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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,001 --> 00:00:03,481 [intriguing synth music] 2 00:00:08,921 --> 00:00:12,012 [gentle piano music] 3 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:25,025 [seabirds calling] [flames crackling] 4 00:00:30,682 --> 00:00:34,947 ["Growin' Up" by Bruce Springsteen] 5 00:00:37,559 --> 00:00:39,126 - There was a certain moment in time 6 00:00:39,169 --> 00:00:40,997 when something happened here. 7 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:44,000 It wasn't happening any place else. 8 00:00:44,044 --> 00:00:45,175 That mattered. 9 00:00:46,437 --> 00:00:48,613 - Asbury Park, it was like Disney Land. 10 00:00:48,657 --> 00:00:50,789 - Asbury Park was a honky-tonk town. 11 00:00:50,833 --> 00:00:55,838 To us, it was this exotic feast for the eyes and ears. 12 00:00:56,882 --> 00:01:01,670 - You just floated a foot off the ground all day long, 13 00:01:01,713 --> 00:01:03,063 lifted by this great music all the time, 14 00:01:03,106 --> 00:01:05,935 coming out of stores and clubs. 15 00:01:05,978 --> 00:01:07,415 - We took a little bit from here, 16 00:01:07,458 --> 00:01:09,678 a little bit from there, a little bit from soul, 17 00:01:09,721 --> 00:01:12,594 little bit from pop, a little bit from the sound 18 00:01:12,637 --> 00:01:15,814 on the West Side of the tracks, you know. 19 00:01:15,858 --> 00:01:20,080 And we kind of combined it all into the sound 20 00:01:20,123 --> 00:01:21,646 that this town and little part 21 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:24,954 of the Jersey Shore became known for. 22 00:01:24,997 --> 00:01:26,999 - The Jersey sound, whether it be 23 00:01:27,043 --> 00:01:29,132 Southside Johnny or Bruce Springsteen 24 00:01:29,176 --> 00:01:31,917 or Gary U.S. Bonds, that Jersey sound 25 00:01:31,961 --> 00:01:35,007 is distinctively and uniquely Jersey. 26 00:01:36,574 --> 00:01:38,924 It's not black Jersey, it's not white Jersey, it's Jersey. 27 00:01:38,968 --> 00:01:43,842 It defines us as a group, not separate and apart, 28 00:01:43,886 --> 00:01:45,844 but it brings us together. 29 00:01:45,888 --> 00:01:47,890 It's soul, is what it is. 30 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:52,155 - Asbury Park's music history goes way back, 31 00:01:52,199 --> 00:01:55,506 and a lot of has been ignored til now, 32 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:57,726 and we wanna give it some recognition. 33 00:01:57,769 --> 00:01:59,945 Any city that wants to move forward 34 00:01:59,989 --> 00:02:02,600 also has to recognize its past. 35 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:09,955 ♪ Growin' up 36 00:02:10,913 --> 00:02:13,872 ♪ Work it back now 37 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:21,053 [groovy rock music] 38 00:02:55,566 --> 00:02:59,091 [dramatic orchestral music] 39 00:03:01,833 --> 00:03:02,791 - [Big Joe Henry] Asbury Park had been 40 00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:04,749 the creation of James Bradley, 41 00:03:04,793 --> 00:03:06,316 a Methodist who made a fortune 42 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,929 selling canon brushes to the Union Army in the Civil War. 43 00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:12,714 He founded Asbury Park and named it 44 00:03:12,757 --> 00:03:16,196 for his faith's first bishop in the United States. 45 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:18,807 He wanted to create a barrier for the Methodist 46 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:22,506 enclave of Ocean Grove, found to the south of Asbury, 47 00:03:22,550 --> 00:03:24,943 from the excesses of the town to the north, 48 00:03:24,987 --> 00:03:27,729 Long Branch, whose wine, women and gambling ways 49 00:03:27,772 --> 00:03:30,819 Bradley found wanton and depraved. 50 00:03:30,862 --> 00:03:32,516 - Over the years as the big hotels 51 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,823 started to come up, they had to compete with Long Branch, 52 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:36,738 which had alcohol and gambling, 53 00:03:36,781 --> 00:03:39,001 and all the presidents went to Long Branch, 54 00:03:39,044 --> 00:03:42,004 and eventually, Bradley capitulated. 55 00:03:42,047 --> 00:03:45,834 It became a big playground on the Jersey Shore, 56 00:03:45,877 --> 00:03:48,184 so you would go to Ocean Grove to pray, 57 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,926 and you'd to Asbury to party, basically. 58 00:03:50,969 --> 00:03:52,841 - Asbury Park was a honky-tonk town. 59 00:03:52,884 --> 00:03:54,103 They had pinball machines, [smooth rock music] 60 00:03:54,146 --> 00:03:56,845 and rides and hotdogs and popcorn, 61 00:03:56,888 --> 00:03:59,891 and I grew up in Ocean Grove, the town next door to it, 62 00:03:59,935 --> 00:04:02,154 but we would cross over the little bridge. 63 00:04:02,198 --> 00:04:04,679 There were bands playing all the time 64 00:04:04,722 --> 00:04:07,682 and drunks and women of the night. 65 00:04:07,725 --> 00:04:12,687 To us, it was this exotic feast for the eyes and ears. 66 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:14,166 We just loved it as kids, 'cause it, 67 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:16,125 Ocean Grove was a wonderful place to grow up in, 68 00:04:16,168 --> 00:04:19,824 but it was boring, and Asbury Park was this 69 00:04:20,738 --> 00:04:24,264 great sea of sin [laughs]. 70 00:04:25,917 --> 00:04:27,267 - [Big Joe Henry] From its very inception, 71 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:30,313 Asbury Park has always been a tale of two cities, 72 00:04:30,357 --> 00:04:34,056 literally separated by a set of railroad tracks. 73 00:04:34,099 --> 00:04:36,276 Tours from New York would pour out of the cars 74 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:39,191 into the prosperous and fashionable East Side of town 75 00:04:39,235 --> 00:04:42,238 to enjoy the luxurious hotels and spend their vacation 76 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:45,154 dollars in the restaurants and nightclubs there. 77 00:04:45,197 --> 00:04:48,026 On the other side of the tracks lay the West Side, 78 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:50,159 where for over a century, Italian immigrants 79 00:04:50,202 --> 00:04:52,727 and African Americans had made their homes 80 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:54,337 and built their businesses. 81 00:04:54,381 --> 00:04:58,602 - The West Side was created as soon as the large hotels 82 00:04:58,646 --> 00:05:01,170 came here and they needed maids and they needed cooks 83 00:05:01,213 --> 00:05:03,955 and they needed butlers and carriage men. 84 00:05:03,999 --> 00:05:06,218 - Tension between the West Side and the East Side 85 00:05:06,262 --> 00:05:09,657 has been a part of the city its inception, 86 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:12,921 historically going back to the very, very beginning. 87 00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:16,272 - African Americans and the Italians, the Jews, 88 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:20,276 were not really permitted east of the tracks 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,104 for all intents and purposes. 90 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:25,063 - Blacks were not allowed on the boardwalk. 91 00:05:25,107 --> 00:05:28,763 My grandfather's known for being a sand-sculpturer 92 00:05:28,806 --> 00:05:31,243 on the Asbury Park beach. 93 00:05:31,287 --> 00:05:33,115 He was really more than just an artist, 94 00:05:33,158 --> 00:05:36,031 he was actually an activist as well. 95 00:05:36,074 --> 00:05:39,295 People used to come from all over to admire his work, 96 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:41,776 and they would throw coins down. 97 00:05:41,819 --> 00:05:46,346 And he did wear like a fez and some kind of robe thing. 98 00:05:47,434 --> 00:05:49,218 He was sneaky enough to say hey, 99 00:05:49,261 --> 00:05:51,916 I'm gonna find a way to be on the boardwalk, 100 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,789 and that way was to be dressed in a fez 101 00:05:54,832 --> 00:05:58,053 so they really weren't quite sure, 102 00:05:58,096 --> 00:06:01,404 and even if they did know, they could use the excuse, 103 00:06:01,448 --> 00:06:03,841 well we didn't know he was black. 104 00:06:03,885 --> 00:06:06,888 - Asbury was always a little bit of a mini city, 105 00:06:06,931 --> 00:06:09,369 and it carried with it all the same plagues 106 00:06:09,412 --> 00:06:13,198 and problems and injustices of the day. 107 00:06:13,242 --> 00:06:15,418 [melodic folk music] 108 00:06:15,462 --> 00:06:19,117 - Asbury Park was one of the last integrated beaches 109 00:06:19,161 --> 00:06:20,423 here at the Jersey Shore. 110 00:06:20,467 --> 00:06:23,208 In between the casino and Ocean Grove, 111 00:06:23,252 --> 00:06:25,428 you have what was called Chicken Beach. 112 00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:28,170 That's where the blacks were allowed to go swimming 113 00:06:28,213 --> 00:06:30,825 during the summer time. 114 00:06:30,868 --> 00:06:33,697 And there's still hard feelings over that, even today. 115 00:06:33,741 --> 00:06:37,005 - But the reason why that particular plot 116 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:40,356 of the beach was available was because it was 117 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,838 called the Muddy Hole, some called it the Chicken Beach. 118 00:06:43,881 --> 00:06:46,971 And it was because that was where the black people went, 119 00:06:47,015 --> 00:06:49,060 where the servants went, and it was also the place 120 00:06:49,104 --> 00:06:52,020 where the sewage washed up. 121 00:06:52,063 --> 00:06:54,283 - Asbury Park was legally segregated 122 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:59,027 until probably into the late 1940's, early 1950's, 123 00:06:59,070 --> 00:07:02,726 and of course after that was defacto segregation. 124 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:06,426 The main thoroughfare in the West Side is Springwood Avenue. 125 00:07:06,469 --> 00:07:10,038 - Springwood Avenue, in its hay day, 126 00:07:10,081 --> 00:07:13,781 was the living room for West Side residents. 127 00:07:15,304 --> 00:07:19,830 It was the boardwalk for the West Side of resident. 128 00:07:19,874 --> 00:07:23,486 It was the playground for the West Side residents. 129 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:24,748 It was home. 130 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:27,055 - We would go and sit in a car 131 00:07:27,098 --> 00:07:31,233 or maybe go get a sandwich and sit on Springwood Avenue 132 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:34,845 and watch the people go up and down Springwood Avenue, 133 00:07:34,889 --> 00:07:37,065 dressed sharp, comin' out of clubs, 134 00:07:37,108 --> 00:07:40,198 just fun to see, it was a show within a show. 135 00:07:40,242 --> 00:07:42,287 - Everybody thought of Springwood Avenue, 136 00:07:42,331 --> 00:07:44,333 it was the jazz Mecca on the shore. 137 00:07:44,376 --> 00:07:48,424 There was so much going on in the early days, 138 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:51,775 they had the Elks, they had the Turf Club, 139 00:07:51,819 --> 00:07:55,170 they had Big Bill's, they had Madonna's, 140 00:07:55,213 --> 00:07:58,303 they had the Orchid Lounge, it was so many places 141 00:07:58,347 --> 00:08:02,307 that you could go hear some real good jazz. 142 00:08:02,351 --> 00:08:05,093 - All the top acts used to go in all these clubs, 143 00:08:05,136 --> 00:08:06,790 and if you were playing in New York, you would go there, 144 00:08:06,834 --> 00:08:08,923 if you were gonna go on your way to New York, 145 00:08:08,966 --> 00:08:10,577 you would stop in Asbury, do some gigs, 146 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:11,882 and then go to New York. 147 00:08:11,926 --> 00:08:14,972 - My father used to take me to the Orchid Lounge, 148 00:08:15,016 --> 00:08:18,149 to put like Kenny Burrell, Grant Green, 149 00:08:18,193 --> 00:08:21,936 all those kind of organ trios or guitar trios 150 00:08:21,979 --> 00:08:23,241 who'd come through there. 151 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:25,417 And I was way underage, but because my father 152 00:08:25,461 --> 00:08:29,030 knew the owner, he would let me come in with him, 153 00:08:29,073 --> 00:08:33,251 and the music was amazing back then, just inspirational. 154 00:08:33,295 --> 00:08:36,603 To see that level of musicianship 155 00:08:36,646 --> 00:08:39,823 up close like that was stunning. 156 00:08:39,867 --> 00:08:42,478 Totally, totally motivated me and inspired me. 157 00:08:42,522 --> 00:08:44,915 - Jack McDuff, Charles Earland, 158 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:49,964 James McGriff, Jimmy Smith, Pat Martino, guitar player, 159 00:08:51,095 --> 00:08:53,184 Grant Green, Joe Dukes, Ron Carter, 160 00:08:56,187 --> 00:08:59,408 oh god, it was, all these cats I saw at the Orchid Lounge, 161 00:08:59,451 --> 00:09:01,149 you know what I mean, and it's like, 162 00:09:01,192 --> 00:09:03,978 and Pat Martino's white, you know, so what's the big deal, 163 00:09:04,021 --> 00:09:05,370 it's beautiful play, it doesn't matter 164 00:09:05,414 --> 00:09:07,155 what color you are there, you know what I mean? 165 00:09:07,198 --> 00:09:09,374 It was like everybody was there. 166 00:09:09,418 --> 00:09:12,421 - People drifted back and forth across the tracks. 167 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:14,162 Springwood Avenue was a huge center 168 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:17,557 of African American culture, and you went over there 169 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,342 for things, for clothes, fishes, 170 00:09:22,431 --> 00:09:24,999 for music, you went to the Orchid Lounge, 171 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:27,871 where it was a black club, but you could be white 172 00:09:27,915 --> 00:09:30,482 and go there and there wasn't any problems. 173 00:09:30,526 --> 00:09:32,180 They played a lot of jazz, but they also had 174 00:09:32,223 --> 00:09:34,095 soul entertainers come in. 175 00:09:34,138 --> 00:09:37,664 [soulful rock music] 176 00:09:37,707 --> 00:09:40,014 - West Side there, it was just great. 177 00:09:40,057 --> 00:09:41,319 I mean, when we were kids, we would see 178 00:09:41,363 --> 00:09:43,539 all the top blues guys besides the jazz guys, 179 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:47,151 B.B. King, Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins, 180 00:09:47,195 --> 00:09:50,154 all the great B three players played it then, 181 00:09:50,198 --> 00:09:53,636 Orchid Lounge, and we'd stand outside and listen you know. 182 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,246 - If you were walking down the street 183 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:57,466 on a Saturday night, when I got a little bit older, 184 00:09:57,509 --> 00:10:01,252 12, 13, 14, there'd be all these clubs, 185 00:10:01,296 --> 00:10:03,559 and they'd have the doors open and there'd be bands, 186 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:05,300 and they'd be doing "What I'd I Say" 187 00:10:05,343 --> 00:10:08,390 by Ray Charles, but they'd be using the dirty lyrics, 188 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:10,348 and there'd be a saxophone player, you know, 189 00:10:10,392 --> 00:10:14,309 and it just was, it was exciting to us 190 00:10:14,352 --> 00:10:18,008 because none of that existed in our little town. 191 00:10:18,052 --> 00:10:21,055 - The players and the scene at that time 192 00:10:21,098 --> 00:10:24,058 was really kind of happenin', and it was, 193 00:10:24,101 --> 00:10:26,234 there was an education to be had 194 00:10:26,277 --> 00:10:28,584 every time you walked through a door. 195 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:31,065 - Music on the West Side did have a big influence 196 00:10:31,108 --> 00:10:33,981 on what was going on along the shore area. 197 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:35,983 Part of that was because a lot of black artists 198 00:10:36,026 --> 00:10:39,247 would get to play in the white clubs on the East Side, 199 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:42,163 and musicians from the East Side would cross 200 00:10:42,206 --> 00:10:44,339 over into the West Side and go into the clubs 201 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:48,299 and listen to what was going on there and draw from that. 202 00:10:48,343 --> 00:10:51,041 No form of music exists in a vacuum, 203 00:10:51,085 --> 00:10:54,044 everybody's influenced by everybody else. 204 00:10:54,088 --> 00:10:56,656 - The popularizing of black music 205 00:10:58,222 --> 00:11:02,096 that occurred in the 40's and 50's and early rock n' roll, 206 00:11:02,139 --> 00:11:04,446 it brought, you know, it brought African American 207 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:06,274 culture into the mainstream. 208 00:11:06,317 --> 00:11:08,711 ♪ You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ♪ 209 00:11:08,755 --> 00:11:10,321 ♪ Cr-cryin' all the time 210 00:11:10,365 --> 00:11:13,977 And if you look at Elvis, he crossed racial lines, 211 00:11:14,021 --> 00:11:18,460 and he had a lot of soul and a blackness to him, 212 00:11:18,503 --> 00:11:21,158 those things had a good part to play, 213 00:11:21,202 --> 00:11:24,509 I believe, in the emergence of the civil rights 214 00:11:24,553 --> 00:11:27,556 struggle in the early 60's. 215 00:11:27,599 --> 00:11:30,037 - Music is the only art form that half created 216 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,126 by blacks, half created by whites. 217 00:11:32,169 --> 00:11:35,520 I think it's one of the main reasons why, 218 00:11:36,565 --> 00:11:38,349 you know, integration happened. 219 00:11:38,393 --> 00:11:40,482 You got immediate racial common ground. 220 00:11:40,525 --> 00:11:42,310 - I'd always said, if you wanna see true integration, 221 00:11:42,353 --> 00:11:44,486 just get with musicians, man, just, just, 222 00:11:44,529 --> 00:11:46,140 there's where you see it. 223 00:11:46,183 --> 00:11:49,317 You see how people can unite and work together. 224 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,146 ♪ Gonna tell Aunt Mary 'bout Uncle John ♪ 225 00:11:52,189 --> 00:11:54,322 ♪ He claim he has the misery but he's havin' a lot of fun ♪ 226 00:11:54,365 --> 00:11:59,719 ♪ Oh baby, yeah baby, woo [rhythmic clapping] 227 00:11:59,762 --> 00:12:01,024 ♪ Baby 228 00:12:01,068 --> 00:12:04,462 - Motown, makin' black records for white kids. 229 00:12:04,506 --> 00:12:08,336 Rock n' roll certainly, Little Richard invented it, 230 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:11,774 and Chuck Berry was the first major artist, 231 00:12:11,818 --> 00:12:14,777 most influential cat, Bo Diddley had the beat, 232 00:12:14,821 --> 00:12:17,475 you know, they were gods, gods. 233 00:12:18,607 --> 00:12:20,478 ♪ Hey, Bo Diddley [crowd cheering] 234 00:12:20,522 --> 00:12:22,350 ♪ Hey, Bo Diddley 235 00:12:22,393 --> 00:12:24,352 ♪ Hey, Bo Diddley 236 00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:26,789 ♪ Hey, Bo Diddley 237 00:12:26,833 --> 00:12:28,791 We grew up in the Renaissance period, 238 00:12:28,835 --> 00:12:31,707 it's just the greatest music ever made, 239 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,535 it was such a big part of our culture, 240 00:12:33,578 --> 00:12:36,843 I mean it was everything to our whole generation. 241 00:12:36,886 --> 00:12:39,846 [upbeat rock music] 242 00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:41,325 - [Big Joe Henry] Since it's very beginning 243 00:12:41,369 --> 00:12:44,502 as a Gilded Age getaway, Asbury Park has always provided 244 00:12:44,546 --> 00:12:46,635 a showcase for A-list talent 245 00:12:46,678 --> 00:12:48,768 and a spawning ground for new artists, 246 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:50,726 with music being one of the only connectors 247 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,554 reaching across the tracks between 248 00:12:52,597 --> 00:12:55,557 the East and West Side of town. 249 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,560 By 1968, Asbury boasted some 73 clubs, 250 00:12:58,603 --> 00:13:01,215 bars, and ballrooms featuring live music, 251 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:03,695 in a town of just one square mile. 252 00:13:03,739 --> 00:13:05,436 - Every place you went had music. 253 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,742 I mean, it didn't make any difference 254 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:09,223 if it was a hotel, corner room, 255 00:13:09,266 --> 00:13:12,835 a little lunch place, a bar, a restaurant, 256 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:14,663 there was music everywhere. 257 00:13:14,706 --> 00:13:17,666 - I think it was 1964, Ray Charles initiated 258 00:13:17,709 --> 00:13:21,844 the Galaxy of Stars down there with Moe Septee. 259 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:24,368 So we were used to having, you know, 260 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:28,808 top notch, world-class acts coming through Asbury Park. 261 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:34,770 - I guess I was about 16, ["You Keep Me Hangin' On"] 262 00:13:34,814 --> 00:13:38,556 dad drove us down to Convention Hall to see Vanilla Fudge. 263 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,602 That was my first time to Asbury Park. 264 00:13:40,645 --> 00:13:42,517 Great stuff, great stuff. 265 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:46,434 ♪ You just keep me hangin' on 266 00:13:47,739 --> 00:13:50,481 - The fact that rock and roll grew out of Asbury Park 267 00:13:50,525 --> 00:13:53,441 was in no small measure due to Moe Septee, 268 00:13:53,484 --> 00:13:55,617 who brought rock and roll all summer long, 269 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:57,793 all the great English groups, you name it, 270 00:13:57,837 --> 00:13:59,664 they played Convention Hall. 271 00:13:59,708 --> 00:14:04,278 ♪ People try to put us down [talkin' 'bout my generation] ♪ 272 00:14:04,321 --> 00:14:09,152 ♪ J-just because we get around [talkin' 'bout my generation] ♪ 273 00:14:09,196 --> 00:14:11,459 - The Who, Herman's Hermits, and Blues Magoos, 274 00:14:11,502 --> 00:14:13,156 that was all one show. 275 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,767 My high school math teacher was, 276 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:18,640 his summer job was the head of security 277 00:14:18,683 --> 00:14:21,512 at the Convention Hall, so Mr. Michler, 278 00:14:21,556 --> 00:14:26,387 if you're out there, I would show up and he's like 279 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:28,868 6'5" or somethin' like that. 280 00:14:28,911 --> 00:14:31,522 And you know, the tickets were like two dollars 281 00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,655 or somethin', I didn't have two dollars. 282 00:14:33,698 --> 00:14:37,267 He would just look and he would just go, go in. 283 00:14:37,311 --> 00:14:40,836 - In 1966, I went away to camp, summer camp, 284 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,885 but I came back, guys in my class had a group at the shore, 285 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:49,845 and their parents somehow knew Moe Septee 286 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:54,763 and got booked onto the opening slot for Herman's Hermits. 287 00:14:54,806 --> 00:14:56,896 Their drummer couldn't make it, and they called me. 288 00:14:56,939 --> 00:14:59,507 Playing at Convention Hall, if you played there, 289 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:03,206 I mean, to us in New Jersey, that was like playing 290 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:05,774 Shea Stadium when The Beatles played there. 291 00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:08,951 ♪ Your love for me has got to be real ♪ 292 00:15:08,995 --> 00:15:10,518 - Rolling Stones at their peak, 293 00:15:10,561 --> 00:15:12,781 you could see them ever summer at Convention Hall, 294 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:15,827 every major act came to Asbury Park. 295 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:20,267 - The rides were going, 296 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:22,443 Rookies believe or not in the casino, 297 00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:24,619 there were shows both in the casino 298 00:15:24,662 --> 00:15:26,795 and the Conventional Hall. 299 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:29,841 It was great from then on. 300 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,845 [audience cheers] 301 00:15:35,325 --> 00:15:36,892 - [Big Joe Henry] In a town jammed with venues 302 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:39,373 for A-list talent and top-40 clubs, 303 00:15:39,416 --> 00:15:43,246 one place would be completely unique, the Upstage Club. 304 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:45,248 With no liquor license, Upstage would be 305 00:15:45,292 --> 00:15:47,816 about one thing, music. 306 00:15:47,859 --> 00:15:50,645 - There were plenty of after-hours places around here, 307 00:15:50,688 --> 00:15:52,429 but they were for drinking. 308 00:15:52,473 --> 00:15:54,431 This was the first after-hours place 309 00:15:54,475 --> 00:15:57,521 that was devoted to music and devoted to young people. 310 00:15:57,565 --> 00:15:59,567 [groovy rock music] 311 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:02,265 - When we were like 16, 17, there was, 312 00:16:02,309 --> 00:16:03,963 you know, nowhere you could play. 313 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:07,575 But we could go there and play til five in the morning, 314 00:16:07,618 --> 00:16:11,492 and you know, play for hours at a time 315 00:16:11,535 --> 00:16:13,842 in front of like a packed house. 316 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:18,847 Where else can you do that when you're 16, 17 years old. 317 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:21,067 - There was a place that was needed 318 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:25,854 for us kids, because we couldn't go to the bars, 319 00:16:25,897 --> 00:16:29,771 and we were fortunate to have a place where we could 320 00:16:29,814 --> 00:16:34,297 enjoy music and dance and meet girls [laughs]. 321 00:16:34,341 --> 00:16:36,560 [intense rock music] 322 00:16:36,604 --> 00:16:37,474 - Wow. 323 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:44,742 It was the beginning of something important, you know. 324 00:16:44,786 --> 00:16:46,048 Yeah baby. 325 00:16:46,092 --> 00:16:49,921 It was the beginning of us coming into our own, 326 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:54,013 you know, coming into our own world. 327 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:06,416 - It's your youth, it's your youth, 328 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:08,462 it's when things were wide open 329 00:17:08,505 --> 00:17:11,769 and when a little bit took you a long way. 330 00:17:11,813 --> 00:17:13,380 Wasn't much to the place at all 331 00:17:13,423 --> 00:17:16,035 except what people brought to it. 332 00:17:17,558 --> 00:17:18,907 It was one of those places that there was a certain 333 00:17:18,950 --> 00:17:22,824 moment in time when something happened here, 334 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:27,394 it wasn't happening anyplace else, and that mattered. 335 00:17:30,962 --> 00:17:33,052 - [Big Joe Henry] The brainchild of Asbury Park beauticians 336 00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:35,054 Tom Potter and his wife Margaret, 337 00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:39,710 The Upstage was meant to be a club for musicians only. 338 00:17:43,932 --> 00:17:46,674 - I knew about its opening before it actually opened, 339 00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:51,548 'cause Tom would invite musicians, I was playing in a band, 340 00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:55,074 probably The Moment of Truth or Speed Limit 25, 341 00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:57,685 one of those, you know, thousands of bands 342 00:17:57,728 --> 00:18:01,863 on the Jersey Shore, and they used to invite 343 00:18:01,906 --> 00:18:04,126 musicians after they finished at two o'clock, 344 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:06,433 three o'clock in the morning, up to his place 345 00:18:06,476 --> 00:18:09,000 in Asbury to sit around and jam 346 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:12,178 and play something other than the top 40 347 00:18:12,221 --> 00:18:14,180 that they had been playing all night. 348 00:18:14,223 --> 00:18:16,095 - After I found out about The Upstage, 349 00:18:16,138 --> 00:18:18,793 I told Steve, and then Steve came up 350 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,490 and he blew everybody away too, 351 00:18:20,534 --> 00:18:23,537 'cause Steve was a hell of a front man and guitar player. 352 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:25,408 So then, this became our hang, you know, 353 00:18:25,452 --> 00:18:27,149 the two of us were here every weekend, 354 00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:29,151 and we were inseparable. 355 00:18:31,588 --> 00:18:33,155 - Here's where we met like most of the people 356 00:18:33,199 --> 00:18:36,071 that we know to this day. 357 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:39,030 The freaks and misfits and outcasts, 358 00:18:39,074 --> 00:18:40,902 we all hung out here together. 359 00:18:40,945 --> 00:18:44,558 The genius of Tom Potter, Tom and Margaret Potter 360 00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:48,562 to have like a little sanctuary for the freaks. 361 00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:52,783 It was one big happy, freaky family, it really was. 362 00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,569 - When Tom initially had the idea to do this, 363 00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:57,875 we arrive, and you started cleaning 364 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:01,009 and sweeping and painting, and then he came in 365 00:19:01,052 --> 00:19:04,186 and started his magic of what he would do on the walls. 366 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:07,450 - It was a psychedelic electric club. 367 00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:09,844 The walls were black and DayGlo painted, 368 00:19:09,887 --> 00:19:11,976 and you walked into it, looked like a fun house 369 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:13,804 you were walking into, it was jet black walls 370 00:19:13,848 --> 00:19:17,199 with this fluorescent paint, and although it was 371 00:19:17,243 --> 00:19:20,115 a crazy kind of carnival kind of atmosphere. 372 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:23,727 [invigorating rock music] 373 00:19:29,255 --> 00:19:31,561 - I remember when Tom first floated the idea, 374 00:19:31,605 --> 00:19:33,607 he's like you know, for people to haul stuff 375 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:36,000 up and down two flights of stairs 376 00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:37,785 is just not gonna work out, he says, 377 00:19:37,828 --> 00:19:41,223 what would you think if I built amplifiers into the stage? 378 00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,616 I said, well if you do it, 379 00:19:42,659 --> 00:19:44,270 there's gotta be a lot of speakers. 380 00:19:44,313 --> 00:19:46,228 And he took me at my word. 381 00:19:46,272 --> 00:19:48,709 He put a lot of speakers, the whole wall. 382 00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:51,799 - That whole thing was like a wall of guitar sound 383 00:19:51,842 --> 00:19:54,845 and the PA all at once, so we didn't need columns out here. 384 00:19:54,889 --> 00:19:57,283 - He had the front of the stage, 385 00:19:57,326 --> 00:20:00,242 where like footlights would be on a conventional stage, 386 00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:04,507 there was a rack, and in this rack were the amplifiers, 387 00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:08,076 Bassmans, Band Masters, Super Reverbs. 388 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,078 - So there was four outputs in each one 389 00:20:10,121 --> 00:20:12,254 of the Fender Bassmans, so now you had 390 00:20:12,298 --> 00:20:15,736 a potential of eight guitar players can play at once. 391 00:20:15,779 --> 00:20:17,128 - All the amps were there, and all you had to do 392 00:20:17,172 --> 00:20:19,305 was take your chord, plug it in to the thing 393 00:20:19,348 --> 00:20:21,524 and tell 'em what speakers you wanted 394 00:20:21,568 --> 00:20:23,047 and you were off and running. 395 00:20:23,091 --> 00:20:24,614 - And then you had to bring an instrument, 396 00:20:24,658 --> 00:20:28,618 you just showed up and it was all done for you. 397 00:20:28,662 --> 00:20:32,187 So us being being the lazy people we are, 398 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:35,016 that sounded like just our kind of place. 399 00:20:35,059 --> 00:20:37,018 - The wall of sound, there it is. 400 00:20:37,061 --> 00:20:40,151 [dynamic rock music] 401 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,117 - A kid with a cheap guitar that couldn't afford an amp 402 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,119 could come here and play because there was amps here 403 00:20:51,162 --> 00:20:53,077 for him to play on. 404 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:54,644 If you were a kid drummer and you wanted 405 00:20:54,688 --> 00:20:56,211 to learn how to play the drums and you're just learning, 406 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,344 you could come here, there was drums here to play on. 407 00:20:58,387 --> 00:21:00,346 You didn't have to have a drum set. 408 00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:01,738 There's no place around like that, 409 00:21:01,782 --> 00:21:04,611 nobody's gonna set that up for anybody now. 410 00:21:04,654 --> 00:21:06,221 Everything's way different. 411 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:10,269 - Tom was an ornery old guy, but had a vision, 412 00:21:10,312 --> 00:21:11,705 he had a great vision. 413 00:21:11,748 --> 00:21:13,228 - He was a party animal. 414 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:15,970 - And Tom was this big, garrulous, 415 00:21:16,013 --> 00:21:18,755 goatee, very beatnik-y, you know, 416 00:21:20,061 --> 00:21:23,891 Bohemian, sex on his mind [laughs], 417 00:21:23,934 --> 00:21:27,764 just huge, cursing, quite cheerful character. 418 00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:32,291 - [Tom] What the hell's going on? 419 00:21:32,334 --> 00:21:35,119 Oh, got it workin' now [laughs]. 420 00:21:35,163 --> 00:21:38,297 Ladies and gentlemen, The Odyssey! 421 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:41,300 [upbeat rock music] 422 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:49,308 - He saw a place for the youth of that day, 423 00:21:49,351 --> 00:21:51,092 don't forget it was the 60's. 424 00:21:51,135 --> 00:21:54,008 He wanted a place that would encourage and nurture 425 00:21:54,051 --> 00:21:57,185 creativity, primarily through music. 426 00:21:57,228 --> 00:21:59,361 - Tom Potter, what a nut, what a great guy, 427 00:21:59,405 --> 00:22:02,886 but he was this great, big, tall, bearded, beer-belly guy, 428 00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:06,934 and he was crazy, he was just absolutely, 429 00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:10,764 he was a hairdresser who looked like a biker. 430 00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:12,940 - Tom was just, character, you know, 431 00:22:12,983 --> 00:22:16,160 he had decoupage icebox with all these cutout nudes on it, 432 00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:17,684 and whatever it was. 433 00:22:17,727 --> 00:22:20,991 - Had this operatic-type, monster-loud voice, 434 00:22:21,035 --> 00:22:22,863 and he scared me at first. 435 00:22:22,906 --> 00:22:24,125 - [Tom] You like that? 436 00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:25,779 I don't hear you people in the back! 437 00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:26,736 [crowd cheers] There, 438 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:28,347 did you hear me back there? 439 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:29,783 - [Male Speaker 1] He had his little set of rules, 440 00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:31,219 and everybody had to toe the line 441 00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:33,264 or he'd call around one of the bouncers 442 00:22:33,308 --> 00:22:35,310 to toss 'em down the stairs, you know, 443 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:37,747 just literally drag 'em out. 444 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:42,099 - Was always a thrill to go up the stairs 445 00:22:42,143 --> 00:22:46,234 and you know, I'd bring an acoustic guitar 446 00:22:46,277 --> 00:22:48,454 and sit in here and there, and Tom would say, 447 00:22:48,497 --> 00:22:51,108 alright, you go up with him and you do this, 448 00:22:51,152 --> 00:22:53,197 and you know, you play with this guy, 449 00:22:53,241 --> 00:22:57,724 and he was like the ringmaster, you know, Tom Potter. 450 00:22:58,725 --> 00:23:01,118 - [Tom] Sunday night, Margaret 451 00:23:01,162 --> 00:23:03,686 and The Third Floor will be playing. 452 00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:06,341 [crowd cheers] 453 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:09,126 I think you wanna join them. 454 00:23:09,170 --> 00:23:13,000 - Margaret's hard to, she's hard to sum up in a few words. 455 00:23:13,043 --> 00:23:15,045 - Margaret was initially 456 00:23:17,134 --> 00:23:20,442 of indeterminate sexual origin [laughs]. 457 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:22,966 I came up one night and there was some young kid 458 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:26,187 playing the guitar, and then I noticed 459 00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:27,493 there was a little breast hanging over 460 00:23:27,536 --> 00:23:31,105 the top of the guitar, and that was Margaret 461 00:23:31,148 --> 00:23:33,455 and The Distractions [laughs]. 462 00:23:33,499 --> 00:23:36,110 - 'Course Margaret was just one of those 463 00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:39,896 wonderful people who just, you know, you instantly love. 464 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:43,726 - She cut my hair, she cut a lot of people's hair, 465 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:47,469 'cause that was her main job, hairdressing, 466 00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:49,863 she had her, the band, the house band, 467 00:23:49,906 --> 00:23:51,952 the Margaret and The Distractions. 468 00:23:51,995 --> 00:23:54,041 - She was punk before anybody knew what punk was. 469 00:23:54,084 --> 00:23:57,871 Her stage presence was extraordinary. 470 00:23:57,914 --> 00:23:59,350 There were people that just didn't understand 471 00:23:59,394 --> 00:24:02,136 what she was all about, 'cause she wore unusual clothes 472 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:04,443 and she had an unusual voice, 473 00:24:04,486 --> 00:24:07,446 and she, she was happenin', she was, 474 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,928 she was lightning in a bottle. 475 00:24:13,495 --> 00:24:15,192 - [Big Joe Henry] The Upstage did not really crank up 476 00:24:15,236 --> 00:24:17,847 until after all the other clubs closed. 477 00:24:17,891 --> 00:24:19,458 When Asbury's best of the best 478 00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:23,549 would climb an endless flight of stairs to jam until dawn. 479 00:24:23,592 --> 00:24:26,987 - He had an only game in town thing here, 480 00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:28,510 because even though some of the bars 481 00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:32,775 were open til three, that still left Tom 482 00:24:32,819 --> 00:24:37,258 two hours of the evening that he had all to himself. 483 00:24:37,301 --> 00:24:39,434 - You'd be up there, and like three o'clock, 484 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:41,436 there'd be guys who just finished gigs 485 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,917 on the boardwalk there, and they'd be strollin' in, 486 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,962 comin' in with their axes and stuff. 487 00:24:46,006 --> 00:24:48,225 - Now the first floor was like a coffee house, 488 00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:50,358 you know, like a little restaurant. 489 00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:53,100 The whole trick was you had to like, 490 00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:56,407 make your bones on the first floor, 491 00:24:56,451 --> 00:24:58,801 you know, you had to prove you were good enough 492 00:24:58,845 --> 00:25:00,977 to get to the second floor, you know. 493 00:25:01,021 --> 00:25:04,111 - And the place had gotten a sort of hip cache 494 00:25:04,154 --> 00:25:06,156 so that musicians, soon as they were done 495 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,855 with their bar gigs hustled over here 496 00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:12,380 to see who was here, who was playing, 497 00:25:12,423 --> 00:25:14,077 to play the music they really wanted to play 498 00:25:14,121 --> 00:25:16,123 that they couldn't play in the bars. 499 00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:18,386 - You come down to Asbury, you look around 500 00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:20,388 for some guys to jam with, everybody's over there 501 00:25:20,431 --> 00:25:21,563 at The Upstage. 502 00:25:21,607 --> 00:25:24,000 - It was fundamentally a jam club, 503 00:25:24,044 --> 00:25:28,527 people came up and you saw what everybody's chops were. 504 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,093 - Guitar players used to come try and knock 505 00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:31,312 each other off here. 506 00:25:31,355 --> 00:25:34,141 Be me and Garry Tallent playing the bass, 507 00:25:34,184 --> 00:25:37,231 and Southside singer or Alby Tallon would sing, 508 00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:39,625 or Bruce would come in a jam, Miami Steve, 509 00:25:39,668 --> 00:25:43,411 I think Ricky Disarno convinced him to come in and play, 510 00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:46,501 Rick was always here, Davy Sancious was always here. 511 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,155 Lot of people. 512 00:25:48,198 --> 00:25:50,200 - I was scared to go in there. 513 00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:52,986 I seen guys going in there and never came out [laughs]. 514 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:54,596 Bruce used to go in there. 515 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,034 Disappeared for three or four days at a time. 516 00:25:58,078 --> 00:25:59,645 - I came here by myself. 517 00:25:59,688 --> 00:26:03,170 I brought my guitar, made my way up the stairs, 518 00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:08,218 I played "Rock Me, Baby," Jeff Beck style [laughs]. 519 00:26:09,393 --> 00:26:11,657 You know, just played it with everything I had. 520 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,573 ["Rock Me, Baby"] 521 00:26:23,494 --> 00:26:25,279 Doin' just about everything, 522 00:26:25,322 --> 00:26:28,021 settin' off all the fireworks I could. 523 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:31,024 - Bruce, he was up there with Little Vinnie Roslin. 524 00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:33,896 And me and Danny where over there by the door, 525 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:35,550 Margaret was standing there, said, 526 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:37,160 oh jeez, look at this guy. 527 00:26:37,204 --> 00:26:39,423 Margaret said, yeah, he's got a lot of charisma, don't he? 528 00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:42,688 - I think the first time I saw Bruce, 529 00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:46,039 you could see that he did something special 530 00:26:46,082 --> 00:26:48,476 to the people, you know, the reaction of the people 531 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,347 that nobody else did. 532 00:26:50,391 --> 00:26:53,046 - You can tell when suddenly you've got 533 00:26:53,089 --> 00:26:55,962 everybody's attention [laughs]. 534 00:26:56,005 --> 00:26:58,094 I could feel that moment happening. 535 00:26:58,138 --> 00:27:02,359 - You knew that this guy was headed for greatness, without-- 536 00:27:02,403 --> 00:27:06,712 he got up on the stage and he commanded your attention, 537 00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:10,933 commanded it, not by his, not by anything 538 00:27:10,977 --> 00:27:13,544 other than his charisma, he just stood there 539 00:27:13,588 --> 00:27:16,112 and played and sang, and you could tell 540 00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:18,375 that this guy was goin' places. 541 00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,029 - And by the time I got off stage, 542 00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:24,643 I'd made a lot of new friends [laughs]. 543 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:29,256 - Danny said, you know, I think we wanna 544 00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:32,433 start a band with this guy, and I said, you should, 545 00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:35,088 this guy's, you know, he's got a gift. 546 00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:36,350 - When you've got a really good, 547 00:27:36,393 --> 00:27:38,526 when you were one of the best in the place, 548 00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:41,094 then you were, then you ran the jam upstairs. 549 00:27:41,137 --> 00:27:44,097 If you jammed all night, you got paid five dollars. 550 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:47,274 If you ran the jam, and only a few of us ran the jam, 551 00:27:47,317 --> 00:27:49,493 Bruce, Garry Tallent, or Ricky Disarno, 552 00:27:49,537 --> 00:27:52,975 it was only a few guys who run the jam all night. 553 00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:55,412 And they got 15 dollars, so that was big money. 554 00:27:55,456 --> 00:27:58,502 - We would arrange the jams, we'd send four guys up there, 555 00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:01,288 but three of the guys, you knew that they could make music, 556 00:28:01,331 --> 00:28:04,726 and you would put one new guy with those three other guys, 557 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,990 and you knew that if this guy even struggle, 558 00:28:08,034 --> 00:28:09,688 there would still, that was your job, 559 00:28:09,731 --> 00:28:12,386 make sure that there's real music goin' down, 560 00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:15,650 not just an open jam that didn't make any sense 561 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:18,044 with musicians who couldn't play. 562 00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:20,046 - Oh man, I saw a lot of great jammin'. 563 00:28:20,089 --> 00:28:22,788 Billy Ryan used to drop in, I'd say Van Zandt 564 00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:24,746 and Springsteen and Disarno were the three 565 00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:27,140 that I remember more than anybody. 566 00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:28,707 I remember Bruce liked to finish the night 567 00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:33,320 with a tune by Ten Years After called "I'm Going Home." 568 00:28:33,363 --> 00:28:34,713 To end the show, I'm going home, 569 00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:38,586 30 minutes later, he finally went home [laughs]. 570 00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:41,328 - Used to come in after a gig at first, 571 00:28:41,371 --> 00:28:44,244 and then I started to play with Bruce, 572 00:28:44,287 --> 00:28:47,508 and we'd come here and stay all night, 573 00:28:47,551 --> 00:28:49,510 til five o'clock in the morning every night, 574 00:28:49,553 --> 00:28:51,686 [laughs] it was, it was fun. 575 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:54,733 - You hone your craft here, you get to know each other, 576 00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:56,604 get to play with different people, 577 00:28:56,647 --> 00:28:59,476 get to play different styles, that's what it's all about, 578 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,348 you know, playing with Bruce one night 579 00:29:01,391 --> 00:29:04,351 and Billy Ryan another night, that's different styles. 580 00:29:04,394 --> 00:29:07,180 - You start to learn how to perform, 581 00:29:07,223 --> 00:29:09,399 you learn how to interact with an audience, 582 00:29:09,443 --> 00:29:12,707 how to interact with other band members, 583 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,797 that whole interaction, that energy 584 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:19,279 that is what rock and roll is all about, you know. 585 00:29:19,322 --> 00:29:20,846 - I learned almost everything I know 586 00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:25,067 about performing and singing from those three years, 587 00:29:25,111 --> 00:29:26,199 two and a half years at Upstage, 588 00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:28,157 because it was like our college. 589 00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:31,378 And I loved it, and I learned not to be afraid 590 00:29:31,421 --> 00:29:32,553 of being on stage. 591 00:29:32,596 --> 00:29:34,685 - You were just getting little snippets 592 00:29:34,729 --> 00:29:36,644 of history every time you turned around. 593 00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:39,212 The thing that you would never hear again 594 00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:41,388 would be on that stage, you know, 595 00:29:41,431 --> 00:29:44,173 or the two people that you would probably never see together 596 00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:47,133 play again, you know, it would on that stage, 597 00:29:47,176 --> 00:29:49,570 and I think that people who were true musicians 598 00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:54,227 and true musician listeners knew it and loved it. 599 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:59,275 - In The Upstage, there was a handful of black musicians 600 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:04,150 who braved the East Side because they were interested 601 00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:07,631 in a wider, a more diverse style of music. 602 00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:11,897 - Garry Tallent was standing there next to Bruce, 603 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:14,421 and they were organizing a jam session, 604 00:30:14,464 --> 00:30:17,511 and he goes, you wanna, do you wanna play, you wanna sit in? 605 00:30:17,554 --> 00:30:18,686 I said yeah. 606 00:30:18,729 --> 00:30:20,601 - First time I saw Davy Sancious here, 607 00:30:20,644 --> 00:30:23,822 he was revolutionary, looked like a, 608 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:25,780 barely a teenager, he looked like. 609 00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:29,436 But he was electric on stage, he, 610 00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:31,873 first of all, he had enormous stage presence. 611 00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:36,138 He danced, he went up and down the keys, 612 00:30:36,182 --> 00:30:38,749 he played better than anybody you'd ever heard. 613 00:30:38,793 --> 00:30:43,711 And he was just, wow, where did that kid come from? 614 00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:48,716 He came from 10th Avenue and East Street, you know. 615 00:30:50,239 --> 00:30:51,458 - And at the end of the jam, they were letting out, 616 00:30:51,501 --> 00:30:52,676 it's like five o'clock in the morning now, 617 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,244 and we're all walking home or, you know, 618 00:30:55,288 --> 00:30:57,856 walking to our bicycles or whatever, 619 00:30:57,899 --> 00:31:00,728 and Bruce and I were walking next to each other, 620 00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:03,165 and he goes, I'm about to start this, 621 00:31:03,209 --> 00:31:04,950 start another band, we're about to break up this band 622 00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:08,823 I'm in, Steel Mill, I'm gonna start up a new band. 623 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,912 Would you like to play keyboards in it? 624 00:31:10,956 --> 00:31:15,482 And you know, the rest is history as we say. 625 00:31:15,525 --> 00:31:17,179 - David called me up and says, you know, 626 00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:18,485 Bruce is looking for another drummer, 627 00:31:18,528 --> 00:31:20,617 and why don't you come on down to the club 628 00:31:20,661 --> 00:31:22,619 and you know, meet us and check out the band and stuff, 629 00:31:22,663 --> 00:31:25,361 so I went down there to the club and heard 'em. 630 00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:26,885 Bruce was playin', I was like checkin' 'em out, 631 00:31:26,928 --> 00:31:29,409 I was yeah, this is rockin' man, this is pretty good. 632 00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:31,411 And you know, this guy is rockin' his ass off, 633 00:31:31,454 --> 00:31:34,849 and it just snowballed after that. 634 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,633 - People drifted back and forth 635 00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:39,201 across the tracks, just as the ways 636 00:31:39,245 --> 00:31:42,901 we didn't wanna be tied down to just pop music 637 00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:47,644 or white rock and roll, they didn't wanna be 638 00:31:48,819 --> 00:31:51,779 tied down to just R&B or soul music, 639 00:31:51,822 --> 00:31:56,305 so those adventurous minds tended to cross tracks 640 00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:57,654 and meet here. 641 00:31:57,698 --> 00:31:59,656 - What's unique about The Upstage club 642 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:00,919 is it's one of the first times 643 00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:03,660 where African American musicians 644 00:32:03,704 --> 00:32:06,663 and white musicians, they all got together 645 00:32:06,707 --> 00:32:08,839 to jam together, you know, that's where you can see 646 00:32:08,883 --> 00:32:10,406 some of the influence of the West Side 647 00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:12,408 probably coming in to The Upstage club, 648 00:32:12,452 --> 00:32:14,584 it was the first time that there was 649 00:32:14,628 --> 00:32:17,892 this mixture of cultures in one place 650 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:20,242 for burgeoning rock and roll, you know, 651 00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:23,245 and that's why I say, it was kind of a proving ground there. 652 00:32:23,289 --> 00:32:25,030 - I'm proud of being part of both sides of the track, 653 00:32:25,073 --> 00:32:27,684 you know what I mean, the West Side and the East Side. 654 00:32:27,728 --> 00:32:30,687 I was able to cross over and play with anybody 655 00:32:30,731 --> 00:32:32,733 on that side and come back home 656 00:32:32,776 --> 00:32:34,691 and play with anybody on this side. 657 00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:39,392 So yeah, definitely I'm proud to be a part of that. 658 00:32:39,435 --> 00:32:41,785 - My girlfriend and I answered an ad 659 00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:44,005 in the Asbury Park Press. 660 00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:45,615 Somebody was looking for two singers 661 00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:48,705 with a gospel sound, and my girlfriend called me up 662 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:50,838 and said, I think this is us. 663 00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:53,797 And I'm like, are you sure that they really are looking 664 00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:55,712 for some singers that are just a couple of chicks 665 00:32:55,756 --> 00:32:57,540 to come up through this factory, you know. 666 00:32:57,584 --> 00:32:59,934 She said girl, let's get in there and just sing, you know. 667 00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:02,719 So we went in, my name is Bruce Springsteen, 668 00:33:02,763 --> 00:33:04,808 he introduced himself, you know, 669 00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:06,593 he put on a little Van Morrison and said 670 00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:08,029 the sound that he was kind of looking for 671 00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:10,945 for this 10-piece band that he was putting together. 672 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:13,469 And we just looked at each other and we said, 673 00:33:13,513 --> 00:33:15,080 let's sing, you know. 674 00:33:15,123 --> 00:33:19,040 And before the day was over, he said you girls got the job. 675 00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:22,000 [catchy pop music] 676 00:33:26,917 --> 00:33:29,964 - Clarence was a local figure of some renown, 677 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,444 because he played in a band called 678 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:33,533 Little Melvin and The Invaders, 679 00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,013 which was an all-black band with the exception 680 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:38,755 of Garry Tallent, and they played in the black clubs 681 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,323 that surrounded Asbury Park. 682 00:33:41,367 --> 00:33:43,630 So the night Clarence came in, 683 00:33:43,673 --> 00:33:45,980 needless to say, he was larger than life, 684 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:48,548 got up on stage, blew that saxophone 685 00:33:48,591 --> 00:33:50,767 like it was a force of nature, 686 00:33:50,811 --> 00:33:58,775 and was a natural creature of Asbury Park and the coast. 687 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:02,518 There's only one, there's not gonna be another one. 688 00:34:02,562 --> 00:34:06,000 - We didn't lead with our interracial-ness, 689 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,089 we led with our musicianship, really. 690 00:34:08,133 --> 00:34:11,658 Because Bruce was the best guitar player around, 691 00:34:11,701 --> 00:34:14,443 nobody played like Clarence, I was pretty good 692 00:34:14,487 --> 00:34:16,793 at what I was doing, Ernest Carter was amazing, 693 00:34:16,837 --> 00:34:19,448 Garry's fantastic, so you know, 694 00:34:20,841 --> 00:34:23,496 and Danny as well, all the, that's where the power was, 695 00:34:23,539 --> 00:34:25,585 in the expression itself. 696 00:34:29,197 --> 00:34:34,376 ♪ Good ol' Melinda, sure can make a man smile ♪ 697 00:34:35,551 --> 00:34:40,556 ♪ Ooh, oh-ee baby, now you're drivin' me wild ♪ 698 00:34:41,731 --> 00:34:43,037 - [Big Joe Henry] Because Tom Potter 699 00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:45,083 insisted that bands perform original material, 700 00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:47,824 The Upstage became a crucible for young talent, 701 00:34:47,868 --> 00:34:49,957 a late-night meeting place where the best musicians 702 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,655 on the shore could connect and were encouraged 703 00:34:52,699 --> 00:34:54,831 to develop their own style, rather than cover 704 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:58,139 top-40 hits for the tourist crowd. 705 00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:02,143 - You wanted to do your thing, you could do it in Asbury. 706 00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:05,494 It was here, this is where you had to go. 707 00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:07,192 - You could do anything you wanted 708 00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:08,671 at The Upstage club, you could play any 709 00:35:08,715 --> 00:35:10,717 kind of music you want, and we did, 710 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,110 we took advantage of that. 711 00:35:12,153 --> 00:35:13,894 People were writing songs, Bruce most notably, 712 00:35:13,937 --> 00:35:17,767 but Steven too, a lot of people played their own things. 713 00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:21,771 - It's just at that moment when that whole shift 714 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,992 in the culture was happening from the top 40, 715 00:35:25,035 --> 00:35:29,431 from show business, you know, formal show business, 716 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:32,086 which is what the bar scene represented 717 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:35,916 at that point with the top 40 being required. 718 00:35:37,483 --> 00:35:41,226 And became more about personal expression. 719 00:35:41,269 --> 00:35:43,445 - For a musician, it was the best place, 720 00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,579 'cause you could cut your teeth and you could try new ideas. 721 00:35:46,622 --> 00:35:48,146 - There was some cool shit happening there, 722 00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:50,148 'cause they try anything up there. 723 00:35:50,191 --> 00:35:51,584 - That was one of the first places 724 00:35:51,627 --> 00:35:53,151 where you could begin to do original stuff, 725 00:35:53,194 --> 00:35:55,892 but Bruce was the one who really insisted 726 00:35:55,936 --> 00:35:58,808 on doing like, his original stuff. 727 00:35:59,896 --> 00:36:01,028 And we got into trouble at some point 728 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:03,596 with club owners because [laughs], 729 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:05,554 that's really not what they wanted, you know, 730 00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:08,775 they wanted like a kind of jukebox situation, 731 00:36:08,818 --> 00:36:10,690 but he insisted on doing his own stuff, 732 00:36:10,733 --> 00:36:12,735 and you know, we did it. 733 00:36:15,651 --> 00:36:20,613 ♪ The way you do them things 734 00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:22,223 ♪ That you do 735 00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:26,793 ♪ Oh I, oh I, oh I, oh I, oh 736 00:36:26,836 --> 00:36:28,621 ♪ Everybody 737 00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:29,883 - [Big Joe Henry] It was in the apartment, 738 00:36:29,926 --> 00:36:32,059 an abandoned beauty parlor in this building 739 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:36,759 four and a half decades ago that New Jersey's favorite son 740 00:36:36,803 --> 00:36:40,937 captured the poetry and tragic beauty of this seaside town. 741 00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:42,722 ["It's Hard to Be a Saint in the City" by Bruce Springsteen] 742 00:36:42,765 --> 00:36:45,638 - Well, the first record, I had lived next door 743 00:36:45,681 --> 00:36:48,858 in the beauty salon in Tom's apartment, 744 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:52,601 which was a flight upstairs, then the beauty salon 745 00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:54,951 was second floor, I wrote all the songs 746 00:36:54,995 --> 00:36:57,215 in the back of the beauty salon on, 747 00:36:57,258 --> 00:37:02,132 on a spinet piano that I had from my aunt, my aunt gave me. 748 00:37:03,699 --> 00:37:07,050 So the songs were called from characters 749 00:37:07,094 --> 00:37:08,878 both real and imagined from the streets 750 00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:12,534 of Asbury Park, you know, there was also 751 00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:16,016 the carnie atmosphere, the street atmosphere, 752 00:37:16,059 --> 00:37:19,193 the sort of punk poetry was just a part 753 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:22,849 of the town and the city at that moment, 754 00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:25,634 so that was how I translated it. 755 00:37:28,158 --> 00:37:32,685 You know, I passed the postcard stand and I went, hm. 756 00:37:34,077 --> 00:37:39,082 I like this, this is me, you know, this is where I'm from, 757 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:41,998 these are the people I'm talkin' for, 758 00:37:42,042 --> 00:37:46,046 people from Asbury Park, people from New Jersey. 759 00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:55,577 You had Southside bringing in an enormous amount of blues. 760 00:37:55,621 --> 00:37:58,319 Stevie and I played, you know, a lot of R&B 761 00:37:58,363 --> 00:38:00,843 and rock music of the day, and then I guess 762 00:38:00,887 --> 00:38:04,282 I was the first to start playing my own music. 763 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:07,372 Basically unlike Dylan or Beatles 764 00:38:07,415 --> 00:38:09,199 or, you know like I said, who were, 765 00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:12,159 I believe were musical revolutionaries, 766 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:15,118 we were more alchemists, you know, 767 00:38:15,162 --> 00:38:16,685 we took a little bit from here, 768 00:38:16,729 --> 00:38:18,948 a little bit from there, a little bit from soul, 769 00:38:18,992 --> 00:38:21,864 little bit from pop, a little bit from the sound 770 00:38:21,908 --> 00:38:24,998 on the West Side of the tracks. 771 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:29,307 And we kinda combined it all into the sound 772 00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:30,917 that this town and little part 773 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,747 of the Jersey Shore became known for. 774 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:36,401 ♪ I want to know if love is wild ♪ 775 00:38:36,444 --> 00:38:41,101 ♪ Babe I want to know if love is real ♪ 776 00:38:41,144 --> 00:38:43,277 - Upstage was literally like the, 777 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:46,324 it was a Liverpool of America. 778 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:48,413 Bruce Springsteen, of course, came out of there, 779 00:38:48,456 --> 00:38:51,720 and all, most of the members of his band. 780 00:38:51,764 --> 00:38:53,940 Southside Johnny came out of there, 781 00:38:53,983 --> 00:38:58,074 David Sancious, when he was a young kid, came over there. 782 00:38:58,118 --> 00:39:00,207 - Incredible musician, one of the best musicians 783 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:03,079 ever came out of this area was David Sancious. 784 00:39:03,123 --> 00:39:06,953 - Billy Ryan was a monster, a monster. 785 00:39:06,996 --> 00:39:09,956 I was in New York at the Brill Building, 786 00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:11,349 and there was a guy in there that had been working 787 00:39:11,392 --> 00:39:13,960 with Hendrix, says, what in the hell 788 00:39:14,003 --> 00:39:16,005 was that I saw on that stage? 789 00:39:16,049 --> 00:39:19,008 I said what, he said, that boy on guitar 790 00:39:19,052 --> 00:39:21,184 was as good as Eric Clapton and Jimmy Hendrix, 791 00:39:21,228 --> 00:39:23,752 what the hell is he doing in Asbury Park. 792 00:39:23,796 --> 00:39:26,320 - It was fun because the music was so good. 793 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,801 There were lots and lots of great musicians 794 00:39:28,844 --> 00:39:31,717 coming through there, and a lot of them 795 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,372 had become, had risen to the top. 796 00:39:35,895 --> 00:39:37,984 - I like to tell ya, you know, I was dedicated, 797 00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:40,116 I was, I knew I was gonna make it, 798 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,338 you know, I was relentless, and I had the, you know, 799 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:47,950 I was persistent, that's bullshit, okay. 800 00:39:47,994 --> 00:39:52,172 I was not capable of doing anything else [laughs]. 801 00:39:52,215 --> 00:39:54,827 And when the smoke cleared, you know, 802 00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:57,699 the two freaks who really were not capable 803 00:39:57,743 --> 00:40:01,486 of doing anything else, who were left standing, 804 00:40:01,529 --> 00:40:04,445 which was me and Bruce Springsteen. 805 00:40:04,489 --> 00:40:05,838 [mellow instrumental music] 806 00:40:05,881 --> 00:40:07,274 - [Big Joe Henry] But the glory days 807 00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:10,059 for The Upstage and for the once-grand Asbury Park 808 00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:12,845 came to a sudden and almost fatal crash 809 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:16,718 on the Fourth of July, 1970, when a tragic flaw 810 00:40:16,762 --> 00:40:19,025 in the very foundation of the town 811 00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:23,377 finally gave way and brought everything down with it. 812 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,120 It promised to be a big holiday weekend. 813 00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:29,296 The Fourth fell on a Saturday, and local vendors 814 00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:31,864 were hoping crowds would come to the boardwalk 815 00:40:31,907 --> 00:40:36,390 to beat the heat and enjoy a full bill of entertainment. 816 00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:39,132 Glory Road was booked to play The Upstage. 817 00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:42,440 Mrs. Jay's had acid rockers, The Applecore. 818 00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:45,181 Over on the West Side, the Houston Person's trio 819 00:40:45,225 --> 00:40:47,053 was at the Orchid Lounge, 820 00:40:47,096 --> 00:40:50,056 and Norman Seldin & The Joyful Noyze 821 00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:53,755 was at the Banjo Palace in Long Branch. 822 00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:55,844 Patton was playing down at the Paramount, 823 00:40:55,888 --> 00:40:57,890 Hello Dolly! at the St. James, 824 00:40:57,933 --> 00:41:00,066 and Airport at the Mayfair. 825 00:41:00,109 --> 00:41:02,024 Promoter Moe Septee had two big shows 826 00:41:02,068 --> 00:41:04,331 booked at Convention Hall, Ten Years After 827 00:41:04,374 --> 00:41:07,943 on the fourth, followed by Jethro Tull on the fifth. 828 00:41:09,205 --> 00:41:11,164 And London it-girl Petula Clark 829 00:41:11,207 --> 00:41:12,513 was set to make a guest appearance 830 00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:16,256 at Steinbach's department store on Cookman. 831 00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:18,519 And then for reasons which are still not clear, 832 00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:20,782 the pot just boiled over. 833 00:41:22,131 --> 00:41:25,483 - Black people started complainin' that in these areas, 834 00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:29,095 there was nothing for the blacks beside the bars. 835 00:41:29,138 --> 00:41:30,531 Some people started complainin' that 836 00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:33,012 the meat markets were selling bad meat. 837 00:41:33,055 --> 00:41:35,928 East Side had everything for whites, everything. 838 00:41:35,971 --> 00:41:38,844 - If you don't have the jobs, if you don't have 839 00:41:38,887 --> 00:41:43,892 the recreation, if you don't have the single-family housing 840 00:41:45,285 --> 00:41:48,201 in the sense, that's, what we had was overcrowded. 841 00:41:48,244 --> 00:41:53,511 And for us, those who lived on the West Side, 842 00:41:53,554 --> 00:41:57,950 coming up, we didn't have access to all of the things. 843 00:41:57,993 --> 00:41:59,386 - This guy comes to Asbury Park high school 844 00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:00,953 and he says he's a Black Panther 845 00:42:00,996 --> 00:42:04,130 and he's bringing up all this violent stuff, 846 00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:06,175 and it wasn't the people who lived in our community, 847 00:42:06,219 --> 00:42:09,483 it was the people on the outside coming from other cities 848 00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:12,268 and places coming down to cause problems. 849 00:42:12,312 --> 00:42:16,142 - There was rumors that it was gonna happen. 850 00:42:16,185 --> 00:42:20,146 But not rumors that reached the East Side, 851 00:42:20,189 --> 00:42:21,408 it was on the West Side. 852 00:42:21,451 --> 00:42:23,845 There was a place called Al's House of Hits 853 00:42:23,889 --> 00:42:25,455 that was on Springwood Avenue, 854 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:28,589 and he knew what was going on, 855 00:42:28,633 --> 00:42:30,199 and he would say, you know, Nicky Vartin, 856 00:42:30,243 --> 00:42:34,508 next week or so and so, these guys are coming in. 857 00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:37,337 - I got the minutes from one of the meetings 858 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,342 that I had with the Mayor, Chief of Police, 859 00:42:42,385 --> 00:42:46,085 and I told 'em that what the young people were saying, 860 00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:50,524 the restlessness, they had nothin' for 'em to do, no jobs. 861 00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:55,181 Our police department was not prepared for a riot. 862 00:42:55,224 --> 00:42:59,577 - But the city was tense, and eventually it exploded. 863 00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,322 - It was the Fourth of July, 1970, 864 00:43:06,366 --> 00:43:09,021 and I was standin' right here, 865 00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:11,545 corner of Atkins and Springwood Avenue. 866 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:14,896 - Me and Bob had gone down to open up for the late set, 867 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,550 and we're setting up our bar stools, 868 00:43:16,594 --> 00:43:20,162 we sit down there at the door to the sidewalk, 869 00:43:20,206 --> 00:43:22,382 and we saw on the other side of Main Street 870 00:43:22,425 --> 00:43:27,169 at Bankers Furniture, the sidewalk's full of people, 871 00:43:27,213 --> 00:43:28,475 what's going on? 872 00:43:28,518 --> 00:43:29,737 - All of a sudden, out of the blue, 873 00:43:29,781 --> 00:43:31,609 the young man that was standing next to me 874 00:43:31,652 --> 00:43:33,698 pulled out a Molotov cocktail, lit it, 875 00:43:33,741 --> 00:43:36,048 and threw it at a car that was passing by. 876 00:43:36,091 --> 00:43:38,616 It went from just another quiet day 877 00:43:38,659 --> 00:43:41,227 to, all hell broke loose. 878 00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:44,622 - And it happened so quick that all of a sudden, 879 00:43:44,665 --> 00:43:46,014 people are rioting in the streets, 880 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,234 they're burning buildings, 881 00:43:48,277 --> 00:43:50,410 they're attacking places and people. 882 00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:52,412 - Heard glass break and then saw a guy throw 883 00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:55,415 a Molotov cocktail into the building. 884 00:43:55,458 --> 00:43:57,069 And I turned around to Bob, 885 00:43:57,112 --> 00:44:00,115 and he was already halfway up the stairs. 886 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:03,249 I grabbed the bar stools, locked the door behind me, 887 00:44:03,292 --> 00:44:06,948 and ran up and called the Asbury Park police, 888 00:44:06,992 --> 00:44:11,474 and said something like, there's a riot going on. 889 00:44:11,518 --> 00:44:16,523 [sirens wail] [dramatic instrumental music] 890 00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:18,960 - [Big Joe Henry] The Asbury Park Press 891 00:44:19,004 --> 00:44:20,962 reported the trouble had started at 11 p.m. 892 00:44:21,006 --> 00:44:24,009 and was out of control by four Sunday morning. 893 00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:26,272 Mayor Mattice ordered a state of emergency. 894 00:44:26,315 --> 00:44:28,100 [helicopter blades spinning] - We heard helicopters, 895 00:44:28,143 --> 00:44:30,972 I guess it was National Guard going over head, 896 00:44:31,016 --> 00:44:33,758 we heard gun shots, I remember running out of there 897 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:35,063 and running all the way home. 898 00:44:35,107 --> 00:44:37,022 [screaming and crashing] - You look out there, 899 00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:40,373 you saw people breaking the windows, 900 00:44:40,416 --> 00:44:43,115 setting fires, they were just ripping 901 00:44:43,158 --> 00:44:44,682 and robbing and stealing. 902 00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:48,511 - By that time, we were angry, we were angry. 903 00:44:52,777 --> 00:44:55,127 I'll try to rationalize it, I can't, 904 00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:58,434 I can't rationalize it, but I know that 905 00:45:00,349 --> 00:45:03,222 once you start something, you're in it, 906 00:45:03,265 --> 00:45:05,659 you know what I mean, once it got started, 907 00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:08,053 we were in it, we did what we could, 908 00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:09,707 we did what we had to do. 909 00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:12,144 - I was livin' in the Surfboard Factory, 910 00:45:12,187 --> 00:45:13,623 climbed on top of the water tower, 911 00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:18,324 and the clouds billowed, billowed of the shore for days. 912 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:23,677 - I can remember that the very first time I was out, 913 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:26,332 and we were playing, and we saw a big cloud 914 00:45:26,375 --> 00:45:29,030 of black smoke, and we were wondering, 915 00:45:29,074 --> 00:45:33,731 what is that, it's like the whole sky turned black. 916 00:45:33,774 --> 00:45:38,213 And of course, we didn't know that it was the riot, 917 00:45:38,257 --> 00:45:40,172 but we later did find out. 918 00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:44,263 We were playing, black kids and white kids playing together, 919 00:45:44,306 --> 00:45:47,527 and it seemed like the next day we had, 920 00:45:48,789 --> 00:45:51,226 we were in different worlds. 921 00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:55,361 - [Big Joe Henry] Police Chief Tommy Smith 922 00:45:55,404 --> 00:45:57,189 reported the Asbury Fire Department 923 00:45:57,232 --> 00:45:59,539 was being stoned and attacked as they worked 924 00:45:59,582 --> 00:46:03,412 to fight the fires raging up and down Springwood Avenue. 925 00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:06,198 - We go down there where the, like the fire engine 926 00:46:06,241 --> 00:46:09,592 and the truck, and we used to have a tiller man 927 00:46:09,636 --> 00:46:11,072 which is in the back of the truck, 928 00:46:11,116 --> 00:46:12,291 and he'd steer the back 929 00:46:12,334 --> 00:46:15,207 and the front guy would steer the front. 930 00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:18,558 And that poor bastard, whoever it was in that tiller, 931 00:46:18,601 --> 00:46:21,735 you know, they'd throw piles of bricks at him, 932 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,825 everything, it just, I mean, it was pitiful. 933 00:46:24,869 --> 00:46:27,219 Yeah, and how you come out alive was beyond me. 934 00:46:27,262 --> 00:46:29,569 - I'm sitting on my porch looking at this, 935 00:46:29,612 --> 00:46:32,311 and all of a sudden, all the fires, 936 00:46:32,354 --> 00:46:34,269 after about an hour and a half, 937 00:46:34,313 --> 00:46:36,228 we're looking, I said, dad, look at that. 938 00:46:36,271 --> 00:46:40,406 Rats runnin' down the street, lice and rats and rodents 939 00:46:40,449 --> 00:46:43,104 just comin' down, runnin' away from the fires. 940 00:46:43,148 --> 00:46:44,845 - [Big Joe Henry] Police from seven surrounding towns 941 00:46:44,889 --> 00:46:47,413 rushed to Asbury's aid as the trouble began 942 00:46:47,456 --> 00:46:49,850 to spread to Neptune with broken windows 943 00:46:49,894 --> 00:46:52,200 and a robbery at the Neptune dinner. 944 00:46:52,244 --> 00:46:54,420 - I remember that day very well, 945 00:46:54,463 --> 00:46:57,249 coming over here because everybody was concerned 946 00:46:57,292 --> 00:46:59,120 about The Upstage club, I mean, 947 00:46:59,164 --> 00:47:01,383 all the buildings in the area were burning, 948 00:47:01,427 --> 00:47:03,646 especially to one block west of here, 949 00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:05,257 the whole block was burning. 950 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,912 - The heat from Bankers, the furniture store, 951 00:47:07,955 --> 00:47:11,263 you could feel it at the front of The Upstage. 952 00:47:11,306 --> 00:47:14,222 You could feel it, I was on the roof of The Upstage, 953 00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:15,745 you could feel it. 954 00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:17,704 - My grandfather was on the roof 955 00:47:17,747 --> 00:47:22,274 with a shotgun and watching all of the chaos 956 00:47:22,317 --> 00:47:23,623 take place below. 957 00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:26,278 - The weirdest thing, he had a friend of his 958 00:47:26,321 --> 00:47:28,280 from Philadelphia who just happened to be in town 959 00:47:28,323 --> 00:47:31,370 who played Scottish bagpipes. 960 00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:34,852 And he went up on the roof and played the bagpipes 961 00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:38,638 while this, we could hear gunshots and flames going up. 962 00:47:38,681 --> 00:47:39,944 - And I remember guys that, you know, 963 00:47:39,987 --> 00:47:43,861 I used to think were very nice, sweet guys, 964 00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:47,473 gettin' riffles and standing on the roof. 965 00:47:48,996 --> 00:47:52,217 Like it was hunting season, you know. 966 00:47:53,783 --> 00:47:56,743 It got weird for a minute there. 967 00:47:56,786 --> 00:48:00,747 - I was sitting on the stairs by the front door, 968 00:48:04,272 --> 00:48:08,320 and some dude opened the door with a lit Molotov, 969 00:48:08,363 --> 00:48:10,844 and I pointed my shotgun at his head, 970 00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:15,893 and I said just go away, and he did [laughs]. 971 00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:18,634 - [Big Joe Henry] By Tuesday, the commuter train 972 00:48:18,678 --> 00:48:21,507 from New York was skipping the Asbury station, 973 00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:24,423 Jersey Central Power and Light had cut off power 974 00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:27,426 to a six-block area around Springwood Avenue, 975 00:48:27,469 --> 00:48:30,690 and the protesters presented a list of 22 demands 976 00:48:30,733 --> 00:48:33,345 to Mayor Mattice, including the removal 977 00:48:33,388 --> 00:48:36,000 of City Magistrate Eugene Capibianco. 978 00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:38,785 - There are multiple things that could have caused it. 979 00:48:38,828 --> 00:48:40,004 When you live in a city like this 980 00:48:40,047 --> 00:48:43,529 where it's 40% black and there's a, 981 00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:46,358 not enough employment for our youth 982 00:48:46,401 --> 00:48:48,926 and there's so many social ills 983 00:48:48,969 --> 00:48:51,624 that would have to be corrected. 984 00:48:51,667 --> 00:48:53,495 - [Big Joe Henry] And then 100 New Jersey 985 00:48:53,539 --> 00:48:57,021 State Troopers joined the fray and shut it all down. 986 00:48:57,064 --> 00:48:59,719 - Troopers makin' sure that you did not get 987 00:48:59,762 --> 00:49:01,547 across Main Street. 988 00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:06,595 - Right here at Memorial Drive and Springwood Avenue, 989 00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:10,382 seemed like the whole community was lined up. 990 00:49:10,425 --> 00:49:12,862 And they had bricks and bottles and stuff, 991 00:49:12,906 --> 00:49:16,475 and as we were running, they were throwing 992 00:49:17,824 --> 00:49:21,349 over our heads at the oncoming police officers. 993 00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:23,003 - Everybody was there who had a gun 994 00:49:23,047 --> 00:49:25,397 and protect Asbury Park from the riots 995 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,269 going from the West Side to the East Side. 996 00:49:28,313 --> 00:49:31,925 - The Asbury police at the time were pretty aggressive, 997 00:49:31,969 --> 00:49:34,449 you know, for this area. 998 00:49:34,493 --> 00:49:37,365 - As we were running along Springwood Avenue, 999 00:49:37,409 --> 00:49:39,933 the police were shooting, they were shooting, 1000 00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:42,588 and we thought that they were shooting pellets, 1001 00:49:42,631 --> 00:49:45,591 but a young man that was running with me got shot, 1002 00:49:45,634 --> 00:49:47,985 he got hit in the leg with the .38, 1003 00:49:48,028 --> 00:49:51,423 and it went through his leg, hit an artery. 1004 00:49:51,466 --> 00:49:52,990 I borrowed a woman's petticoat, 1005 00:49:53,033 --> 00:49:56,863 she ripped her slip, and I made a tourniquet out of that, 1006 00:49:56,906 --> 00:49:59,474 and I actually saved his life. 1007 00:50:00,606 --> 00:50:02,825 - It truly was ugly, you know, I can remember 1008 00:50:02,869 --> 00:50:05,741 the State Troopers, two in the front, two in the back, 1009 00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:08,353 and they got this guy squashed in the middle. 1010 00:50:08,396 --> 00:50:10,746 Pulled him over, guy took his keys, 1011 00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:13,619 opened up the truck loaded with gasoline, 1012 00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:16,404 Molotov cocktails, everything, I was like, 1013 00:50:16,448 --> 00:50:21,453 these Troopers annihilated these guys, they pulverized 'em. 1014 00:50:22,628 --> 00:50:25,805 - You're hearing about people being accosted 1015 00:50:25,848 --> 00:50:29,461 by the state police and put in trunks of cars, 1016 00:50:29,504 --> 00:50:32,812 and you're scared, everybody's scared, 1017 00:50:32,855 --> 00:50:35,815 you don't wanna go out, you don't wanna walk the streets. 1018 00:50:35,858 --> 00:50:38,948 You can smell fire, smoke everywhere, 1019 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:45,564 you know, that was a very dark, very dark time. 1020 00:50:45,607 --> 00:50:47,174 - [Big Joe Henry] When the smoke cleared, 1021 00:50:47,218 --> 00:50:49,916 eight big buildings had been completely destroyed by fire, 1022 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:53,398 75% of the businesses on Springwood Avenue were damaged 1023 00:50:53,441 --> 00:50:55,704 and closed, never to reopen. 1024 00:50:56,618 --> 00:51:00,405 [mournful instrumental music] 1025 00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:10,458 - All the citizens of Asbury Park 1026 00:51:10,502 --> 00:51:13,113 have been irreparably damaged. 1027 00:51:13,157 --> 00:51:17,378 I observe that the burnings were indiscriminate. 1028 00:51:18,727 --> 00:51:21,774 Many black businesses were burned, as well as white. 1029 00:51:21,817 --> 00:51:25,560 It took no great judgment for me to conclude 1030 00:51:28,868 --> 00:51:31,392 that this is a disaster area. 1031 00:51:32,219 --> 00:51:33,525 - [Reporter] Whatever happens now, 1032 00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:36,571 Asbury Park will never again be the same. 1033 00:51:36,615 --> 00:51:38,573 This small but tragically typical ghetto, 1034 00:51:38,617 --> 00:51:41,924 the rioting has meant a venting of long-simmering anger, 1035 00:51:41,968 --> 00:51:44,188 a desperate expression of frustration. 1036 00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:45,972 The people of Asbury Park's West Side 1037 00:51:46,015 --> 00:51:48,148 don't feel much like talking now. 1038 00:51:48,192 --> 00:51:50,759 They too are shocked and worried 1039 00:51:50,803 --> 00:51:54,067 about the chances for a really better tomorrow. 1040 00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:55,895 Jeff Kamen, NBC news. 1041 00:51:57,201 --> 00:51:59,203 - Some of the people lived on Springwood Avenue 1042 00:51:59,246 --> 00:52:03,903 above the stores, and it was like slumlord, you know. 1043 00:52:03,946 --> 00:52:06,775 They just got tired, they say, well if you tear it down, 1044 00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:08,777 they got to build us something new, 1045 00:52:08,821 --> 00:52:10,605 they gotta build it up. 1046 00:52:10,649 --> 00:52:12,738 They wouldn't have any idea that it was gonna 1047 00:52:12,781 --> 00:52:15,088 be like this now, what it is now. 1048 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:18,135 - They were living in terrible conditions, 1049 00:52:18,178 --> 00:52:21,050 so they burnt it down, and it was, 1050 00:52:23,227 --> 00:52:25,446 you know, really mind-boggling 1051 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:28,884 that it happened in our little corner of the world. 1052 00:52:28,928 --> 00:52:32,627 You had seen it in Detroit and Newark and like that, 1053 00:52:32,671 --> 00:52:34,760 but in Asbury Park, it just seemed so strange, 1054 00:52:34,803 --> 00:52:36,936 but it was understandable. 1055 00:52:38,285 --> 00:52:42,159 - It was just a phenomena, it was, sort of a tired 1056 00:52:43,508 --> 00:52:46,859 of being sick and tired kinda thing, 1057 00:52:46,902 --> 00:52:49,601 and they exhibited it, their anger 1058 00:52:49,644 --> 00:52:52,604 and their frustration in a violent way. 1059 00:52:52,647 --> 00:52:55,128 - When it happened in Asbury, it didn't surprise me. 1060 00:52:55,172 --> 00:52:56,956 Growin' up in the late 60's, you see, 1061 00:52:56,999 --> 00:52:59,915 I remember the marches, I remember graphic images 1062 00:52:59,959 --> 00:53:01,874 of water hoses down in Alabama. 1063 00:53:01,917 --> 00:53:04,616 When Martin Luther King was killed and Bobby Kennedy, 1064 00:53:04,659 --> 00:53:07,053 and I remember the rise of the Black Panther Party. 1065 00:53:07,096 --> 00:53:09,142 When they shot the kids at Kent State, 1066 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:10,535 I remember seeing that on television, 1067 00:53:10,578 --> 00:53:12,058 I was like, what are they doing? 1068 00:53:12,101 --> 00:53:13,494 What are they doing to these people? 1069 00:53:13,538 --> 00:53:15,627 - It was a sad moment in the city's history, 1070 00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:20,066 but it probably needed to happen, it needed to happen. 1071 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:22,982 - [Big Joe Henry] And the town of Asbury Park 1072 00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:25,245 was started on a steep and destructive spiral 1073 00:53:25,289 --> 00:53:26,638 which would bring it over the course 1074 00:53:26,681 --> 00:53:28,988 of the next several decades to a state 1075 00:53:29,031 --> 00:53:31,120 of complete urban blight. 1076 00:53:32,644 --> 00:53:35,516 - When the riots happened, everything closed up. 1077 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,171 Took the wind out of everybody's sails. 1078 00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:41,087 - Many of us that grew up in this town 1079 00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:45,222 went to either the Boys Club or any number of places 1080 00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:49,226 where we didn't know race issues at that time, 1081 00:53:49,269 --> 00:53:51,184 and it was a rude awakening in many cases, 1082 00:53:51,228 --> 00:53:53,055 because for a lot of those people, 1083 00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:57,712 they were living those issues every day of their life. 1084 00:54:00,019 --> 00:54:03,718 [ominous instrumental music] 1085 00:54:09,289 --> 00:54:11,683 - Not everybody on the West Side participated 1086 00:54:11,726 --> 00:54:14,686 in the riots, but it seemed that everybody had to pay 1087 00:54:14,729 --> 00:54:16,078 for the problems that existed. 1088 00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:18,559 They weren't involved, but they found it hard 1089 00:54:18,603 --> 00:54:21,562 to find jobs, they were considered to be trouble-makers, 1090 00:54:21,606 --> 00:54:23,651 even though they might have tried to help out, 1091 00:54:23,695 --> 00:54:25,914 even after the riots, they were looked upon 1092 00:54:25,958 --> 00:54:28,090 as being violent individuals, 1093 00:54:28,134 --> 00:54:31,050 and individuals that couldn't be trusted. 1094 00:54:31,093 --> 00:54:32,660 - I don't know if they were being punished, 1095 00:54:32,704 --> 00:54:35,881 but just the money factor was not there. 1096 00:54:35,924 --> 00:54:40,581 The investors decided not to invest in that particular area, 1097 00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:43,715 and it made the people very, very disheartened. 1098 00:54:43,758 --> 00:54:46,761 But they just felt that we were being ostracized 1099 00:54:46,805 --> 00:54:50,156 and really, the West Side was just there. 1100 00:54:52,114 --> 00:54:56,728 The riots really, really turned Springwood Avenue 1101 00:54:56,771 --> 00:54:59,818 and the West Side outside down. 1102 00:54:59,861 --> 00:55:03,300 We lost all of the stores and the atmosphere 1103 00:55:04,953 --> 00:55:09,131 and the ability to really enjoy ourselves on the West Side. 1104 00:55:09,175 --> 00:55:11,220 I guess loss, a lost art, 1105 00:55:13,179 --> 00:55:16,051 as far as the music scene was concerned. 1106 00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:18,750 - And I think that has a long-term impact, 1107 00:55:18,793 --> 00:55:23,058 in fact, individuals who grew up in that era, 1108 00:55:23,102 --> 00:55:24,973 they don't even have the memories 1109 00:55:25,017 --> 00:55:27,933 of what it used to be, that is their life, 1110 00:55:27,976 --> 00:55:31,066 that's all they know, is the void 1111 00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:33,808 of the West Side of Asbury Park. 1112 00:55:36,028 --> 00:55:37,551 - [Male Speaker 2] Asbury Park went through 1113 00:55:37,595 --> 00:55:40,119 what a lot of cities went through during that time period, 1114 00:55:40,162 --> 00:55:42,208 taking the educational system down 1115 00:55:42,251 --> 00:55:45,037 and the property values down was probably the main thing 1116 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,388 that started Asbury into its downward spiral. 1117 00:55:48,432 --> 00:55:50,738 Did the riots play a factor? 1118 00:55:50,782 --> 00:55:51,783 Yes they did. 1119 00:55:51,826 --> 00:55:53,350 Did they ruin Springwood Avenue? 1120 00:55:53,393 --> 00:55:54,742 Yes they did. 1121 00:55:54,786 --> 00:55:56,396 Could the city have recovered from it? 1122 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:57,789 Yes it could've. 1123 00:55:57,832 --> 00:55:59,530 - What really kept Asbury Park down 1124 00:55:59,573 --> 00:56:03,360 was the greed, it was the corruption, it was the disrespect. 1125 00:56:03,403 --> 00:56:05,318 There were really some basic politics 1126 00:56:05,362 --> 00:56:08,669 played in Asbury Park, of corruption and control. 1127 00:56:08,713 --> 00:56:11,716 [smooth folk music] 1128 00:56:14,196 --> 00:56:17,722 You had all sorts of shenanigans going on. 1129 00:56:17,765 --> 00:56:20,202 Families members for generations being hired, 1130 00:56:20,246 --> 00:56:22,988 not because of qualifications or because of what 1131 00:56:23,031 --> 00:56:24,250 they could bring to the city, 1132 00:56:24,293 --> 00:56:26,121 but just because of those connections. 1133 00:56:26,165 --> 00:56:28,341 So it really was the old-fashioned, good-ole-boy network. 1134 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:32,432 - In the early 80's, the city concocted a scheme, 1135 00:56:34,216 --> 00:56:36,349 they're gonna sell the entire beachfront. 1136 00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:39,439 - Asbury Park used to have the most grand theaters 1137 00:56:39,483 --> 00:56:40,832 at the Jersey Shore. 1138 00:56:40,875 --> 00:56:43,400 The Mayfair was torn down over, what, 1139 00:56:43,443 --> 00:56:46,185 a tax dispute between the city and the owner. 1140 00:56:46,228 --> 00:56:47,795 - The guy that was gonna buy it 1141 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:49,406 had no construction experience, 1142 00:56:49,449 --> 00:56:51,190 no development experience, he was a, 1143 00:56:51,233 --> 00:56:53,235 quote, financial planner. 1144 00:56:53,279 --> 00:56:56,151 - [Ed] And then you had the revenue from the parking meters 1145 00:56:56,195 --> 00:57:00,286 evaporating in between collection and the bank account. 1146 00:57:00,329 --> 00:57:01,461 - I'll make a long story short, 1147 00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:03,332 they were gonna sell him every building 1148 00:57:03,376 --> 00:57:05,204 from the power plant to casino 1149 00:57:05,247 --> 00:57:06,988 to all the pavilions, the Convention Hall, 1150 00:57:07,032 --> 00:57:11,036 every building on the beachfront, one million dollars. 1151 00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:14,735 - People dismantled this town and put it in their pockets 1152 00:57:14,779 --> 00:57:16,998 at the expense of other people. 1153 00:57:17,042 --> 00:57:19,740 [explosions] 1154 00:57:19,784 --> 00:57:21,307 - [Big Joe Henry] Despite the hurdles, 1155 00:57:21,350 --> 00:57:24,745 there were occasional sparks of life along the boardwalk. 1156 00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:27,052 In the 80's, local builder Henry Vaccaro 1157 00:57:27,095 --> 00:57:29,750 led an attempt to revitalize the waterfront. 1158 00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:31,883 - [Vaccaro] I'm the guy that started the re-development, 1159 00:57:31,926 --> 00:57:34,755 and we brought Danny Devito to Asbury, 1160 00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,191 he had the world premier of his movie 1161 00:57:36,235 --> 00:57:37,976 Throw Mama from the Train at the Berkeley 1162 00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:40,457 Carterwood Hotel, and then he had 1163 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,241 the premier across the street at the Paramount, 1164 00:57:42,284 --> 00:57:46,245 I mean, this was, it was, it was good times. 1165 00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:47,551 - [Big Joe Henry] But a lost summer season 1166 00:57:47,594 --> 00:57:50,467 due to a sewage spill and the SNL crisis 1167 00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:53,861 bankrupted Vaccaro and his partners. 1168 00:57:53,905 --> 00:57:57,299 - We had the period of time between the 80's and 90's, 1169 00:57:57,343 --> 00:58:00,259 which is 10, 20 years even after the riots, 1170 00:58:00,302 --> 00:58:03,523 where it's very barren, it's void. 1171 00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:08,136 There's nothing to reach for, there's a void of music, 1172 00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:14,229 there's a void of purpose, this spirit is broken. 1173 00:58:14,273 --> 00:58:16,493 - [Big Joe Henry] Asbury continued its long death spiral 1174 00:58:16,536 --> 00:58:20,540 until only one light remained lit on the Asbury shore, 1175 00:58:20,584 --> 00:58:23,108 the famed Stone Pony. 1176 00:58:23,151 --> 00:58:24,588 [invigorating rock music] 1177 00:58:24,631 --> 00:58:26,546 - We were pretty much, at that point, 1178 00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:29,941 the only business that was operational 1179 00:58:29,984 --> 00:58:32,944 on the oceanfront, but for the most part, 1180 00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:35,120 people weren't coming to Asbury Park 1181 00:58:35,163 --> 00:58:39,080 for any other reason other than to listen to music. 1182 00:58:39,124 --> 00:58:41,996 [upbeat R&B music] 1183 00:58:43,171 --> 00:58:45,522 - You got the gig at the Stone Pony, 1184 00:58:45,565 --> 00:58:48,002 and that's where we started out. 1185 00:58:48,046 --> 00:58:51,223 Steven was working with The Dovells, 1186 00:58:51,266 --> 00:58:53,965 an oldies act at the time, plus he was also working 1187 00:58:54,008 --> 00:58:56,489 on the New Jersey Turnpike. 1188 00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:58,622 This is a guitar player, magnificent guitar player, 1189 00:58:58,665 --> 00:59:01,538 songwriter, ranger, brilliant musician, 1190 00:59:01,581 --> 00:59:03,235 and he's out there with this Jack Henry, 1191 00:59:03,278 --> 00:59:05,150 and his hands would be like this, 1192 00:59:05,193 --> 00:59:08,153 and he'd be covered in asphalt, and I'm like, 1193 00:59:08,196 --> 00:59:10,590 Stevie, you can't do that, you know. 1194 00:59:10,634 --> 00:59:13,985 And so eventually, he joined the band that I had, 1195 00:59:14,028 --> 00:59:16,291 and we renamed it the Jukes, 1196 00:59:16,335 --> 00:59:18,467 and he kinda took over direction. 1197 00:59:18,511 --> 00:59:21,166 - We changed the sound of a bar band. 1198 00:59:21,209 --> 00:59:25,344 We had horns and almost, any bar band has to have horns. 1199 00:59:25,387 --> 00:59:27,564 - The sound was good, you know, 1200 00:59:27,607 --> 00:59:30,654 they would give us free drinks, which was key for me. 1201 00:59:30,697 --> 00:59:32,612 - I think we started on whatever the worst night was, 1202 00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:34,658 you know, Monday night or something. 1203 00:59:34,701 --> 00:59:36,311 - And we built a following, and then they gave us 1204 00:59:36,355 --> 00:59:38,575 Sunday night, so we had Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday, 1205 00:59:38,618 --> 00:59:42,535 the three worst nights of the week to play. 1206 00:59:42,579 --> 00:59:46,104 And we built up quite an audience. 1207 00:59:46,147 --> 00:59:48,541 - It was like, you know, 50 people, and then 100, 1208 00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:53,198 and 200, and then they fixed the roof [laughs]. 1209 00:59:53,241 --> 00:59:55,287 So maybe, maybe we won't close. 1210 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:57,376 - We had a vast repertoire of songs, 1211 00:59:57,419 --> 01:00:01,598 people would come and jam, Boz Scaggs came one night, 1212 01:00:01,641 --> 01:00:04,644 Jim Messina, Bruce would come down and jam. 1213 01:00:04,688 --> 01:00:05,906 - [Steve] We had a little notoriety, 1214 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:07,081 had gotten a little publicity, 1215 01:00:07,125 --> 01:00:09,910 so Bruce hanging out with us, you know, 1216 01:00:09,954 --> 01:00:11,346 brought a little bit more attention, 1217 01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:14,219 and so all of a sudden, we created a scene. 1218 01:00:14,262 --> 01:00:18,440 - And then they started to have other acts come in, 1219 01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:21,618 you know, The Ramones would come in, say, 1220 01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:25,926 or some band that had a following somewhere else. 1221 01:00:27,058 --> 01:00:29,495 - Rolling Stone magazine used to have, 1222 01:00:29,538 --> 01:00:32,280 the last page used to be a live review. 1223 01:00:32,324 --> 01:00:36,371 Miles Davis at the Fillmore, or you know, 1224 01:00:36,415 --> 01:00:38,286 Grateful Dead over here, or that, 1225 01:00:38,330 --> 01:00:42,639 and for us, they did Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays 1226 01:00:43,988 --> 01:00:47,295 at the Stone Pony [laughs], the Jukes. 1227 01:00:47,339 --> 01:00:48,601 - It's the same everywhere, I mean, 1228 01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:51,256 it's why local bands remain important, 1229 01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:55,042 because huge part of the thing that threads people together, 1230 01:00:55,086 --> 01:00:56,957 you know, you get a night of that, 1231 01:00:57,001 --> 01:01:01,092 the next day, back at your job, out on the street, 1232 01:01:01,135 --> 01:01:03,094 eh, it doesn't seem quite as bad. 1233 01:01:03,137 --> 01:01:05,183 These things make a difference. 1234 01:01:05,226 --> 01:01:10,231 Everybody's broken, so we are the fixer of broken things. 1235 01:01:11,406 --> 01:01:13,147 - And that residency was pretty historic, 1236 01:01:13,191 --> 01:01:14,975 lookin' back on it now. 1237 01:01:15,019 --> 01:01:16,760 - And it became more of an international place, 1238 01:01:16,803 --> 01:01:18,457 but at the beginning, it was just another 1239 01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:23,505 knockdown bar in Asbury Park, and it just grew from there. 1240 01:01:24,332 --> 01:01:27,074 ♪ I don't wanna go 1241 01:01:27,118 --> 01:01:28,728 - Biggest difficulties we had here 1242 01:01:28,772 --> 01:01:31,252 was the perceived notion that Asbury Park 1243 01:01:31,296 --> 01:01:34,342 was very scary place, it was violent, 1244 01:01:35,517 --> 01:01:37,084 it was a place you didn't wanna come. 1245 01:01:37,128 --> 01:01:41,132 So we did a lot of events to get people back into the city. 1246 01:01:41,175 --> 01:01:43,656 - As the Mayor of Asbury Park, 1247 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:48,182 I'm gonna declare Asbury Park to be the music capital 1248 01:01:49,401 --> 01:01:51,011 of the Jersey Shore. 1249 01:01:51,055 --> 01:01:54,014 [smooth soul music] 1250 01:01:56,364 --> 01:01:59,063 - You could feel it, things were startin' to happen again. 1251 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:01,021 Most of the clubs were only open on Saturday night, 1252 01:02:01,065 --> 01:02:02,719 then they were doin' Friday night, 1253 01:02:02,762 --> 01:02:05,417 and then Thursday night, and then Sunday, 1254 01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:07,506 you know, and it just sort of came together, 1255 01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:11,249 but as it came together, the people started coming back. 1256 01:02:11,292 --> 01:02:14,382 You could feel it, you could feel that the music was back, 1257 01:02:14,426 --> 01:02:18,343 and it just, just as it always carried the city before, 1258 01:02:18,386 --> 01:02:20,519 it just happened again. 1259 01:02:20,562 --> 01:02:25,045 - Right now the awesome power of music is behind me. 1260 01:02:26,264 --> 01:02:30,355 In navarrio, Joe, Joe Grushecky and The Houserockers. 1261 01:02:30,398 --> 01:02:35,273 [crowd cheers] [intense rock music] 1262 01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:39,756 - Light of day opened up slowly over the last 18 years. 1263 01:02:41,279 --> 01:02:42,759 One of the initial things, and important things 1264 01:02:42,802 --> 01:02:45,631 that I think it did was, it was another thing 1265 01:02:45,674 --> 01:02:49,243 that told people that there was life in Asbury Park, 1266 01:02:49,287 --> 01:02:51,593 that people would come here. 1267 01:02:51,637 --> 01:02:54,858 - A lot of us, you know, really are music experiences 1268 01:02:54,901 --> 01:02:56,729 is basically centered on Asbury Park, 1269 01:02:56,773 --> 01:02:58,339 and we kind of migrated here, we were drawn here 1270 01:02:58,383 --> 01:03:01,299 by it in a way, so we felt we had to give something back. 1271 01:03:01,342 --> 01:03:03,518 Now we're probably bringing in 10,000, 12,000 people 1272 01:03:03,562 --> 01:03:05,738 'cause we have a downtown come for another. 1273 01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:08,436 - Asbury Park is very important to us, 1274 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,093 because of the history and because of the mythology 1275 01:03:13,137 --> 01:03:14,312 surrounding it. 1276 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,191 [crowd cheers] 1277 01:03:24,235 --> 01:03:26,411 ♪ Nancy, who says 1278 01:03:26,454 --> 01:03:27,716 - [Big Joe Henry] At the other end of the boardwalk, 1279 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,241 Shep Pettibone opened the Paradise Nightclub, 1280 01:03:30,284 --> 01:03:32,112 followed by the Empress Hotel, 1281 01:03:32,156 --> 01:03:36,421 destinations designed to cater to the LGBTQ community. 1282 01:03:36,464 --> 01:03:38,205 - Straight people come into Paradise, 1283 01:03:38,249 --> 01:03:41,426 and they're like, wow, how did I never know this was here? 1284 01:03:41,469 --> 01:03:44,255 That's definitely the first thing they think of, 1285 01:03:44,298 --> 01:03:46,126 maybe not the first, the first probably is, 1286 01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:47,780 just so you know, I'm not gay. 1287 01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:50,435 Second thing is, wow, this place is wonderful. 1288 01:03:50,478 --> 01:03:55,179 [crowd cheering] [club music] 1289 01:03:55,222 --> 01:03:57,703 We are open for everyone, everyone is welcome, 1290 01:03:57,746 --> 01:04:00,140 that's always been part of Shep's motto. 1291 01:04:00,184 --> 01:04:02,882 I watched him give a speech that he had a vision 1292 01:04:02,926 --> 01:04:06,581 to bring people together, especially on a dance floor 1293 01:04:06,625 --> 01:04:10,759 where they can feel home and free and not afraid. 1294 01:04:10,803 --> 01:04:12,239 That definitely is what he created 1295 01:04:12,283 --> 01:04:15,199 when he bought and opened Paradise. 1296 01:04:16,896 --> 01:04:20,160 - And it was amazing thing in the first couple of years 1297 01:04:20,204 --> 01:04:23,903 of being here to have that type of establishment 1298 01:04:23,947 --> 01:04:28,560 open and be a draw, and it became a draw in and of itself, 1299 01:04:28,603 --> 01:04:29,909 like even though nothing else was ready 1300 01:04:29,953 --> 01:04:33,652 for the people to come, the people came. 1301 01:04:33,695 --> 01:04:37,264 - Everything else was just floundering a bit, 1302 01:04:37,308 --> 01:04:40,833 that Empress Hotel found a way to move forward, 1303 01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:43,314 and that Paradise, the Paradise club 1304 01:04:43,357 --> 01:04:46,752 was the happening place, and yes it was a gay club, 1305 01:04:46,795 --> 01:04:49,755 but I had fun going there myself. 1306 01:04:49,798 --> 01:04:50,974 - The good thing about Asbury, like I said, 1307 01:04:51,017 --> 01:04:52,627 it was a little bit of a city, 1308 01:04:52,671 --> 01:04:54,542 so the rules were a little more wide open. 1309 01:04:54,586 --> 01:04:57,894 Yes it was a gay bar, the people came across the tracks 1310 01:04:57,937 --> 01:05:01,680 either way a little bit, it was just a little more urban 1311 01:05:01,723 --> 01:05:04,901 and slightly more sophisticated. 1312 01:05:04,944 --> 01:05:06,903 It was dangerous still, I mean, it wasn't easy 1313 01:05:06,946 --> 01:05:09,862 for any of those folks, but it was, 1314 01:05:11,646 --> 01:05:13,692 there were places there for you to go. 1315 01:05:13,735 --> 01:05:18,349 That was, made Asbury very, very, very unique. 1316 01:05:18,392 --> 01:05:22,527 - Asbury Park, New Jersey, Jersey make some noise. 1317 01:05:22,570 --> 01:05:24,094 - I've said it a thousand times, 1318 01:05:24,137 --> 01:05:27,836 the gay community played a huge part in saving this town. 1319 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,491 Great things are happening, and when the gay community 1320 01:05:30,535 --> 01:05:32,972 decided they would set up shop to some extent, 1321 01:05:33,016 --> 01:05:34,931 in downtown and Cookman and all the rest of it, 1322 01:05:34,974 --> 01:05:37,542 and have all these galleries and great restaurants, 1323 01:05:37,585 --> 01:05:38,760 it was a great thing. 1324 01:05:38,804 --> 01:05:40,762 - And then they took it to the next level 1325 01:05:40,806 --> 01:05:44,505 because they've started to invest in Asbury Park. 1326 01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:46,681 And not just businesses, actually a lot of 'em 1327 01:05:46,725 --> 01:05:49,902 are business owners and actually residents. 1328 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:53,950 - It got so low that it was like an open space, 1329 01:05:53,993 --> 01:05:55,734 you know, it was an open city. 1330 01:05:55,777 --> 01:05:57,605 And the gay population come down 1331 01:05:57,649 --> 01:05:59,738 and begin to be real creative in town 1332 01:05:59,781 --> 01:06:01,348 and bring the town back. 1333 01:06:01,392 --> 01:06:05,396 They had some musicians, some artists come in, 1334 01:06:05,439 --> 01:06:07,572 and it was a place where suddenly, 1335 01:06:07,615 --> 01:06:09,966 there was room to create. 1336 01:06:10,009 --> 01:06:11,750 The fact that that was the foundation 1337 01:06:11,793 --> 01:06:15,406 of the new Asbury Park, and that it's been able 1338 01:06:15,449 --> 01:06:18,409 to hold on to that part of its identity 1339 01:06:18,452 --> 01:06:21,716 while being developed is a great thing. 1340 01:06:23,675 --> 01:06:26,721 - I think pretty much in Asbury, 1341 01:06:26,765 --> 01:06:29,420 being gay is tolerated everywhere. 1342 01:06:29,463 --> 01:06:31,596 Gay people came to this town, 1343 01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:34,425 renovated the beautiful Victorian houses, 1344 01:06:34,468 --> 01:06:38,820 and put their flag up, one of the first things they did. 1345 01:06:38,864 --> 01:06:41,432 - Am I proud of that flag behind me? 1346 01:06:41,475 --> 01:06:43,738 I think it's an important visual. 1347 01:06:43,782 --> 01:06:48,482 It's one of the things that, to people who come to visit 1348 01:06:49,875 --> 01:06:52,617 who might be gay, they get a sense, 1349 01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:55,011 they get an immediate sense of community, 1350 01:06:55,054 --> 01:06:57,056 an immediate sense of welcoming. 1351 01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:00,451 So I'm proud of it for the message that it has, 1352 01:07:00,494 --> 01:07:02,018 especially in light of some of the things 1353 01:07:02,061 --> 01:07:04,933 that have happened in the world. 1354 01:07:04,977 --> 01:07:07,501 I wanna make sure that I have a symbol 1355 01:07:07,545 --> 01:07:11,766 that welcomes anybody that wants to come to my town. 1356 01:07:11,810 --> 01:07:13,072 The two flags always fly together 1357 01:07:13,116 --> 01:07:15,640 because you can't be this without that. 1358 01:07:15,683 --> 01:07:19,513 [uplifting alternative music] 1359 01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:36,878 - There's been a rehabilitation, 1360 01:07:36,922 --> 01:07:39,533 if you will, of the East Side. 1361 01:07:39,577 --> 01:07:43,363 Simultaneously, there should have been 1362 01:07:43,407 --> 01:07:45,670 the same thing going on on the West Side, 1363 01:07:45,713 --> 01:07:48,499 but absolutely nothing has really happened 1364 01:07:48,542 --> 01:07:49,848 or changed on the West Side. 1365 01:07:49,891 --> 01:07:52,111 There's no real measurement, if you will, 1366 01:07:52,155 --> 01:07:56,855 of anything like what's been already taken place 1367 01:07:56,898 --> 01:07:58,161 on the East Side. 1368 01:07:58,204 --> 01:08:00,598 - West Side is still in dire need of development 1369 01:08:00,641 --> 01:08:04,036 and share in some of the prosperity 1370 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,951 that come to the city. 1371 01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:10,869 You forget when Springwood Avenue burned, 1372 01:08:10,912 --> 01:08:15,526 a tremendous loss of African American culture in the city. 1373 01:08:15,569 --> 01:08:18,833 And that's never quite come back 1374 01:08:18,877 --> 01:08:22,098 the way it was at one time, you know, 1375 01:08:22,141 --> 01:08:25,405 that'd be nice to see at some point. 1376 01:08:25,449 --> 01:08:28,104 - Music moves, and music unifies, 1377 01:08:29,192 --> 01:08:32,456 and music is the soul of Asbury Park. 1378 01:08:33,587 --> 01:08:34,980 - [Big Joe Henry] In a watershed moment, 1379 01:08:35,023 --> 01:08:38,418 music returned to the West Side of Asbury Park. 1380 01:08:38,462 --> 01:08:40,768 - Tonight, the Asbury Park Music Foundation 1381 01:08:40,812 --> 01:08:42,205 has the honor of bringing you all 1382 01:08:42,248 --> 01:08:46,165 one of the most historical concerts in over 40 years. 1383 01:08:46,209 --> 01:08:47,688 - [Big Joe Henry] For the first time 1384 01:08:47,732 --> 01:08:49,734 since the death of legendary Springwood Avenue, 1385 01:08:49,777 --> 01:08:51,823 a concert series was held in a new park 1386 01:08:51,866 --> 01:08:54,042 where the Great Cubas once stood, 1387 01:08:54,086 --> 01:08:56,088 the first public music on the West Side 1388 01:08:56,132 --> 01:08:58,177 in more than four decades. 1389 01:08:58,221 --> 01:09:00,179 - Put your hands in the air, come on! 1390 01:09:00,223 --> 01:09:03,878 [exciting soul music] 1391 01:09:03,922 --> 01:09:08,448 - We have five concerts out at the park, jam packed. 1392 01:09:08,492 --> 01:09:10,755 Not only the people from the West Side, 1393 01:09:10,798 --> 01:09:14,106 but even more maybe came from elsewhere. 1394 01:09:15,934 --> 01:09:18,632 [crowd cheers] 1395 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:20,808 - [Big Joe Henry] And although the death 1396 01:09:20,852 --> 01:09:22,245 of Springwood Avenue has silenced 1397 01:09:22,288 --> 01:09:24,551 the world-renowned jazz and blues of the West Side, 1398 01:09:24,595 --> 01:09:27,815 [upbeat gospel music] 1399 01:09:27,859 --> 01:09:31,515 the power of music lives on in the community. 1400 01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:36,041 - Music, music is powerful because it is therapeutic. 1401 01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:38,783 I know secular music has a way of moving people, 1402 01:09:38,826 --> 01:09:40,915 but there's nothing like the spirituals. 1403 01:09:40,959 --> 01:09:43,614 It is somethin' that kept our people, 1404 01:09:43,657 --> 01:09:46,225 even during the very difficult time in this country 1405 01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,793 as African Americans, and it is somethin' 1406 01:09:48,836 --> 01:09:50,795 that holds us, that keeps up even now. 1407 01:09:50,838 --> 01:09:54,015 [moving gospel music] 1408 01:09:57,802 --> 01:10:00,935 - This was a place where Ella Fitzgerald sang 1409 01:10:00,979 --> 01:10:04,069 and B.B. King and Duke Ellington, 1410 01:10:04,112 --> 01:10:06,202 the biggest, the greatest. 1411 01:10:06,245 --> 01:10:08,073 Can we bring that spirit back? 1412 01:10:08,116 --> 01:10:10,293 Well, then you'd have to bring 1413 01:10:10,336 --> 01:10:13,687 those kinds of people back, you'd have to have 1414 01:10:13,731 --> 01:10:16,124 more Bruce Springsteens walkin' the streets 1415 01:10:16,168 --> 01:10:18,779 of Asbury Park and shakin' hands with people 1416 01:10:18,823 --> 01:10:21,652 and saying to those on the East Side, 1417 01:10:21,695 --> 01:10:23,610 hey, why don't you bring some of these people 1418 01:10:23,654 --> 01:10:25,525 over here from the West Side and show 'em 1419 01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:27,919 what we got and see what they got, 1420 01:10:27,962 --> 01:10:29,921 because they have somethin' to offer. 1421 01:10:29,964 --> 01:10:34,273 - You have to proceed as if problems can be resolved, 1422 01:10:36,841 --> 01:10:40,584 and as if the sun's gonna rise in the morning, 1423 01:10:40,627 --> 01:10:43,717 and those better days are waitin', so. 1424 01:10:43,761 --> 01:10:46,024 - Let me tell you somethin', that same, 1425 01:10:46,067 --> 01:10:48,113 that same artistic blood that ran 1426 01:10:48,156 --> 01:10:50,246 in the veins of the forerunners 1427 01:10:50,289 --> 01:10:52,770 are in their grandchild and their great-grand children. 1428 01:10:52,813 --> 01:10:55,990 There's some very, very talented people here, 1429 01:10:56,034 --> 01:10:58,993 still, just waiting for an opportunity 1430 01:10:59,037 --> 01:11:01,169 to express their greatness. 1431 01:11:03,084 --> 01:11:06,087 [smooth rock music] 1432 01:11:11,702 --> 01:11:13,660 - [Big Joe Henry] In the shadow of the legendary Upstage 1433 01:11:13,704 --> 01:11:16,837 stands the future of music in Asbury Park, 1434 01:11:16,881 --> 01:11:19,623 the shiny, new Lakehouse Studios. 1435 01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:22,147 - You good? 1436 01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:23,366 - Mm-hmm. - Alright. 1437 01:11:23,409 --> 01:11:25,672 We're ready, we're ready. 1438 01:11:27,065 --> 01:11:29,763 [tuneful guitar music] - The kids are experts 1439 01:11:29,807 --> 01:11:33,071 in one thing only, what they like [laughs]. 1440 01:11:33,114 --> 01:11:34,681 You know? 1441 01:11:34,725 --> 01:11:37,031 And what do they like, they like music. 1442 01:11:37,075 --> 01:11:39,077 - Power music is alive at Lakehouse. 1443 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,036 The intention of Lakehouse was to create a place 1444 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,084 to nurture young musicians to out into the world 1445 01:11:47,128 --> 01:11:48,782 and sing their song. 1446 01:11:50,001 --> 01:11:52,830 What does it mean to go to Lakehouse? 1447 01:11:52,873 --> 01:11:54,397 - It's really cool there, actually, 1448 01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:57,965 like, there're really cool people there like this person 1449 01:11:58,009 --> 01:12:00,272 right here. [laughter] 1450 01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:01,578 - The Lakehouse is so important, 1451 01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:06,060 what John has done there is picked up the slack 1452 01:12:06,104 --> 01:12:10,238 where our government has let us all down. 1453 01:12:10,282 --> 01:12:13,329 Because when I was a kid, there were a lot of art programs, 1454 01:12:13,372 --> 01:12:15,331 there were a lot of music programs, 1455 01:12:15,374 --> 01:12:17,768 things that exposed you to areas 1456 01:12:17,811 --> 01:12:21,293 that you might not otherwise be exposed to. 1457 01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:24,775 - For me, from as early as I can remember, 1458 01:12:24,818 --> 01:12:26,777 it was really about music. 1459 01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:31,347 Music changed my state, literally changed my state. 1460 01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:34,698 It made life better, and I was all in. 1461 01:12:36,003 --> 01:12:37,962 - Music saved my life, I mean you know, 1462 01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:39,790 I don't know what I would do without it, 1463 01:12:39,833 --> 01:12:43,794 I was raised in New York City, actually in Queens, New York, 1464 01:12:43,837 --> 01:12:47,145 not a great neighborhood, not a lot of ambition, 1465 01:12:47,188 --> 01:12:49,060 just drugs and gangs. 1466 01:12:49,103 --> 01:12:51,802 If it wasn't for music, I wouldn't have any direction. 1467 01:12:51,845 --> 01:12:52,977 You're connecting to this, 1468 01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:53,978 I want you to connect to the audience. 1469 01:12:54,021 --> 01:12:55,371 I see kids all the time, comin', 1470 01:12:55,414 --> 01:12:57,808 walkin' through our doors, they're broken 1471 01:12:57,851 --> 01:13:01,202 they're you know, not holdin' their heads up. 1472 01:13:01,246 --> 01:13:04,423 I guess out of place at their school, 1473 01:13:04,467 --> 01:13:06,033 and they come to us at Lakehouse 1474 01:13:06,077 --> 01:13:08,166 and they find their niche, they find their family, 1475 01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:10,429 they find their home, they find their artistry, 1476 01:13:10,473 --> 01:13:13,171 creativity, all that, man, just really turns 1477 01:13:13,214 --> 01:13:15,434 a person around, you know, gives them direction 1478 01:13:15,478 --> 01:13:17,262 and a path to walk on. 1479 01:13:17,305 --> 01:13:21,266 [uplifting instrumental music] 1480 01:13:27,446 --> 01:13:30,362 We're gonna do somethin' called a rock and roll ending. 1481 01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:31,189 You know what that is? 1482 01:13:31,232 --> 01:13:32,146 - Yes. 1483 01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:33,844 - What's a rock and roll ending? 1484 01:13:33,887 --> 01:13:34,714 Go ahead. 1485 01:13:36,281 --> 01:13:39,850 Power of music at Lakehouse is also kids from different 1486 01:13:39,893 --> 01:13:42,940 neighborhoods, people of different religions, 1487 01:13:42,983 --> 01:13:47,988 different nationalities, social-economic upbringings, 1488 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,469 comin' together, they're all here, 1489 01:13:50,513 --> 01:13:52,123 and they play in bands together, 1490 01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:54,255 and the only thing they see is that 1491 01:13:54,299 --> 01:13:57,433 you're playing C chord, I'm gonna play a C chord, 1492 01:13:57,476 --> 01:13:59,130 and that's how we align. 1493 01:13:59,173 --> 01:14:01,349 Here we go, one, two, three. 1494 01:14:02,438 --> 01:14:05,441 [chaotic rock music] 1495 01:14:19,542 --> 01:14:21,065 - [Big Joe Henry] Some of the brightest lights 1496 01:14:21,108 --> 01:14:24,242 in Asbury Park are a group of 10 and 11 year olds 1497 01:14:24,285 --> 01:14:26,287 called the Lakehouse Junior Pros, 1498 01:14:26,331 --> 01:14:29,203 who've played more than 50 professional shows 1499 01:14:29,247 --> 01:14:31,467 since being formed in 2015. 1500 01:14:32,424 --> 01:14:34,818 [drumming] 1501 01:14:36,515 --> 01:14:38,561 - Jeremy's a star, and when I say a star, 1502 01:14:38,604 --> 01:14:40,563 he has light in him. 1503 01:14:40,606 --> 01:14:44,218 He's humble, he knows that, you know, 1504 01:14:44,262 --> 01:14:46,394 he can do some damage on the drums, 1505 01:14:46,438 --> 01:14:48,484 but he never acts that way, he comes in, 1506 01:14:48,527 --> 01:14:50,529 and he's ready to learn. 1507 01:14:50,573 --> 01:14:53,532 [drumming] 1508 01:14:53,576 --> 01:14:57,057 - I don't really care, like, who people like, 1509 01:14:57,101 --> 01:15:01,279 like gay, lesbian, bi, what skin color they are, 1510 01:15:01,322 --> 01:15:06,284 their religion really, all that matters is practicing 1511 01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:08,852 and making a good career out of music. 1512 01:15:08,895 --> 01:15:12,246 [enrapturing rock music] 1513 01:15:17,382 --> 01:15:22,082 - Everybody can relate to like, a certain band. 1514 01:15:22,126 --> 01:15:26,130 And like, me and Jeremy, we both love Blink-182. 1515 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,830 And like, we don't care that people say 1516 01:15:30,874 --> 01:15:33,354 that band's bad, and that's how we bond, 1517 01:15:33,398 --> 01:15:37,141 'cause we both like it, so it like brings us together. 1518 01:15:37,184 --> 01:15:40,318 [powerful rock music] 1519 01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:44,975 - Zakya walked, and I always tell this story, 1520 01:15:45,018 --> 01:15:47,934 she walked through our doors, she was nine I think, 1521 01:15:47,978 --> 01:15:49,240 not even, eight. 1522 01:15:50,981 --> 01:15:52,504 Not even four foot tall. 1523 01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:54,550 I asked her, I said, what do you wanna play? 1524 01:15:54,593 --> 01:15:57,988 And she thought for a second and she pointed at the bass. 1525 01:15:58,031 --> 01:16:00,294 And I said the bass, 'cause nobody ever says the bass, 1526 01:16:00,338 --> 01:16:02,340 they wanna play drums, they wanna sing lead, 1527 01:16:02,383 --> 01:16:04,560 you know, or rock out on the guitar. 1528 01:16:04,603 --> 01:16:06,474 She wanted the bass, I put it on her, 1529 01:16:06,518 --> 01:16:10,217 it was huge, and she's been non-stop since. 1530 01:16:11,523 --> 01:16:12,959 - At first I was like, oh my gosh, 1531 01:16:13,003 --> 01:16:14,178 oh my gosh, what I am doing, 1532 01:16:14,221 --> 01:16:15,353 oh my gosh, I'm not gonna be on stage, 1533 01:16:15,396 --> 01:16:17,007 oh my gosh, what am I, dah, dah, dah. 1534 01:16:17,050 --> 01:16:20,532 And now I just said, okay, hi, and then I just keep playing. 1535 01:16:20,576 --> 01:16:21,664 - [Big Joe Henry] And the Junior Pros 1536 01:16:21,707 --> 01:16:24,014 were invited to record an original song 1537 01:16:24,057 --> 01:16:26,407 with some of the veterans of The Upstage club. 1538 01:16:26,451 --> 01:16:28,235 - Uh oh, trouble's here. 1539 01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:31,369 [tuneful rock music] 1540 01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:47,559 ♪ Divin' deep in the city 1541 01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:51,389 ♪ Though we knew there was work to be done ♪ 1542 01:16:51,432 --> 01:16:55,611 ♪ On the boardwalk those girls look so damn pretty ♪ 1543 01:16:55,654 --> 01:16:59,919 ♪ On the circuit those machines came for us ♪ 1544 01:16:59,963 --> 01:17:01,181 ♪ Those poundin' hearts 1545 01:17:01,225 --> 01:17:02,356 - [Big Joe Henry] And the Junior Pros 1546 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,228 were invited to play that original song 1547 01:17:04,271 --> 01:17:06,317 at the Prudential Center in Newark 1548 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,189 to a sold-out audience of 16,000. 1549 01:17:09,233 --> 01:17:11,583 ♪ Dreams were waiting to scream ♪ 1550 01:17:11,627 --> 01:17:15,065 ♪ Were playing in time to our hearts ♪ 1551 01:17:15,108 --> 01:17:19,243 ♪ There mad dogs and guns that were waiting their turn ♪ 1552 01:17:19,286 --> 01:17:23,377 ♪ As a legacy waiting on tape 1553 01:17:23,421 --> 01:17:25,379 But the biggest dream comes true moment 1554 01:17:25,423 --> 01:17:28,339 for the Junior Pros came just a week later 1555 01:17:28,382 --> 01:17:30,254 when they were invited to play a sold-out 1556 01:17:30,297 --> 01:17:32,648 Paramount Theatre in Asbury Park. 1557 01:17:32,691 --> 01:17:34,606 On the bill with The Upstage veterans, 1558 01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:37,391 Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, 1559 01:17:37,435 --> 01:17:39,959 Little Steven and the Disciples of Soul, 1560 01:17:40,003 --> 01:17:43,093 and one very special surprise guest. 1561 01:17:43,136 --> 01:17:44,572 [exciting rock music] 1562 01:17:44,616 --> 01:17:47,488 ♪ She finally got the letter she was dreaming of ♪ 1563 01:17:47,532 --> 01:17:50,753 ♪ Johnny wrote and told her he had fell in love ♪ 1564 01:17:50,796 --> 01:17:54,147 ♪ As soon as he was married he would bring her back ♪ 1565 01:17:54,191 --> 01:17:57,455 ♪ And build a big mansion by the railroad track ♪ 1566 01:17:57,498 --> 01:18:00,632 ♪ So every time you heard that locomotive roar ♪ 1567 01:18:00,676 --> 01:18:04,157 ♪ She'd be standing there waiting in the kitchen door ♪ 1568 01:18:04,201 --> 01:18:09,206 ♪ Bye, bye, bye, bye 1569 01:18:11,164 --> 01:18:16,169 ♪ Bye, bye, bye, bye 1570 01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:22,132 ♪ Bye bye Johnny, goodbye Johnny B. Goode ♪ 1571 01:18:22,175 --> 01:18:25,744 - I think Asbury Park is a microcosm of the world 1572 01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:29,574 because there's so much here, and there are, 1573 01:18:29,617 --> 01:18:32,272 there's this polarized Asbury Park 1574 01:18:32,316 --> 01:18:34,710 with an East Side and a West Side, 1575 01:18:34,753 --> 01:18:37,495 and I think in anything in life, 1576 01:18:37,538 --> 01:18:40,541 having those two poles, putting them together 1577 01:18:40,585 --> 01:18:43,675 is when the electricity and the opportunity happens. 1578 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:47,331 [invigorating rock music] 1579 01:19:29,416 --> 01:19:31,636 ♪ If I had a dollar baby 1580 01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:34,073 ♪ Every broken heart 1581 01:19:34,117 --> 01:19:35,771 - Music does bring people together. 1582 01:19:35,814 --> 01:19:39,209 It is a bond that stood us in good stead 1583 01:19:39,252 --> 01:19:41,820 when we were musicians, teenagers. 1584 01:19:41,864 --> 01:19:44,736 ♪ Blues is my business 1585 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:47,391 ♪ And business is good 1586 01:19:47,434 --> 01:19:50,350 - It's that universal heartbeat, right, 1587 01:19:50,394 --> 01:19:54,180 that universal dance of life, you know, 1588 01:19:54,224 --> 01:19:56,443 that we all have in common. 1589 01:20:04,277 --> 01:20:06,366 - It was just a way of being part 1590 01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:09,108 of something bigger than you are. 1591 01:20:09,152 --> 01:20:11,415 I think people need that when things are bad. 1592 01:20:11,458 --> 01:20:15,419 ♪ When I woke up this mornin' Lucille was not in sight ♪ 1593 01:20:15,462 --> 01:20:18,683 ♪ Asked my friends about her but all their lips were tight ♪ 1594 01:20:18,726 --> 01:20:23,731 ♪ Lucille, please come back where you belong ♪ 1595 01:20:25,864 --> 01:20:30,826 ♪ Ain't done nothin' to you, I don't wanna do you no harm ♪ 1596 01:20:34,917 --> 01:20:37,876 [catchy rock music] 1597 01:21:15,958 --> 01:21:19,352 - Your job is to provide proof of life 1598 01:21:19,396 --> 01:21:23,487 to people that they're simply not alone, 1599 01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:26,490 that there is an us that is real 1600 01:21:26,533 --> 01:21:29,797 and that gets called up when the band leader 1601 01:21:29,841 --> 01:21:32,583 counts off, one, two, three, four. 1602 01:21:32,626 --> 01:21:35,673 There is a community that's brought forth, 1603 01:21:35,716 --> 01:21:38,894 there's a commonality that gets pulled out of people 1604 01:21:38,937 --> 01:21:43,899 that means something, has a direct result on their lives 1605 01:21:45,465 --> 01:21:48,468 and their life when they take it out of the building. 1606 01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:57,216 - The East Side and the West Side 1607 01:21:57,260 --> 01:21:58,652 can learn somethin' from the musicians 1608 01:21:58,696 --> 01:22:02,004 in Asbury Park, that we're able to come together 1609 01:22:02,047 --> 01:22:06,225 and work on harmony once we just not think about 1610 01:22:07,357 --> 01:22:10,534 color and those things that separate us, 1611 01:22:10,577 --> 01:22:11,927 well, let's think about some things 1612 01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:15,234 that bring us together, the things that cause joy 1613 01:22:15,278 --> 01:22:17,323 and happiness in our lives. 1614 01:22:17,367 --> 01:22:18,890 And if we can sing together, 1615 01:22:18,934 --> 01:22:20,370 we can definitely work together. 1616 01:22:20,413 --> 01:22:21,937 ♪ Go go 1617 01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:23,982 ♪ Go Johnny, Johnny B. Goode 1618 01:22:24,026 --> 01:22:26,724 - [Male Speaker 3] One more more time folks, everybody. 1619 01:22:26,767 --> 01:22:28,726 ♪ Go go 1620 01:22:28,769 --> 01:22:32,338 ♪ Go Johnny go go 1621 01:22:32,382 --> 01:22:35,254 ♪ Go Johnny go go 1622 01:22:35,298 --> 01:22:38,605 - They always say it's darkest right before dawn, 1623 01:22:38,649 --> 01:22:41,347 so we've been through the darkest hour. 1624 01:22:41,391 --> 01:22:43,262 We're not where we need to be, but you know, 1625 01:22:43,306 --> 01:22:46,744 we're definitely headed in that direction. 1626 01:22:54,795 --> 01:22:57,407 Asbury is never going back. 1627 01:22:57,450 --> 01:23:01,846 The only thing we're gonna be is the new Asbury Park. 1628 01:23:01,889 --> 01:23:04,849 [crowd cheers] 1629 01:23:04,892 --> 01:23:07,504 [laughter] 1630 01:23:07,547 --> 01:23:08,896 - [Male Speaker 4] Anybody wanna go home? 1631 01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:10,594 - [Crowd] No! 1632 01:23:10,637 --> 01:23:12,596 [upbeat soul music] 1633 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:15,773 - [Male Speaker 4] I was hopin' you'd say that. 1634 01:23:15,816 --> 01:23:16,904 Come on baby. 1635 01:23:17,862 --> 01:23:18,732 Alright! 1636 01:23:21,387 --> 01:23:23,520 Everybody clap your hands! 1637 01:23:26,653 --> 01:23:31,658 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 1638 01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:40,015 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 1639 01:23:44,845 --> 01:23:47,761 ♪ I know the time is getting late ♪ 1640 01:23:47,805 --> 01:23:52,679 ♪ But I don't want to go home 1641 01:23:52,723 --> 01:23:56,074 ♪ I'm in no hurry baby, time can wait ♪ 1642 01:23:56,118 --> 01:23:59,686 ♪ 'Cause I don't want to go home ♪ 1643 01:23:59,730 --> 01:24:00,861 ♪ Listen 1644 01:24:00,905 --> 01:24:04,952 ♪ Listen to the man sing his song ♪ 1645 01:24:04,996 --> 01:24:07,955 ♪ I don't want to go home 1646 01:24:07,999 --> 01:24:09,174 ♪ Baby 1647 01:24:09,218 --> 01:24:13,091 ♪ I don't mind to stay all night long ♪ 1648 01:24:13,135 --> 01:24:16,051 ♪ I don't want to go home 1649 01:24:16,094 --> 01:24:17,835 ♪ Because 1650 01:24:17,878 --> 01:24:22,666 ♪ I know we had to try 1651 01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:26,670 ♪ To reach up and touch the sky, baby ♪ 1652 01:24:26,713 --> 01:24:29,412 ♪ Whatever happened to you and I ♪ 1653 01:24:29,455 --> 01:24:34,460 ♪ Baby, I don't want to go home ♪ 1654 01:24:35,548 --> 01:24:38,551 ♪ Look at all the people saying, well ♪ 1655 01:24:38,595 --> 01:24:41,772 ♪ I don't want to go home 1656 01:24:41,815 --> 01:24:44,383 ♪ I know why, 'cause in their minds ♪ 1657 01:24:44,427 --> 01:24:46,733 ♪ They've all been there, that's right ♪ 1658 01:24:46,777 --> 01:24:49,127 ♪ I don't want to go home 1659 01:24:49,171 --> 01:24:51,129 ♪ And one more thing 1660 01:24:51,173 --> 01:24:54,915 ♪ I know the words to the song are real ♪ 1661 01:24:54,959 --> 01:24:59,572 ♪ I don't want to go home ♪ Yes I do, baby 1662 01:24:59,616 --> 01:25:03,098 ♪ I know it's talking about the way I feel now ♪ 1663 01:25:03,141 --> 01:25:06,753 ♪ I don't want to go home 1664 01:25:08,190 --> 01:25:12,542 ♪ I know we had to try ♪ I know, I know, I know 1665 01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:14,979 ♪ To reach up and touch the sky baby ♪ 1666 01:25:15,022 --> 01:25:16,981 ♪ To try 1667 01:25:17,024 --> 01:25:19,897 ♪ Whatever happened to you and I, baby ♪ 1668 01:25:19,940 --> 01:25:22,987 ♪ I don't want to go home 1669 01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:25,729 ♪ Now dig this 1670 01:25:25,772 --> 01:25:30,125 ♪ I want to hear people laughing ♪ 1671 01:25:30,168 --> 01:25:33,867 ♪ And having a good time, baby 1672 01:25:33,911 --> 01:25:38,916 ♪ I want to know why she told me she had to go ♪ 1673 01:25:41,788 --> 01:25:46,793 ♪ Why did she leave me so sad and lonely ♪ 1674 01:25:48,491 --> 01:25:53,496 ♪ Oh, somebody tell me why, tell me why, tell me why ♪ 1675 01:25:55,933 --> 01:25:57,935 ♪ I know it's time to go 1676 01:25:57,978 --> 01:26:00,981 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1677 01:26:01,025 --> 01:26:05,812 ♪ Brother, play the blues for me soft and low ♪ 1678 01:26:05,856 --> 01:26:07,727 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1679 01:26:07,771 --> 01:26:10,817 ♪ 'Cause I gotta go 1680 01:26:10,861 --> 01:26:15,039 ♪ I know we had to try ♪ No, no, no, no, no 1681 01:26:15,082 --> 01:26:19,217 ♪ To reach up and touch the sky ♪ 1682 01:26:19,261 --> 01:26:22,525 ♪ What happened to you and I, darlin' ♪ 1683 01:26:22,568 --> 01:26:24,527 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1684 01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:26,833 ♪ Somebody tell me, please 1685 01:26:26,877 --> 01:26:28,922 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1686 01:26:28,966 --> 01:26:31,011 ♪ 'Cause I gotta know 1687 01:26:31,055 --> 01:26:33,231 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1688 01:26:33,275 --> 01:26:36,887 ♪ I don't wanna go 1689 01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:40,934 ♪ I don't wanna go back home 1690 01:26:40,978 --> 01:26:45,200 ♪ 'Cause there ain't nobody with me back home ♪ 1691 01:26:45,243 --> 01:26:50,205 ♪ I said to give me one more ♪ I don't wanna go home 1692 01:26:51,728 --> 01:26:53,643 ♪ I'll tell ya ♪ I don't wanna go home 1693 01:26:53,686 --> 01:26:57,603 ♪ One more for the road ♪ I don't wanna go home 1694 01:26:57,647 --> 01:26:59,997 ♪ For that long, long lonely road ♪ 1695 01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,825 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1696 01:27:01,868 --> 01:27:04,219 ♪ For that long, long lonely road ♪ 1697 01:27:04,262 --> 01:27:05,829 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1698 01:27:05,872 --> 01:27:08,527 ♪ For that long, long lonely road ♪ 1699 01:27:08,571 --> 01:27:09,963 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1700 01:27:10,007 --> 01:27:12,618 ♪ For that long, long, long, long lonely road ♪ 1701 01:27:12,662 --> 01:27:14,664 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1702 01:27:14,707 --> 01:27:16,840 ♪ For that long, long, long, long lonely road ♪ 1703 01:27:16,883 --> 01:27:20,147 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1704 01:27:20,191 --> 01:27:21,105 ♪ Bartender 1705 01:27:21,148 --> 01:27:22,324 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1706 01:27:22,367 --> 01:27:25,065 ♪ Give me one more for the road ♪ 1707 01:27:25,109 --> 01:27:26,676 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1708 01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:29,200 ♪ For that long, long lonely road ♪ 1709 01:27:29,244 --> 01:27:31,202 ♪ I don't wanna go home 1710 01:27:31,246 --> 01:27:34,858 ["I Don't Wanna Go Home"] 1711 01:28:20,773 --> 01:28:21,861 - This is it. 1712 01:28:24,647 --> 01:28:25,691 Last man out. 1713 01:28:27,650 --> 01:28:31,654 It's the end of Upstage, time for somethin' new. 138991

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