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We both were. 8 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:34,135 As I told you, Lyle had threatened me. 9 00:00:34,168 --> 00:00:35,636 There were a series of sessions 10 00:00:35,669 --> 00:00:37,105 between Dr. Oziel 11 00:00:37,138 --> 00:00:39,240 and the defendants. 12 00:00:39,273 --> 00:00:41,075 I have ruled that none of these communications 13 00:00:41,109 --> 00:00:43,411 are privileged. 14 00:00:43,444 --> 00:00:46,380 Erik, what if I could make the nightmares stop? 15 00:00:46,414 --> 00:00:48,249 When I was five or six, 16 00:00:48,282 --> 00:00:51,185 Dad would massage my penis with his mouth. 17 00:00:51,219 --> 00:00:52,596 Yesterday, he told me when he turned 11, 18 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:54,188 his father started raping him. 19 00:00:54,222 --> 00:00:55,556 As a mother, and a human being, 20 00:00:55,589 --> 00:00:56,690 I believe it. 21 00:00:56,724 --> 00:00:58,126 As a lawyer, I will believe it 22 00:00:58,159 --> 00:00:59,127 when I can prove it. 23 00:01:02,196 --> 00:01:04,298 I never told anyone. 24 00:01:04,332 --> 00:01:06,167 Dad said if anyone ever found out, 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,169 that something bad would happen to me. 26 00:01:08,202 --> 00:01:10,171 How about Dr. Oziel? Did you tell him? 27 00:01:10,204 --> 00:01:12,106 No. He reported everything back to my parents. 28 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:13,407 That was the arrangement. 29 00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:15,343 How about after the murders? 30 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:19,380 Lyle and I made a deal not to talk about it. 31 00:01:19,413 --> 00:01:21,549 We didn't... We didn't want anyone 32 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:23,517 to have a bad impression of our parents. 33 00:01:23,551 --> 00:01:26,354 I thought Dad stopped after I confronted him. 34 00:01:26,387 --> 00:01:28,189 That couldn't have been easy to do. 35 00:01:28,222 --> 00:01:30,458 No. If I had known he was still doing that to Erik, 36 00:01:30,491 --> 00:01:32,326 I never would've gone to Princeton. 37 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,861 Never would've left him alone 38 00:01:33,894 --> 00:01:35,463 in that house. 39 00:01:35,496 --> 00:01:37,331 Lyle knew about your abuse. 40 00:01:37,365 --> 00:01:39,867 He figured it out when I was 12. 41 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:42,570 That Dad was doing stuff to me. 42 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:45,139 Like rough stuff. 43 00:01:46,774 --> 00:01:48,342 And he went up to Dad 44 00:01:48,376 --> 00:01:50,744 and told him to stop, but... 45 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:54,415 Just made things worse. 46 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:56,717 What will happen if you ever tell anyone again? 47 00:01:56,750 --> 00:01:57,785 You'll hurt me. 48 00:01:57,818 --> 00:02:01,289 Wrong! 49 00:02:01,322 --> 00:02:03,291 What will I do? 50 00:02:03,324 --> 00:02:05,593 You'll kill me. 51 00:02:05,626 --> 00:02:06,894 That's right. 52 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:16,304 I believed him. 53 00:02:16,337 --> 00:02:19,139 I was nothing to him. 54 00:02:23,211 --> 00:02:25,913 What about you, Lyle? 55 00:02:25,946 --> 00:02:29,317 What about me, what? 56 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:41,662 Listen, we have kids killing their parents 57 00:02:41,695 --> 00:02:44,532 all the time in South Central Los Angeles, 58 00:02:44,565 --> 00:02:46,267 and nobody writes about that. 59 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:47,801 This is just another domestic murder 60 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:50,938 with a bit of glitz. 61 00:02:50,971 --> 00:02:53,741 The signatures don't match. Even I can see that. 62 00:02:53,774 --> 00:02:57,211 Goodreau did not sign the gun permit application. 63 00:02:57,245 --> 00:02:58,846 Well, Les, go to forensics school 64 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:00,214 get yourself a degree, 65 00:03:00,248 --> 00:03:01,325 then you can tell the experts 66 00:03:01,349 --> 00:03:02,683 to go screw themselves. 67 00:03:04,352 --> 00:03:06,687 Feel like the police gods are laughing at us, Tommy. 68 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,855 12 months and all we've got 69 00:03:07,888 --> 00:03:09,657 is the word of a complete nutjob. 70 00:03:11,425 --> 00:03:15,329 Zoeller. Go, go, go. 71 00:03:15,363 --> 00:03:19,667 Hey, how's it going? 72 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,769 Yeah? Where is it? 73 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:24,905 Okay, thanks. 74 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:26,807 Erik's Ford Escort has been located. 75 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,542 It's in New Jersey. 76 00:03:28,576 --> 00:03:32,346 Great. It'll take months to get an outofstate warrant. 77 00:03:34,615 --> 00:03:36,250 Not my way. 78 00:03:49,563 --> 00:03:51,765 License and registration, please. 79 00:03:51,799 --> 00:03:53,834 Yes, sir, officer. 80 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:55,903 Did I do something wrong? 81 00:03:55,936 --> 00:03:57,905 Registration's expired. 82 00:03:57,938 --> 00:04:01,709 I have to take this vehicle down to the station house. 83 00:04:01,742 --> 00:04:03,411 Step out, please. 84 00:04:06,914 --> 00:04:09,717 Nothing? He checked. 85 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:10,784 Tore the car apart, 86 00:04:10,818 --> 00:04:12,286 right, okay, well, 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,421 send me the report. 88 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:18,025 I appreciate the help. 89 00:04:18,058 --> 00:04:20,361 No gunpowder residue, 90 00:04:20,394 --> 00:04:22,396 no blood traces. 91 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:23,897 - Ticket stubs for "Batman"? - No. 92 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:26,700 Police gods are really kicking our ass, Tommy. 93 00:04:28,636 --> 00:04:30,638 Erik has a natural acting talent. 94 00:04:30,671 --> 00:04:32,873 I don't know if he could make a living at it, 95 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:35,909 but as far as commitment and enthusiasm go, 96 00:04:35,943 --> 00:04:37,044 he was a star. 97 00:04:37,077 --> 00:04:38,479 He told me his parents 98 00:04:38,512 --> 00:04:39,913 made him withdraw from your class. 99 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:41,725 His father didn't think acting was good enough 100 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:43,050 for his son. 101 00:04:43,083 --> 00:04:44,752 I felt terrible for Erik. 102 00:04:44,785 --> 00:04:47,388 It was like he had the life knocked out of him. 103 00:04:47,421 --> 00:04:49,423 Did he ever talk about his life at home? His dad? 104 00:04:49,457 --> 00:04:52,526 I never got the sense he found much joy there. 105 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,363 He had ways of communicating his unhappiness. 106 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:57,398 One time, he surprised the class 107 00:04:57,431 --> 00:04:59,467 with a soliloquy from "Richard II." 108 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:00,634 I have been studying 109 00:05:00,668 --> 00:05:02,536 how I may compare this prison 110 00:05:02,570 --> 00:05:04,338 where I live unto the world. 111 00:05:04,372 --> 00:05:07,408 And for, because the world is populous, 112 00:05:07,441 --> 00:05:08,942 and here is not a creature but myself, 113 00:05:08,976 --> 00:05:10,378 I cannot do it. 114 00:05:10,411 --> 00:05:13,080 Yet I'll hammer it out. 115 00:05:13,113 --> 00:05:14,948 Thoughts tending to ambition, 116 00:05:14,982 --> 00:05:16,584 they do plot unlikely wonders: 117 00:05:16,617 --> 00:05:18,452 How these vain, weak nails 118 00:05:18,486 --> 00:05:20,588 may tear a passage through the flinty ribs 119 00:05:20,621 --> 00:05:23,424 of this hard world, my ragged prison walls, 120 00:05:23,457 --> 00:05:25,359 and, for they cannot, 121 00:05:25,393 --> 00:05:27,361 die in their own pride. 122 00:05:34,602 --> 00:05:36,704 The class was mesmerized. 123 00:05:36,737 --> 00:05:39,072 It's about King Richard's loneliness in prison. 124 00:05:39,106 --> 00:05:40,974 When I asked him why he chose that piece, 125 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:42,151 he said it was because I'd said 126 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:43,844 how difficult it was. 127 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:44,978 Especially for him. 128 00:05:45,012 --> 00:05:46,480 Why especially? 129 00:05:46,514 --> 00:05:47,981 He has dyslexia. 130 00:05:48,015 --> 00:05:49,583 Really? 131 00:05:49,617 --> 00:05:51,084 He never mentioned it. 132 00:05:51,118 --> 00:05:52,453 The school didn't know, either. 133 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:53,854 When I asked his mother, 134 00:05:53,887 --> 00:05:56,156 she said he'd been diagnosed years earlier. 135 00:05:56,189 --> 00:05:57,925 His mother never told the school? 136 00:05:57,958 --> 00:06:00,861 She acted like his dyslexia was an embarrassment. 137 00:06:00,894 --> 00:06:02,730 It's too bad. 138 00:06:02,763 --> 00:06:07,701 There was so much we could've done for Erik. 139 00:06:09,570 --> 00:06:11,539 Sounds like it would've been Jose's idea 140 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:13,741 not to inform the school. 141 00:06:13,774 --> 00:06:15,509 Kitty deferred to him on all things 142 00:06:15,543 --> 00:06:16,810 that concerned their sons. 143 00:06:16,844 --> 00:06:18,479 I'm really trying to get a fix 144 00:06:18,512 --> 00:06:20,113 on what kind of a mother she was. 145 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:21,949 So why did she come to see you? 146 00:06:21,982 --> 00:06:23,617 Depression. 147 00:06:23,651 --> 00:06:25,619 She found out her husband had multiple affairs. 148 00:06:25,653 --> 00:06:28,889 She blamed her sons for getting in between her and Jose. 149 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:32,760 Her whole world revolved around Jose. 150 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:34,662 I didn't get any sleep last night. 151 00:06:34,695 --> 00:06:36,964 You know I've had insomnia 152 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:40,200 for weeks now. 153 00:06:41,969 --> 00:06:43,904 Just when I was dozing off, 154 00:06:43,937 --> 00:06:46,940 I hear Erik screaming in his bedroom. 155 00:06:46,974 --> 00:06:48,642 What happened? 156 00:06:48,676 --> 00:06:52,145 I thought, "Jesus Christ", 157 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:54,181 he's gonna wake up Jose." 158 00:06:54,214 --> 00:06:57,618 So much racket. 159 00:06:57,651 --> 00:07:00,020 So I went in his room. 160 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:01,154 Was Erik okay? 161 00:07:03,591 --> 00:07:05,192 He was fine. 162 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:11,465 It was just a nightmare. 163 00:07:11,499 --> 00:07:13,100 But from the way he was shaking... 164 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:15,068 What'd you do? 165 00:07:18,739 --> 00:07:21,509 I didn't do anything to him. 166 00:07:21,542 --> 00:07:22,943 It was just a nightmare. 167 00:07:22,976 --> 00:07:26,013 I meant, "What did you do to comfort him?" 168 00:07:27,581 --> 00:07:28,916 I took him to his bathroom 169 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:32,520 and made him take a cold shower. 170 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:33,921 Like my father used to do 171 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:37,491 with my brothers when they had nightmares. 172 00:07:41,662 --> 00:07:44,097 How comforting. 173 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:46,900 Did she ever hint, or imply, 174 00:07:46,934 --> 00:07:50,037 that Erik was sexually abused by Mr. Menendez? 175 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:51,905 No. 176 00:07:51,939 --> 00:07:55,208 But she once told me there were "sick secrets" in the house. 177 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:57,878 She never would explain what she meant. 178 00:08:01,915 --> 00:08:04,785 Just talked to Erik's doctor and his tennis coaches. 179 00:08:04,818 --> 00:08:06,754 They didn't see any evidence of sex abuse. 180 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:08,656 And he never said anything to them. 181 00:08:08,689 --> 00:08:10,624 It's hard to imagine, if it went on as long 182 00:08:10,658 --> 00:08:12,626 as Erik says, his mother wouldn't have noticed 183 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:13,761 and done something. 184 00:08:13,794 --> 00:08:14,995 I can't figure Kitty out. 185 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,229 She told her shrink 186 00:08:16,263 --> 00:08:17,598 their family had "sick secrets," 187 00:08:17,631 --> 00:08:18,866 but didn't say what. 188 00:08:18,899 --> 00:08:20,534 Maybe Kitty didn't understand. 189 00:08:20,568 --> 00:08:22,002 Maybe she was afraid. 190 00:08:22,035 --> 00:08:24,013 I don't think she had a maternal bone in her body, 191 00:08:24,037 --> 00:08:25,673 but we need this to make sense to us, 192 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:26,874 never mind the jury. 193 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:30,310 Fantastic. 194 00:08:30,343 --> 00:08:32,946 Diane Sawyer has an interview with our favorite whackadoo. 195 00:08:32,980 --> 00:08:34,181 Judalon? 196 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:35,559 Yeah. Just aired on the east coast. 197 00:08:35,583 --> 00:08:38,085 It's explosive. 198 00:08:39,787 --> 00:08:42,189 Are Lyle and Erik Menendez guilty? 199 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:44,625 Did they murder their parents? 200 00:08:44,658 --> 00:08:45,726 Yes, they did. 201 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,227 You know this? 202 00:08:47,260 --> 00:08:48,896 Yes, I heard it from their own mouths 203 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:50,631 that they killed their parents. 204 00:08:50,664 --> 00:08:52,600 What did she say? What did she say? 205 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:54,167 Mentiras, Mama. It's just mentiras. 206 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:56,570 She says that at Dr. Oziel's request, 207 00:08:56,604 --> 00:08:59,306 she was right up there in his fourthfloor office, 208 00:08:59,339 --> 00:09:02,042 listening in the next room 209 00:09:02,075 --> 00:09:03,944 when Erik and Lyle met with Oziel 210 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:06,046 on that Halloween night last year. 211 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:09,182 I can't believe Grandma's watching this. 212 00:09:09,216 --> 00:09:11,151 Aunt Terry, Aunt Marta, 213 00:09:11,184 --> 00:09:13,186 our whole family's watching this, Lyle. 214 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:16,890 Erik said that Lyle made him take the first shot. 215 00:09:16,924 --> 00:09:18,926 One of the things that Lyle said 216 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:21,028 that was really disturbing to me was. 217 00:09:21,061 --> 00:09:22,996 "Well, for once, my father would have to 218 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:25,132 congratulate me on planning the perfect murder." 219 00:09:25,165 --> 00:09:26,667 - Dios mio. - Carlos. 220 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:28,001 We don't know it's the truth. 221 00:09:28,035 --> 00:09:29,378 For what would they kill their parents? 222 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:30,938 $14 million. 223 00:09:30,971 --> 00:09:32,673 Erik and Lyle had no idea about money. 224 00:09:32,706 --> 00:09:34,341 They thought it grew on trees. 225 00:09:34,374 --> 00:09:36,043 Shame on you 226 00:09:36,076 --> 00:09:37,377 for believing a stranger 227 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:39,212 over your own nephews. 228 00:09:39,246 --> 00:09:41,882 Family is everything. 229 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:43,717 That's what Jose would say. 230 00:09:43,751 --> 00:09:45,953 Why didn't Dr. Oziel go to the police? 231 00:09:45,986 --> 00:09:48,155 There was the issue of doctorpatient privilege 232 00:09:48,188 --> 00:09:49,857 and Jerry made audio notes. 233 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:52,893 He has tapes of Lyle and Erik confessing. 234 00:09:52,926 --> 00:09:55,362 And indeed, that tip from Judalon Smyth 235 00:09:55,395 --> 00:09:57,698 led police to Dr. Oziel's home 236 00:09:57,731 --> 00:09:59,232 and bank vault, 237 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:02,069 where they confiscated 17 tape recordings. 238 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:03,671 That's it. 239 00:10:03,704 --> 00:10:05,739 There's no question they did it. 240 00:10:05,773 --> 00:10:07,641 Now, Lyle, this is a diabolical creature. 241 00:10:07,675 --> 00:10:10,343 Jerry compared him to Ted Bundy. 242 00:10:10,377 --> 00:10:12,212 What are they gonna think of us? 243 00:10:12,245 --> 00:10:13,714 It's gonna be okay, Erik. 244 00:10:13,747 --> 00:10:16,249 We just need to... 245 00:10:16,283 --> 00:10:18,251 To... 246 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:23,256 Just keep it together, Erik. 247 00:10:39,306 --> 00:10:40,866 She gave an interview to Diane Sawyer. 248 00:10:41,809 --> 00:10:43,043 Today she's in "Vanity Fair," 249 00:10:43,076 --> 00:10:44,253 spewing her lies to Dominick Dunne, 250 00:10:44,277 --> 00:10:46,146 all with the DA's blessing. 251 00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:48,048 The jury pool is being poisoned, Your Honor. 252 00:10:48,081 --> 00:10:50,150 These interviews are as much a shock to us 253 00:10:50,183 --> 00:10:51,451 as they are to the defense. 254 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:53,186 Come on, Pam. The DA himself appeared 255 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:55,188 on Diane Sawyer's show. 256 00:10:55,222 --> 00:10:57,333 Your Honor, Judalon Smyth has half the county believing 257 00:10:57,357 --> 00:10:59,827 there is a taped confession by my clients. 258 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:02,029 Dr. Oziel's tapes are compromised. 259 00:11:02,062 --> 00:11:03,463 The only fair thing is for you 260 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:04,765 to reverse your decision 261 00:11:04,798 --> 00:11:06,767 and keep the tapes out. 262 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,036 Nice try, Ms. Abramson. 263 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:10,704 Maybe what needs to happen 264 00:11:10,738 --> 00:11:12,239 is for you and Ms. Ferrero 265 00:11:12,272 --> 00:11:14,207 to work out a plea bargain. 266 00:11:14,241 --> 00:11:16,777 This crime so offends the district attorney, 267 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:18,478 I can't imagine anything. 268 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:21,481 Miss Abramson has to offer would satisfy us. 269 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:23,016 Ms. Ferrero has no qualms 270 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:24,818 making deals with contract killers 271 00:11:24,852 --> 00:11:26,153 and serial rapists. 272 00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,088 Her cynicism is what's offensive. 273 00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:31,158 She said I was the worst sex of her life. 274 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,993 That's defamation, Ross, not to mention 275 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:34,862 physically impossible. 276 00:11:34,895 --> 00:11:36,363 It's not worth it, Jerry. 277 00:11:36,396 --> 00:11:38,498 I'm sorry. I have to go. 278 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:48,308 My father had this creed he made us learn. 279 00:11:48,341 --> 00:11:51,879 "Today, I will be master of my emotions. 280 00:11:51,912 --> 00:11:54,347 "If I feel depressed, I will sing. 281 00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:57,017 "If I feel sad, I will laugh. 282 00:11:57,050 --> 00:12:01,388 "If I feel fear, I will plunge ahead. 283 00:12:01,421 --> 00:12:04,224 I will be master of my emotions." 284 00:12:04,257 --> 00:12:08,261 And why was mastering your emotions important? 285 00:12:08,295 --> 00:12:09,930 Dad thought it was a sign of weakness 286 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:11,264 to show emotion. 287 00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:13,466 We had to be strong. 288 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,878 That's why Erik and I never told anyone 289 00:12:14,902 --> 00:12:18,271 what was happening to us. 290 00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:20,874 To him. 291 00:12:20,908 --> 00:12:23,276 You said "us." 292 00:12:23,310 --> 00:12:26,479 What was happening to you? 293 00:12:29,449 --> 00:12:31,251 I'm only here to listen, Lyle. 294 00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:34,554 I know you're in pain. 295 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,556 Vicary thinks that I can help you, 296 00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:39,026 and I think I can. 297 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:42,229 But that first step has to be yours. 298 00:12:48,335 --> 00:12:53,206 It wasn't right. 299 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:59,546 Parents aren't supposed to... 300 00:12:59,579 --> 00:13:01,248 She'd make me touch her. 301 00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:04,852 Your mother. 302 00:13:04,885 --> 00:13:08,088 Yes. 303 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:11,191 When I was 11, 304 00:13:11,224 --> 00:13:12,860 she'd make me come into her bed 305 00:13:12,893 --> 00:13:14,461 and do things to her 306 00:13:14,494 --> 00:13:16,596 I knew I shouldn't be doing. 307 00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:21,301 I knew there was something off about her, 308 00:13:21,334 --> 00:13:22,578 but I never would've guessed that. 309 00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:24,271 So Erik was abused by his father 310 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:25,939 from the age of six, 311 00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:27,540 and Lyle was abused at... 312 00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:30,010 11 by his mother. 313 00:13:30,043 --> 00:13:33,280 Even in its perversity, it doesn't make sense. 314 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:34,982 Like there's a piece missing. 315 00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:36,483 There is. 316 00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:39,586 Jon and I feel that Lyle was abused by Jose as well. 317 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:42,022 Then why tell us about his mother? 318 00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:43,390 Probably testing the waters. 319 00:13:43,423 --> 00:13:45,258 A boy being abused by his mother 320 00:13:45,292 --> 00:13:47,327 is in some ways more acceptable to him. 321 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,462 Maybe the reason 322 00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:51,364 Erik and Lyle's stories don't line up 323 00:13:51,398 --> 00:13:53,333 is the same reason we can't find any evidence 324 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:55,368 to back them up, because they are not true. 325 00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:58,138 Inconsistencies don't mean the boys are lying. 326 00:13:58,171 --> 00:13:59,539 Just means that maybe 327 00:13:59,572 --> 00:14:01,508 they haven't told us the whole story yet. 328 00:14:01,541 --> 00:14:04,211 Well, how long till they do that? 329 00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:16,589 Did you think about it? 330 00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:18,258 Yeah. 331 00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:21,962 You okay with it? 332 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,997 That's it. Let's go. 333 00:14:30,938 --> 00:14:32,906 We want to tell our family the truth. 334 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:35,575 We don't want them to hear it from anyone else. 335 00:14:35,608 --> 00:14:37,144 Is that okay? 336 00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:38,678 I think it's the right thing to do. 337 00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:41,081 You boys made the right decision. 338 00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:42,582 We'll help any way we can. 339 00:14:42,615 --> 00:14:44,651 Thank you. 340 00:14:51,058 --> 00:14:52,425 This is good. 341 00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:56,997 I needed to know they would come clean. 342 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:59,032 How have you boys been? 343 00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:01,034 Are you getting enough food? 344 00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:04,704 It's fine, Aunt Marta. 345 00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:06,974 There's something Erik and I feel 346 00:15:07,007 --> 00:15:08,508 the family needs to know, 347 00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,578 and, we're counting on you to tell the others. 348 00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:22,255 Erik and I killed our parents. 349 00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:27,427 It wasn't for the money. 350 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:29,729 Dad was molesting my brother. 351 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:33,433 He molested Erik... Why would you say that? 352 00:15:33,466 --> 00:15:35,211 The only thing your father has left is his name. 353 00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:36,612 Now you want to take that away, too? 354 00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:39,239 Mom, too. She molested me, too. 355 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:40,340 Did things to me t... 356 00:15:40,373 --> 00:15:41,674 No, no, no. 357 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:43,210 Dios mío. 358 00:15:43,243 --> 00:15:44,311 I don't want to hear it. 359 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:47,614 Carlos. Let them speak. 360 00:15:47,647 --> 00:15:49,482 It is the truth, Uncle Carlos. 361 00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:51,451 We want to take responsibility for what we did. 362 00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:53,220 But we want the family to know. 363 00:15:53,253 --> 00:15:54,687 Mom and Dad did things to us 364 00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:56,299 they needed to take responsibility for, too. 365 00:15:56,323 --> 00:15:58,725 So that's why you killed them? 366 00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:02,262 Carlos... 367 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:03,630 That's no excuse to take a life. 368 00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:05,132 No, it's not. 369 00:16:05,165 --> 00:16:07,234 But we thought we were fighting for our lives. 370 00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:08,635 Enough! 371 00:16:08,668 --> 00:16:10,003 I've heard enough. 372 00:16:12,405 --> 00:16:14,774 Please. We love our parents. 373 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:16,109 We love you guys, 374 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:19,212 and please, please forgive us. 375 00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:34,761 The police have nothing, 376 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,796 your best witnesses, Oziel and Judalon, 377 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:38,665 are pieces of crap on the sea of life, 378 00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:40,400 and once the tapes are out, Pam, you're... 379 00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:42,169 There's no plea offer forthcoming. 380 00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:45,172 Kids killing their parents is a crime against society. 381 00:16:45,205 --> 00:16:46,539 You said so yourself, 382 00:16:46,573 --> 00:16:48,575 kids kill their parents all the time. 383 00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:50,353 And in California, those kids don't end up on death row. 384 00:16:50,377 --> 00:16:51,420 What if I told you there was sexual abuse 385 00:16:51,444 --> 00:16:53,180 in the family? 386 00:16:53,213 --> 00:16:55,748 Nothing you pull out of your hat surprises me, Leslie. 387 00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:58,151 Sorry, Jill, there'll be no deals on this one. 388 00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:04,657 Ira... 389 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,702 You are using these boys as a pawn to get reelected. 390 00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,361 It is desperate and it's unfair. 391 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:09,829 These are not violent people. 392 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:12,465 Erik and Lyle are not career criminals. 393 00:17:12,499 --> 00:17:14,201 Okay, look me in the eye right now 394 00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:16,303 and tell me you believe these boys deserve to die. 395 00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:17,637 You know they don't. 396 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:19,272 Leslie, I speak on behalf 397 00:17:19,306 --> 00:17:20,583 of every attorney in this office 398 00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:22,275 when I say I've had it with you. 399 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:24,244 Call the deputies. I need Ms. Abramson 400 00:17:24,277 --> 00:17:25,345 escorted out of here. 401 00:17:25,378 --> 00:17:26,579 You can't bully me, Ira. 402 00:17:26,613 --> 00:17:28,115 - Let's go. - Out. 403 00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:30,783 It's wrong and you know it. 404 00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:33,086 Well, that went well. No, it didn't, Leslie. 405 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,554 It didn't go well at all. 406 00:17:34,587 --> 00:17:36,489 We just blew our only chance for a plea bargain 407 00:17:36,523 --> 00:17:38,525 and now the boys will go to trial for their lives. 408 00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:45,764 Dad told me 409 00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:48,501 if I screamed... 410 00:17:48,535 --> 00:17:50,103 He would hit me so hard 411 00:17:50,137 --> 00:17:52,272 that I would never be able to cry or scream again. 412 00:17:52,305 --> 00:17:54,574 Imagine that I had a gun to my head. 413 00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,843 That was the fear that I had. 414 00:17:56,876 --> 00:18:01,448 I live with that fear every day. 415 00:18:08,855 --> 00:18:10,790 How could you? 416 00:18:10,823 --> 00:18:12,559 You lied to me. 417 00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:13,860 Jamie, please. 418 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,728 You killed your parents! 419 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:18,265 And you're still lying. 420 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:20,300 You're sick. 421 00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:31,311 Jamie, I understand. 422 00:18:31,344 --> 00:18:32,912 You have to do what's right for you. 423 00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:35,315 You've been a part of this family for so... 424 00:18:39,419 --> 00:18:40,863 Jamie's moving out of the guest house. 425 00:18:40,887 --> 00:18:45,558 She doesn't want to see Lyle anymore. 426 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:49,162 I know this all must have been very confusing. 427 00:18:49,196 --> 00:18:50,730 Mom... 428 00:18:50,763 --> 00:18:54,301 What Erik said about Uncle Jose... 429 00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:55,802 It's true. 430 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:01,308 Erik made me promise 431 00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:02,518 not to tell my mom about the massages 432 00:19:02,542 --> 00:19:04,377 that his dad was giving him. 433 00:19:04,411 --> 00:19:05,845 It was a pinky promise, 434 00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:07,680 but I was ten, so I thought... 435 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:09,916 We know about pinky promises. 436 00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:11,651 So, when you would visit 437 00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,353 your Uncle Jose and your Aunt Kitty, 438 00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:15,688 did your Uncle Jose do anything to you? 439 00:19:15,722 --> 00:19:17,624 No. 440 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,326 Did you notice anything else? 441 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,728 Thing that might have made you uncomfortable? 442 00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:28,501 Well, this one time, before bed, 443 00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:33,306 Uncle Jose took Erik and Lyle into the bathroom 444 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:34,974 to take a shower together. 445 00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:36,776 - The three of them? - Yes. 446 00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:39,746 They had this shower with three heads. 447 00:19:39,779 --> 00:19:41,381 And after they came out, 448 00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:42,982 Uncle Jose took them into a room 449 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:44,884 to "play a game." 450 00:19:44,917 --> 00:19:45,885 What kind of game? 451 00:19:45,918 --> 00:19:47,554 I don't know. 452 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:50,623 He'd lock the door and wouldn't let me play. 453 00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:53,660 They were in there for almost an hour. 454 00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:59,899 What'd you play? 455 00:20:06,939 --> 00:20:09,709 What do you play? 456 00:20:25,292 --> 00:20:28,795 He went right to bed. 457 00:20:28,828 --> 00:20:34,401 He didn't talk. 458 00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:37,670 Well, thank you, Andy. You've been very brave. 459 00:20:37,704 --> 00:20:40,573 And we'll talk more later. 460 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:43,576 Until then, don't discuss this with anyone, okay? 461 00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,278 Marta, you too. 462 00:20:45,312 --> 00:20:47,514 Okay. 463 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:08,335 Here you go. 464 00:21:08,368 --> 00:21:10,537 - Ma'am. - Thank you. 465 00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:15,775 Are you kidding me? 466 00:21:15,808 --> 00:21:17,085 They upheld Albracht's decision. 467 00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:18,911 The tapes are in. All of 'em. 468 00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:20,480 It gets worse. They're releasing. 469 00:21:20,513 --> 00:21:23,316 Oziel and Judalon's sealed testimony. 470 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:25,585 Well... 471 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:27,330 I can think of one person who will be more pissed 472 00:21:27,354 --> 00:21:29,722 about this than we are. 473 00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:31,090 It is outrageous 474 00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:32,592 that the court released testimony 475 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:33,993 given under seal, 476 00:21:34,026 --> 00:21:36,329 so I feel compelled to address the lies. 477 00:21:36,363 --> 00:21:38,631 Judalon Smyth told in court. 478 00:21:38,665 --> 00:21:40,633 First of all... 479 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:44,003 I never asked her to eavesdrop on my patients. 480 00:21:44,036 --> 00:21:47,674 I never disclosed to her the contents of any session. 481 00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:50,477 I never hypnotized her or gave her drugs. 482 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:52,912 None of her accusations are true. 483 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,914 She wasn't even my patient. 484 00:21:54,947 --> 00:21:56,649 That's all we have to say. 485 00:21:56,683 --> 00:21:58,017 Before I leave, 486 00:21:58,050 --> 00:21:59,719 I'd like to send a message 487 00:21:59,752 --> 00:22:00,953 to Erik and Lyle, 488 00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:02,097 tell them I'm thinking of them, 489 00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:03,890 I care for them a great deal, 490 00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:05,358 and I wish Leslie Abramson 491 00:22:05,392 --> 00:22:07,894 the best of luck in defending them. 492 00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:10,363 If Dr. Oziel wants to be helpful to the boys, 493 00:22:10,397 --> 00:22:13,900 tell him to go kill himself. 494 00:22:13,933 --> 00:22:15,735 You have messages from. 495 00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:16,903 Soble at the "Times,". 496 00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:18,046 Brand from the "Miami Herald"... 497 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:19,772 - Has Tim called? - No, 498 00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:22,108 but your brother did. 499 00:22:22,141 --> 00:22:24,411 717? That's not his area code. 500 00:22:24,444 --> 00:22:26,679 He said that's the number you asked him for. 501 00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:56,876 Hello? 502 00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,077 Hi. 503 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:01,047 This is Leslie Abramson. 504 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,949 Is this Sol? 505 00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:04,851 Because Jose died first, 506 00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:06,419 the estate passed to Kitty, 507 00:23:06,453 --> 00:23:07,787 before she was killed. 508 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:10,557 Now, those boys can't profit from their crime, 509 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:11,691 so the estate 510 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,793 goes to Kitty's immediate family. 511 00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:15,762 To us. 512 00:23:15,795 --> 00:23:17,096 Those boys get nothing. 513 00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:18,565 But they haven't been convicted. 514 00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:20,132 They confessed. See, that's why 515 00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:21,734 we have to file the lawsuit 516 00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:22,869 as soon as possible. 517 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,203 So they don't waste it all. 518 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,473 They need to pay for their sins. 519 00:23:26,506 --> 00:23:28,708 They are our nephews, Milton! 520 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:30,710 Kids who I believe were terribly abused. 521 00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:32,211 That's all a bunch of crap. 522 00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:34,213 We're done with these brats. 523 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,148 So you can be that coldblooded? 524 00:23:36,182 --> 00:23:38,551 Who you calling coldblooded? 525 00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:39,952 I want you out of my house. 526 00:23:39,986 --> 00:23:41,988 Both of you. 527 00:23:52,632 --> 00:23:54,867 It's unbelievable, what money can do. 528 00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:02,074 Uncle Brian doesn't know what he's talking about. 529 00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:04,677 What do you mean? 530 00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:10,783 I spent the summer at Uncle Jose 531 00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:12,118 and Aunt Kitty's house 532 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:14,253 when I was 15. Lyle was eight. 533 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:16,523 He told me what Uncle Jose was doing to him. 534 00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:18,925 I told Aunt Kitty. She called me a little liar 535 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:21,060 and dragged him upstairs and shut the door. 536 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:23,162 We never talked about it again. 537 00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:24,764 Did you tell anyone else? 538 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,266 No. I didn't know what to do. 539 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:28,868 I was only 15. 540 00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:30,236 I was confused. 541 00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:31,771 Okay, Diane. Thank you. 542 00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:32,905 This has been very helpful. 543 00:24:32,939 --> 00:24:33,939 We'll be in touch. 544 00:24:37,043 --> 00:24:38,645 It's hearsay evidence 545 00:24:38,678 --> 00:24:40,647 about what an eightyearold may have said 546 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,881 15 years ago. 547 00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:43,249 It's not gonna convince a jury. 548 00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:45,785 Not if Lyle won't admit that Jose abused him. 549 00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:47,654 Not even then. 550 00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:49,064 Our showandtell for the jury's going to be 551 00:24:49,088 --> 00:24:52,224 all tell and no show. 552 00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:55,061 All that abuse. 553 00:24:55,094 --> 00:24:57,096 There's gotta be something tangible 554 00:24:57,129 --> 00:24:59,699 that Jose or Kitty left behind. 555 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:10,015 So who bought the house? 556 00:25:10,777 --> 00:25:12,011 A sheik, from Saudi Arabia. 557 00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,646 You have the directions to Calabasas? 558 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,857 - Yeah, got 'em. - The house looks 559 00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:16,124 under construction, but it's okay. 560 00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:18,150 You can put everything inside. 561 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,152 That's it. 562 00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,988 Everything is gone. 563 00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:28,027 It's gonna be okay, Nana. 564 00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:33,566 He worked his whole... His whole life for this. 565 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,801 I know. 566 00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:37,036 All right, I got it. 567 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:41,774 I'm just a reporter, Donovan. 568 00:25:41,808 --> 00:25:44,744 I don't have a dog in this fight. 569 00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:47,213 The cops say I'll have to testify at the trial. 570 00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:50,650 I'm not looking forward to it. 571 00:25:50,683 --> 00:25:53,219 Me and Lyle really shared a lot. 572 00:25:53,252 --> 00:25:56,155 Like what, for example? 573 00:25:56,188 --> 00:26:00,593 Like, um... 574 00:26:00,627 --> 00:26:02,695 Four months before the murders, 575 00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:06,332 we were talking, and... 576 00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,668 I told Lyle I was sexually abused 577 00:26:08,701 --> 00:26:10,002 when I was a kid. 578 00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:15,708 And he told me he was molested, too. 579 00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:18,244 By his dad. 580 00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:20,379 Erik was, too. 581 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:23,783 I don't know. Maybe he was just saying that 582 00:26:23,816 --> 00:26:26,118 to make me feel better. I don't know. 583 00:26:26,152 --> 00:26:28,087 I'm sorry... 584 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,022 You know if he told anyone else? 585 00:26:30,056 --> 00:26:32,825 No. 586 00:26:32,859 --> 00:26:35,361 But I told Glenn Stevens what Lyle said. 587 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:44,671 But I told Glenn Stevens what Lyle said. 588 00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:46,739 I spoke to Stevens. He wouldn't let me tape him, 589 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:48,340 but I took notes, 590 00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:50,409 and he confirmed that Goodreau told him 591 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,111 about Lyle and his father. 592 00:26:52,144 --> 00:26:54,146 Do you think Stevens would testify? 593 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:55,748 He was pretty clear he wouldn't 594 00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,383 unless he was forced to. 595 00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:59,986 All right. Thank you, Mr. Rand. 596 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:05,768 I'll fly to New York and talk to. 597 00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,727 Goodreau and Stevens. 598 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,161 I'll go with you. 599 00:27:09,195 --> 00:27:10,773 Well, it's Lyle's business. I can handle it. 600 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,665 There's someone I need to see. 601 00:27:36,222 --> 00:27:37,757 Is that you? 602 00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:40,059 I'm me. Are you you? 603 00:27:40,092 --> 00:27:42,895 Damn it, you still have my nose. 604 00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,064 I thought you'd outgrow it by now. 605 00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:52,171 Nice to see you, Daddy. 606 00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:54,273 The chicken pot pie is good here. 607 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:03,349 Come on, honey. 608 00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:05,184 And what if Lyle goes free? 609 00:28:06,385 --> 00:28:07,820 Gotta think about that. 610 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:09,255 Are you afraid of him? Is that why 611 00:28:09,288 --> 00:28:10,957 you wanted to meet in a public place? 612 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:12,792 He knows I know things. 613 00:28:12,825 --> 00:28:15,103 I already spoke to Goodreau, and he's willing to testify. 614 00:28:15,127 --> 00:28:16,963 I just need you to go on the record 615 00:28:16,996 --> 00:28:20,967 about what he told you about Lyle being molested. 616 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,070 Don't you want to help Lyle? You were friends. 617 00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:26,238 I thought he was my friend. 618 00:28:26,272 --> 00:28:28,875 And then I realized he was using me. 619 00:28:28,908 --> 00:28:30,743 He gave you a job, Glenn. 620 00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:33,112 Running a chicken wing shack. 621 00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:35,815 Look, I've got a good job now, on Wall Street. 622 00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:38,517 I'm not about to give that up for him. 623 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,120 I mean, besides, 624 00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:44,791 how can I help someone who did that to his parents? 625 00:28:57,203 --> 00:28:59,972 Happy birthday dear Erik 626 00:29:00,006 --> 00:29:02,408 Happy birthday to you. 627 00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:04,076 Thank you, Leslie. 628 00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:05,444 It's just another birthday. 629 00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:07,513 There's no such thing. 630 00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:09,015 I saw my dad last week. 631 00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:10,850 Hadn't seen him since I was 14. 632 00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:12,985 You know how many birthdays he missed? 633 00:29:13,019 --> 00:29:15,421 But that didn't stop me. 634 00:29:15,454 --> 00:29:20,326 I got you a present. 635 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,561 We just found out today. 636 00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:24,363 California Supreme Court 637 00:29:24,396 --> 00:29:27,199 agreed to review the ruling on Oziel's tapes. 638 00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,868 Wow. 639 00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:30,837 Do you think we have a chance? I do. 640 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:32,839 They know the issues at stake here 641 00:29:32,872 --> 00:29:35,341 are bigger than just your case. 642 00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:46,919 So, Erik... 643 00:29:46,953 --> 00:29:50,990 I need to understand why 644 00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:53,559 what happened happened. 645 00:29:53,592 --> 00:29:56,863 Maybe if you tell me 646 00:29:56,896 --> 00:29:59,498 the last time your father abused you... 647 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,079 It was two weeks before everything. 648 00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:16,215 I got accepted to UCLA. 649 00:30:18,985 --> 00:30:22,588 I told my parents I wanted to live oncampus. 650 00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:25,224 And Dad said no. 651 00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,093 And that he wouldn't pay for it 652 00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:30,496 unless I spent four nights a week at home. 653 00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:36,368 And that's when I knew it was never gonna end. 654 00:30:36,402 --> 00:30:40,973 And that's when things started to get out of control. 655 00:30:41,007 --> 00:30:44,176 How do you mean? 656 00:30:49,081 --> 00:30:52,318 We thought our parents were gonna kill us. 657 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:48,207 Lyle looks to be about eight. 658 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,942 Erik's six. 659 00:31:49,976 --> 00:31:51,310 How do we know it's them? 660 00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,245 We can't see their faces, just their bodies. 661 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,357 I compared them with photos of them from the swimming pool. 662 00:31:55,381 --> 00:31:58,184 Birthmarks match. The floor matches 663 00:31:58,217 --> 00:31:59,986 other pictures from the Princeton house, 664 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,163 and the handwriting on the outside of the envelope 665 00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:02,521 matches Kitty's. 666 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:04,194 Well, I've taken pictures of my daughter 667 00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:05,400 in the bathtub, but these are... 668 00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:06,592 It's kiddie porn. 669 00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:08,260 Pictures of their genitals? 670 00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:10,262 Like, what kind of parent takes photos like these? 671 00:32:10,296 --> 00:32:13,065 Someone could argue these were taken by accident. 672 00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:15,134 These photos were carefully saved and catalogued. 673 00:32:15,167 --> 00:32:17,003 This is no accident. 674 00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:20,439 Leslie, I doubted their story, but not anymore. 675 00:32:20,472 --> 00:32:22,008 So, this is it? You've searched 676 00:32:22,041 --> 00:32:23,209 the rest of the boxes? 677 00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:24,543 I turned the house upside down. 678 00:32:24,576 --> 00:32:30,049 Same as the house on Elm Drive. 679 00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:31,583 Erik told me 680 00:32:31,617 --> 00:32:33,761 that he and Lyle thought their parents would kill them. 681 00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:36,122 They were afraid for their lives. 682 00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:38,190 That fits with what I've been reading. 683 00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:41,360 Kids who are sexually abused have no sense of safety. 684 00:32:41,393 --> 00:32:43,262 The two people who are supposed to protect them 685 00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:44,763 are the ones hurting them. 686 00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:46,074 It would be better if the murders 687 00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:47,499 were a direct response 688 00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:49,068 to an act of abuse. 689 00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:51,003 Erik said his father last abused him 690 00:32:51,037 --> 00:32:52,738 two weeks before the murders. 691 00:32:52,771 --> 00:32:54,106 It's too much time elapsed. 692 00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,541 So how are we gonna fit this 693 00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:59,245 into a narrative the jury is gonna understand? 694 00:32:59,278 --> 00:33:02,648 We have to find a way through this, 695 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,617 'cause we owe it to these boys. 696 00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:09,421 The verdict was announced just hours ago: 697 00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:12,391 Four officers acquitted in the beating of Rodney King. 698 00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:15,294 Many blame the verdicts on Judge Weisberg's decision 699 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,163 to move the trial to Simi Valley, 700 00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,231 where many police officers reside. 701 00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:21,333 And right now, we're getting images 702 00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:23,769 of the reaction in South Central Los Angeles. 703 00:33:23,802 --> 00:33:26,072 Let's go immediately live to the scene. 704 00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:27,739 The situation here is getting more 705 00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:29,717 and more dangerous by the minute, as reports come in 706 00:33:29,741 --> 00:33:31,577 of buildings being set on fire and looting. 707 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:33,512 Merchants in Koreatown just north of here 708 00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,581 are reportedly forming armed patrols. 709 00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:41,420 My God, Tim. 710 00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,690 What kind of world is this for our kid? 711 00:33:44,723 --> 00:33:47,093 All this hate and cruelty. 712 00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,328 This baby we're adopting, 713 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:51,197 what if we can't protect him? 714 00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:05,495 People of Los Angeles have sent a message. 715 00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:08,190 No more disasters like McMartin and Rodney King. 716 00:34:08,214 --> 00:34:09,724 No mistakes on my watch. Is that clear? 717 00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:10,716 Mr. Garcetti, I have no intention 718 00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:12,318 of losing Menendez. 719 00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,120 Winning is a given, Ms. Ferrero. 720 00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:15,454 Bozanich. 721 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:16,855 I got married recently. 722 00:34:16,888 --> 00:34:18,324 Bozanich. 723 00:34:18,357 --> 00:34:20,592 You grew up in Palos Verdes, didn't you? 724 00:34:20,626 --> 00:34:23,595 Went to Wellesley, all that fancy upbringing? 725 00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:28,334 I need to know if you can go for the jugular. 726 00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:31,603 I was born to be a prosecutor, Mr. Garcetti. 727 00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:33,339 Tomorrow, we'll hear from the Supreme Court 728 00:34:33,372 --> 00:34:34,716 on the Oziel tapes... I need you to get the trial 729 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,275 moved downtown. 730 00:34:36,308 --> 00:34:37,443 A majority black jury 731 00:34:37,476 --> 00:34:38,877 will see the Menendez brothers 732 00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:40,679 for the entitled, rich punks that they are. 733 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:43,182 They won't cut them any slack. 734 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:52,291 Leslie Abramson's office... 735 00:35:00,799 --> 00:35:02,601 They ruled out the December tape 736 00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:04,836 of Erik and Lyle. 737 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:09,608 Am I nuts, or did we just win something? 738 00:35:09,641 --> 00:35:11,510 Don't count your chickens. 739 00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:13,379 They're allowing Oziel's audio notes 740 00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:14,713 of Erik's confession. 741 00:35:14,746 --> 00:35:16,648 Well, it's half a victory. I'll take it. 742 00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:18,284 That was the last chance Texaco. 743 00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:21,653 There's no court left to appeal to. 744 00:35:21,687 --> 00:35:23,655 So now we know what the prosecution's 745 00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:26,658 gonna do at trial. We gotta build our case. 746 00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,794 Sexual abuse led to the murders. 747 00:35:28,827 --> 00:35:31,330 That will explain Erik killing his father, 748 00:35:31,363 --> 00:35:33,599 but until Lyle says Jose molested him too, 749 00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:35,367 the jury won't see the connection. 750 00:35:35,401 --> 00:35:37,669 Well, he acted to protect his brother from abuse, 751 00:35:37,703 --> 00:35:40,239 just as he tried to do when Erik was 12. 752 00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:41,949 There are other ways of protecting your brother 753 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:43,775 short of killing your parents. 754 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:46,278 The jury needs to see the whole picture. 755 00:35:46,312 --> 00:35:48,747 Both parents abused both brothers. 756 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,817 If the jury senses that there's a piece missing, 757 00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:53,852 that Jose molested Lyle too, 758 00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:56,422 they're gonna think we're trying to hide something. 759 00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:57,856 So we can build our defense, 760 00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,358 but it's not gonna hold up 761 00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:01,360 until Lyle comes clean. 762 00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,801 The grand jury has returned two counts each 763 00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:11,570 of firstdegree murder, 764 00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:13,472 and a charge of conspiracy, 765 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,207 against Lyle and Erik Menendez. 766 00:36:15,241 --> 00:36:17,909 The district attorney will seek the death penalty. 767 00:36:17,943 --> 00:36:18,977 Judge Ito, 768 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,812 this is extreme and unwarranted. 769 00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,848 The DA is overreaching. 770 00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:24,550 Noted, Ms. Abramson. 771 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:25,951 Let's talk venue. 772 00:36:25,984 --> 00:36:27,919 Your Honor, this case needs to come downtown, 773 00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,555 so that justice can be serve... 774 00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:30,898 I know what you want, Ms. Bozanich, 775 00:36:30,922 --> 00:36:32,958 but the downtown calendar is full 776 00:36:32,991 --> 00:36:34,693 and this portends to be a long 777 00:36:34,726 --> 00:36:36,528 and complicated trial. 778 00:36:36,562 --> 00:36:37,929 I am therefore calendaring it 779 00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:39,665 for Judge Weisberg's court 780 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,700 in Van Nuys. Have a nice drive. 781 00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:46,372 That's good for us, honey. 782 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:56,682 I know it's a burden on you to come here. 783 00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,025 If you can only manage once a week, 784 00:36:58,049 --> 00:36:59,651 I won't mind. 785 00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:01,920 I'm sorry, Erik. 786 00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:07,493 I tried. 787 00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:08,760 I really tried. I just 788 00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:10,696 can't stop picturing you 789 00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:11,797 holding that shotgun. 790 00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:13,832 Please don't do that. 791 00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:16,034 It wasn't me. 792 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:18,537 I mean, I did it, but it's not who I am. 793 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,807 Part of me knows that. I just... 794 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,444 I can't forget. 795 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:38,490 It's okay, Noelle. I understand. 796 00:37:38,524 --> 00:37:41,460 I hope everything turns out well for you, Erik. 797 00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:53,405 It was so stupid of me 798 00:37:53,439 --> 00:37:54,940 to say that to Oziel. 799 00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:56,442 I wasn't threatening him, 800 00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:59,077 but sometimes I say things like my dad. 801 00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:01,347 I just couldn't believe Erik told him. 802 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:03,782 I love my brother, and this all started 803 00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:05,484 because I was trying to protect him. 804 00:38:05,517 --> 00:38:07,085 From your father. 805 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,955 Yes. He told me Dad was still doing that stuff to him. 806 00:38:09,988 --> 00:38:12,691 I d... I didn't know. I... 807 00:38:12,724 --> 00:38:13,835 And he was such an intelligent man. 808 00:38:13,859 --> 00:38:15,060 He was... he was a great man. 809 00:38:15,093 --> 00:38:16,862 Why couldn't he just stop it? 810 00:38:19,931 --> 00:38:22,568 When Erik told you, what did you do? 811 00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,603 I confronted Dad, 812 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,638 and then things just went crazy. 813 00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:29,775 We knew they were gonna kill us. 814 00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:31,577 Dad always threatened that... 815 00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:34,613 That he could kill us and get a new family. 816 00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:37,449 He had guns upstairs. He was capable of that. 817 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:41,119 But I thought for sure 818 00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:42,721 after I confronted him when Erik was 12, 819 00:38:42,754 --> 00:38:44,055 he stopped hurting him, 820 00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:45,724 because that's about how old I was 821 00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:48,427 when he stopped molesting me. 822 00:39:12,951 --> 00:39:15,487 And it all came out after that. 823 00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:17,756 The abuse started when Lyle was six 824 00:39:17,789 --> 00:39:19,491 and ended when he was 10, 825 00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:22,494 and then Jose turned all of his attention to Erik. 826 00:39:22,528 --> 00:39:25,697 And 11 years later, he kills his father. 827 00:39:25,731 --> 00:39:28,033 Eleven years of scar tissue building up over his anger. 828 00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:29,735 It's like a volcano dome 829 00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:31,470 building up over boiling lava. 830 00:39:31,503 --> 00:39:33,639 One day, that volcano blows its top. 831 00:39:33,672 --> 00:39:34,873 And yet he keeps saying 832 00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:37,075 what a great man his father was. 833 00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:40,479 Right, he's idealizing his abuser. 834 00:39:40,512 --> 00:39:43,549 It's a coping mechanism when the victim 835 00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:45,817 is in an ongoing relationship with his abuser. 836 00:39:45,851 --> 00:39:47,185 I mean, in many ways, he's... 837 00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:50,456 He's patterned himself after his dad. 838 00:39:50,489 --> 00:39:51,723 Lyle said 839 00:39:51,757 --> 00:39:53,167 he thought his parents would kill them, 840 00:39:53,191 --> 00:39:54,660 and Erik said the same thing. 841 00:39:54,693 --> 00:39:56,161 Do you believe them? 842 00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:57,663 I believe they genuinely thought 843 00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:59,465 their lives were in danger. 844 00:39:59,498 --> 00:40:00,799 Longterm abuse victims 845 00:40:00,832 --> 00:40:02,768 are often hypervigilant 846 00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:04,169 to the smallest threat. 847 00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:07,573 They exaggerate them in their own minds. 848 00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:09,441 Thanks, Jon. 849 00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:18,684 So now we have our last piece. 850 00:40:18,717 --> 00:40:20,085 What are you thinking? 851 00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:23,455 Imperfect selfdefense. 852 00:40:23,489 --> 00:40:24,923 These boys were abused 853 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,558 from the age of six. 854 00:40:26,592 --> 00:40:28,594 They grew up with no sense 855 00:40:28,627 --> 00:40:30,496 of feeling protected by their parents. 856 00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:33,732 This is what a little faggot does. 857 00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:35,200 Beaten into submission... 858 00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:36,234 Fear me. 859 00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:38,036 Terrified into keeping secrets, 860 00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:39,104 sick secrets. 861 00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:41,006 Wrong! What will I do? 862 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,108 - You'll kill me. - That's right. 863 00:40:43,141 --> 00:40:44,976 When they finally stood up to their parents 864 00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:47,112 and threatened to spill those secrets, 865 00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:48,847 they were made to believe 866 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,649 that their parents would kill them. 867 00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:51,717 A genuine 868 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:53,552 but unreasonable belief 869 00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:54,586 that their lives 870 00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:55,987 were in imminent danger. 871 00:41:05,931 --> 00:41:09,000 So they shot their parents in selfdefense? 872 00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,004 Imperfect selfdefense? 873 00:41:13,038 --> 00:41:15,507 I believe that. 874 00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:16,742 Do you? 875 00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:19,010 Yes. 876 00:41:19,044 --> 00:41:22,648 And do you believe them? The abuse? 877 00:41:26,918 --> 00:41:28,987 Yes, I believe them. 878 00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:33,759 I believe in our case. 879 00:41:34,305 --> 00:41:40,940 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org61573

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