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- [Narrator] It's a multinational
of a particular kind,
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one you all know, some
of you may even visit it.
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It's present across the globe.
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And on the corner of your street.
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The Catholic Church.
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With its hierarchy,
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its communication
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and its very darkest secret
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pedophilia.
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In Australia, 7% of
priests are thought to have
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sexually abused minors,
4% in the United States.
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We discovered that clergymen,
found guilty of pedophilia,
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are still active, often
in contact with children.
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Thanks to internal
documents, we'll reveal how
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Church leaders protect priests accused
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of sexually abusing minors
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by sending them from country
to country, notably in Africa.
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Our investigation into
these international exiles
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took us to Cameroon
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to Argentina
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to the United States, to France
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and to Italy.
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During our travels, we
established this unprecedented map
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that regarding the transfers
of priests involved in
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cases of pedophilia.
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- [Narrator] And the victims
number tens of thousands,
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marked with scars for
the rest of their lives.
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Our investigations would
lead us all the way to
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Pope Francis.
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We'll reveal how, when he was
Archbishop of Buenos-Aires,
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he tried to influence the
Argentine Justice Department.
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We investigated the mysteries
of the Church where,
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on the altar of truth,
God's law seems to prevail
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over that of men.
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Our inquiry into the
international transfers of priests
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accused of pedophilia
begins in the United States.
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We're in Chicago, in the
shadow of this cathedral,
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to witness a very unique kind of protest.
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- [Group] Expose the truth,
protect the children.
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Expose the truth, protect the children.
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- [Narrator] All are victims
of pedophile priests.
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In their hands, portraits
of them as children
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when they were abused.
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In the US, 16,000 people have
already lodged complaints
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for sexual abuse against Catholic priests.
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These victims have joined
forces for the annual conference
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of their support group,
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SNAP: Survivor Network of
those Abused by Priests.
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- Hello everybody, great to see you again.
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And I think, it looks like
we've got a bigger group than
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last year, which is even better news.
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So, how many of you are
here for the first time?
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(cheering)
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It looks like 40%.
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Remember, that all of us
here are survivors of sexual
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assaults and betrayals during our youth.
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So if you are looking for
an opportunity to share your
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experience with people who
truly get it, this is the place.
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- [Narrator] Recently, the
organization has seen abuse
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victims from all over
the world join its ranks.
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It has become the
Internationale of those abused
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by the Church.
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- Where are you from? Chile.
- Santiago, Chile.
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- I'm from Germany, from Berlin.
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- I was sexually abused in
Mexico when I was 14 years old.
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- I'm actually from the Philippines.
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I was abused by just one
for three, three years!
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I was 15 years old.
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- I was abused as a teen
for a long period of time.
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It was with an oblique priest,
is name was Jack McCan,
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in Vancouver, Canada.
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- [Narrator] Accounts
from over 50 countries.
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At the end of the
conference, we talk to one of
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the activists, Anne Barett Doyle.
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Thanks to reports from
victims, SNAP is the only group
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to have been able to establish
a list of priests worldwide
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allegedly involved in pedophilia cases.
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- We only include those priests
who have been accused of
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child sexual abuses in a
credible public document.
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It was to be either a court
document that's publicly
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accessible, or a mainstream news outlet.
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- [Narrator] She began
her work 14 years ago.
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In the States, these activists
publish the names and photos
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of accused priests on the
Internet, to try to ensure they
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never come into contact
with children again.
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- This is just the letter
A, and it just keeps going.
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- How many names at the end, so far?
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- So, all in the entire
database we have 4,400 names.
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- Do you have any French
names in the list?
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- We do have several.
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So Father Rivoire is a
troubling case because he abused
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this young boy and Marius,
an Inuit boy, did report
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the abuse eventually
within statute, but Rivoire
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was fled.
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In 1993 it somehow spirited
him back to France were
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he lives safely now.
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That's not the case of
his victim who took his
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own life in December of 2012.
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- [Narrator] To avoid justice,
one French priest accused
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of the sexual abuse of
minors is thought to have
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fled Canada and be in hiding in France.
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The story barely seems credible.
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We contacted the sister of one of
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the priest's presumed victims.
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Theresie Tungalik speaks
to us from northern Canada,
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deep in Inuit territory.
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Her brother Marius
Tungalik committed suicide
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five years ago.
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He had filed a complaint
against the French priest.
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She has sent us some old photos of her and
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her kid brother and one of Father Rivoire.
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- [Man] How old would be Marius today?
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- He would be 58 today.
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- [Man] Do you think
the what happened to him
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when he was a child was
responsible of that,
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why he decided to die?
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- Of course, of course.
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Marius never left him, even
when he became an outlaw.
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He could not sleep in the
dark, he was still afraid.
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- [Man] Do you think
Marius was the only victim
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of mister Rivoire?
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- No, I know someone, people.
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He has ruined so many people's lives.
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This man doesn't deserve to be free.
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If we can get Rivoire
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behind bars on Canadian
soil, it will be a message to
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the other priests who
take them and get away
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with things like this.
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- [Narrator] We get our hands
on the warrant issued to
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the Canadian police for
Father Rivoire's arrest.
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They have been after
the priest since 1998.
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On it, we discover the name of Marius,
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but also two other boys, made anonymous by
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the police with black lines.
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A girl of 14 is also
among the alleged victims.
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In all, the priest is thought
to have abused four children
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Finally, in the top left-hand
corner, a vital piece
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of information, the name of
the town where the priest
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is believed to be hiding,
Goult in France, a small town
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in the Vaucluse where
there's a monastery belonging
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to his community.
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So we catch the train to Strasbourg.
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That's right, because in
the meantime, we've got hold
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of some internal documents
from his community,
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Father Rivoire has been
transferred several times.
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After Arviat in Canada,
he didn't stay in Goult,
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as presumed by the Canadian police.
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He apparently went next
to Thurins near Lyon.
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And that's where we lost track of him.
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But after several months of
inquiries, during a phone call,
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a priest from a priory where
Father Rivoire had stayed,
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unwittingly gives us a new lead.
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- [Narrator] The priest,
wanted by the Canadian police
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for 19 years for sexually
abusing four children,
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seemingly lives here, in Strasbourg,
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among his religious community.
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From now on, we'll film
with a hidden camera.
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- [Narrator] Our information was correct.
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- [Narrator] The priest is here
at the end of the corridor.
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- [Narrator] We show him the
photo of the young Inuit,
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Marius Tungalik.
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- [Narrator] How can a priest
accused of the sexual abuse
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of minors change countries
and homes and stay out of
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the clutches of the police
and justice for almost
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20 years, and is it an isolated case?
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One man may have an explanation.
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Back in the United States,
we've arranged to meet
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a former American priest.
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Patrick Wall, since the
1990s, he has been a close-up
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witness of pedophile scandal.
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- Joining the monastery as a
very idealistic 20-year-old,
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and though I was going
to be a monk, a priest,
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and unfortunately, it didn't
work out that way because
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so many sex abuses came forward,
that I ended up actually
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being ordained early to go
work on and follow sex abusers
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who were being withdrawn.
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And at that point, at the
age of 32, I had to make
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a moral decision,
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Am I going to support this institution?
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Am I part of this? Or do I
have to find a different path?
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And that's why I chose
to take a different path,
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to help survivors.
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- [Narrator] Since then,
Patrick Wall has become
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a whistle-blower, an
expert called on to testify
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in over 2,000 cases of priests
accused of sexual abuse.
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According to him, the
Catholic Church has developed
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a system to exfiltrate pedophile priests.
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That's the same pattern
we've seen in Australia,
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it's the same pattern we've
seen in the United States,
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it's the same pattern
we've seen in Canada,
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it's the same pattern in
Ireland, in England, in Italy.
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It's honestly, it's the DNA
of the Roman Catholic system.
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And I like to call this
the geographic solution.
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So, what's the bishop means
to do then he finds out that
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the priest is a perpetrator.
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And then at that point,
he simply moves him to
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a different spot, where the
previous scandal is not known.
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- [Man] And if it's not enough?
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- He moves him outside the country!
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That's that's a geographic solution.
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You can move him from
continent to continent as long
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as he can speak the
language that is needed.
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It looks legitimate, and
so he's gonna be accepted
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without question.
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That's why the danger comes in.
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- [Narrator] An anonymous source
would provide us with proof
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of the geographical solution
described by Patrick Wall.
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One evening, we receive
dozens of internal documents
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from the Community of Saint John.
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500 brothers present throughout the world.
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This French community
is highly controversial,
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it has the highest number
of priests found guilty
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of pedophilia in recent
years, three since 2012.
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And there are thought
to have been more cases
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of sexual abuse, it's all
there in back and white!
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As we turn the pages, we
get a strange feeling,
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the community seems to
have become a master in
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the art of the international
displacement of priests
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suspected of sexually abusing children.
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Among the pile of documents from
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the Community of Saint
John, one recent letter
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draws our attention,
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and sends us rushing to the airport.
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Here's the letter: signed by
a high-ranking Church official
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this archbishop from Cameroon.
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He wrote to the head of the
Community of Saint John,
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having decided to exclude it from diocese,
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several Saint John priests.
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He explained himself.
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Reverend Brother,
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some brothers of Saint John got themselves
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into situations of extreme gravity.
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The brothers in question were
about to be hauled in front of
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the courts at a risk of dirtying
the image of our Church.
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I've used all my weight to
make sure this did not happen.
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What had these French priests
done to incur the wrath
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of an archbishop?
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In Cameroon, a mostly Catholic country,
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the Community of Saint
John is an institution.
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The brothers run one of
the biggest high schools in
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Yaounde, the capital.
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But in Bertoua in the east of the country,
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the Brothers of Saint John have left town.
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Until 2014, they oversaw this cathedral,
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the biggest in the region.
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We go to see the archbishop,
the one who asked
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the Saint John priests to leave.
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Monsignor Atanga, one of
the African representatives
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of the Vatican.
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- [Narrator] We tried
to dig deeper, but...
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- [Narrator] Yes, thank you
for your precious comments,
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Your Grace, but they
weren't exactly helpful!
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At the cathedral of Bertoua
we'll discover the reasons
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why the Saint John brothers
hurriedly left own:
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another alleged case of pedophilia.
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The sexual abuse of a number of boys.
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For three days, we try to
find these presumed victims.
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In this city, where the
Catholic Church is omnipresent,
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it's hard to broach the subject.
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Finally, we find one of the
kids who was supposedly abused
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by the priest, today, he's 15.
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- [Narrator] We show him
one of the Community's
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internal documents that
we managed to procure:
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the mug shots of all
the Saint John brothers
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across the globe, 508 in all.
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- [Narrator] This priest had
indeed been posted in Bertoua.
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- [Narrator] After a few
weeks, the boy finally
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admitted everything to his parents.
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They immediately went together
to the Bertoua law courts
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to file a complaint.
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But here, nobody touches the Church.
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- [Narrator] In Bertoua,
the justice of men
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seems to serve men of God.
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We have an appointment
with a civil servant
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inside the Ministry of Justice.
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We film discreetly.
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She confirms the closeness
between the Church
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and one of the top judges.
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- [Narrator] The civil
servant gives us an excerpt
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from the victim's testimony.
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The name of Father
Emmanuel appears nowhere.
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Instead, he's merely designated as
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(speaking foreign language), the priest.
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- [Narrator] Before leaving Bertoua,
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we meet another presumed victim.
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He too picks out Father
Emmanuel from the mug shots.
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- [Narrator] Where is Father Emmanuel now,
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the French priest accused
of sexually abusing
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at least two boys?
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Among the Community's internal documents
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are the postings made in 2016.
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Since being expelled
from Bertoua in Cameroon,
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Father Emmanuel appears
to be in Bologna in Italy.
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- [Narrator] We wait for the
Father outside the priory.
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After a few hours...
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- [Narrator] He finally shows up!
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We film discreetly.
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- [Narrator] Very subtle
indeed, children are manipulated
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by the archbishop, but
Father Emmanuel offers
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another explanation.
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- [Narrator] According to Father
Emmanuel, nothing happened.
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But why then was he
shipped out of Cameroon
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when he could have been
posted to another diocese
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in the country?
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In Bologna, his new superior explains.
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He doesn't know we're filming.
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- [Narrator] So the Community
of Saint John shipped
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Father Emmanuel off to
Bologna so he wouldn't
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be anywhere near any kids!
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But when we leave the priory,
two posters catch our eye,
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(speaking foreign language) and
(speaking foreign language).
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A theater inside the priory!
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- [Narrator] It's then
that the penny drops.
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- [Narrator] After all
this to-ing and fro-ing
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in the world of Saint John,
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we had a few questions for
the head of the community.
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On the case in Bertoua in Cameroon,
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but also on the other
documents in our hands.
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The Saint John public
relations director emailed us,
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Dear sir.
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We are prudent about the televised press,
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especially when sensitive
subjects are concerned.
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After long reflection,
we prefer to decline your
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request for an interview.
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Regarding the departure
of the brothers from
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the cathedral in Bertoua, we
had every reason to believe
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that these rumors were
ungrounded, the same conclusion
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that the local police and
justice obviously reached,
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because they pressed no charges
after their investigation.
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I send you cordial
greetings and my prayers.
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Not exactly a satisfactory reply!
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So we check up on the
schedule of the head of
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the Community of Saint John.
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He's due to fly to Addis Ababa in Ethiopia
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today from Charles de Gaulle
Airport outside Paris.
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We wait for Brother
Thomas Joachim with a sign
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to grab his attention,
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and it works!
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- [Narrator] Despite
our frequent requests,
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the Community of Saint
John refused to grant
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us an interview.
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During our investigation,
we discovered other examples
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of the international transfer of priests
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accused of pedophilia.
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We could have chosen to
tell you about this priest,
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from Lyon, who, after being
accused of sexual abuse
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by one young teenager,
was moved to Guinea.
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Or this one, with an
international arrest warrant
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for sexually abusing children in France
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hanging over his head,
now in refuge in Lebanon.
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Or this one, an Italian,
wanted for sexually abusing
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eight boys, transferred to Mozambique.
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At the heart of the Catholic
Church, how many cases
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are there of priests moved
from country to country
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due to suspicion of
sexual abuse on minors?
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We tried to add them up.
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Over three months, we
contacted the main victims'
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groups around the world.
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Each gave us their list
of transferred priests.
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Then we called whistle-blowers, attorneys,
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judges.
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And all cross-checked with
local newspaper articles.
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We only took into account
priests moved since 1990.
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There were so many
cases, we had to see this
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on the big screen!
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So we booked the biggest
panoramic movie theater in Paris!
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We compiled all of the data onto a map.
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To discover it with us, is Father Joulain.
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- [Narrator] A French clergyman
with a unique profile:
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he's both a priest and a therapist.
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He sees sexual abuse victims.
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But also the priests accused of it.
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That's right, and he's the
only French man of the cloth
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to accept our invitation.
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(beeping)
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- [Narrator] As you can
imagine after this interview,
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our attention turned to
the Vatican, the Holy See,
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the place where the
Church's laws are made.
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The place where punishments
against pedophile priests
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are meted out.
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But we discovered that even
inside the Vatican government,
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high-ranking officials have been accused
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of covering for priests
accused of pedophilia.
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After several months of
discussion, the Vatican chose
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this priest to answer our questions.
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Father Zollner, an adviser
to the Pope on sexual abuse
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issues.
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He also sits on the Commission
for the Protection of Minors,
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a body founded by Pope
Francis two years ago.
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- You have been appointed
to this commission.
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What has the commission done since then,
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and do you think it's enough?
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- We have people from all
continents on this commission,
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we have experts from different
fields so psychology,
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psychiatry, law,
international law, social work
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and theology and we try to
discuss what can be next
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steps to help the Pope
to set up new measures
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to be more incisive in the
life of local churches.
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- Okay, and there is still lot to do, no?
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- My expression for this is:
this is a generational task.
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We will not finish within
two years or five years,
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we will have to work long term,
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between 15, 20 maybe 30 years.
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- I wanted to show you something:
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these are the 10 cardinals
that are usually considered
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as the most powerful of the Vatican.
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This is the C9, right?
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- It's an advisory board.
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- Okay and here, Gerhard Muller,
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prefect of the Congregation
of the Doctrine
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on the Faith.
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Among these 10 cardinals,
four are accused of
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having covered up pedophile priests.
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You know that of course?
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- Sure!
- What do you think of it?
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- I have no particular
knowledge about any of them,
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I, I, I don't know.
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- You just said to me you knew it.
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- I know that there are
allegations but I don't know what,
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what is the background of these cases.
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I am not an investigator.
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- You want me to be more precise?
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- Sure.
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- Okay, George Pell, so
he's here, in Australia,
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few months ago in front of the
Australian Royal Commission
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on Sexual Abuses, within the
church, we recognized knowing
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sexual abuses from Australian
priests but did not denounce
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them to justice.
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So, what do you think
of him being in the C9
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with that story?
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- I have been to Australia
last year, I have traveled,
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I have been in the diocese
and I met with three survivors
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from the school where
Cardinal Pell was at that time
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the vice-director of the school.
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And Cardinal Pell will engage
to cooperate with justice
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and to cooperate in
the sense of setting up
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safeguarding measures.
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- Sure, but when he says
he will, this is future.
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But he didn't denounce
sexual abuses before
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and he is on the C9.
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- He'd admitted that.
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- Is it shocking for you or not?
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- Of course it is shocking yes.
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- For him to be in the C9
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and not having denouncing
sexual abuses on minors?
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- Yeah, sure.
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- Sure. Francisco
Errazuriz, in Chile, here.
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Documents have showed that Errazuriz
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has waited five years after
the first victim spoke out
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to take action
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and to remove the priest, Father Caradima,
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and the fire Father Caradima
has been since proven guilty
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by the Vatican of sexual abuses.
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He's here, still in the C9.
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- Yeah, I'm not responsible
for the appointments in the C9.
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- No, but what do you think of it?
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- I'm not the one who decides on that.
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- [Woman] But, what do you think?
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- I think that they will stay as long
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as the Pope wants them there.
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- Thank you very much.
- Thank you.
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- [Narrator] It seems then that
only the Pope has the power
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to punish his cardinals.
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So why doesn't he take stronger action?
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Maybe because he too faced accusations
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in his homeland of Argentina,
long before his election.
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- [Narrator] When he was
Archbishop of Buenos Aires,
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he apparently tried to have
a pedophile priest acquitted.
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To understand, we took one last flight.
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In our baggage, this book
of interviews with the Pope.
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On page 54, the Pope tackles the question
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of pedophile priests.
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He writes, it never
happened in my diocese.
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On the Holy Father's
word! But is it the truth?
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In Buenos Aires, along with God,
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or rather Diego Maradona,
the Pope is a star.
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His face is everywhere.
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And yet, some refuse to share
in this iconographic cult.
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In the city center, we
have arranged to meet
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a group of victims.
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They were abused by priests in
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the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires.
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They alerted Pope Francis
when he was their Archbishop.
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- [Narrator] As Archbishop
of Buenos Aires,
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Pope Francis was seemingly
deaf to the distress
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of these victims.
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But apparently it's worse,
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in another case concerning other victims,
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some believe he willfully tried to divert
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the course of justice.
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It's the Father Grassi case.
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The biggest pedophilia scandal
in the Argentinean Church.
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Julio Cesar Grassi was one
of the best-known priests
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in the country.
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Very influential and often
in the media spotlight.
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(speaking foreign language)
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He ran a huge orphanage.
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Until some of the children
there lodged a complaint
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against him for sexual abuse.
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In 2009, he was sentenced
to 15 years in prison.
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Still today, he's behind bars.
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00:45:20,434 --> 00:45:22,806
But the Argentinean Church
did all in its power
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to have him acquitted.
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00:45:26,681 --> 00:45:29,309
Juan Pablo Gallego represented
Father Grassi's child
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00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:30,142
victims.
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00:45:31,892 --> 00:45:35,524
A trial spread over 15
years and opposite him,
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the most renowned attorneys in the land!
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But also the Catholic Church.
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- [Narrator] Don't be
fooled by the cover which
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makes you think it's a book,
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00:46:02,466 --> 00:46:06,239
this 2800-page counter-inquiry
is a confidential,
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00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,572
internal, Argentinean Church legal text!
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00:46:11,601 --> 00:46:14,588
Inside, the children are
accused of falsifications,
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lies, deceit and invention.
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00:46:17,458 --> 00:46:21,458
Even their own sexual
orientation is questioned.
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00:46:22,866 --> 00:46:26,581
The conclusion is clear: the
court's decision was wrong,
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00:46:26,581 --> 00:46:30,164
Father Grassi had to
be acquitted on appeal
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00:46:31,598 --> 00:46:34,015
One paragraph caught our eye.
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This work was commissioned in 2010
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by The Argentine Episcopal Conference
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00:46:39,478 --> 00:46:43,347
particularly by its then
president, Cardinal Bergoglio,
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00:46:43,347 --> 00:46:44,764
now Pope Francis.
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00:46:49,312 --> 00:46:52,022
So the Pope did then
commission a counter-inquiry to
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try to have a priest
to have been sentenced
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for pedophilia acquitted.
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00:46:57,297 --> 00:47:00,134
And it's said that Jose
Bergoglio, the future Pope,
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actually sent it to the judges.
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With a shrewd sense of timing,
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before Father Grassi's
various appeal hearings.
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One of the magistrates
who received a copy of
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the counter-inquiry agreed to meet us.
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00:47:15,493 --> 00:47:18,073
Carlos Mahiques, a
former Appeal Court Judge
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00:47:18,073 --> 00:47:22,622
and former Minister of Justice,
is today a High Court Judge.
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00:47:22,622 --> 00:47:24,117
It's the first time he's spoken
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00:47:24,117 --> 00:47:26,997
openly about the Grassi case.
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00:47:26,997 --> 00:47:28,547
He remembers very well the day he found
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00:47:28,547 --> 00:47:31,297
this counter-inquiry on his desk.
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- [Narrator] But finally useless.
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00:48:16,965 --> 00:48:19,171
Father Grassi's sentence
was upheld at both
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00:48:19,171 --> 00:48:22,004
the Appeal's Court and High Court.
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00:48:23,179 --> 00:48:24,721
At the center of the counter-inquiry
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00:48:24,721 --> 00:48:25,889
commissioned by the Pope when he was
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00:48:25,889 --> 00:48:27,726
Archbishop of Buenos Aires,
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00:48:27,726 --> 00:48:30,187
is the account of a boy, an orphan,
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00:48:30,187 --> 00:48:32,354
the main victim of Grassi.
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00:48:34,398 --> 00:48:36,736
Since the case blew up in the early 2000s,
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00:48:36,736 --> 00:48:40,886
it's the first time he has
agreed to talk to a reporter.
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00:48:40,886 --> 00:48:42,593
He wants to remain anonymous,
552
00:48:42,593 --> 00:48:45,843
because he's still afraid of reprisals.
553
00:49:41,771 --> 00:49:43,138
- [Narrator] The Pope has never publicly
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00:49:43,138 --> 00:49:45,555
commented on the Grassi case.
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00:49:47,551 --> 00:49:49,514
For eight months, we
tried to get an interview
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00:49:49,514 --> 00:49:51,347
with the Holy Father.
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00:49:51,347 --> 00:49:54,014
Dozens of requests, all refused.
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00:49:57,298 --> 00:50:01,219
So at the Vatican, we
tried to meet His Holiness.
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00:50:01,219 --> 00:50:06,025
He was to hold a public audience
on Saint Peter's Square.
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00:50:06,025 --> 00:50:08,942
To get anywhere near him,
you need to be up very early
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00:50:08,942 --> 00:50:12,859
and to slip into the long
line of the faithful.
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00:50:19,224 --> 00:50:21,061
The doors open.
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00:50:21,061 --> 00:50:23,266
Like at a concert, you
have to sprint to the front
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00:50:23,266 --> 00:50:25,099
to get the best places
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00:50:29,282 --> 00:50:33,344
Mission accomplished,
we're in the front row.
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00:50:33,344 --> 00:50:35,847
We split up, one part
of the crew films from
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00:50:35,847 --> 00:50:37,514
the Vatican terrace.
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00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:45,506
We want to give Pope
Francis a letter with all
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00:50:45,506 --> 00:50:47,710
our questions on his supposed role in
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00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:51,877
the attempt to divert the
course of justice in Argentina.
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00:50:58,986 --> 00:51:01,819
Thousands of people have gathered.
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00:51:02,856 --> 00:51:06,856
We'll need a miracle to
get to talk to the Pope.
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00:51:10,045 --> 00:51:13,545
A few hours later, the popemobile arrives.
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00:51:27,827 --> 00:51:30,744
The third time it passes, we shout.
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00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,269
We manage to give him our letter.
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00:51:44,485 --> 00:51:46,985
And then, a few minutes later.
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00:52:25,552 --> 00:52:28,670
- [Narrator] Despite our quick
chat, neither Pope Francis
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00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:33,337
nor any Vatican official has
ever answered our letter.
579
00:52:33,337 --> 00:52:36,750
(speaking foreign language)
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00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:39,791
At the end of this investigation,
there's one question.
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How can the Catholic
Church retrieve itself
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00:52:41,714 --> 00:52:43,964
from these guilty silences?
583
00:52:45,132 --> 00:52:48,180
Clergymen from a number of
countries, such as Belgium,
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00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:51,429
the United States and the
Netherlands are mobilizing
585
00:52:51,429 --> 00:52:53,481
and launching national inquiry commissions
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00:52:53,481 --> 00:52:56,597
on sexual abuse within the Church.
587
00:52:56,597 --> 00:52:58,804
All victims are listened to,
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00:52:58,804 --> 00:53:01,183
and the spotlight has
fallen on the responsibility
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00:53:01,183 --> 00:53:03,141
of the bishops.
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00:53:03,141 --> 00:53:06,019
So, let us pray, may the Vatican order
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00:53:06,019 --> 00:53:09,276
a worldwide inquiry commission
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00:53:09,276 --> 00:53:12,012
so that that past scars may be healed
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and we may still have faith in the future.
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(calm foreboding music)
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