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hey everybody welcome to the podcast my
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guest today is dr alan goldhamer
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dr goldhamer is the founder of true
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north health center in santa rosa
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california
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he is the co-author of this book the
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pleasure trap
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and he's a pioneer in the plant-based
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nutrition space
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this conversation is about many things
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but there is a particular focus on
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fasting today and
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it is fascinating i think you're going
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to enjoy it
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if you enjoy my content in general
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and without further ado please enjoy my
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conversation with dr alan goldhamer
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right let's do it nice to see you thank
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you for coming out here to do this
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it's my pleasure it's been a long time
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in the coming um we're going to talk
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about
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fasting we're going to talk about a
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whole food plant-based diet particularly
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your specific bent on it the sos
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version of a whole food plant-based diet
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but before we do that
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i think what would be really interesting
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and something about your
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work specifically that i find
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fascinating and that i appreciate
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is that it's very much rooted in as much
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in
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psychology as it is in nutrition science
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and and physiology
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and beneath all of that
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again which i appreciate is the fact
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that
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um there are some uncomfortable truths
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about
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about our relationship to food that
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is premised in this vernacular around
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addiction and as somebody who
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is a long time in recovery this is the
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lens that i kind of
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approach all of these things and it's
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something that i think is under
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addressed in this conversation about
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not just a healthy diet but how we
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transition to a healthy diet because
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people
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um you know we're emotional beings
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and it's less about the information
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than it is about trying to help people
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figure out how to
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traverse that tricky you know
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sort of tight rope between old habits
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and new habits and by by kind of
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couching all of this
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in those uncomfortable truths about our
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addictive relationship with food i think
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is
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is really powerful well the reality is
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you know humans evolved in
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on a very different environment than
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when we the one we live in today
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we lived in an environment of scarcity
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so most humans actually didn't live to
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reproduce
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they didn't pass on their genes they
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died from predation they died from
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starvation
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a few survived our ancestors our
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ancestors were the winners
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they got enough to eat they didn't get
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eaten they lived long enough to
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reproduce
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and our bodies and our minds were
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perfectly designed for that environment
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of scarcity
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so now human beings being the innovative
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creatures we are we change everything we
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change the environment we live in
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dramatically
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and now we don't live in that
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environment of scarcity at least most of
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us don't
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we live in an environment of abundance
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and
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although we're perfectly designed for
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that environment of scarcity
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this environment of abundance can trip
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us up and it does
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and it's responsible for the systematic
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overeating that people do
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that leads to the obesity that leads to
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the metabolic syndrome that leads to the
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vulnerability to infectious disease and
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the chronic degenerative diseases the
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cardiovascular disease
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and many of the cancers and so that
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that reality is why it's so difficult
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for people to adjust to the idea that
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they just can't eat as much of whatever
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they want
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and get away with it yeah it's almost as
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if
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you know if you're if you're a heroin
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addict or an alcoholic everywhere you go
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everybody is a heroin addict or an
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alcoholic there is no
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safe space right we've normalized our
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behavior
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and our respective relationships with
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food to such an extent
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that the radical notion is to step
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outside
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of that and do something different
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two-thirds of people
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in industrialized societies are
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overweight or obese if you're not fat
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you're abnormal
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right and if you go to a physician and
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you
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say you're significantly overweight and
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you've lost a bunch of weight
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the physician doesn't immediately think
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oh you must have adopted a whole plant
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food diet and become an exercise program
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their differential diagnosis is uh oh
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this could be colon cancer
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eating disorder or drug addiction
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pathologize a healthy choice well the
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only experience they have of people
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losing weight and keeping it off is when
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they've got cancer
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they've developed an eating disorder or
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they're a drug addict
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and so it's not even in their
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expectation
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that people are going to actually get
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well you go to a physician with most of
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the diseases of dietary excess the high
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blood pressure the diabetes
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and they're going to tell you look
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you're going to be on drugs
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the rest of your life if you do what i
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tell you i promise you
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you'll never get well you'll be sick
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forever
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because it's not in their expectation
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that people are going to actually
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recover their health
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yeah because they're not addressing the
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actual reasons why they're developing
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the problem to begin with they're not
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addressing the causes of the problem
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i think in tandem with that there's also
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this pessimism
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from the typical general practitioner
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that
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any advice or or kind of advised
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protocols about healthy
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lifestyle change fall on deaf ears it's
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like yeah i could tell this person they
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should
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go to the gym or they should eat better
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and and you know maybe i'm gonna maybe
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i'll say that but
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there isn't a real expectation that
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that's gonna
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move the needle or that that person is
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going to be able to adhere to any kind
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of
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prescribed lifestyle change and and
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that's because we're dealing with people
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that are addicts
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yes and so talk about that expound upon
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expand expound upon that idea because i
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think it's really important
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you don't just say to an alcoholic oh
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you know how your life
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sucks yeah it's because you're a drunk
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uh stop drinking
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yeah and the alcoholic would say i've
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been told that oh
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it's the alcohol i had no idea
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thank you so much i won't drink again
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right it doesn't quite work that way
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we don't currently lie to alcoholics the
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same way we do
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lie to people for example that are
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overweight we tell alcoholics look
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you have a particular vulnerability you
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can't drink
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you need to come up with a strategy each
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and every day that allows you to not
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drink
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and if you can figure out how to do that
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you win but if you don't
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you're going to be in trouble so the
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same thing is actually
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true in many degrees to people that are
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overweight but what we tell the
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overweight person is oh
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just put your food on a smaller plate
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here cut your food with a knife
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and and put your fork down between each
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bite and you won't be overweight anymore
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you just need to learn to eat moderately
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and just eat a little bit less it's it's
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the analog in addiction is
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you know quit the quit the whiskey and
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just drink beer
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or put your beer in a smaller or only
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binge on the weekends and maybe don't
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get behind the wheel of a car
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and it's not real we know with alcohol
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the answer is don't drink that and the
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truth is
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for people that are suffering with
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obesity for people who are suffering
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with these diseases of dietary excess
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it would be better to avoid the
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chemicals that are fooling your brain
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into allowing you to systematically over
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consume than it would be to pretend that
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you can just have a little bit
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if you could have just had a little bit
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you would have just had a little bit and
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you would have had the thing under
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control
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you can't you don't if you're an
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alcoholic you're not the person that can
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have an occasional drink
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okay and if you're the person that's
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suffering with these diseases you may
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find it's easier to just adopt a
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strategy
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that eliminates these chemicals that
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fool the brain we talk about this
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pleasure trap
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the artificial stimulation of dopamine
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in the brain that results from chemicals
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that we put in our food
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that fool our brain the chemicals we put
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in our food
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are things like salt oil and sugar these
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are highly fractionated food
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byproducts not food and they stimulate
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the dopamine cascade in the brain
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they make food taste better they make
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food more
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interesting to us and as a consequence
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we will systematically overeat now
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just like some people can occasionally
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have a drink and not become a drunk
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some people can have bits of this
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without it becoming a
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health compromising uh problem but if
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you're the overweight person if you're
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the person with the heart disease the
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cancer the diabetes
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it's not you you're the person that
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would be better off saying let me
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avoid those chemicals i'll stop fooling
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my brain
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i'll eliminate the systematic overeating
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i'll reverse the disease and pathology
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and i'll adapt a strategy that doesn't
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include
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continually beating myself up with these
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things that i'm not capable of
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regulating
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people have an easy time understanding
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that alcohol is a powerful drug
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that heroin is something that is going
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to kill you
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the addictive nature of these substances
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is
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is is well understood but when it comes
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to food
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that's a leap of faith for a lot of
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people it's it's a bridge too far to say
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i understand alcoholism and drug
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addiction but when you start talking
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about
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food as addictive you're starting to
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lose me
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yeah well the reality is that the the
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neural cascade that's associated with
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addiction of any kind is very similar
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now i'm not arguing that alcohol or
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cocaine or heroin might be even more
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potent than say the sugar
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or the oil or the salt or the
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combination but the net
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effect of salt oil and sugar in the diet
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is actually obvious and devastating
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around us it's why you see
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obesity in the disease of dietary excess
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that's what's making people fat
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it is the hidden force that undermines
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health and happiness it is a
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pleasure trap and it because people
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don't recognize it it's very difficult
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for them to take action
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uh to eliminate it at least with alcohol
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most people know
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oh if you're an alcoholic you probably
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shouldn't drink if you go to a party
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and they say oh you have some alcohol
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and you say well i i can't because
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you know i have an alcohol problem most
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people at least will be
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tolerant of you because okay you got an
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issue you don't have to but if
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if you go in and you say oh no i don't
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want to eat you're going to really upset
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people oh what's wrong with this mike
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you can have this that's great a little
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bit won't hurt
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yeah so it's complicated it's
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complicated
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in terms of the internal psychology in
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trying to reframe our relationship with
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food but there's also
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all of these social constructs that
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create even additional complexity that
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make it very difficult to
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modify behavior there's no question in
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fact the the social roadblocks to health
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are probably some of the limiting
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factors
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i think that's probably true in all
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addiction though you know one of the
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challenges for people
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with alcohol is oftentimes the social
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consequences yes
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of not participating and this is
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definitely true with food we've built so
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much of our social interaction around
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food
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that even even if you're looking to just
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modify
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the type of foods you eat it can be very
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upsetting for people and they can get
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really defensive about it
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right so let's talk a little bit more
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about the pleasure trap specifically
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what that is you co-authored this book
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seminal work with with doug lyle i've
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seen his ted talk i've seen him give his
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presentation many times on this subject
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and that really you know elucidates this
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dysfunctional relationship with food and
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and why it is from an evolutionary and
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psychological perspective well you know
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there's this
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idea of dopamine is a neurochemical
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associated with pleasure
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and there's two behaviors critical for
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human beings survival
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and that is food and sex you have to get
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enough to eat in order to be able to
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sustain yourself
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and you have to engage in enough sexual
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behavior so that you can pass on your
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genes and the whole process can start
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over again
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so it's not surprising that food insects
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are heavily reinforced
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and the way the body the brain
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reinforces the body's behavior is by
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rewarding us with dopamine which is the
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neurochemical associated with pleasure
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so the more dopamine the more pleasure
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the more dopamine the better the food
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tastes
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and so you react to food in response to
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largely caloric density the higher the
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caloric density the more
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valuable it is in this environment of
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scarcity in which we evolved
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and so the higher caloric density foods
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are tend to be more reinforced more
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dopamine
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better tasting so what we've done as
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humans we're innovative creatures we
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said oh if a little good
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a lot's better let's figure out a way to
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make the food taste even more special
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by increasing its caloric density and we
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do that by adding things like oil and
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sugar to the food
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and as a consequence we like it better
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and if that's what you get used to
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eating
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that's all you like and eventually
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people get to the point they really
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don't
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like the taste of simple whole natural
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foods anymore because this
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hyper drug like stimulating effect of
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the more concentrated foods is more
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appealing
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so we literally become addicted for
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example if you want to
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neuro adapt to a lower salt or lower fat
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diet it actually takes time
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in order for the body to go through that
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adaptation we can speed it up with
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fasting but the bottom line is there is
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a period of adaptation
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where food doesn't taste good if you eat
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whole foods and you're used to eating
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highly processed foods
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it's not that appealing now over time
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you adapt
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and then the body gets to the point
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where you like the simpler foods again
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yeah
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people have a hard time believing that
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you adapt there's this
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baked in assumption that you're you're
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you're
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you're just gonna you're looking you're
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staring down the pipeline of a lifetime
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of drab
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foods that are unappealing and you're
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just gonna have to tolerate it
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and we know there's a literature on this
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though with for example sodium
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uh people use on high sodium diet it
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takes about a month on a low sodium diet
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for the average person to neutral adapt
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to a lower salt diet
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you know with fat it takes almost three
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months wow
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it takes three months on a lower fat
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diet before that satiety mechanism
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that's used to being kicked in by
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the higher caloric density fat begins to
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adapt and you will feel
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satisfied on a lower uh
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density foods so the the fruits the
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vegetables or grains of goons
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you will now feel satisfied whereas
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initially you don't because you're used
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to being satiated with these high fat
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uh this high fat intake and that that
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can take months and
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so it's a problem if you say to a person
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well look you're going to eat this new
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diet
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you're going to feel like crap and
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you're not going to like it and but
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it'll only be a few months
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right adherence may be lagging whereas
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if you can make that process happen more
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quickly
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the ability to get people to make
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dietary changes speeds up and that's
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what we found with fasting and sometimes
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that's a way of
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getting people to the point where good
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food tastes good more quickly yeah
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there does seem to be something about
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preparing people for
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that stage of acclimation and there also
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seems to be something
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magical about the 90-day window in and
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you know with drugs and alcohol that's
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sort of the typical window that people
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say it takes
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you know it takes about that much time
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to kind of wean yourself off these
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cravings and
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reset your system a lot of people just
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wanna
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they wanna they're not willing to
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weather
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that period of discomfort
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and perhaps there's a lack of belief
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that they'll reset
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and be able to reframe so that you know
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what they once create like
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to get over the craving you have to
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deprive yourself
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and then you reboot and then those
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things that have held you hostage for so
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long
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suddenly hold less and less power over
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time and the fact that it can happen
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more quickly
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with fasting is really an interesting
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thing for example smokers
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you know it's not easy to quit smoking
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once you're addicted to nicotine
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but most smokers by somewhere between
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day two and day four of fasting no
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longer report with right
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from cigarettes now some people say yeah
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they're so miserable fasting they don't
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even think about them you know
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cigarettes but the reality is that that
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whole adaptive process just is sped up
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dramatically
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now that doesn't mean you don't have
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psychological and social challenges
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afterwards that you still have to
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address in order to sustain
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good behavior patterns but just getting
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rid of that first
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phase of a physical withdrawal and just
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feeling so crappy and feeling like you
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know
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you're wondering why you're putting the
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effort out getting that behind you
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quickly really does
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enhance a person's ability to make the
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transition yeah to be drug-free
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i i understand the you know when you
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were talking about caloric density
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fat and sugar these are things that are
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evolutionarily
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you know we're wired to seek out and to
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maximize
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the salt thing though that's different
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like why is it
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why is it that salt is such a trigger
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for people yeah this one is probably the
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most controversial
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recommendation that we make people have
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come around as you said with oil they
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realize a highly fractionated
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food product like oil high caloric
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density little satiety feedback you know
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they can understand that sugar
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pretty well accepted that refined
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carbohydrates they cause your
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blood uh insulin levels to rise and then
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it drives your sugars
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lower and it follows the brain and now
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you got cravings and that's what a lot
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of the binging and craving and stuff
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comes around is because of physiological
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alterations of refined carbohydrates
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but salt also is a really important part
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of this and let's talk about a few
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reasons why that might be number one
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um salt is an essential nutrient that is
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sodium
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central nutrient without which you die
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fortunately you get
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all of the sodium you need in a whole
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natural food diet just like you get all
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the sugar you need and all the oil you
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need you don't have to add a
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fractionated concentrated food to get
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the amount of sodium the milligrams of
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sodium that's needed to sustain optimum
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health
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salt also has a powerful effect on
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passive overeating
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and you can do an experiment yourself if
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you just sit down and figure out how
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much
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brown rice you'd eat until you feel
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satisfied you don't want any more
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and on a different day everything else
574
00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,079
being equal salt it up and see you'll
575
00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:28,480
eat
576
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,160
significantly more before you feel
577
00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,440
satisfied now some people say yeah it
578
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,400
tastes better
579
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,160
well what do you think tasting better
580
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,679
means it means it's stimulating more
581
00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:37,039
dopamine in the brain
582
00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:39,120
as a result of this artificial type
583
00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,360
response and you will systematically
584
00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,760
eat more on heavily salted foods when
585
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,440
you're adapted to that than you will
586
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,960
wow whole natural foods the other thing
587
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,200
is salt has a preservative effect
588
00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,720
doesn't it when they salt
589
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,960
foods it's to keep bugs from being able
590
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,000
to affect it well
591
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,240
you have five pounds of bacteria living
592
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,760
in your intestinal tract right now
593
00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,880
a trillion creatures a thousand strains
594
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,720
very important to your immune system to
595
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,880
protect you from infectious disease and
596
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,919
other problems
597
00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:08,160
and these thousand creatures are living
598
00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,679
eating and pooing
599
00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:12,799
inside you right now so if you have five
600
00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:14,799
pounds of organisms pooing inside you
601
00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:16,000
you might be concerned about
602
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,840
what they're pooling in you because they
603
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,080
might be pooing some nasty toxic waste
604
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,320
chemicals like tma which becomes tmao
605
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,760
and irritates the vessels and creates a
606
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,440
problem if you're eating animal foods
607
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,400
if that's what you're feeding your
608
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,240
bacteria you're feeding your bacteria
609
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,280
soluble fibers
610
00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,559
you're getting fertilizer you're getting
611
00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,000
vitamin k you're getting a lot of other
612
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,360
good stuff so if you want
613
00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,640
your bacteria pooling fertilizer in tea
614
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,600
you want to make sure you're feeding
615
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,080
them
616
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,960
a healthy diet if if salt is a powerful
617
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,080
preservative let's just
618
00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,440
imagine what happens when we put a high
619
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,120
sodium diet into this bacterial rich
620
00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:46,799
environment
621
00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:49,840
it can alter the gut microbiome and so
622
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,600
sugar can affect it oil can affect in
623
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,720
silicon salt so it's been our experience
624
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,440
that salt in the diet is an important
625
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,559
part of obesity
626
00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,480
for many people that it's an important
627
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,480
part for causing fluid retention which
628
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,840
increases blood volume which is
629
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,520
associated with not just high blood
630
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,240
pressure
631
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,120
but also the joint pain the congestion a
632
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:10,559
lot of the aches and pains that people
633
00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:12,480
have oftentimes is because of this
634
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,559
fluid that the body retains to protect
635
00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:16,960
itself from the consequences of salt
636
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,039
so it has many downstream effects even
637
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:20,400
though it doesn't have any
638
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,960
calories per se it can still be an
639
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,240
important part
640
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,280
of the dietary excess profile and
641
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,280
by eliminating the sodium from the diet
642
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,200
you also eliminate a lot of the highly
643
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,039
fractionated foods that you just can't
644
00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,160
eat without salt
645
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,000
even products like bread and cookies and
646
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,360
crackers and a lot of this stuff without
647
00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:38,240
the salt
648
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,440
really doesn't taste that good because
649
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,080
they've refined out most of the natural
650
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,000
flavors of the food and what they do is
651
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,200
they take these
652
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,960
federally subsidized grains like wheat
653
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,400
and soy and then they
654
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,400
and corn and they add oil salt and sugar
655
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,640
to it process it into various looking
656
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,200
foods
657
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,960
and call that the diet go into a grocery
658
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,400
store and walk around
659
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,760
and you'll see a lot of those foods are
660
00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,360
really nothing more than one grain or
661
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:00,000
the other
662
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,080
with various concentrations of sugar oil
663
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,200
and salt right which
664
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,039
which basically allows you to make
665
00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:06,559
anything taste good
666
00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:09,360
and you strip away those things and
667
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:09,840
there's
668
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,080
something completely unpalatable right
669
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,120
and nutrition
670
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,720
nutritionally deficient underneath it
671
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,320
and so what we're encouraging people to
672
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:16,720
do
673
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,960
is a really radical departure from what
674
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,400
they're currently doing but that's to
675
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,880
adopt a whole plant food diet
676
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,880
that's free of this added chemicals free
677
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,320
of the salt oil and sugar
678
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,840
and what you're left with is things like
679
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,799
fruits and vegetables raw cooked
680
00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:32,960
minimally processed grains beans nuts
681
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,039
and seeds but you don't have the meat
682
00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:36,880
fish val eggs dairy products oil salt
683
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,280
sugar
684
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,120
and highly processed fractionated foods
685
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:40,480
that make up the majority of the
686
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,880
people's diet in industrialized society
687
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,039
and it's that diet that makes them fat
688
00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:46,960
and sick and develop the disease of
689
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,000
dietary excess
690
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,600
and that what makes you vulnerable to
691
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,440
con infectious disease you know when you
692
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,120
look at what are the vulnerabilities
693
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,440
about why do some people get an
694
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,280
influenza or a covid or
695
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,280
an infectious disease and you know they
696
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,960
recover they survive
697
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,240
they have minimal consequences other
698
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,320
people it's devastating or deadly
699
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,080
well if you look at the risk factors
700
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,600
associated with what makes people
701
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,520
vulnerable to these diseases as well as
702
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,039
the disease the chronic diseases the
703
00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:12,799
heart disease the cancer the stroke
704
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:14,880
it's the same metabolic syndrome in all
705
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,400
of its associations
706
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,400
it's the same obesity and diabetes and
707
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,520
high blood pressure and all the
708
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,440
consequences of dietary excess
709
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,919
these are reversible and preventable
710
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:24,880
conditions
711
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,480
people don't have to have these
712
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,400
conditions and even if they have them
713
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,799
they can largely reverse them by taking
714
00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:31,760
responsibility
715
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,760
to control what they put in their mouth
716
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,200
so this is the
717
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,159
the underlying premise uh that that
718
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:38,960
drives
719
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,240
uh true north which you founded what
720
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,039
like 30
721
00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:46,720
years ago at this point 35 in 1984
722
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,919
wow was when my wife dr moran and i
723
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:53,120
started true north health i can't
724
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,640
imagine what it must have been like to
725
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,960
basically open the doors to this
726
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,240
medically supervised
727
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,400
water fasting clinic back in that time i
728
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,360
mean now
729
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,640
it's all the rage we have walter longo
730
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,760
and all kinds of scientists studying the
731
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,320
phenomenon of fasting deeply it's part
732
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,679
of the public awareness
733
00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:15,600
everybody's it's very cool to be out
734
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,520
there you know sort of experimenting
735
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,200
with intermittent fasting
736
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,080
this was not the case back then like i i
737
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,360
i mean
738
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,640
potentially criminal right well at one
739
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,480
point the california board of medical
740
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,760
quality assurance had
741
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,760
rendered an opinion that recommending
742
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,960
fasting to a patient
743
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,960
constituted such a gross violation of
744
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,880
the standard of medical practice
745
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,480
that it rose to the level of criminal
746
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,480
negligence i was actually the first
747
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,000
person in my family that required the
748
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,679
services of a criminal defense attorney
749
00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:44,640
my father was so
750
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,679
proud wow what happened there
751
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:49,360
um they ultimately decided that
752
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,039
recommending fasting was not criminal
753
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,559
negligence that in fact
754
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,320
there was even a provision at that time
755
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,240
in medicare to pay for fasting but as
756
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,000
long as it was for rapid weight loss
757
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,840
necessary for urgent surgery
758
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,520
if you got well unfortunately it wasn't
759
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,960
a covered benefit
760
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,679
um there was also uh every hospital
761
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:07,039
today in this country will
762
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:09,919
use versions of fasting for treating
763
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,679
conditions like acute pancreatitis we
764
00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:13,440
were able to demonstrate that this
765
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,520
was not criminally negligent behavior
766
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,960
but was actually a rather innovative
767
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,080
look at
768
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,840
trying to help sick people get well
769
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,840
we've gone from being criminal quacks to
770
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,360
cutting-edge researchers as you said
771
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,880
there's been some wonderful people like
772
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,080
walter longo
773
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,320
and matson and and fontana and others
774
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,080
that have published in major
775
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,280
impact journals uh this idea that
776
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,000
fasting or
777
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,840
some modification of an intermittent
778
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,840
fasting or modified fasting
779
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,360
could be a helpful tool in fact it was
780
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,000
interesting lanco did some research
781
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000
that i think really was pivotal he
782
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,039
looked at
783
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,159
cancer treatment and he took you know 30
784
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:48,640
rats
785
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,919
with cancer and gave them enough
786
00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:52,000
chemotherapy to resolve all the cancer
787
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,360
cells you have to kind of kill all the
788
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,200
cancer cells so they grow back
789
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,840
the problem is all the rats died so that
790
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,120
wasn't a really good outcome but he took
791
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,200
the same rats with the same cancer
792
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
and the same chemotherapy but he used
793
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,520
fasting before during and after
794
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,000
the treatment and not only did all 30
795
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,960
rats survive
796
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,960
but dramatically enhance cancer-free
797
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,760
survival and so what he found was that
798
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,880
there was these
799
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,000
things like differential stress
800
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,919
sensitization and differential stress
801
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:20,000
resistance that cancer cells were more
802
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,039
vulnerable
803
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,799
to the effects of chemotherapy in the
804
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,240
fasting states probably because of their
805
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,840
higher metabolic rate
806
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,919
they don't adapt to the environment
807
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,000
without glucose as well there's lots of
808
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,600
differences in cancer cells to healthy
809
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,279
cells and in the fasting states the
810
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:34,880
cancer cells were put at a selective
811
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,000
disadvantage
812
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,840
and not only that healthy cells appeared
813
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,640
to be protected during the fasting
814
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,400
from the effects of chemotherapy and at
815
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,240
that point people went
816
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240
particularly pharmaceutically-oriented
817
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,520
people went oh
818
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,279
so fast it could make the drugs work
819
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,919
better oh well maybe it's not quackery
820
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,159
after all and so there was a lot better
821
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:55,840
tolerance and acceptance of this idea
822
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,200
that perhaps
823
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,919
fasting may have a role in enhancing
824
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:00,960
conventional treatment it was
825
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,559
interesting to note too that many of the
826
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,240
biomarkers that predict cancer and
827
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,279
disease
828
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,039
turn off whether you use chemotherapy or
829
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,600
not so the active fasting itself puts
830
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,120
the body in a selective environment that
831
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,880
may be more conducive to healing
832
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,640
and so this type of research of course
833
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,240
now is taking off and there's been a lot
834
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,880
more
835
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,440
uh interest and including by the work
836
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,400
that we're doing at the true north
837
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:20,960
health center
838
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,360
yeah you have this uh this study and
839
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,279
this experience working with a patient
840
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,360
who had stage three follicular
841
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,919
lymphoma right where you had like this
842
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,600
tremendous result
843
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,159
um yeah we had a young woman with uh
844
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:35,520
stage three follicular
845
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,200
lymphoma that had been uh well
846
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,720
documented
847
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,279
excisional biopsy the whole bit and had
848
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:42,799
progressed over a period of
849
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,240
a couple years and uh
850
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,880
she had asked her family physician along
851
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,320
the way was there anything she could do
852
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,919
conservatively in terms of diet and
853
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:52,480
lifestyle
854
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,240
he had assured that diet had nothing to
855
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,679
do with follicular lymphoma that she
856
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,679
could eat whatever she wanted eating
857
00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:00,240
and when she inquired about fasting he
858
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,919
informed her that fasting was criminal
859
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,360
quackery
860
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,520
nonetheless she decided that she didn't
861
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,400
want to undergo
862
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,320
conventional chemotherapy because with
863
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,840
this particular condition
864
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,360
it's not really effective it doesn't
865
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,039
affect all cause mortality there's a lot
866
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,640
of side effects and so often it's not
867
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,480
unusual for them to defer
868
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,640
treatment until the condition is quite
869
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,000
progressed in this case
870
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,440
it progressed enough that he referred to
871
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,799
the medical school talked to an
872
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,240
oncologist an oncologist
873
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,000
also reinforced the idea that diet was
874
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,679
irrelevant to this condition
875
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:31,200
uh that fasting was unproven uh and
876
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,600
even with that advice she decided to
877
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,799
come to the true north health center
878
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:35,679
underwent
879
00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:37,360
21 days of water only fasting during
880
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,880
which time her tumors that were
881
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,039
previously externally palpitated
882
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,279
palpable disappeared
883
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,520
so we fasted for three weeks fed her for
884
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,400
10 days
885
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,760
sent her back to the oncologist and
886
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159
he examined her couldn't find any
887
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:53,679
evidence of the lesions
888
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:56,880
um expressed some surprise
889
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,600
uh she explained he said you know what
890
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,880
did you do and she said well
891
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,480
i went to the criminal quacks and i did
892
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,720
the fasting and the tumors went away
893
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,960
and he said well that's very impressive
894
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,320
suggested he'd give me a call and talk
895
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,440
to me about it
896
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,919
um she asked to have the follow-up ct
897
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:13,840
scan that we requested
898
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,279
and we had warned her that they might be
899
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:16,720
a little reluctant since she didn't have
900
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,360
any
901
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,520
obvious evidence of symptoms and he said
902
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,039
well she didn't really need a
903
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,720
ct scan but she said well she'd really
904
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,080
like to objectify
905
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,520
the changes that had occurred he got a
906
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,360
little nervous but ultimately he did
907
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:27,760
admit
908
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,960
agree to uh order the studies and
909
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,200
um he mentioned that because she was
910
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,720
still a little bit neutropenic maybe
911
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,720
some gentle chemotherapy might still be
912
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,880
a consideration nonetheless she refused
913
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,159
after a couple months for white counts
914
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,320
had normalized by a year she's doing
915
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:42,720
great
916
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,919
senator back got a whole uh you know
917
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:46,840
follow-up
918
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,600
evaluations and at that point we decided
919
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,559
that
920
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,320
it was time to try to write up the
921
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,720
report so we wrote up this
922
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,520
case report we submitted it to a british
923
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,399
medical journal
924
00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:59,919
and after some back and forth they
925
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:02,480
eventually did publish the paper
926
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,760
they had asked us if we could get the
927
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,360
oncologist to sign on and so we wrote
928
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,159
him a letter and
929
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:07,840
it you know thanked him so much for all
930
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,360
the confidence he had shown in referring
931
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,640
the patient to us for
932
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,159
fasting and uh which he didn't okay well
933
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:17,919
you know in spirit and uh so uh but
934
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,360
unfortunately he hasn't gotten around to
935
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,120
responding to us yet so we didn't
936
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,360
how long how long ago was this uh well
937
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,200
what happens we published that paper
938
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,279
and then they asked us to do a follow-up
939
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:28,640
because they said you know about 10
940
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,600
percent of
941
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,720
lymphoma patients will go through
942
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,640
periods of permissive state but
943
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,399
sustaining it would be impressive so we
944
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:36,720
followed this patient for three years
945
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720
and she continued she had lost a
946
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,240
substantial weight she had maintained
947
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,600
that weight loss for three years i think
948
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,039
in part because i explained to her that
949
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:44,720
you know she had to stick to the diet
950
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,640
or it could be fatal because i'd track
951
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,760
her down and kill her
952
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,039
and i police think she'd believe me
953
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,120
because she stuck to the diet
954
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,360
and at three years we got a whole body
955
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,039
ct follow up with the oncologist and
956
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,279
she's completely cancer free
957
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,720
at that point um we submitted
958
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,120
back to uh the british medical journal
959
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,240
which had invited us to
960
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,159
do the follow up they actually refused
961
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,399
the the article the first time we
962
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:10,240
we appealed and resubmitted and then
963
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,240
they did decide to publish the follow-up
964
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,600
one of the reviewers felt like well
965
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600
maybe she just got lucky so
966
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,200
but anyway so she resolved her problem
967
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,399
she maintained it for three years we now
968
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:19,919
have a four year and now we're working
969
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:21,600
on a five-year fall she continues to do
970
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,000
well
971
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
now since then and since the publication
972
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,279
of that article
973
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,880
we've managed to treat a number of
974
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,640
patients with various stages including
975
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,080
stage four lymphoma
976
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,520
and so far the results look very
977
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,200
promising we have some follow-up data
978
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,600
now
979
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,960
we're getting in the we're in the
980
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,720
process of submitting another
981
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640
case report with long-term follow-up on
982
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,240
a stage four flickr lymphoma
983
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,760
and ultimately we're hoping to publish
984
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,440
enough case reports that we can
985
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,360
um do a clinical trial that's amazing
986
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,880
justify a clinical trial because i think
987
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,399
we're going to do very well with this
988
00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:49,760
condition in highly motivated
989
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,200
self-selected patients that are willing
990
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,960
to do dangerous and radical things like
991
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,679
eat well
992
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:55,760
and exercise and go to bed on time the
993
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,360
results seem to be promising
994
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,340
what led you back in the 80s to
995
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:01,440
[Music]
996
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,840
to basically open this clinic that's
997
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,679
premised upon fasting like what
998
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,360
what was it about your education or your
999
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,799
experience that
1000
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,600
you know that that you know you found
1001
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,720
this protocol
1002
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600
and what led you to believe in it in its
1003
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,799
efficacy
1004
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,880
well yeah it was uh it was deep
1005
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,000
frustration
1006
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,799
um being constantly beaten by dr lyle in
1007
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:23,520
basketball
1008
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,279
i grew up with dr lawson's fourth grade
1009
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,039
and we played basketball and and he
1010
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,559
would beat me and i i've known him your
1011
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,039
whole life oh my god
1012
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:32,240
and you know it was really frustrating
1013
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,000
because he's really good so and he's
1014
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,960
just naturally
1015
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,200
got tremendous talent so i just thought
1016
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,880
well i've got to be able to beat him
1017
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,000
somehow
1018
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,520
and so i started reading some books i
1019
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,200
came across a book by herbert shelton it
1020
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,080
made sense
1021
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,840
the idea that you know health was a
1022
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,600
result of healthful living
1023
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,360
and that diet played a role so i thought
1024
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,120
well i'll get an edge
1025
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,760
and i adopted this diet vigorously and
1026
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,960
lifestyle vigorously
1027
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,559
thinking this was going to allow me to
1028
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,320
be of course it failed miserably because
1029
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,679
he adopted the same kind of eating
1030
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:01,440
pattern he still beats me to this day
1031
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,960
here we are 61 years old playing
1032
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,320
basketball i still can't manage to beat
1033
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,000
you your whole life is basically a
1034
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,519
result of you trying to try to beat
1035
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:08,159
doctor
1036
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:09,840
okay yeah and it's and it's frustrating
1037
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,039
i picked the wrong guy i didn't even
1038
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:12,480
realize that you know the person i'm
1039
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,679
trying to be just you know
1040
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:16,080
this bookish stanford psychologist how
1041
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,039
hard could it be
1042
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,720
you know i thought finally i was getting
1043
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,399
desperate i thought well i you know he's
1044
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:21,440
too quick he's got
1045
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,120
i can't but maybe i can beat him in a
1046
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,399
free throw shooting contest because i
1047
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:25,039
thought you know
1048
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,279
free throws is just practice right so
1049
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,279
for six months i go out i'm shooting 500
1050
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:30,880
free throws a day really working on my
1051
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,440
form
1052
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000
and i just casually one day say hey doug
1053
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,200
why don't we do a free throw shooting
1054
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,720
contest uh-huh he says
1055
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,159
okay you know he hasn't even played for
1056
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,159
a week well he he strikes me as a
1057
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,880
as a like a world-class sandbagger like
1058
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,240
the guy's always going to tell you that
1059
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,000
he's no good right he's always down
1060
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,399
playing right that's his whole strategy
1061
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:49,519
for all of this
1062
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,519
i go out and hit 48 out of 50 and i'm
1063
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,360
thinking i got him
1064
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,039
he hits 19 misses one and then hits 80
1065
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,399
in a row
1066
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,799
80 free throws in a row in a row 99 of
1067
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,320
course i'm telling him well what a joke
1068
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,840
if you can hit 99 why don't you just hit
1069
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,399
100.
1070
00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:07,840
i mean yeah so the point is it total
1071
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,480
failure
1072
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,240
got involved trying to be a better
1073
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,320
basketball player but what i would say
1074
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,519
is that we're both
1075
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,559
still playing and so you know
1076
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,559
how good you can become in a sport may
1077
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,320
largely be dependent on genetics and
1078
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:20,720
luck
1079
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,320
how long you're going to live in life
1080
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,159
may be largely dependent on genetics and
1081
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:25,679
love but how well you're going to live
1082
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:27,120
in the time you have left may be
1083
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,799
dependent on what you put in your mouth
1084
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,159
and the diet and lifestyle choices that
1085
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,320
you make and so what we're trying to
1086
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,760
explain to patients is you're not going
1087
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,360
to live forever you're going to die
1088
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,320
there's been a hundred over 100 billion
1089
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,399
humans modern humans born on the planet
1090
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:43,360
there's 7.3 or 4 billion alive today but
1091
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,039
there's only been five well-documented
1092
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,360
people that'll live past 117.
1093
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,880
so the thing is you're not going to live
1094
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,039
forever but you don't have to spend the
1095
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,679
average 9.6 years of ability or 17 years
1096
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:55,279
in poor health that the average american
1097
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:56,159
is spending
1098
00:32:56,159 --> 00:32:59,600
you know giving up compromise in the
1099
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,440
last decades of life that could be your
1100
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,279
richest decades of life
1101
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,279
because of chronic degenerative diseases
1102
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,960
because we haven't taken control of our
1103
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,960
diet sleep and exercise patterns
1104
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,399
and that's what we're trying to point is
1105
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:11,760
you may not be able to live forever but
1106
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,279
you can reduce dramatically
1107
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,960
the years of debility that you have your
1108
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,799
vulnerability to infectious disease
1109
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,640
your likelihood of developing heart
1110
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,240
attack stroke and other debilitating
1111
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,039
conditions
1112
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,600
that's where the big payoff is not
1113
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,480
living forever
1114
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,320
but living well until you die having a
1115
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,080
good life and then having a good death
1116
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,760
all right so how does the fasting come
1117
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080
in though a pathway towards that
1118
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,559
so fasting is interesting because you're
1119
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,399
dealing with people that are oftentimes
1120
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:38,240
addicted to the artificial stimulation
1121
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,440
of dopamine in their brain whether it's
1122
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,480
to drugs
1123
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,200
or dietary issues fasting is a great way
1124
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,640
of breaking that cycle
1125
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,080
it can be a very effective way of
1126
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,279
getting the person to the point where
1127
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,559
good foods taste good
1128
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,159
it's a great way of lowering the blood
1129
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:51,600
pressure enough you can eliminate the
1130
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,519
the medications along with the chronic
1131
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:54,799
cough fatigue the impotence and
1132
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,480
premature death that's associated with
1133
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:56,960
them
1134
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,399
normalizing the blood sugar levels so
1135
00:33:58,399 --> 00:33:59,679
your insulin levels normalize so you
1136
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:01,279
don't have the cravings and the binging
1137
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:02,559
and all the other stuff that sometimes
1138
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:03,360
go along with it
1139
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,600
or in autoimmune diseases oftentimes
1140
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,720
pain
1141
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,560
is significant inflammation is only
1142
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,159
people can't be active they can't
1143
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,520
dissipate their attention they aren't
1144
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,639
able to engage
1145
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,399
effectively and so when you get people
1146
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:16,079
out of pain it's like an epiphany
1147
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:16,879
experience
1148
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:19,280
and now the motivation goes up it's hard
1149
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,079
to be motivated
1150
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:21,839
to make diet lifestyle changes when you
1151
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:23,199
feel like crap all the time
1152
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:24,879
but when you get a taste of feeling good
1153
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,800
again it's very motivating
1154
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,159
and now oftentimes that's enough
1155
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,480
motivation to help people overcome
1156
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,159
their addictions and their tendencies
1157
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,079
the reality is i found the most
1158
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,000
effective patients or those are most
1159
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,239
motivated and motivations that are the
1160
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,199
most powerful
1161
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,760
is pain debility and fear of death yeah
1162
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,480
100
1163
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,760
the only problem is you know a lot of
1164
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,440
these people that get out of pain and
1165
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,639
they're not fearing death anymore and
1166
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,079
then they might slip slide a little bit
1167
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,199
because they think i'm better now i
1168
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,800
don't have to work quite so hard
1169
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,560
so you know there's there's challenges
1170
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,079
on both sides but yeah
1171
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:55,280
the reality you guys have had a
1172
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,119
tremendous success with getting
1173
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,680
with keeping people on the path like the
1174
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,359
recidivism rate for you is pretty low
1175
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,320
compared to other in fairness though we
1176
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,079
have highly motivated self-selected
1177
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:08,480
people
1178
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,800
people are willing to get bad shape well
1179
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,760
they're motivated
1180
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,520
yeah it's it's one thing to talk about
1181
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,200
intermittent fasting or
1182
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,359
you know a fasting mimicking protocol
1183
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:19,119
it's another thing all together to talk
1184
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,440
about a 40-day water fast well that is a
1185
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:21,839
very
1186
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:24,960
extreme moses david elijah
1187
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,240
jesus and our patients right you know do
1188
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,440
fascinating it's interesting that
1189
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,440
fasting is you know shows up
1190
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,119
in all these various religious
1191
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,200
traditions isn't it interesting the jews
1192
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,720
the jeans the hindus the muslims the
1193
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,680
buddhists the christians
1194
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,760
all these religions that's diametrically
1195
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,119
opposed on so many things that are
1196
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:42,320
killing each other in the street over
1197
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,920
disagreements they have one thing in
1198
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,480
common
1199
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,640
and that's a tradition about fasting
1200
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,240
because fasting changes how you feel
1201
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:49,680
about yourself and the world around you
1202
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,960
you can't help it
1203
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,720
and so true north health center is not
1204
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,480
coming from a spiritual
1205
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,760
orientation we're coming from a very
1206
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,599
much of a health orientation we have
1207
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:58,880
different doctors with different
1208
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,880
backgrounds and we don't try to impose
1209
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,520
our
1210
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,359
beliefs on anybody because we're not the
1211
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:04,800
experts in you know how you get into
1212
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,160
heaven or any of that stuff
1213
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,839
our focus is health from healthful
1214
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:09,680
living but virtually every major
1215
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,040
religion has a tradition
1216
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
i mentioned not just about fasting but
1217
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,040
also about the value
1218
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,040
of a whole plant food diet you know
1219
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,480
these um
1220
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,280
traditions resonate throughout history
1221
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:21,760
and
1222
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,760
you know the reality is perhaps it's
1223
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,680
because that's what works
1224
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,480
how dare you
1225
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,320
all right so walk me through
1226
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,720
all right well first let me say this so
1227
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:35,839
in the in the
1228
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,680
decades that you've been doing this you
1229
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,880
and doug have taken
1230
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,680
and and your staff i mean i've had i've
1231
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,079
had
1232
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,400
you know chef aj in here explained to me
1233
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,119
her
1234
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,400
you know experience of being at she goes
1235
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,599
to true north like
1236
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,680
for vacation when she wants to get out
1237
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,960
of town i mean she
1238
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,480
she's got to be your most regular
1239
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400
customer um
1240
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,480
but i've had i've had dr longo talking
1241
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,920
about fasting
1242
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,040
uh who else have i had in here i've had
1243
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,640
you know true north comes up all the
1244
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,160
time on the podcast
1245
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,240
so i've heard about it anecdotally and
1246
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:09,920
over the years you've taken what like 20
1247
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,760
000 people through this
1248
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,720
fasting procedure you know and had
1249
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,240
tremendous success so i want to
1250
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:17,839
understand
1251
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,880
the the process that is entailed here
1252
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,000
somebody comes to you
1253
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,760
they're in bad shape they're overweight
1254
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,400
they have hypertension diabetes obese
1255
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,240
cardiovascular disease whatever you know
1256
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,440
this is the kind of person that's
1257
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,800
arriving in your doorstep
1258
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,560
so the first step is that they usually
1259
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,079
go to our website
1260
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,160
so they go to truenuthealth.com and they
1261
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,680
fill out the registration forms which
1262
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,160
gets us their medical history
1263
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,240
and we get their previous laboratory
1264
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,320
work that comes in and they get a free
1265
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,640
phone conversation with me so we offer
1266
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,680
people free
1267
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,200
you still do that right like still do
1268
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,640
they call up and you'll give them a free
1269
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,119
consult
1270
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,520
i still do that so i talked to them as a
1271
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,119
screening about whether or not
1272
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,119
fasting might be appropriate if anything
1273
00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:59,040
that we do or we recommend might be
1274
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,760
helpful for many people they may not
1275
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,440
even need or be ready for fasting but
1276
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,200
they may just need to talk to a doctor
1277
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,880
that's not a complete idiot so we have a
1278
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,480
phone coaching service where
1279
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,079
our attendings are available they go
1280
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,680
online through the website
1281
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,520
we have all their medical records put
1282
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640
together they can schedule a formal
1283
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640
phone call uh consultation with one of
1284
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,839
our attending physicians they can
1285
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:20,400
discuss
1286
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,599
get a second opinion they can do
1287
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,520
whatever they want to do where they talk
1288
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,960
to a doctor they can look at their
1289
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,320
history objectively
1290
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,119
and give them advice um if there are
1291
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,400
appropriate candidates
1292
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,280
for fasting then i schedule them into
1293
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,400
the
1294
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,079
center for a stay i give them an idea
1295
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,680
about what we expect as a reasonable
1296
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,440
period of time
1297
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,920
they come to the center they go through
1298
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,359
with one of our attending physicians a
1299
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:44,240
history exam
1300
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,200
laboratory monitoring we initiate them
1301
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,640
into a fasting protocol if that's
1302
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,599
appropriate
1303
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,119
and then after fasting they go through a
1304
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,560
refeeding process now while they're
1305
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:52,880
there
1306
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,480
fasting they're seen twice a day by our
1307
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,560
staff doctors we make sure it's done
1308
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,400
safely and effectively they're monitored
1309
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,119
carefully
1310
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,280
we have detailed educational classes
1311
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,720
what i call brainwashing
1312
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,560
where they're able to go through all in
1313
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,400
detail the process about what they're
1314
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,599
going to need to do why they're going to
1315
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:08,400
need to do it
1316
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,079
there's some social dynamics because
1317
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,359
they're there with other people from
1318
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:12,480
around the world that are getting a
1319
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,599
chance to do this
1320
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,599
you know our facility has about 70
1321
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:16,800
patients staying at it
1322
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,720
so they're interacting with those other
1323
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:19,920
people plus the
1324
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
the staff and the educators and so it's
1325
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,440
a pretty
1326
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680
like immersion type of inexperience they
1327
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,880
go through fasting they go through
1328
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,680
re-feeding
1329
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,839
if they have specific health problems we
1330
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,599
have chiropractors naturopaths
1331
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,440
body workers all that kind of stuff that
1332
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,280
they can get the kind of attention
1333
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,200
that they need and then when they're
1334
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,800
going home they have very specific
1335
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,160
recommendations that we expect them to
1336
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,720
follow
1337
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,320
and we try to provide follow-up support
1338
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,760
and then because of the phone coaching
1339
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,839
they're able to continue to access these
1340
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:47,359
attending doctors
1341
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:49,599
affordably without necessarily because
1342
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:50,800
you know half our people are out of
1343
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:51,119
state
1344
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,800
15 are four and they're not all living
1345
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,640
locally where they can pop in
1346
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,480
and right see our doctors or use our
1347
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,000
deli business or you know any of that
1348
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,560
kind of stuff
1349
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,240
what are what are the important vectors
1350
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,079
or variables that determine
1351
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,560
the appropriateness or you know for
1352
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,359
somebody to
1353
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,119
do one of these protocols like not
1354
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,280
everybody is suitable for this
1355
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680
no the biggest one is that they have a
1356
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,720
condition
1357
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,400
that is appropriate for fasting so
1358
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,240
there's many uh people
1359
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,000
that are not good candidates for fasting
1360
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,359
and we can talk about that
1361
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:20,319
there are some things that are
1362
00:40:20,319 --> 00:40:22,480
particularly amenable to fasting and for
1363
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,319
example the conditions that are caused
1364
00:40:24,319 --> 00:40:26,480
by dietary excess
1365
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,280
are particularly responsive to fasting
1366
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,160
it makes sense
1367
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
obesity cardiovascular disease high
1368
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,599
blood pressure
1369
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,319
type 2 diabetes autoimmune diseases
1370
00:40:36,319 --> 00:40:37,680
certain forms of cancer
1371
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,520
these conditions we know are made much
1372
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,359
worse by poor dietary choices so it's
1373
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:42,880
not shocking to find out
1374
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,640
that fasting kind of the ultimate in
1375
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,560
undoing the consequence of excess
1376
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,319
would facilitate the recovery of those
1377
00:40:48,319 --> 00:40:49,760
patients and it does and we've been able
1378
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,359
to prove that we've been publishing
1379
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:52,960
papers looking at these conditions like
1380
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,960
high blood pressure looking at diabetes
1381
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,480
looking at autoimmune diseases
1382
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,160
and the fact is we can in highly
1383
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,680
motivated patients
1384
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,440
generate safe and effective uh responses
1385
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,200
with fasting right in fact we've
1386
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,880
actually published a fasting safety
1387
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,920
study the first
1388
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,599
comprehensive look at long-term water
1389
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,160
only fasting and what the risks are in
1390
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:12,960
art
1391
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
uh in response to this process so we've
1392
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,440
been able to show it is a safe process
1393
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,640
when it's done according protocol in
1394
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,440
fact dr
1395
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
longo who cautions people in his book
1396
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,280
about long-term water fasting and its
1397
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,079
safety
1398
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:25,599
makes an exception and that's if people
1399
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,200
fast at the true north health center
1400
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,720
because he's familiar with our safety
1401
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,480
now i evaluate other scientists
1402
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,920
intelligence based on how much they
1403
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,400
agree with me right i'm glad
1404
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,720
i'm glad you know your bias is intact
1405
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:37,839
here
1406
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:41,040
um if somebody has
1407
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
anorexia nervosa or if somebody is
1408
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,560
uh you know on the other side of
1409
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,000
chemotherapy where they're
1410
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,760
maintaining their weight is an issue i
1411
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,680
would suspect that that's probably not a
1412
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,200
great candidate what about
1413
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,480
somebody who's coming in and they're on
1414
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,640
a battery of medications you would
1415
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,920
you would have to wean them off of that
1416
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,920
i would presume on some level before
1417
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,280
they could undergo this
1418
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,000
yeah you know there's um most
1419
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,079
medications you do not water fast while
1420
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,520
you're taking medications those have to
1421
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,240
be weaned down
1422
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,160
beforehand but we have physicians that
1423
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,520
are experts at helping people
1424
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,440
unwind the consequences of their medical
1425
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,359
treatment and most medications
1426
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:18,720
interestingly enough
1427
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,040
the day you change the diet you have to
1428
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,800
begin changing the medication profile
1429
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,480
right because most medications are
1430
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,160
treating the diet
1431
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,480
most people are being treated that is
1432
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,280
medicated
1433
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,839
for their diet when you change their
1434
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:32,400
diet
1435
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,240
the need for medication dramatically
1436
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:35,839
responds you have to reduce
1437
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,200
the blood pressure medication you start
1438
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,720
crashing these patients because they're
1439
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,480
not going to be hypertensive
1440
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,560
once you eliminate the reasons why
1441
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,760
they're hypertensive
1442
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,599
and they're not going to be needing the
1443
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,040
same level of medication once you
1444
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,640
normalize their dietary intake as far as
1445
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,760
their diabetes or
1446
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,200
getting them off their pain medication
1447
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,480
once they don't have the pain they don't
1448
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,079
need to be on all that oxy
1449
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:55,520
because now the pain is being reduced
1450
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,400
because the inflammation has been
1451
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,920
reduced because of the dietary change
1452
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,760
and then ultimately the fasting
1453
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,839
so that's one of the reasons why fasting
1454
00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:03,280
does need to be done in a controlled
1455
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,640
medically supervised setting it's not
1456
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,000
the kind of thing that you do
1457
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,440
long-term fasting at home at home right
1458
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,000
you know
1459
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,520
so you do that in a controlled setting
1460
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,359
where there's been a proper history exam
1461
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:15,040
lab and daily monitoring so we're seeing
1462
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,560
each of these patients twice a day
1463
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,160
and that's how we're able to ensure that
1464
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,480
this is a safe and effective experience
1465
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,880
so they may withdraw their medication
1466
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,079
with careful feeding
1467
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,599
initiate the fasting normalize the
1468
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,359
condition and then after we're done
1469
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:28,800
most of the time there's no need for
1470
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,560
medication because their blood pres you
1471
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,240
know they've gone from 220 over 120
1472
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,520
capped out on five meds
1473
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,440
to being 120 over 70 off medication
1474
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,960
and so there's no reason for anybody to
1475
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,800
want to put them back on drugs that
1476
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640
cause chronic cough fatigue impedance
1477
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,839
and premature death
1478
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,280
if the condition is actually normalized
1479
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,040
now the side problem is
1480
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,480
you have to keep on the healthy diet and
1481
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560
lifestyle yeah because you're not curing
1482
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,200
anything
1483
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,119
you're just managing it but you've
1484
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,200
rebooted this operating system
1485
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,680
and wiped the slate clean so you can
1486
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,960
build a new foundation
1487
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,720
it's very much like treating a you know
1488
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,400
when your computer becomes corrupted and
1489
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,680
you don't know exactly what's wrong but
1490
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,440
you turn the thing off you turn it on
1491
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,400
you can't explain
1492
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,440
but now it's working right and it seems
1493
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,119
and we're trying to figure out exactly
1494
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,359
what those changes are that's occurring
1495
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:14,800
uh in fasting the i know the
1496
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,960
pharmaceutical injury is very interested
1497
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,160
in what's happening because they want to
1498
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,680
come up with what are called fasting
1499
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,280
mimicking drugs
1500
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,960
they want drugs that will do just what
1501
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,880
fasting does to you but without that
1502
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,839
nasty fasting
1503
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,119
that's something that they can sell in a
1504
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,359
pill yeah so a lot of the research
1505
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:31,040
of interest is trying to figure out what
1506
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,560
exactly is it that's happening in
1507
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,240
fasting that's allowing the body to get
1508
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:35,760
well so that we can try to reproduce
1509
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,800
that without having to go through the
1510
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,079
process right i mean that's my next
1511
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,240
series of questions like does it have to
1512
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,119
be
1513
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,560
water only what is it about that
1514
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,160
deprivation protocol that is so special
1515
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,520
um you know uh physiologically
1516
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,640
that is causing this cascade of positive
1517
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,160
impacts like what would happen if you
1518
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,599
were eating a little bit i mean i know
1519
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:57,920
what
1520
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,040
longo has this fastic fasting mimicking
1521
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,040
um protocol where he is allowing people
1522
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,560
to eat something like i don't know 600
1523
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,760
calories a day
1524
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,000
and he's able to reap some of the
1525
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,079
benefits of what you're experiencing
1526
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,319
without having to go on a complete water
1527
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:13,200
fast but
1528
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,040
what is happening to the body when
1529
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,280
you're depriving it of food in such a
1530
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,520
you know comprehensive way yeah the
1531
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,440
intermittent fasting protocols are just
1532
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,000
that
1533
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,720
fasting mimicking diets or fasting
1534
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,720
mimicking programs trying to reproduce
1535
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,880
some of the changes that we know occur
1536
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,440
with fasting without the risk profile or
1537
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,119
the complications of long-term water
1538
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:33,920
only fasting
1539
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,440
and i think they can be very effective
1540
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,200
as they've demonstrated
1541
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,560
however long-term water-only fasting
1542
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,760
has a much more profound impact on these
1543
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,280
mechanisms that are associated with
1544
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,640
fasting for example
1545
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,240
just the most obvious is weight loss you
1546
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:51,680
know when you're water fasting you're
1547
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,960
going to lose an average of a pound a
1548
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:53,760
day
1549
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,200
now some people say well you lose weight
1550
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,040
but then you gain it back afterwards now
1551
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,280
interesting we've done a study we have
1552
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,040
now uh recently acquired a
1553
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,880
hologix dexa scanner with the new
1554
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,160
software that allows you to do a whole
1555
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,839
body detail composition it looks not
1556
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:06,560
just a
1557
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,160
percent body fat but how much visceral
1558
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,240
fat there is and we have a paper that
1559
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,760
will be coming out that looks at
1560
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,200
the fact that yes you lose a bunch of
1561
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,720
weight fasting and you regain some
1562
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,400
weight after fasting but it turns out
1563
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,880
the weak weight you regain after fasting
1564
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,319
when you're eating a whole plant food
1565
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,560
diet is exclusively water
1566
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960
fiber glycogen and protein there is no
1567
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,440
fat in fact the fat profile continues to
1568
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,880
drop during re-feeding
1569
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,079
even though the scale weight obviously
1570
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,839
goes up as you rehydrate put some fiber
1571
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:32,640
back into right
1572
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,160
as long as you adopt as long as you
1573
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,000
continue to adopt the whole plant food
1574
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,480
healthy
1575
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,319
you know dietary style but the point
1576
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:39,839
that the old wives tale was well you
1577
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,440
lose fat and you just gain the fat right
1578
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,160
back well
1579
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,520
that might be true if you go back to
1580
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,200
eating greasy fatty slimy dead decaying
1581
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,640
flesh processed foods but that's not
1582
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,599
what's happening
1583
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,599
in these patients that we're re-feeding
1584
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:50,800
appropriately
1585
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,720
and so weight goes up but what the
1586
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,720
weight that goes up is re-elementing
1587
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,160
your glycogen stores and
1588
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,160
muscle stripes which is really exciting
1589
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,520
so preferentially
1590
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,440
not just do you lose fat but you
1591
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,119
preferentially lose
1592
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,160
visceral fat that the ratio of visceral
1593
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,200
fat to adipose tissue loss is 3.0
1594
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,200
in other words there's a significant
1595
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,359
preferential immobilization of this very
1596
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:15,200
type of fat that we think is most
1597
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,640
compromising to health
1598
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,880
the fat the abdominal fat stores around
1599
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,079
the organs so
1600
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,319
now we have what may turn out to be an
1601
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:24,079
effective strategy of specifically
1602
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,520
mobilizing visceral fat
1603
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,760
now we've done some preliminary work we
1604
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,280
have we're actually enrolling patients
1605
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,880
in the study starting in august
1606
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,640
looking specifically at body composition
1607
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,640
changes long term with follow-up so
1608
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,000
you know we'll be able to speak more
1609
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,079
definitively about it by the end of the
1610
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:39,200
year
1611
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,960
there's also a process that happens in
1612
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,400
water fasting that you don't see as
1613
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,119
profoundly
1614
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,880
influenced in juice diets or modified
1615
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,880
diets and that's natural resistance
1616
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,240
there's a selective mobilization
1617
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,680
elimination of excess sodium from the
1618
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,000
body
1619
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,079
and water fasting it happens right away
1620
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:55,760
it's very powerful more powerful than
1621
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,520
say taking hydrochlorothiazide or a
1622
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,319
diuretic
1623
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:01,040
and it's responsible for the big dump in
1624
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,280
fluids that happens initially on fasting
1625
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,640
that drops blood pressure so
1626
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,319
dramatically gets rid of the congestive
1627
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:07,760
heart failure symptoms that eliminate
1628
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,599
some of the arthritic symptoms and joint
1629
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:10,240
swelling
1630
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,480
and the non-healing wounds and this by
1631
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,319
selectively getting rid of this excess
1632
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:15,760
sodium that's accumulated
1633
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,200
that the body's having to deal with
1634
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,280
because of the dietary choices
1635
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,680
the traditional justification for
1636
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,240
fasting was the idea of detoxification
1637
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,319
this idea that there's toxins in the
1638
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,480
body and now we know that's
1639
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,319
true they've actually been able to
1640
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:31,839
that's controversial well it's actually
1641
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,359
not controversial in the sense that you
1642
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,359
can take a fat biopsy of a human
1643
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:36,720
and break it down and you'll find
1644
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,400
there's hundreds of different chemicals
1645
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,160
there at various concentrations pcb
1646
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,480
dioxin pesticide residues mercury
1647
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,079
and the only thing that's controversial
1648
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:45,520
is that oh well it doesn't matter
1649
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,599
well it turns out it does matter it just
1650
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:48,880
matters at different thresholds to
1651
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,920
different people
1652
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,920
and so this this idea of rapidly
1653
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,160
mobilizing toxins during fasting
1654
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,880
has been so uh well accepted by some
1655
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,400
that they say that's the reason not to
1656
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,920
fast because the body would rapidly
1657
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,680
mobilize these fat soluble nutrients too
1658
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:02,720
quickly and your body wouldn't know what
1659
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:03,359
it's doing
1660
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,440
and it would overload your system unless
1661
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,440
you take their proprietary products
1662
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,079
then apparently it's okay but what our
1663
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:11,440
experience has been that there is a
1664
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,880
rapid detoxification
1665
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,160
we know that there are some studies
1666
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,000
looking at they've even done total body
1667
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,839
load measurements before and after
1668
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,079
fasting and showed that pcb levels would
1669
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:20,960
drop
1670
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,240
um clinically you're not taking any
1671
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:25,680
chemicals into your body
1672
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,200
and you're allowing the liver and the
1673
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,280
kidneys to just do what they do
1674
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,599
right but it's more than just what you
1675
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:32,480
would calculate
1676
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
through burning 2000 calories of
1677
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,720
internal fluids there's a selective and
1678
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,400
rapid mobilization for example
1679
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,640
with tumors let's say you have a breast
1680
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,520
tumor
1681
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,920
and you lose 10 percent of your body
1682
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,559
weight
1683
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:45,760
you would assume that you'd probably
1684
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,160
lose 10 percent of your tumor weight but
1685
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,040
what happens in
1686
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,520
the for example in lymphoma you lose 100
1687
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,400
of the tumor
1688
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,480
so the body's preferentially mobilizing
1689
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,400
some nutrient stores
1690
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,920
versus others and it seems to be able to
1691
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,359
do that in inverse proportion of the
1692
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:00,319
value of those
1693
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:01,839
tissues to the body right so it's
1694
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:03,599
getting the visceral fat which we think
1695
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,359
isn't probably healthful fat
1696
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:09,040
before it's mobilizing adipose fat and
1697
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,559
certainly before it's getting to
1698
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,160
critical nerve tissues and other things
1699
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,839
that are preserved the body has an
1700
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:16,160
intelligence where it's unwinding itself
1701
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,760
and what we're suggesting is
1702
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,760
it appears that both endogenous and
1703
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,520
exogenous toxins are preferentially
1704
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,280
mobilized in water only fasting
1705
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,800
at a much more powerful rate than they
1706
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:25,760
are saying when you're going on a
1707
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,640
healthy diet
1708
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,960
and lifestyle and that may be a way a
1709
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,559
justification for
1710
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,720
trying to facilitate and speed this
1711
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:33,680
process
1712
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,839
there's also the effect on enzymatic
1713
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:38,480
induction think about athletes
1714
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,920
one of the things of being a trained
1715
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,920
athlete is you induce for example
1716
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,000
glycogenolytic enzyme systems you get
1717
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,000
better at mobilizing glycogen stores and
1718
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,440
you know this whole business of carb
1719
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,800
loading and trying to increase
1720
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,520
uh glycogen storage so you have more to
1721
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,960
pull on so that you don't hit the wall
1722
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,079
so quickly when you're running that
1723
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:55,520
marathon or whatever you get through
1724
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,720
that process
1725
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,640
though that isn't induced with
1726
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,079
persistent exercise
1727
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,079
the same enzymatic production for
1728
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:03,119
glycogen for
1729
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,520
what balitic enzymes for a protein for
1730
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,400
gluconeogenesis
1731
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,880
enzyme systems is induced during fasting
1732
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,480
because you have to mobilize
1733
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,559
all your glycogen stores you're entering
1734
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,160
the chamber you're taking that battery
1735
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,079
and draining it all the way down
1736
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:18,400
and and it's suggested that not only do
1737
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,760
you induce
1738
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,359
improved efficiency of enzyme systems
1739
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:22,880
but they persist
1740
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,480
after fasting which is just like you get
1741
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,839
better and better at exercising every
1742
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:26,559
time you do it
1743
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,000
you get better and better at fasting
1744
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,760
every time you do it which is perhaps
1745
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,960
one of the justifications for
1746
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,800
intermittent fasting if you fast 16
1747
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,079
hours every day
1748
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:35,680
and you limit your feeding window to an
1749
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,920
eight hour window you may be inducing
1750
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,960
some changes in that
1751
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,280
even that limited fast that 16 hour fast
1752
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,040
day after day after week after month
1753
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,920
cumulatively
1754
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,839
that may have a very profound effect on
1755
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:47,200
body physiology and that's one of the
1756
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,559
suggestions that's being made by those
1757
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:49,440
advocating
1758
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,440
intermittent fasting or short periods of
1759
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,960
fasting that cumulatively may be
1760
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,440
well when you do a long term fast this
1761
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,160
is a
1762
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,640
huge impact and now this is some of the
1763
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,400
stuff we're working with people like
1764
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,000
luigi fontana from washington university
1765
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,280
where they're looking at changes in
1766
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,000
microbiome
1767
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,520
changes in whole body composition
1768
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,040
changes in these
1769
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,160
these various exotic biomarkers and what
1770
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,760
happens in short-term and long-term
1771
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,240
fasting
1772
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,920
nobody knows yet because we're really
1773
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,520
the only people doing
1774
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,440
and monitoring long-term water only
1775
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,359
fasting and its physiological effects
1776
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:21,040
so this is all virgin data and very
1777
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,599
exciting but what we can see clinically
1778
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:24,720
is that
1779
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,200
when you induce changes with exercise or
1780
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,040
you induce changes with fasting they're
1781
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,599
often
1782
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,480
the same changes if you look for example
1783
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,839
exercise people that
1784
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:37,920
exercise two rats in a cage genetically
1785
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,880
identical give one rat an exercise wheel
1786
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,000
and the other not
1787
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,079
everything else is equal the rats with
1788
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,040
the exercise wheel
1789
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,520
one they'll use it and number two they
1790
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,960
don't get alzheimer's disease and
1791
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,760
dementia
1792
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,319
and they said well why why does exercise
1793
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,000
prevent how does exercise prevent
1794
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,040
dementia
1795
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,240
and they look at those rats and they
1796
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,000
find out that bdnf brain derived
1797
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,200
neurotrophic factor
1798
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,280
is dramatically higher and rats that get
1799
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,400
their exercise
1800
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,319
lower and those that don't the ones that
1801
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:05,440
don't much more vulnerable to
1802
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,480
alzheimer's
1803
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,880
well bdnf it turns out the precursor to
1804
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,960
that is beta-hydroxybutyric acid which
1805
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,240
is the fatty acid that your brain is
1806
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:13,839
preferentially mobilizing during water
1807
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:14,960
only fasting
1808
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,200
bdnf goes up with water fasting just
1809
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,160
like it does in
1810
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,280
exercise glycogen mobilizing enzymes go
1811
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,040
up and exercise just like they do in
1812
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,760
fasting
1813
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,680
in fact all of the biomarkers that we've
1814
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,280
been able to look at that are improved
1815
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,640
with exercise
1816
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,480
improve with fasting which is weird
1817
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,920
because you think wait a second
1818
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,440
exercise you're up vigorously running
1819
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,440
around inducing all these changes
1820
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,640
fasting you're sitting around we don't
1821
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,160
even let you exercise much you maybe can
1822
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,280
do a little yoga
1823
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,960
how is it that they would do the same
1824
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,559
thing to the body but when you think
1825
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:43,440
about it
1826
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,400
exercise and fasting are both reversing
1827
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,280
the consequences of dietary excess
1828
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,440
when you exercise vigorously when you
1829
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,599
fast you're undoing the consequence of
1830
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:54,319
diatrixes
1831
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,400
i'm not surprised at all that fasting
1832
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,000
induces the same kind of bio changes
1833
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,280
that we see with exercise
1834
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,880
in fact for us it's saving a lot of time
1835
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,480
because we just look at all that fast
1836
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,839
exercise literature
1837
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:05,200
and start looking for the things they've
1838
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,800
discovered and seeing how much of it's
1839
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,440
mimicking
1840
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,400
mimicked with fasting um i think that
1841
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,319
both of these processes fasting and
1842
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:12,960
exercise
1843
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,559
share a common biological benefit
1844
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,079
and that's why we're seeing the
1845
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,000
biomarkers changing with both
1846
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,240
that is crazy the other thing that
1847
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,640
happens is insulin insulin is the
1848
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,160
hormone that drives sugar from the
1849
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:26,800
bloodstream
1850
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,119
into the cells where it's needed to burn
1851
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,040
so if you look at type 2 diabetics you
1852
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,800
might assume mistakenly that they don't
1853
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,680
have enough insulin
1854
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:34,960
they have plenty of insulin they have
1855
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,440
more insulin it doesn't work
1856
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,119
because there's insulin resistance
1857
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,559
there's resistance to the insulin
1858
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,240
carrying out its function
1859
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,480
so what drug can you take that reverses
1860
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,920
insulin resistance
1861
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,359
there isn't any there's drugs that will
1862
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:49,040
force sugar bond the cell and they have
1863
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,400
all kinds of side effects
1864
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,680
what can you do to reduce insulin
1865
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,160
resistance well you could exercise
1866
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,040
you know that helps weight loss healthy
1867
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,160
diet
1868
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,880
um you can fast fasting has a profound
1869
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,559
effect on insulin resistance in fact
1870
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,319
as much as 80 percent of our type 2
1871
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:06,079
diabetics can achieve normal blood sugar
1872
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:07,680
levels without medication
1873
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,280
and if they're willing to continue to do
1874
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,960
the diet and the exercise they can often
1875
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,799
sustain those results now you might say
1876
00:55:12,799 --> 00:55:13,920
well couldn't they do that with just
1877
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:14,880
diet and exercise
1878
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,440
absolutely many diabetics that are able
1879
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:18,880
to make aggressive diet lifestyle
1880
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,799
changes over enough time are successful
1881
00:55:20,799 --> 00:55:22,000
at resolving and reversing their
1882
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,079
diabetes but it's difficult for people
1883
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:25,440
that aren't able to do it on their own
1884
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,720
that's where we would use
1885
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,000
the next level of support and
1886
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,440
intervention which is fasting it can
1887
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,720
also be a little tricky
1888
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,240
unwinding the medications and all that
1889
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,160
kind of stuff so you know doing whatever
1890
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,680
it is whether it's feeding or fasting in
1891
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,200
conjunction with doctors that are
1892
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,040
able to be supportive and that have an
1893
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,559
expectation of you getting well is
1894
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,079
important now think about it
1895
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,400
if you go to a doctor and you've lost
1896
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,359
weight
1897
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:47,440
does the doctor assume you've adopted a
1898
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,040
healthy diet
1899
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,240
no they assume you've
1900
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,680
got an eating disorder you're a drug
1901
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,760
addict or you're dying of cancer
1902
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,520
you know that's the differential colon
1903
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,359
cancer eating disorder
1904
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:01,599
drug addiction because many doctors have
1905
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,200
never had an experience of a diabetic
1906
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,559
getting well i gave a lecture
1907
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:07,599
this year in texas at a medical
1908
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:08,640
conference
1909
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,160
for physicians who specialize in
1910
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,480
diabetes so there's 250 people there
1911
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,839
what are they serving them pulled pork
1912
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:15,440
sandwiches chocolate cake
1913
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,200
you know most of them are overweight or
1914
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,440
obese i do my presentation
1915
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,920
i explain our results afterwards one of
1916
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,839
the ducks comes up he's about maybe 70
1917
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:25,040
80 pounds overweight
1918
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,200
he says you know i've been in practice
1919
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,359
25 years treating diabetics
1920
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,799
i've never seen one get well he's never
1921
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:35,200
had the experience of a single
1922
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,920
patient recovering stabilizing his blood
1923
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,280
sugar taking off medication
1924
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,400
it's not part of the paradigm
1925
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,599
how likely is he going to give
1926
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,040
meaningful diet and lifestyle advice to
1927
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:45,920
a patient when he
1928
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,920
doesn't do it himself doesn't believe
1929
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,960
doesn't even know
1930
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,720
that it would work or even if you
1931
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:51,760
thought it would work knows the
1932
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:52,799
patient's not going to do it because
1933
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:54,079
people don't make diet lifestyle changes
1934
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:55,200
he's seen the literature
1935
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,000
93 recidivism rate that that you know
1936
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:58,400
you
1937
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,079
is to ask people to make diet lifestyle
1938
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,240
changes very difficult
1939
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:03,599
so when you get up and you give a
1940
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,280
presentation like that to
1941
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,440
that type of audience what is the
1942
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,359
receptivity to what you're saying
1943
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:13,040
well in the past it was aggressively
1944
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,319
negative
1945
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:16,559
now it's actually becoming where at
1946
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,319
least a percentage of the audience is
1947
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:21,440
actually interested the way that we made
1948
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,799
that contact was
1949
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:24,720
one of the doctors that that runs the
1950
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,400
residency training program came in
1951
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,720
had his own experience wanted it for his
1952
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,599
students and now
1953
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,359
those second and third year residents
1954
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:33,119
can rotate as part of their training
1955
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:34,400
at the true north health center so they
1956
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,920
can get the experience of actually doing
1957
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,119
something that some of them have
1958
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,280
never done before which is see these
1959
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,960
patients get well
1960
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,480
because under a conventional treatment
1961
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,559
you don't get to do that and it turns
1962
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:45,839
out there's some doctors that rings
1963
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:46,480
their bell
1964
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,240
they like the idea of patients getting
1965
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,760
well and so they're willing to put the
1966
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,280
extra time and energy and effort in
1967
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,799
but if you're in a traditional system if
1968
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,079
you're an hmo system and you're a
1969
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:55,760
physician and you have to see 26 patient
1970
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:56,960
contacts a day
1971
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,960
do you think you have time to review
1972
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,319
their history do an exam
1973
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:01,760
write the prescriptions and then sit and
1974
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,040
ch chat about them why they've got to
1975
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,520
give up everything that they eat
1976
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,599
for that no it's not set up for that
1977
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,280
it's not set up for the accountability
1978
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,799
that's required to
1979
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:12,880
get somebody to maintain any kind of
1980
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,319
lifestyle change protocol
1981
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:16,799
anyway and i'm not sure many of them
1982
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:18,079
even realize that it's
1983
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:19,520
actually worth their time because
1984
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,960
they've never actually seen it happen
1985
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,160
before
1986
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,440
so you know and of course the criticism
1987
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,799
is well yeah but you're working with
1988
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:28,640
special patients well that's true
1989
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,160
we're working with the people that are
1990
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,079
highly motivated self-selected willing
1991
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:33,680
to make diet lifestyle changes
1992
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,680
it is a self i'm not saying you can take
1993
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,880
our advice give it to everybody and
1994
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,000
everybody's just going to go
1995
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,000
oh great whole plant food diet just what
1996
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,000
i wanted that's not the reality
1997
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,920
but for people that are willing and
1998
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,440
interested they should at least have the
1999
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,079
right
2000
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,160
somebody should listen well you could go
2001
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,000
on this diet and lifestyle
2002
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,520
you know but it's a lot of work or you
2003
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,720
can just take these pills and you'll be
2004
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,599
sick forever
2005
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,280
what do you want to do you know but they
2006
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,799
don't even know that it's not i can
2007
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:58,319
guarantee this physician i was talking
2008
00:58:58,319 --> 00:58:59,920
to never tells his patients well if you
2009
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:00,400
did
2010
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,079
radical and diet lifestyle changes you
2011
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:03,760
could get i'll give you an example my
2012
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,040
brother my brother's six years older so
2013
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,079
we're raised together he's
2014
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,200
slowly gaining weight his wife
2015
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,119
adopts our diet comes in and fast
2016
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:16,559
overcomes her own health issues
2017
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,880
he's on a vegan program 15 years later
2018
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,079
my brother's still eating chicken and
2019
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:21,520
doing stuff and getting fatter and he's
2020
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:21,920
got
2021
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,520
he can't play volleyball anymore his
2022
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,119
legs all swollen up
2023
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:26,720
i you know i'm poking him but he he
2024
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,000
won't do anything finally he calls me
2025
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,119
from the hospital
2026
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:32,400
he says alan i'm in the hospital i had a
2027
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,079
heart attack
2028
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,119
i said that's great he goes no no no you
2029
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:37,680
don't hear
2030
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,680
i had a heart attack i said i hurt you
2031
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,760
best thing that could have happened so
2032
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,440
he said oh they want to do a quadruple
2033
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,079
bypass
2034
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,480
and i said well talk to your surgeon ask
2035
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,319
the surgeon says
2036
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:52,000
if you do a bypass won't they plug up
2037
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,520
again and search
2038
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,799
yeah eventually but you know lasts
2039
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:56,640
longer than stenson he says
2040
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,480
what if i made radical diet and
2041
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,000
lifestyle change
2042
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,480
he said the surgeon laughed at him he
2043
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,280
said mark
2044
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,680
you're not gonna make diet and lifestyle
2045
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,440
changes come on
2046
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,680
checked himself out got on a whole plant
2047
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,040
food sos free diet
2048
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,040
lost the 50 pounds back to playing
2049
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,799
volleyball past his stress test still
2050
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:15,760
has his vessels
2051
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,839
wow but my own brother it took yeah it's
2052
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,520
willing and ability
2053
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,359
it's just like in 12 step it's like it's
2054
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:22,880
all about willingness
2055
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,880
and pain is is the fulcrum for that
2056
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,400
right when people are in a desperate
2057
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,760
state or they've suffered
2058
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,599
a you know a severe medical
2059
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,760
you know trauma like that then they're
2060
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,040
ready to actually
2061
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,799
implement those kinds of changes short
2062
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:40,640
of that it's very difficult and i think
2063
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,520
that
2064
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,240
speaks to the pessimism that most
2065
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,400
practitioners have about the
2066
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,319
you know the viability of advising
2067
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:49,760
somebody to change their lifestyle
2068
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,319
habits
2069
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:52,079
absolutely i completely understand this
2070
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:53,760
is amongst the most difficult thing you
2071
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,960
can ask a patient to do
2072
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,640
adopt a health promoting diet in a world
2073
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,920
designed to make you fat sick and
2074
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,640
miserable
2075
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,640
not an easy task certainly not for
2076
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,680
sissies
2077
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,040
and in my brother's case you know he had
2078
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,040
the advantage his wife my sister-in-law
2079
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,160
already
2080
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,640
doing the work of providing support to
2081
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,359
the family with
2082
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:11,839
healthy food and stuff but still
2083
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:12,480
difficult
2084
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,079
now i just saw him a few days it looks
2085
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,000
great completely different person
2086
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,839
do you think he's going to like oh no it
2087
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,599
wasn't worth it you know no it's the
2088
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,119
best thing he's ever done
2089
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,480
fabulous so you you approach fasting
2090
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,599
from a perspective
2091
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,880
of of um weight management and also
2092
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,200
disease prevention and reversal but
2093
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,799
there's al also all this emerging
2094
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,200
science around longevity and anti-aging
2095
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,880
of course that's longo's you know
2096
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,040
specific lens on this but
2097
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,079
by dint of autophagy and all these other
2098
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,880
you know like sort of you know
2099
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,799
biomechanical systems that are affected
2100
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:48,960
by fasting there's now this whole
2101
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,880
world of research opening up around
2102
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,880
prolonging life as a result of
2103
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,559
this i actually think the people that
2104
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:55,920
are going to turn out to get the most
2105
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,119
benefit from fasting
2106
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:58,880
this one in two week fast that we do
2107
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,119
with healthy people is healthy people
2108
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:02,640
healthy people that are looking to stay
2109
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,119
healthy too for example to avoid
2110
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,799
vulnerability of infectious disease to
2111
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,559
avoid the problems that you know not
2112
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:09,839
waiting like my brother did until he has
2113
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:11,200
a heart attack but the people that are
2114
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:12,640
willing to use it to prevent the
2115
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,760
problems from beginning
2116
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,200
and interestingly enough i've been
2117
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,960
communicating with walter long ago
2118
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,799
recently about doing a joint study where
2119
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:19,760
we're going to use his
2120
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,440
expertise and access
2121
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,680
and our facility to do some look not
2122
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,359
just at intermittent fasting
2123
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:28,960
but long-term fasting and compare and
2124
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,720
contrast and see what the very best bang
2125
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,480
for the buck so to speak of is in terms
2126
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:32,799
of
2127
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:34,880
taking healthy people and helping them
2128
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,400
stay that way we've got a study that's
2129
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,520
planned for next year looking
2130
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,920
specifically exotic biomarker changes
2131
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,520
with these dietary changes with fasting
2132
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,280
and then trying to differentiate
2133
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,039
how much fasting how frequently what's
2134
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,280
the right combination that's all
2135
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,480
relatively new uh territory you know
2136
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:51,200
there's other
2137
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,400
impacts of fasting that are not as well
2138
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:55,520
recognized for example
2139
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,680
the gut you have a tunnel through your
2140
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,280
body that starts your mouth and it goes
2141
01:02:59,280 --> 01:02:59,920
down your
2142
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,359
esophagus and your stomach and your
2143
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:03,280
intestinal tract and gets to the rectum
2144
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,880
you've got a hole at one end and another
2145
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,319
hole at the other end and digestion is
2146
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,319
essentially shoving things in one hole
2147
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:09,920
trying to push it out the other hole but
2148
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,440
it's only the stuff that gets absorbed
2149
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:12,960
the intestinal mucosa that enters the
2150
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,000
body
2151
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,400
and that intestinal mucosa acts like a
2152
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,359
screen
2153
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:19,200
keeping flies out if the screen becomes
2154
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,440
inflamed things can leak through that's
2155
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,119
essentially what gut leakage is
2156
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,119
and the things that cause inflammation
2157
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,440
of the gut we believe are free radicals
2158
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,520
that come from not just smoking or
2159
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,200
drinking alcohol
2160
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,720
you know smoking it's obvious you see
2161
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,160
smoker's face cross-linked collagen
2162
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,520
tissues we know that's
2163
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,039
cross-linkaging from the free radicals
2164
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:39,039
from smoking it also affects the
2165
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:40,880
animal lining of the blood vessels it's
2166
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,799
my contention that cigarette smoking may
2167
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:46,000
protect people from getting lung cancer
2168
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,400
actually protects people well think
2169
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,039
about it
2170
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:50,880
eighty percent of smokers say that come
2171
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,960
on eighty percent of smokers never get
2172
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,079
lung cancer
2173
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,920
and twenty percent of smokers get cancer
2174
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,920
and i believe it's because smoking kills
2175
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,520
people from heart attacks before they
2176
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,760
live long enough to grow their tumors
2177
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,200
because of the damage to the animal
2178
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,799
lining of vessels
2179
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,400
cardiovascular disease may occur
2180
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,000
slightly quicker than the
2181
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,079
inevitable lung cancer would have and so
2182
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:11,760
if you could make smoking more dangerous
2183
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,520
and kill everybody from heart disease
2184
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,880
perhaps they could advertise it as
2185
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,640
cancer safe
2186
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,000
okay now i understand
2187
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,079
well you know they say statistics don't
2188
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:24,160
lie that liars use statistics
2189
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,920
and the fact is you can look at these
2190
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,920
this data and twist it around
2191
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,280
in a way that sounds good even though
2192
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,280
it's completely ridiculous right smoking
2193
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:32,960
damages animal lining it damage it
2194
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,240
causes lung cancer
2195
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,119
alcohol peroxidation of alcohol leads to
2196
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:38,559
cirrhosis of the liver
2197
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,000
why do you think people that drink a lot
2198
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,839
of alcohol get fatty liver it's a scar
2199
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,200
tissue that comes from the
2200
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,520
detoxifying effect of that nasty alcohol
2201
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,880
but today they're trying to tell you
2202
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,240
that alcohol is health food
2203
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,319
if you don't drink you should start that
2204
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:51,920
resveratrol a little bit of
2205
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,760
powerful antioxidant from this grape
2206
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,680
skin is some justification for drinking
2207
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,319
alcohol
2208
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:57,680
they're trying to take oh it thins the
2209
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,599
blood like aspirin does so if you're on
2210
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,680
a greasy fatty slimy dead decaying flesh
2211
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,359
diet and risk of clotting stroke
2212
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:04,799
that thinning effect is going to reduce
2213
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:06,079
your risk of dying from a clotting
2214
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:07,359
stroke which might be true
2215
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:08,640
but you're going to increase your risk
2216
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,079
from a hemorrhagic stroke you're not
2217
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,839
going to reduce your all-cause mortality
2218
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:13,280
so the only reason to drink alcohol is
2219
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,799
if you'd rather die of a bleeding stroke
2220
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,240
than a clotting stroke maybe that's a
2221
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,839
justification
2222
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:21,599
you're a passionate man dr goldhammer
2223
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:25,920
why is it that uh why 40 days or 21 days
2224
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,440
like what is it about that extended
2225
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,720
period that's so important
2226
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,880
well what we do is we want to fast as
2227
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,559
short as possible but long enough to get
2228
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:33,599
the problem resolved
2229
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,039
and so it's not like we're setting out
2230
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,039
to try to beat jesus in the in fasting
2231
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,480
duration
2232
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,880
we don't go over 40 days generally
2233
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,640
because if you keep the fasts
2234
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,480
under 40 days there's few metabolic
2235
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,079
complications as you start getting into
2236
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:47,359
the really long fasts
2237
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:49,520
the 60 days the 80 days the longer fast
2238
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,960
that were done in the past
2239
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,480
it's a much more delicate balance in
2240
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,920
terms of electrolyte balance and other
2241
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:54,319
things
2242
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:56,400
and so the guy that i trained with alec
2243
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,240
burton in australia used to do fast as
2244
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,000
long as 100 days or longer
2245
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000
and i asked him by the time i got there
2246
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,559
that was 36 years ago
2247
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:07,599
he was no longer doing over 40 days as a
2248
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:08,400
routine just
2249
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,160
very occasionally and i said why and he
2250
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,280
said well because of the sleep
2251
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,720
deprivation
2252
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,400
i said oh i didn't know that patients
2253
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:15,760
had any more trouble
2254
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,079
sleeping on long-term fascicles oh no
2255
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:19,119
not the patients
2256
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:22,240
me he had sleep deprivation he was just
2257
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,680
worried too much yeah he'd worry too
2258
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,559
much about it so he
2259
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,960
he decided to keep it to 40 days because
2260
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,640
we knew from experience that that was
2261
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,079
the period of time you could go without
2262
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,599
getting into more of the
2263
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:33,599
complications and there's no electrolyte
2264
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:34,960
supplementation or
2265
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,720
vitamin and mineral supplementation
2266
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,400
during this period you're looking at me
2267
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:38,720
like
2268
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,520
there's crazy water only fasting is the
2269
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,680
complete abstinence of all substances
2270
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,319
except pure water in an environment a
2271
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:47,839
particular kind of water
2272
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:49,359
we use fractionally steam distilled
2273
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:51,280
water just because it's pure water
2274
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,480
patients that are fasting get really
2275
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,400
sensitive they won't tolerate municipal
2276
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,160
contamination and other stuff they just
2277
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,920
want pure water it's h2o it's just what
2278
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,079
rainwater would be if the environment
2279
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,280
wasn't polluted and so anytime you start
2280
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,480
supplementing like for example there
2281
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,079
were some long-term fasts done by
2282
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:07,599
medical authorities that that killed
2283
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:08,319
people
2284
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:09,599
and the reason why is because they
2285
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:11,039
supplemented what they would do is they
2286
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,640
would supplement potassium if potassium
2287
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:13,680
got low but
2288
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,359
if you don't allow something to be the
2289
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:17,039
rate limiting nutrient and you're not
2290
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:18,480
measuring obviously everything that's
2291
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,920
possible to be measured
2292
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,359
you can get into depletion of something
2293
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:22,880
else and they did you see evidence in
2294
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,319
the literature of myocardial fibril
2295
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:25,680
breakdown or other problems that you'll
2296
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:26,319
not see
2297
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,079
if you don't let the rate limiting
2298
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,520
nutrients be rate limiting for example
2299
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,680
potassium is pretty sensitive
2300
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,280
if you don't supplement potassium and
2301
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,119
you use potassium as a rate limiting
2302
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,359
mineral all the downstream things that
2303
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:38,640
you might not necessarily
2304
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,520
know to measure are not likely to become
2305
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,160
an issue so we use 3.0 potassium as
2306
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,079
an arbitrary termination if it gets
2307
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:47,920
below that then we modify the protocol
2308
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,079
now it's not necessary to do that you
2309
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:51,680
could push people further but if you use
2310
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,280
that as a protocol we've proven you can
2311
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,799
do it safely and effectively
2312
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:58,079
over 20 000 consecutive times the reason
2313
01:07:58,079 --> 01:07:59,520
why we've been able to do this so
2314
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,280
consistently is we have strict protocols
2315
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,000
that we follow
2316
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,400
that are time tested and proven and
2317
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,160
supplementation of electrolytes although
2318
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,760
you might think well potassium would
2319
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,440
just give them some potassium but that's
2320
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,000
an example
2321
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,599
of letting arrogance exceed your
2322
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,359
ignorance because you don't know what
2323
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:14,240
the downturn
2324
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,479
consequences of that is and so we're
2325
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,080
using a protocol that we've been able to
2326
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,679
test now it may be there's a better way
2327
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,359
to do it and that's why we do research
2328
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:22,479
and that's why we look at these things
2329
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:23,198
or maybe
2330
01:08:23,198 --> 01:08:27,439
but until that's done i exercise caution
2331
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,479
because the fact is this is a
2332
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,399
you're in a physiologically vulnerable
2333
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:33,839
state particularly in a person that's
2334
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:35,279
coming off medications and
2335
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:36,719
has a health history and you want to
2336
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:38,799
make sure that everybody that walks in
2337
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:40,158
walks out and that's why we use the
2338
01:08:40,158 --> 01:08:41,040
protocol we do
2339
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,520
i would suspect also a psychologically
2340
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:44,640
delicate state
2341
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,080
walk me through the experience of this
2342
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,158
journey that you see with the typical
2343
01:08:50,158 --> 01:08:52,000
patient i mean you're demanding a lot of
2344
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,479
them
2345
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,158
they're going through something they've
2346
01:08:54,158 --> 01:08:57,040
never done before like what is the
2347
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,719
you know what it what is that like for
2348
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,479
that individual when they're on day
2349
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:01,520
three day 10
2350
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,799
day 30 yeah so the first a few days of
2351
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:06,158
fasting are actually the most difficult
2352
01:09:06,158 --> 01:09:08,158
because you're adapting off the
2353
01:09:08,158 --> 01:09:10,960
uh alpha glucose metabolism into a fat
2354
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,640
metabolism so the brain is changing
2355
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:13,279
fuels
2356
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,479
from burning sugar to blurring largely
2357
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,198
beta-hydroxybutyric acid which comes
2358
01:09:17,198 --> 01:09:18,799
from the ketone bodies from the fat
2359
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:19,439
breakdown
2360
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,439
so there's an adjustment there you're
2361
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,839
detoxing oftentimes a lot although we've
2362
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:24,880
learned to minimize
2363
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,439
the effect of detoxification by getting
2364
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,319
people to eat
2365
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,399
a fruit vegetable only diet for a few
2366
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,000
days before we start fasting
2367
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,520
that's made a huge difference so they're
2368
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,120
not coming off caffeine addiction at the
2369
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,560
same moment that they're trying to adapt
2370
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,279
to the fast
2371
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:38,799
they've already gotten that stuff out of
2372
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:40,479
their system and that's actually the
2373
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:41,520
most difficult stuff
2374
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,040
getting the cigarettes the caffeine the
2375
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,839
alcohol all the meat fish foul eggs
2376
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:47,439
dairy products processed foods
2377
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,439
all the host of chemicals that people
2378
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:50,799
are putting into their body with
2379
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,080
over-the-counter prescription
2380
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,000
medications so we've gone through a
2381
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,040
wean-down process
2382
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,360
and then we start fasting and their
2383
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:58,880
mouth may coat up and taste like
2384
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,719
something crawled in there and died
2385
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,320
and they may have some skin rashes or
2386
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:03,600
elimination they may get mucus
2387
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,360
discharged they may get
2388
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,239
some vivid dreams they may have aches
2389
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,280
and pains and
2390
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,520
they may have difficulties with all
2391
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,040
kinds of adaptive process but they go
2392
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:13,920
away
2393
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,199
and then something else comes along and
2394
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,120
then it goes away and then it becomes
2395
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,400
very empowering
2396
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,920
because they realize that they're able
2397
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,280
to get through this process that just
2398
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,320
because they had a headache doesn't mean
2399
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,199
they have to rush out and try to
2400
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:24,800
suppress those symptoms of the pill
2401
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,400
it goes away the body's able to heal
2402
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,840
itself and then
2403
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,600
once you get into four or five days of
2404
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:30,880
fasting the body's pretty well
2405
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,880
acclimated to the fasting at this point
2406
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,239
there's no hunger
2407
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:35,440
people are going to cooking
2408
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:36,800
demonstrations they're coming to
2409
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,080
lectures they're going to the dining
2410
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,520
room to socialize with people
2411
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,280
they're five days ten days into a fast
2412
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,640
you think oh my god you haven't eaten
2413
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,960
for 10 days no just enjoy being there
2414
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,800
that's not a problem um so then um
2415
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,480
depending on the patient sometimes they
2416
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,159
start getting relief they're pain
2417
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:55,280
maybe for the first time in years the
2418
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,880
pain that they've been suffering with
2419
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,080
is going away and they may find that
2420
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,920
you know some people have these chronic
2421
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,120
debilitating problems
2422
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,440
start resolving things start falling off
2423
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:06,880
tumors start shrinking they start
2424
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,400
getting excited like oh maybe there's
2425
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,920
something to this idea of the body
2426
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,360
healing itself
2427
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,480
and you know we're monitoring these
2428
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:13,760
patients to go through the process and
2429
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,440
then at some point you get to the point
2430
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:16,239
where
2431
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,480
there's a limiting factor maybe their
2432
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:19,920
electrolytes start to drop a little bit
2433
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,040
or their energy is not
2434
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,400
acceptable they're not able to maintain
2435
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,159
accurate ambulation or maybe they've
2436
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:24,480
just
2437
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:25,840
that's how much time they've got because
2438
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,600
you know some people have jobs and lives
2439
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,440
and responsibilities so we only have so
2440
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,760
much fun here for 40 days
2441
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,000
so my life completely craters on the
2442
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,760
outside but for many people this is an
2443
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,760
intense epiphanic experience because
2444
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,280
they've got this intense education that
2445
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,719
they're really open to
2446
01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:42,239
they've seen these other people
2447
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:43,679
sometimes what looks to them like
2448
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:44,640
miracles going on
2449
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,320
because they're seeing people that they
2450
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,080
have no expectation that that could get
2451
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:48,800
well
2452
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,320
getting well they're experiencing
2453
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,320
themselves sometimes for the first time
2454
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,000
you know a sense of empowerment because
2455
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,280
they're able to actually reverse these
2456
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,640
processes that they were told nothing
2457
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:57,280
could be done
2458
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,480
learn to live with it what do they
2459
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,400
expect at their age that's just how it
2460
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,040
is
2461
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,199
and now they're thinking wow if they
2462
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:04,400
were wrong about that maybe they're
2463
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,520
wrong about other things too
2464
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:06,880
you start you know looking at all
2465
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,800
aspects of their life the empowerment
2466
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,520
aspect of it has got to be huge like
2467
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,040
even if you set aside
2468
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,000
all of these you know physical benefits
2469
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,440
that are a result of this
2470
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,719
simply the fact that they did something
2471
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:23,440
that seems impossible very very
2472
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:24,239
difficult
2473
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:27,440
and get to the other side of it has to
2474
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:31,120
you know sort of um make them feel like
2475
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,360
okay now nothing is impossible like i
2476
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,199
just did this thing that almost nobody
2477
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:36,560
does now
2478
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,400
now what's the next challenge that i can
2479
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,320
tackle you know the idea is that many
2480
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,560
people think that if you fast you die
2481
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,000
they believe if they got on a plane in
2482
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,920
new york and they were to fly all the
2483
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,120
way to california
2484
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,280
they would die over colorado except they
2485
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,640
ate the peanuts
2486
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,000
you know that the pretzels saved their
2487
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,440
life what do you eat when you fly and
2488
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:54,960
somehow if you fasted for
2489
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,120
10 days or 20 days sometimes the idea
2490
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,800
that you might have to skip a meal
2491
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,480
because there was nothing healthy to eat
2492
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,199
doesn't seem quite so overwhelming
2493
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,000
there's definitely empowerment and i
2494
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:06,640
think that
2495
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,000
the other thing that happens is when you
2496
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,840
start feeling what it feels like to be
2497
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:10,480
you
2498
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,719
instead of what you'd become that's very
2499
01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:14,080
important i think the same thing happens
2500
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:14,880
to athletes
2501
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,000
you know when people first start
2502
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,640
exercising at first it's not pleasant
2503
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,560
they got aches they got pains they
2504
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,000
they're fatigued they're not they're not
2505
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,360
getting the success they can't do what
2506
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:23,840
they want
2507
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,520
but as they do it they get to the point
2508
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:26,960
where not only do they tolerate they're
2509
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,480
not just doing it because they want to
2510
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,159
you know maintain the weight or get the
2511
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:31,679
figure or whatever it they're doing is
2512
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:32,880
they start realizing they're getting
2513
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,640
real intrinsic benefit
2514
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,159
from engaging in this consistent
2515
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:37,920
activity and now they don't want to give
2516
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:38,719
it up
2517
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,080
and i think the same thing happens when
2518
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,760
people really get into a healthy
2519
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,120
lifestyle yeah they're really exhausted
2520
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,640
they don't want to go give it up and
2521
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,159
feel like everybody else feels because
2522
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,560
of some greasy slimy convenient food
2523
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,080
they're willing to pay the price of
2524
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,760
trying to do the planning and do what it
2525
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,520
takes to try to ensure that they can get
2526
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,840
their needs met just like i think people
2527
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,320
that get into a regular exercise regime
2528
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,239
realize that now this is so beneficial
2529
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,320
they will literally structure their
2530
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,080
schedules around making sure that that's
2531
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:05,679
an important part of their activity
2532
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:07,600
and the same thing happens with sleep
2533
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,440
when you realize how important sleep is
2534
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:11,440
to health and maintenance and energy you
2535
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:12,800
start prioritizing that
2536
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,560
and you don't compromise your sleep you
2537
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,080
don't compromise your exercise
2538
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,520
and hopefully you don't you learn to not
2539
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,040
compromise your time lifestyle i tell
2540
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:19,440
people
2541
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,199
here's what you need to do first get
2542
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:22,239
enough sleep because it's your most
2543
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:23,280
critical activity
2544
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,520
then engage in regular exercise so you
2545
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:26,960
can dissipate the tension you can
2546
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,960
build fitness and have the time to
2547
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,560
prepare and eat healthy food if there
2548
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,000
happens to be any time left well fine
2549
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,250
you go to work
2550
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:35,600
[Laughter]
2551
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,120
um let's talk about the uh
2552
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,560
the food part of all of this so uh
2553
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,760
well first of all does anybody freak out
2554
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,280
in the middle of this and
2555
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,080
flee like i can't handle it like there
2556
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,159
has to be some people that just
2557
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,560
psychologically can't handle it you'd be
2558
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,560
surprised by the time people come to the
2559
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,000
trunk health center they're pretty well
2560
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:58,880
vetted
2561
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,640
they've gone through some screening
2562
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,239
we've evaluated their history they're
2563
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:03,600
usually pretty motivated
2564
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,120
most of the time the only way they find
2565
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,960
out about us is some doctor or somebody
2566
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,480
they know is referring to us to begin
2567
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:09,120
with yeah
2568
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,080
and you know it's like you're not going
2569
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,760
to refer somebody that if you know
2570
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:12,640
what's going on there
2571
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,000
that's not going to be a good candidate
2572
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,840
so there's a lot of filtration that goes
2573
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,400
on
2574
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,080
and so the exceptions that i've seen
2575
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,440
i've had some patients that are coming
2576
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:19,760
off
2577
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,199
drugs like cocaine and other stuff that
2578
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:22,800
don't last 12 hours you know because
2579
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,239
they're just they're not really ready to
2580
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:25,360
make the change
2581
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,880
but as far as fleeing because the diet
2582
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,320
no because the true north health center
2583
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:29,600
is set up to meet people where they're
2584
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:30,159
at
2585
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,159
not everybody's ready to do vigorous
2586
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:33,920
water only fast or should would it even
2587
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,520
be appropriate so for those individuals
2588
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,600
maybe we just do a healthy eating regime
2589
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,840
and just eating the diet doing the
2590
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,840
classes doing the yoga the meditation
2591
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,000
is enough to induce significant changes
2592
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,600
sometimes after they've been a while
2593
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,120
they might say well you know maybe i'll
2594
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,280
try a little intermittent fasting maybe
2595
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,719
i'll try a little bit of a fast and see
2596
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:52,640
how i do with that and that's fine so
2597
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:53,520
it's not like
2598
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,520
everybody comes in and we lock them up
2599
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,560
and that's it in fact
2600
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,880
you know i tell a story when we first
2601
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,400
moved to the new facility
2602
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,159
one day a really large police officer
2603
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:03,520
showed up at the door and he said he
2604
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,360
wanted to interview one of my patients
2605
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,679
and i asked him what did they do and
2606
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:08,640
they said well
2607
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,960
you know i don't need to know and i said
2608
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,560
well if you want me to tell you if
2609
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,840
they're here or not i need to know you
2610
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,440
know what the issue is and he said okay
2611
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,920
we got a complaint and the complaint was
2612
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,080
from this patient's relatives and they
2613
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,280
said they were that the patient was
2614
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,719
being held against their will
2615
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:24,480
by religious cultists and being starved
2616
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:25,860
to death to go to be with jesus
2617
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:28,880
[Laughter]
2618
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,120
and i thought i'd say like the person's
2619
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,040
not here involuntarily and you know i
2620
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,000
got into i said fine
2621
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,280
i'll let you interfere but first would
2622
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,760
you like a nice tall cup of kool-aid
2623
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,920
uh-huh right and dr lyle says that when
2624
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,120
a police officer puts
2625
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,040
relishing in your role as a cult leader
2626
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,040
he is not comfortable
2627
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,560
and i'm not to speak to authorities
2628
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,480
anymore but that's you know i'm thinking
2629
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:49,840
it's an obvious joke because kool-aid is
2630
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,120
full of sugar where would you serve that
2631
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,320
at the trump health center
2632
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,560
well i know it's funny the reality is
2633
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,400
that today it's not as much of an issue
2634
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,159
because now the idea of fasting doesn't
2635
01:16:58,159 --> 01:16:59,280
yeah it's quite so much
2636
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,360
it's in the cream now it's not the jim
2637
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,199
jones kind of you know
2638
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,600
perception right so are you still the
2639
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,480
only
2640
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,400
medically supervised clinic that's doing
2641
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,920
this well you know i'm really excited
2642
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,520
because i just visited yesterday
2643
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,280
one of our doctors that trained with us
2644
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,600
nathan gerschfeldt is running a facility
2645
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,080
here in the los angeles area and he's
2646
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,159
it's beautiful i went to see his
2647
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:22,159
uh facility and it's absolutely
2648
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,320
beautiful and for anybody that uh
2649
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,800
you know and also we have another doctor
2650
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:27,920
uh
2651
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,560
dr ewan in ohio that's opened up a small
2652
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,360
facility
2653
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,640
is doing really well i've gotten
2654
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,400
excellent feedback from people we have
2655
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,920
other doctors that we train we have an
2656
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,320
intern residential training program
2657
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,719
and those schools i mentioned texas a m
2658
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:42,080
there's other medical schools
2659
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,320
the naturopathic professions uh
2660
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,080
graduates can come and spend a year as
2661
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,280
an as a resident
2662
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,560
doing a rotation at the triumph health
2663
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:49,920
center the chiropractors often come and
2664
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,040
spend three months
2665
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,960
as part of their training at the truman
2666
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,400
health center and those doctors were
2667
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,320
hoping to open up more facilities around
2668
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:57,040
the country
2669
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,040
and we make uh people that contact our
2670
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,239
website can get
2671
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,320
access to whoever the local right
2672
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,000
fasting supervisors are we're happy to
2673
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,040
provide that
2674
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,440
uh information and it's really exciting
2675
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:08,480
to see these guys
2676
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:10,719
not only learning how to do it but
2677
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,880
actually figuring out how to get these
2678
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,880
places open and offer affordable care to
2679
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:15,520
people
2680
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,520
and you know the thing uh that it's
2681
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,360
always gratifying to see the clinical
2682
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:20,640
results that they're seeing because it's
2683
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,840
really a hard
2684
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,920
thing to do in an outpatient practice
2685
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,600
yeah unless you can control a person's
2686
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:26,080
environment
2687
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,239
it's hard to really induce these kinds
2688
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:29,520
of profound changes
2689
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,920
it's got to be incredibly gratifying as
2690
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,000
a medical practitioner to see
2691
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,239
such dramatic results well i think
2692
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:37,440
that's one of the reasons we've been
2693
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,199
successful we have a dozen clinicians
2694
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:40,719
now with the truman thousand we have
2695
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:42,400
five medical doctors we've got
2696
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,719
osteopathy chiropractic naturopathy
2697
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:46,239
all represented and these doctors once
2698
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:47,920
they come they often are with us
2699
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,800
their entire career in fact dr clapper
2700
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:51,679
just retired
2701
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:53,920
after nine years at triathlon we joke
2702
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,280
that we're like the firm
2703
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,840
you know once they start yeah and but
2704
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,679
it's because they like the low
2705
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:01,600
patient intensity in others they're not
2706
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,679
having to see high volumes of patients
2707
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:04,960
so they're spending a lot of time with a
2708
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,320
few people instead of a little time with
2709
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:06,880
a lot
2710
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,640
they like the the center set up where
2711
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,239
the doctor's able actually to get all
2712
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:11,840
that intense education done
2713
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,440
without it coming out of the visit time
2714
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:14,960
that they can spend the visit time
2715
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,560
really working with a patient's specific
2716
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:17,040
needs
2717
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,960
and they like the idea that people get
2718
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,159
well
2719
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,080
and so the combination of that allows us
2720
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,520
to keep the doctors even though they
2721
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,040
probably work harder for less with us
2722
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,480
than they would if they went off and
2723
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,400
worked for the local hmo or whatever it
2724
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,560
is that it's enough gratification and
2725
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,440
enough benefit
2726
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,520
that those doctors really like working
2727
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,640
at treatment health
2728
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,280
and what that what is the kind of
2729
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:38,239
current
2730
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:39,840
relationship that you have with the
2731
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,679
conventional you know medical
2732
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:43,199
establishment like how are they
2733
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:44,960
perceiving what you're doing well it's
2734
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,640
been a revolution actually it's been
2735
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,920
amazing change because when dr sultana
2736
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,440
who's been with us now about 20 years
2737
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:52,960
came the first thing we did is we got
2738
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,000
him to take a job
2739
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,520
with the local hospital as an urgent
2740
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,280
care doctor
2741
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,400
and so he became known to the medical
2742
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,080
staff there and the nurses and he's such
2743
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,080
a wonderful doctor they loved him
2744
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,000
and so that allowed us to have a good
2745
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,600
relationship with the immediate we have
2746
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,880
a
2747
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,280
trauma center you know just a mile away
2748
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:12,159
and so
2749
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,560
some of their nurses or patients of ours
2750
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,440
we provide
2751
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,199
chiropractic support to the nurses at
2752
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,120
that hospital the uh some of the
2753
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:20,000
hospitalists
2754
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,360
purchased their food through our
2755
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,199
outpatient deli so we have a good
2756
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:24,400
working relationship
2757
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,560
and now that they're seeing some of our
2758
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,600
referral
2759
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,719
uh patients that we're doing for
2760
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:30,239
diagnostic workups and people getting
2761
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:30,880
well
2762
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,719
that's really helped too because they're
2763
01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:34,159
not used to seeing people actually
2764
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,199
recover
2765
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:37,679
and so today it's completely different
2766
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:38,400
than it was
2767
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,480
20 years ago where we were seen as some
2768
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:41,920
kind of you know
2769
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,960
crazy people now i think they see it as
2770
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,520
a little bit
2771
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,679
odd and different but at least for
2772
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:49,360
people that have whatever it is they see
2773
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:50,639
get well
2774
01:20:50,639 --> 01:20:51,920
acceptable right right and they know
2775
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,120
we're well intentioned the other thing
2776
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,320
that's made a big difference is we've
2777
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:55,679
published a number of papers in
2778
01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:57,520
peer-reviewed medical literature
2779
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:59,520
including on the safety of fasting the
2780
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,280
effect of fasting on high blood pressure
2781
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,880
we've recently finished a study with the
2782
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,480
mayo clinic looking at primary
2783
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:05,520
prevention of stroke
2784
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,360
that's in review right now in a major
2785
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:08,639
journal we're hoping that we'll get
2786
01:21:08,639 --> 01:21:12,000
positive uh publication of that here in
2787
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,360
the next couple weeks
2788
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,120
we've done a study with luigi fontana
2789
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,880
from washington university looking at
2790
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,320
biomarker changes in the gut microbiome
2791
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,719
before and after fasting right we have a
2792
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:24,239
couple other studies that we're
2793
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:26,320
enrolling in right now so now we're
2794
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,840
getting some affiliations with some of
2795
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,520
these major players like
2796
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,080
um walter longo which is going to allow
2797
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,440
us to get into journals that we might
2798
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,520
not otherwise have been able to access
2799
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,040
because of the power that these guys
2800
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,199
bring yeah his credibility and his
2801
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,360
pedigree i would imagine is very helpful
2802
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,679
oh he's done unbelievable just fabulous
2803
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,040
work and he's a wonderful guy
2804
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,040
yeah you know we're so fortunate that
2805
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,120
you know we've got these kind of people
2806
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:49,600
out there
2807
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,760
trailblazing into the scientific and
2808
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,199
medical literature
2809
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:54,719
because as clinicians and particularly
2810
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:56,000
alternative health clinicians we're not
2811
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,120
always viewed
2812
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,159
uh with the most open uh mindedness from
2813
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,239
much of the medical profession yeah
2814
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,560
well the other big piece here is the
2815
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,159
diet and nutrition piece
2816
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:08,080
i would suspect that a lot of people
2817
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,000
come to true north because they saw
2818
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,480
you and they saw those case studies
2819
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,360
portrayed in
2820
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,520
in what the health the documentary we
2821
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,480
all saw
2822
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:18,320
those individuals they're kind of before
2823
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:19,760
and after stories that were very
2824
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:20,880
dramatic
2825
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,159
um and hardly criticized
2826
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,400
and heavily yeah controversial for sure
2827
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,239
we have uh people telling us i see
2828
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:29,600
there's stuff on the internet that says
2829
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,000
those people were all paid actors
2830
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,639
you know reverse photoshop and i've seen
2831
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:35,440
some unbelievable
2832
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,360
kip and keegan just kind of grabbed them
2833
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,440
randomly right like how did that happen
2834
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:41,360
they they showed up and wanted to do the
2835
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:42,639
film so we did some interviews then they
2836
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:43,679
came back and they said well they've
2837
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:45,679
decided they wanted a little more
2838
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:47,040
can we just interview some of your
2839
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,080
patients and they went out to the
2840
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,600
courtyard whoever happened to be
2841
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,280
standing around yeah i wish we could
2842
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:52,639
have cherry-picked it and stuff because
2843
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:54,239
there was that one guy he had all his
2844
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,320
pills you know he went through all of
2845
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,760
his medications and all that kind of
2846
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,159
stuff
2847
01:22:58,159 --> 01:22:59,600
is that type of experience is pretty
2848
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,920
routine yeah true north we see
2849
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:03,679
what looks like miracles it's not
2850
01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:05,040
miracles at all it's just getting rid of
2851
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,800
the crappy diet instituting a whole
2852
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,159
plant food sos free diet and using
2853
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:09,360
fasting effectively
2854
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,920
you know that's the reality um and i
2855
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,440
know they've got a new movie coming out
2856
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:14,320
and i know they've done
2857
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,159
a bit of filming with us as well also
2858
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:17,440
i'm very excited that i think it's
2859
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:19,440
september netflix decided to do a
2860
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,639
special on wellness
2861
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:23,120
oh they did and one of their six shows
2862
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,719
was filmed at the true north health
2863
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:25,280
center oh wow
2864
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,760
and it's on fasting who's behind that do
2865
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:28,639
you know
2866
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:31,600
um i can't i don't recall that yeah who
2867
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:31,920
the
2868
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,600
producer and what else but it's i know
2869
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,440
it's purchased by netflix
2870
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,760
it's a netflix original oh that's cool
2871
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,280
you know so i know it's gonna get pushed
2872
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:39,840
out
2873
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,159
i had john lewis in here a couple weeks
2874
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:42,880
ago
2875
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,520
um who's working with with keegan on the
2876
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,520
hungry for justice project and so i've
2877
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,199
been behind the scenes kind of looking
2878
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:49,679
at
2879
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:50,880
what they're doing that's going to be a
2880
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,120
really big one i imagine it'll be very
2881
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,880
controversial and probably piss a lot of
2882
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,480
people off i'm really excited to see it
2883
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:56,960
keegan
2884
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,320
that's that's keegan's specialty yeah
2885
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,120
but all right so the food part um the
2886
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:04,000
the protocol
2887
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,880
that you're that you recommend and that
2888
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:07,360
you
2889
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,760
you apply with your patients is you know
2890
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:10,560
owes its
2891
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,840
debt of legacy to caldwell esselstyn
2892
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,320
and you know a whole legion of those
2893
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,480
pioneering doctors who have put
2894
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,199
the whole food plant-based diet onto the
2895
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,199
forefront of public awareness we've seen
2896
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:24,480
it
2897
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:28,400
grow in adoption and recognition
2898
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,719
and we're seeing the benefits of that i
2899
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:31,920
think it's still
2900
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,800
you know um somewhat controversial
2901
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,639
there's all these diet wars with the
2902
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:40,080
loaf the low carb people and now ketosis
2903
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,600
and all of that so that's kind of all
2904
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,360
kind of going on in the background here
2905
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,080
but
2906
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,040
maybe you know you can just speak to why
2907
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,400
you believe so strongly
2908
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,480
in a whole food plant-based diet well
2909
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:52,480
the exclusively whole plant food diet i
2910
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:53,040
think is
2911
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,639
has a lot of support whether it's john
2912
01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:56,800
mcdougall or esselstyn
2913
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,920
or you mentioned one of my heroes um t
2914
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,120
colin campbell
2915
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,040
you know just a brilliant guy so they
2916
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,639
all make a very compelling case that
2917
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:05,760
people should eat a whole
2918
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,679
plant food diet and essentially you call
2919
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,280
it a whole plant food diet i notice that
2920
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,960
you always do that instead of calling it
2921
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,080
a whole food plant-based
2922
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,520
diet what's the reason for that so i
2923
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,600
want a whole i want whole plant food
2924
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,840
diet because a plant-based diet implies
2925
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:18,400
that yeah
2926
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,560
it's based on plants but it allows room
2927
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,320
for it allows flexibility interesting
2928
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,440
and so i think that dr mcdougall and dr
2929
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:26,800
campbell would argue that we want to
2930
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,800
have as broad a diet as possible to
2931
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,400
attract as many people as possible
2932
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,000
because remember most people in the
2933
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,600
vegan vegetarian movement
2934
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,520
are not just interested only in health
2935
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,159
but actually dominantly in animal rights
2936
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:39,840
moral ethical and spiritual reasons
2937
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,520
environmental impact
2938
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,520
and so their argument is well maybe it
2939
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,600
doesn't have to be mr perfect you know
2940
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,000
diet if it encompasses a broader range
2941
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,679
of people we'll get more people doing it
2942
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:50,800
we'll save the planet we'll save the
2943
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,400
animals we'll go to heaven whatever it
2944
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:52,880
is
2945
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,159
and i don't disagree with any of that
2946
01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:56,800
that's that's great but when it comes to
2947
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,880
maximizing health
2948
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,560
if a person's overweight wants to lose
2949
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,080
weight if a person has heart disease
2950
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:03,760
diabetes if they've got cancer
2951
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,280
or if they're healthy and their goal is
2952
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,120
to live the maximum healthy life
2953
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,000
possible i believe
2954
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,360
the evidence supports the idea of an
2955
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,280
exclusively whole plant food diet
2956
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,440
that's free of sos sos is the
2957
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:14,880
international symbol of danger
2958
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,040
and it stands for salt oil and sugar now
2959
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,639
can you have a little salt and still be
2960
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:19,520
healthy yes
2961
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:20,880
just like sometimes people can have a
2962
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,560
beer and not be a drunk
2963
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,719
but for my patient population which is
2964
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,880
either sick people that want to get well
2965
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,400
or the healthy people that really want
2966
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:29,920
to maximize their health
2967
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,840
a whole plant food sos free diet i
2968
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,040
believe will prove
2969
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,120
to be the most health promoting diet out
2970
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,040
there now is it the best diet for
2971
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,159
society to add
2972
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,320
no i'm not arguing that i'm so grateful
2973
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,840
that people like dr campbell and dr
2974
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,760
esselstyn and dr mcdougall are out there
2975
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,760
educating the world i'm not that nice of
2976
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,000
a person i'm only interested in my
2977
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,120
patient
2978
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,440
and the and the maximizing the people
2979
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:52,800
that that's in front of me and the
2980
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,480
people that i see are often sick or
2981
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:55,920
healthy and want to stay that way
2982
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,000
and so i believe that is the best advice
2983
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,920
for them now does that mean somebody
2984
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:01,600
can't have a more flexible diet and
2985
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,239
still be healthy
2986
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:04,080
of course they can and if it's working
2987
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,080
for you that's great i'm not going to
2988
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:07,199
argue with it
2989
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:10,239
but if you're struggling don't pretend
2990
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,320
that there's not another level of
2991
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:13,760
compliance that's possible
2992
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,520
and i suggest people try it this way
2993
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,040
because they might find out you know
2994
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,639
they don't miss all that salty sugary
2995
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:20,320
stuff anyway and they
2996
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,719
may be just as happy and if not that's
2997
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:24,560
fine if you can modify the diet maintain
2998
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:25,920
the numbers not screw up our outcome
2999
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:26,880
data
3000
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,520
you know i'm not a policeman i'm just
3001
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,360
trying to give you the best advice i can
3002
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,960
but i i do believe i'm right now if it
3003
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,400
turns out i'm wrong
3004
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,600
and the evidence supports that you're
3005
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,280
better off having more than 1500
3006
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,560
milligrams of sodium a day because
3007
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:39,840
that's an important reason for some
3008
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:40,480
reason
3009
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,880
then i'll change my recommendation okay
3010
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,320
i'm recommending what i'm recommending
3011
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,239
based on the combination of 36 years of
3012
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:47,679
clinical experience watching people get
3013
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:48,320
well
3014
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,000
and my ability to interpret the
3015
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,360
scientific literature
3016
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:52,880
and the and the staff that we have at
3017
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,000
the true north health foundation that
3018
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,440
are doing the same
3019
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,920
and so up till now a lot of the stuff
3020
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,199
that we used to advocate
3021
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:02,159
was criticized heavily most of the stuff
3022
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:03,440
that we've been advocating if you go
3023
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:05,520
back for 36 years has been
3024
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,600
accepted as reasonable the two things
3025
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,120
that we do that are still controversial
3026
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,960
is recommend a lower sodium intake than
3027
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,239
some of our colleagues
3028
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:14,239
by in this type of diet ends up having
3029
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:15,840
about a gram of sodium in it
3030
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,960
naturally and water only fasting and i
3031
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:19,440
believe
3032
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:22,239
in both cases the data is going to prove
3033
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:24,560
we're right
3034
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,960
what do you say to the the low-carb
3035
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,159
proponent who
3036
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:31,199
tells you uh listen you know we need
3037
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:33,040
some of these oils in our diet you know
3038
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:33,679
healthy
3039
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:36,000
olive oil has its place we've seen that
3040
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,920
in the mediterranean diet
3041
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,159
we've had tremendous results with people
3042
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:41,199
losing weight and
3043
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:43,199
maintaining their weight and reversing a
3044
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,600
whole litany of conditions so
3045
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,159
you know why not just go that route like
3046
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:49,360
what when you have to
3047
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,520
measure those two protocols against each
3048
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,480
other how do you
3049
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:53,760
well there's a number of protocols
3050
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,120
you're actually covering there yeah like
3051
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,880
for example these things get conflated
3052
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:57,920
in this conversation
3053
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,080
the uh the dead dr atkins diet the high
3054
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,760
protein high fat diets they'll argue
3055
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,360
what we got weight loss i don't disagree
3056
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,800
and a lot of times what's really good
3057
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,280
for short-term benefit isn't necessarily
3058
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:08,639
the same thing that's good for long-term
3059
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:09,199
outcome
3060
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:11,520
same thing in athletics you can inject
3061
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,040
antibiotic steroids and you can get some
3062
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,480
pretty powerful short-term effects but
3063
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:15,920
then you get the testicular atrophy and
3064
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,199
you get cancer and die and it's not so
3065
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:18,320
good in the long run
3066
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,000
so what's good for short-term weight
3067
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,239
loss isn't necessarily the same thing as
3068
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:24,639
what's good for long-term health support
3069
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:26,000
and i don't disagree that a lot of these
3070
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,440
programs are effective for weight loss
3071
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:27,840
heck
3072
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,360
you can cut the hip off at the leg and
3073
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,040
lose 40 pounds overnight
3074
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,600
now it may not be you know a net benefit
3075
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:34,159
to you
3076
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:35,920
but just because you want instant weight
3077
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,600
loss there's lots of things you can do
3078
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,080
as far as the other alternatives which
3079
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,560
is maybe a higher fat low protein
3080
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,120
diet in inducing a ketogenic state that
3081
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,639
may very well have some short-term
3082
01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:48,000
benefits it may even have some
3083
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,480
long-term benefits but when you compare
3084
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:52,320
the results that we see clinically
3085
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,960
in the conditions that we treat there's
3086
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,159
nothing i've seen that's worked better
3087
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:57,840
than exclusively whole plant food sos
3088
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:58,560
free diet
3089
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,400
and i have the luxury of having patients
3090
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:01,840
living with me sometimes for a period of
3091
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:02,960
a year or more
3092
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,040
so we're able to really test the diet
3093
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,000
and see
3094
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,199
what it takes for them to actually
3095
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:08,880
recover their health that's one of the
3096
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,400
downsides of living with your patients
3097
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:11,600
because if they don't get well
3098
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,360
who can you blame right they've been
3099
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,880
with you we've got wow you have people
3100
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:15,520
stay
3101
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,440
with you for a whole year sometimes
3102
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:19,040
longer than a year i've got people there
3103
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:19,440
now
3104
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:21,360
longer well sometimes we've had people
3105
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:22,560
checked in that we're being sent to the
3106
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:23,280
nursing home
3107
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:24,560
we came as the alternative and then they
3108
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,800
get well and go home and it was you know
3109
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,239
two thousand a month less staying with
3110
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:29,520
us then at the nursing home so
3111
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,040
you know for those individuals it was an
3112
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,800
economic benefit
3113
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,000
other people come in because they're
3114
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,679
gonna do long-term fasting long-term
3115
01:30:35,679 --> 01:30:36,400
recovery
3116
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:37,520
they've got serious health problems
3117
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:38,960
sometimes it takes a couple months just
3118
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,880
to get people off all their drugs
3119
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,400
some people come in because they don't
3120
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,560
feel comfortable living freely
3121
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,080
because they've got some issues with
3122
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:47,520
food and eating they want to live in a
3123
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,120
controlled setting until they really get
3124
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:49,840
it down
3125
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,120
so they feel comfortable going out there
3126
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,960
and same thing true with alcoholics some
3127
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,080
people you say quit drinking and they
3128
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:54,639
quit
3129
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:55,920
some people go to outpatient treatment
3130
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,679
they do great some people do 30 day
3131
01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:58,239
programs
3132
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:00,239
some people do 90 day programs some
3133
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:01,600
people you know
3134
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,159
have to do longer yeah so you have to
3135
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:04,800
make it to
3136
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,679
meet the patient's need so i'll tell you
3137
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:08,560
a funny thing
3138
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,080
we have this phone coaching thing i told
3139
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,000
you about and so one of our doctors uh
3140
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,760
dr chili veras does a lot of phone
3141
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:14,880
coaching with people
3142
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,239
and so people would call upon me and we
3143
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:17,440
decide okay they need to come in and
3144
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:18,800
fast but it's a couple months before we
3145
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,080
have an opening so i say why don't you
3146
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,840
work with dr varess in the meantime
3147
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,120
and when you come in you won't have to
3148
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:24,800
be here so long you'll and then they go
3149
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:25,920
and get well
3150
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,280
and it's happening a lot i'm giving her
3151
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,800
a hard time you got him well before he
3152
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,080
could come here we couldn't even screw
3153
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,840
up our study or our documentation
3154
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:32,880
they're all well you know
3155
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,040
but it's okay how many how many beds do
3156
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,560
you have though you probably are at
3157
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,400
capacity most of the time yeah we have
3158
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:39,760
yeah we can handle about 70
3159
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,440
people so we're right we're going to run
3160
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:43,120
about two months or so out
3161
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,719
you know it was interesting after the
3162
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:46,159
covet thing
3163
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:47,760
all of our foreign people had to cancel
3164
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,440
and that's 15 of our people we had 50
3165
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:50,719
people who couldn't get in
3166
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:52,960
but we had so many more local people
3167
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,679
because now people can work from home
3168
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:57,760
so some people that wanted to come in
3169
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,440
but they you know they couldn't
3170
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:02,000
afford to miss work during the very time
3171
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,679
so they're working so
3172
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:05,440
some people are able to come in and do a
3173
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:07,199
fast but then they can during recovery
3174
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:08,800
they can go back to working remotely
3175
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,000
because we have excellent wi-fi
3176
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,520
bandwidth and all that stuff
3177
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,679
so you know those patients are able to
3178
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:15,120
actually function
3179
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,560
you know in a controlled setting but not
3180
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,639
necessarily miss work
3181
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:20,480
um sometimes we have situations where
3182
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:21,679
they've got kids
3183
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:23,440
well now we have like suites that people
3184
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,520
book family units so they may come into
3185
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,040
fast but they can have their family
3186
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:27,600
there
3187
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,120
and so the family learns to eat good
3188
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,960
food and there's no cooking you know
3189
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,560
and so there's lots of different ways to
3190
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,800
adapt to people's needs depending on
3191
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,000
what it is they're really wanting to
3192
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:36,800
accomplish
3193
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,320
our limiting factor is we have to have
3194
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,000
highly motivated people that really want
3195
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:41,280
to pay the price to get well
3196
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,520
yeah and if that's the determining
3197
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,000
factor in success i mean it's so similar
3198
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,000
to the recovery community i mean you
3199
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:48,800
have
3200
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,960
outpatient you know situations you have
3201
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,880
input i mean i did inpatient for 100
3202
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:53,520
days and
3203
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,800
you know now i think i should have
3204
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:56,880
stayed longer like it was it was
3205
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,120
it had such a dramatic i mean it saved
3206
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:00,080
my life and it
3207
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,320
gave me a new life but i needed that
3208
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,159
much time and then
3209
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:05,679
you know a lot of people from that
3210
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:07,760
experience and i work with people today
3211
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:08,000
who
3212
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,400
are in halfway houses or you know sober
3213
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,159
living facilities there are all these
3214
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:13,840
transitionary
3215
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,320
scenarios that are available to people
3216
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:17,679
to help them
3217
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:21,040
not just create these new habits and and
3218
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,960
and you know build a new foundation for
3219
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,639
their life but you need that support
3220
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:26,480
system in place in order for it to
3221
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:26,960
really
3222
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,520
lock in so that they can carry it out in
3223
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:30,159
the world
3224
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:32,719
in a permanent way you know we have a
3225
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:35,040
because we're a 501c3 nonprofit research
3226
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,800
driven organization our price pro
3227
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,639
is quite modest our rights are the same
3228
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:40,320
as they were 12 years ago 149
3229
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,560
chef aj goes she's like it's cheaper for
3230
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:43,760
me
3231
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,120
to go to hotel we actually have
3232
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,639
businessmen sometimes they'll choose to
3233
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:48,080
stay with us when they're on the road
3234
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,679
because they get their meals and
3235
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:50,960
it's cheaper than the doubletree you
3236
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,320
know what i mean so you need to charge
3237
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:52,719
more
3238
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,480
well no the idea is or you need more
3239
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:56,159
beds or i don't know we want to keep the
3240
01:33:56,159 --> 01:33:57,440
price point as low as possible
3241
01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:58,880
there's a reason we haven't raised rates
3242
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,480
in the last 12 years is because
3243
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:02,159
people need to stay long enough to get
3244
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:03,520
well they need to be able to come back
3245
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:04,560
if they need support
3246
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,719
and by keeping as low rate as possible
3247
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:07,920
it broadens the
3248
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:08,960
number of people that can actually
3249
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,800
afford to insurance cover it the
3250
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,400
insurance will cover their medical exam
3251
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,679
the all the traditional
3252
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:15,360
medical management things not the part
3253
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:16,719
where you get well that of course
3254
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:18,080
wouldn't be part of health insurance the
3255
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,159
daily rate at the center the 149
3256
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:21,520
but if to seeing the medical doctor
3257
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,120
getting any scan or lab that would be
3258
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,480
treated just like it would any
3259
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:25,840
insurance what is interesting though
3260
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:27,120
people that have medical savings
3261
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,400
accounts
3262
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,400
that covers the state at the center
3263
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:31,600
fully because you are
3264
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,280
temporarily disabled you are under
3265
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,120
direct medical supervision you are being
3266
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:36,400
treated in an inpatient
3267
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,840
basis it seems like with the explosion
3268
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,159
in the rates of obesity and diabetes and
3269
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:43,280
all of these
3270
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,000
you know chronic lifestyle ailments that
3271
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:46,560
are
3272
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,400
debilitating millions of people every
3273
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,360
year and escalating at a shocking rate
3274
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,480
that there would be clinics like this in
3275
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,800
every city available to people because
3276
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,159
it really is
3277
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:00,400
an opportunity for you to reboot and
3278
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:01,920
reframe your relationship
3279
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,639
to the habits and the foods that you're
3280
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:05,679
eating that are
3281
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:07,199
creating these problems in the first
3282
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:08,719
place otherwise you just become
3283
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:11,679
a ward of the pharmaceutical industry
3284
01:35:11,679 --> 01:35:13,040
well i hope you're correct i hope you're
3285
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,480
predicting just exactly what we're
3286
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,000
starting to see new facilities opening
3287
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,440
but you also have to remember
3288
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:20,000
any place that makes you give up coffee
3289
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:20,880
alcohol
3290
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,920
tobacco meat fish foul
3291
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,040
eggs dairy products oil salt sugar yeah
3292
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,639
and maybe consider fasting
3293
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:31,760
i mean that's a tough yeah yeah you know
3294
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:33,119
i have patients that their friends say
3295
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:34,320
well what do you go there too fast just
3296
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:35,840
come you can come to my garage i'll give
3297
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:36,719
you the hose you don't
3298
01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:39,520
want to charge anything yeah that is
3299
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:40,400
true
3300
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,040
although you know i think when people
3301
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,520
are looking at that quadruple bypass
3302
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,679
you know other those options don't seem
3303
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:48,639
so
3304
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,000
onerous anymore and i think the thing is
3305
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,480
we've we've arrived at this cultural
3306
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:55,360
moment where
3307
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,159
anything uncomfortable is seen as you
3308
01:35:58,159 --> 01:35:58,639
know
3309
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:00,639
optional in our lives right we're so
3310
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:02,560
disconnected from
3311
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,119
challenge and stepping outside of our
3312
01:36:05,119 --> 01:36:06,960
comfort zones and to tell somebody look
3313
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,239
you've gotta
3314
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:10,239
you know overhaul everything that you're
3315
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:11,679
doing is
3316
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:14,159
a difficult message it's it's a very
3317
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:16,000
undigestable message
3318
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,000
but at the same time like i know in my
3319
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,360
own experience and look you've done this
3320
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:19,920
with 20
3321
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,119
000 people to get those people through
3322
01:36:23,119 --> 01:36:26,560
those uncomfortable weeks and have them
3323
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,960
arrive on the other side where you know
3324
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,400
you can pull the curtains open and the
3325
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:31,760
sun shines in
3326
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:33,360
and suddenly those foods they thought
3327
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,679
were unpalatable actually taste good
3328
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:37,199
their cravings have changed they
3329
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:38,880
actually look forward to
3330
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,840
their meals with these you know plant
3331
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,040
foods i mean that's a
3332
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,679
miraculous thing that i just wish more
3333
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:48,800
people could discover in their lives
3334
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,440
yeah it's it is a miraculous thing yeah
3335
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:52,080
and i think
3336
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,800
for the specific highly motivated
3337
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,880
self-selected people that we treat
3338
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,800
uh we have a really high satisfaction
3339
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,639
ratio and we're still here which is kind
3340
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:02,480
of a miracle in itself just the idea of
3341
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:02,719
it
3342
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:04,480
and you do have a really high rate of
3343
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:06,639
people that maintain these these
3344
01:37:06,639 --> 01:37:08,639
practices you know we're interested how
3345
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:09,679
closely do you
3346
01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:11,360
tabs do you keep on people we're doing
3347
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,360
uh a uh adherent study
3348
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,199
starting in january of next year which
3349
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,679
is designed to do long-term tracking of
3350
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:20,400
very carefully in terms of patient
3351
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,159
actual dietary compliance it's actually
3352
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:23,760
difficult research to do
3353
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,440
in terms of monitoring specifically what
3354
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:26,719
people are consuming and not consuming
3355
01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:28,639
but we've actually designed a study
3356
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,800
that's going to let us do some really
3357
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,320
long-term tracking of people because
3358
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,239
what we're trying to find out is how
3359
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,400
strict you have to be to get the best
3360
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:37,840
ratio of return do you have to be as
3361
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,520
strict as we say or could you be more
3362
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:40,960
flexible like many of our colleagues
3363
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:41,920
recommend programs
3364
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,679
right problem we have with them is their
3365
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:45,440
recidivism rates their
3366
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:47,199
theory is that by being more flexible
3367
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:49,360
with the diet you'll get more people in
3368
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,280
our theory is by being strict with the
3369
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:52,880
diet you can keep more people
3370
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:54,960
in i can't prove that yet because that
3371
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,560
data hasn't been done we did just
3372
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,800
recently though do a retrospective
3373
01:37:58,800 --> 01:37:59,600
analysis
3374
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,320
of 1100 people that had been to the
3375
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,239
center and that had experienced
3376
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,480
10 or more of weight loss looking at
3377
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:08,560
what people had sustained that magnitude
3378
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,000
of weight loss over a period of a year
3379
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,920
and it was over 30 percent
3380
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,000
and so although that means a lot of
3381
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,440
people didn't maintain the full
3382
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:16,719
magnitude of weight loss that doesn't
3383
01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:17,920
mean that they haven't improved their
3384
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:19,440
overall health but just the fact that
3385
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,520
people can do that and sustain that
3386
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,119
and as much as a third of those people
3387
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:25,119
apparently are able to that's to me very
3388
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:25,840
encouraging
3389
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,280
because under conventional treatment
3390
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,320
weight loss is around 93 to 97
3391
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,040
failure rate no matter what wow gastric
3392
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:34,880
bypass when you look at who sustains
3393
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:35,920
long-term weight loss what kind of
3394
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:37,440
health benefits very poor
3395
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:38,880
it's so poor that most physicians say
3396
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,080
yeah it's not even worthwhile just let
3397
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:40,639
them be fat
3398
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:43,840
forget about it right um what is the
3399
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:44,400
study
3400
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,719
that you'd like to see done whether with
3401
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:48,400
respect to fasting or
3402
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,880
or eating a whole plant food diet like
3403
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:51,520
what what
3404
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,400
where's the gap right now well the real
3405
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:54,960
gap is
3406
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,880
looking at what effect on healthy people
3407
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,480
does healthy living have and
3408
01:38:58,480 --> 01:38:59,840
what effect on healthy people does
3409
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,840
periodic fasting have in terms of
3410
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,679
preventing them from ultimately getting
3411
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:04,639
debility
3412
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:05,840
and that's why we're doing what we call
3413
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,199
this navigator study where we're going
3414
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:08,880
to enroll a large number of people
3415
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,199
and track them the rest of their life
3416
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:12,719
and so the goal is to be able to
3417
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:14,239
demonstrate now it'll take us a while
3418
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:15,760
you know until they reach that that
3419
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,679
point uh and it's particularly a problem
3420
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:19,360
because once people adopt this diet and
3421
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,119
lifestyle habits they tend to live a lot
3422
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,040
longer my mother when she turned 92
3423
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,159
years old
3424
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:25,440
she used to get all kinds of trouble
3425
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,440
from her friends because her son's crazy
3426
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:29,280
diet that she's fine but at 92 she
3427
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:30,480
realized she had outlived all
3428
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:32,800
52 of her lifelong friends they were all
3429
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:33,840
dead
3430
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,000
and she said she realized here she was
3431
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,600
92 years old
3432
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,760
everybody was gone and she said alan you
3433
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,520
need to warn your patients
3434
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:42,639
if they're going to eat this kind of
3435
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:46,480
diet make younger friends
3436
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,560
much younger because she said even the
3437
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,000
people 10 years younger
3438
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,679
didn't want to play bridge and do stuff
3439
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:53,040
they were too busy suffering with their
3440
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,159
consequences
3441
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:56,480
so the bottom line is that it's likely
3442
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,239
that if you avoid the causes of
3443
01:39:58,239 --> 01:39:59,360
premature death
3444
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:00,400
you know you're still going to die
3445
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:01,520
you're going to reach your genetic
3446
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:02,480
potential someday
3447
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,159
but the period of debility may be
3448
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:05,520
dramatically reduced
3449
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,040
so you have to be prepared to live a
3450
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,199
fully functional life up until you reach
3451
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:10,400
your genetic potential
3452
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,719
and not count on vegetating in some
3453
01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:14,000
nursing home waiting for people to
3454
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,600
change your diaper for the last 10 years
3455
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,560
of your life
3456
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,760
i like that you got your mom on board
3457
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,679
well my mom and my father my father
3458
01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:23,440
actually when he when i just started
3459
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:24,960
practice was having transient
3460
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,719
shaming attacks had had to retire from
3461
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:28,960
teaching because of cognitive decline
3462
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,600
and he was really suffering he came in
3463
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,040
and was probably one of my most diligent
3464
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:33,920
patients
3465
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,320
did the fasting recovered his health and
3466
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:37,760
20 years later he helped edit the
3467
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:38,719
pleasure trap
3468
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:41,760
oh wow so you know he was cool he was
3469
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,040
really good to see how both my
3470
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,360
my mother and father uh you know got it
3471
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:46,880
started later in life because
3472
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,360
i didn't know you know yeah early enough
3473
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,760
but uh and both ended up doing uh uh
3474
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:52,639
doing really well
3475
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:55,199
so that was good and good lives and good
3476
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:55,760
deaths
3477
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,440
deaths in close proximity to the end of
3478
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:58,880
their life where
3479
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,800
that's what it's about i think it's an
3480
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,400
important issue it's oftentimes not
3481
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:03,600
really addressed
3482
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:05,280
that how valuable is this is to spend
3483
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,480
the last eight years of your life
3484
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,000
however long that's going to be
3485
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,600
fully functional capable of taking care
3486
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:10,800
of yourself and what percentage of
3487
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,320
health care do we expend
3488
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,080
on treating people where we don't affect
3489
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,600
their all-cause mortality and we may not
3490
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:16,960
even be improving the quality of their
3491
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:17,440
life
3492
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:19,199
but we're basically just fostering the
3493
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:21,520
consequences of poor dietary choices
3494
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,600
and oftentimes because people don't even
3495
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:24,560
realize
3496
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,000
that what they're doing is killing
3497
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,840
themselves with their fork and knife
3498
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,920
yeah and warehousing them through those
3499
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,360
later years where
3500
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,719
they're so uh debilitated that the
3501
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:36,719
quality of life is de minimis at that
3502
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:37,840
point
3503
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,560
so we talk a lot about longevity how how
3504
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,159
how many years are you going to live but
3505
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:43,520
it's really about the quality of those
3506
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:43,920
years
3507
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:45,679
yeah healthy life expectancy to me is
3508
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:47,280
even more important than life expectancy
3509
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:48,800
an interesting life expectancy for the
3510
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,280
first time is actually starting to drop
3511
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:52,880
healthy life expectancy the number of
3512
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,880
years you spend fully functional
3513
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,199
that should be i believe the target and
3514
01:41:57,199 --> 01:41:58,400
that's what i believe that
3515
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:59,920
where fasting can have the greatest good
3516
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:01,840
is in healthy people that use it
3517
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:02,960
preventatively
3518
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,960
to stay healthy in conjunction with a
3519
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,800
diet sleep and exercise regime that's
3520
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:07,840
health promoting
3521
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,800
are there other cultures overseas where
3522
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,880
fasting is more a part of
3523
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,600
the kind of mainstream well if you look
3524
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:16,400
in germany
3525
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,080
modified fasting at least the book
3526
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:19,440
entire clinic and others are
3527
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,119
covered by the system and i think
3528
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:22,560
there's a little bit more acceptance of
3529
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,480
it water only fasting is still pretty
3530
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:26,159
extreme yeah and i think it's up to us
3531
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:27,679
to actually demonstrate that what we're
3532
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,679
doing is not only safe which we've done
3533
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:31,520
but it's effective and and i can't say
3534
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:32,800
that that's been done there's not enough
3535
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:33,679
research done
3536
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:34,880
but that's why the true north health
3537
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:36,560
foundation is excited we have a
3538
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:37,440
laboratory now
3539
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:39,520
we have an affiliated irb so human
3540
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:40,719
subjects communities can be
3541
01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:42,000
approved by people that actually know
3542
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,639
stuff about um fasting in fact dr
3543
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:47,600
clapper is one of the uh professional
3544
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:48,639
members of the
3545
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:51,760
irb and um we have a research team dr
3546
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,280
meyers our director of research
3547
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,199
and others that we've now hired to be
3548
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:56,960
able to actually conduct these trials
3549
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,320
we've got these affiliations with
3550
01:42:58,320 --> 01:42:59,600
researchers around the world some of
3551
01:42:59,600 --> 01:42:59,920
these
3552
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,080
big impact researchers like walter longo
3553
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,520
so hopefully we'll be able to do some
3554
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:05,040
meaningful research in the next couple
3555
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:05,520
years
3556
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:06,960
we have a great human subjects
3557
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:08,639
laboratory at the 200th health center
3558
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,560
we admit a thousand people a year for
3559
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:11,920
fasting already we
3560
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,159
already have all the mechanisms in place
3561
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:16,880
to conduct the trial to collect the data
3562
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,119
you know it's happening and so for me
3563
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:21,360
it's 36 years waiting to get to this
3564
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:22,719
point to where we can actually start
3565
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:24,639
doing meaningful prospective studies
3566
01:43:24,639 --> 01:43:26,639
we're there now and we're ready to do it
3567
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:28,080
and the proceeds from the true north
3568
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:28,960
health center
3569
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,880
fund the true north health foundation
3570
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,199
and so we're not dependent on exogenous
3571
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:35,440
grants in order to we thank goodness in
3572
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:36,719
order to be able to fund our research
3573
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:38,880
because we can do it internally
3574
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,239
and and that's perhaps one of our
3575
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:41,600
greatest successes is really pulling
3576
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:42,880
that off that's why you don't see i
3577
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:44,320
don't think a lot of clinical research
3578
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:45,679
being done by other than
3579
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:47,280
university-based facilities with all
3580
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,800
their politics we're really a
3581
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,159
freestanding independent
3582
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,159
research facility that isn't dependent
3583
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:53,920
or beholden to anybody
3584
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,600
and you need to educate the next
3585
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,679
generation of medical practitioners
3586
01:43:57,679 --> 01:44:01,280
which is exactly what dr clapper
3587
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,000
treasure to humanity is doing in this
3588
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,840
like third act of his career going
3589
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:07,440
around and lecturing to young medical
3590
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:07,840
students
3591
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,119
absolutely that's cool and that's what
3592
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:10,719
our internship in residency training is
3593
01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:12,480
all about yeah
3594
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:15,679
so you only have 70 some odd beds right
3595
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:18,719
not everybody can go to true north so
3596
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:20,639
what is the recommendation like how do
3597
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:22,400
you talk to the person who's listening
3598
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,080
to this or watching this who's looking
3599
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,000
to make some lifestyle changes but isn't
3600
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,119
ready to
3601
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:30,080
you know just get in their car and drive
3602
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,760
up to northern california we'll share
3603
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,000
with you for foreign coaching service is
3604
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,040
really great they can go into our
3605
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:36,880
website and get access to a doctor
3606
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,560
right where they sit for under a hundred
3607
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,000
dollars they can do a phone consultation
3608
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:40,880
where all of their
3609
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,320
records have been reviewed and worked
3610
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,480
with a doctor in detail on an ongoing
3611
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:44,960
basis
3612
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,719
they can talk to me for free they can
3613
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:48,159
call and i'll help at least point them
3614
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:49,119
in the right direction
3615
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:50,639
send them to a place that's closest to
3616
01:44:50,639 --> 01:44:51,840
them hook them up with the appropriate
3617
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,600
doctor whatever it is they need to do
3618
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,080
or they can read the books now get dr
3619
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:56,880
campbell's
3620
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,280
whole book and read it or china's study
3621
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:00,560
look at dr
3622
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:02,639
mcdougall's excellent books star
3623
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:04,880
solutions the start solution is fabulous
3624
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,159
um dr esselstyn's book wonderful i mean
3625
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,960
we've got so many great resources now
3626
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,320
from people that are out there doing a
3627
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:13,760
really good job representing the
3628
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,440
scientific literature accurately
3629
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:16,800
in it but in a way that people can
3630
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,080
understand and they're meaningful and
3631
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:18,880
useful
3632
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:21,040
our website everything we do is freely
3633
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:22,560
available on our website
3634
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,960
at truenorthhealth.com so they can go on
3635
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,320
there there's video
3636
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:27,920
in fact we're just about to launch our
3637
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,080
own roku channel where all of our
3638
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:31,440
content is going to be available
3639
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:32,159
including our
3640
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:33,920
lecture program our live lecture program
3641
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:35,280
at the center so people have
3642
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,800
access to that kind of education and
3643
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,920
support obviously
3644
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,159
you know nobody should do a water only
3645
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:43,040
fast
3646
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:44,960
without medical supervision but if
3647
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:46,159
somebody
3648
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:48,400
does want to start experimenting with
3649
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,320
some intermittent fasting or some things
3650
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:51,760
that they could do at home like how do
3651
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:52,480
you
3652
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:53,840
what's the kind of advice that you give
3653
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:55,840
to that the first advice it's really
3654
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,920
important that history exam and lab they
3655
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:58,960
looked at just because
3656
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:00,719
the medications particularly can really
3657
01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:02,400
be complicated even with intermittent
3658
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:03,040
fasting
3659
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,880
unless you take care of the medication
3660
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,400
complications
3661
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:07,679
you know you can get yourself into a
3662
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:08,880
little bit of trouble so whoever's
3663
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,480
prescribing that medication
3664
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:11,920
at least needs to be discussed with a
3665
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:13,119
lot of times they don't know anything
3666
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:14,159
about diet they don't even know how to
3667
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:15,520
get people off drugs
3668
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:17,600
and so that's why i would suggest find a
3669
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,000
local uh plant-based doctor or use one
3670
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,600
of our phone coaches to at least make
3671
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:21,920
sure
3672
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,000
am i a good candidate for this and then
3673
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,360
they can tell you look you'd be a good
3674
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:26,880
candidate you might want to do vulture
3675
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,400
longo's programming you might want to do
3676
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:29,920
here's something you can do on your own
3677
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:31,600
these are things that are reasonable the
3678
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,760
problem is people are so screwed up
3679
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:35,679
from long-term dietary abuse and
3680
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:37,360
medication complications
3681
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:38,880
that even simple things like we'll just
3682
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,560
eat a good diet yes that's great
3683
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,880
anybody can do that but you still may
3684
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,159
need to keep into account that you might
3685
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:45,920
have to modify the the pharmaceutical
3686
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,119
preparations that you've been given
3687
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:48,880
inappropriately
3688
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,679
and what about um people that are that
3689
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:52,080
are
3690
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,760
moving in the direction of eating a more
3691
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,239
whole plant-based diet what are some of
3692
01:46:58,239 --> 01:46:59,199
the
3693
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:02,560
sort of psychological tools that they
3694
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:03,760
can rely on
3695
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:07,199
that would be helpful in making them
3696
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,119
successful in that switch well one thing
3697
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:11,360
i'd say is keep it to yourself
3698
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:12,719
don't become you know born again
3699
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:13,920
hygienist where you're trying to shove
3700
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,520
down your beliefs and other people's
3701
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,040
it because it doesn't work very well
3702
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:18,159
you're just going to antagonize
3703
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:19,360
everybody around you and make a lot of
3704
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:20,080
stress
3705
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,080
so you can set a good example but my
3706
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:23,840
advice is only answer questions that are
3707
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,840
asked directly don't be going around and
3708
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,360
and trying to shove your belief systems
3709
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,280
and everybody else but support is also
3710
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:30,960
important right having some
3711
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,800
accountability to somebody
3712
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,719
seems to be effective yeah and that's
3713
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:36,320
why i always encourage people to
3714
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:38,480
to take advantage of you know around the
3715
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:39,360
country now there
3716
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:41,280
are doctors that aren't complete idiots
3717
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:42,560
that are trying to encourage and
3718
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,400
advocate support the plant-based
3719
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,880
uh physicians et cetera so there are
3720
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,719
resources available that's one of the
3721
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:50,080
reasons i'm excited about this phone
3722
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:51,679
coaching business because we can expand
3723
01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:52,400
that
3724
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,960
uh broad you know all across the world
3725
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:55,679
this is you know
3726
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:57,280
automated systems are highly efficient
3727
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,360
we're adding more doctors to the list
3728
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,440
as the demand increases so that there
3729
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:02,800
will be people
3730
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,480
and resources available to people that
3731
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:05,840
are serious about making these diet
3732
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,360
lifestyle changes honestly for
3733
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,800
relatively healthy people
3734
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,400
all they got to do is start eating a
3735
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,080
whole plant food diet and stop the rest
3736
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:12,480
of it
3737
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,639
for those of the you that struggle
3738
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:15,679
making those changes
3739
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:17,040
those are then you have to find the
3740
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:18,400
appropriate support that you need and if
3741
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,000
you can have even one friend
3742
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,520
that they don't even have to do it they
3743
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,360
could just be tolerate you doing it that
3744
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:24,400
does make a difference
3745
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:28,080
yeah so right now you i'm sure know the
3746
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:29,520
statistics better than i do
3747
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,719
but something like 70 percent
3748
01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:35,600
of americans are obese or overweight
3749
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,360
childhood obesity rates are through the
3750
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:38,480
roof
3751
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:42,000
type 2 diabetes epidemic is what
3752
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,480
30 of america whatever it is it's going
3753
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:45,440
to be more tomorrow
3754
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:48,080
right these these things are escalating
3755
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,600
astronomically
3756
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,800
and this really is you know covid
3757
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,400
pandemic aside like this is that this is
3758
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,760
a you know a health pandemic epidemic of
3759
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,440
a different nature
3760
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:05,119
that um needs to be addressed in new and
3761
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:06,400
different ways what we're doing right
3762
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:06,800
now
3763
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:09,360
certainly is not working and the path
3764
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,040
forward and what you have so
3765
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,719
beautifully demonstrated through a
3766
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:14,400
lifetime of work is
3767
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,840
to show that agency plays a huge part
3768
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,599
here and that we can
3769
01:49:19,599 --> 01:49:22,400
take better control of our health by
3770
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,080
making some pretty basic
3771
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,360
simple lifestyle changes that are rooted
3772
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:28,880
in evidence-based
3773
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,880
medicine and science that are proven to
3774
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,960
work i mean 20 000 patients
3775
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,040
over the years the a level of success
3776
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:36,560
that you've experienced
3777
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:39,920
the long-term success of these patients
3778
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,800
speaks for itself and it's powerful man
3779
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,480
and so
3780
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,080
for somebody who's listening or watching
3781
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:47,679
who feels stuck who feels like they
3782
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:49,119
can't make that change who
3783
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:52,400
is mired in the vicious cycle
3784
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,280
of the pleasure trap to be able to give
3785
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,040
people a lifeline and say it doesn't
3786
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,719
have to be this way that there is hope
3787
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:01,360
and there is a way out i think is
3788
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,119
you know that's god's work that you're
3789
01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:05,440
doing yeah we're having fun
3790
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:06,639
you know and uh you know it's
3791
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:08,800
interesting the uh the uh
3792
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,320
feedback from the pleasure trap has been
3793
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:11,599
interesting because that book came out
3794
01:50:11,599 --> 01:50:12,000
uh
3795
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,239
more than that it's been a long time but
3796
01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:16,480
actually the sales of the pleasure trap
3797
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:17,840
now are actually
3798
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,560
increasing so it's take that message is
3799
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:21,920
a message maybe you've been a little bit
3800
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,199
of ahead of its time
3801
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:25,199
but now it seems like it's resonating
3802
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:26,800
with a broader audience
3803
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:28,639
and that uh that's been really
3804
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:30,080
interesting to see we have a new book
3805
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,440
that we're working on right now on
3806
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:32,960
fasting that will be on or be done by
3807
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,239
the end of the year so we're excited
3808
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:34,880
about that
3809
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:36,880
actually dr lyle is finally coming
3810
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,480
towards the end of his book that he's
3811
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:39,840
been working on
3812
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,480
for a number of years is he in hawaii
3813
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:43,199
he's on
3814
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,280
a white right now he's on a writing
3815
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,199
sequestration in hawaii right now and
3816
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:48,880
he's not to come home until he finishes
3817
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:49,760
the book so
3818
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,840
i had dr greger in here the other day
3819
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:52,800
and i think there
3820
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,440
he is now out there they're all out
3821
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:57,440
there writing books together yeah so i'm
3822
01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:58,400
really excited i've heard
3823
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,560
20 of the chapters off dr last book and
3824
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:02,320
it's brilliant and it's i'm really
3825
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:03,360
excited
3826
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,119
to have him put that out there because i
3827
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:06,880
think that's going to be a whole nother
3828
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:08,800
you know message and another angle
3829
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,320
that's going to be really necessary and
3830
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:11,040
very useful
3831
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:15,040
cool final question that i ask all of my
3832
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,520
medical professional guests if you were
3833
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,360
suddenly in the position of being the
3834
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,199
surgeon general
3835
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:24,080
in charge of making policy decisions and
3836
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,320
regulatory decisions about health in
3837
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,239
america where do you start well what i
3838
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:29,920
would say right now the most important
3839
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,360
thing is
3840
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,040
recognizing that we need to make our
3841
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,040
people less vulnerable
3842
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:36,800
to the various diseases whether it's
3843
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,480
chronic diseases like heart disease and
3844
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:39,280
diabetes
3845
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,679
or the acute diseases like cova 19 we
3846
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:42,719
need to make them
3847
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:44,000
less vulnerable so we have to start
3848
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,159
educating people up that health results
3849
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:46,960
from health
3850
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:50,880
living so we need to fight to improve
3851
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,599
the diet and lifestyle habits of people
3852
01:51:53,599 --> 01:51:55,040
because honestly you're not going to
3853
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:56,719
completely avoid exposure to every
3854
01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:57,360
infectious
3855
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:58,800
agent that comes along and we're not
3856
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:00,400
going to be able to escape
3857
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,800
heart disease cancer and diabetes unless
3858
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:03,679
we adopt
3859
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:05,360
healthful habits so we should be
3860
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,440
incentivizing encouraging intimidating
3861
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:08,880
whatever it takes people
3862
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,639
to adopt a health-promoting diet
3863
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:12,400
lifestyle my opinion is that
3864
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,639
is close to a whole plant food sos free
3865
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:17,840
diet with regular sleep and prioritized
3866
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,239
regular exercise and prioritized sleep
3867
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:21,840
as you can get that that's what's going
3868
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,599
to result in healthy living
3869
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:26,400
diet sleep exercise you do that you'll
3870
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:28,480
do more than all the other
3871
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:31,440
job boning that's taking place right now
3872
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:33,760
powerful dr goldhamer thank you
3873
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,520
my pleasure thank you for having me yeah
3874
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,040
of course i appreciate it
3875
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,599
thank you uh for sharing your powerful
3876
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:40,960
testimony today
3877
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,280
um if you want to learn more about dr
3878
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:45,280
goldhamer and his works pick up the
3879
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:46,800
pleasure trap book that he co-wrote with
3880
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,639
doug lyle
3881
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:51,040
and where is the best place to direct
3882
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,719
people online to learn more about what
3883
01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:55,760
you're doing well if you go to
3884
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:57,040
www.truenorthhealth.com
3885
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:58,560
you'll get access to everything you need
3886
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,159
if you want to learn specifically about
3887
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:00,800
fasting
3888
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,960
there's a website called fasting.org
3889
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,360
which is a fast and compendium website
3890
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,119
cool and i'll link all that up in the
3891
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:08,400
show notes and
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your phone's going to start ringing all
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right
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come back and talk to me again
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you
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