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MUSIC: Brown Sugar by The Rolling Stones.
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The Rolling Stones, the greatest rock band of all-time.
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And standing in the shadows, Keith Richards, the enigmatic, beating heart of the band.
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Part human riff, part sheer phenomenon,
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he exists, for me, on stage, caught between the spotlights, wielding his guitar like a weapon.
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Astonishing, other-worldly and, against all the odds, still alive.
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And now he's written the book many people thought he couldn't even remember, his autobiography, "Life".
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Just around midnight
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Brown sugar How come you dance so good?
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MUSIC: Under My Thumb by The Rolling Stones.
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Keith, known as the man with
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five strings and nine lives, began his career on the London
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R&B scene in the early Sixties, a backroom blues fanatic, hypnotised by the sounds of black America.
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By the end of the decade, his style of guitar-playing had changed rock'n'roll forever.
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Under my thumb the girl who once had me down...
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The Sixties was an era of reinvention, and the Stones rode the wave of revolutionary change.
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They became an antidote to post-war oppression, the very embodiment of sex and drugs and rock'n'roll.
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For Keith, this was the decade that made the man.
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She's under my thumb.
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'So, I've read the book, but now I get to meet the man himself.'
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Say it's all right.
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You say, at one point, that image casts a long shadow.
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Slightly enigmatic, that.
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I take it to mean that all the images that have accumulated around you, you feel, have cast
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a shadow, and is this book a way of, as it were, coming out of the shadow of all the images of Keith Richards?
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I've always been looking forward,
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and then suddenly, "Oh yeah, a book, OK."
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But when you actually have to review your whole life and
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go through the process of it, you know...
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I don't know, everybody should try it.
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What I mean is, if I came to the book, which I did, not having met you, I came to the book with
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- the image of Keith Richards that I grew up with.
- Oh, that one.
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The saturnine, astonishing, vampire-like figure stalking the stage and then I'm reading the book,
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and I'm discovering that Keith Richards was once a choirboy who performed at Westminster Abbey.
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That Keith Richards was in the Boy Scouts. That's what I mean,
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- that suddenly you become a real person.
- I know.
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I mean, I loved being a choirboy. I was a very good soprano. But I...
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MUSIC: You Can't Always Get What You Want by The Rolling Stones.
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But also it was my first experience of the pink slip.
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When the voice broke,
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I think it says it in the book, there were two other guys and we were all
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good sopranos and we had done some stuff around in London and sang for the Queen.
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You know, when you're 12 or something, that's a big deal.
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And also you got a free bus ride to London.
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Yeah, boys!
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But the way you put it in the book, you had this benevolent choirmaster,
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and then your voice broke and they sling you out.
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That seems to me to be a really important turning point in your life.
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That seemed to be the point where you decided that school
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and authority was not what you were going to follow.
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It probably was, and the more I thought about that...
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This is where the rebel got born.
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And I think it was just
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totally unfair treatment, as we were concerned.
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We sung our hearts out for this school, and then it was just like...
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the boot. And you think, "Oh, welcome to life." HE LAUGHS
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- CHOIR:
- You can't always get what you want...
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You can't always get what you want...
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I wanted nothing to do with authority, I just found it all superfluous and unfair.
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DOOR SLAMS
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I find the beginning of the book very evocative of this London,
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or Dartford, almost on the suburban fringes of London.
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- Suburbs.
- You are growing up, and you describe it in very bleak terms.
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I suppose what I was trying to put across was that
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you were growing up in the residue of a huge World War, but you didn't know anything about it.
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It was just the way things were.
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You know, a bomb site here, and, "No, you can't have that, we don't have any ration tickets left."
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I mean, it wasn't unusual. You didn't feel hard done by, it was just the way it was.
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He was born in 1943, right slap in the middle of the war.
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He says that this has had a very profound effect on him.
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SIREN
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When he watches Second World War films, when he hears a siren, his hair stands up on end.
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And it must be to do with being hustled down to a shelter with his mum.
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It's a very powerful metaphor for me, in the book, that you say it
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was as if London was under fog, and you say it was also as if there was a fog between people.
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They couldn't express to each other. There was all this repression, pent up repression.
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Was music your way out of that?
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Yes, yes, it was.
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And, gratefully to my mum, who was a beautiful music freak and had incredible taste,
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I grew up listening to Sarah Vaughan,
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Louis Armstrong, Billy Eckstine and a little dash of Mozart here and there.
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It was a lovely wide range, and I would just soak this up without thinking.
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And we always had this soundtrack going on, which no doubt influenced me an awful lot.
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I always remember my mother saying,
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she'd be in the kitchen, cooking, and she would say, "Did you hear that Blue Note?"
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I need your love so badly...
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They were very close.
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He was an only child, and Doris was on his side.
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His father was a distant figure.
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Not much speech, not much talk.
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He said he loved his dad because he was his dad, but for no other reason.
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Right at the end of the book, he just tells a story about how his
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first good review came from Doris, that's the thing he remembers.
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When one day he was playing the guitar, as he used to,
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on the top of the stairs in the house in Dartford where he got the best acoustics he could get.
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And Doris said to him,
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"Is that you? I thought it was the radio."
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A big breakthrough moment.
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First review. First good review.
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Well, since my baby left me
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Well, I've found a new place to dwell
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Well, it's down at the end of Lonely Street
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At Heartbreak Hotel I'll be so lonely, baby...
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You say that, at a certain point, whether it was a
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- day or an evening, you heard Elvis Presley's song, Heartbreak Hotel.
- Hmm-mm.
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And it was as if the world before you heard that song and the world after you heard that song weren't
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the same place. That somehow a new thing had opened up for you.
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In my mind the world went from black and white to technicolour.
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MUSIC: Heartbreak Hotel by Elvis Presley
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There was a spark, yes. Suddenly I hear this music out of nowhere...
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It was suddenly as if everything had come into focus, you know?
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And that's all you wanted to do.
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As Britain dragged itself out of the economic mire of post-war austerity,
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an alternative pop culture opened up for the newly minted teen generation.
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Keith's continuing obsession with music
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meant another turning point was just around the corner.
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His academic life was not dazzling, it has to be said.
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He was almost going to be relegated to secondary modern,
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which is basically a preparation for manual work.
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But he was quite good at art, so he got to Sidcup Art School,
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and that was really where the guitar took over.
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I don't know how much art was done, but a helluva lot of guitar-playing was done.
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There was a space somewhere in art school.
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If you weren't doing your classes, it was music.
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David Bowie went there, Dick Taylor, who went into the Pretty Things.
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Charlie Watts was at Hornchurch School of Art.
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But there was a breeding ground of music that was going on.
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# Come on take a little walk with me Arlene... "
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Keith had a thing about Scotty Moore, who was Elvis' guitarist.
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That was what he was trying to emulate.
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And that was when everybody else was playing folky, bluesy, Leadbelly,
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San Francisco Bay blues.
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He was looked down on a bit.
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Rock'n'roll was not considered rather infra dig, in the art school, at that time.
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It wasn't sort of clever enough.
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It was to do with yobbos and dressing up as Teds.
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He had one foot in the Ted camp and another in the moddish camp.
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I remember every day I'd come in on the bus, and walking up Sidcup Hill
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would be this character in very tight jeans, slightly pointy shoes,
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a purple shirt, and if it was below about ten below,
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then he would possibly wear a Wrangler jacket.
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Either he had an inexhaustible supply of purple shirts, or it was a very well-worn one.
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Sweet little sixteen
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She's just got to have
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About a half a million
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Signed autographs
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Keith was a tremendous fan of Chuck Berry.
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When Jazz On A Summer's Day came out, a great documentary about
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the Newport Jazz Festival, Chuck Berry was in it,
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and Keith went to see it more than a dozen times just so he could see his hero.
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O, Daddy, Daddy!
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As it turned out, Keith wasn't the only Chuck Berry fan in Dartford.
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Michael Philip Jagger was an old classmate from primary school.
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They'd lived just one street apart as children
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but it was a chance meeting on a train that would reignite their interest in each other.
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BLUES HARMONICA
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All aboard!
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To find out that a guy you'd known that long, who you hadn't seen for that long,
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is actually focusing on exactly the same thing that you are, such a meeting of minds at the time.
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He had the records to prove it.
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He was on the train with the records, the Muddy Waters, the Best of Muddy Waters,
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Rocking at the Hops, Chuck Berry,
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and there was another... Newport, The Jazz - Blues Festival.
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And I'm looking at this guy and I'm, "I know you."
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And what you've got under your arm is worth robbing.
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- Was it, you're one of us.
- So, instead of robbing him, we talked
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and shared ideas and that's how it really came about.
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Keith joined Mick Jagger in Dick Taylor's band,
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Little Boy Blue And The Blue Boys.
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And together they began attending the jazz and blues nights at the Ealing Club.
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It was there that they came across a young slide guitarist called Brian Jones.
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By the autumn of '62, Brian, Mick and Keith would all be living under one roof.
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Edith Grove was the flat that Keith, Mick and Brian moved into.
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I went round a few times and it was the worst slum
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I've ever seen.
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It was absolutely incredible.
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Nobody knew whose bed was whose.
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Mostly they slept on the floor near the radiogram.
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They slept where they fell, as it were.
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Over the coldest winter in memory since 17-something.
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Tell me what you did that winter. It sounds extraordinary
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that you were playing records by people like Chuck Berry.
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Jimmy Reeves, Muddy Waters, Little Walter,
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Bobby Bland, BB King, Buddy Guy,
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Elmore James.
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Can I mention all the greats?
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We just studied them, day in, day out.
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With no heat. And no food most of the time!
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But at that age, you know, you can live off of nothing.
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What you have in this moment is an absolute obsession with music
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and this sponging in of all this stuff,
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from the Mississippi Delta, from Chicago and so on.
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So that, in a way, when they emerged,
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they did sound like black musicians.
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It was the authentic sound.
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Everything is wrong since me and my baby parted
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All day long I walked because I couldn't get my car started
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Laid up on my job And I can't afford to check it
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I wish somebody'd come along and run into it and wreck it, come on
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Since me and my baby parted, come on
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# I can't get started, come on
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I can't afford to check it
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I wish somebody'd come along and run into it and wreck it...
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'We had nothing to lose.
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'And we were playing and listening,'
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and our desire was to turn people on to the blues.
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And that was... You know, we didn't want nothing for it.
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We just wanted people to sort of say, woah!
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And then it started to happen.
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Suddenly, overnight almost, at the Ealing club, or the Richmond club,
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before they had made a recording, there were queues around the block.
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And it happened in the space of two or three weeks.
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First you had these little groups of aficionados coming to hear R'n'B,
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people coming... R'n'B fans coming from the North to hear this new band.
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Before they had made a record.
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Suddenly they were doing this thing that Keith in his diary calls "wonging the pog,"
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which meant everyone going totally crazy.
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On those nights when they played, when they were starting,
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they played every Jimmy Reeves song they knew.
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They played every Muddy Waters song, every Howlin' Wolf song.
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They were just devotees beyond the call of sanity.
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It was just a fascinating journey.
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And presumptuous, of 18-year-old white kids from London
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to say, "We're going to be the best blues band in London."
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In retrospect, the ludicrous aim of all.
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But a very short retrospect,
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because almost as soon as you feel that you've got somewhere,
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you're on the TV
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- and you've got a hit record.
- I know...
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And, "Oh, what are we going to do now?" You were what, 20?
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When suddenly you are performing in front of what you describe as...
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- This is...
- ..thousands of "feral" female teenagers.
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Oh, they were rabid.
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I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be
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You're gonna give your love to me
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I'm gonna love you night and day
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And well you know my love'll not fade away...
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Decca Records, who'd missed out on signing the Beatles,
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jumped at the chance to secure the Stones.
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By the autumn of 1963, they were touring with their idols.
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By February '64, they had their first Top Ten hit with Not Fade Away.
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Stones mania was reaching fever pitch.
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These sets were very short. Now they do two hours or something like that.
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They were on for 20 minutes, maybe.
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And the riot was three hours.
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I don't know how to describe that thing. I mean...
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You're 18, you're playing your blues, you know...
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And within a matter of months,
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suddenly woman are trying to tear your clothes off.
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And in actual fact almost kill me a couple of times,
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and also killing themselves. They're jumping off of balconies.
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I'd be like, "This is not quite what I had in mind."
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- Could you hear yourself actually playing?
- Nah, nah, nah.
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Brian and I used to play Popeye the Sailor Man
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because nobody could hear anything. HUMS POPEYE TUNE
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They couldn't hear it, we couldn't hear it!
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SCREAMING
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I said, the joint was rockin'
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Goin' round and round
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Yeah, reelin' and a-rockin'
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What a crazy sound
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And they never stop rockin'
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Till the moon went down.
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The only thing that you could hear, just shrieking teenage female...
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And it's very impressive.
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Especially in her body!
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I said, the joint was rockin'
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Goin' round and round...
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I can handle one at a time, you know, but 3,000? Whoa!
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- What does that do to you as a person?
- I don't know.
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I'm still recovering, man!
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No longer blues purists, the Rolling Stones were now pop stars.
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So far, the band had only released covers,
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so manager Andrew Oldham now set Keith and Mick to work on writing their own songs.
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I found an interesting part of your book,
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you were talking about what you liked about your own music
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is that you said it's like a blank canvas.
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Well, if I could put it the same way as, er...
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If you're an author, a writer,
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and what do you have in front of you? A blank piece of paper.
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And then you have to say something.
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But in front of you, staring at you, is this blankness.
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And in musical terms, silence is the same thing.
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That is your canvas, silence.
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And it's what you do... over that silence.
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You don't want to obliterate it,
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because it can also, you can use it,
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because it becomes, like, the depth, or you know... It's...
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But somewhere you've got to make some noise over that silence.
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'It's almost intuitive.
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'You do it by feel, really, and instinct.'
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It's very compelling. It sucks me right in.
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I hear him playing and churnin' away on that thing,
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I want to get my horn and join in.
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Sounds like... It's like you hear a parade coming down the street, man,
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you want to rush out your door and see what's goin' on.
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'That ain't something you can just dial up at will.'
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You can't snort it, you can't smoke it,
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you can't rub it in your belly button. You know, it's just, very...
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organic. Ha-ha!
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- REPORTER:
- This year was the year of the mods and rockers and of the hooliganism,
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vandalism and fighting which often walked with them.
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This same senseless build up of endless disorder was repeated.
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After this early burst of success,
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this meant that you could then have an American tour.
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And you say that going to America, to you,
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felt like going to the promised land.
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Basically, this is where the music I was listening to,
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all the musicians that I listened to, this is where they were.
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They were in America.
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I was 3,000 closer miles to...
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Muddy Waters, to Chuck Berry.
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Bo Diddley, Little Walter, Buddy Guy.
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I was that much closer to the source,
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and I think that's what I meant by saying "The promised land."
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MUSIC: "Broken-Hearted Blues" by Buddy Guy
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It was so exciting, and it was brand new.
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It was like you'd been dumped in your favourite playground
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and, OK, and you can go on forever. Until you drop.
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We were just so interested.
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We felt it was a gift, coming to America.
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In our teenage minds.
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I mean, suddenly to be transplanted from some wannabe,
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and actually to play in America,
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and they give you a bigger hand than you get at home.
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And wow, there's areas to be explored we didn't even know about.
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All we've heard is their recordings.
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Now you meet the people.
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I put a tiger in your tank
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I put a tiger in your tank
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I put a tiger in your tank
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I put a tiger in your tank
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I don't care what they say
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I, I put a tiger in your tank.
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I mean, Muddy Waters, these guys were amazing.
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They come from nowhere.
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I don't come from somewhere,
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but these guys come literally from nowhere.
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And just by sheer force of talent and strength of character,
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they laid something down.
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I'm only a mere copy of it.
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To me, you know?
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Well, baby used to stay out all night long
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She made me cry She done me wrong
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She hurt my eyes open, that's no lie
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Table's turning, now, her turn to cry
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Because I used to love her, but it's all over now.
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But when you're actually touring America,
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the situation you seem to describe is one where, particularly outside, say, New York,
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the main metropolitan centres,
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you're being met with intense suspicion by ordinary white people.
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And yet, when you cross over the tracks, as you put it,
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among the black communities of America,
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you're met with a very warm reception.
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Very welcoming. I think maybe it was because of the music we were playing.
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Our stuff is very grounded in black music, in blues,
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and rhythm and blues.
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And there was a certain reciprocation, a feeling
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which to me was a great joy.
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I am the Little Red Rooster
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Too lazy to crow for day
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I am the Little Red Rooster
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Too lazy to crow for day
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Keep everything in the farmyard
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Upset in every way.
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A lot of those black musicians were not very well appreciated in commercial terms.
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No, at that time, I mean, probably we resuscitated
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several careers, just because we did some Muddy Waters.
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Muddy, at the time, was not selling a lot of records.
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I think the really extraordinary thing about getting to America for the Stones
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was to get this inkling that a lot of white musicians had never heard black music
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until they heard the Rolling Stones doing it.
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So their contribution to the whole musical history
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was actually to turn America on to its own music.
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MUSIC: "Got My Mojo Working" by Muddy Waters
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We grew into it, and the music grew into us.
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And America changed rapidly in those, '64, '65.
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It was another world.
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America's capable of switching, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
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America was to become Keith's spiritual home.
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But his admiration for the black musicians of blues labels like Chess Records
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proved to be out of step with a country still struggling with segregation and civil rights.
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Black people should realise that freedom is something that they have when they're born.
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We need an organisation that's ready and willing to take action.
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Because we intend to fire our people up so much, until if they can't have their equal share in the house,
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they'll burn it down.
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CHEERING
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Kind of dangerous.
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Yeah.
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But interesting, and I just happen to be there on that cusp.
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And it was endlessly fascinating, you know, America.
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After Dartford!
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Above all are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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I looked through the list of the amount of tours that you did, between 62 and 67.
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I mean it's astonishing number of tours.
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Mostly by road.
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But it must have taken its toll? Did it not take its toll?
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Maybe I'm feeling it now, but I never felt, I'd have willingly paid the toll again.
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They were on the road without stop for maybe four years,
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64, 65, 66. 67 was the first year they actually got kind of a break.
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Literally, there was no time off at all during that period. It was relentless.
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After a show like this, you've got to go home and write lyrics,
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because you have to keep the stuff coming out, or you die.
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You kind of fall back. So they pumped out this staggering amount of material, it's just unbelievable.
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The hallmark sound of the Stones was realised in the track Satisfaction,
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their first international hit, which captured the attitude and velocity of the band
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as they hurtled through the decade.
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Satisfaction, as far as I can tell, you seem to have believed
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that when you recorded it, what you'd recorded was a demo.
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Yeah, it was to me.
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And then, before you know it, it's actually been released,
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because the pressure was so much on to produce in those early years. You've got to build....
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And the pressure, and also maybe superfluous ideas of how it should go
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were beyond our capabilities,
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but that was what I consider the sketch.
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It was actually it. It's like a Leonardo cartoon, you know?
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How could he do cartoons?
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But Andrew Oldham, in that respect, and the record company, were right. That's a hit.
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So I'm on the road, and it's out, and I'm very happy it's a hit.
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It was the biggest one, you know, whoa!
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I can't get no satisfaction
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I can't get no satisfaction
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Cos I try, and I try
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And I try, and I try
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I can't get no
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I can't get no
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When I'm driving in my car...
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It was born on a cassette player, pushed through a cassette player, and then re-recorded somehow
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to make this crude sound, a sound which just completely took rock and roll to new levels,
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changed the world and all that kind of thing.
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Can't get no
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No, no, no
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Hey, hey, hey
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That's what I say...
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For my mind, the da-daah da-da-daaah, that was supposed to be a horn section line.
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Otis Redding got it totally, a few months later, and he did a great cover of it.
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That was how I was hearing it, but at the same time, it wasn't the Stones.
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I can't get no
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I can't get no...
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I had it right the first time, and thank God we got it,
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and kept the sketch, rather than doing the whole oil painting.
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I can't get no
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I can't get no...
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That was perfect, it was fabulous, it just felt it was your music.
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And it wasn't high-minded protest, like the early Bob Dylan stuff.
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It was what Bobby Keeter called 'balls to the wall rock and roll'. Great.
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No satisfaction.
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CHEERING
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So, do you think, in a way, there was the pressure to create singles?
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There was a great pressure, but in some ways, do you feel
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that actually liberated you not to overwork your material and just to go with it?
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They didn't give you the time for it.
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I mean, I think I say in the book, we were all taking a big breath,
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Satisfaction is number one around the world and we can't believe it.
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"Yes," you know?
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Meanwhile, there's a knock at the door going, "Where's the follow-up?"
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I live on an apartment On the 99th floor of my block
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And I sit at home Looking out the window
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Imagining the world has stopped
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Then in flies a guy All dressed up like a Union Jack
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And he says, I've won L5 If I have this kind of detergent pack
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I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud
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Hey! You! Get off of my cloud
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Hey! You! Get off of my cloud
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Don't hang around, boy Two's a crowd...
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But at one point in the book you say that what you want from a song,
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I don't know if this is still true,
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you say what you want from a song is not that it sounds like it was made in a studio,
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but it sounds like it was made in a room.
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True, yeah. I don't like big productions,
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and, after all, with the Rolling Stones big productions are really out of the picture.
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I have a very limited orchestra to work with.
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Basically I've got to write with the idea of just four, five guys involved in this.
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Anything else is your marzipan.
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It's such a pleasure to be in the studio with them,
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because they just gather around a microphone
477
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,360
and look at each other, and play whatever they want to play.
478
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,840
And some of it is the worst garbage you can imagine.
479
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Please let me introduce myself
480
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,840
I'm a man of wealth and taste
481
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,520
I've been around Many a long, long year
482
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,760
Stole many a man's soul and faith...
483
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,920
It's pretty remarkable that they were able to capture that on film.
484
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520
This was a time when extraordinary things happened,
485
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,480
as in you really get to see
486
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,480
the creation of the track of Sympathy For The Devil.
487
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:39,560
I lay traps for troubadours who get killed before they reach Bombay
488
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,840
Woo woo!
489
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Pleased to meet y'all now hope you guess my name
490
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,120
Woo woo!
491
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,520
What's puzzling you
492
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Is the nature of my game
493
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Yeah, get down...
494
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,360
MUSIC: "Sympathy For The Devil by the Rolling Stones
495
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
The summer of 1967 was Keith's own summer of love.
496
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,640
He began a relationship with Brian Jones's girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg,
497
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,040
which was to have a profound impact on more than just the band dynamics.
498
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,000
Keith was reborn as a psychedelic sex symbol.
499
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,680
His image was to influence a generation.
500
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,240
In retrospect, history says that you were part of a change in consciousness,
501
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,080
you were part of a change in, for example,
502
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,160
how men express their sense of who they are, who they can be.
503
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,400
The way Mick sang, the way you dressed.
504
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Did it feel like that at the time?
505
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,440
Did you feel like you were changing things at the time?
506
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,160
I don't think that you, in fairness,
507
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,240
are that aware of those perceptions at the time.
508
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,680
But I don't think it took us too long, slowly,
509
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,640
for us to realise... realise that...
510
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,440
that, yeah, you have something unique.
511
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,360
It's not me, and it's not the band,
512
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:28,560
it's just a unique meeting of cultures and...and time.
513
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,760
This could happen. The 60s were weird,
514
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,960
I basically think it's all to do with World War II,
515
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:43,360
it was just that generation bursting from that.
516
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,760
"Oh, forget about the war, please."
517
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,320
Don't you worry about What's on your mind, oh my
518
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,400
I'm in no hurry I can take my time, oh my
519
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,720
I'm going red And my tongue's getting tied
520
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,840
I'm off my head And my mouth's getting dry
521
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,280
I'm high, But I try, try, try, oh my
522
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200
Let's spend the night together
523
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,160
Now I need you more than ever
524
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Let's spend the night together now
525
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,600
# I feel so strong I can't disguise, oh my...
526
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,200
Not only did he invent a new way to play the guitar,
527
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,680
he invented a new way to dress.
528
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,640
No-one had actually worn women's clothes like that,
529
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,120
like trophies, you know?
530
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360
And his look on stage, you know?
531
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,760
He just had an intense thing about him,
532
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160
he looked kind of like a bird of prey.
533
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
If you look at pictures of Keith at the beginning of 1967,
534
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,600
and at the end of 67,
535
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,280
it's almost like you're looking at two different people.
536
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
The face changes, deepens.
537
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960
And you look at it and you realise,
538
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,360
stuff happened that year!
539
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,880
Talking about being sort of plugged into remarkable times,
540
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,760
there was a certain point when the story just does turn very dark.
541
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,120
Mm-hmm. Well, it depends on your idea of colour.
542
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,760
Yeah, yeah. We'll say dark.
543
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,640
It seems to happen sometime around 67, 68?
544
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,240
Errr...
545
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,720
Yeah, I would give that a good...
546
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:26,160
67, yeah. But I think it's very hard for me to discuss that period because,
547
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,200
not for any reason of not wanting to, it's just that we'd been working
548
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,400
non-stop, non-stop for four or five years,
549
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:40,680
and basically we'd pulled our string at that time,
550
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,720
just energy wise.
551
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:49,560
And at the same time that coincided with acid, and the psychedelic, hippy thing.
552
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,160
But obviously I was in full range of public view,
553
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,760
and in the raging glare of the CID.
554
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,840
All the teenage screaming and posturing vanished at the moment Judge Block passed sentence.
555
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,240
As he said sternly to Richard that the offence of which he had been found guilty
556
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,640
carried a maximum sentence of 10 years, there was a gasp of pure horror
557
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,200
from the youngsters crowded into the public gallery.
558
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,000
But there was a dead silence as the judge added, "You will go to prison for one year,
559
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,400
"and you will pay L500 towards the cost of the prosecution. Go down."
560
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,200
I'm one of the most famous drug addicts of all time. So they say.
561
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,800
I could have done better.
562
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,040
- I don't know what that would have involved!
- No, nor do I.
563
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,840
Richard, who earlier had talked in his evidence of what he called 'petty morals',
564
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,880
went down to the cells without expression.
565
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,560
A campaign against the harsh sentence succeeded,
566
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,520
and in the end, Keith spent just one night in prison.
567
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,120
Not much of a deterrent to his own escalating drug use.
568
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,200
Why was I doing heroin?
569
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,000
I think the reason I was taking it
570
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,320
was how to deal with fame and pressure.
571
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,160
And it's one way to run away.
572
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,600
And I ran away to the boppy.
573
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:45,320
I used it as a wall against me and fame, and the public bit.
574
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,920
I'm not really, you know...
575
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
..that way inclined to show off.
576
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,800
I'd have been quite happy to make all these records totally anonymously,
577
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520
but then of course, I mean that's not possible.
578
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,480
You've got to get out there and put yourself out.
579
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,600
He found it horrific, I think. He says in the book, he didn't like being a pop star.
580
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,760
Doris, his mother, said, "Keith's a shy boy," and he hated that.
581
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,600
He felt she kind of betrayed him, but she had a point.
582
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,000
The big problem for Keith was not when he was playing or on tour,
583
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,320
it was after the tour, when the tour was over.
584
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,360
Coming down from this massive daily shot of adrenaline
585
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:37,480
of the kind that you and I would never experience in that kind of intensity.
586
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,800
The replacement was clearly, in his case, needed.
587
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,560
But there were other people around you, people you lost, people like Brian Jones, Gram Parsons,
588
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,520
who weren't able to, either they didn't have such a strong
589
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,360
constitution as you, or they didn't have the same mental attitude? I don't know.
590
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,760
Nor do I.
591
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,800
I'm not here to answer for my brothers.
592
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,920
I've lost a lot of good friends that way.
593
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:23,360
Brian's increasingly erratic behaviour culminated in him leaving the band in June, 1969.
594
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
By July, he was dead.
595
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,720
Yes, I wish some of my friends hadn't done that and overdone it.
596
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,520
You know, at the time, you just looked at it as par for the course.
597
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Although it was a shock when it actually happened,
598
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,360
nobody was really that surprised. There are...
599
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480
I'm sure that everybody's got those feelings... certain people...
600
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,720
everybody knows people that you just have that feeling about.
601
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,200
They're not going to be 70 years old, ever. You know.
602
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,040
Not everybody makes it, you know?
603
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,760
The Stones decided to go ahead with their free concert in Hyde Park just two days later.
604
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,960
They released hundreds of white butterflies as a tribute to Brian.
605
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,920
MUSIC: "Jumpin' Jack Flash"
606
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,920
More than 2,000 Negroes joined the rioting crowds who attacked white police and firemen.
607
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,960
The rioting raged for more three hours.
608
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,040
The fires blazed up in six shops and an apartment house.
609
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,000
The night sky of Alabama glowed red with the flames of racial strife.
610
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,240
I was born in a cross-fire hurricane
611
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,480
And I howled at my ma in the driving rain...
612
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,840
Bombs in Vietnam explode at home.
613
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:20,080
They destroy the dream and possibility for a decent America.
614
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,280
I'm Jumping Jack Flash It's a gas, gas, gas...
615
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,440
This started with the '69 tour. We totally had no idea.
616
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,600
We were young. We were naive. We were in our 20s, and we were coming
617
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:48,400
into America and not realising the depth of the political...insanity.
618
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:54,440
As the '69 tour progressed, plans for its grand finale started to come together.
619
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,920
The Rolling Stones' free concert is going to be on tomorrow at the Altamont Speedway.
620
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Apparently, it's one of the most difficult things in the world to give a free concert.
621
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,920
It's creating a sort of microcosmic society,
622
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:21,600
which it sets the example to the rest of America as to how one can behave in life's gatherings.
623
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,320
It was mayhem, and you wonder why...
624
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,000
this is what you want to do? This wasn't the idea.
625
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,080
You know, you wanted to play music, and people would go...
626
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,120
And suddenly, it's... It's another thing.
627
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,480
The brutality meted out by the Hell's Angels, naively hired by the band to provide security,
628
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,440
turned the concert into a horror show.
629
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,440
Brothers and sisters...
630
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,440
come on, now.
631
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,880
That means everybody just cool out.
632
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,000
Will you cool out, everybody.
633
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:18,560
Hopefully, nobody gets hurt that much, you know, but a lot of people did.
634
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,640
It just was a very embattled situation.
635
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,800
I think the best documentation of that
636
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,840
is the Maysles film Gimme Shelter because you just look at that, and you really see what it felt like.
637
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,400
This is Stefan Ponek, KSAN radio, San Francisco.
638
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,680
While the Rolling Stones' tour of the United States is over, it ended up with a concert
639
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,840
at the Altamont Speedway for more than 300,000 people.
640
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,480
There were four births, four deaths and an awful lot of scuffles reported.
641
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,640
We received word that someone was stabbed to death
642
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,920
in front of the stage by a member of the Hell's Angels.
643
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Nothing is confirmed on that. We were there. We didn't see it, but we did see a lot.
644
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,720
We want to know now what you saw.
645
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,120
If Woodstock was the dream, then Altamont, only three months later, was the nightmare.
646
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,240
Who can say what killed the hippy idealism of the '60s,
647
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,640
but it was violence and regret that replaced it.
648
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,560
The end of the decade was a strange, troubled time.
649
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:36,680
But as the '60s went up in flames, the Rolling Stones played some of their greatest music.
650
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,080
MUSIC: "Gimme Shelter"
651
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,840
Oh, a storm is threat'ning
652
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,840
My very life today
653
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400
If I don't get some shelter
654
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,480
Oh yeah, I'm gonna fade away
655
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,880
War, children, it's just a shot away
656
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,520
It's just a shot away
657
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,760
War, children, it's just a shot away
658
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,240
It's just a shot away....
659
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,520
The drugs couldn't get him, nor the police,
660
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:35,840
nor the crazy groupies, not even a near-fatal fall from a coconut tree could divert Keith from his destiny.
661
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,920
As the years have rolled by, it's the music that's remained centre stage,
662
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,360
music that's as influential today as it has ever been.
663
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,640
I think Keith is an innovator.
664
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,720
He's changed the way the electric guitar sounds.
665
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,360
He's made his own completely unique rock 'n' roll music.
666
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,240
I've played with a zillion guitar players.
667
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:14,520
In Nashville... can't swing a cat without hitting a guitar player here,
668
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,200
and I've never played with anyone that plays that guitar just like he does.
669
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,400
Rape, murder....
670
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,400
I ain't getting all gushy and mushy about it, but the man's
671
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000
got something inside him that is really special and unique.
672
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:40,640
I can see Keith playing until he, literally, until he falls over dead.
673
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,280
One of the things that comes out very strongly from the way you write
674
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,440
in the book is the joy of being in the moment of playing a song
675
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,360
and of people listening to the song.
676
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,920
And of the other band members performing the song and the song coming together.
677
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,560
I think if I take one thing from the whole book, it's that the best thing in your whole life is that.
678
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,160
- I mean, I might be wrong...
- Yeah, you've probably put the nail on the head there.
679
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,120
It's watching something little...
680
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,640
idea...
681
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,840
And just the way it's picked up.
682
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,360
It's something you had no hopes for, particularly.
683
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,400
You know, you just have ideas.
684
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:31,320
You say, oh, I've got this one, you know, and just to see the interaction of other people. But it's also that
685
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,840
very enforcing... of bringing the right guys together
686
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:43,480
and recognising their talent and what they have and... And even then making you realise that you have some, too.
687
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Sometime I think, I'd throw out a piece of crap and "That's great!"
688
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,000
Then I'd suddenly realise, it's not so bad after all.
689
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,960
You know, the thing is... first off, they've got to turn the band on.
690
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,880
If I come up with a song or an idea and I play it and everybody's going around...
691
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,400
mmm...
692
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,800
21!
693
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,160
And they're playing cards and smoking, the song's not good, right?
694
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:14,640
And it never will be any good, at least in this band, you know, and so you just... you dump that.
695
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,320
You don't take it as an offence or you dump that and come up with another idea.
696
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,560
You have to throw it against this canvas of other guys.
697
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,040
And they're, like, the jury.
698
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,640
What's really interesting about Keith and the Rolling Stones is he was always, I mean,
699
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,160
and it was probably missed by the early stuff, he was the real musical driver behind this thing.
700
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:39,240
And the fact is, to this day, he is fiercely proud of the Rolling Stones and the music they produce.
701
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,320
MUSIC: "Jumpin' Jack Flash"
702
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,440
Keith's probably the least surprised of all the band that the Rolling Stones are still together.
703
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:04,960
After all, his template all along was the blues man of the Mississippi Delta still playing into their 80s.
704
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,680
But it's all right now
705
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,040
In fact it's a gas...
706
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,960
And after almost 50 years, maybe they're just now hitting their stride.
707
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,120
I'm Jumping Jack Flash It's a gas, gas, gas...
708
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,160
I don't know what's kept the band together all these years because, by rights,
709
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,920
they should have broken up so many times
710
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:36,280
just because of the fights or the substances or the relationships or...
711
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,280
There were just so many things.
712
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,840
And it's... it just is really extraordinary.
713
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,840
I think it's just in the personality of Mick and Keith, really.
714
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:53,080
In the book, actually, I must say, I was expecting there might be a bit of rancour and vituperation.
715
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:59,160
What I was struck by that how extremely affectionate your criticisms of him are.
716
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,800
I'm glad it came over that way to you.
717
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,320
I always...
718
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,040
For me, the classic example is when you're talking about the fact that, for you,
719
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:15,520
Mick Jagger was absolutely great at performing in a small space
720
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,000
where you could appreciate his delicacy of movement.
721
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,840
And that he lost it a bit when it turned into the big-stadium Rolling Stones
722
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,480
and he started turning to dance instructors for routines.
723
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,000
There's a great line in the book where you say,
724
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,040
"Charlie and I, we always know when Mick's being plastic.
725
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,200
"We've been watching his arse for 40 years."
726
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,000
That's what we do!
727
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,560
We're there to...
728
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:45,360
as a safety net for Mick that we watch that bum...
729
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,600
Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh.
730
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,240
Just to make sure he doesn't miss a beat and if he does, we switch the beat.
731
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,760
It's complicated, but it's just like instinctive.
732
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,960
I love the man...
733
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:03,400
Can be a pain sometimes, but no doubt I can.
734
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:09,640
But working with a bunch of people for this amount of time is, you know, it is fairly unique.
735
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,160
And...
736
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,280
And I wouldn't have missed it for the world, man.
737
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,680
And next... wait until I put him back to work...
738
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,440
Hard task master. Good luck.
739
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,200
Bless you, Andrew. Thank you. It's been a pleasure to talk to you.
740
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,160
- It's been a pleasure to talk to you.
- Cool.
741
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,480
You can't always get what you want
742
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,760
You can't always get what you want
743
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,800
You can't always get what you want
744
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,560
But if you try sometimes
745
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,400
Well, you might find
746
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,960
You get what you need
747
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,080
Ahh...
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