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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,700 [switch clicks] 4 00:00:17,767 --> 00:00:22,300 {\an8}[voice playing on record] 5 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:40,700 These tapes, they were meant to be confidential. 6 00:00:40,767 --> 00:00:42,900 They were never meant to be released. 7 00:00:42,967 --> 00:00:46,000 {\an8}[voice playing on record] 8 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,100 Knowing that these tapes exist, 9 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,800 I'm totally flabbergasted. 10 00:00:58,867 --> 00:01:00,000 I can't even believe it. 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 I can't even believe it. 12 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,967 {\an8}[voice playing on record] 13 00:01:16,967 --> 00:01:20,200 I've covered many many murder stories in my 14 00:01:20,266 --> 00:01:22,867 forty eight year career on television. 15 00:01:22,867 --> 00:01:25,567 And what happened on these murders, 16 00:01:25,567 --> 00:01:28,166 and how these poor young victims died, 17 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,000 turned my stomach. 18 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,367 {\an8}[voice playing on record] 19 00:01:37,767 --> 00:01:38,934 It came a point where, 20 00:01:38,934 --> 00:01:41,100 it was almost like you picked up the newspaper 21 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:43,700 and it would be another murder. 22 00:01:44,467 --> 00:01:47,600 {\an8}[voice playing on record] 23 00:01:54,567 --> 00:01:57,967 This guy had to be stopped. And so, as a citizen, 24 00:01:57,967 --> 00:02:00,000 I did what I had to do. 25 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,266 I did what I had to do. 26 00:02:07,967 --> 00:02:09,700 [waves splashing] 27 00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:20,100 Well back in the '70s, 28 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:22,500 there was a feeling at that time that 29 00:02:22,567 --> 00:02:23,667 people wanted to be free. 30 00:02:29,266 --> 00:02:30,000 Hitchhiking was very popular. 31 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Hitchhiking was very popular. 32 00:02:31,767 --> 00:02:35,667 The young people, specially the men, would hitchhike. 33 00:02:35,667 --> 00:02:38,166 It was very perfectly safe. 34 00:02:38,166 --> 00:02:43,000 My name is Ronald E Bowers. Back in 1979, 35 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,200 I was a senior prosecutor for the Los Angeles County 36 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:47,467 District Attorney's Office. 37 00:02:54,667 --> 00:02:58,600 Marcus Grabs was a west German exchange student. 38 00:02:58,667 --> 00:03:00,000 He'd come to the United States. 39 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 He'd come to the United States. 40 00:03:01,266 --> 00:03:04,066 Didn't have a lot of money, so he was hitchhiking. 41 00:03:07,567 --> 00:03:10,000 Marcus Grabs came to Newport Beach. 42 00:03:10,867 --> 00:03:13,400 He spent the day or two there, 43 00:03:13,467 --> 00:03:15,467 but then he wanted to go up the coast 44 00:03:15,467 --> 00:03:17,367 and see more of California. 45 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,467 So he had his backpack all packed, 46 00:03:21,467 --> 00:03:25,200 and he walked over to the Pacific Coast Highway... 47 00:03:31,266 --> 00:03:33,800 {\an8}[voices playing on record] 48 00:04:40,767 --> 00:04:41,867 {\an8}[man 1 speaking] 49 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:44,100 {\an8}[man 2 speaking] 50 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,400 [newscaster] Marcus Grabs, seventeen, west Germany 51 00:04:54,467 --> 00:04:57,667 was discovered stabbed to death in the Tapis Park area, 52 00:04:57,667 --> 00:04:58,967 north of Malibu. 53 00:04:58,967 --> 00:05:00,000 Forensic tests have shown that Grabs 54 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 Forensic tests have shown that Grabs 55 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:03,066 had been sexually assaulted. 56 00:05:03,066 --> 00:05:05,100 [camera shutter clicks] 57 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,867 [indistinct radio chatter] 58 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:25,667 [Ronald] The police are wondering, this seemed very strange. 59 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:30,000 In such a remote location, a nude body of a young man. 60 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:30,467 In such a remote location, a nude body of a young man. 61 00:05:32,367 --> 00:05:35,467 But there were no clues. There was nothing at the crime scene 62 00:05:35,467 --> 00:05:38,000 that tipped off who could've done it. 63 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,000 [siren blaring] 64 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,500 The police, they needed to find evidence. 65 00:05:42,567 --> 00:05:44,967 But back in the '70s, 66 00:05:44,967 --> 00:05:47,066 we didn't have all the forensic technology 67 00:05:47,066 --> 00:05:48,333 that we have today. 68 00:05:49,667 --> 00:05:53,467 That was when they contacted different homicide bureaus 69 00:05:53,467 --> 00:05:56,967 asking them if there's any similar sex crimes 70 00:05:56,967 --> 00:06:00,000 they're investigating. And they said, yes there was. 71 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:00,467 they're investigating. And they said, yes there was. 72 00:06:02,667 --> 00:06:06,000 There was a young man in the San Fernando Valley 73 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,867 and he disappeared. 74 00:06:15,567 --> 00:06:17,800 [Brenda] I always remember the '70s as 75 00:06:17,867 --> 00:06:19,166 being the best time of my life. 76 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:24,300 This is the house that Tommy and I grew up in. 77 00:06:24,367 --> 00:06:26,867 And back in the '70s, 78 00:06:26,867 --> 00:06:29,367 there was a lot of kids playing in the street here. 79 00:06:29,367 --> 00:06:30,000 We used to play baseball a lot. 80 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 We used to play baseball a lot. 81 00:06:32,967 --> 00:06:34,500 My name is Brenda Axtell, 82 00:06:34,567 --> 00:06:36,266 and I lived in the San Fernando Valley. 83 00:06:41,367 --> 00:06:46,400 My brother Tommy was really, always hustled to get money. 84 00:06:46,467 --> 00:06:48,567 And one of the things, he got a job 85 00:06:48,567 --> 00:06:50,467 selling flowers on the street corners. 86 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:57,867 It was probably about seven o'clock in the evening. 87 00:06:57,867 --> 00:07:00,000 My mother, she was acting very strange, 88 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,000 My mother, she was acting very strange, 89 00:07:02,867 --> 00:07:04,800 and I said what's wrong, and she said 90 00:07:04,867 --> 00:07:07,567 "Tommy hasn't come home yet." 91 00:07:10,767 --> 00:07:12,800 An hour went by, another hour went by 92 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:14,567 and then I was talking to my dad, 93 00:07:14,567 --> 00:07:16,467 my dad was watching TV 94 00:07:16,467 --> 00:07:20,266 and the 11 o'clock news came on. 95 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:22,667 [newscaster] The nude body of a young boy was was found off 96 00:07:22,667 --> 00:07:24,300 Mulholland Highway today. 97 00:07:24,367 --> 00:07:27,667 Stabbed multiple times, and sexually mutilated. 98 00:07:27,667 --> 00:07:29,467 Investigators say the body... 99 00:07:29,467 --> 00:07:30,000 [Brenda] I just remember my dad flying out of the chair. 100 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000 [Brenda] I just remember my dad flying out of the chair. 101 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,567 He called the Sheriff's Department 102 00:07:36,567 --> 00:07:38,467 and asked about it, 103 00:07:38,467 --> 00:07:40,600 and they said why do you want to know about this and he said 104 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:41,967 because I think it's my son. 105 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,266 It was him. 106 00:07:48,667 --> 00:07:53,400 And he was pretty much unrecognizable almost, so... 107 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:59,266 You can't even really explain it. 108 00:07:59,266 --> 00:08:00,000 The devastation it causes. 109 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 The devastation it causes. 110 00:08:14,567 --> 00:08:17,000 [Ronald] In many cases, homicide detectives 111 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,467 don't have all the pieces. 112 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:20,266 But, in this case, 113 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:23,367 one of the few things they had to work on was 114 00:08:23,367 --> 00:08:27,467 Marcus Grabs and Tommy Lundgren were 115 00:08:27,467 --> 00:08:29,600 found in the very same area. 116 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:34,700 And there was also the coroner doing the autopsy, 117 00:08:34,767 --> 00:08:38,767 noticed that each one of the boys had been sodomized. 118 00:08:39,367 --> 00:08:41,200 So, is there a connection? 119 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:56,600 [Dave] In 1979, I was 29 years old. 120 00:08:56,667 --> 00:08:58,767 And it had always been my dream to become 121 00:08:58,767 --> 00:09:00,000 a reporter at a big time TV station. 122 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 a reporter at a big time TV station. 123 00:09:02,166 --> 00:09:03,400 My name is Dave Lopez. 124 00:09:03,467 --> 00:09:07,000 I was the main street reporter in Southern California 125 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,266 in the late '70s. 126 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,467 I covered, you know, all kinds of stories. 127 00:09:13,467 --> 00:09:16,800 Political stories, crime obviously, 128 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,667 but, on this young man, 129 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:21,667 a 13 year old boy, in the Valley... 130 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:27,166 People moved to the Valley to get away from the crime, 131 00:09:27,166 --> 00:09:28,767 so they felt safe. 132 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,000 And so to have someone just disappear, 133 00:09:33,066 --> 00:09:35,367 he's just a young 13 year old kid, 134 00:09:35,367 --> 00:09:37,467 who wanted to make a few bucks and uh, 135 00:09:37,467 --> 00:09:39,000 you know, minding his own business. 136 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,767 How preposterous is it, 137 00:09:44,767 --> 00:09:47,867 that that person would become a murder victim. 138 00:09:52,767 --> 00:09:56,600 In that particular area, obviously it becomes big news. 139 00:09:56,667 --> 00:09:58,800 But it took a while before 140 00:09:58,867 --> 00:10:00,000 the mainstream news media became aware... 141 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 the mainstream news media became aware... 142 00:10:01,166 --> 00:10:03,266 "Hey, wait a minute. We've got a real 143 00:10:03,266 --> 00:10:05,000 heavy duty sexual predator out there." 144 00:10:06,467 --> 00:10:10,600 [newscaster] A body of an unidentified male was found... 145 00:10:10,667 --> 00:10:12,300 [continues indistinctly] 146 00:10:14,767 --> 00:10:18,266 Five days after Marcus Grabs body was found, 147 00:10:19,467 --> 00:10:23,967 a third body was found in San Bernardino County. 148 00:10:23,967 --> 00:10:26,700 That had been there for maybe a week. 149 00:10:27,266 --> 00:10:29,066 It was Mark Shelton. 150 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:39,000 Homicide Sheriffs are wondering what is going on. 151 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:43,266 So the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department 152 00:10:43,266 --> 00:10:46,000 contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department 153 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:47,767 to see if there is 154 00:10:47,767 --> 00:10:49,867 something that they might have that's similar. 155 00:10:49,867 --> 00:10:53,467 And they said, yes, there was. There were some young men 156 00:10:53,467 --> 00:10:56,000 who were nude, who were sexually molested, 157 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,000 and they were found in a remote location. 158 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:00,000 That began the sharing of information between the 159 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 That began the sharing of information between the 160 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:04,000 different homicide bureaus. 161 00:11:04,066 --> 00:11:07,867 Because, was there a serial killer on the loose? 162 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,367 [newscaster] A body found on Monday was identified 163 00:11:26,367 --> 00:11:28,166 as Donald Ray Hayden. 164 00:11:28,166 --> 00:11:30,100 fifteen, of Hollywood. 165 00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:32,767 He'd been stabbed to death and sexually molested 166 00:11:32,767 --> 00:11:34,467 before being left in the dumpster 167 00:11:34,467 --> 00:11:36,500 just north of the Ventura Freeway. 168 00:11:37,967 --> 00:11:40,166 The Hayden murder is already being considered 169 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:41,103 the fourth body 170 00:11:41,103 --> 00:11:41,300 the fourth body 171 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:42,000 in a series that includes three other killings 172 00:11:43,567 --> 00:11:45,066 over the past few months. 173 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:48,166 [radio buzzing] 174 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:50,266 I remember talking to a couple of the 175 00:11:50,266 --> 00:11:51,967 Orange county investigators. 176 00:11:51,967 --> 00:11:56,800 I think I found out after the fourth murder, 177 00:11:56,867 --> 00:11:58,767 that there was some kind of connection to this. 178 00:11:58,767 --> 00:12:01,300 {\an8}Only because of the way these kids were being 179 00:12:01,367 --> 00:12:05,300 {\an8}brutally killed in almost the same scenario. 180 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,567 The one thing that police had in those days is, you know, 181 00:12:09,567 --> 00:12:10,600 they kept stats. 182 00:12:10,667 --> 00:12:11,103 So when this came along, and you started having 183 00:12:11,103 --> 00:12:12,000 So when this came along, and you started having 184 00:12:14,266 --> 00:12:17,867 an influx, an unbelievable rise in these 185 00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:21,100 vicious, horrendous murders, 186 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,867 they knew something was wrong. 187 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,600 I kept bugging these guys, over and over again 188 00:12:28,667 --> 00:12:30,166 about a connection. 189 00:12:34,767 --> 00:12:37,800 [newscaster] This is a channel two special presentation. 190 00:12:39,166 --> 00:12:40,867 The scene always looks the same, 191 00:12:40,867 --> 00:12:41,103 a young, white, thin male, completely nude. 192 00:12:41,103 --> 00:12:42,000 a young, white, thin male, completely nude. 193 00:12:43,767 --> 00:12:46,000 Signs of strangulation, many with rope burns 194 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,867 around the ankles and wrists. 195 00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:50,300 And the big question is, who and how many people 196 00:12:50,367 --> 00:12:52,467 are responsible for these murders? 197 00:12:52,467 --> 00:12:56,000 {\an8}We're not formulating any speculations beyond 198 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,266 {\an8}this homicide now, 199 00:12:57,266 --> 00:12:59,500 but neither are we closing our minds 200 00:12:59,567 --> 00:13:01,100 to the facts that there are 201 00:13:01,166 --> 00:13:03,100 other cases here in Los Angeles 202 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:05,266 and outside of Los Angeles that 203 00:13:05,266 --> 00:13:08,200 are so far unsolved homicides. 204 00:13:08,266 --> 00:13:10,266 Investigators are very reluctant 205 00:13:10,266 --> 00:13:11,103 to answer that question. 206 00:13:11,103 --> 00:13:11,567 to answer that question. 207 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:19,600 [Vonda] Knowing that these tapes exist, 208 00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:22,567 I'm mesmerized. 209 00:13:22,567 --> 00:13:27,367 I'm about to listen to this man's voice 210 00:13:27,367 --> 00:13:31,367 that I have not heard for 40 years. 211 00:13:31,367 --> 00:13:35,367 I'm Dr. Vonda Pelto, Clinical Psychologist, 212 00:13:35,367 --> 00:13:40,100 hired into the Los Angeles County Men's Jail 213 00:13:40,166 --> 00:13:41,103 where I saw William Bonin on many occasions. 214 00:13:41,103 --> 00:13:42,000 where I saw William Bonin on many occasions. 215 00:13:47,767 --> 00:13:49,266 {\an8}[man 1 speaking] 216 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:54,767 {\an8}[man 2 speaking] 217 00:13:58,967 --> 00:14:01,900 The thing I'm most taken with 218 00:14:01,967 --> 00:14:06,900 is, he could be talking about the Dodger baseball game, 219 00:14:06,967 --> 00:14:10,800 no affect, no remorse. 220 00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:13,867 [switch clicks] 221 00:14:15,367 --> 00:14:16,967 {\an8}[man 1 speaking] 222 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,400 {\an8}[man 2 speaking] 223 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:36,667 Clinicians rarely ever have an opportunity 224 00:14:36,667 --> 00:14:40,767 to really listen to someone who is killed 225 00:14:40,767 --> 00:14:41,103 without any kind of guilt. 226 00:14:41,103 --> 00:14:42,000 without any kind of guilt. 227 00:14:45,567 --> 00:14:48,867 {\an8}[man 2 speaking] 228 00:14:48,867 --> 00:14:52,300 It's unbelievable that this was sitting somewhere 229 00:14:52,367 --> 00:14:55,266 and never exposed to the light. 230 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,367 [helicopter hovering] 231 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:05,867 [Wyatt] By 1980, law enforcement was concerned 232 00:15:05,867 --> 00:15:09,100 that there was a serial killer out there. 233 00:15:09,166 --> 00:15:11,103 We can usually go back to once we've identified the person 234 00:15:11,103 --> 00:15:12,000 We can usually go back to once we've identified the person 235 00:15:13,166 --> 00:15:15,367 to where they were last seen by someone... 236 00:15:15,367 --> 00:15:18,667 It can create panic on the public. 237 00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:22,200 And so, I didn't want to be a part of confirming 238 00:15:22,867 --> 00:15:24,567 it was a serial killer. 239 00:15:24,567 --> 00:15:26,867 Hello. My name is Wyatt Hart. 240 00:15:26,867 --> 00:15:28,667 I was the press information officer 241 00:15:28,667 --> 00:15:31,500 for the Orange County Sheriff's Department. 242 00:15:31,567 --> 00:15:33,767 {\an8}There are some similarities to the cases, yes. 243 00:15:33,767 --> 00:15:35,400 {\an8}[Reporter] Enough to make you think that it's the work 244 00:15:35,467 --> 00:15:36,467 {\an8}of the same person? 245 00:15:37,166 --> 00:15:38,634 Yes, it could be. 246 00:15:38,634 --> 00:15:41,103 [Wyatt] You have to be very careful about what you put out. 247 00:15:41,103 --> 00:15:41,567 [Wyatt] You have to be very careful about what you put out. 248 00:15:41,567 --> 00:15:42,000 It's very important that you give them the information, 249 00:15:44,467 --> 00:15:46,467 but it has to be filtered. 250 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:50,100 We can only assume that that information that is released to the press 251 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:53,266 is also released to the persons involved in these crimes, 252 00:15:53,266 --> 00:15:56,166 which could hamper our investigation. 253 00:15:56,166 --> 00:15:58,867 We kept recommending you know, 254 00:15:58,867 --> 00:16:02,300 and putting out, you know, that, don't hitchhike. 255 00:16:02,367 --> 00:16:04,200 [newscaster] At Marina Highschool in Huntington Beach 256 00:16:04,266 --> 00:16:06,600 and at other high schools in Orange County as well, 257 00:16:06,667 --> 00:16:08,066 the word is out. 258 00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:10,500 Two days ago, in preparing this report, 259 00:16:10,567 --> 00:16:11,103 a trip along Beach Boulevard, 260 00:16:11,103 --> 00:16:12,000 a trip along Beach Boulevard, 261 00:16:12,867 --> 00:16:14,567 and there were no hitchhikers. 262 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:18,000 Dave Lopez was a great help 263 00:16:18,066 --> 00:16:21,066 to law enforcement from CBS News, for example. 264 00:16:21,066 --> 00:16:25,166 Wyatt Hart was this old, wonderful, wonderful man. 265 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,166 Very kind. Very very patient. 266 00:16:29,166 --> 00:16:32,000 And we worked together on television. 267 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,266 I told the story of what the hell was going on, 268 00:16:35,266 --> 00:16:37,700 and he had required the help of the media 269 00:16:37,767 --> 00:16:41,066 to get attention to what they were working on. 270 00:16:41,066 --> 00:16:41,103 [reporter] Flyers have been given to students 271 00:16:41,103 --> 00:16:42,000 [reporter] Flyers have been given to students 272 00:16:42,667 --> 00:16:43,767 and the message is clear. 273 00:16:44,367 --> 00:16:45,734 Don't hitchhike. 274 00:16:45,734 --> 00:16:47,266 [reporter] You're tall, you're thin, you've got blonde hair. 275 00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:49,900 That fits a lot of the people that he has been killing. 276 00:16:50,767 --> 00:16:51,867 Are you frightened? 277 00:16:51,867 --> 00:16:54,066 Well, I can't hitchhike, you know. 278 00:16:54,066 --> 00:16:56,100 I used to hitchhike just to go home. 279 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:57,867 But you can't really do that no more. 280 00:17:00,066 --> 00:17:02,000 [man] The investigators were working 281 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,266 sixteen, 18 hours a day just on this case. 282 00:17:06,767 --> 00:17:11,103 And, as the time went on, you know, series of the killings 283 00:17:11,103 --> 00:17:11,567 And, as the time went on, you know, series of the killings 284 00:17:11,567 --> 00:17:12,000 just continues to build and build and build. 285 00:17:14,767 --> 00:17:18,266 [reporter] 17 year old David Murillo was cycling to a movie theatre. 286 00:17:18,266 --> 00:17:19,800 His body was found near the... 287 00:17:19,867 --> 00:17:22,667 [man] Now we're in February of 1980. 288 00:17:23,767 --> 00:17:25,266 [reporter] 18 year old Robert Wirostek 289 00:17:25,266 --> 00:17:27,667 was hitchhiking to his job at a grocery store. 290 00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:30,700 [man] By this time there had been 12 young boys 291 00:17:30,767 --> 00:17:34,000 all viciously murdered in a span of nine months. 292 00:17:34,066 --> 00:17:37,166 [reporter] ...is that of 17 year old Frank Dennis Fox... 293 00:17:37,166 --> 00:17:39,567 It was a story that had engulfed us, 294 00:17:39,567 --> 00:17:41,103 and a story that I had almost done daily reports on. 295 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:42,000 and a story that I had almost done daily reports on. 296 00:17:42,467 --> 00:17:44,700 [reporter] ...dumped by the sides of freeways. 297 00:17:44,767 --> 00:17:48,000 And is now being described as the freeway killer. 298 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:04,200 [Dr. Vonda] William Bonin was born in 1947 299 00:18:04,266 --> 00:18:09,100 in a small town Willimantic, Connecticut. 300 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,767 William Bonin had an older brother and a younger brother. 301 00:18:17,567 --> 00:18:21,000 Both of his parents were alcoholics. 302 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,000 When Bonin's father came home from the war, 303 00:18:25,467 --> 00:18:28,066 he was extremely violent. 304 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:33,500 And would take out these fits of anger on his wife and children. 305 00:18:34,867 --> 00:18:38,500 A lot of the men came home from the war damaged. 306 00:18:39,367 --> 00:18:43,600 This had a real affect on the family. 307 00:18:43,667 --> 00:18:47,266 He took up gambling and excessive drinking. 308 00:18:49,467 --> 00:18:52,304 The mother, in order to with the husband's abusive behavior, 309 00:18:52,304 --> 00:18:53,000 The mother, in order to with the husband's abusive behavior, 310 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:57,667 she would drink excessively. 311 00:18:59,467 --> 00:19:03,367 The kids were almost always dirty and hungry. 312 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:13,300 When Bonin was young, he always dreamt of running way. 313 00:19:13,367 --> 00:19:17,100 But he told me he didn't have any place to run to. 314 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:30,900 [Dave] Back in 1980, you didn't feel safe 315 00:19:30,967 --> 00:19:32,767 knowing that there was someone out there 316 00:19:32,767 --> 00:19:35,500 that was doing these things especially as we were getting 317 00:19:35,567 --> 00:19:38,467 more information leaked to us about just exactly what was happening. 318 00:19:38,467 --> 00:19:43,000 I mean, we knew that this freeway killer 319 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,400 loved to torture his victims. 320 00:19:47,967 --> 00:19:50,600 In one victim, an ice pick 321 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:52,304 was shoved into his ear almost three and a half inches. 322 00:19:52,304 --> 00:19:53,000 was shoved into his ear almost three and a half inches. 323 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,867 Things that you wouldn't even dream of comprehending what was happening. 324 00:20:04,066 --> 00:20:07,266 There was another in here, just a 12 year old little guy. 325 00:20:07,266 --> 00:20:08,967 He was on his way to Disneyland. 326 00:20:22,567 --> 00:20:23,000 You have to wonder, 327 00:20:24,066 --> 00:20:26,367 but then you have to think back at what the times were like. 328 00:20:26,367 --> 00:20:29,266 Who today would let a 12 year old boy 329 00:20:29,266 --> 00:20:33,000 go to Disneyland by taking the bus by himself? 330 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,166 You wouldn't do it. 331 00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:38,000 Back then, it wasn't that unusual. 332 00:21:13,567 --> 00:21:16,767 McCabe was beaten, he was strangled with his own shirt. 333 00:21:16,767 --> 00:21:19,667 His neck was crushed with a jack handle. 334 00:21:27,867 --> 00:21:31,367 He left his body next to a dumpster in the city of Walnut. 335 00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:43,467 [Ronald Bowers] By 1980, there was many different things 336 00:21:43,467 --> 00:21:46,467 that were going through the detectives minds. 337 00:21:47,467 --> 00:21:49,467 One of the things that did come up, 338 00:21:49,467 --> 00:21:51,600 they were all sexually assaulted. 339 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:58,000 So could this mean he's connected to homosexual activity? 340 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,967 [Don Kilhefner] In the '70s, it was a difficult time being gay in California. 341 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,100 Harvey Milk, one of the first openly gay politicians 342 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:18,600 was assassinated in his office in City Hall in San Francisco. 343 00:22:18,667 --> 00:22:20,667 I am Don Kilhefner, 344 00:22:20,667 --> 00:22:22,304 and I am the co-founder of something in Los Angeles 345 00:22:22,304 --> 00:22:23,000 and I am the co-founder of something in Los Angeles 346 00:22:23,967 --> 00:22:28,567 called the Gay Community Services Center. 347 00:22:28,567 --> 00:22:32,500 [Kilhefner] What you have to remember there was a law in California 348 00:22:32,567 --> 00:22:35,367 that a man could be arrested 349 00:22:35,367 --> 00:22:38,500 for just touching another man. 350 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,000 The church defined us as evil people. 351 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,900 {\an8}And it affected the entire community. 352 00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:57,266 [Kilhefner] But there were many who were involved 353 00:22:57,266 --> 00:22:59,767 in fighting back at that time. 354 00:22:59,767 --> 00:23:02,567 The first gay pride parade in Los Angeles. 355 00:23:02,567 --> 00:23:04,767 35,000 people turned out. 356 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,266 A new world was being created. 357 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:14,100 What you saw happening 358 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:18,567 were young gay men heading towards those major cities. 359 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,304 They were leaving their small town 360 00:23:22,304 --> 00:23:22,467 They were leaving their small town 361 00:23:22,467 --> 00:23:23,000 with very very little in the way of resources. 362 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,066 Here in Los Angeles we had a major influx. 363 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,000 The gay community thrived to the center. 364 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,800 We provided housing for them, meals for them. 365 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,100 Here with these young men who had no money, 366 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,367 and so their way of getting around was by hitchhiking. 367 00:23:49,066 --> 00:23:51,667 Sometimes working as prostitutes. 368 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,367 The freeway killer exploited that. 369 00:23:56,367 --> 00:23:59,767 Used that to his nefarious ends. 370 00:24:05,867 --> 00:24:07,867 {\an8}[Freeway killer speaking] 371 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,867 When we found out that the victims 372 00:24:39,867 --> 00:24:43,467 of the freeway killer fitted the profile 373 00:24:43,467 --> 00:24:46,767 of a young gay man that we were trying to help, 374 00:24:46,767 --> 00:24:51,467 we were shocked, angry, sad. 375 00:24:53,266 --> 00:24:57,200 At the community center, we had signs out 376 00:24:57,266 --> 00:25:03,667 of warning young gay people to not be hitchhiking because it was dangerous. 377 00:25:03,667 --> 00:25:06,867 So we did what we could do to warn people, 378 00:25:06,867 --> 00:25:08,667 but not everybody was reached. 379 00:25:12,767 --> 00:25:14,800 I remember Wyatt Hart 380 00:25:14,867 --> 00:25:20,300 told us members of the media that there was a connection. 381 00:25:20,367 --> 00:25:22,304 They just weren't quite sure of who it was. 382 00:25:22,304 --> 00:25:22,967 They just weren't quite sure of who it was. 383 00:25:22,967 --> 00:25:23,000 [telephone ringing] 384 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:29,367 The taskforce was working feverishly. 385 00:25:29,367 --> 00:25:31,700 They were terrified that the media would put something out 386 00:25:31,767 --> 00:25:35,400 a little too much and that would then either drive 387 00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:38,467 the one person or the group of people who ever doing this 388 00:25:38,467 --> 00:25:42,000 underground or they go away or they stop or they go somewhere else. 389 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,867 They just did not wanted to do anything that was going to jeopardize this case. 390 00:25:45,867 --> 00:25:49,100 Wyatt, he would tell us a lot of things off the record. 391 00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:51,066 There was more to this than what we can tell you. 392 00:26:01,266 --> 00:26:05,967 [David Foster] Mr. Bonin was polite and articulate. 393 00:26:05,967 --> 00:26:11,700 He was difficult in the sense of having a very great difficulty 394 00:26:11,767 --> 00:26:17,567 either remembering his traumas or be willing to talk about them. 395 00:26:17,567 --> 00:26:19,500 {\an8}My name is David Foster. 396 00:26:19,567 --> 00:26:21,500 {\an8}I was the clinical psychiatrist 397 00:26:21,567 --> 00:26:25,000 {\an8}in William Bonin's appeals trial with federal court. 398 00:26:26,467 --> 00:26:29,667 There is an account of one of his own school friends. 399 00:26:29,667 --> 00:26:31,767 And if you don't mind, I'd like to read that. 400 00:26:36,467 --> 00:26:40,900 She says, "Billy Bonin was in my sixth grade class. 401 00:26:40,967 --> 00:26:45,500 One of his neighbors said the boys would dig up potatoes at night from their gardens 402 00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:48,667 and eat them raw and unwashed because they were so hungry. 403 00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:54,367 He was smart but he didn't talk much to the other kids. 404 00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:55,720 Certain kids always made fun of his ill-fitting clothes and shoes. 405 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,000 Certain kids always made fun of his ill-fitting clothes and shoes. 406 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,200 They called him "Bugsy Bonin." 407 00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:08,266 He never fought back, but you could see the hurt in his eyes. 408 00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:13,567 Back then, I thought of him as a gentle and very sad soul 409 00:27:13,567 --> 00:27:15,467 who never tried to harm anyone." 410 00:27:22,567 --> 00:27:24,266 There was a tremendous amount of data 411 00:27:24,266 --> 00:27:25,720 that I had available to me about what he had been through. 412 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,000 that I had available to me about what he had been through. 413 00:27:29,567 --> 00:27:34,767 My findings were William Bonin was subjected at an early age 414 00:27:34,767 --> 00:27:38,066 to severe physical abuse by his father. 415 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,700 This created front lobe damage in his brain. 416 00:27:45,867 --> 00:27:50,166 And then he was also extremely neglected by his mother. 417 00:27:51,367 --> 00:27:55,100 This had a profound effect on his developing brain, 418 00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:55,720 specifically the connections in the right hemisphere 419 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,000 specifically the connections in the right hemisphere 420 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:04,066 which impaired his ability to connect socially and emotionally. 421 00:28:04,066 --> 00:28:08,667 All this creates the devastation and tragedy that we see, 422 00:28:08,667 --> 00:28:12,367 not only with Mr. Bonin, but also of course for all of his victims. 423 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,720 [Dr. Vonda] The mother finally comes to the conclusion 424 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,000 [Dr. Vonda] The mother finally comes to the conclusion 425 00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:30,166 that she really can't handle these three kids. 426 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,700 So she sends the two older boys, 427 00:28:34,767 --> 00:28:40,200 Bonin and his brother Robert to an orphanage. 428 00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:50,266 At one point, a priest in the orphanage 429 00:28:50,266 --> 00:28:52,567 sexually molested Bonin. 430 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,720 And then later on, 431 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:55,867 And then later on, 432 00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:56,000 he was placed in the boys correctional home. 433 00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:09,600 There, unfortunately, he was again sexually abused by an older boy. 434 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,667 What a horrible tragic thing for this young child, 435 00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:19,467 already being abused in the orphanage, 436 00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:23,467 and now being in this boys home and again abused. 437 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:25,720 What chance at life could this little young boy have? 438 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,000 What chance at life could this little young boy have? 439 00:29:31,867 --> 00:29:35,767 We don't know the precise combination 440 00:29:35,767 --> 00:29:39,166 that makes up a serial killer. 441 00:29:39,166 --> 00:29:44,266 We just know that certain risk factors seem to contribute to it. 442 00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:47,900 Having a cold mother 443 00:29:47,967 --> 00:29:50,867 who is incapable of giving love. 444 00:29:52,867 --> 00:29:55,100 Physical and sexual abuse. 445 00:29:56,567 --> 00:29:59,266 And then frontal lobe damage. 446 00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:06,867 By the age of ten, Bonin already had all of these. 447 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000 When Bonin was 15, the whole family moved 448 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,700 from Willimantic to Downey, California. 449 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,720 Where Bonin changed from being the victim to the perpetrator. 450 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,000 Where Bonin changed from being the victim to the perpetrator. 451 00:30:38,166 --> 00:30:39,767 [Wyatt] Law enforcement was called, 452 00:30:39,767 --> 00:30:42,166 I believe it was by a hiker. 453 00:30:42,166 --> 00:30:47,667 Two young men bodies were found just off the Ortega Highway. 454 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,867 [Wyatt Hart] We had a swarm of media personnel out there. 455 00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:55,720 [reporter] Just where they located the... 456 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:55,767 [reporter] Just where they located the... 457 00:30:55,767 --> 00:30:56,000 There is on these side of the on-ramp. 458 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,166 Probably about, one is about 15 feet down the side, 459 00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:03,266 the other is about 20 feet. 460 00:31:03,266 --> 00:31:05,467 [reporter] Any signs of strangulation? 461 00:31:05,467 --> 00:31:08,667 We can't tell any sort of cause of death or anything. 462 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,166 We just can't tell yet. 463 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,266 [reporter] Lieutenant, at this stage, 464 00:31:25,266 --> 00:31:25,720 what's the process that now begins? 465 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,000 what's the process that now begins? 466 00:31:27,367 --> 00:31:33,000 Well, we'll search the surrounding areas for what might be obvious clues. 467 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,567 [Hart] Investigators are never surprised by what they find 468 00:31:35,567 --> 00:31:37,000 and what people can do to other people, 469 00:31:37,066 --> 00:31:39,900 but to find two of them out there, 470 00:31:39,967 --> 00:31:43,767 it kind of put a different perspective on the investigation. 471 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,300 [reporter] And neither one is fully clothed? 472 00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:50,467 No. One is nude, the other one is partially clothed. 473 00:31:50,467 --> 00:31:54,400 That was when we realized that something is going on here. 474 00:31:54,467 --> 00:31:55,720 Immediately we started thinking, well, wait a minute. 475 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,000 Immediately we started thinking, well, wait a minute. 476 00:31:56,367 --> 00:32:00,100 We've got two. It's pretty hard for one guy 477 00:32:00,166 --> 00:32:02,500 to take on two at one time. 478 00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:04,467 So, do we have more people involved? 479 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,166 [reporter] Two teenage boys found together in the Cleveland National Forest 480 00:32:10,166 --> 00:32:12,567 resemble a string of other slaying across... 481 00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:16,266 Further escalations in the murders connected to the so called... 482 00:32:16,266 --> 00:32:19,867 Detectives are now working feverishly in their search... 483 00:32:19,867 --> 00:32:23,100 There's been at least 17 murders in less than a year. 484 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:25,720 [Ronald] Bodies were discovered in Ventura County. 485 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,000 [Ronald] Bodies were discovered in Ventura County. 486 00:32:27,367 --> 00:32:29,800 And even up in Kern County. 487 00:32:29,867 --> 00:32:32,500 We know there was one from San Bernardino County. 488 00:32:32,567 --> 00:32:34,667 And many of them from LA County. 489 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,900 And eventually some from Orange County. 490 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,066 They were long distance away, 491 00:32:42,066 --> 00:32:47,000 so who could be moving around from county to county easily like this? 492 00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:05,667 In 1980, my job was to pick up and deliver trucks 493 00:33:05,667 --> 00:33:07,667 around the California area. 494 00:33:09,567 --> 00:33:13,166 Traveled up and down highway 101, 495 00:33:13,166 --> 00:33:15,767 several times working with Bill Bonin. 496 00:33:17,967 --> 00:33:20,867 I decided to do this interview 497 00:33:20,867 --> 00:33:23,166 and I thought it would be beneficial 498 00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:24,967 for the people to know what actually happened. 499 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,266 I don't wanna conceal my identity 500 00:33:28,266 --> 00:33:31,000 because of guilt by association. 501 00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:44,000 When I first met him, he seemed like a very nice guy. 502 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,266 Uh, I even had him at my house a couple of times for coffee. 503 00:33:49,266 --> 00:33:54,200 I had no recollection that he was nothing but a decent person. 504 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,300 On one occasion, William Bonin and I 505 00:33:58,367 --> 00:34:00,967 did a little trip up to Northern California. 506 00:34:02,967 --> 00:34:06,200 I mentioned to him that I heard that there was another victim 507 00:34:06,266 --> 00:34:07,667 of the Freeway Killer. 508 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,266 I've just referred to the fact 509 00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:14,767 that I wish that they'd catch the guy that was doing this, 510 00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:20,100 and Bill said to me, "Yeah, I wish they catch him too." 511 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,500 When we were on our way back, 512 00:34:24,567 --> 00:34:25,720 the vehicle I was driving, uh, started to act up, 513 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:26,000 the vehicle I was driving, uh, started to act up, 514 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:31,800 and, uh, we pulled off. 515 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,967 Bill suggested that we leave him there 516 00:34:35,967 --> 00:34:39,567 and I'd drive the vehicle he was driving, 517 00:34:39,567 --> 00:34:42,066 because we had farther to go home than he had. 518 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,266 By the time I had gotten back to City of Industry, 519 00:34:49,266 --> 00:34:53,100 Bill Bonin had been there for approximately ten minutes. 520 00:34:55,967 --> 00:34:56,000 He had a young man with him. 521 00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:01,166 Light tint, he had sandy color hair, 522 00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:04,767 and, uh, he had injured upper lip. 523 00:35:09,166 --> 00:35:12,567 Then I left and, uh, went home. 524 00:35:12,567 --> 00:35:15,867 I didn't see Bill for, probably, a couple of weeks after that. 525 00:35:17,467 --> 00:35:20,767 [reporter] The nude body of a young man found in a service station 526 00:35:20,767 --> 00:35:25,367 might be another victim of the so-called Freeway Killer. 527 00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:25,720 [detective] I feel that there is a similarity, 528 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,000 [detective] I feel that there is a similarity, 529 00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:29,567 at least, generally, in so much as, 530 00:35:29,567 --> 00:35:33,567 uh, this fits the pattern of young males, nude, 531 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,000 uh, clean looking, 532 00:35:36,066 --> 00:35:39,367 dropped near a freeway area, who have died from strangulation. 533 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,867 Larry Sharp, it shook me up pretty good. 534 00:35:52,867 --> 00:35:54,567 [chuckles] Uh... 535 00:35:54,567 --> 00:35:55,720 What's the chances that I was working with a freeway killer? 536 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,000 What's the chances that I was working with a freeway killer? 537 00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:02,300 Little did I know I was sitting next to him. 538 00:36:02,367 --> 00:36:05,367 [reporter] Homicide detectives believe the killer has now claimed... 539 00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:09,967 Target force across Southern California is working night and day. 540 00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:12,767 They are rapidly expanding investigation 541 00:36:12,767 --> 00:36:16,367 before the death toll rises any further. 542 00:36:16,367 --> 00:36:18,867 [Ronald] Homicide detectives couldn't keep up. 543 00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:22,300 It put even more pressure on the detectives, 544 00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:23,700 you know, "We gotta catch this guy." 545 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,800 [Ray] In the turn of the 1980s, 546 00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:38,166 South Gate California was going through a transition. 547 00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:40,700 The city was changing, 548 00:36:40,767 --> 00:36:43,166 General Motors was closing down, 549 00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:44,734 we had some notorious gangs 550 00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:47,600 that were infiltrating the junior highs and the high schools. 551 00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,266 My name is Ray Carvajal. 552 00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:53,867 I was the youth pastor 553 00:36:53,867 --> 00:36:56,166 at South Gate Foursquare Church, 554 00:36:56,166 --> 00:36:57,867 South Gate California 555 00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:58,920 during the time of the Freeway Killer. 556 00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,000 during the time of the Freeway Killer. 557 00:37:02,367 --> 00:37:04,867 There were kids coming in here and they're 558 00:37:04,867 --> 00:37:06,166 asking for help. 559 00:37:06,166 --> 00:37:09,100 Getting out of certain groups is sometimes difficult 560 00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,567 and sometimes you have to walk away. 561 00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:15,367 I wanted to give them something that they can rely on. 562 00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:16,800 And that's the word of God. 563 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,500 Sean started coming to the youth group. 564 00:37:21,567 --> 00:37:22,900 He was 14 years old. 565 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,667 He was looking for a change. 566 00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,567 It was just exciting to see 567 00:37:28,567 --> 00:37:28,920 these kids become part of your life. 568 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,000 these kids become part of your life. 569 00:37:30,767 --> 00:37:33,667 And you're trying to impact them in a, uh, 570 00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:34,900 in a positive way. 571 00:37:42,767 --> 00:37:46,000 May of 1980 was a day I will never forget. 572 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,200 Well, we're at the, uh, location where, 573 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,867 uh, we ran into Sean. 574 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,367 We pulled right up here 575 00:37:56,867 --> 00:37:57,900 and, uh, 576 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,300 I look to my right as I'm getting ready to exit 577 00:38:01,367 --> 00:38:04,000 and I said to my wife, "That looks like Sean." 578 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,567 And she looked over and she goes, "That is Sean." 579 00:38:06,567 --> 00:38:08,767 So he continued walking this way 580 00:38:08,767 --> 00:38:11,700 and he came around the car. 581 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,867 I can still see the blonde hair and those big blue eyes. 582 00:38:18,066 --> 00:38:21,700 He's like a kid that is just starting off life. 583 00:38:23,767 --> 00:38:26,567 We started talking about, obviously, the transition he's making. 584 00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:28,920 The, uh, starting over at a new junior high. 585 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,000 The, uh, starting over at a new junior high. 586 00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:34,600 I said, "I see you walking, did your mom drop you off 587 00:38:34,667 --> 00:38:36,400 at the corner or something like that?" 588 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,967 He goes, "No, I take the bus," you know, "I live at Firestone Boulevard." 589 00:38:40,967 --> 00:38:43,000 I said, "Well, you... you have a good day." 590 00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:49,667 Little did I know that that morning was going to be the last time I saw Sean. 591 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,467 {\an8}[detective speaking] 592 00:39:08,467 --> 00:39:10,500 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 593 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,100 {\an8}[detective speaking] 594 00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:37,967 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 595 00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:55,667 We got home from work and, uh, I get a call from Sean's mom. 596 00:39:55,667 --> 00:39:57,700 And she goes, "Sean has not arrived." 597 00:39:57,767 --> 00:39:58,867 I said, "Hmm." 598 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,500 I took a drive looking for Sean. 599 00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:12,700 I remember calling our youth president 600 00:40:12,767 --> 00:40:15,000 and I said, "Hey, can you get everybody to..." 601 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,600 Just start calling all of... all the kids 602 00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,000 and say, "Hey, is Sean with you?" 603 00:40:19,767 --> 00:40:22,900 And then we see that breaking news... 604 00:40:22,967 --> 00:40:26,667 [reporter] ... 14-year-old boy has disappeared in a suspected kidnapping. 605 00:40:26,667 --> 00:40:28,920 He was last seen at Firestone Boulevard. 606 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,000 He was last seen at Firestone Boulevard. 607 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,767 And one of the kids, kind of, looked back, 608 00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:36,800 "Isn't that where Sean takes the bus?" 609 00:40:36,867 --> 00:40:40,100 And it's like, all of a sudden, we, kind of, knew. 610 00:40:46,567 --> 00:40:47,667 [Bonin speaking] 611 00:41:18,667 --> 00:41:19,967 [Ray] I mean, where do you look? 612 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,767 Where are they headed? Nothing. You have zero to work on. 613 00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:28,920 We heard of the Freeway Killer through the news, 614 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,000 We heard of the Freeway Killer through the news, 615 00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:31,867 I said, "You know what, they've been trying to break this case, 616 00:41:32,667 --> 00:41:34,166 all the indicators were there 617 00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:37,100 and they have not been able to break this case." 618 00:41:37,166 --> 00:41:38,700 And the kids said, "Let's just pray." 619 00:41:46,467 --> 00:41:48,300 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 620 00:41:56,367 --> 00:41:57,367 Uh... 621 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,166 {\an8}[detective speaking] 622 00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:14,367 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 623 00:42:53,467 --> 00:42:54,900 There is nothing we can do. 624 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200 [Dave] I interviewed Sean King's mother a number of times. 625 00:43:04,266 --> 00:43:06,600 She's a very, very, very sweet woman. 626 00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:09,266 You met these people, you met family members, 627 00:43:09,266 --> 00:43:10,700 you met the brothers, 628 00:43:10,767 --> 00:43:14,000 you met the sisters, you met the moms, you met the dads. 629 00:43:14,066 --> 00:43:17,400 I mean, they were just absolutely heart-broken. 630 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,166 And you felt so bad 631 00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:22,600 'cause you felt so helpless that you couldn't do anything. 632 00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,920 More than once, after I would be finished, I would go home, 633 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,000 More than once, after I would be finished, I would go home, 634 00:43:29,166 --> 00:43:30,867 you know, a lot of times it'd be late at night 635 00:43:30,867 --> 00:43:33,900 and my kids were growing up at that time, they were small, 636 00:43:33,967 --> 00:43:36,100 and, uh, I would just look at them 637 00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,367 and just, you know, almost have a tear come to my eye 638 00:43:38,367 --> 00:43:40,467 knowing how lucky and fortunate I am 639 00:43:40,467 --> 00:43:42,100 that they're safe and sound. 640 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,367 You count your lucky stars at a time like that. 641 00:43:48,367 --> 00:43:49,967 Sean King's mother, 642 00:43:49,967 --> 00:43:52,367 like so many other people that I had interviewed, 643 00:43:52,367 --> 00:43:54,400 they were... they just wanted to know why. 644 00:43:57,166 --> 00:43:58,920 {\an8}[detective speaking] 645 00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,000 {\an8}[detective speaking] 646 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,066 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 647 00:44:13,367 --> 00:44:15,967 [Dr. David] In spite of the fact that William Bonin's brain 648 00:44:15,967 --> 00:44:17,667 did not develop normally, 649 00:44:17,667 --> 00:44:20,100 and he did not have the capacity 650 00:44:20,166 --> 00:44:24,467 for normal affiliation and empathy, 651 00:44:24,467 --> 00:44:28,000 he still had this longing for connection. 652 00:44:29,367 --> 00:44:31,867 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 653 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,467 {\an8}[detective speaking] 654 00:44:35,467 --> 00:44:38,967 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 655 00:44:38,967 --> 00:44:41,266 [Dr. David] If we got into the details 656 00:44:41,266 --> 00:44:43,900 of what happened when he was growing up, 657 00:44:43,967 --> 00:44:48,266 we would see what he did was replicate the type of abuse. 658 00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:55,200 He was bound by the older boys in the juvenile system 659 00:44:55,266 --> 00:44:58,800 who would rape and, um, beat him. 660 00:44:59,767 --> 00:45:02,100 He was strangled by them. 661 00:45:04,467 --> 00:45:09,400 We form bonds under intense emotional experience. 662 00:45:09,467 --> 00:45:12,867 So he forms these sadomasochistic bonds 663 00:45:12,867 --> 00:45:17,500 by being bound and choked and raped 664 00:45:17,567 --> 00:45:19,567 by 12 to 19-year-olds. 665 00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:21,600 Who are those he kills? 666 00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,100 Twelve to 19-year-olds. 667 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,920 He needed someone who could 668 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,000 He needed someone who could 669 00:45:29,767 --> 00:45:33,600 share his experience and so he went about trying to create 670 00:45:33,667 --> 00:45:37,000 those who were victimized like he was victimized. 671 00:45:38,767 --> 00:45:40,367 {\an8}[detective speaking] 672 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:42,700 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 673 00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:45,100 {\an8}[detective speaking] 674 00:45:46,667 --> 00:45:48,767 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 675 00:45:54,667 --> 00:45:56,667 [Dr. David] He exclusively states 676 00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:58,920 what he enjoyed was not... It wasn't about the sex. 677 00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,000 what he enjoyed was not... It wasn't about the sex. 678 00:46:00,066 --> 00:46:02,000 It was about the feeling of control, 679 00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:04,066 about feeling of dominance. 680 00:46:04,066 --> 00:46:07,567 The worst feeling for a human being is helplessness. 681 00:46:07,567 --> 00:46:10,567 All of his life he's just a helpless wave. 682 00:46:10,567 --> 00:46:12,367 When it finally explodes forward 683 00:46:12,367 --> 00:46:14,567 and he has no right hemisphere to evaluate, 684 00:46:15,867 --> 00:46:16,767 terror, 685 00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:18,166 rage, 686 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,166 despair. 687 00:46:21,066 --> 00:46:22,300 It's inevitable. 688 00:46:22,367 --> 00:46:25,100 There's nothing that he could do to stop it. 689 00:46:36,467 --> 00:46:39,166 [reporter] For Steven, June 2nd started like most days did 690 00:46:39,166 --> 00:46:41,266 in the last three months of his life. 691 00:46:41,266 --> 00:46:44,367 He left this small Downey apartment where he lived alone 692 00:46:44,367 --> 00:46:46,867 and he took a bus to work in Los Angeles. 693 00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,300 When last seen alive, 694 00:46:48,367 --> 00:46:50,166 Steven was at this bus stop 695 00:46:50,166 --> 00:46:51,400 shortly after 3 o'clock. 696 00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:54,967 Sometime between 8:00 p.m. and midnight, 697 00:46:54,967 --> 00:46:56,767 that's when Steven was strangled, 698 00:46:56,767 --> 00:46:58,500 his nude body then dumped 699 00:46:58,567 --> 00:47:01,000 and discovered shortly before 1:00 a.m. 700 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,723 behind this dark, deserted gas station in Huntington Beach. 701 00:47:02,723 --> 00:47:03,000 behind this dark, deserted gas station in Huntington Beach. 702 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,166 [reporter] These bodies of young boys are now being discovered... 703 00:47:12,166 --> 00:47:16,367 On a murderous rampage across Southern California 704 00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:18,867 appears to be escalating. 705 00:47:18,867 --> 00:47:22,567 [Ronald] Back in the '70s and the '80s, the homicide detectives 706 00:47:22,567 --> 00:47:24,900 didn't have all the tools available to them 707 00:47:24,967 --> 00:47:27,066 as homicide detectives do today. 708 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,667 We didn't have DNA, the computers. 709 00:47:32,667 --> 00:47:32,723 They had to be very creative. 710 00:47:32,723 --> 00:47:33,000 They had to be very creative. 711 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,800 By 1980, 712 00:47:36,867 --> 00:47:38,967 they were looking for a break in the case. 713 00:47:38,967 --> 00:47:40,667 They were using, uh, 714 00:47:40,667 --> 00:47:42,600 pc tape, or scotch tape 715 00:47:42,667 --> 00:47:45,767 and they would put it on different parts of the body of the victims 716 00:47:45,767 --> 00:47:48,700 to see if they could detect any type of hair, 717 00:47:48,767 --> 00:47:49,967 any type of fiber. 718 00:47:52,767 --> 00:47:54,900 And they noticed on Steven Wood, 719 00:47:54,967 --> 00:47:57,200 it was a green fiber, 720 00:47:57,266 --> 00:48:00,467 and they compared it up to other, 721 00:48:00,467 --> 00:48:02,723 uh, fibers that were taken off the other victims 722 00:48:02,723 --> 00:48:03,000 uh, fibers that were taken off the other victims 723 00:48:03,467 --> 00:48:04,533 and it was the same. 724 00:48:09,767 --> 00:48:12,000 [Wyatt] They took all that in to the labs 725 00:48:12,066 --> 00:48:14,266 and they came up with a fiber 726 00:48:15,166 --> 00:48:16,867 that was from a carpet 727 00:48:17,567 --> 00:48:19,567 that was sold to vans, 728 00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,367 and actually found the type of carpet, 729 00:48:25,367 --> 00:48:27,567 the manufacturer of the carpet, 730 00:48:27,567 --> 00:48:30,166 then they start looking at where it was sold the most. 731 00:48:32,467 --> 00:48:32,723 [Ronald] This was a big break. 732 00:48:32,723 --> 00:48:33,000 [Ronald] This was a big break. 733 00:48:33,867 --> 00:48:37,767 Now they knew there was, uh, a scientific connection 734 00:48:37,767 --> 00:48:39,266 between these cases. 735 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:44,567 But nothing was uncovered 736 00:48:44,567 --> 00:48:47,767 to point a clue as to who that suspect could be. 737 00:48:57,467 --> 00:48:59,567 And then sometime later, 738 00:48:59,567 --> 00:49:02,723 in the most bizarre way, everything changed. 739 00:49:02,723 --> 00:49:02,800 in the most bizarre way, everything changed. 740 00:49:06,266 --> 00:49:08,266 There was a young juvenile, 741 00:49:09,867 --> 00:49:12,600 Billy Pugh was his name and he was a car thief. 742 00:49:15,467 --> 00:49:17,367 Stole one, he got caught. 743 00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:31,266 [reporter] In the majority of cases, the bodies had been dumped near freeways. 744 00:49:31,266 --> 00:49:32,723 So the suspect investigators are looking for 745 00:49:32,723 --> 00:49:33,000 So the suspect investigators are looking for 746 00:49:33,567 --> 00:49:36,200 has been dubbed the Freeway Killer. 747 00:49:36,266 --> 00:49:40,066 [Ronald] He was in custody, waiting for his case to come up, 748 00:49:40,066 --> 00:49:43,266 and for some reason he heard on the radio 749 00:49:43,266 --> 00:49:46,266 somebody talking about the Freeway Killer, 750 00:49:46,266 --> 00:49:51,000 and the nude bodies, and the remote locations, and so forth. 751 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,100 Now, Billy Pugh didn't like the fact that he got caught, 752 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,767 so he was willing to make a deal. 753 00:49:59,367 --> 00:50:01,500 So, he said to his counsellor, 754 00:50:01,567 --> 00:50:02,723 "I think I know who that could be." 755 00:50:02,723 --> 00:50:03,000 "I think I know who that could be." 756 00:50:04,867 --> 00:50:06,166 The counsellor 757 00:50:06,967 --> 00:50:08,467 took that information 758 00:50:08,467 --> 00:50:11,667 and contacted a police officer on the case, 759 00:50:11,667 --> 00:50:12,967 Jigsaw John. 760 00:50:16,266 --> 00:50:20,467 He came out the next day and talked to Billy Pugh. 761 00:50:20,467 --> 00:50:23,166 And that's when Billy Pugh said, 762 00:50:23,166 --> 00:50:26,166 "You know, I was at a party one time and I... 763 00:50:26,166 --> 00:50:28,667 I left the party, I came outside 764 00:50:28,667 --> 00:50:30,667 and a guy offered me a ride. 765 00:50:34,767 --> 00:50:37,767 Then he started kinda playing around with me, 766 00:50:37,767 --> 00:50:39,567 touching me, which I didn't like. 767 00:50:41,166 --> 00:50:44,000 He started telling me how he liked to kill people. 768 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,967 He liked to molest people. 769 00:50:50,767 --> 00:50:53,300 Billy Pugh was kind of afraid. 770 00:50:53,367 --> 00:50:55,166 He wanted to get away. 771 00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:57,166 And when he got to his house, 772 00:50:57,166 --> 00:51:00,567 the guy said to him, "Okay, I'm gonna let you go 773 00:51:00,567 --> 00:51:02,500 because people saw us together." 774 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,800 Billy Pugh explains to Jigsaw John that, uh, 775 00:51:10,867 --> 00:51:12,266 his name was William Bonin. 776 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,467 As soon as Jigsaw John finished the interview, 777 00:51:21,467 --> 00:51:25,266 he went back down, talked to the task force. 778 00:51:25,266 --> 00:51:29,367 And he ran the name "William Bonin" through the rap sheet. 779 00:51:31,567 --> 00:51:32,723 They couldn't believe what they were reading. 780 00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:33,000 They couldn't believe what they were reading. 781 00:51:34,667 --> 00:51:36,800 One offense after another offense, 782 00:51:36,867 --> 00:51:38,200 after another offense. 783 00:51:39,367 --> 00:51:42,767 All of the sex crimes that he had been convicted of. 784 00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:47,000 The fact that he had been sent to Atascadero, 785 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,367 the mental hospital for California. 786 00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:54,100 Then he was sent to the state prison 787 00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,100 because there wasn't anything that they could do with him after the whole situation. 788 00:51:59,266 --> 00:52:02,667 Well, this was a big break in the case. 789 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:21,367 [Dr. Vonda Pelto] When Bonin was convicted in 1969, 790 00:52:21,367 --> 00:52:27,600 he was convicted of sexually abusing 791 00:52:27,667 --> 00:52:30,000 four teenagers. 792 00:52:32,166 --> 00:52:34,600 Would you bring the patient in, please? 793 00:52:34,667 --> 00:52:38,100 [Dr. Vonda Pelto] And so, the court decided to have him, 794 00:52:38,166 --> 00:52:39,893 uh, interviewed by a psychiatrist 795 00:52:39,893 --> 00:52:40,000 uh, interviewed by a psychiatrist 796 00:52:41,166 --> 00:52:46,000 who then put the label of mentally disordered, sexual offender. 797 00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:51,967 Then he was sent off to Atascadero 798 00:52:51,967 --> 00:52:54,266 for hospitalization 799 00:52:54,266 --> 00:52:58,000 to be cured of these tendencies 800 00:52:58,066 --> 00:53:02,066 with homosexuality and raping young boys. 801 00:53:03,967 --> 00:53:07,767 [narrator] Whilst in his cell, a man's condition should be checked often. 802 00:53:07,767 --> 00:53:09,767 It's not unusual for mentally disturbed people 803 00:53:09,767 --> 00:53:09,893 to have moods that swing from one extreme to the other. 804 00:53:09,893 --> 00:53:10,000 to have moods that swing from one extreme to the other. 805 00:53:16,266 --> 00:53:18,767 [Dr. David Foster] At the time that Bonin was there, 806 00:53:18,767 --> 00:53:24,367 they would use, uh, extremely aversive techniques. 807 00:53:24,367 --> 00:53:28,300 Um, shocks, using electro-convulsive therapy. 808 00:53:28,367 --> 00:53:31,800 Not as treatment, but as a way of softening someone up. 809 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,867 They have this ancient notion that 810 00:53:39,867 --> 00:53:39,893 if you had a homosexual orientation, 811 00:53:39,893 --> 00:53:40,000 if you had a homosexual orientation, 812 00:53:42,867 --> 00:53:48,266 you could force someone into a conversion to heterosexuality. 813 00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:56,467 [Don Kilhefner] We tried to intervene at Atascadero State Hospital 814 00:53:56,467 --> 00:54:01,600 and bring some sanity into that, um, arena. 815 00:54:03,467 --> 00:54:09,767 There are record of gay men as young as 14 being sent there. 816 00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:09,893 They could do whatever they wanted to there. 817 00:54:09,893 --> 00:54:10,000 They could do whatever they wanted to there. 818 00:54:12,667 --> 00:54:15,467 Chemical emasculation. 819 00:54:15,467 --> 00:54:19,900 A whole new mental illness was created around us. 820 00:54:19,967 --> 00:54:24,467 It wasn't only at Atascadero, it was happening all over the country. 821 00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:29,367 [Dr. David Foster] I think the understanding of these things 822 00:54:29,367 --> 00:54:31,767 was so primitive at that time. 823 00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,467 The methods were so limited 824 00:54:35,467 --> 00:54:38,667 that the efforts were more damaging than helpful. 825 00:54:41,767 --> 00:54:47,066 The tragedy of what made Bonin who he is is incalculable. 826 00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:55,467 [Dr. Vonda Pelto] Ultimately, he was in Atascadero 827 00:54:55,467 --> 00:54:59,600 because the staff was saying that he was not cured. 828 00:54:59,667 --> 00:55:03,667 But the psychiatrist said there's still hope for him. 829 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,893 So ultimately, Bonin, after years of treatment in Atascadero, imprisoned. 830 00:55:09,893 --> 00:55:10,000 So ultimately, Bonin, after years of treatment in Atascadero, imprisoned. 831 00:55:12,367 --> 00:55:15,667 He was released in late '78. 832 00:55:19,367 --> 00:55:21,266 [Ronald E Bowers] Well, what's interesting about it was that 833 00:55:21,266 --> 00:55:23,166 just six months or so later 834 00:55:23,166 --> 00:55:29,467 was the genesis of the freeway killer serial killings. 835 00:55:30,166 --> 00:55:33,567 And in his diary, he says, 836 00:55:33,567 --> 00:55:37,767 "From now on, there will not be any more victims left alive." 837 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,500 [Dave Lopez] William Bonin should have never been released from prison. 838 00:55:47,567 --> 00:55:50,166 This was definitely a lost opportunity. 839 00:55:50,166 --> 00:55:52,467 One of the victims was 12 for God's sake. 840 00:55:52,467 --> 00:55:55,367 You're at the prime of your life. You're just beginning living. 841 00:55:55,367 --> 00:56:02,100 {\an8}And to let... Have society let someone out like a Bonin roam free, 842 00:56:02,166 --> 00:56:05,467 not fair, it's not right, and sure, it leaves me angry. 843 00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:09,893 [reporter] Investigators now believe the death toll has reached 21 bodies. 844 00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:10,000 [reporter] Investigators now believe the death toll has reached 21 bodies. 845 00:56:13,967 --> 00:56:18,967 Putting the murderer in league with America's most deadly serial killers. 846 00:56:18,967 --> 00:56:23,100 Homicide detectives say that they're pursuing a number of suspects in the case. 847 00:56:25,767 --> 00:56:30,500 [Ronald E Bowers] After Jigsaw John had gotten the information from Billy Pugh, 848 00:56:30,567 --> 00:56:35,667 this gave law enforcement the opportunity to zero in. 849 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:39,893 But they had no evidence on this William Bonin. 850 00:56:39,893 --> 00:56:40,000 But they had no evidence on this William Bonin. 851 00:56:49,867 --> 00:56:53,266 The ball is now in the court of the detectives 852 00:56:53,266 --> 00:56:56,300 to figure out a way. How are they going to build a case? 853 00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:00,567 They decided, "We gotta catch him in the act." 854 00:57:32,467 --> 00:57:36,667 On the ninth day, William Bonin drives to the Hollywood area. 855 00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:43,767 The surveillance team is trying to follow him. 856 00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,867 He's driving up and down, and he pick up a young man. 857 00:58:01,967 --> 00:58:04,800 There's some type of transaction that takes place. 858 00:58:14,567 --> 00:58:16,567 They drive to an isolated area. 859 00:58:18,467 --> 00:58:21,266 After a while, the van starts shaking. 860 00:58:24,667 --> 00:58:29,367 But at what stage do the detectives get out and go over there 861 00:58:29,367 --> 00:58:31,667 and look inside to see what's going on? 862 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,567 If they waited too long, what could happen? 863 00:58:38,567 --> 00:58:39,893 That victim could be the next person killed. 864 00:58:39,893 --> 00:58:40,000 That victim could be the next person killed. 865 00:58:54,867 --> 00:58:58,100 And immediately, they could see that, uh, 866 00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:02,667 this victim was tied up. Was... I think, was handcuffed. 867 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,400 They realized that he was being sexually molested. 868 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,100 This victim was 17 years old. 869 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:17,867 That meant that they could arrest William Bonin 870 00:59:17,867 --> 00:59:21,066 for committing an insidious act on a minor. 871 00:59:21,066 --> 00:59:25,567 Now, if he had been an adult, they most likely would not have been able to arrest him. 872 00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:33,700 There was kind of a green shag carpeting in the back. 873 00:59:33,767 --> 00:59:37,867 Uh, very similar to the fibers that they had found earlier. 874 00:59:41,567 --> 00:59:44,767 But also in the side of the van, 875 00:59:44,767 --> 00:59:50,166 there was a cord, pliers, a carjack. 876 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,100 There was a tire iron. 877 00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,767 There was blood spatter on the walls, 878 00:59:55,767 --> 00:59:57,667 there was blood on the floor. 879 01:00:00,967 --> 01:00:05,867 In the glove box, we found newspaper clippings of the freeway killer. 880 01:00:08,667 --> 01:00:09,893 But also, there were no handles on the door. 881 01:00:09,893 --> 01:00:10,000 But also, there were no handles on the door. 882 01:00:11,767 --> 01:00:15,400 If you were a victim in that van, 883 01:00:15,467 --> 01:00:17,100 there was no way of escaping. 884 01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:27,600 So, he's arrested. 885 01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:30,166 Now they know they have him off the street. 886 01:00:34,166 --> 01:00:37,367 But they didn't arrest him for being the freeway killer, 887 01:00:37,367 --> 01:00:39,893 they arrested him for eluding the city's conduct on a minor. 888 01:00:39,893 --> 01:00:40,000 they arrested him for eluding the city's conduct on a minor. 889 01:00:42,867 --> 01:00:46,266 Now they had to see if they could find any concrete evidence 890 01:00:46,266 --> 01:00:48,567 that they could tie him to these serial killings. 891 01:00:49,567 --> 01:00:51,500 They needed the smoking gun. 892 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,266 [reporter 1] Los Angeles Police Department said last night 893 01:00:57,266 --> 01:00:59,367 they have arrested a man in connection with 894 01:00:59,367 --> 01:01:01,900 -the so called freeway killer. -[reporter 2] ...very cautious right now. 895 01:01:01,967 --> 01:01:03,900 [reporter 3] So far, 33 year old William Bonin... 896 01:01:03,967 --> 01:01:06,400 [reporters talking indistinctly] 897 01:01:12,867 --> 01:01:14,700 [reporter 4] William Bonin remains in custody 898 01:01:14,767 --> 01:01:16,667 as investigators process the evidence 899 01:01:16,667 --> 01:01:18,767 obtained during the search of his home. 900 01:01:18,767 --> 01:01:21,800 Authorities from various jurisdictions are trying to see if... 901 01:01:21,867 --> 01:01:25,200 [Dave Lopez] The night that Bonin was arrested 902 01:01:25,266 --> 01:01:26,867 put up the address of his, uh... 903 01:01:28,567 --> 01:01:30,033 the house. 904 01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:35,467 Every station in town was there. Every reporter was there. 905 01:01:35,467 --> 01:01:39,266 There must have been 20 to 30 detectives just swarming. 906 01:01:39,266 --> 01:01:39,893 It was a mad house. 907 01:01:39,893 --> 01:01:40,000 It was a mad house. 908 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,567 This was the home of his mother. 909 01:01:55,567 --> 01:01:59,600 Through all of this bedlam, I saw this woman. 910 01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:02,700 Thought almost right away that this was his mother. 911 01:02:03,467 --> 01:02:05,066 And she was all by herself. 912 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,700 Obviously she was in shock. 913 01:02:09,767 --> 01:02:09,893 And I felt sorry for her. 914 01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:10,000 And I felt sorry for her. 915 01:02:11,867 --> 01:02:14,400 You know, just sitting there in all this commotion all around her 916 01:02:14,467 --> 01:02:16,900 and she looked like the loneliest person in the world. 917 01:02:20,367 --> 01:02:23,266 I took note of it. Said, "You know what, I'm gonna come back." 918 01:02:31,567 --> 01:02:36,000 The next morning, I showed up, and to my surprise, there was absolutely nobody. 919 01:02:36,066 --> 01:02:38,066 I mean, nobody was in front of that house. 920 01:02:40,567 --> 01:02:44,100 She, uh, answered the door and I introduced myself. 921 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:47,767 I told her who I... Who I am. And would she like to talk about her son. 922 01:02:47,767 --> 01:02:49,266 About what she went through last night. 923 01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:52,266 And what she has to say about it. About... About him. 924 01:02:53,166 --> 01:02:54,867 And to my shock, she agreed. 925 01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,800 I spoke to his mother in an exclusive interview, 926 01:02:58,867 --> 01:03:02,567 and she freely talked about her son and about his tendencies. 927 01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:07,200 I know he's a homosexual. 928 01:03:07,266 --> 01:03:09,467 And they'd been trying to cure him of it. 929 01:03:09,467 --> 01:03:09,893 But, uh, he's not a murderer. 930 01:03:09,893 --> 01:03:10,000 But, uh, he's not a murderer. 931 01:03:13,367 --> 01:03:14,467 [Dave Lopez] Does he talk to you openly 932 01:03:14,467 --> 01:03:16,700 -about his homosexuality? -Yes. He's very... 933 01:03:16,767 --> 01:03:19,000 He's very frank with me. He's very honest. 934 01:03:19,867 --> 01:03:21,266 He would not lie to me. 935 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,166 The stories that boys in the neighborhood were saying yesterday 936 01:03:26,166 --> 01:03:28,400 about how he's offer other boys money, 937 01:03:28,467 --> 01:03:31,367 how he'd always want to be on the lookout for hitchhikers. 938 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,867 Is that true? 939 01:03:33,467 --> 01:03:34,600 I believe it is. 940 01:03:35,867 --> 01:03:37,967 Does he ever explain to you or tell you in detail 941 01:03:37,967 --> 01:03:39,893 -what he does when he picks up these boys? -No. 942 01:03:39,893 --> 01:03:40,000 -what he does when he picks up these boys? -No. 943 01:03:42,767 --> 01:03:45,400 You were telling me earlier that... That he has admitted to you 944 01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:48,467 that he put handcuffs on some of those boys he would pick up? 945 01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,300 When he'd first come back from Vietnam, 946 01:03:50,367 --> 01:03:51,767 he was violent, yes. 947 01:03:51,767 --> 01:03:53,266 Tell me a little more about that, if you will. 948 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,100 Well, he... 949 01:03:56,266 --> 01:03:57,867 In the courts, when it was said 950 01:03:57,867 --> 01:03:59,266 that he did that, he... 951 01:03:59,266 --> 01:04:01,300 They put handcuffs on them and... 952 01:04:01,367 --> 01:04:02,900 He would put it on them and... 953 01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,767 do his act and then let them go. 954 01:04:06,667 --> 01:04:08,200 He never hurt them. 955 01:04:08,266 --> 01:04:09,893 What's it been like for you the last couple of hours, 956 01:04:09,893 --> 01:04:10,000 What's it been like for you the last couple of hours, 957 01:04:10,166 --> 01:04:11,800 the last... The last day I guess 958 01:04:11,867 --> 01:04:13,500 -since this... -Horrible. 959 01:04:17,467 --> 01:04:19,600 I never knew someone could go through, like... 960 01:04:19,667 --> 01:04:22,166 Something like this without breaking down. 961 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,867 He's innocent. I know he is. 962 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,467 We'll prove it some way or another. 963 01:04:40,567 --> 01:04:43,467 [Ronald E Bowers] The police, they knew they had the right person. 964 01:04:43,467 --> 01:04:46,166 But they needed concrete evidence 965 01:04:46,166 --> 01:04:48,367 in order to convict William Bonin. 966 01:04:49,467 --> 01:04:52,467 And so, they needed witnesses to cooperate 967 01:04:52,467 --> 01:04:55,100 and come forward to provide information. 968 01:04:56,367 --> 01:04:59,200 So, the next thing that the task force does, 969 01:04:59,266 --> 01:05:00,767 they start asking around. 970 01:05:01,567 --> 01:05:04,000 "Who knows William Bonin?" 971 01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:07,266 They go wherever he has had contact. 972 01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:09,893 Someone said, "Yeah, yeah. You know, we've seen William Bonin." 973 01:05:09,893 --> 01:05:10,000 Someone said, "Yeah, yeah. You know, we've seen William Bonin." 974 01:05:12,266 --> 01:05:14,867 He hangs out with Vernon Butts. 975 01:05:19,667 --> 01:05:24,166 -So, they find his address and they go over to his house. - [siren blaring] 976 01:05:26,867 --> 01:05:31,200 Vernon Butts, he says, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know who William Bonin is." 977 01:05:31,266 --> 01:05:33,367 "I sometimes drive his van." 978 01:05:33,367 --> 01:05:36,967 But then he starts talking about "We... We would drive at night 979 01:05:36,967 --> 01:05:38,567 and pick up hitchhikers." 980 01:05:41,467 --> 01:05:44,200 Immediately, that police officer thinks, 981 01:05:44,266 --> 01:05:45,900 "Wow, we got something here." 982 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,100 Vernon Butts said Bonin would get in the back of the van 983 01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:53,166 and they would pull the curtain. 984 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,467 Vernon Butts could hear different things going on. 985 01:05:57,467 --> 01:06:00,467 Screaming. He could hear sexual activity. 986 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,200 Constantly, Buss is downplaying his involvement. 987 01:06:06,266 --> 01:06:09,893 But the detectives realized, "Wow. You know, he's confessing." 988 01:06:09,893 --> 01:06:10,000 But the detectives realized, "Wow. You know, he's confessing." 989 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,467 This was a big break in the case. 990 01:06:16,467 --> 01:06:19,400 And so, detectives arrested Vernon Butts. 991 01:06:20,867 --> 01:06:23,266 He was essential for the prosecution. 992 01:06:23,266 --> 01:06:25,567 And we were willing to make a deal with him. 993 01:06:25,567 --> 01:06:30,000 That if he would testify, well, against William Bonin, 994 01:06:30,066 --> 01:06:32,800 we would not go for the death penalty. 995 01:06:33,367 --> 01:06:35,367 And he did it. 996 01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:39,100 He gave some names. He said, "You better check these people out." 997 01:06:39,166 --> 01:06:39,893 And they couldn't believe what was uncovered. 998 01:06:39,893 --> 01:06:40,000 And they couldn't believe what was uncovered. 999 01:06:49,266 --> 01:06:52,667 [Ronald E Bowers] William Bonin, when, uh, committing his crimes, 1000 01:06:52,667 --> 01:06:55,367 he had all these accomplices. 1001 01:06:55,367 --> 01:06:59,667 He was smart in a way of knowing how to use people. 1002 01:06:59,667 --> 01:07:01,266 Manipulate people. 1003 01:07:01,333 --> 01:07:05,867 And that's why he would pick on people who weren't that bright. 1004 01:07:05,867 --> 01:07:11,934 Vernon Butts was the main accomplice who would do the driving. 1005 01:07:11,934 --> 01:07:16,567 He testified that also there was a Munroe. 1006 01:07:16,567 --> 01:07:17,069 He was homeless. He helped him at the very end do a killing. 1007 01:07:17,069 --> 01:07:18,000 He was homeless. He helped him at the very end do a killing. 1008 01:07:21,433 --> 01:07:24,166 Greg Miley, he was one that could be talked into it. 1009 01:07:24,233 --> 01:07:26,133 Did it a few times for him. 1010 01:07:27,166 --> 01:07:29,433 But the one that was most surprising, 1011 01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,133 was Billy Pugh. 1012 01:07:32,133 --> 01:07:36,133 Billy Pugh was the one that blew the whistle. 1013 01:07:37,033 --> 01:07:39,667 These young men would help him out in 1014 01:07:39,734 --> 01:07:42,266 picking up hitchhikers, driving the van, 1015 01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:46,934 so that he could molest the victim in the back of the van. 1016 01:07:46,934 --> 01:07:47,069 {\an8}Very strange for a serial killer to use another person. 1017 01:07:47,069 --> 01:07:48,000 {\an8}Very strange for a serial killer to use another person. 1018 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,033 When you have somebody else, another accomplice, 1019 01:07:56,033 --> 01:07:58,634 that means that person could be a witness against you. 1020 01:08:05,767 --> 01:08:11,967 I met all of his recruits, and they were all very dependent, passive, 1021 01:08:11,967 --> 01:08:16,100 homosexual young boys, who were not very bright. 1022 01:08:18,233 --> 01:08:25,066 One of them had an IQ of 56, and normal is 100. 1023 01:08:25,066 --> 01:08:30,467 Bonin took these boys in and made them his lovers, 1024 01:08:30,467 --> 01:08:34,266 and then asked them to kill. 1025 01:08:36,266 --> 01:08:40,767 He corrupted them and made them victims also. 1026 01:08:46,133 --> 01:08:47,069 When we prosecuted the case, we filed 14 murders against William Bonin. 1027 01:08:47,069 --> 01:08:48,000 When we prosecuted the case, we filed 14 murders against William Bonin. 1028 01:08:54,266 --> 01:08:55,834 The District Attorney's office, 1029 01:08:55,867 --> 01:08:59,266 in order to make a decision on whether they should seek the death penalty, 1030 01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:04,100 they needed to hear from the defense, as to any mitigating evidence. 1031 01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:08,634 How remorseful you are, or whether you really did it or not. 1032 01:09:08,634 --> 01:09:14,967 So, they gave the defendant, William Bonin, an opportunity to say whatever they wanted. 1033 01:09:14,967 --> 01:09:17,069 It was on the understanding that it would not be used against him in a court of law. 1034 01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:18,000 It was on the understanding that it would not be used against him in a court of law. 1035 01:09:22,166 --> 01:09:25,367 So, that's where these tapes come from. 1036 01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:29,166 {\an8}[detective speaking] 1037 01:09:29,934 --> 01:09:32,433 {\an8}[Bernie speaking] 1038 01:09:34,834 --> 01:09:37,734 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 1039 01:09:56,100 --> 01:10:01,166 I think we can safely, with William Bonin, that no, he was not an innocent person. 1040 01:10:01,233 --> 01:10:04,166 No, he could not be rehabilitated. 1041 01:10:04,233 --> 01:10:07,266 Uh, so there could be a strong argument 1042 01:10:07,333 --> 01:10:09,867 that he was deserving of the death penalty. 1043 01:10:11,266 --> 01:10:15,367 {\an8}[Bonin speaking] 1044 01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:40,467 Once we had made the decision to go for the death penalty, 1045 01:10:40,467 --> 01:10:43,767 we were never gonna use those tapes in any way, shape or form. 1046 01:10:43,834 --> 01:10:45,367 They were meant to be confidential, 1047 01:10:45,367 --> 01:10:47,069 and they were never to be, uh, told to the public. 1048 01:10:47,069 --> 01:10:48,000 and they were never to be, uh, told to the public. 1049 01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:57,867 Vernon Butts was a man with many problems, 1050 01:10:57,934 --> 01:11:00,533 but he was essential for the prosecution 1051 01:11:00,533 --> 01:11:03,767 because he was the main accomplice. 1052 01:11:05,433 --> 01:11:08,066 Butts became distraught 1053 01:11:08,066 --> 01:11:12,266 about being pressured into testifying against Bonin. 1054 01:11:12,266 --> 01:11:14,433 And he loved Bonin. 1055 01:11:14,433 --> 01:11:17,069 So, he hung himself in the jail. 1056 01:11:17,069 --> 01:11:17,433 So, he hung himself in the jail. 1057 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,166 [Bernie] This was a severe blow to the prosecution. 1058 01:11:26,166 --> 01:11:29,133 We needed Butts' testimony. 1059 01:11:29,133 --> 01:11:32,967 How is William Bonin gonna be prosecuted now? 1060 01:11:36,834 --> 01:11:40,533 As a result of that, we had to re-evaluate the case, 1061 01:11:40,533 --> 01:11:43,767 we had to dismiss some of the murders, 1062 01:11:43,834 --> 01:11:47,069 because we knew we couldn't prove them without his testimony. 1063 01:11:47,069 --> 01:11:47,767 because we knew we couldn't prove them without his testimony. 1064 01:11:47,767 --> 01:11:48,000 That was when we brought in these other accomplices. 1065 01:11:52,767 --> 01:11:56,934 We had to use them, but it was very difficult. 1066 01:11:56,934 --> 01:12:02,467 Because of limited IQ, they're terrible witnesses in court. 1067 01:12:04,166 --> 01:12:06,767 And so, the case could go down the drain. 1068 01:12:16,133 --> 01:12:17,069 [Dave] Bonin had an attorney by name of Earl Hansen. 1069 01:12:17,069 --> 01:12:18,000 [Dave] Bonin had an attorney by name of Earl Hansen. 1070 01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:21,567 I remember, one time, waiting to get an interview with Earl, 1071 01:12:21,634 --> 01:12:24,266 and he says to me, pulls me aside and says, 1072 01:12:24,266 --> 01:12:26,033 "Dave, I gotta tell you something. 1073 01:12:26,033 --> 01:12:29,734 Uh, saw the interview you did with Bonin's mother. My client saw it. 1074 01:12:29,734 --> 01:12:32,634 And he was very happy with the way you treated his mother. 1075 01:12:32,634 --> 01:12:36,000 Here's my card. Take this card." And he wrote something on the back. 1076 01:12:37,567 --> 01:12:41,266 It says on the back, "Permission to talk to Bonin." 1077 01:12:43,166 --> 01:12:47,069 What happened back in 1980 would never happen today. 1078 01:12:47,069 --> 01:12:47,767 What happened back in 1980 would never happen today. 1079 01:12:47,767 --> 01:12:48,000 There is no way in the world that a reporter on a major case like this 1080 01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:53,934 would get permission from anyone 1081 01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,667 to get to the jail and talk to the defendant. 1082 01:13:02,867 --> 01:13:04,066 So, here I am. 1083 01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,367 I go in and I show the card. 1084 01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:09,433 The guard says, "Okay, fine, go here." 1085 01:13:15,667 --> 01:13:17,033 In comes Bonin. 1086 01:13:17,033 --> 01:13:17,069 I though, "Wow, this is incredible." 1087 01:13:17,069 --> 01:13:18,000 I though, "Wow, this is incredible." 1088 01:13:19,033 --> 01:13:23,867 And I was surprised by his size. He wasn't all that big. 1089 01:13:23,867 --> 01:13:26,233 But there was something about him that terrified me. 1090 01:13:27,934 --> 01:13:30,133 We just started a casual conversation. 1091 01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:33,934 He said to me, "I wanna thank you for being kind to my mom." 1092 01:13:33,934 --> 01:13:37,867 I didn't even ask him if he committed these crimes or not. 1093 01:13:37,867 --> 01:13:40,233 I wanted to tread very, very lightly. 1094 01:13:44,033 --> 01:13:45,266 Then the third meeting. 1095 01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:47,069 Walked in, said, "Hi." 1096 01:13:47,069 --> 01:13:47,567 Walked in, said, "Hi." 1097 01:13:47,634 --> 01:13:48,000 And he says, "Are you ready?" 1098 01:13:50,233 --> 01:13:51,934 I go, "For what?" 1099 01:13:51,934 --> 01:13:53,634 He says, "I'm gonna tell you something." 1100 01:13:53,634 --> 01:14:00,266 And he proceeded to tell me, hook, line and sinker, the murders. 1101 01:14:05,533 --> 01:14:08,567 He told me that he had killed 21. 1102 01:14:10,367 --> 01:14:15,233 I'm in shock, listening to this guy describe how they picked up one kid, 1103 01:14:15,233 --> 01:14:17,069 and they put an ice pick on the side of his head. 1104 01:14:17,069 --> 01:14:18,000 and they put an ice pick on the side of his head. 1105 01:14:19,233 --> 01:14:24,567 One of his accomplices, Butts, went crazy and stabbed another guy 70 times. 1106 01:14:24,567 --> 01:14:30,567 He told me about some other kid who squealed and cried and was easy to kill. 1107 01:14:30,634 --> 01:14:33,000 And he tells me that, you know, he enjoyed it. 1108 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,100 Once he started, he couldn't stop. 1109 01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:42,166 I didn't take any notes, because I knew if I had, he would've stopped talking. 1110 01:14:44,066 --> 01:14:45,967 And then he proceeded to tell me 1111 01:14:45,967 --> 01:14:47,069 that he wanted to avoid the death penalty at all costs. 1112 01:14:47,069 --> 01:14:48,000 that he wanted to avoid the death penalty at all costs. 1113 01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:53,667 And that he wanted me to see if that could be done. 1114 01:14:53,734 --> 01:14:55,467 And I said, "I don't have any power to do that." 1115 01:14:55,533 --> 01:14:59,667 So, [chuckles] I walked out of there stunned. 1116 01:14:59,734 --> 01:15:02,033 I didn't know what the hell to do. 1117 01:15:06,433 --> 01:15:07,734 And now, I'm stuck. 1118 01:15:07,734 --> 01:15:09,266 What in the world am I gonna do with this? 1119 01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:11,233 I got this blockbuster story. 1120 01:15:11,233 --> 01:15:15,367 I knew that once I put this on air, if I ever put it on the air, 1121 01:15:15,367 --> 01:15:17,069 that police would swarm on me like I was one of the suspects. 1122 01:15:17,069 --> 01:15:18,000 that police would swarm on me like I was one of the suspects. 1123 01:15:21,533 --> 01:15:26,233 And on June 29th of 1981, I went on CBS 2, 1124 01:15:26,233 --> 01:15:30,033 and I had told the story of how I got the confession and what he had said. 1125 01:15:33,166 --> 01:15:37,467 [man on TV] This is a Channel 2 special presentation. 1126 01:15:37,467 --> 01:15:39,166 I am at the men's jail 1127 01:15:39,233 --> 01:15:42,667 and this is the scene that Mr. Bonin has seen at least three times. 1128 01:15:42,734 --> 01:15:44,767 This is the booking area of the jail. 1129 01:15:44,834 --> 01:15:47,069 [Dave] It was like a bomb had gone off. 1130 01:15:47,069 --> 01:15:47,367 [Dave] It was like a bomb had gone off. 1131 01:15:47,367 --> 01:15:48,000 I knew that the police wanted all the explicit details 1132 01:15:51,233 --> 01:15:53,867 of the conversations that Bonin and I had. 1133 01:16:02,867 --> 01:16:04,967 And then, the trial begins. 1134 01:16:04,967 --> 01:16:08,166 I was under a lot of pressure to testify. 1135 01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:12,734 Prosecution, detectives, certain police chiefs, 1136 01:16:12,734 --> 01:16:15,166 investigators, private investigators, 1137 01:16:15,233 --> 01:16:17,069 families of the victims. 1138 01:16:17,069 --> 01:16:17,934 families of the victims. 1139 01:16:17,934 --> 01:16:18,000 I was a reporter, I had a credibility, 1140 01:16:21,266 --> 01:16:23,433 and I certainly was a whole lot better witness 1141 01:16:23,433 --> 01:16:26,567 than the knuckleheads that were with Bonin. 1142 01:16:26,634 --> 01:16:30,567 {\an8}We will indeed prove in this courtroom that he is The Freeway Killer, 1143 01:16:30,567 --> 01:16:34,000 {\an8}as he has bragged to number of witnesses. 1144 01:16:35,166 --> 01:16:38,166 But, as a journalist, you need sources, 1145 01:16:38,233 --> 01:16:43,166 and you've gotta be able to have someone who can give you vital information 1146 01:16:43,233 --> 01:16:46,467 know that you are going to protect them. 1147 01:16:46,467 --> 01:16:47,069 You have heard about the principle among the journalists 1148 01:16:47,069 --> 01:16:48,000 You have heard about the principle among the journalists 1149 01:16:49,533 --> 01:16:52,834 that a reporter must protect a confidential source. 1150 01:16:52,834 --> 01:16:55,367 [Dave] And so, what the California shield law does, 1151 01:16:55,433 --> 01:17:00,266 is it prevents anyone from law enforcement to go in and force you 1152 01:17:00,266 --> 01:17:04,166 to reveal or say what you have not reported yet. 1153 01:17:04,166 --> 01:17:09,166 They are not allowed to go into your private notes, 1154 01:17:09,233 --> 01:17:11,967 or your personal files or anything like that. 1155 01:17:11,967 --> 01:17:15,967 So, in other words, there are things that they may want to know 1156 01:17:15,967 --> 01:17:17,069 that weren't publicized. 1157 01:17:17,069 --> 01:17:18,000 that weren't publicized. 1158 01:17:19,934 --> 01:17:24,634 If I had given that up, I will have been run out of the business. 1159 01:17:24,634 --> 01:17:27,333 It is our gospel. You don't break it. 1160 01:17:28,867 --> 01:17:33,166 You know, there have been reporters that have gone to jail, 1161 01:17:33,233 --> 01:17:35,533 rather than give up their source. 1162 01:17:35,533 --> 01:17:37,333 Uh, even if they're court ordered. 1163 01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:40,233 I would've encouraged him to do it, 1164 01:17:40,233 --> 01:17:44,166 but it was a big no-no for him, amongst his peers. 1165 01:17:44,166 --> 01:17:47,069 [man on TV] Prosecution has called parents and friends to testify. 1166 01:17:47,069 --> 01:17:47,634 [man on TV] Prosecution has called parents and friends to testify. 1167 01:17:47,634 --> 01:17:48,000 [man] You talked to him on that day. Did you ever see or hear from your son again? 1168 01:17:52,934 --> 01:17:54,233 No. 1169 01:17:54,233 --> 01:17:58,000 [Dave] The trial goes on. Bonin had pleaded not guilty. 1170 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,266 And the one thing that really haunted me was the grieving mothers. 1171 01:18:03,333 --> 01:18:07,166 Do you recognize that as being the body of your son? 1172 01:18:07,166 --> 01:18:09,100 Yes, sir. 1173 01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:11,467 [Dave] I just had a lot of soul searching. 1174 01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:13,967 My dad made a very famous quote to me. 1175 01:18:13,967 --> 01:18:17,066 He said, "That's what you get for trying to make a deal with the devil. 1176 01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:17,069 You shouldn't have ever got yourself put in this predicament." 1177 01:18:17,069 --> 01:18:18,000 You shouldn't have ever got yourself put in this predicament." 1178 01:18:19,834 --> 01:18:22,133 I did, so what was I gonna do? 1179 01:18:32,233 --> 01:18:34,867 [Dave] I went to a couple of very prominent people 1180 01:18:34,867 --> 01:18:36,533 that I worked with in the business, 1181 01:18:36,533 --> 01:18:40,000 and there was one man named Bill Stall, and he said to me, 1182 01:18:41,166 --> 01:18:42,734 "I know your predicament, 1183 01:18:42,734 --> 01:18:44,634 but you gotta remember something, 1184 01:18:44,634 --> 01:18:48,367 we are citizens first and journalists second. 1185 01:18:52,033 --> 01:18:54,233 [female reporter] Nine weeks into the trial of William Bonin, 1186 01:18:54,233 --> 01:18:55,533 the man accused in the so-called 1187 01:18:55,533 --> 01:18:57,667 Freeway Murders of 21 young men, 1188 01:18:57,734 --> 01:18:58,270 a surprise witness came forward, 1189 01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:59,000 a surprise witness came forward, 1190 01:18:59,767 --> 01:19:02,367 claiming he could no longer live with his conscience. 1191 01:19:02,433 --> 01:19:07,567 Television reporter Dave Lopez revealed Bonin confessed to him nearly a year ago. 1192 01:19:07,634 --> 01:19:10,767 He says, "I killed them all except one." 1193 01:19:10,834 --> 01:19:12,166 [man] Are those words Mr. Bonin said? 1194 01:19:12,233 --> 01:19:15,066 Those are his exact words. "I killed them all except one." 1195 01:19:15,934 --> 01:19:18,266 I asked him point blank. I said, "Bill, 1196 01:19:18,266 --> 01:19:20,333 if you were still out on the street, what would you be doing right now?" 1197 01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:22,967 He says he'll still be killing. 1198 01:19:22,967 --> 01:19:24,767 "Couldn't stop killing," he said. 1199 01:19:24,767 --> 01:19:27,166 "It got easier with each victim we did." 1200 01:19:27,166 --> 01:19:28,270 [Dave] I answered every question and went into detail of what he told me. 1201 01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:29,000 [Dave] I answered every question and went into detail of what he told me. 1202 01:19:32,166 --> 01:19:36,000 I testified as a citizen, because I firmly believe 1203 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,333 that when the question comes up, are we journalists or citizens first, 1204 01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:41,166 we are citizens first. 1205 01:19:41,233 --> 01:19:45,266 The public has a right to know. The jury has a right to know. 1206 01:19:45,333 --> 01:19:48,467 Every mother and father whoever loved a child have the right to know. 1207 01:19:49,367 --> 01:19:51,133 [Dave] I got some criticism. 1208 01:19:51,133 --> 01:19:55,133 A lot of people thought I did the wrong thing, that were in my business. 1209 01:19:55,133 --> 01:19:58,066 In no way, gentlemen, do I feel that I have, in any way, 1210 01:19:58,066 --> 01:19:58,270 embarrassed the profession or embarrassed myself. 1211 01:19:58,270 --> 01:19:59,000 embarrassed the profession or embarrassed myself. 1212 01:20:00,433 --> 01:20:06,767 He took an awful lot of heat from a lot of his peers. 1213 01:20:06,834 --> 01:20:10,033 But I supported him 100 percent. 1214 01:20:10,033 --> 01:20:14,567 Most of the citizens out there appreciated he was very involved 1215 01:20:14,634 --> 01:20:16,634 in getting this maniac off the streets. 1216 01:20:17,767 --> 01:20:21,166 He was law enforcement's hero, I'll guarantee you. 1217 01:20:30,467 --> 01:20:34,767 {\an8}Pursuant to penal code section 190.3 of the state of California, 1218 01:20:34,834 --> 01:20:37,667 do determine the penalty shall be death. 1219 01:20:37,734 --> 01:20:43,033 Well, he was convicted of ten first degree murders out of Los Angeles County. 1220 01:20:43,033 --> 01:20:46,667 William George Bonin has demonstrated a total disregard 1221 01:20:47,433 --> 01:20:50,000 for the sanctity of human right 1222 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,266 and the dignity of a civilized society. 1223 01:20:54,233 --> 01:20:57,967 William George Bonin shall be put to death. 1224 01:20:57,967 --> 01:20:58,270 He'll be administered lethal gas 1225 01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:59,000 He'll be administered lethal gas 1226 01:21:00,567 --> 01:21:03,767 within the walls of the state prison of San Quentin, California. 1227 01:21:11,967 --> 01:21:14,467 [Dave] The families, I know they were very happy. 1228 01:21:14,467 --> 01:21:16,934 There were tears of joy from a lot of them. 1229 01:21:16,934 --> 01:21:20,166 {\an8}I'm thankful that it's over with and we had a super jury 1230 01:21:20,233 --> 01:21:24,033 {\an8}and the verdict was... He earned it. He earned it. 1231 01:21:24,033 --> 01:21:27,634 In Los Angeles, William Bonin has been convicted of ten murders. 1232 01:21:27,634 --> 01:21:28,270 He was convicted for the homosexual torture murders 1233 01:21:28,270 --> 01:21:29,000 He was convicted for the homosexual torture murders 1234 01:21:29,834 --> 01:21:31,567 of ten young men and boys. 1235 01:21:31,634 --> 01:21:35,567 Today, the so-called Freeway Killer was sentenced to death in the gas chamber. 1236 01:21:37,767 --> 01:21:40,667 [Ronald] Greg Miley, he got 25 years to life. 1237 01:21:41,767 --> 01:21:47,634 He was killed in custody in 2016. 1238 01:21:47,634 --> 01:21:52,133 James Munro, he got 15 to life. He is still in custody. 1239 01:21:53,266 --> 01:21:58,270 And Billy Pugh, he got six years and is now out. 1240 01:21:58,270 --> 01:21:58,467 And Billy Pugh, he got six years and is now out. 1241 01:22:03,433 --> 01:22:07,233 Two years later, they were able to convict William Bonin 1242 01:22:07,233 --> 01:22:10,066 of four murders in Orange County. 1243 01:22:10,066 --> 01:22:13,667 The Orange County jury also agreed on the death penalty. 1244 01:22:15,367 --> 01:22:19,367 He was permanently sent up to San Quentin, placed on death row, 1245 01:22:19,433 --> 01:22:22,567 where he remained for 14 years. 1246 01:22:33,567 --> 01:22:36,166 [Ronald] Bonin's guilt is beyond dispute. 1247 01:22:36,166 --> 01:22:40,133 His case has been argued and examined from every angle. 1248 01:22:40,133 --> 01:22:42,533 The whole process has consumed more years 1249 01:22:42,533 --> 01:22:45,433 than Bonin has allowed some of his victims to live. 1250 01:22:47,767 --> 01:22:49,867 [Dave] I still see those faces. 1251 01:22:51,834 --> 01:22:54,233 It's still haunting at times. 1252 01:22:54,233 --> 01:22:58,233 But, um, I'm glad I was able to do my part as a citizen, 1253 01:22:58,233 --> 01:22:58,270 and I, uh, I hold my head high. 1254 01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:59,000 and I, uh, I hold my head high. 1255 01:23:03,166 --> 01:23:07,433 For certain crimes, justice demands the ultimate punishment. 1256 01:23:07,433 --> 01:23:09,567 William Bonin will never kill again. 1257 01:23:10,667 --> 01:23:12,533 Clemency is denied. 1258 01:23:25,066 --> 01:23:28,066 [Dr. David] It makes me feel compassion for him, 1259 01:23:28,066 --> 01:23:28,270 and sadness and outrage 1260 01:23:28,270 --> 01:23:29,000 and sadness and outrage 1261 01:23:30,967 --> 01:23:34,567 that over and over and over, 1262 01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:38,133 there were opportunities to intervene in this child's life. 1263 01:23:42,066 --> 01:23:46,433 And then we have the tragic loss of all he killed. 1264 01:23:52,767 --> 01:23:58,270 {\an8}I think as a society, we need to understand what made Bonin who he is, 1265 01:23:58,270 --> 01:23:59,000 {\an8}I think as a society, we need to understand what made Bonin who he is, 1266 01:23:59,767 --> 01:24:05,166 {\an8}so that we can take both policy actions and individual actions 1267 01:24:05,166 --> 01:24:09,767 {\an8}to help prevent these kinds of tragedies from happening again. 1268 01:24:12,066 --> 01:24:17,166 {\an8}[man] Okay, roll of the tape ends here at 2040 hours. 108050

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