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The area of manned spaceflight
budget request for Apollo
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is being reduced by $42.1 million
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to $916.5 million.
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This reduction will be achieved
by canceling the Apollo 15
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and 19 lunar missions,
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redesignating the remaining Apollo flights
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as Apollo's 14 through 17.
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(inspirational music)
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Everything is going smoothly here
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at the Kennedy Space Center
for the launch of Apollo 17,
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man's last trip to the moon
in the foreseeable future.
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(dramatic fanfare)
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[Eugene Cernan] Three,
two, one ignition.
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We're on our way, Houston.
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I believe that this
nation should commit itself
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to achieving the goal
before this decade is out
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of landing a man on the moon
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and returning him safely to the Earth.
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No single space project in this period
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will be more impressive to mankind,
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or more important for the
long-range exploration of space.
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None will be so difficult
or expensive to accomplish.
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The average taxpayer is entitled to ask
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what's in space for me?
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[Reporter] T minus 15
seconds, guidance is internal.
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12, 11, 10, nine, ignition sequence start,
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six, five, four, three,
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two, one, zero all engine run.
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Lift off, we have a lift off,
32 minutes past the hour,
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lift off on Apollo 11.
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[Neil Armstrong] Roger,
we got a roll program.
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[Reporter] Tower cleared.
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[Bruce McCandless] Roger, roll.
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What does spaceflight do for people?
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It's a philosophical answer.
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It's exploration, it's the
human spirit of going out there.
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The great thing we wanna
know is where do we fit in?
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There's two questions that trouble us all
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at some point in our life.
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Where did we come from?
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And are we alone?
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Without the space program,
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our economy would be hurled
50 years back into the past.
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Think of it for a moment.
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GPS, weather satellites,
telecommunications, the Internet.
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By the exploration of the moon,
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or by landing on the moon walking around,
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that led to a space program,
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which led to Global Positioning Systems,
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which led to so-called space assets,
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which have affected every thing.
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The reason to explore space
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is that it can boost our economy, period.
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It boost our economy as
it changes the culture.
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People think differently.
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Think about the future, think
about inventing something.
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Think about making a better tomorrow,
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rather than just surviving the day.
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[Bill] You go over the hill,
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you don't know what you're gonna find.
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And you're not gonna go over the hill
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unless you're curious about it.
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It transforms the intellectual
outlook of a nation,
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when a nation embarks on
something bold and audacious,
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such is going into deep
space, as it did in the 1960s.
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[Announcer] Today a
new moon is in the sky,
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a 23 inch metal sphere placed
in orbit by a Russian rocket.
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Here, an artist's conception
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of how the feat was accomplished.
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A three-stage rocket; Number one,
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the booster in the class of
an intercontinental missile.
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Its weight estimated at 50 tons.
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A smaller second stage took
over at 5000 miles an hour,
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and carried on to the
highest point reached,
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500 miles up, the
artificial moon is boosted
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to a speed counterbalancing
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the pull of gravity and released.
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You are hearing the
actual signals transmitted
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by the Earth circling satellite,
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one of the great scientific
feats of the age.
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In 1957 Sputnik was launched.
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And if you ask me what
drove the creation of NASA,
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it was the launching of Sputnik.
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The public often thinks of Sputnik as,
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oh it's just an innocent little
satellite that went beep.
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Let's part the curtains and
you find out this was the shell
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of an intercontinental ballistic missile
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that had been hollowed out
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and a radio transmitter put in the head.
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That's what was flying
over our heads in America
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on October 4th, 1957.
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Spooked us to no end.
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No one said oh, the frontier
of exploration is breached.
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No, it was Soviet Union
has a new high ground.
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They are our sworn enemy.
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We can't look bad in front of them.
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We've gotta do it too.
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We need an agency to take care of this.
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A year later, NASA was founded.
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[Announcer] This special
report brought to you by NASA,
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the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration.
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What we had was something
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that had come out of a very can-do spirit
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that came out of the spirit
of winning World War II.
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It came out of the technology burst
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that was going on around
the world at that time.
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It came out of the imaginations of people
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like Wernher Von Braun,
Willy Ley, and Walt Disney.
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In our modern world, everywhere we look,
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we see the influence science
has upon our daily lives.
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Now here's a model my design
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for a four stage orbital rocket ship.
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It came out of the inspiration
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of people like Arthur C
Clarke, and Robert Heinlein,
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and Isaac Asimov, and Silverberg,
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and all the great science
fiction writers of the time,
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who were inspiring children,
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all kinds of people in that realm.
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And then we had the spark
that ignited that passion
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into a fire that was from Sputnik.
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People said,
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what happens if there's a
hydrogen bomb orbiting head?
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If the Russians have the high ground,
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then we could be
outmaneuvered in the next war.
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The United States too,
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promised to launch an Earth satellite,
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but in our satellite program,
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we Americans got badly bogged down.
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Why, what happened?
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We had the money, the resources,
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and the scientific know-how.
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Unfortunately, a series of wrong decisions
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led us to frustration and failure.
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This order went out to the Armed Services.
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Let me read it to you.
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Recent news stories which have
described certain projects
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as space flight projects
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have resulted in unfavorable reaction
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at Department of Defense
and congressional levels.
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In any speeches or public releases,
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planned by you or your staff,
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avoid the mention or discussion of space,
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space technology, and space vehicles.
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And so, by the summer of 1957,
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space had become a forbidden
word in Washington.
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In totally realistic terms,
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Von Braun could've had us there in 1950.
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We need to understand,
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we would have launched
a satellite in 1950.
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The reason we did not is
because we didn't wish to.
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Panic set in, and after
that people said okay,
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let's regroup let's do something.
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It was your patriotic duty
to become a physicist,
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a chemist, a mathematician.
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It was for America and for freedom
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that people said yes I wanna
to become a cold war here
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for their freedom and for liberty.
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The history of human reaction
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to the threat of death knows no bounds,
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and knowing no bounds includes
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birthing an entire space program
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for the purpose of showing the world
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that we will not be bested
by evil godless Communists.
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Such was the mood and
attitude in the 1950s.
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[Narrator] Man had his
first big success in space
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when the Russians pushed a
man across the threshold.
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He was Yuri Gagarin, the
astronaut the Russians lionized
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as the first to orbit the Earth.
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It was the propaganda coup of the year.
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(crowd cheering and applauding)
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But why, some say, the moon?
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Why choose this as our goal?
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And they may well ask why
climb the highest mountain?
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Why 35 years again, fly the Atlantic?
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Why does Rice play Texas?
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We choose to go to the Moon.
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We choose to go to the Moon.
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We choose to go to the moon in this decade
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and do the other things,
not because they are easy,
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but because they are hard,
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because that goal will serve
to organize and measure
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the best of our energies and skills,
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because that challenge is one
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that they're willing to accept,
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one we are willing to postpone,
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and one we intend to win.
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At the time that President
Kennedy made his speech,
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we had never been to orbit.
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Just a little bit over a week
before the Kennedy speech
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to the US Congress,
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we had launched Alan Sheppard.
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[Launch Control] Lift off.
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[Alan Shepard] Ahh, Roger, liftoff
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and the clock is started.
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We'd never been to orbit,
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and we were challenged to
beat the Russians to the moon.
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So, to a great extent
that initial challenge
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was one that I believe was geopolitical,
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but it also had the economic benefit
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to basically generate the enthusiasm
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and the passion within
the American public.
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(engines roaring and inspirational music)
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The spurt of education,
very, very important.
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I think that's almost as significant
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as are actual flight themselves,
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because it gave all the young people
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something to look forward
to, and excitement,
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something that they can look up to.
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Everyday, I meet people now in their 50's,
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who said look, when I was
a little kid, you know,
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you inspired me to become an engineer,
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or become a scientist,
to becoming a doctor,
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and that gives me a sort
of a sense of satisfaction
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that I was in a program
that helped other people
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form good careers.
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(engines roaring to life)
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(dramatic music)
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I think one of the greatest
moments of the last century
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in the space program was
the flight of Apollo 8.
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I was on that flight.
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At the time that we did it,
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I don't think we fully
understood the significance
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of the very first flight to the moon,
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the whole 240,000 miles.
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We were the pathfinders, we didn't land,
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but we checked the navigation,
checked the communication,
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circled of the Moon and
looked at the far side,
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the side that we never see from the Earth.
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(ominous music)
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We brought back with us a photograph
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of the Earth from the Moon.
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And we called Earthrise,
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which in I think is just one picture
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told us how insignificant
we all are here on Earth.
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The Earth is really a small planet,
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that just so happened to
be at the right distance
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and the right mass to sustain life
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going around a rather normal star,
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and that star is in the
outer edge of a galaxy
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called the Milky Way,
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just one of millions of
galaxies in our universe.
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And maybe just for a small amount of time
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in December of 1968 everyone
kind of felt a closeness
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that we had not felt before.
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For the first time in history today,
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man got a long distance live
view of the planet he lives on,
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transmitted and described by
the first three human beings
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to travel to the moon.
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The Apollo 8 astronauts
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sent back those pictures this afternoon,
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and we'll have more
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along with the full story
later in this broadcast.
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I think what happened
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was Kennedy wanting to
demonstrate to the Soviets
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that we were the biggest,
baddest kids on the block,
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that our technology will kick
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your technology's ass any time.
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And it worked, and it was glorious,
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but it wasn't sustainable
because it was a crisis project.
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If it was actually about exploration,
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and about the scientific
frontier being pushed outward,
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if it were actually about that,
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maybe we would have had a scientist
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on the first mission to the Moon,
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but no there was no
scientist on Apollo 11,
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nor on Apollo 12, or Apollo 13,
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or Apollo 14, or Apollo 15, or Apollo 16.
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The first scientist was on Apollo 17,
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and Apollo 17 was the
last mission to the Moon.
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There was not a statement made
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that we're gonna go to the moon
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and establishing a human community.
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We're not gonna go, you know,
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the Moon and then on to Mars.
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We're not gonna go do this, and then that.
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It was simply, we're going to
put a human being on the moon.
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And we achieved it.
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Do you wish
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that the first Apollo Mission
hadn't reached the Moon?
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Or that we hadn't gone on to Mars
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and then to the nearest star?
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That's like saying you wish
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that you still operated with scalpels,
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and sewed your patients up with catgut,
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like you
great-great-great-grandfather used to.
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Ever since the time of
Sputnik and President Kennedy,
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I think our dedication to the
space program has been high,
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higher than most countries.
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And I feel like probably
over the past decade,
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it's waned significantly.
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I feel like we should
be doing more in space
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'cause I think there's a
lot of learning to be done
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as far as vaccines and a lot of things
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that can help the American people,
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even though it's not a sexy program
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like it used to be with the moon landing.
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I think it's more important now
than it has been in decades.
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I know that it's not
really doing much anymore
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since the space shuttle
program was closed down,
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so I don't know what they're up to.
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Be cool if they were doing something soon.
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You know, when I see them
building robots, you know,
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to go on Mars, or I see what
the Rover and Curiosity,
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and Opportunity and Spirits
are doing, we basically just,
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it excites me to know
that we're doing that.
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To me a culture that's not
doing that is stagnant,
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and a culture that is
doing that is progressive
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and moving forward in
a positive direction.
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Back in the 60's when
we first, you know,
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when the space program was in full swing,
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I fully expected us to have colonies
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on the Moon by this time.
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Where are they?
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I'm disappointed to see that we're,
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that we're not putting more
effort into something like that.
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I think it's just absolutely essential
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that we maintain this
program and advance it.
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All those who think it's a problem
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that we haven't been
outside of low Earth orbit
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for four decades can only say so,
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because they think that going to the moon
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was the first step of this great adventure
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where we explore space
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and somehow we've failed
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on the expectations we had for ourselves,
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but once you realize we
went because we were at war,
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and then they're not going to the Moon.
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They're not going to Mars
and the Cold War's over.
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What's your motivation?
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[Announcer] The Moon, a lonely world
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in the absence of man.
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But here we have left our mark,
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the signature attesting a
legacy to future generations.
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We stood on the shoulders of
giants and touched the Moon.
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The decision what to do after Apollo
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was driven by desire
to limit NASA spending
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to only a fraction of what it had been
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at the height of the Apollo program.
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And in order to reach that lower budget,
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you couldn't continue to use Saturn V.
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They were too expensive per launch,
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so the program devolved back
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into a low Earth orbit program.
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Senator Edward Kennedy urged today
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that spending on the
space program be cut back
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after the goals set for exploring the moon
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have been achieved.
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Senator Kennedy said a substantial portion
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of the space budget should be diverted
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to what he called pressing
problems here at home.
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Going into outer
space is very expensive.
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It cost $10,000 to put a pound of anything
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just into near-earth orbit.
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That your weight in gold.
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Now, to put you on the Moon
cost about $100,000 a pound,
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and to put you on Mars
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would cost over a million dollars a pound.
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That is your weight in diamonds.
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Back of a 1960s the great
superpowers didn't care
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spending so much money on the Space Race,
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because it was a matter of national pride
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and national security,
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but now that the Cold War is over,
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the great powers are not willing to spend
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so much of their National Treasure,
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because national pride
and national security
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are no longer at stake.
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Imagine if you and I
climbed in a plane right now
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and wanted to fly to
New York City and back.
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And along the way,
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all of its pieces are
gonna be thrown away,
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so that when you arrive in New York,
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if you make it at all,
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you'll arrive in a
little capsule and land.
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Now, the only way you get to come back
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is for them to rebuild the entire rocket,
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upon which that original capsule stood,
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climb in it and fly back, and by the way,
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you're gonna throw all
the pieces away again.
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What that pretty well assures you
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is that very, very few people
are gonna make that trip.
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(upbeat rock music)
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[Mission Control] Stage two, clear.
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[Narrator] If all goes
according to schedule,
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scenes like this,
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a reusable Space Shuttle making
its final approach to land
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will be a common sight
beginning next fall.
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The Space Shuttle was
promised to us in the 70s
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as a vehicle that would
fly over 50 times a year.
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The Shuttle was gonna bring the cost
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of going into orbit down to $100 a pound.
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[Announcer] It looks like a jet plane,
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will lift off like a rocket,
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and will return like a glider,
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commuting to space every
two weeks is the plan.
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If you measure it by that metric
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the program was a complete
and utter failure.
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(dramatic music)
(engines roaring to life)
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The basic drivers were low
cost, reliable, reusable.
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Let's call it a space bus.
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That was the motivation in 1969, a bus,
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up and down under all conditions.
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And the Shuttle program did not turn out
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the way it was supposed to.
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It was supposed to be
$10 million a flight,
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and ended up $1.2 billion a flight,
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so you know it missed by 1200 times over.
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The Shuttle is kind of
all things to all people.
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Originally, from NASA's point of view,
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it was going to be a supply vehicle
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to go to a large Space Station.
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And NASA in 1969 proposed
building the Space Station
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and having it supplied by the Shuttle.
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The Nixon Administration decided
not to approve a station,
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and so the rationale for a
shuttle had to be reinvented,
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and it became a launch
vehicle for everything.
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[Reporter] That's the
theory of Dr. John Logsdon,
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a George Washington University
Political Science professor,
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who has written extensively
on the space program
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for the last dozen years.
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NASA so get used to the
luxury of the extra money,
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the public attention,
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the importance to the general public
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that came with Apollo,
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and the excitement and the challenge,
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and wanted to do it again.
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What do we need a Space Shuttle for?
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Or a Space Station?
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Well, some people said that
we need a Space Station
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to be the terminus for the Space Shuttle.
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Well, then why do we need a Space Shuttle?
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To be the way to reach the Space Station.
436
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Now, I think that's a
bit circular, isn't it?
437
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[John Logsdon] You know, at first,
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you look at the space program,
and oh, that's so cool.
439
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The Space Shuttle, that's amazing.
440
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Then you know, this is great,
441
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and then really look
at it and you realize,
442
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hold it, they're not going anywhere.
443
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They're not doing anything.
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[Reporter] John Logsdon says the Shuttle
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could turn out to be a classic mistake.
446
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It's a pretty good space truck
447
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for taking things up and down,
448
00:23:25,575 --> 00:23:27,869
but for doing anything
once you're in orbit,
449
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it's a very inflexible
and underpowered vehicle.
450
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The Shuttle is the most
complex space vehicle
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man has ever built.
452
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It is a result of nine
years of compromise,
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negotiation, and cost overruns.
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Soon, we'll begin to find
out if it was all worth it.
455
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John Danzing, NBC News,
at Kennedy Space Center.
456
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So, the shuttle design of a reusable,
457
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and therefore much less expensive,
458
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and in the end there was no
way to maintain the flight rate
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that was projected for it.
460
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It just didn't work out that
way because it was too complex,
461
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too expensive, and then
we had the accidents.
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(somber music)
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It is the worst disaster in the history
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of the American Space Program,
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and President Reagan has
declared a week of mourning
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for the seven astronauts,
five men and two women
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who lost their lives on their
way into space this morning.
468
00:24:23,466 --> 00:24:27,220
Yeah, the Challenger
really changed everything.
469
00:24:27,512 --> 00:24:30,515
It was one of the, it was
a priority in the nation
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to get every payload onto the Shuttle,
471
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to get it's usage up,
472
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to make sure it's utilization
was as high as it could be.
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There was a lot of
attention focused on it.
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It was a terrible tragedy replayed over
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and over again on television.
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And, there had sort of been a feeling
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in the space community
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that if there was a tragic
accident with a Shuttle
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that it would never fly again.
480
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There was 32 months I think it was
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before another Space Shuttle flew,
482
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but there were changes,
considerable changes
483
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to the nature of the Space
Shuttle program after that.
484
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For example, originally the
Shuttle was gonna be launching
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just about every satellite
486
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that the United States wanted to put up.
487
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Instead they said that no,
you are only gonna use this
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for things you really need
to have people involved in.
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If you can just launch it on a rocket,
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launch in on a rocket.
491
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You don't need to launch
it on the Space Shuttle.
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To take these highly skilled
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amazing people called astronauts,
494
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and put them in charge
of driving this truck
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around in circles in orbit
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instead of doing something
really exciting and important.
497
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You know, that's where
the problems came from,
498
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and that came from a lack of leadership
499
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down the street from NASA,
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you know in Congress
and in the White House.
501
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The Shuttle did mature us though,
502
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it was so difficult, new
scientists, new technology,
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so difficult to operate, it made us good.
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We had to be good to operate that system,
505
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but at the end of the Shuttle program,
506
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we are a massively good
spacefaring nation.
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We, the US now, we're
fantastic, we are good now.
508
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We are excellent at the
space faring business.
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The difficulty of the
Shuttle made us good,
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but after that, the Space Station,
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was a massive strategic error.
512
00:26:18,539 --> 00:26:21,209
(ethereal music)
513
00:26:29,050 --> 00:26:31,010
[Announcer] Skylab was the
first test of our ability
514
00:26:31,302 --> 00:26:32,637
to endure weightlessness,
515
00:26:32,929 --> 00:26:35,014
and astronauts found that
they could effectively work,
516
00:26:35,306 --> 00:26:39,644
exercise, eat, and sleep
in their temporary home.
517
00:26:39,936 --> 00:26:41,437
More recently, the Space
Shuttle has allowed us
518
00:26:41,729 --> 00:26:45,233
to fly into orbit, conduct
our business, and return.
519
00:26:45,525 --> 00:26:46,943
In addition to providing a laboratory
520
00:26:47,235 --> 00:26:49,445
for carrying out
experiments in microgravity,
521
00:26:49,737 --> 00:26:51,155
the Shuttle has also benefited us
522
00:26:51,447 --> 00:26:53,032
commercially and scientifically
523
00:26:53,324 --> 00:26:57,161
through the deployment
and capture of satellites.
524
00:26:58,496 --> 00:27:01,165
But, the Shuttle was designed
with a larger goal in mind,
525
00:27:01,457 --> 00:27:03,167
to transport astronauts and materials
526
00:27:03,459 --> 00:27:07,380
to a proposed base, a
permanent manned Space Station.
527
00:27:09,841 --> 00:27:13,845
Space Station was NASA's
primary objective after Apollo.
528
00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:16,556
It's what NASA hoped to get approved
529
00:27:16,848 --> 00:27:20,351
was a 12 person Space
Station launched by Saturn V,
530
00:27:20,643 --> 00:27:24,564
and supplied by the Shuttle
in the '69-'70 period.
531
00:27:26,107 --> 00:27:29,360
The White House did not
approve that program,
532
00:27:29,652 --> 00:27:32,280
and instead we went ahead
with the Space Shuttle,
533
00:27:32,572 --> 00:27:33,906
but the shuttle was designed
534
00:27:34,198 --> 00:27:36,367
to launch modules of the Space Station.
535
00:27:36,659 --> 00:27:38,619
It was clear in 1971 or '72
536
00:27:39,996 --> 00:27:42,081
that once the shuttle started flying
537
00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:44,125
NASA would go back and ask approval
538
00:27:44,417 --> 00:27:45,418
to develop the Space Station.
539
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:46,252
[Mission Control] We have lift off.
540
00:27:46,544 --> 00:27:49,463
And indeed they did that 1983,
541
00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,465
and finally President Reagan
542
00:27:51,757 --> 00:27:53,593
announced approval of the Space Station
543
00:27:53,885 --> 00:27:57,263
in the State of the Union
Address in January of '84.
544
00:27:57,555 --> 00:27:59,473
Tonight I am directing NASA
545
00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,601
to develop a permanently
manned Space Station
546
00:28:01,893 --> 00:28:04,729
and to do it within a decade.
547
00:28:05,021 --> 00:28:06,606
Despite problems with recent missions,
548
00:28:06,898 --> 00:28:08,024
NASA is still pushing hard
549
00:28:08,316 --> 00:28:10,443
for a permanent Space Station someday.
550
00:28:10,735 --> 00:28:11,611
[Announcer] Many
scientists and politicians
551
00:28:11,903 --> 00:28:13,362
say it is not clear what purpose
552
00:28:13,654 --> 00:28:15,489
this Space Station is supposed to serve.
553
00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:16,991
We're doing it backwards.
554
00:28:17,283 --> 00:28:18,409
We're saying we're gonna have a station.
555
00:28:18,701 --> 00:28:20,786
And by the way, what can you
do with if you have a station?
556
00:28:21,078 --> 00:28:22,914
Yes it cost $100 billion.
557
00:28:23,206 --> 00:28:25,625
Yes it's a cooperative
effort of many nations,
558
00:28:25,917 --> 00:28:28,377
but a lot of the Space
Station I think was wasteful,
559
00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:31,339
because the science done
of the Space Station
560
00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:32,757
was actually minimal.
561
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:36,552
Skylab, '72 was a
massively successful station.
562
00:28:36,844 --> 00:28:38,596
It already had 200 experiments built in.
563
00:28:38,888 --> 00:28:40,473
All those things matured us,
564
00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:45,394
in terms of on orbit spaceops
and long term space flight.
565
00:28:45,686 --> 00:28:47,271
We already did that.
566
00:28:47,563 --> 00:28:49,941
See, I'm not criticizing Space Station.
567
00:28:50,233 --> 00:28:52,109
What I'm saying is,
what does Space Station
568
00:28:52,401 --> 00:28:54,278
do for the man on the street?
569
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:55,655
They don't know.
570
00:28:57,198 --> 00:28:58,950
Go out and ask them.
571
00:28:59,242 --> 00:29:00,534
I honestly don't know
572
00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:03,871
and they make no effort
to tell normal people,
573
00:29:04,163 --> 00:29:05,831
so I mean I don't actually,
574
00:29:06,123 --> 00:29:07,458
I don't know what's going on at all.
575
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:08,960
Yeah, I really don't
know what they're doing.
576
00:29:09,252 --> 00:29:10,586
They don't really say anything.
577
00:29:10,878 --> 00:29:12,880
All you hear is they bring
supplies back and forth,
578
00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:16,175
so I mean what is the object of it?
579
00:29:16,467 --> 00:29:19,178
I have no idea what they'd
be doing up there, honestly.
580
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:21,555
I don't pay that much attention
to this kind of stuff.
581
00:29:21,847 --> 00:29:22,515
[Reporter] Okay.
582
00:29:22,807 --> 00:29:25,017
Unfortunately, we don't know.
583
00:29:25,309 --> 00:29:26,310
[Woman] Not now, nope.
584
00:29:26,602 --> 00:29:30,064
If you have a program
which costs $150 billion,
585
00:29:30,356 --> 00:29:31,607
and you ask the person on the street
586
00:29:31,899 --> 00:29:34,819
what are you getting for
this and they don't know,
587
00:29:35,111 --> 00:29:37,154
you've missed the vision, sir.
588
00:29:37,446 --> 00:29:39,198
We actually didn't finish
building the Space Station
589
00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:43,202
until 2010, it was supposed
to be done in 1994.
590
00:29:43,494 --> 00:29:45,454
Well, it did in fact
basically suck the life
591
00:29:45,746 --> 00:29:48,082
out of the human spaceflight
program for 25 years,
592
00:29:48,374 --> 00:29:50,876
and so it was very hard to get approval
593
00:29:51,168 --> 00:29:55,381
for new things going forward,
not that people didn't try.
594
00:29:55,673 --> 00:29:57,383
We must commit ourselves anew
595
00:29:57,675 --> 00:30:00,678
to a sustained program
of manned exploration
596
00:30:00,970 --> 00:30:03,222
of the solar system, and yes,
597
00:30:03,514 --> 00:30:06,559
the permanent settlement of space.
598
00:30:06,851 --> 00:30:10,271
As George HW Bush came
into the White House,
599
00:30:10,563 --> 00:30:12,898
he indicated he wanted to do something
600
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:15,318
to revitalize the space program.
601
00:30:15,609 --> 00:30:19,864
And his advisers prepared
for him an announcement
602
00:30:20,156 --> 00:30:23,451
called the Space Exploration Initiative.
603
00:30:23,743 --> 00:30:25,953
Back to the moon, on to
Mars, this time to stay.
604
00:30:26,245 --> 00:30:27,705
Great stuff, but NASA came back
605
00:30:27,997 --> 00:30:29,999
with a program to do it in 30 years
606
00:30:30,291 --> 00:30:32,376
that involve building floating spaceports
607
00:30:32,668 --> 00:30:35,421
and giant interplanetary spaceships,
608
00:30:35,713 --> 00:30:38,424
and all kinds of things that
were never gonna happen.
609
00:30:38,716 --> 00:30:39,759
And of course, the architects are mad.
610
00:30:40,051 --> 00:30:41,510
You have to have a launch system
611
00:30:41,802 --> 00:30:43,220
and you have to have all the other pieces
612
00:30:43,512 --> 00:30:46,390
of what it would take
to do an entire mission
613
00:30:46,682 --> 00:30:50,019
to the surface of the
Moon and go on to Mars.
614
00:30:50,311 --> 00:30:52,480
Well, you total up all
those assets necessary
615
00:30:52,772 --> 00:30:56,692
over a 20 year period, and
the total was $500 billion.
616
00:30:58,527 --> 00:31:01,739
Well, that figure got leaked to the Hill,
617
00:31:02,031 --> 00:31:03,574
and the way the Hill looks at money is
618
00:31:03,866 --> 00:31:08,120
$500 billion dollars with a
B is in like today's money,
619
00:31:08,412 --> 00:31:09,705
And so, it was dead on arrival.
620
00:31:09,997 --> 00:31:12,416
They never even bothered to look at it.
621
00:31:12,708 --> 00:31:14,210
Let me introduce to you
622
00:31:14,502 --> 00:31:16,253
our speaker for this afternoon,
623
00:31:16,545 --> 00:31:19,715
Robert Zubrin from Martin Marietta Astro.
624
00:31:20,841 --> 00:31:23,469
He's a senior engineer there
625
00:31:23,761 --> 00:31:27,264
on the Moon and Mars
Initiative missions work
626
00:31:28,391 --> 00:31:30,101
that Martin Marretta is doing.
627
00:31:30,393 --> 00:31:31,685
Robert, come talk to us.
628
00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:32,978
(applauding)
629
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:37,441
Mars Direct is a plan
for sending humans to Mars
630
00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:39,443
with present day technology.
631
00:31:39,735 --> 00:31:41,237
It's a plan that could be implemented
632
00:31:41,529 --> 00:31:43,447
within eight years of program start.
633
00:31:43,739 --> 00:31:45,157
This was developed by myself
634
00:31:45,449 --> 00:31:47,326
and another engineer named David Baker
635
00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:48,285
while we were working
636
00:31:48,577 --> 00:31:52,498
at the Martin Marietta
Astronautics Company circa 1990.
637
00:31:53,958 --> 00:31:55,543
What Baker and I did was design a plan
638
00:31:55,835 --> 00:31:58,129
that would allow us to
do a human Mars Mission
639
00:31:58,421 --> 00:32:01,549
in just two launches of a
Saturn V heavy-lift booster,
640
00:32:01,841 --> 00:32:05,761
okay, like the one we used during Apollo.
641
00:32:06,053 --> 00:32:07,471
And before you know it
you've created the beginning
642
00:32:07,763 --> 00:32:09,682
of the first human
settlement on a new world.
643
00:32:09,974 --> 00:32:13,894
There's nothing in this that
is beyond our technology.
644
00:32:17,189 --> 00:32:20,192
Around that 1993, Mike
Griffin was appointed.
645
00:32:20,484 --> 00:32:22,945
Associate Administrator for Exploration,
646
00:32:23,237 --> 00:32:24,697
and he liked Mars Direct.
647
00:32:24,989 --> 00:32:26,699
He had us go back to Johnson Space Center
648
00:32:26,991 --> 00:32:29,076
and talk to them again with this time
649
00:32:29,368 --> 00:32:30,369
the people at headquarters telling you
650
00:32:30,661 --> 00:32:31,662
that they had to listen,
651
00:32:31,954 --> 00:32:32,496
and they listened,
652
00:32:32,788 --> 00:32:34,331
and they came up with a
variant of Mars Direct
653
00:32:34,623 --> 00:32:36,208
as their new Mars Mission plan.
654
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,043
And according to their analysis,
655
00:32:38,335 --> 00:32:40,629
it cut the cost of a human
Mars exploration program
656
00:32:40,921 --> 00:32:43,632
by a factor of eight, okay.
657
00:32:43,924 --> 00:32:46,010
Unfortunately by then,
Clinton was in office,
658
00:32:46,302 --> 00:32:50,681
and he wasn't interested, so
he told them to just shut up.
659
00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:53,767
You know, but the problem is,
660
00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:56,479
is that we've never had a
situation where both NASA
661
00:32:56,770 --> 00:32:59,106
and the administration were
on board at the same time,
662
00:32:59,398 --> 00:33:00,900
except during Apollo.
663
00:33:04,278 --> 00:33:05,488
My name is Michelle Stellhorn.
664
00:33:05,779 --> 00:33:08,115
I am a teacher in the
Gifted Education program
665
00:33:08,407 --> 00:33:09,867
of the Rockwood School District,
666
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:12,912
and I teach a unit called Mission to Mars.
667
00:33:13,204 --> 00:33:15,456
And we cover the
Congressional space debate
668
00:33:15,748 --> 00:33:19,335
and the importance and
future of space exploration.
669
00:33:19,627 --> 00:33:22,254
[Interviewer] Do you
wanna be an astronaut?
670
00:33:22,546 --> 00:33:25,299
No, because I like Earth,
and I want to stay on it,
671
00:33:25,591 --> 00:33:29,512
but I think that space
exploration is really cool.
672
00:33:30,888 --> 00:33:32,640
It's too expensive.
673
00:33:32,932 --> 00:33:37,269
We have national debt and
we have the job deficit.
674
00:33:37,561 --> 00:33:39,230
[Interviewer] Do you think
that we should be spending
675
00:33:39,522 --> 00:33:42,858
more money and effort
in space exploration?
676
00:33:43,901 --> 00:33:45,152
Well, I think,
677
00:33:46,862 --> 00:33:47,947
I personally think we should,
678
00:33:48,239 --> 00:33:50,533
but I think that since
there's so many people
679
00:33:50,824 --> 00:33:52,243
around the world who are struggling
680
00:33:52,535 --> 00:33:53,619
to just put food on the table,
681
00:33:53,911 --> 00:33:55,788
I don't see how we can.
682
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,208
I mean, we could, but there's
so many other problems
683
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:03,128
that are major focuses that
the government should be study,
684
00:34:03,420 --> 00:34:04,797
that should be working.
685
00:34:05,089 --> 00:34:08,050
We need to get our
national debt paid off
686
00:34:08,342 --> 00:34:11,595
before we can go and play around in space.
687
00:34:11,887 --> 00:34:14,974
[Interviewer] If given the
opportunity if somebody said
688
00:34:15,266 --> 00:34:18,310
do you wanna go to space, would you go?
689
00:34:19,728 --> 00:34:23,566
Me, I think that depends
how much they pay me.
690
00:34:25,734 --> 00:34:28,195
Don't wanna be an astronaut,
what are they gonna fly?
691
00:34:28,487 --> 00:34:30,322
There's nothing to fly.
692
00:34:30,614 --> 00:34:32,866
There is no Mars program.
693
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:35,452
There is no astronaut program.
694
00:34:35,744 --> 00:34:37,329
There's casual talk about it.
695
00:34:37,621 --> 00:34:39,248
I know what a program is.
696
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:41,667
I know when a man says
you're going to the Moon,
697
00:34:41,959 --> 00:34:43,627
you're coming home eight years from now,
698
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,588
I know what that means.
699
00:34:48,048 --> 00:34:49,925
[Rob Navias] The Space
Shuttle pulls into port
700
00:34:50,217 --> 00:34:53,804
for the last time, its voyage at and end.
701
00:34:54,096 --> 00:34:57,600
(tires and brakes screaming)
702
00:34:59,351 --> 00:35:01,478
You know, there's a lot
of people that think that
703
00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:03,188
the end of the Shuttle program
704
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,900
was the end of America
going out into space.
705
00:35:09,153 --> 00:35:11,405
It's absurd, it's ridiculous.
706
00:35:12,656 --> 00:35:15,993
Flying Shuttle in circles around
the Earth is not exploring.
707
00:35:16,285 --> 00:35:19,705
It's not pushing forward
the human frontier.
708
00:35:20,706 --> 00:35:22,708
You're simply making work.
709
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,045
You're simply funneling taxpayer money
710
00:35:26,337 --> 00:35:27,671
into certain people's pockets
711
00:35:27,963 --> 00:35:30,132
who are working in different areas,
712
00:35:30,424 --> 00:35:32,968
politicians, aerospace companies,
713
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:35,220
people who runs space centers.
714
00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:38,265
That's not what this should be about
715
00:35:40,017 --> 00:35:44,021
but that's what it's become
because there's no leadership,
716
00:35:45,022 --> 00:35:47,358
because there's no vision.
717
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:50,069
(ominous music)
718
00:35:50,361 --> 00:35:53,030
(garbled speaking)
719
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:55,991
[Charlie Hobaugh] And Columbia, Houston,
720
00:35:56,283 --> 00:35:57,493
we see you tire pressure messages,
721
00:35:57,785 --> 00:36:00,371
and we did not copy your last.
722
00:36:00,663 --> 00:36:02,998
(radio static)
723
00:36:10,172 --> 00:36:12,508
Columbia, Houston, comm check.
724
00:36:15,052 --> 00:36:17,721
Columbia, Houston, UHF comm check.
725
00:36:19,598 --> 00:36:22,267
Columbia, Houston, UHF comm check.
726
00:36:23,769 --> 00:36:28,357
February 1st, 2003,
Columbia reenters tragically
727
00:36:28,649 --> 00:36:30,984
and breaks up over Texas.
728
00:36:31,276 --> 00:36:35,948
The notion that we could
continue flying the Shuttle
729
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,367
for a long time went away.
730
00:36:38,659 --> 00:36:40,994
(somber music)
731
00:36:48,502 --> 00:36:51,630
The commission that
investigated that accident said,
732
00:36:51,922 --> 00:36:54,508
if you're going to be risking human lives,
733
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,511
you really need to explain what it is
734
00:36:57,803 --> 00:37:01,014
that you're trying to
accomplish in human spaceflight.
735
00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:04,560
Consistent with safety
concerns and the recommendations
736
00:37:04,852 --> 00:37:08,897
of the Columbia Accident
Investigation Board,
737
00:37:09,189 --> 00:37:11,734
the Shuttle's chief purpose
of the next several years
738
00:37:12,025 --> 00:37:13,610
will be to help finish assembly
739
00:37:13,902 --> 00:37:16,572
of the International Space Station.
740
00:37:17,698 --> 00:37:19,700
In 2010 the Space Shuttle,
741
00:37:21,577 --> 00:37:25,581
after nearly 30 years of duty
will be retired from service.
742
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:28,625
The first Shuttle
tragedy made everybody stop
743
00:37:28,917 --> 00:37:31,754
and think exactly what it was
we were using the Shuttle for,
744
00:37:32,045 --> 00:37:34,590
and did you really need
to have humans aboard,
745
00:37:34,882 --> 00:37:37,050
in a spacecraft in order
to launch satellites,
746
00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,928
and the second tragedy, Columbia,
747
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:41,764
really brought it down to a real focus on
748
00:37:42,055 --> 00:37:45,100
well, why are you doing
human spaceflight at all?
749
00:37:45,392 --> 00:37:46,894
Using the crew exploration vehicle,
750
00:37:47,186 --> 00:37:49,980
we will undertake extended
human missions to the Moon
751
00:37:50,272 --> 00:37:52,107
as early as 2015,
752
00:37:52,399 --> 00:37:55,736
with the goal of living and working there
753
00:37:56,028 --> 00:37:59,239
for increasingly extended periods of time.
754
00:38:00,532 --> 00:38:01,950
See, I was there,
755
00:38:02,951 --> 00:38:06,622
I was literally in the room
when President Bush announced
756
00:38:06,914 --> 00:38:09,041
we were gonna go back to
the Moon and on to Mars.
757
00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:10,542
And I'm a Texan, I was close enough
758
00:38:10,834 --> 00:38:11,919
to where I could look at him.
759
00:38:12,211 --> 00:38:15,631
We're fairly good at
spotting BS in each other,
760
00:38:15,923 --> 00:38:17,758
and I think he really meant it.
761
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:20,677
[James] President
Bush to his credit said,
762
00:38:20,969 --> 00:38:22,763
you know we're not gonna
just do this anymore,
763
00:38:23,055 --> 00:38:24,640
we're gonna do something different,
764
00:38:24,932 --> 00:38:28,018
and we should go back
and we should explore.
765
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:30,103
A powerful argument was made
766
00:38:30,395 --> 00:38:31,980
that what needed to happen
767
00:38:32,272 --> 00:38:35,234
was we needed to start making economic use
768
00:38:35,526 --> 00:38:37,945
of all of the things that we had found
769
00:38:38,237 --> 00:38:41,406
by all this taxpayer-funded
space exploration.
770
00:38:41,698 --> 00:38:43,951
If we want to start
going back to the Moon,
771
00:38:44,243 --> 00:38:47,496
but this time for
economically useful purposes,
772
00:38:47,788 --> 00:38:49,748
how would we do that?
773
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,835
And they came up with some
really interesting ideas,
774
00:38:53,126 --> 00:38:54,837
all of which were affordable,
775
00:38:55,128 --> 00:38:56,630
all of which were executable,
776
00:38:56,922 --> 00:38:58,590
all of which were quite reasonable
777
00:38:58,882 --> 00:39:01,385
paths that we could have gone forward,
778
00:39:01,677 --> 00:39:04,388
none of which looked like Apollo.
779
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,266
And then he hired a
new NASA administrator,
780
00:39:07,558 --> 00:39:09,810
who said he was absolutely dedicated
781
00:39:10,102 --> 00:39:13,063
to carrying out the president's vision,
782
00:39:13,355 --> 00:39:16,275
and that was Dr. Michael Griffin.
783
00:39:16,567 --> 00:39:18,360
And Griffin came in and said
784
00:39:18,652 --> 00:39:20,779
I know how I'm going to do this.
785
00:39:21,071 --> 00:39:22,030
And he had a plan.
786
00:39:22,322 --> 00:39:25,826
He had a way of getting
America back to the Moon
787
00:39:26,118 --> 00:39:27,661
and then on to Mars.
788
00:39:27,953 --> 00:39:29,121
It is very Apollo-like.
789
00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:31,164
It may have a different
shaped heat shield.
790
00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:33,625
It may have a different
surface contact system,
791
00:39:33,917 --> 00:39:36,962
but the outer mold line is very
Apollo-like, except larger.
792
00:39:37,254 --> 00:39:39,631
Think of it as Apollo on steroids.
793
00:39:39,923 --> 00:39:42,175
Everything was tanked.
794
00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:44,469
All of the ideas were dropped and ditched,
795
00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:49,016
because Mike Griffin had his
own plan for das program.
796
00:39:49,308 --> 00:39:51,810
(ethereal music)
797
00:39:53,312 --> 00:39:55,898
[Narrator] NASA's new program
for human space exploration
798
00:39:56,189 --> 00:39:58,442
is called Constellation.
799
00:39:58,734 --> 00:40:00,819
For the first time in a generation
800
00:40:01,111 --> 00:40:03,697
we will be traveling
beyond low-Earth orbit,
801
00:40:03,989 --> 00:40:05,407
returning to the Moon
802
00:40:05,699 --> 00:40:08,535
and expanding human presence to Mars.
803
00:40:10,579 --> 00:40:13,498
Exploration must be taken in steps.
804
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:15,959
Because we learn from every journey,
805
00:40:16,251 --> 00:40:19,546
there is a link between every place we go.
806
00:40:19,838 --> 00:40:22,382
(dramatic music)
807
00:40:31,767 --> 00:40:34,770
Very quickly the Bush Administration
808
00:40:35,062 --> 00:40:37,981
started to cut back on some of NASA's
809
00:40:39,232 --> 00:40:41,443
hoped for budget increases.
810
00:40:41,735 --> 00:40:43,612
That brought you to the
Obama Administration
811
00:40:43,904 --> 00:40:45,072
in which they said...
812
00:40:45,364 --> 00:40:47,282
I understand that some
believe that we should attempt
813
00:40:47,574 --> 00:40:51,119
a return to the surface of the Moon first
814
00:40:51,411 --> 00:40:53,580
as previously planned,
815
00:40:53,872 --> 00:40:57,209
but I just have to say
pretty bluntly here,
816
00:40:58,919 --> 00:41:00,712
we've been there before.
817
00:41:01,004 --> 00:41:02,839
Will American astronauts
return to the Moon
818
00:41:03,131 --> 00:41:04,633
in the foreseeable future?
819
00:41:04,925 --> 00:41:05,676
NBC News has learned
820
00:41:05,968 --> 00:41:07,594
that plans to travel there and beyond
821
00:41:07,886 --> 00:41:09,137
may in fact be scrubbed.
822
00:41:09,429 --> 00:41:12,057
The White House was
willing to support the vision
823
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:14,059
of returning to the Moon by 2020,
824
00:41:14,351 --> 00:41:16,937
and going on to Mars verbally,
825
00:41:17,229 --> 00:41:20,774
but not when it came down
to the nation's pocket book.
826
00:41:21,066 --> 00:41:23,402
It had been known from the start
827
00:41:23,694 --> 00:41:26,071
that the Constellation
could not be executed
828
00:41:26,363 --> 00:41:28,657
on anything like NASA's current budget.
829
00:41:28,949 --> 00:41:31,618
The assumption was made that NASA
830
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:34,413
would receive a very
substantial budget increase
831
00:41:34,705 --> 00:41:37,374
in order to do something
like Constellation.
832
00:41:37,666 --> 00:41:39,501
[Marcia] When President
Obama came into office,
833
00:41:39,793 --> 00:41:41,044
he set up this committee
834
00:41:41,336 --> 00:41:43,255
to take a look at the
Constellation program
835
00:41:43,547 --> 00:41:45,549
and that committee
determined that technically
836
00:41:45,841 --> 00:41:48,093
the Constellation program
was doing quite well,
837
00:41:48,385 --> 00:41:50,387
but that there wasn't enough money.
838
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,306
The budget for that
program had been reduced
839
00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:56,393
substantially every single
year since it started,
840
00:41:56,685 --> 00:42:01,064
and as a result, our look
at the Constellation program
841
00:42:01,356 --> 00:42:05,277
that we were then pursuing was
that it was not executable.
842
00:42:06,737 --> 00:42:09,072
The program was on a trajectory to fail.
843
00:42:09,364 --> 00:42:13,201
We did recommend that either
NASA's budget be increased,
844
00:42:13,493 --> 00:42:14,870
rather substantially,
845
00:42:15,162 --> 00:42:17,164
or that they should be
given some other mission
846
00:42:17,456 --> 00:42:19,666
that they can do within
their current budget.
847
00:42:19,958 --> 00:42:24,129
Everyone agrees that
there's a $3 billion shortfall
848
00:42:24,421 --> 00:42:28,008
in what we need to accomplish our goals.
849
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:32,220
Of what you have suggested as
alternatives, other options,
850
00:42:34,347 --> 00:42:38,351
are any of those accomplishable
without that shortfall?
851
00:42:41,021 --> 00:42:43,190
[Man] Do you wanna deal with that?
852
00:42:43,482 --> 00:42:44,024
[Man] No.
853
00:42:44,316 --> 00:42:45,442
Okay, there you go.
854
00:42:45,734 --> 00:42:46,943
The White House was
not willing to invest
855
00:42:47,235 --> 00:42:47,903
that kind of money in it.
856
00:42:48,195 --> 00:42:50,405
Congress was not willing to
invest that kind of money in it,
857
00:42:50,697 --> 00:42:53,075
so the Constellation
program was cancelled.
858
00:42:53,366 --> 00:42:57,287
The reason we were unable
to sustain humanity in space
859
00:42:58,663 --> 00:43:00,499
or on the Moon after Apollo,
860
00:43:00,791 --> 00:43:04,044
was there was no decision to do so,
861
00:43:04,336 --> 00:43:08,423
and there was no technology
that was designed
862
00:43:08,715 --> 00:43:13,261
to allow us to do so because
the decision was not there.
863
00:43:13,553 --> 00:43:15,847
Interestingly, in the
Constellation program
864
00:43:16,139 --> 00:43:20,060
and under President Bush, he
said, we're going to establish
865
00:43:21,645 --> 00:43:24,314
human permanence beyond the Earth.
866
00:43:25,732 --> 00:43:28,652
Unfortunately, the people in charge
867
00:43:28,944 --> 00:43:31,947
were unable to understand what that meant,
868
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,033
and instead redesigned a bigger,
869
00:43:35,325 --> 00:43:38,703
badder version of the Apollo program.
870
00:43:38,995 --> 00:43:42,415
It was doomed to failure
from the beginning.
871
00:43:44,543 --> 00:43:47,879
(upbeat electronic music)
872
00:43:50,632 --> 00:43:52,259
[Narrator] September of 2011,
873
00:43:52,551 --> 00:43:55,929
NASA proposes a new capability
for human exploration,
874
00:43:56,221 --> 00:43:58,932
a massive rocket, the largest ever built,
875
00:43:59,224 --> 00:44:02,811
for a variety of missions
beyond low-Earth orbit.
876
00:44:03,103 --> 00:44:04,771
When President Obama announced
877
00:44:05,063 --> 00:44:06,731
that he was canceling Constellation,
878
00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:10,777
what he wanted to do
was to wait five years
879
00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:14,072
and invest in game changing technologies,
880
00:44:14,364 --> 00:44:16,241
and after that period of time
881
00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:18,326
a decision would be made
as to what new rockets
882
00:44:18,618 --> 00:44:19,703
or spacecraft were needed
883
00:44:19,995 --> 00:44:21,163
to go wherever it is the nation
884
00:44:21,454 --> 00:44:23,582
was gonna go next in human spaceflight.
885
00:44:23,874 --> 00:44:25,417
And that presupposed in five years
886
00:44:25,709 --> 00:44:27,419
you could do something that essentially
887
00:44:27,711 --> 00:44:29,921
obsoletes chemical propulsion.
888
00:44:30,213 --> 00:44:32,924
We will increase investment right away
889
00:44:33,216 --> 00:44:34,926
in other groundbreaking technologies
890
00:44:35,218 --> 00:44:36,428
that will allow astronauts
891
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,889
to reach space sooner and more often.
892
00:44:39,181 --> 00:44:40,515
Well there was nothing in the pipeline
893
00:44:40,807 --> 00:44:42,100
at all that would do that.
894
00:44:42,392 --> 00:44:44,603
I mean there was discussion
of what might be.
895
00:44:44,895 --> 00:44:47,606
There was some hypotheses
of what could be done,
896
00:44:47,898 --> 00:44:49,107
but now we're five years later
897
00:44:49,399 --> 00:44:50,901
and there really was
nothing in the pipeline
898
00:44:51,193 --> 00:44:52,861
that was even remotely mature enough.
899
00:44:53,153 --> 00:44:54,613
And Congress hated that idea.
900
00:44:54,905 --> 00:44:57,616
Congress felt it was really
important to have a destination
901
00:44:57,908 --> 00:45:00,535
and a time frame within which to meet
902
00:45:00,827 --> 00:45:04,122
specific visionary goals
for human spaceflight
903
00:45:04,414 --> 00:45:06,583
and so Congress wrote into law
904
00:45:06,875 --> 00:45:09,794
directing NASA to build a new big rocket,
905
00:45:10,086 --> 00:45:11,963
which they called the Space Launch System,
906
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:15,008
and to build a multi-purpose crew vehicle,
907
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:16,968
which we know as Orion,
908
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:19,346
in order to provide the capabilities
909
00:45:19,638 --> 00:45:23,892
to keep a vigorous human
spaceflight program going.
910
00:45:24,184 --> 00:45:26,228
So Constellation was cancelled
911
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:28,897
but Congress promptly reinstated
912
00:45:29,189 --> 00:45:33,610
the all the expensive parts
of it under new names,
913
00:45:33,902 --> 00:45:36,112
but did not give NASA the budget increase
914
00:45:36,404 --> 00:45:38,657
that would be necessary
to fly missions with them.
915
00:45:38,949 --> 00:45:39,824
Do you know what the budget
916
00:45:40,116 --> 00:45:42,661
for the SLS Launch System is?
917
00:45:42,953 --> 00:45:43,620
Uh, I...
918
00:45:43,912 --> 00:45:46,748
We don't know, so you don't
know either, quite frankly.
919
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,291
That was a leading question.
Alright.
920
00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:50,168
And if that money was gonna be taken
921
00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:53,755
out of your budget to develop
the SLS Launch System,
922
00:45:54,047 --> 00:45:55,840
rather than go with the launch systems
923
00:45:56,132 --> 00:46:00,178
that we've already got, would
you be supportive of that?
924
00:46:00,470 --> 00:46:02,013
- No.
- Right.
925
00:46:02,305 --> 00:46:03,932
We really don't have a lot of momentum
926
00:46:04,224 --> 00:46:05,392
and a lot of vision on what.
927
00:46:05,684 --> 00:46:07,352
Space Launch System is gonna do.
928
00:46:07,644 --> 00:46:09,813
It's been pegged the rocket to nowhere.
929
00:46:10,105 --> 00:46:12,232
When they finally get it upgraded
930
00:46:12,524 --> 00:46:15,443
to 130 metric tons, which may be 2025,
931
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:21,116
it will be equivalent and
almost equal to a Saturn V,
932
00:46:21,408 --> 00:46:24,536
which we will have have 60 years earlier.
933
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:28,248
We're talking about
after proving one flight,
934
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:31,459
that we might do an orbit around the Moon
935
00:46:31,751 --> 00:46:32,836
called Apollo 8.
936
00:46:35,463 --> 00:46:36,923
You're keeping a space station alive,
937
00:46:37,215 --> 00:46:38,842
you're supporting the
various NASA centers,
938
00:46:39,134 --> 00:46:40,927
you got two piece of
hardware you're developing,
939
00:46:41,219 --> 00:46:42,595
but they have no destination
940
00:46:42,887 --> 00:46:46,933
and they're like what we did 60 years ago.
941
00:46:47,225 --> 00:46:49,269
I always call it a rocket to anywhere
942
00:46:49,561 --> 00:46:51,855
because it's just like the shuttle.
943
00:46:52,147 --> 00:46:53,898
When the shuttle was designed,
944
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:57,986
it was designed to be a
shuttle of capability.
945
00:46:58,278 --> 00:47:00,655
It didn't have payloads identified.
946
00:47:00,947 --> 00:47:03,616
All those missions were nonexistent
947
00:47:04,701 --> 00:47:07,370
on the day the first shuttle flew.
948
00:47:08,663 --> 00:47:10,582
If space is a frontier
949
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,669
and I shall hereby declare it to be so,
950
00:47:14,961 --> 00:47:17,756
and your goal is to settle the frontier,
951
00:47:18,048 --> 00:47:21,051
in other words, for people to live there
952
00:47:21,343 --> 00:47:25,096
like they do here in what
used to be a frontier,
953
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:29,309
then you have to create
954
00:47:29,601 --> 00:47:31,519
a means for that to occur.
955
00:47:33,313 --> 00:47:36,232
No frontier has never been opened
956
00:47:36,524 --> 00:47:38,943
based on the development and operation
957
00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:42,072
of a single giant government vehicle.
958
00:47:44,616 --> 00:47:46,409
They can launch two to three,
959
00:47:46,701 --> 00:47:50,789
at least two and potentially
three SOS's per year.
960
00:47:51,081 --> 00:47:53,625
They can build that many and
they can launch that many.
961
00:47:53,917 --> 00:47:56,086
That's the way the design
of the infrastructure
962
00:47:56,378 --> 00:48:00,048
and the vehicle and the
assembly plant is set up to do,
963
00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:03,051
but they need more funding.
964
00:48:03,343 --> 00:48:04,761
To date, unfortunately,
965
00:48:05,053 --> 00:48:06,262
the budget has not been preached,
966
00:48:06,554 --> 00:48:08,348
and that's a major concern.
967
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,809
It's been a major concern since day one
968
00:48:11,101 --> 00:48:14,479
and if there's anything
our commission emphasized,
969
00:48:14,771 --> 00:48:17,565
it was that we have to have a budget
970
00:48:17,857 --> 00:48:21,152
and a space program that are
consistent with each other
971
00:48:21,444 --> 00:48:24,364
and unfortunately, throughout the human
972
00:48:24,656 --> 00:48:28,076
space flight history,
for a couple of decades,
973
00:48:28,368 --> 00:48:30,328
that's not been the case.
974
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:32,831
Tonight, NASA announced further cuts
975
00:48:33,123 --> 00:48:34,791
have been ordered in its new budget
976
00:48:35,083 --> 00:48:36,251
and one effect will be a delay
977
00:48:36,543 --> 00:48:38,336
in the timetable for the space shuttle.
978
00:48:38,628 --> 00:48:41,131
50,000 employees are
not looking forward.
979
00:48:41,423 --> 00:48:43,049
They're looking elsewhere.
980
00:48:43,341 --> 00:48:45,552
If this country really
needs another expensive
981
00:48:45,844 --> 00:48:47,554
piece of hardware in orbit,
982
00:48:47,846 --> 00:48:48,805
when here on the ground,
983
00:48:49,097 --> 00:48:50,515
we can hardly get the mail delivered.
984
00:48:50,807 --> 00:48:52,225
[Reporter] Congress
cut the shuttle's budget
985
00:48:52,517 --> 00:48:53,601
by $234 million.
986
00:48:55,478 --> 00:48:57,313
Already there have been some cutbacks
987
00:48:57,605 --> 00:48:58,857
and there could be others.
988
00:48:59,149 --> 00:49:00,733
It is, without question,
989
00:49:01,025 --> 00:49:02,193
the biggest waste of money I've seen
990
00:49:02,485 --> 00:49:04,028
since I've been on the
United State Senate.
991
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,489
Today, President Clinton
put in his latest bid.
992
00:49:06,781 --> 00:49:09,117
He outlined $13 billion in savings
993
00:49:09,409 --> 00:49:10,994
at four federal agencies,
994
00:49:11,286 --> 00:49:13,204
more than half the cuts at NASA.
995
00:49:13,496 --> 00:49:14,747
The bailout, the bank bailout,
996
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:16,708
that sum of money is greater
997
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,670
than the entire 50 year
running budget of NASA.
998
00:49:20,962 --> 00:49:21,504
[Woman] Wow.
999
00:49:21,796 --> 00:49:22,547
I think we have to be realistic
1000
00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:23,882
when it comes to the budget.
1001
00:49:24,174 --> 00:49:26,134
If we need additional funds
for a heavy lift rocket,
1002
00:49:26,426 --> 00:49:27,969
we're going to have to set priorities
1003
00:49:28,261 --> 00:49:30,221
and have to shift funds from
other parts of the program.
1004
00:49:30,513 --> 00:49:34,392
I don't think that NASA
or our space program
1005
00:49:34,684 --> 00:49:37,770
is somehow going to defy budget gravity
1006
00:49:38,062 --> 00:49:40,565
and be the only agency to get an increase
1007
00:49:40,857 --> 00:49:43,276
when every other agency is
either gonna be flatlined
1008
00:49:43,568 --> 00:49:46,321
or be subject to the
budgetary constraints.
1009
00:49:46,613 --> 00:49:48,448
So I think we're just
gonna have to be smarter.
1010
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:50,200
We're going to have to make sure
1011
00:49:50,492 --> 00:49:52,035
we don't have cost overruns
1012
00:49:52,327 --> 00:49:53,828
and we're gonna have to set priorities
1013
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,663
and use the money that we do have better
1014
00:49:55,955 --> 00:49:57,165
and then we can get the funds,
1015
00:49:57,457 --> 00:49:58,708
say for a heavy lift rocket.
1016
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,335
If we started today,
1017
00:50:00,627 --> 00:50:02,879
how long do each of you
estimate it would be
1018
00:50:03,171 --> 00:50:06,591
before we could place a person on Mars?
1019
00:50:06,883 --> 00:50:08,843
With the current budget?
(polite laughter)
1020
00:50:09,135 --> 00:50:11,137
[Mr. Posey] Just give me a
date with the current budget
1021
00:50:11,429 --> 00:50:13,473
and a date with the Palo era budget.
1022
00:50:13,765 --> 00:50:15,225
(comical music)
1023
00:50:15,517 --> 00:50:17,519
With the current budget, bear with me,
1024
00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:19,145
I would probably say never.
1025
00:50:19,437 --> 00:50:20,188
Hey,
1026
00:50:21,606 --> 00:50:22,440
China.
1027
00:50:23,691 --> 00:50:25,610
Can we borrow some money
to finish our Mars trip?
1028
00:50:25,902 --> 00:50:28,613
(audience laughing)
1029
00:50:29,906 --> 00:50:31,908
You know, with
Constellation, Mike Griffin,
1030
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,451
and now people with the SLS,
1031
00:50:33,743 --> 00:50:36,579
just assume that if we develop the SLS,
1032
00:50:36,871 --> 00:50:38,289
it will fly forever.
1033
00:50:39,791 --> 00:50:41,292
We had the Saturn V.
1034
00:50:43,419 --> 00:50:44,254
It worked.
1035
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:48,716
It was flying humans to the moon
1036
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:51,678
and we canceled it.
1037
00:50:54,264 --> 00:50:56,933
(dramatic music)
1038
00:50:59,394 --> 00:51:01,521
When did we last leave low-Earth orbit,
1039
00:51:01,813 --> 00:51:02,814
you know, a couple hundred miles up
1040
00:51:03,106 --> 00:51:07,277
where the Space Station
Space Shuttle orbit,
1041
00:51:07,569 --> 00:51:09,279
to go somewhere interesting with humans?
1042
00:51:09,571 --> 00:51:10,113
When did we last do it?
1043
00:51:10,405 --> 00:51:11,489
1972, Apollo 17.
1044
00:51:12,782 --> 00:51:14,993
It's been more than four decades
1045
00:51:15,285 --> 00:51:19,372
since we've left Earth
for another destination.
1046
00:51:19,664 --> 00:51:20,999
What's the problem?
1047
00:51:21,291 --> 00:51:22,500
What are we missing?
1048
00:51:22,792 --> 00:51:23,543
Is it political will?
1049
00:51:23,835 --> 00:51:24,377
Is it motivation?
1050
00:51:24,669 --> 00:51:25,211
Is it money?
1051
00:51:25,503 --> 00:51:27,422
Is it, are we distracted?
1052
00:51:27,714 --> 00:51:29,340
Are there other issues?
1053
00:51:30,758 --> 00:51:32,594
We went to the moon
1054
00:51:32,885 --> 00:51:33,720
in the 1960s!
1055
00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:39,642
What, we didn't have
problems in the 1960s?
1056
00:51:39,934 --> 00:51:42,687
(upbeat rock music)
1057
00:52:03,041 --> 00:52:05,043
We were at a hot war in Southeast Asia,
1058
00:52:05,335 --> 00:52:07,462
a cold war with the Soviet Union,
1059
00:52:07,754 --> 00:52:10,214
the Civil Rights Movement
was fully under way,
1060
00:52:10,506 --> 00:52:11,841
there was campus unrest,
1061
00:52:12,133 --> 00:52:15,720
there were riots in the urban centers.
1062
00:52:16,012 --> 00:52:18,222
Shall be the policy of this nation
1063
00:52:18,514 --> 00:52:20,391
to regard any nuclear missile
1064
00:52:20,683 --> 00:52:22,644
launched from Cuba against any nation
1065
00:52:22,935 --> 00:52:24,479
in the Western Hemisphere
1066
00:52:24,771 --> 00:52:28,191
as an attack by the Soviet
Union on the United States.
1067
00:52:28,483 --> 00:52:30,318
We had the greatest
problem the country has seen
1068
00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:32,612
since the Civil War
1069
00:52:32,904 --> 00:52:35,073
and in that climate, on that landscape,
1070
00:52:35,365 --> 00:52:36,407
we went to the Moon.
1071
00:52:36,699 --> 00:52:37,700
So don't turn around and tell me
1072
00:52:37,992 --> 00:52:38,868
that these past four decades
1073
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,745
we've had challenges we couldn't overcome.
1074
00:52:41,037 --> 00:52:42,747
That's why we're not going into space.
1075
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,208
No, that's not the reason
we're not going into space.
1076
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:49,379
(loud explosions) (rock music)
1077
00:52:57,136 --> 00:53:01,140
It is the most natural
question in the world to say,
1078
00:53:02,266 --> 00:53:04,811
you know, if you're a young
person in this country,
1079
00:53:05,103 --> 00:53:07,772
wait a second, we were on the Moon?
1080
00:53:08,773 --> 00:53:11,067
American citizens were walking around,
1081
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,111
jumping around on the moon?
1082
00:53:13,403 --> 00:53:16,698
They were driving a golf cart on the moon?
1083
00:53:16,989 --> 00:53:19,492
They brought back hundreds of pounds
1084
00:53:19,784 --> 00:53:21,994
of specially selected rock samples
1085
00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:26,624
to see what the geological
history of the Moon was
1086
00:53:26,916 --> 00:53:28,000
and you stopped?
1087
00:53:29,419 --> 00:53:30,670
Why did you stop?
1088
00:53:32,171 --> 00:53:34,215
Are you people nuts?
1089
00:53:34,507 --> 00:53:35,883
My read of history tells me there's only
1090
00:53:36,175 --> 00:53:37,802
two maybe three motivations
1091
00:53:38,094 --> 00:53:39,595
for ever doing something so grand
1092
00:53:39,887 --> 00:53:41,556
and one of them is war.
1093
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:44,809
The other is money.
1094
00:53:45,101 --> 00:53:46,811
Let's do it for money.
1095
00:53:47,103 --> 00:53:48,855
If you can do it for money, it'll happen.
1096
00:53:49,147 --> 00:53:52,191
I've never seen anyone do it to explore.
1097
00:53:53,526 --> 00:53:56,362
There is a growing
tendency to think of man
1098
00:53:56,654 --> 00:54:00,616
as a rational thinking
being, which is absurd.
1099
00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:03,244
There is simply no evidence
of any intelligence
1100
00:54:03,536 --> 00:54:04,537
on the Earth.
1101
00:54:04,829 --> 00:54:05,580
Mmhmm, wait!
1102
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:10,710
(rocket engine roaring)
1103
00:54:21,304 --> 00:54:24,891
Why did we stop
producing Saturn V rockets?
1104
00:54:27,643 --> 00:54:30,772
It's one of the great mysteries to me.
1105
00:54:31,063 --> 00:54:33,983
The Saturn V rocket can put more mass
1106
00:54:34,984 --> 00:54:37,987
into low-Earth orbit than our shuttle.
1107
00:54:40,281 --> 00:54:43,034
It had been a natural to help build
1108
00:54:43,326 --> 00:54:45,203
the International Space Station.
1109
00:54:45,495 --> 00:54:48,122
(inspiring music)
1110
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:52,210
The Saturn V was a really unique rocket
1111
00:54:52,502 --> 00:54:54,212
in the sense that it was really
1112
00:54:54,504 --> 00:54:57,548
the first rocket designed for exploration.
1113
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,009
The Mercury Project's
launched on a red stone,
1114
00:55:00,301 --> 00:55:02,053
which was an intermediate-range
ballistic missile.
1115
00:55:02,345 --> 00:55:03,221
It was modified.
1116
00:55:03,513 --> 00:55:05,097
Then the Gemini went up on a Titan,
1117
00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:06,557
which was an ICBM.
1118
00:55:06,849 --> 00:55:09,644
So, the Saturn program was
really the first rocket
1119
00:55:09,936 --> 00:55:11,020
that was never designed
1120
00:55:11,312 --> 00:55:12,897
to be launching missiles on other people.
1121
00:55:13,189 --> 00:55:14,941
It was actually the first
one that was designed
1122
00:55:15,233 --> 00:55:17,902
to launch people to new destinations.
1123
00:55:18,194 --> 00:55:20,613
So the Saturn V was a leap beyond anything
1124
00:55:20,905 --> 00:55:23,574
that had been seen before.
1125
00:55:23,866 --> 00:55:27,161
It had five million and a
half pound thrust engines
1126
00:55:27,453 --> 00:55:28,913
on just the first stage.
1127
00:55:29,205 --> 00:55:30,581
The second stage had five
1128
00:55:30,873 --> 00:55:33,334
quarter million pound thrust
hydrogen engines on it,
1129
00:55:33,626 --> 00:55:35,002
and had a third stage with another
1130
00:55:35,294 --> 00:55:36,462
quarter million pound thrust.
1131
00:55:36,754 --> 00:55:37,755
It was a massive rocket.
1132
00:55:38,047 --> 00:55:40,258
It was something that had
never been done before
1133
00:55:40,550 --> 00:55:42,260
and it worked very well
1134
00:55:42,552 --> 00:55:44,178
and it was able to do things
1135
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:46,222
that nothing could have been able to do
1136
00:55:46,514 --> 00:55:48,808
and nothing can do today.
1137
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:52,186
(rocket engine roaring)
1138
00:55:58,442 --> 00:56:00,528
We have a tendency in this country,
1139
00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:03,281
like The Tortoise and the Hare.
1140
00:56:03,573 --> 00:56:04,740
We are the Hare.
1141
00:56:05,032 --> 00:56:06,284
We build something, we do something,
1142
00:56:06,576 --> 00:56:08,786
we go back and try something else.
1143
00:56:09,078 --> 00:56:10,872
Look folks, modern design.
1144
00:56:11,163 --> 00:56:12,707
Whoo, whoo, whoo hoo!
1145
00:56:12,999 --> 00:56:14,709
The Russians, in the meanwhile,
1146
00:56:15,001 --> 00:56:16,252
are the tortoise.
1147
00:56:16,544 --> 00:56:19,046
They build something, they keep on going.
1148
00:56:19,338 --> 00:56:21,424
Do you know that the booster,
1149
00:56:21,716 --> 00:56:25,595
the rocket that put Yuri
Krekorian up in space in 1961
1150
00:56:28,097 --> 00:56:30,433
is basically the same vehicle
1151
00:56:30,725 --> 00:56:34,020
that's putting our astronauts
and their cosmonauts
1152
00:56:34,312 --> 00:56:37,565
into the International
Space Station today?
1153
00:56:37,857 --> 00:56:39,525
The same vehicle,
1154
00:56:39,817 --> 00:56:42,069
and yet, we don't keep ours.
1155
00:56:42,361 --> 00:56:44,196
The Saturn V could have been improved.
1156
00:56:44,488 --> 00:56:47,658
That'd been a good stepping stone towards
1157
00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:49,619
going back to the Moon.
1158
00:56:50,745 --> 00:56:53,331
We could have improved the lunar module.
1159
00:56:53,623 --> 00:56:55,666
We couldn't done lots of things
1160
00:56:55,958 --> 00:56:58,252
to the Saturn V to upgrade it,
1161
00:56:58,544 --> 00:57:02,465
and we'd have had still, a
viable lunar program going.
1162
00:57:03,883 --> 00:57:04,759
It's a tragedy
1163
00:57:05,051 --> 00:57:07,345
and I'll mention that every
time that someone tells me.
1164
00:57:07,637 --> 00:57:11,599
It's a tragedy that we stopped
building the Saturn V rocket.
1165
00:57:18,606 --> 00:57:21,317
The decision to stop
production of the Saturn V
1166
00:57:21,609 --> 00:57:25,863
dates back really to the
Lyndon Johnson administration.
1167
00:57:26,155 --> 00:57:28,658
The Space Agency, facing
severe budget restrictions,
1168
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:31,285
has decided to cut back
Apollo moon landing missions
1169
00:57:31,577 --> 00:57:32,912
to two flights a year.
1170
00:57:33,204 --> 00:57:35,915
NASA had stopped ordering
long lead-time items
1171
00:57:36,207 --> 00:57:38,584
for the Saturn V in 1968
1172
00:57:38,876 --> 00:57:42,213
and announced suspension
of its production.
1173
00:57:43,381 --> 00:57:45,049
There were 15 built and then there weren't
1174
00:57:45,341 --> 00:57:46,258
gonna be any more.
1175
00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:48,719
Then there were ambitious recommendations
1176
00:57:49,011 --> 00:57:51,097
to Nixon in September of '69
1177
00:57:51,389 --> 00:57:54,767
to use Mars its long-term
goal of the program
1178
00:57:55,059 --> 00:57:56,978
and build a space station.
1179
00:57:58,813 --> 00:58:02,650
Those recommendations were
rejected in the fall of '69
1180
00:58:02,942 --> 00:58:05,778
and then there was no need for
1181
00:58:06,070 --> 00:58:08,906
the kind of capability
represented by the Saturn V,
1182
00:58:09,198 --> 00:58:13,577
so it was in the budget
cycle in December of 1969
1183
00:58:13,869 --> 00:58:17,331
that the decision finally was
made to suspend production,
1184
00:58:17,623 --> 00:58:20,418
basically shut the program down.
1185
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:24,630
(dramatic music)
(typewriter keys clicking)
1186
00:58:52,324 --> 00:58:55,453
(pen scratching)
1187
00:58:55,745 --> 00:58:57,079
We had a president who was
1188
00:58:57,371 --> 00:59:01,000
not particularly interested
in the space program.
1189
00:59:01,292 --> 00:59:05,212
We had a Vietnam War that
was picking up a lot of money
1190
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,468
and so as soon as the NASA budget
1191
00:59:13,387 --> 00:59:16,474
for Apollo began to drop off a little,
1192
00:59:17,850 --> 00:59:19,435
the White House looked at it
1193
00:59:19,727 --> 00:59:21,812
like a big place to get money.
1194
00:59:22,104 --> 00:59:26,025
(dramatic music)
(typewriter keys clicking)
1195
00:59:43,292 --> 00:59:45,878
(pen scratching)
1196
00:59:47,004 --> 00:59:49,090
Thomas Paine, administrator
of the Space Agency,
1197
00:59:49,381 --> 00:59:51,258
said today that 50,000
people will be dropped
1198
00:59:51,550 --> 00:59:53,010
and the Space Program stretched out
1199
00:59:53,302 --> 00:59:54,345
as a result of what he called
1200
00:59:54,637 --> 00:59:57,765
very stringent budget cuts
ordered by President Nixon.
1201
00:59:58,057 --> 00:59:59,433
Most of those who will lose their jobs
1202
00:59:59,725 --> 01:00:01,310
work for private contractors,
1203
01:00:01,602 --> 01:00:03,521
the rest for the Space Agency.
1204
01:00:03,813 --> 01:00:04,647
Among other things,
1205
01:00:04,939 --> 01:00:07,817
Paine said production of the
Saturn V rocket will be ended.
1206
01:00:08,109 --> 01:00:09,443
The last one will be used to launch
1207
01:00:09,735 --> 01:00:11,654
an experimental space station.
1208
01:00:11,946 --> 01:00:12,905
The rocket was designed
1209
01:00:13,197 --> 01:00:16,742
at the Marshall Space Flight
Center in Huntsville Alabama.
1210
01:00:17,034 --> 01:00:19,578
(dramatic music)
1211
01:00:21,163 --> 01:00:23,124
[Richard Nixon] Now take
space, the whole space thing.
1212
01:00:23,415 --> 01:00:25,084
I personally think we ought to,
1213
01:00:25,376 --> 01:00:28,462
as far as the Moon thing is concerned,
1214
01:00:28,754 --> 01:00:31,549
stop at probably about
five Apollos and no more.
1215
01:00:31,841 --> 01:00:33,676
Then do something else in space.
1216
01:00:33,968 --> 01:00:34,927
We've got to get a way to get off
1217
01:00:35,219 --> 01:00:36,804
of those damn moon shots.
1218
01:00:37,096 --> 01:00:39,014
Have you been raising that point?
1219
01:00:39,306 --> 01:00:41,142
There can't be any after July.
1220
01:00:41,433 --> 01:00:42,560
And the one that seems to me
1221
01:00:42,852 --> 01:00:43,769
to have the least appeal
1222
01:00:44,061 --> 01:00:45,271
are any more Apollo shots, frankly.
1223
01:00:45,563 --> 01:00:46,772
Why in the hell do they
have to go up there
1224
01:00:47,064 --> 01:00:50,526
and take a look around
the damn thing again?
1225
01:00:50,818 --> 01:00:53,696
The idea of going to
Mars was not selling.
1226
01:00:53,988 --> 01:00:56,490
Putting a base on the
Moon was not selling.
1227
01:00:56,782 --> 01:00:58,951
We weren't gonna get
the big space station.
1228
01:00:59,243 --> 01:01:01,537
We knew we weren't gonna
get the nuclear rocket.
1229
01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:03,664
With the Apollo program doing so well,
1230
01:01:03,956 --> 01:01:05,916
we thought we would be
able to at least continue
1231
01:01:06,208 --> 01:01:10,212
with the budget support
that we had had for Apollo,
1232
01:01:10,504 --> 01:01:13,924
which had been terrific,
and didn't happen,
1233
01:01:14,216 --> 01:01:17,303
and so we were pretty
depressed group for a while.
1234
01:01:17,595 --> 01:01:19,013
Saturn V, Saturn 1B,
1235
01:01:20,139 --> 01:01:22,641
command module, all disappeared.
1236
01:01:24,310 --> 01:01:25,978
And there will be a
mission to Mars someday,
1237
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:27,938
but I don't know when.
1238
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:30,566
50 years from now maybe.
1239
01:01:30,858 --> 01:01:32,234
[Announcer] This time, vote
1240
01:01:32,526 --> 01:01:35,362
like your whole world depended on it.
1241
01:01:39,116 --> 01:01:41,535
(somber music)
1242
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:48,417
When I look at the present direction
1243
01:01:48,709 --> 01:01:51,462
of our space program today,
1244
01:01:51,754 --> 01:01:53,547
I feel disappointed.
1245
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:57,301
I feel that our leaders don't really
1246
01:01:57,593 --> 01:02:00,429
have a good reason for continuing it.
1247
01:02:01,430 --> 01:02:06,018
I think that it's not
their desire to really have
1248
01:02:06,310 --> 01:02:10,856
a first-class, first-rate
program that they can be proud of
1249
01:02:11,148 --> 01:02:15,319
and we look at ways that we
waste money in this country
1250
01:02:15,611 --> 01:02:17,863
when we could put it to good use
1251
01:02:18,155 --> 01:02:20,616
in a program that everybody really,
1252
01:02:20,908 --> 01:02:23,869
the average individual,
really wants to see done,
1253
01:02:24,161 --> 01:02:27,039
then it kind of makes me feel sad.
1254
01:02:27,331 --> 01:02:30,251
Today, we stand on
the shoulders of giants
1255
01:02:30,542 --> 01:02:32,503
and we have to honor those people.
1256
01:02:32,795 --> 01:02:34,964
I know a lot of Apollo astronauts.
1257
01:02:35,256 --> 01:02:37,758
They're pretty pissed off,
1258
01:02:38,050 --> 01:02:39,385
'cause they did their job,
1259
01:02:39,677 --> 01:02:41,220
they did what they were asked to do,
1260
01:02:41,512 --> 01:02:42,888
they put their lives on the line.
1261
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:46,016
They went out and they
did something incredible
1262
01:02:46,308 --> 01:02:48,686
and then nothing happened.
1263
01:02:48,978 --> 01:02:51,272
Can NASA mount a project?
1264
01:02:51,563 --> 01:02:53,399
Can they do a project anymore?
1265
01:02:53,691 --> 01:02:56,193
Or does the project become so politicized
1266
01:02:56,485 --> 01:02:58,237
and so wrapped up in Washington
1267
01:02:58,529 --> 01:03:01,240
that it gets strangled and can't happen.
1268
01:03:01,532 --> 01:03:04,285
Unfortunately, I come from the 60's.
1269
01:03:05,786 --> 01:03:06,704
I'm not cynical.
1270
01:03:06,996 --> 01:03:08,664
I come from the 60's,
1271
01:03:08,956 --> 01:03:10,708
the greatest project management
1272
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,502
the world has ever seen on any project
1273
01:03:13,794 --> 01:03:14,712
and we did it.
1274
01:03:16,255 --> 01:03:17,881
We did it urgently.
1275
01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:19,925
We did it on cost, on schedule,
1276
01:03:20,217 --> 01:03:21,343
and we did it right,
1277
01:03:21,635 --> 01:03:26,098
even with 45 years of hindsight
history, we did it right.
1278
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:28,892
I believe that when we landed
1279
01:03:29,184 --> 01:03:32,438
on the moon in 1969 as a flight tracker,
1280
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:36,025
my children would see an
American back on the Moon.
1281
01:03:36,317 --> 01:03:39,153
I'm starting to lose that belief.
1282
01:03:39,445 --> 01:03:40,863
I had hoped that I would see it myself.
1283
01:03:41,155 --> 01:03:42,781
That is now impossible.
1284
01:03:45,034 --> 01:03:47,536
Ironically, going to the Moon
1285
01:03:48,954 --> 01:03:52,041
could have been a natural continuation
1286
01:03:52,333 --> 01:03:54,626
of the westward migration
1287
01:03:54,918 --> 01:03:56,754
that began with the 13 colonies
1288
01:03:57,046 --> 01:03:59,965
and continued to the end of the 1800s,
1289
01:04:02,217 --> 01:04:04,261
but we didn't do it that way.
1290
01:04:04,553 --> 01:04:07,556
We had a government planned crisis project
1291
01:04:07,848 --> 01:04:11,101
instead of opening up
space like a frontier.
1292
01:04:11,393 --> 01:04:12,561
You realized during the entire
1293
01:04:12,853 --> 01:04:14,980
golden age of space exploration
1294
01:04:15,272 --> 01:04:16,982
that we generally associate with the 1960s
1295
01:04:17,274 --> 01:04:18,942
and the voyage to the Moon,
1296
01:04:19,234 --> 01:04:21,236
we remember ourselves
as pioneers in that era,
1297
01:04:21,528 --> 01:04:23,697
but in fact, we were reactive
1298
01:04:25,866 --> 01:04:28,911
to the statements made by the Soviets
1299
01:04:29,203 --> 01:04:33,707
rather than proactive in
fulfillment of dreams we had.
1300
01:04:33,999 --> 01:04:35,918
They put up a satellite, we
gotta put up a satellite.
1301
01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:38,003
They put a animal,
non-human animal in orbit,
1302
01:04:38,295 --> 01:04:39,213
we put a non human animal.
1303
01:04:39,505 --> 01:04:43,342
They put up a first human,
we put up a first human.
1304
01:04:43,634 --> 01:04:45,052
This went on and on and on
1305
01:04:45,344 --> 01:04:49,348
with Russia beating us in
practically everything.
1306
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,183
Then we get to the moon before they did.
1307
01:04:51,475 --> 01:04:52,559
We said, we win.
1308
01:04:56,522 --> 01:04:57,231
If that's how we look at it,
1309
01:04:57,523 --> 01:04:58,941
we didn't understand
1310
01:05:01,193 --> 01:05:03,445
who was pioneering that race.
1311
01:05:08,534 --> 01:05:12,037
So we are better at
reacting than proacting,
1312
01:05:14,123 --> 01:05:15,582
given that fact we may have to sink
1313
01:05:15,874 --> 01:05:19,044
deeper into economic poverty as a nation
1314
01:05:20,629 --> 01:05:22,840
before we wake up and say
1315
01:05:23,132 --> 01:05:25,634
we gotta do something about this.
1316
01:05:27,344 --> 01:05:31,390
It's an unfortunate
fact of how we function.
1317
01:05:31,682 --> 01:05:32,975
You know, there's a
generation out there right now
1318
01:05:33,267 --> 01:05:35,936
that doesn't believe we've
ever been to the Moon.
1319
01:05:36,228 --> 01:05:39,106
Now that's not because the shadows
1320
01:05:39,398 --> 01:05:41,608
from the flag fall the wrong way
1321
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:44,069
or the lens flare is wrong
1322
01:05:44,361 --> 01:05:47,197
or you can't see the stars
because of the contrast ratio
1323
01:05:47,489 --> 01:05:50,742
or this or that or the
other or anything like that.
1324
01:05:51,034 --> 01:05:54,705
The real reason that any
of that sticks at all
1325
01:05:57,374 --> 01:05:59,668
is that we're not there now
1326
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,503
and it's incredibly hard to believe
1327
01:06:01,795 --> 01:06:03,672
that if we ever did
something that magnificent,
1328
01:06:03,964 --> 01:06:06,633
that exciting, that inspirational,
1329
01:06:07,926 --> 01:06:09,094
why did we stop?
1330
01:06:10,179 --> 01:06:13,265
That's the reason there's people
who believe we never went.
1331
01:06:13,557 --> 01:06:15,309
Why aren't we there now?
1332
01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:17,603
It's peace time, Jim.
1333
01:06:17,895 --> 01:06:19,688
The government isn't making
that kind of appropriations.
1334
01:06:19,980 --> 01:06:21,273
Whether you need the
rocket one of these days
1335
01:06:21,565 --> 01:06:23,525
and if it's not ready, the
government will do the job.
1336
01:06:23,817 --> 01:06:26,904
And they'll turn to you, to
private industry, to do it.
1337
01:06:27,196 --> 01:06:28,989
Government always does
that when it gets in a jam.
1338
01:06:29,281 --> 01:06:29,990
It has to.
1339
01:06:30,282 --> 01:06:34,745
This time, I figured we might
be ready for the government.
1340
01:06:35,037 --> 01:06:38,749
The British government
explored Hudson Bay.
1341
01:06:39,041 --> 01:06:41,710
Then, the Hudson Bay Company was created.
1342
01:06:42,002 --> 01:06:44,254
The US government explores the moon,
1343
01:06:44,546 --> 01:06:47,925
then the lunar, gofindlunarrocks.com
1344
01:06:48,217 --> 01:06:49,635
company will get created.
1345
01:06:49,927 --> 01:06:52,930
We have companies now,
spaceX leading the way,
1346
01:06:53,222 --> 01:06:55,307
bringing cargo to and
from the Space Station.
1347
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,060
That should have been
happening decades ago.
1348
01:06:58,352 --> 01:07:00,479
You don't need astronauts
to serve as truck drivers
1349
01:07:00,771 --> 01:07:03,106
hauling cargo back and forth.
1350
01:07:03,398 --> 01:07:04,858
An unmanned vehicle can do that
1351
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:07,486
and let the commercial
marketplace take care of it.
1352
01:07:07,778 --> 01:07:09,154
Let them bid for that.
1353
01:07:09,446 --> 01:07:10,781
They can do it faster, cheaper, better,
1354
01:07:11,073 --> 01:07:14,117
than any government program
could do it, for sure.
1355
01:07:14,409 --> 01:07:16,495
When airplanes were first beginning,
1356
01:07:16,787 --> 01:07:19,248
a very smart group of people decided
1357
01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:20,749
that they were not going to,
1358
01:07:21,041 --> 01:07:23,460
America was not going
to own its own fleet,
1359
01:07:23,752 --> 01:07:24,628
its own airline.
1360
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,463
It said, what we're gonna do is help build
1361
01:07:26,755 --> 01:07:29,258
the airline industry and
the airplane industry,
1362
01:07:29,550 --> 01:07:31,218
and they did that by simply guaranteeing
1363
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:32,427
a certain amount of mail
1364
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:35,055
that was gonna be traveling on airplanes.
1365
01:07:35,347 --> 01:07:37,349
And what happened was
that an industry developed
1366
01:07:37,641 --> 01:07:39,309
here America became the leading country
1367
01:07:39,601 --> 01:07:41,979
and the leading technology developer
1368
01:07:42,271 --> 01:07:45,774
of what we now know as modern aviation.
1369
01:07:46,066 --> 01:07:49,987
(inspirational music)
(airplane engines roaring)
1370
01:07:58,745 --> 01:08:00,163
People should be able to come up
1371
01:08:00,455 --> 01:08:02,791
with creative, beneficial things
1372
01:08:03,083 --> 01:08:05,919
that they can figure
out how to afford to do
1373
01:08:06,211 --> 01:08:10,215
and if there's science involved
that can benefit the country
1374
01:08:10,507 --> 01:08:12,718
and the federal government
can get involved,
1375
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:15,304
if there's technology
that needs to be developed
1376
01:08:15,596 --> 01:08:18,765
that can help people, the
government can get involved there.
1377
01:08:19,057 --> 01:08:21,852
We could have partnerships
and we can move out.
1378
01:08:22,144 --> 01:08:24,271
We can have the 21st century equivalent
1379
01:08:24,563 --> 01:08:26,607
of the Transcontinental Railroad,
1380
01:08:26,898 --> 01:08:29,568
which by the way, was
built by private companies
1381
01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:32,321
without a government
department of railroads
1382
01:08:32,613 --> 01:08:35,032
telling them how to do it.
1383
01:08:35,324 --> 01:08:36,783
We did it with land grants.
1384
01:08:37,075 --> 01:08:38,910
Well, we could do the same thing in space.
1385
01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:40,954
We could do the same sort of
1386
01:08:41,246 --> 01:08:42,873
innovative partnerships in space.
1387
01:08:43,165 --> 01:08:43,957
We just have to get away
1388
01:08:44,249 --> 01:08:45,876
from this sort of bureaucratic mindset
1389
01:08:46,168 --> 01:08:49,671
that it needs to be a government
program to do it for us.
1390
01:08:49,963 --> 01:08:52,674
The vast amount of brains,
talents, special skills,
1391
01:08:52,966 --> 01:08:54,760
and research facilities
necessary for this project
1392
01:08:55,052 --> 01:08:57,679
are not in the government,
nor can they be mobilized
1393
01:08:57,971 --> 01:09:01,016
by the government in
peacetime without fatal delay.
1394
01:09:01,308 --> 01:09:04,269
Only American industry can do this job.
1395
01:09:04,561 --> 01:09:07,022
The way frontiers have been opened,
1396
01:09:07,314 --> 01:09:08,982
and the way that they should be opened,
1397
01:09:09,274 --> 01:09:13,153
is by an interaction of the
private and the public sector,
1398
01:09:13,445 --> 01:09:15,781
working for the good of all
1399
01:09:16,073 --> 01:09:18,617
so that the government is providing
1400
01:09:18,909 --> 01:09:21,203
a Lewis and Clark function,
1401
01:09:21,495 --> 01:09:24,748
a Magellan function, a Drake function,
1402
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,251
and then those explorers are returning
1403
01:09:28,543 --> 01:09:30,462
and telling us about what's over the hill,
1404
01:09:30,754 --> 01:09:32,839
what's across that ocean,
1405
01:09:33,131 --> 01:09:37,260
and then the private sector
moves into that realm
1406
01:09:37,552 --> 01:09:41,682
and begins to turn what
it is that's been found
1407
01:09:41,973 --> 01:09:43,975
into new land, new wealth,
1408
01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:49,439
and that's how you open a frontier.
1409
01:09:49,731 --> 01:09:51,483
You don't open the frontier
1410
01:09:51,775 --> 01:09:55,612
by sending a few highly
paid government employees
1411
01:09:55,904 --> 01:09:59,825
out there in a large and
expensive government vehicle
1412
01:10:01,827 --> 01:10:05,831
and throwing most of it away
on the way there and back.
1413
01:10:07,165 --> 01:10:09,835
(old timey music)
1414
01:10:11,378 --> 01:10:12,754
Well, I know one thing.
1415
01:10:13,046 --> 01:10:15,215
If they do build a space
station in my lifetime,
1416
01:10:15,507 --> 01:10:17,092
or send a ship to the Moon,
1417
01:10:17,384 --> 01:10:19,052
I'm gonna be ready to go.
1418
01:10:19,344 --> 01:10:21,221
What courses are you taking next year?
1419
01:10:21,513 --> 01:10:23,390
Oh, my schedule is already made out.
1420
01:10:23,682 --> 01:10:26,017
In the ninth grade, you
have to take mathematics
1421
01:10:26,309 --> 01:10:27,686
and English and history...
1422
01:10:27,978 --> 01:10:28,729
No science?
1423
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:30,313
Well, I had my choice of taking
1424
01:10:30,605 --> 01:10:32,315
general science this year or next,
1425
01:10:32,607 --> 01:10:34,025
but I've put it off a year.
1426
01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,069
Then you put your trip off a year.
1427
01:10:36,361 --> 01:10:39,072
Science is the engine of prosperity.
1428
01:10:39,364 --> 01:10:41,825
All the wealth we see around
us comes from science,
1429
01:10:42,117 --> 01:10:46,163
but science is made by
scientists, mainly young people.
1430
01:10:46,455 --> 01:10:48,707
Young people have to be inspired.
1431
01:10:48,999 --> 01:10:50,876
They have to look at the sky and say,
1432
01:10:51,168 --> 01:10:53,503
wow, I wanna be part
of this great endeavor
1433
01:10:53,795 --> 01:10:55,547
to explore the universe.
1434
01:10:55,839 --> 01:10:58,216
The real spinoff that matters
1435
01:10:59,259 --> 01:11:01,470
out of the Apollo program
1436
01:11:01,762 --> 01:11:04,097
was a generation that saw that
1437
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:08,852
and in their mind, they mixed,
1438
01:11:09,144 --> 01:11:10,353
here's the Apollo program
1439
01:11:10,645 --> 01:11:13,732
and people really doing something
cool out there in space,
1440
01:11:14,024 --> 01:11:15,692
and here's Captain Kirk
1441
01:11:15,984 --> 01:11:18,445
and these kinds of shows and movies,
1442
01:11:18,737 --> 01:11:19,821
2001 Space Odyssey,
1443
01:11:20,113 --> 01:11:21,656
and if you put this all together
1444
01:11:21,948 --> 01:11:24,993
in the mind of a child or a
teenager what begins to happen
1445
01:11:25,285 --> 01:11:28,205
is a synthesis that
says, I'm wanna do that.
1446
01:11:28,497 --> 01:11:29,790
Somebody's done it.
1447
01:11:30,081 --> 01:11:31,374
I can do it.
1448
01:11:31,666 --> 01:11:33,418
I'm gonna figure out how to do it.
1449
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:35,712
The biggest spin-off of the Apollo program
1450
01:11:36,004 --> 01:11:39,508
was a generation who stayed
in school, who studied,
1451
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,135
and now, they wanna do that.
1452
01:11:42,427 --> 01:11:44,221
They want to give back to civilization
1453
01:11:44,513 --> 01:11:46,681
in the way that they were
inspired to do as children.
1454
01:11:46,973 --> 01:11:49,351
My son looked up at me
one night and asked me,
1455
01:11:49,643 --> 01:11:51,812
sorry, it still breaks me up.
1456
01:11:53,355 --> 01:11:54,940
Daddy, is it really true
1457
01:11:55,232 --> 01:11:57,901
that they used to fly to the
Moon when you were a boy?
1458
01:11:58,193 --> 01:11:58,985
I was really disappointed
1459
01:11:59,277 --> 01:12:00,654
that we had not sent anyone to Mars,
1460
01:12:00,946 --> 01:12:03,198
that we had not progressed beyond Apollo,
1461
01:12:03,490 --> 01:12:05,992
and I kept waiting for when we would,
1462
01:12:06,284 --> 01:12:08,537
and it just didn't
happen, year after year.
1463
01:12:08,829 --> 01:12:12,123
I submit that if we engage
in another bold vision
1464
01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:13,792
like we did in the 60's,
1465
01:12:14,084 --> 01:12:15,460
this time not motivated by war,
1466
01:12:15,752 --> 01:12:18,547
but by an understanding of the impact
1467
01:12:18,839 --> 01:12:21,675
of that adventure on our culture,
1468
01:12:21,967 --> 01:12:22,717
our culture.
1469
01:12:23,802 --> 01:12:26,346
What people wanted to
be when they grew up.
1470
01:12:26,638 --> 01:12:28,849
I am a child of Apollo.
1471
01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:32,185
The greatest influences I had growing up
1472
01:12:32,477 --> 01:12:34,229
were NASA and Star Trek.
1473
01:12:36,106 --> 01:12:38,567
I didn't just believe we
were going into space.
1474
01:12:38,859 --> 01:12:39,776
I expected it.
1475
01:12:40,861 --> 01:12:43,071
It stimulates an entire generation
1476
01:12:43,363 --> 01:12:44,614
of scientists and technologists.
1477
01:12:44,906 --> 01:12:46,032
It's the 21st century.
1478
01:12:46,324 --> 01:12:47,868
You need them if you care about
1479
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,120
the health of your economy tomorrow.
1480
01:12:50,412 --> 01:12:52,205
You need folks like that around you.
1481
01:12:52,497 --> 01:12:54,040
I went to the NASA website to just see
1482
01:12:54,332 --> 01:12:55,250
when are we going to Mars?
1483
01:12:55,542 --> 01:12:57,419
And I couldn't find that out.
1484
01:12:57,711 --> 01:12:59,754
(laughter)
1485
01:13:00,046 --> 01:13:00,881
Then I thought, well,
1486
01:13:01,172 --> 01:13:04,217
perhaps this is a question of, of will.
1487
01:13:04,509 --> 01:13:07,846
Is there sufficient will to do this?
1488
01:13:08,138 --> 01:13:11,933
The reason I fight
so hard for this cause
1489
01:13:12,225 --> 01:13:15,312
is because I believe we are here
1490
01:13:15,604 --> 01:13:17,689
to expand and grow
1491
01:13:17,981 --> 01:13:21,776
and carry the light of life into space.
1492
01:13:22,068 --> 01:13:24,446
If we don't embrace space as a frontier,
1493
01:13:24,738 --> 01:13:27,282
what are we as a species?
1494
01:13:27,574 --> 01:13:28,909
We have the power to do it.
1495
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:30,619
We have the know-how to do it.
1496
01:13:30,911 --> 01:13:33,246
We know what it can bring us,
1497
01:13:33,538 --> 01:13:36,833
culturally, economically,
militaristically.
1498
01:13:38,293 --> 01:13:42,213
To not do it is to simply
not have the foresight.
1499
01:13:44,883 --> 01:13:47,469
In these final hours before Apollo 17,
1500
01:13:47,761 --> 01:13:49,095
some people are gloomy about
1501
01:13:49,387 --> 01:13:51,181
the future of space exploration.
1502
01:13:51,473 --> 01:13:53,934
Not among them is Dr. Vander Von Braun,
1503
01:13:54,225 --> 01:13:56,144
the retired rocket expert to develop
1504
01:13:56,436 --> 01:13:58,313
the big Saturn launch vehicles
1505
01:13:58,605 --> 01:14:01,066
and used to send men
on the way to the Moon.
1506
01:14:01,358 --> 01:14:03,610
I talked with Dr. Von
Braun earlier this evening.
1507
01:14:03,902 --> 01:14:07,030
I think that all good
things have an ending.
1508
01:14:07,322 --> 01:14:10,075
I consider Apollo a little bit as it were
1509
01:14:10,367 --> 01:14:14,871
as a ceiling ship and dog
sled area for the south pole.
1510
01:14:15,163 --> 01:14:16,998
Or next time we go to the south pole,
1511
01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:19,584
we'll go by turboprop airplane.
1512
01:14:19,876 --> 01:14:22,128
We doubled the number
of science graduates
1513
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:24,589
in this country during
Apollo at every level:
1514
01:14:24,881 --> 01:14:26,675
High school, college, PhD.
1515
01:14:26,967 --> 01:14:28,051
What force was operating to make
1516
01:14:28,343 --> 01:14:29,552
everyone want to become scientists?
1517
01:14:29,844 --> 01:14:31,888
We were going to the Moon.
1518
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:34,599
So, our motivation was
militaristically driven
1519
01:14:34,891 --> 01:14:36,768
but we benefited economically from it
1520
01:14:37,060 --> 01:14:38,895
because scientists and technologists
1521
01:14:39,187 --> 01:14:41,856
invent the economies of tomorrow.
1522
01:14:46,027 --> 01:14:48,947
We used to invent new
things with such frequency
1523
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:52,075
that you didn't fix something
that was about to break.
1524
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:54,285
You putting something completely new
1525
01:14:54,577 --> 01:14:57,414
that took you to a new place.
1526
01:14:57,706 --> 01:14:58,999
You didn't have to worry
about the old thing breaking,
1527
01:14:59,290 --> 01:15:02,210
because you just replaced
the entire structure
1528
01:15:02,502 --> 01:15:04,212
with better materials, lighter materials,
1529
01:15:04,504 --> 01:15:06,172
more durable materials.
1530
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:11,761
These are the things that come
out of an innovation nation.
1531
01:15:12,053 --> 01:15:13,430
You know how you get in
an innovation nation?
1532
01:15:13,722 --> 01:15:15,932
You put a bold project in front of them
1533
01:15:16,224 --> 01:15:18,685
that inspires people to want
to innovate in the first place.
1534
01:15:18,977 --> 01:15:22,230
And I know of no greater force of nature
1535
01:15:22,522 --> 01:15:25,108
then what going into space can do
1536
01:15:26,276 --> 01:15:28,194
for the next generation of people
1537
01:15:28,486 --> 01:15:32,741
who are tasked with taking
us into the 21st century.
1538
01:15:33,033 --> 01:15:36,536
I believe that we can carry this battle
1539
01:15:36,828 --> 01:15:40,123
and basically address it, articulate it,
1540
01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:42,876
is an economic challenge to the nation
1541
01:15:43,168 --> 01:15:44,794
a technological challenge to the nation,
1542
01:15:45,086 --> 01:15:47,756
a spiritual challenge to the nation,
1543
01:15:48,048 --> 01:15:50,800
that we have to believe as a nation
1544
01:15:52,927 --> 01:15:55,013
we are capable of doing difficult things
1545
01:15:55,305 --> 01:15:57,348
and move forward and do it.
1546
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,685
We need to bring America's character
1547
01:16:00,977 --> 01:16:03,229
to bear on America's frontier
1548
01:16:04,522 --> 01:16:05,857
and if we do that,
1549
01:16:08,193 --> 01:16:11,696
there is no limit to
what we can accomplish.
1550
01:16:12,864 --> 01:16:15,325
We were given the Apollo program
1551
01:16:15,617 --> 01:16:17,243
because of a set of challenges
1552
01:16:17,535 --> 01:16:20,747
that a very young president faced.
1553
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:22,624
We were fortunate at that time
1554
01:16:22,916 --> 01:16:24,292
we had the articulators.
1555
01:16:24,584 --> 01:16:26,503
We had the Von Brauns and the Lowes
1556
01:16:26,795 --> 01:16:29,464
and the gurus who were capable of going up
1557
01:16:29,756 --> 01:16:31,925
and basically talking to this president
1558
01:16:32,217 --> 01:16:35,929
and talking to the US Congress
and selling this program.
1559
01:16:36,221 --> 01:16:40,642
We need the people who have
that fluency, that belief
1560
01:16:40,934 --> 01:16:44,437
and are willing to expend
themselves in that cost.
1561
01:16:44,729 --> 01:16:45,772
During the Apollo era,
1562
01:16:46,064 --> 01:16:47,774
you didn't need government programs
1563
01:16:48,066 --> 01:16:49,025
trying to convince people
1564
01:16:49,317 --> 01:16:50,235
that doing science and engineering
1565
01:16:50,527 --> 01:16:51,945
was good for the country.
1566
01:16:52,237 --> 01:16:54,114
It was self-evident.
1567
01:16:54,405 --> 01:16:57,909
Maybe we need a department
of future thinkers
1568
01:16:58,952 --> 01:17:02,413
who aren't thinking, will I
get reelected this November?
1569
01:17:02,705 --> 01:17:06,668
Who aren't thinking,
can we afford this now?
1570
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,336
Are these other problems I have to solve?
1571
01:17:08,628 --> 01:17:09,170
No.
1572
01:17:09,462 --> 01:17:11,714
We need like a new
presidential cabinet position:
1573
01:17:12,006 --> 01:17:12,841
The futurist.
1574
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:17,554
They can help set
priorities for how we invest
1575
01:17:17,846 --> 01:17:22,225
versus the return on
that investment later on.
1576
01:17:22,517 --> 01:17:23,935
That's what we need.
1577
01:17:26,771 --> 01:17:28,356
We don't have that
1578
01:17:28,648 --> 01:17:30,400
and I've been trying,
but I've been failing,
1579
01:17:30,692 --> 01:17:32,443
so basically, I've gave up.
1580
01:17:32,735 --> 01:17:34,404
Just going back to my lab.
1581
01:17:34,696 --> 01:17:37,198
I'm tired of screaming into people's ears.
1582
01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:38,741
What we got paid back for
1583
01:17:39,033 --> 01:17:40,994
were million of scientists, engineers,
1584
01:17:41,286 --> 01:17:43,830
doctors, medical
researchers, inventors, okay?
1585
01:17:44,122 --> 01:17:45,206
Who are the people who created
1586
01:17:45,498 --> 01:17:46,958
the economic boom of the 1990's,
1587
01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:49,002
these 40 year old techno billionaires
1588
01:17:49,294 --> 01:17:50,128
who built Silicon Valley?
1589
01:17:50,420 --> 01:17:52,338
These are the 12 year olds of the 1960s.
1590
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:56,926
Apollo worked because John
F Kennedy said in 1961,
1591
01:17:57,218 --> 01:18:00,555
we are going to be on the
Moon by the end of the decade,
1592
01:18:00,847 --> 01:18:03,558
and while administrations
changed in early 1969,
1593
01:18:03,850 --> 01:18:05,185
we were practically to the Moon
1594
01:18:05,476 --> 01:18:08,521
and they weren't about to
cancel that at that point.
1595
01:18:08,813 --> 01:18:11,482
If instead, Kennedy had said,
I think it'd be good idea
1596
01:18:11,774 --> 01:18:14,027
to go to the Moon and we
should do it by the year 2000,
1597
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:16,738
we never would have made it to the Moon.
1598
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:18,740
It's not about the rocket equation.
1599
01:18:19,032 --> 01:18:20,617
It's not about physics.
1600
01:18:20,909 --> 01:18:23,953
We solve those issues every single day.
1601
01:18:25,288 --> 01:18:27,582
We have built a cage around our ideas.
1602
01:18:27,874 --> 01:18:31,502
We have built a cage around our
future that says you cannot.
1603
01:18:31,794 --> 01:18:34,088
We are telling the
generation that exists today
1604
01:18:34,380 --> 01:18:36,841
that they're going to have less,
1605
01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:38,259
that they should give up their dreams.
1606
01:18:38,551 --> 01:18:42,388
That their job is to save a
planet that we've screwed up.
1607
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,308
What really matters is that someday
1608
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,435
there's a kid living on the moon,
1609
01:18:47,727 --> 01:18:48,770
there's a kid living in free space,
1610
01:18:49,062 --> 01:18:50,313
there's a kid living on Mars,
1611
01:18:50,605 --> 01:18:51,940
who looks back at the Earth and says,
1612
01:18:52,232 --> 01:18:52,857
that's where we came from,
1613
01:18:53,149 --> 01:18:54,067
turns their head, looks the other way,
1614
01:18:54,359 --> 01:18:55,902
and says, that's what we're going.
1615
01:18:56,194 --> 01:18:58,196
It will be a human endeavor.
1616
01:18:58,488 --> 01:19:01,032
It will bring out the best in humankind.
1617
01:19:01,324 --> 01:19:03,534
Space exploration has changed your life
1618
01:19:03,826 --> 01:19:06,537
and it's made your life better.
1619
01:19:06,829 --> 01:19:09,624
The food you eat, your
communication systems,
1620
01:19:09,916 --> 01:19:13,628
your transportation systems
are all made better by space.
1621
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,298
But deeper and bigger
and more importantly,
1622
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:21,552
your view of your
relationship to the Cosmos,
1623
01:19:21,844 --> 01:19:23,221
your place in space,
1624
01:19:23,513 --> 01:19:25,974
is fundamentally influenced by people
1625
01:19:26,266 --> 01:19:28,393
who have insisted that we explore space,
1626
01:19:28,685 --> 01:19:30,144
that we go over the horizon,
1627
01:19:30,436 --> 01:19:32,647
that we look beyond what we can see
1628
01:19:32,939 --> 01:19:34,816
and that is all to the good
1629
01:19:35,108 --> 01:19:39,445
and it is in everyone's
best interest to support it.
1630
01:19:39,737 --> 01:19:42,657
We cannot allow ourselves to settle
1631
01:19:42,949 --> 01:19:46,327
for the condition and the
state that we are in today.
1632
01:19:46,619 --> 01:19:50,123
We have to become the foot
soldiers in the fight for space,
1633
01:19:50,415 --> 01:19:52,333
and it has to apply to every person
1634
01:19:52,625 --> 01:19:55,628
who lives, works, and dreams of space,
1635
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,505
and it's time to do it now.
1636
01:19:57,797 --> 01:20:00,300
(dramatic music)
1637
01:26:03,704 --> 01:26:06,540
(upbeat rock music)
1638
01:27:20,865 --> 01:27:23,617
(enchanting music)
1639
01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:36,305
I got fired.
1640
01:32:36,597 --> 01:32:37,139
[Man] Really?
1641
01:32:37,431 --> 01:32:39,099
Yes sir, out the door.
1642
01:32:39,391 --> 01:32:40,142
We're not gonna fly you again.
1643
01:32:40,434 --> 01:32:41,643
We don't have a job for you.
1644
01:32:41,935 --> 01:32:43,353
They get tired of hearing this stuff
1645
01:32:43,645 --> 01:32:45,647
and when you're jabbing
them, the bureaucrats,
1646
01:32:45,939 --> 01:32:47,566
you're jabbing them,
1647
01:32:47,858 --> 01:32:49,193
they've had enough.
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