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Are you
guys going to stop ever,
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or are you gonna
keep dancing forever?
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- I'm gonna keep dancing
forever, I mean.
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Well, at least 'til
I remember
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where I put my car.
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This
is the story of women
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who hear music
in their heads,
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of radical sounds
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where there was once silence,
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of dreams enabled
by technology.
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- Technology is a
tremendous liberator.
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It blows up power structures.
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Women are naturally drawn
to electronic music.
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You didn't have
to be accepted
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by any of the
male-dominated resources:
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the radio stations,
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the record companies,
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the concert hall venues,
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the funding organisations.
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You could make something
with electronics
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and you can present music
directly to your audience
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and that gives you
tremendous freedom.
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But somehow women get
forgotten from that history.
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The
history of women
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has been a
story of silence,
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of breaking through
the silence.
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- We shall not be
robbed any longer.
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With beautiful noise
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- This is April 30th, 1974.
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And we're all here at
the Bonino Gallery.
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What's your name?
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- Suzanne Ciani,
C-I-A-N-I.
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And I'm going to give...
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I'm going to play a concert
on the Buchla synthesizer.
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These instruments are
designed by a manufacturer
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in Berkeley, California.
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They're probably the most
sophisticated system
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that's available.
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And I think they're sensual.
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May I have a cigarette?
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They're what?
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- Sensual.
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Thank you.
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With this new technology,
you could do it all yourself.
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So you were the composer.
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you were the performer,
you were the sole arbiter
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of your creation.
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And the machine was alive.
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It was warm.
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It communicated.
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It was sensitive.
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You know, you could
move something
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just the littlest bit
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and then a whole new
expression would open up.
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One of the most amazing
experiences you can have
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is to be in the middle of
this sound that's moving.
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The thing that I've always
loved about electronic music
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is that it's in motion.
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It's malleable.
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It's a much more open
set of dynamics.
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In electronics, you're not
dealing so literally with
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the architecture of
nodes or harmonies,
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those building blocks
in classical music.
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You're dealing in energy.
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At the
dawn of the 20th century,
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the world was
no longer silent.
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The spirit of modern
life was a banshee
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screeching into
the future.
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Futurists wanted to
make art out of
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the new energy,
speed, and noise.
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How would we begin
to do such a thing,
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to capture the sound of
this electrified world?
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- I do very much what
a diver would do.
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I just have to take a chance.
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And here I am.
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See?
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A hair breadth off and I'm
already on a different note.
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Dr. Ray, now
we'll have fun.
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Now we'll have fun.
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Now, here, hold
your hand over this.
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It is a fallacy to think
that the instrument
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is easy to play.
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It is much more difficult
than the violin.
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I was a concert violinist
before I played this.
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As young girls, both my sister
and I gave joint concerts
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playing the violin and the
piano all over Russia
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then all over Europe.
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We played our way to America.
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I met Professor Theremin
when he came to America
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to demonstrate the instrument.
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I was fascinated by
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the aesthetic part
of the instrument,
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the beauty,
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and the idea of
playing completely
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without touching anything.
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I also loved the sound of it.
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Professor Theremin became
a great friend and admirer,
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and we really worked on
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this particular
instrument together.
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I making my musical
pushes known to him,
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and he being the
genius that he was
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made it work.
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And we played the
Nardini Concerto.
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We played the whole
César Franck Sonata,
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which was at that time
a rather great surprise
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because the Theremin
was associated with
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just little melodies.
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Suddenly
you get someone
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who's a total virtuoso
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and able to make
it sound in a way
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that it had never
sounded before.
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You cannot
play air with hammers,
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Clara would say.
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You have to play with
butterfly wings.
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I was a
freak at the time.
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The public had to be won
over into thinking of it
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as a real artistic medium
played by an artist,
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and I won them over.
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A young composer
said to me,
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"It's listening to this
singing of a soul."
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Now isn't that
a lovely thought,
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singing of a soul?
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- The first stage in the
realisation of a piece of music
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is to construct the
individual sounds
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that we're going to use.
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To do this,
we go to these
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sound generators here,
electronic generators,
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and we listen to three of the
basic electronic sounds.
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First, is the simplest
sound of all,
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which is a sine wave.
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You can see on
the oscilloscope,
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it has a very simple form and
has a very pure sound.
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Now listen to the same note
but with a different quality.
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This is a square wave.
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It's very square
on the picture
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and perhaps rather
harsh to listen to.
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This is because it has a lot
of high harmonics
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and that's what gives the
corners on the picture.
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Now a more complex
sound still is white noise.
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We don't always go to
electronic sound generators
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for our basic
sources of sound.
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If the sound we want exists
already in real life, say,
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we can go and record it.
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But those basic sounds
aren't really interesting
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in their raw
state like this.
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To make them of value
for a musical piece,
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we have to shape them
and mold them.
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We can get the lower sounds
we need from the rhythm
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by slowing down the tape.
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And the higher sounds by
speeding up the tape.
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And then all we have
to do is cut the notes
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to the right length.
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We can join them together on
a loop and listen to them.
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And then with the higher
notes of the rhythm, again,
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we join them
together in a loop
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and play it in
synchronisation
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with the first tape.
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And over this we can play.
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Using all of these we can
build up any sound
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we can possibly
imagine.
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We spend quite a lot of time
trying to invent new sound,
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sounds that don't
exist already,
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sounds that can't be produced
by musical instruments.
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The radio, the radio,
the radio was
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the most important
thing in my life.
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You know, there
weren't books.
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The radio was my education.
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I was accepted by the Oxford
and the Cambridge
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to read mathematics,
which is quite something
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for a working-class
girl in the '50s,
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where only one in 10
were female.
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- Delia was a
brilliant mathematician.
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She was fascinated by the
inner composition of a sound.
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Then she could reach
into it and decide
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what part of that sound
she wanted to use.
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I was in
Coventry during the Blitz.
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That was such an
influence on me.
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It's come to me that my love
for abstract sounds were
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sounds of the air raid siren.
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Because that's the sound you
hear and you don't know
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the source of it
as a young child.
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It's an abstract sound
and it's meaningful
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and then the all clear.
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World War II
emptied cities of men.
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And in the absence of
men, women worked.
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Freedom was more
than a feeling.
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There isn't
much glamour
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about this
independence.
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Women at work are
getting to look and behave
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more like men.
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It's not very attractive.
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- Welcome to Tower Folly,
this lonely host house
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on the North Downs of Kent.
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Well, as far
as I know
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this house isn't haunted
and there isn't
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a mad scientist in sight.
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This is in fact a music factory
where they can literally
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make music out of
electronic sounds,
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and the woman who makes it
has just been awarded a grant
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by the Gulbenkian Foundation
to help her research.
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She's here at
her control box,
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Miss Daphne Oram.
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How did you get involved
in this kind of work?
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- It dates back really
to 1944, I think,
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when I read a book
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which prophesied that
composers in the future
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would compose directly
into sound instead of
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using orchestral
instruments, you see.
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And well, since then
I've been working
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in BBC Studios,
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and so I've got
some little grasp
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of this sort of
equipment.
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I was trained as a musician,
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and the two sort of
click together, you see.
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- Daphne was a
very gifted pianist
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and she had secured
a place for herself
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at the Royal Academy of Music,
which she turned down
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because she was also very
interested in technology
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and wanted to
work at the BBC.
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I was asked to do some
incidental music
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for a television play,
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and I did this by
getting together,
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in the middle of the night,
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all the tape recorders that
I could find in studios,
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collecting them together
in one studio,
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and working until they had to
be put back the next morning,
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sleeping a little bit and
then coming back in
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to do my normal
chamber music work.
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Then it grew from that.
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I was asked to help start
the radiophonic workshop.
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Listen.
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- Without Daphne,
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it would never have started
because BBC did not want
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an electronic music studio.
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We were just using anything
we could grab hold of.
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We had basic
laboratory equipment
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and a pair of tape machines
that had been liberated
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at the end of the war.
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- Playwrights were
writing in a surreal
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kind of style,
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which was a
legacy of the war.
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The style required a
different kind of sound.
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Bird or angel?
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This
program is an experiment.
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We think it's
worth broadcasting
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as a perfectly serious
first attempt
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to find out whether
we can convey a new kind of
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emotional and
intellectual experience
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by means of what we call
radiophonic effects.
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Round and round
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like a wind
from the ground.
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It's
a sort of modern magic.
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Some musicians believe that
it can become an art form
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complete in itself.
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Others are skeptical.
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In fact, we've decided
not to use
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the word "music" at all.
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What
began as a research trip
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to the Brussels World Fair
became a fateful pilgrimage.
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There, Daphne hears
an electronic composition
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fed through 350 speakers
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with synchronised
projections.
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Electronic music was more
than just incidental.
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It was the sound
of the future.
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The radiophonic
workshop was concentrating
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somewhat on the drama side,
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and I wanted to concentrate
on the music side.
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So I set up my own studio.
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- She was a woman,
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in the 1950s,
set up her own
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independent electronic
music studio.
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It's extraordinarily brave.
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Now Miss Oram,
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how do you go about
manufacturing
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this sort of sound?
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- Well, let me introduce
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this little electronic
generator here,
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which produces
a sound like this.
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Now I made a little
loop of tape here
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with varying pure
tones on it.
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Now if I then put a little
artificial reverberation
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on that,
I think you'll see
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we're just beginning
to get somewhere
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with the music.
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What are
you going with this
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three-and-a-half thousand
pounds that you've got?
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- Well, this is very
exciting to me
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because I have ideas for a
piece of electronic equipment,
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not quite like this.
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In this case,
the composer,
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we're going to be able to
feed in drawn symbols
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straight into the equipment
and out will come the sounds.
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I have a new
technique completely,
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one that I've evolved
over the years,
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which I call oramics.
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Now that is using graphic
representation of sound.
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There seems to be
no real notation system
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in electronic music.
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I wanted a system where I
could graphically represent
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what I wanted and
give that representation,
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that musical score,
in fact, to a machine
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and have from it
the sound.
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- This idea of drawn sound
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is a sound that
comes from nowhere.
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It's a sound that is
synthesised from nothing,
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but she's not the
ghost in the machine
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her hands are
all over it.
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- The composer wants to
project something of himself.
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The great works of art are a
projection of a human mind.
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And unless this machine can
accept and produce exactly
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this projection of the
composer's thought,
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then I think it's just a
machine and I can quite see
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why people can get
frightened at the thought.
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Pierre Schaeffer said, "In
between noise and music,
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"there is the hand
of the musician."
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- Stop.
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Eliane
dreamt of an unreal,
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impalpable music appearing
and fading away like clouds
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in the blue summer sky.
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Greenwich Village is
mostly a state of mind.
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The Village
in the 50s had to be
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the most exciting, wonderful
place in the world.
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It was unbelievable,
like Paris in the 20s.
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We were married in '48 and
Louis's cousin brought us
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a tape recorder for
a wedding present.
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I think we were the
only ones in the country
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with that machine.
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We had all the artists in
The Village coming to us
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for recording work.
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I remember my first
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birth in water.
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I sway and float,
stand on boneless toes,
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listening for
distant sounds,
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sounds beyond the
reach of human ears.
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We started
a recording studio.
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We built almost all the
equipment ourselves
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because there
wasn't any to buy.
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The great
American boy is hard at work
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inventing, creating,
building something.
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And the desire to build
and create new things
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is the energy that develops
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industrious, dependable
citizens of tomorrow.
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It was
exciting because you were
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building these things and
you're experimenting with
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the electronic media.
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Louis made sounds
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by overloading circuit boards,
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which Bebe then processed and
manipulated to create music.
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To the writer,
Anaïs Nin,
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it sounded like a molecule
had stubbed its toe.
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And we started
working on avant-garde films.
352
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That's what this
was all about,
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was the avant-garde.
354
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The sense of wonder and awe,
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00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,280
the beauty coming
from the circuits.
356
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,280
I mean we would just sit back
and let them take over.
357
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These circuits
are not instruments.
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They are performance.
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We would record
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everything that
came out of the circuits.
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I spent hours and
hours and hours
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00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,680
listening to all that stuff.
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Oh yeah.
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00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Well, later you
went through-
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Days!
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- Miles of tape.
- Yeah.
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Incredible, and she could
hold it in her memory.
368
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She could remember where to
go for a certain feeling
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in the sound.
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00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,160
- Bebe had a formal
musical education.
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00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,160
She made most of the
compositional decisions
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00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,440
while Louis dealt more with
the technical side of things.
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The Barrons'
greatest achievement
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was with the music for
Forbidden Planet.
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00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,080
It was the first movie with
an all-electronic score.
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00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,080
- The pride and joy of
that period was in coming up
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00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,360
with the music
for the monster.
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We were just
beside ourselves.
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Suddenly, this circuit
started generating
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the most complex sounds.
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The dying of Morbius was the
actual dying of the circuit.
382
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,600
We would
have a credit that said,
383
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,240
"Electronic music by
Louis and Bebe Barron."
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00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,960
But a memo was circulated
among the executives.
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00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,240
How would the American
Federation of Musicians
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00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,560
respond to a credit that
says electronic music?
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00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,160
- The Musicians' Union would not
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00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,000
allow the soundtrack
to be considered music.
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00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,320
They were afraid that someday
their jobs would be replaced
390
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,920
by machines and so they
would have none of it.
391
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,560
That's why it's credited
as "electronic tonalities."
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00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920
It was so awful.
393
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,480
We were barely
acknowledged as composers.
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00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,280
- Prior to Dr. Who,
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00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,280
there's a lot of distaste
of electronic music.
396
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Delia's music is
absolutely crucial
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00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,760
in changing
that perception.
398
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,000
It's like a
lighthouse, isn't it?
399
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
I wonder what it's like up
there in a thunderstorm.
400
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Think of being up there
on a starry night,
401
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
with all the world
at your feet.
402
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,280
- You get people
who are writing in
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00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,320
saying, "What is this?"
404
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,320
"How is it made?"
405
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,720
- Imagine what life must
have been like
406
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040
before samplers,
before synthesizers,
407
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,760
before sequencers?
408
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,280
It took her 40 days to make
the Doctor Who theme.
409
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,720
40 days.
410
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,240
- She would sample
a green lamp shade,
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00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,240
speed it up,
reverse it,
412
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,200
and just completely changed
the nature of the sound.
413
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,840
- This was a
documentary program
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00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,000
about the Tuareg tribe,
415
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,160
the Tuareg tribe of nomads
in the Sahara desert.
416
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,560
In the piece,
I tried to convey
417
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,280
the distance of the horizon
and the heat haze,
418
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,280
the strand of camels
wandering across the desert.
419
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,200
That, in fact, was made
from square waves
420
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:18,280
put through every filter
I could possibly find.
421
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,240
There must be a god.
422
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,560
Oh, yes.
423
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,280
Delia Derbyshire created
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00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,200
some very, very
beautiful things
425
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:54,160
and some things that had
426
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,440
a very strange and
unearthly quality
427
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,680
that couldn't quite be got, I think,
by normal musical means
428
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,360
and yet didn't
sound as if
429
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,360
they were electronically
manufactured.
430
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,520
- Some of it was
worked out mathematically.
431
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,320
I've tried to get into it
432
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,720
a feeling of simplicity
and loneliness,
433
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,720
of a man on a moon.
434
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
That's
one small step for man,
435
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,320
one giant leap
for mankind.
436
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,840
She created
a kind of pathway
437
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,240
for electronic music.
438
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,520
I did all
sorts of things
439
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,560
I was told I couldn't do.
440
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,760
I think I've always been a
very independent thinker.
441
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,280
While
the work of women
442
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,240
like Delia and Daphne
443
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,040
came from the deafening
sounds of wartime,
444
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,200
it was the chilling silence
of the Cold War
445
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:40,200
that took others to
the limits of listening.
446
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,240
- The bomb scare psychology
447
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,160
that was inculcated,
448
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,240
that had a big
effect on the artists
449
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
that were emerging
at that time.
450
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,240
Everybody was pushing
for opening things up,
451
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480
a kind of way through
all the terrible stuff
452
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,200
that was going on in
the world at the time.
453
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,480
So there was a lot of
political motivation behind
454
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,800
what we were doing.
455
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,800
Peace now!
456
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,000
Peace now!
Peace now!
457
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,480
The
effect was to say,
458
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,800
okay, we've got
to break through
459
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,000
anything that was rigid,
anything that was limiting,
460
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,680
and try to move
things forward.
461
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,600
- The music scene
462
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,280
was evolving into
an area that was
463
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,760
very fresh and exciting.
464
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,200
First time I heard
live electronic music
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00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,160
was early '60s.
466
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Pauline was on stage
with an accordion.
467
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,160
The room was exploding with a
sound that was ear-splitting.
468
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,680
I had never experienced
that kind of volume before.
469
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:11,960
I can't remember
470
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,160
when I wasn't
interested in sounds.
471
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,920
I remember particularly
things like riding in the car
472
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,000
with my parents for instance,
maybe in the backseat,
473
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,280
listening to the sound
of the motor
474
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,680
and listening to the sound
of my parents' voices
475
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,280
being modulated by the motor.
476
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,680
Listening to my father
turn his shortwave radio,
477
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,160
listening to the whistles
and pops and static.
478
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,800
I mean, I was
always fascinated with
479
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,800
the in-between sounds
in the stations,
480
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,160
just tuning in between.
481
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,440
I loved that.
482
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,320
I credit my mother.
483
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,160
For my birthday, she
sent me a tape recorder,
484
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,800
and that was a very
significant event
485
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,440
because nobody had
tape recorders, you know.
486
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,160
It was in the 50s.
487
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,800
I began to do field recording
from my apartment window.
488
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,320
And then in 1959
got started making
489
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,040
a tape piece called
Time Perspectives.
490
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,200
The tape recorder that I had,
it was possible to record
491
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:45,280
by hand winding the
tape in record mode.
492
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,440
That gave me a variable
speed so I could do
493
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,440
some interesting
things with that.
494
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,360
And I used the bathtub for
reverberation
495
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,760
and cardboard tubes as filters.
496
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320
I'd put microphones in the
tube and then record sounds
497
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,720
through the tube.
498
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,240
Eventually, I met up
with a group of people
499
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,280
who were interested
in new music,
500
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,200
which led to
the founding of
501
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,280
the San Francisco
Tape Music Center.
502
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,080
- The San Francisco
Tape Music Center
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00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,160
was not associated
with an institution.
504
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,240
So it was friends brought
together what equipment
505
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,200
they had to share.
506
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,240
- Our sense of what
we were doing
507
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,360
at that point was opening
a place where poets,
508
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,080
painters, film, and
electronic or tape music,
509
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,360
where all this stuff
could be done.
510
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,520
It was a sense
of individuality.
511
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,840
Nobody wanted to
be like anyone else
512
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,080
and everybody was
very supportive
513
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,200
of what everybody
else was doing.
514
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,760
- My interest was always
in live performance
515
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,280
and I started to find out
ways to use tape recorders
516
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,160
and perform live with them,
and that was making
517
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,280
a tape delay system,
which allows me
518
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,760
to maintain that physical
contact with the sound.
519
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,520
How do
you exercise the canon of
520
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,760
classical music of misogyny
521
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,800
with two oscillators,
a turntable, and tape delay?
522
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,800
- Feminism was at the center
523
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,760
of what she was doing,
524
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,360
and it's strange because it
seems like if the boys' club
525
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,200
is going to pick a token
woman, you would not pick
526
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,320
a woman who is
that outspoken.
527
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,760
- Pauline was conscious
of the fact that
528
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,280
she was different.
529
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200
She had a streak of
a revolutionary in her.
530
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,920
- Pauline, it was hard,
you know,
531
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,240
she had come
out in the 50s
532
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,200
and here she was
a woman, gay,
533
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,240
avant-garde music,
534
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,720
each thing by itself
would be hard,
535
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,440
but she had three
things that were hard
536
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,840
and women composers
537
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,920
were not being
performed, you know.
538
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,520
You
wrote an editorial
539
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,240
to the New York Times
once called
540
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,440
"Don't Call Them
'Lady' Composers"
541
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,840
- That's right.
- Tell us about
542
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,760
when you wrote
that and why.
543
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,440
I just want to be
introduced as a composer.
544
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160
That has caused me
to use that title
545
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,160
and to start
to point out
546
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,320
how hard it was for women
to be taken seriously
547
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,160
as creators of music.
548
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,960
Go
out walking at night.
549
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,200
Tread so quietly the bottoms
of your feet become ears.
550
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,000
Working with an
all-women ensemble,
551
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,200
instructions like these were
intended to encourage
552
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,000
deep listening.
553
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,280
I was alarmed
554
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,920
as many were,
of course,
555
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,320
with the Vietnam War,
556
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,040
and I began to seek some ways
of working with sound
557
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,200
that I could discover more
of a kind of inner peace.
558
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,280
I found myself listening
to long sounds
559
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,560
and becoming more
interested in
560
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,840
what the sounds
did themselves
561
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,480
than what I would
do with them.
562
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,240
And as this work proceeded,
563
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,200
I began to become interested
in what the kind of listening
564
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:38,160
I was doing did to me and my
own internal processes.
565
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,440
Does it have
566
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,080
social and political
implications to you,
567
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,600
the kind of music
that you write?
568
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,040
- Oh, yes.
569
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,440
Well, I feel that
one's interactions,
570
00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,760
the way one relates in an
organization of any kind,
571
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:07,720
is political and social
and very important.
572
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,360
The path that I hope to be on
is one where the energy
573
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,600
that comes out of the work
that I do is beneficial
574
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,320
to others as
well as myself.
575
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,840
I want my work to be
mutually beneficial.
576
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,240
I'm not interested in
577
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,560
making an object of
art and entertainment.
578
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,280
I'm interested in making
something that helps me
579
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,800
to grow and expand and
change as an individual
580
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,160
and in relation
to others.
581
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,000
Pauline's
preoccupation with
582
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,200
how we hear and feel
583
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,600
the sounds within
and around us
584
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,280
were shared by
Maryanne Amacher at MIT,
585
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,480
who was sounding
out the city.
586
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,240
- I had installed a
microphone
587
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,320
in eight locations at
the Boston Harbour
588
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,240
in the New England
Fish Exchange
589
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,200
connected to
telephone links.
590
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,200
It was very nice to
come in late at night
591
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,360
at 1:00 in the morning
592
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,760
and just turn on the
mixer and have the sound
593
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,720
coming from the distant
night when I liked it best
594
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,360
because I could hear
patterns in various shapes.
595
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,800
I realized, my, there's
a tone of this place.
596
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,800
There's a whole undercurrent
that exists here
597
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,200
that makes this
recognisable in some way.
598
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,320
It wasn't hard to
analyse it in Boston.
599
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,160
It was like a low F sharp.
600
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,240
Then other places,
for example, New York,
601
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,960
it was like a low E.
602
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,560
It wasn't that I wanted
the sounds of the birds
603
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,480
or the sounds of the harbour
or any of these sounds,
604
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,480
I really wanted to experience
and learn about hearing.
605
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,040
When people say to you,
606
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,000
"Yeah, but is it music?"
607
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,320
After you say,
"Yes it is,"
608
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,160
how do you
expand on that?
609
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,320
Well,
I think that's sort of
610
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,080
an old question.
611
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,760
Much of our music, classical
pop, has this beat,
612
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,280
has this gallop,
has this trot.
613
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,480
I'm interested in music that
communicates some ideas,
614
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,240
finding places where there is
space and dimension
615
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,560
to the sound,
616
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,000
sounds very very far away
and very close up.
617
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,840
- Maryanne was really
interested in
618
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,520
contemporary science.
619
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,200
She had been very interested
in muon research,
620
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,360
these particles that speed
through the universe.
621
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,200
- She was constantly
thinking about
622
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,480
intersections of science,
life, and sound.
623
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,720
- Her house
was incredible.
624
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,760
It was in breathtakingly
bad condition.
625
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,080
There was this
whole rack
626
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,280
full of these sine
wave oscillators
627
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,080
straight out of
a physics lab.
628
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,320
And there's this
woman sitting there
629
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,000
with this really intense,
buzzy energy.
630
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,200
- She'd have a
rock-and-roll attitude
631
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,280
towards, "I'm going to
make this whole house
632
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,240
"vibrate and come alive."
633
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,160
- She wanted to
develop an extremely
634
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,520
rigorous approach
to listening,
635
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,240
to activating sights,
636
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,360
to thinking outside of
composition as it's known.
637
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,960
She didn't want
to push around
638
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,320
dead white men's notes.
639
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,080
- I wanted to
create music where
640
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,360
the listener actually had
641
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,280
vivid experiences
of contributing.
642
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,040
In composing, I am
conscious of the tones
643
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,320
that you make in
response to the tones
644
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,240
that a musician plays.
645
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,480
- One of the phenomenon
she was
646
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,160
most interested in was
otoacoustic emission.
647
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,560
She referred to
them as ear tones.
648
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,280
If you have two frequencies
and they sound together,
649
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,200
the ear and the mind try
to sort of resolve them.
650
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:36,240
There is an emergent
third pitch.
651
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,840
She can compose these outer
things that will produce
652
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:40,960
this inner thing.
653
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,280
She would refer to it as
654
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,560
ghost writing the
listener's music.
655
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,280
- The first time one
encounters her music
656
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,920
and the way that it
dances inside your ear
657
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,600
is this light bulb moment.
658
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,280
You can actually play with
659
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,280
the physicality
of the listener.
660
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,280
- Merce Cunningham commissioned
661
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,680
a piece from her.
662
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:25,000
You'd hear this
very high pitch.
663
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,280
And then there
would be thunder,
664
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,680
beautiful thunder recorded
in stereoscopic sound
665
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,200
that would shift across
the room.
666
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,440
And when it hit, there
would be this array
667
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,320
of other frequencies
that would happen.
668
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,760
It was very very beautiful.
669
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,200
The idea of
670
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,360
a slowly-evolving composition
671
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,360
that alters the listener
672
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,800
also fired the imagination
of Eliane Radigue.
673
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,160
- When I met Eliane,
674
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,800
she had been working with
the Buchla synthesizer,
675
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,800
yet this piece that
she wrote, Chry-ptus,
676
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,200
sounded nothing
like a Buchla.
677
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,240
- We're talking
with Eliane Radigue
678
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,600
who's here from Paris.
679
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,280
Are you working with
both synthesisers
680
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,560
and tape recording
processes?
681
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,280
Yes,
the ARP synthesiser
682
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:35,160
and the tape recorder.
683
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,160
My main involvement with
music is to work on
684
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,760
slow changing
of the sounds.
685
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,440
So in a way,
686
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,360
you're working with time?
687
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,320
Yes,
my last work, Adnos II,
688
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,320
is 75 minutes long,
and it couldn't be shorter.
689
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,440
It just goes like a stream.
690
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,360
I should say that
this music I make
691
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,760
is not so much welcome,
692
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,440
except by a few
people, of course.
693
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,160
There is nothing in between.
694
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,560
People likes it,
or not at all.
695
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,040
For the music establishment,
696
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,320
they think that I
don't make music.
697
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,520
That's not music.
698
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,080
Oh, still arguing
about that, are we?
699
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,280
- Our music was meant
to be listened to
700
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,320
in a different way than
how you'd listen to, like,
701
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,160
a pop song.
702
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,440
In a pop song
you're listening for
703
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,800
melodies, harmonies, lyrics.
704
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,440
In her music, you're
listening not just
705
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,160
for the things that are
changing in the sound,
706
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,160
but for the way
that the experience
707
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,760
is changing your disposition.
708
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,200
I'll
make it start very dull
709
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,520
and then get very
bright like that.
710
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,840
It sounds more like
a trumpet sound.
711
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,280
And I'll add a little echo.
712
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,240
- The transgressive act of
713
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:11,160
recontextualizing these classic
Western art music tropes,
714
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:20,280
that takes a lot of strength,
humour, and vision.
715
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Up until
that moment,
716
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,560
electronic music
had this promise
717
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,200
of a different vocabulary,
a different language,
718
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,760
a new paradigm,
a new way of working.
719
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,160
Switched-On Bach,
the way it impacted
720
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:40,280
the public's consciousness
of what a synthesiser was,
721
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,280
was completely retroactive.
722
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Everybody thought that
these things were about
723
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:53,240
replicating sounds.
724
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:58,320
To me, electronic music wasn't
about making baroque music
725
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,320
with new timbres.
726
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,200
It was a different
kind of music.
727
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,160
You just had the
Summer of Love.
728
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:13,200
Everything we knew
was being thrown out,
729
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,240
and it was a whole new world.
730
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,600
Electronics were
part of that world.
731
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:19,280
- What are they?
732
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,040
- Oh, these are
patch cords.
733
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,320
These are the things
that route the signal
734
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,160
from one little module to
another to get the sound.
735
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,840
You can patch it a lot of
different ways and the way
736
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,760
you patch it will
determine what you get.
737
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,280
It's like creating
an instrument.
738
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Do you
know before you put them in
739
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,760
what it's going
to sound like?
740
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,240
- Well, you're always
going towards an idea.
741
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,080
That's what makes you put the
patch cords in certain places.
742
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,240
Part of an
instrument is what it can do
743
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,840
and part of it is
what you do to it.
744
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,200
The other part of music of
course is the motion
745
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,200
and the personal involvement
that a musician gives
746
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,200
to his instrument,
747
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,160
and that's something
that I happen to feel
748
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,560
and have with
synthesisers.
749
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,960
So I play the synthesiser
the same way
750
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,480
somebody else would
play cello or violin.
751
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,280
- For a classically
trained pianist
752
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,920
to turn her back
on a keyboard,
753
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,200
she's crazy.
754
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,320
It was like learning
a new language
755
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,200
via the means of cutting
out your own tongue.
756
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,040
Yeah, I can sing
out of tune
757
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,280
and it'll still be in tune
758
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,280
because it depends on
what I'm playing.
759
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,080
This is all the pitch so you
don't have to really be able
760
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,360
to sing to do this.
761
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,360
So, it's great.
it's great.
762
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,240
Hello, hello, hello.
763
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,360
I couldn't get a record deal
764
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,680
because the record companies
765
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,440
were not interested in a
woman who did not sing.
766
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,200
Advertising wanted
to be on the edge.
767
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,240
They were looking for
something different.
768
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,360
I had total freedom.
769
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,240
Nobody could tell
me what to do.
770
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,360
They didn't know what I did.
771
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,160
The new
Clairol custom care
772
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,720
coon brush.
773
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:14,520
Atari is going to
774
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,560
turn your head around.
775
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,960
Big
news from Covergirl.
776
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,240
- There's a whole new
thick lash mascara.
777
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,160
- The landscape that
she must have walked into
778
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,160
must have been like
something from Mad Men.
779
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,160
I remember Suzanne
telling me stories like
780
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,240
she'd turn up
early to set up
781
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,240
all the modular
gear in studios
782
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,520
and a young engineer
would come in and go,
783
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,720
"Which mic are you
going to sing on?"
784
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,240
or, "What are you
going to sing for us?"
785
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,080
Because those
stereotypes were
786
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,360
so commonplace in
studios in those days.
787
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,240
Welcome to Xenon.
788
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,600
- More than anybody else,
789
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:55,240
she built a career out of
making weird music,
790
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,520
which is something I think
everybody aspires to.
791
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,240
She had her own company.
792
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,240
She was able to turn
her art into something
793
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,240
she can live on.
794
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,160
Don't be afraid.
795
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,240
This is my almost male voice.
796
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,240
- Make the thing
make noises for us.
797
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,000
- Okay, let's-
798
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,960
- Now first of all, why
do you have this stuff?
799
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:21,600
What do you do with this?
800
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,960
- Well, this is how
I make a living.
801
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,160
- But I mean, you don't
go door-to-door saying,
802
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,680
I'll make you sound goofy.
803
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:30,280
- Yeah, they call me.
they call me.
804
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,000
- They call you.
805
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,520
Should I stop?
806
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,920
- No, let it go for
about half an hour.
807
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,280
That's wonderful.
808
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,320
It was 1980.
809
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,480
I was hired to do a
Hollywood feature.
810
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,240
It was a Lily Tomlin movie.
811
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,320
Lily was a woman, the
head of the production
812
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,040
at Universal was a woman.
813
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,200
So I had two women
in positions of power.
814
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,720
And guess what?
I got hired.
815
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,240
- Is that package for me?
816
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,720
- Mike, it's for me.
817
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,160
I didn't know I was
the first woman
818
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,160
to be hired to score a
major Hollywood feature,
819
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,360
and I didn't know that
it would be 14 years
820
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,240
until another
woman was hired.
821
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,680
We are casualties of
a day-to-day system
822
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,200
that operates
without awareness
823
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,240
that we're even there.
824
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,240
♪ Galaxy glue ♪
825
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:56,240
♪ Life would go to pieces
without galaxy glue ♪
826
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,680
There weren't
any women composers
827
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:58,280
that I knew of.
828
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,000
I had never heard of one.
829
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Composers were old
white dead men.
830
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,160
It was just not something
I ever thought of
831
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,080
as something I could do.
832
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,360
When they asked
me in high school,
833
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,280
"What would you like to
do with your life?"
834
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,280
I said, "I would
love to do music."
835
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,200
They said, "Totally
out of the question.
836
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,440
"You would have needed
to have music lessons
837
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,520
"all during your childhood."
838
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,760
So I did a degree
in social sciences,
839
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,560
but secretly I really always
wanted to do music.
840
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,560
After I got my bachelor's and
moved to New York,
841
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,000
I thought, I'm
going to regret it
842
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:42,320
for the rest of my life if
I don't give it a real try.
843
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,960
I was taking ear training
and music at Juilliard
844
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:52,160
and happened to be in
Mike Czajkowski's class.
845
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,160
And he was working
with Mort Subotnick.
846
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,160
Mike dragged me down to
Mort's studio and it was like
847
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,800
music went from black
and white to color.
848
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,160
I fell in love with
electronic music.
849
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,280
It completely changed the
way I heard everything.
850
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,560
The sounds of the
traffic in the street
851
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,200
no longer sounded the same.
852
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,000
I always wanted to do
something in the arts
853
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,960
that had to do with the real,
authentic experience
854
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,520
of being alive,
in contrast to
855
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,480
the 1950s hypocritical
reality in which I lived,
856
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,200
in which everything
was glossed over
857
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:33,080
with cotton candy.
858
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,280
- A perfect dinner Judy.
859
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,280
And you said she
couldn't boil water
860
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,680
without burning it.
861
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,200
I got involved in
the downtown art scene,
862
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,040
which is like "try
anything," you know?
863
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,920
I tackled learning the Buchla
modular analogue system.
864
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,200
While I could do all kinds of
wonderful things with sounds,
865
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,960
what I really wanted was the
precision of the computer.
866
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,560
I got involved with computers
in music out of frustration
867
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,240
at other ways of
doing music, in part,
868
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,240
and also because of
the incredible potential
869
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:28,240
that they had for combining
the best of all other worlds,
870
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,320
let's say.
871
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,720
The memory, the logic,
872
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,720
the ability to actually
interact with sound
873
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:37,360
in real time began
to be possible.
874
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,720
The complete freedom
to define
875
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,240
any kind of world you wanted.
876
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,960
Computers back then were the
enemy of the counterculture.
877
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,600
Computers belonged to the
banks and the military
878
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,240
and the insurance companies.
879
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,040
Computer music was the utter
dehumanisation of music
880
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,200
rather than,
to some few of us,
881
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:14,520
the liberation of it.
882
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,520
- Do you mean to tell me
that you haven't heard it?
883
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,160
- No, I haven't heard it.
I haven't heard it.
884
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,280
Here, play it.
885
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,360
It's really
terrific, Suzie.
886
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:21,840
Wait 'til you hear it.
887
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:22,280
Excuse me, ladies.
888
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,280
I have a special request.
889
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,200
- Laurie Spiegel
was a ukulele player
890
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,960
among other things.
891
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,280
She had a sense of music
that is based in folk idioms,
892
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,320
and Appalachian Grove
893
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,160
is one of the earliest
computer music pieces
894
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,480
that anyone would want
to listen to
895
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,200
more than once.
896
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,200
But to think that
it was all done
897
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,280
by punching holes in cards
and running them
898
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,920
through the Bell Labs computer
is quite astonishing.
899
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,840
Technology
is just,
900
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,600
it's a natural
extension of man.
901
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,600
Man has always
played with tools.
902
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:43,480
Man has always
developed tools,
903
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,080
and it is a tool.
904
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,360
The machine doesn't
write the music.
905
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,080
You tell the machine
what to do,
906
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,080
and the machine is an
extension of you.
907
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,280
Bell Labs was a great,
great institution.
908
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:05,600
Everything changed after the
AT&T divestiture happened.
909
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,560
Bell Labs became
product-oriented
910
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,240
instead of pure research.
911
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,280
After I left there,
I was absolutely desolate.
912
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:23,160
I had lost my main
creative medium.
913
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,840
Laurie Spiegel,
914
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,240
you have a very
fascinating new product,
915
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,160
a software program,
which you created...
916
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,160
- Yeah.
- ...called Music Mouse.
917
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,880
Can you tell us a little
bit about that?
918
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,000
- This is actually a program
which turns the Macintosh
919
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,000
into an instrument
which you play,
920
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,960
and unlike traditional
instruments,
921
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,160
on the other hand,
it uses the logic
922
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,240
of the computer supportively
to musical expression.
923
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,440
I needed an instrument.
924
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:02,520
I wanted something which was
entirely under my own control
925
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,200
that didn't have
to be marketable
926
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,160
or it didn't involve funding.
927
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,800
It was just something
entirely mine.
928
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,040
It's the first time
I've done something
929
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,040
essentially for myself
930
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,240
that I'm just really
making available
931
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,320
to anybody who wants it,
932
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,200
and I hope a lot
of people really get
933
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,320
a lot of good
music out of it.
934
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,720
Everybody who's using it
seems to be doing
935
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:25,680
something slightly different.
936
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,040
So I'll be interested,
you know,
937
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,680
keeping my ears open
for whatever you do.
938
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,040
Mouse ears.
939
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:41,760
- She wasn't satisfied with
940
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,200
the given constraints of
what she was working with.
941
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,680
So she decided to make
her own software.
942
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,760
She just embodies
this idea of agency.
943
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:59,160
- Her work was very
much in the lineage
944
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,320
with the work of Daphne Oram
945
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,840
because of her engineering
946
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,240
of a new language
for producing sounds,
947
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,360
and the support system
for other people
948
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,360
to invent new soundscapes.
949
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,000
What's
the most exciting thing
950
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,360
about the field for you?
951
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,760
- Well, this is a time at
which many people feel
952
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,080
that there are a lot of
dead ends in music,
953
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,240
that there isn't
a lot more to do.
954
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,040
This is actually...
955
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,040
I see this and through
the technology,
956
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,240
I experience this as
quite the opposite.
957
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,800
This is a period in which we
realise we've only just begun
958
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,320
to scratch the surface of
what's possible musically.
959
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,760
Through technology,
960
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,280
voices are amplified,
silence is broken,
961
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,840
spaces are shared.
962
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,280
The music in our head
963
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,920
can finally be
heard by others.
964
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,160
We
were, in a way,
965
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,480
trying to make a
bit of a revolution,
966
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,280
but I don't think we
would have put it
967
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:34,240
in such grandiose terms.
968
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:39,040
We were trying to put music
back in touch with itself.
969
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,520
Okay,
and this has to go here.
970
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:53,840
This is here.
971
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,280
This is...
972
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,440
There were really no role
models for female composers
973
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,920
when I studied music.
974
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,520
Overall, we are incrementally
getting more visibility,
975
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,320
but it's two steps forward
and one step back.
976
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,520
And to this day
it kind of irks me
977
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,040
that when I turn on my
favorite radio station,
978
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,680
it's just the male parade.
979
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,320
It is odd that
electronic music,
980
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,920
it's generally considered
a man's field.
981
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:08,200
Women have been
so formative in it.
982
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,840
There has to be
983
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,160
a complete change of
consciousness
984
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,200
throughout the
musical field,
985
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,480
where they could begin to
teach music that's written
986
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,800
by women, as well as men,
as well as of all colours,
987
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:36,320
and it would effect
a great change.
988
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:40,080
Listening is the basis of
creativity and culture.
989
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:45,800
How you're listening is and
how you develop a culture.
990
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,760
And how a community
of people listen
991
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,160
is what creates
their culture.
992
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,040
- It's quite reassuring
to realise that
993
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:33,240
I wasn't the only woman making
strange electronic music.
994
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,360
- What relates
all of these women
995
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,080
is this DIY thing.
996
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,280
And DIY is interesting
because it doesn't mean that
997
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,320
you've explicitly, voluntarily
chosen to do it yourself.
998
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,680
It's that there are
certain barriers in place
999
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:52,280
that don't allow
you to do anything.
1000
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,280
If you don't have the visual
or the knowledge
1001
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:01,000
of there being any people
in the area of work
1002
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,160
that you're interested in
that are similar to you,
1003
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,240
then you don't think
that it's possible for you.
1004
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,200
- There is something
psychological
1005
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,320
that happens when you can
see yourself in the people
1006
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,200
who are being celebrated.
1007
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,040
♪ Your eyes are set on stun ♪
1008
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,360
♪ You are hotter than the sun ♪
1009
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,120
♪ I love to see you shine ♪
1010
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:31,920
♪ Because you really
blow my mind ♪
1011
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,400
♪ Your heart beats like a drum ♪
1012
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,440
♪ It hammers when you're gone ♪
1013
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:37,720
♪ The terms with you
and me are up ♪
1014
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,520
♪ Set us free ♪
1015
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:44,440
♪ Synthesise me ♪
1016
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:47,520
♪ Hypnotise me ♪
1017
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,520
♪ Humanise me ♪
1018
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,080
♪ Energise me ♪
1019
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,960
♪ Synthesise me ♪
1020
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,320
♪ Hypnotise me ♪
1021
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,320
♪ Humanise me ♪
1022
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,320
♪ Energise me ♪
1023
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,800
♪ Your eyes are set on stun ♪
1024
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,320
♪ You are hotter than the sun ♪
1025
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:23,800
♪ I love to see you shine ♪
1026
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:31,760
♪ Because you really
blow my mind ♪
1027
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,560
♪ Your heart beats like a drum ♪
1028
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,240
♪ It hammers when you're gone ♪
1029
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,560
♪ The terms with you
and me are up ♪
1030
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,280
♪ Set us free ♪
1031
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,240
♪ Synthesise me ♪
1032
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,320
♪ Hypnotise me ♪
1033
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,560
♪ Humanise me ♪
1034
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,880
♪ Energise me ♪
1035
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,880
♪ Synthesise me ♪
1036
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,240
♪ Hypnotise me ♪
1037
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,320
♪ Humanise me ♪
1038
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,240
♪ Energise me ♪
1039
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:26,360
♪ I've seen the rings of Saturn ♪
1040
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,720
♪ And the craters on the moon ♪
1041
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:34,600
♪ Oceans of Venus in
the middle of June ♪
1042
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:41,080
♪ Mirrors of Mercury and
Mars' electric skies ♪
1043
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:47,080
♪ Pearls of Neptune
in Jupiter's eyes ♪
1044
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:52,080
♪ I heard the old man
who plays the lake ♪
1045
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:58,360
♪ Amazing things will make
you want to shake ♪
1046
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:11,000
♪ A strange planet a
zillion lightyears away ♪
1047
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:20,040
♪ Through a black hole
across the Milky Way ♪
1048
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,160
♪ Synthesise me ♪
1049
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,360
♪ Hypnotise me ♪
1050
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,440
♪ Humanise me ♪
1051
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:35,440
♪ Energise me ♪
1052
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:38,800
♪ Synthesise me ♪
1053
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,160
♪ Hypnotise me ♪
1054
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,160
♪ Humanise me ♪
1055
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,360
♪ Energise me ♪
1056
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,320
♪ Don't patronise me ♪
1057
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,320
♪ Don't glamorise me ♪
1058
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,640
♪ Don't paralyse me ♪
1059
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,040
♪ You can't surprise me ♪
1060
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,360
♪ Harmonise me ♪
1061
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,360
♪ Mesmerise me ♪
1062
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,320
♪ Solarise me ♪
1063
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:16,080
♪ Synchronise me ♪
1064
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:21,680
♪ Synthesise me ♪
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