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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,797 --> 00:00:04,383 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:38,084 --> 00:00:40,836 The area of manned spaceflight budget request for Apollo 3 00:00:41,128 --> 00:00:44,257 is being reduced by $42.1 million 4 00:00:44,549 --> 00:00:45,800 to $916.5 million. 5 00:00:48,135 --> 00:00:51,556 This reduction will be achieved by canceling the Apollo 15 6 00:00:51,847 --> 00:00:53,724 and 19 lunar missions, 7 00:00:54,016 --> 00:00:56,978 redesignating the remaining Apollo flights 8 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:59,188 as Apollo's 14 through 17. 9 00:01:01,607 --> 00:01:04,694 (inspirational music) 10 00:01:10,783 --> 00:01:12,159 Everything is going smoothly here 11 00:01:12,451 --> 00:01:15,621 at the Kennedy Space Center for the launch of Apollo 17, 12 00:01:15,913 --> 00:01:19,917 man's last trip to the moon in the foreseeable future. 13 00:01:20,209 --> 00:01:22,878 (dramatic fanfare) 14 00:01:25,423 --> 00:01:29,176 [Eugene Cernan] Three, two, one ignition. 15 00:01:29,468 --> 00:01:31,387 We're on our way, Houston. 16 00:01:51,032 --> 00:01:53,659 I believe that this nation should commit itself 17 00:01:53,951 --> 00:01:57,455 to achieving the goal before this decade is out 18 00:01:57,747 --> 00:01:59,248 of landing a man on the moon 19 00:01:59,540 --> 00:02:02,293 and returning him safely to the Earth. 20 00:02:02,585 --> 00:02:04,920 No single space project in this period 21 00:02:05,212 --> 00:02:07,465 will be more impressive to mankind, 22 00:02:07,757 --> 00:02:11,552 or more important for the long-range exploration of space. 23 00:02:11,844 --> 00:02:15,348 None will be so difficult or expensive to accomplish. 24 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,100 (dramatic music) 25 00:02:23,814 --> 00:02:26,233 The average taxpayer is entitled to ask 26 00:02:26,525 --> 00:02:28,194 what's in space for me? 27 00:02:29,862 --> 00:02:33,074 [Reporter] T minus 15 seconds, guidance is internal. 28 00:02:33,366 --> 00:02:36,619 12, 11, 10, nine, ignition sequence start, 29 00:02:39,372 --> 00:02:41,123 six, five, four, three, 30 00:02:42,917 --> 00:02:45,336 two, one, zero all engine run. 31 00:02:48,297 --> 00:02:52,426 Lift off, we have a lift off, 32 minutes past the hour, 32 00:02:52,718 --> 00:02:54,303 lift off on Apollo 11. 33 00:02:56,806 --> 00:02:57,807 [Neil Armstrong] Roger, we got a roll program. 34 00:02:58,099 --> 00:02:58,891 [Reporter] Tower cleared. 35 00:02:59,183 --> 00:03:01,686 [Bruce McCandless] Roger, roll. 36 00:03:05,564 --> 00:03:07,441 What does spaceflight do for people? 37 00:03:07,733 --> 00:03:09,735 It's a philosophical answer. 38 00:03:10,027 --> 00:03:13,948 It's exploration, it's the human spirit of going out there. 39 00:03:15,533 --> 00:03:19,829 The great thing we wanna know is where do we fit in? 40 00:03:20,121 --> 00:03:23,124 There's two questions that trouble us all 41 00:03:23,416 --> 00:03:25,000 at some point in our life. 42 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:27,211 Where did we come from? 43 00:03:27,503 --> 00:03:28,671 And are we alone? 44 00:03:30,131 --> 00:03:31,549 Without the space program, 45 00:03:31,841 --> 00:03:35,678 our economy would be hurled 50 years back into the past. 46 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:37,054 Think of it for a moment. 47 00:03:37,346 --> 00:03:41,350 GPS, weather satellites, telecommunications, the Internet. 48 00:03:41,642 --> 00:03:43,144 By the exploration of the moon, 49 00:03:43,436 --> 00:03:45,146 or by landing on the moon walking around, 50 00:03:45,438 --> 00:03:48,065 that led to a space program, 51 00:03:48,357 --> 00:03:50,151 which led to Global Positioning Systems, 52 00:03:50,443 --> 00:03:52,945 which led to so-called space assets, 53 00:03:53,237 --> 00:03:55,781 which have affected every thing. 54 00:03:56,073 --> 00:03:57,158 The reason to explore space 55 00:03:57,450 --> 00:04:00,619 is that it can boost our economy, period. 56 00:04:02,163 --> 00:04:06,125 It boost our economy as it changes the culture. 57 00:04:06,417 --> 00:04:08,544 People think differently. 58 00:04:08,836 --> 00:04:11,589 Think about the future, think about inventing something. 59 00:04:11,881 --> 00:04:13,174 Think about making a better tomorrow, 60 00:04:13,466 --> 00:04:15,676 rather than just surviving the day. 61 00:04:15,968 --> 00:04:16,635 [Bill] You go over the hill, 62 00:04:16,927 --> 00:04:18,804 you don't know what you're gonna find. 63 00:04:19,096 --> 00:04:20,139 And you're not gonna go over the hill 64 00:04:20,431 --> 00:04:22,767 unless you're curious about it. 65 00:04:24,310 --> 00:04:28,189 It transforms the intellectual outlook of a nation, 66 00:04:28,481 --> 00:04:32,526 when a nation embarks on something bold and audacious, 67 00:04:32,818 --> 00:04:36,739 such is going into deep space, as it did in the 1960s. 68 00:04:39,325 --> 00:04:41,994 (dramatic music) 69 00:04:43,829 --> 00:04:45,372 [Announcer] Today a new moon is in the sky, 70 00:04:45,664 --> 00:04:49,376 a 23 inch metal sphere placed in orbit by a Russian rocket. 71 00:04:49,668 --> 00:04:50,628 Here, an artist's conception 72 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,171 of how the feat was accomplished. 73 00:04:52,463 --> 00:04:53,714 A three-stage rocket; Number one, 74 00:04:54,006 --> 00:04:56,675 the booster in the class of an intercontinental missile. 75 00:04:56,967 --> 00:04:58,969 Its weight estimated at 50 tons. 76 00:04:59,261 --> 00:05:02,598 A smaller second stage took over at 5000 miles an hour, 77 00:05:02,890 --> 00:05:04,850 and carried on to the highest point reached, 78 00:05:05,142 --> 00:05:07,520 500 miles up, the artificial moon is boosted 79 00:05:07,812 --> 00:05:09,021 to a speed counterbalancing 80 00:05:09,313 --> 00:05:11,774 the pull of gravity and released. 81 00:05:14,026 --> 00:05:16,070 You are hearing the actual signals transmitted 82 00:05:16,362 --> 00:05:18,239 by the Earth circling satellite, 83 00:05:18,531 --> 00:05:21,492 one of the great scientific feats of the age. 84 00:05:21,784 --> 00:05:24,119 In 1957 Sputnik was launched. 85 00:05:25,663 --> 00:05:27,581 And if you ask me what drove the creation of NASA, 86 00:05:27,873 --> 00:05:29,708 it was the launching of Sputnik. 87 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,377 The public often thinks of Sputnik as, 88 00:05:31,669 --> 00:05:34,505 oh it's just an innocent little satellite that went beep. 89 00:05:34,797 --> 00:05:38,717 Let's part the curtains and you find out this was the shell 90 00:05:39,718 --> 00:05:41,971 of an intercontinental ballistic missile 91 00:05:42,263 --> 00:05:44,139 that had been hollowed out 92 00:05:44,431 --> 00:05:47,059 and a radio transmitter put in the head. 93 00:05:47,351 --> 00:05:50,813 That's what was flying over our heads in America 94 00:05:51,105 --> 00:05:52,606 on October 4th, 1957. 95 00:05:54,108 --> 00:05:55,693 Spooked us to no end. 96 00:05:56,819 --> 00:05:59,738 No one said oh, the frontier of exploration is breached. 97 00:06:00,030 --> 00:06:03,409 No, it was Soviet Union has a new high ground. 98 00:06:03,701 --> 00:06:05,661 They are our sworn enemy. 99 00:06:05,953 --> 00:06:07,872 We can't look bad in front of them. 100 00:06:08,163 --> 00:06:09,748 We've gotta do it too. 101 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,293 We need an agency to take care of this. 102 00:06:12,585 --> 00:06:14,962 A year later, NASA was founded. 103 00:06:16,088 --> 00:06:18,257 [Announcer] This special report brought to you by NASA, 104 00:06:18,549 --> 00:06:21,510 the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. 105 00:06:21,802 --> 00:06:23,095 What we had was something 106 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:26,682 that had come out of a very can-do spirit 107 00:06:26,974 --> 00:06:30,311 that came out of the spirit of winning World War II. 108 00:06:30,603 --> 00:06:33,397 It came out of the technology burst 109 00:06:33,689 --> 00:06:35,858 that was going on around the world at that time. 110 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:38,652 It came out of the imaginations of people 111 00:06:38,944 --> 00:06:42,489 like Wernher Von Braun, Willy Ley, and Walt Disney. 112 00:06:42,781 --> 00:06:45,784 In our modern world, everywhere we look, 113 00:06:46,076 --> 00:06:49,830 we see the influence science has upon our daily lives. 114 00:06:50,122 --> 00:06:51,790 Now here's a model my design 115 00:06:52,082 --> 00:06:54,543 for a four stage orbital rocket ship. 116 00:06:54,835 --> 00:06:56,003 It came out of the inspiration 117 00:06:56,295 --> 00:06:59,965 of people like Arthur C Clarke, and Robert Heinlein, 118 00:07:00,257 --> 00:07:02,176 and Isaac Asimov, and Silverberg, 119 00:07:02,468 --> 00:07:04,345 and all the great science fiction writers of the time, 120 00:07:04,637 --> 00:07:06,680 who were inspiring children, 121 00:07:06,972 --> 00:07:09,975 all kinds of people in that realm. 122 00:07:10,267 --> 00:07:14,188 And then we had the spark that ignited that passion 123 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,066 into a fire that was from Sputnik. 124 00:07:17,358 --> 00:07:18,067 People said, 125 00:07:18,359 --> 00:07:21,153 what happens if there's a hydrogen bomb orbiting head? 126 00:07:21,445 --> 00:07:23,072 If the Russians have the high ground, 127 00:07:23,364 --> 00:07:27,034 then we could be outmaneuvered in the next war. 128 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,036 The United States too, 129 00:07:29,328 --> 00:07:31,372 promised to launch an Earth satellite, 130 00:07:31,664 --> 00:07:33,582 but in our satellite program, 131 00:07:33,874 --> 00:07:35,793 we Americans got badly bogged down. 132 00:07:36,085 --> 00:07:37,586 Why, what happened? 133 00:07:37,878 --> 00:07:39,463 We had the money, the resources, 134 00:07:39,755 --> 00:07:41,382 and the scientific know-how. 135 00:07:41,674 --> 00:07:44,134 Unfortunately, a series of wrong decisions 136 00:07:44,426 --> 00:07:46,804 led us to frustration and failure. 137 00:07:47,096 --> 00:07:50,391 This order went out to the Armed Services. 138 00:07:50,683 --> 00:07:52,851 Let me read it to you. 139 00:07:53,143 --> 00:07:56,021 Recent news stories which have described certain projects 140 00:07:56,313 --> 00:07:58,691 as space flight projects 141 00:07:58,983 --> 00:08:00,985 have resulted in unfavorable reaction 142 00:08:01,276 --> 00:08:04,863 at Department of Defense and congressional levels. 143 00:08:05,155 --> 00:08:07,533 In any speeches or public releases, 144 00:08:07,825 --> 00:08:09,868 planned by you or your staff, 145 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,330 avoid the mention or discussion of space, 146 00:08:14,581 --> 00:08:17,459 space technology, and space vehicles. 147 00:08:19,503 --> 00:08:21,880 And so, by the summer of 1957, 148 00:08:22,172 --> 00:08:25,968 space had become a forbidden word in Washington. 149 00:08:26,260 --> 00:08:28,429 In totally realistic terms, 150 00:08:28,721 --> 00:08:31,849 Von Braun could've had us there in 1950. 151 00:08:32,141 --> 00:08:33,934 We need to understand, 152 00:08:34,226 --> 00:08:37,980 we would have launched a satellite in 1950. 153 00:08:38,272 --> 00:08:41,734 The reason we did not is because we didn't wish to. 154 00:08:42,026 --> 00:08:44,987 Panic set in, and after that people said okay, 155 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:47,865 let's regroup let's do something. 156 00:08:48,157 --> 00:08:51,744 It was your patriotic duty to become a physicist, 157 00:08:52,036 --> 00:08:53,704 a chemist, a mathematician. 158 00:08:53,996 --> 00:08:56,373 It was for America and for freedom 159 00:08:56,665 --> 00:08:59,918 that people said yes I wanna to become a cold war here 160 00:09:00,210 --> 00:09:02,671 for their freedom and for liberty. 161 00:09:02,963 --> 00:09:05,299 The history of human reaction 162 00:09:06,383 --> 00:09:09,470 to the threat of death knows no bounds, 163 00:09:12,056 --> 00:09:13,891 and knowing no bounds includes 164 00:09:14,183 --> 00:09:17,061 birthing an entire space program 165 00:09:17,352 --> 00:09:19,146 for the purpose of showing the world 166 00:09:19,438 --> 00:09:23,233 that we will not be bested by evil godless Communists. 167 00:09:23,525 --> 00:09:26,945 Such was the mood and attitude in the 1950s. 168 00:09:27,237 --> 00:09:29,364 [Narrator] Man had his first big success in space 169 00:09:29,656 --> 00:09:32,076 when the Russians pushed a man across the threshold. 170 00:09:32,367 --> 00:09:35,454 He was Yuri Gagarin, the astronaut the Russians lionized 171 00:09:35,746 --> 00:09:37,498 as the first to orbit the Earth. 172 00:09:37,790 --> 00:09:40,375 It was the propaganda coup of the year. 173 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:44,421 (crowd cheering and applauding) 174 00:09:49,176 --> 00:09:51,595 But why, some say, the moon? 175 00:09:51,887 --> 00:09:54,348 Why choose this as our goal? 176 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,936 And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? 177 00:09:59,228 --> 00:10:02,648 Why 35 years again, fly the Atlantic? 178 00:10:02,940 --> 00:10:05,025 Why does Rice play Texas? 179 00:10:05,317 --> 00:10:07,820 We choose to go to the Moon. 180 00:10:08,112 --> 00:10:10,197 We choose to go to the Moon. 181 00:10:15,702 --> 00:10:18,539 We choose to go to the moon in this decade 182 00:10:18,831 --> 00:10:21,959 and do the other things, not because they are easy, 183 00:10:22,251 --> 00:10:24,211 but because they are hard, 184 00:10:24,503 --> 00:10:28,382 because that goal will serve to organize and measure 185 00:10:28,674 --> 00:10:31,552 the best of our energies and skills, 186 00:10:31,844 --> 00:10:33,637 because that challenge is one 187 00:10:33,929 --> 00:10:35,681 that they're willing to accept, 188 00:10:35,973 --> 00:10:38,433 one we are willing to postpone, 189 00:10:38,725 --> 00:10:40,477 and one we intend to win. 190 00:10:40,769 --> 00:10:44,356 At the time that President Kennedy made his speech, 191 00:10:44,648 --> 00:10:47,025 we had never been to orbit. 192 00:10:47,317 --> 00:10:51,655 Just a little bit over a week before the Kennedy speech 193 00:10:51,947 --> 00:10:53,407 to the US Congress, 194 00:10:53,699 --> 00:10:54,992 we had launched Alan Sheppard. 195 00:10:55,284 --> 00:10:56,410 [Launch Control] Lift off. 196 00:10:56,702 --> 00:10:57,536 [Alan Shepard] Ahh, Roger, liftoff 197 00:10:57,828 --> 00:10:58,996 and the clock is started. 198 00:10:59,288 --> 00:11:00,289 We'd never been to orbit, 199 00:11:00,581 --> 00:11:03,542 and we were challenged to beat the Russians to the moon. 200 00:11:03,834 --> 00:11:05,669 So, to a great extent that initial challenge 201 00:11:05,961 --> 00:11:08,755 was one that I believe was geopolitical, 202 00:11:09,047 --> 00:11:11,216 but it also had the economic benefit 203 00:11:11,508 --> 00:11:14,011 to basically generate the enthusiasm 204 00:11:14,303 --> 00:11:17,931 and the passion within the American public. 205 00:11:18,223 --> 00:11:22,144 (engines roaring and inspirational music) 206 00:11:35,032 --> 00:11:38,452 The spurt of education, very, very important. 207 00:11:38,744 --> 00:11:41,163 I think that's almost as significant 208 00:11:41,455 --> 00:11:44,291 as are actual flight themselves, 209 00:11:44,583 --> 00:11:46,793 because it gave all the young people 210 00:11:47,085 --> 00:11:49,796 something to look forward to, and excitement, 211 00:11:50,088 --> 00:11:52,299 something that they can look up to. 212 00:11:52,591 --> 00:11:55,636 Everyday, I meet people now in their 50's, 213 00:11:55,928 --> 00:11:59,056 who said look, when I was a little kid, you know, 214 00:11:59,348 --> 00:12:01,266 you inspired me to become an engineer, 215 00:12:01,558 --> 00:12:04,061 or become a scientist, to becoming a doctor, 216 00:12:04,353 --> 00:12:07,064 and that gives me a sort of a sense of satisfaction 217 00:12:07,356 --> 00:12:10,525 that I was in a program that helped other people 218 00:12:10,817 --> 00:12:12,069 form good careers. 219 00:12:14,071 --> 00:12:17,407 (engines roaring to life) 220 00:12:18,867 --> 00:12:21,453 (dramatic music) 221 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:39,221 I think one of the greatest moments of the last century 222 00:12:39,513 --> 00:12:42,015 in the space program was the flight of Apollo 8. 223 00:12:42,307 --> 00:12:43,725 I was on that flight. 224 00:12:45,352 --> 00:12:47,271 At the time that we did it, 225 00:12:47,562 --> 00:12:51,108 I don't think we fully understood the significance 226 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,902 of the very first flight to the moon, 227 00:12:54,194 --> 00:12:56,530 the whole 240,000 miles. 228 00:12:56,822 --> 00:12:59,199 We were the pathfinders, we didn't land, 229 00:12:59,491 --> 00:13:02,661 but we checked the navigation, checked the communication, 230 00:13:02,953 --> 00:13:05,706 circled of the Moon and looked at the far side, 231 00:13:05,998 --> 00:13:08,834 the side that we never see from the Earth. 232 00:13:09,126 --> 00:13:11,628 (ominous music) 233 00:13:28,437 --> 00:13:31,273 We brought back with us a photograph 234 00:13:32,733 --> 00:13:34,776 of the Earth from the Moon. 235 00:13:35,986 --> 00:13:38,322 And we called Earthrise, 236 00:13:38,613 --> 00:13:41,742 which in I think is just one picture 237 00:13:42,034 --> 00:13:45,954 told us how insignificant we all are here on Earth. 238 00:13:49,041 --> 00:13:52,461 The Earth is really a small planet, 239 00:13:52,753 --> 00:13:55,172 that just so happened to be at the right distance 240 00:13:55,464 --> 00:13:58,050 and the right mass to sustain life 241 00:13:59,551 --> 00:14:01,303 going around a rather normal star, 242 00:14:01,595 --> 00:14:05,974 and that star is in the outer edge of a galaxy 243 00:14:06,266 --> 00:14:07,851 called the Milky Way, 244 00:14:08,143 --> 00:14:11,980 just one of millions of galaxies in our universe. 245 00:14:14,191 --> 00:14:17,903 And maybe just for a small amount of time 246 00:14:18,195 --> 00:14:22,115 in December of 1968 everyone kind of felt a closeness 247 00:14:23,450 --> 00:14:25,619 that we had not felt before. 248 00:14:27,329 --> 00:14:28,955 For the first time in history today, 249 00:14:29,247 --> 00:14:32,751 man got a long distance live view of the planet he lives on, 250 00:14:33,043 --> 00:14:35,670 transmitted and described by the first three human beings 251 00:14:35,962 --> 00:14:37,464 to travel to the moon. 252 00:14:37,756 --> 00:14:38,799 The Apollo 8 astronauts 253 00:14:39,091 --> 00:14:40,884 sent back those pictures this afternoon, 254 00:14:41,176 --> 00:14:41,927 and we'll have more 255 00:14:42,219 --> 00:14:44,805 along with the full story later in this broadcast. 256 00:14:45,097 --> 00:14:46,348 I think what happened 257 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,477 was Kennedy wanting to demonstrate to the Soviets 258 00:14:50,769 --> 00:14:53,397 that we were the biggest, baddest kids on the block, 259 00:14:53,688 --> 00:14:54,481 that our technology will kick 260 00:14:54,773 --> 00:14:57,109 your technology's ass any time. 261 00:14:57,401 --> 00:15:00,070 And it worked, and it was glorious, 262 00:15:00,362 --> 00:15:04,032 but it wasn't sustainable because it was a crisis project. 263 00:15:04,324 --> 00:15:06,493 If it was actually about exploration, 264 00:15:06,785 --> 00:15:10,038 and about the scientific frontier being pushed outward, 265 00:15:10,330 --> 00:15:12,207 if it were actually about that, 266 00:15:12,499 --> 00:15:14,126 maybe we would have had a scientist 267 00:15:14,418 --> 00:15:16,044 on the first mission to the Moon, 268 00:15:16,336 --> 00:15:18,463 but no there was no scientist on Apollo 11, 269 00:15:18,755 --> 00:15:21,007 nor on Apollo 12, or Apollo 13, 270 00:15:21,299 --> 00:15:24,469 or Apollo 14, or Apollo 15, or Apollo 16. 271 00:15:25,637 --> 00:15:28,557 The first scientist was on Apollo 17, 272 00:15:29,599 --> 00:15:33,270 and Apollo 17 was the last mission to the Moon. 273 00:15:33,562 --> 00:15:36,064 There was not a statement made 274 00:15:36,356 --> 00:15:38,108 that we're gonna go to the moon 275 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,360 and establishing a human community. 276 00:15:40,652 --> 00:15:42,279 We're not gonna go, you know, 277 00:15:42,571 --> 00:15:44,156 the Moon and then on to Mars. 278 00:15:44,448 --> 00:15:46,741 We're not gonna go do this, and then that. 279 00:15:47,033 --> 00:15:50,871 It was simply, we're going to put a human being on the moon. 280 00:15:51,163 --> 00:15:52,539 And we achieved it. 281 00:15:53,999 --> 00:15:55,750 Do you wish 282 00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:58,587 that the first Apollo Mission hadn't reached the Moon? 283 00:15:58,879 --> 00:15:59,671 Or that we hadn't gone on to Mars 284 00:15:59,963 --> 00:16:02,048 and then to the nearest star? 285 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:03,633 That's like saying you wish 286 00:16:03,925 --> 00:16:06,386 that you still operated with scalpels, 287 00:16:06,678 --> 00:16:08,680 and sewed your patients up with catgut, 288 00:16:08,972 --> 00:16:13,059 like you great-great-great-grandfather used to. 289 00:16:13,351 --> 00:16:16,563 Ever since the time of Sputnik and President Kennedy, 290 00:16:16,855 --> 00:16:20,066 I think our dedication to the space program has been high, 291 00:16:20,358 --> 00:16:21,818 higher than most countries. 292 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:24,029 And I feel like probably over the past decade, 293 00:16:24,321 --> 00:16:25,989 it's waned significantly. 294 00:16:26,281 --> 00:16:28,074 I feel like we should be doing more in space 295 00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:29,743 'cause I think there's a lot of learning to be done 296 00:16:30,035 --> 00:16:31,912 as far as vaccines and a lot of things 297 00:16:32,204 --> 00:16:33,455 that can help the American people, 298 00:16:33,747 --> 00:16:34,706 even though it's not a sexy program 299 00:16:34,998 --> 00:16:36,249 like it used to be with the moon landing. 300 00:16:36,541 --> 00:16:39,294 I think it's more important now than it has been in decades. 301 00:16:39,586 --> 00:16:42,589 I know that it's not really doing much anymore 302 00:16:42,881 --> 00:16:45,634 since the space shuttle program was closed down, 303 00:16:45,926 --> 00:16:47,928 so I don't know what they're up to. 304 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:50,263 Be cool if they were doing something soon. 305 00:16:50,555 --> 00:16:52,307 You know, when I see them building robots, you know, 306 00:16:52,599 --> 00:16:54,935 to go on Mars, or I see what the Rover and Curiosity, 307 00:16:55,227 --> 00:16:59,689 and Opportunity and Spirits are doing, we basically just, 308 00:16:59,981 --> 00:17:03,235 it excites me to know that we're doing that. 309 00:17:03,527 --> 00:17:06,321 To me a culture that's not doing that is stagnant, 310 00:17:06,613 --> 00:17:08,740 and a culture that is doing that is progressive 311 00:17:09,032 --> 00:17:11,409 and moving forward in a positive direction. 312 00:17:11,701 --> 00:17:13,286 Back in the 60's when we first, you know, 313 00:17:13,578 --> 00:17:15,497 when the space program was in full swing, 314 00:17:15,789 --> 00:17:17,374 I fully expected us to have colonies 315 00:17:17,666 --> 00:17:18,750 on the Moon by this time. 316 00:17:19,042 --> 00:17:20,001 Where are they? 317 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:23,880 I'm disappointed to see that we're, 318 00:17:24,172 --> 00:17:27,050 that we're not putting more effort into something like that. 319 00:17:27,342 --> 00:17:29,636 I think it's just absolutely essential 320 00:17:29,928 --> 00:17:33,431 that we maintain this program and advance it. 321 00:17:34,683 --> 00:17:36,685 All those who think it's a problem 322 00:17:36,977 --> 00:17:38,937 that we haven't been outside of low Earth orbit 323 00:17:39,229 --> 00:17:41,648 for four decades can only say so, 324 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:44,484 because they think that going to the moon 325 00:17:44,776 --> 00:17:47,195 was the first step of this great adventure 326 00:17:47,487 --> 00:17:48,780 where we explore space 327 00:17:49,072 --> 00:17:50,323 and somehow we've failed 328 00:17:50,615 --> 00:17:53,618 on the expectations we had for ourselves, 329 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:57,956 but once you realize we went because we were at war, 330 00:17:58,248 --> 00:17:58,999 and then they're not going to the Moon. 331 00:17:59,291 --> 00:18:03,086 They're not going to Mars and the Cold War's over. 332 00:18:03,378 --> 00:18:05,046 What's your motivation? 333 00:18:06,256 --> 00:18:08,717 [Announcer] The Moon, a lonely world 334 00:18:09,009 --> 00:18:10,594 in the absence of man. 335 00:18:12,345 --> 00:18:14,764 But here we have left our mark, 336 00:18:15,056 --> 00:18:18,977 the signature attesting a legacy to future generations. 337 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,524 We stood on the shoulders of giants and touched the Moon. 338 00:18:27,694 --> 00:18:30,614 The decision what to do after Apollo 339 00:18:30,905 --> 00:18:34,242 was driven by desire to limit NASA spending 340 00:18:35,285 --> 00:18:38,705 to only a fraction of what it had been 341 00:18:38,997 --> 00:18:41,041 at the height of the Apollo program. 342 00:18:41,333 --> 00:18:44,419 And in order to reach that lower budget, 343 00:18:45,879 --> 00:18:47,964 you couldn't continue to use Saturn V. 344 00:18:48,256 --> 00:18:50,300 They were too expensive per launch, 345 00:18:50,592 --> 00:18:52,302 so the program devolved back 346 00:18:52,594 --> 00:18:54,971 into a low Earth orbit program. 347 00:18:55,263 --> 00:18:56,765 Senator Edward Kennedy urged today 348 00:18:57,057 --> 00:18:59,225 that spending on the space program be cut back 349 00:18:59,517 --> 00:19:02,228 after the goals set for exploring the moon 350 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,521 have been achieved. 351 00:19:03,813 --> 00:19:05,482 Senator Kennedy said a substantial portion 352 00:19:05,774 --> 00:19:07,817 of the space budget should be diverted 353 00:19:08,109 --> 00:19:10,945 to what he called pressing problems here at home. 354 00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:14,074 Going into outer space is very expensive. 355 00:19:14,366 --> 00:19:17,994 It cost $10,000 to put a pound of anything 356 00:19:18,286 --> 00:19:20,080 just into near-earth orbit. 357 00:19:20,372 --> 00:19:22,374 That your weight in gold. 358 00:19:22,666 --> 00:19:27,295 Now, to put you on the Moon cost about $100,000 a pound, 359 00:19:27,587 --> 00:19:29,339 and to put you on Mars 360 00:19:29,631 --> 00:19:32,717 would cost over a million dollars a pound. 361 00:19:33,009 --> 00:19:35,970 That is your weight in diamonds. 362 00:19:36,262 --> 00:19:39,474 Back of a 1960s the great superpowers didn't care 363 00:19:39,766 --> 00:19:42,060 spending so much money on the Space Race, 364 00:19:42,352 --> 00:19:44,604 because it was a matter of national pride 365 00:19:44,896 --> 00:19:46,231 and national security, 366 00:19:46,523 --> 00:19:48,108 but now that the Cold War is over, 367 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,443 the great powers are not willing to spend 368 00:19:50,735 --> 00:19:52,821 so much of their National Treasure, 369 00:19:53,113 --> 00:19:55,740 because national pride and national security 370 00:19:56,032 --> 00:19:58,243 are no longer at stake. 371 00:19:58,535 --> 00:20:02,038 Imagine if you and I climbed in a plane right now 372 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:06,251 and wanted to fly to New York City and back. 373 00:20:06,543 --> 00:20:08,420 And along the way, 374 00:20:08,712 --> 00:20:11,840 all of its pieces are gonna be thrown away, 375 00:20:12,132 --> 00:20:14,092 so that when you arrive in New York, 376 00:20:14,384 --> 00:20:16,678 if you make it at all, 377 00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:20,140 you'll arrive in a little capsule and land. 378 00:20:20,432 --> 00:20:22,934 Now, the only way you get to come back 379 00:20:23,226 --> 00:20:26,354 is for them to rebuild the entire rocket, 380 00:20:26,646 --> 00:20:29,023 upon which that original capsule stood, 381 00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:30,734 climb in it and fly back, and by the way, 382 00:20:31,025 --> 00:20:33,528 you're gonna throw all the pieces away again. 383 00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:35,655 What that pretty well assures you 384 00:20:35,947 --> 00:20:39,659 is that very, very few people are gonna make that trip. 385 00:20:39,951 --> 00:20:42,704 (upbeat rock music) 386 00:20:44,664 --> 00:20:45,874 [Mission Control] Stage two, clear. 387 00:20:46,166 --> 00:20:47,417 [Narrator] If all goes according to schedule, 388 00:20:47,709 --> 00:20:48,752 scenes like this, 389 00:20:49,043 --> 00:20:52,630 a reusable Space Shuttle making its final approach to land 390 00:20:52,922 --> 00:20:55,300 will be a common sight beginning next fall. 391 00:20:55,592 --> 00:20:58,970 The Space Shuttle was promised to us in the 70s 392 00:20:59,262 --> 00:21:03,099 as a vehicle that would fly over 50 times a year. 393 00:21:05,643 --> 00:21:06,978 The Shuttle was gonna bring the cost 394 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:10,815 of going into orbit down to $100 a pound. 395 00:21:11,107 --> 00:21:12,525 [Announcer] It looks like a jet plane, 396 00:21:12,817 --> 00:21:14,194 will lift off like a rocket, 397 00:21:14,486 --> 00:21:16,446 and will return like a glider, 398 00:21:16,738 --> 00:21:20,116 commuting to space every two weeks is the plan. 399 00:21:20,408 --> 00:21:22,202 If you measure it by that metric 400 00:21:22,494 --> 00:21:25,914 the program was a complete and utter failure. 401 00:21:26,206 --> 00:21:30,126 (dramatic music) (engines roaring to life) 402 00:21:33,755 --> 00:21:37,050 The basic drivers were low cost, reliable, reusable. 403 00:21:37,342 --> 00:21:39,093 Let's call it a space bus. 404 00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:42,847 That was the motivation in 1969, a bus, 405 00:21:43,139 --> 00:21:44,808 up and down under all conditions. 406 00:21:45,099 --> 00:21:46,768 And the Shuttle program did not turn out 407 00:21:47,060 --> 00:21:48,061 the way it was supposed to. 408 00:21:48,353 --> 00:21:49,813 It was supposed to be $10 million a flight, 409 00:21:50,104 --> 00:21:52,690 and ended up $1.2 billion a flight, 410 00:21:52,982 --> 00:21:55,860 so you know it missed by 1200 times over. 411 00:21:56,152 --> 00:21:59,572 The Shuttle is kind of all things to all people. 412 00:21:59,864 --> 00:22:02,575 Originally, from NASA's point of view, 413 00:22:02,867 --> 00:22:04,369 it was going to be a supply vehicle 414 00:22:04,661 --> 00:22:06,746 to go to a large Space Station. 415 00:22:07,038 --> 00:22:11,668 And NASA in 1969 proposed building the Space Station 416 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,546 and having it supplied by the Shuttle. 417 00:22:14,838 --> 00:22:18,842 The Nixon Administration decided not to approve a station, 418 00:22:19,133 --> 00:22:23,471 and so the rationale for a shuttle had to be reinvented, 419 00:22:23,763 --> 00:22:26,266 and it became a launch vehicle for everything. 420 00:22:26,558 --> 00:22:28,351 [Reporter] That's the theory of Dr. John Logsdon, 421 00:22:28,643 --> 00:22:31,354 a George Washington University Political Science professor, 422 00:22:31,646 --> 00:22:33,773 who has written extensively on the space program 423 00:22:34,065 --> 00:22:35,400 for the last dozen years. 424 00:22:35,692 --> 00:22:38,236 NASA so get used to the luxury of the extra money, 425 00:22:38,528 --> 00:22:40,029 the public attention, 426 00:22:40,321 --> 00:22:42,949 the importance to the general public 427 00:22:43,241 --> 00:22:44,075 that came with Apollo, 428 00:22:44,367 --> 00:22:45,869 and the excitement and the challenge, 429 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,453 and wanted to do it again. 430 00:22:47,745 --> 00:22:49,289 What do we need a Space Shuttle for? 431 00:22:49,581 --> 00:22:50,498 Or a Space Station? 432 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:53,626 Well, some people said that we need a Space Station 433 00:22:53,918 --> 00:22:56,588 to be the terminus for the Space Shuttle. 434 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,882 Well, then why do we need a Space Shuttle? 435 00:22:59,173 --> 00:23:01,843 To be the way to reach the Space Station. 436 00:23:02,135 --> 00:23:04,679 Now, I think that's a bit circular, isn't it? 437 00:23:04,971 --> 00:23:05,722 [John Logsdon] You know, at first, 438 00:23:06,014 --> 00:23:07,181 you look at the space program, and oh, that's so cool. 439 00:23:07,473 --> 00:23:09,309 The Space Shuttle, that's amazing. 440 00:23:09,601 --> 00:23:10,685 Then you know, this is great, 441 00:23:10,977 --> 00:23:13,688 and then really look at it and you realize, 442 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:16,941 hold it, they're not going anywhere. 443 00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:18,776 They're not doing anything. 444 00:23:19,068 --> 00:23:20,194 [Reporter] John Logsdon says the Shuttle 445 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:22,322 could turn out to be a classic mistake. 446 00:23:22,614 --> 00:23:23,865 It's a pretty good space truck 447 00:23:24,157 --> 00:23:25,283 for taking things up and down, 448 00:23:25,575 --> 00:23:27,869 but for doing anything once you're in orbit, 449 00:23:28,161 --> 00:23:30,955 it's a very inflexible and underpowered vehicle. 450 00:23:31,247 --> 00:23:32,790 The Shuttle is the most complex space vehicle 451 00:23:33,082 --> 00:23:34,334 man has ever built. 452 00:23:34,626 --> 00:23:36,836 It is a result of nine years of compromise, 453 00:23:37,128 --> 00:23:39,213 negotiation, and cost overruns. 454 00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:42,425 Soon, we'll begin to find out if it was all worth it. 455 00:23:42,717 --> 00:23:45,053 John Danzing, NBC News, at Kennedy Space Center. 456 00:23:45,345 --> 00:23:47,597 So, the shuttle design of a reusable, 457 00:23:47,889 --> 00:23:50,350 and therefore much less expensive, 458 00:23:50,642 --> 00:23:54,354 and in the end there was no way to maintain the flight rate 459 00:23:54,646 --> 00:23:56,356 that was projected for it. 460 00:23:56,648 --> 00:23:59,984 It just didn't work out that way because it was too complex, 461 00:24:00,276 --> 00:24:03,029 too expensive, and then we had the accidents. 462 00:24:03,321 --> 00:24:05,657 (somber music) 463 00:24:11,537 --> 00:24:12,622 It is the worst disaster in the history 464 00:24:12,914 --> 00:24:13,998 of the American Space Program, 465 00:24:14,290 --> 00:24:16,209 and President Reagan has declared a week of mourning 466 00:24:16,501 --> 00:24:19,837 for the seven astronauts, five men and two women 467 00:24:20,129 --> 00:24:23,174 who lost their lives on their way into space this morning. 468 00:24:23,466 --> 00:24:27,220 Yeah, the Challenger really changed everything. 469 00:24:27,512 --> 00:24:30,515 It was one of the, it was a priority in the nation 470 00:24:30,807 --> 00:24:32,934 to get every payload onto the Shuttle, 471 00:24:33,226 --> 00:24:33,977 to get it's usage up, 472 00:24:34,268 --> 00:24:37,021 to make sure it's utilization was as high as it could be. 473 00:24:37,313 --> 00:24:39,065 There was a lot of attention focused on it. 474 00:24:39,357 --> 00:24:41,275 It was a terrible tragedy replayed over 475 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,653 and over again on television. 476 00:24:43,945 --> 00:24:45,113 And, there had sort of been a feeling 477 00:24:45,405 --> 00:24:46,489 in the space community 478 00:24:46,781 --> 00:24:49,283 that if there was a tragic accident with a Shuttle 479 00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:51,285 that it would never fly again. 480 00:24:51,577 --> 00:24:53,204 There was 32 months I think it was 481 00:24:53,496 --> 00:24:54,998 before another Space Shuttle flew, 482 00:24:55,289 --> 00:24:57,667 but there were changes, considerable changes 483 00:24:57,959 --> 00:25:00,962 to the nature of the Space Shuttle program after that. 484 00:25:01,254 --> 00:25:03,756 For example, originally the Shuttle was gonna be launching 485 00:25:04,048 --> 00:25:05,133 just about every satellite 486 00:25:05,425 --> 00:25:07,135 that the United States wanted to put up. 487 00:25:07,427 --> 00:25:10,680 Instead they said that no, you are only gonna use this 488 00:25:10,972 --> 00:25:13,433 for things you really need to have people involved in. 489 00:25:13,725 --> 00:25:14,809 If you can just launch it on a rocket, 490 00:25:15,101 --> 00:25:15,768 launch in on a rocket. 491 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:17,895 You don't need to launch it on the Space Shuttle. 492 00:25:18,187 --> 00:25:19,856 To take these highly skilled 493 00:25:20,148 --> 00:25:22,316 amazing people called astronauts, 494 00:25:22,608 --> 00:25:25,778 and put them in charge of driving this truck 495 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:28,740 around in circles in orbit 496 00:25:29,032 --> 00:25:32,618 instead of doing something really exciting and important. 497 00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:34,787 You know, that's where the problems came from, 498 00:25:35,079 --> 00:25:37,582 and that came from a lack of leadership 499 00:25:37,874 --> 00:25:39,625 down the street from NASA, 500 00:25:39,917 --> 00:25:43,337 you know in Congress and in the White House. 501 00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:47,592 The Shuttle did mature us though, 502 00:25:47,884 --> 00:25:51,262 it was so difficult, new scientists, new technology, 503 00:25:51,554 --> 00:25:53,765 so difficult to operate, it made us good. 504 00:25:54,057 --> 00:25:56,059 We had to be good to operate that system, 505 00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:57,810 but at the end of the Shuttle program, 506 00:25:58,102 --> 00:26:00,605 we are a massively good spacefaring nation. 507 00:26:00,897 --> 00:26:04,192 We, the US now, we're fantastic, we are good now. 508 00:26:04,484 --> 00:26:08,696 We are excellent at the space faring business. 509 00:26:08,988 --> 00:26:12,116 The difficulty of the Shuttle made us good, 510 00:26:12,408 --> 00:26:14,452 but after that, the Space Station, 511 00:26:14,744 --> 00:26:16,996 was a massive strategic error. 512 00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:21,209 (ethereal music) 513 00:26:29,050 --> 00:26:31,010 [Announcer] Skylab was the first test of our ability 514 00:26:31,302 --> 00:26:32,637 to endure weightlessness, 515 00:26:32,929 --> 00:26:35,014 and astronauts found that they could effectively work, 516 00:26:35,306 --> 00:26:39,644 exercise, eat, and sleep in their temporary home. 517 00:26:39,936 --> 00:26:41,437 More recently, the Space Shuttle has allowed us 518 00:26:41,729 --> 00:26:45,233 to fly into orbit, conduct our business, and return. 519 00:26:45,525 --> 00:26:46,943 In addition to providing a laboratory 520 00:26:47,235 --> 00:26:49,445 for carrying out experiments in microgravity, 521 00:26:49,737 --> 00:26:51,155 the Shuttle has also benefited us 522 00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:53,032 commercially and scientifically 523 00:26:53,324 --> 00:26:57,161 through the deployment and capture of satellites. 524 00:26:58,496 --> 00:27:01,165 But, the Shuttle was designed with a larger goal in mind, 525 00:27:01,457 --> 00:27:03,167 to transport astronauts and materials 526 00:27:03,459 --> 00:27:07,380 to a proposed base, a permanent manned Space Station. 527 00:27:09,841 --> 00:27:13,845 Space Station was NASA's primary objective after Apollo. 528 00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:16,556 It's what NASA hoped to get approved 529 00:27:16,848 --> 00:27:20,351 was a 12 person Space Station launched by Saturn V, 530 00:27:20,643 --> 00:27:24,564 and supplied by the Shuttle in the '69-'70 period. 531 00:27:26,107 --> 00:27:29,360 The White House did not approve that program, 532 00:27:29,652 --> 00:27:32,280 and instead we went ahead with the Space Shuttle, 533 00:27:32,572 --> 00:27:33,906 but the shuttle was designed 534 00:27:34,198 --> 00:27:36,367 to launch modules of the Space Station. 535 00:27:36,659 --> 00:27:38,619 It was clear in 1971 or '72 536 00:27:39,996 --> 00:27:42,081 that once the shuttle started flying 537 00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:44,125 NASA would go back and ask approval 538 00:27:44,417 --> 00:27:45,418 to develop the Space Station. 539 00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:46,252 [Mission Control] We have lift off. 540 00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:49,463 And indeed they did that 1983, 541 00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,465 and finally President Reagan 542 00:27:51,757 --> 00:27:53,593 announced approval of the Space Station 543 00:27:53,885 --> 00:27:57,263 in the State of the Union Address in January of '84. 544 00:27:57,555 --> 00:27:59,473 Tonight I am directing NASA 545 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,601 to develop a permanently manned Space Station 546 00:28:01,893 --> 00:28:04,729 and to do it within a decade. 547 00:28:05,021 --> 00:28:06,606 Despite problems with recent missions, 548 00:28:06,898 --> 00:28:08,024 NASA is still pushing hard 549 00:28:08,316 --> 00:28:10,443 for a permanent Space Station someday. 550 00:28:10,735 --> 00:28:11,611 [Announcer] Many scientists and politicians 551 00:28:11,903 --> 00:28:13,362 say it is not clear what purpose 552 00:28:13,654 --> 00:28:15,489 this Space Station is supposed to serve. 553 00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:16,991 We're doing it backwards. 554 00:28:17,283 --> 00:28:18,409 We're saying we're gonna have a station. 555 00:28:18,701 --> 00:28:20,786 And by the way, what can you do with if you have a station? 556 00:28:21,078 --> 00:28:22,914 Yes it cost $100 billion. 557 00:28:23,206 --> 00:28:25,625 Yes it's a cooperative effort of many nations, 558 00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,377 but a lot of the Space Station I think was wasteful, 559 00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:31,339 because the science done of the Space Station 560 00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:32,757 was actually minimal. 561 00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:36,552 Skylab, '72 was a massively successful station. 562 00:28:36,844 --> 00:28:38,596 It already had 200 experiments built in. 563 00:28:38,888 --> 00:28:40,473 All those things matured us, 564 00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:45,394 in terms of on orbit spaceops and long term space flight. 565 00:28:45,686 --> 00:28:47,271 We already did that. 566 00:28:47,563 --> 00:28:49,941 See, I'm not criticizing Space Station. 567 00:28:50,233 --> 00:28:52,109 What I'm saying is, what does Space Station 568 00:28:52,401 --> 00:28:54,278 do for the man on the street? 569 00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:55,655 They don't know. 570 00:28:57,198 --> 00:28:58,950 Go out and ask them. 571 00:28:59,242 --> 00:29:00,534 I honestly don't know 572 00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:03,871 and they make no effort to tell normal people, 573 00:29:04,163 --> 00:29:05,831 so I mean I don't actually, 574 00:29:06,123 --> 00:29:07,458 I don't know what's going on at all. 575 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:08,960 Yeah, I really don't know what they're doing. 576 00:29:09,252 --> 00:29:10,586 They don't really say anything. 577 00:29:10,878 --> 00:29:12,880 All you hear is they bring supplies back and forth, 578 00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:16,175 so I mean what is the object of it? 579 00:29:16,467 --> 00:29:19,178 I have no idea what they'd be doing up there, honestly. 580 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:21,555 I don't pay that much attention to this kind of stuff. 581 00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:22,515 [Reporter] Okay. 582 00:29:22,807 --> 00:29:25,017 Unfortunately, we don't know. 583 00:29:25,309 --> 00:29:26,310 [Woman] Not now, nope. 584 00:29:26,602 --> 00:29:30,064 If you have a program which costs $150 billion, 585 00:29:30,356 --> 00:29:31,607 and you ask the person on the street 586 00:29:31,899 --> 00:29:34,819 what are you getting for this and they don't know, 587 00:29:35,111 --> 00:29:37,154 you've missed the vision, sir. 588 00:29:37,446 --> 00:29:39,198 We actually didn't finish building the Space Station 589 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:43,202 until 2010, it was supposed to be done in 1994. 590 00:29:43,494 --> 00:29:45,454 Well, it did in fact basically suck the life 591 00:29:45,746 --> 00:29:48,082 out of the human spaceflight program for 25 years, 592 00:29:48,374 --> 00:29:50,876 and so it was very hard to get approval 593 00:29:51,168 --> 00:29:55,381 for new things going forward, not that people didn't try. 594 00:29:55,673 --> 00:29:57,383 We must commit ourselves anew 595 00:29:57,675 --> 00:30:00,678 to a sustained program of manned exploration 596 00:30:00,970 --> 00:30:03,222 of the solar system, and yes, 597 00:30:03,514 --> 00:30:06,559 the permanent settlement of space. 598 00:30:06,851 --> 00:30:10,271 As George HW Bush came into the White House, 599 00:30:10,563 --> 00:30:12,898 he indicated he wanted to do something 600 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:15,318 to revitalize the space program. 601 00:30:15,609 --> 00:30:19,864 And his advisers prepared for him an announcement 602 00:30:20,156 --> 00:30:23,451 called the Space Exploration Initiative. 603 00:30:23,743 --> 00:30:25,953 Back to the moon, on to Mars, this time to stay. 604 00:30:26,245 --> 00:30:27,705 Great stuff, but NASA came back 605 00:30:27,997 --> 00:30:29,999 with a program to do it in 30 years 606 00:30:30,291 --> 00:30:32,376 that involve building floating spaceports 607 00:30:32,668 --> 00:30:35,421 and giant interplanetary spaceships, 608 00:30:35,713 --> 00:30:38,424 and all kinds of things that were never gonna happen. 609 00:30:38,716 --> 00:30:39,759 And of course, the architects are mad. 610 00:30:40,051 --> 00:30:41,510 You have to have a launch system 611 00:30:41,802 --> 00:30:43,220 and you have to have all the other pieces 612 00:30:43,512 --> 00:30:46,390 of what it would take to do an entire mission 613 00:30:46,682 --> 00:30:50,019 to the surface of the Moon and go on to Mars. 614 00:30:50,311 --> 00:30:52,480 Well, you total up all those assets necessary 615 00:30:52,772 --> 00:30:56,692 over a 20 year period, and the total was $500 billion. 616 00:30:58,527 --> 00:31:01,739 Well, that figure got leaked to the Hill, 617 00:31:02,031 --> 00:31:03,574 and the way the Hill looks at money is 618 00:31:03,866 --> 00:31:08,120 $500 billion dollars with a B is in like today's money, 619 00:31:08,412 --> 00:31:09,705 And so, it was dead on arrival. 620 00:31:09,997 --> 00:31:12,416 They never even bothered to look at it. 621 00:31:12,708 --> 00:31:14,210 Let me introduce to you 622 00:31:14,502 --> 00:31:16,253 our speaker for this afternoon, 623 00:31:16,545 --> 00:31:19,715 Robert Zubrin from Martin Marietta Astro. 624 00:31:20,841 --> 00:31:23,469 He's a senior engineer there 625 00:31:23,761 --> 00:31:27,264 on the Moon and Mars Initiative missions work 626 00:31:28,391 --> 00:31:30,101 that Martin Marretta is doing. 627 00:31:30,393 --> 00:31:31,685 Robert, come talk to us. 628 00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:32,978 (applauding) 629 00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:37,441 Mars Direct is a plan for sending humans to Mars 630 00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:39,443 with present day technology. 631 00:31:39,735 --> 00:31:41,237 It's a plan that could be implemented 632 00:31:41,529 --> 00:31:43,447 within eight years of program start. 633 00:31:43,739 --> 00:31:45,157 This was developed by myself 634 00:31:45,449 --> 00:31:47,326 and another engineer named David Baker 635 00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:48,285 while we were working 636 00:31:48,577 --> 00:31:52,498 at the Martin Marietta Astronautics Company circa 1990. 637 00:31:53,958 --> 00:31:55,543 What Baker and I did was design a plan 638 00:31:55,835 --> 00:31:58,129 that would allow us to do a human Mars Mission 639 00:31:58,421 --> 00:32:01,549 in just two launches of a Saturn V heavy-lift booster, 640 00:32:01,841 --> 00:32:05,761 okay, like the one we used during Apollo. 641 00:32:06,053 --> 00:32:07,471 And before you know it you've created the beginning 642 00:32:07,763 --> 00:32:09,682 of the first human settlement on a new world. 643 00:32:09,974 --> 00:32:13,894 There's nothing in this that is beyond our technology. 644 00:32:17,189 --> 00:32:20,192 Around that 1993, Mike Griffin was appointed. 645 00:32:20,484 --> 00:32:22,945 Associate Administrator for Exploration, 646 00:32:23,237 --> 00:32:24,697 and he liked Mars Direct. 647 00:32:24,989 --> 00:32:26,699 He had us go back to Johnson Space Center 648 00:32:26,991 --> 00:32:29,076 and talk to them again with this time 649 00:32:29,368 --> 00:32:30,369 the people at headquarters telling you 650 00:32:30,661 --> 00:32:31,662 that they had to listen, 651 00:32:31,954 --> 00:32:32,496 and they listened, 652 00:32:32,788 --> 00:32:34,331 and they came up with a variant of Mars Direct 653 00:32:34,623 --> 00:32:36,208 as their new Mars Mission plan. 654 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,043 And according to their analysis, 655 00:32:38,335 --> 00:32:40,629 it cut the cost of a human Mars exploration program 656 00:32:40,921 --> 00:32:43,632 by a factor of eight, okay. 657 00:32:43,924 --> 00:32:46,010 Unfortunately by then, Clinton was in office, 658 00:32:46,302 --> 00:32:50,681 and he wasn't interested, so he told them to just shut up. 659 00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:53,767 You know, but the problem is, 660 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:56,479 is that we've never had a situation where both NASA 661 00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:59,106 and the administration were on board at the same time, 662 00:32:59,398 --> 00:33:00,900 except during Apollo. 663 00:33:04,278 --> 00:33:05,488 My name is Michelle Stellhorn. 664 00:33:05,779 --> 00:33:08,115 I am a teacher in the Gifted Education program 665 00:33:08,407 --> 00:33:09,867 of the Rockwood School District, 666 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:12,912 and I teach a unit called Mission to Mars. 667 00:33:13,204 --> 00:33:15,456 And we cover the Congressional space debate 668 00:33:15,748 --> 00:33:19,335 and the importance and future of space exploration. 669 00:33:19,627 --> 00:33:22,254 [Interviewer] Do you wanna be an astronaut? 670 00:33:22,546 --> 00:33:25,299 No, because I like Earth, and I want to stay on it, 671 00:33:25,591 --> 00:33:29,512 but I think that space exploration is really cool. 672 00:33:30,888 --> 00:33:32,640 It's too expensive. 673 00:33:32,932 --> 00:33:37,269 We have national debt and we have the job deficit. 674 00:33:37,561 --> 00:33:39,230 [Interviewer] Do you think that we should be spending 675 00:33:39,522 --> 00:33:42,858 more money and effort in space exploration? 676 00:33:43,901 --> 00:33:45,152 Well, I think, 677 00:33:46,862 --> 00:33:47,947 I personally think we should, 678 00:33:48,239 --> 00:33:50,533 but I think that since there's so many people 679 00:33:50,824 --> 00:33:52,243 around the world who are struggling 680 00:33:52,535 --> 00:33:53,619 to just put food on the table, 681 00:33:53,911 --> 00:33:55,788 I don't see how we can. 682 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,208 I mean, we could, but there's so many other problems 683 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,128 that are major focuses that the government should be study, 684 00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:04,797 that should be working. 685 00:34:05,089 --> 00:34:08,050 We need to get our national debt paid off 686 00:34:08,342 --> 00:34:11,595 before we can go and play around in space. 687 00:34:11,887 --> 00:34:14,974 [Interviewer] If given the opportunity if somebody said 688 00:34:15,266 --> 00:34:18,310 do you wanna go to space, would you go? 689 00:34:19,728 --> 00:34:23,566 Me, I think that depends how much they pay me. 690 00:34:25,734 --> 00:34:28,195 Don't wanna be an astronaut, what are they gonna fly? 691 00:34:28,487 --> 00:34:30,322 There's nothing to fly. 692 00:34:30,614 --> 00:34:32,866 There is no Mars program. 693 00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:35,452 There is no astronaut program. 694 00:34:35,744 --> 00:34:37,329 There's casual talk about it. 695 00:34:37,621 --> 00:34:39,248 I know what a program is. 696 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:41,667 I know when a man says you're going to the Moon, 697 00:34:41,959 --> 00:34:43,627 you're coming home eight years from now, 698 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,588 I know what that means. 699 00:34:48,048 --> 00:34:49,925 [Rob Navias] The Space Shuttle pulls into port 700 00:34:50,217 --> 00:34:53,804 for the last time, its voyage at and end. 701 00:34:54,096 --> 00:34:57,600 (tires and brakes screaming) 702 00:34:59,351 --> 00:35:01,478 You know, there's a lot of people that think that 703 00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:03,188 the end of the Shuttle program 704 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,900 was the end of America going out into space. 705 00:35:09,153 --> 00:35:11,405 It's absurd, it's ridiculous. 706 00:35:12,656 --> 00:35:15,993 Flying Shuttle in circles around the Earth is not exploring. 707 00:35:16,285 --> 00:35:19,705 It's not pushing forward the human frontier. 708 00:35:20,706 --> 00:35:22,708 You're simply making work. 709 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,045 You're simply funneling taxpayer money 710 00:35:26,337 --> 00:35:27,671 into certain people's pockets 711 00:35:27,963 --> 00:35:30,132 who are working in different areas, 712 00:35:30,424 --> 00:35:32,968 politicians, aerospace companies, 713 00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:35,220 people who runs space centers. 714 00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:38,265 That's not what this should be about 715 00:35:40,017 --> 00:35:44,021 but that's what it's become because there's no leadership, 716 00:35:45,022 --> 00:35:47,358 because there's no vision. 717 00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:50,069 (ominous music) 718 00:35:50,361 --> 00:35:53,030 (garbled speaking) 719 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:55,991 [Charlie Hobaugh] And Columbia, Houston, 720 00:35:56,283 --> 00:35:57,493 we see you tire pressure messages, 721 00:35:57,785 --> 00:36:00,371 and we did not copy your last. 722 00:36:00,663 --> 00:36:02,998 (radio static) 723 00:36:10,172 --> 00:36:12,508 Columbia, Houston, comm check. 724 00:36:15,052 --> 00:36:17,721 Columbia, Houston, UHF comm check. 725 00:36:19,598 --> 00:36:22,267 Columbia, Houston, UHF comm check. 726 00:36:23,769 --> 00:36:28,357 February 1st, 2003, Columbia reenters tragically 727 00:36:28,649 --> 00:36:30,984 and breaks up over Texas. 728 00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:35,948 The notion that we could continue flying the Shuttle 729 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,367 for a long time went away. 730 00:36:38,659 --> 00:36:40,994 (somber music) 731 00:36:48,502 --> 00:36:51,630 The commission that investigated that accident said, 732 00:36:51,922 --> 00:36:54,508 if you're going to be risking human lives, 733 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,511 you really need to explain what it is 734 00:36:57,803 --> 00:37:01,014 that you're trying to accomplish in human spaceflight. 735 00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:04,560 Consistent with safety concerns and the recommendations 736 00:37:04,852 --> 00:37:08,897 of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board, 737 00:37:09,189 --> 00:37:11,734 the Shuttle's chief purpose of the next several years 738 00:37:12,025 --> 00:37:13,610 will be to help finish assembly 739 00:37:13,902 --> 00:37:16,572 of the International Space Station. 740 00:37:17,698 --> 00:37:19,700 In 2010 the Space Shuttle, 741 00:37:21,577 --> 00:37:25,581 after nearly 30 years of duty will be retired from service. 742 00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:28,625 The first Shuttle tragedy made everybody stop 743 00:37:28,917 --> 00:37:31,754 and think exactly what it was we were using the Shuttle for, 744 00:37:32,045 --> 00:37:34,590 and did you really need to have humans aboard, 745 00:37:34,882 --> 00:37:37,050 in a spacecraft in order to launch satellites, 746 00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,928 and the second tragedy, Columbia, 747 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:41,764 really brought it down to a real focus on 748 00:37:42,055 --> 00:37:45,100 well, why are you doing human spaceflight at all? 749 00:37:45,392 --> 00:37:46,894 Using the crew exploration vehicle, 750 00:37:47,186 --> 00:37:49,980 we will undertake extended human missions to the Moon 751 00:37:50,272 --> 00:37:52,107 as early as 2015, 752 00:37:52,399 --> 00:37:55,736 with the goal of living and working there 753 00:37:56,028 --> 00:37:59,239 for increasingly extended periods of time. 754 00:38:00,532 --> 00:38:01,950 See, I was there, 755 00:38:02,951 --> 00:38:06,622 I was literally in the room when President Bush announced 756 00:38:06,914 --> 00:38:09,041 we were gonna go back to the Moon and on to Mars. 757 00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:10,542 And I'm a Texan, I was close enough 758 00:38:10,834 --> 00:38:11,919 to where I could look at him. 759 00:38:12,211 --> 00:38:15,631 We're fairly good at spotting BS in each other, 760 00:38:15,923 --> 00:38:17,758 and I think he really meant it. 761 00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:20,677 [James] President Bush to his credit said, 762 00:38:20,969 --> 00:38:22,763 you know we're not gonna just do this anymore, 763 00:38:23,055 --> 00:38:24,640 we're gonna do something different, 764 00:38:24,932 --> 00:38:28,018 and we should go back and we should explore. 765 00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:30,103 A powerful argument was made 766 00:38:30,395 --> 00:38:31,980 that what needed to happen 767 00:38:32,272 --> 00:38:35,234 was we needed to start making economic use 768 00:38:35,526 --> 00:38:37,945 of all of the things that we had found 769 00:38:38,237 --> 00:38:41,406 by all this taxpayer-funded space exploration. 770 00:38:41,698 --> 00:38:43,951 If we want to start going back to the Moon, 771 00:38:44,243 --> 00:38:47,496 but this time for economically useful purposes, 772 00:38:47,788 --> 00:38:49,748 how would we do that? 773 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,835 And they came up with some really interesting ideas, 774 00:38:53,126 --> 00:38:54,837 all of which were affordable, 775 00:38:55,128 --> 00:38:56,630 all of which were executable, 776 00:38:56,922 --> 00:38:58,590 all of which were quite reasonable 777 00:38:58,882 --> 00:39:01,385 paths that we could have gone forward, 778 00:39:01,677 --> 00:39:04,388 none of which looked like Apollo. 779 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,266 And then he hired a new NASA administrator, 780 00:39:07,558 --> 00:39:09,810 who said he was absolutely dedicated 781 00:39:10,102 --> 00:39:13,063 to carrying out the president's vision, 782 00:39:13,355 --> 00:39:16,275 and that was Dr. Michael Griffin. 783 00:39:16,567 --> 00:39:18,360 And Griffin came in and said 784 00:39:18,652 --> 00:39:20,779 I know how I'm going to do this. 785 00:39:21,071 --> 00:39:22,030 And he had a plan. 786 00:39:22,322 --> 00:39:25,826 He had a way of getting America back to the Moon 787 00:39:26,118 --> 00:39:27,661 and then on to Mars. 788 00:39:27,953 --> 00:39:29,121 It is very Apollo-like. 789 00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:31,164 It may have a different shaped heat shield. 790 00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:33,625 It may have a different surface contact system, 791 00:39:33,917 --> 00:39:36,962 but the outer mold line is very Apollo-like, except larger. 792 00:39:37,254 --> 00:39:39,631 Think of it as Apollo on steroids. 793 00:39:39,923 --> 00:39:42,175 Everything was tanked. 794 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:44,469 All of the ideas were dropped and ditched, 795 00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:49,016 because Mike Griffin had his own plan for das program. 796 00:39:49,308 --> 00:39:51,810 (ethereal music) 797 00:39:53,312 --> 00:39:55,898 [Narrator] NASA's new program for human space exploration 798 00:39:56,189 --> 00:39:58,442 is called Constellation. 799 00:39:58,734 --> 00:40:00,819 For the first time in a generation 800 00:40:01,111 --> 00:40:03,697 we will be traveling beyond low-Earth orbit, 801 00:40:03,989 --> 00:40:05,407 returning to the Moon 802 00:40:05,699 --> 00:40:08,535 and expanding human presence to Mars. 803 00:40:10,579 --> 00:40:13,498 Exploration must be taken in steps. 804 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:15,959 Because we learn from every journey, 805 00:40:16,251 --> 00:40:19,546 there is a link between every place we go. 806 00:40:19,838 --> 00:40:22,382 (dramatic music) 807 00:40:31,767 --> 00:40:34,770 Very quickly the Bush Administration 808 00:40:35,062 --> 00:40:37,981 started to cut back on some of NASA's 809 00:40:39,232 --> 00:40:41,443 hoped for budget increases. 810 00:40:41,735 --> 00:40:43,612 That brought you to the Obama Administration 811 00:40:43,904 --> 00:40:45,072 in which they said... 812 00:40:45,364 --> 00:40:47,282 I understand that some believe that we should attempt 813 00:40:47,574 --> 00:40:51,119 a return to the surface of the Moon first 814 00:40:51,411 --> 00:40:53,580 as previously planned, 815 00:40:53,872 --> 00:40:57,209 but I just have to say pretty bluntly here, 816 00:40:58,919 --> 00:41:00,712 we've been there before. 817 00:41:01,004 --> 00:41:02,839 Will American astronauts return to the Moon 818 00:41:03,131 --> 00:41:04,633 in the foreseeable future? 819 00:41:04,925 --> 00:41:05,676 NBC News has learned 820 00:41:05,968 --> 00:41:07,594 that plans to travel there and beyond 821 00:41:07,886 --> 00:41:09,137 may in fact be scrubbed. 822 00:41:09,429 --> 00:41:12,057 The White House was willing to support the vision 823 00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:14,059 of returning to the Moon by 2020, 824 00:41:14,351 --> 00:41:16,937 and going on to Mars verbally, 825 00:41:17,229 --> 00:41:20,774 but not when it came down to the nation's pocket book. 826 00:41:21,066 --> 00:41:23,402 It had been known from the start 827 00:41:23,694 --> 00:41:26,071 that the Constellation could not be executed 828 00:41:26,363 --> 00:41:28,657 on anything like NASA's current budget. 829 00:41:28,949 --> 00:41:31,618 The assumption was made that NASA 830 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:34,413 would receive a very substantial budget increase 831 00:41:34,705 --> 00:41:37,374 in order to do something like Constellation. 832 00:41:37,666 --> 00:41:39,501 [Marcia] When President Obama came into office, 833 00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:41,044 he set up this committee 834 00:41:41,336 --> 00:41:43,255 to take a look at the Constellation program 835 00:41:43,547 --> 00:41:45,549 and that committee determined that technically 836 00:41:45,841 --> 00:41:48,093 the Constellation program was doing quite well, 837 00:41:48,385 --> 00:41:50,387 but that there wasn't enough money. 838 00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,306 The budget for that program had been reduced 839 00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:56,393 substantially every single year since it started, 840 00:41:56,685 --> 00:42:01,064 and as a result, our look at the Constellation program 841 00:42:01,356 --> 00:42:05,277 that we were then pursuing was that it was not executable. 842 00:42:06,737 --> 00:42:09,072 The program was on a trajectory to fail. 843 00:42:09,364 --> 00:42:13,201 We did recommend that either NASA's budget be increased, 844 00:42:13,493 --> 00:42:14,870 rather substantially, 845 00:42:15,162 --> 00:42:17,164 or that they should be given some other mission 846 00:42:17,456 --> 00:42:19,666 that they can do within their current budget. 847 00:42:19,958 --> 00:42:24,129 Everyone agrees that there's a $3 billion shortfall 848 00:42:24,421 --> 00:42:28,008 in what we need to accomplish our goals. 849 00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:32,220 Of what you have suggested as alternatives, other options, 850 00:42:34,347 --> 00:42:38,351 are any of those accomplishable without that shortfall? 851 00:42:41,021 --> 00:42:43,190 [Man] Do you wanna deal with that? 852 00:42:43,482 --> 00:42:44,024 [Man] No. 853 00:42:44,316 --> 00:42:45,442 Okay, there you go. 854 00:42:45,734 --> 00:42:46,943 The White House was not willing to invest 855 00:42:47,235 --> 00:42:47,903 that kind of money in it. 856 00:42:48,195 --> 00:42:50,405 Congress was not willing to invest that kind of money in it, 857 00:42:50,697 --> 00:42:53,075 so the Constellation program was cancelled. 858 00:42:53,366 --> 00:42:57,287 The reason we were unable to sustain humanity in space 859 00:42:58,663 --> 00:43:00,499 or on the Moon after Apollo, 860 00:43:00,791 --> 00:43:04,044 was there was no decision to do so, 861 00:43:04,336 --> 00:43:08,423 and there was no technology that was designed 862 00:43:08,715 --> 00:43:13,261 to allow us to do so because the decision was not there. 863 00:43:13,553 --> 00:43:15,847 Interestingly, in the Constellation program 864 00:43:16,139 --> 00:43:20,060 and under President Bush, he said, we're going to establish 865 00:43:21,645 --> 00:43:24,314 human permanence beyond the Earth. 866 00:43:25,732 --> 00:43:28,652 Unfortunately, the people in charge 867 00:43:28,944 --> 00:43:31,947 were unable to understand what that meant, 868 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,033 and instead redesigned a bigger, 869 00:43:35,325 --> 00:43:38,703 badder version of the Apollo program. 870 00:43:38,995 --> 00:43:42,415 It was doomed to failure from the beginning. 871 00:43:44,543 --> 00:43:47,879 (upbeat electronic music) 872 00:43:50,632 --> 00:43:52,259 [Narrator] September of 2011, 873 00:43:52,551 --> 00:43:55,929 NASA proposes a new capability for human exploration, 874 00:43:56,221 --> 00:43:58,932 a massive rocket, the largest ever built, 875 00:43:59,224 --> 00:44:02,811 for a variety of missions beyond low-Earth orbit. 876 00:44:03,103 --> 00:44:04,771 When President Obama announced 877 00:44:05,063 --> 00:44:06,731 that he was canceling Constellation, 878 00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:10,777 what he wanted to do was to wait five years 879 00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:14,072 and invest in game changing technologies, 880 00:44:14,364 --> 00:44:16,241 and after that period of time 881 00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:18,326 a decision would be made as to what new rockets 882 00:44:18,618 --> 00:44:19,703 or spacecraft were needed 883 00:44:19,995 --> 00:44:21,163 to go wherever it is the nation 884 00:44:21,454 --> 00:44:23,582 was gonna go next in human spaceflight. 885 00:44:23,874 --> 00:44:25,417 And that presupposed in five years 886 00:44:25,709 --> 00:44:27,419 you could do something that essentially 887 00:44:27,711 --> 00:44:29,921 obsoletes chemical propulsion. 888 00:44:30,213 --> 00:44:32,924 We will increase investment right away 889 00:44:33,216 --> 00:44:34,926 in other groundbreaking technologies 890 00:44:35,218 --> 00:44:36,428 that will allow astronauts 891 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,889 to reach space sooner and more often. 892 00:44:39,181 --> 00:44:40,515 Well there was nothing in the pipeline 893 00:44:40,807 --> 00:44:42,100 at all that would do that. 894 00:44:42,392 --> 00:44:44,603 I mean there was discussion of what might be. 895 00:44:44,895 --> 00:44:47,606 There was some hypotheses of what could be done, 896 00:44:47,898 --> 00:44:49,107 but now we're five years later 897 00:44:49,399 --> 00:44:50,901 and there really was nothing in the pipeline 898 00:44:51,193 --> 00:44:52,861 that was even remotely mature enough. 899 00:44:53,153 --> 00:44:54,613 And Congress hated that idea. 900 00:44:54,905 --> 00:44:57,616 Congress felt it was really important to have a destination 901 00:44:57,908 --> 00:45:00,535 and a time frame within which to meet 902 00:45:00,827 --> 00:45:04,122 specific visionary goals for human spaceflight 903 00:45:04,414 --> 00:45:06,583 and so Congress wrote into law 904 00:45:06,875 --> 00:45:09,794 directing NASA to build a new big rocket, 905 00:45:10,086 --> 00:45:11,963 which they called the Space Launch System, 906 00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:15,008 and to build a multi-purpose crew vehicle, 907 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:16,968 which we know as Orion, 908 00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:19,346 in order to provide the capabilities 909 00:45:19,638 --> 00:45:23,892 to keep a vigorous human spaceflight program going. 910 00:45:24,184 --> 00:45:26,228 So Constellation was cancelled 911 00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:28,897 but Congress promptly reinstated 912 00:45:29,189 --> 00:45:33,610 the all the expensive parts of it under new names, 913 00:45:33,902 --> 00:45:36,112 but did not give NASA the budget increase 914 00:45:36,404 --> 00:45:38,657 that would be necessary to fly missions with them. 915 00:45:38,949 --> 00:45:39,824 Do you know what the budget 916 00:45:40,116 --> 00:45:42,661 for the SLS Launch System is? 917 00:45:42,953 --> 00:45:43,620 Uh, I... 918 00:45:43,912 --> 00:45:46,748 We don't know, so you don't know either, quite frankly. 919 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,291 That was a leading question. Alright. 920 00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:50,168 And if that money was gonna be taken 921 00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:53,755 out of your budget to develop the SLS Launch System, 922 00:45:54,047 --> 00:45:55,840 rather than go with the launch systems 923 00:45:56,132 --> 00:46:00,178 that we've already got, would you be supportive of that? 924 00:46:00,470 --> 00:46:02,013 - No. - Right. 925 00:46:02,305 --> 00:46:03,932 We really don't have a lot of momentum 926 00:46:04,224 --> 00:46:05,392 and a lot of vision on what. 927 00:46:05,684 --> 00:46:07,352 Space Launch System is gonna do. 928 00:46:07,644 --> 00:46:09,813 It's been pegged the rocket to nowhere. 929 00:46:10,105 --> 00:46:12,232 When they finally get it upgraded 930 00:46:12,524 --> 00:46:15,443 to 130 metric tons, which may be 2025, 931 00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:21,116 it will be equivalent and almost equal to a Saturn V, 932 00:46:21,408 --> 00:46:24,536 which we will have have 60 years earlier. 933 00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:28,248 We're talking about after proving one flight, 934 00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:31,459 that we might do an orbit around the Moon 935 00:46:31,751 --> 00:46:32,836 called Apollo 8. 936 00:46:35,463 --> 00:46:36,923 You're keeping a space station alive, 937 00:46:37,215 --> 00:46:38,842 you're supporting the various NASA centers, 938 00:46:39,134 --> 00:46:40,927 you got two piece of hardware you're developing, 939 00:46:41,219 --> 00:46:42,595 but they have no destination 940 00:46:42,887 --> 00:46:46,933 and they're like what we did 60 years ago. 941 00:46:47,225 --> 00:46:49,269 I always call it a rocket to anywhere 942 00:46:49,561 --> 00:46:51,855 because it's just like the shuttle. 943 00:46:52,147 --> 00:46:53,898 When the shuttle was designed, 944 00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:57,986 it was designed to be a shuttle of capability. 945 00:46:58,278 --> 00:47:00,655 It didn't have payloads identified. 946 00:47:00,947 --> 00:47:03,616 All those missions were nonexistent 947 00:47:04,701 --> 00:47:07,370 on the day the first shuttle flew. 948 00:47:08,663 --> 00:47:10,582 If space is a frontier 949 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,669 and I shall hereby declare it to be so, 950 00:47:14,961 --> 00:47:17,756 and your goal is to settle the frontier, 951 00:47:18,048 --> 00:47:21,051 in other words, for people to live there 952 00:47:21,343 --> 00:47:25,096 like they do here in what used to be a frontier, 953 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:29,309 then you have to create 954 00:47:29,601 --> 00:47:31,519 a means for that to occur. 955 00:47:33,313 --> 00:47:36,232 No frontier has never been opened 956 00:47:36,524 --> 00:47:38,943 based on the development and operation 957 00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:42,072 of a single giant government vehicle. 958 00:47:44,616 --> 00:47:46,409 They can launch two to three, 959 00:47:46,701 --> 00:47:50,789 at least two and potentially three SOS's per year. 960 00:47:51,081 --> 00:47:53,625 They can build that many and they can launch that many. 961 00:47:53,917 --> 00:47:56,086 That's the way the design of the infrastructure 962 00:47:56,378 --> 00:48:00,048 and the vehicle and the assembly plant is set up to do, 963 00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:03,051 but they need more funding. 964 00:48:03,343 --> 00:48:04,761 To date, unfortunately, 965 00:48:05,053 --> 00:48:06,262 the budget has not been preached, 966 00:48:06,554 --> 00:48:08,348 and that's a major concern. 967 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,809 It's been a major concern since day one 968 00:48:11,101 --> 00:48:14,479 and if there's anything our commission emphasized, 969 00:48:14,771 --> 00:48:17,565 it was that we have to have a budget 970 00:48:17,857 --> 00:48:21,152 and a space program that are consistent with each other 971 00:48:21,444 --> 00:48:24,364 and unfortunately, throughout the human 972 00:48:24,656 --> 00:48:28,076 space flight history, for a couple of decades, 973 00:48:28,368 --> 00:48:30,328 that's not been the case. 974 00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:32,831 Tonight, NASA announced further cuts 975 00:48:33,123 --> 00:48:34,791 have been ordered in its new budget 976 00:48:35,083 --> 00:48:36,251 and one effect will be a delay 977 00:48:36,543 --> 00:48:38,336 in the timetable for the space shuttle. 978 00:48:38,628 --> 00:48:41,131 50,000 employees are not looking forward. 979 00:48:41,423 --> 00:48:43,049 They're looking elsewhere. 980 00:48:43,341 --> 00:48:45,552 If this country really needs another expensive 981 00:48:45,844 --> 00:48:47,554 piece of hardware in orbit, 982 00:48:47,846 --> 00:48:48,805 when here on the ground, 983 00:48:49,097 --> 00:48:50,515 we can hardly get the mail delivered. 984 00:48:50,807 --> 00:48:52,225 [Reporter] Congress cut the shuttle's budget 985 00:48:52,517 --> 00:48:53,601 by $234 million. 986 00:48:55,478 --> 00:48:57,313 Already there have been some cutbacks 987 00:48:57,605 --> 00:48:58,857 and there could be others. 988 00:48:59,149 --> 00:49:00,733 It is, without question, 989 00:49:01,025 --> 00:49:02,193 the biggest waste of money I've seen 990 00:49:02,485 --> 00:49:04,028 since I've been on the United State Senate. 991 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,489 Today, President Clinton put in his latest bid. 992 00:49:06,781 --> 00:49:09,117 He outlined $13 billion in savings 993 00:49:09,409 --> 00:49:10,994 at four federal agencies, 994 00:49:11,286 --> 00:49:13,204 more than half the cuts at NASA. 995 00:49:13,496 --> 00:49:14,747 The bailout, the bank bailout, 996 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:16,708 that sum of money is greater 997 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,670 than the entire 50 year running budget of NASA. 998 00:49:20,962 --> 00:49:21,504 [Woman] Wow. 999 00:49:21,796 --> 00:49:22,547 I think we have to be realistic 1000 00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:23,882 when it comes to the budget. 1001 00:49:24,174 --> 00:49:26,134 If we need additional funds for a heavy lift rocket, 1002 00:49:26,426 --> 00:49:27,969 we're going to have to set priorities 1003 00:49:28,261 --> 00:49:30,221 and have to shift funds from other parts of the program. 1004 00:49:30,513 --> 00:49:34,392 I don't think that NASA or our space program 1005 00:49:34,684 --> 00:49:37,770 is somehow going to defy budget gravity 1006 00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:40,565 and be the only agency to get an increase 1007 00:49:40,857 --> 00:49:43,276 when every other agency is either gonna be flatlined 1008 00:49:43,568 --> 00:49:46,321 or be subject to the budgetary constraints. 1009 00:49:46,613 --> 00:49:48,448 So I think we're just gonna have to be smarter. 1010 00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:50,200 We're going to have to make sure 1011 00:49:50,492 --> 00:49:52,035 we don't have cost overruns 1012 00:49:52,327 --> 00:49:53,828 and we're gonna have to set priorities 1013 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,663 and use the money that we do have better 1014 00:49:55,955 --> 00:49:57,165 and then we can get the funds, 1015 00:49:57,457 --> 00:49:58,708 say for a heavy lift rocket. 1016 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,335 If we started today, 1017 00:50:00,627 --> 00:50:02,879 how long do each of you estimate it would be 1018 00:50:03,171 --> 00:50:06,591 before we could place a person on Mars? 1019 00:50:06,883 --> 00:50:08,843 With the current budget? (polite laughter) 1020 00:50:09,135 --> 00:50:11,137 [Mr. Posey] Just give me a date with the current budget 1021 00:50:11,429 --> 00:50:13,473 and a date with the Palo era budget. 1022 00:50:13,765 --> 00:50:15,225 (comical music) 1023 00:50:15,517 --> 00:50:17,519 With the current budget, bear with me, 1024 00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:19,145 I would probably say never. 1025 00:50:19,437 --> 00:50:20,188 Hey, 1026 00:50:21,606 --> 00:50:22,440 China. 1027 00:50:23,691 --> 00:50:25,610 Can we borrow some money to finish our Mars trip? 1028 00:50:25,902 --> 00:50:28,613 (audience laughing) 1029 00:50:29,906 --> 00:50:31,908 You know, with Constellation, Mike Griffin, 1030 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,451 and now people with the SLS, 1031 00:50:33,743 --> 00:50:36,579 just assume that if we develop the SLS, 1032 00:50:36,871 --> 00:50:38,289 it will fly forever. 1033 00:50:39,791 --> 00:50:41,292 We had the Saturn V. 1034 00:50:43,419 --> 00:50:44,254 It worked. 1035 00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:48,716 It was flying humans to the moon 1036 00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:51,678 and we canceled it. 1037 00:50:54,264 --> 00:50:56,933 (dramatic music) 1038 00:50:59,394 --> 00:51:01,521 When did we last leave low-Earth orbit, 1039 00:51:01,813 --> 00:51:02,814 you know, a couple hundred miles up 1040 00:51:03,106 --> 00:51:07,277 where the Space Station Space Shuttle orbit, 1041 00:51:07,569 --> 00:51:09,279 to go somewhere interesting with humans? 1042 00:51:09,571 --> 00:51:10,113 When did we last do it? 1043 00:51:10,405 --> 00:51:11,489 1972, Apollo 17. 1044 00:51:12,782 --> 00:51:14,993 It's been more than four decades 1045 00:51:15,285 --> 00:51:19,372 since we've left Earth for another destination. 1046 00:51:19,664 --> 00:51:20,999 What's the problem? 1047 00:51:21,291 --> 00:51:22,500 What are we missing? 1048 00:51:22,792 --> 00:51:23,543 Is it political will? 1049 00:51:23,835 --> 00:51:24,377 Is it motivation? 1050 00:51:24,669 --> 00:51:25,211 Is it money? 1051 00:51:25,503 --> 00:51:27,422 Is it, are we distracted? 1052 00:51:27,714 --> 00:51:29,340 Are there other issues? 1053 00:51:30,758 --> 00:51:32,594 We went to the moon 1054 00:51:32,885 --> 00:51:33,720 in the 1960s! 1055 00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:39,642 What, we didn't have problems in the 1960s? 1056 00:51:39,934 --> 00:51:42,687 (upbeat rock music) 1057 00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,043 We were at a hot war in Southeast Asia, 1058 00:52:05,335 --> 00:52:07,462 a cold war with the Soviet Union, 1059 00:52:07,754 --> 00:52:10,214 the Civil Rights Movement was fully under way, 1060 00:52:10,506 --> 00:52:11,841 there was campus unrest, 1061 00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:15,720 there were riots in the urban centers. 1062 00:52:16,012 --> 00:52:18,222 Shall be the policy of this nation 1063 00:52:18,514 --> 00:52:20,391 to regard any nuclear missile 1064 00:52:20,683 --> 00:52:22,644 launched from Cuba against any nation 1065 00:52:22,935 --> 00:52:24,479 in the Western Hemisphere 1066 00:52:24,771 --> 00:52:28,191 as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States. 1067 00:52:28,483 --> 00:52:30,318 We had the greatest problem the country has seen 1068 00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:32,612 since the Civil War 1069 00:52:32,904 --> 00:52:35,073 and in that climate, on that landscape, 1070 00:52:35,365 --> 00:52:36,407 we went to the Moon. 1071 00:52:36,699 --> 00:52:37,700 So don't turn around and tell me 1072 00:52:37,992 --> 00:52:38,868 that these past four decades 1073 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,745 we've had challenges we couldn't overcome. 1074 00:52:41,037 --> 00:52:42,747 That's why we're not going into space. 1075 00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,208 No, that's not the reason we're not going into space. 1076 00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:49,379 (loud explosions) (rock music) 1077 00:52:57,136 --> 00:53:01,140 It is the most natural question in the world to say, 1078 00:53:02,266 --> 00:53:04,811 you know, if you're a young person in this country, 1079 00:53:05,103 --> 00:53:07,772 wait a second, we were on the Moon? 1080 00:53:08,773 --> 00:53:11,067 American citizens were walking around, 1081 00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,111 jumping around on the moon? 1082 00:53:13,403 --> 00:53:16,698 They were driving a golf cart on the moon? 1083 00:53:16,989 --> 00:53:19,492 They brought back hundreds of pounds 1084 00:53:19,784 --> 00:53:21,994 of specially selected rock samples 1085 00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:26,624 to see what the geological history of the Moon was 1086 00:53:26,916 --> 00:53:28,000 and you stopped? 1087 00:53:29,419 --> 00:53:30,670 Why did you stop? 1088 00:53:32,171 --> 00:53:34,215 Are you people nuts? 1089 00:53:34,507 --> 00:53:35,883 My read of history tells me there's only 1090 00:53:36,175 --> 00:53:37,802 two maybe three motivations 1091 00:53:38,094 --> 00:53:39,595 for ever doing something so grand 1092 00:53:39,887 --> 00:53:41,556 and one of them is war. 1093 00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:44,809 The other is money. 1094 00:53:45,101 --> 00:53:46,811 Let's do it for money. 1095 00:53:47,103 --> 00:53:48,855 If you can do it for money, it'll happen. 1096 00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:52,191 I've never seen anyone do it to explore. 1097 00:53:53,526 --> 00:53:56,362 There is a growing tendency to think of man 1098 00:53:56,654 --> 00:54:00,616 as a rational thinking being, which is absurd. 1099 00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:03,244 There is simply no evidence of any intelligence 1100 00:54:03,536 --> 00:54:04,537 on the Earth. 1101 00:54:04,829 --> 00:54:05,580 Mmhmm, wait! 1102 00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:10,710 (rocket engine roaring) 1103 00:54:21,304 --> 00:54:24,891 Why did we stop producing Saturn V rockets? 1104 00:54:27,643 --> 00:54:30,772 It's one of the great mysteries to me. 1105 00:54:31,063 --> 00:54:33,983 The Saturn V rocket can put more mass 1106 00:54:34,984 --> 00:54:37,987 into low-Earth orbit than our shuttle. 1107 00:54:40,281 --> 00:54:43,034 It had been a natural to help build 1108 00:54:43,326 --> 00:54:45,203 the International Space Station. 1109 00:54:45,495 --> 00:54:48,122 (inspiring music) 1110 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:52,210 The Saturn V was a really unique rocket 1111 00:54:52,502 --> 00:54:54,212 in the sense that it was really 1112 00:54:54,504 --> 00:54:57,548 the first rocket designed for exploration. 1113 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,009 The Mercury Project's launched on a red stone, 1114 00:55:00,301 --> 00:55:02,053 which was an intermediate-range ballistic missile. 1115 00:55:02,345 --> 00:55:03,221 It was modified. 1116 00:55:03,513 --> 00:55:05,097 Then the Gemini went up on a Titan, 1117 00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:06,557 which was an ICBM. 1118 00:55:06,849 --> 00:55:09,644 So, the Saturn program was really the first rocket 1119 00:55:09,936 --> 00:55:11,020 that was never designed 1120 00:55:11,312 --> 00:55:12,897 to be launching missiles on other people. 1121 00:55:13,189 --> 00:55:14,941 It was actually the first one that was designed 1122 00:55:15,233 --> 00:55:17,902 to launch people to new destinations. 1123 00:55:18,194 --> 00:55:20,613 So the Saturn V was a leap beyond anything 1124 00:55:20,905 --> 00:55:23,574 that had been seen before. 1125 00:55:23,866 --> 00:55:27,161 It had five million and a half pound thrust engines 1126 00:55:27,453 --> 00:55:28,913 on just the first stage. 1127 00:55:29,205 --> 00:55:30,581 The second stage had five 1128 00:55:30,873 --> 00:55:33,334 quarter million pound thrust hydrogen engines on it, 1129 00:55:33,626 --> 00:55:35,002 and had a third stage with another 1130 00:55:35,294 --> 00:55:36,462 quarter million pound thrust. 1131 00:55:36,754 --> 00:55:37,755 It was a massive rocket. 1132 00:55:38,047 --> 00:55:40,258 It was something that had never been done before 1133 00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:42,260 and it worked very well 1134 00:55:42,552 --> 00:55:44,178 and it was able to do things 1135 00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:46,222 that nothing could have been able to do 1136 00:55:46,514 --> 00:55:48,808 and nothing can do today. 1137 00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:52,186 (rocket engine roaring) 1138 00:55:58,442 --> 00:56:00,528 We have a tendency in this country, 1139 00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:03,281 like The Tortoise and the Hare. 1140 00:56:03,573 --> 00:56:04,740 We are the Hare. 1141 00:56:05,032 --> 00:56:06,284 We build something, we do something, 1142 00:56:06,576 --> 00:56:08,786 we go back and try something else. 1143 00:56:09,078 --> 00:56:10,872 Look folks, modern design. 1144 00:56:11,163 --> 00:56:12,707 Whoo, whoo, whoo hoo! 1145 00:56:12,999 --> 00:56:14,709 The Russians, in the meanwhile, 1146 00:56:15,001 --> 00:56:16,252 are the tortoise. 1147 00:56:16,544 --> 00:56:19,046 They build something, they keep on going. 1148 00:56:19,338 --> 00:56:21,424 Do you know that the booster, 1149 00:56:21,716 --> 00:56:25,595 the rocket that put Yuri Krekorian up in space in 1961 1150 00:56:28,097 --> 00:56:30,433 is basically the same vehicle 1151 00:56:30,725 --> 00:56:34,020 that's putting our astronauts and their cosmonauts 1152 00:56:34,312 --> 00:56:37,565 into the International Space Station today? 1153 00:56:37,857 --> 00:56:39,525 The same vehicle, 1154 00:56:39,817 --> 00:56:42,069 and yet, we don't keep ours. 1155 00:56:42,361 --> 00:56:44,196 The Saturn V could have been improved. 1156 00:56:44,488 --> 00:56:47,658 That'd been a good stepping stone towards 1157 00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:49,619 going back to the Moon. 1158 00:56:50,745 --> 00:56:53,331 We could have improved the lunar module. 1159 00:56:53,623 --> 00:56:55,666 We couldn't done lots of things 1160 00:56:55,958 --> 00:56:58,252 to the Saturn V to upgrade it, 1161 00:56:58,544 --> 00:57:02,465 and we'd have had still, a viable lunar program going. 1162 00:57:03,883 --> 00:57:04,759 It's a tragedy 1163 00:57:05,051 --> 00:57:07,345 and I'll mention that every time that someone tells me. 1164 00:57:07,637 --> 00:57:11,599 It's a tragedy that we stopped building the Saturn V rocket. 1165 00:57:18,606 --> 00:57:21,317 The decision to stop production of the Saturn V 1166 00:57:21,609 --> 00:57:25,863 dates back really to the Lyndon Johnson administration. 1167 00:57:26,155 --> 00:57:28,658 The Space Agency, facing severe budget restrictions, 1168 00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:31,285 has decided to cut back Apollo moon landing missions 1169 00:57:31,577 --> 00:57:32,912 to two flights a year. 1170 00:57:33,204 --> 00:57:35,915 NASA had stopped ordering long lead-time items 1171 00:57:36,207 --> 00:57:38,584 for the Saturn V in 1968 1172 00:57:38,876 --> 00:57:42,213 and announced suspension of its production. 1173 00:57:43,381 --> 00:57:45,049 There were 15 built and then there weren't 1174 00:57:45,341 --> 00:57:46,258 gonna be any more. 1175 00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:48,719 Then there were ambitious recommendations 1176 00:57:49,011 --> 00:57:51,097 to Nixon in September of '69 1177 00:57:51,389 --> 00:57:54,767 to use Mars its long-term goal of the program 1178 00:57:55,059 --> 00:57:56,978 and build a space station. 1179 00:57:58,813 --> 00:58:02,650 Those recommendations were rejected in the fall of '69 1180 00:58:02,942 --> 00:58:05,778 and then there was no need for 1181 00:58:06,070 --> 00:58:08,906 the kind of capability represented by the Saturn V, 1182 00:58:09,198 --> 00:58:13,577 so it was in the budget cycle in December of 1969 1183 00:58:13,869 --> 00:58:17,331 that the decision finally was made to suspend production, 1184 00:58:17,623 --> 00:58:20,418 basically shut the program down. 1185 00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:24,630 (dramatic music) (typewriter keys clicking) 1186 00:58:52,324 --> 00:58:55,453 (pen scratching) 1187 00:58:55,745 --> 00:58:57,079 We had a president who was 1188 00:58:57,371 --> 00:59:01,000 not particularly interested in the space program. 1189 00:59:01,292 --> 00:59:05,212 We had a Vietnam War that was picking up a lot of money 1190 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,468 and so as soon as the NASA budget 1191 00:59:13,387 --> 00:59:16,474 for Apollo began to drop off a little, 1192 00:59:17,850 --> 00:59:19,435 the White House looked at it 1193 00:59:19,727 --> 00:59:21,812 like a big place to get money. 1194 00:59:22,104 --> 00:59:26,025 (dramatic music) (typewriter keys clicking) 1195 00:59:43,292 --> 00:59:45,878 (pen scratching) 1196 00:59:47,004 --> 00:59:49,090 Thomas Paine, administrator of the Space Agency, 1197 00:59:49,381 --> 00:59:51,258 said today that 50,000 people will be dropped 1198 00:59:51,550 --> 00:59:53,010 and the Space Program stretched out 1199 00:59:53,302 --> 00:59:54,345 as a result of what he called 1200 00:59:54,637 --> 00:59:57,765 very stringent budget cuts ordered by President Nixon. 1201 00:59:58,057 --> 00:59:59,433 Most of those who will lose their jobs 1202 00:59:59,725 --> 01:00:01,310 work for private contractors, 1203 01:00:01,602 --> 01:00:03,521 the rest for the Space Agency. 1204 01:00:03,813 --> 01:00:04,647 Among other things, 1205 01:00:04,939 --> 01:00:07,817 Paine said production of the Saturn V rocket will be ended. 1206 01:00:08,109 --> 01:00:09,443 The last one will be used to launch 1207 01:00:09,735 --> 01:00:11,654 an experimental space station. 1208 01:00:11,946 --> 01:00:12,905 The rocket was designed 1209 01:00:13,197 --> 01:00:16,742 at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville Alabama. 1210 01:00:17,034 --> 01:00:19,578 (dramatic music) 1211 01:00:21,163 --> 01:00:23,124 [Richard Nixon] Now take space, the whole space thing. 1212 01:00:23,415 --> 01:00:25,084 I personally think we ought to, 1213 01:00:25,376 --> 01:00:28,462 as far as the Moon thing is concerned, 1214 01:00:28,754 --> 01:00:31,549 stop at probably about five Apollos and no more. 1215 01:00:31,841 --> 01:00:33,676 Then do something else in space. 1216 01:00:33,968 --> 01:00:34,927 We've got to get a way to get off 1217 01:00:35,219 --> 01:00:36,804 of those damn moon shots. 1218 01:00:37,096 --> 01:00:39,014 Have you been raising that point? 1219 01:00:39,306 --> 01:00:41,142 There can't be any after July. 1220 01:00:41,433 --> 01:00:42,560 And the one that seems to me 1221 01:00:42,852 --> 01:00:43,769 to have the least appeal 1222 01:00:44,061 --> 01:00:45,271 are any more Apollo shots, frankly. 1223 01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:46,772 Why in the hell do they have to go up there 1224 01:00:47,064 --> 01:00:50,526 and take a look around the damn thing again? 1225 01:00:50,818 --> 01:00:53,696 The idea of going to Mars was not selling. 1226 01:00:53,988 --> 01:00:56,490 Putting a base on the Moon was not selling. 1227 01:00:56,782 --> 01:00:58,951 We weren't gonna get the big space station. 1228 01:00:59,243 --> 01:01:01,537 We knew we weren't gonna get the nuclear rocket. 1229 01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:03,664 With the Apollo program doing so well, 1230 01:01:03,956 --> 01:01:05,916 we thought we would be able to at least continue 1231 01:01:06,208 --> 01:01:10,212 with the budget support that we had had for Apollo, 1232 01:01:10,504 --> 01:01:13,924 which had been terrific, and didn't happen, 1233 01:01:14,216 --> 01:01:17,303 and so we were pretty depressed group for a while. 1234 01:01:17,595 --> 01:01:19,013 Saturn V, Saturn 1B, 1235 01:01:20,139 --> 01:01:22,641 command module, all disappeared. 1236 01:01:24,310 --> 01:01:25,978 And there will be a mission to Mars someday, 1237 01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:27,938 but I don't know when. 1238 01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:30,566 50 years from now maybe. 1239 01:01:30,858 --> 01:01:32,234 [Announcer] This time, vote 1240 01:01:32,526 --> 01:01:35,362 like your whole world depended on it. 1241 01:01:39,116 --> 01:01:41,535 (somber music) 1242 01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:48,417 When I look at the present direction 1243 01:01:48,709 --> 01:01:51,462 of our space program today, 1244 01:01:51,754 --> 01:01:53,547 I feel disappointed. 1245 01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:57,301 I feel that our leaders don't really 1246 01:01:57,593 --> 01:02:00,429 have a good reason for continuing it. 1247 01:02:01,430 --> 01:02:06,018 I think that it's not their desire to really have 1248 01:02:06,310 --> 01:02:10,856 a first-class, first-rate program that they can be proud of 1249 01:02:11,148 --> 01:02:15,319 and we look at ways that we waste money in this country 1250 01:02:15,611 --> 01:02:17,863 when we could put it to good use 1251 01:02:18,155 --> 01:02:20,616 in a program that everybody really, 1252 01:02:20,908 --> 01:02:23,869 the average individual, really wants to see done, 1253 01:02:24,161 --> 01:02:27,039 then it kind of makes me feel sad. 1254 01:02:27,331 --> 01:02:30,251 Today, we stand on the shoulders of giants 1255 01:02:30,542 --> 01:02:32,503 and we have to honor those people. 1256 01:02:32,795 --> 01:02:34,964 I know a lot of Apollo astronauts. 1257 01:02:35,256 --> 01:02:37,758 They're pretty pissed off, 1258 01:02:38,050 --> 01:02:39,385 'cause they did their job, 1259 01:02:39,677 --> 01:02:41,220 they did what they were asked to do, 1260 01:02:41,512 --> 01:02:42,888 they put their lives on the line. 1261 01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:46,016 They went out and they did something incredible 1262 01:02:46,308 --> 01:02:48,686 and then nothing happened. 1263 01:02:48,978 --> 01:02:51,272 Can NASA mount a project? 1264 01:02:51,563 --> 01:02:53,399 Can they do a project anymore? 1265 01:02:53,691 --> 01:02:56,193 Or does the project become so politicized 1266 01:02:56,485 --> 01:02:58,237 and so wrapped up in Washington 1267 01:02:58,529 --> 01:03:01,240 that it gets strangled and can't happen. 1268 01:03:01,532 --> 01:03:04,285 Unfortunately, I come from the 60's. 1269 01:03:05,786 --> 01:03:06,704 I'm not cynical. 1270 01:03:06,996 --> 01:03:08,664 I come from the 60's, 1271 01:03:08,956 --> 01:03:10,708 the greatest project management 1272 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,502 the world has ever seen on any project 1273 01:03:13,794 --> 01:03:14,712 and we did it. 1274 01:03:16,255 --> 01:03:17,881 We did it urgently. 1275 01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:19,925 We did it on cost, on schedule, 1276 01:03:20,217 --> 01:03:21,343 and we did it right, 1277 01:03:21,635 --> 01:03:26,098 even with 45 years of hindsight history, we did it right. 1278 01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:28,892 I believe that when we landed 1279 01:03:29,184 --> 01:03:32,438 on the moon in 1969 as a flight tracker, 1280 01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:36,025 my children would see an American back on the Moon. 1281 01:03:36,317 --> 01:03:39,153 I'm starting to lose that belief. 1282 01:03:39,445 --> 01:03:40,863 I had hoped that I would see it myself. 1283 01:03:41,155 --> 01:03:42,781 That is now impossible. 1284 01:03:45,034 --> 01:03:47,536 Ironically, going to the Moon 1285 01:03:48,954 --> 01:03:52,041 could have been a natural continuation 1286 01:03:52,333 --> 01:03:54,626 of the westward migration 1287 01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:56,754 that began with the 13 colonies 1288 01:03:57,046 --> 01:03:59,965 and continued to the end of the 1800s, 1289 01:04:02,217 --> 01:04:04,261 but we didn't do it that way. 1290 01:04:04,553 --> 01:04:07,556 We had a government planned crisis project 1291 01:04:07,848 --> 01:04:11,101 instead of opening up space like a frontier. 1292 01:04:11,393 --> 01:04:12,561 You realized during the entire 1293 01:04:12,853 --> 01:04:14,980 golden age of space exploration 1294 01:04:15,272 --> 01:04:16,982 that we generally associate with the 1960s 1295 01:04:17,274 --> 01:04:18,942 and the voyage to the Moon, 1296 01:04:19,234 --> 01:04:21,236 we remember ourselves as pioneers in that era, 1297 01:04:21,528 --> 01:04:23,697 but in fact, we were reactive 1298 01:04:25,866 --> 01:04:28,911 to the statements made by the Soviets 1299 01:04:29,203 --> 01:04:33,707 rather than proactive in fulfillment of dreams we had. 1300 01:04:33,999 --> 01:04:35,918 They put up a satellite, we gotta put up a satellite. 1301 01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:38,003 They put a animal, non-human animal in orbit, 1302 01:04:38,295 --> 01:04:39,213 we put a non human animal. 1303 01:04:39,505 --> 01:04:43,342 They put up a first human, we put up a first human. 1304 01:04:43,634 --> 01:04:45,052 This went on and on and on 1305 01:04:45,344 --> 01:04:49,348 with Russia beating us in practically everything. 1306 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,183 Then we get to the moon before they did. 1307 01:04:51,475 --> 01:04:52,559 We said, we win. 1308 01:04:56,522 --> 01:04:57,231 If that's how we look at it, 1309 01:04:57,523 --> 01:04:58,941 we didn't understand 1310 01:05:01,193 --> 01:05:03,445 who was pioneering that race. 1311 01:05:08,534 --> 01:05:12,037 So we are better at reacting than proacting, 1312 01:05:14,123 --> 01:05:15,582 given that fact we may have to sink 1313 01:05:15,874 --> 01:05:19,044 deeper into economic poverty as a nation 1314 01:05:20,629 --> 01:05:22,840 before we wake up and say 1315 01:05:23,132 --> 01:05:25,634 we gotta do something about this. 1316 01:05:27,344 --> 01:05:31,390 It's an unfortunate fact of how we function. 1317 01:05:31,682 --> 01:05:32,975 You know, there's a generation out there right now 1318 01:05:33,267 --> 01:05:35,936 that doesn't believe we've ever been to the Moon. 1319 01:05:36,228 --> 01:05:39,106 Now that's not because the shadows 1320 01:05:39,398 --> 01:05:41,608 from the flag fall the wrong way 1321 01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:44,069 or the lens flare is wrong 1322 01:05:44,361 --> 01:05:47,197 or you can't see the stars because of the contrast ratio 1323 01:05:47,489 --> 01:05:50,742 or this or that or the other or anything like that. 1324 01:05:51,034 --> 01:05:54,705 The real reason that any of that sticks at all 1325 01:05:57,374 --> 01:05:59,668 is that we're not there now 1326 01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,503 and it's incredibly hard to believe 1327 01:06:01,795 --> 01:06:03,672 that if we ever did something that magnificent, 1328 01:06:03,964 --> 01:06:06,633 that exciting, that inspirational, 1329 01:06:07,926 --> 01:06:09,094 why did we stop? 1330 01:06:10,179 --> 01:06:13,265 That's the reason there's people who believe we never went. 1331 01:06:13,557 --> 01:06:15,309 Why aren't we there now? 1332 01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:17,603 It's peace time, Jim. 1333 01:06:17,895 --> 01:06:19,688 The government isn't making that kind of appropriations. 1334 01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:21,273 Whether you need the rocket one of these days 1335 01:06:21,565 --> 01:06:23,525 and if it's not ready, the government will do the job. 1336 01:06:23,817 --> 01:06:26,904 And they'll turn to you, to private industry, to do it. 1337 01:06:27,196 --> 01:06:28,989 Government always does that when it gets in a jam. 1338 01:06:29,281 --> 01:06:29,990 It has to. 1339 01:06:30,282 --> 01:06:34,745 This time, I figured we might be ready for the government. 1340 01:06:35,037 --> 01:06:38,749 The British government explored Hudson Bay. 1341 01:06:39,041 --> 01:06:41,710 Then, the Hudson Bay Company was created. 1342 01:06:42,002 --> 01:06:44,254 The US government explores the moon, 1343 01:06:44,546 --> 01:06:47,925 then the lunar, gofindlunarrocks.com 1344 01:06:48,217 --> 01:06:49,635 company will get created. 1345 01:06:49,927 --> 01:06:52,930 We have companies now, spaceX leading the way, 1346 01:06:53,222 --> 01:06:55,307 bringing cargo to and from the Space Station. 1347 01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,060 That should have been happening decades ago. 1348 01:06:58,352 --> 01:07:00,479 You don't need astronauts to serve as truck drivers 1349 01:07:00,771 --> 01:07:03,106 hauling cargo back and forth. 1350 01:07:03,398 --> 01:07:04,858 An unmanned vehicle can do that 1351 01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:07,486 and let the commercial marketplace take care of it. 1352 01:07:07,778 --> 01:07:09,154 Let them bid for that. 1353 01:07:09,446 --> 01:07:10,781 They can do it faster, cheaper, better, 1354 01:07:11,073 --> 01:07:14,117 than any government program could do it, for sure. 1355 01:07:14,409 --> 01:07:16,495 When airplanes were first beginning, 1356 01:07:16,787 --> 01:07:19,248 a very smart group of people decided 1357 01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:20,749 that they were not going to, 1358 01:07:21,041 --> 01:07:23,460 America was not going to own its own fleet, 1359 01:07:23,752 --> 01:07:24,628 its own airline. 1360 01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,463 It said, what we're gonna do is help build 1361 01:07:26,755 --> 01:07:29,258 the airline industry and the airplane industry, 1362 01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:31,218 and they did that by simply guaranteeing 1363 01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:32,427 a certain amount of mail 1364 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:35,055 that was gonna be traveling on airplanes. 1365 01:07:35,347 --> 01:07:37,349 And what happened was that an industry developed 1366 01:07:37,641 --> 01:07:39,309 here America became the leading country 1367 01:07:39,601 --> 01:07:41,979 and the leading technology developer 1368 01:07:42,271 --> 01:07:45,774 of what we now know as modern aviation. 1369 01:07:46,066 --> 01:07:49,987 (inspirational music) (airplane engines roaring) 1370 01:07:58,745 --> 01:08:00,163 People should be able to come up 1371 01:08:00,455 --> 01:08:02,791 with creative, beneficial things 1372 01:08:03,083 --> 01:08:05,919 that they can figure out how to afford to do 1373 01:08:06,211 --> 01:08:10,215 and if there's science involved that can benefit the country 1374 01:08:10,507 --> 01:08:12,718 and the federal government can get involved, 1375 01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:15,304 if there's technology that needs to be developed 1376 01:08:15,596 --> 01:08:18,765 that can help people, the government can get involved there. 1377 01:08:19,057 --> 01:08:21,852 We could have partnerships and we can move out. 1378 01:08:22,144 --> 01:08:24,271 We can have the 21st century equivalent 1379 01:08:24,563 --> 01:08:26,607 of the Transcontinental Railroad, 1380 01:08:26,898 --> 01:08:29,568 which by the way, was built by private companies 1381 01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:32,321 without a government department of railroads 1382 01:08:32,613 --> 01:08:35,032 telling them how to do it. 1383 01:08:35,324 --> 01:08:36,783 We did it with land grants. 1384 01:08:37,075 --> 01:08:38,910 Well, we could do the same thing in space. 1385 01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:40,954 We could do the same sort of 1386 01:08:41,246 --> 01:08:42,873 innovative partnerships in space. 1387 01:08:43,165 --> 01:08:43,957 We just have to get away 1388 01:08:44,249 --> 01:08:45,876 from this sort of bureaucratic mindset 1389 01:08:46,168 --> 01:08:49,671 that it needs to be a government program to do it for us. 1390 01:08:49,963 --> 01:08:52,674 The vast amount of brains, talents, special skills, 1391 01:08:52,966 --> 01:08:54,760 and research facilities necessary for this project 1392 01:08:55,052 --> 01:08:57,679 are not in the government, nor can they be mobilized 1393 01:08:57,971 --> 01:09:01,016 by the government in peacetime without fatal delay. 1394 01:09:01,308 --> 01:09:04,269 Only American industry can do this job. 1395 01:09:04,561 --> 01:09:07,022 The way frontiers have been opened, 1396 01:09:07,314 --> 01:09:08,982 and the way that they should be opened, 1397 01:09:09,274 --> 01:09:13,153 is by an interaction of the private and the public sector, 1398 01:09:13,445 --> 01:09:15,781 working for the good of all 1399 01:09:16,073 --> 01:09:18,617 so that the government is providing 1400 01:09:18,909 --> 01:09:21,203 a Lewis and Clark function, 1401 01:09:21,495 --> 01:09:24,748 a Magellan function, a Drake function, 1402 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,251 and then those explorers are returning 1403 01:09:28,543 --> 01:09:30,462 and telling us about what's over the hill, 1404 01:09:30,754 --> 01:09:32,839 what's across that ocean, 1405 01:09:33,131 --> 01:09:37,260 and then the private sector moves into that realm 1406 01:09:37,552 --> 01:09:41,682 and begins to turn what it is that's been found 1407 01:09:41,973 --> 01:09:43,975 into new land, new wealth, 1408 01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:49,439 and that's how you open a frontier. 1409 01:09:49,731 --> 01:09:51,483 You don't open the frontier 1410 01:09:51,775 --> 01:09:55,612 by sending a few highly paid government employees 1411 01:09:55,904 --> 01:09:59,825 out there in a large and expensive government vehicle 1412 01:10:01,827 --> 01:10:05,831 and throwing most of it away on the way there and back. 1413 01:10:07,165 --> 01:10:09,835 (old timey music) 1414 01:10:11,378 --> 01:10:12,754 Well, I know one thing. 1415 01:10:13,046 --> 01:10:15,215 If they do build a space station in my lifetime, 1416 01:10:15,507 --> 01:10:17,092 or send a ship to the Moon, 1417 01:10:17,384 --> 01:10:19,052 I'm gonna be ready to go. 1418 01:10:19,344 --> 01:10:21,221 What courses are you taking next year? 1419 01:10:21,513 --> 01:10:23,390 Oh, my schedule is already made out. 1420 01:10:23,682 --> 01:10:26,017 In the ninth grade, you have to take mathematics 1421 01:10:26,309 --> 01:10:27,686 and English and history... 1422 01:10:27,978 --> 01:10:28,729 No science? 1423 01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:30,313 Well, I had my choice of taking 1424 01:10:30,605 --> 01:10:32,315 general science this year or next, 1425 01:10:32,607 --> 01:10:34,025 but I've put it off a year. 1426 01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,069 Then you put your trip off a year. 1427 01:10:36,361 --> 01:10:39,072 Science is the engine of prosperity. 1428 01:10:39,364 --> 01:10:41,825 All the wealth we see around us comes from science, 1429 01:10:42,117 --> 01:10:46,163 but science is made by scientists, mainly young people. 1430 01:10:46,455 --> 01:10:48,707 Young people have to be inspired. 1431 01:10:48,999 --> 01:10:50,876 They have to look at the sky and say, 1432 01:10:51,168 --> 01:10:53,503 wow, I wanna be part of this great endeavor 1433 01:10:53,795 --> 01:10:55,547 to explore the universe. 1434 01:10:55,839 --> 01:10:58,216 The real spinoff that matters 1435 01:10:59,259 --> 01:11:01,470 out of the Apollo program 1436 01:11:01,762 --> 01:11:04,097 was a generation that saw that 1437 01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:08,852 and in their mind, they mixed, 1438 01:11:09,144 --> 01:11:10,353 here's the Apollo program 1439 01:11:10,645 --> 01:11:13,732 and people really doing something cool out there in space, 1440 01:11:14,024 --> 01:11:15,692 and here's Captain Kirk 1441 01:11:15,984 --> 01:11:18,445 and these kinds of shows and movies, 1442 01:11:18,737 --> 01:11:19,821 2001 Space Odyssey, 1443 01:11:20,113 --> 01:11:21,656 and if you put this all together 1444 01:11:21,948 --> 01:11:24,993 in the mind of a child or a teenager what begins to happen 1445 01:11:25,285 --> 01:11:28,205 is a synthesis that says, I'm wanna do that. 1446 01:11:28,497 --> 01:11:29,790 Somebody's done it. 1447 01:11:30,081 --> 01:11:31,374 I can do it. 1448 01:11:31,666 --> 01:11:33,418 I'm gonna figure out how to do it. 1449 01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:35,712 The biggest spin-off of the Apollo program 1450 01:11:36,004 --> 01:11:39,508 was a generation who stayed in school, who studied, 1451 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,135 and now, they wanna do that. 1452 01:11:42,427 --> 01:11:44,221 They want to give back to civilization 1453 01:11:44,513 --> 01:11:46,681 in the way that they were inspired to do as children. 1454 01:11:46,973 --> 01:11:49,351 My son looked up at me one night and asked me, 1455 01:11:49,643 --> 01:11:51,812 sorry, it still breaks me up. 1456 01:11:53,355 --> 01:11:54,940 Daddy, is it really true 1457 01:11:55,232 --> 01:11:57,901 that they used to fly to the Moon when you were a boy? 1458 01:11:58,193 --> 01:11:58,985 I was really disappointed 1459 01:11:59,277 --> 01:12:00,654 that we had not sent anyone to Mars, 1460 01:12:00,946 --> 01:12:03,198 that we had not progressed beyond Apollo, 1461 01:12:03,490 --> 01:12:05,992 and I kept waiting for when we would, 1462 01:12:06,284 --> 01:12:08,537 and it just didn't happen, year after year. 1463 01:12:08,829 --> 01:12:12,123 I submit that if we engage in another bold vision 1464 01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:13,792 like we did in the 60's, 1465 01:12:14,084 --> 01:12:15,460 this time not motivated by war, 1466 01:12:15,752 --> 01:12:18,547 but by an understanding of the impact 1467 01:12:18,839 --> 01:12:21,675 of that adventure on our culture, 1468 01:12:21,967 --> 01:12:22,717 our culture. 1469 01:12:23,802 --> 01:12:26,346 What people wanted to be when they grew up. 1470 01:12:26,638 --> 01:12:28,849 I am a child of Apollo. 1471 01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:32,185 The greatest influences I had growing up 1472 01:12:32,477 --> 01:12:34,229 were NASA and Star Trek. 1473 01:12:36,106 --> 01:12:38,567 I didn't just believe we were going into space. 1474 01:12:38,859 --> 01:12:39,776 I expected it. 1475 01:12:40,861 --> 01:12:43,071 It stimulates an entire generation 1476 01:12:43,363 --> 01:12:44,614 of scientists and technologists. 1477 01:12:44,906 --> 01:12:46,032 It's the 21st century. 1478 01:12:46,324 --> 01:12:47,868 You need them if you care about 1479 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,120 the health of your economy tomorrow. 1480 01:12:50,412 --> 01:12:52,205 You need folks like that around you. 1481 01:12:52,497 --> 01:12:54,040 I went to the NASA website to just see 1482 01:12:54,332 --> 01:12:55,250 when are we going to Mars? 1483 01:12:55,542 --> 01:12:57,419 And I couldn't find that out. 1484 01:12:57,711 --> 01:12:59,754 (laughter) 1485 01:13:00,046 --> 01:13:00,881 Then I thought, well, 1486 01:13:01,172 --> 01:13:04,217 perhaps this is a question of, of will. 1487 01:13:04,509 --> 01:13:07,846 Is there sufficient will to do this? 1488 01:13:08,138 --> 01:13:11,933 The reason I fight so hard for this cause 1489 01:13:12,225 --> 01:13:15,312 is because I believe we are here 1490 01:13:15,604 --> 01:13:17,689 to expand and grow 1491 01:13:17,981 --> 01:13:21,776 and carry the light of life into space. 1492 01:13:22,068 --> 01:13:24,446 If we don't embrace space as a frontier, 1493 01:13:24,738 --> 01:13:27,282 what are we as a species? 1494 01:13:27,574 --> 01:13:28,909 We have the power to do it. 1495 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,619 We have the know-how to do it. 1496 01:13:30,911 --> 01:13:33,246 We know what it can bring us, 1497 01:13:33,538 --> 01:13:36,833 culturally, economically, militaristically. 1498 01:13:38,293 --> 01:13:42,213 To not do it is to simply not have the foresight. 1499 01:13:44,883 --> 01:13:47,469 In these final hours before Apollo 17, 1500 01:13:47,761 --> 01:13:49,095 some people are gloomy about 1501 01:13:49,387 --> 01:13:51,181 the future of space exploration. 1502 01:13:51,473 --> 01:13:53,934 Not among them is Dr. Vander Von Braun, 1503 01:13:54,225 --> 01:13:56,144 the retired rocket expert to develop 1504 01:13:56,436 --> 01:13:58,313 the big Saturn launch vehicles 1505 01:13:58,605 --> 01:14:01,066 and used to send men on the way to the Moon. 1506 01:14:01,358 --> 01:14:03,610 I talked with Dr. Von Braun earlier this evening. 1507 01:14:03,902 --> 01:14:07,030 I think that all good things have an ending. 1508 01:14:07,322 --> 01:14:10,075 I consider Apollo a little bit as it were 1509 01:14:10,367 --> 01:14:14,871 as a ceiling ship and dog sled area for the south pole. 1510 01:14:15,163 --> 01:14:16,998 Or next time we go to the south pole, 1511 01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:19,584 we'll go by turboprop airplane. 1512 01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:22,128 We doubled the number of science graduates 1513 01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:24,589 in this country during Apollo at every level: 1514 01:14:24,881 --> 01:14:26,675 High school, college, PhD. 1515 01:14:26,967 --> 01:14:28,051 What force was operating to make 1516 01:14:28,343 --> 01:14:29,552 everyone want to become scientists? 1517 01:14:29,844 --> 01:14:31,888 We were going to the Moon. 1518 01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:34,599 So, our motivation was militaristically driven 1519 01:14:34,891 --> 01:14:36,768 but we benefited economically from it 1520 01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:38,895 because scientists and technologists 1521 01:14:39,187 --> 01:14:41,856 invent the economies of tomorrow. 1522 01:14:46,027 --> 01:14:48,947 We used to invent new things with such frequency 1523 01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:52,075 that you didn't fix something that was about to break. 1524 01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:54,285 You putting something completely new 1525 01:14:54,577 --> 01:14:57,414 that took you to a new place. 1526 01:14:57,706 --> 01:14:58,999 You didn't have to worry about the old thing breaking, 1527 01:14:59,290 --> 01:15:02,210 because you just replaced the entire structure 1528 01:15:02,502 --> 01:15:04,212 with better materials, lighter materials, 1529 01:15:04,504 --> 01:15:06,172 more durable materials. 1530 01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:11,761 These are the things that come out of an innovation nation. 1531 01:15:12,053 --> 01:15:13,430 You know how you get in an innovation nation? 1532 01:15:13,722 --> 01:15:15,932 You put a bold project in front of them 1533 01:15:16,224 --> 01:15:18,685 that inspires people to want to innovate in the first place. 1534 01:15:18,977 --> 01:15:22,230 And I know of no greater force of nature 1535 01:15:22,522 --> 01:15:25,108 then what going into space can do 1536 01:15:26,276 --> 01:15:28,194 for the next generation of people 1537 01:15:28,486 --> 01:15:32,741 who are tasked with taking us into the 21st century. 1538 01:15:33,033 --> 01:15:36,536 I believe that we can carry this battle 1539 01:15:36,828 --> 01:15:40,123 and basically address it, articulate it, 1540 01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:42,876 is an economic challenge to the nation 1541 01:15:43,168 --> 01:15:44,794 a technological challenge to the nation, 1542 01:15:45,086 --> 01:15:47,756 a spiritual challenge to the nation, 1543 01:15:48,048 --> 01:15:50,800 that we have to believe as a nation 1544 01:15:52,927 --> 01:15:55,013 we are capable of doing difficult things 1545 01:15:55,305 --> 01:15:57,348 and move forward and do it. 1546 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,685 We need to bring America's character 1547 01:16:00,977 --> 01:16:03,229 to bear on America's frontier 1548 01:16:04,522 --> 01:16:05,857 and if we do that, 1549 01:16:08,193 --> 01:16:11,696 there is no limit to what we can accomplish. 1550 01:16:12,864 --> 01:16:15,325 We were given the Apollo program 1551 01:16:15,617 --> 01:16:17,243 because of a set of challenges 1552 01:16:17,535 --> 01:16:20,747 that a very young president faced. 1553 01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:22,624 We were fortunate at that time 1554 01:16:22,916 --> 01:16:24,292 we had the articulators. 1555 01:16:24,584 --> 01:16:26,503 We had the Von Brauns and the Lowes 1556 01:16:26,795 --> 01:16:29,464 and the gurus who were capable of going up 1557 01:16:29,756 --> 01:16:31,925 and basically talking to this president 1558 01:16:32,217 --> 01:16:35,929 and talking to the US Congress and selling this program. 1559 01:16:36,221 --> 01:16:40,642 We need the people who have that fluency, that belief 1560 01:16:40,934 --> 01:16:44,437 and are willing to expend themselves in that cost. 1561 01:16:44,729 --> 01:16:45,772 During the Apollo era, 1562 01:16:46,064 --> 01:16:47,774 you didn't need government programs 1563 01:16:48,066 --> 01:16:49,025 trying to convince people 1564 01:16:49,317 --> 01:16:50,235 that doing science and engineering 1565 01:16:50,527 --> 01:16:51,945 was good for the country. 1566 01:16:52,237 --> 01:16:54,114 It was self-evident. 1567 01:16:54,405 --> 01:16:57,909 Maybe we need a department of future thinkers 1568 01:16:58,952 --> 01:17:02,413 who aren't thinking, will I get reelected this November? 1569 01:17:02,705 --> 01:17:06,668 Who aren't thinking, can we afford this now? 1570 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,336 Are these other problems I have to solve? 1571 01:17:08,628 --> 01:17:09,170 No. 1572 01:17:09,462 --> 01:17:11,714 We need like a new presidential cabinet position: 1573 01:17:12,006 --> 01:17:12,841 The futurist. 1574 01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:17,554 They can help set priorities for how we invest 1575 01:17:17,846 --> 01:17:22,225 versus the return on that investment later on. 1576 01:17:22,517 --> 01:17:23,935 That's what we need. 1577 01:17:26,771 --> 01:17:28,356 We don't have that 1578 01:17:28,648 --> 01:17:30,400 and I've been trying, but I've been failing, 1579 01:17:30,692 --> 01:17:32,443 so basically, I've gave up. 1580 01:17:32,735 --> 01:17:34,404 Just going back to my lab. 1581 01:17:34,696 --> 01:17:37,198 I'm tired of screaming into people's ears. 1582 01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:38,741 What we got paid back for 1583 01:17:39,033 --> 01:17:40,994 were million of scientists, engineers, 1584 01:17:41,286 --> 01:17:43,830 doctors, medical researchers, inventors, okay? 1585 01:17:44,122 --> 01:17:45,206 Who are the people who created 1586 01:17:45,498 --> 01:17:46,958 the economic boom of the 1990's, 1587 01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:49,002 these 40 year old techno billionaires 1588 01:17:49,294 --> 01:17:50,128 who built Silicon Valley? 1589 01:17:50,420 --> 01:17:52,338 These are the 12 year olds of the 1960s. 1590 01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:56,926 Apollo worked because John F Kennedy said in 1961, 1591 01:17:57,218 --> 01:18:00,555 we are going to be on the Moon by the end of the decade, 1592 01:18:00,847 --> 01:18:03,558 and while administrations changed in early 1969, 1593 01:18:03,850 --> 01:18:05,185 we were practically to the Moon 1594 01:18:05,476 --> 01:18:08,521 and they weren't about to cancel that at that point. 1595 01:18:08,813 --> 01:18:11,482 If instead, Kennedy had said, I think it'd be good idea 1596 01:18:11,774 --> 01:18:14,027 to go to the Moon and we should do it by the year 2000, 1597 01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:16,738 we never would have made it to the Moon. 1598 01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:18,740 It's not about the rocket equation. 1599 01:18:19,032 --> 01:18:20,617 It's not about physics. 1600 01:18:20,909 --> 01:18:23,953 We solve those issues every single day. 1601 01:18:25,288 --> 01:18:27,582 We have built a cage around our ideas. 1602 01:18:27,874 --> 01:18:31,502 We have built a cage around our future that says you cannot. 1603 01:18:31,794 --> 01:18:34,088 We are telling the generation that exists today 1604 01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:36,841 that they're going to have less, 1605 01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:38,259 that they should give up their dreams. 1606 01:18:38,551 --> 01:18:42,388 That their job is to save a planet that we've screwed up. 1607 01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,308 What really matters is that someday 1608 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,435 there's a kid living on the moon, 1609 01:18:47,727 --> 01:18:48,770 there's a kid living in free space, 1610 01:18:49,062 --> 01:18:50,313 there's a kid living on Mars, 1611 01:18:50,605 --> 01:18:51,940 who looks back at the Earth and says, 1612 01:18:52,232 --> 01:18:52,857 that's where we came from, 1613 01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:54,067 turns their head, looks the other way, 1614 01:18:54,359 --> 01:18:55,902 and says, that's what we're going. 1615 01:18:56,194 --> 01:18:58,196 It will be a human endeavor. 1616 01:18:58,488 --> 01:19:01,032 It will bring out the best in humankind. 1617 01:19:01,324 --> 01:19:03,534 Space exploration has changed your life 1618 01:19:03,826 --> 01:19:06,537 and it's made your life better. 1619 01:19:06,829 --> 01:19:09,624 The food you eat, your communication systems, 1620 01:19:09,916 --> 01:19:13,628 your transportation systems are all made better by space. 1621 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,298 But deeper and bigger and more importantly, 1622 01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:21,552 your view of your relationship to the Cosmos, 1623 01:19:21,844 --> 01:19:23,221 your place in space, 1624 01:19:23,513 --> 01:19:25,974 is fundamentally influenced by people 1625 01:19:26,266 --> 01:19:28,393 who have insisted that we explore space, 1626 01:19:28,685 --> 01:19:30,144 that we go over the horizon, 1627 01:19:30,436 --> 01:19:32,647 that we look beyond what we can see 1628 01:19:32,939 --> 01:19:34,816 and that is all to the good 1629 01:19:35,108 --> 01:19:39,445 and it is in everyone's best interest to support it. 1630 01:19:39,737 --> 01:19:42,657 We cannot allow ourselves to settle 1631 01:19:42,949 --> 01:19:46,327 for the condition and the state that we are in today. 1632 01:19:46,619 --> 01:19:50,123 We have to become the foot soldiers in the fight for space, 1633 01:19:50,415 --> 01:19:52,333 and it has to apply to every person 1634 01:19:52,625 --> 01:19:55,628 who lives, works, and dreams of space, 1635 01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,505 and it's time to do it now. 1636 01:19:57,797 --> 01:20:00,300 (dramatic music) 1637 01:26:03,704 --> 01:26:06,540 (upbeat rock music) 1638 01:27:20,865 --> 01:27:23,617 (enchanting music) 1639 01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:36,305 I got fired. 1640 01:32:36,597 --> 01:32:37,139 [Man] Really? 1641 01:32:37,431 --> 01:32:39,099 Yes sir, out the door. 1642 01:32:39,391 --> 01:32:40,142 We're not gonna fly you again. 1643 01:32:40,434 --> 01:32:41,643 We don't have a job for you. 1644 01:32:41,935 --> 01:32:43,353 They get tired of hearing this stuff 1645 01:32:43,645 --> 01:32:45,647 and when you're jabbing them, the bureaucrats, 1646 01:32:45,939 --> 01:32:47,566 you're jabbing them, 1647 01:32:47,858 --> 01:32:49,193 they've had enough. 128189

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