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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,440 MUSIC: Another Green World by Brian Eno 2 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,880 LOUD ROARING 3 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,760 INSTRUMENTS PLAY DISCORDANTLY 4 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,080 INDISTINCT SPEECH 5 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,840 And seven. Ah, br... 200... 6 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,400 TAPE RECORDING REWINDS 7 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,280 DISTORTED ALTERNATELY PANNED SPEECH 8 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,440 ATMOSPHERIC MUSIC 9 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,120 SUSTAINED BEEP 10 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:30,280 Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three. 11 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:37,400 This is one of my uni...universal mixes, generally useful. 12 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,600 You may have some of this later. 13 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,080 OK. Coming up... 14 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Egypt, lot one. 15 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,200 The same sync points as before, at 230 feet, 16 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,800 when the sun started to emerge from the pyramid. 17 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,000 We can, if we like, go to these the sound generators here, 18 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,200 electronic generators, and we'll listen to three 19 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,280 of the basic electronic sounds. 20 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,200 First is the simplest sound of all, which is a sine wave. 21 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,840 SINE WAVE PLAYS 22 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,200 As you see on the oscilloscope, it has a very simple form 23 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,800 and has a very pure sound. 24 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,960 I once said Delia's a bit like a diamond - it depends 25 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,600 how you shine the light through it 26 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,000 and you get all sorts of different Delias. 27 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,440 Oh, she was sparkling and wonderful, great, terrific fun. 28 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,120 Her great joy was sound. 29 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,800 She'd always talk about somebody having a wonderful pair of ears, 30 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,320 which means they could appreciate sound. 31 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,720 She's fascinating, cos she had all this magic up her sleeve 32 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,040 and she was doing it as a regular job. 33 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,000 Who was Delia Derbyshire for me? 34 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,960 I think she was a friend, 35 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,400 a very talented composer. 36 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,000 Also very curious about other people. 37 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,160 But a tormented soul. 38 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,920 You know, she had lots of problems, unfortunately. 39 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:12,360 You know, she was always calculating stuff 40 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,760 and she carried around reams and reams of paper. 41 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Usually in a large shopping basket, with a bottle. 42 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,520 A more complex sound still is white noise. 43 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,160 We call it white because it contains all sound frequencies 44 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,280 in the same way as white light contains all frequencies. 45 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,200 WHITE NOISE PLAYS 46 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:52,320 ATMOSPHERIC ELECTRONIC MUSIC PLAYS 47 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,040 RADIO REPORTER: Now, we actually have some sad news. 48 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,560 The death has just been announced of Delia Derbyshire, 49 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,400 a pioneer of electronic music in Britain 50 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,200 and a prime mover in the BBC's Radiophonic Workshop. 51 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,680 She went on to influence many famous musicians and composers 52 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,320 around the world, but will probably be best known for TV's most famous 53 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,160 them tune - Doctor Who. 54 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,240 It's come to me, but just relevantly recently, 55 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,800 that my love for abstract sounds 56 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,760 were the sounds of the air raid sirens. 57 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,360 Because that is a sound you hear and you don't know the source of it 58 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,000 as a child. 59 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,880 SIRENS BLARE, EXPLOSIONS 60 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,280 And then the sound of the all-clear... 61 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:00,840 SHE IMITATES SIREN 62 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:02,880 ..that was electronic music. 63 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,880 Seven feet is the beginning of the dissolve into the tunnel. 64 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,040 ATMOSPHERIC ELECTRONIC MUSIC PLAYS 65 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,040 METAL CLANKING 66 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,680 CLANKING 67 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,400 Just think, Delia Derbyshire, me, Cosey Fanni Tutti, 68 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,520 spending our lives immersed in music and art. 69 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,480 I'm so drawn to Delia. There's connections I hadn't expected. 70 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,080 It'd be wonderful to leave Delia and know that she could collect 71 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,680 a point of contact across the dimensions. 72 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,080 The feel of the place makes me speculate about the possibility 73 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,360 of residual sounds being held in the concrete, 74 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,040 trace elements of life. 75 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,280 ELECTRICITY BUZZES 76 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:09,840 Musique concrete, sourced from concrete. 77 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,840 BICYCLE CLICKS 78 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,360 I wonder how, from what we leave behind, 79 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,520 do expect people to have any understanding 80 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,960 of who we really are or the reasons behind our life choices. 81 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,800 MUSIC: Mattachin by Delia Derbyshire 82 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,600 RADIO PRESENTER: Back in the days when that was recorded, 83 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,320 it was a completely different process. 84 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,160 And that track you've just listened to just now was Mattachin, 85 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,720 put together at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop back in the early '60s 86 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,280 by Delia Derbyshire. 87 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Some time since you heard that track, I guess? 88 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,040 DELIA: Yes, since 1968, I think! 89 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,200 THEY LAUGH 90 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,000 I'm tickled pink by it! It's charming, isn't it? 91 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,600 I think that what you achieved in the Radiophonic Workshop 92 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,480 is something that maybe we should define slightly for people 93 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,160 listening to the programme who maybe don't realise the processes 94 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,800 that actually went into making that kind of music... 95 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Freedom of the spirit. 96 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:38,480 The gateway to the next phase of life. 97 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,200 A doorway into a new life. 98 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,880 AMBIENT ELECTRONIC MUSIC PLAYS 99 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,640 Perhaps I have a very strange mind, 100 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,040 because I analyse everything - not just music. 101 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,640 I'm drawn so deep into Delia's story. 102 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,360 It's like a map of her life through sound, or a coded message. 103 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,800 There are so many subtleties in the human voice. 104 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,760 I think I've found the language of a shared experience. 105 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,760 Even when I'm listening to the news, 106 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,000 I note every inflection, every comma. 107 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,240 I suppose, in a way, I was experimenting in psychoacoustics. 108 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,760 DISTORTED VOICE SOUNDS PLAY 109 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,800 I came from... 110 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,040 ..well, I think what they'd like to call 111 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,880 the upper-working class Catholic background. 112 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,280 Catholic, Roman Catholic... in Coventry. 113 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,440 Delia! You're not going to throw things out, but 114 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,560 you're going to have to take them straight back to Cambridge with you. 115 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,160 I am. 116 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,400 No, you're not. Yes, I am. 117 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Don't make me come up those stairs! 118 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,760 I won't. How can I MAKE you come up on the stairs? 119 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,960 SHE PLAYS GYMNOPEDIE BY ERIK SATIE ON HARPSICHORD 120 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,960 RADIO TUNES 121 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,880 MALE PRESENTER: The BBC presents Private Dreams 122 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,360 and Public Nightmares, 123 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,400 a radiophonic poem by Frederick Bradnum. 124 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,440 The programme is introduced by the producer Donald McWhinnie. 125 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,360 This programme is an experiment, an exploration. 126 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,800 It's been put together with enormous enthusiasm 127 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,840 and equipment designed for other purposes. 128 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,080 It's not a masterpiece, not even a minor one. 129 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,520 And it's not a stunt. 130 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,240 We think it's worth broadcasting as a perfectly serious first attempt 131 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,400 to find out whether we can convey a new kind of emotional 132 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,600 and intellectual experience by means of what we call radiophonic effects. 133 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,640 By radiophonic effects, we mean something 134 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,800 very near to what the French have labelled musique concrete. 135 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,280 The basis of it is an unlimited supply of magnetic tape... Delia? 136 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,120 ..recording machine, razorblade... Yes, just organising things! 137 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,920 ..and something to stick the bits together with. 138 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,440 And a group of technicians who think nothing is too much trouble 139 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,120 provided it works. 140 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,720 You take a sound, any sound, record it 141 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,960 and then change its nature. 142 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,520 A sort of modern magic. 143 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,880 SHE SNIFFS Hello. 144 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,200 ..they've been exploiting it on the Continent for years, 145 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,000 but strangely enough, we've held it aloof. 146 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Partly from distrust, 147 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,840 is it simply a new toy? 148 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Some musicians believe that it can become an art form 149 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,720 complete in itself. 150 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,640 One thought does occur from time to time, not entirely frivolously - 151 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,880 would it not be more illuminating to play the whole thing backwards? 152 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,040 Oh, the radio, the radio, the radio 153 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,880 was the most important thing in my life. 154 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,600 And music, music, music. 155 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,560 I was told in no uncertain terms 156 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:38,320 that the BBC does not employ composers. 157 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:44,280 And, so, it was only by gradually sort of infiltrating the system 158 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,840 that I managed to do music. 159 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,880 I think you'd call that music, wouldn't you? 160 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,200 EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC PLAYS 161 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Well, what I'm really interested in is sound. 162 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Sound? Yes. 163 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,640 The sound of what? 164 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,000 Well, I'm interested in sound. 165 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Music and acoustics. 166 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,960 I see, Miss Derbyshire. You'd like to combine your interest 167 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,760 in mathematics with your interest in music. 168 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,200 Yes. 169 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,600 As a career choice? 170 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,800 Well, music is just an expression of mathematics. 171 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,640 It's an idea that was established 172 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,040 way back in the 6th century by Pythagoras. 173 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Yes, dear. But this is a careers office - not ancient Greece. 174 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,720 Do you see? 175 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,960 Have you considered a career in deaf aids, Miss Derbyshire? 176 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,840 No, Mr Thompson. 177 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Have you? 178 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,760 Angela! Tea! 179 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,640 Christ alive. 180 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,000 And you are? 181 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Delia. Delia Derbyshire. 182 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,400 And where are you from? Coventry. 183 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,640 Not much of it left, is there? 184 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,080 Well... Totally decimated, wasn't it? 185 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:12,920 Yeah. 186 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,680 Cambridge - ah! 187 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,080 Girton. 188 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,320 HE LAUGHS 189 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Good old Girton College. 190 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,200 It's rather good, isn't it? Hm? For girls. 191 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680 I studied music - and mathematics too. 192 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,880 Unusual. But do go on. 193 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Well, my interest is in sound and acoustics. 194 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,480 I'm also a musician. 195 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,120 I play the piano and violin, double bass, 196 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,080 and I'd very much like to work as a sound recordist, 197 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,600 or, well, possibly a music balancer. 198 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,520 Ah, yes. I'll have to stop you there, Miss Derbyshire. 199 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,320 Decca Records does not employ women in its recording studios 200 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,240 or any of its technical departments. 201 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,080 Never has, probably never will. 202 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,160 I see. 203 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,600 And why would that be? 204 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,400 Those are the house rules. 205 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,440 I'm not paid to question them, Miss Derbyshire - 206 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,320 only to observe them. 207 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,400 However, we do have posts for women in our administration department 208 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,400 and there may well be a secretarial position available 209 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,680 at the end of the month. 210 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,800 Cheerio! 211 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,360 Toodle-oo! 212 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,840 He was probably the man who turned down the Beatles. 213 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,360 BLEEPS PLAY 214 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,920 And this comes back to something else I'd like to stress. 215 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,320 You see, there's that sexist thing again. 216 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,480 One director came into the workshop, said to me, 217 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,640 "Oh, you must be an ardent feminist." 218 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,480 But I think I was a post-feminist before feminism was even invented. 219 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 I'd prefer to describe myself... 220 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,360 ..as an individualist. 221 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,840 DISTORTED: An individualist. 222 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,480 That's me. 223 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,960 Golly, I realise that now. 224 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,320 DISTORTED SPEECH CONTINUES 225 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,520 DISTORTED: An individualist. 226 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:20,000 An individualist. 227 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,760 FADES: An individualist. 228 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,280 And, so, I went to Geneva to teach English, 229 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,200 and that's when I started bombarding the BBC with endless applications. 230 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,800 And I finally ended up with a three-month placement 231 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,240 as a studio manager. 232 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,320 I'm told you have extraordinary powers. 233 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Oh, really? 234 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,800 CHUCKLES: Yes. 235 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,920 The fellows on Record Review are little in awe. 236 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,360 They tell me you can find a piece of music on an LP 237 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,520 just by looking at it. 238 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,440 How? Magic. 239 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Hm, yes. Witchcraft was mentioned. 240 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,920 I simply hold the disc up to the light 241 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,240 and look for where the groove modulations 242 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,920 break up the light the most. 243 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,240 Trombones and strings are particularly easy to spot. 244 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,360 Mr Harper, could I please have a placement 245 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:16,000 at the Radiophonic Workshop at Maida Vale? 246 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,520 Are you mad? 247 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,120 No, I'm neither mad nor a witch. 248 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:21,200 I'm just fascinated by what they do in there 249 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,160 and I'd like to work with tape manipulation. 250 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,880 I must warn you, nobody's ever requested to join 251 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,760 that department before. 252 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,000 People are normally sent there unwillingly. 253 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Like to Coventry, as a punishment? 254 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,560 Yes, in some cases. 255 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,200 It's a... It's a very particular environment 256 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,520 that we're not sure is altogether, er, healthy. 257 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,320 May I ask you why? 258 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,080 I'd like to create sounds that have never existed 259 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,400 in the world before and I'm not sure where else to do it, Mr Harper. 260 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,040 I'll call down. 261 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,000 She joined about two months before I did. 262 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,720 It was around about Christmas time, 263 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,680 cos you were only allowed to stay for three months 264 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,360 in case you went mad. 265 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:11,120 I think it was a doctor friend of one of the engineers 266 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:14,000 who said that it could cause psychological problems, 267 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,560 being exposed to all these strange noises. 268 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,680 MUSIC: Time Beat by Ray Cathode 269 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Michael, the producer, was in yesterday, 270 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,200 but I told him not to bother today. 271 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,560 Help me with the screen, would you, please? 272 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,600 Lovely. 273 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,120 HE WOLF WHISTLES Oh! Ignore him. 274 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:19,000 Set up a mic, would you, Delia? 275 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,440 Yeah. Just about here? Uh-huh. 276 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 I was doing this yesterday. 277 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,720 After trying a couple of different methods, 278 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,560 it was by far the best sound for what we needed. 279 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,960 Yet Michael, the producer, kept laughing at me. 280 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,440 In the end, I said, "If I spot you laughing at me one more time, 281 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,960 "I'm going home." And he did, so I left. 282 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,920 Quite right. Shall I? Mm. 283 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,600 ROCKS CRUNCH AND GRIND 284 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,200 That's beautiful. Well, it's music, isn't it? 285 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,080 Oh... Shh, shh. Why...? 286 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,480 It's forbidden, the word. 287 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,360 What word? The M word. 288 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,160 So, what are you supposed to be making in here, then? 289 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,080 Special sounds. Oh, gosh. 290 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,440 As we're seen by some of the music department as charlatans 291 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,480 using sound technology to disguise our lack of musical ability. 292 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,720 Well, I see. So the musical integrity of the nation is at stake? 293 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,360 So, if you're not musicians, 294 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,200 what are you being asked to call yourselves? 295 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,840 Sound assistants, studio technicians. 296 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,160 If a sound isn't notable, then it's not music - 297 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,000 that's the thinking. 298 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,040 But it's the abstract sound that's organised. 299 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,440 That's music, isn't it - abstract music? 300 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,640 ABSTRACT SOUNDS PAN QUICKLY 301 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,320 We have also sound houses where we practise 302 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,480 and demonstrate all sounds and their generation. 303 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,800 We have harmonies, which you have not, 304 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,840 of quarter-sounds and lesser slides of sounds. 305 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,840 KNOCKING Hello? 306 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Brian. Remember me? Yes, of course. Delia. Delia... 307 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Yes, of course I remember, the induction week. 308 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,280 Sorry, I was engrossed. 309 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,760 Have you been posted here, as it were? 310 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,840 Well, yeah. Uh... A long story, but, yes, yes, in a way. 311 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,600 This is extraordinary, isn't it? 312 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,360 It's 1620 313 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:31,040 and he's talking about reverberation and delays. 314 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,840 Look - "artificial echoes, reflecting the voice many times". 315 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,160 Mm, mm. 316 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,480 It's incredible, yes. 317 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,360 Look - "sounds in trunks and pipes". 318 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,640 Sounds like microphone leads, do you think? Mm. 319 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,160 "In strange lines and distances". 320 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Well, that could be broadcasting. 321 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,000 It's Francis Bacon's vision for a utopian society 322 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,520 called New Atlantis. 323 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,600 Apparently, Daphne Oram put this up the day 324 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,400 the workshop opened in 1958. 325 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,400 She said that Bacon's premonition had inspired her to persuade the BBC 326 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,480 they needed to create a space to experiment with sound. 327 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Of course, if we were in France or Germany... 328 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Oh, they'd have given up an entire department to it. Yeah! Yes. 329 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,800 It's curious, isn't it, how terrified people are of this place, 330 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,440 like it might be the root of some hideous Continental sound invasion. 331 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,760 Do we have to whisper? Possibly, yes. 332 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,320 They don't want composers making... 333 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,560 WHISPERS: ..music... 334 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,440 ..in here, apparently. 335 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,600 Look, look. 336 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,360 This is magnificent. 337 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,120 I know. Look. 338 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:33,960 It's the Crystal Palace. 339 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,600 Oh, look - and this 1887 harmonium with mouse-proof pedals. 340 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,680 See, look. "Mouse-proof"! 341 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,720 THEY CHUCKLE Super. 342 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,560 It's a good job, as they're plagued with mice in here, I believe. 343 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,800 But do you think they can read? Well, some of them. 344 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,200 But they're usually the ones that cause the most trouble, aren't they? 345 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,400 At least, in my experience. 346 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,600 OBJECT CLATTERS Oh, dear! Sorry! Sorry. 347 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,600 Christ! What the blazes...? 348 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,720 Desmond, so sorry. 349 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,600 This is, um...Brian. Hello. 350 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,760 Yes, I was going to introduce myself. Brian. 351 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Well, you've certainly made an impression already. 352 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,760 Where's your tie, man? Well, I prefer to wear a cravat, actually. 353 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,160 Hodgson, isn't it? Yes, that's right, sir. 354 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,120 Yes. Well, I've heard all about you from Bumps. 355 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,800 But if you're to secure your reputation as a snappy dresser, 356 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,680 Brian, perhaps you should concentrate on 357 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,680 your professional reputation first. 358 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,680 Yes. I'm sorry. Sorry. 359 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Shall we help you? 360 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,920 BOTTLES CLATTER There we go! 361 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,880 When I first came here, I was expecting to find 362 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,960 beautiful chromium-faced equipment and everybody wearing white coats. 363 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,360 And, in fact, I found the tattiest studio, 364 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,120 all full of virtually redundant antique equipment. 365 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,440 Interesting stuff? 366 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,080 SHE CHUCKLES LIGHTLY 367 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,320 Well, potentially, but it's full of mistakes. 368 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Do you see? 369 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,760 No. 370 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,840 Well, they've not allowed for the Pythagorean comma, 371 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,280 so, all these scales are wrong. 372 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,160 Hm, oh... 373 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,120 And it's the reason why a Pythagorean 12-pointed star 374 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,560 will never close on one side, because there ought 375 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,640 to be a discrepancy between the 12 justly tuned perfect fifths. 376 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Oh. Would you mind if I corrected it? 377 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,880 Oh, well, as I've never seen anyone so much as look it, 378 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,240 you do what you need to. 379 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,520 I really ought to. It's a beautiful progression. 380 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 But, then, I suppose, if you're using two-dimensional models 381 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,680 to explain four-dimensional concepts, 382 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,720 you will end up with weird harmonics eventually. 383 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Well, you can be our very own enchantress of numbers. 384 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,720 I'm a mathematician, Desmond. 385 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,040 Right. 386 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880 DELIA VOICEOVER: I think I've always been a very independent thinker, 387 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,920 but I must say that I...I go back to first principles. 388 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,320 When it comes to the music, I go back to the Greeks 389 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,640 and the original... 390 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,640 ..well, the simple harmonic series. 391 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,240 I think that's a very healthy thing to do for anyone. 392 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,760 It is 0830 hours, September the 14th, 1988. 393 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,720 These are children of our time. 394 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,600 They should live to be 100. 395 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,920 They may colonise the stars. 396 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,680 They will not toil, they need never be unhappy. 397 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,000 But, this morning, as every morning, there is a problem - 398 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,120 how to spend a golden lifetime, what to do with so much time. 399 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,800 From this September morning in 1988, 400 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,120 look back across a quarter of a century. 401 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,720 We really make the use of computers rather than the human brain 402 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,720 for the control of processes and systems. 403 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,560 The new cybernetic machines go one step further. 404 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,640 In fact, they simulate the human brain. 405 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,800 That's what the word cybernation means. 406 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,520 RECORDING STOPS 407 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,400 DISTORTED SLOW TEMPO: Cybernetic machines... 408 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240 So, how's 1988 sounding? 409 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,640 Like a very bad dream. 410 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,960 We also have a new commission. 411 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,920 So, Structures Sonores from Paris. 412 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,560 Well, Verity Lambert can't afford them, 413 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080 but she would like us to sound like them. 414 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,440 They have glass rod set in steel, 415 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,280 a massive grant from their government 416 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,160 and a 20-paid ensemble of musicians. 417 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,080 There are five of us being paid peanuts. 418 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,320 We use square and sine wave generators 419 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320 and are mostly interested in dissecting white noise. 420 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,480 Hm. She would like it to sound familiar, but different. 421 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,960 Yes. We've been given a scrap of manuscript from the composer 422 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,480 Ron Grainer, with a few bars scribbled on there 423 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,200 with a melody and a bass line. 424 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,360 Yes? 425 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,280 And a mood description of "wind, bubbles and clouds". 426 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,840 Yes. Interesting. 427 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,720 It's for a drama about a time-travelling doctor. 428 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,600 But, of course, they're doing it on the cheap 429 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,600 and, not very surprisingly,, that's where we come in. 430 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,640 They want us to prove we are as capable of tunefulness 431 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,720 as uncanniness. 432 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,360 Christ. Uff... 433 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,400 And, as you all know, we are inundated at the moment. 434 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000 Does anyone in this room have any idea how to do this? 435 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,560 Well... Hm? Yes? 436 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,440 How? Um... 437 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760 SHE PLAYS MELODY ON LOOSLY STRINGED INSTRUMENTS 438 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,200 Ah... 439 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,880 Listen to this. 440 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,680 SHE PLAYS MELODY ON LOOSLY STRINGED INSTRUMENTS 441 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,360 Something like that. 442 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,120 That's what he's written. 443 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,920 I think we can do something with that. 444 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,480 This is very impressive. 445 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,160 You know, I think most of what I've ever needed to know about anything 446 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,480 at all has come from that book. Huh? 447 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,520 That's quite a claim. 448 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,400 I'm translating notes on the page into cycles per second, 449 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240 and then I'm going to translate the duration of notes 450 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,880 into inches of tape. 451 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760 That's why I have this and this. 452 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040 And this. I wondered why you were was so engrossed 453 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,000 in the BBC Tennis Club newsletters. 454 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240 Was I? You are aware that these are the as yet undistributed 455 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000 June editions and that Maddelena is the club chair? 456 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960 It's a good job she likes me, then. 457 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Well, not any more, love. No, no, no, that is naughty. 458 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,720 Don't tell her. 459 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,440 PLAYS DOCTOR WHO THEME 460 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,600 HE WAILS 461 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,200 Something like that? 462 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,600 LAUGHTER 463 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,440 DELIA VOICEOVER: Ron wrote the score with abstract things on, 464 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,640 like "wind clouds" and "sweeps" 465 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:46,000 and "swoops" and "wind bubble," all sort of beautiful descriptions 466 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,080 but with a carefully worked-out rhythm. 467 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,080 And so I got to work and put it all together. 468 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,800 So, are we all set? Yes, just about there. OK. 469 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,640 Bass, bass, melody, details. You're on bass. 470 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,560 I'll do melody and details. OK? 471 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,560 This will work. 472 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,560 Three, two, one. 473 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,760 DOCTOR WHO THEME 474 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,320 WHOOSHES 475 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,040 WAILS 476 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,760 It was a magic experience because I couldn't see from the music 477 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,440 how it was going to sound and it was just Ron's brilliant aural 478 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,560 imagination because when he heard the results, 479 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,600 oh, he was really tickled pink! 480 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,040 SNEEZES AND COUGHS 481 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280 She had this almost permanent state of sniffles. 482 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,240 This old man said, "You've got a very bad cold, my dear." 483 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,800 And she said, "No, no, I've got vasomotor rhinitis." 484 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,640 And he said, "You should try some of this," 485 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,120 and he gave her a pinch of snuff. 486 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,400 SNEEZES 487 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840 Which immediately cleared her head. 488 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,600 She didn't realise at that point it's one of the most addictive 489 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800 substances you can ever let go up your nose. 490 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,240 And that became her recurrent habit. 491 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,440 Knock knock. Who's there? Doctor. Doctor who? 492 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,720 Airs tomorrow between Grandstand and Juke Box Jury. 493 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,760 That's still not a punch line! 494 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,000 BOTH SIGH 495 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,440 GUNSHOT 496 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,360 Hello, Leonard. Hello, yes. 497 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600 Yes, OK, go ahead, then. Righto. 498 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,080 Well, as long as you realise all I've got in front of me is a pile 499 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 of tape, which I'm just ripping off the printer, which you can 500 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,160 probably hear in the background now. Hello, London. 501 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,040 This is Leonard Parkin calling radio newsreel from Washington. 502 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,000 President Kennedy and Governor John Connally of Texas were shot today 503 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,880 from an ambush as President Kennedy's motorcade left the centre 504 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,480 of Dallas, where the President went on... 505 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280 DOCTOR WHO THEME PLAYS 506 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,920 Let me read it to you. 507 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,320 "Verity's new sound is way out. Verity Lambert walked 508 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,760 "into the workshop and said, 'I want a new sound that is way out 509 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,880 "'and catchy.'" Mm, a version of events. 510 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,680 "Mr Briscoe and his team looked over the notes and went to work 511 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,000 "without using a single musician or musical instrument. 512 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,000 "They did it all with electronics, and this is the first time 513 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,040 "that electronics has been used to produce a recognisable tune." 514 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,640 It sounds as if they think the tune's been manifested 515 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,480 by some kind of radiophonic alien. 516 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,200 Ron was so sweet, he said to me, "You should be getting half 517 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,840 "of my royalties." We can't claim individual authorship, can we? 518 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,560 We're just seen as technicians. 519 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,840 Do your job and know your place, my dear. 520 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,360 It's bloody appalling. 521 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,920 SHE SIGHS 522 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,040 I feel like I'm traversing time, tapping into frequencies 523 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,200 as I'm making sound from fragments of Delia's life, from her music 524 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,160 and her voice, her words. 525 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,560 In many ways, our lives are a reflection 526 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,920 of each other's, our determination to be heard 527 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,200 and our seeking the unheard. 528 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000 Our vision of sound as an image or a feeling... 529 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,240 ..and the excitement of discovery and redrawing rules. 530 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:15,400 When I was doing the inventions with Barry Bermange, he wanted sounds 531 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,440 which would sound like a Gothic altarpiece. 532 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880 He said, "Oh, give me a pencil and paper." 533 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,240 I did. 534 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,960 And, with great care and elaboration, 535 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,040 he drew me a beautiful Gothic altarpiece and said, 536 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,400 "That's the sort of sound I want." 537 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,920 The Afterlife, an Invention For Radio. 538 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,560 All the voices were recorded from life and arranged 539 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,920 in a setting of pure electronic sound in five movements. 540 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,040 Light, light. 541 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,480 ECHOES 542 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,200 Everywhere is light, light. 543 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,920 "LIGHT" ECHOES 544 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,360 The vastness of space, space. 545 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,160 "SPACE" ECHOES 546 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,040 It's so clear, clear. 547 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480 "CLEAR" ECHOES 548 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,080 Green fields. 549 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,280 Valleys. 550 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,800 Clear running water. 551 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,760 It's so clear. Clear. 552 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,280 My most beautiful sound at that time 553 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,720 was made by a tatty old BBC lampshade 554 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,000 I found lying around the studio, 555 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,560 but it had the most beautiful ringing sound to it. 556 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,800 LOW RINGING 557 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,840 ECHOES 558 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,960 Like joining forces, an exchange between us. 559 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,480 This was a documentary 560 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,800 programme about the Tuareg tribe, 561 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,040 the Tuareg tribe of nomads 562 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,360 in the Sahara Desert. 563 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,040 I tried to convey the distance of the horizon and the heat haze. 564 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,200 ATMOSPHERIC MUSIC 565 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:52,360 There's this very high, slow, reedy sound. 566 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,960 That indicates, like, this strand 567 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,440 of camels seen at a distance, wandering across the desert. 568 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,920 That in fact was made from square waves put through every filter 569 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,800 I could possibly find to take out all the bass frequencies. 570 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,800 Four - the castrated oboe. 571 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,440 # Ahhhh. # 572 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,040 RECORDED AND DISTORTED: Ahhhh. 573 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,760 PLAYS DISTORTED VERSIONS 574 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,320 OBOE SOUND 575 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,120 CONTINUES 576 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,480 SOFTER ELEMENT 577 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,360 AMBIENT MUSIC 578 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,440 So the camels rode off into the sunset with my voice 579 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,680 in their hooves and green lampshades on their backs. 580 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,200 It has to be something out of this world. 581 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040 Most of the programmes that I did 582 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,360 were either in the far distant future, 583 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,440 the far distant past, or in the mind. 584 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,400 I think this was a science fiction play 585 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,760 called The Prophet. 586 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,520 It ended up with all these robots 587 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,040 and they sang a song of praise 588 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,720 to this bloke, presumably The Prophet. 589 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,320 And this was the song they sang. 590 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,440 It is difficult to pronounce because it's made 591 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,520 from backwards chanting. 592 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,080 I think if you play it forwards, it would say something like 593 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120 "Praise to the master... 594 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,360 "..his wisdom and his reason." 595 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,520 Ooh, ooh, ooh... Uh-huh. 596 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,600 Praise to the master, his wisdom and his reason. 597 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,880 Ooh, ooh... 598 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,040 What? 599 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,240 "Ooh". It's a bit... Could you...? No. 600 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,880 I did train as an actor I know what I'm doing. Yes, I know. 601 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400 So you keep telling me, let's move on. 602 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,160 There is a God, there must be a God. 603 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,840 You certainly didn't, did you? 604 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,640 You're so mean. Have a go at that one. 605 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,600 There is a God, there must be a God, there must be a God, there is a God. 606 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,680 Ooh, ooh, ooh... 607 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,880 Great. 608 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,040 OK? 609 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,640 And now we're going to rewind. 610 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,400 Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh... 611 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,680 DISTORTED BACKWARDS 612 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,040 Didn't you have a deadline tomorrow morning? You know my deadlines 613 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,680 are always tomorrow morning, 614 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,320 and the closer they get, the more I find better things to do. 615 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,600 I think I suffer from a kind of reverse adrenaline. 616 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,560 But we're not flying our own kites, are we, darling? 617 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,800 We spring into action for when the department needs a tune. 618 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,680 Let's get a drink. 619 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,040 Another one? 620 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,840 VOICEOVER: Well, as far as I remember, it was like this - 621 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,880 I had a very complicated studio 622 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,280 and definitely wanted to make the studio better. 623 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880 And at this time, I'd heard of, 624 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,160 I'd heard of the Radiophonic Workshop, but I'd never been there. 625 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,040 And, then, one day, Brian and Delia came to see me. 626 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,160 I think they just knocked on the door at Putney. 627 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,720 They said, "What about joining forces 628 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,520 "and making commercial music? 629 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,760 "To make money." And I thought this was...this was rather amazing, 630 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,600 that Radiophonic Workshop should come to me. 631 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,800 I hadn't at that stage realised that what they were proposing was 632 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,080 not part of the Radiophonic Workshop, but something different. 633 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,320 Peter had met Delia and she involved me. 634 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,520 And that's when we started Unit Delta Plus. 635 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,080 He was very, naturally, as everybody was, impressed by her. 636 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,520 Well, it gives her a range of facilities that weren't available 637 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,160 to us. And a studio to work in, where we could sort of 638 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,840 not feel entrapped. 639 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,120 Peter Zinovieff was doing the most interesting things. 640 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,320 He didn't claim to be a musician. 641 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,720 He didn't claim to be a composer. 642 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,440 But imagine one of those beautiful London townhouses. 643 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,120 The drawing room on the first floor was totally crammed with telephone 644 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,760 relay equipment, where he was working on his random sequences. 645 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,000 And I thought, "Golly, this is the way things should go." 646 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,160 That was a beautifully interesting time. 647 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,360 Everything was mechanical. 648 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,960 It was all part of a very fertile sort of area, 649 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,320 a wonderful sort of creative time. 650 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,600 Things were happening all over London. 651 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,320 Units were the most popular thing. 652 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:53,520 And then the Delta was for Delia, really, plus Peter and me. 653 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,320 So, we gave this concert and I don't know 654 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680 how it came to be in Newbury. 655 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,160 Yes, Peter knew the people who had the theatre 656 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,680 and I think was Peter's idea to do it. 657 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,640 I suppose they must have asked us, somebody must have asked us. 658 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,840 It wasn't much of an affair. It was a country, 659 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,760 you know, village thing. 660 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,880 There was a light projection being done 661 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,040 by the Hornsey College of Art. 662 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,200 I think my forte is, well, apart from having an analytical mind 663 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,120 to do electronic sound, at the opposite end, 664 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,440 I'm very good at writing 665 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,280 extended melody, for which there was not really an opening at the BBC. 666 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,800 And, so, I met this guy. 667 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,360 I was giving a lecture at Morley College in London, and he came 668 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,360 up to me afterwards and he played the double bass, same as I did. 669 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,840 And he was already doing tracks for the Ballet Rambert. 670 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,760 And, so, we got together and we started this album. 671 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,360 We got together. 672 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,360 UPBEAT ELECTRONIC MUSIC 673 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,160 I was doing a postgrad degree in the physics of electronics. 674 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,960 We hear there's this lecture on electronic music in the next hall, 675 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,160 given by some people from the Radiophonic Workshop - Brian, Delia 676 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,760 and Peter Zinovieff, who call themselves Unit Delta Plus. 677 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,120 But I thought, "Christ. 678 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,320 "Yes, absolutely. I want to see it." 679 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,600 So, I shot along to this thing. 680 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,000 And, sure enough, these people were actually doing what, to me, 681 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,520 had just been a fantasy. 682 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,320 Also, I think there's some chemistry 683 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,960 between Delia and I, and we sort of hit it off. 684 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,600 Yes, David sort of erupted out of the audience at the end 685 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,400 of the lecture. 686 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,160 Complete bearded hippie. 687 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,160 A bit like an excitable Peter Pan, really. 688 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,480 And, er... I know he won't mind me saying, he still is! 689 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,000 "Unit Delta Plus! I remember you guys were playing last week 690 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,400 "at the Roundhouse." And we got to talking after, and we just got 691 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,560 on like a house on fire. 692 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,280 And, within a week, we'd started Kaleidophon. 693 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,240 Is this OK? 694 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:30,520 Yes. 695 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,680 I'm here this time, 696 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,640 most nights, no-one comes in. 697 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,480 The night porter thinks I'm a very strange beast, and I am. 698 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,800 Oh, yeah, wow. 699 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,960 Where's the frequency shifter? Frequency shifter? Er, 700 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,880 it's there. There. There! 701 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,360 Ah, yes. 702 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,080 OK. 703 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,760 Yeah. 704 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,360 Well, let's - we can start there, can't we? 705 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,560 Erm. Fantastic. Careful with that. 706 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:14,760 Uh-huh. 707 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,800 How many you got? 12. 12?! Yeah. 708 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,360 Frequency shifter. 709 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,360 And then we have the, erm... Incredible. ..these. 710 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,000 And Phillips's of course. 711 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,880 OK. OK. 712 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,400 ECHOES 713 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,720 Well, we might as well get going, right? Right. 714 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,840 OK, is that linked up to there? Cos I can't see the... 715 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,640 Yes, of course. Of course it is, fantastic. 716 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,520 ECHOING 717 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,520 All right, look, straight away... 718 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,880 ECHOING DISTORTION 719 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200 LOUD DISTORTION 720 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,720 OK. I do know. I use it every day. Yeah. 721 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,160 CHIMING 722 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,080 So, psyche-Delia... 723 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:08,840 ..who are you? 724 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,640 Hm... 725 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,960 Now... 726 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,640 What are you doing? 727 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,440 HE MUMBLES 728 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,400 Golly. 729 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,280 OK. 730 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,080 Oh, oh, gosh, where to start? Go on... 731 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,840 Um, no...I can't. 732 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,160 Please, please, please. OK. 733 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,760 Music... No, I'm not doing this. 734 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,240 Mm! No. Mm. 735 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,680 SHE LAUGHS 736 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,360 Well, I studied music and mathematics at Cambridge. 737 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:05,520 You see, I'm fascinated by harmonics and the numbers that are built 738 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:11,840 into nature - clouds, mountains, and coastlines, and ferns, 739 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,840 and natural fractals. 740 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,320 And, of course, our bodies respond to those numbers, 741 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,760 even at a subconscious level. 742 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,040 And, electronic music... 743 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,280 Well, I don't, I don't know. 744 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,480 I was three years old during the Coventry Blitz, 745 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,600 and I can still hear the sound of the, the air raid sirens, 746 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,360 a sort of permanent background hum. 747 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,560 And then there was silence, followed by the sound of the all-clear. 748 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,480 And I can remember my mother counting in the gaps 749 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,360 between the bombs falling. 750 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,560 Sorry, is this really boring? 751 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,120 No, no, I'm closing my eyes so I can hear you properly. 752 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,080 Yes, yes, I do that sometimes. 753 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,600 And I am very, very stoned. 754 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,480 Go on, go on and on and on, it's nice. No, it's not nice, 755 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,280 not nice at all, David. 756 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,880 Go on, you were talking about your mother, please. Yes, yeah. 757 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,160 Well, she didn't pray, which was strange because she was a devout 758 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,040 Catholic, she counted. 759 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,800 And I think there was something very, 760 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,920 very potent within those spaces, a sort of lifetime of faith 761 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,600 for my mother. 762 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,640 And, as a child, you don't know what that is, of course. 763 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,560 And I think those experiences, 764 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,880 they must live in every cell of your body. 765 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,120 FAINT AMBIENT MUSIC 766 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,280 Oh, I don't know, it's just a silly theory. 767 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,760 AMBIENT DRONE 768 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,760 Stop! Stop, stop, stop... 769 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,920 No, no, I don't care... What do you mean? 770 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,400 I like using...voices, just not 771 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,000 as conventional vocals. What do you mean? 772 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,880 So, if, um, if somebody maybe, in the background, 773 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,000 was having an orgasm... 774 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,960 Right. Yeah? 775 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,960 Then we should use it as one of the waveforms 776 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,120 and then the listener will never know what they're hearing. 777 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,280 DISTORTED SOUND EFFECTS 778 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,840 WOMAN CRIES 779 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,360 HEARTBEATS 780 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,240 SIREN AND SOUND EFFECTS 781 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,400 I mean, it's marvellous. 782 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,640 But, yes, they've turned it down. 783 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,080 What was the problem this time? 784 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,000 Well, you're not here most days, are you? 785 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,560 But I'm here every day, I work through the night. 786 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,800 What's that got to do with them? Well, I can only assume 787 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,680 you have other priorities. I've always preferred to work at night. 788 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,720 You know that. You've seen how I work. Not recently, no. 789 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,360 It's too crowded in here, Desmond, during the day. 790 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,080 There's too much work and there's no space to work in. 791 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,760 Yes. 792 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,920 Well, according to this, it's, uh, it's unforeseen circumstances 793 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,200 that have prevented them from using the piece. 794 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,440 Desmond, they asked for a light-hearted cartoon-like music for 795 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,440 a car-maintenance programme, not the national bloody anthem. 796 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,080 Are we...are we wizards? 797 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,360 Are we...? 798 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,960 Electronic wizards. You know, sound, sound wizards. Yeah... 799 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,320 Oh, and this... 800 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,480 ..this sound here, right, Delia... 801 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,040 ..it put me in mind of, like, an electronic blizzard. 802 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,720 Oh, what, like a wizard in a blizzard?! 803 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:43,200 LAUGHTER 804 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,720 Yeah. 805 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,480 Why, why not? 806 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,880 A wizard in a blizzard. 807 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,680 Yes, why not. 808 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,280 I mean, you might...you might laugh but, listen, this album 809 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,760 could be a sonic rite of passage for future generations. 810 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,920 Yeah? Yeah? 811 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,520 SHE LAUGHS 812 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,000 Just think of it. 813 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,680 It's a romantic triangle, OK? 814 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,640 Because there's, there's us in one corner, 815 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,200 there's the music in the other. 816 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,120 And up here, right, 817 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,840 is the future listeners who we're giving birth to 818 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,880 in this room right here, together. 819 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,280 It's...it's pure electronic sex. 820 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,680 Oh, yes! I love triangles! 821 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,680 I do love triangles. Look... 822 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,920 Yeah. 823 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,000 Mm. 824 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,840 And all their associated forms, tripods, pyramids, 825 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,480 cones... 826 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,080 ..and prisms. Yeah. Cones. Cones. 827 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,600 Yeah. 828 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,200 LAUGHTER 829 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,160 Prisms! Yeah. 830 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,480 Aren't we, Brian? 831 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,200 It's a triangle, isn't it? 832 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,320 It's a romantic triangle, Brian. 833 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,360 Bri... 834 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,640 TRIANGLE CHIMES 835 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,080 CHIME ECHOES 836 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,400 You know, I've always been nonconformist. 837 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,440 I don't like, you know, the eight-bar standard thing, 838 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,160 or the 12-bar blues. 839 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,680 They're beautiful in their way, 840 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,560 but why not explore different phrase length? 841 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,960 Oh, I've exploded my Daleks. Good. Where are you off to 842 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,920 in such a hurry, Delilah? 843 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,360 Brian Jones. Brian Jones is here. I love him. 844 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,960 What, Brian "Rolling Stones" Jones? 845 00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,640 I love him. No, look. 846 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,800 I've got him now. You can have him later. Go and explode your Dalek. 847 00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,520 Brian Jones?! 848 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,200 Goodness me. 849 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,520 There we were with our 12 oscillators, 850 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,040 hand-tuned oscillators. 851 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,680 And eight...circuits... 852 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,240 ..and he sort of went to it... 853 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,120 ..with his... 854 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,480 Oh, I remember him so vividly, with his frilly cuffs, and things. 855 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,080 And he went to it so he could play it as a musical instrument! 856 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,280 SHE LAUGHS 857 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,160 I think he was too spaced out! 858 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,480 AMBIENT MUSIC 859 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,440 I didn't want to go back to cutting up tape, 860 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,080 because I was so against tape machines. 861 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,520 I was incredibly romantic 862 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,920 and Brian and Delia were very practical. 863 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,560 They really weren't interested in the fact that 864 00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,000 in the future, wonderful, exotic things could be done by computers. 865 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,240 They were interested in what could be done today. 866 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,560 The next item, Partita For Unattended Computer, 867 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,960 by Peter Zinovieff, is a true live performance in the sense that 868 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,520 no magnetic tape has been used at all. 869 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,800 Furthermore, the computer has a choice, at various stages 870 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,680 in the procedure, and the piece therefore comes out different every 871 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,880 time it's played. The performance 872 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,880 you're about to hear is therefore unique and unrepeatable. 873 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,480 First of all, checks are made... 874 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,120 VOICEOVER: Right from the beginning, 875 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,600 it never really clicked. 876 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,600 I don't think we quarrelled, but just nothing happened. 877 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,920 Pity it didn't work out with Peter. Hm. I think he's accepted 878 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,000 that we're all pulling in different directions now. 879 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,760 I hope so. I think he's a genius. 880 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,200 I just can't work that way. 881 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,120 What do you think of his idea for an unattended computer? 882 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,640 Well, it's very difficult to say. 883 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,360 I think it's thrilling as a concept. 884 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,040 But are the sounds interesting enough? 885 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,200 He's a visionary, a futurist. 886 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,480 Hm. 887 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,080 LOW RUMBLING 888 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,960 Um. Toodaloo. 889 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,400 Golly. 890 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,400 What's that? 891 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,680 Oh, yeah... 892 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,520 Yeah, it's just, um, yeah, I don't know. 893 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,200 I don't know. 894 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,440 I've just been, I've just been working on it. 895 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,680 It's sort of like an electric bass, but it's got 896 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,120 an electro conductive tape, here. 897 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,720 Yeah. I'm not sure yet. 898 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,360 I don't know. 899 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,720 I dunno. Could be good. Interesting. Could be good. 900 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,080 Yeah. Could be. Yeah. 901 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,240 Good news. I've got good news. Very good news. 902 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,240 Sit down. Sit down. 903 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,960 Oh, just tell us, will you, I can't bear it. 904 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,600 I took some of the stuff we're working on to my friend Chris 905 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,960 at Island Records, and he absolutely loved it. 906 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,000 Absolutely loved it. Loved it. 907 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,840 Great. And he said, "What do you want?" 908 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,320 And I said, "Well, we'd quite like to do a single." 909 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,440 And then he said, "David, how much do you think a single makes?" 910 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,040 I said, "I don't know, Chris. I've really no idea." 911 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,560 He stopped me there. 912 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,360 And then then he said, "ยฃ3,000." 913 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,000 And, so, there and then, 914 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,920 he wrote me a cheque... No. ..for ยฃ3,000, said, 915 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,560 "He's your single. Now, go make an album." 916 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,760 No! Yeah. 917 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,280 Oh, that's marvellous! Yeah, yeah. 918 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,160 Well done, well done. 919 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,440 That's marvellous. 920 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,240 Let's hear it - come on. 921 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,760 Well done. Where is it? 922 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,640 # I'm just as high in a rug looking up 923 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,440 # As I was in a cloud looking down... # 924 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,640 Der, um, dum... 925 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,440 # Fire burn... # 926 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,440 Etc. 927 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,960 Yes, Brian arranged that, a meeting with Chris Blackwell. 928 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,040 I think David had some contacts at Island Records. 929 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,680 I spent as much time 930 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,520 as I could in the studio there, which was on the top floor. 931 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,960 The living accommodation was quite horrendous. 932 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,520 By then, Delia was getting into sort of hippiedom. 933 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,040 The ceiling had a parachute draped from it and she had a cat - 934 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,160 it had fleas, always. 935 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,400 So, we got our numbers together. 936 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,160 SHE SCREAMS 937 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,680 All right, all right, all right, listen, listen... 938 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,920 Think about it, Jen, right, your boyfriend, 939 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,000 he's just...he's just crashed his car. 940 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,320 So, you're running away, in the woods, somewhere off the A1, 941 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,800 through a lay-by. 942 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,480 You are wearing hardly any clothes. Brutal rain, crashing down! 943 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,960 This is horrific. 944 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,600 So, so, give me some more. OK? 945 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:33,960 Give me more. 946 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,400 SHE SCREAMS 947 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,000 More! 948 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,440 SHE SCREAMS 949 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,840 SHE WAILS 950 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,480 Yeah... 951 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,840 Yes! 952 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,960 SHE WAILS 953 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,200 YES! 954 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,160 The rain is... 955 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,240 Blood and piss and rain... 956 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,080 SHE SCREAMS 957 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,320 SCREAMING CONTINUES 958 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,520 Is that the sort of thing? 959 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,320 That's incredible. Right... 960 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,600 Hey. 961 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,880 Hi, darling, hey! 962 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,640 Right. 963 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,400 I did a piece for the Ballet Rambert, 964 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,680 and a couple of actresses 965 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:24,320 from the Royal Shakespeare Company came over to record their voices. 966 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:30,840 And I remember we were...we'd recorded them telling stories 967 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,520 of new experiences, and stuff like that. 968 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:40,800 And, then, just the sounds of laughing, crying, screaming... 969 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,080 ..whispering - just about every emotion you could think of. 970 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,640 And we were mixing these things later, after everyone had left. 971 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,200 And, erm... 972 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,600 ..oh, yeah, there was this banging at the door, really violent 973 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,920 and I opened the door. 974 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,840 The police came in and pushed me aside, searched the place. 975 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,160 When they found there wasn't anybody there, they stopped and told me 976 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,360 what it was about. 977 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:20,000 They said there'd been a complaint that somebody had heard a girl 978 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,160 being hysterically raped in my room. 979 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,320 So, this is what mixing tapes in the night is. 980 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,080 The next day, the guy underneath us dies, 981 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,480 and, less than a week later, the guy next door dies. 982 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,040 And one of them was 98, the other had cancer. 983 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,160 But that didn't stop the people around saying 984 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,480 it's these new electronic sounds that have done them in. 985 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,920 And we were like Frankensteins, 986 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,320 and the villagers had come with their pitchforks, 987 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,400 you know, and we were evicted from that place so damn fast. 988 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,520 WOMAN SOBS 989 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,200 CHANTING 990 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,040 EERIE AMBIENT MUSIC 991 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,520 ROCK AND ROLL DRUMS BEAT 992 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,640 AMBIENT VOICES 993 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,520 ROCK MUSIC PLAYS 994 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,960 Thank you. 995 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,480 Slob. 996 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,240 RADIO: The death has been announced today of former the Rolling Stones 997 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,800 guitarist Brian Jones. He was found dead at his parents' home 998 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,600 in Hatfield, East Sussex. 999 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,960 Yeah, I wept into my washing-up bowl. 1000 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,080 At that time, I was living with David Vorhaus, I think. 1001 01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:04,120 At his parents' country home, country retreat. 1002 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,800 Oh, golly, all these people dying. 1003 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,240 EERIE MUSIC 1004 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,120 YOUNG GIRL: The land at the bottom of the sea. 1005 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,760 WOMAN: It wasn't a stormy sea but it was a frightening sea. 1006 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,280 And I had the sensation that I was going to drown. 1007 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:07,800 TRANSCENDENTAL MUSIC 1008 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,400 MALE VOICE: The dream condition. 1009 01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,080 Mary, hello, how was your journey? 1010 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,240 Oh, magnificent. 1011 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,040 I took the 38 bus from Somers Town, 1012 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,440 it was terribly easy. 1013 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:31,920 Oh, Ada will be here soon. 1014 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,000 I just...I don't know where to begin. 1015 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,720 You must have a clear idea of where you want to end up. 1016 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,240 Otherwise, you'll just be blown about by every momentary 1017 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,360 gust of feeling. 1018 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,640 You must stand firm, my dear, and accept that people will not like it. 1019 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,560 Let's have a drink. 1020 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,760 All the civilised women of the present century are anxious 1021 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,040 only to inspire love, when they ought to have the nobler aim of 1022 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,560 getting respect for their abilities and virtues. 1023 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,320 KNOCK ON DOOR Oh, Ada, Ada. 1024 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,960 Ada, Hello. Please come in. Thank you for coming. 1025 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,840 Mary's been helping me come to terms with a broken heart. 1026 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,440 I need to clarify my own wave patterns and clear them 1027 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,080 of all irrelevancies. 1028 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,720 If anything is blocking that process, your natural resonances 1029 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,440 will be stifled. 1030 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,120 Firstly, you must not wish to have power over men. 1031 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,120 But power over yourself. 1032 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,440 Is that fair, Ada? 1033 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,720 Yes, and perhaps not always happy, perhaps, and not always fulfilled. 1034 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,400 But at one with myself. Yes. 1035 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,080 You need to find friends in women and fellows in men. 1036 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,840 Yes. I'll drink to that. 1037 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,280 Your best and wisest refuge from all troubles 1038 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,400 is in your science, Delia. 1039 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,080 Yes. Essential truth and beauty through music. 1040 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,080 Let the pattern of mathematics 1041 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,320 be my road map to fulfilment. And love, 1042 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,640 by its very nature, must be transitory. 1043 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,240 So, to friendship. To friendship! To friendship. 1044 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,520 CLINKING SOUND RESONATES 1045 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,160 WIND WHISTLES 1046 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,960 FEMALE VOICE: It is raining women's voices as if they were dead. 1047 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,960 Sorry, sorry, it's just a little too posh. 1048 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,160 Uh, yes, that makes sense. Do you want me to do it again? 1049 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,800 Yeah. 1050 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,480 It is raining - oh, hell, that's not it at all. No. 1051 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,000 It is raining. Women's voices... 1052 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,240 Can we just do the whole thing... 1053 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,000 There should be two of these. 1054 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,200 I left... Did you take the other one? 1055 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,200 Bloody hell! 1056 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,200 OK, that's enough, come on now, everybody out. We're overheating. 1057 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,760 Of course we are, because we're sealed in here 1058 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,520 like a tinned shepherd's pie. 1059 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,120 Right, going out. 1060 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,760 I can't stand the sight of Desmond today. 1061 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,160 Delia's depressions grew out of pressure. 1062 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,000 I mean, a depression is basically when you back off from life, 1063 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,960 you depress yourself away from it, and I think that's 1064 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,960 how it all started. 1065 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,000 Everything was expected of Delia. She was the, you know, 1066 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,160 the clever girl at school. 1067 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,000 She was... She shone in everything she did. 1068 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,480 She also, we must remember, she was a mathematician, 1069 01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:29,560 and, very often, mathematicians burn out quite early on in life. 1070 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,320 And I think the circumstances around her private life 1071 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,120 were getting a bit complex. 1072 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,720 I remember, at one point, Ron Grainer saying to her, 1073 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,600 "Delia, you drink too much." 1074 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,200 And she said, "No, I don't." 1075 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,880 It was self-medication, to keep her calm I think. 1076 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:53,360 And the trouble with any sort of medication is it goes 1077 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:57,360 on and on. They were starting in the '70s. 1078 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,640 You know, the late '60s and '70s, and... 1079 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,720 ..went on, really, for the rest of her life. 1080 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,960 She was not a conformist in any way. 1081 01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:10,280 I did rebel against a lot of, um... 1082 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,080 Ah! Yes, yes, I did. 1083 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,120 I did all sorts of things I was told I couldn't do. 1084 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,000 Peter says it's not ready for commercial use yet, may never be. 1085 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,600 They just want to see how we get on with it. 1086 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,520 But the filters and oscillators are much more stable than the VCS 3. 1087 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,560 It's based around a combination of three VCS 3 systems, 1088 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,840 combined into one massive synthesiser. 1089 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,080 Well, you know, I'm sorry, Desmond, but it's hopeless. Right... 1090 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,640 DISCORDANT BEEPING 1091 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,920 Listen, these sounds have nothing to them. 1092 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,040 I think we need to give it a little bit more time to see 1093 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,920 how you can help us. 1094 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,840 Well... That's much faster. 1095 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,720 Certainly won't help me. 1096 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,520 It was called Delaware or they wanted to call it Delaware. 1097 01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,520 So, it wasn't even a Synthi 100, then. 1098 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,960 We only made about 30, 1099 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,920 35 or something. 1100 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,680 But they're marvellous machines. 1101 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,360 I was really looking forward to having synthesisers 1102 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,920 because I knew it would speed up the work so much. 1103 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,400 I was looking forward to being able to do things much more quickly. 1104 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,520 But I think I'm still disappointed with synthesisers and what one can 1105 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,080 do with them, with the flexibility of them. 1106 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,680 I think the trouble was she was too in advance of her time. 1107 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,040 Really, if you look back on it, we all thought 1108 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,360 it was the best thing since sliced bread, 1109 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:40,960 but it was a very primitive machine. 1110 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,120 I'd still like to get inside it somehow and make it do 1111 01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,320 a more human sound than what it does. 1112 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,280 We have a new commission, 1113 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,560 from the Institute of Electrical Engineers. 1114 01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,800 We are going to do a radiophonic workshop in concert. 1115 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,800 We can really show off our Synthi 100, here. 1116 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,520 So, let's wow them. 1117 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,080 Remember, audience-wise, 1118 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,280 while there will be a natural interest in music, electronics, 1119 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,600 and the arts, the social nature of the event 1120 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,160 and the presence of the ladies will require that the programme 1121 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,440 is not too technical, but entertaining 1122 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,320 and aesthetically pleasing. 1123 01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:18,680 So, Delia... 1124 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,360 What are you doing? 1125 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,080 Decomposing. 1126 01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:24,680 Mm. 1127 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,640 This is a nightmare. 1128 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:37,080 There's a deadline looming 1129 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,520 and we haven't heard anything from you yet. 1130 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:45,560 Right. 1131 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,120 HE CLEARS THROAT 1132 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,400 Gladstone... 1133 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,000 ..congratulates Edison. 1134 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,160 Morse code. 1135 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,000 And a space rocket... 1136 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,440 ..taking off. 1137 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:21,560 Use the scaffolding, fit it 1138 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,120 where it fits. 1139 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,960 It was a big, official number 1140 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,960 which was being performed in front of the Queen at the Festival Hall 1141 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,160 and she'd been commissioned to do a short piece 1142 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,080 using the Delaware synthesiser, 1143 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,480 which was, by then, you know, that was the bee's knees 1144 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:44,120 of modern equipment. 1145 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,160 I began by interpreting the actual letters, 1146 01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,040 IEE100, in two different ways. 1147 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,680 The first one in a Morse code version 1148 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,840 using the Morse for IEE100. 1149 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,960 This I found extremely dull rhythmically. 1150 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,600 MORSE CODE PATTERN PLAYS ON A LOOP 1151 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,200 That's just awful. It's just awful! 1152 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,520 It's just bad. 1153 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:23,920 SHE SWITCHES MUSIC OFF 1154 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,360 SYNTHESISER SOUNDS 1155 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,680 SHE SIGHS 1156 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,120 TAPE REWINDS 1157 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:39,120 And I said to him, whatever you do, when you get to the final mix, 1158 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,880 run tapes in the next door studio as well, don't tell her. 1159 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,920 Run duplicates and bring me the duplicates yourself. 1160 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,120 PHONE RINGS 1161 01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,560 Did you get it on with the machine? 1162 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,720 Well done. 1163 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,440 I most definitely suffered from what I'd call 1164 01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:00,400 reverse adrenaline. 1165 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,240 ECHOING: Reverse adrenaline... 1166 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,680 When a project deadline got closer, my output slowed down enormously 1167 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,120 and there were just other things to do. 1168 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,680 But I went to the event. I did my bit. 1169 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,200 Though I was furious with Brian at the time. 1170 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,960 I think it went well. 1171 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:27,800 The Queen liked it, apparently. 1172 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,440 I'm not even sure she stayed till the end. 1173 01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:34,040 I certainly didn't. 1174 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:40,240 I've tried to get into it a feeling of simplicity and loneliness. 1175 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,760 Of a man on a moon. 1176 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,000 It's...it's anaemic. 1177 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,800 We'll play it to them and then we'll see. 1178 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,400 The programme's going into colour now and there's a new Doctor. 1179 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:13,160 So? It's my job to make sure that we stay afloat 1180 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,840 under this particular regime. 1181 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,320 CACOPHONOUS SOUNDS 1182 01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,200 The world went out of tune with itself. 1183 01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:47,520 Looking back, there was something at that time, '72, '73, '74, 1184 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,760 that went wrong. 1185 01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:10,960 It's hard to say why I left. 1186 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,200 Self-preservation, I think. 1187 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,800 I finally left the Workshop in 1973. 1188 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:35,720 I don't have any bitterness. 1189 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,600 I made my own choices. 1190 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,760 DISTORTED BIRDSONG 1191 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,560 Can you hear what I hear? 1192 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:13,400 Partly why she left the BBC was there was a lot of pressure on her 1193 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,680 and at the same time no recognition. 1194 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,760 I think I met Delia in '72. 1195 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,400 I got on quite well with her. 1196 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,120 We looked at Circle Of Light and listened to the soundtrack. 1197 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,880 And I was very impressed. 1198 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,160 I said, OK, I'd like to work with her. So, we went to a pub. 1199 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:36,000 We asked her up to collaborate on our first film, One Of These Days, 1200 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,200 which I made with Elsa Stansfield. 1201 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,320 And she was telling, you know, that she was really fed up 1202 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,160 with the BBC and wanted to do her own things, 1203 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,640 and very curious to hear about the film, and what we wanted to do, 1204 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,480 that she could come to the Netherlands, and like that. 1205 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,400 She felt no restrictions 1206 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,600 and I think that appealed very much to her. 1207 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,800 She was totally free. 1208 01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,680 MUSIC: Circle Of Light, Part 2 by Delia Derbyshire and Elsa Stansfield 1209 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:24,280 I just had to sleep. To me, everything was out of tune 1210 01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:30,280 in the world, so I'd go as far north in England as I can, 1211 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,200 so, I went there. I had a lovely house 1212 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,600 built from stones and Hadrian's wall, yeah. 1213 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,440 SHE CHUCKLES 1214 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,160 Crazy, crazy, crazy! 1215 01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,280 London needs you, Delilah, darling. 1216 01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,600 I've set up my studio permanently now at 8, 9 and 10 Studios, 1217 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,680 Neal's Yard, Covent Garden. 1218 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,520 I've called it Electrophon. 1219 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,840 Perhaps I could lure you back. 1220 01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,680 With love from B. 1221 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,560 Please get in touch. 1222 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,360 I miss you. 1223 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,960 I was in a disused quarry. 1224 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:12,800 They advertised for a French-speaking radio operator. 1225 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,800 And, as soon as I saw the word "radio," I applied. 1226 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,400 Bonjour. 1227 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,320 Delia went to work originally 1228 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,640 on the gas pipeline 1229 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,240 that was being laid across Cumbria. 1230 01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,720 It was all around sound 1231 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,720 and language. 1232 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,160 She was a French speaker 1233 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,440 and would have been bilingual. 1234 01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:36,400 She told me that she'd met her husband when he was laying 1235 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,960 the gas pipelines. 1236 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,200 We kept in touch after Delia left for Cumbria 1237 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:50,880 and went to marry a local man there in Gilsland. 1238 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,440 It looked like they'd nothing in common apart from the drinking. 1239 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,960 There wasn't much else. They were so different. 1240 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,600 And I think, in a little village, like she was, 1241 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,520 people thought she was some kind of screwball, really. 1242 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,800 Delia broke up with her husband. 1243 01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,080 It was inevitable, it was always going to happen, 1244 01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,360 and she went to the LYC and got some work there. 1245 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,280 It was an incredible place. 1246 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,040 She moved into an environment which was much more her 1247 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,600 because it was artists, and stimulation, and things to do. 1248 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,320 I think Delia is one of those people that I met in life 1249 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,560 a bit like a meteor, really. 1250 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,160 It was this incredible flash, 1251 01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,840 this woman who did all these things 1252 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,080 and then just went, 1253 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,720 but I won't ever forget her. 1254 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,240 I lived and worked with one of the first group 1255 01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,320 of Chinese abstract artists, Li Yuan-chia, 1256 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,160 at his art gallery and museum by Hadrian's Wall. 1257 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,360 Well, Li was a very hard working man, 1258 01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,800 and not really a people person, 1259 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,760 you know, kind of shy and afraid. 1260 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,080 And his LYC was really his artwork. 1261 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,560 The museum was his artwork, like a social sculpture. 1262 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,720 And it was also kind of a space where you could drink tea 1263 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,560 in a library, and where children could play. 1264 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:30,360 So it was a very open space with a lot of good exhibitions. 1265 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,240 But I met also Winifred Nicholson through him. 1266 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:39,440 Li got the first building partly through Winifred. 1267 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,040 Did you really convert this place single-handedly? 1268 01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,320 No. 1269 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,160 All the help I need comes from the birds 1270 01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,560 and my good friend Winifred Nicholson. 1271 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,240 Let's play a game. 1272 01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,000 We each write in only two words 1273 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,760 the absolute essence of something, 1274 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,560 or nothing. Like your cosmic point. 1275 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,280 Yes, then we throw the paper and pass to the next person. 1276 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,240 And am I right in saying that the cosmic point is not an object, 1277 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,280 but a proposition about space and time? 1278 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,800 GIGGLING 1279 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,320 OK, so, shall I read them out? 1280 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,720 I've done two because I couldn't decide. Yes. 1281 01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,480 A dot, a prism, an octave. 1282 01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:35,200 HE LAUGHS 1283 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,040 A concrete poem. 1284 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,720 Do you think perhaps we've written the same thing? 1285 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,080 CHORAL SINGING 1286 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,280 NEWSREEL: I condemn all contraception... 1287 01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,520 Euro pollution control has failed to neutralise its... 1288 01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,520 OVERLAPPING POP SONGS PLAY 1289 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,800 Let me read it to you, it's quite funny. 1290 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,480 "Delia Derbyshire, who battled depression..." 1291 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,760 Did I? Golly, maybe I did. 1292 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,480 "Died aged only 64 in 2001." 1293 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:18,840 Yes. That was a shame. 1294 01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,080 "She was the godmother of electronic dance music." 1295 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,320 No idea about any of that. Sounds good, doesn't it? 1296 01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,160 "A hopeless alcoholic." 1297 01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,040 Actually, I was rather a successful alcoholic. 1298 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,280 Who writes this stuff? Really, honestly. 1299 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,200 "She carried out pioneering work for the BBC Radiophonic Workshop 1300 01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:38,560 "in the early 1960s, 1301 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,200 "producing the familiar Doctor Who signature theme." 1302 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,720 Will they ever stop going on about that? 1303 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,280 I very much doubt it. "And collaborating with Brian Jones 1304 01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,200 "and Jimi Hendrix and others." 1305 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,840 Hardly! I glimpsed Jimi once and had a chat with Brian. 1306 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,440 Oh, I loved him and his frilly cuffs, but who didn't. 1307 01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:00,240 "Miss Derbyshire was also a woman of her times, 1308 01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,640 "clad in Biba" - never - "and Mary Quant." 1309 01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,320 What, on my wages? 1310 01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,600 "Her hair in a Vidal Sassoon bob." Wrong. 1311 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,640 Too busy for hairstyles. "A fixture of parties of swinging London." 1312 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,880 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1313 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,560 Here we go. Now, this is why I'm here, you see. 1314 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,200 "She left the BBC a disillusioned woman." 1315 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,880 No, I didn't. 1316 01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:25,480 "She struggled with drink." 1317 01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:28,000 It was never a struggle, always a pleasure. 1318 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,160 "Had a series of unsuitable jobs." 1319 01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,560 I had some lovely ones, as a matter of fact. 1320 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,200 "At one time, she married an out-of-work miner." 1321 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,080 It was a blip, and he wasn't a miner. 1322 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,440 "But settled in the Midlands where she lived in relative obscurity 1323 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:43,800 "and would rail between drinks." SHE LAUGHS 1324 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,120 Wrong! 1325 01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,240 Golly, am I glad I came back. 1326 01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,680 Otherwise... 1327 01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,680 ..who designs the myths? 1328 01:25:54,680 --> 01:26:02,000 MUSIC: Circle of Light by Delia Derbyshire and Elsa Stansfield 1329 01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,840 The sun starts to emerge. 1330 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:50,840 It's only now that in perspective that people are saying... 1331 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,320 ..how important it was. 1332 01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:02,040 But for the kids! I mean, just for the children, like you. 1333 01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:26,800 MUSIC: Circle of Light by Delia Derbyshire and Elsa Stansfield 1334 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:45,160 Egypt, reel three and one closing! 103059

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