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Some people cannot believe
that a magician can fool them
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in such a way that they
can't figure it out.
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But magicians can and magicians do.
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Swindlers do, conmen do all the time.
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They're not magicians, they're fakes.
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They are lying to us, they're deceiving us.
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It's OK to fool people, as
long as you're doing that
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to teach them a lesson which
will better their knowledge
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of how the real world works.
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No matter how smart or
well-educated you are,
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you can be deceived.
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Hello, how are you doing today?
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Very well, thank you.
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- Can I bring you something to...?
- Coffee!
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Oh, yes, please. For me, coffee.
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- I'll get you coffee in a minute, OK?
- OK.
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Oh, my heart just started again,
that's good. Always a good sign.
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See, I've always had my battle
with the psychics, the so-called -
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and I use that word in quotations
all the time, remember that!
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People who are stealing
money from the public,
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cheating them and misinforming them.
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That's the kind of thing that
I've been fighting all my life.
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Magicians are the most
honest people in the world,
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they tell you they are going to
fool you, and then they do it.
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Wait a minute, I have to worship here.
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OK.
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- APPLAUSE - James Randi is the
author of The Faith Healers
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and he's best known as an
investigator of psychic
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and miraculous claims.
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Would you welcome, please,
The Amazing Randi.
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- Here he is! The Amazing Randi!
- HE SNORES
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- What did you... would you tell us who you are?
- The Amazing Randi. Ta-da!
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I was born at an early age in a log
cabin I helped my father build.
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By the time I was seven I was eleven.
I grew up very fast.
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I am a magician, I always
have been a magician...
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A conjurer, prestidigitator,
legerdemainist... liar, cheat,
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- charlatan and fake.
- LAUGHTER
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You're a master magician.
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Some people have said that you're about
the greatest escape artist since Houdini.
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Randi has a real deep natural affection
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for magic and this love of deception.
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A good magician needs to be a
little bit of a conman, I think.
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He needs to be sort of a criminal type,
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but not have enough guts
to actually rob banks.
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He loves magic. He spent his whole
life as a performer, as a magician.
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So he really resents anyone
applying the techniques of magic
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for any purpose other than entertainment.
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Especially to convince people that
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there is something psychic going on
here, he thinks that an abomination.
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Tonight on this stage you
are going to meet a man
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who claims he can move physical
objects using the powers of his mind.
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APPLAUSE
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Now, you have been touring our country,
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- debunking psychics, haven't you?
- I have indeed.
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And I think that the
solution is rather simple.
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Now, what I have here is
particles of a white plastic
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which will rather conclusively
show that Mr Hydrick
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is merely blowing on both
the page and on the pencil.
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- James?
- Ready.
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Randi says the public is
being fleeced via trickery.
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"I am going to tell you what's
happening and more to the point,
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"this is going to be a crusade
to try and change the world."
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If there is something to the paranormal,
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let's find out what it is, if anything.
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And on the other hand let's not
be taken in by the claptrap
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that is being offered
us, and at our expense.
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I just ingested six-and-a-half-days'
worth of homeopathic sleeping pills.
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- Why don't they affect me?
- LAUGHTER
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People say, what's the harm?
Why do you care about this?
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Then I saw Randi's answer, which was,
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bad ideas can cause you
serious damage or death.
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The psychic surgeons, they
operate with their bare hands
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and profess to remove tumours,
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malignant tissue, without any marks at all.
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And believe me, the gimmick is so simple
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you can buy it for 75
cents in a magic shop.
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Now, what you're about to see
is a bare-handed operation...
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His point isn't to tell you
that something isn't true.
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His point is to widen your scope of
vision so that you will question
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the things that happen in front of you.
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- Oh, no, that doesn't come out.
- LAUGHTER
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Some people think that he's very dogmatic.
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It's always some tired person in a
shack someplace in Idaho or Iowa
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or some place like that
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who gets picked up by extraterrestrials
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and they have their genitals
examined in great detail
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and they can't wait to get
on Oprah to describe it.
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- I'll bet you don't believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus either.
- I'm looking into Santa Claus.
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He's a great storyteller and like
all good storytellers, well,
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there's probably some
information and detail in there
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that may not be appearing
in his version of events.
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It is, I will say, interesting that a man
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who has devoted his whole life
to using the tools of deception
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to uncover real deception has,
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at the centre of his life, a deception.
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APPLAUSE And welcome to To Tell The Truth.
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Let's meet our next team of challengers.
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One of these three men pretended to
be possessed by an ancient spirit.
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Number one, what is your name, please?
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My name is Jose Alvarez.
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- Number two.
- My name is Jose Alvarez.
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- Number three.
- My name is Jose Alvarez.
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Only one of these people
is the real Jose Alvarez,
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and is the only one sworn
To Tell The Truth.
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APPLAUSE
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'I first met Jose Alvarez in the
Fort Lauderdale public library.'
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I offered to explain something
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about one of the photographs
he was looking at.
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This is the actual flower
here for the cactus.
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- Yes.
- The little ones. And look at this, if this...
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Yeah, this is fantastic, look at that.
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- Yeah, we need to spread that around.
- See, this is the one I cut for the...
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'We end up spending the whole afternoon'
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talking about our mutual interest
about space exploration.
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I remember we looked at books on
telescopes and I told him I had
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such a telescope at home, the Questar.
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I went back to my friends and I said,
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"I just met this extraordinary man,
and I would like to meet him again."
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We were able to go out
at night with a tripod
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and see the moons of Jupiter and all
kinds of good things like that,
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which is always very
exciting to show somebody,
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certainly if it's for the first time.
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'I just got very excited
and I said, I need to...'
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I need to be with him more! HE LAUGHS
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'When I first met Randi, I
wasn't aware of who he was.'
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OK, tomorrow, don't tell
me about tomorrow...
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And I was there when he
won the MacArthur Award.
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The gentleman announced, we are
calling from the MacArthur Committee
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and told me that I had won the prize,
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- and I answered in my most intelligible way...
- HE BABBLES INCOHERENTLY
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'Then I got a real feel
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'of the kind of impact he
was having culturally.
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'And little by little, I started
getting more and more involved
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'in the investigation of paranormal
activities that Randi was doing.
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'And then he asked me to play the
character of a fake channeller
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'in a project that we end
up working together.'
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This woman is JZ Knight.
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She's also the one they call
Ramtha, a mystical male spirit,
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35,000 years old, who claims to be divine.
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Now, you must understand that
the so-called channellers
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were claiming that they could
contact long-dead spirits.
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Now, not a few hundred years back, no, no.
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They were more ambitious than that.
Tens of thousands of years ago.
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Indeed!
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And they would speak in
funny voices like this!
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God bless you, Doctor!
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All right, I'll say, how are you this day
of your time as you create time to exist.
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They were very popular. They gave talks,
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HUGE prices for the seats.
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There are often so many people,
the Ramtha Organisation can earn
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up to 200,000 for a single appearance.
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And you're my first 35,000-year-old guest.
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It was such nonsense.
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I can't think of that technical term...
Oh, yes - bullshit.
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What she definitely is is part of what
is being called the New Age movement.
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Lots of people believe
this is something genuine
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because they see something
on television and think,
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"My goodness, surely this journalist
would have checked this stuff out."
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Trauma from a past life
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sometimes seems to spill
over into the present.
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We are conditioned to believe
that things that look like
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documentaries, but are not
factual, must essentially be true
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or it wouldn't be presented
as if it were factual.
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Hello?
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The Carlos Hoax started
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when 60 Minutes Australia
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called Randi because they wanted to
prove that channellers were a hoax.
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On that phone call, Randi told them
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that you couldn't prove that someone
who said that they are inhabited
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by a spirit 40,000 years
old is a false claim.
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What he said to them was, "What
we need to do is to create one."
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His name is Carlos and you've
probably seen him on television
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or mentioned in the press.
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Carlos is involved in the
mystical field of channelling.
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Carlos, if you believe him,
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is a spiritual messenger who
occupies the body of this
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19-year-old Puerto Rican
artist, Jose Alvarez.
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The Carlos Hoax was to show
that the media would fall for
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most of these stunts if they
sounded attractive enough,
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and they wouldn't really
investigate too carefully.
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So, one of the very first things
we did to introduce Carlos to the
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public, we made up the press package
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that we presented to the Australian press.
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'What trash this is!'
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We even invented newspapers and magazines
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that never existed. Theatrical
magazines particularly,
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announcing the appearance
of the Great Carlos
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at such-and-such a theatre
that didn't exist.
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But no-one in the media bothered to
check up on one of these details.
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They could have picked up
the phone and just checked
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and they would have found out
that they were being deceived.
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- 'Hello?'
- It didn't happen.
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One man who's been making a name for
himself here in the United States
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is now doing the same in Australia.
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Jose Luis Alvarez is a
19-year-old channeller.
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By 60 hours after we had arrived,
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we had eight major TV appearances,
headlines in newspapers.
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Everyone in Australia pretty
well knew that Carlos was there.
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HE SHRIEKS
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It will be astronomical... in nature!
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Frankly, I was just doing
it without thinking.
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Otherwise, I wouldn't
have been able to do it.
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Last Sunday, the Opera House Drama Theatre
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was packed with a
near-capacity crowd of 500,
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there to listen to Carlos and
to have their questions passed
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on to him by his disciples.
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Crystals are fossils... of long ago!
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I know he's definitely psychic.
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It's something that I can
feel coming from him.
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I thought it was great.
Very sincere, I thought.
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- Do you believe him?
- Yeah, I do, actually.
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The following Sunday, 60 Minutes
Australia revealed the whole hoax.
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He billed himself as a
man of the supernatural,
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a man who could do amazing things.
And thousands believed him,
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making him a celebrity.
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But it was all an elaborate hoax.
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The most basic fact about Carlos
was that he simply doesn't exist.
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That's the real teaching of Carlos.
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But this doesn't even scratch the surface
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of just what a phoney Carlos is.
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I am Carlos!
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Though I had, just a year or so
before this Australian event,
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actually met Jose Alvarez,
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I was very pleased at what
it did for our relationship
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because it really cemented it pretty well.
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We decided after that that
we sort of belong together.
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I recognised, I guess, at a very early age
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that my feelings were different
from those around me.
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And it was pretty evident to me
that that was heavily frowned upon.
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I perhaps felt like a bit of an outsider.
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My father only really spoke
to me twice in my whole life.
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Calling me aside, sitting me down
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and having a discussion.
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We did that twice during my life,
I was surprised both times.
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I was pretty well educated on my own.
The local education system
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in Toronto, Canada, actually allowed
me to stay out of grade school,
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only going in there to take the tests.
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I was free to wander
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around Toronto and I found the
Casino Theatre on Queen Street.
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I saw The Great Blackstone advertised.
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I had never seen a magician
before in my whole life.
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Harry Blackstone walked out on stage
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and did wonderful things that I
had never dreamed could be done.
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He had this young lady walk out
from the side of the stage
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and he cast her into a trance. And he said,
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"Princess Astra...
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"..rise!"
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She floated up into the air.
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And I looked very carefully,
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and I could not see any means
whereby she could be suspended
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in the air and caused to move in the air!
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That was wonderful, I was transfixed.
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How could the man do such a thing?
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I determined at that moment
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that I was going to become
a professional magician.
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And so at 17, I decided I wouldn't
graduate from high school,
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I left home and I joined the carnival.
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I never went home again.
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Now, is it possible that I could
have drawn anything on there?
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Do you want to take one more look?
Take one more look, there's
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nothing in there except a crushed
piece of chalk, right? Now,
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before you open up the slates, what
was the word that you looked at in
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- the book? Would you mind telling us?
- Mackerel.
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I was doing, well, so-called
mind-reading tricks and such,
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psychic tricks, so to speak.
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- It's been in your hands all this time,
right? - I assume so. - All right, then,
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would you open them and see what the spirits
have brought us in the way of a message.
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Don't tell her how it was done.
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When I introduced myself as a magician,
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I used to say to my
audience, "Good evening,
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"my name is The Great Randall.
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"I am a liar, a cheat and a charlatan.
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"I will blatantly lie to
you, but for purposes of
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"entertainment only, of course.
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"And those lies may not be
discernible from the truth."
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Randi had this sense of trying
to be bigger than life.
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And the easiest way to
be bigger than yourself
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is to lie.
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I was 21 years of age when
I predicted the outcome
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of that year's World Series.
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And it was good for me,
it moved me up a peg.
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But it also had some fallout.
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People would stop me in the street,
literally, and start to ask
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personal questions,
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family questions and such that
they thought I could answer,
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and even offering me money to
predict whether the husband that
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the girl had chosen was the right one...
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That was quite a comeuppance for
me because I realised, you know,
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people really do believe this nonsense.
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Mentalism can be a deal with the devil.
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It's an incredibly seductive
feeling for someone to
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imbue you with that power.
It's a very tempting thing.
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Then you have to make a decision.
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Are you the sort of person that will
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look someone in the eye,
and even though you have
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got no idea what their future holds,
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you're prepared to tell them
something that isn't true,
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that may harm them,
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just to move money from
their wallet into yours.
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You do not have that influence
and power as a magician.
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You have it the moment you
deny you're a magician.
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I know that surge of power that you feel
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when you use a cheap trick
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to manipulate someone else
into thinking you have powers
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that you don't have.
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And I think it's very much to the
good of the world that when Randi
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felt that power, he backed away from it.
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And out of that feeling of that power,
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uh... came a rage.
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I want now to introduce Uri Geller.
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He's been denounced by some people
as a magician, and certainly he's a
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showman. He gives demonstrations
all over the United States.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Uri Geller.
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APPLAUSE
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They said his name was Uri Geller.
The name didn't mean a thing to me.
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He's come to the attention of
Stanford Research Institute,
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and the scientists there are
apparently quite convinced that
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he has psychic powers.
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What I do is telepathy...
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and that is, as everybody knows,
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is receiving thoughts and passing thoughts.
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And then I have the other power
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which I, which I read that
they call pyschokinesis.
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And that is moving or bending
or breaking objects.
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It's cracking, I feel it under my fingers.
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See how gently it goes?
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Look, it's like it's becoming like plastic.
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It's breaking... It's breaking.
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You can...
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if, look, it's very...
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LAUGHTER
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In 1972, I got a call from
Colonel Austin Kibler of
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the Defense Department, then acting
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head of ARPA, as it was called -
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Advanced Research Projects Agency.
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He says, "Could you drop
everything you're doing
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"and go to Stanford Research Institute.
There's a
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"psychic down there and if he can
do what they claim he can do,
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"we ought to be involved.
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"Cos the Russians have a big programme now
going, using what they call Psy-Warfare."
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This film describes a
five-week investigation
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conducted at Stanford Research
Institute with Uri Geller,
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a young Israeli.
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Here we present a case of
a double-blind experiment
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in which someone places an object
into a can chosen at random from ten
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aluminium cans. Geller's
task now is to determine
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which of these ten cans holds
the steel ball bearing.
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Now Targ and Puthoff, the two scientists
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who were in residence there at
the time, were quite a pair.
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First of all, Targ is legally blind.
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And, er...
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he was one of the observers. Duh!
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He has made his choice,
the steel ball is found.
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He fooled the pants off
them, it was astonishing.
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They saw Nobel Prizes
on the horizon because
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if you do discover there really were
psychic powers, that would certainly
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- bring you a Nobel Prize or two.
- In this case, Geller guessed that a
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four was showing, and he was quite
pleased to have guessed correctly.
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When I made my report to the
government that Geller was...
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a complete fraud,
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Targ and Puthoff realised they
were not going to get the money
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from the government, so they
took Geller on a tour to get
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publicity for him and to
raise some private money
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to do their research with him.
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I've been reading a lot of research on him
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from the Stanford Research Institute
and from the science section
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of the New York Times.
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A lot of publicity on this gentleman
whose name is Uri, U-R-I, Uri Geller.
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And we hope we're going to see some
rather astounding things tonight.
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Would you welcome, please, Uri Geller.
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APPLAUSE
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Johnny Carson was THE man.
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Everybody watched that programme on NBC
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and since I had been on the
programme many, many times,
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they asked if I could come into California
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to appear on the show that night.
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And I said, "Boy this
is rather short notice,
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"but I will talk to your prop man.
And I'll tell the prop man how
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"he can prepare the props in such
and such a way that if it's real,
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"Geller can do it.
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"But if it's a fake, Geller
won't be able to do it."
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- Are you feeling in the mood yet?
- No.
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- More questions?
- All right, let's...
- What's the capital of South Dakota?
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LAUGHTER
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No, I don't mean to press you.
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OK, uh, let me see.
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I said, OK, what I would like you
to do with the little aluminium
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film cans is I would like you
to coat them on the bottom
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with rubber cement.
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Don't glue them down to the tray,
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just coat the bottoms and let them dry.
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When they're put on the tray,
they won't skid, then.
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I said because the way he does
the film-can thing is he rotates
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the tray and he sees which
ones move differently.
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We'll start eliminating the ones
that do not have the water.
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- Without touching them.
- He is really suspicious, you know!
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I'm having a hard time with you!
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- I don't mean to be, Uri, I really don't.
- Just keep looking.
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- OK, let me rest a little, all right?
- All right.
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They actually shut down the set
for 20 minutes or so while he
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hummed and hawed and wondered how
he was going to do something,
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then they came back to the live audience
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after a big, long commercial break.
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All right, we are back.
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Uri was telling me you don't
feel, what, strong tonight?
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- I don't feel strong...
- Geller had to give the whole thing up.
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It was a real failure for
him, definite failure.
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Because Carson's people had followed
the instructions that I gave them.
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- Don't be disappointed.
- I won't.
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- I'm not.
- OK.
- We thought he didn't have a future.
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And we were wrong! Very, very wrong,
we didn't know how wrong we were!
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Try to make a Boy Scout knot.
Really heave on it.
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That doesn't feel very tight,
put another knot on top,
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would you, please? Just one more
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to make sure. I don't want it
to fall off around my ankles.
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- There we go.
- What did I ever do to you? Why do you hate me so much?!
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I'm going to see if I can take this
rope off, it may take me a while,
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but I'll see how fast I can do it.
Would you time me, please?
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- Do you have a watch there, just look at your watch.
- Uh, yeah.
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How about you, you got a watch? I have one.
It took 2½ seconds.
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I think I deserve a large
round of applause for that.
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One of Randi's great heroes
is Harry Houdini, and the
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life of Harry Houdini reads very
similar to the life of James Randi.
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Starting out as an amazing magician
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and escape artist, he was a great
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showman and debunker and dedicated his life
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to keeping people from being duped.
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Well, the thought naturally
occurred to me that I
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could base a good deal of my life on
Harry Houdini and his adventures,
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perhaps do some of the
things that he had done
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and perhaps even improve on them.
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- Open sesame, try that.
- Open sesame.
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- Oh, look at it!
- The door is opening!
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I wanted to break his records -
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I wanted to stay in a sealed
metal coffin longer than he did,
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get out of a straitjacket
faster than he did.
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Out of chains, out of leg
irons and handcuffs.
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I said if a man could make
it, I could break it.
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There was nothing he couldn't get out of.
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Or make it at least seem like
he was getting out of them.
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The clock is still going, he has
established a world's record.
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In some cases, 200 feet of rope
wrapped up on a chair on stage.
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You just hope that the
theatre doesn't catch fire,
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because they're likely to
leave you behind to fry.
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But it's when some of the things
like hanging over Niagara Falls
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in a straitjacket at 20 below
zero, that gets your attention.
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♪ Billion dollar babies
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♪ Hey!
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♪ Billion dollar babies... ♪
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In '73, with Billion Dollar Babies,
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we said this whole album
is about extravagance,
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so take it to the next level,
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let's use illusion.
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If you're going to get your head
cut off, it can be scary and funny
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at the same time, but it's
got to be professional.
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So you go to the best guy, and
Amazing Randi was the best guy.
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I had never heard of Alice Cooper.
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I assumed it was a woman,
you see, silly me!
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And I said, yeah, this might be fun.
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He really starts to become
kind of a pop-culture figure.
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All the way to... Happy Days!
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Good afternoon, gentlemen,
I am The Amazing Randi.
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Hey, The Amazing Randi!
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My appearance on Happy Days
really did a lot for my career.
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- Fonzie, thanks a lot. You really saved the day.
- Are you kidding?
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- Whoa.
- Hey!
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- See ya.
- Yeah, hang in there.
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This is show business. The showmanship.
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That's one respect in which
470
00:28:35,578 --> 00:28:39,623
I based a good deal of my efforts
on what Houdini had done.
471
00:28:39,624 --> 00:28:41,250
He had done it by trial and error
472
00:28:41,251 --> 00:28:43,711
and I benefitted from his example.
473
00:28:43,712 --> 00:28:47,548
This actually was invented
more than half a century ago
474
00:28:47,549 --> 00:28:50,009
by the late, great, Harry Houdini.
475
00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:53,137
I was asked to do a show
honouring Harry Houdini.
476
00:28:53,138 --> 00:28:57,350
I am going to immerse myself inside the can,
my body will displace some of the water,
477
00:28:57,351 --> 00:29:01,396
the water will be filled right to the
very top and the lid will be locked on.
478
00:29:01,397 --> 00:29:06,276
And I was going to do the milk can.
Now, this is rehearsal,
479
00:29:06,277 --> 00:29:10,113
maybe 20 minutes before airtime.
480
00:29:10,114 --> 00:29:13,117
And I tried to perform the escape.
481
00:29:14,827 --> 00:29:17,078
I couldn't get out of the milk can.
482
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:22,042
Something had jammed and I
heard a crackling noise.
483
00:29:22,043 --> 00:29:26,380
Turned out it was a couple of my
vertebrae that had been chipped.
484
00:29:26,381 --> 00:29:31,802
And the pain was rather
considerable, to say the least.
485
00:29:31,803 --> 00:29:36,182
I was in deep trouble. I knew that if
I panicked I would... I'd be dead,
486
00:29:36,183 --> 00:29:40,394
that's all there is to it.
So you don't panic.
487
00:29:40,395 --> 00:29:43,064
I had to let myself sink
back into the water,
488
00:29:43,065 --> 00:29:45,566
I was in a bit of trouble.
489
00:29:45,567 --> 00:29:50,530
Finally I heard the noises that
they were undoing the padlocks.
490
00:29:50,531 --> 00:29:53,950
I roared up out of the water,
491
00:29:53,951 --> 00:29:57,537
and there I was, I had been saved.
It was a close call.
492
00:29:57,538 --> 00:30:01,750
Ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome The Amazing Randi!
493
00:30:01,751 --> 00:30:03,251
I came back from the hospital
494
00:30:03,252 --> 00:30:06,546
and I was introduced down near the
end of the show on a stretcher.
495
00:30:06,547 --> 00:30:08,173
I've just returned from the hospital
496
00:30:08,174 --> 00:30:10,717
and they tell me that I have a
double compression fracture
497
00:30:10,718 --> 00:30:13,053
of the vertebrae,
498
00:30:13,054 --> 00:30:16,432
and it's not something I recommend
you undertake as a hobby.
499
00:30:16,433 --> 00:30:18,517
It wasn't a great blow to me.
500
00:30:18,518 --> 00:30:21,979
And I was at the point where I
thought that maybe it was time
501
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:23,689
to get out of this business.
502
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:26,108
Randi probably could've
kept doing it for a while.
503
00:30:26,109 --> 00:30:28,486
I remember him saying to
me, "There comes a point
504
00:30:28,487 --> 00:30:31,614
"you just don't want to see a little
old guy getting out of a can."
505
00:30:31,615 --> 00:30:34,700
I heard that this going to be the
last escape, you're through with it.
506
00:30:34,701 --> 00:30:37,412
Yes, the last straitjacket
escape, certainly.
507
00:30:37,413 --> 00:30:39,831
I may do some jail escapes
and a few things like that,
508
00:30:39,832 --> 00:30:43,793
- but I'm going to leave that stunt to the younger people.
- Oh, yeah. How old are you?
509
00:30:43,794 --> 00:30:47,547
I'm 55 now, and it's time to
get out of that business.
510
00:30:47,548 --> 00:30:50,133
I think it gave him the opportunity
511
00:30:50,134 --> 00:30:55,430
to focus full-time on what he regarded...
512
00:30:55,431 --> 00:30:57,517
as the bigger, better targets.
513
00:31:05,442 --> 00:31:09,486
In the name of Jesus! Everybody
with a bone disease,
514
00:31:09,487 --> 00:31:13,908
everybody with a back
infirmity, misplaced vertebrae,
515
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:16,661
bring them right down
over here to the side.
516
00:31:16,662 --> 00:31:20,706
Did you ever feel anything like
this, it's like warm liquid fire
517
00:31:20,707 --> 00:31:22,959
flowing over this whole building!
518
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,253
Oh, thank you, Jesus.
519
00:31:25,254 --> 00:31:27,297
Oh, God.
520
00:31:27,298 --> 00:31:31,509
Let her go, that's the
power of the Holy Spirit.
521
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:34,596
During the '80s, the faith
healing racket was very,
522
00:31:34,597 --> 00:31:37,724
very prominent, literally
all over the world.
523
00:31:37,725 --> 00:31:40,894
Let his leg begin to grow, heal the disc.
There, it's coming...
524
00:31:40,895 --> 00:31:44,106
In the name of Jesus.
525
00:31:44,107 --> 00:31:46,859
I did a lot of investigation, I
visited a lot of these tent shows
526
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:50,112
as we called them, and we
didn't see any evidence of
527
00:31:50,113 --> 00:31:52,614
healing taking place whatsoever.
528
00:31:52,615 --> 00:31:55,785
But I was particularly
obsessed with Peter Popoff.
529
00:32:03,543 --> 00:32:05,670
You've got cancer of the stomach?
530
00:32:05,671 --> 00:32:08,798
Are you ready for God to
burn that cancer out?
531
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:13,386
A man like Reverend Peter Popoff
was a very dangerous man.
532
00:32:13,387 --> 00:32:18,183
In my estimation, he was a real scoundrel.
Because he was taking
533
00:32:18,184 --> 00:32:21,394
people's faith in their
religion - he was taking away
534
00:32:21,395 --> 00:32:25,565
their security. In many cases,
he was harming them physically
535
00:32:25,566 --> 00:32:27,442
because he was convincing them
536
00:32:27,443 --> 00:32:30,237
that they didn't have to
go to doctors any more,
537
00:32:30,238 --> 00:32:34,741
- that Jesus had healed them.
- If you've got pills, as an act of faith,
538
00:32:34,742 --> 00:32:37,327
I want you to just throw
'em out in the aisles.
539
00:32:37,328 --> 00:32:41,957
Those of you up on the balcony, just
throw them over the side, Amen.
540
00:32:41,958 --> 00:32:45,796
Throw them over the side,
throw them over the side.
541
00:32:46,963 --> 00:32:49,674
So you have Popoff, who's
going around the congregation
542
00:32:49,675 --> 00:32:52,885
and just seemed to be able to hear
the voice of God and know all about
543
00:32:52,886 --> 00:32:54,470
people, even their addresses,
544
00:32:54,471 --> 00:32:56,722
he would call it out, everyone's impressed.
545
00:32:56,723 --> 00:33:00,810
Is that... John? 3784 Archwood Road?
546
00:33:00,811 --> 00:33:05,732
God is burning those blood clots out
of his veins, out of his arteries...
547
00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:08,276
Jesus!
548
00:33:08,277 --> 00:33:09,653
There it is...
549
00:33:09,654 --> 00:33:13,448
So he was doing a mentalism act, it
appeared, and we wondered how he got
550
00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,910
- the information.
- So Randi was coming to town and he said,
551
00:33:16,911 --> 00:33:21,915
"Would you like to come see this evangelist by the
name of Peter Popoff, and he's supposedly really
552
00:33:21,916 --> 00:33:25,294
"well known, and he's going to be
downtown and he's going to be doing
553
00:33:25,295 --> 00:33:28,631
"this whole revival thing and
thousands of people will be there."
554
00:33:28,632 --> 00:33:31,884
And I said, "Yeah, I'd love to come."
555
00:33:31,885 --> 00:33:34,553
Is it Ruby, Ruby Harris?
556
00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:38,557
So, I'm sitting there with Randi
and there's thousands of people.
557
00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:41,519
Come on up here, Ruby - here she comes!
558
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,231
They believe this man has a
connection with their God
559
00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:48,401
- and he can actually heal them.
- Yes! Yes! Yes!
560
00:33:48,402 --> 00:33:52,781
Now, listen, I'm going to tell her what's wrong
with her, but I'm not going to tell it out loud
561
00:33:52,782 --> 00:33:56,785
because it's confidential. How many of you
believe the Holy Spirit's a gentleman?
562
00:33:56,786 --> 00:34:01,206
I realised at that moment, something big is going
on here. This is a lot more than I thought it was.
563
00:34:01,207 --> 00:34:03,125
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
564
00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:06,211
God's going to burn them out
right now, here they go!
565
00:34:06,212 --> 00:34:08,422
Here they go - right now, Jesus!
566
00:34:08,423 --> 00:34:10,090
And I have to tell you,
567
00:34:10,091 --> 00:34:13,677
it was an absolutely amazing
experience, because...
568
00:34:13,678 --> 00:34:19,141
- the emotions that you feel when there are people up there who are in tears...
- Right now,
569
00:34:19,142 --> 00:34:22,311
Jesus! Ah, hallelujah!
He's not going to need...
570
00:34:22,312 --> 00:34:27,275
Who are shaking and you've got this
entire energy going throughout this room.
571
00:34:27,276 --> 00:34:29,527
It does something to
you, even as a sceptic.
572
00:34:29,528 --> 00:34:31,362
It truly does something to you.
573
00:34:31,363 --> 00:34:35,992
- Oh, hallelujah, get up on your feet, let's walk!
- There is no pain, no pain!
574
00:34:35,993 --> 00:34:37,995
12 years, there's no pain!
575
00:34:39,371 --> 00:34:44,001
Look at that! There he goes!
There he goes, Hallelujah!
576
00:34:45,878 --> 00:34:50,967
Oh, praise God! How many of you
know that burns the Devil up?
577
00:34:52,927 --> 00:34:56,263
After a while, you know, I'm sitting
there and after some of the emotion
578
00:34:56,264 --> 00:35:00,225
had died down in me, Popoff said, "I need
people to come down to collect money" for him
579
00:35:00,226 --> 00:35:04,563
and basically he had 15 buckets, and I'm supposed
to go around the auditorium and collect cash.
580
00:35:04,564 --> 00:35:08,609
God is touching that thyroid
condition right now.
581
00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:13,239
These people were throwing fives, tens, twenties,
because one of the things Popoff always tells them,
582
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,658
"Whatever you give,
you'll get back tenfold."
583
00:35:15,659 --> 00:35:20,079
So if you put a dollar in, hey, you're going
to get ten bucks. You put 100 bucks in,
584
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,791
you're going to get a lot more money back.
And these people truly believed this.
585
00:35:23,792 --> 00:35:27,420
Here it comes, complete healing in Jesus.
586
00:35:27,421 --> 00:35:30,632
You foul spirit of deafness,
take your hands off this woman
587
00:35:30,633 --> 00:35:34,636
in Jesus' name. Lord, let these
ears be open, there it is...
588
00:35:34,637 --> 00:35:36,304
And as I get up close,
589
00:35:36,305 --> 00:35:39,725
I notice in his ear, that there's
an earpiece, there's no earhole.
590
00:35:39,726 --> 00:35:43,312
It's a little piece of plastic in there
and I come back to Randi and I said,
591
00:35:43,313 --> 00:35:44,938
"I think I know what's going on."
592
00:35:44,939 --> 00:35:49,693
I said what's up? He said, "He's wearing
a hearing aid in his left ear."
593
00:35:49,694 --> 00:35:52,780
Now, a man who heals the deaf,
594
00:35:52,781 --> 00:35:56,826
you wouldn't think would
be wearing a hearing aid.
595
00:35:56,827 --> 00:36:00,204
- How do I sound now?
- Loud!
- Loud.
596
00:36:00,205 --> 00:36:03,624
At that point, I realised we
needed some technical help, so I
597
00:36:03,625 --> 00:36:07,336
enlisted the aid of a private
investigator named Alec Jason.
598
00:36:07,337 --> 00:36:08,796
Stand by.
599
00:36:08,797 --> 00:36:11,174
And... action.
600
00:36:11,175 --> 00:36:14,677
One day, Randi called me and
suggested that Peter Popoff was
601
00:36:14,678 --> 00:36:16,429
using radio transmissions,
602
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:18,556
but they couldn't really figure out
603
00:36:18,557 --> 00:36:20,392
how it was done and they wanted to know
604
00:36:20,393 --> 00:36:22,477
if I could intercept it or detect it.
605
00:36:22,478 --> 00:36:24,938
I said I certainly couldn't guarantee it.
606
00:36:24,939 --> 00:36:29,360
Less than 50/50, maybe, you know, 25%.
607
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:33,280
We knew that Popoff had a
"service" as he called it,
608
00:36:33,281 --> 00:36:35,324
happening in San Francisco
609
00:36:35,325 --> 00:36:37,701
and we figured we'd better be there.
610
00:36:37,702 --> 00:36:41,956
- Do you support Peter's ministry financially?
- Every dime I can, yeah.
611
00:36:41,957 --> 00:36:43,624
What brings you here today?
612
00:36:43,625 --> 00:36:46,669
Well, I'm expecting a miracle.
Physical healing.
613
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:50,506
The day of the event, I dressed as a
security guard. Complete uniform -
614
00:36:50,507 --> 00:36:54,302
badge, shirt, radio, keys...
615
00:36:54,303 --> 00:36:55,428
everything.
616
00:36:55,429 --> 00:36:59,140
I'm not a security guard - I just
look like one, part of my cover.
617
00:36:59,141 --> 00:37:01,268
'And I was nervous.'
618
00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:07,565
I appeared in disguise as Adam Jersin.
619
00:37:07,566 --> 00:37:10,777
And if you put those words
together and mix them up,
620
00:37:10,778 --> 00:37:12,362
they spell James Randi.
621
00:37:12,363 --> 00:37:17,034
So I went down a corridor and
that's where I set up my equipment.
622
00:37:17,035 --> 00:37:20,120
It was concealed n bags. So I have
623
00:37:20,121 --> 00:37:24,541
my scanner going and it's
looking for new frequencies,
624
00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:27,169
anything new that's not there normally.
625
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:30,297
Get ready...
626
00:37:30,298 --> 00:37:31,466
get ready.
627
00:37:33,009 --> 00:37:34,885
- Praise God.
- Suddenly,
628
00:37:34,886 --> 00:37:38,639
on the scanner, one of the lights
came on saying there's a signal
629
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,560
and the scanner has stopped at
that frequency. And I hear what I
630
00:37:42,561 --> 00:37:46,022
realise are now... footsteps.
631
00:37:46,023 --> 00:37:49,067
High-heel footsteps on a hard surface.
632
00:37:49,068 --> 00:37:51,820
How many of you believe it's
all right to praise the Lord?
633
00:37:51,821 --> 00:37:56,074
And then I hear someone coming
closer and closer to the microphone
634
00:37:56,075 --> 00:37:59,119
and a woman's voice said, "Hello, Petey..."
635
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,289
'Hello, Petey. Can you hear me?
636
00:38:02,290 --> 00:38:04,624
'If you can't, you're in trouble...'
637
00:38:04,625 --> 00:38:09,671
Yes! They were using a radio frequency.
I found it!
638
00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:11,006
In the name of Jesus...
639
00:38:11,007 --> 00:38:13,467
'Jodi Dean. Jodi Dean.'
640
00:38:13,468 --> 00:38:15,594
Is it Jodi?
641
00:38:15,595 --> 00:38:17,179
Jodi?
642
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:19,140
Dean? Jodi Dean?
643
00:38:19,141 --> 00:38:21,475
'No, she should be right
there on your right side.'
644
00:38:21,476 --> 00:38:23,769
Here it comes.
645
00:38:23,770 --> 00:38:27,398
'OK, she lives at 4267 Masterson.'
646
00:38:27,399 --> 00:38:31,319
4267 Masterson? I can see the angels
of God all around your house.
647
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,403
Rosa?
648
00:38:32,404 --> 00:38:37,033
- 'Cameer.'
- Is it Cameer? You been taking a lot of medication?
649
00:38:37,034 --> 00:38:41,329
'She's there with her son Kipper
and he has a lump in his chest.'
650
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:43,331
Wait just a minute, who's Kipper?
651
00:38:43,332 --> 00:38:47,127
He's got a lump in his chest. You
want God to melt it right now?
652
00:38:47,128 --> 00:38:51,006
Kipper, stand-up, God's going to
burn that thing out, right now.
653
00:38:51,007 --> 00:38:54,593
They'd filled out prayer request
forms, saying "I have cancer,"
654
00:38:54,594 --> 00:38:57,054
or I have this problem or that problem.
655
00:38:57,055 --> 00:39:00,182
So she's giving that
information directly to Popoff
656
00:39:00,183 --> 00:39:02,977
and then he's reciting that information
657
00:39:02,978 --> 00:39:05,062
as if he's getting it from God.
658
00:39:05,063 --> 00:39:07,148
'Martha Zacorski...'
659
00:39:07,149 --> 00:39:10,484
Is it Martha, is it Zacorski?
660
00:39:10,485 --> 00:39:14,113
- 'Weldon Krabb.'
- Is it Weldon...
- 'Krabb.'
- Krabb?
661
00:39:14,114 --> 00:39:17,366
- 'Peggy White.'
- Peggy White?
662
00:39:17,367 --> 00:39:20,286
- '1305 Celono.'
- 1305 Celono?
663
00:39:20,287 --> 00:39:23,248
- 'Turn over to the left.'
- Hallelujah!
- 'There you go.
664
00:39:23,249 --> 00:39:26,209
'She's had a hysterectomy,
she can't take hormones.
665
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:28,169
'He's got kidney and eye problems.'
666
00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:29,838
You want God to touch your kidneys?
667
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,841
Now, let that ear open! In the
name the Lord - right now, Jesus!
668
00:39:32,842 --> 00:39:36,553
Power of the Holy Ghost! Here it comes...
Devil, back off!
669
00:39:36,554 --> 00:39:39,014
And the bondage is broken! Whoo!
670
00:39:39,015 --> 00:39:43,393
In the name of Jesus! You foul spirit!
671
00:39:43,394 --> 00:39:46,647
I thought, well, I'm getting out of
here now. So I packed everything up,
672
00:39:46,648 --> 00:39:49,358
I turned the equipment
off, took my bags and
673
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:51,819
walked down the stairs,
outside to the cool air.
674
00:39:51,820 --> 00:39:55,030
My heart's pounding now,
because I've got the goods.
675
00:39:55,031 --> 00:39:57,700
Not only did we have the
evidence we needed,
676
00:39:57,701 --> 00:39:59,702
we had more than what we needed.
677
00:39:59,703 --> 00:40:00,953
We had it.
678
00:40:00,954 --> 00:40:04,123
APPLAUSE
679
00:40:04,124 --> 00:40:05,750
So I went on the Johnny Carson show
680
00:40:05,751 --> 00:40:09,337
and when the revelation came and
you heard Mrs Popoff's voice...
681
00:40:09,338 --> 00:40:13,508
'Hello, Petey, can you hear me? If
you can't, you're in trouble...'
682
00:40:13,509 --> 00:40:17,429
...Johnny suddenly realised what
the gimmick was and he said,
683
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:18,763
"Oh, sh..."
684
00:40:18,764 --> 00:40:21,808
It turns out that God's frequency
- I didn't know he used radio -
685
00:40:21,809 --> 00:40:26,229
is 39.170 megahertz, and God
is a woman, obviously, and
686
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:29,024
sounds exactly like
Popoff's wife, Elizabeth.
687
00:40:29,025 --> 00:40:30,275
Has he seen this tape at all?
688
00:40:30,276 --> 00:40:33,445
- No, he does not know about this until this very moment.
- Interesting.
689
00:40:33,446 --> 00:40:36,865
I can't imagine what it would be
like to maintain a life where your
690
00:40:36,866 --> 00:40:40,703
living and your wellbeing of you
and your family depends upon you
691
00:40:40,704 --> 00:40:42,538
lying every single day.
692
00:40:42,539 --> 00:40:46,083
I think they believe there is some
way in which what they are doing
693
00:40:46,084 --> 00:40:50,213
is good and that there's some moral
compass that they've invented
694
00:40:50,214 --> 00:40:52,173
that allows them to do this.
695
00:40:52,174 --> 00:40:55,343
A double portion of God's power!
696
00:40:55,344 --> 00:40:59,097
Well, we did it. We had exposed
this man on probably the
697
00:40:59,098 --> 00:41:02,225
most popular television show of the day.
698
00:41:02,226 --> 00:41:05,020
And he announced bankruptcy
shortly after that.
699
00:41:05,021 --> 00:41:06,646
Oh, glory to God!
700
00:41:06,647 --> 00:41:08,189
CARSON: OK, we'll take a break,
701
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:09,609
we'll be right back.
702
00:41:24,874 --> 00:41:27,668
Oh, OK, I'll see what I can do, all right,
703
00:41:27,669 --> 00:41:30,630
here we go. Wait, I'll do
a Jackie Gleason here.
704
00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:36,385
Yeah, I don't know, hmm.
705
00:41:36,386 --> 00:41:38,639
I'll do a plie at the bar, OK?
706
00:41:39,807 --> 00:41:43,393
Oh, no, I don't bend that way any more!
707
00:41:43,394 --> 00:41:45,812
It has been said many times
when you're in love,
708
00:41:45,813 --> 00:41:47,313
you want to tell the world.
709
00:41:47,314 --> 00:41:49,315
Maybe it will work, I don't know.
710
00:41:49,316 --> 00:41:51,902
And James Randi is in love with the truth.
711
00:41:57,158 --> 00:42:02,871
The so-called psychics and the other
charlatans are making money at our
712
00:42:02,872 --> 00:42:06,375
expense and we have to bear
some of the blame for it,
713
00:42:06,376 --> 00:42:09,586
so let's get to work and
do something about it.
714
00:42:09,587 --> 00:42:11,880
I'll take two eight-by-tens.
715
00:42:11,881 --> 00:42:15,467
The man that puts the fear of
God into all those psychics,
716
00:42:15,468 --> 00:42:17,846
The Amazing Randi!
717
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:24,518
James Randi isn't just about being
sceptical of the paranormal.
718
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,106
He is about promoting a
scientific worldview.
719
00:42:28,107 --> 00:42:32,735
Science has created and shaped much
of the world in which we live.
720
00:42:32,736 --> 00:42:37,783
But constant vigilance
can never be relaxed.
721
00:42:40,786 --> 00:42:43,580
You want people to be educated,
you want to go out and
722
00:42:43,581 --> 00:42:46,666
shake these people and say,
"Listen to me, listen to me."
723
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:51,004
The Million-Dollar Challenge
is real, ladies and gentlemen.
724
00:42:51,005 --> 00:42:55,551
Why is there not a line-up outside
this organisation right now
725
00:42:55,552 --> 00:43:00,014
on the street? Why isn't Uri Geller here?
726
00:43:00,015 --> 00:43:02,600
Really pull, come on, make it tight.
727
00:43:02,601 --> 00:43:05,102
OK, I need... I need this chair.
728
00:43:05,103 --> 00:43:07,355
Sir, would you take the
chair and pull it up front?
729
00:43:14,488 --> 00:43:17,157
- I got an old one!
- First edition. Yes!
730
00:43:18,659 --> 00:43:20,451
The amount that he travels
731
00:43:20,452 --> 00:43:23,580
and the amount of people
that he engages with,
732
00:43:23,581 --> 00:43:28,084
he has genuinely changed thousands
and thousands of people's lives
733
00:43:28,085 --> 00:43:29,629
by opening their eyes.
734
00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:40,472
I've got to bring my camera down
here and get some shots of it, too.
735
00:43:40,473 --> 00:43:42,600
Just to make Jose crazy.
736
00:43:44,018 --> 00:43:46,687
Is he on your mind?
737
00:43:46,688 --> 00:43:48,522
Always!
738
00:43:48,523 --> 00:43:49,941
Every minute.
739
00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:53,945
Every minute, because he's not here.
740
00:44:09,795 --> 00:44:13,381
Sometimes I think... what
an odd couple we make.
741
00:44:13,382 --> 00:44:18,011
He's very rational and very much driven
742
00:44:18,012 --> 00:44:21,890
by the sceptic thinking and all of that.
743
00:44:21,891 --> 00:44:27,062
And sometimes I feel I'm a little
bit or a lot of the opposite.
744
00:44:27,063 --> 00:44:30,525
And somehow we have managed
to build a life together.
745
00:44:32,026 --> 00:44:35,405
And I like it. I like the fact
that we are completely opposites.
746
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:52,505
Randi's always been supportive
of my career and my persona.
747
00:44:52,506 --> 00:44:55,801
All the way through. From the
moment we met up to now.
748
00:44:58,220 --> 00:44:59,680
It's just an amazing...
749
00:45:01,849 --> 00:45:04,935
No pun intended... life,
750
00:45:04,936 --> 00:45:06,729
being with him.
751
00:45:08,856 --> 00:45:11,067
I cannot imagine my life without him.
752
00:45:18,491 --> 00:45:22,953
OK, so just let me know as
soon as you leave the airport.
753
00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:25,247
OK, bye.
754
00:45:25,248 --> 00:45:28,293
He said they are waiting for luggage.
755
00:45:31,421 --> 00:45:32,798
So...
756
00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:38,429
People find it funny
that I call him Amazing!
757
00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:41,974
But I like to call him Amazing.
758
00:45:50,858 --> 00:45:53,319
I'm a bit tired, you know that?
759
00:45:55,988 --> 00:45:59,074
Oh, it's so good to be back.
760
00:45:59,075 --> 00:46:02,744
So good to have you back, Amazing.
761
00:46:02,745 --> 00:46:05,330
Good to be here after all that travel.
762
00:46:05,331 --> 00:46:09,251
- So good to have you back, Amazing.
- Now I gotta show you something.
- Yes.
763
00:46:09,252 --> 00:46:11,545
As you can see, I got a new cane.
764
00:46:11,546 --> 00:46:14,173
Yes, oh!
765
00:46:14,174 --> 00:46:17,134
Yes, and you've got to get the
full effect of it now. You ready?
766
00:46:17,135 --> 00:46:19,720
OK, let me see. That's
pretty awesome, Amazing.
767
00:46:19,721 --> 00:46:23,099
This was given to me by CICAP and Massimo.
768
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:24,976
Oh, oh, nice.
769
00:46:24,977 --> 00:46:26,936
Oh, I remember this place.
770
00:46:26,937 --> 00:46:28,939
Yeah, we used to live here.
771
00:46:30,816 --> 00:46:34,736
- We are cute, aren't we?
- Yup, we are.
772
00:46:34,737 --> 00:46:38,157
- It's a good picture.
- I love that picture.
773
00:46:40,618 --> 00:46:45,747
This is the guy that left his
home at 17 to join a circus
774
00:46:45,748 --> 00:46:50,919
and go through all the crazy stories
775
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,839
that he has lived.
776
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,011
- Ooh, the inside of this one is icky.
- Well, then take it out.
- No, no.
777
00:46:59,012 --> 00:47:03,474
- There's lots that can be saved here.
- No, no, no, no.
- Yes.
778
00:47:03,475 --> 00:47:06,895
- I'll take it out later, then.
- You probably will.
779
00:47:08,355 --> 00:47:10,106
'It's quite an amazing ride
780
00:47:10,107 --> 00:47:15,320
'and I just feel very privileged
to have been part of it.'
781
00:47:27,291 --> 00:47:30,169
Once more, let me hold it here gently.
782
00:47:34,882 --> 00:47:37,009
I'm not even touching it and it's...
783
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:39,345
Look, you see, it's plastic.
784
00:47:41,181 --> 00:47:45,434
When Geller was on the Tonight
Show and Randi had helped Johnny
785
00:47:45,435 --> 00:47:48,646
set it up such that he would not
be able to perform his tricks,
786
00:47:48,647 --> 00:47:51,649
it sure looked like that was
the end of Geller's career.
787
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:55,236
Over, done, three strikes
and you're out - gone! No!
788
00:47:55,237 --> 00:47:57,363
Two days later, he's on
the Merv Griffin Show.
789
00:47:57,364 --> 00:47:59,574
And all I'm saying is "bend".
790
00:47:59,575 --> 00:48:02,201
Bend, bend.
791
00:48:02,202 --> 00:48:04,287
OK, look, can you see it?
792
00:48:04,288 --> 00:48:07,790
- I mean, it's bent, you know.
- That is a very bent key.
793
00:48:07,791 --> 00:48:12,379
Now what happens, it's an energy
that leaves my mind, nothing to do
794
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:17,050
with my finger, penetrates the metal
and alters the molecular structure.
795
00:48:17,051 --> 00:48:21,638
Now, instead of bend, I say to
the broken watches, "Work!"
796
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:25,350
- AUDIENCE:
- One, two, three. Work! Work!
797
00:48:25,351 --> 00:48:29,354
- Just a second. It's working!
- Oh, my goodness, it's working.
798
00:48:29,355 --> 00:48:32,775
Your mother's watch is working.
Is that like a miracle?
799
00:48:32,776 --> 00:48:35,319
They all started, they're working!
800
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,905
The "I Am Not A Crook" watch.
801
00:48:37,906 --> 00:48:40,074
First of all, I was born with this.
802
00:48:40,075 --> 00:48:42,284
When I was four years
old I was eating soup -
803
00:48:42,285 --> 00:48:43,911
and that's four years old -
804
00:48:43,912 --> 00:48:46,205
and suddenly the spoon
started bending in my hands!
805
00:48:46,206 --> 00:48:50,126
Now, Geller probably became
the first superstar psychic
806
00:48:50,127 --> 00:48:54,547
to be apparently accepted by
science and by scientists.
807
00:48:54,548 --> 00:48:58,468
Uri has subjected himself or has
been subjected to some scientific
808
00:48:58,469 --> 00:49:02,847
study, what they call cheat-proof,
under rigid controlled conditions.
809
00:49:02,848 --> 00:49:05,851
I want to tell you this,
that this is not a trick.
810
00:49:05,852 --> 00:49:10,063
These are scientists who are
putting their whole life at stake
811
00:49:10,064 --> 00:49:12,983
in validating these powers.
812
00:49:12,984 --> 00:49:15,652
Randi was very upset by Geller's
813
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:18,989
using trickery to deceive scientists.
814
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:21,825
He thought that that was very immoral
815
00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:26,664
and he felt that this was a
prostitution of his beloved magic.
816
00:49:26,665 --> 00:49:28,958
Randi, you've been going
around the country,
817
00:49:28,959 --> 00:49:32,378
somewhat as Houdini used to in
the past, trying to debunk those
818
00:49:32,379 --> 00:49:34,422
who say that it's psychic power.
819
00:49:34,423 --> 00:49:38,843
You say it's magic. This is my house key.
Uri Geller took it.
820
00:49:38,844 --> 00:49:42,263
He went like this with it, with his
finger, that's all, no pressure,
821
00:49:42,264 --> 00:49:45,099
and the key bent, you can see that,
822
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:48,019
and I've carried it around because
I found that I'm a believer now.
823
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:52,065
Here is my identical key.
Touch it and make it bend.
824
00:49:52,066 --> 00:49:54,943
Would you hold the end of it very
lightly in between your fingers,
825
00:49:54,944 --> 00:49:56,778
Barbara, and I'm just going to stroke it.
826
00:49:56,779 --> 00:50:00,115
- Now, I'm not putting enough pressure
on it to bend it? - No. - OK.
827
00:50:00,116 --> 00:50:02,451
Will you show it to the camera, please?
828
00:50:02,452 --> 00:50:05,621
Now, is it bent as much as this key or not?
829
00:50:05,622 --> 00:50:08,040
Are you going to keep
this key too, Barbara?
830
00:50:08,041 --> 00:50:09,541
APPLAUSE
831
00:50:09,542 --> 00:50:12,044
In one way I almost followed
Geller around the country
832
00:50:12,045 --> 00:50:14,463
because if he appeared on some major show,
833
00:50:14,464 --> 00:50:18,342
I simply went on the show
and did his same routine.
834
00:50:18,343 --> 00:50:20,761
Now, when Mr Geller does
this, he says, "Bend".
835
00:50:20,762 --> 00:50:22,555
I don't say that, I say, "Broccoli,"
836
00:50:22,556 --> 00:50:25,433
because it's a simple conjuring
trick that used to be on the back
837
00:50:25,434 --> 00:50:27,852
of the Cornflake boxes when I was a kid.
838
00:50:27,853 --> 00:50:31,105
Heavens to Betsy, look at that.
Would you say that key is bent?
839
00:50:31,106 --> 00:50:33,024
I decided to write a book about him.
840
00:50:33,025 --> 00:50:35,485
I wrote a book, The Truth About Uri Geller,
841
00:50:35,486 --> 00:50:40,031
that hit the market when the
interest in Geller was at its peak.
842
00:50:40,032 --> 00:50:43,952
The psychokinetic energy melts the
molecular structure of the metal.
843
00:50:43,953 --> 00:50:45,830
It seems to be... Oh, my!
844
00:50:47,957 --> 00:50:51,043
- I want it to bend, I just say "bend".
- Oh, my God!
845
00:50:51,044 --> 00:50:53,004
SHE SCREAMS
846
00:50:54,089 --> 00:50:56,382
THEY SCREAM
847
00:50:56,383 --> 00:50:59,051
Randi and Geller just went back
and forth like gladiators.
848
00:50:59,052 --> 00:51:01,595
- It was fun to watch.
- Can you do the spoon-bending trick?
849
00:51:01,596 --> 00:51:03,849
Does Dolly Parton sleep on her back?
850
00:51:06,059 --> 00:51:07,894
There's no heat at all. Touch it.
851
00:51:07,895 --> 00:51:10,271
They wrote that I have laser
beams in my buckle belt
852
00:51:10,272 --> 00:51:12,148
and with that, I bend keys.
853
00:51:12,149 --> 00:51:15,360
Look at this. You can actually see
it bending over and turning liquid,
854
00:51:15,361 --> 00:51:16,903
right in front of your eyes.
855
00:51:16,904 --> 00:51:19,614
These things used to be on the
back of Cornflake boxes, Larry,
856
00:51:19,615 --> 00:51:22,450
but apparently some scientists
either don't eat Cornflakes or
857
00:51:22,451 --> 00:51:24,285
they don't read the back of the box.
858
00:51:24,286 --> 00:51:28,958
This is my trademark and you will
NOT find it on any cereal box.
859
00:51:30,209 --> 00:51:32,878
- How did you do that?
- Very well, I thought.
860
00:51:32,879 --> 00:51:34,171
It's sleight of hand.
861
00:51:34,172 --> 00:51:36,715
To explain the tricks to you
would give you one solution,
862
00:51:36,716 --> 00:51:38,842
but it wouldn't give you
all of the solutions.
863
00:51:38,843 --> 00:51:41,762
'In many cases, if not most
cases, I simply went on the show
864
00:51:41,763 --> 00:51:43,431
'and did his same routine.'
865
00:51:45,725 --> 00:51:48,394
But then I would get the
MC sometimes saying,
866
00:51:48,395 --> 00:51:51,147
"Oh, yes, well, it's all very
well for magicians to do this,
867
00:51:51,148 --> 00:51:53,607
"but Mr Geller doesn't use magic tricks."
868
00:51:53,608 --> 00:51:56,027
But what about the people who
DO come up with the cards?
869
00:51:56,028 --> 00:51:58,237
Do you hear about the times
they don't come up with them?
870
00:51:58,238 --> 00:52:01,074
Do you know that Uri Geller did
100 tests with sealed envelopes?
871
00:52:01,075 --> 00:52:02,283
You think it's all fake?
872
00:52:02,284 --> 00:52:05,161
What is the difference between what
I did and what Uri Geller did?
873
00:52:05,162 --> 00:52:07,289
Is, uh... because, uh...
874
00:52:09,041 --> 00:52:13,086
Well, I guess I really don't have a...
a... a real answer.
875
00:52:13,087 --> 00:52:17,299
Because magicians can duplicate
some of these things with trickery
876
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:21,553
does not mean that genuine
psychics do it with trickery.
877
00:52:21,554 --> 00:52:24,640
Anyone can imitate the Mona Lisa,
878
00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:27,142
but that does not make
them Leonardo da Vinci.
879
00:52:27,143 --> 00:52:29,104
You people remember that.
880
00:52:33,233 --> 00:52:36,944
Magicians say, "No, nonsense,
I duped the scientists."
881
00:52:36,945 --> 00:52:40,656
They say I fooled them.
They always find loopholes.
882
00:52:40,657 --> 00:52:42,074
I challenge them and tell them,
883
00:52:42,075 --> 00:52:44,702
"Look, why don't you go
and do it in a laboratory
884
00:52:44,703 --> 00:52:46,497
"the way I was tested?"
885
00:52:50,793 --> 00:52:54,128
My opinion has always been
that parapsychologists,
886
00:52:54,129 --> 00:52:56,548
no matter how well funded,
887
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:59,092
would not be able to properly judge
888
00:52:59,093 --> 00:53:03,180
where someone has set out to
purposefully deceive them.
889
00:53:03,181 --> 00:53:07,559
And I had come to the conclusion
that the only way to show them
890
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:13,106
would be to perpetrate an outright
hoax by introducing some tricksters
891
00:53:13,107 --> 00:53:16,777
into the laboratory that
I knew I could trust.
892
00:53:16,778 --> 00:53:22,116
I read Randi's book, The Truth About
Uri Geller, and from that book
893
00:53:22,117 --> 00:53:25,578
I was able to put methods together
for bending objects myself,
894
00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:28,789
and I created many of my own methods,
to the point where kids in high
895
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:31,584
school were stealing silverware
and bringing it to me to bend.
896
00:53:31,585 --> 00:53:33,544
And I got so good at it
that I'm not sure why,
897
00:53:33,545 --> 00:53:36,381
but I wrote Randi a letter and I
said, "Look, if you ever need a kid
898
00:53:36,382 --> 00:53:38,841
"to try and fool scientists,
I'd be happy to do so."
899
00:53:38,842 --> 00:53:42,887
After I read The Magic Of Uri
Geller and got to be pretty
900
00:53:42,888 --> 00:53:47,392
proficient as a "psychic
metal bender" myself,
901
00:53:47,393 --> 00:53:50,812
I took it upon myself to
reach out to James Randi.
902
00:53:50,813 --> 00:53:52,939
Oh, Michael, you must be a psychic!
903
00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:56,777
I'm causing that to twist 180
degrees, just like that.
904
00:53:56,778 --> 00:54:00,447
Very shortly after, a very
substantial amount of money
905
00:54:00,448 --> 00:54:03,867
had been offered to a university
906
00:54:03,868 --> 00:54:07,121
to do parapsychological tests.
907
00:54:07,122 --> 00:54:11,000
MacLab was funded by James
McDonnell and he said,
908
00:54:11,001 --> 00:54:14,420
"Go out and find me some star subjects."
909
00:54:14,421 --> 00:54:17,715
And that job fell to a scientist
called Peter Phillips.
910
00:54:17,716 --> 00:54:21,052
We were told that there were 300 applicants
911
00:54:21,053 --> 00:54:25,515
and the MacLab ended up
focusing on only two subjects.
912
00:54:25,516 --> 00:54:28,393
Myself and Steve Shaw.
913
00:54:28,394 --> 00:54:32,940
At that point, Project Alpha
was ready to take off.
914
00:54:36,569 --> 00:54:40,030
I fly into Saint Louis and we didn't
know what we were getting into.
915
00:54:40,031 --> 00:54:42,532
We didn't know if they were
going to have one-way mirrors
916
00:54:42,533 --> 00:54:44,242
with cameras hidden behind them.
917
00:54:44,243 --> 00:54:47,037
We had absolutely no clue what
it was we were getting into.
918
00:54:47,038 --> 00:54:51,375
I was 17 years old. It was my first
semester as a senior in high school.
919
00:54:51,376 --> 00:54:55,879
I'm about to pull some basic magic
on some people that should be
920
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,592
very well skilled and could very
likely see through this quickly.
921
00:54:59,593 --> 00:55:03,804
I might have stepped in a little
bit over my head at that time.
922
00:55:03,805 --> 00:55:07,600
I'm Peter Phillips and here
with me is Mark Shafer.
923
00:55:07,601 --> 00:55:10,603
The tape that you're about
to see consists of a series
924
00:55:10,604 --> 00:55:13,398
of episodes suggestive of psychokinesis.
925
00:55:13,399 --> 00:55:17,026
The subjects in these experiments
are two men of about 21 -
926
00:55:17,027 --> 00:55:19,279
M.E. and S.S.
927
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,533
They presented themselves to us
originally as psychic metal-benders.
928
00:55:23,534 --> 00:55:27,454
I wrote to Professor Phillips
in order to advise him
929
00:55:27,455 --> 00:55:31,208
on how he should observe the Alpha kids.
930
00:55:31,209 --> 00:55:34,795
As a matter of fact, I sent
him a list of 11 rules
931
00:55:34,796 --> 00:55:36,713
in order to keep control of an experiment.
932
00:55:36,714 --> 00:55:40,509
'Don't allow the subjects to alter
the rules established for the tests.
933
00:55:40,510 --> 00:55:43,762
'Don't accept excuses like,
"the vibrations aren't right"
934
00:55:43,763 --> 00:55:45,931
'or "I don't feel right."
935
00:55:45,932 --> 00:55:47,266
'And above all...'
936
00:55:47,267 --> 00:55:48,893
...you need a professional magician
937
00:55:48,894 --> 00:55:52,229
to keep you straightened out
at what might be trickery.
938
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:55,066
It was very quickly, though,
that Steve and I tried to,
939
00:55:55,067 --> 00:55:58,986
almost line by line, get them to
violate every one of those caveats
940
00:55:58,987 --> 00:56:00,613
in one way, shape or form.
941
00:56:00,614 --> 00:56:03,616
Mike, sitting to your right
and dressed in white has just
942
00:56:03,617 --> 00:56:06,619
picked up a spoon that he
will attempt to influence.
943
00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:12,959
One of Randi's caveats was to mark
every item with an indelible mark
944
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,170
or a scratch that couldn't be replicated.
945
00:56:15,171 --> 00:56:17,005
Something that was permanent
946
00:56:17,006 --> 00:56:21,051
and it was something that we
couldn't duplicate on the spot.
947
00:56:21,052 --> 00:56:23,887
The parapsychologists, in
their infinite wisdom,
948
00:56:23,888 --> 00:56:28,684
decided that they would simply
use paper tags with string.
949
00:56:28,685 --> 00:56:31,980
- 'Can I get this tag off here?
- Sure, sure, slide it off.'
950
00:56:33,523 --> 00:56:36,984
We took these paper hanging tags
off of the spoons to make them
951
00:56:36,985 --> 00:56:38,778
easier to work with.
952
00:56:38,779 --> 00:56:41,906
As everybody was focusing on one
spoon it was a simple matter
953
00:56:41,907 --> 00:56:46,911
to lean on the control spoon, and
later, switch those two tags
954
00:56:46,912 --> 00:56:49,539
so the control spoon looked
like the experimental spoon.
955
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:51,749
Yeah, it's markedly different.
Of course it is!
956
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:53,334
It just went down instead of up.
957
00:56:53,335 --> 00:56:57,256
It didn't feel like anything
at all, but there it is.
958
00:56:58,716 --> 00:57:02,260
We truly believed that if scientists
went in with a pro-biased opinion,
959
00:57:02,261 --> 00:57:05,013
and the majority of parapsychologists
were doing just that,
960
00:57:05,014 --> 00:57:06,765
they would not use proper science.
961
00:57:06,766 --> 00:57:12,646
And if we could replicate what
Geller and SRI had done, in essence,
962
00:57:12,647 --> 00:57:17,651
in terms of established scientific
protocol on testing a psychic,
963
00:57:17,652 --> 00:57:19,987
we could undermine Geller's claims
964
00:57:19,988 --> 00:57:23,115
of being deemed legitimate by scientists.
965
00:57:23,116 --> 00:57:27,620
We have been working first of all,
to establish the range of abilities
966
00:57:27,621 --> 00:57:31,332
that Mike and Steve have because
these have apparently included being
967
00:57:31,333 --> 00:57:35,128
able to move small solid objects
across a table top, influencing
968
00:57:35,129 --> 00:57:40,300
a variety of metal objects such as
keys and metal bars and metal rods.
969
00:57:40,301 --> 00:57:42,802
Sometimes touching and
sometimes at a distance,
970
00:57:42,803 --> 00:57:45,972
and also influencing photographic film.
971
00:57:45,973 --> 00:57:49,643
We were trying to get the
parapsychologists to
972
00:57:49,644 --> 00:57:51,144
break their own rules.
973
00:57:51,145 --> 00:57:57,192
We were then informing Randi of the
ways that we were beating the tests.
974
00:57:57,193 --> 00:58:02,030
Randi in turn was then communicating
it back to the MacLab how to
975
00:58:02,031 --> 00:58:07,494
safeguard their tests so that we
couldn't beat them any longer.
976
00:58:07,495 --> 00:58:09,830
Needless to say, it got very complicated
977
00:58:09,831 --> 00:58:12,625
as we were forced to become
more and more resourceful.
978
00:58:12,626 --> 00:58:16,504
'Another device designed to
illicit PK in a visible manner
979
00:58:16,505 --> 00:58:20,633
'was a lightweight rotor that was
mounted atop a thin metal spindle
980
00:58:20,634 --> 00:58:22,593
'under a glass dome.'
981
00:58:22,594 --> 00:58:27,348
One of the tests was a spindle
with a small rotor on top that had
982
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:30,977
a glass dome that fit over the
top of this to protect it.
983
00:58:30,978 --> 00:58:35,148
Our jobs were to try to move that rotor
984
00:58:35,149 --> 00:58:38,193
without obviously removing the glass dome.
985
00:58:38,194 --> 00:58:40,821
I thought that was a pretty good test.
986
00:58:40,822 --> 00:58:43,490
It's connected to the base real well.
987
00:58:43,491 --> 00:58:47,327
I really was stumped. Then I look
over to the side of the room
988
00:58:47,328 --> 00:58:51,957
and Steve was concentrating on the
rotor and the rotor starts to move.
989
00:58:51,958 --> 00:58:55,502
Here you see Steve influencing the rotor.
990
00:58:55,503 --> 00:58:59,215
He's causing it to rotate clockwise.
991
00:58:59,216 --> 00:59:01,884
And they said, "Well, to make
sure there is no air currents or
992
00:59:01,885 --> 00:59:04,428
"anything like that, can you
make it move to the right?"
993
00:59:04,429 --> 00:59:07,098
So I start concentrating and
slowly it starts reversing
994
00:59:07,099 --> 00:59:08,933
and it goes to the right.
995
00:59:08,934 --> 00:59:12,520
I had no idea how he was
getting this to work.
996
00:59:12,521 --> 00:59:16,483
And if you look carefully, the
rotor is moving counter-clockwise.
997
00:59:16,484 --> 00:59:18,193
So Mike turns to me and he says,
998
00:59:18,194 --> 00:59:20,570
"Hey, would you like to go
get a drink at the machine?"
999
00:59:20,571 --> 00:59:23,114
I know he wants to know
how I just did this.
1000
00:59:23,115 --> 00:59:24,407
So I go with him down there,
1001
00:59:24,408 --> 00:59:27,160
and he says, "Steve, how the
heck did you just do that?"
1002
00:59:27,161 --> 00:59:30,455
And I said, "Mike, after all these
hours of sitting in that room
1003
00:59:30,456 --> 00:59:33,834
"and concentrating, I just found
out that I'm really a psychic!"
1004
00:59:33,835 --> 00:59:36,670
I think I promptly threw him up
against the wall at that point
1005
00:59:36,671 --> 00:59:41,592
and wanted to know, and it turned
out it was a very simple deception.
1006
00:59:41,593 --> 00:59:45,095
Shortly after that hallway
conversation, both of us
1007
00:59:45,096 --> 00:59:48,808
could magically make the rotor move
any direction that we wanted to,
1008
00:59:48,809 --> 00:59:52,061
and the MacLab personnel never caught on.
1009
00:59:52,062 --> 00:59:54,063
I don't believe they're tricking us,
1010
00:59:54,064 --> 00:59:57,191
especially based on the research
that we've done in the last year,
1011
00:59:57,192 --> 01:00:00,862
where we have exerted as
tight a control condition
1012
01:00:00,863 --> 01:00:04,282
as we could think of, even in
consultation with magicians,
1013
01:00:04,283 --> 01:00:07,035
to see if the influence holds up.
1014
01:00:07,036 --> 01:00:09,663
And we have found evidence that it does,
1015
01:00:09,664 --> 01:00:12,541
not as strongly under these
controlled conditions.
1016
01:00:12,542 --> 01:00:17,254
It's as if somehow, the extra
controls seem to inhibit it,
1017
01:00:17,255 --> 01:00:19,548
but still an effect persists.
1018
01:00:19,549 --> 01:00:21,174
Over the course of Alpha,
1019
01:00:21,175 --> 01:00:23,761
the controls did get significantly tougher
1020
01:00:23,762 --> 01:00:26,764
and the tighter the controls
got, the lower the results got,
1021
01:00:26,765 --> 01:00:29,850
but their faith in us never diminished.
1022
01:00:29,851 --> 01:00:32,645
We do not claim that this tape
provides incontrovertible
1023
01:00:32,646 --> 01:00:34,605
evidence of PK.
1024
01:00:34,606 --> 01:00:37,566
We regard it rather as a provisional tape,
1025
01:00:37,567 --> 01:00:41,404
imperfect, but still with much to offer.
1026
01:00:41,405 --> 01:00:43,531
It was over a four-year period,
1027
01:00:43,532 --> 01:00:46,867
it was about 180 hours total,
that we were at the MacLab.
1028
01:00:46,868 --> 01:00:49,287
And after all those years,
convincing people that I was
1029
01:00:49,288 --> 01:00:53,958
a genuine psychic, I had a huge doubt
about what we were doing
1030
01:00:53,959 --> 01:00:56,544
and how it was going to
affect these people.
1031
01:00:56,545 --> 01:00:59,507
And it came about when there was
a BBC producer,
1032
01:00:59,508 --> 01:01:01,674
a guy by the name of Tony Edwards,
1033
01:01:01,675 --> 01:01:05,678
who said he wanted to capture
our abilities on tape.
1034
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:09,766
We had taken him from a point
where he was an utter sceptic
1035
01:01:09,767 --> 01:01:13,060
We had then gotten him,
by getting to know him
1036
01:01:13,061 --> 01:01:17,024
and demonstrating our abilities
off camera, to become a believer.
1037
01:01:17,025 --> 01:01:21,237
Randi gave him the same 11 caveats
that he had given the MacLab.
1038
01:01:21,238 --> 01:01:23,781
The difference was Tony took a look
at those and said:
1039
01:01:23,782 --> 01:01:26,660
"OK, I'm going to follow these,
because if I want to convince Randi,"
1040
01:01:26,661 --> 01:01:30,245
"Because if I can convince Randi,
I can convince the rest of the world."
1041
01:01:30,246 --> 01:01:34,374
We were all trying to
record that elusive bend.
1042
01:01:34,375 --> 01:01:37,420
As witnesses, a conjurer,
two metallurgists,
1043
01:01:37,421 --> 01:01:40,798
and three simultaneously
recording TV cameras,
1044
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:44,219
conditions the benders
were happy to accept.
1045
01:01:46,429 --> 01:01:49,182
After six hours recording, nothing.
1046
01:01:49,183 --> 01:01:51,684
Damn it!
1047
01:01:51,685 --> 01:01:55,647
We sat there all day with Tony.
Nothing happened.
1048
01:01:55,648 --> 01:01:58,316
Absolutely nothing happened during the day.
1049
01:01:58,317 --> 01:02:00,610
The moment the cameras went off
at the end of the day,
1050
01:02:00,611 --> 01:02:04,656
we bent everything in the laboratory,
absolutely everything.
1051
01:02:04,657 --> 01:02:10,829
It's almost as if he had the Holy Grail
in his fingertips,
1052
01:02:10,830 --> 01:02:12,372
and he let it drop.
1053
01:02:12,373 --> 01:02:16,502
Tony Edwards lost it.
Started screaming, started crying,
1054
01:02:16,503 --> 01:02:19,337
ranting, raving, "Randi's the devil!"
1055
01:02:19,338 --> 01:02:21,882
"It's Randi's fault that
I couldn't get this on this tape!"
1056
01:02:21,883 --> 01:02:23,718
"I shouldn't have listened to Randi."
1057
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:26,429
"I shouldn't have followed Randi's advice.
It's his fault!"
1058
01:02:26,430 --> 01:02:29,098
The man had a mental breakdown.
1059
01:02:29,099 --> 01:02:32,226
It was scary. For two young kids to realise
1060
01:02:32,227 --> 01:02:34,000
that we had hurt somebody like that.
1061
01:02:34,001 --> 01:02:36,898
It was at that point I
think Steve and I realised
1062
01:02:36,899 --> 01:02:38,316
we can't do this any more.
1063
01:02:38,317 --> 01:02:43,364
We can't be responsible for this
kind of psychological damage
1064
01:02:43,365 --> 01:02:46,076
by our ability to trick somebody.
1065
01:02:46,077 --> 01:02:48,244
Randi said, "It's just
a couple more months.
1066
01:02:48,245 --> 01:02:50,122
"We have this TV show coming up,
1067
01:02:50,123 --> 01:02:53,669
"and that's when we want to tell
the world that you're not real."
1068
01:02:55,171 --> 01:02:57,423
Randi, he's really the general.
1069
01:02:57,424 --> 01:03:00,302
You know, the general's rarely
on the front lines anyway.
1070
01:03:00,303 --> 01:03:03,013
And sometimes he's sending
1071
01:03:03,014 --> 01:03:06,392
his minions to do his good works.
1072
01:03:06,393 --> 01:03:11,064
But always at a distance, he's
the one at the strategy table.
1073
01:03:11,065 --> 01:03:15,736
He's got the vision for what will come.
1074
01:03:15,737 --> 01:03:18,866
The big day comes, the one that
Mike and I have been waiting for.
1075
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,368
We're going to reveal that
everything is a hoax.
1076
01:03:21,369 --> 01:03:25,499
I'm going to ask these two
gentlemen a very simple question.
1077
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:28,377
Can you tell us, how do you do it?
1078
01:03:28,378 --> 01:03:32,048
As I walked up to the microphone
I said, "It's very simple..."
1079
01:03:32,049 --> 01:03:35,845
Well, to be quite honest, we cheat.
1080
01:03:35,846 --> 01:03:39,182
Flash bulbs started going off
and the murmurs started up
1081
01:03:39,183 --> 01:03:43,646
inside of the audience, and Steve
and I then at that point admitted
1082
01:03:43,647 --> 01:03:48,235
that Project Alpha and us as
psychics was nothing more
1083
01:03:48,236 --> 01:03:50,737
than a bit of illusion.
1084
01:03:50,738 --> 01:03:54,242
Magician Amazing Randi, you
have him now on the phone.
1085
01:03:54,243 --> 01:03:56,035
Go ahead, you have the last word.
1086
01:03:56,036 --> 01:03:58,998
I was wondering what he thought
about the claims that this was
1087
01:03:58,999 --> 01:04:02,210
sort of an unethical way of
carrying out this experiment
1088
01:04:02,211 --> 01:04:05,089
and whether or not it's going to
affect the scientific community
1089
01:04:05,090 --> 01:04:06,924
and the parapsychologists negatively?
1090
01:04:06,925 --> 01:04:08,300
I'm happy to say that the
1091
01:04:08,301 --> 01:04:11,304
president of the Parapsychological
Association described it
1092
01:04:11,305 --> 01:04:13,849
as a magnificent experiment
that needed to be done
1093
01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:15,183
and from which the results of
1094
01:04:15,184 --> 01:04:18,146
may benefit everybody, and I think
that's what we headed out to do.
1095
01:04:18,147 --> 01:04:20,857
We also should point that that
the director of that programme
1096
01:04:20,858 --> 01:04:23,361
thought it was a very lousy thing to do.
1097
01:04:23,362 --> 01:04:26,864
He was quoted as saying that you
probably set back the study of it
1098
01:04:26,865 --> 01:04:30,494
- and that it...
- If Phillips said that, then my answer to my having
1099
01:04:30,495 --> 01:04:32,997
set back the study of
parapsychology, is no,
1100
01:04:32,998 --> 01:04:34,583
they tried to set it back.
1101
01:04:34,584 --> 01:04:37,210
I brought it into the 20th century.
1102
01:04:37,211 --> 01:04:39,839
'I felt really bad.'
1103
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,759
They truly believed in these things,
and I thought that if they had
1104
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,680
realised that they had been fooled
by somebody, that they would be
1105
01:04:45,681 --> 01:04:48,976
more cautious in the future, but I
felt bad that I had fooled them.
1106
01:04:52,397 --> 01:04:54,940
So you dropped out kind of in the mid-'70s
1107
01:04:54,941 --> 01:04:57,485
and just resurfaced lately,
what have you been doing?
1108
01:04:57,486 --> 01:05:00,614
At that time I wanted to become rich.
1109
01:05:00,615 --> 01:05:03,034
And I met a very important man
1110
01:05:03,035 --> 01:05:06,621
who was a chairman of the largest
mining company in England
1111
01:05:06,622 --> 01:05:09,083
and he showed me how to use my talents,
1112
01:05:09,084 --> 01:05:12,211
my abilities to look for
oil, gold and mineral.
1113
01:05:12,212 --> 01:05:15,549
- And I was very, I am very successful at it.
- You proved it?
1114
01:05:15,550 --> 01:05:18,260
Exactly, but I am still controversial.
1115
01:05:18,261 --> 01:05:21,598
There are a lot of people who
think I am fake and a magician,
1116
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:26,604
but all those people I love because
they do free publicity for me.
1117
01:05:26,605 --> 01:05:28,648
Let's try to do the drawing.
1118
01:05:28,649 --> 01:05:32,111
'Do you know how many times the
sceptics tried to shoot me down?'
1119
01:05:32,112 --> 01:05:37,534
Do you know how many times
Randi tried to ruin my career?
1120
01:05:37,535 --> 01:05:39,703
But they failed miserably.
1121
01:05:39,704 --> 01:05:42,623
Pick up the National
Enquirer or any other paper
1122
01:05:42,624 --> 01:05:45,585
and you'll find a billion psychics.
1123
01:05:45,586 --> 01:05:49,382
Look at movies that Hollywood
produces about UFOs
1124
01:05:49,383 --> 01:05:53,344
and the psychic powers
and paranormal activity.
1125
01:05:53,345 --> 01:05:55,806
Are you kidding me? It's
much bigger than ever.
1126
01:05:55,807 --> 01:05:58,267
You are negative, you are
setting up your own standards
1127
01:05:58,268 --> 01:06:01,605
and what you're not understanding is
that the key to realising any kind of
1128
01:06:01,606 --> 01:06:03,941
psychic phenomenon is
first believing in it,
1129
01:06:03,942 --> 01:06:05,359
not the other way around.
1130
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,989
Once you believe, it will
happen, it will happen.
1131
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:13,036
Even you, sir, the
not-so-amazing-Randi, are psychic,
1132
01:06:13,037 --> 01:06:14,787
whether or not you want to believe.
1133
01:06:14,788 --> 01:06:17,415
There are millions and millions
of people upon this planet
1134
01:06:17,416 --> 01:06:19,627
who have other ways of
intuiting and sensing.
1135
01:06:19,628 --> 01:06:21,837
I have never said these
things have not happened.
1136
01:06:21,838 --> 01:06:24,550
Why don't you read a few
papers and correct yourself?
1137
01:06:24,551 --> 01:06:28,554
People think they believe what
they choose to believe. We don't.
1138
01:06:28,555 --> 01:06:31,558
We mostly believe what we NEED to believe.
1139
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,018
You say that Uri Geller is a fake.
1140
01:06:33,019 --> 01:06:35,688
You came here and you've given
everybody a lot of lip service
1141
01:06:35,689 --> 01:06:37,106
and you haven't done anything.
1142
01:06:37,107 --> 01:06:39,734
We're going for a commercial
break and you can piss off!
1143
01:06:39,735 --> 01:06:41,153
We'll be back...
1144
01:06:42,447 --> 01:06:45,533
The public really doesn't listen
1145
01:06:45,534 --> 01:06:48,955
when they are being told
straightforward facts.
1146
01:06:50,081 --> 01:06:54,794
They would rather accept what some
charismatic character tells them
1147
01:06:54,795 --> 01:06:58,256
than really think about
what the truth might be.
1148
01:06:58,257 --> 01:07:00,468
I tell you from now on
you are going to have
1149
01:07:00,469 --> 01:07:03,096
a song of victory in your heart!
1150
01:07:03,097 --> 01:07:06,517
They would rather have the
romance and the lies.
1151
01:07:06,518 --> 01:07:10,690
There are a billion believers out there.
1152
01:07:12,108 --> 01:07:14,526
A billion people believe in God.
1153
01:07:14,527 --> 01:07:17,697
You can't touch that.
1154
01:07:17,698 --> 01:07:19,616
There she goes!
1155
01:07:19,617 --> 01:07:22,245
This is what Randi is trying to do.
1156
01:07:22,246 --> 01:07:25,081
He's trying to say this is a big hoax
1157
01:07:25,082 --> 01:07:27,166
and so everything else is a hoax too.
1158
01:07:27,167 --> 01:07:30,963
He is trying to say that nothing
divine is being spoken.
1159
01:07:30,964 --> 01:07:35,260
But actually our ratings are up.
1160
01:07:35,261 --> 01:07:40,141
And the thing is, Popoff
got back in the business.
1161
01:07:40,142 --> 01:07:43,395
All he changed was he doesn't
use a radio any more.
1162
01:07:43,396 --> 01:07:45,021
He doesn't need to.
1163
01:07:45,022 --> 01:07:48,568
He just does dumber stuff
that people accept anyway.
1164
01:07:48,569 --> 01:07:53,491
This is water from the pool that the
Lord himself led the Christians to
1165
01:07:53,492 --> 01:07:57,079
during the horrible
Chernobyl nuclear accident.
1166
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:02,376
Tens of thousands died and yet every
Christian was miraculously spared.
1167
01:08:02,377 --> 01:08:04,921
Randi and I once talked about
it and I said, you know,
1168
01:08:04,922 --> 01:08:08,216
maybe were on the wrong end of the
business, we should be on that side.
1169
01:08:08,217 --> 01:08:11,262
I mean, he's making like a
million dollars a month or more
1170
01:08:11,263 --> 01:08:14,140
and I'm not making a
million dollars a month.
1171
01:08:14,141 --> 01:08:17,520
And, if Randi and I got together
we could come up with some really
1172
01:08:17,521 --> 01:08:20,232
nifty tricks that would fool people.
1173
01:08:20,233 --> 01:08:21,693
Con people.
1174
01:08:28,409 --> 01:08:31,703
OK, one, two, three.
1175
01:08:31,704 --> 01:08:36,626
ALL: ♪ Happy birthday, dear Randi
1176
01:08:36,627 --> 01:08:40,714
♪ Happy birthday to you. ♪
1177
01:08:40,715 --> 01:08:42,383
Let her rip, let her rip.
1178
01:08:42,384 --> 01:08:43,969
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1179
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:45,679
Let her rip!
1180
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,556
APPLAUSE
1181
01:08:47,557 --> 01:08:49,434
Happy birthday, Amazing.
1182
01:08:49,435 --> 01:08:50,810
In the early days, I think
1183
01:08:50,811 --> 01:08:54,814
Randi sort of hid his true
relationship with Jose.
1184
01:08:54,815 --> 01:08:58,277
But I don't think Randi hid
it for any bad reason.
1185
01:08:58,278 --> 01:09:00,906
I think it was just a thing that
people would use against him
1186
01:09:00,907 --> 01:09:04,034
and I think it took Randi a long
time to understand that in this day
1187
01:09:04,035 --> 01:09:07,456
and age, you don't have to
hide those things any more.
1188
01:09:07,457 --> 01:09:11,710
♪ Let me tell you my story about
our birthday boy named Randi
1189
01:09:11,711 --> 01:09:14,798
♪ Who met a guy and
thought he was just dandy
1190
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:19,595
♪ Well, the first thing you
know, they form a great team
1191
01:09:19,596 --> 01:09:22,890
♪ And both are living the American Dream. ♪
1192
01:09:22,891 --> 01:09:26,103
I remember when Randi came out.
1193
01:09:26,104 --> 01:09:29,356
It was in 2010, at the age of 81.
1194
01:09:29,357 --> 01:09:32,486
I said, "Are you sure, are you sure?"
1195
01:09:32,487 --> 01:09:37,326
But it was just a gesture of
complete honesty out there.
1196
01:09:40,371 --> 01:09:45,293
And, morally, having built a life
1197
01:09:45,294 --> 01:09:49,590
around the fact of telling truth,
1198
01:09:49,591 --> 01:09:53,721
he needed to come out publicly.
1199
01:09:54,847 --> 01:10:00,103
Thank you so much, thank you so much
for coming to Randi's birthday,
1200
01:10:00,104 --> 01:10:04,608
and for being our friends, for
being supportive of both of us.
1201
01:10:04,609 --> 01:10:07,111
And that's it. That's all I got to say.
1202
01:10:07,112 --> 01:10:10,156
APPLAUSE
1203
01:10:10,157 --> 01:10:14,453
'Before, it was all about
becoming invisible.
1204
01:10:14,454 --> 01:10:18,292
'Now it should be exactly the opposite.'
1205
01:10:25,342 --> 01:10:28,512
I was here in the house
1206
01:10:28,513 --> 01:10:32,976
and I looked out the window and I
saw a uniformed officer outside.
1207
01:10:34,437 --> 01:10:36,689
They were all over the place.
1208
01:10:36,690 --> 01:10:40,736
US Marshals and FBI personnel, as well,
1209
01:10:40,737 --> 01:10:45,742
circling around, trying to
prevent anyone from escaping.
1210
01:10:45,743 --> 01:10:47,744
I was terrified.
1211
01:10:47,745 --> 01:10:50,039
I had no idea why they were there.
1212
01:10:52,501 --> 01:10:54,669
I heard rapid knocking at the door.
1213
01:10:54,670 --> 01:10:59,216
I went to the door and
they pushed their way in
1214
01:10:59,217 --> 01:11:01,803
and said, "Where is Jose Alvarez?"
1215
01:11:03,264 --> 01:11:06,684
And they put handcuffs on him
and marched him out the door.
1216
01:11:08,019 --> 01:11:11,941
I just saw him put in a car
and driven out the driveway.
1217
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,561
What a situation. What a situation.
1218
01:11:44,230 --> 01:11:46,857
It's so...
1219
01:11:46,858 --> 01:11:48,944
very disturbing.
1220
01:11:50,029 --> 01:11:54,491
When the police showed up
and arrested my partner
1221
01:11:54,492 --> 01:11:56,911
and took him away in
handcuffs, I was desperate.
1222
01:11:56,912 --> 01:12:01,041
I just... I was standing
at the edge of the dock
1223
01:12:01,042 --> 01:12:04,795
and there were no ships around and I
was about to fall into the water.
1224
01:12:04,796 --> 01:12:07,508
I didn't know what to do.
1225
01:12:07,509 --> 01:12:10,386
No matter what his name
is, I know who he is,
1226
01:12:10,387 --> 01:12:13,473
and I know what he is as well.
1227
01:12:13,474 --> 01:12:15,434
And he's my partner.
1228
01:12:15,435 --> 01:12:18,229
He's very, very important to me.
1229
01:12:32,455 --> 01:12:38,087
For the last 25 years, everybody
has known me as Jose Alvarez.
1230
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:43,343
But, in reality, my real name
1231
01:12:43,344 --> 01:12:45,971
is Deyvi Orangel Pena Arteaga.
1232
01:12:48,016 --> 01:12:50,726
I was born in Venezuela.
1233
01:12:50,727 --> 01:12:53,020
I was raised in Caracas.
1234
01:12:53,021 --> 01:12:55,524
And in Venezuela, to be gay
1235
01:12:55,525 --> 01:13:01,031
is the most despicable
thing that you can be.
1236
01:13:01,032 --> 01:13:03,909
You knew that everybody
that was your friend,
1237
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:07,163
or your loved one or whatever,
they would turn against you.
1238
01:13:07,164 --> 01:13:09,332
That's for sure.
1239
01:13:09,333 --> 01:13:11,795
I just knew that I should hide it.
1240
01:13:13,630 --> 01:13:17,468
When I was 16 years old I was at a party
1241
01:13:17,469 --> 01:13:20,429
and three guys came and
grabbed me from behind
1242
01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:22,849
and one of them put a gun to my head
1243
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:25,811
and started just yelling
all kinds of things.
1244
01:13:25,812 --> 01:13:28,898
"The little faggot," and so on, and so on.
1245
01:13:28,899 --> 01:13:32,444
I said, "I have to get out of
here or I will be killed."
1246
01:13:33,654 --> 01:13:37,366
And I came here to study art
1247
01:13:37,367 --> 01:13:40,036
and I started seeing like, wow.
1248
01:13:40,037 --> 01:13:44,541
I don't have to be like, you know, who
is looking at me? I have to hide.
1249
01:13:44,542 --> 01:13:48,004
But still it stays in your brain,
1250
01:13:48,005 --> 01:13:51,175
that in order to survive,
I needed to pretend.
1251
01:13:52,886 --> 01:13:57,224
But I just didn't have any
way to stay in this country.
1252
01:13:58,477 --> 01:14:01,229
And then I met Randi.
1253
01:14:04,067 --> 01:14:08,113
So, I actually found someone
who got a name for me...
1254
01:14:10,741 --> 01:14:15,079
...and they told me that
this person was deceased,
1255
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,500
and that this name didn't belong to anyone.
1256
01:14:20,711 --> 01:14:25,841
So I wrestled with that
situation for quite a while
1257
01:14:25,842 --> 01:14:28,303
whether to go ahead with this.
1258
01:14:28,304 --> 01:14:31,140
But I just didn't have any choice.
1259
01:14:31,141 --> 01:14:34,478
So I decided to do it, to take the name.
1260
01:14:35,605 --> 01:14:39,442
But I wasn't really that aware
of what I was doing, you know.
1261
01:14:39,443 --> 01:14:41,487
The thing snowballed.
1262
01:14:42,738 --> 01:14:46,242
One of these three men
pretended to be possessed.
1263
01:14:46,243 --> 01:14:48,744
Number two, what is your name, please?
1264
01:14:48,745 --> 01:14:51,039
My name is Jose Alvarez.
1265
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,543
Only one of these people
is the real Jose Alvarez
1266
01:14:54,544 --> 01:14:58,633
and is the only one sworn
To Tell The Truth.
1267
01:15:01,469 --> 01:15:04,806
Trying to escape such a terrible situation,
1268
01:15:04,807 --> 01:15:08,061
I kind of got jailed in a different one.
1269
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,942
With the Jose Alvarez identity,
1270
01:15:13,943 --> 01:15:16,403
I applied for a passport under that name
1271
01:15:16,404 --> 01:15:20,450
and then I went to Australia
to play the Carlos Hoax.
1272
01:15:20,451 --> 01:15:24,788
And I just set off to train him
to be a so-called channeller.
1273
01:15:24,789 --> 01:15:29,627
I have lived through many reincarnations.
1274
01:15:29,628 --> 01:15:32,381
My last one was in Venezuela.
1275
01:15:32,382 --> 01:15:34,800
Also keep very wide, keep very wide,
1276
01:15:34,801 --> 01:15:36,803
cos you're going to be on a big stage.
1277
01:15:36,804 --> 01:15:40,682
He learned fast and we were
using the Peter Popoff method.
1278
01:15:40,683 --> 01:15:44,020
I've heard you described as
a fraud and a charlatan.
1279
01:15:44,021 --> 01:15:45,981
That's a very rude comment.
1280
01:15:45,982 --> 01:15:48,359
Well, that's a very rude comment.
1281
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,652
He did a wonderful job,
1282
01:15:49,653 --> 01:15:52,530
but, after all, that's the
kind of thing he does well.
1283
01:15:52,531 --> 01:15:56,535
I am using this body, Jose Alvarez.
1284
01:15:56,536 --> 01:16:00,123
He is an artist in the United States.
1285
01:16:00,124 --> 01:16:03,419
The whole thing was totally
against my persona.
1286
01:16:04,671 --> 01:16:07,549
I knew that I was playing
this fictitious character.
1287
01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:10,636
I just felt, I just felt like a phoney.
1288
01:16:12,055 --> 01:16:14,600
You know, but I have to go on with it.
1289
01:16:22,651 --> 01:16:24,862
No! No!
1290
01:16:26,906 --> 01:16:31,662
It turned out that there was a
real person named Jose Alvarez...
1291
01:16:33,206 --> 01:16:38,795
...and he decided to apply for a
passport after 25 years of me
1292
01:16:38,796 --> 01:16:40,881
living with this identity.
1293
01:16:40,882 --> 01:16:42,883
The moment of truth is about to arrive.
1294
01:16:42,884 --> 01:16:46,514
Will the real Jose Alvarez please stand up?
1295
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:53,022
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1296
01:16:56,192 --> 01:16:59,862
The problem is, once you start to
tell people that you're genuine,
1297
01:16:59,863 --> 01:17:03,993
it's really hard to step away from
that because you've lied to people.
1298
01:17:03,994 --> 01:17:05,578
You've lied to their face.
1299
01:17:05,579 --> 01:17:08,748
It was extremely difficult when
I was fooling the scientists.
1300
01:17:08,749 --> 01:17:13,462
You know, at first I saw them as the enemy.
It was me against the enemy.
1301
01:17:13,463 --> 01:17:17,301
- But over time, they become your friends.
- Were we violating laws?
1302
01:17:18,636 --> 01:17:21,347
Probably. Was it fraud in some cases?
1303
01:17:21,348 --> 01:17:22,932
Most definitely.
1304
01:17:22,933 --> 01:17:25,476
Did we look at it that way at the time?
1305
01:17:25,477 --> 01:17:27,813
I don't think any of us did,
1306
01:17:27,814 --> 01:17:30,567
because we thought the
ends justified the means.
1307
01:17:31,943 --> 01:17:34,655
Deception has so many layers.
1308
01:17:34,656 --> 01:17:37,199
I mean, you have the zenith of deception
1309
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,369
and people go to jail for that.
1310
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:42,038
But then you have magicians.
1311
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:44,499
They manipulate the truth.
1312
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:47,671
They are in the business
of deceiving people.
1313
01:17:48,881 --> 01:17:51,508
Alpha and Carlos and Popoff,
1314
01:17:51,509 --> 01:17:54,220
these incredible revelations of deception,
1315
01:17:54,221 --> 01:17:58,767
they're actually sort of giant
cons in their own sense, right?
1316
01:17:58,768 --> 01:18:01,104
But they're cons on the right side.
1317
01:18:02,356 --> 01:18:04,774
This is what it means to be an honest liar.
1318
01:18:04,775 --> 01:18:09,113
It's the difference between using
deception to conceal the truth,
1319
01:18:09,114 --> 01:18:12,368
and using deception to reveal the truth.
1320
01:18:14,871 --> 01:18:18,582
Up until now, you haven't really said
1321
01:18:18,583 --> 01:18:22,671
anything about Jose being Deyvi.
1322
01:18:22,672 --> 01:18:25,633
- Here's where I'd like to start.
- OK.
1323
01:18:25,634 --> 01:18:29,262
I think it would be good if
you said something like,
1324
01:18:29,263 --> 01:18:32,934
"I feel I should come clean."
1325
01:18:32,935 --> 01:18:36,312
- No, no, no, no. That admits guilt.
- OK.
1326
01:18:36,313 --> 01:18:39,233
I should make something clear.
1327
01:18:39,234 --> 01:18:41,193
That's much better.
1328
01:18:41,194 --> 01:18:43,947
Are you afraid of the ramifications?
1329
01:18:43,948 --> 01:18:47,911
I have all kinds of fear of that, yes.
1330
01:18:49,038 --> 01:18:51,414
Fear of what? I'm not clear.
1331
01:18:51,415 --> 01:18:55,586
If I don't have to say, "Yes, I
knew that he had a false identity
1332
01:18:55,587 --> 01:18:59,758
"and he perpetrated it...
on the American nation"...
1333
01:19:01,136 --> 01:19:04,180
...I don't want to say that!
1334
01:19:04,181 --> 01:19:06,850
Look at what he was going through.
1335
01:19:06,851 --> 01:19:08,560
He was going through hell.
1336
01:19:08,561 --> 01:19:10,646
If he went back to Venezuela, he would...
1337
01:19:10,647 --> 01:19:15,860
He would be constantly
victimised and abused and
1338
01:19:15,861 --> 01:19:18,573
attacked.
1339
01:19:18,574 --> 01:19:20,116
No, I couldn't see that.
1340
01:19:20,117 --> 01:19:22,118
I...
1341
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:25,206
I had to accept what I saw happening.
1342
01:19:26,374 --> 01:19:30,379
No, none of this must be used.
I mean, really. I...
1343
01:19:30,380 --> 01:19:33,840
If I thought that any
of this would be used,
1344
01:19:33,841 --> 01:19:36,052
I would abandon the film entirely.
1345
01:19:36,053 --> 01:19:38,722
- No, no, no, no.
- But I'm being honest with you.
1346
01:19:38,723 --> 01:19:41,642
Now, I'm being taped at the same
time and I have to trust you.
1347
01:19:41,643 --> 01:19:45,688
- OK, well...
- And I will and I do.
- But we had discussed this.
1348
01:19:45,689 --> 01:19:50,402
I'm willing to say the story
that I gave you on this camera.
1349
01:19:50,403 --> 01:19:53,240
That's fine, OK. I'm not asking
you to do anything else.
1350
01:19:53,241 --> 01:19:57,619
- But I want the rest of it to vanish, please.
- This last part?
1351
01:19:57,620 --> 01:20:00,332
Yes, understood, understood.
1352
01:20:02,042 --> 01:20:04,254
No worries.
1353
01:20:06,548 --> 01:20:09,760
- I trust you or I wouldn't be doing this.
- Thank you.
1354
01:20:15,267 --> 01:20:18,563
We all spin personal narratives.
1355
01:20:19,981 --> 01:20:22,650
And so when an event happens
that doesn't fit this idea that
1356
01:20:22,651 --> 01:20:25,862
he's this amazing truth-teller and so on,
1357
01:20:25,863 --> 01:20:28,699
then something has to happen to
that event and, like everyone,
1358
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:32,162
he may well change a few facts
around or rub it out completely.
1359
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:40,840
In entertainment, there is a kind
of acceptability to deceive.
1360
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:46,471
It's like when there are two
Picasso paintings on the wall.
1361
01:20:46,472 --> 01:20:50,058
One is a fake, and the other one is real,
1362
01:20:50,059 --> 01:20:52,061
but they look the same.
1363
01:20:52,062 --> 01:20:53,522
There's no harm in that.
1364
01:20:55,566 --> 01:20:59,863
At the end of the day,
there's nothing to reveal.
1365
01:21:01,823 --> 01:21:04,993
Because what I do is real.
1366
01:21:04,994 --> 01:21:06,537
What you do is real.
1367
01:21:27,313 --> 01:21:31,025
I think I slept last night.
Some part of it, anyway.
1368
01:21:38,118 --> 01:21:41,872
Today, officially, we'll find
out what the judge has to say.
1369
01:21:44,042 --> 01:21:45,877
It's got to be the right thing.
1370
01:21:50,007 --> 01:21:53,052
Or I don't know what I'm
going to do, or what...
1371
01:21:54,387 --> 01:21:56,265
...what Jose is going to do.
1372
01:22:01,021 --> 01:22:04,273
He's specifically an immigration judge,
1373
01:22:04,274 --> 01:22:07,737
and he apparently likes to...
1374
01:22:10,323 --> 01:22:11,533
...suggest removal.
1375
01:22:13,494 --> 01:22:15,329
That would be the end of him.
1376
01:22:25,717 --> 01:22:30,306
The end of him and the end
of us, automatically.
1377
01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:34,519
His life literally hangs in the balance.
1378
01:22:37,773 --> 01:22:39,441
And I feel somehow that
1379
01:22:39,442 --> 01:22:43,363
I've got to come out with
some rabbit-out-of-the-hat
1380
01:22:43,364 --> 01:22:47,075
to try to get him back
here where he belongs
1381
01:22:47,076 --> 01:22:49,413
and not behind bars.
1382
01:23:20,241 --> 01:23:24,496
I was just in a state of total suspension,
1383
01:23:24,497 --> 01:23:28,167
you know, just waiting for him
to say what the sentence was.
1384
01:23:28,168 --> 01:23:32,047
It was something I had hoped
for, that we'd all hoped for.
1385
01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:35,843
We won.
1386
01:23:35,844 --> 01:23:37,679
We won this one.
1387
01:23:51,028 --> 01:23:54,658
People were really beautiful talking.
1388
01:24:04,462 --> 01:24:07,882
I'm not really sure how I feel,
but I'm feeling very, uh...
1389
01:24:09,969 --> 01:24:13,347
...thankful. That's how
I feel, very thankful.
1390
01:24:14,391 --> 01:24:17,644
I'm not one person, I've got a partner.
1391
01:24:17,645 --> 01:24:21,607
For the last quarter of a
century, I've had this partner.
1392
01:24:21,608 --> 01:24:24,151
We're one element.
1393
01:24:24,152 --> 01:24:27,656
And I have never hesitated
to reach out to help him
1394
01:24:27,657 --> 01:24:29,951
in every possible way.
1395
01:24:32,204 --> 01:24:34,414
I know Randi.
1396
01:24:34,415 --> 01:24:38,086
He has a mission out there in the world,
1397
01:24:38,087 --> 01:24:43,258
as The Amazing Randi. But his compassion...
1398
01:24:43,259 --> 01:24:50,476
People don't know how much he cares
when he sees someone in distress.
1399
01:24:51,686 --> 01:24:55,940
And it's not just on a social level
1400
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but also on a personal level.
1401
01:24:58,152 --> 01:25:03,700
And I include myself
specifically in that equation,
1402
01:25:03,701 --> 01:25:06,829
that he...
1403
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:11,877
he will do what is necessary
to save somebody.
1404
01:25:17,133 --> 01:25:19,053
Don't worry about it, yeah.
1405
01:25:22,515 --> 01:25:26,686
- Here?
- Yeah. No, a little bit further, over here.
1406
01:25:26,687 --> 01:25:30,232
- Here? OK.
- OK...
1407
01:25:30,233 --> 01:25:32,318
- OK.
- Great.
1408
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:35,571
What do you think? No? Yeah?
1409
01:25:35,572 --> 01:25:37,074
Randi said years ago,
1410
01:25:37,075 --> 01:25:40,453
"There is nothing that a man can
make that I can't get out of."
1411
01:25:42,248 --> 01:25:44,791
That line is actually a Houdini line.
1412
01:25:44,792 --> 01:25:47,461
And the difference was
that Houdini, you know,
1413
01:25:47,462 --> 01:25:49,172
if someone ever did bring something,
1414
01:25:49,173 --> 01:25:51,758
like a pair of handcuffs that
no way he could get out,
1415
01:25:51,759 --> 01:25:54,345
Houdini's guys, his goons,
would take the guy out back
1416
01:25:54,346 --> 01:25:56,055
and beat the crap out of the guy
1417
01:25:56,056 --> 01:25:58,516
and the audience never saw the guy again.
1418
01:25:58,517 --> 01:26:00,310
But I bet you anything,
1419
01:26:00,311 --> 01:26:04,023
Randi truly believed there was
nothing he couldn't get out of.
1420
01:26:05,067 --> 01:26:09,195
Or make it at least seem like
he was getting out of them.
1421
01:26:09,196 --> 01:26:10,991
And I'll quote him directly.
1422
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:13,452
"I'm a magician.
1423
01:26:14,661 --> 01:26:17,665
"I know how to deceive people,
1424
01:26:17,666 --> 01:26:21,378
"and I know how to recognise
when people are being deceived.
1425
01:26:23,297 --> 01:26:27,426
"I can cheat you countless
different ways and you won't know.
1426
01:26:27,427 --> 01:26:28,804
"You won't catch me."
1427
01:26:30,723 --> 01:26:33,516
Some people cannot believe that
1428
01:26:33,517 --> 01:26:38,731
a magician can fool them in such a
way that they can't figure it out.
1429
01:26:38,732 --> 01:26:41,486
But magicians can and magicians do.
1430
01:26:42,737 --> 01:26:45,239
Don't be too sure of yourself.
1431
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:50,371
No matter how smart or well educated
you are, you can be deceived.
1432
01:26:59,118 --> 01:27:01,729
MUSIC: The Magic Touch by The Platters
1433
01:27:02,330 --> 01:27:07,435
♪ You've got the magic touch
1434
01:27:08,936 --> 01:27:14,149
♪ It makes me glow so much... ♪
1435
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,122
♪ It casts a spell, it rings
a bell, the magic touch
1436
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,796
OK, that's weird. This
is all that I'm getting.
1437
01:27:20,797 --> 01:27:22,389
I have no clue what this is.
1438
01:27:23,313 --> 01:27:28,985
♪ Oh, when I feel your charm
1439
01:27:28,986 --> 01:27:32,616
♪ It's like a four alarm... ♪
1440
01:27:33,498 --> 01:27:37,891
♪ You make me feel so much
1441
01:27:38,474 --> 01:27:42,394
♪ You've got the magic touch
1442
01:27:43,295 --> 01:27:43,991
♪ Here I go reeling
1443
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,277
My jewellery are a catalyst
to the powers of your mind.
1444
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,319
- Yes.
- It's all in the mind.
1445
01:27:50,392 --> 01:27:54,683
♪ I'm feeling the glow
1446
01:27:55,584 --> 01:28:03,584
♪ But where can I go from you?
1447
01:28:03,904 --> 01:28:09,493
♪ I didn't know too much
1448
01:28:09,494 --> 01:28:13,706
♪ And then I felt your touch
1449
01:28:13,707 --> 01:28:17,419
♪ And now I've learned
1450
01:28:17,420 --> 01:28:20,590
♪ I can return
1451
01:28:20,591 --> 01:28:27,724
♪ The magic touch. ♪
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