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We will begin the session now.
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You will remain aware
of everything that goes on.
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Okay.
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We're going to find
an incident in your life
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you have an exact record of.
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Then by sending you through it
at the time it happened,
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we're going to reduce it.
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We will reduce the pain.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Tell me what's happening.
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Well, these things get all so...
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I joined in 198...
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It was a bunch of young kids,
like I was young...
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We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
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Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
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I think the first time I saw
Hubbard, and I was in awe...
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We did, because you thought
we were doing good.
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I mean, so you had
some gratification.
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I felt a tremendous amount
of relief.
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I got the answers for everything
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within the religion.
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What are you most afraid of?
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It was dark.
3:00 in the morning,
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there's a knock
on the hotel-room door.
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Stop! I'll say whatever
you want,
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I'll write up anything
that you want.
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I flipped out.
I started punching holes
in the walls.
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Things didn't seem quite right.
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And you just feel
so foolish at that point.
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Do you have a secret
you're afraid I'll find out?
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Yes. Yes.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Okay, all right.
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Tell me about it.
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I was 21 years old,
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living in London,
Ontario, Canada.
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I wanted to be
a documentary filmmaker.
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And someone had told me
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about what they called...
They said, "there's this cult
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"in New York
called scientology,"
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which I'd never heard of.
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"And if you give them
all your money,
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"they'll make anything
possible in your life."
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And about six months later,
i was walking down the street.
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This guy was there
selling books.
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And I realized
they were all the same book...
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"Dianetics,"
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which again,
i had never heard of.
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He handed me one
and asked me to look at it.
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He was talking.
I wasn't really listening
to him.
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I opened the cover
and it said...
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Stamped on the inside page,
it said "church of scientology."
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And I said,
"take me there."
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All right.
All right, here we go.
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I'm not a great multitasker.
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You know, and if I feel
like doing something,
that's what I do.
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And, uh, I was into this shit,
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and I was becoming an auditor.
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Like, I was in scientology
probably four months,
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and I had done more
than John Travolta had done,
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and he'd been there
for 85 years or some shit.
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My agents called, you know,
"you got an audition."
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"Eh, fuck it, I don't really..."
You know what I mean?
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I was on...
I'm on a spiritual adventure,
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and this was like, "whoa,
this is an interesting road."
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You know?
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So, uh, what was the question?
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So tell me,
how was it you first
got involved in scientology?
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Well, I was introduced to it
by some friends.
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I don't know if they said it
or if it was just talked about
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by others that
they had super powers.
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And I... I was, like,
really young,
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but I thought, "I'd like
to have super powers!"
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But also I had done so much...
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Political-social work.
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So this really looked like...
That it was a solution
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to handling a lot
of the world's problems.
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Instead of trying
to handle things en masse,
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you could deal with it
person by person,
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make each person better,
and thus the world would
get better and surer.
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Well, thank you very much,
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and welcome
to our whole new world.
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It's a world where
the operative phrase reads...
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"Exceeding all expectations,
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"transcending all parameters,
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"extending the boundaries
beyond any boundary,
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"not to mention
godspeed, lightning speed,
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"and a quantum leap
in sheer rapidity of progress
up the bridge."
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We're out to make every life
extraordinary.
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And if by chance
it ever seems laborious
or a sacrifice,
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then you are looking
at the offramps instead
of the highway.
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You are missing
the signpost up ahead,
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the one that reads,
"next stop, infinity."
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Probably my favorite concept
of scientology
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is a world without criminality,
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a world without war,
and a world without insanity.
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And I know of no other group
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that their goals are that clear.
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Look, I don't...
You name me another philosophy,
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religion, or technology
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that one of its main goals...
Besides the three
i mentioned earlier...
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Where joy
is the operative concept.
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These are the times now, people.
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Okay? These are the times
we will all remember.
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Were you there?
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What did you do?
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So what do you say?
Can we clean this place up?
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Yeah!
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Okay.
Because we're counting on you.
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Okay?
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All right?
To lrh!
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Hip-hip...
Hooray!
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Hip-hip...
Hooray!
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Hip-hip...
Hooray!
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Scientology is such a subject
of fascination for people.
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How did you get engaged
in the story?
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Well, I've always
been interested in religions
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and why people believe
one idea rather than another.
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I've studied Jonestown,
radical islam.
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They're oftentimes
good-hearted people...
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Idealistic, but full of
a kind of crushing certainty
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that eliminates doubt.
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You know, my goal
wasn't to write an exposã©.
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It was simply
to understand scientology,
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trying to understand
what people get out of it.
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You know, why do they
go into it in the first place?
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I was
interested in intelligent
and skeptical people
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who are drawn
into a belief system
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and wind up acting
on those beliefs
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in ways they never
thought they would.
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The church of scientology
turned out to be
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two offices
above a woolworth's store.
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He asked me,
"what's ruining your life?"
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I said, "oh, I'm in love.
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"I'm in love with this woman.
It's impossible.
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"I don't know what to do.
I need some help."
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And he said,
"we can help you with that."
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I said, "really?"
"Yes."
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And I ran home and got her,
and I said, "we have to
sign up for this.
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"It sounds really good.
It could save
our relationship."
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So we both signed up
the next day to do a course,
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which I think cost $50.
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The thing that absolutely got me
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and stayed with me forever
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was the very first thing
i read when you open
the course pack,
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and it said...
I'm paraphrasing...
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"Don't believe any of this.
If it works for you, great.
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"If it doesn't, discard it."
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I was troubled by the fact
that they called it a religion,
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but I figured,
"oh, it's some tax scam.
It's fine with me.
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"I don't really care about that
as long as it works."
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The first exercise,
after you do all this reading
and stuff like that,
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is this thing called
o-t-t-r-0,
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which is basically,
you stand... you sit
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just like this, eyes closed,
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three feet away
from somebody who's
doing the same thing,
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and you basically confront them.
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You know?
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And in scientology lingo,
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I went exterior.
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Exteriorizing
is what they call it.
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You know, you leave your body.
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So it was a... transcendent
experience for me.,
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and that made me go,
"holy fucking shit,
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"this is... wow."
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I was reading books,
going to lectures,
and going to things...
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Different events
at the mission... at the local
Santa Clara mission.
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And then I knew
i wanted to join the sea org
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and get really involved
as soon as I could,
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which would
be right out of high school.
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Sea org
is the most fraternal order
of the organization.
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It's people who really,
really believe in the cause
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and sign
a billion-year contract,
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which I did when I was...
You know, as soon as I could.
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I left skid marks getting
to that billion-year contract.
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You thought
you were doing something good,
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to have a positive effect
on all of mankind.
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That's what Howard says.
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Everything you do for endless
trillions of years
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depends on what you do
here and now within
scientology.
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I began to ask this question,
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"what is man?"
And I found, oddly enough,
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that nobody could tell me
what man was.
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What did he consist of?
Where was he going?
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What was he doing?
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To really know life,
you've got to be part of life.
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You must get down and look.
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You must get into
the nooks and crannies
of existence,
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the... you have to rub elbows
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with all kinds and types of men
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before you can finally
establish what he is.
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And you in fact did this?
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Yes, I've slept
with bandits in Mongolia,
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and I've hunted with, uh,
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pygmies in the Philippines.
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Matter of fact,
I've studied 21 different
primitive races,
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including the white race.
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And my conclusions were
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that man is a spiritual being
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that was pulled down
to the material,
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the fleshly interests,
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to an interplay in life
that was, in fact,
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too great for him to confront.
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And I concluded, finally,
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that he needed a hand.
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To understand scientology,
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you have to understand
the life and mind
of its inventor,
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l. Ron Hubbard.
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Hubbard was a prolific writer.
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He actually holds
the "guinness book
of world records"
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for the number of books
published...
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More than 1,000.
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Hubbard got his start
in the depression writing
Pulp Fiction,
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named for the cheap paper used.
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Writers were paid
a penny a word,
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so hey had to write a lot
to make money.
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Hubbard hammered away so fast
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on long rolls of butcher paper
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that he used to drop sweat
on his typewriter.
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Hubbard's career took off
when he began to write
for a magazine
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called "astounding
science fiction."
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Along with authors
like Isaac Asimov
and Robert Heinlein,
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Hubbard wrote stories
with a sense of mission...
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To get man to the stars.
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He found his true mã©tier
in science fiction.
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And a lot of what scientology is
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he had previously written about
in the form
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of his science fiction.
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He had the ability
to fabricate these
amazing tales,
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and he transported
those imaginary stories
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into his theology.
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After Pearl Harbor,
Hubbard took command
of a sub chaser,
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but he was still a man
prone to invention.
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He would write that he sunk
two Japanese subs,
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but, in fact,
just off the coast of Oregon,
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he opened fire on what
turned out to be a log
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and dropped most of
his depth chargers
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on underwater magnetic rocks.
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When he accidentally shelled
a Mexican island,
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he was relieved of his command.
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After the war,
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Hubbard ended up in Los Angeles
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where he settled in
with a small group
of seekers and visionaries.
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A guy named Jack Parsons,
a fascinating man,
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was one of the founders
of the jet-propulsion
laboratory.
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And there's actually
a crater on the moon
named after Jack.
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He was a significant
scientific figure,
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but he was also the head honcho
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in this black magic cult.
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It was called the o.T.O.,
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or the ordo templi orientis.
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They followed the teachings
of aleister crowley,
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a famous sexual magic figure
in england.
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Parsons had a mansion
in Pasadena.
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They would have ceremonies,
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and they were seeking
some sort of goddess figure
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that he could impregnate
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in order to create
the antichrist.
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Hubbard moved in
and became Parsons' assistant.
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One night,
this beautiful redhead
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named Marjorie Cameron
showed up at the door.
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She was perfectly
willing to engage
in this sexual ritual
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in order, supposedly,
to produce the antichrist.
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She and Jack
eventually got married.
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That happened after Hubbard
ran off with Jack's girlfriend,
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Sara Northrup.
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Scientology and Hubbard
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would later refuse
to acknowledge
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his relationship with Sara.
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But we uncovered
Sara's own recollections
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of her time with Hubbard.
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He was 13 years older
than I was.
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I thought
he was a great war hero,
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a captain of a ship
that had been downed
in the pacific.
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And he was weeks on a raft,
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and he'd been blinded
by the sun,
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and his back had been broken.
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All these things
were complete lies,
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but I didn't know it
at the time.
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I believed every word of it.
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If only Sara had seen
Hubbard's military records.
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In a 900-page file,
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Hubbard's activities are laid
out in extraordinary detail.
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Hubbard told people
that he had been blinded
and crippled
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during the war,
and the practices
that would form
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the basis of scientology
had cured him.
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But his records show
that his only wounds
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were mild arthritis
and conjunctivitis.
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We had this terrible fight,
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and he told me he was going
to commit suicide
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if I didn't marry him.
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I really believed him,
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so we got married.
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We spent the winter
in that lighthouse on the lake
in the poconos.
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I remember one awful night,
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when I was asleep
and he was out typing...
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And he hit me
across the side of the head
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with a .45...
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Because I was smiling
in my sleep,
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and he said I was thinking
about somebody else.
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I got up, left the house,
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and walked
on the ice of the lake.
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I was terrified.
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He always said
that he would kill me
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rather than let me leave him.
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The only good thing
i got from Ron
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was my baby.
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We moved
to Elizabeth, New Jersey,
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and he started
writing "dianetics."
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The book was conceived
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and he started
working on it in 1950.
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He said many times
that the only way to make
any real money
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was to have a religion.
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That's essentially
what he was trying to do
with "dianetics"...
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Get a religion where
he could have an income
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and the government wouldn't
take it away from him
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in the form of taxes.
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"Dianetics" was
an immense success.
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From the moment
it was published in 1950,
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it swept through America
and other countries
around the world.
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This book...
That's the background
of all of this.
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That's what started
all the trouble.
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We expected this to sell
about 6,000 copies,
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and it hit the top
of the bestseller list
of "the New York times"
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and just stayed there,
month in, month out.
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It was like
i started an avalanche.
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The modern science
of mental health"
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is considered to be
the fundamental text,
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which is the foundation
upon which all else is built.
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One of the theories
of "dianetics"
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is to discover these things
that are very traumatic
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or have been very upsetting
to you,
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and if you can observe
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exactly what happened,
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the power of that incident
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to influence you today
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is removed.
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The concept of "dianetics"
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is that you have
two sides of your mind.
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There is the analytical side,
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which is a perfect computer.
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It remembers everything.
It's flawless.
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It never makes a mistake.
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And then there's
a reactive side.
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And this is where
all your neuroses, anxieties,
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and fears are stored.
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And where do they come from?
They come from engrams.
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An engram is like a memory.
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A man has
an automobile accident.
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He has a picture
of an automobile accident.
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He has all the sensations
of having been hurt
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in the automobile accident.
It takes him a long time
to recover,
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because he's still wearing
the automobile accident.
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If you said,
"hey, why don't you take
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"this automobile accident
and throw it away?"
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Well, all of a sudden,
he recovers
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from the automobile accident,
naturally,
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because the thing that's
keeping it impressed upon him
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and his body is his mind.
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An auditor is a practitioner
in scientology.
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He listens and he computes.
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We have a meter.
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A meter simply shows
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where an individual
is aberrated.
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The e-meter is
a very powerful instrument.
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It's one-third
of a lie detector.
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A lie detector would also
measure your respiration
and pulse.
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There's two cans
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and there's electrical wires
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carrying an undetectable
amount of current
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into a meter
with a needle on it.
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According to the church
of scientology,
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it actually detects
the mass of your thoughts,
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although there's no evidence
that thoughts have mass.
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The current
passes through your body,
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and as your mental mass
increases,
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so does the resistance
to the circuit.
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So the auditor will
ask you a question,
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"tell me about
an upset with your mother."
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00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:09,146
"What's truly bothering you
about being with, you know,
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"with your wife's behavior?
What is it?"
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"Why are you upset today?"
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"Well, I had a fight
with my wife."
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00:19:15,566 --> 00:19:17,286
"Well, I can see."
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00:19:17,326 --> 00:19:19,206
"That there...
Was that the same thought?"
386
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"Say that again."
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And gradually, the needle
will have less response.
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And in that manner,
you discharge the emotion.
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Then you're asked to go back
to earlier incidents
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that were like that.
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And you might say,
"well, my mother spoke to me
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"in the same
scolding tone of voice."
393
00:19:37,345 --> 00:19:39,505
And you recount that story,
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and eventually,
you discharge the emotion.
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And that's very much
like freudian therapy.
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But with scientology,
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then they'll ask further.
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"Well, that's as far back
as I go."
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Well, maybe not.
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The auditor might say,
"something just registered
on the meter.
401
00:19:59,785 --> 00:20:01,284
"What was that?"
402
00:20:01,314 --> 00:20:03,644
"I had an image
in my mind."
403
00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,364
"Well, what was the image?"
404
00:20:05,414 --> 00:20:07,084
"It was a barn."
405
00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:09,624
"Are you inside the barn?
Go back to that image.
406
00:20:09,654 --> 00:20:12,503
"Okay, open the door.
What do you see?"
407
00:20:12,543 --> 00:20:16,594
"Well, it looks like
19th century France."
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00:20:18,764 --> 00:20:21,134
You walk outside and you see
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00:20:21,164 --> 00:20:23,804
the people dressed
in their costumes,
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00:20:23,884 --> 00:20:26,853
and the e-meter is
saying this is real.
411
00:20:26,893 --> 00:20:28,503
This is a real memory.
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00:20:28,523 --> 00:20:32,143
It's just as real
as those other memories
that you had.
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00:20:33,693 --> 00:20:36,393
Beautiful little soft needle,
and everything's good.
414
00:20:36,453 --> 00:20:40,533
Needle's rising, which means
he's getting, you know,
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00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,403
thinking a lot.
The needle just, like,
goes "pfft,"
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like a lot of shit blows away.
417
00:20:45,523 --> 00:20:49,412
The theta bop,
which is a very quick little
thing like, "doo doo doo,"
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00:20:49,462 --> 00:20:51,662
which means exteriorization.
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00:20:53,212 --> 00:20:56,803
When you come out
of an auditing session,
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00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:59,423
you feel euphoric.
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00:20:59,473 --> 00:21:03,052
That confessional nature
makes you feel better.
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00:21:03,092 --> 00:21:05,762
Somebody would say,
"oh, you're going
to have a session."
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00:21:05,812 --> 00:21:07,762
I would feel better
just hearing that.
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00:21:07,812 --> 00:21:10,882
Man is asleep.
425
00:21:10,902 --> 00:21:13,051
He is hypnotized.
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00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:16,321
Now in scientology,
reverse the process,
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00:21:16,351 --> 00:21:18,822
and you'll make him wake up.
428
00:21:18,852 --> 00:21:21,572
Such a man
becomes un-brainwashed,
you might say.
429
00:21:21,612 --> 00:21:23,321
He becomes unhypnotized.
430
00:21:23,361 --> 00:21:25,391
This sounds, Mr. Hubbard,
in a sense,
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00:21:25,411 --> 00:21:28,951
like an extension
of psychology
or psychiatry.
432
00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:32,581
Oh, no, psychiatry
has to do with the insane,
433
00:21:32,621 --> 00:21:35,540
and we have nothing to do
with the insane whatsoever.
434
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:37,840
Is this is a form
of psychoanalysis?
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00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:39,921
No, psychoanalysis,
they lay back and...
436
00:21:39,961 --> 00:21:43,511
Don't associate scientology
with such people.
437
00:21:43,551 --> 00:21:46,930
That's terrible.
That's bad manners, you know?
438
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:50,600
When l. Ron Hubbard
first wrote "dianetics,"
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00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,300
he thought it was
a tremendous psychological
breakthrough,
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00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,720
so much so
that he would be recognized.
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00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,780
He wrote letters to
the American psychological
association.
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00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:05,600
They couldn't make heads
or tail of his ideas.
443
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:07,780
To them, it was like
psychological folk art.
444
00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:11,319
For instance,
he would talk about "clear."
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00:22:11,369 --> 00:22:13,989
That means that the individual
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00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:16,129
has erased his reactive mind...
447
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:18,499
His unconscious mind is gone...
448
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:20,799
And he is totally alert
449
00:22:20,829 --> 00:22:22,799
and totally capable.
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00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,119
Once you've taken away
all these traumatic memories,
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00:22:26,139 --> 00:22:28,759
from this life
and previous ones,
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00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:30,259
then you are clear.
453
00:22:30,289 --> 00:22:33,089
Someone who had
a perfect memory,
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00:22:33,129 --> 00:22:35,978
who was never ill.
455
00:22:36,008 --> 00:22:37,728
Your eyesight would be better.
456
00:22:37,768 --> 00:22:39,928
We tested people
before scientology processing
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00:22:39,968 --> 00:22:41,768
and after
scientology processing,
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00:22:41,798 --> 00:22:44,489
and uniformly found
that their IQ had raised.
459
00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:46,568
We are making such individuals,
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00:22:46,608 --> 00:22:50,278
we're making them regularly,
and we're making
them routinely.
461
00:22:52,278 --> 00:22:55,078
An overt act
is an effort to individuate.
462
00:22:55,118 --> 00:22:57,827
It is a withhold of oneself...
463
00:22:57,867 --> 00:22:59,817
Ron gave lectures everywhere
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00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:03,838
for large amounts of money,
and money just started
pouring in.
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00:23:03,878 --> 00:23:06,128
I mean, these people were paying
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00:23:06,158 --> 00:23:09,178
$500 apiece in the 1950s
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00:23:09,208 --> 00:23:11,177
for training
in "dianetics."
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00:23:11,217 --> 00:23:13,927
I felt that he was stealing
from people
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00:23:13,967 --> 00:23:16,187
and that he was
hoodwinking them.
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00:23:16,217 --> 00:23:19,187
All the business of sitting,
holding hands,
471
00:23:19,217 --> 00:23:22,506
and putting
all these false memories
into people's minds...
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00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,897
Then they would finally
come along and say,
473
00:23:24,947 --> 00:23:27,857
"oh, yes,
i can remember it all."
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00:23:31,817 --> 00:23:34,686
We were surrounded
by sycophants.
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00:23:34,706 --> 00:23:38,536
He began to believe
that he was a savior and hero,
476
00:23:38,576 --> 00:23:42,046
that he really was
this God figure.
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00:23:44,866 --> 00:23:46,626
He was absolutely convinced
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00:23:46,666 --> 00:23:50,336
that he had the cure
for the psychological ills
of mankind,
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00:23:50,366 --> 00:23:54,036
and that the only reason
that it wasn't being propagated
far and wide
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00:23:54,076 --> 00:23:56,706
was that the medical profession
had a vested interest
481
00:23:56,726 --> 00:23:59,175
in keeping people sick.
482
00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:01,175
I think he was afraid
that some psychiatrists
483
00:24:01,215 --> 00:24:03,645
would pop him
into an institution.
484
00:24:03,685 --> 00:24:07,936
He degenerated into
a really paranoid,
485
00:24:07,986 --> 00:24:10,715
terrifying person.
486
00:24:10,735 --> 00:24:12,775
Sara threatened to leave Hubbard
487
00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:14,405
unless he got psychiatric help.
488
00:24:14,445 --> 00:24:17,225
He responded
by kidnapping their baby
489
00:24:17,245 --> 00:24:19,245
and taking her to Cuba.
490
00:24:19,275 --> 00:24:21,834
He was incapable
of taking care of her,
491
00:24:21,864 --> 00:24:25,004
so he put her in the charge
of a mother and daughter
492
00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:27,114
who were both mentally retarded.
493
00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:29,505
And they apparently kept her
in some kind of cage.
494
00:24:29,545 --> 00:24:33,504
He called me and told me
that he had killed her.
495
00:24:33,544 --> 00:24:36,244
He said he had cut her
into little pieces
496
00:24:36,284 --> 00:24:38,014
and dropped the pieces
in a river,
497
00:24:38,044 --> 00:24:40,134
and it was my fault.
498
00:24:40,184 --> 00:24:43,134
Then he'd call me back
and say that she
was still alive.
499
00:24:43,184 --> 00:24:46,273
And this went on and on and on.
500
00:24:46,303 --> 00:24:49,103
When Hubbard came back
to the U.S.,
501
00:24:49,143 --> 00:24:51,444
Sara persuaded him
to agree to a divorce
502
00:24:51,474 --> 00:24:53,724
and give her custody
of their daughter.
503
00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:55,694
When I left him, he cleaned out
504
00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,143
all the joint bank accounts
505
00:24:57,203 --> 00:25:00,283
so that I wouldn't
have any money.
506
00:25:00,373 --> 00:25:03,483
Hubbard soon lost
all his money, too.
507
00:25:03,543 --> 00:25:06,793
"Dianetics" proved
to be a passing fad,
like the hula hoop.
508
00:25:06,823 --> 00:25:09,462
But Hubbard still had
his imagination.
509
00:25:09,492 --> 00:25:11,743
So he repackaged the ideas
of "dianetics"
510
00:25:11,783 --> 00:25:14,333
into a religion
called scientology.
511
00:25:16,333 --> 00:25:18,633
Hubbard added more science
and more structure.
512
00:25:18,673 --> 00:25:21,422
Along with the e-meters
came a payment plan.
513
00:25:21,452 --> 00:25:25,262
Every step to "clear"
had a price tag.
514
00:25:25,312 --> 00:25:27,722
How would you describe
your business model?
515
00:25:27,762 --> 00:25:31,012
Rapacious.
516
00:25:31,062 --> 00:25:33,402
It's all about making money.
517
00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,402
Hubbard, from the beginning,
knew that
518
00:25:36,442 --> 00:25:39,842
people would pay
for this counseling
at a pretty good clip,
519
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:43,661
and so he continued
to come out with more
and more levels.
520
00:25:43,691 --> 00:25:47,581
The real money
was in paying for these
higher and higher courses.
521
00:25:47,611 --> 00:25:49,611
They were getting
into thousands of dollars.
522
00:25:49,651 --> 00:25:51,921
Those prices
kept going up and up.
523
00:25:51,951 --> 00:25:54,702
That's really
where scientology begins
524
00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:56,791
to create this indoctrination,
525
00:25:56,821 --> 00:25:58,661
is, "it's Hubbard
that came up with that,
526
00:25:58,671 --> 00:26:01,171
"only Hubbard,
and you have to
be a part of our group
527
00:26:01,211 --> 00:26:04,631
"to get
that spiritual satisfaction
you were looking for."
528
00:26:04,681 --> 00:26:06,501
The Hubbard college
of scientology,
529
00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:09,970
qualifications division,
department of certifications
and awards
530
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840
does hereby certify
that Anthony a. Phillips
531
00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:15,141
has obtained the state of clear.
532
00:26:17,061 --> 00:26:20,280
As more members
paid for Hubbard's bridge
to total freedom,
533
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:23,900
the church's coffers
swelled with hundreds
of millions of dollars.
534
00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:26,850
From the beginning,
Hubbard tried to shelter
that revenue
535
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:28,740
from any government taxes.
536
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:30,819
The founding church
of scientology
537
00:26:30,859 --> 00:26:34,289
attempted in 1967 to get
a court determination
538
00:26:34,329 --> 00:26:36,660
that it was exempt
from federal taxation
539
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,200
on the basis
that it was a nonprofit
religious organization.
540
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:43,379
A federal court denied
the founding church
tax exemption,
541
00:26:43,419 --> 00:26:47,869
saying that some
of the church's earnings
from 1955 to 1959
542
00:26:47,889 --> 00:26:51,809
were used for
the personal benefit
of private individuals...
543
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,209
L. Ron Hubbard
and family.
544
00:26:54,229 --> 00:26:58,349
"Abc news" has repeatedly
requested interviews
with Mr. Hubbard.
545
00:26:58,379 --> 00:27:00,849
We have been told
that he is unavailable.
546
00:27:17,468 --> 00:27:20,068
It was very exciting.
547
00:27:20,108 --> 00:27:24,458
It was that heady mix
of emotion and belief,
548
00:27:24,508 --> 00:27:27,678
and it's...
You get stuck to it.
549
00:27:27,708 --> 00:27:31,717
It's so strong
that it sticks you like glue,
550
00:27:31,747 --> 00:27:33,977
and there's no way
you can get away from it.
551
00:27:35,047 --> 00:27:37,147
I was deeply convinced
552
00:27:37,187 --> 00:27:39,588
that we were going
to save the world.
553
00:27:39,618 --> 00:27:44,137
I considered myself
tremendously fortunate
554
00:27:44,197 --> 00:27:46,227
to be in that position.
555
00:27:47,777 --> 00:27:50,267
Out of the blue one day,
556
00:27:50,287 --> 00:27:52,147
I received this envelope
557
00:27:52,197 --> 00:27:55,606
with an invitation
to join the sea project.
558
00:27:55,616 --> 00:27:58,136
It was completely confidential.
559
00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,907
I wasn't to tell anyone
about it,
560
00:28:00,947 --> 00:28:04,627
and I was so ecstatic.
561
00:28:04,667 --> 00:28:07,466
Here was a chance
to work with Hubbard.
562
00:28:07,496 --> 00:28:09,996
And I signed, "yes!"
563
00:28:10,056 --> 00:28:14,116
I was on my way
to the greatest adventure
in my life.
564
00:28:14,136 --> 00:28:19,005
We had an overnight flight
to Las Palmas in
the Canary Islands,
565
00:28:19,055 --> 00:28:22,766
where we found,
at about 6:00 in the morning,
566
00:28:22,796 --> 00:28:26,066
we were taxied down to a dock.
567
00:28:26,096 --> 00:28:28,816
We had to climb up
this rickety ladder,
568
00:28:28,856 --> 00:28:31,105
all the way up to the ship,
569
00:28:31,135 --> 00:28:33,605
and we couldn't believe
this was where we were going.
570
00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:36,945
This ship was a rusty hulk.
571
00:28:36,975 --> 00:28:40,445
I was given a dirty
old jumpsuit to get into,
572
00:28:40,485 --> 00:28:44,245
missing one arm
and the other one was
almost half torn off,
573
00:28:44,285 --> 00:28:48,455
and put to work.
We had to scrub the ship
and clean out the ship,
574
00:28:48,485 --> 00:28:52,095
which was arduous,
strenuous work,
575
00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,794
in the heat.
576
00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,014
Hubbard came
to the ship every day,
577
00:28:56,044 --> 00:29:00,134
smoking cigarettes
and surveying his kingdom.
578
00:29:00,184 --> 00:29:02,834
After dinner,
he'd come and join us
579
00:29:02,854 --> 00:29:05,054
on the well deck.
580
00:29:05,104 --> 00:29:07,334
There he was, you know,
right amongst us,
581
00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,144
talking to us.
582
00:29:09,174 --> 00:29:12,894
He would be
his most magnificent self
583
00:29:12,944 --> 00:29:15,284
at those times.
584
00:29:15,314 --> 00:29:18,853
He'd lean back,
he'd look up at the cosmos,
585
00:29:18,863 --> 00:29:22,233
and he'd point out galaxies
586
00:29:22,283 --> 00:29:24,123
and constellations,
587
00:29:24,153 --> 00:29:27,044
and he'd say,
"the fifth invaders
are up there,
588
00:29:27,074 --> 00:29:29,963
"and this is how they dressed
and this is how they talk.
589
00:29:29,993 --> 00:29:32,583
"And see that blip
across the sky over there?"
590
00:29:32,633 --> 00:29:36,533
He'd point it out,
and we were all,
"yes, we see it, we see it."
591
00:29:36,553 --> 00:29:38,883
He'd say, "and that's one
of their space vessels..."
592
00:29:38,923 --> 00:29:42,372
And there was... the fourth
invader force was here.
593
00:29:42,392 --> 00:29:45,092
The fifth invader force came in.
594
00:29:45,142 --> 00:29:49,093
And the name
of this solar system
is space station 33.
595
00:29:49,143 --> 00:29:51,812
The fourth invader force
had been there
596
00:29:51,852 --> 00:29:54,102
for God knows how many
skillion years,
597
00:29:54,152 --> 00:29:55,572
had been sitting down...
598
00:29:55,652 --> 00:29:57,932
And we'd sit there, spellbound.
599
00:29:57,992 --> 00:30:01,272
You could hear a pin drop
on that ship.
600
00:30:01,322 --> 00:30:05,991
He had us emotionally
captured and held
601
00:30:06,031 --> 00:30:09,582
right there
in the palm of his hand
where he wanted us.
602
00:30:09,612 --> 00:30:11,872
He had us right there.
603
00:30:13,842 --> 00:30:15,501
In the early '60s,
604
00:30:15,541 --> 00:30:18,201
Hubbard was
under investigation
in various countries.
605
00:30:18,241 --> 00:30:21,171
His solution was to take
to the high seas.
606
00:30:21,211 --> 00:30:24,341
He made himself commodore
of a fleet of three ships,
607
00:30:24,381 --> 00:30:26,281
a scientology Navy.
608
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,101
To crew the vessels,
609
00:30:29,131 --> 00:30:30,751
he created the sea organization.
610
00:30:30,771 --> 00:30:33,051
The members of
this so-called sea org
611
00:30:33,091 --> 00:30:35,471
would become
the church's clergy.
612
00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:38,221
They began going
from port to port
613
00:30:38,261 --> 00:30:41,140
in the mediterranean,
show up for a few days,
614
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,610
and then go off... sail off
in some other direction.
615
00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:46,100
And a very enterprising reporter
616
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,270
for Grenada television
in britain
617
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:49,601
tracked him down...
618
00:30:49,621 --> 00:30:51,370
Slate one, take one.
619
00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:53,410
That's one
of the very few instances
620
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,410
where Hubbard has actually
appeared on camera.
621
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:59,630
What are you actually doing
622
00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:01,500
on this ship now?
623
00:31:01,550 --> 00:31:04,619
I am studying
ancient civilizations,
624
00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:08,049
trying to find
what happened to them,
625
00:31:08,089 --> 00:31:10,589
finding out why they went...
626
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:14,290
Into a decline, why they died.
627
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:18,309
Hubbard believed that
he had lived various lives
628
00:31:18,349 --> 00:31:22,319
in the mediterranean area
as a venetian prince,
629
00:31:22,349 --> 00:31:24,649
as an Italian prince.
630
00:31:24,689 --> 00:31:26,518
As a matter of fact,
it's quite interesting
631
00:31:26,578 --> 00:31:29,308
that exercises can be conducted,
632
00:31:29,328 --> 00:31:32,159
which demonstrate conclusively
that there are memories
633
00:31:32,199 --> 00:31:34,279
which exist prior to this life.
634
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,749
He had buried treasure
all around the coastline,
635
00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:42,338
and he wanted to go find
all these caches of treasure.
636
00:31:42,368 --> 00:31:45,628
We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
637
00:31:45,658 --> 00:31:48,998
Whatever was his whim, we did.
638
00:31:49,028 --> 00:31:50,957
We would have died
for the old man.
639
00:31:52,267 --> 00:31:53,668
Don't you wake up sometimes
640
00:31:53,688 --> 00:31:56,298
in the middle of the night
and think to yourself,
641
00:31:56,338 --> 00:31:58,638
"well, I've been on this ship
with a whole lot
642
00:31:58,668 --> 00:32:01,168
"of scientologists
who believe I'm fantastic..."
643
00:32:01,188 --> 00:32:03,107
They don't believe
I'm fantastic.
644
00:32:03,137 --> 00:32:07,857
If you saw the number of times
they don't follow my orders...
645
00:32:08,947 --> 00:32:11,677
Lrh started to devise
646
00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:14,617
a system of penalties
or punishments
647
00:32:14,657 --> 00:32:16,237
or what he called ethics.
648
00:32:16,287 --> 00:32:19,157
And one of the penalties
for the auditors
649
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:21,377
making mistakes
in their auditing sessions
650
00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:23,577
was to be tossed overboard.
651
00:32:23,627 --> 00:32:26,246
"You have done such and such
and such and such,
652
00:32:26,296 --> 00:32:28,886
"and we commit your errors
to the deep."
653
00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:32,166
And then just pushed overboard.
654
00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:35,387
30 feet, 35 feet,
655
00:32:53,025 --> 00:32:56,395
do you ever think that
you might be quite mad?
656
00:32:56,405 --> 00:32:58,726
Oh, yes!
657
00:32:58,746 --> 00:33:02,165
The one man in the world
who never believes he's mad
658
00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,415
is the madman.
659
00:33:23,455 --> 00:33:26,454
So we got married a year
and a half after we joined
660
00:33:26,484 --> 00:33:29,054
and moved to California.
I wanted to be a writer,
661
00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:31,454
and my wife...
She was studying scientology.
662
00:33:31,494 --> 00:33:33,994
We had a baby right away,
and the only people
663
00:33:34,034 --> 00:33:36,094
we knew there
were scientologists.
664
00:33:36,134 --> 00:33:38,733
I was working
as a furniture mover
during the day
665
00:33:38,763 --> 00:33:41,434
and writing spec scripts
at night.
666
00:33:41,474 --> 00:33:44,104
Then on the weekends, I'd be,
you know, doing some auditing.
667
00:33:44,124 --> 00:33:45,904
Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
668
00:33:45,954 --> 00:33:47,274
There was
a social aspect to it too.
669
00:33:47,294 --> 00:33:48,743
You got to hang out with people.
670
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:51,773
And there were some
interesting people,
nice people.
671
00:33:51,793 --> 00:33:54,074
These are all people
who are looking to improve
their life.
672
00:34:16,272 --> 00:34:18,742
While Hubbard was hiding
from public view,
673
00:34:18,772 --> 00:34:21,803
he was very active
in directing the operations
of the church,
674
00:34:21,823 --> 00:34:23,942
particularly in Hollywood.
675
00:34:23,982 --> 00:34:26,442
This was just after
the haight-ashbury era.
676
00:34:26,482 --> 00:34:29,112
And what scientology
was selling itself is,
677
00:34:29,152 --> 00:34:31,582
"get high
without drugs."
678
00:34:31,622 --> 00:34:34,832
It was a place
where people went
and explored ideas,
679
00:34:34,872 --> 00:34:37,671
and you would often see
famous people...
680
00:34:37,711 --> 00:34:40,961
Leonard Cohen,
members of the grateful dead,
681
00:34:40,991 --> 00:34:42,712
rock Hudson.
682
00:34:42,762 --> 00:34:45,382
So they built
the celebrity centre.
683
00:34:45,432 --> 00:34:49,001
The idea was to draw in
these famous entertainers
684
00:34:49,021 --> 00:34:53,101
and use them as pitchmen
for the religion.
685
00:34:53,141 --> 00:34:54,941
In an industry like Hollywood,
686
00:34:54,971 --> 00:34:58,641
where stardom is such...
Such an illusive quality,
687
00:34:58,681 --> 00:35:02,710
scientology would offer
a route to maybe feel
a little bit more secure.
688
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:05,821
And when you're
trying to break in,
you're also dealing with
689
00:35:05,851 --> 00:35:07,531
relentless rejection.
690
00:35:07,571 --> 00:35:09,451
And something
that helps you stay focused
691
00:35:09,491 --> 00:35:12,040
and feel that
you're improving yourself
692
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:15,580
and becoming more clear,
you can see the appeal of that.
693
00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:20,410
The beliefs and practices
that I have studied
in scientology
694
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:23,249
have been invaluable to me.
695
00:35:23,299 --> 00:35:25,330
Have you ever met Ron Hubbard?
696
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:29,170
I'd love to.
I'd be honored, because
i think he's so brilliant.
697
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:35,179
So when I worked
at the celebrity centre,
698
00:35:35,209 --> 00:35:38,509
I would just, you know,
recruit various people.
699
00:35:38,549 --> 00:35:42,649
Like Priscilla Presley
and of course John Travolta.
700
00:35:42,689 --> 00:35:45,769
Johnny... he came,
he started on course,
701
00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:48,359
and he was so fun
and outrageous.
702
00:35:48,389 --> 00:35:51,629
And he just made a party
wherever he was.
703
00:35:51,659 --> 00:35:53,909
John Travolta was a young actor
704
00:35:53,949 --> 00:35:57,229
in his very first movie.
705
00:35:57,249 --> 00:35:59,588
He was a troubled young man,
706
00:35:59,618 --> 00:36:01,088
and he was looking for help.
707
00:36:01,118 --> 00:36:05,118
A fellow actor gave him
a little bit of scientology
counseling.
708
00:36:05,178 --> 00:36:06,928
She gave him a copy
of "dianetics,"
709
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:09,209
and he was transported by this.
710
00:36:09,249 --> 00:36:10,578
He would go out
on his auditions,
711
00:36:10,598 --> 00:36:12,078
and no matter
what he went out for,
712
00:36:12,098 --> 00:36:14,928
he would get it.
713
00:36:14,968 --> 00:36:17,268
A band-aid commercial,
right away he booked that.
714
00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:18,768
Now the army starts you...
715
00:36:18,808 --> 00:36:20,308
He was booking everything,
716
00:36:20,358 --> 00:36:22,607
and then he went up
for a series.
717
00:36:22,637 --> 00:36:24,107
Of course, he books it.
718
00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:26,647
And it's a big series...
"Welcome back, kotter."
719
00:36:26,697 --> 00:36:28,448
Up your nose with a rubber hose!
720
00:36:30,448 --> 00:36:32,448
In the late '70s and early '80s,
721
00:36:32,488 --> 00:36:36,137
John Travolta
was scientology's
biggest star.
722
00:36:36,167 --> 00:36:40,037
Spanky was assigned to be
travolta’s key contact
with the church,
723
00:36:40,077 --> 00:36:43,677
and she helped out
with producers, fans,
and the press.
724
00:36:43,717 --> 00:36:46,816
They became close,
and when spanky got married,
725
00:36:46,846 --> 00:36:48,546
Travolta was there.
726
00:36:48,586 --> 00:36:51,487
When Johnny first
got into scientology,
727
00:36:51,517 --> 00:36:53,637
he didn't even believe in
himself that much.
728
00:36:53,677 --> 00:36:56,227
But he got injected
with a lot of confidence,
729
00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,636
and then you get
this phobia inducement
730
00:36:58,676 --> 00:37:01,756
that "if I leave,
it's all going to go
down the tubes."
731
00:37:01,796 --> 00:37:03,846
When you're in the organization,
732
00:37:03,896 --> 00:37:06,066
all the good that happens to you
733
00:37:06,096 --> 00:37:07,796
is because of scientology,
734
00:37:07,816 --> 00:37:10,856
and everything that doesn't,
that isn't good, is your fault.
735
00:37:12,406 --> 00:37:15,636
They sell it all
in the beginning as something
quite logical.
736
00:37:15,656 --> 00:37:18,276
Everything makes sense.
737
00:37:18,316 --> 00:37:20,746
And you're going up
what they call the bridge,
738
00:37:20,786 --> 00:37:22,865
you're dong this auditing,
and this is good.
739
00:37:22,915 --> 00:37:25,085
And the next one,
well, it's not quite as good.
740
00:37:25,115 --> 00:37:27,955
It didn't quite make sense
to you, but...
741
00:37:27,985 --> 00:37:30,785
You know, you've already
paid for the next one,
so you'll do that one.
742
00:37:32,845 --> 00:37:35,655
The bridge...
It's a metaphor.
743
00:37:35,675 --> 00:37:38,165
You start here
at the bottom of the bridge
744
00:37:38,185 --> 00:37:40,015
and then you go to the top,
so where it is...
745
00:37:40,045 --> 00:37:42,185
It's an awareness scale.
746
00:37:42,215 --> 00:37:45,464
You start down here
and you're not aware
of anything,
747
00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:48,024
then you go up here
and you're a lot more aware
748
00:37:48,054 --> 00:37:50,694
of who you are,
749
00:37:50,724 --> 00:37:55,145
your spirituality,
your relationship to others.
750
00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:58,314
A person is supposed to
become more able
751
00:37:58,354 --> 00:38:00,064
as they go up the bridge.
752
00:38:00,114 --> 00:38:04,184
And then there are
the ot levels...
753
00:38:04,204 --> 00:38:05,874
Operating thetan.
754
00:38:05,904 --> 00:38:08,024
And a thetan
is a spiritual being.
755
00:38:08,044 --> 00:38:10,523
That's the soul of the person.
756
00:38:10,543 --> 00:38:13,163
And what level, over time,
did you achieve?
757
00:38:13,193 --> 00:38:15,864
Ot eight.
That's the highest there is.
758
00:38:15,884 --> 00:38:18,384
You can't get any higher
than ot eight.
759
00:38:18,424 --> 00:38:20,223
From the beginning,
you hear these stories
760
00:38:20,253 --> 00:38:23,053
people tell of these abilities
they've been able to gain.
761
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:26,713
It was always talked about,
the people who were ot
could read your mind,
762
00:38:26,723 --> 00:38:29,313
and they could
move objects at will,
763
00:38:29,343 --> 00:38:33,352
and they could...
They were cause over matter,
energy, space, and time,
764
00:38:33,382 --> 00:38:36,233
so it sounded damn good to me.
765
00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:38,723
I mean, I thought,
"wow, this is great."
766
00:38:38,743 --> 00:38:42,943
I finally get to ot three,
767
00:38:42,993 --> 00:38:44,912
and they give me
the secret materials,
768
00:38:44,942 --> 00:38:46,612
which I've been hearing about
all this time.
769
00:38:46,662 --> 00:38:48,662
They're handwritten by Hubbard.
770
00:38:48,702 --> 00:38:51,252
You have to keep them
in a locked briefcase,
771
00:38:51,282 --> 00:38:53,332
be very cautious,
because they always said,
772
00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:55,372
"if this gets out,
it's dangerous to people.
773
00:38:55,402 --> 00:38:59,542
"It could actually
do them harm if they
are not adequately prepared."
774
00:39:00,842 --> 00:39:03,242
And I read it.
775
00:39:03,262 --> 00:39:05,542
And...
776
00:39:05,582 --> 00:39:07,761
It doesn't make any sense.
777
00:39:07,801 --> 00:39:10,721
This gobbled story
that didn't make sense.
778
00:39:10,771 --> 00:39:14,801
I remember for
one fleeting second thinking,
"maybe it's an insanity test.
779
00:39:14,861 --> 00:39:16,611
"Maybe if you believe this,
they kick you out.
780
00:39:16,641 --> 00:39:19,861
"You know, maybe that's it."
That, of course,
is not the case.
781
00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:23,201
They talk about, you know,
the fact that the earth
was created
782
00:39:23,231 --> 00:39:25,561
in such-and-such trillions
of years ago,
783
00:39:25,601 --> 00:39:28,821
and this guy...
Space guy...
784
00:39:28,871 --> 00:39:31,620
Galactic overlord...
This was a prison planet,
785
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:34,370
and people being
caught, captured,
786
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:36,080
and being brought
to planet earth...
787
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:39,501
And put them in volcanoes
and blowing them up
with a-bombs.
788
00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,301
Whoa!
789
00:39:41,331 --> 00:39:43,780
I studied geography in school.
790
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Those volcanoes didn't exist
75 million years ago.
791
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:50,290
And we have these lost souls
all over us
792
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:52,460
and we have
to get rid of them,
and I'm going,
793
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,349
"what... the fuck
are you talking about?
794
00:39:56,399 --> 00:39:58,979
"I mean, I'm down
for the self-help stuff.
795
00:39:59,019 --> 00:40:00,520
"I'm down for...
Okay, I can be clear.
796
00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:03,070
"I can get rid of
the negative emotions.
797
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,300
"But what the fuck is this?"
798
00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:10,409
When you get
to the upper levels
of scientology,
799
00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:12,499
the creation myth
is explained to you.
800
00:40:12,529 --> 00:40:17,029
The story is that
75 million years ago,
801
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:19,648
people lived in a world
very much like the world
802
00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:22,289
of America in the 1950s.
803
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:24,509
People, at that particular
time and space,
804
00:40:24,539 --> 00:40:26,959
were walking around
in clothes which looked
805
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,708
very remarkably like
the clothes they wear
in this very minute.
806
00:40:30,768 --> 00:40:34,328
And the cars they drove
looked exactly the same,
807
00:40:34,348 --> 00:40:37,888
and they walked down streets
that looked like these streets.
808
00:40:37,938 --> 00:40:40,308
It was a very similar world
809
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:41,638
and similar problems,
810
00:40:41,678 --> 00:40:43,978
one of which was overpopulation.
811
00:40:44,028 --> 00:40:45,728
They had elected a fellow
812
00:40:45,778 --> 00:40:48,678
by the name of xenu
to the supreme ruler.
813
00:40:48,698 --> 00:40:50,778
There was a tyrannical overlord
814
00:40:50,818 --> 00:40:53,518
of the galactic confederacy
named xenu.
815
00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:57,237
In order
to resolve this problem
of overpopulation,
816
00:40:57,287 --> 00:40:58,707
he called people in,
817
00:40:58,737 --> 00:41:01,207
ostensibly for tax audits,
818
00:41:01,247 --> 00:41:04,498
and had them frozen
with injections
819
00:41:04,528 --> 00:41:06,527
of glycol to their heart.
820
00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:09,167
Boxed them up in boxes,
threw 'em into space planes...
821
00:41:09,197 --> 00:41:12,087
DC-8 airplane
is the exact copy
822
00:41:12,137 --> 00:41:15,087
of the space plane of that day.
823
00:41:15,137 --> 00:41:19,176
They were flown to
the prison planet, teegeeack...
824
00:41:19,206 --> 00:41:20,676
It's actually
the planet earth...
825
00:41:20,706 --> 00:41:25,597
And these frozen bodies
were then dropped
into volcanoes.
826
00:41:25,687 --> 00:41:27,817
And then they set off
hydrogen bombs
827
00:41:27,857 --> 00:41:29,856
on the top of each volcano.
828
00:41:29,886 --> 00:41:32,156
And their disembodied spirits...
829
00:41:32,186 --> 00:41:33,986
These are called thetans...
830
00:41:34,026 --> 00:41:36,946
Floated out,
and they were captured
831
00:41:36,996 --> 00:41:40,116
and forced to sit
in front of movie screens.
832
00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:43,695
With a 3d, super colossal,
motion picture.
833
00:41:43,735 --> 00:41:45,745
They were shown images...
834
00:41:45,785 --> 00:41:48,036
Implants,
as Hubbard would have it.
835
00:41:48,086 --> 00:41:49,756
Every man is shown crucified,
836
00:41:49,786 --> 00:41:52,426
so is the psychiatrist
shown crucified.
837
00:41:52,456 --> 00:41:54,175
And that's how he gets away
with what he gets away with.
838
00:41:54,215 --> 00:41:57,375
He electric-shocks people.
839
00:41:57,435 --> 00:42:00,245
And when a child is born,
840
00:42:00,265 --> 00:42:03,635
a thetan will leap inside
the child's body
841
00:42:03,685 --> 00:42:07,085
at that very instant,
and it becomes like
the child's soul.
842
00:42:07,105 --> 00:42:10,445
More than one thetan
might crowd into the body...
843
00:42:10,475 --> 00:42:13,265
Hundreds, or thousands, might.
844
00:42:13,275 --> 00:42:15,315
They're the source
of all of our neurosis,
845
00:42:15,365 --> 00:42:16,864
fears, and anxieties.
846
00:42:18,904 --> 00:42:20,934
Then you are
on the e-meter,
847
00:42:20,954 --> 00:42:22,314
by yourself, now.
848
00:42:22,374 --> 00:42:23,784
You're soloing.
849
00:42:23,824 --> 00:42:27,204
You're supposed
to scan, mentally,
850
00:42:27,244 --> 00:42:29,624
from your top of your head
to your toes,
851
00:42:29,664 --> 00:42:33,714
to see if you can locate
any alien beings.
852
00:42:33,744 --> 00:42:37,114
And when you do,
you tell them to go away.
853
00:42:37,134 --> 00:42:40,783
I kept on trying to audit.
854
00:42:40,803 --> 00:42:45,143
I could not figure out
how I could have
855
00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:48,393
all these spirits
of dead people
attached to me,
856
00:42:48,433 --> 00:42:50,234
inside me, on me.
857
00:42:50,264 --> 00:42:52,293
I was clear.
858
00:42:52,313 --> 00:42:54,853
For God's sake, I was clear.
859
00:42:54,903 --> 00:42:57,023
People actually have breakdowns,
860
00:42:57,073 --> 00:42:58,483
you know, nervous breakdowns,
861
00:42:58,523 --> 00:43:01,023
because they spend
so much time thinking
862
00:43:01,073 --> 00:43:04,072
about being infested
by these creatures.
863
00:43:04,112 --> 00:43:08,282
If you're
really believing that,
it can drive you crazy.
864
00:43:19,592 --> 00:43:22,342
Those years of introspection
865
00:43:22,382 --> 00:43:26,132
eventually led me
to sincerely considering
866
00:43:26,162 --> 00:43:29,931
that I was so bad,
867
00:43:29,971 --> 00:43:34,472
that I couldn't confront
how bad I was.
868
00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:37,062
I didn't know it at the time,
869
00:43:37,112 --> 00:43:40,311
but a depression set in
that was with me for years,
870
00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:43,361
and the worst thing was
871
00:43:43,401 --> 00:43:47,571
that lrh kept ordering me
to more auditing.
872
00:43:47,621 --> 00:43:51,151
I had to find swords
that were stuck in me...
873
00:43:51,191 --> 00:43:53,291
Hypothetical swords,
874
00:43:53,321 --> 00:43:56,531
imaginary swords that
were causing all this pain.
875
00:43:56,541 --> 00:43:59,461
This auditing went on and on.
876
00:43:59,501 --> 00:44:01,251
It wasn't doing any good.
877
00:44:01,301 --> 00:44:03,700
I should have been left alone.
878
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,050
But everything
that I took offense with,
879
00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:09,810
I rationalized
almost immediately.
880
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,610
I had to.
881
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,510
I could not continue
in this game of scientology
882
00:44:15,550 --> 00:44:19,600
without explaining away
what he was doing.
883
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:24,150
It got to be a way of believing,
884
00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:28,409
and every one of us
got into that.
885
00:44:28,439 --> 00:44:32,409
It was part of the mind control.
886
00:44:32,449 --> 00:44:36,120
It was part of
the cultic manipulation.
887
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:39,449
He was the master
who did it to us,
888
00:44:39,499 --> 00:44:43,669
and we took it on
and then we did it
to ourselves.
889
00:44:43,709 --> 00:44:46,339
And I learned from it,
890
00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:49,549
that I would never ever again,
891
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,208
you know, go...
Do the bidding of a tyrant.
892
00:45:02,428 --> 00:45:05,788
Hubbard questioned
his own sanity
893
00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:08,898
and actually wrote a letter
to the veteran's administration
894
00:45:08,928 --> 00:45:10,768
asking for psychiatric help
895
00:45:10,788 --> 00:45:14,197
that he seems
never to have been given.
896
00:45:14,237 --> 00:45:18,288
I think
that his whole creation
of scientology
897
00:45:18,328 --> 00:45:20,608
really was a form
of self-therapy.
898
00:45:20,628 --> 00:45:23,798
If he were just a fraud,
then at some point,
899
00:45:23,828 --> 00:45:25,748
he would have
taken the money and run,
900
00:45:25,778 --> 00:45:27,167
but he never did that.
901
00:45:27,217 --> 00:45:29,967
He spent much of his day
on the e-meter,
902
00:45:29,997 --> 00:45:32,117
trying to understand
what was going on
903
00:45:32,137 --> 00:45:33,957
inside his own mind.
904
00:45:35,677 --> 00:45:37,587
Hubbard became
increasingly paranoid
905
00:45:37,627 --> 00:45:40,127
that a powerful thetan
had infected his body
906
00:45:40,147 --> 00:45:42,097
and that regular auditing
907
00:45:42,127 --> 00:45:44,847
wasn't strong enough
to make it leave.
908
00:45:44,897 --> 00:45:46,597
When Larry Wright
was researching his book,
909
00:45:46,637 --> 00:45:49,267
he videotaped an interview
with a scientologist
910
00:45:49,307 --> 00:45:52,656
who was asked
to help Hubbard
expel the thetan.
911
00:45:52,686 --> 00:45:55,106
He was having, uh, problems
912
00:45:55,146 --> 00:45:58,196
getting rid of a bt...
Body thetan...
913
00:45:58,246 --> 00:46:00,917
So he wanted me
to build a machine,
914
00:46:00,947 --> 00:46:03,446
and basically
blow the thetan away,
915
00:46:03,496 --> 00:46:04,866
just get him out of there.
916
00:46:04,916 --> 00:46:07,506
Blow him out.
And also kill the body.
917
00:46:09,876 --> 00:46:11,826
Basically, yeah.
Yeah.
918
00:46:13,295 --> 00:46:14,995
But I didn't want to kill him.
919
00:46:15,025 --> 00:46:16,895
I just wanted to scare him.
920
00:46:16,925 --> 00:46:21,015
So I had read some books
about Nikola tesla and stuff,
921
00:46:21,055 --> 00:46:23,356
and I figured maybe
buildin' a tesla coil
922
00:46:23,386 --> 00:46:26,105
would probably be
the best route to go.
923
00:46:27,775 --> 00:46:29,475
I had little electrodes
924
00:46:29,505 --> 00:46:31,395
that you hook it up
to the e-meter,
925
00:46:31,445 --> 00:46:32,505
so when he's on the cans,
926
00:46:32,525 --> 00:46:34,645
then, uh, he would
just flip the button,
927
00:46:34,685 --> 00:46:37,844
and it would do its thing.
928
00:46:41,034 --> 00:46:43,525
As far as I know.
He blew up my e-meter.
929
00:46:43,535 --> 00:46:45,205
Burned it up.
930
00:46:47,875 --> 00:46:50,544
Scientology really is a journey
931
00:46:50,574 --> 00:46:52,994
into the mind
of l. Ron Hubbard.
932
00:46:53,034 --> 00:46:56,214
And the further you get into it,
933
00:46:56,254 --> 00:46:59,554
the more like
l. Ron Hubbard
you become.
934
00:47:06,644 --> 00:47:10,184
Thank you.
935
00:47:10,234 --> 00:47:14,983
In 1980, lrh moved off the lines
936
00:47:15,023 --> 00:47:18,153
so that he could
continue his writings
937
00:47:18,193 --> 00:47:21,353
and researches
without any distractions.
938
00:47:23,943 --> 00:47:28,943
He has now moved on
to his next ot...
939
00:47:29,003 --> 00:47:31,503
Level of ot research.
940
00:47:31,533 --> 00:47:34,903
This level is beyond anything
any one of us ever imagined.
941
00:47:34,923 --> 00:47:37,702
This level is in fact done
942
00:47:37,742 --> 00:47:40,572
in an exterior state,
943
00:47:40,592 --> 00:47:43,012
meaning that it is done
completely exterior
944
00:47:43,042 --> 00:47:45,012
from the body.
945
00:47:45,052 --> 00:47:47,912
At this level of ot,
946
00:47:47,932 --> 00:47:49,382
the body is nothing more
947
00:47:49,422 --> 00:47:52,082
than an impediment
and encumbrance
948
00:47:52,102 --> 00:47:54,972
to any further gain as an ot.
949
00:47:57,142 --> 00:47:58,892
Thus...
950
00:48:00,281 --> 00:48:03,261
Thus, at 2000 hours,
951
00:48:03,281 --> 00:48:06,531
Friday, the 24th of January,
952
00:48:06,571 --> 00:48:08,282
a.D. 36,
953
00:48:08,322 --> 00:48:10,322
l. Ron Hubbard
discarded the body
954
00:48:10,372 --> 00:48:12,491
he had used in this lifetime
955
00:48:12,541 --> 00:48:16,631
for 74 years,
10 months, and 11 days.
956
00:48:16,661 --> 00:48:18,911
Although you may feel grief,
957
00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:22,751
understand that he did not,
and does not now.
958
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:29,291
Hubbard died
of a stroke in 1986,
959
00:48:29,311 --> 00:48:32,221
but he left no plan
for succession.
960
00:48:32,261 --> 00:48:34,981
The ambitious David Miscavige
stepped forward,
961
00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:37,800
and by bending arms
and making deals,
962
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:39,460
took control of the church
963
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,400
and installed
a new generation
of lieutenants.
964
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,100
We want to make sure
965
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:47,609
that all of us end cycle
on this completely,
966
00:48:47,659 --> 00:48:50,780
so we can get on with the job
967
00:48:50,810 --> 00:48:52,640
that is ahead of us.
968
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:56,370
The first time I met
Miscavige was in '83.
969
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:58,200
He was a guy
running back and forth
970
00:48:58,250 --> 00:49:01,669
between Hubbard
and the property
in hemet in a van...
971
00:49:01,709 --> 00:49:05,039
Back and forth,
delivering messages.
972
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:07,679
Worked my way
through the organization.
973
00:49:07,709 --> 00:49:10,209
Miscavige would
come down to Florida,
974
00:49:10,259 --> 00:49:12,009
where I was running the place,
975
00:49:12,049 --> 00:49:15,129
and we slowly
but surely became friends.
976
00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:18,369
By 2001,
i was working directly
for Miscavige.
977
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:21,439
We'd sit and drink
a bottle of scotch,
978
00:49:21,479 --> 00:49:23,708
and I'd hear
everything he had to say
about the church,
979
00:49:23,738 --> 00:49:26,408
and about the people involved,
from his perspective.
980
00:49:26,448 --> 00:49:29,698
And honestly, it was...
It was, uh, horrifying.
It was scary.
981
00:49:29,728 --> 00:49:32,349
In scientology,
there was a concept
982
00:49:32,369 --> 00:49:35,518
that 98% of the people
are good and 2% are evil.
983
00:49:35,538 --> 00:49:38,158
Well, he worked very hard
to convince me
984
00:49:38,188 --> 00:49:39,788
that it was
the other way around.
985
00:49:39,828 --> 00:49:43,078
2.5% were okay
and the rest were
very evil and bad.
986
00:49:43,128 --> 00:49:46,377
And somehow,
they'd all been dumped
on that base
987
00:49:46,417 --> 00:49:48,047
so they could be around him.
988
00:49:48,087 --> 00:49:50,247
He was...
He was extremely paranoid.
989
00:49:50,297 --> 00:49:54,058
So, Marty, is Miscavige
a true believer?
990
00:49:54,088 --> 00:49:54,632
Uh, yes.
991
00:49:58,877 --> 00:50:01,147
He has to continue to believe,
992
00:50:01,177 --> 00:50:02,947
because if he looks
at it rationally
993
00:50:02,977 --> 00:50:05,417
and he sees that it is as I say,
994
00:50:05,447 --> 00:50:07,187
it will destroy him.
995
00:50:07,217 --> 00:50:09,397
You know,
he'll just realize that...
996
00:50:09,437 --> 00:50:12,936
Because he's done
a lot worse than I've done.
997
00:50:12,986 --> 00:50:15,827
He's abused people
on a personal level,
998
00:50:15,857 --> 00:50:19,747
um, as a... as a...
That's how he got to the top,
999
00:50:19,777 --> 00:50:22,776
and that's how
he stayed at the top.
1000
00:50:22,836 --> 00:50:25,196
At the age of 11,
1001
00:50:25,236 --> 00:50:28,456
David Miscavige
joined the church
with his parents.
1002
00:50:28,506 --> 00:50:31,456
As a child, his ambition
caught Hubbard's eye.
1003
00:50:31,506 --> 00:50:33,705
So when Hubbard wanted
to become a filmmaker,
1004
00:50:33,745 --> 00:50:36,546
Miscavige was
his assistant cameraman.
1005
00:50:36,576 --> 00:50:38,176
An auditing prodigy,
1006
00:50:38,216 --> 00:50:40,646
he claimed scientology
cured his asthma.
1007
00:50:40,686 --> 00:50:44,436
He became a sort of
general contractor
for the church,
1008
00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:46,605
and was soon named
action chief...
1009
00:50:46,635 --> 00:50:49,305
The man who did
whatever needed doing
for a church
1010
00:50:49,355 --> 00:50:51,755
that developed
a scary reputation
1011
00:50:51,775 --> 00:50:53,565
for attacking its critics.
1012
00:50:53,595 --> 00:50:55,275
Scientology has been
in the headlines
1013
00:50:55,315 --> 00:50:56,786
off and on for 25 years now,
1014
00:50:56,816 --> 00:50:59,595
almost since the time
it was founded as a religion.
1015
00:50:59,615 --> 00:51:01,815
Scientology's story
is one of a church
1016
00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:04,705
embittered by what
it perceives as harassment.
1017
00:51:04,745 --> 00:51:06,035
We're talking about attacks
1018
00:51:06,075 --> 00:51:07,945
from multi-billion dollar
media conglomerates,
1019
00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:11,464
world governments...
Real powers of the world.
1020
00:51:11,494 --> 00:51:14,164
They take enemies
very seriously.
1021
00:51:14,214 --> 00:51:15,884
This comes right out
of Hubbard's own policies
1022
00:51:15,914 --> 00:51:18,955
from the '60s,
saying, "we never defend,
we always attack."
1023
00:51:18,975 --> 00:51:20,974
And they have followed it
ever since.
1024
00:51:21,004 --> 00:51:22,284
They call it "fair game,"
1025
00:51:22,304 --> 00:51:25,424
and anybody who criticizes
scientology is fair game.
1026
00:51:25,464 --> 00:51:26,974
Whatever you're told,
1027
00:51:27,014 --> 00:51:28,894
whatever needs to be done,
1028
00:51:28,934 --> 00:51:31,434
if it's against the law,
it doesn't matter.
1029
00:51:31,484 --> 00:51:33,813
The best example is,
in the mid '70s,
1030
00:51:33,853 --> 00:51:37,603
scientologists were
walking in to these
department of justice offices
1031
00:51:37,633 --> 00:51:41,444
and IRS offices
and taking documents
out by the yard.
1032
00:51:41,474 --> 00:51:43,694
The FBI raided
the church of scientology...
1033
00:51:43,744 --> 00:51:45,913
The largest raid
in FBI history
at that time.
1034
00:51:45,943 --> 00:51:48,413
Oh my God.
The building
is filled with FBI,
1035
00:51:48,453 --> 00:51:50,203
and they're...
They're taking things.
1036
00:51:50,253 --> 00:51:51,983
It was craziness.
1037
00:51:52,003 --> 00:51:55,423
Clearly, l. Ron Hubbard
was in charge of all of that,
1038
00:51:55,453 --> 00:51:57,522
but he was only named
an unindicted co-conspirator.
1039
00:51:57,552 --> 00:51:59,452
And Mary sue Hubbard,
Hubbard's wife,
1040
00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:02,713
she went to prison,
10 others went to prison.
1041
00:52:02,763 --> 00:52:05,263
This was where
i cut my teeth.
I was in my early 20s,
1042
00:52:05,303 --> 00:52:06,963
Miscavige was in his early 20s.
1043
00:52:07,003 --> 00:52:08,712
We were taking over
for this group
1044
00:52:08,772 --> 00:52:11,552
that had created
the largest domestic
espionage operation
1045
00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:13,192
in the history
of the United States.
1046
00:52:13,222 --> 00:52:14,692
They were breaking into offices,
1047
00:52:14,722 --> 00:52:17,472
framing people.
This is the activities
of a church?
1048
00:52:17,512 --> 00:52:18,972
There was a guy who,
uh, you know,
1049
00:52:19,012 --> 00:52:21,031
was a reporter
for "the LA times,"
1050
00:52:21,061 --> 00:52:22,362
whose dog was poisoned
1051
00:52:22,402 --> 00:52:24,612
while he was working
on a scientology story.
1052
00:52:24,652 --> 00:52:26,872
Again and again
while reporting the story,
1053
00:52:26,902 --> 00:52:29,792
we met many former members
who describe scientology
1054
00:52:29,822 --> 00:52:33,191
as a dangerous and deeply
paranoid organization.
1055
00:52:33,211 --> 00:52:35,961
They hired private detectives
to harass people.
1056
00:52:35,991 --> 00:52:37,381
I have been sued twice.
1057
00:52:37,411 --> 00:52:38,631
Financial ruin.
1058
00:52:38,661 --> 00:52:39,831
Years of harassment.
1059
00:52:39,881 --> 00:52:41,701
Their homes broken into,
have them beaten.
1060
00:52:41,721 --> 00:52:44,831
We chased her around.
We followed her
to the airport.
1061
00:52:44,891 --> 00:52:47,221
Gotten ahold of
personal phone records.
1062
00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:49,641
Slashed their tires,
break their car windows.
1063
00:52:49,671 --> 00:52:52,011
I was locked
in a chicken wire cage.
1064
00:52:52,041 --> 00:52:55,510
Dangerous, horrifying,
terrifying fraud.
1065
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,350
A nightmare.
1066
00:52:57,380 --> 00:52:59,310
Many of their stories
are corroborated
1067
00:52:59,350 --> 00:53:02,680
in sworn court testimony
by up to a dozen other people.
1068
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,401
Are they all lying?
1069
00:53:04,441 --> 00:53:05,601
They sat in a room,
1070
00:53:05,661 --> 00:53:07,060
they figured out
what they were going to say...
1071
00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:09,910
My position,
as the spokesperson,
1072
00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:13,360
was to evade the question,
1073
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,450
or sleaze around some way,
1074
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:17,450
or give what
was an acceptable answer,
1075
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,579
or something
that I believed at the time.
1076
00:53:19,619 --> 00:53:21,539
Please welcome
Mr. Mike rinder.
1077
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,929
Because scientology is perceived
1078
00:53:30,959 --> 00:53:33,679
and conceived by scientologists
1079
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,049
as being the salvation
for mankind,
1080
00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,889
you can have people that lie
1081
00:53:39,919 --> 00:53:42,758
with a very straight face
1082
00:53:42,778 --> 00:53:45,308
if they believe
that what they are doing
1083
00:53:45,358 --> 00:53:48,099
is protecting
the church of scientology.
1084
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:49,359
L. Ron Hubbard says,
1085
00:53:49,399 --> 00:53:51,599
"we do not find critics
of scientology
1086
00:53:51,619 --> 00:53:53,029
"who do not
have criminal pasts."
1087
00:53:53,069 --> 00:53:55,288
Do you believe that?
Sure.
1088
00:53:55,318 --> 00:53:57,868
People who oppose you
are undoubtedly criminals?
1089
00:53:57,908 --> 00:53:59,318
I believe that, yeah.
1090
00:53:59,378 --> 00:54:01,878
You know, there isn't
and hasn't been
1091
00:54:01,908 --> 00:54:04,578
any effort
which has been taken to,
1092
00:54:04,608 --> 00:54:06,457
quote,
"silence critics."
1093
00:54:06,497 --> 00:54:08,468
"No, that doesn't happen.
1094
00:54:08,498 --> 00:54:10,998
"Oh, we would never do that."
1095
00:54:11,088 --> 00:54:12,998
But according to many insiders,
1096
00:54:13,058 --> 00:54:14,918
Hubbard was growing
more and more vindictive
1097
00:54:14,958 --> 00:54:16,418
toward those
who stood in his way.
1098
00:54:16,458 --> 00:54:21,347
He created what he called
the rehabilitation
project force.
1099
00:54:21,397 --> 00:54:24,097
The rpf was what we called it.
1100
00:54:24,127 --> 00:54:25,427
It was the prison camp,
1101
00:54:25,467 --> 00:54:27,017
where you'd go
for re-indoctrination.
1102
00:54:27,067 --> 00:54:29,937
It was on the 7th floor
1103
00:54:29,967 --> 00:54:31,987
of the Hollywood headquarters,
1104
00:54:32,027 --> 00:54:35,157
a confined space
to rehabilitate members
1105
00:54:35,197 --> 00:54:37,647
who might be harboring
subversive thoughts.
1106
00:54:37,657 --> 00:54:39,827
Spanky was sent to the rpf
1107
00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:41,696
when she objected
to the way the church
1108
00:54:41,746 --> 00:54:44,116
had denied medical treatment
to her boss.
1109
00:54:44,146 --> 00:54:46,536
I went thinking, of course,
1110
00:54:46,586 --> 00:54:48,166
this is a big mistake.
1111
00:54:48,206 --> 00:54:50,757
And then I got there,
and there were like
200 of us.
1112
00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:53,706
So much of the exec strata
of the organization there
1113
00:54:53,756 --> 00:54:55,706
hit the skids simultaneously.
1114
00:54:55,766 --> 00:54:59,466
Rpf stands for
rehabilitation project force.
1115
00:54:59,546 --> 00:55:02,796
It is a program
that is exclusively
1116
00:55:02,836 --> 00:55:05,515
for the benefit
of sea organization members.
1117
00:55:05,555 --> 00:55:08,025
If they are stressed out,
1118
00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:09,835
if they're not doing well
on their job,
1119
00:55:09,855 --> 00:55:13,106
have them do
menial-type work,
1120
00:55:13,146 --> 00:55:16,896
and five hours a day of auditing
1121
00:55:16,946 --> 00:55:19,285
and scientology training.
1122
00:55:19,315 --> 00:55:20,905
It's a fabulous program.
1123
00:55:20,955 --> 00:55:23,375
We were working...
Cross my heart...
1124
00:55:23,405 --> 00:55:25,655
30 hours on, three hours off.
1125
00:55:25,695 --> 00:55:27,025
Doing, like, hard labor,
1126
00:55:27,045 --> 00:55:29,194
like having wire brushes
on windowsills,
1127
00:55:29,214 --> 00:55:30,964
and sanding
and sanding and sanding.
1128
00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:32,325
Breathing paint fumes.
1129
00:55:32,365 --> 00:55:34,535
The regular crew
would eat first,
1130
00:55:34,545 --> 00:55:36,335
and then we'd get what was left.
1131
00:55:36,365 --> 00:55:38,215
It was kinda like table scraps.
1132
00:55:38,255 --> 00:55:41,034
There was mattresses
out there on the roof,
1133
00:55:41,054 --> 00:55:43,534
and they were wet
and soggy and gross.
1134
00:55:43,554 --> 00:55:45,474
And if you got to sleep
for three hours,
1135
00:55:45,514 --> 00:55:48,974
sometimes you'd just have to
up there and crash out.
1136
00:55:50,484 --> 00:55:52,914
And I had a young child
at that time,
1137
00:55:52,954 --> 00:55:55,284
who was 10 months old
when I went to the rpf.
1138
00:55:55,324 --> 00:55:57,184
She got taken
and put in the cadet org,
1139
00:55:57,224 --> 00:55:59,994
the organization
for the children.
1140
00:56:00,024 --> 00:56:03,774
And then I...
I got pregnant
1141
00:56:03,824 --> 00:56:05,743
when I was in the rpf.
1142
00:56:05,783 --> 00:56:09,063
So now I'm sanding walls,
eating table scraps,
1143
00:56:09,083 --> 00:56:13,503
pregnant,
and worrying myself sick
about my child.
1144
00:56:13,533 --> 00:56:15,834
In spanky's time, the children
1145
00:56:15,874 --> 00:56:17,843
of sea org members
were separated
1146
00:56:17,873 --> 00:56:19,923
from their parents
and raised in the cadet org
1147
00:56:19,963 --> 00:56:21,793
to remove all distractions
1148
00:56:21,843 --> 00:56:24,343
from their parent's
ultimate responsibility,
1149
00:56:24,383 --> 00:56:26,343
to clear the planet.
1150
00:56:26,383 --> 00:56:29,962
Sea org members
were often pressured
to have abortions,
1151
00:56:30,022 --> 00:56:32,252
because the church
viewed "getting children"
1152
00:56:32,272 --> 00:56:34,752
as an unpractical burden.
1153
00:56:34,772 --> 00:56:36,943
Initially, you're like,
"this is absurd.
1154
00:56:36,973 --> 00:56:38,113
"This is nuts."
1155
00:56:38,143 --> 00:56:41,892
And then you kinda
settle in and go, "well...
1156
00:56:41,932 --> 00:56:46,432
"Obviously, I need
to deal with something
1157
00:56:46,452 --> 00:56:48,102
"that I'm not facing.
1158
00:56:48,122 --> 00:56:49,822
"So perhaps this is...
1159
00:56:49,872 --> 00:56:51,901
"They're doing this
to make me better."
1160
00:56:55,831 --> 00:56:58,492
There are so many
bizarre stories that you...
1161
00:56:58,552 --> 00:57:00,752
Just hard to believe stuff.
1162
00:57:00,782 --> 00:57:02,782
They asked
if I could arrange
a private screening
1163
00:57:02,802 --> 00:57:04,171
of "Saturday night fever."
1164
00:57:06,141 --> 00:57:07,891
And I was like, "what?"
1165
00:57:07,921 --> 00:57:09,621
"I had disappeared
from this man's life.
1166
00:57:09,641 --> 00:57:11,341
"I abandoned him,
1167
00:57:11,391 --> 00:57:13,791
"and now you
want me to arrange
a private screening?
1168
00:57:13,811 --> 00:57:15,181
"What are you..."
1169
00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:17,961
I said,
"is there anything else?
Maybe a Beatles reunion?"
1170
00:57:20,351 --> 00:57:22,931
Travolta had been wondering
where spanky was.
1171
00:57:22,971 --> 00:57:24,321
When she was sent to the rpf,
1172
00:57:24,351 --> 00:57:27,520
she was not allowed
to contact him
or anyone else.
1173
00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:29,640
But now,
under the watch of a guard,
1174
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:32,640
she was permitted
to call travolta’s assistant.
1175
00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:35,980
She said we could
use John's personal print
of the film,
1176
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,751
under one condition...
That you will see John.
1177
00:57:38,791 --> 00:57:40,700
I was so excited.
1178
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:44,490
I hadn't had dialogue
with him for many months.
1179
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:46,880
We had the screening
of the film,
1180
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:48,340
and on the next night,
1181
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:51,129
I was supposed
to have dinner with Johnny.
1182
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:52,829
And after the screening,
1183
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:55,719
I was abruptly told
i wasn't going to see him,
1184
00:57:55,769 --> 00:57:57,639
and I needed to call and cancel.
1185
00:57:57,689 --> 00:58:02,510
He was truly angry
at me for... for...
1186
00:58:02,530 --> 00:58:05,609
For having allowed this abuse
of myself, you know,
1187
00:58:05,649 --> 00:58:09,279
and for having that...
So little of myself...
1188
00:58:11,069 --> 00:58:14,039
That I would allow
this degree of degradation,
1189
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:17,188
and, and um...
And...
1190
00:58:17,208 --> 00:58:18,988
And he was my good friend,
1191
00:58:19,028 --> 00:58:22,409
and I knew that he was
telling me the truth.
1192
00:58:22,459 --> 00:58:26,828
Those words were
such a wakeup call for me.
1193
00:58:26,868 --> 00:58:30,028
And I went over there,
to the cadet org.
1194
00:58:30,048 --> 00:58:31,748
There were so many
sick children in there,
1195
00:58:31,838 --> 00:58:33,968
and my daughter
was very, very ill...
1196
00:58:34,008 --> 00:58:38,008
Burning up with fever,
completely neglected,
1197
00:58:38,038 --> 00:58:40,557
in a urine-soaked crib.
1198
00:58:40,597 --> 00:58:43,378
Her eyes were
so filled with mucus,
1199
00:58:43,398 --> 00:58:45,728
they were welded shut.
1200
00:58:45,768 --> 00:58:48,268
She had fruit flies on her body.
1201
00:58:48,318 --> 00:58:51,717
And I just...
I couldn't bear it.
1202
00:58:51,737 --> 00:58:54,327
I just went,
"no, mmm-mmm, I'm done."
1203
00:58:54,357 --> 00:58:58,057
I mean, I just knew
i could make these choices
for me.
1204
00:58:58,077 --> 00:59:00,027
I could decide
to give up my life
1205
00:59:00,067 --> 00:59:01,996
and do this to help the world,
1206
00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:04,287
but I couldn't
make these choices
for my children.
1207
00:59:04,337 --> 00:59:06,447
I just had to get her out.
1208
00:59:08,407 --> 00:59:11,507
I told them
that I was having problems
with my pregnancy,
1209
00:59:11,547 --> 00:59:13,546
and I needed to use the phone,
1210
00:59:13,576 --> 00:59:15,376
so they sent
a bodyguard with me.
1211
00:59:15,416 --> 00:59:19,296
I called one of the few
non-scientologists I knew,
1212
00:59:19,346 --> 00:59:22,096
a wonderful woman who happened
to work for John Travolta.
1213
00:59:22,136 --> 00:59:24,687
I said,
"meet me at this address."
1214
00:59:24,717 --> 00:59:26,516
I gave her a time and I hung up.
1215
00:59:26,556 --> 00:59:29,526
I go up to my daughter's room,
and I wrapped her up.
1216
00:59:31,476 --> 00:59:34,566
And there's
that bodyguard with me.
1217
00:59:34,616 --> 00:59:36,696
I said,
"oh, my sister-in-law
is in that car
1218
00:59:36,736 --> 00:59:39,095
"and she's gonna
take the baby to the doctor."
1219
00:59:39,115 --> 00:59:40,535
He said, "well,
has this been approved?"
1220
00:59:40,565 --> 00:59:43,115
"Of course
it was approved!"
1221
00:59:43,155 --> 00:59:45,625
She's in my arms,
and I got in the car.
1222
00:59:45,655 --> 00:59:48,326
My friend,
she just nods her head.
1223
00:59:49,875 --> 00:59:52,165
Boom! With that,
i pull my leg in,
shut that door.
1224
00:59:52,215 --> 00:59:54,465
She hits the locks,
and we drive.
1225
00:59:54,495 --> 00:59:56,085
And people are yelling my name,
1226
00:59:56,115 --> 00:59:58,135
saying, "spanky, no! No!"
1227
00:59:58,165 --> 01:00:00,225
I mean, just freaked out.
1228
01:00:00,255 --> 01:00:02,134
I'm thinkin' "I'm a dead person,
1229
01:00:02,174 --> 01:00:04,594
"something terrible
is gonna happen to me."
1230
01:00:04,644 --> 01:00:06,474
I was just so frightened
1231
01:00:06,514 --> 01:00:09,675
that they would come
to fetch me up.
1232
01:00:14,704 --> 01:00:15,934
One of the turning points
1233
01:00:15,974 --> 01:00:18,334
in travolta’s relationship
with the church
1234
01:00:18,374 --> 01:00:21,994
is when he understood
what was happening to spanky,
1235
01:00:22,024 --> 01:00:24,474
he didn't do anything about it.
1236
01:00:24,493 --> 01:00:27,243
I know that
he certainly got exposed
1237
01:00:27,283 --> 01:00:30,254
to the fact
that not everything
was on the up and up.
1238
01:00:30,284 --> 01:00:32,914
Why that wasn't sufficient
for him to leave,
1239
01:00:32,954 --> 01:00:35,034
I don't know.
1240
01:00:35,094 --> 01:00:39,993
I often wonder what...
What could possibly
keep him there?
1241
01:00:40,013 --> 01:00:41,263
Can you recall an incident
1242
01:00:41,293 --> 01:00:43,523
which occurred
when your mother
looked younger?
1243
01:00:43,563 --> 01:00:48,212
An auditor learns to
keep notes contemporaneously
1244
01:00:48,272 --> 01:00:50,603
as he is doing a session,
1245
01:00:50,633 --> 01:00:54,023
about every detail
of the person's life,
1246
01:00:54,053 --> 01:00:55,943
back to birth and beyond.
1247
01:00:55,973 --> 01:00:58,443
If you do the whole program,
1248
01:00:58,483 --> 01:01:01,012
you end up with
up to a file cabinet full
1249
01:01:01,032 --> 01:01:04,952
of pre-clear folders
on notations about your life,
1250
01:01:04,982 --> 01:01:07,982
your thoughts,
and your considerations
about your life.
1251
01:01:08,022 --> 01:01:10,402
It's the most intimate detail.
1252
01:01:10,453 --> 01:01:13,202
You're always encouraged,
you're always threatened,
1253
01:01:13,242 --> 01:01:18,162
to disclose more
and more and more.
And all of it's recorded.
1254
01:01:18,192 --> 01:01:19,632
All of this material,
1255
01:01:19,662 --> 01:01:22,212
which is represented to you
to be held sacrosanct...
1256
01:01:22,252 --> 01:01:24,801
In fact, any information
1257
01:01:24,831 --> 01:01:27,551
that might do some harm
to the organization,
1258
01:01:27,591 --> 01:01:30,041
gets unclassified automatically
1259
01:01:30,061 --> 01:01:32,642
and gets reported
to another branch
of the church
1260
01:01:32,682 --> 01:01:34,842
that deals with "ethics."
1261
01:01:40,151 --> 01:01:42,721
Travolta was down in clearwater.
1262
01:01:42,741 --> 01:01:45,071
We'd finished the renovations.
1263
01:01:45,111 --> 01:01:47,410
Every auditing room
had two cameras...
1264
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,730
One on the meter,
and one on the guy
getting auditing.
1265
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:53,911
Miscavige would sit
in this 15x15 room,
1266
01:01:53,951 --> 01:01:55,911
cameras of every session.
1267
01:01:55,951 --> 01:01:57,401
You can flip in between 'em,
1268
01:01:57,421 --> 01:01:59,370
and he was watching
these things.
1269
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:00,920
And it was
for "training purposes."
1270
01:02:00,950 --> 01:02:02,400
Well, Travolta saw that,
1271
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:05,340
and he said,
"i will not be videoed."
1272
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:08,340
So I was there when
they were setting it up,
1273
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:10,210
and Miscavige was directing it.
1274
01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:12,049
"Get him into a hotel room,
1275
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,680
"hook up secret,
private videos."
1276
01:02:16,750 --> 01:02:18,920
There were rumors
1277
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:20,940
that he was
threatening to leave,
1278
01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:23,859
and another scientologist
told me that he was delegated
1279
01:02:23,889 --> 01:02:28,309
to create a black PR package...
All the damaging material
1280
01:02:28,369 --> 01:02:30,649
they could use against Travolta,
1281
01:02:30,699 --> 01:02:32,949
which came
from his auditing sessions.
1282
01:02:32,989 --> 01:02:35,649
I know this
because I used to do it
1283
01:02:35,709 --> 01:02:39,539
when I was the head
of the office of
special affairs.
1284
01:02:39,579 --> 01:02:41,329
We would put a team of people
1285
01:02:41,379 --> 01:02:44,579
onto going through
all of these pc folders
1286
01:02:44,609 --> 01:02:48,328
and finding things
that they believe.
1287
01:02:48,388 --> 01:02:51,418
By exposing them
or threatening to expose them,
1288
01:02:51,448 --> 01:02:55,058
they will cower the person
1289
01:02:55,088 --> 01:02:58,588
that they're worried about
into silence.
1290
01:02:59,958 --> 01:03:01,428
There is a particular writing
1291
01:03:01,458 --> 01:03:06,068
where Hubbard
is training these office
of special affairs people
1292
01:03:06,098 --> 01:03:10,267
on how, when you use
private information
1293
01:03:10,307 --> 01:03:13,657
to control somebody
to do what you want them
to do,
1294
01:03:13,687 --> 01:03:16,437
and to silence them
from speaking out
against scientology,
1295
01:03:16,477 --> 01:03:19,828
it's really not blackmail,
because you're not
asking for money.
1296
01:03:19,868 --> 01:03:21,778
But you're holding
this secret information
1297
01:03:21,818 --> 01:03:24,117
over the person's head
to silence them.
1298
01:03:24,147 --> 01:03:26,317
As far as Travolta is concerned,
1299
01:03:26,337 --> 01:03:29,657
people say, well, he...
There's all these things
that we know about
1300
01:03:29,677 --> 01:03:31,507
that have been rumored
in the tabloids.
1301
01:03:31,537 --> 01:03:34,346
But in fact,
it's more of
a two-way street.
1302
01:03:34,376 --> 01:03:36,096
You know, he's provided
with an auditor
1303
01:03:36,126 --> 01:03:37,516
whose shoulder he can cry on,
1304
01:03:37,546 --> 01:03:40,517
but he's also
provided with the muscle
of the church,
1305
01:03:40,547 --> 01:03:43,097
in the form of myself
and Mike rinder.
1306
01:03:43,137 --> 01:03:44,307
On many occasions,
1307
01:03:44,337 --> 01:03:46,436
we were sent out
to get with his publicist,
1308
01:03:46,476 --> 01:03:47,636
to get with his lawyer,
1309
01:03:47,676 --> 01:03:50,476
and to help squash
or intimidate these people
1310
01:03:50,506 --> 01:03:52,776
that are making accusations
against him.
1311
01:03:52,816 --> 01:03:54,276
Once that happened,
1312
01:03:54,316 --> 01:03:57,445
I think he was really
the church's captive.
1313
01:03:57,485 --> 01:03:59,235
Mr. John Travolta!
1314
01:04:18,975 --> 01:04:21,535
When they were facing lawsuits
and stuff like that,
1315
01:04:21,555 --> 01:04:22,835
he'd be brought forward,
1316
01:04:22,875 --> 01:04:25,675
and make his testimony
about how great
scientology is.
1317
01:04:25,715 --> 01:04:27,345
He had the opportunity
1318
01:04:27,375 --> 01:04:31,215
to affect
the behavior of the church,
and he chose not to.
1319
01:04:32,984 --> 01:04:35,654
Now I've been a scientologist
for 23 years.
1320
01:04:35,684 --> 01:04:38,024
I've felt like a pioneer
in many... in many ways,
1321
01:04:38,074 --> 01:04:41,574
and I've...
I've seen my efforts
come to fruition...
1322
01:04:41,604 --> 01:04:43,555
In various ways.
1323
01:04:43,575 --> 01:04:46,524
I think very few people
can say that.
1324
01:04:46,584 --> 01:04:49,244
I've... I'm part of a...
Of a frontier in a way,
1325
01:04:49,284 --> 01:04:52,564
you know, that,
that very few people
ever get to be part of.
1326
01:05:26,873 --> 01:05:29,323
Thank you.
1327
01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:31,903
Welcome to church!
1328
01:05:31,942 --> 01:05:35,542
It was the biggest event
in scientology history,
1329
01:05:35,582 --> 01:05:38,992
and of course,
Miscavige wanted to milk it
for everything he had.
1330
01:05:39,052 --> 01:05:41,002
It's this grand, produced thing,
1331
01:05:41,052 --> 01:05:45,471
where it's all
a single person
on a gigantic stage,
1332
01:05:45,501 --> 01:05:48,792
all this sort of Nazi symbolism.
1333
01:05:49,642 --> 01:05:52,622
I clearly recall
getting prepared
for the event
1334
01:05:52,642 --> 01:05:54,432
and Miscavige up in that office,
1335
01:05:54,462 --> 01:05:57,091
you know,
going 18-20 hours a day
1336
01:05:57,131 --> 01:06:00,101
writing this speech,
and thinking to myself,
1337
01:06:00,131 --> 01:06:03,021
"my God, you know?
This is not just
1338
01:06:03,071 --> 01:06:05,691
"a victory celebration,
1339
01:06:05,741 --> 01:06:08,071
"this is a...
This is a coup."
1340
01:06:08,111 --> 01:06:10,611
What we are going to talk about
1341
01:06:10,641 --> 01:06:14,451
is the war to end all wars.
1342
01:06:14,501 --> 01:06:16,951
When you are in scientology,
you are in all the way.
1343
01:06:16,981 --> 01:06:19,370
There's no half in and half out.
1344
01:06:19,420 --> 01:06:22,420
A decade into
Miscavige's leadership,
1345
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:24,710
a simmering crisis
finally came to a boil.
1346
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,181
For years Hubbard had
insisted that scientology
was a religion
1347
01:06:29,211 --> 01:06:31,260
and should be tax-exempt,
1348
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:35,000
so he had refused
to pay any taxes.
1349
01:06:35,020 --> 01:06:37,550
We were facing a tax bill
1350
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,140
of over a billion dollars,
and the total assets,
1351
01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:44,729
liquid and material,
and property of the church
1352
01:06:44,779 --> 01:06:47,809
was about a quarter of that
at the time, in the '80s.
1353
01:06:47,859 --> 01:06:52,120
And so just
from a real simple
accounting basis,
1354
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:53,480
it was life and death.
1355
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,069
If we don't
get exemption, we die.
1356
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,019
If we get it, we survive.
1357
01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:58,909
As lrh said,
1358
01:06:58,959 --> 01:07:01,579
"one certainly
couldn't contest anyone
1359
01:07:01,629 --> 01:07:04,359
"as holy as the commissioner
of the IRS,
1360
01:07:04,379 --> 01:07:08,918
"whom I believe gives God
his orders." Lrh.
1361
01:07:08,968 --> 01:07:10,919
Faced with this crisis,
1362
01:07:10,969 --> 01:07:13,699
David Miscavige
formulated a strategy.
1363
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,759
Think of the nerve that it takes
1364
01:07:16,809 --> 01:07:19,558
to decide to take on a war
with the IRS.
1365
01:07:19,598 --> 01:07:21,428
The church of scientology
1366
01:07:21,478 --> 01:07:23,878
has been crucifying
the federal agency
1367
01:07:23,898 --> 01:07:26,268
for its sins on a regular basis,
1368
01:07:26,318 --> 01:07:28,348
both in and out of courts.
1369
01:07:28,398 --> 01:07:32,018
Thousands of scientologists
all filed lawsuits,
1370
01:07:32,058 --> 01:07:33,218
not just against the IRS,
1371
01:07:33,238 --> 01:07:36,108
but against
individual IRS employees.
1372
01:07:36,158 --> 01:07:38,058
2400 total lawsuits,
1373
01:07:38,078 --> 01:07:40,948
all going at the IRS
at one time.
1374
01:07:40,998 --> 01:07:42,697
It was a litigation nightmare.
1375
01:07:42,737 --> 01:07:45,417
Being Miscavige's
right-hand man,
1376
01:07:45,457 --> 01:07:47,367
I was in charge
of all those efforts.
1377
01:07:47,407 --> 01:07:50,617
We were not only
suing them in every possible
jurisdiction there was,
1378
01:07:50,677 --> 01:07:53,538
we were investigating
the IRS for crimes generally,
1379
01:07:53,598 --> 01:07:55,127
or things that would
offend the public.
1380
01:07:55,177 --> 01:07:57,177
These hearings
into IRS integrity...
1381
01:07:57,217 --> 01:07:58,517
In the late '80s,
1382
01:07:58,547 --> 01:08:00,267
there were hearings
about IRS abuses
1383
01:08:00,297 --> 01:08:01,547
that had nothing to do
with scientology,
1384
01:08:01,587 --> 01:08:02,717
had nothing to do
with nonprofits,
1385
01:08:02,757 --> 01:08:04,137
had nothing to do with churches.
1386
01:08:04,187 --> 01:08:06,266
They had to do
with Joe taxpayer.
1387
01:08:06,306 --> 01:08:09,256
And they we were publishing
these glossy,
1388
01:08:09,276 --> 01:08:10,696
expensive magazines.
1389
01:08:10,726 --> 01:08:13,776
In fact, the exposã©s
of IRS crimes
1390
01:08:13,816 --> 01:08:16,697
were so hated
that possession
of "freedom" magazine
1391
01:08:16,737 --> 01:08:19,646
was banned by IRS officials
in the IRS building.
1392
01:08:21,816 --> 01:08:26,706
There is going to be
a IRS conference
in the catskills.
1393
01:08:26,746 --> 01:08:29,825
Right?
And so we would send a pi,
1394
01:08:29,875 --> 01:08:31,875
find out which hotel
it's gonna be at,
1395
01:08:31,915 --> 01:08:35,116
get down there
during happy hour,
socialize.
1396
01:08:35,136 --> 01:08:38,306
And this guy's tallying
who's drinkin' what.
1397
01:08:38,336 --> 01:08:40,216
And so we go through
freedom of information act
1398
01:08:40,256 --> 01:08:43,505
to find out
that the taxpayers
are paying the bar bill,
1399
01:08:43,555 --> 01:08:45,345
and it's so much money.
1400
01:08:45,395 --> 01:08:46,595
And of course, you know,
1401
01:08:46,625 --> 01:08:48,465
in the scheme of things,
it's nothing.
1402
01:08:48,475 --> 01:08:50,345
But from a PR perspective,
it's everything.
1403
01:08:50,395 --> 01:08:54,434
IRS officials told me to my face
1404
01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:56,905
they weren't interested
in hearing anything
1405
01:08:56,935 --> 01:09:00,825
I had to say
because, and I quote,
1406
01:09:00,855 --> 01:09:02,975
"you are a scientologist.
1407
01:09:02,995 --> 01:09:06,194
"You are a mindless robot."
1408
01:09:06,244 --> 01:09:09,994
Well, those who know me
can imagine my response.
1409
01:09:12,374 --> 01:09:16,204
It was short,
but certainly made the point.
1410
01:09:18,094 --> 01:09:21,924
A negotiation
began to take place
1411
01:09:21,964 --> 01:09:26,214
between the IRS
and the church
of scientology.
1412
01:09:26,264 --> 01:09:28,184
How do you define a religion?
1413
01:09:28,214 --> 01:09:29,803
It's not so easy.
1414
01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:33,933
Why is one body
of thinking a religion
1415
01:09:33,973 --> 01:09:36,443
and another body not?
1416
01:09:36,473 --> 01:09:41,283
The only organization
entitled to make
those distinctions
1417
01:09:41,313 --> 01:09:43,313
is the IRS as an agency...
1418
01:09:43,353 --> 01:09:45,613
Very poorly equipped to do that.
1419
01:09:45,653 --> 01:09:47,403
I mean, they're mainly
accountants and lawyers,
1420
01:09:47,453 --> 01:09:49,203
they're not theologians.
1421
01:09:49,243 --> 01:09:51,873
But it's the only opinion
that matters.
1422
01:09:51,903 --> 01:09:55,162
Once the IRS has decided
that you are a religion,
1423
01:09:55,192 --> 01:09:59,332
then you are protected
by the vast protections
1424
01:09:59,382 --> 01:10:02,003
of the first amendment.
1425
01:10:02,033 --> 01:10:04,882
And, as the saying goes,
1426
01:10:04,922 --> 01:10:08,542
the rest is history.
On October the first, 1993,
1427
01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:11,642
at 8:37 pm
eastern standard time,
1428
01:10:11,672 --> 01:10:14,892
the IRS issued letters
recognizing scientology
1429
01:10:14,932 --> 01:10:17,011
and every one
of its organizations
1430
01:10:17,051 --> 01:10:20,231
as fully tax-exempt!
The war is over!
1431
01:10:27,162 --> 01:10:29,021
The war ended
1432
01:10:29,061 --> 01:10:30,991
because the IRS surrendered.
1433
01:10:31,031 --> 01:10:33,191
It forgave
the billion-dollar tax bill
1434
01:10:33,231 --> 01:10:36,861
and granted scientology
its tax exemption.
1435
01:10:36,901 --> 01:10:39,670
Even Hubbard's novels
were declared religious texts,
1436
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:42,871
their sales exempt from taxes.
1437
01:10:42,911 --> 01:10:45,291
What happened
is that Fred goldberg,
1438
01:10:45,341 --> 01:10:48,131
who was the IRS commissioner
at that time...
1439
01:10:48,181 --> 01:10:51,011
Miscavige let goldberg know
that if we could find a way
1440
01:10:51,051 --> 01:10:52,550
to get tax-exempt status,
1441
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:54,410
all those lawsuits
will go away overnight.
1442
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:55,880
And as we were going
out the door,
1443
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,250
Fred goldberg goes,
"is he serious?"
1444
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:59,890
And I said, "yeah."
1445
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,090
And he sort of breathed
this sigh of relief,
1446
01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:04,280
kind of nodded, and smiled.
1447
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:07,060
At the church's victory party,
1448
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,860
Miscavige projected photos
of the church's executives
1449
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:13,450
celebrating with IRS officials.
1450
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:16,539
It created
this tremendous juggernaut
1451
01:11:16,569 --> 01:11:21,159
of tight conspiracy
of the membership
that then existed,
1452
01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:24,550
but what it really did
was enable Miscavige
1453
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:27,829
to milk every last dime
1454
01:11:27,879 --> 01:11:29,669
out of that core membership.
1455
01:11:29,719 --> 01:11:33,799
I am proud to announce
the discrimination is over.
1456
01:11:33,839 --> 01:11:35,719
Your tax dona...
1457
01:11:35,759 --> 01:11:37,789
Deductions on donations
to scientology
1458
01:11:37,809 --> 01:11:41,348
will no longer be disallowed
by the internal revenue service.
1459
01:11:44,228 --> 01:11:46,679
In the '80s,
while Hubbard was in hiding,
1460
01:11:46,739 --> 01:11:50,319
scientology was going through
some very severe litigation,
1461
01:11:50,358 --> 01:11:52,188
in particular,
a lawsuit in Oregon,
1462
01:11:52,238 --> 01:11:53,768
and one in Los Angeles.
1463
01:11:53,828 --> 01:11:56,328
One of them did produce
a $30 million judgment.
1464
01:11:56,358 --> 01:11:58,158
This scared scientology.
1465
01:11:58,198 --> 01:12:00,078
They realized
they were vulnerable.
1466
01:12:00,118 --> 01:12:01,528
And so they
asked scientologists,
1467
01:12:01,578 --> 01:12:03,777
"okay, give us
a few thousand dollars.
1468
01:12:03,817 --> 01:12:06,037
"You'll get a nice ribbon
or something.
1469
01:12:06,087 --> 01:12:08,158
"You're not gonna get
any courses from it."
And this was new,
1470
01:12:08,168 --> 01:12:10,158
the idea that you would
give them money
1471
01:12:10,178 --> 01:12:12,338
just to defend against lawsuits.
1472
01:12:12,378 --> 01:12:13,678
And that grew and grew.
1473
01:12:13,708 --> 01:12:16,507
Now scientologists
are constantly
1474
01:12:16,547 --> 01:12:19,847
under intense pressure
just to hand money over.
1475
01:12:19,887 --> 01:12:22,437
They pitch themselves
as being the underdog,
1476
01:12:22,467 --> 01:12:27,056
as being the victim.
And you identify with that.
1477
01:12:27,106 --> 01:12:28,677
But then they start
hitting you up
1478
01:12:28,687 --> 01:12:30,807
for bigger donations,
and bigger... and I got
a lot of pressure.
1479
01:12:30,847 --> 01:12:34,057
And I think
i donated another $250,000
to them under pressure.
1480
01:12:34,117 --> 01:12:35,677
They really know how to do it.
1481
01:12:35,697 --> 01:12:38,066
They really know how to do it,
and he just was after me
and after me.
1482
01:12:38,116 --> 01:12:40,316
And they said,
"we're under attack, Paul."
1483
01:12:40,356 --> 01:12:42,456
This one guy who donated
$25 million,
1484
01:12:42,486 --> 01:12:44,856
for no... you know,
just straight donation,
1485
01:12:44,876 --> 01:12:47,286
to this...
To the scientology war chest.
1486
01:12:50,026 --> 01:12:51,796
Churches are tax-exempt
1487
01:12:51,826 --> 01:12:54,886
because they're supposed
to provide a public good.
1488
01:12:54,916 --> 01:12:57,046
To prove that good to the IRS,
1489
01:12:57,086 --> 01:12:59,506
churches aren't supposed
to hoard their money.
1490
01:12:59,536 --> 01:13:03,505
They're supposed to spend it
on services for the faithful.
1491
01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:06,675
Under this pretense,
the church had made
massive investments
1492
01:13:06,725 --> 01:13:08,765
in tax-free real estate
all over the world.
1493
01:13:08,815 --> 01:13:11,486
And when it comes
to labor costs,
1494
01:13:11,516 --> 01:13:15,185
they are almost free.
1495
01:13:15,215 --> 01:13:17,265
The Max I got paid, you know,
1496
01:13:17,325 --> 01:13:20,055
on a weekly basis was 50 bucks,
1497
01:13:20,075 --> 01:13:22,025
um, for 28 years.
1498
01:13:22,075 --> 01:13:25,394
Sea org workers
take home something
1499
01:13:25,414 --> 01:13:28,994
between six and 40 cents
an hour.
1500
01:13:29,034 --> 01:13:32,735
So if you've got
very low labor costs,
1501
01:13:32,755 --> 01:13:36,924
no taxes to pay,
and wealthy people
giving you donations,
1502
01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:41,594
you can see why
scientology has amassed
huge piles of money.
1503
01:13:41,624 --> 01:13:43,074
How much are they worth?
1504
01:13:43,094 --> 01:13:45,434
This was a bit of a mystery,
but just recently,
1505
01:13:45,464 --> 01:13:47,744
I obtained tax records
that scientology
1506
01:13:47,764 --> 01:13:49,583
does have to turn in.
1507
01:13:49,603 --> 01:13:52,083
Three of the main entities
of scientology...
1508
01:13:52,103 --> 01:13:53,774
And there are 20
or 30 of them...
1509
01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:56,254
But the top three,
just on their own,
1510
01:13:56,274 --> 01:13:59,944
have a book value
of $1.5 billion.
1511
01:14:01,233 --> 01:14:04,403
It's stunning how much money
a nonprofit
1512
01:14:04,433 --> 01:14:05,983
has been able to amass.
1513
01:14:16,613 --> 01:14:20,583
It is a crime
that we've given them
religious recognition
1514
01:14:20,613 --> 01:14:22,283
and that
they can hide behind it.
1515
01:14:22,303 --> 01:14:24,472
Meanwhile, you got
very good people in there,
1516
01:14:24,502 --> 01:14:26,952
and their lives
are being destroyed.
1517
01:14:26,972 --> 01:14:28,892
When I started this story,
1518
01:14:28,922 --> 01:14:32,262
I stumbled across
an FBI investigation
of the church.
1519
01:14:32,292 --> 01:14:35,133
They were investigating
human trafficking.
1520
01:14:35,143 --> 01:14:38,232
It seemed that people
were being confined
against their will.
1521
01:14:38,262 --> 01:14:41,772
There were lots
of reports of people
being physically abused,
1522
01:14:41,802 --> 01:14:44,942
and the exploitation
of labor and child labor.
1523
01:14:44,972 --> 01:14:49,021
All of these things
were questions that
the FBI had.
1524
01:14:49,081 --> 01:14:51,691
While that investigation
was going on,
1525
01:14:51,741 --> 01:14:54,861
a case was being heard
in Colorado...
1526
01:14:54,911 --> 01:14:57,782
The headleys,
who were suing the church
1527
01:14:57,822 --> 01:15:01,501
for many
of these same violations.
1528
01:15:01,541 --> 01:15:04,171
And the court ruled in that case
1529
01:15:04,211 --> 01:15:06,791
that these are all
essentially practices
1530
01:15:06,831 --> 01:15:09,961
that are protected
by the religious clause
1531
01:15:10,001 --> 01:15:12,660
of the first amendment.
1532
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,180
Once that ruling came out,
1533
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:16,470
the FBI dropped
its investigation.
1534
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:20,971
I think it was an indication
that the church is protected.
1535
01:15:21,021 --> 01:15:24,360
Before ending cycle
completely on the IRS,
1536
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:27,030
there is one thing
i do wish to do.
1537
01:15:27,060 --> 01:15:30,180
Sir. Done.
1538
01:16:27,038 --> 01:16:28,758
The "we stand tall" thing...
1539
01:16:28,788 --> 01:16:31,538
This again was part
of this whole IRS thing.
1540
01:16:31,578 --> 01:16:34,038
And Miscavige kind of
had this song composed
1541
01:16:34,078 --> 01:16:36,347
by the musician group
they had up at the studio.
1542
01:16:36,377 --> 01:16:38,297
He was trying
to turn this into...
1543
01:16:38,347 --> 01:16:41,187
This was a result of the power
of this movement...
1544
01:16:50,397 --> 01:16:52,397
Which was such bullshit,
1545
01:16:52,427 --> 01:16:55,117
because it was
all about control.
1546
01:16:55,147 --> 01:16:59,096
When he got absolute control,
he went absolutely bonkers.
1547
01:17:11,996 --> 01:17:13,796
You know, most religions
are tax-exempt
1548
01:17:13,836 --> 01:17:15,796
and many have beliefs
and practices
1549
01:17:15,836 --> 01:17:19,056
that in the modern context
would be considered strange.
1550
01:17:19,086 --> 01:17:20,666
Is scientology any different?
1551
01:17:20,726 --> 01:17:22,006
I mean, if you go to a Christian
1552
01:17:22,055 --> 01:17:24,926
or a Jew or a Muslim,
and ask them,
1553
01:17:24,956 --> 01:17:26,456
"what do you believe?",
1554
01:17:26,476 --> 01:17:28,096
they can basically describe
1555
01:17:28,126 --> 01:17:31,146
the most important parts
of their religion
1556
01:17:31,186 --> 01:17:32,766
in a minute or two.
1557
01:17:32,796 --> 01:17:34,465
Well, what does
a scientologist believe?
1558
01:17:34,485 --> 01:17:37,235
You need to be in scientology
for seven or eight years,
1559
01:17:37,275 --> 01:17:39,635
and in for a couple hundred
thousand dollars,
1560
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,695
before you finally
learn this backstory
1561
01:17:41,745 --> 01:17:43,605
of xenu the galactic overlord.
1562
01:17:43,645 --> 01:17:45,524
Now, if you were told that
on day one,
1563
01:17:45,574 --> 01:17:47,525
how many people would join?
1564
01:17:47,585 --> 01:17:49,245
But if they were
upfront about it,
1565
01:17:49,285 --> 01:17:50,865
I'd have more respect for them.
1566
01:17:50,915 --> 01:17:52,615
But it's that sort of
bait and switch
1567
01:17:52,655 --> 01:17:54,755
that people are told,
"oh, it's an applied philosophy
1568
01:17:54,785 --> 01:17:56,825
"to help you
with your communication."
1569
01:17:56,845 --> 01:17:58,504
Oh, yeah?
1570
01:17:58,544 --> 01:18:00,824
So why is tom cruise
paying 1,000 bucks
1571
01:18:00,844 --> 01:18:03,994
to have invisible aliens
pulled out of his body?
1572
01:18:12,474 --> 01:18:14,274
What happens when
your zone of influence
1573
01:18:14,304 --> 01:18:15,804
is the global stage?
1574
01:18:15,844 --> 01:18:20,274
How much must one do
to call themselves
a scientologist?
1575
01:18:20,314 --> 01:18:23,343
How much so that
when their head
hits the pillow,
1576
01:18:23,363 --> 01:18:25,483
they can live with themselves,
1577
01:18:25,513 --> 01:18:28,234
knowing they did
all they could do?
1578
01:18:28,284 --> 01:18:30,574
That is our final story
this evening.
1579
01:18:30,624 --> 01:18:34,243
It's a story that affects
every scientologist,
1580
01:18:34,293 --> 01:18:38,463
for all of us
are the beneficiaries
of what he presents.
1581
01:18:40,383 --> 01:18:43,083
Tom cruise was the guy.
1582
01:18:43,133 --> 01:18:47,302
Miscavige and cruise
had been pretty buddy-buddy,
1583
01:18:47,342 --> 01:18:50,423
way back
to "days of thunder."
1584
01:18:50,473 --> 01:18:54,473
He was on the set with him,
he went skydiving with him,
1585
01:18:54,513 --> 01:18:57,842
was hangin' out with him
all the time.
1586
01:18:57,902 --> 01:19:00,552
And that was when
tom first met Nicole.
1587
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:03,022
He had really fallen for her.
1588
01:19:03,052 --> 01:19:04,352
They got married,
1589
01:19:04,392 --> 01:19:07,442
and this posed
a dilemma for the church,
1590
01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:08,941
because her father
1591
01:19:08,991 --> 01:19:13,162
is a well-known psychologist
in Australia.
1592
01:19:13,202 --> 01:19:15,452
From the church's perspective,
he's the enemy.
1593
01:19:15,502 --> 01:19:17,412
He's a suppressive person.
1594
01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:19,082
How could you ignore me
like this?
1595
01:19:19,122 --> 01:19:20,831
Because Nicole is still
1596
01:19:20,871 --> 01:19:23,421
in a relationship
with her father,
1597
01:19:23,461 --> 01:19:25,741
that makes her dangerous.
1598
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:29,291
She's a potential
trouble source, pts.
1599
01:19:29,351 --> 01:19:33,101
And because tom
is related to her,
1600
01:19:33,131 --> 01:19:36,551
this all causes trouble
from the church's perspective.
1601
01:19:36,601 --> 01:19:38,471
You have to break that dynamic.
1602
01:19:38,521 --> 01:19:41,591
Nicole... her biggest beef
1603
01:19:41,611 --> 01:19:46,310
was that tom was becoming
increasingly like Dave.
1604
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,100
She really got him
to drift away from the church,
1605
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:52,981
and tom was not
really actively involved
in scientology
1606
01:19:53,041 --> 01:19:56,740
between '92-ish
all the way up until 2001.
1607
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,880
They were away
for more than a year
1608
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:04,710
shooting "eyes wide shut"
in the uk.
1609
01:20:04,750 --> 01:20:08,669
And cruise was not in touch
with Miscavige,
1610
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,049
and this drove Miscavige crazy.
1611
01:20:11,089 --> 01:20:13,789
I was assigned to, um,
get him back in.
1612
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:17,090
And that was coincident with,
and... and I was to facilitate
1613
01:20:17,130 --> 01:20:19,429
the breakup with Nicole Kidman.
1614
01:20:19,459 --> 01:20:21,339
And how'd you do that?
1615
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:23,979
Uh, well,
through a lot of auditing.
1616
01:20:24,019 --> 01:20:27,599
And every session
i ever gave to tom cruise...
1617
01:20:27,639 --> 01:20:31,688
And there was dozens
upon dozens of them
over a three-year period...
1618
01:20:31,738 --> 01:20:33,468
I had to write detailed reports
1619
01:20:33,488 --> 01:20:35,989
and send them directly
to David Miscavige.
1620
01:20:36,029 --> 01:20:38,409
I would sit there every night
with our scotch
1621
01:20:38,449 --> 01:20:40,749
and watch and listen
to Miscavige comment
1622
01:20:40,779 --> 01:20:44,448
about cruise's sex life,
and what... yeah,
1623
01:20:44,488 --> 01:20:46,288
how perverted he was.
1624
01:20:46,318 --> 01:20:49,988
Why is he gettin'
daily reports on cruise?
1625
01:20:50,008 --> 01:20:52,508
Miscavige really wanted
to get him back
1626
01:20:52,538 --> 01:20:54,178
into being somebody
that he could use
1627
01:20:54,208 --> 01:20:58,048
to lure people
into scientology
and increase his own status.
1628
01:20:58,098 --> 01:21:00,878
And I was also involved
in the legal team
1629
01:21:00,938 --> 01:21:05,858
and actually
hiring investigators
to investigate Nicole.
1630
01:21:05,888 --> 01:21:07,517
Men have to stick it in
every place they can,
1631
01:21:07,557 --> 01:21:09,557
but for women...
Women, it is just about
1632
01:21:09,607 --> 01:21:11,477
security and commitment...
1633
01:21:11,507 --> 01:21:13,777
Tom wanted to know exactly
who she was talking to,
1634
01:21:13,817 --> 01:21:16,617
and so he wanted
to tap her phone.
1635
01:21:16,647 --> 01:21:20,537
If you men only knew.
1636
01:21:20,567 --> 01:21:22,037
When I reported that day
to Miscavige,
1637
01:21:22,067 --> 01:21:25,357
I reported it,
like, "i mean, he wants
to tap her phone."
1638
01:21:25,377 --> 01:21:27,657
He said,
"God damn it, get it done."
1639
01:21:27,697 --> 01:21:31,496
And so I arranged,
through the scientology's
consigliere,
1640
01:21:31,526 --> 01:21:34,126
to get a private investigator
1641
01:21:34,166 --> 01:21:36,716
who physically installed
a wiretap on her home.
1642
01:21:36,756 --> 01:21:38,707
And those tapes would come in,
1643
01:21:38,717 --> 01:21:42,176
and I forwarded them
to Dave Miscavige.
1644
01:21:42,226 --> 01:21:44,676
The church then turned
its attention
1645
01:21:44,706 --> 01:21:48,976
to their adopted children,
to turn them against
their mother
1646
01:21:49,016 --> 01:21:52,066
and make sure
that the custody went to tom.
1647
01:21:54,405 --> 01:21:58,235
Tommy Davis, he was my liaison
1648
01:21:58,275 --> 01:22:01,576
who had to do all the things
that are required
1649
01:22:01,606 --> 01:22:02,996
to please tom cruise
1650
01:22:03,026 --> 01:22:05,745
while he was being put through
the scientology hoops by me.
1651
01:22:05,775 --> 01:22:10,285
He also was
part of this whole
reeducation program,
1652
01:22:10,335 --> 01:22:13,455
so that they would conclude
that their mother
1653
01:22:13,505 --> 01:22:15,955
was a suppressive person.
1654
01:22:16,005 --> 01:22:18,174
And that was successful.
1655
01:22:18,204 --> 01:22:20,094
It was all going
according to plan.
1656
01:22:20,124 --> 01:22:22,845
And of course,
Miscavige would really
1657
01:22:22,885 --> 01:22:25,635
pump the oxygen
into that little fire,
you know.
1658
01:22:25,685 --> 01:22:30,084
Miscavige was brilliant
at flaming people's fears,
1659
01:22:30,104 --> 01:22:32,224
and building up their egos.
1660
01:22:34,304 --> 01:22:36,974
So you were
being audited by Marty
1661
01:22:37,024 --> 01:22:39,114
at the same time
he was auditing cruise?
1662
01:22:39,144 --> 01:22:41,423
Oh, yeah, yeah, I was...
Yeah, tom cruise.
1663
01:22:41,443 --> 01:22:43,944
Tom would go in,
and I would go in,
and tom would go in,
1664
01:22:43,984 --> 01:22:46,614
and I would go in,
and so, you know...
1665
01:22:46,654 --> 01:22:49,624
And I had been audited
by the best auditors
on the planet.
1666
01:22:49,654 --> 01:22:51,904
The best auditor, hands down,
1667
01:22:51,944 --> 01:22:54,493
I mean, like...
Like kinda Michael Jordan,
1668
01:22:54,543 --> 01:22:57,163
Wayne gretsky,
kinda auditor is Marty.
1669
01:23:00,833 --> 01:23:02,803
They stole him, you know?
1670
01:23:02,833 --> 01:23:05,953
Tom thinks he's supposed
to be David Miscavige.
1671
01:23:07,643 --> 01:23:10,303
By 2004, tom cruise
was the most gung-ho
scientologist in the world,
1672
01:23:10,343 --> 01:23:12,513
and Miscavige wanted
to recognize him for it.
1673
01:23:12,563 --> 01:23:15,293
He called it
the freedom medal of valor
1674
01:23:15,313 --> 01:23:18,852
and they put together
this 35-minute video.
1675
01:23:18,902 --> 01:23:23,772
Ias freedom medal
of valor winner, tom cruise!
1676
01:23:23,802 --> 01:23:26,143
In it, they just
pump up this idea
1677
01:23:26,153 --> 01:23:30,822
that tom cruise
is the ambassador
of scientology to the world.
1678
01:23:30,862 --> 01:23:33,532
He's known as
the biggest movie star ever.
1679
01:23:33,582 --> 01:23:35,312
Tom cruise travels this world,
1680
01:23:35,332 --> 01:23:37,482
meeting with ministers,
ambassadors,
1681
01:23:37,502 --> 01:23:39,082
and the American
state department,
1682
01:23:39,122 --> 01:23:44,121
advancing lrh technology
straight into the corridors
of power.
1683
01:23:44,171 --> 01:23:45,792
It's about improving conditions.
1684
01:23:45,822 --> 01:23:47,962
It allows you to find out
for yourself.
1685
01:23:47,992 --> 01:23:49,472
There's things
that we can do to help.
1686
01:23:49,512 --> 01:23:51,262
They even did a calculation,
1687
01:23:51,302 --> 01:23:53,431
where they figured
between his films
1688
01:23:53,471 --> 01:23:55,501
and all the "opinion leaders"
that he had met
1689
01:23:55,521 --> 01:23:57,131
and all the travel
he had done...
1690
01:23:57,171 --> 01:24:00,021
Tom cruise has introduced
lrh technology
1691
01:24:00,061 --> 01:24:03,670
to over one billion people
of earth.
1692
01:24:03,690 --> 01:24:06,981
No question,
he has been a huge asset
to them.
1693
01:24:07,031 --> 01:24:09,681
Which is why the story
of tom cruise,
1694
01:24:09,701 --> 01:24:14,821
scientologist,
has only just begun.
1695
01:24:14,851 --> 01:24:16,850
I think it's a privilege
to call yourself
a scientologist,
1696
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:18,710
and it's something
that you have to earn.
1697
01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:20,660
Scientology loves to use
this word "end phenomena."
1698
01:24:20,690 --> 01:24:23,540
Every level
has an end phenomena,
1699
01:24:23,580 --> 01:24:24,880
you know, that you attain,
1700
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,909
and tom cruise shows that.
1701
01:24:27,970 --> 01:24:30,420
That video
with him in the black
turtleneck sweater?
1702
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:32,220
A scientologist is someone
who can look at the world
1703
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:34,370
and really see what it is.
1704
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:37,510
Not only
look at it and see it,
but be able to go,
1705
01:24:37,540 --> 01:24:40,759
poof, and be effective,
and do something about it.
1706
01:24:40,849 --> 01:24:43,679
And he's as arrogant
and as untouchable
1707
01:24:43,719 --> 01:24:45,099
as could possibly be.
1708
01:24:45,149 --> 01:24:48,229
At the same time,
he looks like an utter
crazy paranoiac.
1709
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:55,029
And, uh...
I know... you know, she...
1710
01:24:55,059 --> 01:24:58,699
They, said, "so, like
have you met an sp?"
1711
01:25:03,068 --> 01:25:05,868
And I looked at her,
1712
01:25:05,898 --> 01:25:08,838
and I thought, "oh,
what a beautiful thing,"
1713
01:25:08,868 --> 01:25:11,539
because maybe one day,
it'll be like that.
1714
01:25:11,579 --> 01:25:13,679
You know what I'm saying?
Maybe one day,
1715
01:25:13,709 --> 01:25:16,548
it will be that...
"Wow. Sp's?"
1716
01:25:16,578 --> 01:25:18,128
Like, they'll just
read about those
1717
01:25:18,178 --> 01:25:20,078
in the history books, you know?
1718
01:25:20,098 --> 01:25:21,968
That's where it takes you.
1719
01:25:22,018 --> 01:25:25,608
That's the end phenomena
of the scientology bridge.
1720
01:25:25,638 --> 01:25:27,717
All scientologists
are full of shit.
1721
01:25:27,757 --> 01:25:29,887
You know, they lie.
"Aw, I'm doing great!
1722
01:25:29,927 --> 01:25:31,778
"You gotta get on seven."
1723
01:25:31,808 --> 01:25:33,778
You know, and they're fucking...
1724
01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:36,198
"I've got a fucking migraine
right now,
1725
01:25:36,228 --> 01:25:39,037
"and I've never
felt so shitty!"
1726
01:25:39,067 --> 01:25:41,437
You know,
that's the fucking life.
1727
01:25:43,787 --> 01:25:46,777
There's nothing
part of the way for me!
1728
01:25:48,947 --> 01:25:50,546
It's just... whoo!
1729
01:25:50,576 --> 01:25:52,376
He drank the kool-aid.
1730
01:25:52,416 --> 01:25:54,877
And in the eyes of Miscavige,
1731
01:25:54,917 --> 01:25:59,467
tom cruise is the perfect
scientology celebrity.
1732
01:25:59,557 --> 01:26:02,336
And nobody's benefited more
from his membership.
1733
01:26:02,386 --> 01:26:05,006
I mean, the amount
of free sea org labor.
1734
01:26:05,056 --> 01:26:08,456
Sea org members make
40 cents an hour,
1735
01:26:08,476 --> 01:26:10,266
and I don't think
there's any way
1736
01:26:10,296 --> 01:26:12,066
tom cruise is not aware of that.
1737
01:26:12,096 --> 01:26:13,436
The church
has done so much for him.
1738
01:26:13,466 --> 01:26:15,656
They tricked out all his cars
and his motorcycles.
1739
01:26:15,686 --> 01:26:19,106
"Oh, I want a new limo."
"We'll build it for you."
1740
01:26:19,136 --> 01:26:22,246
Decked out tom cruise's hangar
in Santa Monica.
1741
01:26:22,276 --> 01:26:26,325
Installed all
the audiovisual stuff
in cruise's home.
1742
01:26:26,365 --> 01:26:28,665
Tom cruise had expressed
this fantasy
1743
01:26:28,695 --> 01:26:32,005
of wanting
to run through a meadow
with Nicole Kidman.
1744
01:26:32,035 --> 01:26:34,335
And so everybody had to work,
and till the soil.
1745
01:26:34,375 --> 01:26:36,626
And then David Miscavige
didn't like it,
1746
01:26:36,706 --> 01:26:39,195
and so the whole thing
had to be ripped up again.
1747
01:26:39,225 --> 01:26:41,505
This was at the gold facility,
1748
01:26:41,545 --> 01:26:43,175
which is this desert facility,
1749
01:26:43,215 --> 01:26:45,595
where this is all kinds
of great stuff,
1750
01:26:45,635 --> 01:26:47,185
if you're tom cruise, you know?
1751
01:26:47,305 --> 01:26:48,885
Wonderful living quarters
and a gym.
1752
01:26:48,935 --> 01:26:51,554
When cruise comes up,
everyone's told in advance,
1753
01:26:51,604 --> 01:26:53,504
"you better have
a fucking smile on your face."
1754
01:26:53,524 --> 01:26:55,604
Everyone had to
call cruise "sir."
1755
01:27:18,464 --> 01:27:21,414
Thank you.
1756
01:27:21,464 --> 01:27:23,384
It's this
side-by-side world.
1757
01:27:23,424 --> 01:27:25,583
There are celebrities
like cruise and Travolta,
1758
01:27:25,633 --> 01:27:27,083
and then, you know,
there are people
1759
01:27:27,143 --> 01:27:30,393
who tell terrible tales
of what happened to them
in the church...
1760
01:27:30,423 --> 01:27:34,923
Being imprisoned
and really horrible
psychological games.
1761
01:27:37,212 --> 01:27:39,513
Tom was in Spain.
1762
01:27:39,553 --> 01:27:43,773
They were opening up
a new scientology church
in Madrid.
1763
01:27:43,823 --> 01:27:46,443
And he was overheard to complain
1764
01:27:46,493 --> 01:27:48,402
that he needed a new girlfriend.
1765
01:27:48,442 --> 01:27:52,412
Soon after that,
a young scientologist
premed student
1766
01:27:52,442 --> 01:27:55,502
named nazanin boniadi...
She was told
1767
01:27:55,532 --> 01:27:58,162
that she was going to get
a special assignment.
1768
01:27:58,202 --> 01:27:59,903
Number of transactions
increase...
1769
01:27:59,923 --> 01:28:02,842
Years later, nazanin became
a successful TV actress
1770
01:28:02,872 --> 01:28:06,262
and she would
have a small part
in a Paul Haggis film.
1771
01:28:06,292 --> 01:28:09,182
But at the time,
she was a dedicated
young scientologist
1772
01:28:09,212 --> 01:28:11,242
who believed
in the church's claims
1773
01:28:11,262 --> 01:28:13,211
for its humanitarian mission.
1774
01:28:13,251 --> 01:28:15,521
In fact,
she set a monthly record
1775
01:28:15,551 --> 01:28:18,771
for selling books
for the church.
1776
01:28:18,801 --> 01:28:22,262
Nazanin may not
speak publicly
about her experiences
1777
01:28:22,272 --> 01:28:25,281
because of an nda
the church pressured her
to sign,
1778
01:28:25,311 --> 01:28:28,591
but I discovered details
from FBI testimony
1779
01:28:28,611 --> 01:28:30,861
regarding her ordeal.
1780
01:28:30,901 --> 01:28:33,401
David Miscavige
assigned nazanin's case
1781
01:28:33,431 --> 01:28:36,040
to a key church official,
Greg wilhere.
1782
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:38,200
He put her through
a one-month program
1783
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:43,081
of on-camera interviews,
intensive auditing,
and security checks.
1784
01:28:43,111 --> 01:28:45,301
She was moved
into the celebrity center,
1785
01:28:45,331 --> 01:28:48,780
separated from her family,
and certain problems
were addressed
1786
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,380
during this period of time.
1787
01:28:50,420 --> 01:28:52,720
One was, she had a boyfriend.
1788
01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:56,670
She is handed a transcript
of his auditing session,
1789
01:28:56,730 --> 01:28:59,129
in which he admitted
that he had an affair.
1790
01:28:59,139 --> 01:29:01,179
And so she broke up with him.
1791
01:29:01,229 --> 01:29:03,510
Then wilhere took her
to an orthodontist
1792
01:29:03,570 --> 01:29:04,760
to have her braces removed.
1793
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,930
At burberry and other stores
in Beverly hills,
1794
01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:10,640
he bought her $20,000
worth of clothes.
1795
01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:12,989
At the celebrity centre,
a man who worked
1796
01:29:13,019 --> 01:29:14,569
for cruise's hair stylist
1797
01:29:14,609 --> 01:29:17,639
colored nazanin's hair
to cruise's liking.
1798
01:29:17,659 --> 01:29:19,659
Nazanin was told
that her makeover
1799
01:29:19,699 --> 01:29:22,529
was a part
of the church's
humanitarian mission.
1800
01:29:22,579 --> 01:29:26,989
She had to look
her best for conferences
with world leaders.
1801
01:29:29,369 --> 01:29:32,659
Only after she was flown
first class to New York
1802
01:29:32,679 --> 01:29:34,539
did she discover the actual role
1803
01:29:34,598 --> 01:29:36,878
that the church
wanted her to play.
1804
01:29:36,928 --> 01:29:41,628
She was to be the girlfriend
of scientology's biggest star.
1805
01:29:43,138 --> 01:29:46,359
Within a month,
nazanin was living
with cruise.
1806
01:29:46,388 --> 01:29:48,308
While at his house in Telluride,
1807
01:29:48,338 --> 01:29:49,778
Miscavige came to visit.
1808
01:29:49,808 --> 01:29:51,948
Overcome by a severe headache,
1809
01:29:51,978 --> 01:29:54,848
nazanin had a hard time
understanding Miscavige,
1810
01:29:54,878 --> 01:29:56,378
which infuriated him.
1811
01:29:56,418 --> 01:29:58,847
The next day, cruise,
inches from her face,
1812
01:29:58,867 --> 01:30:01,697
pounded his fist on the table
and screamed at her
1813
01:30:01,737 --> 01:30:03,987
for insulting the head
of the church.
1814
01:30:04,027 --> 01:30:06,357
Two weeks later,
church henchman Tommy Davis
1815
01:30:06,377 --> 01:30:08,908
delivered the news to nazanin...
1816
01:30:08,958 --> 01:30:11,407
The relationship with cruise
was over.
1817
01:30:11,467 --> 01:30:12,747
And they, according to her,
1818
01:30:12,797 --> 01:30:14,967
came to her apartment
with her mom
1819
01:30:14,997 --> 01:30:17,837
and found every photograph
of the two of them together,
1820
01:30:17,867 --> 01:30:20,807
and took them away.
Every scrap, every letter,
everything,
1821
01:30:20,837 --> 01:30:23,586
they...
As if it never existed.
1822
01:30:23,646 --> 01:30:25,596
And she was really upset,
1823
01:30:25,646 --> 01:30:28,307
because she
had been really hurt
by the whole thing.
1824
01:30:28,347 --> 01:30:30,877
And she made the mistake
of telling her friend,
1825
01:30:30,897 --> 01:30:34,236
who immediately went to tell
someone in the church.
1826
01:30:34,266 --> 01:30:36,716
She agreed to do punishments,
1827
01:30:36,736 --> 01:30:38,936
like cleaning out
the public bathrooms
1828
01:30:38,986 --> 01:30:42,026
on her hands and knees
with a toothbrush,
1829
01:30:42,056 --> 01:30:46,775
while other people she knew
were stepping over her.
1830
01:30:46,835 --> 01:30:48,785
She did nothing wrong,
other than tell her friend
1831
01:30:48,835 --> 01:30:51,336
that she was heartbroken,
and this is the way
she was treated?
1832
01:30:53,286 --> 01:30:56,236
The church claims that
Miscavige has no involvement
1833
01:30:56,256 --> 01:30:58,235
in cruise's personal life
1834
01:30:58,255 --> 01:31:02,295
and that the search
for cruise's girlfriend
never existed.
1835
01:31:05,185 --> 01:31:09,105
I wanna tell you something.
1836
01:31:09,135 --> 01:31:12,775
I have never met
a more competent,
1837
01:31:12,805 --> 01:31:15,805
a more intelligent,
a more tolerant,
1838
01:31:15,855 --> 01:31:18,095
a more compassionate being,
1839
01:31:18,115 --> 01:31:23,314
outside of what
I've experienced from lrh.
1840
01:31:23,364 --> 01:31:26,404
And I've met the leaders
of leaders.
1841
01:31:26,434 --> 01:31:28,484
Okay? I've met them all.
1842
01:31:28,534 --> 01:31:29,934
And so I say to you, sir, cob,
1843
01:31:29,954 --> 01:31:32,775
we are lucky to have you
and thank you very much.
1844
01:31:34,114 --> 01:31:36,074
While Miscavige
would do anything
1845
01:31:36,124 --> 01:31:38,244
for the church's
most famous celebrity,
1846
01:31:38,294 --> 01:31:40,164
Miscavige began to turn against
1847
01:31:40,214 --> 01:31:43,164
the sea org's
highest-ranking executives.
1848
01:31:43,214 --> 01:31:46,803
He pretty much
had international management
shut down.
1849
01:31:46,843 --> 01:31:49,093
He was into
this deep paranoia thing
1850
01:31:49,123 --> 01:31:50,643
about everybody is
out to get him.
1851
01:31:50,673 --> 01:31:53,674
He very definitely
1852
01:31:53,734 --> 01:31:56,294
wiped out
that organizational pattern
1853
01:31:56,314 --> 01:31:58,643
in order to be able
to have ultimate power.
1854
01:31:58,683 --> 01:32:00,933
In 2004,
1855
01:32:00,973 --> 01:32:03,983
Miscavige ordered
the top officers
of the sea org
1856
01:32:04,023 --> 01:32:06,273
to the scientology's gold base
1857
01:32:06,303 --> 01:32:07,823
in Southern California.
1858
01:32:07,863 --> 01:32:10,912
He forced them
to live in a pair
of double-wide trailers
1859
01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:13,332
that came to be called
"the hole."
1860
01:32:13,362 --> 01:32:15,333
The doors had bars put on them,
1861
01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:17,663
the windows all had bars
put on them,
1862
01:32:17,703 --> 01:32:20,083
and there was one entrance door
1863
01:32:20,122 --> 01:32:23,252
that a security guard
sat at 24 hours a day.
1864
01:32:23,292 --> 01:32:25,342
They had to stay there,
sleep there.
1865
01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:28,762
It stunk and,
you know, there were ants
crawling around.
1866
01:32:28,792 --> 01:32:31,042
You'd sleep about an hour
or two hours a night.
1867
01:32:31,102 --> 01:32:33,381
Um, you were
in such a mental state
1868
01:32:33,431 --> 01:32:36,102
that you're very controllable,
very suggestible.
1869
01:32:36,132 --> 01:32:38,672
We were told
we needed to come up
1870
01:32:38,692 --> 01:32:41,052
with what
each other's crimes were
1871
01:32:41,112 --> 01:32:42,892
against Miscavige and Hubbard,
1872
01:32:42,942 --> 01:32:44,891
so that we could eventually
get out of the hole.
1873
01:32:44,941 --> 01:32:47,311
Scientology is really good
1874
01:32:47,351 --> 01:32:49,701
at making you think
that you are a scoundrel.
1875
01:32:49,731 --> 01:32:53,121
"Confess your crimes!
Confess your crimes!
What have you done?"
1876
01:32:53,151 --> 01:32:54,231
Fights would break out.
1877
01:32:54,291 --> 01:32:57,071
Miscavige would get me
all riled up.
1878
01:32:57,121 --> 01:32:59,191
And I remember one time,
Mike had done something,
1879
01:32:59,211 --> 01:33:01,041
or not done something,
i don't remember,
1880
01:33:01,081 --> 01:33:02,991
and I was supposed to
go beat him up.
1881
01:33:03,031 --> 01:33:05,241
One executive was made to mop up
1882
01:33:05,301 --> 01:33:07,161
the bathroom floor
with his tongue.
1883
01:33:07,201 --> 01:33:10,030
Another was put into a bucket,
1884
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:13,000
and pummeled
by some of the women,
and called a lesbian.
1885
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,060
There was a very powerful
air conditioner,
1886
01:33:16,090 --> 01:33:17,541
which blew straight down,
1887
01:33:17,561 --> 01:33:19,640
it was set on maximum cold,
1888
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,810
and a guy was
made to sit in a chair,
1889
01:33:21,850 --> 01:33:23,480
and had water poured on his head
1890
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,770
until he literally turned blue.
1891
01:33:26,820 --> 01:33:28,940
Miscavige slapped me
across the face,
1892
01:33:28,990 --> 01:33:30,720
knocked me on the ground,
kicked me a couple times.
1893
01:33:30,740 --> 01:33:32,989
Flailing fists,
kneeing him in the stomach,
1894
01:33:33,019 --> 01:33:34,489
getting him on the floor.
1895
01:33:34,529 --> 01:33:39,060
And you think,
you want to get up
and retaliate,
1896
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,080
but you also think,
"i got 75 other people
1897
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:46,419
"who are all likely
to tackle me if I did"...
1898
01:33:46,449 --> 01:33:50,169
And then you got
the sheer shock of it.
1899
01:33:50,209 --> 01:33:52,009
Here's the equivalent
of the pope
1900
01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:54,409
suddenly knocking you
on the ground,
1901
01:33:54,429 --> 01:33:56,008
and you're thinking,
1902
01:33:56,048 --> 01:33:59,769
"i must have
really screwed up."
1903
01:34:01,719 --> 01:34:03,689
It was a poisonous environment.
1904
01:34:03,719 --> 01:34:05,889
People were really frightened.
1905
01:34:05,939 --> 01:34:08,388
And this went on for years.
1906
01:34:08,428 --> 01:34:10,558
This isn't a couple of days.
1907
01:34:10,608 --> 01:34:13,098
The nominal president
of the church,
1908
01:34:13,108 --> 01:34:14,448
this man named heber jentszch,
1909
01:34:14,478 --> 01:34:16,118
he was in there for seven years.
1910
01:34:16,148 --> 01:34:17,698
What is the statement?
1911
01:34:17,738 --> 01:34:19,597
"God helps those
who help themselves."
1912
01:34:19,617 --> 01:34:21,148
Well, in scientology,
we're engaged
1913
01:34:21,208 --> 01:34:22,868
in helping people
help themselves,
1914
01:34:22,908 --> 01:34:26,958
so they can
fully comprehend
and understand God.
1915
01:34:33,797 --> 01:34:35,637
One night,
1916
01:34:35,667 --> 01:34:38,547
Miscavige comes
into the hole with a boom box.
1917
01:34:38,587 --> 01:34:42,057
He said, "I'm gonna
teach you all a lesson.
1918
01:34:42,087 --> 01:34:44,587
"We're all gonna play
musical chairs."
1919
01:34:44,627 --> 01:34:46,227
And musical chairs
is a scientology
1920
01:34:46,257 --> 01:34:48,097
administrative term
for when you move people
1921
01:34:48,127 --> 01:34:51,517
from different posts rapidly,
and you create instability.
1922
01:34:51,567 --> 01:34:52,847
They played the damned music.
1923
01:34:58,026 --> 01:34:59,476
He said, "we're gonna play it
1924
01:34:59,486 --> 01:35:01,656
to 'bohemian rhapsody'
by queen."
1925
01:35:01,696 --> 01:35:03,247
And he emphasized the line...
1926
01:35:05,277 --> 01:35:07,696
"Nothing matters anymore."
And that's your whole attitude,
1927
01:35:07,746 --> 01:35:09,416
that's where you live,
that's who you are.
1928
01:35:09,446 --> 01:35:10,726
Playing that music, and stop it,
1929
01:35:10,756 --> 01:35:12,286
and everyone would
have to grab a chair.
1930
01:35:12,316 --> 01:35:14,316
And there's one person
left standing.
1931
01:35:21,925 --> 01:35:23,875
What Miscavige has warned them
1932
01:35:23,935 --> 01:35:27,136
is that the last person
who remains gets to stay.
1933
01:35:27,166 --> 01:35:28,496
"Everybody else,
you're expelled.
1934
01:35:28,516 --> 01:35:30,215
"You're going to be thrown out
of the sea org."
1935
01:35:30,275 --> 01:35:34,805
These people were fighting
to stay in the hole.
1936
01:35:34,845 --> 01:35:37,845
Throwing people around,
scratching, kicking.
1937
01:35:37,865 --> 01:35:40,815
They're tearing chairs apart,
they're ripping clothing.
1938
01:35:40,845 --> 01:35:42,114
And whatever it took.
1939
01:35:48,075 --> 01:35:51,455
But then nothing happens.
1940
01:35:56,524 --> 01:35:59,794
"Out of the goodness
of my heart, you can stay.
1941
01:35:59,834 --> 01:36:01,994
"But you better come clean.
You better...
1942
01:36:02,034 --> 01:36:04,214
"I better have some good
confessions out of you."
1943
01:36:04,254 --> 01:36:07,884
I... I mean, you...
You know...
1944
01:36:07,924 --> 01:36:11,094
As much as they
get into everything
that you ever think or do,
1945
01:36:11,144 --> 01:36:13,644
they never got into my think
on this score,
1946
01:36:13,684 --> 01:36:16,064
that I would never go to prison.
1947
01:36:16,094 --> 01:36:19,233
And so it was inevitable,
when I got... when I...
1948
01:36:19,263 --> 01:36:21,813
He literally created
this prison camp.
1949
01:36:21,853 --> 01:36:25,853
Um, it was inevitable
that I wasn't gonna
last there.
1950
01:36:31,333 --> 01:36:34,113
It's embarrassing to have
ever been involved with,
1951
01:36:34,163 --> 01:36:35,703
to think about it.
1952
01:36:35,733 --> 01:36:37,783
"God, I can't even believe
I'm talkin' about it."
1953
01:36:37,833 --> 01:36:39,373
But it was bad.
1954
01:36:42,092 --> 01:36:44,442
Let's say the FBI
showed up at the hole,
1955
01:36:44,472 --> 01:36:46,842
and said, "this is the FBI.
We're lettin' everyone out."
1956
01:36:46,872 --> 01:36:49,513
Do you think everyone
would have said, "oh,
thank God, the FBI's here"?
1957
01:36:49,543 --> 01:36:52,262
No. I think that everybody,
one for one,
1958
01:36:52,302 --> 01:36:54,382
would have gone,
"what do you mean?
1959
01:36:54,422 --> 01:36:56,602
"We... we're doing this
voluntarily.
1960
01:36:56,632 --> 01:36:59,102
"We like living
in these conditions."
1961
01:36:59,142 --> 01:37:00,522
Over the past week,
1962
01:37:00,562 --> 01:37:02,302
we've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse
1963
01:37:02,362 --> 01:37:03,722
inside
the church of scientology.
1964
01:37:03,782 --> 01:37:05,861
We spoke with the ex-wives
of some of the men
1965
01:37:05,891 --> 01:37:07,311
making the claims of abuse.
1966
01:37:07,361 --> 01:37:09,031
I read all of your affidavits.
1967
01:37:09,061 --> 01:37:11,062
Obviously, your ex-husbands
have made charges
1968
01:37:11,102 --> 01:37:12,532
against David Miscavige,
1969
01:37:12,572 --> 01:37:15,282
saying that
they have seen repeated acts
of physical violence
1970
01:37:15,322 --> 01:37:16,571
perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige.
1971
01:37:16,601 --> 01:37:18,701
Is... is any of that true?
1972
01:37:18,741 --> 01:37:21,241
No. No.
Not one ounce of it.
1973
01:37:21,281 --> 01:37:23,911
That's not the character
of Mr. David Miscavige.
1974
01:37:23,941 --> 01:37:27,251
My ex-wife,
Marty rathbun's ex-wife,
1975
01:37:27,281 --> 01:37:30,970
tom de vocht's ex-wife,
that were on "Anderson Cooper,"
1976
01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:33,301
they all came out of the hole!
1977
01:37:33,341 --> 01:37:35,891
They were all sent there
to do that.
1978
01:37:35,921 --> 01:37:38,141
They went back to the hole!
1979
01:37:38,181 --> 01:37:39,930
It's just ridiculous.
1980
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,430
This line
that my ex-wife said...
1981
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:45,480
I lived with Mike rinder
for over 35 years.
1982
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,770
I know every square inch
of Mike rinder's body.
1983
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,600
She said it
because she was told
to say it by Miscavige.
1984
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,740
And the proof of that is,
when tom de vocht's ex-wife
1985
01:37:53,780 --> 01:37:57,610
then repeated the same thing
over again...
1986
01:37:57,650 --> 01:37:59,660
I know every inch of him.
1987
01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:01,450
You gotta be kidding me!
1988
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:02,580
Everything that happens
1989
01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:04,449
from the church of scientology
is scripted.
1990
01:38:04,489 --> 01:38:06,499
Don't ever turn
the other cheek and acquiesce,
1991
01:38:06,539 --> 01:38:08,289
hit 'em back.
1992
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:12,509
Marty rathbun
suddenly went and leapt
on top of Mike rinder
1993
01:38:12,539 --> 01:38:14,290
and fought him to the ground
1994
01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:16,849
and started choking him
and beating him.
1995
01:38:16,879 --> 01:38:18,849
And nothing seems
to have been done about it.
1996
01:38:18,879 --> 01:38:20,769
Mr. Miscavige was not
at the property at the time.
1997
01:38:20,799 --> 01:38:22,269
Do you not have telephones?
1998
01:38:22,299 --> 01:38:23,799
Of course we have telephones.
1999
01:38:23,839 --> 01:38:26,139
I think
you're being quite rude
and quite insulting.
2000
01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:28,338
Here's the bottom line.
Here's the bottom line...
2001
01:38:28,358 --> 01:38:30,888
There is no history
of violence in the church.
2002
01:38:30,948 --> 01:38:33,808
As somebody who ran PR
for the church for a long time,
2003
01:38:33,848 --> 01:38:37,449
do you have any regret
for anything that you did
in that capacity?
2004
01:38:37,489 --> 01:38:39,898
Well, I think the biggest regret
2005
01:38:39,948 --> 01:38:44,368
is when John sweeney
at "panorama" was doing
his program,
2006
01:38:44,408 --> 01:38:46,738
it was the culmination
of a lot...
2007
01:38:46,788 --> 01:38:49,158
I mean, I'd been
in the hole for a year.
2008
01:38:49,198 --> 01:38:52,247
And I ended up
being sent to england.
2009
01:38:52,297 --> 01:38:54,827
Hi, Mike.
He was
constantly going,
2010
01:38:54,867 --> 01:38:58,338
"well, why do you
have private investigators
following me?"
2011
01:38:58,368 --> 01:39:00,468
I'm like...
That never happened!
2012
01:39:00,508 --> 01:39:02,038
Ever, ever happened!
2013
01:39:02,058 --> 01:39:03,587
And of course there were.
2014
01:39:03,637 --> 01:39:05,387
I was following John sweeney.
2015
01:39:05,427 --> 01:39:08,097
Oh, there it is.
2016
01:39:08,147 --> 01:39:11,067
Okay, there we are.
2017
01:39:11,097 --> 01:39:12,767
He's got his camera,
2018
01:39:12,817 --> 01:39:14,566
he's standing there
and he's saying,
2019
01:39:14,606 --> 01:39:18,017
"i want a response.
I have credible witnesses.
2020
01:39:18,057 --> 01:39:22,327
"Did David Miscavige
physically assault you?"
2021
01:39:22,357 --> 01:39:23,577
And I said...
2022
01:39:23,607 --> 01:39:28,076
Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.
2023
01:39:28,166 --> 01:39:30,866
Absolute, utter rubbish.
2024
01:39:30,906 --> 01:39:32,756
You have been assaulted
by Miscavige?
2025
01:39:32,786 --> 01:39:35,166
Many times, many times.
2026
01:39:35,206 --> 01:39:38,205
Perhaps more than anybody else.
2027
01:39:38,245 --> 01:39:42,426
I was now sort of
2028
01:39:42,466 --> 01:39:45,426
at the end of my rope.
2029
01:39:46,886 --> 01:39:50,215
It was a real moment
of clarity for me...
2030
01:39:50,255 --> 01:39:52,585
"I don't want
to be doing this anymore.
2031
01:39:52,605 --> 01:39:54,635
"This is nuts!"
2032
01:39:54,695 --> 01:39:59,365
That was actually
the last thing that I did
before I left.
2033
01:40:09,435 --> 01:40:13,494
So I'd been in scientology
about two and a half years.
2034
01:40:13,544 --> 01:40:15,744
I am kickin' ass.
2035
01:40:15,774 --> 01:40:19,384
I felt like I had gotten out
of the fuckin' trap.
2036
01:40:19,414 --> 01:40:22,085
I didn't have to have a problem.
2037
01:40:22,135 --> 01:40:24,415
I said,
"I'm done with auditing."
2038
01:40:24,455 --> 01:40:27,384
But they insisted
on gettin' me back,
2039
01:40:27,424 --> 01:40:30,144
and said just,
"believe us, believe us,
believe us."
2040
01:40:30,174 --> 01:40:32,894
I got so fucked up.
2041
01:40:32,924 --> 01:40:35,794
I mean, they... they...
I went insane.
2042
01:40:35,814 --> 01:40:38,843
I was, like, stuck somewhere
2043
01:40:38,903 --> 01:40:41,653
in a tiny spot
behind my eyeballs,
2044
01:40:41,683 --> 01:40:44,524
looking this way.
2045
01:40:44,574 --> 01:40:48,024
I mean, I...
I'd never experienced
anything like it.
2046
01:40:48,074 --> 01:40:50,913
10 fuckin' years!
2047
01:40:51,833 --> 01:40:55,413
I was worse than the day
that I walked in.
2048
01:40:55,453 --> 01:40:58,253
It was by design,
'cause they needed to...
2049
01:40:58,283 --> 01:41:00,253
To keep me in there.
2050
01:41:00,283 --> 01:41:01,952
So basically, they had to
2051
01:41:01,992 --> 01:41:04,623
put a whole new case on me,
so they could run it.
2052
01:41:04,663 --> 01:41:08,173
And they just kept tryin'
to fuckin' keep me stuck in.
2053
01:41:08,213 --> 01:41:09,663
It was crazy!
2054
01:41:09,693 --> 01:41:14,802
So I finally said,
"I'm going my way.
You guys go yours."
2055
01:41:14,832 --> 01:41:18,682
I was pissed. I was sad.
I was disillusioned.
2056
01:41:18,722 --> 01:41:21,942
And I thought,
"maybe somebody
could interview me,
2057
01:41:21,972 --> 01:41:24,672
"ask me some questions
about scientology."
2058
01:41:24,692 --> 01:41:28,842
How I got into scientology,
and why I got out.
2059
01:41:28,862 --> 01:41:30,652
Post this two-hour thing,
2060
01:41:30,682 --> 01:41:33,482
and it was the ♪1 thing
on YouTube for two days
2061
01:41:33,532 --> 01:41:35,522
before
it "mysteriously" disappeared.
2062
01:41:35,542 --> 01:41:36,741
The best traps...
2063
01:41:36,791 --> 01:41:39,321
You get a guy to just
keep himself in jail.
2064
01:41:39,361 --> 01:41:42,491
Right? And that's
what scientology does.
2065
01:41:42,531 --> 01:41:44,991
I started getting
all this communication
2066
01:41:45,031 --> 01:41:46,632
because of that video.
2067
01:41:46,662 --> 01:41:49,701
You know,
"you saved my family."
2068
01:41:49,721 --> 01:41:51,671
You know, "you've...
I finally had the courage
2069
01:41:51,701 --> 01:41:53,871
"to leave
after I watched your thing."
2070
01:41:53,891 --> 01:41:58,511
You know?
I mean, like,
there's blood and tears.
2071
01:41:58,561 --> 01:42:00,560
And then I started to find out,
2072
01:42:00,590 --> 01:42:02,880
you know, all the stuff
that was really happening.
2073
01:42:02,900 --> 01:42:05,010
You know, I lost money,
i got fucked,
2074
01:42:05,050 --> 01:42:08,381
but then I found out
about the abuse
in the sea org.
2075
01:42:08,401 --> 01:42:11,390
And I felt like, "fuck me,
i gotta do somethin' about it."
2076
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:14,160
And I finally
tracked down Marty rathbun.
2077
01:42:14,190 --> 01:42:15,890
Everybody thought he was dead.
2078
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:18,360
He was in fuckin' Mexico.
And I went down there,
2079
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:20,400
and I basically
convinced him to talk.
2080
01:42:20,410 --> 01:42:22,230
And, like,
"we gotta do somethin'."
2081
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:23,869
And then he started his blog.
2082
01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:29,840
There was a beating every day.
2083
01:42:29,870 --> 01:42:31,170
And if it wasn't him doin' it,
2084
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:35,089
it was from him inciting others
to do it to others.
2085
01:42:35,129 --> 01:42:36,929
I think that it's a cult.
2086
01:42:36,959 --> 01:42:39,349
I'm doin' my own thing,
i want to get on with my life.
2087
01:42:39,379 --> 01:42:41,219
I am telling the truth.
2088
01:42:41,249 --> 01:42:43,469
Suddenly I heard
senior members of the church
2089
01:42:43,519 --> 01:42:45,089
were speaking out,
2090
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:48,718
so I started to look,
and I started to read.
2091
01:42:48,758 --> 01:42:50,729
And then I started
to reach out to people.
2092
01:42:50,759 --> 01:42:53,899
Two of my daughters are gay,
and told me
2093
01:42:53,929 --> 01:42:57,279
how they'd been treated
within the church.
I didn't know.
2094
01:42:57,369 --> 01:43:00,118
Paul Haggis's daughters
were openly harassed
2095
01:43:00,198 --> 01:43:02,198
by church members for being gay.
2096
01:43:02,238 --> 01:43:04,408
Investigating further,
Haggis discovered
2097
01:43:04,438 --> 01:43:07,538
that church doctrine
viewed homosexuality
as a disease
2098
01:43:07,578 --> 01:43:10,209
that only Hubbard's teachings
could cure.
2099
01:43:10,249 --> 01:43:12,378
And a California
chapter of scientology
2100
01:43:12,418 --> 01:43:15,548
had supported a ban
on gay marriage.
2101
01:43:15,588 --> 01:43:17,748
I can't be part
of an organization
2102
01:43:17,788 --> 01:43:21,058
that doesn't support
2103
01:43:21,088 --> 01:43:23,307
human rights for everyone.
2104
01:43:25,647 --> 01:43:28,977
So I sent a letter
to 25 friends in the church
2105
01:43:29,017 --> 01:43:30,727
that I was resigning.
2106
01:43:30,767 --> 01:43:33,188
And I'd hoped
they'd read this letter
2107
01:43:33,238 --> 01:43:37,607
and be horrified
by the things I'd found out.
2108
01:43:41,657 --> 01:43:44,107
A few days later, I drive home.
2109
01:43:44,147 --> 01:43:46,366
There have to be 10 people
standing in my front yard.
2110
01:43:46,416 --> 01:43:48,746
I recognize them.
They're my friends.
2111
01:43:48,786 --> 01:43:51,646
They said, "Paul,
we need you to tear up
this letter.
2112
01:43:51,666 --> 01:43:53,867
"And we need you
to get all the copies
and tear them up,
2113
01:43:53,917 --> 01:43:55,837
"and resign quietly."
2114
01:43:55,877 --> 01:43:57,956
I said, "i don't do that."
You know?
2115
01:43:57,996 --> 01:43:59,486
"I'm sorry.
I don't do that."
2116
01:43:59,506 --> 01:44:02,256
I sent a copy to Marty rathbun.
2117
01:44:02,296 --> 01:44:04,876
He put it on his blog,
one page on a day,
2118
01:44:04,936 --> 01:44:08,046
and didn't reveal my name
until the Friday.
2119
01:44:08,106 --> 01:44:10,105
Monday morning, I woke up.
2120
01:44:10,135 --> 01:44:14,176
600 of the top newspapers
of the world had it.
2121
01:44:14,196 --> 01:44:16,356
You know, it was in Bulgaria.
2122
01:44:16,396 --> 01:44:20,316
I mean, it was reprinted
in seven languages.
2123
01:44:20,346 --> 01:44:22,815
I went, "oh my God,
what have I done?"
2124
01:44:22,845 --> 01:44:26,285
I mean... it did garner
a lot of interest.
2125
01:44:26,315 --> 01:44:27,905
People will judge you,
one way or the other.
2126
01:44:27,955 --> 01:44:31,355
I figured
people would judge me
as really stupid.
2127
01:44:31,375 --> 01:44:33,694
But then, I was really stupid.
2128
01:44:33,704 --> 01:44:38,365
I was a part of this
for 30 years before
i spoke out.
2129
01:44:38,395 --> 01:44:42,045
I felt deeply ashamed.
2130
01:44:42,085 --> 01:44:46,004
Why didn't I do it earlier?
Why didn't I look earlier?
2131
01:44:48,924 --> 01:44:52,174
People are so indoctrinated,
2132
01:44:52,214 --> 01:44:55,674
and have been in scientology
a really long, long time.
2133
01:44:55,714 --> 01:44:58,684
Or they've grown up in it,
and they don't know
anything else.
2134
01:44:58,714 --> 01:45:03,684
It's so scary to them
to have to start all over,
2135
01:45:03,724 --> 01:45:06,224
and it takes
a really strong person
2136
01:45:06,244 --> 01:45:08,404
to stand up to them and say no.
2137
01:45:10,073 --> 01:45:12,063
In 2009,
2138
01:45:12,083 --> 01:45:15,743
my son was on staff
at the church.
2139
01:45:15,783 --> 01:45:18,504
And "the truth rundown"
came out in the
"St. Pete times,"
2140
01:45:18,534 --> 01:45:21,073
exposing what was going on
2141
01:45:21,093 --> 01:45:25,093
with the beatings,
people in the hole.
2142
01:45:25,123 --> 01:45:26,623
The church was very mad
at my son,
2143
01:45:26,673 --> 01:45:28,463
because he knew
it was going to happen,
2144
01:45:28,513 --> 01:45:30,383
and he didn't tell them.
2145
01:45:30,413 --> 01:45:33,012
And he didn't tell them
because he had a good friend
2146
01:45:33,052 --> 01:45:35,352
that became friends
with Mike rinder
2147
01:45:35,382 --> 01:45:37,272
and Marty rathbun,
2148
01:45:37,302 --> 01:45:40,643
and he believed
what they were saying
in "the truth rundown."
2149
01:45:42,943 --> 01:45:45,062
The church was threatening,
2150
01:45:45,092 --> 01:45:47,892
that he was gonna get declared
a suppressive person
2151
01:45:47,932 --> 01:45:51,312
if he didn't disconnect
from his friend.
2152
01:45:51,372 --> 01:45:53,902
My son, he was raised
a scientologist,
2153
01:45:53,932 --> 01:45:56,291
you know,
and he'd been on staff.
2154
01:45:56,321 --> 01:45:58,151
He made 30 bucks a week.
2155
01:45:58,211 --> 01:45:59,992
He headed up
their boy scout troop.
2156
01:46:00,042 --> 01:46:03,742
He was like
this consummate youth
of scientology.
2157
01:46:03,782 --> 01:46:07,832
The continental justice chief
called him on the phone.
2158
01:46:07,881 --> 01:46:10,281
And it was after that
the declare came down,
2159
01:46:10,301 --> 01:46:12,971
and he was just devastated.
2160
01:46:13,001 --> 01:46:16,891
The church told his friends
everything they could find
2161
01:46:16,921 --> 01:46:21,011
in his pc folder
to ruin his reputation.
2162
01:46:21,061 --> 01:46:23,761
I wrote this petition.
2163
01:46:23,801 --> 01:46:28,571
I tried to put in everything
good that my son had done.
2164
01:46:28,601 --> 01:46:30,151
"Dear Sarah,
thank you for the letter
2165
01:46:30,191 --> 01:46:33,270
"that you sent
regarding the situation
with Nick lister.
2166
01:46:33,310 --> 01:46:38,310
"I cannot approve
that you continue
your connection with Nick."
2167
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:41,280
No one's gonna tell me
when I can and can't
speak to him.
2168
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,420
No one, but me.
2169
01:46:44,450 --> 01:46:47,590
"Your committee
of evidence findings
and recommendations
2170
01:46:47,620 --> 01:46:50,420
"recommended you
be labeled suppressive,
2171
01:46:50,460 --> 01:46:53,210
"engaging in malicious
rumor mongering
2172
01:46:53,260 --> 01:46:56,849
"to destroy the authority
or repute of higher officers
2173
01:46:56,879 --> 01:47:00,179
"or the leading names
of scientology."
2174
01:47:00,219 --> 01:47:02,349
My husband
was charged with that one,
2175
01:47:02,389 --> 01:47:03,970
because he was telling me
2176
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,009
what he read on the Internet
about David Miscavige.
2177
01:47:07,019 --> 01:47:09,389
They say,
"don't go on the Internet,
don't read.
2178
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:10,809
"Don't go to these sites."
2179
01:47:10,839 --> 01:47:14,349
From the time that I got in,
2180
01:47:14,369 --> 01:47:18,069
for 30 years, I never read
one critical thing
about scientology.
2181
01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:20,788
When I finally decided
to open my eyes and look,
2182
01:47:20,818 --> 01:47:23,068
I was shocked, just shocked.
2183
01:47:23,118 --> 01:47:25,189
But if you're a member
of the church of scientology,
2184
01:47:25,209 --> 01:47:29,039
and someone in your family,
or a friend, or your spouse,
2185
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:32,628
is skeptical or critical
of the church of scientology,
2186
01:47:32,668 --> 01:47:35,748
you are supposed to disconnect
yourself from that person...
2187
01:47:35,798 --> 01:47:39,388
Tommy Davis,
who was the spokesperson
for the church,
2188
01:47:39,418 --> 01:47:43,427
he's being asked about
the policy of disconnection.
2189
01:47:43,477 --> 01:47:46,088
Anything that's characterized
as disconnection
2190
01:47:46,148 --> 01:47:48,258
or this kinda thing,
it's just... it's just not true.
2191
01:47:48,318 --> 01:47:50,848
There isn't...
I confronted him
about this.
2192
01:47:50,878 --> 01:47:53,898
And I said,
"Tommy, I don't need
to search outside to ask for...
2193
01:47:53,938 --> 01:47:56,237
"To check research
and see if other...
2194
01:47:56,267 --> 01:47:58,437
"This has happened
to other people.
This happened to my wife.
2195
01:47:58,487 --> 01:48:01,357
"You asked her and me
to disconnect from her parents
2196
01:48:01,397 --> 01:48:03,827
"because of something trivial
they did years ago."
2197
01:48:03,857 --> 01:48:05,827
My wife disconnected from me,
2198
01:48:05,867 --> 01:48:08,917
my daughter, my son, my brother,
2199
01:48:08,947 --> 01:48:10,917
my sister, my mother,
2200
01:48:10,947 --> 01:48:12,747
all of my nieces and nephews.
2201
01:48:12,787 --> 01:48:15,257
And that is the only family
that I have.
2202
01:48:15,287 --> 01:48:17,427
You know, you label
these people suppressive
2203
01:48:17,457 --> 01:48:19,536
so that, you know,
everybody automatically...
2204
01:48:19,576 --> 01:48:21,876
They're discredited,
and they must disconnect
from them.
2205
01:48:21,916 --> 01:48:24,346
And that's how you keep
people in a bubble.
2206
01:48:24,386 --> 01:48:26,846
And that's what they do.
I mean, my son was declared
2207
01:48:26,886 --> 01:48:28,297
because he wouldn't disconnect
from his friend.
2208
01:48:28,357 --> 01:48:30,356
I was declared,
and my husband was declared
2209
01:48:30,386 --> 01:48:32,306
because we wouldn't
disconnect from my son.
2210
01:48:32,356 --> 01:48:34,056
And now guess what happened?
2211
01:48:34,086 --> 01:48:37,896
Everyone connected to us
just scatters to the wind.
2212
01:48:37,926 --> 01:48:40,066
Through all of this time,
2213
01:48:40,096 --> 01:48:43,365
I have a daughter
who's very much
into the church.
2214
01:48:43,395 --> 01:48:46,435
I have a granddaughter
2215
01:48:46,465 --> 01:48:49,906
who's the love of my life,
and who loves her Nana.
2216
01:48:49,936 --> 01:48:52,776
I was planning on talking
to my daughter,
2217
01:48:52,806 --> 01:48:55,875
and trying to tell her
what was really happening.
2218
01:48:55,915 --> 01:48:59,425
She hugged me,
she told me she loved me.
2219
01:48:59,465 --> 01:49:02,515
She said, "i have to
disconnect from you."
2220
01:49:07,894 --> 01:49:11,025
So, um...
2221
01:49:16,865 --> 01:49:20,564
I just was concentrating
on smelling her hair
2222
01:49:20,604 --> 01:49:23,374
and seeing the way she felt,
2223
01:49:23,404 --> 01:49:26,034
touching her skin on my face.
2224
01:49:28,824 --> 01:49:31,714
That's the last time I saw them.
2225
01:49:36,384 --> 01:49:38,384
It really is the crux
2226
01:49:38,424 --> 01:49:42,503
of how controlling
is any religion
2227
01:49:42,553 --> 01:49:44,843
over its adherents,
2228
01:49:44,893 --> 01:49:47,763
and scientology has perfected
2229
01:49:47,793 --> 01:49:51,143
a lot of techniques of control.
2230
01:49:51,183 --> 01:49:54,803
There is no logical explanation
2231
01:49:54,823 --> 01:49:58,433
as to why, other than faith.
2232
01:49:58,493 --> 01:50:00,803
Your future, your eternity,
2233
01:50:00,823 --> 01:50:03,993
all depends on
you going up the bridge.
2234
01:50:04,023 --> 01:50:08,032
It's scary.
It's kinda like
christianity with hell.
2235
01:50:08,082 --> 01:50:10,042
If they don't have the bridge,
they can't go free.
2236
01:50:10,082 --> 01:50:13,983
They don't believe
they can get it anywhere else.
2237
01:50:14,003 --> 01:50:16,033
It's like brainwashing.
Really simple.
2238
01:50:16,093 --> 01:50:18,342
I mean, that's a scary word,
2239
01:50:18,372 --> 01:50:21,262
and it took me a long time
2240
01:50:21,292 --> 01:50:24,342
to come to that conclusion,
that that's what's occurred.
2241
01:50:24,382 --> 01:50:26,852
You take on
2242
01:50:26,882 --> 01:50:30,331
a kind of a...
A matrix of thought
2243
01:50:30,351 --> 01:50:34,851
that is not your own.
2244
01:50:34,892 --> 01:50:37,842
I think that's how i
and other people got involved
2245
01:50:37,862 --> 01:50:39,891
and stuck through it
for so long.
2246
01:50:39,941 --> 01:50:41,981
Because when you're out,
you look at it,
2247
01:50:42,011 --> 01:50:45,561
and you go,
"what the crap
was I thinking," you know?
2248
01:50:45,621 --> 01:50:47,371
It's such a hard thing
when you do wake up.
2249
01:50:47,401 --> 01:50:49,281
You go, "oh my God."
2250
01:50:49,321 --> 01:50:51,790
Because you have this wave
of regrets.
2251
01:50:51,820 --> 01:50:55,910
I just started to think
that maybe my entire life
2252
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:57,831
has been a lie.
2253
01:50:57,861 --> 01:51:00,331
You just don't see it
happening to you.
2254
01:51:00,361 --> 01:51:03,331
You justify so much.
2255
01:51:03,371 --> 01:51:07,200
Cults, they prey on people,
suggesting that, you know,
2256
01:51:07,220 --> 01:51:09,140
you should be able
to think for yourself
2257
01:51:09,170 --> 01:51:12,920
and then tell you exactly
how you have to think,
or get out.
2258
01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:16,599
And if you get out,
there will be consequences.
2259
01:51:16,649 --> 01:51:18,350
Come on, Marty.
Got anything to say?
2260
01:51:18,380 --> 01:51:20,270
What's your name?
Why don't you answer
his question?
2261
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,020
Beat it. I said get off
my property, boy.
2262
01:51:24,050 --> 01:51:26,940
The real sustained campaign
2263
01:51:26,990 --> 01:51:29,219
began in early 2009
2264
01:51:29,239 --> 01:51:32,939
when I spoke to
the "St. Petersburg times."
2265
01:51:32,999 --> 01:51:36,159
And I'd been hounded
and hunted like wild prey.
2266
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:39,999
It's a policy of
the office of special affairs
2267
01:51:40,039 --> 01:51:41,919
authored by l. Ron Hubbard.
2268
01:51:41,959 --> 01:51:43,959
When somebody's speaking out
against scientology,
2269
01:51:44,009 --> 01:51:46,569
investigate to find out
who the instigator is.
2270
01:51:46,589 --> 01:51:48,289
I started getting calls
from the church,
2271
01:51:48,349 --> 01:51:52,848
and they're... they're really,
uh, comin' after me.
2272
01:51:52,878 --> 01:51:54,848
They showed up
at my mother's house.
2273
01:51:54,888 --> 01:51:56,768
The feeling in the pit
of your stomach
2274
01:51:56,798 --> 01:51:58,918
knowing that scientology's
chief dirty-tricks pi
2275
01:51:58,938 --> 01:52:01,259
was just
on my mother's front step.
2276
01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:04,028
They've tried to destroy me,
there's no question.
2277
01:52:04,058 --> 01:52:06,308
They create
anonymous websites about me,
2278
01:52:06,358 --> 01:52:08,858
and smear me
with a lot of garbage.
2279
01:52:08,898 --> 01:52:11,278
www.Whoistomdevocht.Com.
2280
01:52:11,318 --> 01:52:13,098
WhoispaulHaggis.Com.
2281
01:52:13,118 --> 01:52:15,487
"Paul Haggis,
the hypocrite of Hollywood."
2282
01:52:15,537 --> 01:52:19,207
"This guy is a sex pervert,"
or "this guy's a drug dealer."
2283
01:52:19,237 --> 01:52:20,958
In the meantime,
2284
01:52:20,988 --> 01:52:24,998
survey carefully
to find out what
he most values and protects.
2285
01:52:25,048 --> 01:52:27,217
Immediately draw up
a three-prong program
2286
01:52:27,247 --> 01:52:29,947
to threaten it effectively.
2287
01:52:29,967 --> 01:52:34,307
I don't value anything
more than Monique.
2288
01:52:34,337 --> 01:52:38,306
That's why this campaign
ended up on our doorstep.
2289
01:52:38,346 --> 01:52:40,146
Was she there?
2290
01:52:40,176 --> 01:52:44,147
I knew they had
their goons around.
2291
01:52:44,177 --> 01:52:49,237
And then the guy
rolls down in window
and I saw the truck.
2292
01:52:49,267 --> 01:52:51,606
And he starts filming, and I go,
2293
01:52:51,636 --> 01:52:53,806
"okay, this is not good."
2294
01:52:53,826 --> 01:52:55,306
What's goin' on?
2295
01:52:55,326 --> 01:52:57,196
Oh, we're just doing
a documentary.
2296
01:52:57,246 --> 01:52:58,446
A documentary?
2297
01:52:58,476 --> 01:53:00,696
Oh, a former scientology deal.
2298
01:53:00,746 --> 01:53:02,865
But it would
probably be a good idea
if y'all went ahead...
2299
01:53:02,915 --> 01:53:04,416
Now that you've gotten
what you need,
2300
01:53:04,446 --> 01:53:05,996
go ahead and leave the area.
Sure.
2301
01:53:06,036 --> 01:53:07,756
Okay?
2302
01:53:07,786 --> 01:53:08,986
I don't know
who these people are.
2303
01:53:09,006 --> 01:53:10,986
I don't know
what they're capable of.
2304
01:53:11,006 --> 01:53:14,325
And now that I have my son...
2305
01:53:14,345 --> 01:53:18,545
I have
a little louisville slugger
i keep next to me.
2306
01:53:18,595 --> 01:53:22,965
It's been a nonstop onslaught,
for five years.
2307
01:53:23,015 --> 01:53:24,466
I told you to leave.
Get out of here.
2308
01:53:24,506 --> 01:53:26,015
Oh no, I'm leaving.
2309
01:53:26,055 --> 01:53:27,475
You can't even
defend yourself
on this can you?
2310
01:53:27,505 --> 01:53:29,005
What's your name?
2311
01:53:29,025 --> 01:53:30,475
I gave you my name, Marty.
What's your name?
2312
01:53:30,525 --> 01:53:32,195
Marty, I gave you my name.
2313
01:53:32,225 --> 01:53:35,315
The people on Marty’s doorstep
were sent by scientology
2314
01:53:35,345 --> 01:53:37,844
because the church
had branded Marty a "squirrel,"
2315
01:53:37,864 --> 01:53:40,364
a term invented by Hubbard
for former members
2316
01:53:40,404 --> 01:53:42,184
who threatened church teachings.
2317
01:53:42,204 --> 01:53:43,854
David Miscavige had you
come all the way from...
2318
01:53:43,874 --> 01:53:45,154
Marty.
San Jose.
2319
01:53:46,495 --> 01:53:47,995
Marty!
Man ♪2: You can't do that.
2320
01:53:48,025 --> 01:53:49,404
You can't do that, Marty!
I just did it.
2321
01:53:49,464 --> 01:53:50,524
No, that's my
personal property, Marty.
2322
01:53:50,544 --> 01:53:52,374
Yeah, that's right.
2323
01:53:52,414 --> 01:53:54,214
I got arrested, man.
2324
01:53:54,244 --> 01:53:57,054
I got arrested for grabbing
this guy's glasses.
2325
01:53:57,084 --> 01:53:58,864
I said, "don't look at her."
You understand that?
2326
01:53:58,884 --> 01:54:00,923
Yeah.
I heard her.
2327
01:54:00,973 --> 01:54:03,423
Of course, the guy had been
stalking Monique for two years.
2328
01:54:03,473 --> 01:54:05,673
He looks like a leering pervert,
2329
01:54:05,713 --> 01:54:08,344
like Norman bates
from "psycho."
2330
01:54:08,384 --> 01:54:11,144
I didn't break his glasses.
2331
01:54:11,184 --> 01:54:14,983
I just removed them
from his... from his face.
2332
01:54:19,073 --> 01:54:22,823
They got it all on videotape
from their surveillance house
2333
01:54:22,863 --> 01:54:25,742
that was filming 24/7, 365,
2334
01:54:25,782 --> 01:54:28,533
for five years,
across the street from us.
2335
01:54:33,933 --> 01:54:36,133
This lawsuit
with Monique rathbun...
2336
01:54:36,173 --> 01:54:38,502
It's a brilliant legal strategy.
2337
01:54:38,542 --> 01:54:40,572
If Marty sues,
the church just says,
2338
01:54:40,592 --> 01:54:41,962
"this is
a first amendment fight.
2339
01:54:42,012 --> 01:54:43,432
"This should not be
in a court of law."
2340
01:54:43,462 --> 01:54:45,012
But Monique
was never in scientology.
2341
01:54:45,052 --> 01:54:49,802
She's suing David Miscavige
and asking to depose him.
2342
01:54:49,852 --> 01:54:53,022
And scientology
will do anything to keep him
out of that situation.
2343
01:54:53,052 --> 01:54:54,772
And the point is, judge,
2344
01:54:54,812 --> 01:54:56,972
if you let me
make my presentation,
2345
01:54:57,022 --> 01:54:58,862
on first amendment law
2346
01:54:58,892 --> 01:55:01,431
that comes from
the United States
supreme court...
2347
01:55:01,451 --> 01:55:03,231
For every court date,
2348
01:55:03,261 --> 01:55:06,061
the church hires a bevy
of high-priced lawyers.
2349
01:55:06,101 --> 01:55:09,071
They are determined
to use every legal trick
in the book
2350
01:55:09,101 --> 01:55:11,322
to keep Miscavige
from having to testify
2351
01:55:11,372 --> 01:55:14,991
about church abuses
or whether the religion
of scientology
2352
01:55:15,041 --> 01:55:17,241
is actually operated
like a business,
2353
01:55:17,281 --> 01:55:21,161
controlled by the whims
of a single individual.
2354
01:55:23,081 --> 01:55:25,970
In 2014, Miscavige celebrated
2355
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,140
the ongoing expansion
of the church,
2356
01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:30,390
but he was hiding
a terrible secret.
2357
01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:31,961
Good evening!
2358
01:55:31,981 --> 01:55:34,011
The church's
active membership
has dropped
2359
01:55:34,061 --> 01:55:35,760
to fewer than 50,000 people,
2360
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:39,960
yet the financial value
of scientology is soaring.
2361
01:55:39,980 --> 01:55:41,820
How about we just say,
2362
01:55:41,850 --> 01:55:46,860
2013 is the year
we went stratospheric?
2363
01:55:49,809 --> 01:55:51,859
The church is making investments
2364
01:55:51,909 --> 01:55:53,869
and buying
valuable real estate
all over the world.
2365
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:57,830
That financial clout
gives scientology
enormous power.
2366
01:55:57,870 --> 01:56:00,149
It's a kind of
tax-free shell company
2367
01:56:00,169 --> 01:56:05,039
growing past $3 billion
in assets.
2368
01:56:12,168 --> 01:56:15,499
The church now
no longer has a public face.
2369
01:56:15,519 --> 01:56:17,799
There's no spokespeople,
2370
01:56:17,839 --> 01:56:19,969
they don't do media interviews,
2371
01:56:20,009 --> 01:56:22,719
and that suits Miscavige.
2372
01:56:22,778 --> 01:56:24,978
There is nobody
that he is willing
2373
01:56:25,008 --> 01:56:27,848
to have be
the face of scientology
other than himself,
2374
01:56:27,858 --> 01:56:31,368
but he's afraid to
be interviewed by anybody
2375
01:56:31,398 --> 01:56:34,068
for fear that they're
gonna ask him questions
2376
01:56:34,118 --> 01:56:36,488
that he can't answer,
or doesn't want to answer.
2377
01:56:38,358 --> 01:56:40,908
Where are the checks
and balances on his power?
2378
01:56:40,958 --> 01:56:42,238
There is none.
2379
01:56:42,298 --> 01:56:44,028
So there are two things
that could happen.
2380
01:56:44,048 --> 01:56:48,077
One is, the IRS
would reconsider
its tax exemption.
2381
01:56:48,137 --> 01:56:52,417
The only other thing
is that some of these
celebrity megaphones
2382
01:56:52,467 --> 01:56:54,667
could turn against the church.
2383
01:56:54,707 --> 01:56:58,008
And tom cruise
should be leading
that chorus.
2384
01:57:01,977 --> 01:57:04,977
Is there anything
that you look back on,
2385
01:57:05,017 --> 01:57:07,387
in terms of your own career
in the church,
2386
01:57:07,397 --> 01:57:10,216
and think, "wow,
i wish I hadn't done that?"
2387
01:57:10,236 --> 01:57:13,406
You know, we talked
about karma earlier.
2388
01:57:13,436 --> 01:57:18,027
And, you know,
it still happens that
it's like it's just this...
2389
01:57:18,057 --> 01:57:22,066
I constantly get presented
with who I was,
2390
01:57:22,086 --> 01:57:24,786
and, you know,
and I constantly
don't like what I see,
2391
01:57:24,836 --> 01:57:27,366
and I sort of constantly
keep dying deaths.
2392
01:57:27,406 --> 01:57:29,286
Um, and...
2393
01:57:31,236 --> 01:57:33,406
I don't know how many
more deaths I have left,
2394
01:57:33,426 --> 01:57:36,245
but I... but I...
2395
01:57:36,265 --> 01:57:39,176
But I regret
2396
01:57:39,216 --> 01:57:42,596
and I'm ashamed of, uh...
2397
01:57:44,016 --> 01:57:46,885
The entire experience, you know?
2398
01:57:46,925 --> 01:57:49,105
What I take away from it
is that we...
2399
01:57:49,145 --> 01:57:52,055
We lock up a portion
of our own mind.
2400
01:57:52,095 --> 01:57:56,365
We... we willingly
put cuffs on.
2401
01:57:56,395 --> 01:57:59,945
We willingly avoid things
2402
01:57:59,985 --> 01:58:02,955
that will...
Could cause us pain,
2403
01:58:02,985 --> 01:58:05,735
if we just...
If we looked.
2404
01:58:05,795 --> 01:58:08,155
If we can just
believe something,
2405
01:58:08,215 --> 01:58:10,794
then we don't have to really
think for ourselves, do we?
2406
01:58:10,824 --> 01:58:14,284
And so I can't
damn these people
who aren't coming out,
2407
01:58:14,294 --> 01:58:18,464
or who are hiding
once they come out
because they're ashamed.
2408
01:58:18,504 --> 01:58:20,474
You know, I...
2409
01:58:20,504 --> 01:58:23,424
I... I feel the same shame.
2410
01:58:23,454 --> 01:58:26,844
And I just...
I'm fighting back
2411
01:58:26,894 --> 01:58:31,264
by communicating, you know?
It's a peaceful protest.
2412
01:58:31,294 --> 01:58:35,183
I want the truth to be known,
2413
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and...
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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