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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,160 MUSIC: Brown Sugar by The Rolling Stones. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,480 The Rolling Stones, the greatest rock band of all-time. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:13,280 And standing in the shadows, Keith Richards, the enigmatic, beating heart of the band. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,600 Part human riff, part sheer phenomenon, 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,200 he exists, for me, on stage, caught between the spotlights, wielding his guitar like a weapon. 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:30,400 Astonishing, other-worldly and, against all the odds, still alive. 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:42,840 And now he's written the book many people thought he couldn't even remember, his autobiography, "Life". 8 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Just around midnight 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,480 Brown sugar How come you dance so good? 10 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,360 MUSIC: Under My Thumb by The Rolling Stones. 11 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,760 Keith, known as the man with 12 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,800 five strings and nine lives, began his career on the London 13 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:18,680 R&B scene in the early Sixties, a backroom blues fanatic, hypnotised by the sounds of black America. 14 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:26,120 By the end of the decade, his style of guitar-playing had changed rock'n'roll forever. 15 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:33,160 Under my thumb the girl who once had me down... 16 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:40,040 The Sixties was an era of reinvention, and the Stones rode the wave of revolutionary change. 17 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:46,520 They became an antidote to post-war oppression, the very embodiment of sex and drugs and rock'n'roll. 18 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,160 For Keith, this was the decade that made the man. 19 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,120 She's under my thumb. 20 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,360 'So, I've read the book, but now I get to meet the man himself.' 21 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Say it's all right. 22 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,600 You say, at one point, that image casts a long shadow. 23 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Slightly enigmatic, that. 24 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:18,480 I take it to mean that all the images that have accumulated around you, you feel, have cast 25 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:25,600 a shadow, and is this book a way of, as it were, coming out of the shadow of all the images of Keith Richards? 26 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,080 I've always been looking forward, 27 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,240 and then suddenly, "Oh yeah, a book, OK." 28 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,360 But when you actually have to review your whole life and 29 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,520 go through the process of it, you know... 30 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,960 I don't know, everybody should try it. 31 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:51,440 What I mean is, if I came to the book, which I did, not having met you, I came to the book with 32 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,800 - the image of Keith Richards that I grew up with. - Oh, that one. 33 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,280 The saturnine, astonishing, vampire-like figure stalking the stage and then I'm reading the book, 34 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:09,640 and I'm discovering that Keith Richards was once a choirboy who performed at Westminster Abbey. 35 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:13,160 That Keith Richards was in the Boy Scouts. That's what I mean, 36 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,240 - that suddenly you become a real person. - I know. 37 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,480 I mean, I loved being a choirboy. I was a very good soprano. But I... 38 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,680 MUSIC: You Can't Always Get What You Want by The Rolling Stones. 39 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,600 But also it was my first experience of the pink slip. 40 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,600 When the voice broke, 41 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,640 I think it says it in the book, there were two other guys and we were all 42 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:46,160 good sopranos and we had done some stuff around in London and sang for the Queen. 43 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,960 You know, when you're 12 or something, that's a big deal. 44 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,440 And also you got a free bus ride to London. 45 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Yeah, boys! 46 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,600 But the way you put it in the book, you had this benevolent choirmaster, 47 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,880 and then your voice broke and they sling you out. 48 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,880 That seems to me to be a really important turning point in your life. 49 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,840 That seemed to be the point where you decided that school 50 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,560 and authority was not what you were going to follow. 51 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,160 It probably was, and the more I thought about that... 52 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,240 This is where the rebel got born. 53 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 And I think it was just 54 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,800 totally unfair treatment, as we were concerned. 55 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:26,720 We sung our hearts out for this school, and then it was just like... 56 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,600 the boot. And you think, "Oh, welcome to life." HE LAUGHS 57 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,200 - CHOIR: - You can't always get what you want... 58 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,760 You can't always get what you want... 59 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:48,040 I wanted nothing to do with authority, I just found it all superfluous and unfair. 60 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,400 DOOR SLAMS 61 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:57,080 I find the beginning of the book very evocative of this London, 62 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,600 or Dartford, almost on the suburban fringes of London. 63 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,520 - Suburbs. - You are growing up, and you describe it in very bleak terms. 64 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,080 I suppose what I was trying to put across was that 65 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:17,360 you were growing up in the residue of a huge World War, but you didn't know anything about it. 66 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,040 It was just the way things were. 67 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:32,040 You know, a bomb site here, and, "No, you can't have that, we don't have any ration tickets left." 68 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,920 I mean, it wasn't unusual. You didn't feel hard done by, it was just the way it was. 69 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,920 He was born in 1943, right slap in the middle of the war. 70 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:50,040 He says that this has had a very profound effect on him. 71 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,000 SIREN 72 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,160 When he watches Second World War films, when he hears a siren, his hair stands up on end. 73 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,440 And it must be to do with being hustled down to a shelter with his mum. 74 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,240 It's a very powerful metaphor for me, in the book, that you say it 75 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:19,240 was as if London was under fog, and you say it was also as if there was a fog between people. 76 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:25,520 They couldn't express to each other. There was all this repression, pent up repression. 77 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,640 Was music your way out of that? 78 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Yes, yes, it was. 79 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:38,360 And, gratefully to my mum, who was a beautiful music freak and had incredible taste, 80 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,680 I grew up listening to Sarah Vaughan, 81 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,720 Louis Armstrong, Billy Eckstine and a little dash of Mozart here and there. 82 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,440 It was a lovely wide range, and I would just soak this up without thinking. 83 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,280 And we always had this soundtrack going on, which no doubt influenced me an awful lot. 84 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,560 I always remember my mother saying, 85 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,400 she'd be in the kitchen, cooking, and she would say, "Did you hear that Blue Note?" 86 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:16,720 I need your love so badly... 87 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,720 They were very close. 88 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,800 He was an only child, and Doris was on his side. 89 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,600 His father was a distant figure. 90 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,120 Not much speech, not much talk. 91 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,520 He said he loved his dad because he was his dad, but for no other reason. 92 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Right at the end of the book, he just tells a story about how his 93 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,280 first good review came from Doris, that's the thing he remembers. 94 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,040 When one day he was playing the guitar, as he used to, 95 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,760 on the top of the stairs in the house in Dartford where he got the best acoustics he could get. 96 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,680 And Doris said to him, 97 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,440 "Is that you? I thought it was the radio." 98 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,400 A big breakthrough moment. 99 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,680 First review. First good review. 100 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,280 Well, since my baby left me 101 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,760 Well, I've found a new place to dwell 102 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,200 Well, it's down at the end of Lonely Street 103 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,680 At Heartbreak Hotel I'll be so lonely, baby... 104 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,400 You say that, at a certain point, whether it was a 105 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,120 - day or an evening, you heard Elvis Presley's song, Heartbreak Hotel. - Hmm-mm. 106 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,320 And it was as if the world before you heard that song and the world after you heard that song weren't 107 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,000 the same place. That somehow a new thing had opened up for you. 108 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,920 In my mind the world went from black and white to technicolour. 109 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,200 MUSIC: Heartbreak Hotel by Elvis Presley 110 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,960 There was a spark, yes. Suddenly I hear this music out of nowhere... 111 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,720 It was suddenly as if everything had come into focus, you know? 112 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,680 And that's all you wanted to do. 113 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,360 As Britain dragged itself out of the economic mire of post-war austerity, 114 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,880 an alternative pop culture opened up for the newly minted teen generation. 115 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Keith's continuing obsession with music 116 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,680 meant another turning point was just around the corner. 117 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,440 His academic life was not dazzling, it has to be said. 118 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,280 He was almost going to be relegated to secondary modern, 119 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,920 which is basically a preparation for manual work. 120 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,640 But he was quite good at art, so he got to Sidcup Art School, 121 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,520 and that was really where the guitar took over. 122 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,760 I don't know how much art was done, but a helluva lot of guitar-playing was done. 123 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,600 There was a space somewhere in art school. 124 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:27,520 If you weren't doing your classes, it was music. 125 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,520 David Bowie went there, Dick Taylor, who went into the Pretty Things. 126 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,680 Charlie Watts was at Hornchurch School of Art. 127 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:40,400 But there was a breeding ground of music that was going on. 128 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,600 # Come on take a little walk with me Arlene... " 129 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,920 Keith had a thing about Scotty Moore, who was Elvis' guitarist. 130 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,040 That was what he was trying to emulate. 131 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:01,120 And that was when everybody else was playing folky, bluesy, Leadbelly, 132 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,520 San Francisco Bay blues. 133 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,120 He was looked down on a bit. 134 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,080 Rock'n'roll was not considered rather infra dig, in the art school, at that time. 135 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,720 It wasn't sort of clever enough. 136 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,040 It was to do with yobbos and dressing up as Teds. 137 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,920 He had one foot in the Ted camp and another in the moddish camp. 138 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:27,760 I remember every day I'd come in on the bus, and walking up Sidcup Hill 139 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:34,240 would be this character in very tight jeans, slightly pointy shoes, 140 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:40,600 a purple shirt, and if it was below about ten below, 141 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,240 then he would possibly wear a Wrangler jacket. 142 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:52,160 Either he had an inexhaustible supply of purple shirts, or it was a very well-worn one. 143 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,720 Sweet little sixteen 144 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,760 She's just got to have 145 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,520 About a half a million 146 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,840 Signed autographs 147 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,600 Keith was a tremendous fan of Chuck Berry. 148 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,640 When Jazz On A Summer's Day came out, a great documentary about 149 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,160 the Newport Jazz Festival, Chuck Berry was in it, 150 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:24,000 and Keith went to see it more than a dozen times just so he could see his hero. 151 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,240 O, Daddy, Daddy! 152 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,000 As it turned out, Keith wasn't the only Chuck Berry fan in Dartford. 153 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Michael Philip Jagger was an old classmate from primary school. 154 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,000 They'd lived just one street apart as children 155 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,920 but it was a chance meeting on a train that would reignite their interest in each other. 156 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,760 BLUES HARMONICA 157 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,080 All aboard! 158 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,960 To find out that a guy you'd known that long, who you hadn't seen for that long, 159 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:06,600 is actually focusing on exactly the same thing that you are, such a meeting of minds at the time. 160 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,760 He had the records to prove it. 161 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,600 He was on the train with the records, the Muddy Waters, the Best of Muddy Waters, 162 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Rocking at the Hops, Chuck Berry, 163 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:24,120 and there was another... Newport, The Jazz - Blues Festival. 164 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,720 And I'm looking at this guy and I'm, "I know you." 165 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,640 And what you've got under your arm is worth robbing. 166 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,240 - Was it, you're one of us. - So, instead of robbing him, we talked 167 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,640 and shared ideas and that's how it really came about. 168 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,680 Keith joined Mick Jagger in Dick Taylor's band, 169 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:45,480 Little Boy Blue And The Blue Boys. 170 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,800 And together they began attending the jazz and blues nights at the Ealing Club. 171 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,120 It was there that they came across a young slide guitarist called Brian Jones. 172 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:59,040 By the autumn of '62, Brian, Mick and Keith would all be living under one roof. 173 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Edith Grove was the flat that Keith, Mick and Brian moved into. 174 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,640 I went round a few times and it was the worst slum 175 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,200 I've ever seen. 176 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,760 It was absolutely incredible. 177 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,440 Nobody knew whose bed was whose. 178 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,080 Mostly they slept on the floor near the radiogram. 179 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,120 They slept where they fell, as it were. 180 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,560 Over the coldest winter in memory since 17-something. 181 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,040 Tell me what you did that winter. It sounds extraordinary 182 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,480 that you were playing records by people like Chuck Berry. 183 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,320 Jimmy Reeves, Muddy Waters, Little Walter, 184 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Bobby Bland, BB King, Buddy Guy, 185 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,360 Elmore James. 186 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Can I mention all the greats? 187 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,640 We just studied them, day in, day out. 188 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,080 With no heat. And no food most of the time! 189 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,120 But at that age, you know, you can live off of nothing. 190 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,960 What you have in this moment is an absolute obsession with music 191 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,560 and this sponging in of all this stuff, 192 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,680 from the Mississippi Delta, from Chicago and so on. 193 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,440 So that, in a way, when they emerged, 194 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,000 they did sound like black musicians. 195 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,600 It was the authentic sound. 196 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,680 Everything is wrong since me and my baby parted 197 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,880 All day long I walked because I couldn't get my car started 198 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,560 Laid up on my job And I can't afford to check it 199 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,720 I wish somebody'd come along and run into it and wreck it, come on 200 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,640 Since me and my baby parted, come on 201 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,680 # I can't get started, come on 202 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,880 I can't afford to check it 203 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,360 I wish somebody'd come along and run into it and wreck it... 204 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,040 'We had nothing to lose. 205 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,920 'And we were playing and listening,' 206 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,920 and our desire was to turn people on to the blues. 207 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,160 And that was... You know, we didn't want nothing for it. 208 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,960 We just wanted people to sort of say, woah! 209 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,760 And then it started to happen. 210 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,200 Suddenly, overnight almost, at the Ealing club, or the Richmond club, 211 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,520 before they had made a recording, there were queues around the block. 212 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,280 And it happened in the space of two or three weeks. 213 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,240 First you had these little groups of aficionados coming to hear R'n'B, 214 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,480 people coming... R'n'B fans coming from the North to hear this new band. 215 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,040 Before they had made a record. 216 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Suddenly they were doing this thing that Keith in his diary calls "wonging the pog," 217 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,000 which meant everyone going totally crazy. 218 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,680 On those nights when they played, when they were starting, 219 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,480 they played every Jimmy Reeves song they knew. 220 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,120 They played every Muddy Waters song, every Howlin' Wolf song. 221 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,400 They were just devotees beyond the call of sanity. 222 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,960 It was just a fascinating journey. 223 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,240 And presumptuous, of 18-year-old white kids from London 224 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,880 to say, "We're going to be the best blues band in London." 225 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,000 In retrospect, the ludicrous aim of all. 226 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 But a very short retrospect, 227 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,640 because almost as soon as you feel that you've got somewhere, 228 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,120 you're on the TV 229 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:26,600 - and you've got a hit record. - I know... 230 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,520 And, "Oh, what are we going to do now?" You were what, 20? 231 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,480 When suddenly you are performing in front of what you describe as... 232 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,480 - This is... - ..thousands of "feral" female teenagers. 233 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,840 Oh, they were rabid. 234 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,480 I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be 235 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,360 You're gonna give your love to me 236 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,240 I'm gonna love you night and day 237 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,360 And well you know my love'll not fade away... 238 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,240 Decca Records, who'd missed out on signing the Beatles, 239 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,720 jumped at the chance to secure the Stones. 240 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,400 By the autumn of 1963, they were touring with their idols. 241 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,720 By February '64, they had their first Top Ten hit with Not Fade Away. 242 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,160 Stones mania was reaching fever pitch. 243 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:36,280 These sets were very short. Now they do two hours or something like that. 244 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,920 They were on for 20 minutes, maybe. 245 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,840 And the riot was three hours. 246 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,960 I don't know how to describe that thing. I mean... 247 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,080 You're 18, you're playing your blues, you know... 248 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,400 And within a matter of months, 249 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,960 suddenly woman are trying to tear your clothes off. 250 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,560 And in actual fact almost kill me a couple of times, 251 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,600 and also killing themselves. They're jumping off of balconies. 252 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,000 I'd be like, "This is not quite what I had in mind." 253 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,880 - Could you hear yourself actually playing? - Nah, nah, nah. 254 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,480 Brian and I used to play Popeye the Sailor Man 255 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:35,520 because nobody could hear anything. HUMS POPEYE TUNE 256 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,040 They couldn't hear it, we couldn't hear it! 257 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,160 SCREAMING 258 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,680 I said, the joint was rockin' 259 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,720 Goin' round and round 260 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Yeah, reelin' and a-rockin' 261 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,400 What a crazy sound 262 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,160 And they never stop rockin' 263 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,960 Till the moon went down. 264 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:05,200 The only thing that you could hear, just shrieking teenage female... 265 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,120 And it's very impressive. 266 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,880 Especially in her body! 267 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,560 I said, the joint was rockin' 268 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,560 Goin' round and round... 269 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,840 I can handle one at a time, you know, but 3,000? Whoa! 270 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,560 - What does that do to you as a person? - I don't know. 271 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,000 I'm still recovering, man! 272 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,880 No longer blues purists, the Rolling Stones were now pop stars. 273 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,480 So far, the band had only released covers, 274 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,160 so manager Andrew Oldham now set Keith and Mick to work on writing their own songs. 275 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,760 I found an interesting part of your book, 276 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,080 you were talking about what you liked about your own music 277 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,520 is that you said it's like a blank canvas. 278 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Well, if I could put it the same way as, er... 279 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,200 If you're an author, a writer, 280 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,080 and what do you have in front of you? A blank piece of paper. 281 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,520 And then you have to say something. 282 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:09,200 But in front of you, staring at you, is this blankness. 283 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,600 And in musical terms, silence is the same thing. 284 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,680 That is your canvas, silence. 285 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,240 And it's what you do... over that silence. 286 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,000 You don't want to obliterate it, 287 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,760 because it can also, you can use it, 288 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,360 because it becomes, like, the depth, or you know... It's... 289 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:32,280 But somewhere you've got to make some noise over that silence. 290 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,320 'It's almost intuitive. 291 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,920 'You do it by feel, really, and instinct.' 292 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,200 It's very compelling. It sucks me right in. 293 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,880 I hear him playing and churnin' away on that thing, 294 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,880 I want to get my horn and join in. 295 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,520 Sounds like... It's like you hear a parade coming down the street, man, 296 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,400 you want to rush out your door and see what's goin' on. 297 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,920 'That ain't something you can just dial up at will.' 298 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,600 You can't snort it, you can't smoke it, 299 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:14,160 you can't rub it in your belly button. You know, it's just, very... 300 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,040 organic. Ha-ha! 301 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,880 - REPORTER: - This year was the year of the mods and rockers and of the hooliganism, 302 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,840 vandalism and fighting which often walked with them. 303 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,080 This same senseless build up of endless disorder was repeated. 304 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,400 After this early burst of success, 305 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320 this meant that you could then have an American tour. 306 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,680 And you say that going to America, to you, 307 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,840 felt like going to the promised land. 308 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,720 Basically, this is where the music I was listening to, 309 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,000 all the musicians that I listened to, this is where they were. 310 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,920 They were in America. 311 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,960 I was 3,000 closer miles to... 312 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,120 Muddy Waters, to Chuck Berry. 313 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:09,640 Bo Diddley, Little Walter, Buddy Guy. 314 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,640 I was that much closer to the source, 315 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,920 and I think that's what I meant by saying "The promised land." 316 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,400 MUSIC: "Broken-Hearted Blues" by Buddy Guy 317 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,840 It was so exciting, and it was brand new. 318 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,920 It was like you'd been dumped in your favourite playground 319 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,880 and, OK, and you can go on forever. Until you drop. 320 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,920 We were just so interested. 321 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,200 We felt it was a gift, coming to America. 322 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,880 In our teenage minds. 323 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:11,000 I mean, suddenly to be transplanted from some wannabe, 324 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,040 and actually to play in America, 325 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,720 and they give you a bigger hand than you get at home. 326 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:23,240 And wow, there's areas to be explored we didn't even know about. 327 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,840 All we've heard is their recordings. 328 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,520 Now you meet the people. 329 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,200 I put a tiger in your tank 330 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840 I put a tiger in your tank 331 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,040 I put a tiger in your tank 332 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520 I put a tiger in your tank 333 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,640 I don't care what they say 334 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,120 I, I put a tiger in your tank. 335 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,280 I mean, Muddy Waters, these guys were amazing. 336 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,880 They come from nowhere. 337 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,360 I don't come from somewhere, 338 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,760 but these guys come literally from nowhere. 339 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,360 And just by sheer force of talent and strength of character, 340 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,320 they laid something down. 341 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,640 I'm only a mere copy of it. 342 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,240 To me, you know? 343 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,160 Well, baby used to stay out all night long 344 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,680 She made me cry She done me wrong 345 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,880 She hurt my eyes open, that's no lie 346 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,040 Table's turning, now, her turn to cry 347 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,560 Because I used to love her, but it's all over now. 348 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,920 But when you're actually touring America, 349 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,560 the situation you seem to describe is one where, particularly outside, say, New York, 350 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,720 the main metropolitan centres, 351 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:06,120 you're being met with intense suspicion by ordinary white people. 352 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,320 And yet, when you cross over the tracks, as you put it, 353 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,520 among the black communities of America, 354 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,600 you're met with a very warm reception. 355 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,200 Very welcoming. I think maybe it was because of the music we were playing. 356 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Our stuff is very grounded in black music, in blues, 357 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,040 and rhythm and blues. 358 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:30,200 And there was a certain reciprocation, a feeling 359 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,760 which to me was a great joy. 360 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,000 I am the Little Red Rooster 361 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,840 Too lazy to crow for day 362 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,080 I am the Little Red Rooster 363 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,880 Too lazy to crow for day 364 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,960 Keep everything in the farmyard 365 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280 Upset in every way. 366 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,320 A lot of those black musicians were not very well appreciated in commercial terms. 367 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,600 No, at that time, I mean, probably we resuscitated 368 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,920 several careers, just because we did some Muddy Waters. 369 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,160 Muddy, at the time, was not selling a lot of records. 370 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,080 I think the really extraordinary thing about getting to America for the Stones 371 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,720 was to get this inkling that a lot of white musicians had never heard black music 372 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,720 until they heard the Rolling Stones doing it. 373 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,160 So their contribution to the whole musical history 374 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,400 was actually to turn America on to its own music. 375 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,680 MUSIC: "Got My Mojo Working" by Muddy Waters 376 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,280 We grew into it, and the music grew into us. 377 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:38,240 And America changed rapidly in those, '64, '65. 378 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,720 It was another world. 379 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,560 America's capable of switching, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. 380 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,280 America was to become Keith's spiritual home. 381 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,560 But his admiration for the black musicians of blues labels like Chess Records 382 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,760 proved to be out of step with a country still struggling with segregation and civil rights. 383 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,480 Black people should realise that freedom is something that they have when they're born. 384 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,920 We need an organisation that's ready and willing to take action. 385 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:15,960 Because we intend to fire our people up so much, until if they can't have their equal share in the house, 386 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,800 they'll burn it down. 387 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880 CHEERING 388 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,040 Kind of dangerous. 389 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,880 Yeah. 390 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,560 But interesting, and I just happen to be there on that cusp. 391 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,920 And it was endlessly fascinating, you know, America. 392 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,560 After Dartford! 393 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,840 Above all are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. 394 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,760 I looked through the list of the amount of tours that you did, between 62 and 67. 395 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,920 I mean it's astonishing number of tours. 396 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,440 Mostly by road. 397 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,040 But it must have taken its toll? Did it not take its toll? 398 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Maybe I'm feeling it now, but I never felt, I'd have willingly paid the toll again. 399 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,600 They were on the road without stop for maybe four years, 400 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,000 64, 65, 66. 67 was the first year they actually got kind of a break. 401 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Literally, there was no time off at all during that period. It was relentless. 402 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,000 After a show like this, you've got to go home and write lyrics, 403 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,240 because you have to keep the stuff coming out, or you die. 404 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:37,160 You kind of fall back. So they pumped out this staggering amount of material, it's just unbelievable. 405 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,280 The hallmark sound of the Stones was realised in the track Satisfaction, 406 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,280 their first international hit, which captured the attitude and velocity of the band 407 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,560 as they hurtled through the decade. 408 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,880 Satisfaction, as far as I can tell, you seem to have believed 409 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,360 that when you recorded it, what you'd recorded was a demo. 410 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,920 Yeah, it was to me. 411 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,120 And then, before you know it, it's actually been released, 412 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,320 because the pressure was so much on to produce in those early years. You've got to build.... 413 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,960 And the pressure, and also maybe superfluous ideas of how it should go 414 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440 were beyond our capabilities, 415 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,720 but that was what I consider the sketch. 416 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:24,680 It was actually it. It's like a Leonardo cartoon, you know? 417 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,200 How could he do cartoons? 418 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,960 But Andrew Oldham, in that respect, and the record company, were right. That's a hit. 419 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:39,360 So I'm on the road, and it's out, and I'm very happy it's a hit. 420 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,920 It was the biggest one, you know, whoa! 421 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,480 I can't get no satisfaction 422 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:11,080 I can't get no satisfaction 423 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,680 Cos I try, and I try 424 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,800 And I try, and I try 425 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,800 I can't get no 426 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360 I can't get no 427 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,600 When I'm driving in my car... 428 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,680 It was born on a cassette player, pushed through a cassette player, and then re-recorded somehow 429 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:39,600 to make this crude sound, a sound which just completely took rock and roll to new levels, 430 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,200 changed the world and all that kind of thing. 431 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,040 Can't get no 432 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,800 No, no, no 433 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,080 Hey, hey, hey 434 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,640 That's what I say... 435 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,640 For my mind, the da-daah da-da-daaah, that was supposed to be a horn section line. 436 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,560 Otis Redding got it totally, a few months later, and he did a great cover of it. 437 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,000 That was how I was hearing it, but at the same time, it wasn't the Stones. 438 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,800 I can't get no 439 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,680 I can't get no... 440 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,160 I had it right the first time, and thank God we got it, 441 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,000 and kept the sketch, rather than doing the whole oil painting. 442 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,800 I can't get no 443 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,200 I can't get no... 444 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,680 That was perfect, it was fabulous, it just felt it was your music. 445 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:44,200 And it wasn't high-minded protest, like the early Bob Dylan stuff. 446 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,680 It was what Bobby Keeter called 'balls to the wall rock and roll'. Great. 447 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,680 No satisfaction. 448 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,000 CHEERING 449 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,840 So, do you think, in a way, there was the pressure to create singles? 450 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,000 There was a great pressure, but in some ways, do you feel 451 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,400 that actually liberated you not to overwork your material and just to go with it? 452 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,640 They didn't give you the time for it. 453 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,840 I mean, I think I say in the book, we were all taking a big breath, 454 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,080 Satisfaction is number one around the world and we can't believe it. 455 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,360 "Yes," you know? 456 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,360 Meanwhile, there's a knock at the door going, "Where's the follow-up?" 457 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,600 I live on an apartment On the 99th floor of my block 458 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,480 And I sit at home Looking out the window 459 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,040 Imagining the world has stopped 460 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,680 Then in flies a guy All dressed up like a Union Jack 461 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,400 And he says, I've won L5 If I have this kind of detergent pack 462 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,000 I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud 463 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,880 Hey! You! Get off of my cloud 464 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,080 Hey! You! Get off of my cloud 465 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,840 Don't hang around, boy Two's a crowd... 466 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,880 But at one point in the book you say that what you want from a song, 467 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,080 I don't know if this is still true, 468 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,240 you say what you want from a song is not that it sounds like it was made in a studio, 469 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,320 but it sounds like it was made in a room. 470 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,520 True, yeah. I don't like big productions, 471 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,120 and, after all, with the Rolling Stones big productions are really out of the picture. 472 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,160 I have a very limited orchestra to work with. 473 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,200 Basically I've got to write with the idea of just four, five guys involved in this. 474 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,520 Anything else is your marzipan. 475 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,800 It's such a pleasure to be in the studio with them, 476 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,280 because they just gather around a microphone 477 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,360 and look at each other, and play whatever they want to play. 478 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,840 And some of it is the worst garbage you can imagine. 479 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,560 Please let me introduce myself 480 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,840 I'm a man of wealth and taste 481 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,520 I've been around Many a long, long year 482 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,760 Stole many a man's soul and faith... 483 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,920 It's pretty remarkable that they were able to capture that on film. 484 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520 This was a time when extraordinary things happened, 485 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,480 as in you really get to see 486 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,480 the creation of the track of Sympathy For The Devil. 487 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:39,560 I lay traps for troubadours who get killed before they reach Bombay 488 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,840 Woo woo! 489 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,560 Pleased to meet y'all now hope you guess my name 490 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,120 Woo woo! 491 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,520 What's puzzling you 492 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,040 Is the nature of my game 493 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080 Yeah, get down... 494 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,360 MUSIC: "Sympathy For The Devil by the Rolling Stones 495 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680 The summer of 1967 was Keith's own summer of love. 496 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,640 He began a relationship with Brian Jones's girlfriend, Anita Pallenberg, 497 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,040 which was to have a profound impact on more than just the band dynamics. 498 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,000 Keith was reborn as a psychedelic sex symbol. 499 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,680 His image was to influence a generation. 500 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,240 In retrospect, history says that you were part of a change in consciousness, 501 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,080 you were part of a change in, for example, 502 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,160 how men express their sense of who they are, who they can be. 503 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,400 The way Mick sang, the way you dressed. 504 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,080 Did it feel like that at the time? 505 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,440 Did you feel like you were changing things at the time? 506 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,160 I don't think that you, in fairness, 507 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,240 are that aware of those perceptions at the time. 508 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,680 But I don't think it took us too long, slowly, 509 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,640 for us to realise... realise that... 510 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,440 that, yeah, you have something unique. 511 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,360 It's not me, and it's not the band, 512 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:28,560 it's just a unique meeting of cultures and...and time. 513 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,760 This could happen. The 60s were weird, 514 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,960 I basically think it's all to do with World War II, 515 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:43,360 it was just that generation bursting from that. 516 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,760 "Oh, forget about the war, please." 517 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,320 Don't you worry about What's on your mind, oh my 518 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,400 I'm in no hurry I can take my time, oh my 519 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,720 I'm going red And my tongue's getting tied 520 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,840 I'm off my head And my mouth's getting dry 521 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,280 I'm high, But I try, try, try, oh my 522 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200 Let's spend the night together 523 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,160 Now I need you more than ever 524 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,520 Let's spend the night together now 525 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,600 # I feel so strong I can't disguise, oh my... 526 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,200 Not only did he invent a new way to play the guitar, 527 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,680 he invented a new way to dress. 528 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,640 No-one had actually worn women's clothes like that, 529 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,120 like trophies, you know? 530 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360 And his look on stage, you know? 531 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,760 He just had an intense thing about him, 532 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,160 he looked kind of like a bird of prey. 533 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000 If you look at pictures of Keith at the beginning of 1967, 534 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,600 and at the end of 67, 535 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,280 it's almost like you're looking at two different people. 536 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920 The face changes, deepens. 537 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960 And you look at it and you realise, 538 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,360 stuff happened that year! 539 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,880 Talking about being sort of plugged into remarkable times, 540 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,760 there was a certain point when the story just does turn very dark. 541 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,120 Mm-hmm. Well, it depends on your idea of colour. 542 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,760 Yeah, yeah. We'll say dark. 543 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,640 It seems to happen sometime around 67, 68? 544 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,240 Errr... 545 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,720 Yeah, I would give that a good... 546 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:26,160 67, yeah. But I think it's very hard for me to discuss that period because, 547 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,200 not for any reason of not wanting to, it's just that we'd been working 548 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,400 non-stop, non-stop for four or five years, 549 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:40,680 and basically we'd pulled our string at that time, 550 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,720 just energy wise. 551 00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:49,560 And at the same time that coincided with acid, and the psychedelic, hippy thing. 552 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,160 But obviously I was in full range of public view, 553 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,760 and in the raging glare of the CID. 554 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,840 All the teenage screaming and posturing vanished at the moment Judge Block passed sentence. 555 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,240 As he said sternly to Richard that the offence of which he had been found guilty 556 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,640 carried a maximum sentence of 10 years, there was a gasp of pure horror 557 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,200 from the youngsters crowded into the public gallery. 558 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,000 But there was a dead silence as the judge added, "You will go to prison for one year, 559 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,400 "and you will pay L500 towards the cost of the prosecution. Go down." 560 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,200 I'm one of the most famous drug addicts of all time. So they say. 561 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,800 I could have done better. 562 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,040 - I don't know what that would have involved! - No, nor do I. 563 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,840 Richard, who earlier had talked in his evidence of what he called 'petty morals', 564 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,880 went down to the cells without expression. 565 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,560 A campaign against the harsh sentence succeeded, 566 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,520 and in the end, Keith spent just one night in prison. 567 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,120 Not much of a deterrent to his own escalating drug use. 568 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,200 Why was I doing heroin? 569 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,000 I think the reason I was taking it 570 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,320 was how to deal with fame and pressure. 571 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,160 And it's one way to run away. 572 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,600 And I ran away to the boppy. 573 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:45,320 I used it as a wall against me and fame, and the public bit. 574 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,920 I'm not really, you know... 575 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480 ..that way inclined to show off. 576 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,800 I'd have been quite happy to make all these records totally anonymously, 577 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520 but then of course, I mean that's not possible. 578 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,480 You've got to get out there and put yourself out. 579 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,600 He found it horrific, I think. He says in the book, he didn't like being a pop star. 580 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,760 Doris, his mother, said, "Keith's a shy boy," and he hated that. 581 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,600 He felt she kind of betrayed him, but she had a point. 582 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,000 The big problem for Keith was not when he was playing or on tour, 583 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,320 it was after the tour, when the tour was over. 584 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,360 Coming down from this massive daily shot of adrenaline 585 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:37,480 of the kind that you and I would never experience in that kind of intensity. 586 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,800 The replacement was clearly, in his case, needed. 587 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,560 But there were other people around you, people you lost, people like Brian Jones, Gram Parsons, 588 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,520 who weren't able to, either they didn't have such a strong 589 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,360 constitution as you, or they didn't have the same mental attitude? I don't know. 590 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,760 Nor do I. 591 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,800 I'm not here to answer for my brothers. 592 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,920 I've lost a lot of good friends that way. 593 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:23,360 Brian's increasingly erratic behaviour culminated in him leaving the band in June, 1969. 594 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960 By July, he was dead. 595 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,720 Yes, I wish some of my friends hadn't done that and overdone it. 596 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,520 You know, at the time, you just looked at it as par for the course. 597 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,680 Although it was a shock when it actually happened, 598 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,360 nobody was really that surprised. There are... 599 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480 I'm sure that everybody's got those feelings... certain people... 600 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,720 everybody knows people that you just have that feeling about. 601 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,200 They're not going to be 70 years old, ever. You know. 602 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,040 Not everybody makes it, you know? 603 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,760 The Stones decided to go ahead with their free concert in Hyde Park just two days later. 604 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,960 They released hundreds of white butterflies as a tribute to Brian. 605 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,920 MUSIC: "Jumpin' Jack Flash" 606 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,920 More than 2,000 Negroes joined the rioting crowds who attacked white police and firemen. 607 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,960 The rioting raged for more three hours. 608 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,040 The fires blazed up in six shops and an apartment house. 609 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:55,000 The night sky of Alabama glowed red with the flames of racial strife. 610 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,240 I was born in a cross-fire hurricane 611 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,480 And I howled at my ma in the driving rain... 612 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,840 Bombs in Vietnam explode at home. 613 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:20,080 They destroy the dream and possibility for a decent America. 614 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,280 I'm Jumping Jack Flash It's a gas, gas, gas... 615 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,440 This started with the '69 tour. We totally had no idea. 616 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,600 We were young. We were naive. We were in our 20s, and we were coming 617 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:48,400 into America and not realising the depth of the political...insanity. 618 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:54,440 As the '69 tour progressed, plans for its grand finale started to come together. 619 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,920 The Rolling Stones' free concert is going to be on tomorrow at the Altamont Speedway. 620 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,520 Apparently, it's one of the most difficult things in the world to give a free concert. 621 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,920 It's creating a sort of microcosmic society, 622 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:21,600 which it sets the example to the rest of America as to how one can behave in life's gatherings. 623 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,320 It was mayhem, and you wonder why... 624 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,000 this is what you want to do? This wasn't the idea. 625 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,080 You know, you wanted to play music, and people would go... 626 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,120 And suddenly, it's... It's another thing. 627 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,480 The brutality meted out by the Hell's Angels, naively hired by the band to provide security, 628 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,440 turned the concert into a horror show. 629 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,440 Brothers and sisters... 630 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,440 come on, now. 631 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,880 That means everybody just cool out. 632 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,000 Will you cool out, everybody. 633 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:18,560 Hopefully, nobody gets hurt that much, you know, but a lot of people did. 634 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,640 It just was a very embattled situation. 635 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,800 I think the best documentation of that 636 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,840 is the Maysles film Gimme Shelter because you just look at that, and you really see what it felt like. 637 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,400 This is Stefan Ponek, KSAN radio, San Francisco. 638 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,680 While the Rolling Stones' tour of the United States is over, it ended up with a concert 639 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,840 at the Altamont Speedway for more than 300,000 people. 640 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,480 There were four births, four deaths and an awful lot of scuffles reported. 641 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,640 We received word that someone was stabbed to death 642 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,920 in front of the stage by a member of the Hell's Angels. 643 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,560 Nothing is confirmed on that. We were there. We didn't see it, but we did see a lot. 644 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,720 We want to know now what you saw. 645 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,120 If Woodstock was the dream, then Altamont, only three months later, was the nightmare. 646 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,240 Who can say what killed the hippy idealism of the '60s, 647 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,640 but it was violence and regret that replaced it. 648 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,560 The end of the decade was a strange, troubled time. 649 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:36,680 But as the '60s went up in flames, the Rolling Stones played some of their greatest music. 650 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,080 MUSIC: "Gimme Shelter" 651 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,840 Oh, a storm is threat'ning 652 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,840 My very life today 653 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400 If I don't get some shelter 654 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,480 Oh yeah, I'm gonna fade away 655 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,880 War, children, it's just a shot away 656 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,520 It's just a shot away 657 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,760 War, children, it's just a shot away 658 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,240 It's just a shot away.... 659 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,520 The drugs couldn't get him, nor the police, 660 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:35,840 nor the crazy groupies, not even a near-fatal fall from a coconut tree could divert Keith from his destiny. 661 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,920 As the years have rolled by, it's the music that's remained centre stage, 662 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,360 music that's as influential today as it has ever been. 663 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,640 I think Keith is an innovator. 664 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,720 He's changed the way the electric guitar sounds. 665 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,360 He's made his own completely unique rock 'n' roll music. 666 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,240 I've played with a zillion guitar players. 667 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:14,520 In Nashville... can't swing a cat without hitting a guitar player here, 668 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,200 and I've never played with anyone that plays that guitar just like he does. 669 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,400 Rape, murder.... 670 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,400 I ain't getting all gushy and mushy about it, but the man's 671 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000 got something inside him that is really special and unique. 672 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:40,640 I can see Keith playing until he, literally, until he falls over dead. 673 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,280 One of the things that comes out very strongly from the way you write 674 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,440 in the book is the joy of being in the moment of playing a song 675 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,360 and of people listening to the song. 676 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,920 And of the other band members performing the song and the song coming together. 677 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:05,560 I think if I take one thing from the whole book, it's that the best thing in your whole life is that. 678 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,160 - I mean, I might be wrong... - Yeah, you've probably put the nail on the head there. 679 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,120 It's watching something little... 680 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,640 idea... 681 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,840 And just the way it's picked up. 682 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,360 It's something you had no hopes for, particularly. 683 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,400 You know, you just have ideas. 684 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:31,320 You say, oh, I've got this one, you know, and just to see the interaction of other people. But it's also that 685 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,840 very enforcing... of bringing the right guys together 686 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:43,480 and recognising their talent and what they have and... And even then making you realise that you have some, too. 687 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,160 Sometime I think, I'd throw out a piece of crap and "That's great!" 688 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,000 Then I'd suddenly realise, it's not so bad after all. 689 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,960 You know, the thing is... first off, they've got to turn the band on. 690 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,880 If I come up with a song or an idea and I play it and everybody's going around... 691 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,400 mmm... 692 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,800 21! 693 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,160 And they're playing cards and smoking, the song's not good, right? 694 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:14,640 And it never will be any good, at least in this band, you know, and so you just... you dump that. 695 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,320 You don't take it as an offence or you dump that and come up with another idea. 696 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,560 You have to throw it against this canvas of other guys. 697 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,040 And they're, like, the jury. 698 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,640 What's really interesting about Keith and the Rolling Stones is he was always, I mean, 699 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,160 and it was probably missed by the early stuff, he was the real musical driver behind this thing. 700 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:39,240 And the fact is, to this day, he is fiercely proud of the Rolling Stones and the music they produce. 701 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,320 MUSIC: "Jumpin' Jack Flash" 702 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:58,440 Keith's probably the least surprised of all the band that the Rolling Stones are still together. 703 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:04,960 After all, his template all along was the blues man of the Mississippi Delta still playing into their 80s. 704 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,680 But it's all right now 705 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,040 In fact it's a gas... 706 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,960 And after almost 50 years, maybe they're just now hitting their stride. 707 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,120 I'm Jumping Jack Flash It's a gas, gas, gas... 708 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,160 I don't know what's kept the band together all these years because, by rights, 709 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,920 they should have broken up so many times 710 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:36,280 just because of the fights or the substances or the relationships or... 711 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,280 There were just so many things. 712 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,840 And it's... it just is really extraordinary. 713 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,840 I think it's just in the personality of Mick and Keith, really. 714 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:53,080 In the book, actually, I must say, I was expecting there might be a bit of rancour and vituperation. 715 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:59,160 What I was struck by that how extremely affectionate your criticisms of him are. 716 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,800 I'm glad it came over that way to you. 717 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,320 I always... 718 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,040 For me, the classic example is when you're talking about the fact that, for you, 719 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:15,520 Mick Jagger was absolutely great at performing in a small space 720 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,000 where you could appreciate his delicacy of movement. 721 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,840 And that he lost it a bit when it turned into the big-stadium Rolling Stones 722 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,480 and he started turning to dance instructors for routines. 723 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,000 There's a great line in the book where you say, 724 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,040 "Charlie and I, we always know when Mick's being plastic. 725 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,200 "We've been watching his arse for 40 years." 726 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,000 That's what we do! 727 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,560 We're there to... 728 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:45,360 as a safety net for Mick that we watch that bum... 729 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,600 Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. 730 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,240 Just to make sure he doesn't miss a beat and if he does, we switch the beat. 731 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,760 It's complicated, but it's just like instinctive. 732 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,960 I love the man... 733 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:03,400 Can be a pain sometimes, but no doubt I can. 734 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:09,640 But working with a bunch of people for this amount of time is, you know, it is fairly unique. 735 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,160 And... 736 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,280 And I wouldn't have missed it for the world, man. 737 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,680 And next... wait until I put him back to work... 738 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,440 Hard task master. Good luck. 739 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,200 Bless you, Andrew. Thank you. It's been a pleasure to talk to you. 740 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,160 - It's been a pleasure to talk to you. - Cool. 741 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,480 You can't always get what you want 742 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,760 You can't always get what you want 743 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,800 You can't always get what you want 744 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,560 But if you try sometimes 745 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,400 Well, you might find 746 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,960 You get what you need 747 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,080 Ahh... 66985

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