 --> 00:53:43,468
which meant that our suspect
is an African American.
1046
00:53:43,901 --> 00:53:46,137
This is a big frickin' deal,
we've changed
1047
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:49,073
the whole complexion
and direction of our case.
1048
00:53:49,607 --> 00:53:52,510
Because now, we're looking at
an African American as a suspect
1049
00:53:52,543 --> 00:53:53,945
and not a white male.
1050
00:54:09,694 --> 00:54:10,828
[Prem] I kept thinking,
1051
00:54:10,862 --> 00:54:14,008
"Oh my gosh,
have we been wrong?"
1052
00:54:14,032 --> 00:54:17,301
You know, we'd been going down
rabbit holes this whole time.
1053
00:54:17,335 --> 00:54:18,770
New information tonight,
1054
00:54:18,803 --> 00:54:20,638
in the case of
the Baton Rouge serial killer
1055
00:54:20,672 --> 00:54:23,641
that could change
the focus of the investigation.
1056
00:54:24,642 --> 00:54:27,478
[Dana] This was not a white manin a white truck.
1057
00:54:27,512 --> 00:54:29,614
They needed to broaden
their search completely.
1058
00:54:29,647 --> 00:54:34,185
This person could possibly be
a dark-complected white male,
1059
00:54:34,218 --> 00:54:37,755
a man of mixed heritage,
or a black male.
1060
00:54:37,789 --> 00:54:39,757
[Jeff] Once we receivedthat information,
1061
00:54:39,791 --> 00:54:42,393
we reviewed all the previous
tips we had received
1062
00:54:42,427 --> 00:54:44,429
regarding African Americans,
1063
00:54:44,462 --> 00:54:47,332
and we reopened
all of those tips.
1064
00:54:47,799 --> 00:54:50,568
[Pat] When I was sitting inthe task force office one day,
1065
00:54:50,601 --> 00:54:54,639
I got a call from somebody
in the town of Breaux Bridge
1066
00:54:54,672 --> 00:54:58,409
that said that they had a crime
that we might ought to look at.
1067
00:54:58,810 --> 00:55:00,311
[introspective music stops]
1068
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:03,247
[suspenseful music]
1069
00:55:06,718 --> 00:55:11,089
Three days before
Pam Kinamore was murdered,
1070
00:55:11,122 --> 00:55:12,590
there was an attack
1071
00:55:12,623 --> 00:55:15,827
about 45 minutes
from Baton Rouge.
1072
00:55:15,860 --> 00:55:18,596
Dianne Alexander was a nurse.
1073
00:55:18,629 --> 00:55:22,300
She was in living in a trailer
in Breaux Bridge, Louisiana.
1074
00:55:23,067 --> 00:55:24,345
[Prem] We're lookingfor a killer,
1075
00:55:24,369 --> 00:55:25,670
we just don't know who it is.
1076
00:55:25,703 --> 00:55:29,140
But in so many of the cases
I've tried,
1077
00:55:29,173 --> 00:55:34,245
I feel that, sometimes,
God's hand intervenes.
1078
00:55:35,113 --> 00:55:36,390
[Pastor] Father,
may this story come out
1079
00:55:36,414 --> 00:55:37,749
the way it needs to be told.
1080
00:55:37,782 --> 00:55:41,285
May it be filled with words that
will help someone else to heal,
1081
00:55:41,319 --> 00:55:42,320
but at the same time,
1082
00:55:42,353 --> 00:55:44,822
give someone else courage
to tell their own story.
1083
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:47,425
And we say thank you
that you're here with us.
1084
00:55:47,458 --> 00:55:48,669
- [Diane] Oh...
- [Pastor] In Jesus' name.
1085
00:55:48,693 --> 00:55:50,037
- [Dianne] In Jesus' name.
- [Pastor] Amen.
1086
00:55:50,061 --> 00:55:51,829
Thank you. Amen.
1087
00:55:52,563 --> 00:55:55,133
My name is Dianne Alexander,
1088
00:55:55,166 --> 00:55:57,535
and I am a survivor.
1089
00:56:01,606 --> 00:56:05,910
I was home alone,
ironing my nursing uniform
1090
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:10,448
and making dinner for
my husband and my son, Herman.
1091
00:56:11,215 --> 00:56:13,117
[record crackling]
1092
00:56:13,151 --> 00:56:14,786
[gospel music playing]
1093
00:56:14,819 --> 00:56:19,123
I felt a eerie, uneasy feeling,
like something wasn't right.
1094
00:56:19,557 --> 00:56:21,759
I put on some gospel music.
1095
00:56:23,695 --> 00:56:26,698
[gospel music]
♪ Will be revealed ♪
1096
00:56:27,598 --> 00:56:29,867
There was a knock on the door.
1097
00:56:29,901 --> 00:56:31,569
I wasn't expecting anyone,
1098
00:56:31,602 --> 00:56:34,872
but I lived in the area
for 12 years,
1099
00:56:34,906 --> 00:56:38,018
so it wasn't unusual
1100
00:56:38,042 --> 00:56:39,210
just to open the door
1101
00:56:39,243 --> 00:56:41,312
and see who was
on the opposite side.
1102
00:56:41,346 --> 00:56:42,780
[door cracks open]
1103
00:56:42,814 --> 00:56:44,415
So I opened the door,
1104
00:56:44,449 --> 00:56:49,620
and there was this young man,
about mid 30's,
1105
00:56:49,654 --> 00:56:53,224
well-dressed,
he had a polo shirt on.
1106
00:56:53,591 --> 00:56:55,560
I said, "May I help you?"
1107
00:56:55,593 --> 00:56:58,496
And he said,
"Hi, my name is Anthony.
1108
00:56:58,529 --> 00:57:02,900
I'm supposed to do construction
for the Montgomerys.
1109
00:57:03,601 --> 00:57:05,837
Do you know where they live?"
1110
00:57:06,571 --> 00:57:11,109
And I said, "No, I have no idea
who these people are."
1111
00:57:11,709 --> 00:57:16,447
So, he asked for the phone,
which was a handset at the time
1112
00:57:16,481 --> 00:57:18,850
[gospel music still playing]
1113
00:57:18,883 --> 00:57:20,618
So I brought it to him.
1114
00:57:20,652 --> 00:57:25,056
I didn't close the door because
I didn't wanna appear rude.
1115
00:57:25,089 --> 00:57:27,625
And he asked
for the phone directory.
1116
00:57:28,126 --> 00:57:30,294
I gave that to him as well.
1117
00:57:32,296 --> 00:57:34,065
He asked again,
1118
00:57:34,098 --> 00:57:37,011
"Are you sure you don't know
who these people are?",
1119
00:57:37,035 --> 00:57:39,013
And by then, I was frustrated.
1120
00:57:39,037 --> 00:57:40,271
And I said, "Look..."
1121
00:57:40,304 --> 00:57:43,074
[sounds get more intense]
1122
00:57:43,107 --> 00:57:46,244
And that's when he rushed in.
1123
00:57:46,878 --> 00:57:47,945
He overpowered me.
1124
00:57:48,046 --> 00:57:51,716
He caught me by the throat,
put me against the door.
1125
00:57:52,283 --> 00:57:54,028
[sharp, tense effect]
1126
00:57:54,052 --> 00:57:56,621
He whispered in my left ear,
1127
00:57:57,288 --> 00:57:59,590
"I've been watching you."
1128
00:58:00,625 --> 00:58:01,993
[gospel music]
♪ Hear me, Jesus ♪
1129
00:58:02,026 --> 00:58:05,763
He removed his hand,
laid me on the floor...
1130
00:58:07,498 --> 00:58:10,034
If I tried to fight him,
1131
00:58:10,535 --> 00:58:14,105
I knew,
without a shadow of a doubt,
1132
00:58:14,138 --> 00:58:15,740
this man would kill me.
1133
00:58:16,674 --> 00:58:21,312
He found a telephone cord,
he cut the phone cord,
1134
00:58:21,346 --> 00:58:25,016
and he tried
to strangle me with it.
1135
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:29,087
But I ended up
putting my fingers
1136
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,155
between my neck and the cord,
1137
00:58:31,189 --> 00:58:34,792
I was like this, holding it.
1138
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,628
And he didn't succeed.
1139
00:58:38,696 --> 00:58:42,333
It was summertime.
He was sweating profusely.
1140
00:58:43,167 --> 00:58:48,072
He was sweating so hard
that it was dripping like water.
1141
00:58:48,106 --> 00:58:53,444
Little did he know my eyes were
almost like a camera.
1142
00:58:53,478 --> 00:58:55,580
Taking a mugshot.
1143
00:58:56,214 --> 00:58:57,849
When he turned forward,
1144
00:58:57,882 --> 00:58:58,549
[loud bang]
1145
00:58:58,583 --> 00:59:00,451
it was like snapping a photo.
1146
00:59:01,152 --> 00:59:05,823
Throughout the whole ordeal,
fear didn't overtake me.
1147
00:59:05,857 --> 00:59:08,826
I did think that
I was going to die.
1148
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,064
But then again, I...
I was at peace.
1149
00:59:13,097 --> 00:59:14,565
[gospel music still playing]
1150
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:17,201
♪ We are walking(To the same place) ♪
1151
00:59:17,235 --> 00:59:19,370
♪ To the same place ♪
1152
00:59:19,404 --> 00:59:23,107
He hit me with a blunt object,
in my forehead.
1153
00:59:23,841 --> 00:59:27,312
I didn't feel the pain,
I only felt the pressure.
1154
00:59:27,345 --> 00:59:30,014
But I have no idea
what he hit me with.
1155
00:59:30,415 --> 00:59:35,653
And my head involuntarily
just went to the left.
1156
00:59:36,054 --> 00:59:38,656
[record crackling]
1157
00:59:41,793 --> 00:59:44,629
And that's when
Herman showed up.
1158
00:59:45,163 --> 00:59:46,531
[introspective music]
1159
00:59:46,564 --> 00:59:48,075
[Herman] When I was driving upto the home,
1160
00:59:48,099 --> 00:59:50,401
I notice something very unusual.
1161
00:59:50,435 --> 00:59:52,603
My mom's car was parked home,
1162
00:59:52,637 --> 00:59:55,907
and also, another car was parked
in the driveway.
1163
00:59:57,608 --> 01:00:00,712
The car was
a gold Mitsubishi Mirage.
1164
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:03,681
[Dianne] When the young manrealized
1165
01:00:03,715 --> 01:00:05,016
that someone showed up,
1166
01:00:05,049 --> 01:00:08,653
He stomped me in the center
of my abdomen,
1167
01:00:08,686 --> 01:00:11,556
and I curled up
in a fetal position.
1168
01:00:13,057 --> 01:00:14,559
[Herman] Once I gotin the house,
1169
01:00:14,592 --> 01:00:17,962
I heard a voice saying,
"Get a knife."
1170
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:21,699
When Herman entered
through the front door, I said,
1171
01:00:21,733 --> 01:00:23,735
"Herman, get a knife,
get a knife!"
1172
01:00:23,768 --> 01:00:27,739
Then as I looked over
to the left, toward the voice,
1173
01:00:27,772 --> 01:00:29,907
I see daylight down the hallway,
1174
01:00:29,941 --> 01:00:32,744
as if someone had fleed
out the backdoor.
1175
01:00:34,846 --> 01:00:37,649
I quickly ran back
to the front door,
1176
01:00:37,682 --> 01:00:40,451
and I seen the car
speeding away.
1177
01:00:43,187 --> 01:00:47,592
So, I got back in the car,
headed west on Highway 31,
1178
01:00:47,625 --> 01:00:50,762
trying to find the car
that was parked in the driveway.
1179
01:00:51,295 --> 01:00:52,864
I was unsuccessful.
1180
01:00:54,499 --> 01:00:57,335
Through the time of trying
to search for the car,
1181
01:00:57,802 --> 01:00:59,637
I thought about Mom.
[voice cracks]
1182
01:01:06,511 --> 01:01:10,415
Eventually, it's like a force
just picked me up.
1183
01:01:11,049 --> 01:01:14,285
Because I knew I had a phone
in my bedroom,
1184
01:01:15,053 --> 01:01:17,455
but the gentleman
that tried to kill me
1185
01:01:17,488 --> 01:01:20,491
didn't know
that I had a second phone.
1186
01:01:20,525 --> 01:01:22,493
Then I called 911,
1187
01:01:23,061 --> 01:01:25,530
I was in and out
of consciousness.
1188
01:01:26,497 --> 01:01:29,667
[gospel music fades out]
1189
01:01:31,402 --> 01:01:33,905
[tense music]
1190
01:01:34,672 --> 01:01:36,641
She was in the emergency room
1191
01:01:36,674 --> 01:01:39,510
being taken care of
by the doctors.
1192
01:01:39,544 --> 01:01:44,115
She was in, what I would
consider, grave condition.
1193
01:01:45,516 --> 01:01:48,753
She described the individual
as a black male,
1194
01:01:48,786 --> 01:01:53,324
kind of muscular build,
had a short haircut.
1195
01:01:53,358 --> 01:01:56,561
You know, 25 to 35 years old.
1196
01:01:57,095 --> 01:02:00,198
Approximately 5'9 ", 5'10"
in height.
1197
01:02:00,765 --> 01:02:03,034
She was lucky to be alive.
1198
01:02:03,067 --> 01:02:05,603
[dramatic music stops]
1199
01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:09,540
I mean, it triggers
a lot of emotions.
1200
01:02:11,275 --> 01:02:12,577
It breaks your heart,
1201
01:02:13,611 --> 01:02:18,082
a lot of rage that you don't
know where to take it out on.
1202
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:23,621
Majority of emotions
wasn't good emotions.
1203
01:02:24,489 --> 01:02:25,890
But you still want
to be positive
1204
01:02:25,923 --> 01:02:27,358
through a situation like this
1205
01:02:27,392 --> 01:02:29,961
because, at the end of the day,
I still have my mom.
1206
01:02:32,897 --> 01:02:36,734
Had Herman not shown up,
I wouldn't be here today.
1207
01:02:38,336 --> 01:02:41,639
[dramatic music]
1208
01:02:42,607 --> 01:02:45,076
[Jeff] We talked toMs. Alexander at length,
1209
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:47,979
and the profilers
interviewed her as well,
1210
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:49,981
and came to the determination
1211
01:02:50,081 --> 01:02:52,784
that it was a very good chance
that our unknown offender
1212
01:02:52,817 --> 01:02:55,553
was the person
who assaulted Ms. Alexander.
1213
01:02:57,255 --> 01:03:00,792
We asked her, "Did you get
a really good look at him?"
1214
01:03:01,492 --> 01:03:05,063
and she said, "Yeah, I-I had
a really good look at him.
1215
01:03:06,064 --> 01:03:07,732
While I was
at the police station,
1216
01:03:07,765 --> 01:03:11,736
we did a composite
of my attacker.
1217
01:03:11,769 --> 01:03:16,474
Maybe that's why I was taking
mugshots with my eyes,
1218
01:03:16,507 --> 01:03:19,711
to remember exactly
what he looked like.
1219
01:03:20,845 --> 01:03:22,880
[introspective music]
1220
01:03:22,914 --> 01:03:25,149
[Arthur] Mrs. Alexander haddescribed her attacker
1221
01:03:25,183 --> 01:03:29,220
as sweating profusely and
attempting to strangle her.
1222
01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:32,557
Based upon her testimony,
it was my belief that
1223
01:03:33,057 --> 01:03:35,927
there would've been a higher
concentration of contact DNA
1224
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,064
around the collar area
of Mrs. Alexander's dress.
1225
01:03:42,066 --> 01:03:43,901
[tense music]
1226
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:53,811
They tested the DNA
that her attacker left behind.
1227
01:03:53,845 --> 01:03:56,914
They found it to be enough
to prove
1228
01:03:56,948 --> 01:03:59,917
that it was the same person
that had killed
1229
01:04:00,018 --> 01:04:03,121
all five of the women
that were murdered.
1230
01:04:04,822 --> 01:04:06,433
[Natasha] This was monumentalin this case,
1231
01:04:06,457 --> 01:04:10,428
because Dianne Alexander was
the first victim that lived.
1232
01:04:10,461 --> 01:04:13,498
And the DNA that they were
able to retrieve in her case
1233
01:04:13,531 --> 01:04:15,199
that was linked
to the serial killer
1234
01:04:15,233 --> 01:04:17,802
is the first eyewitness
that we had that could tell us
1235
01:04:17,835 --> 01:04:19,937
what the serial killer
actually looked like.
1236
01:04:20,438 --> 01:04:23,675
She is a true living witness
who can say, "Yeah, it's him.
1237
01:04:24,275 --> 01:04:27,178
[Dana] Also, they were ableto analyze
1238
01:04:27,211 --> 01:04:31,816
the phone cord that was still
at Dianne's Alexander's house.
1239
01:04:32,216 --> 01:04:35,653
And they were able
to match it up to the cord
1240
01:04:35,687 --> 01:04:40,658
that was found at the dump site
of Pam Kinamore.
1241
01:04:41,693 --> 01:04:43,328
[Arthur] That shiftedthe investigation
1242
01:04:43,361 --> 01:04:44,696
to include our case
1243
01:04:44,729 --> 01:04:47,865
to the South Louisiana
Serial Killer Task Force,
1244
01:04:47,899 --> 01:04:51,703
and a decision was made
to make a news release.
1245
01:04:51,736 --> 01:04:53,838
We had a jigsaw puzzle
1246
01:04:53,871 --> 01:04:56,374
but didn't know
what the picture looked like.
1247
01:04:56,641 --> 01:04:57,742
Until this weekend.
1248
01:04:59,177 --> 01:05:01,322
[Christopher] A composite
drawing was given to the public
1249
01:05:01,346 --> 01:05:03,614
that was created from the memory
of Ms. Alexander
1250
01:05:03,648 --> 01:05:04,749
the time she was attacked.
1251
01:05:06,084 --> 01:05:08,686
[David] The sketch we saw withthe description that, uh...
1252
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,788
that Dianne Alexander gave
and everything else,
1253
01:05:11,356 --> 01:05:13,391
When I saw the sketch,
I knew who it was.
1254
01:05:13,925 --> 01:05:15,893
It was Derrick Todd Lee.
1255
01:05:24,684 --> 01:05:25,652
[Natha
1256
01:05:25,685 --> 01:05:28,655
she was able to give them
a basic description
1257
01:05:28,688 --> 01:05:30,323
of the person that attacked her.
1258
01:05:30,857 --> 01:05:33,326
Dianne Alexander had been
beaten badly,
1259
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,596
and she had bled over
a large portion of the clothing
1260
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:37,864
that she was wearing.
1261
01:05:37,897 --> 01:05:39,833
And it was his sweat
that was found
1262
01:05:39,866 --> 01:05:42,802
in a void portion
of her clothing.
1263
01:05:42,836 --> 01:05:45,438
And that was what they were abl
to get his DNA from.
1264
01:05:46,873 --> 01:05:49,309
[introspective music]
1265
01:05:53,647 --> 01:05:56,349
[Christopher] Derrick Todd Leelived in St. Francisville,
1266
01:05:56,383 --> 01:06:00,353
He worked laying concrete,
he also worked at local plants,
1267
01:06:00,387 --> 01:06:01,655
he did labor work.
1268
01:06:01,688 --> 01:06:03,857
So he's used to working
with his hands.
1269
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:06,059
He's a very strong male.
1270
01:06:06,893 --> 01:06:09,262
[Pat] He had a fairlysignificant arrest record.
1271
01:06:09,296 --> 01:06:13,366
Mostly peeping tom,
trespassing, those type crimes.
1272
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,203
But the never collected
the DNA of Derrick Todd Lee.
1273
01:06:18,505 --> 01:06:21,207
[dramatic music]
1274
01:06:24,444 --> 01:06:28,214
[David] On the Randi Mebruercase, back in 1998
1275
01:06:28,248 --> 01:06:32,285
Derrick Todd Lee, he was
my number one suspect.
1276
01:06:33,086 --> 01:06:34,354
I'll never forget the night
1277
01:06:34,387 --> 01:06:35,922
we went to
Derrick Todd Lee's house,
1278
01:06:36,022 --> 01:06:37,390
searching his closet,
1279
01:06:37,424 --> 01:06:39,659
and that the hair
on the back of my neck stood up
1280
01:06:39,693 --> 01:06:40,927
[tense music builds up]
1281
01:06:41,628 --> 01:06:42,672
You know, we'd been
working the case,
1282
01:06:42,696 --> 01:06:45,732
interviewing individuals,
talking to many people.
1283
01:06:45,765 --> 01:06:48,010
We began looking
at different cement slabs
1284
01:06:48,034 --> 01:06:49,936
that had been
newly poured by him.
1285
01:06:50,036 --> 01:06:53,015
We searched a swamp area
in the St. Francisville area
1286
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,241
down the road
from where he lived,
1287
01:06:55,275 --> 01:06:56,409
to no avail.
1288
01:06:56,443 --> 01:06:58,421
We just couldn't come up
with a whole lot of evidence
1289
01:06:58,445 --> 01:06:59,746
at the time.
1290
01:06:59,779 --> 01:07:01,214
No physical evidence
at the scene,
1291
01:07:01,247 --> 01:07:05,085
not really understanding DNA
back then, in 1998.
1292
01:07:05,118 --> 01:07:07,120
[tense music builds up]
1293
01:07:09,322 --> 01:07:14,628
This case started off
basically as a homicide in 1998,
1294
01:07:14,661 --> 01:07:17,764
abduction case
from Zachary, Louisiana.
1295
01:07:17,797 --> 01:07:19,342
It kind of stayed
in the back of my mind,
1296
01:07:19,366 --> 01:07:21,735
because it was still
an open case.
1297
01:07:21,768 --> 01:07:24,504
Randi Mebruer's body
was never located.
1298
01:07:25,271 --> 01:07:28,775
When the murders in Baton Rouge
started increasing in frequency
1299
01:07:28,808 --> 01:07:31,244
I started
looking into this again.
1300
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:33,990
When I start digging
1301
01:07:34,014 --> 01:07:35,782
into Derrick Todd Lee's
work history,
1302
01:07:35,815 --> 01:07:38,184
I find out he's doing
construction work
1303
01:07:38,218 --> 01:07:40,754
around the gates and lakes
at LSU,
1304
01:07:40,787 --> 01:07:42,789
and that he's been
hauling trucks,
1305
01:07:42,822 --> 01:07:45,325
crossing Whiskey Bay
three times a week,
1306
01:07:45,358 --> 01:07:47,494
where these bodies
are turning up.
1307
01:07:48,561 --> 01:07:49,796
I dig a little bit further,
1308
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:51,731
and I find out he's worked
for J.E. Merrit,
1309
01:07:52,365 --> 01:07:55,902
where Connie Warner's body
turned up, in late '92.
1310
01:07:57,203 --> 01:08:00,807
It's starting to look more and
more than just a coincidence.
1311
01:08:03,343 --> 01:08:05,445
I did a criminal history search
on Lee
1312
01:08:05,478 --> 01:08:09,149
and found out
that he was in jail
1313
01:08:09,182 --> 01:08:10,817
when these murders stopped.
1314
01:08:10,850 --> 01:08:14,387
And he was outta jail when
these murders were happening.
1315
01:08:14,421 --> 01:08:17,590
But we still don't have
Derrick Todd Lee's DNA.
1316
01:08:19,626 --> 01:08:21,728
[tense music]
1317
01:08:22,429 --> 01:08:25,231
[Dianne] When I lookedat the six photos,
1318
01:08:25,265 --> 01:08:28,702
I looked at each face,
each nose,
1319
01:08:28,735 --> 01:08:31,771
from the hair
to the facial features,
1320
01:08:31,805 --> 01:08:33,606
the shape of the face,
1321
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,575
until I got to Derrick Todd Lee.
1322
01:08:37,043 --> 01:08:40,580
And I knew, without a shadow
of a doubt,
1323
01:08:41,381 --> 01:08:43,016
he was the one.
1324
01:08:46,586 --> 01:08:49,222
[dramatic music]
1325
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:53,193
[Joel] We get the subpoena,and we go to look for Lee.
1326
01:08:53,226 --> 01:08:57,430
When we first got there,
Lee was belligerent,
1327
01:08:57,464 --> 01:09:00,266
he was hollering and screaming
a bunch of expletives,
1328
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:02,969
and most of them were directed
at McDavid.
1329
01:09:03,003 --> 01:09:04,404
It was kind of a strange deal,
1330
01:09:04,437 --> 01:09:07,641
because he wouldn't do
the DNA swab
1331
01:09:07,674 --> 01:09:09,442
if McDavid was present.
1332
01:09:09,709 --> 01:09:11,478
As he saw me, he asked that
1333
01:09:11,511 --> 01:09:14,080
he didn't want nobody
from Zachary P.D. there,
1334
01:09:14,114 --> 01:09:15,548
so I left the area.
1335
01:09:15,582 --> 01:09:18,051
They walked inside his house,
they swabbed him,
1336
01:09:18,084 --> 01:09:19,352
the swab was turned over
1337
01:09:19,386 --> 01:09:22,088
to the Louisiana State Police
Crime Lab.
1338
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:25,992
[tense music]
1339
01:09:29,462 --> 01:09:32,565
Once we took
Derrick Todd Lee's DNA,
1340
01:09:32,599 --> 01:09:36,202
I asked the lab technician
to look at our evidence
1341
01:09:36,236 --> 01:09:38,238
that we had submitted
on Randi Mebruer.
1342
01:09:39,172 --> 01:09:40,182
[Natasha] With
the Randi Mebruer case,
1343
01:09:40,206 --> 01:09:43,243
the pink bag was never tested
in serology,
1344
01:09:43,276 --> 01:09:45,545
it was actually tested
for fingerprints.
1345
01:09:45,578 --> 01:09:48,114
They were certain that the bag
had been used to, possibly,
1346
01:09:48,148 --> 01:09:49,916
line whatever was used
1347
01:09:50,016 --> 01:09:52,485
to transport the body away
from the crime scene,
1348
01:09:52,519 --> 01:09:55,422
because Randi Mebruer's body
has never been found.
1349
01:09:56,156 --> 01:09:59,426
We processed those garbage bag,
and when we were looking
1350
01:09:59,459 --> 01:10:02,362
at the possible bloodstains
that were on the garbage bags,
1351
01:10:02,395 --> 01:10:04,130
one of the things
that we also did was
1352
01:10:04,164 --> 01:10:06,466
we looked at them underneath
an alternate light source.
1353
01:10:06,499 --> 01:10:08,501
If you've watched
any of the forensic shows,
1354
01:10:08,535 --> 01:10:09,903
you've seen
the little blue light
1355
01:10:09,936 --> 01:10:12,405
that makes
certain body fluids glow.
1356
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,742
And what we noticed was there
was actually a little stain
1357
01:10:15,775 --> 01:10:19,379
in the edge of one of
those bloodstains that glowed.
1358
01:10:19,412 --> 01:10:21,281
And that was when we realized
1359
01:10:21,314 --> 01:10:24,384
we actually had a semen stain
in the edge of a bloodstain.
1360
01:10:25,352 --> 01:10:27,954
We had no idea
that a case that old
1361
01:10:27,988 --> 01:10:29,990
was gonna be linked
to the serial killer.
1362
01:10:32,492 --> 01:10:33,960
[dramatic music]
1363
01:10:33,994 --> 01:10:36,963
[Pat] In May of 2003,
1364
01:10:36,997 --> 01:10:38,999
we get a call
in the middle of the night.
1365
01:10:39,366 --> 01:10:42,268
Unbeknownst to us, we got a hit.
1366
01:10:42,969 --> 01:10:44,638
It's Derrick Todd Lee.
1367
01:10:46,973 --> 01:10:52,512
A suspect has been identified i
the homicides of Gina Green,
1368
01:10:52,545 --> 01:10:56,149
Charlotte Murray Pace,
Pam Kinamore,
1369
01:10:56,182 --> 01:10:58,885
Dene Colomb and
Carrie Lynn Yoder.
1370
01:10:58,918 --> 01:11:00,329
I'll never forget it,
it was a Sunday.
1371
01:11:00,353 --> 01:11:02,789
I had got through
cutting grass at my house,
1372
01:11:02,822 --> 01:11:05,158
and I received a call from
the task force, and said,
1373
01:11:05,191 --> 01:11:07,694
"Hey, look, just want to
let you all know, right now...
1374
01:11:07,727 --> 01:11:09,262
Your DNA has connected,
1375
01:11:09,296 --> 01:11:11,298
the individual
is Derrick Todd Lee."
1376
01:11:12,232 --> 01:11:14,134
[Pat] We put togethera SWAT team
1377
01:11:14,167 --> 01:11:17,637
comprising of FBI agents
and BRPD
1378
01:11:17,671 --> 01:11:21,841
and we hit the home of Derrick
Todd Lee in West Feliciana.
1379
01:11:21,875 --> 01:11:23,276
He was not there.
1380
01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:26,646
We secured the scene,
the house was searched,
1381
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,316
there was no evidence
that he was there.
1382
01:11:29,716 --> 01:11:32,252
So now, we knew
we were on a manhunt.
1383
01:11:41,394 --> 01:11:43,430
[For Derrick Todd Lee]warrant
1384
01:11:43,463 --> 01:11:45,432
has been issued
in East Baton Rouge Parish
1385
01:11:45,899 --> 01:11:49,336
on the charges of first-degree
murder and aggravated rape,
1386
01:11:49,369 --> 01:11:52,172
and an extensive manhunt
is currently underway.
1387
01:11:52,539 --> 01:11:54,841
We urge our residents
to be cautious
1388
01:11:54,874 --> 01:11:57,510
and consider Mr. Lee
to be armed and dangerous
1389
01:11:57,544 --> 01:12:00,580
and possibly still
in West Feliciana Parish.
1390
01:12:00,613 --> 01:12:02,382
It wasn't time to relax.
1391
01:12:02,415 --> 01:12:04,584
We still did not
have the person in custody,
1392
01:12:04,617 --> 01:12:07,787
and we's praying that he did not
victimize anyone else.
1393
01:12:07,821 --> 01:12:11,591
The FBI received some tips that
he was in Atlanta, Georgia.
1394
01:12:12,092 --> 01:12:16,162
We believe he's here in Atlanta
and we need to get him arrested
1395
01:12:16,196 --> 01:12:18,665
Derrick Todd Lee,
if you can hear me,
1396
01:12:18,698 --> 01:12:20,567
I met with your mother
this morning.
1397
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,738
She has asked me to ask you
to please turn yourself in.
1398
01:12:25,639 --> 01:12:28,708
[dramatic music]
1399
01:12:29,275 --> 01:12:31,020
[Jeff] Investigatorsin Atlanta, Georgia
1400
01:12:31,044 --> 01:12:32,812
located him and arrested him.
1401
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:36,282
We now have the subject
in custody,
1402
01:12:36,316 --> 01:12:39,619
and soon, he will be transporte
back to Baton Rouge.
1403
01:12:40,687 --> 01:12:44,290
I fell into a ball on the floor
in my kitchen,
1404
01:12:44,758 --> 01:12:48,728
and I literally weeped
for probably an hour.
1405
01:12:49,062 --> 01:12:51,431
I just can't even tell you
1406
01:12:51,464 --> 01:12:54,768
the emotions that were running
through my body at that point.
1407
01:12:54,801 --> 01:12:57,837
It was a nightmare
that had finally ended.
1408
01:12:58,772 --> 01:13:02,008
[Dianne] When Derrick Todd Leewas finally captured,
1409
01:13:02,609 --> 01:13:05,988
It was a... A sense of relief,
1410
01:13:06,012 --> 01:13:07,990
that now, he's behind bars
1411
01:13:08,014 --> 01:13:11,584
and he won't hurt or kill
anyone else.
1412
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,491
That was an overwhelming joy
for me at that moment.
1413
01:13:23,697 --> 01:13:26,008
[Dana] The DNAof Derrick Todd Lee
1414
01:13:26,032 --> 01:13:27,867
was also connected
to Randi Mebruer
1415
01:13:27,901 --> 01:13:31,738
as well as Geralyn DeSoto,
over in West Baton Rouge.
1416
01:13:31,771 --> 01:13:35,241
So, the total at that time
was seven.
1417
01:13:36,076 --> 01:13:37,586
[Christopher] Once weapprehended Derrick Todd Lee,
1418
01:13:37,610 --> 01:13:39,145
we brought him in
to be questioned.
1419
01:13:39,179 --> 01:13:40,613
We confronted Derrick
with the fact
1420
01:13:40,647 --> 01:13:43,883
that we had the DNA
on these multiple crime scenes.
1421
01:13:44,184 --> 01:13:46,353
He's still denying
he committed these acts.
1422
01:13:46,886 --> 01:13:49,489
But one thing that was striking
that he told me, he said,
1423
01:13:49,522 --> 01:13:52,559
"I confess to God,
why should I confess to men?"
1424
01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:57,864
[Ann] To see Derrick Leethe first time was a shock.
1425
01:13:58,732 --> 01:14:02,636
You kept looking at him
for some sign,
1426
01:14:03,003 --> 01:14:05,472
some mark of the demon,
1427
01:14:05,505 --> 01:14:09,342
Some-something that made him
recognizable
1428
01:14:09,376 --> 01:14:13,713
as subhuman or monstrous.
1429
01:14:14,648 --> 01:14:16,650
It seemed impossible
that somebody
1430
01:14:16,683 --> 01:14:18,818
who was an ordinary human being
1431
01:14:18,852 --> 01:14:22,422
which you could have passed
on the street a hundred times,
1432
01:14:22,455 --> 01:14:25,058
could be the person that he was.
1433
01:14:25,392 --> 01:14:26,726
[sentimental music]
1434
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:27,894
[Dana] It was huge.
1435
01:14:27,927 --> 01:14:29,529
The city'd been on edge,
1436
01:14:29,562 --> 01:14:32,532
and law enforcement had been
on edge as well,
1437
01:14:32,565 --> 01:14:34,901
just trying to find this person.
1438
01:14:35,802 --> 01:14:39,539
[sentimental music]
1439
01:14:49,916 --> 01:14:52,218
[Max] I received a call,I believe it was on a Saturday.
1440
01:14:52,252 --> 01:14:54,220
It was on a weekend that, uh...
1441
01:14:54,254 --> 01:14:56,389
a body had been located
in a remote area
1442
01:14:56,423 --> 01:14:58,758
in the extreme North end
of the parish.
1443
01:15:00,994 --> 01:15:04,431
I drove out to see if I could be
of any kind of assistance,
1444
01:15:04,464 --> 01:15:06,066
and when I got there,
1445
01:15:06,099 --> 01:15:07,901
it was a very bad scene.
1446
01:15:08,001 --> 01:15:09,202
[tense music]
1447
01:15:09,235 --> 01:15:10,870
The body had been there
for a while.
1448
01:15:10,904 --> 01:15:15,141
It had been, positioned over
some brush and some debris
1449
01:15:15,175 --> 01:15:17,344
in a very degrading manner.
1450
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,992
When we rolled the body,
we discovered that
1451
01:15:23,016 --> 01:15:24,517
her hands had been removed.
1452
01:15:24,551 --> 01:15:26,653
[suspenseful music]
1453
01:15:26,686 --> 01:15:29,255
[Prem] Horrific thingsin this case.
1454
01:15:29,789 --> 01:15:33,426
The horror of finding
this decomposing body,
1455
01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:37,464
but the horror
of it being without hands.
1456
01:15:38,164 --> 01:15:40,166
[Max] She also hada ligature mark
1457
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,011
where she had been choked
to death.
1458
01:15:42,035 --> 01:15:43,236
You couldn't see the mark,
1459
01:15:43,269 --> 01:15:46,072
because of the collar of insects
around her neck.
1460
01:15:47,107 --> 01:15:49,275
[Bryan] The conditionof her body and the cuttings,
1461
01:15:49,309 --> 01:15:50,777
very, very unusual.
1462
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:53,647
Just... Just not something
you see in a homicide scene.
1463
01:15:54,481 --> 01:15:56,950
The victim was identified
as Johnnie Mae Williams,
1464
01:15:57,517 --> 01:15:58,818
another black female
1465
01:15:58,852 --> 01:16:02,055
who was living
a high-risk lifestyle.
1466
01:16:02,822 --> 01:16:04,624
Because her hands had been
severed,
1467
01:16:04,658 --> 01:16:07,594
she was starting to get
some bug activity on her body.
1468
01:16:08,528 --> 01:16:11,898
And so, we collected
some of the bugs, because,
1469
01:16:11,998 --> 01:16:15,035
in our minds, we thought someone
had cut her hands off to keep...
1470
01:16:15,068 --> 01:16:16,903
I-I guess as a trophy.
1471
01:16:17,904 --> 01:16:19,773
And then, some of
the other detectives
1472
01:16:19,806 --> 01:16:21,274
immediately remembered that
1473
01:16:21,308 --> 01:16:24,010
one of Katherine Hall's eyelids
had been cut off.
1474
01:16:25,011 --> 01:16:26,989
[Prem] The alarm went offat that point.
1475
01:16:27,013 --> 01:16:30,617
With the deaths
of Johnnie Mae Williams
1476
01:16:30,650 --> 01:16:33,286
and Katherine Hall years before
1477
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,021
this is not a coincidence.
1478
01:16:35,588 --> 01:16:37,891
And then you got
these ritualistic cuttings
1479
01:16:37,924 --> 01:16:39,326
on both of them.
1480
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:41,561
They absolutely know
at this point
1481
01:16:41,895 --> 01:16:46,566
this is serial killer
number two at work.
1482
01:16:46,599 --> 01:16:49,102
[tense music ends]
1483
01:16:53,907 --> 01:16:55,608
[Max] We knew that we hadsomething
1484
01:16:55,642 --> 01:16:59,245
when we discovered the body
of Johnnie Mae Williams
1485
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:01,958
and it was so similar
1486
01:17:01,982 --> 01:17:05,585
to the one four years earlier,
with Katherine Hall.
1487
01:17:09,456 --> 01:17:10,557
[Bryan] During the autopsy,
1488
01:17:10,590 --> 01:17:12,726
where her hands
had been severed,
1489
01:17:12,759 --> 01:17:14,260
there was another hair found
1490
01:17:14,294 --> 01:17:16,997
embedded in one of the bones
of her arms.
1491
01:17:18,031 --> 01:17:20,200
[Prem] And the hairwas most likely left
1492
01:17:20,233 --> 01:17:22,802
by the person
who was doing the cutting
1493
01:17:22,836 --> 01:17:24,838
and the taking
of her hands away.
1494
01:17:26,506 --> 01:17:28,241
[Bryan] Ultimately,the hair collected
1495
01:17:28,274 --> 01:17:29,843
from Johnnie Mae's body
1496
01:17:29,876 --> 01:17:33,013
matched the hair collected
from Katherine Hall's body,
1497
01:17:33,446 --> 01:17:35,649
So we knew it was
the same killer.
1498
01:17:35,682 --> 01:17:37,250
We knew we had the same person.
1499
01:17:37,283 --> 01:17:38,995
[tense music]
1500
01:17:39,019 --> 01:17:42,999
[Prem] First, we had the violentseries of home invasions
1501
01:17:43,023 --> 01:17:45,859
with a serial killer,
Derrick Todd Lee.
1502
01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:52,065
Then we segue into
ritualistic serial killings,
1503
01:17:52,532 --> 01:17:55,302
murdering prostitutes,
generally speaking,
1504
01:17:55,335 --> 01:17:57,871
and doing multiple cuttings.
1505
01:17:58,905 --> 01:18:00,950
[Bryan] We realize nowthat we probably had
1506
01:18:00,974 --> 01:18:03,310
a second serial killer
in Baton Rouge.
1507
01:18:03,743 --> 01:18:06,313
[Max] Derrick Todd Lee hadjust been captured.
1508
01:18:06,346 --> 01:18:08,315
And now, we're fixing
to tell everybody
1509
01:18:08,348 --> 01:18:10,317
that we've got another
serial killer,
1510
01:18:10,350 --> 01:18:12,118
separate and apart from Lee,
1511
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,555
who we believe
had killed these two women.
1512
01:18:17,223 --> 01:18:19,893
[introspective music]
1513
01:18:23,129 --> 01:18:28,868
[Dana] Prior to the late 1900sand early 2000, in Baton Rouge,
1514
01:18:28,902 --> 01:18:32,305
there had been no serial killer,
or at least that we knew of.
1515
01:18:32,339 --> 01:18:35,985
This was, you know, something
that was just totally foreign.
1516
01:18:36,009 --> 01:18:38,678
All the sudden,
we know that we have one,
1517
01:18:39,379 --> 01:18:41,548
and then, it looks like
we have two.
1518
01:18:42,816 --> 01:18:44,994
[Bryan] Women were scaredto go out by themself.
1519
01:18:45,018 --> 01:18:48,188
It just really almost had
Baton Rouge in a state of panic.
1520
01:18:50,090 --> 01:18:52,559
[dramatic music]
1521
01:18:52,592 --> 01:18:54,661
In February of '04,
1522
01:18:54,694 --> 01:18:57,530
some citizens called
from off of Ben Hur Road,
1523
01:18:57,564 --> 01:18:59,566
which is just south of LSU.
1524
01:18:59,599 --> 01:19:03,269
They noticed the body
of a white female
1525
01:19:03,837 --> 01:19:07,073
laying on some brush
in the canal.
1526
01:19:07,107 --> 01:19:09,743
[music becomes tense]
1527
01:19:09,776 --> 01:19:13,246
The first responding deputies
that came up on it
1528
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:15,015
noticed immediately
1529
01:19:15,048 --> 01:19:19,019
that the body had been laid
upon the brush
1530
01:19:19,052 --> 01:19:20,887
in a posed position.
1531
01:19:21,421 --> 01:19:24,057
The detectives,
upon closer inspection,
1532
01:19:24,090 --> 01:19:27,560
realized that one of her arms
had been severed
1533
01:19:27,594 --> 01:19:28,995
from the elbow down.
1534
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:32,399
When the body was rolled over,
1535
01:19:32,432 --> 01:19:34,401
there was also a very
significant cutting
1536
01:19:34,434 --> 01:19:36,102
on one of her legs.
1537
01:19:36,703 --> 01:19:38,538
But it was very peculiar
1538
01:19:38,571 --> 01:19:42,909
that the cutting was cut
almost in a perfect square.
1539
01:19:43,743 --> 01:19:46,413
About a three- or four-inch
piece of flesh
1540
01:19:46,446 --> 01:19:48,081
had been removed from her leg.
1541
01:19:48,648 --> 01:19:51,584
So we immediately knew
it was the same person.
1542
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:58,024
Access to the scene was limited
by a very, very small gate.
1543
01:19:58,325 --> 01:20:00,193
The gate was ajar
1544
01:20:00,627 --> 01:20:01,828
and it was just enough room
1545
01:20:01,861 --> 01:20:04,230
for a small vehicle
to go in and out.
1546
01:20:05,031 --> 01:20:08,368
Well, there was a mud puddle
in the middle of that gate
1547
01:20:08,401 --> 01:20:11,805
and it left
a beautiful tire track,
1548
01:20:11,838 --> 01:20:13,807
that we believed
must have belonged
1549
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,576
to the last vehicle
that had gone through that gate.
1550
01:20:17,177 --> 01:20:19,946
And we believed that was gonna
be the vehicle of the killer.
1551
01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:24,584
The tire prints,
the tire marks were
1552
01:20:24,617 --> 01:20:27,120
what I call
the smoking gun in this case.
1553
01:20:28,488 --> 01:20:29,656
[Max] Our crime scene tech,
1554
01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:31,958
he made a cast
of the tire tracks
1555
01:20:31,992 --> 01:20:35,562
both going into the gap
that entered into the field
1556
01:20:36,096 --> 01:20:38,832
and also the tracks
that backed up to the brush pie
1557
01:20:38,865 --> 01:20:40,533
where her body was found.
1558
01:20:41,501 --> 01:20:43,470
[dramatic music ends]
1559
01:20:43,503 --> 01:20:46,539
[suspenseful music]
1560
01:20:47,707 --> 01:20:49,109
[Bryan] During the autopsy,
1561
01:20:49,142 --> 01:20:52,078
scrapings were taken
from underneath her fingernails
1562
01:20:52,379 --> 01:20:54,214
and submitted for DNA analysis.
1563
01:20:55,382 --> 01:20:58,218
The victim was identified
as Donna Bennett Johnston.
1564
01:20:58,952 --> 01:21:02,389
Same similarities as the other
two victims that we had.
1565
01:21:02,422 --> 01:21:04,357
Very high-risk lifestyle.
1566
01:21:05,058 --> 01:21:07,003
She had had some battles
with addiction,
1567
01:21:07,027 --> 01:21:09,562
and then, ultimately,
landed on the streets,
1568
01:21:09,929 --> 01:21:11,931
in the same areas
as Katherine Hall
1569
01:21:12,032 --> 01:21:13,900
and Johnnie Mae Williams.
1570
01:21:16,069 --> 01:21:19,739
We got fingernails scrapings
from Ms. Johnston
1571
01:21:19,773 --> 01:21:22,018
that were compared
for nuclear DNA
1572
01:21:22,042 --> 01:21:25,445
to the root of the hair
from Katherine Hall,
1573
01:21:25,478 --> 01:21:27,447
and then, the shaft
of that same hair
1574
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:29,149
compared to the shaft
of the hair
1575
01:21:29,182 --> 01:21:31,551
discovered
with Johnnie Mae Williams.
1576
01:21:32,085 --> 01:21:35,388
And ultimately,
they all matched.
1577
01:21:35,422 --> 01:21:36,823
[music intensifies]
1578
01:21:36,856 --> 01:21:39,693
So, we knew at that point
that the same killer
1579
01:21:39,726 --> 01:21:41,928
had committed the homicide
of Donna Johnston,
1580
01:21:41,962 --> 01:21:44,898
Katherine Hall,
and Johnnie Mae Williams.
1581
01:21:46,099 --> 01:21:49,045
We knew without a doubt that
we had the same serial killer
1582
01:21:49,069 --> 01:21:52,072
and that they were probably
more victims out there.
1583
01:21:53,273 --> 01:21:55,942
[introspective music]
1584
01:22:00,046 --> 01:22:01,891
[Max] At that point,we put a task force together
1585
01:22:01,915 --> 01:22:05,752
involving
the Sheriff's office, the FBI,
1586
01:22:05,785 --> 01:22:07,425
Louisiana state attorney
general's office,
1587
01:22:07,454 --> 01:22:10,790
Louisiana State Police,
and the Baton Rouge City Police.
1588
01:22:11,725 --> 01:22:15,028
We had to ensure
our victims' families
1589
01:22:15,061 --> 01:22:17,797
that this case was going to
be worked just as diligently
1590
01:22:17,831 --> 01:22:19,332
as Derrick Todd Lee's.
1591
01:22:19,366 --> 01:22:22,102
We would also take this
opportunity to ask any agency
1592
01:22:22,135 --> 01:22:24,771
that if they have murders
they believe are similar,
1593
01:22:24,804 --> 01:22:26,539
to contact the task force.
1594
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,542
Anything of that nature
that remains unsolved
1595
01:22:29,576 --> 01:22:31,745
after Derrick Todd Lee
will be looked at,
1596
01:22:31,778 --> 01:22:34,280
it's simply a matter
of which ones we prioritize.
1597
01:22:34,748 --> 01:22:37,350
The FBI finally put together
a profile
1598
01:22:37,384 --> 01:22:40,153
of what they thought
this person would be.
1599
01:22:41,421 --> 01:22:43,590
This was probably a white male,
1600
01:22:43,857 --> 01:22:46,326
mid-30s to 40 years old,
1601
01:22:46,626 --> 01:22:48,428
He does not look threatening,
1602
01:22:48,461 --> 01:22:51,498
he does not look like
he's foaming at the mouth.
1603
01:22:52,165 --> 01:22:55,769
He will start
being a perfect gentleman
1604
01:22:55,802 --> 01:22:58,138
until he turns into that monster
1605
01:22:58,171 --> 01:23:02,175
and then forces his way in
and does what he does.
1606
01:23:08,581 --> 01:23:11,751
The task force sat down and
talked about all the evidence
1607
01:23:11,785 --> 01:23:13,486
that we had to go on
1608
01:23:13,853 --> 01:23:16,289
and we talked about
investigative strategies.
1609
01:23:16,656 --> 01:23:18,325
And the tire tracks,
1610
01:23:18,358 --> 01:23:21,394
we determined that was probably
going to be our best lead.
1611
01:23:22,662 --> 01:23:25,732
The East Baton Rouge Parish
Sheriff's Office Crime Scene
1612
01:23:25,765 --> 01:23:29,302
had taken molds of those
tire mark impressions
1613
01:23:29,336 --> 01:23:30,470
as well as photographs,
1614
01:23:31,638 --> 01:23:33,907
and their crime scene
investigators had determined,
1615
01:23:33,940 --> 01:23:36,376
by talking to various
tire manufacturers,
1616
01:23:36,409 --> 01:23:39,512
that the tires were
Goodyear Aqua Tread Three.
1617
01:23:39,546 --> 01:23:41,181
[camera click]
1618
01:23:41,214 --> 01:23:43,650
What's interesting about the
Goodyear Aqua Tread Three tires
1619
01:23:43,683 --> 01:23:46,786
is that it's
an after-market tire,
1620
01:23:46,820 --> 01:23:48,655
so that means it's sold
at a tire shop.
1621
01:23:48,688 --> 01:23:50,623
When you go to a tire shop
to buy tires,
1622
01:23:50,657 --> 01:23:52,359
your name is going to be
in a database,
1623
01:23:52,392 --> 01:23:54,537
because they're gonna have to
get rid of your old tires
1624
01:23:54,561 --> 01:23:56,062
and that gets tracked.
1625
01:23:58,298 --> 01:24:01,401
We found out from Goodyear
that the tires were sold
1626
01:24:01,434 --> 01:24:03,903
at three different locations
in the Baton Rouge area.
1627
01:24:04,004 --> 01:24:05,438
When we went
to these three shops,
1628
01:24:05,472 --> 01:24:06,640
we obtained a list of people
1629
01:24:06,673 --> 01:24:09,075
that had purchased the Goodyear
Aqua Tread Three tires.
1630
01:24:09,109 --> 01:24:11,911
We had approximately 100 names.
1631
01:24:12,712 --> 01:24:15,048
We took the list, divided it up
1632
01:24:15,081 --> 01:24:17,817
amongst the investigators
on the task force,
1633
01:24:17,851 --> 01:24:20,453
and we were tasked
with going out
1634
01:24:20,487 --> 01:24:22,756
and talking to the owners
of these tires
1635
01:24:23,256 --> 01:24:25,191
and seeing
if they would cooperate.
1636
01:24:25,592 --> 01:24:28,395
One of the things that I did
when I got my list is,
1637
01:24:28,428 --> 01:24:31,531
I had an analyst run
their criminal histories,
1638
01:24:31,564 --> 01:24:34,634
and based upon my list
of approximately ten people,
1639
01:24:34,668 --> 01:24:38,305
two of them had prior arrests.
1640
01:24:38,338 --> 01:24:42,275
And one of the top two
was Sean Vincent Gillis.
1641
01:24:45,578 --> 01:24:48,281
[tense music]
1642
01:24:49,416 --> 01:24:50,650
[Jeff] The following day,
1643
01:24:50,684 --> 01:24:53,453
I went to see Mr. Gillis
at his residence.
1644
01:24:54,454 --> 01:24:56,089
When I approached
Mr. Gillis's house,
1645
01:24:56,122 --> 01:24:57,924
we walked past a vehicle
1646
01:24:57,957 --> 01:24:59,359
and noted on the vehicle,
1647
01:24:59,392 --> 01:25:01,027
before we even knocked
on the door,
1648
01:25:01,061 --> 01:25:03,863
that the Goodyear Aqua Tread
Three tires were on the vehicle.
1649
01:25:08,001 --> 01:25:10,270
Mr. Gillis was very unassuming,
1650
01:25:10,303 --> 01:25:13,807
and he asked us to come around
to the backyard to talk to him.
1651
01:25:15,008 --> 01:25:17,844
When I asked him if he knew
Johnnie Mae Williams,
1652
01:25:17,877 --> 01:25:20,990
Gillis told me he did,
in fact, know her.
1653
01:25:21,014 --> 01:25:22,882
[lighter turning on]
1654
01:25:22,916 --> 01:25:25,352
He said, "Johnnie Mae and I
are friends.
1655
01:25:25,385 --> 01:25:26,886
She used to actually
work for me,
1656
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,489
She would come in periodically
and clean my home.
1657
01:25:31,024 --> 01:25:35,128
He said that he knew
Johnnie Mae Williams very well,
1658
01:25:35,161 --> 01:25:38,665
said they had
had sexual relations before,
1659
01:25:39,165 --> 01:25:42,035
said she had been with him
in his car on many occasions.
1660
01:25:42,369 --> 01:25:44,437
[Jeff] That's when we asked himfor a swab.
1661
01:25:45,171 --> 01:25:49,342
He readily volunteered
to provide a DNA sample
1662
01:25:50,677 --> 01:25:52,278
I handed that swab over
1663
01:25:52,312 --> 01:25:55,749
to our evidence custodian
that was part of the task force,
1664
01:25:55,782 --> 01:25:57,026
and she immediately took it
1665
01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:59,119
to the Louisiana State Police
Crime Lab.
1666
01:26:00,186 --> 01:26:02,422
[Bryan] After more conversationwith Sean,
1667
01:26:02,455 --> 01:26:05,625
he agreed to come down
to the office for questioning.
1668
01:26:07,394 --> 01:26:09,663
[Jeff] He was smokinga cigarette,
1669
01:26:10,397 --> 01:26:12,565
and I remember,
before he got into the vehicle,
1670
01:26:12,599 --> 01:26:15,568
he smoked half his cigarette
and he threw it on the ground,
1671
01:26:15,602 --> 01:26:17,804
and he said,
"Let's get this over with."
1672
01:26:21,775 --> 01:26:23,543
[dramatic music]
1673
01:26:23,576 --> 01:26:28,782
It was probably the most
disturbing interrogation
1674
01:26:28,815 --> 01:26:29,992
I've ever heard in my life.
1675
01:26:30,016 --> 01:26:32,819
[Bryan] He said that"the moonlight hit her bone,
1676
01:26:32,852 --> 01:26:34,587
and I just wanted to touch it."
1677
01:26:41,194 --> 01:26:43,229
A policeman looked at me,
and said,
1678
01:26:43,263 --> 01:26:45,532
"You didn't know you were living
with a serial killer?"
1679
01:26:45,565 --> 01:26:48,702
It's like being caught
in a story that can't be true,
1680
01:26:48,735 --> 01:26:50,236
but you can't get out of it.
1681
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:52,014
As soon as you can take a breath
1682
01:26:52,038 --> 01:26:53,707
and you realize
that that's over,
1683
01:26:53,740 --> 01:26:55,041
it's not over.
1684
01:26:55,075 --> 01:26:58,745
It was incredible
to even contemplate.
1685
01:26:58,778 --> 01:27:00,847
A suspected serial killer,
1686
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,016
making him the third man
accused of that title
1687
01:27:03,049 --> 01:27:05,819
in the Baton Rouge area
in the last ten years.
1688
01:27:05,852 --> 01:27:11,725
Could there be
a third serial killer?
1689
01:27:11,758 --> 01:27:15,161
[Dramatic music fades out]
[dramatic music fades out]
1690
01:27:15,862 --> 01:27:19,332
[music]
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