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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,423 --> 00:00:08,343 - Find your way through. - Okay. 2 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:12,178 - We hear you! Where are you?! - Where are you? 3 00:00:12,262 --> 00:00:14,347 I'm gonna find you! 4 00:00:14,431 --> 00:00:17,642 Dead end! This way. Come this way. Go this way. This way. 5 00:00:18,893 --> 00:00:22,731 You know, when I look back at my own childhood, it was great. 6 00:00:23,314 --> 00:00:24,733 But I just remember 7 00:00:26,735 --> 00:00:28,486 feeling alone a lot. 8 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:30,238 Which way are you gonna go? 9 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:34,159 Go, go, go! 10 00:00:34,242 --> 00:00:37,579 I just wanted all these cousins and these people. 11 00:00:37,662 --> 00:00:38,872 I just wanted all of that. 12 00:00:40,707 --> 00:00:42,625 And I didn't have that big family. 13 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:45,879 Oh! He's down! 14 00:00:45,962 --> 00:00:47,172 You got it! 15 00:00:47,255 --> 00:00:49,174 So when I was pregnant with Archie... 16 00:00:52,385 --> 00:00:57,640 ...I was just so excited that we were going to be able to create for him 17 00:00:57,724 --> 00:00:59,684 that thing that I had always wanted 18 00:01:08,777 --> 00:01:10,403 So I just did everything I could 19 00:01:11,821 --> 00:01:13,198 to make them proud. 20 00:01:14,157 --> 00:01:16,159 And to really be a part of the family. 21 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:30,840 And then the bubble burst. 22 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:33,844 - Duchess Difficult... - No official word from the palace... 23 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:37,722 It was already clear to the media that the palace wasn't gonna protect her. 24 00:01:38,431 --> 00:01:40,975 Once that happens, the floodgates open. 25 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:45,396 And I realized that I wasn't just... 26 00:01:47,816 --> 00:01:50,693 being thrown to the wolves, I was being fed to the wolves. 27 00:02:43,246 --> 00:02:46,082 So you and your father were close most of your life. 28 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:47,393 - Is that right? - Yeah. 29 00:02:47,417 --> 00:02:51,546 I mean, you know, family. So it's never easy, never perfect. 30 00:02:51,629 --> 00:02:56,801 But of course, I talked to my dad several times a week and, you know... 31 00:02:57,635 --> 00:03:00,388 So when did things start to go awry there? 32 00:03:01,139 --> 00:03:02,390 When the media got involved. 33 00:03:02,473 --> 00:03:06,436 Well, we are joined this morning by Meghan Markle's father, Thomas. 34 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:09,564 Thank you so much for being with us. I want to take you... 35 00:03:09,647 --> 00:03:12,001 After the wedding, my dad started doing interviews, 36 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:13,651 mostly saying things about me. 37 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:15,028 Meghan Markle's dad. 38 00:03:15,111 --> 00:03:17,339 ...Thomas Markle yesterday. He was really upset... 39 00:03:17,363 --> 00:03:18,841 ...does not stop apparently... 40 00:03:18,865 --> 00:03:22,243 It was incredibly painful. 41 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:26,164 And the world is watching this drama play out. 42 00:03:29,626 --> 00:03:32,212 And then he started criticizing the royal family. 43 00:03:35,089 --> 00:03:37,300 But it was very embarrassing for the family. 44 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:44,807 It was a problem that needed to be solved, and they wanted me to make it stop. 45 00:03:46,935 --> 00:03:49,437 And... 'Cause I'd reached out to Her Majesty. 46 00:03:50,063 --> 00:03:52,374 Like, "This is what's going on. What do you want me to do?" 47 00:03:52,398 --> 00:03:55,401 "I want to make..." Like, "Whatever advice you have." 48 00:03:55,485 --> 00:03:56,569 But ultimately, 49 00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:02,825 it was suggested by the Queen, the Prince of Wales, 50 00:04:02,909 --> 00:04:04,369 that I write my dad a letter. 51 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:09,582 And I had gone to great lengths to get that letter to my dad discreetly. 52 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:14,837 Because I can't put this letter in the mail 53 00:04:14,921 --> 00:04:16,965 with the return address being Kensington Palace, 54 00:04:17,048 --> 00:04:18,675 and send it to Tom Markle 55 00:04:20,218 --> 00:04:21,844 and assume it's gonna get there. 56 00:04:21,928 --> 00:04:24,847 So I send it to my business manager in LA. 57 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:26,933 I was like, "He'll recognize that name." 58 00:04:28,142 --> 00:04:32,146 Then I get the picture of the signature confirmation that it's been delivered, 59 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:34,274 and it's not his signature. 60 00:04:34,357 --> 00:04:37,402 That's not my dad's handwriting. It just says "Thomas." 61 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:44,993 A private letter from the Duchess to her dad has been made public. 62 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:47,620 Thomas has, uh, we think, now released this letter, 63 00:04:47,704 --> 00:04:48,871 and it's pretty damaging. 64 00:04:48,955 --> 00:04:52,625 New private moments between Duchess Meghan and her estranged father. 65 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:56,421 ...now a very public and painful description of their rift. 66 00:04:59,048 --> 00:05:00,048 It was... 67 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:03,094 horrendous. 68 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:09,392 The Daily Mail said, "We have the full and complete five-page letter." 69 00:05:10,893 --> 00:05:12,333 I was like, "What would it look like 70 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:15,315 if you redacted the stuff that they didn't put in?" 71 00:05:15,398 --> 00:05:17,525 "What would it look like?" So you could really see... 72 00:05:17,608 --> 00:05:19,728 They're telling the public "Here's this whole letter." 73 00:05:20,236 --> 00:05:25,074 And when you're literally taking sentences out of paragraphs 74 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:27,368 and words out of sentences. 75 00:05:28,578 --> 00:05:31,372 You want to print my letter, 76 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:34,250 which you know you can't do legally. 77 00:05:35,084 --> 00:05:37,754 But you want to print it and paint a completely different picture 78 00:05:37,837 --> 00:05:40,131 of who I am and my relationship with my dad. 79 00:05:40,882 --> 00:05:44,719 And take out every single thing I said about how the media has manipulated you. 80 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:53,978 People are scratching their heads, going, "How would the Mail have the, 81 00:05:54,062 --> 00:05:56,439 either the stupidity or the, 82 00:05:57,607 --> 00:05:58,767 whatever you want to call it, 83 00:05:58,816 --> 00:06:00,860 to print a letter between a daughter and a father?" 84 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:02,528 Well, the answer is simple. 85 00:06:03,946 --> 00:06:08,034 They knew the family would encourage us not to sue. 86 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,371 We sat down with the lawyer for the institution 87 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:14,290 and senior members of the palace. 88 00:06:15,291 --> 00:06:19,337 And it was in those meetings that I reminded them that I wrote that letter 89 00:06:19,420 --> 00:06:22,048 at the guidance of senior members of the family. 90 00:06:22,131 --> 00:06:23,841 You know this is unlawful. 91 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:27,595 "So we have to draw the line. We have to take legal action." 92 00:06:27,678 --> 00:06:29,013 They said "Yes, of course." 93 00:06:29,097 --> 00:06:31,474 And I would follow up for weeks and weeks and weeks. 94 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:34,060 "Hey what's going on with this?" Nothing. 95 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:41,234 After months of saying, "She needs to do something about this," 96 00:06:42,443 --> 00:06:44,654 we took separate legal advice. 97 00:06:46,989 --> 00:06:51,619 I knew from the first meeting that this was really serious, 98 00:06:51,702 --> 00:06:56,416 in that it was having a horrid impact on Meghan. 99 00:06:58,626 --> 00:07:01,462 There's the narrative that the royal family adopt 100 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:05,258 a "never complain, never explain" approach to the media. 101 00:07:05,341 --> 00:07:09,720 And I think Meghan went along with that for a long period. 102 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:15,268 But there was a real kind of war against Meghan. 103 00:07:15,852 --> 00:07:19,230 And I've certainly seen evidence 104 00:07:19,313 --> 00:07:23,651 that there was negative briefing from the palace against Harry and Meghan 105 00:07:23,734 --> 00:07:26,821 to suit other people's agendas. 106 00:07:44,172 --> 00:07:47,675 Meg became this scapegoat for the palace. 107 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:52,847 And so they would feed stories on her whether they were true or not 108 00:07:53,764 --> 00:07:56,809 to avoid other, less favorable stories being printed. 109 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,895 You would just see it play out. 110 00:07:58,978 --> 00:08:02,356 Like a story about someone in the family would pop up for a minute, and they'd go, 111 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,816 "We gotta make that go away." 112 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,402 But there's real estate on a website homepage. 113 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:09,489 There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover. 114 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:12,700 And something has to be filled in there about someone royal. 115 00:08:15,703 --> 00:08:18,581 This barrage of negative articles 116 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:21,584 about the breakdown of the relationship with her father 117 00:08:21,667 --> 00:08:27,048 was the final straw in a campaign of negative, nasty coverage about her. 118 00:08:27,798 --> 00:08:31,093 Looking back, it was one of the first acts, um, 119 00:08:31,177 --> 00:08:34,013 of them breaking away from the institution. 120 00:08:36,265 --> 00:08:38,976 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are suing the Mail on Sunday. 121 00:08:39,977 --> 00:08:42,230 The lawsuit claims the Mail violated the law 122 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:44,607 by publishing a personal letter she wrote to her father. 123 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:49,487 This is a massive error. If you're royal, keep schtum, keep quiet. 124 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:51,948 Everything changed after that. 125 00:08:53,032 --> 00:08:56,953 That litigation was the catalyst probably for all of the unraveling. 126 00:09:07,505 --> 00:09:09,131 This is snow! 127 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:13,302 This is snow! 128 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:14,929 What is it? 129 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:20,518 The media coverage of the lawsuit was negative, which we always knew. 130 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:24,021 You don't go into these things expecting anything but that. 131 00:09:24,522 --> 00:09:28,609 Um, so it was really a good opportunity for us to get away. 132 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:29,694 What is it? 133 00:09:29,777 --> 00:09:32,989 You know, with Archie, just to clear our heads. 134 00:09:40,788 --> 00:09:43,291 Bucking tradition, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex 135 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:46,544 will not be spending Christmas with the Queen. 136 00:09:48,504 --> 00:09:50,214 Good girl, Pula! Come on. 137 00:09:53,884 --> 00:09:55,303 I just loved being there. 138 00:09:58,556 --> 00:10:00,099 It was just so peaceful. 139 00:10:03,477 --> 00:10:04,770 Good girl, Pula. 140 00:10:10,192 --> 00:10:11,902 You could breathe for a minute. 141 00:10:16,324 --> 00:10:17,324 Hi! 142 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:20,494 It was absolutely amazing. 143 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:25,207 Because the main thing that we needed was some space. 144 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:28,169 Some space to think and just work out what on earth we're doing. 145 00:10:31,380 --> 00:10:32,840 - Are you filming? - Yeah. 146 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:44,018 It was so cold. Was that right in the New Year? 147 00:10:44,101 --> 00:10:46,020 Yeah, that was, um, on 1st January. 148 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:49,690 I came out refreshed. 149 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:51,984 - And I was like, "Here we go, 2020." - Yeah. 150 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:53,068 "What you got?" 151 00:10:56,781 --> 00:10:59,158 The DailyMail.com has some exclusive details 152 00:10:59,241 --> 00:11:02,828 about the new home that he and Meghan are currently renting. 153 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:08,709 There wasn't a single paparazzi that lives on Vancouver Island. 154 00:11:08,793 --> 00:11:11,712 That was the reason we chose it. It's an island. 155 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:17,468 There's another one there. A paparazzi vehicle. 156 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:22,973 No one in their right mind would have to deal with this endlessly. 157 00:11:26,477 --> 00:11:28,104 The toll was visible. 158 00:11:28,187 --> 00:11:30,314 The emotional toll that it was having on both of us, 159 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:32,191 but especially, um, especially my wife. 160 00:11:34,485 --> 00:11:35,695 What are we gonna do? 161 00:11:35,778 --> 00:11:38,072 We're gonna have to change this, for our own sake. 162 00:11:38,155 --> 00:11:39,949 Like, let's really think this through. 163 00:11:40,032 --> 00:11:41,075 How are we gonna do this? 164 00:11:41,158 --> 00:11:44,578 How are we gonna change our relationship with the institution, 165 00:11:44,662 --> 00:11:48,916 but in a way that protects us and our mental health and our wellbeing as well? 166 00:11:53,587 --> 00:11:55,982 So, at the end of December, the beginning of January, 167 00:11:56,006 --> 00:11:59,468 I've been on the phone to my father, saying, "We've got a plan." 168 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:01,178 What if we move to Canada? 169 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:05,200 It would be good to give ourselves some breathing space, 170 00:12:05,224 --> 00:12:07,059 but also we were really passionate about 171 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:10,396 continuing our work throughout the Commonwealth, to support the Queen. 172 00:12:10,479 --> 00:12:13,566 Well, and also, I think what's important is the pack of the royal rota 173 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:14,900 is based there in London. 174 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:19,530 So if we're not there, they can't cover what we're doing. 175 00:12:20,865 --> 00:12:23,868 You guys can be on the front pages of all the papers. 176 00:12:23,951 --> 00:12:26,245 You can have it exactly the way you want it. 177 00:12:26,328 --> 00:12:29,081 And we can just go about doing the work in the name of the Queen. 178 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:33,753 If you want us to go and do things on behalf of the Queen, 179 00:12:33,836 --> 00:12:35,004 we'll go and do it. 180 00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:36,714 And we'll pay for it ourselves. 181 00:12:37,381 --> 00:12:40,301 We don't want to be dependent on any taxpayer funding. Guess what? 182 00:12:40,384 --> 00:12:42,887 You get us, but you get us for free. 183 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:46,724 And this was years in the making. 184 00:12:47,224 --> 00:12:50,561 We really wanted to remove the supposed public interest argument 185 00:12:50,644 --> 00:12:53,689 that the press had over every element of our lives. 186 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:59,945 Their argument was, "If you have, uh, even 1% of public funding, 187 00:13:00,029 --> 00:13:04,450 any part of your life, then we can basically claim public interest." 188 00:13:04,533 --> 00:13:06,202 "We can invade your privacy on everything 189 00:13:06,285 --> 00:13:09,079 because you have public funds supporting you." 190 00:13:11,874 --> 00:13:15,461 In 2018, we'd already talked about perhaps moving to New Zealand. 191 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,924 And that never transpired. 192 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:22,676 And then beginning of 2019, 193 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,055 we discussed the whole concept of us moving to South Africa, 194 00:13:26,138 --> 00:13:30,100 supporting charities, organizations in Africa. 195 00:13:31,727 --> 00:13:33,567 The job is a lot of cause-driven work. 196 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:36,190 So I thought, "Well, this is great." 197 00:13:36,857 --> 00:13:39,610 There's an asset in having a woman of color 198 00:13:39,693 --> 00:13:42,363 when you have 50 plus Commonwealth countries, 199 00:13:42,446 --> 00:13:44,156 the majority of which are people of color. 200 00:13:47,284 --> 00:13:50,329 And the palace signed off on us moving to South Africa. 201 00:13:50,412 --> 00:13:53,183 So my father's office knew about it, my brother's office knew about it, 202 00:13:53,207 --> 00:13:55,376 and my grandmother's office knew about it. 203 00:13:56,168 --> 00:13:58,629 No one else knew. It was very much an internal document. 204 00:13:58,712 --> 00:14:01,257 Then it was leaked to The Times newspaper. 205 00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:07,388 Then that whole plan was then scrapped. 206 00:14:07,471 --> 00:14:09,640 Because it's now become a public debate. 207 00:14:10,891 --> 00:14:14,019 Once plans like that become public debates, 208 00:14:14,103 --> 00:14:16,814 nine times out of ten, it's gonna fail. 209 00:14:19,275 --> 00:14:22,152 By the time I was speaking to my father from Canada, 210 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:25,406 the family and their people knew 211 00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:28,868 that we were trying to find a different way of working 212 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:31,579 for a minimum of two years. 213 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:32,662 Minimum. 214 00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:36,166 "Okay, Canada." I was speaking to my father. 215 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,961 - "This is the plan." - He says, "Can you put that in writing?" 216 00:14:39,044 --> 00:14:40,754 And I said "I'd rather not. 217 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:43,215 He says, "I can't do anything unless you put it in writing." 218 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:47,344 Sent him emails on 1st, 2nd and 3rd January. 219 00:14:48,804 --> 00:14:49,722 And in one of those, 220 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:52,766 I'd mentioned that, you know, if this wasn't gonna work out, 221 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:56,270 then we would be willing to relinquish our Sussex titles, if need be. 222 00:14:57,062 --> 00:14:59,064 - So that was... - That was the plan. 223 00:14:59,148 --> 00:15:00,441 - That was the plan. - Mm. 224 00:15:05,362 --> 00:15:07,781 Before we left, I spoke to my grandmother as well, 225 00:15:08,365 --> 00:15:10,576 and told her that we're coming back on the 6th, 226 00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:13,037 and I would love to come and drive up and come and see you. 227 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,665 She knew that we were finding things hard. I'd spoken to her many times about it. 228 00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:19,668 She told me she had no plans for the week. 229 00:15:20,252 --> 00:15:21,852 She said, "Well, why don't you come up?" 230 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:24,599 "You can have tea, but why don't you stay the night, you and Meghan?" 231 00:15:27,468 --> 00:15:31,096 So we were flying back from Vancouver straight to Heathrow 232 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:32,890 and right as we're getting on the plane, 233 00:15:32,973 --> 00:15:35,976 this urgent, urgent message comes through to H saying, 234 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,576 "You are not allowed to see Her Majesty." 235 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:41,774 "Make sure that your principle is aware he cannot go and see her." 236 00:15:41,857 --> 00:15:43,901 "She's busy. She has plans all week." 237 00:15:44,693 --> 00:15:48,697 I was like, "That's certainly the opposite to what she had told me." 238 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:54,078 Once we were back in the UK, I rang her and said, "I'm now told that you're busy." 239 00:15:54,161 --> 00:15:57,001 She goes, "Yes, I didn't know I was busy. I've been told that I'm busy." 240 00:15:57,081 --> 00:15:59,875 "I've been told that I'm busy all week." I was like, "Wow." 241 00:16:04,088 --> 00:16:05,673 And I remember looking at H. 242 00:16:06,256 --> 00:16:07,299 I mean, my gosh, 243 00:16:07,383 --> 00:16:10,302 this is when a family 244 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:14,348 and a family business are in direct conflict. 245 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:20,354 Because they're blocking you from seeing the Queen. 246 00:16:20,437 --> 00:16:24,441 But really what they're doing is blocking a grandson from seeing his grandmother. 247 00:16:27,861 --> 00:16:30,948 Later that afternoon, we found out that this story was coming out. 248 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:35,202 Somehow, the tabloids knew about this proposal. 249 00:16:40,374 --> 00:16:43,627 I think we've known for a while that the couple have been very unhappy 250 00:16:43,711 --> 00:16:46,922 and have been struggling with their public role in the royal family. 251 00:16:47,798 --> 00:16:49,508 His dad said, "Put it in writing." 252 00:16:50,092 --> 00:16:51,844 And he did, and it was just five days later 253 00:16:51,927 --> 00:16:53,527 it was on the front page of a newspaper. 254 00:16:54,138 --> 00:16:56,491 There's a lot of speculation that perhaps Canada, 255 00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:59,601 which is where Meghan lived before marrying into the royal family. 256 00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:01,937 It became clear that the institution 257 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:05,774 leaked the fact that we were going to be moving back to Canada. 258 00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:10,654 And the key piece of that story that made me aware 259 00:17:10,738 --> 00:17:15,117 that the contents of the letter between me and my father had been leaked 260 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,037 was that we were willing to relinquish our Sussex titles. 261 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:19,705 That was the giveaway. 262 00:17:22,916 --> 00:17:24,043 And I was like, "Wow." 263 00:17:24,126 --> 00:17:29,757 Our story, our life, literally got taken from underneath us. 264 00:17:34,678 --> 00:17:37,139 You could feel the ticking clock at that point. 265 00:17:37,639 --> 00:17:39,391 So with our team, 266 00:17:39,475 --> 00:17:41,518 we decided we would put out a statement 267 00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:46,398 that we were going to sadly be stepping back. 268 00:17:46,482 --> 00:17:50,277 Not stepping down, but to just have a reduced role. 269 00:18:03,165 --> 00:18:04,750 For my whole life, 270 00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:08,420 the purse strings had been controlled by my father. 271 00:18:09,129 --> 00:18:13,175 Within the family, it's normal to have that financial control 272 00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:14,802 over other members of the family. 273 00:18:18,055 --> 00:18:21,058 So the hope was that, it's right there in black and white. 274 00:18:21,141 --> 00:18:23,102 You can see, here's our intention. 275 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,646 Here's how we wish to continue to support the Commonwealth. 276 00:18:25,729 --> 00:18:27,606 Here's how we value our roles 277 00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:30,692 as president and vice-president of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust. 278 00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:33,946 Big surprise from Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. 279 00:18:34,029 --> 00:18:36,323 Reportedly blindsiding the Queen... 280 00:18:36,406 --> 00:18:39,368 Prince Charles and Prince William were only sent a copy 281 00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:42,704 of Harry and Meghan's statement ten minutes before it was released. 282 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:45,207 The Queen got surprised as... Like all of us. 283 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:49,461 It was the fact that they announced it officially on Instagram. 284 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:52,172 This idea that I supposedly blindsided my grandmother. 285 00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:55,134 This would never happen. I have so much respect for her. 286 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:58,428 This has been ongoing for months upon months. 287 00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:02,933 I mean, I think in some people's minds, it was like me going, "Post." 288 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,935 What? 289 00:19:10,899 --> 00:19:14,570 I'd sent an email to the three most senior private secretaries saying, 290 00:19:14,653 --> 00:19:17,865 "Let's get together and have a meeting. Let's talk about this." 291 00:19:17,948 --> 00:19:21,910 Because what was happening, what was playing out in public, was crazy. 292 00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:23,912 That meeting was rejected. 293 00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:31,837 After the announcement, I had to get back, 'cause Archie was in Canada. 294 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,925 And it was only once Meg had left and gone back to Canada 295 00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:38,927 that it was then arranged 296 00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:42,556 that there was going to be a meeting at Sandringham on the following Monday. 297 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:50,189 Imagine a conversation, a round-table discussion, 298 00:19:50,898 --> 00:19:53,150 about the future of your life, 299 00:19:53,233 --> 00:19:54,735 when the stakes are this high, 300 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:58,780 and you as the mom and the wife... 301 00:20:01,408 --> 00:20:05,412 and the target in many regards, 302 00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:08,123 aren't invited to have a seat at the table. 303 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:12,253 It was clear to me that they'd planned it so that you weren't in the room. 304 00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:23,764 But you know, Sandringham... I have such happy memories of Sandringham. 305 00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:32,231 That was where we spent every Christmas. 306 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:37,486 And now I was back there in very different circumstances. 307 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:50,582 Well, it's an historic day for the royal family. 308 00:20:50,666 --> 00:20:53,210 The Queen has called this urgent meeting. 309 00:20:53,293 --> 00:20:54,878 Prince Harry will be there, 310 00:20:54,962 --> 00:20:58,924 of course, along with his brother, Prince William, and Prince Charles. 311 00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:05,031 - Who was that? - The Duke. 312 00:21:05,055 --> 00:21:08,517 They'll be trying to come up with a blueprint for the way forward. 313 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,813 I went in with the same proposal 314 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:15,107 that we'd already, you know, made publicly. 315 00:21:17,317 --> 00:21:21,280 But once I got there, I was given five options. 316 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:25,951 One being, all in, no change. Five being, all out. 317 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:30,372 I chose option three in the meeting. Half in, half out. 318 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:34,918 Have our own jobs, but also work in support of the Queen. 319 00:21:38,255 --> 00:21:42,676 It became very clear very quickly, that goal was not up for discussion or debate. 320 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:48,807 It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me, 321 00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:51,310 and my father say things that just simply weren't true, 322 00:21:51,393 --> 00:21:53,729 and my grandmother, you know, quietly sit there, 323 00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:55,314 and sort of take it all in. 324 00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:59,735 But you have to understand that, from the family's perspective, 325 00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:02,904 especially from hers, there are ways of doing things, 326 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:08,118 and her ultimate sort of mission, goal, slash responsibility is the institution. 327 00:22:10,162 --> 00:22:11,788 People around her are telling her, 328 00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:16,418 "By the way, that proposal, or these two doing X, Y, Z, 329 00:22:16,501 --> 00:22:20,255 is going to be seen as an attack on the institution." 330 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:22,507 Then she's gonna go on the advice that she's given. 331 00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:27,179 It was really hard. 332 00:22:27,262 --> 00:22:31,767 That meeting finished without any, like, solidified action plan. 333 00:22:35,479 --> 00:22:37,189 I think, from their perspective, 334 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:42,402 they had to believe that it was more about us, 335 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:45,364 and maybe the issues that we had, 336 00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:50,118 as opposed to their partner, the media, and themselves, 337 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:53,663 and that relationship that was causing so much pain for us. 338 00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:55,415 They saw what they wanted to see. 339 00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:01,713 Fire! There's a fire! 340 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,093 I mean, the saddest part of it 341 00:23:06,176 --> 00:23:10,597 was this wedge created between myself and my brother, 342 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,809 so that he's now on the institution's side. And I get... Part of that, I get. 343 00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:17,187 I understand, right? That's... That's his inheritance. 344 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:20,816 So to some extent it's already ingrained in him that part of his responsibility 345 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:24,027 is the survivability and the continuation of this institution. 346 00:23:26,488 --> 00:23:28,907 An unbelievably sad breakdown between the brothers. 347 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:32,619 They always used to be in step and they're clearly out of step now. 348 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,788 That day, a story came out 349 00:23:34,871 --> 00:23:37,916 saying that part of the reason why Meghan and I were leaving, 350 00:23:37,999 --> 00:23:40,252 uh, was because William had bullied us out. 351 00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:44,756 And once I got in the car after the meeting, 352 00:23:45,882 --> 00:23:47,968 I was told about a joint statement 353 00:23:48,051 --> 00:23:50,171 that had been put out in my name and my brother's name 354 00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:55,809 squashing the story about him bullying us out of the family. 355 00:23:55,892 --> 00:23:58,520 A sign of public unity from the brothers, 356 00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:00,355 who issued a joint statement, 357 00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:05,068 calling the report "false, offensive, and potentially harmful." 358 00:24:06,903 --> 00:24:09,030 I couldn't believe it. No one had asked me. 359 00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:13,326 No one had asked me permission to put my name to a statement like that. 360 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:21,460 And I rang M and I told her, and she burst into floods of tears, 361 00:24:22,252 --> 00:24:28,383 because within four hours, they were happy to lie to protect my brother, 362 00:24:29,342 --> 00:24:33,722 and yet for three years, they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us. 363 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:39,978 Suddenly what clicked in my head was, "It's never gonna stop." 364 00:24:40,729 --> 00:24:43,982 Every rumor, every negative thing, every lie, 365 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:46,776 everything that I knew wasn't true, 366 00:24:46,860 --> 00:24:49,740 and that the palace knew wasn't true and internally they knew wasn't true 367 00:24:49,779 --> 00:24:51,448 that was just being allowed to fester. 368 00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:56,203 So there was no other option at this point. 369 00:24:57,913 --> 00:24:59,539 I said, "We need to get out of here." 370 00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:01,625 Breaking news, this one out of London. 371 00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:04,395 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are officially moving on. 372 00:25:04,419 --> 00:25:07,547 Announcing they're taking a step back from their royal duties. 373 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:10,050 Trying to do for Meghan what he couldn't do for his mum. 374 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:11,218 Exactly. 375 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:16,264 Nobody could take the attacking and the trolling that she has taken. 376 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:20,393 I know she has felt strongly. This is like getting back some control of her life. 377 00:25:20,477 --> 00:25:21,637 She feels she has no control. 378 00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:28,109 This was Harry's decision to move away 379 00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:31,488 from what he'd obviously imagined was gonna be his future and his destiny. 380 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:34,908 There was always a sense that Meghan had to prove herself. 381 00:25:34,991 --> 00:25:38,411 Prove herself worthy of Britain, prove herself worthy of her husband. 382 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:40,830 Prove herself worthy of her position in the royal family. 383 00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:43,750 It's a lot to ask of any individual. 384 00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:47,295 The British public opinion is that it's all Meghan's fault. 385 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:50,674 I've seen little cartoons of me on all fours with her, 386 00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:53,802 um, holding a dog lead and me wearing the dog collar. 387 00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:56,096 How predictable that, you know, 388 00:25:56,179 --> 00:26:00,308 the woman is to be blamed for the decision of a couple. 389 00:26:00,392 --> 00:26:03,144 In fact, it was my decision. She never asked to leave. 390 00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:06,356 I was the one that had to see it for myself. 391 00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:08,441 But it's misogyny at its best. 392 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:12,654 Some of the tabloids are calling the two "the Rogue Royals" 393 00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:15,073 and describing the move as "Megxit." 394 00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:20,036 I felt the term "Megxit" was just indicative of the frivolousness, 395 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:23,707 the unseriousness, the flippant nature of the tabloid press. 396 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:28,587 It's what happens when you have a press that is devoid of journalism, 397 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:33,174 that lives on outrage and monetizes anger. 398 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,611 She thought it would be tiaras and tea parties. 399 00:26:35,635 --> 00:26:38,888 You can see the manipulation. All the way along the relationship... 400 00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:42,017 Turning their backs on the royal family. 401 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:46,396 They've received the wrath, the full wrath of the media establishment. 402 00:26:46,479 --> 00:26:49,159 Almost like teenagers stamping their foot and saying... 403 00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:52,944 Meghan suddenly realized she wasn't going to be the star of the show. 404 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:56,156 She won't compromise. Everything's got to be her way. 405 00:26:56,656 --> 00:26:59,075 It took what felt like everything from me. 406 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:02,329 Your sense of self, your confidence. 407 00:27:11,921 --> 00:27:14,049 And the truth didn't matter. The clickbait did. 408 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:23,558 We're about two minutes out from the top of the show, so... 409 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:28,521 Good afternoon. I want to welcome Renée DiResta, 410 00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:31,316 Rashad Robinson, and Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex. 411 00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:34,819 Well, Harry, maybe you could help humanize this for us. 412 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:37,947 Just a month ago, a report by Bot Sentinel, 413 00:27:38,031 --> 00:27:40,492 a company that analyzes tweets, 414 00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:45,288 uh, found that a very small number of anti-Meghan and Harry accounts 415 00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:49,084 were responsible for a huge percentage of the hateful content 416 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:50,877 about you on Twitter. 417 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,755 Misinformation is a global humanitarian crisis. 418 00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:55,840 Um, as you quite rightly pointed out, 419 00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:57,926 I've felt it personally over the years. 420 00:27:58,009 --> 00:28:02,389 We know that a small group of accounts 421 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,809 are allowed to create a huge amount of chaos online, 422 00:28:05,892 --> 00:28:07,894 and without any consequence whatsoever. 423 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:17,112 Bot Sentinel has looked at everything from QAnon to MAGA, 424 00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:20,657 to COVID disinformation, to climate change disinformation. 425 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,451 We've never seen anything quite like this. 426 00:28:31,084 --> 00:28:33,545 What was interesting to me about that report 427 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:40,176 is that it showed that there were a handful of accounts, 428 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:42,345 that weren't just bots, 429 00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:48,184 but they were people who were highly coordinated and deeply networked 430 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:52,439 and responsible for the vast majority 431 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:55,024 of hate propaganda against the couple. 432 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,904 We looked at 114,000 tweets, 433 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:06,453 and we were able to then determine that 70% of the hateful content 434 00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:09,247 came from just 83 accounts. 435 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:12,375 And they had a reach of 17 million people. 436 00:29:15,211 --> 00:29:16,838 So this is not your everyday trolling. 437 00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:22,677 They were coordinating and talking about 438 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,305 what they would discuss for that particular day or week, 439 00:29:25,388 --> 00:29:27,307 what pictures they should disseminate. 440 00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,267 They were actively recruiting people, 441 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:31,936 telling people how to create multiple accounts. 442 00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:35,774 How to use VPNs, you know, virtual private networks, 443 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:38,193 to hide the IP, so they don't get suspended. 444 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,612 It's insane. 445 00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:43,990 What is it about Meghan Markle that has driven Prince Harry to not only... 446 00:29:44,073 --> 00:29:46,576 In every scenario, who's the victim? 447 00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:48,036 ...because she separated him... 448 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:49,871 And it was done by people 449 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:54,459 who were just not the typical quote-unquote trolls. 450 00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:55,376 These are housewives. 451 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:59,631 These are middle-aged Caucasian women creating just constant attacks, 452 00:29:59,714 --> 00:30:03,927 from "Go back to America," to basically, you know, "Why don't you die?" 453 00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:13,978 Samantha Markle was part of the group 454 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:16,981 that was putting out a lot of this disinformation. 455 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:20,777 Samantha had her account suspended. 456 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:23,238 And then we actually sent Twitter a list 457 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:25,949 because she had, like, 11 additional accounts. 458 00:30:27,075 --> 00:30:30,161 And yeah, we were baffled by this. 459 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:35,542 How can the half-sister of Meghan 460 00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:37,502 be part of a hate group? 461 00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:50,473 Perhaps the most troubling part of this is the number of British journalists 462 00:30:50,557 --> 00:30:53,101 interacting with and amplifying the hate and the lies. 463 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:56,813 When a lie spreads on social media, it's dangerous. Of course it is. 464 00:30:56,896 --> 00:31:02,652 But when that same lie is given, uh, credibility by journalists or publishers, 465 00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:05,613 it's unethical, and as far as I'm concerned, an abuse of power. 466 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,411 For the main hate accounts, 467 00:31:11,494 --> 00:31:14,747 their primary motive is monetizing this stuff. 468 00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:19,711 But the secondary accounts, it's about hatred. 469 00:31:19,794 --> 00:31:22,589 It's about, you know... You know, race. 470 00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:35,435 And the focus was predominantly on Meghan. 471 00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:41,816 Comparing her to, for example, you know, a monkey. 472 00:31:42,442 --> 00:31:45,153 So then also, there would be derogatory terms 473 00:31:45,236 --> 00:31:48,239 where they would use the N-word on tweets. 474 00:31:50,199 --> 00:31:54,954 The seriousness of what has happened to her and what happened, 475 00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:57,707 what happened to us, and what continues to happen to her, 476 00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,043 that needs to be acknowledged. 477 00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:02,962 Also I think for people to really understand, 478 00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:07,258 you know when you plant a seed that is so hateful, 479 00:32:08,259 --> 00:32:09,385 what it can grow into. 480 00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:11,512 I mean, just a couple of days ago, 481 00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:16,434 I was going through the manual for our security team at home, 482 00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:19,187 and on one of the pages that I happened to flip to, 483 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,731 it was about online monitoring, and they're like, 484 00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:23,274 "If you see a tweet like this, 485 00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:26,110 please report it to the head of security immediately." 486 00:32:26,194 --> 00:32:29,530 It just said, "Meghan just needs to die." 487 00:32:30,156 --> 00:32:32,325 "Someone needs to kill her. Maybe it should be me." 488 00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:34,160 And I was just like... 489 00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:40,041 "Okay." That's, like, what's actually out in the world 490 00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:42,919 because of people creating hate. 491 00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:45,671 And I'm a mom. 492 00:32:46,422 --> 00:32:48,007 That's my real life. 493 00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:52,512 You know? And that's the piece when you see it and you go... 494 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:55,461 "You are making people want to kill me." 495 00:32:56,432 --> 00:33:00,103 It's not just a tabloid. It's not just some story. 496 00:33:02,188 --> 00:33:03,731 You are making me scared. 497 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:08,403 Right? And like that night, to be up and down in the middle of the night, 498 00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,090 looking down my hallway, like, "Are we safe? Are the doors locked?" 499 00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:13,825 "Is security on? Is everything..." That's real. 500 00:33:15,201 --> 00:33:16,411 "Are my babies safe?" 501 00:33:18,454 --> 00:33:20,039 And you've created it for what? 502 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:25,461 Because you're bored, or because it sells your papers? 503 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:28,765 It makes you feel better about your own life? 504 00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:30,550 It's real what you're doing. 505 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,847 And that's the piece I don't think people fully understand. 506 00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:40,268 "It's wonderfully good of you, snake, but no, I'm having a feast with a..." 507 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:41,185 Gruffalo! 508 00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:43,688 "A gruffalo? What's a gruffalo?" 509 00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:48,609 Was that a good song? 510 00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:51,195 That was such a good song. It was awesome. 511 00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:54,490 Do you want me to play it again, Mama? 512 00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:56,534 Yes, please, thank you. Okay. 513 00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:02,040 Let's be clear about what's actually at stake here. 514 00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:05,168 It's like symbolic annihilation. 515 00:34:05,251 --> 00:34:11,716 If you can destroy people who are symbols of social justice, 516 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:17,513 then you can scare people to not want to be public. 517 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,893 It is a way to signal to the rest of us to stand down. 518 00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:32,528 When you whip up enough people into a fervent of hate, 519 00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:37,742 it's not one of those cases of sticks and stones may break my bones 520 00:34:37,825 --> 00:34:40,078 but words can never hurt me. 521 00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:44,540 They can kill you. The threat is real. 522 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,591 Exhale. 523 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:59,305 Remember that what is transpiring in the media, 524 00:34:59,388 --> 00:35:01,474 what's being created, is an illusion. 525 00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:05,520 When you try to prove that you're good 526 00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,897 and that you're not the person they say you are, 527 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,859 you're taking the bait, you're feeding the beast. 528 00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:13,485 It is an illusion. 529 00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:18,116 Your work is not to prove your goodness. 530 00:35:18,991 --> 00:35:20,827 You know who you are. Both of you. 531 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:24,747 And whenever you're ready, you can open your eyes. 532 00:35:32,171 --> 00:35:35,675 As sad as it is, in order for change to happen, 533 00:35:35,758 --> 00:35:38,136 sometimes a lot of pain has to come to the surface. 534 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:42,181 In order for us to be able to move to the next chapter, 535 00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:43,933 you've got to finish the first chapter. 536 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,650 We both came back in March from Canada. 537 00:35:56,863 --> 00:36:00,616 And that was our sort of farewell week. 538 00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:07,123 We were going through so many boxes, 539 00:36:07,206 --> 00:36:10,918 literally looking at everything going, "Oh my gosh, this blanket I missed." 540 00:36:11,002 --> 00:36:12,295 "That hat was so funny." 541 00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:16,090 Just taking it all in. 542 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:20,803 And it really gave us a chance to just... 543 00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:26,225 To look back at our whole love story. 544 00:36:28,644 --> 00:36:35,109 ♪ I just wanted you to know That I loved you better ♪ 545 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,777 ♪ Than your own kin did... ♪ 546 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:40,573 We always saw Archie running around the garden at Frogmore Cottage, 547 00:36:40,656 --> 00:36:42,450 and maybe jumping in the Queen's Pond. 548 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:46,954 That was all part of our future, and everything changed really, really quickly. 549 00:36:49,248 --> 00:36:52,168 We knew we were gonna get some breathing space from this... 550 00:36:52,251 --> 00:36:55,338 This very painful experience that we'd been stuck in. 551 00:36:55,421 --> 00:36:58,466 But also, at the same time, it was really sad. 552 00:37:00,676 --> 00:37:06,224 I often think about, in any relationship, oftentimes, 553 00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:09,143 when a guy falls in love with a girl, 554 00:37:09,852 --> 00:37:12,480 his buddies are like, "Oh my God, he changed." 555 00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:15,775 "I don't see him anymore. He's always with her." 556 00:37:15,858 --> 00:37:17,276 And you blame the girl. 557 00:37:18,611 --> 00:37:22,531 They're angry with her because she's the thing that took him away. 558 00:37:22,615 --> 00:37:26,535 And that's whether you're in a small town or a big city or in the royal family. 559 00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:32,792 He wouldn't have ever been attracted to or interested in me 560 00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:35,002 if he hadn't already been on his own path. 561 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,047 ♪ Come on back... ♪ 562 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:42,009 Most people need to find someone to blame. 563 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:44,595 ♪ Now... ♪ 564 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:48,516 To try to, like, reconcile how you're feeling, 'cause something's changed, 565 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:51,435 and you don't like it, and what's the thing that's different? 566 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,605 "This all changed when you got here. So it's your fault." 567 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:58,859 But you need to blame me. 568 00:38:00,236 --> 00:38:02,363 Also if you can blame me, then you have no fault. 569 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,619 So that last week was... 570 00:38:10,246 --> 00:38:11,330 It was bittersweet. 571 00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:15,501 ♪ And see me when you can ♪ 572 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:18,129 ♪ Yeah ♪ 573 00:38:18,796 --> 00:38:21,007 Meghan and Harry, all smiles tonight. 574 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:23,551 The royal farewell tour in high gear. 575 00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:27,513 Meghan back in the UK for the first time since the couple's dramatic decision 576 00:38:27,596 --> 00:38:30,349 to step down as senior working royals. 577 00:38:30,433 --> 00:38:34,103 That farewell week, we did all these engagements back-to-back. 578 00:38:34,186 --> 00:38:36,731 It was just like... It was a real whirlwind. 579 00:38:37,773 --> 00:38:40,318 Five engagements in five days. 580 00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:44,488 Until that last week in the UK, I rarely wore color. 581 00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:47,742 I never wanted to upstage or ruffle any feathers. 582 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:50,369 So I just tried to blend in. 583 00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:54,290 - But I wore a lot of color that week. - Yeah. 584 00:38:54,373 --> 00:38:56,417 I just felt like, "Let's just look like a rainbow." 585 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:02,214 ♪ She comes in colors everywhere ♪ 586 00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:04,759 ♪ She combs her hair ♪ 587 00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:08,179 ♪ She's like a rainbow ♪ 588 00:39:08,804 --> 00:39:11,057 ♪ Coming, colors in the air ♪ 589 00:39:11,932 --> 00:39:13,184 ♪ Oh, everywhere ♪ 590 00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:16,604 ♪ She comes in colors... ♪ 591 00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:25,196 We weren't with the family. It was our opportunity to go out with a bang. 592 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:28,324 A lot of you tonight have told me you have my back. 593 00:39:28,407 --> 00:39:31,285 Well, I'm also here to tell you, I've always got yours. 594 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,164 It never needed to be this way. 595 00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,875 We talked about this over and over again. 596 00:39:39,251 --> 00:39:42,338 Sitting up late in the kitchen after these late night engagements, saying, 597 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,567 "We would have carried on doing this for the rest of our lives." 598 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:48,135 ♪ She's like a rainbow... ♪ 599 00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:49,553 I thought, "The public, 600 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:51,972 if they've been fed these lies for two years, 601 00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:53,557 what do they think of me?" 602 00:39:55,434 --> 00:39:56,644 "They must hate us." 603 00:39:57,978 --> 00:39:58,978 No. 604 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,488 The people were just so embracing. 605 00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:12,701 They were sad that we were leaving. And we were sad that we were leaving. 606 00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:14,703 I'm gonna miss the British public. 607 00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:16,455 Not going to miss the British press, uh, 608 00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:19,417 and their followers and their trolls that they create. 609 00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:22,920 I'm gonna miss this country. So is Meghan. 610 00:40:37,893 --> 00:40:41,564 It's one of the great royal family showpieces of the year. 611 00:40:41,647 --> 00:40:46,735 A Westminster Abbey service featuring the Queen along with Charles and Camilla, 612 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,864 William and Kate, even Edward and Sophie. 613 00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:52,408 And last, Harry and Meghan, 614 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:56,162 in their last official role before returning to North America. 615 00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:03,169 The first time that we saw 616 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:07,339 the other members of the family was in public at Westminster Abbey. 617 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,680 This is the last time we'll see the Duke and Duchess of Sussex 618 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,140 with the Queen and the royal family on an engagement. And it's significant. 619 00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:19,602 We were nervous seeing the family, 620 00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:22,730 because all the TV cameras and everybody watching at home 621 00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:26,317 and everybody watching in the audience, it's like living through a soap opera, 622 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:30,237 where you... everybody else views you as entertainment. 623 00:41:30,905 --> 00:41:33,991 You really do have to wonder what was going through their minds 624 00:41:34,074 --> 00:41:36,327 as they were going through the motions of this, 625 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:38,496 given what's going on in the background. 626 00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:42,333 I felt really distant from my family, 627 00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:45,711 which was interesting, because so much of how they operate 628 00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:48,756 is about what it looks like, rather than what it feels like. 629 00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,550 And it looked cold. 630 00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:53,886 But it also felt cold. 631 00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:59,576 In the services we saw today, they weren't even in the procession. 632 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,978 That also sort of showing where things are automatically changing. 633 00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:05,439 When you see how successful they have been 634 00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:06,899 at their public engagements, 635 00:42:06,982 --> 00:42:09,401 you see what an incredible loss this is to the royal family. 636 00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:13,280 But also, you really have to wonder how it was possible 637 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:17,409 that something could not be worked out to keep them within the fold. 638 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:24,542 We had left Westminster Abbey, and then that was it. 639 00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:28,712 I had to go to the airport. We were racing to catch my flight. 640 00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:31,757 We were cutting it so close, but I wanted to get back home to Archie. 641 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,468 Yeah. Back to Buckingham Palace, changed. 642 00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:38,222 Unpinned the hat. Quickly took this green dress off. 643 00:42:40,724 --> 00:42:44,353 Threw on some clothes for the plane. I was saying goodbye. 644 00:42:48,732 --> 00:42:50,172 Of course it was emotional. 645 00:42:58,492 --> 00:42:59,702 We get on the plane. 646 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:04,665 And it's not the pilot, but whoever is sort of overseeing the crew, 647 00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:10,129 and he came and he knelt next to my seat and he took his hat off, 648 00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:13,260 and I just remember looking at him, and he goes, 649 00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:16,427 "We appreciate everything you did for our country." 650 00:43:20,139 --> 00:43:23,183 And it was the first time that I felt like someone 651 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:27,187 saw the sacrifice. 652 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:30,983 Not for my own country. 653 00:43:33,235 --> 00:43:35,738 For this country, that's not mine. 654 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,036 We landed in Canada and one of our security guards, 655 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,456 who had been with H for so long, and these guys were so wonderful, 656 00:43:45,539 --> 00:43:48,709 I just collapsed in his arms, crying. 657 00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:51,003 I was like, "I tried so hard." 658 00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:54,381 He goes, "I know you did. I know you did, ma'am, I know you did." 659 00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:57,635 Like, I tried so hard. 660 00:44:02,056 --> 00:44:04,558 And that's the piece that's so triggering, 'cause you go, 661 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,352 "And it still wasn't good enough. 662 00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,229 And you still don't fit in." 663 00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:26,473 It was impossible not to feel emotional investment 664 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:31,293 as a Black British person watching Meghan enter this institution, 665 00:44:31,377 --> 00:44:33,003 uh, and become this icon, 666 00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:38,175 this figure that we all had these high hopes for. 667 00:44:40,052 --> 00:44:45,766 Part of what made the inability of the palace to defend Meghan 668 00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:47,643 an even bigger disaster 669 00:44:47,726 --> 00:44:51,730 is at the center of the argument for the monarchy 670 00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:53,524 in this country is the Commonwealth. 671 00:44:54,608 --> 00:44:59,363 The Commonwealth is 2.5 billion, mainly Black and brown people. 672 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:05,160 Here was a woman who just looked like most of the people in the Commonwealth, 673 00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:09,456 and they somehow, for some reason, 674 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:14,128 couldn't find the capacity to protect her, 675 00:45:14,211 --> 00:45:17,214 to represent her, to stand by her, 676 00:45:17,297 --> 00:45:21,844 to take on vested power in her name, to fight for her. 677 00:45:26,682 --> 00:45:30,144 One of the big questions facing modern Britain is 678 00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:33,605 "What do we choose our symbols and institutions to be? 679 00:45:35,816 --> 00:45:40,028 And are they inclusive? Or are they continuing that history of exclusion?" 680 00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:44,241 And when a member of the royal family visits one of these countries, 681 00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:48,328 it creates an awkward moment for the British government. 682 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:50,038 Sending a shout out 683 00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:52,958 to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge 684 00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:55,544 and the entire royal family 685 00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:58,672 that reparation time comes now. 686 00:46:04,887 --> 00:46:07,681 There's a tipping point, a generational change, 687 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:12,060 and a moment in which events are sort of coalescing. 688 00:46:12,644 --> 00:46:15,647 ...from this day and forever, 689 00:46:15,731 --> 00:46:20,360 declare Barbados a parliamentary republic. 690 00:46:20,861 --> 00:46:23,614 In 2021, Barbados made the decision 691 00:46:23,697 --> 00:46:26,450 to replace the Queen as the head of state. 692 00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:30,537 That makes it more likely that other nations will follow. 693 00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:34,708 There are renewed calls this evening for Jamaica to take steps 694 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,044 to remove the Queen as head of state. 695 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,130 Anyone inside that system, whether it's my family, 696 00:46:40,214 --> 00:46:43,133 whether it's staff, whether it's PR, whoever it is, 697 00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:48,096 have already missed an enormous opportunity with my wife, 698 00:46:49,014 --> 00:46:51,558 and how far that would go globally. 699 00:46:59,483 --> 00:47:02,277 Their relationship presented the idea that Britain can change, 700 00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:08,158 that the most intractable, traditional parts of Britain can reform and evolve. 701 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:14,748 Their departure felt like the death of a dream. 702 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,845 Um, hi. So we're here on, 703 00:47:29,137 --> 00:47:31,014 uh, Tues... Wednesday. 704 00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:33,308 Wednesday, the something of March. 705 00:47:33,392 --> 00:47:37,187 These next few months is when we're gonna be at our most vulnerable. 706 00:47:37,271 --> 00:47:40,732 Uh, when the press will no doubt create some sort of feeding frenzy. 707 00:47:42,526 --> 00:47:46,488 The Duke of Sussex stepping off his plane as you can see there. 708 00:47:46,572 --> 00:47:49,616 Clearly a number of questions still to be answered. 709 00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:53,495 Will they still get royal protection when they live overseas? 710 00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,457 By the time that I got back from the UK after that March trip, 711 00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:59,543 the whole place was completely surrounded. 712 00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:03,046 Boats in the water, cars on the drive, 713 00:48:03,964 --> 00:48:07,968 individuals trying to jump over the fence and take photographs over the wall. 714 00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:11,638 It was... Yeah, it was... I'd never experienced that before. 715 00:48:12,347 --> 00:48:14,516 I've just been, I've just seen this bloke. 716 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,018 He looked at me as I drove in. 717 00:48:16,768 --> 00:48:19,396 M asked me, "Would they remove our security?" 718 00:48:19,479 --> 00:48:22,399 I said, "They'll never do that." Meghan's background, her heritage, 719 00:48:22,482 --> 00:48:24,902 the well-documented hate campaigns against us, 720 00:48:24,985 --> 00:48:28,155 suspicious packages being sent to the palaces, 721 00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:30,365 specifically with her name on or my name on. 722 00:48:31,074 --> 00:48:34,194 She said, "Do you think they'll do it?" I said, "No, they would never do that." 723 00:48:34,578 --> 00:48:35,412 And they did it. 724 00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:40,667 They've decided our security will be removed on 31st March, 725 00:48:40,751 --> 00:48:45,213 thereby leaving me less than three weeks, um, to find security for my family. 726 00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:50,010 And I'm worried. I am genuinely concerned, um, for the safety of my family. 727 00:48:51,637 --> 00:48:55,140 And then, just like that, this thing called COVID. 728 00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:57,911 Officials now say more than 400 people have been sickened... 729 00:48:57,935 --> 00:48:59,978 And at that moment, our location was exposed. 730 00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:02,105 We knew our security was being pulled. 731 00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:05,776 Everyone in the world knew where we were, so we weren't gonna be safe there. 732 00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:07,235 The AP is now reporting 733 00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:10,530 Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's wife, Sophie, 734 00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,617 has tested positive for Coronavirus. 735 00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,300 They're gonna close the border. 736 00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:19,039 Without question, they're gonna close the border in no time. 737 00:49:20,666 --> 00:49:21,750 Stay, stay. 738 00:49:23,919 --> 00:49:28,215 There comes a point when you're worried about what, 739 00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:30,050 what could happen next, 740 00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:33,971 and therefore, you've got to do what I guess any husband and father would do, 741 00:49:34,054 --> 00:49:35,639 which is get the hell out of there. 742 00:49:44,856 --> 00:49:47,818 ♪ Everybody's talking at me ♪ 743 00:49:49,069 --> 00:49:51,488 ♪ I don't hear a word they're saying ♪ 744 00:49:52,906 --> 00:49:57,619 ♪ Only the echoes of my mind ♪ 745 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,208 ♪ People stopping, staring ♪ 746 00:50:04,751 --> 00:50:07,629 ♪ I can't see their faces ♪ 747 00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:13,343 ♪ Only the shadows of their eyes ♪ 748 00:50:15,762 --> 00:50:21,643 ♪ I'm going where the sun keeps shining Through the pouring rain ♪ 749 00:50:23,311 --> 00:50:29,901 ♪ Going where the weather Suits my clothes ♪ 750 00:50:30,986 --> 00:50:34,656 ♪ Banking off of the northeast winds ♪ 751 00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:37,534 ♪ Sailing on a summer breeze ♪ 752 00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:44,207 ♪ And skipping over the ocean Like a stone ♪ 753 00:50:46,251 --> 00:50:49,838 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 754 00:50:49,921 --> 00:50:54,134 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 755 00:50:54,217 --> 00:51:00,682 ♪ Oh ♪ 756 00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,395 ♪ I'm going where the sun keeps shining ♪ 66326

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