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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,966 I would go out occasionally to a cocktail party, 2 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:37,311 and I was fascinated by all of what I saw there. 3 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:39,145 There were a few guys dancing with a few guys, 4 00:00:39,205 --> 00:00:42,379 a couple of gals dancing with a couple gals. 5 00:00:42,475 --> 00:00:44,921 It was just a party, and people were 6 00:00:44,978 --> 00:00:48,516 dancing and having a good time. 7 00:00:48,615 --> 00:00:50,390 Parties like this were illegal. 8 00:00:54,187 --> 00:00:57,532 And the next think I know the cops came in. 9 00:00:57,624 --> 00:01:00,230 Doors burst open, there they were. 10 00:01:00,293 --> 00:01:02,773 They were arresting a bunch of queers. 11 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:10,074 They took us down to the police station. 12 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:15,677 I thought, oh, my god, this is terrible. 13 00:01:15,742 --> 00:01:22,023 I thought, what would my mother think of my being arrested? 14 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:24,722 Will it affect this career that I'm trying to get 15 00:01:24,818 --> 00:01:28,789 started in the motion pictures? 16 00:01:28,855 --> 00:01:31,495 An attorney, Harry Weiss, appeared. 17 00:01:31,558 --> 00:01:33,094 He was well known for taking care 18 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:35,673 of situations like that with many, many Hollywood people. 19 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:42,410 And he said, you've got to be a lot sharper than you are. 20 00:01:42,502 --> 00:01:43,480 You're in Hollywood now. 21 00:01:43,536 --> 00:01:49,214 You want to be an actor and really laid down the law to me. 22 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:52,552 And then I was released. 23 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:54,592 I had no idea it was going to jump up and be 24 00:01:54,681 --> 00:01:58,390 thrown at me years later. 25 00:01:58,451 --> 00:01:59,953 He's the young fellow you've been waiting for, 26 00:02:00,053 --> 00:02:03,933 ladies and gentlemen, Tab Hunter. 27 00:02:04,023 --> 00:02:05,127 MAN: Six feet of rugged manhood can 28 00:02:05,191 --> 00:02:06,795 stir the heart of every woman. 29 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:09,568 Oh, my goodness, I'm flabbergasted! 30 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:10,334 Tab Hunter. 31 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:11,602 MAN: How do you shave, Tab'? 32 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:13,302 With Gillette Super Speed of course. 33 00:02:13,366 --> 00:02:14,071 Tab Hunter! 34 00:02:15,301 --> 00:02:17,144 You tell me where I can fine Tab Hunter. 35 00:02:17,237 --> 00:02:18,045 Well, you do pretty good. 36 00:02:18,104 --> 00:02:18,878 Gee, thanks. 37 00:02:18,938 --> 00:02:20,144 MAN: What do you like about Tab Hunter? 38 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,379 Well, (LAUGHING) quite a few things. 39 00:02:23,276 --> 00:02:23,913 MAN (SINGING): That clean cut, unaffected Tab Hunter. 40 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:24,751 GIRLS: Tab! 41 00:02:26,946 --> 00:02:28,823 MAN (SINGING): That All-American boy. 42 00:02:31,718 --> 00:02:34,528 Shocking, but true story of a young man who found himself 43 00:02:34,587 --> 00:02:37,431 overwhelmed by a strange compulsion. 44 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:40,630 Hello, I'm Tab Hunter, and I've got a secret. 45 00:02:40,727 --> 00:02:43,037 Well, I would never have talked about my personal life 46 00:02:43,096 --> 00:02:44,769 in the 1950s. 47 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,606 Something the matter, kid? 48 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:47,371 What? 49 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:48,172 Oh, no. 50 00:02:48,268 --> 00:02:49,542 No, not a thing. 51 00:02:49,602 --> 00:02:52,139 TAB HUNTER: I obviously was very closeted. 52 00:02:52,238 --> 00:02:54,184 And I'm sure it's a very difficult thing 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,516 to think, what's the problem? 54 00:02:56,576 --> 00:02:57,714 But there was a problem. 55 00:03:00,647 --> 00:03:02,684 It's been very difficult for me my whole life 56 00:03:02,782 --> 00:03:06,252 talking about that side of me. 57 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:07,992 For me to come out of myself like this 58 00:03:08,087 --> 00:03:11,261 and to share all of this is extremely difficult. 59 00:03:11,324 --> 00:03:13,361 I've never been as open as I am with you 60 00:03:13,459 --> 00:03:16,804 because it's been written about and what the heck? 61 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:18,001 You know, I'm an old man. 62 00:03:18,097 --> 00:03:20,873 You know, this my life-- big deal. 63 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:30,548 (mum-nus) 64 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:33,819 When I count three, will all of the ladies in the audience 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,326 please go, (SIGHING). 66 00:03:36,382 --> 00:03:38,419 Tab, when I was young, when I first saw him, 67 00:03:38,518 --> 00:03:44,332 looked-- beside acting, he just was amazing looking. 68 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:47,166 Whoa, this was like a flying saucer landed looking 69 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:52,176 like that cute-- beautiful, California surfer, 70 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:58,012 handsome that every single girl or boy wanted to make out with. 71 00:03:58,071 --> 00:03:58,845 GIRL: Are you Tab Hunter'? 72 00:03:58,905 --> 00:03:59,747 Uh, yeah-- yeah. 73 00:03:59,839 --> 00:04:03,719 I think I've died and gone to heaven. 74 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:06,347 Kids and the fans just gravitated to him 75 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:08,414 just like a magnet. 76 00:04:08,514 --> 00:04:13,554 He was so popular, and so many people just thought he was it. 77 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:14,688 And he was. 78 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:16,358 (LAUGHING) I'll bet. 79 00:04:16,422 --> 00:04:20,302 He was as big as they could come. 80 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:24,933 He had the star quality and he had the x-factor. 81 00:04:25,031 --> 00:04:27,204 Mr. Tab Hunter- Tab. 82 00:04:28,668 --> 00:04:32,377 And in every picture they managed to take his shirt off. 83 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:33,815 (mum-nus) 84 00:04:33,906 --> 00:04:35,351 Hey, kid! 85 00:04:35,408 --> 00:04:37,854 Nobody could take their eyes off Tab Hunter. 86 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:41,915 He was the All-American boy, and nobody sold that image better. 87 00:04:42,015 --> 00:04:44,017 He was the good-looking sailor, or he 88 00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:46,529 was the good-looking Marine, and he was the good-looking Air 89 00:04:46,586 --> 00:04:48,224 Force pilot. 90 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:50,131 I did so many military films that I 91 00:04:50,223 --> 00:04:53,500 was waiting for the government to send me a pension. 92 00:04:53,559 --> 00:04:56,369 I mean, my gosh, I was in uniform all the time. 93 00:04:56,429 --> 00:04:57,430 Cigarette? 94 00:04:57,530 --> 00:04:59,908 I saw him in "Battle Cry." 95 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,413 He played a young Marine with Dorothy Malone. 96 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:04,607 They did have a love scene. 97 00:05:08,107 --> 00:05:09,950 It caused a lot of comment at the studio. 98 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:11,420 Let's take a dip in the pool. 99 00:05:11,477 --> 00:05:13,479 We can't have one of our young Marines having 100 00:05:13,579 --> 00:05:15,058 an affair with a married woman. 101 00:05:15,114 --> 00:05:16,252 Oh, really? 102 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:17,021 (mum-nus) 103 00:05:17,116 --> 00:05:19,926 I think you're the most beautiful woman I've ever met. 104 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:22,523 What was the one he did was Sophia Loren'? 105 00:05:22,622 --> 00:05:23,999 ANNOUNCER: "That Kind of Woman--" 106 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:27,299 "That Kind of Woman," yeah, and of course, 107 00:05:27,393 --> 00:05:30,863 I adored her too, and I thought, ooh, what a couple. 108 00:05:30,930 --> 00:05:33,103 He doesn't look old enough to drink. 109 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,942 I'm old enough to do anything, 110 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:41,213 With his charm and good looks and his magnetic presence, 111 00:05:41,307 --> 00:05:45,915 he was the embodiment of youthful American masculinity. 112 00:05:45,978 --> 00:05:47,355 Thank you very much and thank you. 113 00:05:47,447 --> 00:05:49,984 There he goes, the eligible bachelor from Hollywood. 114 00:05:57,090 --> 00:05:59,195 By now I'm used to Tab Hunter, of course, 115 00:05:59,258 --> 00:06:01,238 after all these years. 116 00:06:01,294 --> 00:06:02,932 I grew up as Art Gelien. 117 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:12,373 I was born in 1931 -- July, 11,1931. 118 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:15,510 My mother's name was Gertrude Gelien. 119 00:06:15,608 --> 00:06:19,112 She was from Hamburg, Germany. 120 00:06:19,178 --> 00:06:23,627 I always used to say she was a poor-man's Marlene Dietrich. 121 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:25,560 She had two children-- my older brother, 122 00:06:25,651 --> 00:06:30,293 Walt, who was 11 months older than me. 123 00:06:30,356 --> 00:06:32,131 My mother and father did not get along at all. 124 00:06:32,191 --> 00:06:35,968 He was terribly abusive to her. 125 00:06:36,028 --> 00:06:38,235 Once my mother left my father, it 126 00:06:38,331 --> 00:06:39,969 was a lot of burden, a lot of stress 127 00:06:40,032 --> 00:06:44,481 for a single woman raising two children in those days. 128 00:06:44,537 --> 00:06:46,414 She was very strict. 129 00:06:46,506 --> 00:06:48,508 One moment she could be very explosive, 130 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:53,284 and the other moment she could be terribly tender and dear. 131 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:56,360 My mother worked like a dog. 132 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:59,761 She held, sometimes, two jobs. 133 00:06:59,852 --> 00:07:01,490 She wanted to create an environment 134 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:04,831 of a family and a home, and that was very 135 00:07:04,891 --> 00:07:06,871 important to her and to us. 136 00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:14,872 I was lost as a kid in many ways-- introverted. 137 00:07:14,934 --> 00:07:19,144 And I was extremely shy. 138 00:07:19,238 --> 00:07:22,515 I was never comfortable around people. 139 00:07:22,575 --> 00:07:24,680 It made me very nervous. 140 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:27,782 My brother was quite the opposite. 141 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,587 My brother I looked up to a great deal 142 00:07:29,682 --> 00:07:33,323 because he could handle every situation very well. 143 00:07:33,386 --> 00:07:35,730 He was always prompting me on. 144 00:07:35,788 --> 00:07:38,496 Otherwise I'd have stayed in my shell much, much longer. 145 00:07:41,794 --> 00:07:44,968 We were raised as Catholics. 146 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:48,910 My mother put us in parochial school, where we had nuns. 147 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:51,244 She just was really, really concerned 148 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:53,750 about our own development-- mental, physical, 149 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:56,787 and spiritual. 150 00:07:56,876 --> 00:07:59,322 I loved going to church. 151 00:07:59,378 --> 00:08:01,881 I did sing in the choir. 152 00:08:01,948 --> 00:08:05,725 Benediction was always wonderful to me, and mass was in Latin, 153 00:08:05,785 --> 00:08:07,731 and I loved that. 154 00:08:07,787 --> 00:08:09,926 It was a good place to go and become a part 155 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:11,525 of something that moved me. 156 00:08:11,624 --> 00:08:14,628 ANNOUNCER: It's "The Black Swan," starring Tyrone Power, 157 00:08:14,727 --> 00:08:17,674 in his lustiest role as the daring Captain Waring. 158 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:20,267 Of course I went to movies all the time. 159 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:22,540 I lived at the movies. 160 00:08:22,635 --> 00:08:24,273 There was an aura about movie stars. 161 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,112 It was quite wonderful. 162 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:27,480 They were total escapism. 163 00:08:27,573 --> 00:08:30,213 I loved that. 164 00:08:30,276 --> 00:08:34,088 Movies was a world away. 165 00:08:34,146 --> 00:08:38,253 I did feel I was different from other boys. 166 00:08:38,317 --> 00:08:42,857 The word gay was not around when I was a kid. 167 00:08:42,955 --> 00:08:48,735 They used derogatory terms- fairy, queer. 168 00:08:48,794 --> 00:08:51,832 And I might even have said that about someone, 169 00:08:51,931 --> 00:08:54,241 not wanting to be different, wanting 170 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:56,906 to be like everyone else. 171 00:08:56,969 --> 00:08:59,074 I was always taught if there's something 172 00:08:59,138 --> 00:09:02,779 bad just push it from your mind, push it from your mind. 173 00:09:02,842 --> 00:09:05,516 So I never confronted those things, even though it was 174 00:09:05,611 --> 00:09:07,215 there and was very powerful. 175 00:09:10,683 --> 00:09:13,357 I hated myself. 176 00:09:13,452 --> 00:09:15,261 I went to confession. 177 00:09:15,321 --> 00:09:17,801 And this one priest made me feel like I was the most miserable 178 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:18,733 person that ever lived. 179 00:09:21,694 --> 00:09:26,803 After my confession I fled from the church completely, 180 00:09:26,866 --> 00:09:30,370 even though it was something I really loved. 181 00:09:30,469 --> 00:09:34,178 I came away from that more fearful than ever. 182 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:45,629 I when John Burroughs Junior High School with Arthur Gelien. 183 00:09:45,685 --> 00:09:50,395 It with as if magic had dropped into the school. 184 00:09:50,489 --> 00:09:53,595 Honestly, the girls would not leave him alone. 185 00:09:53,659 --> 00:09:56,663 They had never seen anybody so handsome. 186 00:09:56,729 --> 00:09:59,266 They were just mesmerized. 187 00:09:59,365 --> 00:10:01,072 Girls were very attracted to me, 188 00:10:01,167 --> 00:10:04,011 and it made me extremely uncomfortable 189 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:08,849 when people would carry on in any way, shape, or form. 190 00:10:08,908 --> 00:10:13,118 If he tried to walk down the hall, he simply was mobbed. 191 00:10:13,212 --> 00:10:16,716 There were times that he'd have to run into an empty classroom 192 00:10:16,782 --> 00:10:20,389 and lock the door to get away from the girls. 193 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:24,060 I don't know how he survived. 194 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:28,071 The attention at school was so disruptive that I just felt 195 00:10:28,127 --> 00:10:30,573 I needed some sort of escape. 196 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:33,304 So I decided to join the Coast Guard. 197 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:34,434 I just had wanderlust. 198 00:10:38,237 --> 00:10:41,548 My mother and I had a big argument just prior to my 199 00:10:41,607 --> 00:10:44,053 joining the Coast Guard. 200 00:10:44,110 --> 00:10:48,752 Kelm was my father's name-- Charles Kelm. 201 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:54,127 My earliest memory was my father abusing my mother, 202 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:57,724 and my brother and I crying. 203 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:59,895 I had no recollection of my father after that. 204 00:10:59,959 --> 00:11:01,666 My mother never wanted to talk about him. 205 00:11:01,761 --> 00:11:03,399 In fact, you'd mention his name and she 206 00:11:03,462 --> 00:11:04,270 would literally shudder. 207 00:11:07,099 --> 00:11:10,478 I at times wished that we had a father. 208 00:11:10,569 --> 00:11:15,018 I kept saying Charlie probably wasn't that bad after all. 209 00:11:15,074 --> 00:11:16,781 And my mother said, oh, really? 210 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:18,981 Then I think you should go to New York and see him. 211 00:11:21,847 --> 00:11:26,193 And when I was on liberty in New York, I had his address, 212 00:11:26,285 --> 00:11:28,060 and I knocked on the door. 213 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,158 And this woman says, yes'? 214 00:11:31,257 --> 00:11:33,362 And I said, is Charles Kelm here? 215 00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:35,736 And she said, no. 216 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:41,438 And beyond her I could see a figure sitting in a chair. 217 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:45,448 And I said to her, well, would you tell him that his son 218 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:48,041 came by to say hello? 219 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:49,175 And she said, yes. 220 00:11:49,275 --> 00:11:50,618 And she slammed the door in my face. 221 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,491 I knew that that was my father sitting in that chair. 222 00:11:57,550 --> 00:12:02,431 And I could tell that he didn't want to see me. 223 00:12:02,521 --> 00:12:04,398 I was devastated. 224 00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:07,198 And I just walked in the snow for hours. 225 00:12:10,129 --> 00:12:13,633 The Coast Guard found out I was under age and discharged me. 226 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:15,235 And then when they discharged me, 227 00:12:15,334 --> 00:12:16,836 I went back down to Los Angeles. 228 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:23,846 I worked as a delivery man. 229 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:26,048 I worked wrapping presents at Brothers 230 00:12:26,145 --> 00:12:26,919 in Hollywood. 231 00:12:26,979 --> 00:12:30,324 I worked at the Orange Julius stand on Hollywood Boulevard. 232 00:12:30,382 --> 00:12:31,656 I did an awful lot of jobs. 233 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:40,028 My brother was the one who introduced me to horses. 234 00:12:40,092 --> 00:12:43,301 I wanted to do whatever my brother did. 235 00:12:43,395 --> 00:12:45,671 And then my brother went on, of course, to other things, 236 00:12:45,731 --> 00:12:48,439 but I stayed with the horses. 237 00:12:48,534 --> 00:12:53,142 I loved being around the horses when they were in their stalls. 238 00:12:53,205 --> 00:12:54,206 I loved the smell of them. 239 00:12:54,273 --> 00:12:55,445 I loved working around them. 240 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:57,418 I loved riding. 241 00:12:57,510 --> 00:13:02,323 And I got a job mucking out and being at the barn. 242 00:13:02,381 --> 00:13:04,224 When the horse came into my life, 243 00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:07,162 they totally consumed my life. 244 00:13:07,253 --> 00:13:09,961 One weekend at the barn, Dick Clayton 245 00:13:10,055 --> 00:13:13,434 came out, who was an actor at the time, 246 00:13:13,526 --> 00:13:16,166 with an actress by the name of Ann Blyth. 247 00:13:16,228 --> 00:13:18,037 And they were doing a photo layout 248 00:13:18,097 --> 00:13:20,270 for one of the movie magazines. 249 00:13:20,366 --> 00:13:24,974 Well, I was fascinated, so I just stood there and watched. 250 00:13:25,037 --> 00:13:29,213 And then Ann left, and I got to talking to Dick afterwards, 251 00:13:29,275 --> 00:13:31,721 and we became friendly. 252 00:13:31,777 --> 00:13:35,486 Dick never came on to me like a lot of people did. 253 00:13:35,581 --> 00:13:39,085 I never felt a hidden agenda from Dick Clayton 254 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:43,691 because I just felt so comfortable with him. 255 00:13:43,789 --> 00:13:46,668 I never had a man in my life like that. 256 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,261 And he was the one who first planted 257 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:51,934 the seed for me-- how would you feel about being an actor'? 258 00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:56,139 And I thought, oh, wow, that'd be terrific. 259 00:13:56,235 --> 00:13:58,044 I did start thinking about it. 260 00:13:58,103 --> 00:14:00,049 But I didn't know what to do, where to begin, 261 00:14:00,105 --> 00:14:01,584 how to get started in the business. 262 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:10,050 Henry Wilson was an agent for a lot of young actors. 263 00:14:10,149 --> 00:14:14,928 Henry had a stable of stars- Guy Madison, 264 00:14:14,987 --> 00:14:18,958 Rory Calhoun, Rock Hudson. 265 00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:21,971 Henry Wilson was a big-deal agent. 266 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:27,670 And it seemed like every actor he touched became a big star. 267 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:30,576 And he had a certain style of client, 268 00:14:30,636 --> 00:14:33,082 and he was the one who would take the pretty boys 269 00:14:33,138 --> 00:14:35,641 and make stars out of them. 270 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:39,212 Dick Clayton said I want you to me Henry Wilson. 271 00:14:39,311 --> 00:14:43,020 You know, he doesn't have the most sterling reputation. 272 00:14:43,115 --> 00:14:44,788 And I went there and met him. 273 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:47,160 You know, he was giving you the look and the stare 274 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:47,924 and all that. 275 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:49,363 I'm not an idiot. 276 00:14:49,455 --> 00:14:52,163 I could see what was going on there. 277 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:56,070 Oh, yeah, Henry would put the make on me every now and then. 278 00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:59,108 Occasionally his knee would push against your knee or something 279 00:14:59,164 --> 00:15:00,837 like that. 280 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,038 Well, I just wasn't interested. 281 00:15:02,134 --> 00:15:05,604 I mean, Henry was an amusing, fun person to go out with once 282 00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:08,345 in a while, but that was it. 283 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:09,750 Henry was certainly not my type. 284 00:15:13,312 --> 00:15:15,758 We were sitting in his office, and he 285 00:15:15,814 --> 00:15:17,760 said the name's gotta go. 286 00:15:17,816 --> 00:15:19,625 So he said we've got to tab you something. 287 00:15:19,685 --> 00:15:22,393 So that's how Tab came about. 288 00:15:22,488 --> 00:15:26,095 And I showed horses-- hunters and jumpers. 289 00:15:26,158 --> 00:15:27,637 And Henry said, that's it-- Tab Hunter. 290 00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:29,570 That's a good name. 291 00:15:29,662 --> 00:15:35,112 I can just see my new name, Tab Hunter, on the marquee. 292 00:15:35,167 --> 00:15:39,115 I remember having a few drinks, and I was feeling no pain. 293 00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:44,450 I said, I'm going to be a movie star. (LAUGHING) 294 00:15:44,510 --> 00:15:47,787 Art Gelein became Tab Hunter. 295 00:15:47,846 --> 00:15:51,157 The new name was hard for me to get used to though. 296 00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:53,355 And then Henry said, well, once you see it on "pay to the order 297 00:15:53,419 --> 00:15:57,128 of," it won't be so bad. 298 00:15:57,222 --> 00:16:01,932 He was a man who was eager, excited, and enthusiastic, 299 00:16:02,027 --> 00:16:03,631 and wanted it. 300 00:16:03,696 --> 00:16:05,403 Boy, it sure did come fast. 301 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:07,410 ANNOUNCER: A lush, topical paradise 302 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:09,275 beyond your wildest most romantic dreams. 303 00:16:12,237 --> 00:16:17,778 The first interview I had was for "lsland of the Desire." 304 00:16:17,876 --> 00:16:20,322 So they sent me to meet the director. 305 00:16:20,379 --> 00:16:24,759 He looked up and said, that's the boy I want. 306 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,125 And he asked me to take off my shirt. 307 00:16:26,218 --> 00:16:28,357 I was really embarrassed. 308 00:16:28,420 --> 00:16:31,526 I then did a screen test with Linda Darnell. 309 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:33,797 She was a very big name. 310 00:16:33,892 --> 00:16:37,533 Oh, I was a nervous wreck doing a screen test. 311 00:16:37,596 --> 00:16:38,574 She said, don't worry. 312 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:41,110 I'm good luck for newcomers. 313 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:44,375 And they said, now you take her in your arms and you kiss her. 314 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:45,813 I took her in my arms and I kissed her. 315 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:51,120 (LAUGHING) I kissed her. 316 00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:51,881 She looked at me. 317 00:16:51,977 --> 00:16:53,684 And they said, cut, and she pinched me, 318 00:16:53,779 --> 00:17:01,630 and she said, that was nice. (LAUGHING) Audience 319 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,530 response was phenomenal. 320 00:17:03,622 --> 00:17:06,466 Critics, ha, they hated. 321 00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:08,061 You're out of your mind! 322 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,434 Darn right. 323 00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:11,532 This blasted island's got me loco. 324 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:12,904 I got roasted. 325 00:17:12,965 --> 00:17:14,000 Hello, Hawaii. 326 00:17:14,099 --> 00:17:15,373 Hello, America. 327 00:17:15,434 --> 00:17:16,435 Hello, England. 328 00:17:16,502 --> 00:17:17,810 Hello, anybody! 329 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:20,976 He doesn't demonstrate any shred 330 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,849 of acting ability in that film. 331 00:17:22,941 --> 00:17:25,421 I was born too late, and I've got a lot to learn. 332 00:17:25,477 --> 00:17:28,253 My mother and I did go to a screening of it. 333 00:17:28,313 --> 00:17:29,621 The lights came up. 334 00:17:29,681 --> 00:17:35,029 My mother said, you were lousy. 335 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:40,126 I was so bad in the movie that I couldn't get arrested. 336 00:17:40,192 --> 00:17:43,002 It was a long spell between "Island 337 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:46,009 of Desire" and my next job. 338 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:50,070 The only parts I could get were grade-Z movies. 339 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:51,341 Interpreting hieroglyphics was part 340 00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:53,349 of my archaeological studies. 341 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:59,117 I felt that I was a B actor trapped in that genre of film, 342 00:17:59,211 --> 00:18:02,556 and there was no way out. 343 00:18:02,648 --> 00:18:03,490 Hello, Pop! 344 00:18:03,549 --> 00:18:05,859 TAB HUNTER: Acting was something that Dick Clayton 345 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:08,592 was always on my case about. 346 00:18:08,687 --> 00:18:10,132 This isn't something that just happens. 347 00:18:10,189 --> 00:18:12,829 You've got to work. 348 00:18:12,891 --> 00:18:18,034 There's so much to learn and so much to tap inside of myself. 349 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:21,306 And I wanted to go on to the next step. 350 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,244 And he arranged for me to do "Our Town." 351 00:18:24,336 --> 00:18:28,648 It was important for me to do it because it was great material 352 00:18:28,707 --> 00:18:33,019 and a chance to grow. 353 00:18:33,078 --> 00:18:36,355 Marilyn Erskine, a Broadway actress, who was very good, 354 00:18:36,415 --> 00:18:39,726 did not want to do "Our Town" with me. 355 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:44,461 George was a marvelous part for a young actor. 356 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:47,867 But Tab Hunter playing George? 357 00:18:47,926 --> 00:18:50,463 Well, I didn't see that. 358 00:18:50,562 --> 00:18:54,169 And so I was a little bit concerned because that's such 359 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:57,544 an important part of the play. 360 00:18:57,603 --> 00:18:59,742 We did a read through. 361 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:01,614 And after we finished the reading 362 00:19:01,707 --> 00:19:04,483 she agreed to do it with me. 363 00:19:04,543 --> 00:19:08,582 She said, OK, young man, we've got a lot of work ahead of us. 364 00:19:08,647 --> 00:19:10,593 Let's get to it. 365 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:14,927 Well, I wanted him to be comfortable within himself 366 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:17,797 that he can do this. 367 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:22,361 Tad had that desire to really be good. 368 00:19:22,427 --> 00:19:26,273 I saw an actor who grew and grew, getting 369 00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:29,540 better and better and better. 370 00:19:29,635 --> 00:19:31,637 TAB HUNTER: The only thing I really could rely on 371 00:19:31,737 --> 00:19:35,549 were my instincts and my feelings. 372 00:19:35,607 --> 00:19:39,419 And they won't lead you too far astray. 373 00:19:39,478 --> 00:19:42,186 And Tab was just fabulous. 374 00:19:42,281 --> 00:19:43,089 He was George. 375 00:19:45,784 --> 00:19:48,287 The play was extremely well received, got good notices-- 376 00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:51,960 the first good notices I ever received in my life. 377 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:55,494 From that, it sort of whet the appetite. 378 00:19:55,594 --> 00:19:58,404 I came away from that experience realizing 379 00:19:58,463 --> 00:20:00,136 that I wanted to be an actor. 380 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:08,274 The studios ran Hollywood. 381 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:12,720 Hollywood was MGM, Paramount, 20th Century 382 00:20:12,811 --> 00:20:16,657 Fox, Warner Brothers. 383 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:21,926 It was just a society in unto itself, Warner Brothers. 384 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:25,558 It was the best studio, so we were very proud. 385 00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:29,127 But you did not cross to cross Jack Warner. 386 00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:32,505 Colonel Warner- Colonel Jack Warner, ladies and gentlemen. 387 00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:34,168 You know, Warner was quite a character. 388 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,439 He really was. 389 00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:38,913 He looked like Lucifer with a little mustache of his. 390 00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,847 Ha, you son-of-a-bitch. (LAUGHING) 391 00:20:40,906 --> 00:20:43,910 When you had a guy like Jack Warner on your side, 392 00:20:44,009 --> 00:20:45,454 you had the whole Warner Brothers 393 00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:47,285 operation on your side. 394 00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:49,485 You were in business. 395 00:20:49,548 --> 00:20:51,084 The studio contract was really good 396 00:20:51,183 --> 00:20:54,289 because of the security of it. 397 00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:57,300 At Warner Brothers, they had acting classes, 398 00:20:57,356 --> 00:20:59,495 singing, dancing. 399 00:20:59,558 --> 00:21:03,267 And I said, Henry, I really need to go to work. 400 00:21:03,362 --> 00:21:05,740 And Henry sent out wired to different producers 401 00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:07,435 saying Tab Hunter's available. 402 00:21:07,499 --> 00:21:10,446 And he arranged for me to meet , casting 403 00:21:10,502 --> 00:21:12,311 director of Warner Brothers. 404 00:21:12,371 --> 00:21:14,851 And I got a call from the studio. 405 00:21:14,906 --> 00:21:16,681 They took out an option that they 406 00:21:16,742 --> 00:21:18,949 might put me under contract. 407 00:21:19,044 --> 00:21:22,651 And your first picture will be with John Wayne in and Lana 408 00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:24,921 Turner in "The Sea Chase!" 409 00:21:25,017 --> 00:21:26,690 , more coffee. 410 00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:27,730 Yes, sir. 411 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,392 All I had to say in the film was, yes, sir. 412 00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:31,160 Yes, sir. 413 00:21:31,256 --> 00:21:32,030 Thank you. 414 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:33,626 Everybody, sir. 415 00:21:33,725 --> 00:21:35,204 "The Sea Change" was an all right film, 416 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:36,762 but I had nothing to do in it. 417 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:37,704 I was very disappointed. 418 00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:43,406 Jack Warner was looking at rushes of the film, 419 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:45,607 and a director by the name of William Wellman, 420 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:49,208 "Wild Bill" Wellman, happened to see a couple of my scenes 421 00:21:49,274 --> 00:21:52,949 and said, I want that kid for my next picture. 422 00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:54,752 And the next picture was "Track of the Cat" 423 00:21:54,813 --> 00:21:55,655 with Robert Mitchum. 424 00:21:55,747 --> 00:21:58,591 The place is just crawling with dreams. 425 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:00,857 Do you have any, kid'? 426 00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:03,057 I go along Mitch very well. 427 00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:05,761 He had great sense of humor and was full of hell. 428 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:08,430 I really like him a lot. 429 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:11,599 Well, the first big film I did at Warner Brothers 430 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:15,167 was a film called "Battle Cry." "Battle Cry" was the biggest 431 00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:18,441 picture Warner's had that year. 432 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:23,179 They tested me nine times for the role of Danny Forrester. 433 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:26,484 Sorry, I-- I felt kind of itchy. 434 00:22:26,578 --> 00:22:28,922 I wasn't the only one who tested for that role. 435 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:29,924 Kiss me. 436 00:22:29,981 --> 00:22:30,686 Can't hear. 437 00:22:32,951 --> 00:22:37,263 Warner's tested Jimmy Dean and Paul Newman for the role. 438 00:22:37,322 --> 00:22:39,802 They still couldn't make up their mind. 439 00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:43,362 So they said, well, we'll give this kid one more test. 440 00:22:43,462 --> 00:22:46,671 The morning I left to go to the test 441 00:22:46,765 --> 00:22:48,073 my mother stopped me at the door, 442 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:49,407 and she said, think positive. 443 00:22:49,468 --> 00:22:52,278 See yourself in this role. 444 00:22:52,337 --> 00:22:56,012 And she said, if it's meant to be, it will be. 445 00:22:56,108 --> 00:22:58,315 I thought I was so bad in that test I went home 446 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,516 and was ready to kill myself. 447 00:23:00,612 --> 00:23:02,956 And that was the test that got me the role. 448 00:23:03,014 --> 00:23:05,494 Give me a cheeseburger and a cup of coffee. 449 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:08,053 And, uh, how about a piece that apple pie too. 450 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:09,791 I just liked the role. 451 00:23:09,855 --> 00:23:11,459 It reminded me of my brother. 452 00:23:11,523 --> 00:23:16,063 He was a very straightforward, decent human being. 453 00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:19,040 Any guy in the world would be lucky to have you for a wife. 454 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:21,737 The film was very successful. 455 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,609 It was a major hit for Warner Brothers. 456 00:23:23,668 --> 00:23:25,113 ANNOUNCER: "Battle Cry," the Warner 457 00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:29,676 Brothers story of the Marines, having its world premier. 458 00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:32,881 I started getting so much recognition for doing it 459 00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:35,458 that I was offered the seven-year contract 460 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,959 with Warner Brothers. 461 00:23:37,015 --> 00:23:38,517 I thought, whoa. 462 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,529 Tab Hunter! 463 00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:44,089 And when that came on, it was like you struck a match, 464 00:23:44,189 --> 00:23:45,361 and off it went. 465 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,904 ANNOUNCER: Hollywood pays tribute to bright, new stars 466 00:23:47,993 --> 00:23:48,801 of tomorrow. 467 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:52,069 Awards go to blue-eyed and blond Tab Hunter. 468 00:23:52,164 --> 00:23:56,977 They translated everything into box office receipts. 469 00:23:57,035 --> 00:24:01,347 Jack Warner saw box-office gold in Tab. 470 00:24:01,406 --> 00:24:03,443 Once I was under contract to them, 471 00:24:03,542 --> 00:24:05,886 all this publicity came out on me, 472 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,447 and the publicity exceeded the product. 473 00:24:08,547 --> 00:24:10,823 ANNOUNCER: Actor Tab Hunter signs autographs 474 00:24:10,882 --> 00:24:13,522 in the time-honored way. 475 00:24:13,585 --> 00:24:16,464 They were selling the All-American boy. 476 00:24:16,555 --> 00:24:18,535 Take him home to mother. 477 00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:20,433 It was a nice wholesome image. 478 00:24:20,525 --> 00:24:21,731 How do you feel about dancing tonight? 479 00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:22,498 Are you ready'? 480 00:24:22,594 --> 00:24:24,699 A little awkward, but I guess I'm ready. 481 00:24:24,763 --> 00:24:27,767 He was everywhere. 482 00:24:27,866 --> 00:24:30,312 We were being bombarded with Tab's presence. 483 00:24:30,368 --> 00:24:35,511 And I was delighted because he was so exciting to be watching. 484 00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:38,680 ANNOUNCER: America's favorite sweethearts, 485 00:24:38,743 --> 00:24:41,223 Tab Hunter and Natalie Wood. 486 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:42,622 Natalie Wood was the sweetest little thing 487 00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:43,818 that ever came down the road. 488 00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:44,587 I loved her. 489 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:45,821 She was like my kid sister. 490 00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:49,057 You really got it made, haven't you? 491 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,497 TAB HUNTER: She had been a very successful 492 00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:52,796 in "Rebel Without a Cause" with Jimmy Dean, 493 00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:57,203 and I had been successful in "Battle Cry." 494 00:24:57,262 --> 00:24:59,037 Warner Brothers put us together. 495 00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:02,772 They wanted to make us into the new "dream team." 496 00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:04,609 We went along with it, of course. 497 00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:07,809 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter, Natalie Wood. 498 00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:09,214 And they had a great time together. 499 00:25:09,274 --> 00:25:10,082 She adored him. 500 00:25:10,141 --> 00:25:13,520 I never met a gal with such spunk. 501 00:25:13,612 --> 00:25:16,786 ROBERT WAGNER: He was on fire, and she was on fire. 502 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:17,952 They traveled a lot together. 503 00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:20,860 They went on tours together. 504 00:25:20,952 --> 00:25:22,454 TAB HUNTER: Oh, my gosh, there were thousands 505 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:23,329 and thousands of kids. 506 00:25:27,158 --> 00:25:29,035 He looked like he loved being a movie star, 507 00:25:29,127 --> 00:25:30,401 and he was a good one. 508 00:25:30,462 --> 00:25:32,669 ANNOUNCER: Warner Brothers stars Natalie Wood and tab Hunter 509 00:25:32,764 --> 00:25:36,712 plant a Christmas parade for the annual Toys for Tots campaign. 510 00:25:36,768 --> 00:25:39,112 But I knew Tab first from his music. 511 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,713 TAB HUNTER: The recording career came 512 00:25:43,808 --> 00:25:48,018 about when Randy Wood of Dot Records said, 513 00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:50,286 how would you like to record? 514 00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:53,693 I said, I'd love it. 515 00:25:53,785 --> 00:25:55,822 Randy had me come over there. 516 00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:58,731 I cut the record. 517 00:25:58,823 --> 00:26:01,429 Randy yelled out, that's it. 518 00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:02,972 It's gonna be a hit. 519 00:26:08,366 --> 00:26:10,869 (SINGING) --for every boy and girl there's just 520 00:26:10,969 --> 00:26:14,610 one love in this whole world, and I-hi 521 00:26:14,673 --> 00:26:19,554 kno-ho I-hi-I found mine. 522 00:26:20,645 --> 00:26:22,784 It became the number one song in the nation. 523 00:26:22,847 --> 00:26:23,791 (SINGING) Young love. 524 00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:24,792 Young love. 525 00:26:24,849 --> 00:26:25,793 First love. 526 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:27,796 First love. 527 00:26:27,852 --> 00:26:30,799 When "Young Love" hit number one on the pop charts, 528 00:26:30,855 --> 00:26:33,529 it knocked Elvis out of number one 529 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:36,573 and stays for a month and a half at the top 530 00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:39,608 of the national charts. 531 00:26:39,664 --> 00:26:42,770 Jack Warner blew his stack. 532 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:46,543 He said, we own you for everything. 533 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,778 He had totally prohibited me from recording 534 00:26:48,873 --> 00:26:51,046 for Dot any longer. 535 00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:54,454 And I said, but Mr. Warner, you don't have a recording company. 536 00:26:54,546 --> 00:26:55,820 And he said, well, we do now. 537 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,087 And, they started Warner Brothers Records for me. 538 00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:04,657 [MUSIC- TAB HUNTER, "NINETY NINE WAYS"] 539 00:27:07,192 --> 00:27:11,334 Tab had a real genuine reporting career. 540 00:27:11,396 --> 00:27:13,774 He was not a one-hit wonder. 541 00:27:13,865 --> 00:27:16,573 He released dozens of singles and albums. 542 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:20,640 It was phenomenal, and it was noticed by everyone. 543 00:27:20,739 --> 00:27:27,554 (SINGING) What a wonderful wedding there will be. 544 00:27:27,612 --> 00:27:34,996 What wonderful day for you and me. 545 00:27:35,086 --> 00:27:38,033 He came along at a very brilliant time. 546 00:27:38,089 --> 00:27:41,070 It was the beginning of the teenage revolution in America. 547 00:27:43,995 --> 00:27:47,374 He had a million and one crushes from the largest group 548 00:27:47,465 --> 00:27:50,275 of teenagers that has ever lived in the United 549 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:52,337 States, the baby boomers. 550 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:58,485 They were the ones who would make a career overnight, 551 00:27:58,576 --> 00:28:00,419 and they certainly did with mine. 552 00:28:00,478 --> 00:28:01,252 I can't help it. 553 00:28:01,312 --> 00:28:03,918 I've got a very bad case of Tab Hunter-itis. 554 00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:06,258 I know just how you feel. 555 00:28:06,317 --> 00:28:08,854 I had Tab's pictures on my wall. 556 00:28:08,953 --> 00:28:11,297 We all did. 557 00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:14,963 My wall was covered with pictures of Tab Hunter. 558 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:19,236 Young girls just were crazy about him. 559 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:27,206 The minute they took a look he became their guy, 560 00:28:27,305 --> 00:28:30,309 and he was marketed to those people. 561 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,480 It was the movie magazines that really 562 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:37,015 made him a huge star, more than the films that he was making. 563 00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:39,493 TAB HUNTER: The kids kept demanding all of it, 564 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:43,363 so I would get things like "Tab Hunter Buys a Hat," "Tab Hunter 565 00:28:43,455 --> 00:28:47,767 Drives a Car," "Tab Hunter Cleans a Window," 566 00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:52,468 "Tab Hunter Goes to the Beach-J' wee! (LAUGHING) 567 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:56,307 One of the magazines had a contest, 568 00:28:56,367 --> 00:29:01,367 and I won a date in Hollywood with Tab Hunter in 1956. 569 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:07,852 Was I nervous? 570 00:29:07,912 --> 00:29:10,256 I could hardly breathe. 571 00:29:10,348 --> 00:29:15,297 When I first saw Tab Hunter, I was very intimidated. 572 00:29:15,353 --> 00:29:22,237 And he smiled, and that smile was just truly magical. 573 00:29:22,327 --> 00:29:25,001 Tab Hunter was the heartthrob that I had 574 00:29:25,063 --> 00:29:28,374 seen in the movie magazines. 575 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:33,075 And we had dinner and dancing. 576 00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:35,708 I could not believe, Jo-Ann, here you 577 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,253 are dancing with Tab Hunter. 578 00:29:40,044 --> 00:29:45,050 My date was over, and he gave me a kiss. 579 00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,960 I felt like Cinderella, and I had 580 00:29:48,052 --> 00:29:50,760 a kiss from my Prince Charming. 581 00:29:50,855 --> 00:29:53,665 It was a dream-come-true. 582 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:57,867 In the 1950s love and marriage was the ideal theme. 583 00:29:57,929 --> 00:30:01,240 It's not always very real. 584 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:05,111 The studios had a system. 585 00:30:05,203 --> 00:30:10,983 And they always wanted their starlets to go out on a date 586 00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:13,648 with a beautiful, handsome boy. 587 00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:17,818 And the one they chose was Tab Hunter. 588 00:30:17,882 --> 00:30:21,420 He was a guy that all the girls wanted to go out with. 589 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:23,261 0f course I wanted to meet Tab Hunter because he was 590 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:26,530 the big young male star at Warner Brothers, 591 00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:30,071 and I was the big female star at Columbia Pictures. 592 00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:33,234 And so we had to date. 593 00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:35,005 He was a gentleman. 594 00:30:35,099 --> 00:30:37,875 He always came around and opened the doors. 595 00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:39,540 He picked up checks. 596 00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:41,948 And my parents liked him. 597 00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:42,711 It was fun. 598 00:30:42,807 --> 00:30:45,287 We did all sorts of things. 599 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:49,052 We did all the things that normal people do on dates. 600 00:30:49,147 --> 00:30:53,459 But we had a third person who was a photographer with us. 601 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:58,024 He was the kind of boy every mother would want to have 602 00:30:58,122 --> 00:31:00,762 married into her family. 603 00:31:00,825 --> 00:31:02,532 He had an honesty. 604 00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:04,937 He had a simplicity. 605 00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:08,705 He a certain strength of character. 606 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,974 He would not let anybody down. 607 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:15,916 We got along great because he was always fun and sweet. 608 00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:21,286 And he wasn't after me, so he wasn't on the make. 609 00:31:21,346 --> 00:31:24,156 And women like that. 610 00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:28,721 I really was a very naive, young, innocent girl, 611 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:32,927 and I would never think that the most handsome boy would be gay. 612 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,164 TAB HUNTER: I would never discuss 613 00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:38,832 my private life with anyone. 614 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:44,907 I was able to get close to them, but I never really went 615 00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:46,641 that deep in the relationship. 616 00:31:49,807 --> 00:31:54,847 I had the ability to live behind this wall. 617 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:01,356 And you only allow people to break the barrier 618 00:32:01,419 --> 00:32:02,955 if you feel you can confide in them 619 00:32:03,054 --> 00:32:06,001 and you want to have that friendship. 620 00:32:06,057 --> 00:32:08,936 INTERVIEWER: What was your first relationship with another guy? 621 00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:11,064 Pfoof. 622 00:32:11,162 --> 00:32:14,700 (LAUGHING) The first relationship I had 623 00:32:14,766 --> 00:32:19,215 was when I was ice skating with a fellow skater. 624 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,546 INTERVIEWER: Can you tell me about that? 625 00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:23,108 What do you want to know'? 626 00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:24,441 (LAUGHING) I always loved figure skating. 627 00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:24,441 (LAUGHING) I always loved figure skating. 628 00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:31,553 (LAUGHING) I always loved figure skating. 629 00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:38,089 I competed in the regionals, and I went to the nationals. 630 00:32:38,189 --> 00:32:42,501 I enjoyed just being on the ice. 631 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,374 He was a very good skater and a very strong competitor as well. 632 00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:51,971 A lot of his friends were ice skaters- champion ice 633 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:53,674 skaters with the Ice Capades. 634 00:32:53,738 --> 00:32:55,684 Mouseketeers, meet Ronnie Robertson. 635 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:56,514 Hi, Ronnie! 636 00:32:56,574 --> 00:32:57,279 Hi, Mouseketeers. 637 00:32:57,375 --> 00:33:00,652 Hi, Bob. 638 00:33:00,712 --> 00:33:04,683 Ronnie Roberson was known as a great technician. 639 00:33:04,749 --> 00:33:09,459 His skating was different than anybody else's skating. 640 00:33:09,554 --> 00:33:12,091 And he could spin faster than anybody in the world. 641 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:14,033 Nobody ever spun that well. 642 00:33:14,125 --> 00:33:15,627 He was a major talent. 643 00:33:18,429 --> 00:33:21,603 We had an attraction for one another. 644 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:26,115 And I drove him home one evening after a skiing session. 645 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,673 Next thing, we were in a relationship. 646 00:33:32,643 --> 00:33:34,316 I'm sure there was talk about Ronnie 647 00:33:34,412 --> 00:33:38,053 and myself in the skating world, particularly 648 00:33:38,116 --> 00:33:40,392 if you've got a talent and people are jealous of it. 649 00:33:43,321 --> 00:33:47,326 There were times when I was certainly stressed hearing 650 00:33:47,425 --> 00:33:50,031 things that had been said. 651 00:33:50,094 --> 00:33:57,706 But you learn when you're in the public eye to compartmentalize. 652 00:33:57,769 --> 00:34:00,272 A big issue as that Tab was around. 653 00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:04,548 And the political game at that time is you don't do that. 654 00:34:04,642 --> 00:34:07,521 There was one skater that didn't like the fact 655 00:34:07,612 --> 00:34:10,388 that Ronnie and I were friends and took a skate blade 656 00:34:10,448 --> 00:34:11,552 to my new car and just went right 657 00:34:11,616 --> 00:34:13,596 down the side, (SCRATCHING SOUND) to the paint. 658 00:34:16,487 --> 00:34:21,266 Tab came to the championships with Ronnie Roberson. 659 00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:23,134 Ronnie was told that he would not 660 00:34:23,194 --> 00:34:28,200 win the championships unless Tab would not come along. 661 00:34:28,299 --> 00:34:31,246 And Ronnie said, it didn't matter. 662 00:34:31,302 --> 00:34:33,475 He wanted him there. 663 00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:36,712 And Ronnie skated- oh, magnificent performance. 664 00:34:42,346 --> 00:34:44,383 The fact that I was there with Ronnie 665 00:34:44,482 --> 00:34:52,196 might have hurt his ability to win, and he should have won. 666 00:34:57,895 --> 00:35:02,867 My mother never really approved of the Hollywood stuff. 667 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:06,438 Being private was very important to her. 668 00:35:06,537 --> 00:35:09,848 She only visited me on a set twice in all of the years 669 00:35:09,907 --> 00:35:12,911 I was in the business. 670 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:15,115 She did one interview for a magazine, 671 00:35:15,179 --> 00:35:18,285 but it was like pulling teeth to get her to do that. 672 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:19,987 People would say, oh, Mrs. Gelien, 673 00:35:20,051 --> 00:35:21,997 aren't you excited about Tab'? 674 00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:23,828 And my mother would say, yes, it's nice, 675 00:35:23,888 --> 00:35:27,836 but Walter's the intelligent one. 676 00:35:27,892 --> 00:35:31,271 My mother was always a very intense woman. 677 00:35:31,362 --> 00:35:34,070 She had a lot of pressure in her life. 678 00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:37,170 She was very high strung. 679 00:35:37,268 --> 00:35:38,440 While I was doing "Battle Cry" I was 680 00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:41,983 in touch with my mother a lot. 681 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,646 And I noticed a change in her behavior. 682 00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:49,351 She would fly off the handle rather quickly. 683 00:35:49,413 --> 00:35:51,757 She was ranting on behind a closed 684 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:54,695 door in the bathroom in German. 685 00:35:54,785 --> 00:36:01,066 And she ran out into the street and collapsed in my arms. 686 00:36:01,125 --> 00:36:05,596 It just got more out of control and more out of control. 687 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:13,707 My mother totally lost it, and I had to commit my mother 688 00:36:13,804 --> 00:36:14,578 to a mental institution. 689 00:36:18,809 --> 00:36:20,789 And it was very difficult to do. 690 00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:26,893 And on the way there I said, Mom, please try 691 00:36:26,984 --> 00:36:27,985 to understand what I'm saying. 692 00:36:28,085 --> 00:36:30,622 I really feel bad about this. 693 00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:32,861 And she said, I know. 694 00:36:32,957 --> 00:36:35,665 I know. 695 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,764 I had to commit my mother. 696 00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:40,934 I mean, there was nothing else that I 697 00:36:40,998 --> 00:36:43,979 could think should be done. 698 00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:54,050 She had to have 37 electroshock treatments. 699 00:36:54,145 --> 00:36:57,649 I went down there to see her, of course. 700 00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:01,561 I remember walking in, and she was lying in bed, 701 00:37:01,652 --> 00:37:05,156 and they shaved her head where she had all the treatments. 702 00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:12,334 And as I walked in she said, why did you do this to me'? 703 00:37:15,032 --> 00:37:19,811 She was very fragile when I went to see her, but she was better. 704 00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:23,909 When I saw my mother, as helpless as she was, 705 00:37:24,008 --> 00:37:25,646 I swore that she would never have to work 706 00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:26,711 another day in her life. 707 00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:31,390 Hello, I'm Tab Hunter. 708 00:37:31,482 --> 00:37:33,155 Did you know that mental illness claims more 709 00:37:33,217 --> 00:37:35,561 victims than any other disease? 710 00:37:35,653 --> 00:37:36,495 That's right. 711 00:37:36,554 --> 00:37:39,501 One American in every 10 is suffering from some disabling 712 00:37:39,557 --> 00:37:40,695 mental or emotional disorder. 713 00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:49,601 In the 1950s being gay was absolutely not acceptable. 714 00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,510 It was against the law. 715 00:37:52,570 --> 00:37:56,609 It was considered a mental disease. 716 00:37:56,707 --> 00:38:01,213 There were very devastating consequences. 717 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:04,817 You couldn't have a life being gay back 718 00:38:04,915 --> 00:38:11,423 in the '50s Tab would be foolish not to hide, 719 00:38:11,522 --> 00:38:14,230 or he would not have a career. 720 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:15,828 What do you think of your dinner date here, Tab? 721 00:38:15,926 --> 00:38:17,098 She's very lovely, I must say. 722 00:38:17,194 --> 00:38:17,899 ANNOUNCER: Isn't She? 723 00:38:17,962 --> 00:38:18,667 Oh. 724 00:38:18,763 --> 00:38:21,744 The public saw me as one person, and I was another. 725 00:38:21,799 --> 00:38:24,245 I didn't feel good about myself. 726 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,512 Hollywood's most eligible bachelor, Mr. Tab Hunter! 727 00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:34,012 TAB HUNTER: I never felt that I deserve a lot of that stuff 728 00:38:34,111 --> 00:38:36,557 that was happening. 729 00:38:36,614 --> 00:38:39,720 You were rewarded for pretending that you 730 00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:40,956 were someone you're not. 731 00:38:46,424 --> 00:38:52,773 Henry Wilson was a good agent, but people outgrow one another. 732 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,504 Then Dick Clayton became an agent. 733 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,308 I signed with him immediately because I could trust him, 734 00:38:59,403 --> 00:39:00,245 and he was family. 735 00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:05,945 I told Henry I was leaving him. 736 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:08,012 He was furious. 737 00:39:08,112 --> 00:39:11,616 Henry was very, very upset. 738 00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:13,184 In fact, because of that, I'm sure it's 739 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:16,891 why he turned over that story to "Confidential" magazine on me. 740 00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:24,466 In the 1950s the magazine that you had to be most concerned 741 00:39:24,528 --> 00:39:26,405 about was "Confidential." 742 00:39:26,497 --> 00:39:29,034 Oh, "Confidential" was the talk of Hollywood 743 00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:30,578 because everyone was afraid that if there 744 00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:32,671 was a skeleton in the closet, it would be released. 745 00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:34,807 God knows I love you. 746 00:39:34,872 --> 00:39:37,045 But I won't let Ned nor Kay or anyone else 747 00:39:37,141 --> 00:39:39,985 run our lives, Cary. 748 00:39:40,044 --> 00:39:43,184 "Confidential" magazine, they had 749 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,658 some information on Rock that was 750 00:39:45,716 --> 00:39:48,219 very damaging to his career. 751 00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:51,300 And they were going to print it. 752 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:56,304 Rock Hudson was the biggest star that Henry Wilson ever had. 753 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,739 He built Rock, and that was his meal ticket. 754 00:39:59,830 --> 00:40:00,831 He was gonna protect that. 755 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:06,678 To save Rock, Henry gave "Confidential" 756 00:40:06,737 --> 00:40:10,184 the story about me when I'd been arrested when I was just 757 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:13,620 starting out in the business. 758 00:40:13,711 --> 00:40:15,713 Inside the magazine the article read, 759 00:40:15,813 --> 00:40:21,286 "Tab Hunter caught at a limp-wristed pajama party." 760 00:40:21,352 --> 00:40:24,993 I would say I was thrown under the bus. 761 00:40:25,055 --> 00:40:27,535 When the magazine came out, I was 762 00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:30,071 sure that my career was over. 763 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:32,801 I took Natalie to the Academy Awards. 764 00:40:32,863 --> 00:40:34,137 That was about the time-- a little 765 00:40:34,198 --> 00:40:36,576 after the "Confidential" had come out. 766 00:40:36,667 --> 00:40:39,705 The press of the world was there photographing us. 767 00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:43,650 And one guy yelled out, smile pretty this way, Tab. 768 00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:48,212 This is for the next issue of "Confidential" magazine. 769 00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:50,225 Jack Warner, god bless him, he turned 770 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:53,990 me right back to the cameras and said, just remember this. 771 00:40:54,084 --> 00:40:57,554 Today's headlines, tomorrow's toilet paper. 772 00:40:57,621 --> 00:40:58,622 Everybody was nervous. 773 00:40:58,722 --> 00:41:02,260 But in those days they could cover those things up. 774 00:41:02,359 --> 00:41:06,000 So if you are a money maker for a studio, 775 00:41:06,063 --> 00:41:08,509 they are going to protect that image 776 00:41:08,566 --> 00:41:11,843 like there is no tomorrow. 777 00:41:11,902 --> 00:41:16,851 The press knew just about everything, 778 00:41:16,907 --> 00:41:19,615 and they kept it to themselves when it was to their advantage 779 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:22,657 and to the advantage of the studios. 780 00:41:22,713 --> 00:41:28,356 It was a gentleman's agreement-- just keep it out of the press 781 00:41:28,419 --> 00:41:30,922 and don't make waves. 782 00:41:30,988 --> 00:41:32,797 Jack Warner and I never discussed 783 00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:36,531 my sexuality whatsoever. 784 00:41:36,594 --> 00:41:39,575 I was making a lot of money for them. 785 00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:43,305 As long as I didn't destroy this image that they were creating, 786 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,936 that was important to them. 787 00:41:47,571 --> 00:41:50,780 They created this persona. 788 00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:54,653 That was your job to be that persona. 789 00:41:54,745 --> 00:41:57,123 You played the game, so to speak, 790 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:59,684 if that's what they want. 791 00:41:59,783 --> 00:42:02,593 I did sign a contract, and I was willing to do 792 00:42:02,653 --> 00:42:06,829 whatever they wanted me to do to fulfill that contract. 793 00:42:06,924 --> 00:42:08,926 Don't you ever think about marriage? 794 00:42:08,993 --> 00:42:10,836 All the time, Ernie. 795 00:42:10,928 --> 00:42:12,601 That's what keeps me single. 796 00:42:13,998 --> 00:42:16,501 I thought of marriage a number of times 797 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,446 because it's expected of you. 798 00:42:20,504 --> 00:42:22,950 When I did the film "Lafayette Escadrille," 799 00:42:23,007 --> 00:42:25,715 that's when I first met Etchika Choureau. 800 00:42:25,809 --> 00:42:27,288 She stopped me dead in my tracks. 801 00:42:27,344 --> 00:42:30,518 She was gorgeous. 802 00:42:30,614 --> 00:42:32,616 And we hit it off immediately. 803 00:42:32,683 --> 00:42:34,458 She didn't speak a word of English. 804 00:42:34,518 --> 00:42:37,220 My French was just awful. 805 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:39,064 I can't remember what we talked about because 806 00:42:39,156 --> 00:42:40,863 he did not speak one word of French 807 00:42:40,958 --> 00:42:42,835 and I only spoke three words of English. 808 00:42:43,894 --> 00:42:47,239 I don't know how we communicated... undoubtedly with our eyes. 809 00:42:48,532 --> 00:42:51,911 But in any case, we got on like a house on fire. 810 00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:55,150 And he was irresistible. 811 00:42:56,206 --> 00:42:59,585 I usually can think of a lot of things to say. 812 00:42:59,677 --> 00:43:03,284 Suddenly I can't say anything. 813 00:43:03,347 --> 00:43:05,827 We had wonderful times together, 814 00:43:05,883 --> 00:43:09,092 and I was drawn closer and closer to her. 815 00:43:09,653 --> 00:43:13,863 Yes, I had heard that Tab was homosexual. 816 00:43:15,492 --> 00:43:22,876 I think it was a soul-searching period of time about his sexuality. 817 00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:26,741 It must have been very painful for him. 818 00:43:27,538 --> 00:43:34,547 You know, actors often...always... have two faces. 819 00:43:37,915 --> 00:43:41,385 I did feel discomfort, and I did feel a little bit of guilt 820 00:43:41,452 --> 00:43:42,931 also. 821 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:45,864 But I did seriously think of marrying Etchika. 822 00:43:47,958 --> 00:43:50,461 I was flattered to have been chosen, of course. 823 00:43:51,528 --> 00:43:53,337 If I was to marry Tab, 824 00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:54,603 it would have been for love. 825 00:43:55,265 --> 00:43:56,938 I would inevitably have never 826 00:43:57,034 --> 00:43:59,139 accepted to share him with someone else. 827 00:44:00,704 --> 00:44:02,911 And I certainly would not have married him 828 00:44:02,973 --> 00:44:05,977 to protect him and hide his homosexuality. 829 00:44:07,878 --> 00:44:10,188 I think Tab was too good of a man. 830 00:44:11,582 --> 00:44:13,892 He would have never accepted such a thing. 831 00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:19,290 It would have been a lovely story if it could have been rewritten. 832 00:44:22,459 --> 00:44:24,996 She went back to Paris. 833 00:44:25,095 --> 00:44:28,099 I just couldn't commit to her. 834 00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:32,841 It wouldn't have been right to be with Etchika. 835 00:44:32,936 --> 00:44:37,612 I felt that if you were with a man, you were sinning. 836 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,781 And if you were with a woman, you'd be lying. 837 00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:52,390 Tony and I met at the pool of the Chateau Marmont. 838 00:44:52,456 --> 00:44:56,563 He was in California doing "Friendly Persuasion." 839 00:44:56,627 --> 00:44:58,629 I don't want to die. 840 00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:01,870 I don't know if I could kill anyone if I tried. 841 00:45:01,965 --> 00:45:03,103 He was a good actor. 842 00:45:03,167 --> 00:45:04,942 ANNOUNCER: What is there about Tony Perkins that 843 00:45:05,002 --> 00:45:07,039 made the young people of America acclaim him 844 00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:09,413 as their star of the future? 845 00:45:09,473 --> 00:45:11,612 I'd been in the business longer, 846 00:45:11,675 --> 00:45:15,782 but I respected the fact that he'd done Broadway plays. 847 00:45:15,846 --> 00:45:18,520 I thought he was very intelligent, 848 00:45:18,615 --> 00:45:21,619 and he was just fun to be with. 849 00:45:21,685 --> 00:45:23,790 We just kind of hit it off. 850 00:45:23,854 --> 00:45:25,299 [MUSIC- ANTHONY PERKINS, "MOONLIGHT SWIM"] 851 00:45:29,193 --> 00:45:32,299 And I went up to his room with him. 852 00:45:32,362 --> 00:45:37,243 That's when Tony and I got together for the first time. 853 00:45:37,334 --> 00:45:40,474 And that's when we started seeing each other. 854 00:45:40,537 --> 00:45:43,177 When I first saw Tab and Tony I knew that they 855 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,550 were more than friends. 856 00:45:45,642 --> 00:45:47,087 It was pretty obvious. 857 00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:53,018 I had a wonderful relationship with him. 858 00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:55,222 I did trust him. 859 00:45:55,319 --> 00:45:58,163 I was comfortable with him. 860 00:45:58,222 --> 00:46:01,101 Tony and Tab were totally different. 861 00:46:01,191 --> 00:46:02,363 Tony was East Coast. 862 00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:05,100 Tab was West Coast. 863 00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:08,506 Tab was very macho. 864 00:46:08,565 --> 00:46:13,275 Tony was very sensitive, introverted. 865 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:15,850 Well, I would see him quite a lot. 866 00:46:15,906 --> 00:46:19,183 And he would stay to my place, lived there for a while, 867 00:46:19,243 --> 00:46:21,780 got an apartment around the corner. 868 00:46:21,879 --> 00:46:22,983 And then I would go back East. 869 00:46:23,046 --> 00:46:25,890 I'd say with Tony at his place. 870 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:28,395 I knew that he was very dedicated to being 871 00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:29,988 an actor in Hollywood. 872 00:46:30,087 --> 00:46:32,089 And the most promising male star of tomorrow 873 00:46:32,189 --> 00:46:36,638 is the fine young actor, Tony Perkins. 874 00:46:36,693 --> 00:46:39,640 TAB HUNTER: Tony was very concerned about his image 875 00:46:39,696 --> 00:46:41,801 and doing the right thing. 876 00:46:41,865 --> 00:46:45,813 They would go to a lot of pains not to be seen together. 877 00:46:45,869 --> 00:46:48,076 TAB HUNTER: At first, when Tony and I used to go out, 878 00:46:48,138 --> 00:46:50,140 we would go out together. 879 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,049 But he would get recognized. 880 00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:54,055 I would get recognized. 881 00:46:54,111 --> 00:46:55,283 He felt very uncomfortable. 882 00:46:55,379 --> 00:46:58,826 I always did too because the idea of two young actors 883 00:46:58,882 --> 00:47:01,419 around together might start some talk. 884 00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:02,486 (SINGING) Yes, I'm in love. 885 00:47:05,322 --> 00:47:07,359 Don't tell a soul. 886 00:47:07,457 --> 00:47:08,492 TAB HUNTER (SPEAKING): Natalie Wood 887 00:47:08,592 --> 00:47:09,764 and I would go to a premiere. 888 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:10,965 Then we'd go to Ciro's afterwards. 889 00:47:11,061 --> 00:47:13,405 We'd be photographed dancing. 890 00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:15,773 Then we would leave, and she'd go out the back door. 891 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:18,109 She'd have a date with Dennis Hopper. 892 00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:19,476 And I'd go see Tony. 893 00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:24,178 (SINGING) Shh, don't let it get around. 894 00:47:24,241 --> 00:47:29,190 (SPEAKING) Tony and I did go on couple dates together: 895 00:47:29,246 --> 00:47:32,090 Tab and Tony and I went out together. 896 00:47:32,149 --> 00:47:34,755 I suppose I was a beard. 897 00:47:34,818 --> 00:47:36,923 But I was happy to be a beard because we 898 00:47:36,987 --> 00:47:40,298 were having a good / I knew the game, and we were playing it. 899 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,937 In the fan magazines there would being a picture of Tab and I. 900 00:47:46,997 --> 00:47:49,341 And then in the next page there'd be a picture of Tony 901 00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:53,108 and I doing something else, but never just Tab and Tony. 902 00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:55,172 (SINGING) Shh, don't let it get around. 903 00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:09,925 I did feel that Tab and Tony had a real relationship. 904 00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:12,523 I could see them together: 905 00:48:12,623 --> 00:48:14,660 But it was a painful relationship, 906 00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:15,669 at least for Tony. 907 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:24,201 Tony was more in love with Tab than Tab was with him. 908 00:48:24,301 --> 00:48:27,248 Whenever Tab and Tony got into a fight, 909 00:48:27,304 --> 00:48:30,478 Tony would come to my house and cry 910 00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:33,987 on my shoulder about how mean Tab was. 911 00:48:34,044 --> 00:48:38,049 My relationship with Tony, I never discussed with anyone. 912 00:48:38,148 --> 00:48:40,321 And if one of my so-called friends or my friends 913 00:48:40,384 --> 00:48:44,764 would mention it, I probably would have gone berserk. 914 00:48:44,855 --> 00:48:46,459 I would have hated it and denied it 915 00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:48,901 emphatically-- (EXPLOSION SOUND) where I 916 00:48:48,992 --> 00:48:51,029 could blow it up very quickly. 917 00:48:51,094 --> 00:48:53,131 Tony, as the audience ovation indicates, 918 00:48:53,230 --> 00:48:55,608 your career is certainly going full steam ahead. 919 00:48:55,699 --> 00:48:59,511 Tony was on his way to being a pretty big star. 920 00:48:59,569 --> 00:49:04,040 Tony's career was most important to him, more than anything. 921 00:49:04,107 --> 00:49:06,053 He could be extremely charming. 922 00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:08,453 But I think he had a hidden agenda, as far 923 00:49:08,545 --> 00:49:11,856 as his career was concerned. 924 00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:17,695 You never really knew Tony 100%. 925 00:49:17,754 --> 00:49:20,564 There was always a secretive side, 926 00:49:20,624 --> 00:49:24,834 and he was a bit of a game player with people's minds. 927 00:49:24,928 --> 00:49:25,906 Can't you see it's a brush-off? 928 00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:27,101 They're trying me out at a position. 929 00:49:27,197 --> 00:49:28,505 They know I can't play it! 930 00:49:28,565 --> 00:49:30,442 Just as soon as I make a few errors, they're gonna drop me! 931 00:49:30,534 --> 00:49:33,174 Can't you see it? 932 00:49:33,236 --> 00:49:35,546 TAB HUNTER: The first live television show 933 00:49:35,605 --> 00:49:38,984 I did was "Fear Strikes Out." 934 00:49:39,076 --> 00:49:41,613 I played Jimmy Piersall. 935 00:49:41,712 --> 00:49:46,092 He was a ball player who had mental problems. 936 00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:50,962 Tony caught my performance and told me how much he liked it. 937 00:49:51,054 --> 00:49:52,829 I confided in Tony that I wanted Warner 938 00:49:52,889 --> 00:49:56,564 Brothers to buy the project for me to make a movie out of it. 939 00:49:56,626 --> 00:49:59,163 One evening we were playing ping pong on a terrace, 940 00:49:59,262 --> 00:50:02,766 and he said, oh, by the way, Paramount just bought 941 00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:05,473 "Fear Strikes Out" for me. 942 00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:07,549 And it just was like, whoa. 943 00:50:10,273 --> 00:50:11,911 He had mentioned it to the studio, 944 00:50:11,975 --> 00:50:13,852 and they got it for him. 945 00:50:16,613 --> 00:50:19,617 He was a very ambitious young man and a very fine actor 946 00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:21,856 and he should be working. 947 00:50:21,952 --> 00:50:28,892 But I did feel betrayed by that move. 948 00:50:28,959 --> 00:50:32,236 When, Jimmy-- when that's all you ever cared about. 949 00:50:32,295 --> 00:50:33,137 And you're killing me. 950 00:50:33,196 --> 00:50:34,504 You've been killing me for years. 951 00:50:34,598 --> 00:50:35,770 Yes, you have. And it's too much. 952 00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:41,475 He was very good in the film. 953 00:50:41,538 --> 00:50:44,348 But our relationship was strained after that. 954 00:50:47,711 --> 00:50:50,715 He told me that his studio didn't 955 00:50:50,814 --> 00:50:54,990 want him to see me anymore. 956 00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:57,726 We saw less and less of each other, 957 00:50:57,821 --> 00:51:00,495 and we just sort of grew apart. 958 00:51:05,629 --> 00:51:10,305 "Damn Yankees" was a huge Broadway hit. 959 00:51:10,367 --> 00:51:13,746 Jack Warner bought "Damn Yankees" for me. 960 00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:16,681 It was the first really good project for me 961 00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:19,050 from Warner Brothers. 962 00:51:19,142 --> 00:51:22,180 Jack Warner brought in the whole New York cast, 963 00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:26,216 except for the lead, and he wanted me to do that. 964 00:51:26,316 --> 00:51:28,819 I was the only outsider in it. 965 00:51:28,885 --> 00:51:31,764 It needed some sparkle, which he had. 966 00:51:31,855 --> 00:51:33,801 What's the story on this kid'? 967 00:51:33,857 --> 00:51:38,738 This Tab Hunter was like a breath of spring. 968 00:51:38,829 --> 00:51:40,331 WOW! 969 00:51:40,397 --> 00:51:42,741 The director was George Abbott. 970 00:51:42,833 --> 00:51:45,313 He didn't want me at all. 971 00:51:45,368 --> 00:51:47,348 He wanted Don Murray. 972 00:51:47,404 --> 00:51:50,749 Warner said, I want you to the use Tab Hunter. 973 00:51:50,841 --> 00:51:53,447 He's the biggest star at my studio. 974 00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:56,218 Every one of his pictures is popular. 975 00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:58,418 Tab was certainly at the top of his game. 976 00:52:01,418 --> 00:52:04,456 George Abbott and I did not get along. 977 00:52:04,554 --> 00:52:06,397 The first time I met him was at the read through. 978 00:52:06,456 --> 00:52:09,096 The whole New York cast was sitting there. 979 00:52:09,192 --> 00:52:11,229 And after I read a few lines, he said, 980 00:52:11,294 --> 00:52:13,240 I want you to read it like this. 981 00:52:13,296 --> 00:52:16,243 And he gave me a line reading, which actors do not like. 982 00:52:16,299 --> 00:52:18,802 I want to exercise the escape clause which is to take place 983 00:52:18,902 --> 00:52:21,712 on the 24th, which is today. 984 00:52:21,771 --> 00:52:25,275 So I read it the way he wanted me to. 985 00:52:25,375 --> 00:52:27,082 We went on, and he stopped me about two 986 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:29,124 or three or four times. 987 00:52:29,212 --> 00:52:32,352 And finally, I just had had enough. 988 00:52:32,415 --> 00:52:34,759 So I stopped, and I said, Mr. Abbott, from what I gather, 989 00:52:34,818 --> 00:52:36,024 you'd like me to do it the way Stephen 990 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:37,894 Douglas did it on Broadway. 991 00:52:37,954 --> 00:52:38,659 He said, yes, yes. 992 00:52:38,755 --> 00:52:39,756 That's exactly what I would like. 993 00:52:39,823 --> 00:52:41,962 I said, well, I thought Stephen Douglas 994 00:52:42,058 --> 00:52:47,872 had a magnificent voice, but I thought he was a real stick. 995 00:52:47,931 --> 00:52:49,911 If I play the character, first of all, 996 00:52:49,966 --> 00:52:52,276 he's got to be human being. 997 00:52:52,335 --> 00:52:54,337 That was the wrong thing to tell him. 998 00:52:54,437 --> 00:52:56,815 Oh, I'm honest, but, uh, I'm dumb too. 999 00:52:56,907 --> 00:53:00,377 He closed his script, said, thank you all very much. 1000 00:53:00,443 --> 00:53:04,323 He got up and left the room, and I was fired off the picture. 1001 00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:06,587 Jack Warner went to Abbott and said, 1002 00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:07,754 I bought it for Tab Hunter. 1003 00:53:07,817 --> 00:53:09,353 Tab Hunter's going to do it. 1004 00:53:09,452 --> 00:53:11,955 You don't say no to Jack Warner. 1005 00:53:12,022 --> 00:53:12,898 OK, you win. 1006 00:53:12,989 --> 00:53:14,297 Get a uniform. -You mean it? 1007 00:53:14,357 --> 00:53:15,335 - I mean it. -Wow! 1008 00:53:15,425 --> 00:53:16,130 I made it! 1009 00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:17,069 (mum-nus) 1010 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,935 Sol did the film, but it was difficult, 1011 00:53:18,995 --> 00:53:21,999 knowing that he'd never wanted me right from the start. 1012 00:53:22,098 --> 00:53:30,040 (SINGING) Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets. 1013 00:53:30,106 --> 00:53:34,111 And Gwen Verdon- Gwen always called me like a New 1014 00:53:34,177 --> 00:53:36,020 York cab driver-- Tab Huntah. 1015 00:53:36,112 --> 00:53:37,955 (LAUGHING) I loved it. 1016 00:53:40,517 --> 00:53:43,225 The choreographer was Bobby Fosse. 1017 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,267 You can't get any better than that. 1018 00:53:46,323 --> 00:53:48,428 Bobby Fosse made me look like I could dance, 1019 00:53:48,491 --> 00:53:49,595 even though I have two left feet. 1020 00:53:49,659 --> 00:53:51,639 And he said, don't worry about it, Tab. 1021 00:53:51,695 --> 00:53:52,537 You'll be fine. 1022 00:53:52,629 --> 00:53:54,131 You see, Mr., uh, Mr.-- 1023 00:53:54,197 --> 00:53:56,973 Uh, Hardy-- uh, Joe Hardy. 1024 00:53:57,033 --> 00:54:01,345 I just felt like I wanted to take him in my arms. 1025 00:54:01,404 --> 00:54:04,613 Well, he was perfect for the role. 1026 00:54:04,708 --> 00:54:06,551 He was delicious in it, and I think 1027 00:54:06,643 --> 00:54:09,749 that Mr. Abbott was very very satisfied with him ultimately. 1028 00:54:09,813 --> 00:54:11,156 All right, a carton of Winstons, and Tab, 1029 00:54:11,214 --> 00:54:12,522 thanks a million. -Thank you very much. 1030 00:54:14,484 --> 00:54:18,125 He was always, always trying to be better. 1031 00:54:20,757 --> 00:54:23,260 Probably at that time his looks got in the way a bit. 1032 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:23,759 I've had a great evening. really I have. 1033 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,639 I've had a great evening. really I have. 1034 00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:28,403 I'll never forget it. 1035 00:54:28,498 --> 00:54:31,308 The era that Tab got kind of stuck in 1036 00:54:31,368 --> 00:54:34,815 was that era when we were all very attracted to the Brando 1037 00:54:34,871 --> 00:54:37,511 angst and the Jimmy Dean angst. 1038 00:54:37,574 --> 00:54:41,283 You're tearing me apart! 1039 00:54:41,378 --> 00:54:44,757 TAB HUNTER: Warner Brothers had Jimmy as the rebel, 1040 00:54:44,848 --> 00:54:46,691 and they had me as the all-American boy. 1041 00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:50,061 So they had their bases covered. 1042 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,566 They did discuss me for the Jimmy Dean role in "Rebel 1043 00:54:52,622 --> 00:54:56,331 Without a Cause." 1044 00:54:56,426 --> 00:54:59,066 Can you imagine that? (LAUGHING) 1045 00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:01,769 He didn't get the opportunities with some of those parts 1046 00:55:01,865 --> 00:55:03,640 that he could've done very well. 1047 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:07,147 And they were terribly complicated people. 1048 00:55:07,203 --> 00:55:08,648 And one of the great assets of Tab Hunter 1049 00:55:08,705 --> 00:55:10,378 was the fact that he didn't look like a terribly 1050 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,477 complicated person. 1051 00:55:12,575 --> 00:55:15,749 You know, it's a curse and it's a blessing 1052 00:55:15,812 --> 00:55:19,988 to have that kind of career where they think that you are 1053 00:55:20,083 --> 00:55:23,553 that infectious smile or you are that person that 1054 00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:26,601 jumps off the screen to them. 1055 00:55:26,656 --> 00:55:30,103 Tab had a very difficult time trying 1056 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:36,167 to prove that behind this face there really is a talent. 1057 00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:41,648 ANNOUNCER: Playhouse 90, tonight starring Tab Hunter. 1058 00:55:41,738 --> 00:55:43,911 TAB HUNTER: The director Arthur Penn said, there's 1059 00:55:43,973 --> 00:55:45,816 a great script I've just read. 1060 00:55:45,909 --> 00:55:48,549 It was called "Portrait of a Murderer." 1061 00:55:48,611 --> 00:55:50,215 He said, will you do it? 1062 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,760 I said, oh, I don't think so. 1063 00:55:52,816 --> 00:55:55,092 Live television? 1064 00:55:55,151 --> 00:55:58,291 That would clear the hell out of me. 1065 00:55:58,355 --> 00:56:00,995 I was awfully guilty of saying, I can't do that, 1066 00:56:01,091 --> 00:56:03,230 or I'm afraid to do this. 1067 00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:04,465 But you've just got to go (SPLASHING 1068 00:56:04,527 --> 00:56:06,336 SOUND) take the plunge. 1069 00:56:06,429 --> 00:56:09,103 ANNOUNCER: "Portrait of a Murderer," 1070 00:56:09,165 --> 00:56:11,304 directed by Arthur Penn. 1071 00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:16,147 It was the true story of Donald Bashor a man 1072 00:56:16,206 --> 00:56:20,586 who committed burglaries and murdered these people. 1073 00:56:20,677 --> 00:56:23,021 It was a very powerful piece of material. 1074 00:56:23,113 --> 00:56:24,456 Put than back right now. 1075 00:56:24,514 --> 00:56:25,458 I'm calling the police. 1076 00:56:25,515 --> 00:56:28,018 You're going to get arrested for breaking and-- ah! 1077 00:56:28,118 --> 00:56:28,892 Oh! 1078 00:56:35,692 --> 00:56:39,037 He was frightening-- really frightening. 1079 00:56:39,129 --> 00:56:41,336 He played it so well because it seemed to be 1080 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:44,402 going against his own persona. 1081 00:56:44,501 --> 00:56:47,448 Here was Geraldine page from the Actor's Studio in New York. 1082 00:56:47,504 --> 00:56:50,007 It was a whole different way of working. 1083 00:56:50,073 --> 00:56:52,053 Tab kept up with her. 1084 00:56:52,142 --> 00:56:53,678 But I don't want to bring you bad luck. 1085 00:56:53,743 --> 00:56:54,448 Bad luck? 1086 00:56:54,544 --> 00:56:56,751 You're my good luck, my best luck. 1087 00:56:56,846 --> 00:56:58,382 This was big time. 1088 00:56:58,481 --> 00:57:03,453 This wasn't just some teenage heartthrob who got a break. 1089 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,555 Oh, I was proud of that show. 1090 00:57:04,654 --> 00:57:06,634 It was a good show. 1091 00:57:06,689 --> 00:57:08,726 Television was giving me the opportunity 1092 00:57:08,825 --> 00:57:12,466 to do things that I could not do in motion pictures, 1093 00:57:12,529 --> 00:57:16,238 with the most creative people in the industry, 1094 00:57:16,332 --> 00:57:18,437 directors like Sidney Lumet, John 1095 00:57:18,501 --> 00:57:21,482 Frankenheimer, really good actors 1096 00:57:21,538 --> 00:57:24,314 and actresses and good writers. 1097 00:57:24,374 --> 00:57:27,355 I loved live television. 1098 00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:28,684 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter. 1099 00:57:28,745 --> 00:57:30,884 Then it started to click, where he 1100 00:57:30,947 --> 00:57:34,394 was getting cast in things that made sense, 1101 00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:36,624 and he was no longer a joke. 1102 00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:37,424 Come on! 1103 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,225 Just me brand them. 1104 00:57:38,288 --> 00:57:41,235 I told you to put that gun away. 1105 00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:44,431 Yes, sir. 1106 00:57:44,527 --> 00:57:49,374 I'd played heavy on television but never in a film. 1107 00:57:49,432 --> 00:57:51,912 It just was such a good character. 1108 00:57:51,968 --> 00:57:53,606 It's a pathetic. 1109 00:57:53,703 --> 00:57:56,411 From now on, I'm going my own way, me, Ed Hackett. 1110 00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:58,316 He's a complete psychopath. 1111 00:57:58,408 --> 00:57:59,944 I'm giving you an order. 1112 00:58:00,043 --> 00:58:01,488 You can go to hell! 1113 00:58:01,544 --> 00:58:02,682 He's a racist. 1114 00:58:02,745 --> 00:58:05,385 You mean to tell me you'd marry that no-good half breed? 1115 00:58:05,448 --> 00:58:06,722 He's a murderer. 1116 00:58:06,783 --> 00:58:08,319 Mister, you made a mistake in pulling that gun. 1117 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:13,524 He's just waiting to explode. 1118 00:58:16,226 --> 00:58:20,368 Of all the films I've done, "Gunman's Walk" was some 1119 00:58:20,430 --> 00:58:23,877 of my best work as an actor. 1120 00:58:23,933 --> 00:58:29,713 After "Gunman's Walk," Hollywood started to see me in a new way. 1121 00:58:29,772 --> 00:58:33,652 I started getting cast in some very nice productions-- 1122 00:58:33,743 --> 00:58:38,852 "They Game to Cordura," with Gary Cooper and Rita Hayworth, 1123 00:58:38,915 --> 00:58:40,360 "The Pleasure of His Company," with Fred 1124 00:58:40,416 --> 00:58:43,954 Astaire and Debbie Reynolds, "That Kind of Woman," 1125 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:46,296 with Sophia Loren. 1126 00:58:46,356 --> 00:58:49,701 These wonderful films were not being made at Warner Brothers, 1127 00:58:49,792 --> 00:58:51,635 where I was under contract. 1128 00:58:51,694 --> 00:58:57,167 Warners would loan me out for like $250,000 a picture. 1129 00:58:57,267 --> 00:58:59,213 Then they would pay me my regular Warner 1130 00:58:59,269 --> 00:59:04,412 Brothers weekly salary, and they would pocket the difference. 1131 00:59:04,474 --> 00:59:08,854 I was getting a little upset about that. 1132 00:59:08,945 --> 00:59:11,289 The two films that Natalie and I did together 1133 00:59:11,347 --> 00:59:13,827 were both big hits. 1134 00:59:13,883 --> 00:59:17,092 So the studio went and put us together in another film. 1135 00:59:17,186 --> 00:59:21,157 Well, I read the script, and I thought, I can't do this. 1136 00:59:21,224 --> 00:59:24,068 I turned it down because I knew what I liked, 1137 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,039 knew what I didn't like, and I wanted to grow. 1138 00:59:27,130 --> 00:59:29,076 I'm not a puppet. 1139 00:59:29,132 --> 00:59:33,308 So I asked the studio for my release. 1140 00:59:33,369 --> 00:59:34,848 Well, needless to say, Jack Warner wasn't 1141 00:59:34,904 --> 00:59:38,351 about to have that happen. 1142 00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:41,218 And I said, well, Mr. Warner, how much would it cost'? 1143 00:59:41,311 --> 00:59:43,587 And he said, if you want out, you 1144 00:59:43,646 --> 00:59:48,755 pay us $100,000 for the remainder of your contract. 1145 00:59:48,818 --> 00:59:52,595 That was a lot of money, like a couple million today. 1146 00:59:52,655 --> 00:59:56,193 But to express myself and be my own person, I figured, 1147 00:59:56,259 --> 00:59:58,762 I've got to do it. 1148 00:59:58,861 --> 01:00:02,866 Products of Hollywood are interchangeable 1149 01:00:02,932 --> 01:00:05,572 and ultimately replaceable. 1150 01:00:05,668 --> 01:00:07,170 Get outta here, Dad. 1151 01:00:07,236 --> 01:00:11,685 If you weren't half drunk I'd throw you out. 1152 01:00:11,741 --> 01:00:14,847 Troy Donahue was a young actor. 1153 01:00:14,911 --> 01:00:17,391 He was one of Henry's clients. 1154 01:00:17,447 --> 01:00:19,927 Actually, Henry Wilson tried to stick me with that name 1155 01:00:20,016 --> 01:00:21,654 before they gave me Tab Hunter. 1156 01:00:24,253 --> 01:00:26,290 Warner Brothers was trying to make Troy Donahue 1157 01:00:26,389 --> 01:00:28,596 in the image of Tab Hunter. 1158 01:00:28,691 --> 01:00:31,035 They started building Troy's career 1159 01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:34,871 and have him a very good career. 1160 01:00:34,931 --> 01:00:37,434 You've been a good old wagon, but you done broke down. 1161 01:00:37,533 --> 01:00:39,979 (WHISTLING SOUND) You're out, and somebody else is in there. 1162 01:00:42,572 --> 01:00:46,714 Leaving Warner Brothers was career suicide. 1163 01:00:46,776 --> 01:00:49,086 I thought there'd be opportunity for me at other studios, 1164 01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:53,491 but that was not the case. 1165 01:00:53,583 --> 01:00:57,030 The days of studio contracts were over. 1166 01:00:57,086 --> 01:01:01,557 I was now a freelance actor on my own, 1167 01:01:01,624 --> 01:01:06,164 and my primary concern was taking care of my mother. 1168 01:01:06,262 --> 01:01:07,900 I had a lot of responsibilities. 1169 01:01:07,964 --> 01:01:11,741 And it was tough to keep your head above water. 1170 01:01:11,801 --> 01:01:13,405 I would do anything to pay down my debt. 1171 01:01:13,469 --> 01:01:17,576 ANNOUNCER: "Operation Bikini," starring Tab Hunter. 1172 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,281 My career was really drying up in Hollywood. 1173 01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:24,223 So I would take whatever was available. 1174 01:01:24,313 --> 01:01:27,260 I was no longer looking for the keys to the kingdom. 1175 01:01:27,316 --> 01:01:30,763 ANNOUNCER: "The Golden Arrow," starring Tab Hunter. 1176 01:01:30,820 --> 01:01:35,701 Well, not many actors can say that they rode a flying carpet. 1177 01:01:35,792 --> 01:01:38,932 When you have to live and you need a job, 1178 01:01:38,995 --> 01:01:40,269 you'll accept what's there. 1179 01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:41,865 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter in a dual role 1180 01:01:41,964 --> 01:01:47,073 as a heroic security officer and a treacherous enemy agent. 1181 01:01:47,136 --> 01:01:51,346 "Birds Do It," with Soupy Sales, that's a winner. 1182 01:01:51,441 --> 01:01:53,387 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter is Steamer. 1183 01:01:53,443 --> 01:01:56,287 He goes all the way for everything Hawaiian. 1184 01:01:56,345 --> 01:01:58,120 To this day, people are still coming up and saying, 1185 01:01:58,181 --> 01:02:01,458 oh, I loved you in all those beach movies! 1186 01:02:01,517 --> 01:02:03,394 I only did one. 1187 01:02:03,486 --> 01:02:05,693 That was "Ride the Wild Surf." 1188 01:02:05,788 --> 01:02:08,769 Everybody kept thinking of me as this surfer. 1189 01:02:08,825 --> 01:02:10,532 And at that point, I felt that I was a little 1190 01:02:10,626 --> 01:02:12,503 long in the tooth for that one. 1191 01:02:12,562 --> 01:02:15,873 I was 32 at the time. 1192 01:02:15,965 --> 01:02:20,141 They would have a son a little Red Flyer wagon on our knees 1193 01:02:20,203 --> 01:02:24,310 with process shot behind us of this mountainous wave. 1194 01:02:24,373 --> 01:02:25,852 And then a prop man would be in front of us 1195 01:02:25,908 --> 01:02:29,117 with a bucket of water going splash-splash, splash-splash. 1196 01:02:29,212 --> 01:02:31,214 Someone point me toward the nearest bank. 1197 01:02:31,314 --> 01:02:34,090 This was called paying the bills and keep working. 1198 01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:35,595 That's what it's all about. 1199 01:02:35,651 --> 01:02:37,756 ANNOUNCER: "The Tab Hunter Show--" 1200 01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:39,857 The television series that I did, 1201 01:02:39,922 --> 01:02:41,731 this was bottom of the barrel. 1202 01:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,269 But that's impossible. 1203 01:02:43,326 --> 01:02:46,705 This so-called comedy wound up with a director who would 1204 01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:47,969 say to us, come on, come on. 1205 01:02:48,064 --> 01:02:48,769 Faster! 1206 01:02:48,865 --> 01:02:49,673 Faster! 1207 01:02:49,732 --> 01:02:52,110 Fast is funny, but faster is funnier. 1208 01:02:52,201 --> 01:02:53,680 When do you meet her? 1209 01:02:53,736 --> 01:02:55,773 Right now. 1210 01:02:55,872 --> 01:02:57,510 It was really bad stuff. 1211 01:02:57,573 --> 01:02:59,382 The bloom came off the rose. 1212 01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:01,115 My career was going (WHISTLING SOUND). 1213 01:03:01,210 --> 01:03:02,188 Beat it, Tab. 1214 01:03:02,245 --> 01:03:04,350 Can't you see I'm busy'? 1215 01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:06,791 Without the protection of the studio, 1216 01:03:06,883 --> 01:03:11,332 my boy-next-door image was in total free fall. 1217 01:03:11,387 --> 01:03:16,496 People could say and write what they wanted, and they did. 1218 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,233 If I had still been under contract, 1219 01:03:19,295 --> 01:03:23,175 they'd have nailed it like that. 1220 01:03:23,266 --> 01:03:28,614 I was sick of Hollywood, sick of the media, 1221 01:03:28,704 --> 01:03:30,809 and I had just about lost faith in everything. 1222 01:03:33,492 --> 01:03:36,701 With a bucket of water going splash-splash, splash-splash. 1223 01:03:36,796 --> 01:03:38,798 Someone point me toward the nearest bank. 1224 01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:41,674 This was called paying the bills and keep working. 1225 01:03:41,734 --> 01:03:43,179 That's what it's all about. 1226 01:03:43,235 --> 01:03:45,340 ANNOUNCER: "The Tab Hunter Show--" 1227 01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:47,441 The television series that I did, 1228 01:03:47,506 --> 01:03:49,315 this was bottom of the barrel. 1229 01:03:49,408 --> 01:03:50,853 But that's impossible. 1230 01:03:50,910 --> 01:03:54,289 This so-called comedy wound up with a director who would 1231 01:03:54,347 --> 01:03:55,553 say to us, come on, come on. 1232 01:03:55,648 --> 01:03:56,353 Faster! 1233 01:03:56,449 --> 01:03:57,257 Faster! 1234 01:03:57,316 --> 01:03:59,694 Fast is funny, but faster is funnier. 1235 01:03:59,785 --> 01:04:01,264 When do you meet her? 1236 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,357 Right now. 1237 01:04:03,456 --> 01:04:05,094 It was really bad stuff. 1238 01:04:05,157 --> 01:04:06,966 The bloom came off the rose. 1239 01:04:07,026 --> 01:04:08,699 My career was going (WHISTLING SOUND). 1240 01:04:08,794 --> 01:04:09,772 Beat it, Tab. 1241 01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:11,934 Can't you see I'm busy'? 1242 01:04:11,997 --> 01:04:14,375 Without the protection of the studio, 1243 01:04:14,467 --> 01:04:18,916 my boy-next-door image was in total free fall. 1244 01:04:18,971 --> 01:04:24,080 People could say and write what they wanted, and they did. 1245 01:04:24,143 --> 01:04:26,817 If I had still been under contract, 1246 01:04:26,879 --> 01:04:30,759 they'd have nailed it like that. 1247 01:04:30,850 --> 01:04:36,198 I was sick of Hollywood, sick of the media, 1248 01:04:36,288 --> 01:04:38,393 and I had just about lost faith in everything. 1249 01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:49,306 As I was doing films, I would always run back to the stable. 1250 01:04:49,368 --> 01:04:52,577 The thing about being alone on a horse, 1251 01:04:52,671 --> 01:04:57,484 it helps you divorce yourself from yourself 1252 01:04:57,543 --> 01:04:59,045 because you're working with an animal 1253 01:04:59,145 --> 01:05:02,183 that has a life of its own. 1254 01:05:02,248 --> 01:05:06,219 It's a marriage that's quite marvelous. 1255 01:05:06,318 --> 01:05:09,458 I found that my touch of reality in that unrealistic world 1256 01:05:09,522 --> 01:05:10,296 of Hollywood. 1257 01:05:13,659 --> 01:05:16,162 He was riding a jumper. 1258 01:05:16,228 --> 01:05:20,176 I was in awe of him because of how he rode. 1259 01:05:20,232 --> 01:05:23,441 I was standing at the back gate, and we just started talking. 1260 01:05:23,536 --> 01:05:25,641 I didn't know who he was. 1261 01:05:25,704 --> 01:05:28,742 And he asked me questions like, do I ride'? 1262 01:05:28,841 --> 01:05:32,812 And I said, oh, yeah, I grew up on a horse. 1263 01:05:32,878 --> 01:05:34,551 He said, do you ride jumping horses? 1264 01:05:34,613 --> 01:05:36,286 And I said, no, I've not done that, 1265 01:05:36,382 --> 01:05:39,659 but the thought appeals to me. 1266 01:05:39,718 --> 01:05:43,325 And he said, I'd be willing to teach you some jumping. 1267 01:05:43,389 --> 01:05:45,426 So I took him up on it. 1268 01:05:45,524 --> 01:05:50,200 And so we became friends after that. 1269 01:05:50,262 --> 01:05:52,071 He didn't have all the trappings, 1270 01:05:52,131 --> 01:05:55,669 I didn't think, that a star would have. 1271 01:05:55,768 --> 01:05:57,213 He was very real person. 1272 01:06:03,075 --> 01:06:07,023 It was the first long-term relationship that I ever had. 1273 01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:09,081 We were together for about seven years. 1274 01:06:13,385 --> 01:06:16,025 Hollywood turned their back on him. 1275 01:06:16,088 --> 01:06:21,367 And I realized what it must be like to be very popular 1276 01:06:21,427 --> 01:06:25,534 and to be very unpopular. 1277 01:06:25,598 --> 01:06:28,204 I certainly commiserated with him. 1278 01:06:28,267 --> 01:06:30,907 But he didn't ever want to talk about it much. 1279 01:06:30,970 --> 01:06:32,950 ANNOUNCER: Tab has been out of town for a while. 1280 01:06:33,005 --> 01:06:36,179 Now he's back, just horsing around, waiting for the day 1281 01:06:36,275 --> 01:06:38,255 he's discovered again. 1282 01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:41,314 I was very concerned. 1283 01:06:41,413 --> 01:06:46,055 So I bought space in "Variety" to just tell people hello. 1284 01:06:46,118 --> 01:06:47,756 Is there any possibility of you getting 1285 01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:49,424 job somewhere around here? 1286 01:06:49,488 --> 01:06:50,831 I just wanted people to know that I wasn't 1287 01:06:50,923 --> 01:06:52,766 dead, that I'm still alive. 1288 01:06:52,825 --> 01:06:55,533 And a couple responses- really sweet people-- said, yeah, 1289 01:06:55,628 --> 01:06:57,801 get lost, or yeah, drop dead. 1290 01:06:57,863 --> 01:07:00,901 Tab Hunter, who was every high school girl's idea 1291 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,037 of a dream boat-- he was a boy who 1292 01:07:03,135 --> 01:07:05,274 never seemed to get any older. 1293 01:07:05,337 --> 01:07:07,146 Well, he has. 1294 01:07:07,206 --> 01:07:10,050 Well, I might as well have been a relic from the silent era 1295 01:07:10,142 --> 01:07:11,815 because people wanted real people 1296 01:07:11,877 --> 01:07:16,758 in real situations, no more Hollywood made-up personas. 1297 01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:18,624 We want to be free to ride our machines without being 1298 01:07:18,684 --> 01:07:19,492 hassled by the man. 1299 01:07:21,854 --> 01:07:24,528 TAB HUNTER: The new actors were anti-establishment, 1300 01:07:24,623 --> 01:07:28,730 and I was apple pie and All-American. 1301 01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:30,831 It would have taken some director 1302 01:07:30,896 --> 01:07:34,343 to give him the kind of a part that would make everybody 1303 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,710 look at him in a new way. 1304 01:07:36,802 --> 01:07:38,975 In order to make the change, he would have had 1305 01:07:39,038 --> 01:07:42,645 to do something really radical. 1306 01:07:42,708 --> 01:07:44,984 This was a low-budget horror film-- 1307 01:07:46,512 --> 01:07:49,152 --made on a show string. 1308 01:07:49,214 --> 01:07:52,252 It needed a very handsome debonair man 1309 01:07:52,351 --> 01:07:53,989 who would love women to death. 1310 01:07:58,190 --> 01:08:00,033 Tab Hunter would be the last person 1311 01:08:00,092 --> 01:08:02,732 you would expect to do that. 1312 01:08:02,828 --> 01:08:07,174 TAB HUNTER: "Sweet Kill" was certainly way out there. 1313 01:08:07,232 --> 01:08:11,078 I did it because the movie roles were just not coming along. 1314 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,252 Tab was so much a part of that Eisenhower era. 1315 01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:22,383 The '50s, as an era, was repudiated in the '60s. 1316 01:08:22,448 --> 01:08:24,086 Young people are the only people 1317 01:08:24,183 --> 01:08:26,356 in this whole country that have saved the soul of America. 1318 01:08:31,023 --> 01:08:34,368 It was a completely changed world. 1319 01:08:34,426 --> 01:08:39,466 America was at war with itself as well as at war with Vietnam. 1320 01:08:42,368 --> 01:08:46,748 My brother was in military medical evacuations. 1321 01:08:46,805 --> 01:08:49,411 He had joined the Navy. 1322 01:08:49,475 --> 01:08:53,651 He wound up in Vietnam, as so many young men did. 1323 01:08:56,615 --> 01:09:00,722 I was at a horse show at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. 1324 01:09:00,786 --> 01:09:03,062 And I was sitting on my horse at the back gate waiting 1325 01:09:03,122 --> 01:09:05,500 for the announcer to announce my horse Nob Hill 1326 01:09:05,591 --> 01:09:08,902 and myself for the next entry into the arena. 1327 01:09:08,961 --> 01:09:11,305 And I saw a man in military uniform coming, 1328 01:09:11,397 --> 01:09:18,372 and he walked over to me, and he said, are you Art Gelien? 1329 01:09:18,437 --> 01:09:23,910 I just want to tell you your brother was killed in Vietnam. 1330 01:09:23,976 --> 01:09:26,115 I thought, why him? 1331 01:09:26,178 --> 01:09:27,885 Why not me'? 1332 01:09:27,980 --> 01:09:29,425 Walt was married, and he had seven children. 1333 01:09:32,851 --> 01:09:38,358 I remember taking the moment, closing my eyes, and saying, 1334 01:09:38,457 --> 01:09:42,428 Walt, I'm gonna win this class for you. 1335 01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:46,634 And my horse won the class that night. 1336 01:09:49,501 --> 01:09:53,176 And then afterwards I went back to the barn. 1337 01:09:53,272 --> 01:09:58,984 And when I was in the stall with my horse, I totally lost it. 1338 01:09:59,044 --> 01:10:02,355 I was scared of my own shadow. 1339 01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:05,156 My brother was the one who opened the doors of life 1340 01:10:05,217 --> 01:10:07,595 for me. 1341 01:10:07,686 --> 01:10:09,222 I really looked up to him so much. 1342 01:10:15,961 --> 01:10:20,808 My mother was very stoic about my brother's death. 1343 01:10:20,866 --> 01:10:25,406 She was getting better, but it took a while. 1344 01:10:25,504 --> 01:10:27,177 I was very concerned about her well-being, 1345 01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:29,617 and I would see her a great deal more than I had when I was 1346 01:10:29,708 --> 01:10:32,746 running around with the movies. 1347 01:10:32,845 --> 01:10:36,156 I found her a little apartment in Long Beach. 1348 01:10:36,215 --> 01:10:37,819 Whatever she need, I would be there for her. 1349 01:10:40,886 --> 01:10:44,163 Well, I made a promise to my mother to take care of her. 1350 01:10:44,223 --> 01:10:47,397 And I definitely was going to keep it. 1351 01:10:47,493 --> 01:10:49,939 I had to create work in some way. 1352 01:10:52,498 --> 01:10:53,841 I discovered dinner theater. 1353 01:10:56,435 --> 01:10:59,644 Dinner theater was a place where people could come and stuff 1354 01:10:59,738 --> 01:11:02,878 their faces, then sit back, and while they were getting 1355 01:11:02,941 --> 01:11:07,481 to belch, watch the show they you were doing. (LAUGHING) 1356 01:11:07,579 --> 01:11:10,788 They were becoming very, very popular. 1357 01:11:10,883 --> 01:11:14,854 There was a stigma attached to working dinner theaters. 1358 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:20,734 They said that it was the place that old actors went to die. 1359 01:11:20,793 --> 01:11:22,329 I was making more money at dinner theater 1360 01:11:22,427 --> 01:11:25,135 than I was waiting for a picture now and then in Hollywood, 1361 01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:28,074 that's for sure-- six weeks here, 1362 01:11:28,133 --> 01:11:32,946 eight weeks there, four weeks here, all over the country. 1363 01:11:33,038 --> 01:11:36,918 I felt I had to keep going once you put yourself in that gear. 1364 01:11:36,975 --> 01:11:40,684 I was on the road constantly. 1365 01:11:40,779 --> 01:11:42,258 INTERVIEWER: Your story in "Here Lies 1366 01:11:42,314 --> 01:11:43,952 Jeremy Troy," which is at the Grand 1367 01:11:44,049 --> 01:11:45,153 Dinner Theater in Anaheim-- 1368 01:11:45,217 --> 01:11:45,922 That's right. 1369 01:11:45,984 --> 01:11:46,985 We'll be there for eight weeks. 1370 01:11:47,085 --> 01:11:49,588 It's right opposite the entrance to Disneyland. 1371 01:11:49,655 --> 01:11:54,297 It's a very lonely, lonely existence. 1372 01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:56,600 You perform in front of 1,500 people, 1373 01:11:56,662 --> 01:12:00,633 and you go home to a hotel room in the middle of nowhere 1374 01:12:00,732 --> 01:12:03,076 by yourself. 1375 01:12:03,135 --> 01:12:07,015 Working at dinner theater was very exhausting. 1376 01:12:07,105 --> 01:12:10,882 And doing that every single night took a toll on me. 1377 01:12:10,943 --> 01:12:12,650 I wore myself right into the ground 1378 01:12:12,744 --> 01:12:15,953 to the point of where I had a heart attack. 1379 01:12:16,014 --> 01:12:19,826 I was sure that it could be the end. 1380 01:12:23,655 --> 01:12:26,192 I was wondering if I was going to be able to make it, 1381 01:12:26,291 --> 01:12:29,329 and I was praying a lot. 1382 01:12:29,428 --> 01:12:33,433 I did give up dinner theater after that. 1383 01:12:33,498 --> 01:12:36,479 I learned to try to relax a bit. 1384 01:12:36,535 --> 01:12:39,072 I learned to be grateful for every moment 1385 01:12:39,171 --> 01:12:40,013 and thankful- thankful. 1386 01:12:46,178 --> 01:12:48,624 I love the church. 1387 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,853 I love my religion. 1388 01:12:50,949 --> 01:12:54,396 But I still just felt like I was such an outcast 1389 01:12:54,453 --> 01:12:55,261 because of my sexuality. 1390 01:12:59,658 --> 01:13:01,194 It took a long time for me to find my way back. 1391 01:13:04,863 --> 01:13:07,343 It was so peaceful, and it was so important 1392 01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:11,745 that I try to be a part of it. 1393 01:13:11,837 --> 01:13:15,512 And I struck up a conversation with a priest who I felt 1394 01:13:15,574 --> 01:13:18,555 I can really communicate with. 1395 01:13:18,644 --> 01:13:20,487 I told him I was a Catholic, and I told him I 1396 01:13:20,545 --> 01:13:24,687 had some terrible reservations. 1397 01:13:24,750 --> 01:13:26,855 He was so receptive. 1398 01:13:26,919 --> 01:13:31,026 And he really made me feel better about myself. 1399 01:13:33,759 --> 01:13:40,301 He was discovering something about his own truth. 1400 01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:45,041 For a man to have to live in someone else's presuming 1401 01:13:45,103 --> 01:13:50,815 about who you should love, how do you ever know yourself? 1402 01:13:50,909 --> 01:13:54,755 He was going to go where his heart told him to go. 1403 01:13:57,416 --> 01:14:02,525 By going back to my church and my beliefs, that really, 1404 01:14:02,587 --> 01:14:07,696 really helped me through a very difficult period. 1405 01:14:07,759 --> 01:14:12,265 And little by little, I just felt the weight of the world 1406 01:14:12,364 --> 01:14:13,570 was lifted from me. 1407 01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:23,942 I knew Tab is an image, you know'? 1408 01:14:24,042 --> 01:14:26,318 And that was the thing that was so very important to me 1409 01:14:26,378 --> 01:14:28,915 and why I so much wanted him to be in Polyester." 1410 01:14:28,981 --> 01:14:30,824 It's Todd, honey. 1411 01:14:30,916 --> 01:14:31,917 Todd? 1412 01:14:31,984 --> 01:14:33,361 Todd Tomorrow? 1413 01:14:33,452 --> 01:14:35,728 John Waters called me up on the telephone and said, 1414 01:14:35,787 --> 01:14:39,325 I've got a script I'd like you to read for a film with Divine. 1415 01:14:39,424 --> 01:14:40,869 What do you think, sweetheart? 1416 01:14:40,926 --> 01:14:43,736 Oh, it's very high brow, Todd. 1417 01:14:43,795 --> 01:14:45,297 And then he said, how would you feel 1418 01:14:45,397 --> 01:14:47,741 about kissing a 1419 01:14:47,799 --> 01:14:50,302 (LAUGHING) And I just said, I'm sure 1420 01:14:50,402 --> 01:14:53,713 I've kissed a hell of a lot worse. 1421 01:14:53,772 --> 01:14:56,446 John's films were outrageous. 1422 01:14:56,508 --> 01:14:59,352 I prayed that he would never go watch "Pink Flamingos." 1423 01:14:59,444 --> 01:15:01,321 Happy birthday, fatso. 1424 01:15:01,413 --> 01:15:02,357 Oh! 1425 01:15:02,414 --> 01:15:03,449 And he did. 1426 01:15:03,515 --> 01:15:05,961 How could anyone be filthier than Divine'? 1427 01:15:06,018 --> 01:15:10,489 Even then, he didn't say, oh, well, never mind. 1428 01:15:10,589 --> 01:15:13,195 He was unafraid. 1429 01:15:13,258 --> 01:15:15,864 I remember an agent saying to me at the time, 1430 01:15:15,927 --> 01:15:17,873 you can't do that film. 1431 01:15:17,929 --> 01:15:20,967 And my response was, what have I got to lose'? 1432 01:15:21,033 --> 01:15:22,842 Where's my career now'? 1433 01:15:22,934 --> 01:15:24,743 I thought this will be a lot of fun. 1434 01:15:24,803 --> 01:15:27,079 Why don't you show me your bedroom, honey'? 1435 01:15:27,139 --> 01:15:28,083 Mother may I'? 1436 01:15:28,140 --> 01:15:28,948 Yes, you may. 1437 01:15:29,007 --> 01:15:29,781 Ooh! 1438 01:15:29,841 --> 01:15:32,845 I could only afford him for one week. 1439 01:15:32,944 --> 01:15:35,550 I'm sure it was the least Tab Hunter was ever paid, 1440 01:15:35,614 --> 01:15:39,426 and it was by far the most I had ever paid anybody. 1441 01:15:39,484 --> 01:15:42,693 Doing a film for John, you got to find a spot on the floor 1442 01:15:42,788 --> 01:15:46,167 where you can sit down between takes-- cold pizza at 2:00 1443 01:15:46,224 --> 01:15:47,532 AM. (mum-nus) 1444 01:15:47,626 --> 01:15:48,900 Are you my little flesh pot? 1445 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,132 Mm-hmm. 1446 01:15:50,195 --> 01:15:52,197 It was the first time ever we had 1447 01:15:52,297 --> 01:15:54,470 quote, "a real movle star" come ln 1448 01:15:54,533 --> 01:15:57,514 and work with my movie stars. 1449 01:15:57,569 --> 01:16:01,039 Tab made out with Divine who was in drag. 1450 01:16:01,139 --> 01:16:04,177 People could not believe their eyes. 1451 01:16:04,242 --> 01:16:07,416 That's why the movie worked because they together 1452 01:16:07,512 --> 01:16:10,220 were a great screen couple. 1453 01:16:10,315 --> 01:16:12,090 A couple of people said, oh, don't worry about it. 1454 01:16:12,150 --> 01:16:14,687 Nobody's gonna see this film. 1455 01:16:14,753 --> 01:16:15,959 The movie came out. 1456 01:16:16,054 --> 01:16:17,397 It was a hit. 1457 01:16:17,489 --> 01:16:19,969 And it definitely revitalized my career. 1458 01:16:20,025 --> 01:16:22,972 Mr. Tab Hunter, yay! 1459 01:16:23,028 --> 01:16:24,905 Well, there was a whole new audience 1460 01:16:24,996 --> 01:16:27,033 that never heard of Tab Hunter. 1461 01:16:27,099 --> 01:16:28,442 Now, what is the best time of the month 1462 01:16:28,533 --> 01:16:31,241 for a woman to conceive? 1463 01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:33,475 I feel like a new old face or an old new face. 1464 01:16:33,538 --> 01:16:35,575 So I'm getting my toe in the door to start all over again. 1465 01:16:35,674 --> 01:16:37,551 It's very exciting 1466 01:16:37,609 --> 01:16:39,714 Tab was serious about his career. 1467 01:16:39,778 --> 01:16:41,621 But he never took himself that seriously. 1468 01:16:41,713 --> 01:16:43,056 DR. ERNO: Tab, what do you do for a living? 1469 01:16:43,115 --> 01:16:45,288 Well, Erno, I'm a Hollywood movie star, 1470 01:16:45,383 --> 01:16:48,387 and I've been in over 40 films, and I lived in Beverly Hills. 1471 01:16:48,453 --> 01:16:49,659 That sounds exciting. 1472 01:16:49,754 --> 01:16:52,963 He found himself amusing. 1473 01:16:53,058 --> 01:16:55,561 When you have a sense of humor about yourself, 1474 01:16:55,627 --> 01:16:57,231 people appreciate you in another way. 1475 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:04,806 I wanted to work with Divine again. 1476 01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:08,818 I had come up with the idea of doing a Western comedy. 1477 01:17:08,874 --> 01:17:10,854 It was called "Lust in the Dust." 1478 01:17:10,909 --> 01:17:13,082 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter is the stranger. 1479 01:17:13,945 --> 01:17:18,655 And Divine is Rosy Valdez. 1480 01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:19,524 Come and get it. 1481 01:17:19,584 --> 01:17:21,359 I turned over every stone I possibly 1482 01:17:21,419 --> 01:17:25,060 could trying to get "Lust in the Dust" going forward. 1483 01:17:25,123 --> 01:17:27,660 The first time I saw Tab in person 1484 01:17:27,759 --> 01:17:29,204 was when he walked into my office 1485 01:17:29,261 --> 01:17:32,367 at Fox to pitch "Lust in the Dust." 1486 01:17:32,430 --> 01:17:36,469 Tab still had that star quality. 1487 01:17:36,568 --> 01:17:38,775 And I mentioned the project to Allan. 1488 01:17:38,837 --> 01:17:43,013 And he hit on it right away and said, what a wonderful idea. 1489 01:17:43,108 --> 01:17:45,452 Once Tab left the meeting, I thought, yeah, 1490 01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:48,889 "Lust in the Dust" could work. 1491 01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:53,122 I knew I could trust him almost immediately. 1492 01:17:53,185 --> 01:17:56,792 I found Allan very attractive, very bright, 1493 01:17:56,855 --> 01:17:59,563 and I wanted to spend more time with him. 1494 01:17:59,658 --> 01:18:01,968 Tab started calling me. 1495 01:18:02,027 --> 01:18:03,506 And I thought initially it was just 1496 01:18:03,595 --> 01:18:06,872 a follow up about "Lust in the Dust," but it went beyond that. 1497 01:18:10,302 --> 01:18:13,442 Tab was 30 years older and I was. 1498 01:18:13,505 --> 01:18:15,109 I was 23. 1499 01:18:15,173 --> 01:18:17,346 Tabb was 53. 1500 01:18:17,442 --> 01:18:19,786 But once we did connect, I couldn't 1501 01:18:19,844 --> 01:18:22,825 imagine us not being together. 1502 01:18:22,881 --> 01:18:26,158 And then the more our personal relationship grew, 1503 01:18:26,218 --> 01:18:31,327 the more I was determined to get that movie done. 1504 01:18:31,389 --> 01:18:33,596 I tried to get it going at Fox, and there 1505 01:18:33,692 --> 01:18:34,898 was a little bit of interest, but they 1506 01:18:34,993 --> 01:18:37,473 ultimately passed on it. 1507 01:18:37,529 --> 01:18:41,033 Tab said to me I should get involved and produce this. 1508 01:18:41,132 --> 01:18:44,579 Well, that would mean having to leave my secure job 1509 01:18:44,636 --> 01:18:49,984 at Fox, which I did. 1510 01:18:50,041 --> 01:18:53,420 People told me I was taking a big risk leaving the studio. 1511 01:18:53,511 --> 01:18:55,388 But I had a hunch that my future would 1512 01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:59,121 be better with Tab, so I left. 1513 01:18:59,184 --> 01:19:02,529 He single-handedly raised all the money for that film. 1514 01:19:02,587 --> 01:19:04,191 You got it all wrong, honey. 1515 01:19:04,256 --> 01:19:06,395 You've been cheap all your life. 1516 01:19:06,491 --> 01:19:07,196 Cheap? 1517 01:19:07,259 --> 01:19:09,603 I was the sister of Divine. 1518 01:19:09,694 --> 01:19:11,640 This furniture is cheap. 1519 01:19:11,696 --> 01:19:13,698 I looked like a drag queen, you know'? 1520 01:19:13,765 --> 01:19:16,871 (LAUGHING) I think that was the idea. 1521 01:19:16,935 --> 01:19:21,406 My love scene with Tab Hunter- we were in a shower. 1522 01:19:21,506 --> 01:19:22,280 It was delicious. 1523 01:19:25,677 --> 01:19:29,352 The first film I ever appeared in was "Lust in the Dust." 1524 01:19:29,414 --> 01:19:32,452 That set, in particular, had a real sense of frivolity and fun 1525 01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:33,255 about it. 1526 01:19:33,351 --> 01:19:35,854 And I remember being struck by Tab's naturalism 1527 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,198 and how effortlessly everything he was doing was coming across. 1528 01:19:40,258 --> 01:19:42,295 Victory shifts from man to man. 1529 01:19:42,394 --> 01:19:43,566 Deuteronomy'? 1530 01:19:43,628 --> 01:19:45,301 Homer. 1531 01:19:45,397 --> 01:19:49,174 Everybody was sort of playing it larger than life. 1532 01:19:49,234 --> 01:19:52,010 "Lust in the Dust" was well received, 1533 01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:58,214 and it certainly opened doors for us to do other things. 1534 01:19:58,276 --> 01:20:01,314 ALLAN GLASER: Tab definitely had a value. 1535 01:20:01,413 --> 01:20:07,125 I got a lot of meetings just because Tab was attached. 1536 01:20:07,218 --> 01:20:09,027 We were doing these independent projects, 1537 01:20:09,087 --> 01:20:13,365 and Tab's celebrity helped me raise the financing. 1538 01:20:13,425 --> 01:20:15,905 It was a very productive time for us. 1539 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:20,568 For me, it was a challenge to make it work, which I enjoyed. 1540 01:20:20,632 --> 01:20:23,078 But not so much for Tab. 1541 01:20:23,134 --> 01:20:24,738 He didn't find that same excitement 1542 01:20:24,803 --> 01:20:28,250 that I found in trying to get these projects going. 1543 01:20:28,306 --> 01:20:29,910 Well, I never paid a lot of attention what 1544 01:20:29,974 --> 01:20:31,078 was happening in Hollywood. 1545 01:20:31,142 --> 01:20:32,314 I let Allan do all of that because he 1546 01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:33,548 was really good at it. 1547 01:20:33,611 --> 01:20:34,316 How are you'? 1548 01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:35,356 Tab Hunter. 1549 01:20:35,413 --> 01:20:40,624 By this time, Tab wasn't too happy to continue acting. 1550 01:20:40,685 --> 01:20:45,464 Tab was still getting offers, but he turned 90% of everything 1551 01:20:45,523 --> 01:20:47,059 he was offered down. 1552 01:20:50,528 --> 01:20:54,635 People were coming out, and that was their choice to do so, 1553 01:20:54,699 --> 01:20:57,305 and I respect that. 1554 01:20:57,369 --> 01:21:03,684 Personally, I didn't want my sexuality to define who I was. 1555 01:21:03,775 --> 01:21:06,278 I just didn't talk about. 1556 01:21:06,344 --> 01:21:09,120 It's not my comfort zone. 1557 01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:12,821 I was point-blank asked about my sexuality. 1558 01:21:12,884 --> 01:21:16,593 Wasn't it difficult to be in a closet? 1559 01:21:16,688 --> 01:21:21,159 Some of the press occasionally would cross that boundary, 1560 01:21:21,226 --> 01:21:23,172 I'm entitled to have that line there, 1561 01:21:23,228 --> 01:21:28,541 and if I don't want to share that with you, I won't. 1562 01:21:28,633 --> 01:21:30,169 I think it probably means I finally made it. 1563 01:21:30,235 --> 01:21:32,112 I mean, you can't be a star without having a gay rumor out 1564 01:21:32,203 --> 01:21:34,046 there, can you'? (LAUGHING) 1565 01:21:34,139 --> 01:21:35,846 In some respects, the business is 1566 01:21:35,907 --> 01:21:38,183 still like it was in the '50s. 1567 01:21:38,243 --> 01:21:41,452 It may be a lot more socially acceptable to be gay. 1568 01:21:41,546 --> 01:21:44,049 But I know several people who are very 1569 01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:48,154 prominent in this industry who feel, perhaps legitimately, 1570 01:21:48,219 --> 01:21:51,496 that if they came out it would affect their box office appeal. 1571 01:21:51,556 --> 01:21:55,936 Let's put it this way, fellas, a Gillette shave turns a trick. 1572 01:21:56,027 --> 01:22:01,568 For someone who is the fantasy for women all across America 1573 01:22:01,666 --> 01:22:06,172 and the world, to come out in the public and say, 1574 01:22:06,237 --> 01:22:12,085 I'm gay and expect to play leading men is an issue. 1575 01:22:12,177 --> 01:22:14,521 It's still tricky. 1576 01:22:14,579 --> 01:22:18,083 Every actor who has a secret, like being gay, 1577 01:22:18,183 --> 01:22:21,323 there's a part of us that are afraid of Hollywood. 1578 01:22:21,386 --> 01:22:25,766 We're afraid to be who we are completely. 1579 01:22:25,857 --> 01:22:28,838 That's a hard life to lead. 1580 01:22:28,893 --> 01:22:32,932 After decades of being in the public eye, all I wanted 1581 01:22:33,031 --> 01:22:35,204 was my privacy. 1582 01:22:35,266 --> 01:22:40,045 In order to achieve that, I just withdrew from it all for good. 1583 01:22:47,078 --> 01:22:49,080 My life had been very transient. 1584 01:22:51,716 --> 01:22:55,186 I never thought of settling down. 1585 01:22:55,253 --> 01:22:58,700 But then Allan came into my life and just 1586 01:22:58,756 --> 01:23:00,258 opened up whole new vistas. 1587 01:23:03,895 --> 01:23:06,535 We're so much of a part of each other 1588 01:23:06,598 --> 01:23:09,306 now because we have been together for so long. 1589 01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,437 And it's just one of those things. 1590 01:23:11,503 --> 01:23:14,177 It works. 1591 01:23:14,272 --> 01:23:17,378 Allan's a very stabilizing influence. 1592 01:23:17,442 --> 01:23:21,049 I have a wonderful relationship with Allan that's 1593 01:23:21,112 --> 01:23:24,719 grown over SO-some years. 1594 01:23:24,782 --> 01:23:28,059 This is really an incredible person that I 1595 01:23:28,119 --> 01:23:28,995 want to spend my life with. 1596 01:23:35,193 --> 01:23:38,504 What brings Tab pleasure on a daily basis, 1597 01:23:38,596 --> 01:23:42,408 and I can sum it up in one word, is Harlow. 1598 01:23:42,467 --> 01:23:44,913 This old cow, look at her. 1599 01:23:44,969 --> 01:23:49,850 ALLAN GLASER: Harlow, Tab's horse, is what gives Tab joy. 1600 01:23:49,941 --> 01:23:52,319 This is what makes me happiest. 1601 01:23:52,377 --> 01:23:55,017 This is where I really feel more at ease 1602 01:23:55,113 --> 01:23:56,786 than I would anywhere else. 1603 01:23:56,848 --> 01:23:58,794 It's getting up in the morning, having 1604 01:23:58,850 --> 01:24:03,162 to go clean out that stall, having to groom that horse. 1605 01:24:03,221 --> 01:24:06,031 Whoa, listen to your belly growl! 1606 01:24:06,124 --> 01:24:09,264 That sounds like a pretty good life-- riding horses and just 1607 01:24:09,327 --> 01:24:11,102 kind of cooling his heels. 1608 01:24:11,162 --> 01:24:14,109 OK move your tush, sweetheart. 1609 01:24:14,165 --> 01:24:15,667 He's a better man than I am. 1610 01:24:15,733 --> 01:24:18,839 I try to stay away from anything weighing 1,400 pounds 1611 01:24:18,903 --> 01:24:22,077 and has a brain the size of a walnut. 1612 01:24:22,173 --> 01:24:26,019 When you have a passion that fulfills you, 1613 01:24:26,077 --> 01:24:31,618 you don't look to other areas to fill you up. 1614 01:24:31,716 --> 01:24:35,926 Tab is an incredible horseman and always has been, 1615 01:24:36,020 --> 01:24:40,469 and that is a career in itself. 1616 01:24:40,525 --> 01:24:44,667 Well, my acting career I look at as being all in the past. 1617 01:24:44,729 --> 01:24:48,939 I loved it, bud I love where I am now in my life. 1618 01:24:49,033 --> 01:24:50,910 And I am happy to be forgotten. 1619 01:24:57,275 --> 01:24:59,812 Tab's attitude to his Hollywood career 1620 01:24:59,911 --> 01:25:01,948 is been there, done that. 1621 01:25:02,046 --> 01:25:05,050 He calls it his past life, which drives me nuts. 1622 01:25:05,116 --> 01:25:07,062 I found this is at flea market. 1623 01:25:07,118 --> 01:25:09,325 It's something that he could embrace, 1624 01:25:09,420 --> 01:25:10,421 but he doesn't care to do it. 1625 01:25:10,521 --> 01:25:11,226 He did it. 1626 01:25:11,289 --> 01:25:13,269 He let go of it. 1627 01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:16,362 He doesn't even want to see himself on television. 1628 01:25:16,427 --> 01:25:21,035 If he's laying in bed and an old movie of his comes on, 1629 01:25:21,099 --> 01:25:23,579 he doesn't stop for one second. 1630 01:25:23,635 --> 01:25:24,670 Forget it. 1631 01:25:24,769 --> 01:25:26,271 ALLAN GLASER: He just flips through the channel 1632 01:25:26,371 --> 01:25:29,511 like it was a dog food commercial and keeps going. 1633 01:25:29,574 --> 01:25:31,383 Well, a-- a boy's best friend is his mother. 1634 01:25:34,912 --> 01:25:37,017 We were casting "Lust in the Dust," 1635 01:25:37,081 --> 01:25:39,925 and there was this character named Hardcase Williams. 1636 01:25:39,984 --> 01:25:44,330 And I thought Tony Perkins would be perfect for that role. 1637 01:25:44,422 --> 01:25:48,768 ANNOUNCER: 22 years later, Norman Bates is home. 1638 01:25:48,826 --> 01:25:51,534 "Psycho ll" had just come out. 1639 01:25:51,629 --> 01:25:54,803 Tony was getting a tremendous amount of publicity. 1640 01:25:54,899 --> 01:25:56,936 Tab was having a career resurgence 1641 01:25:57,001 --> 01:26:00,847 at the same exact time Tony Perkins was. 1642 01:26:00,938 --> 01:26:05,444 He said, Tony Perkins-- do you know him'? 1643 01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:08,389 (LAUGHING) I said, yeah, Allan, I know him. 1644 01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:13,656 (LAUGHING) I contacted Tony, went up 1645 01:26:13,751 --> 01:26:16,527 to his house up on Mulholland. 1646 01:26:16,587 --> 01:26:20,057 I hadn't seen him in a long while. 1647 01:26:20,124 --> 01:26:23,469 His wife Mary answered the door. 1648 01:26:23,528 --> 01:26:26,008 Tony had married, had a family. 1649 01:26:26,097 --> 01:26:29,306 And I presented Tony with the script. 1650 01:26:29,367 --> 01:26:31,074 And he said he really would like to do it, 1651 01:26:31,169 --> 01:26:33,115 but he just didn't think it was the right project for him 1652 01:26:33,171 --> 01:26:35,378 at the time. 1653 01:26:35,473 --> 01:26:38,818 And Tony and I said goodbye that afternoon, 1654 01:26:38,876 --> 01:26:42,085 and that was the last time that I saw Tony. 1655 01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:45,525 AIDS has taken the life of actor Anthony Perkins. 1656 01:26:45,616 --> 01:26:50,497 He died Saturday at his Los Angeles home. 1657 01:26:50,555 --> 01:26:55,004 I never felt that Tony was struggling with his identity. 1658 01:26:55,059 --> 01:26:59,166 And when I did hear of it, I was really quite surprised. 1659 01:26:59,230 --> 01:27:05,374 Maybe he was deep down unhappy with himself about being gay 1660 01:27:05,470 --> 01:27:08,280 and wanted to change that. 1661 01:27:08,339 --> 01:27:10,876 His choice was right for him, and it's 1662 01:27:10,975 --> 01:27:14,787 all part of a person's growth. 1663 01:27:14,846 --> 01:27:19,659 Tony was who he was, or maybe he wanted to be. 1664 01:27:19,717 --> 01:27:22,095 That was good enough for me. 1665 01:27:22,186 --> 01:27:26,726 I had no right- no one does-- to be judgmental or to second 1666 01:27:26,824 --> 01:27:28,303 guess his pursuit of happiness. 1667 01:27:31,162 --> 01:27:35,474 There are an awful lot of people who have feelings, 1668 01:27:35,533 --> 01:27:39,345 and they're in conflict with themselves. 1669 01:27:39,403 --> 01:27:44,409 And it's a terribly difficult thing to have to go through. 1670 01:27:44,509 --> 01:27:46,614 I think you have to be true to yourself. 1671 01:27:52,717 --> 01:27:56,859 My mother never said I love you a lot. 1672 01:27:56,921 --> 01:28:02,963 But she'd show it when you'd least expect it. 1673 01:28:03,060 --> 01:28:04,869 My mother and I are sitting on the back terrace 1674 01:28:04,929 --> 01:28:07,910 having breakfast one morning after church. 1675 01:28:07,965 --> 01:28:09,911 And she leaned over and kissed me on the cheek and said, 1676 01:28:09,967 --> 01:28:12,573 I love you very much. 1677 01:28:12,637 --> 01:28:13,672 I was in a good place with her. 1678 01:28:13,771 --> 01:28:14,476 I know that. 1679 01:28:14,572 --> 01:28:18,418 And she was in a good place with me. 1680 01:28:18,476 --> 01:28:19,420 I miss her. 1681 01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:31,092 There's something well-grounded about Tab. 1682 01:28:31,155 --> 01:28:35,968 That's why he's lasted all these years is that he's real. 1683 01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:36,765 He's like the earth. 1684 01:28:36,828 --> 01:28:39,638 He's solid. 1685 01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:44,236 He's happy in his own special way to live his life, 1686 01:28:44,302 --> 01:28:46,748 and he's had a happy life. 1687 01:28:46,804 --> 01:28:48,579 He chose that right road. 132152

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