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One of the films on this collection
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as the as the great title, Invisible Man appears.
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I assume that that's not a joke
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that's a reason in translation I assume that's a deliberate and
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in talking about the Invisible Man
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as a franchise character or invisibility as concept,
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you keep coming up with these voluntary or involuntary pawns.
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So when that happens, just go with it.
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Yeah, we know you can't see the Invisible Man.
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It is that I mean, I believe even films have used that.
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Yeah, come and see the Invisible Man.
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And the thing is this thing it's quite easy to overlook
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the Invisible Man as
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as the key
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franchise fiend that he is.
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The concept of invisibility has been with
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within in mythology,
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it's been around forever.
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Yeah, the cloak of invisibility that you see in mythological movies
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that's in Fritz Lang.
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Nibelungen has an invisibility cloak and,
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but also some of those Ray Harryhausen,
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Sinbad movies do as well.
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That's the sort of one time thing
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rather than being invisible
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being an invisible being
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HG Wells, the Invisible Man,
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one of his run of 1890s key science fiction, novels,
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Time Machine war of the worlds
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I'm Dr. Moreau.
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First Man in the Moon.
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It's the one that filmmakers would latched
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on to it in a way that all actually
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Wells is most famous novels.
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It he wrote at the time, the movies were being invented,
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he was really interested in making movies.
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I mean, he ended up working on the shape of things to come.
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But he actually shot a couple of silent comedies.
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He wrote some scenarios.
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He was very aware he even did this thing
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of patenting a sort of theme park ride
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based on the time machine.
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And I, I suspect, the Invisible Man,
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although it's a case of taking a legendary notion
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and trying to come up with a scientific rationale for it.
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And having a scientific background,
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there are things that they're in the novel of the Invisible Man
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like the Griffin, the character who becomes invisible isn't albino
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already. Because that that means he's sort of
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Yeah, the lack of pigment is something that
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that the invisibility potion will only work on an albino.
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But I wonder if wells also was aware of the trick films
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that the male yeas type movies they're going right?
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There's a sort of a feeling that the Invisible Man
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which is actually like a lot of Wells's science fiction novels,
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it's deceptively effortless as a book,
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it's a ripping yarn.
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And it's got a lot of ideas in it. It has a really fascinating narrative
device
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of being mostly a third person narrative,
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which allows you to know what all the characters are thinking
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except the Invisible Man,
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who had some point as a long section
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where he talks directly to another character,
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and therefore to the reader. So the Invisible Man tells you things,
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but you don't know how true they are.
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You don't get his point of view.
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He is invisible to the reader because of that.
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Which is, yeah, it's a trick,
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but it's a really interesting and it's kind of cool trick.
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The first Invisible Man movie amusingly is a crossover picture.
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It's Sherlock Holmes baffled,
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which is it's Sherlock Holmes versus the Invisible Man.
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I doubt if they paid the right stuff,
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either of the characters, and it's a very, very brief film,
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it's just a single joke.
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And yet, this is the prehistory of Invisible Man cinema.
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And there are a couple of other silent films
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with invisible man characters who they're
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they're all derived from the wells novel,
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rather than from fairy tale versions of invisibility.
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We have those as well.
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But the the idea of an Invisible Man,
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as opposed to a cloak of invisibility or
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a spell limited visibility seems to originate with Wells
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and then it becomes a a film property
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at Universal in the early 1930s
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were James Whale having made Frankenstein
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and the old Dark House is looking around
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for another property
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to turn into
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a we hadn't yet solidified the notion
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of what a horror film was.
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And so Frankenstein is a horror film.
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But it's also a sort of science fiction film,
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as is the contemporary Reuben mood
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Boolean version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
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The Invisible Man.
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It's not a horror novel. It's a science fiction novel,
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but it has a sort of Gothic aspect to it.
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There is a part of the plot,
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which is now part of the plot of all Invisible Man films,
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it's certainly a key point of the plot of Invisible Man
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appears is that being invisible, drives you insane?
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In the novel, there's a feeling
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that is just the the existential nightmare of nobody
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being able to see you is the downside to all the really cool things
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you can do because you're invisible.
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The and this is obviously the the sort of Porky style peeping
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into the lady's shower room
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invisibility aspect and the the shoplifting and
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tweaking noses and teasing peasants kind of stuff,
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which which is sort of the appealing Invisible Man behavior
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which then spirals out of control into homicidal mania
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and megalomaniac as a vision
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yeah, there's a thing where he was
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the Invisible Man calls himself invisible man
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the first as if he's going to rule the world or
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or and that idea in the films tends to be slightly simplified
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into that there's a side effect of the drug
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which drives people crazy.
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And that's part of the the universal Invisible Man films
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it's part of Invisible Man appears
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it recurs in other
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it probably reaches its absolute height
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in the wonderful sleazy director, video movie,
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the invisible maniac, which predates Paul the heavens
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Hollow Man by some years and
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the slogan for that was out of sight and out of his mind,
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that that what happens with with the Invisible Man,
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James whale's version of the Invisible Man
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was a film that went through a bunch of development processes,
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a whole series of scripts were written,
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which apparently more and more flamboyant,
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and who tray in and out there. And if you look at what Wale did with
Frankenstein,
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that's not entirely against his,
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but he brought in RC Sheriff,
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the man who wrote Journey's End,
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the play that had been wells, big success in the theater
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and then again, as a film,
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to do a script, which basically goes back to Wales his book,
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but it's from Wales, his book and
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Wales film that we get is the notion of the Invisible Man
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as a genre dates back to that.
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These Japanese films,
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they use all the things they
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the stuff like the bandages and the dressing gown
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and the unmasking the unwrapping scene,
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which is a case where wells just wrote
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a brilliant special effects sequence.
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And then it with the Hollywood it was,
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John Fulton was the the effects man who,
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who came up with all the ways to show it on screen.
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And then the Japanese films they actually adapt Fulton's techniques
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almost, is a straight lift.
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And gives you the notion of the Rampage,
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the objects moving across the room by themselves,
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either on wires or through super impositions
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for all the the apparatus of the Invisible Man films.
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Even the thing of casting somebody with a really great voice.
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It's Claude Rains in the Invisible Man
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who can project character.
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Although sometimes you need really good mime
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as well as a lot of ranting glove acting in in the Invisible Man films.
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But anyway, the Invisible Man, a big hit movie,
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an otter work by James Whale and
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important adaptation of an important HG Wells novel,
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but from the studio's point of view,
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it's like they were creating franchises
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they hadn't yet worked on it.
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The original franchise was, I suppose,
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Universal Monsters, universal horror, and so they did Dracula
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followed by Frankenstein floated by the mummy
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followed by the Invisible Man and a few others
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that didn't take off to the invisible array and
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maybe the Black Cat was a sort of Edgar Allan Paco
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Karloff Lugosi was the it was the pitch for that.
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But anyway, the studio created this genre which was was theirs.
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But later on they made Bride of Frankenstein,
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Dracula's daughter.
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And then for various industrial reasons
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they stopped doing it for a couple of years probably mainly because
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Britain banned a bunch of these films and
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said you this is nasty and evil and you shouldn't do it.
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But in the late 30s, they got past that.
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And they they revived the format with the son of Frankenstein
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was the big super production that brought back Universal Monsters and
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that it also combined Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi,
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he was supposed to have clawed rave from us,
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oh man, but they went with Basil Rathbone instead
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or dreads was that in the Wolfman,
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which was the sort of the next addition to the Universal Monsters cannon.
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But son of Frankenstein taught them not just to expand their monsters
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but to go back to the ones they had.
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And they looked at the mummy and
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sort of rejigged that into the mummies hand,
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which starts its own franchise, and
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they made the Invisible Man returns,
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which was Vincent Price's first horror film,
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although of course he didn't see much of him in it
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but you've got in fact yet that great Vincent Price voice.
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Vincent Price later refreeze the role of the Invisible Man in
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Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein
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he's the Joker at the end of it where
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he appears smoking cigarettes
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The Invisible Man that's another key
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invisible thing to do smoke a cigarette
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was you get the outline of the face or the lungs?
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In Smoke?
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Yeah, you can also do it with going out in the rain
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or in in one invisible man fell me
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smears his face with face cream.
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Maybe with the Invisible Man returns
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sort of sets the seal on what
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Invisible Man seat calls we're going to be.
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And Invisible Man appears and
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Invisible Man versus the human fly.
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Both take Invisible Man returns as a template.
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Yes, there is a character who becomes invisible
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through taking a scientific formula rather than magic.
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But there's also a crime story going on in Israel
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mountain returns it's to do with corruption
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in the British mining industry.
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There's Cedric Hardwick plays a a villain
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who's out to do bad things that are mine.
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And it's merely the fact that the Vincent Price character has become
invisible,
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incidentally, that the now allows him to go out and get get justice.
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Yeah, he's the the Invisible Man is kind of a detective kind of a
vigilante,
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but also an incipient megalomaniac.
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So he's a monster who's sort of a good guy.
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Often you don't think of the individual man as a universal monster
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in the way you think of Frankenstein Dracula on the Wolfman.
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And yet, why is because he met Abbott and Costello, isn't he?
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Yeah. There's an Abbott and Costello Meet the Invisible Man as well
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as that little bit in Meet Frankenstein.
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And there's invisible agent which is the film
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in which the Invisible Man becomes a patriotic good guy.
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Lot of serious characters like Sherlock Holmes
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and Tarzan turned patriotic in World War Two
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other series characters like Mr. Moto who was Japanese
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just didn't appear at all.
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Charlie Chan, they had a couple of wartime cases.
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Yeah, so yeah, and so invisible agent gives you invisible man versus Nazis.
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So a case where the Invisible Man is,
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although he's still sort of crazy,
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is absolutely a good guy.
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And then there was the Invisible Woman,
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which is sex PFASs.
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That's mixed in with the the series and Invisible Man's revenge,
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which switches back into horror.
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That's much more a crazy psychopath becomes invisible.
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But again, there's a crime plot going on
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that the reasonable man doesn't really have that much to do with
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until he gets involved and get some kind.
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I mean, he gets his revenge on people who've been bad to him.
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Invisible Man appears
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sort of just lifts what these American films are doing
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and transfers it to to Japan.
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It's odd as a film that looks back to the universal films of the 1940s
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Possibly because they hadn't been available in Japan until after the war.
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And so they were quite fresh and recent
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when Invisible Man appears
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was also I suspect that Wells was a constant seller in Japan
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so they were they were looking to do
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The Literary sorts.
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But it looks a little like the sort of films
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that were going to be made in America a couple of years later,
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because it doesn't have much in the way of Gothic atmosphere
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which of all the American Invisible Man films had.
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They were old dark house type movies
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set in a mostly sort of studio bound version of Britain,
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which is very like the version of Britain you see in the Wolfman
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or the Sherlock Holmes films at the time.
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But Invisible Man appears
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this looks like a 1950s American science fiction movie,
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it's on locations.
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There are, there's a lot of shots of
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like the police roaring into action.
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There's a sort of documentary on the streets footage.
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And there's an insanely complicated plot about stolen jewels,
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which somehow seems to be more interesting to the people
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than the fact that there's an invisible man.
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It's like, Yeah, okay. Yeah, there's an invisible man.
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And it's unique, I think, in that,
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that it's sort of a mystery as to who the Invisible Man is.
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Although, if anybody is fooled, they'll be surprised.
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But it still is quite clever that they take that route.
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It is something that's different from earlier Invisible Man films,
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but it is almost like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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forget that. It is well, man, what about getting
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this getting our hands on the duels, but
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obviously, it must have been a at least a minor hit in Japan
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because they will follow ups,
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Invisible Man versus human fly.
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The the the other film in this set is 10 years later,
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like the universal Invisible Man films.
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It's sort of not quite a reboot, and
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not quite as equal,
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it doesn't seem to feature the same invisibility formula
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or any of the same characters, even though
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it would have been quite easy to put in
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a couple of dialogue references to the earlier film.
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And have you know what we now think of in sort of Marvel Comics terms,
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there's a continuity between the Invisible Man and the human fly.
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Marvel Comics quite an interesting reference in this case,
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because the the, the human fly
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kind of evokes the 1950s Fly movies
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also with Vincent Price. Yeah, the teleportation mishap,
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but actually the human fly is much more like Ant Man
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as a character or even the ant man's girlfriend the wasp
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is a shrunken down regular guy
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I mean, you hear it here, the Invisible Man is framed
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and has to go on the offensive.
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Another sort of weird precedent for for Marvel comics is
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that invisible man versus human fly features and
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Invisible Woman a couple of years before
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the invisible girl made her debut as one of the Fantastic Four.
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I actually quite like the way Invisible Man versus human fly
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sort of sets up as if it's the first we're going to be
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a series of adventures about basically the invisible gang, isn't it?
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You got a squad of, of invisible people by the end,
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who could have gone on to fight more and more bizarre adventures.
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But actually they had sort of got out of the business.
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I think it's partly because they're great rival Toho started
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I think they poached their effects team.
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Super Raya, the great Godzilla guy had done some work for day
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and moved over to the opposition, and
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they will toe had this little run
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in between they're big giant monster films or films,
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which they have complicated title things but mostly in English.
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They're known as the
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ah man the human vapor and secret of the two Legion.
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None of them are Invisible Man films,
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except they have the same plot and structure of Invisible Man films.
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They're researchers who do something to themselves
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that resented that render them intangible or
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able to get into bank vaults through teleportation or by turning into gas.
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Or sometimes it's done accidentally by atomic mutation.
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But anyway, they they are characters who have superpowers who become
criminals,
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super criminals in the way the Invisible Man does.
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This was sort of revived as a theme by Alan Moore
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and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen where he looks back at these
Victorian characters like Dr. Jekyll Mr. Hyde,
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the Invisible Man and sees them as proto Marvel comic superheroes
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and then does a superhero or super villain team up book about them.
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And when they made League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is not very good film.
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They also had an invisible man on the on the squad in that.
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So what we get in these two films is we see actually
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it fills in a really crucial bill.
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The block in the history of the invisible band as a franchise
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is it takes the invisible man out of the the monster movie,
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which is where he'd been before.
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Usually monster movies with crime overtones,
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and switches him into his kind of crime,
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superpower superhero story also mingling a bit
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with sort of detective stories or espionage stories.
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Interestingly, all there have been a whole bunch of subsequent Invisible
Man TV series,
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there was one with David McCallum in the 70s and
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Gemini man with Ben Murphy,
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which followed on from the invisible monsters,
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and there have been recent sort of attempts to reboot the Invisible Man as
TV series,
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and they have all been spy shows
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they've all been invisible agent stories going back to that world war two
thing,
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the idea that the Invisible Man will be sort of patriotic
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and do good things for the country
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when he's not taking off bandages and
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walking around naked and yeah,
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moving laboratory equipment in order to prank people.
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And you know this
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this again feeds back into what we get
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in Hollow Man the pull the hub of motion,
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where it's just a scientist,
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who goes crazy and does terrible things
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is back to the Invisible Man as a slasher.
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It seemed as if the Invisible Man was literally going to fade away.
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Universal films who of course, had the Invisible Man as one of their key
monsters,
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and made various attempts to revive their franchise, all unsuccessful.
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There was, you know, the remake of The Wolfman?
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Several versions of the mummy Van Helsing.
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None of these had invisible men in them,
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but they were all Universal Monsters.
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They all didn't really work.
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You know, there was one version of the mummy that sort of was successful,
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but the last one with Tom Cruise.
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Yeah, there was a plan to make a whole interlocking Marvel style universe
of Universal Monsters
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that would I think I've had Johnny Depp as the Invisible Man.
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But the Tom Cruise version of the mummy died so badly
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that everybody just decided not to do that.
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And universal then sublicense their monsters franchise to Blum house,
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the independent company that specializes in horror.
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Famously, they may get out, but they've done a lot of other really
fascinating interesting low budget work
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and a lot of middling rubbish that's just there.
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And they gave the Invisible Man to leave one out,
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who's one of the creators of the show franchise
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and made a really solid film called upgrade.
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And he turned in an Invisible Man film called The Invisible Man
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with a character called Griffin, just like the traditional universal,
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Invisible Man, that was a big hit,
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and reestablished the franchise as a commercial entity,
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but also finally came up with an idea for an Invisible Man film
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that was not the same as all the others.
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If you look at everything from the Invisible Man through the Hollow Man
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to Memoirs of an invisible man, to the Invisible Woman,
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to all kinds of other invisible movies,
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the protagonist is the invisible character,
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you become invisible with them.
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Here the protagonist was the Invisible Man's ex girlfriend
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played by Elisabeth Moss,
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and it was the idea of the Invisible Man as stalker
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as creepy characterize men
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it's the new Invisible Man is a tech genius
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wearing a suit that does something weird with optics
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that renders him invisible.
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Yeah, it's as nonstick nonsensical as any other Invisible Man story
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or rationale for science of invisibility
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but it kind of works for the movie,
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but it allowed for new and different kinds of Invisible Man sequences,
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Invisible Man scare stuff.
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So after all these years the Invisible Man is back
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