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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,830 --> 00:00:08,834 [Pivar] The story is-is more bizarre than-than people begin to realize. 2 00:00:08,965 --> 00:00:13,361 [Oxenberg] She says, "Jeffrey has to have three orgasms a day, 3 00:00:13,491 --> 00:00:17,887 and I help him 'cause I cannot keep up with his libido." 4 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:21,108 [Farmer] Ghislaine would go and get people out of Central Park. 5 00:00:21,238 --> 00:00:24,415 And I saw her give her phone number to a girl, 6 00:00:24,546 --> 00:00:26,678 and then that child showed up. 7 00:00:26,809 --> 00:00:29,855 Miss Maxwell did explain that there would be a lot of women around. 8 00:00:29,986 --> 00:00:32,466 [Miles] She said, "You'll see lots of bees around the honey pot, 9 00:00:32,554 --> 00:00:34,730 but I'm the queen bee, always remember that." 10 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:38,864 Miss Maxwell is the reason that I was abused. 11 00:00:38,995 --> 00:00:41,302 She led me into that situation. 12 00:00:41,432 --> 00:00:44,044 [Helm] Everybody wants to talk about him, 13 00:00:44,174 --> 00:00:46,437 and it's not focused on Ghislaine. 14 00:00:46,568 --> 00:00:51,399 She facilitated it. She made the network happen. 15 00:00:56,012 --> 00:00:59,885 I love the smell of the ocean spray. 16 00:01:00,016 --> 00:01:02,018 The sound of the waves. 17 00:01:02,149 --> 00:01:05,369 The cry of the sea birds. 18 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:08,111 The sunsets, the sunrises. 19 00:01:09,547 --> 00:01:11,375 I love the ocean. 20 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:18,339 [reporter] In New York, stunning testimony today 21 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:20,993 from an alleged victim in the sex trafficking trial 22 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:24,126 of Jeffry Epstein's companion Ghislaine Maxwell. 23 00:01:24,214 --> 00:01:26,322 [reporter 2] The first of Ghislaine Maxwell's four accusers, 24 00:01:26,346 --> 00:01:28,958 testifying under the pseudonym Jane, 25 00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:30,742 graphically described the first time 26 00:01:30,873 --> 00:01:33,832 Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused her. 27 00:01:33,963 --> 00:01:36,269 Some of the details are absolutely harrowing. 28 00:01:36,357 --> 00:01:38,968 Maxwell, she says, fondled her breasts. 29 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:43,233 Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted her with sex toys 30 00:01:43,364 --> 00:01:45,844 when she was 14 years old. 31 00:01:45,975 --> 00:01:48,717 It's a trial a quarter century in the making. 32 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:50,632 And of course since that time, 33 00:01:50,762 --> 00:01:53,722 the victims have been looking for a reckoning. 34 00:01:53,852 --> 00:01:55,917 [Sigrid McCawley] I've been working with the survivors 35 00:01:55,941 --> 00:01:57,943 of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 36 00:01:58,074 --> 00:02:00,990 for about seven years now. 37 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:05,212 I think for any of the women who are being called to testify, 38 00:02:05,342 --> 00:02:08,084 there's a lot of anxiety with having to face your abuser 39 00:02:08,214 --> 00:02:10,042 in a court of law. 40 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:11,890 There will be a lot of relief in this as well, 41 00:02:11,914 --> 00:02:13,785 because they'll have the opportunity 42 00:02:13,916 --> 00:02:16,832 to talk to the jurors about what happened to them. 43 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:19,748 There's been a lot of speculation 44 00:02:19,878 --> 00:02:23,317 about why it took so long for Maxwell to be held accountable. 45 00:02:23,447 --> 00:02:25,971 That involves power and privilege 46 00:02:26,102 --> 00:02:29,671 in a way that was unique to this circumstance. 47 00:02:30,933 --> 00:02:33,414 Well, there's so many of us that have walked around 48 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:37,853 feeling like we don't have the right to speak up for ourselves. 49 00:02:37,983 --> 00:02:40,029 I definitely need to be here to show her 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,989 that everything that she's taken from me, 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,642 I'm taking it all back. 52 00:02:47,689 --> 00:02:49,865 It has to be the turning point, 53 00:02:49,995 --> 00:02:53,695 that society as a whole puts that stake in the ground, 54 00:02:53,825 --> 00:02:55,566 draws that line and says 55 00:02:55,697 --> 00:02:58,656 you cannot get away with these things 56 00:02:58,787 --> 00:03:01,311 just because of who you are and how much money you have. 57 00:03:01,442 --> 00:03:04,053 [dramatic music] 58 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:18,937 [dialing telephone] 59 00:03:19,024 --> 00:03:21,505 [ringing tone] 60 00:03:21,592 --> 00:03:24,595 [ticking] 61 00:03:49,141 --> 00:03:52,928 [Spencer Kuvin] I'm an attorney practicing in West Palm Beach, Florida. 62 00:03:53,058 --> 00:03:55,539 I represented one of the first young victims to come forward 63 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:58,890 here in Palm Beach County against Mr. Epstein. 64 00:03:59,021 --> 00:04:02,198 Through that process we began to understand 65 00:04:02,329 --> 00:04:07,638 the full breadth of Mr. Epstein's sexual conspiracy, 66 00:04:07,769 --> 00:04:10,250 and the organization which involved Maxwell, 67 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:11,879 as well as many of the other young girls 68 00:04:11,903 --> 00:04:13,731 that she had trained. 69 00:04:40,932 --> 00:04:44,893 These were young girls, some of them as young as 14 years old, 70 00:04:45,023 --> 00:04:47,635 who did not have the wherewithal to understand 71 00:04:47,722 --> 00:04:50,768 what they were getting themselves into. 72 00:04:50,899 --> 00:04:52,659 [police officer] The premises desired to be searched 73 00:04:52,683 --> 00:04:54,729 is a two-story, single-family residence, 74 00:04:54,859 --> 00:04:57,166 occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein, 75 00:04:57,297 --> 00:05:00,169 white male, date of birth 1.20.53. 76 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:02,321 [Spencer Kuvin] The first young lady that I represented 77 00:05:02,345 --> 00:05:04,608 never specifically mentioned Maxwell. 78 00:05:04,739 --> 00:05:06,436 But there was this older, British, 79 00:05:06,523 --> 00:05:08,743 distinguished lady behind the scenes. 80 00:05:08,873 --> 00:05:11,920 They didn't know who she was. She was answering the door. 81 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:14,183 She was escorting people through. 82 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:16,553 She was telling them, "Oh, go up there. Go into that room," 83 00:05:16,577 --> 00:05:18,666 or "Go into the kitchen." 84 00:05:18,796 --> 00:05:21,669 When my clients visited, they would frequently see 85 00:05:21,799 --> 00:05:25,020 pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell with very famous individuals, 86 00:05:25,150 --> 00:05:29,111 and it was very clear she was very wealthy and powerful. 87 00:05:29,241 --> 00:05:32,462 But at the beginning we weren't really focused on her, 88 00:05:32,593 --> 00:05:36,423 so we never learned the full breadth of her part in this 89 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:38,120 until much later on. 90 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:40,078 We were focused on Epstein. 91 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:42,385 Later during the investigation, 92 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:44,909 when interviewing and conducting the deposition, 93 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,739 the name Maxwell would come up repeatedly. 94 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:50,804 Ghislaine Maxwell was a lot more than just someone 95 00:05:50,828 --> 00:05:52,917 who stayed in a room at the Palm Beach mansion. 96 00:05:53,048 --> 00:05:56,094 She was directing the activities that were going on there. 97 00:05:56,225 --> 00:05:58,793 What we came to learn is that 98 00:05:58,923 --> 00:06:01,665 by the time of this investigation, 99 00:06:01,796 --> 00:06:03,363 Maxwell had stepped away 100 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:05,669 from the direct recruitment of young girls. 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,586 She had trained primary recruiters. 102 00:06:09,717 --> 00:06:14,504 Those primary recruiters then would train local recruiters 103 00:06:14,635 --> 00:06:16,680 to get girls to come over to the house. 104 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:19,640 This sexual pyramid scheme 105 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:23,383 really had Ghislaine Maxwell at the top. 106 00:06:23,513 --> 00:06:25,645 We as attorneys wanted to talk to her. 107 00:06:25,776 --> 00:06:27,909 We knew that she was jet-setting across the world. 108 00:06:28,039 --> 00:06:29,519 We knew that she could fly to France 109 00:06:29,650 --> 00:06:32,783 or Virgin Islands at any moment. 110 00:06:32,914 --> 00:06:34,872 We had heard that she was at some kind 111 00:06:35,003 --> 00:06:38,702 of a private benefit event up in New York at one point, 112 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:42,227 so we had hired process servers to go and try and serve her. 113 00:06:42,358 --> 00:06:44,665 Unfortunately, that ended up in a failure. 114 00:06:44,794 --> 00:06:46,754 They couldn't get in and get her served. 115 00:06:46,884 --> 00:06:49,452 So we were never able to issue a subpoena to her at the time, 116 00:06:49,539 --> 00:06:52,934 because she had essentially disappeared in the wind. 117 00:07:07,339 --> 00:07:09,603 [Cathy] I went down to tidy his room, 118 00:07:09,733 --> 00:07:13,476 and there on his dresser was the arrest warrant. 119 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:15,913 I actually didn't read what the thing was 120 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,568 until he actually told us up in the kitchen. 121 00:07:18,699 --> 00:07:20,265 I think I was too frightened to snoop. 122 00:07:20,395 --> 00:07:23,530 When he spoke to us on that morning, 123 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:27,577 he said it was for solicitation of a minor 124 00:07:27,708 --> 00:07:29,231 for prostitution, huh? 125 00:07:29,361 --> 00:07:30,774 - Something like that. - Something like that. 126 00:07:30,798 --> 00:07:32,234 In all honesty, I was shocked. 127 00:07:32,364 --> 00:07:34,628 - We were shocked. - We were both shocked. 128 00:07:34,758 --> 00:07:36,169 The way it was explained to us was basically 129 00:07:36,193 --> 00:07:38,109 a "slap on the wrist" fine, 130 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,285 like a traffic fine that they're charging him with, 131 00:07:40,372 --> 00:07:42,157 well, it seemed like it. 132 00:07:42,287 --> 00:07:44,607 So I said, "Well, just pay the fine and get over and done." 133 00:07:44,725 --> 00:07:46,727 "Get it out of the news. Get everything sorted." 134 00:07:46,857 --> 00:07:49,425 At that point in the relationship between the two of them, 135 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:52,254 I think it was pretty antagonistic at points. 136 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:55,170 He actually told us... 137 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:58,129 that, um... she'd gone. 138 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:00,001 Yeah, one day she's... 139 00:08:00,131 --> 00:08:02,873 One day, he walked into the kitchen and he said, "It's over." 140 00:08:03,004 --> 00:08:05,789 I actually felt quite sorry for him at the time. 141 00:08:05,876 --> 00:08:08,226 [Miles] It was a bit... traumatic. 142 00:08:08,357 --> 00:08:12,448 Traumatic. We had a couple of fighting matches. 143 00:08:12,579 --> 00:08:14,276 I wouldn't go too deep into that. 144 00:08:14,406 --> 00:08:18,193 No, I know, which is understandable, um... 145 00:08:18,323 --> 00:08:23,198 So you could see this relationship was moving 146 00:08:23,328 --> 00:08:25,330 in a different direction, yeah. 147 00:08:33,948 --> 00:08:38,692 Miss Maxwell was not around, um, for... for quite a while. 148 00:08:38,822 --> 00:08:40,452 She got involved with a man that does computers, 149 00:08:40,476 --> 00:08:42,478 as far as I remember. 150 00:08:42,609 --> 00:08:45,089 [Cathy] She was completely just out of the whole... 151 00:08:45,220 --> 00:08:47,091 - [Miles] Out of the loop. - Out of the loop. 152 00:08:47,222 --> 00:08:49,342 So you could see she'd started a new life for herself, 153 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:52,749 which I thought was good for her, you know. 154 00:08:52,836 --> 00:08:58,015 The relationship uh, between Epstein and Maxwell, 155 00:08:58,146 --> 00:09:01,671 who was dominant, who was subservient, 156 00:09:01,758 --> 00:09:05,545 how many of the strategies and tactics 157 00:09:05,675 --> 00:09:09,636 for recruiting and grooming uh, came from Maxwell, 158 00:09:09,766 --> 00:09:11,507 and how much came from Epstein, 159 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:14,771 uh, we'll never probably know completely. 160 00:09:14,902 --> 00:09:19,471 But what we do know is that Maxwell bears responsibility 161 00:09:19,602 --> 00:09:23,998 not only for the young women and girls 162 00:09:24,128 --> 00:09:26,087 who she personally recruited, 163 00:09:26,174 --> 00:09:30,178 but also for her role in the overall enterprise, 164 00:09:30,265 --> 00:09:33,616 where she would recruit somebody to recruit somebody else, 165 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:37,272 to recruit somebody else, to recruit somebody else. 166 00:09:37,401 --> 00:09:39,970 I think that one of the cruelest things 167 00:09:40,101 --> 00:09:42,582 that Epstein and Maxwell did 168 00:09:42,669 --> 00:09:46,760 is to induce, coerce, these young girls 169 00:09:46,890 --> 00:09:50,546 to bring in other young girls. 170 00:09:50,633 --> 00:09:52,480 [Phillips] It has been a really big journey for me 171 00:09:52,504 --> 00:09:54,245 to actually get to that point 172 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:55,943 where I'm not in denial anymore, 173 00:09:56,073 --> 00:09:59,468 and I can say, "Yeah, I was abused too." 174 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:03,167 I was already in the islands next to him, in St. John's, 175 00:10:03,254 --> 00:10:05,387 and I just was with a friend, 176 00:10:05,517 --> 00:10:08,608 and she asked me to go with her to the island. 177 00:10:08,695 --> 00:10:11,393 So I didn't know about this whole private island 178 00:10:11,523 --> 00:10:13,569 and, like, who Jeffrey Epstein was. 179 00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:15,919 I didn't know anything when I went with her that day. 180 00:10:16,006 --> 00:10:18,182 I had only met Jeffrey pretty briefly 181 00:10:18,269 --> 00:10:20,924 before someone was sent to our room 182 00:10:21,055 --> 00:10:24,493 to, uh, bring us there for a massage. 183 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,974 And so I just thought, OK, well, it's kind of weird, 184 00:10:27,104 --> 00:10:29,106 but I trust the girl that brought me. 185 00:10:29,237 --> 00:10:31,369 So, um, yeah, we went to his room, 186 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,634 and I realized at the time that the girl that brought me there, 187 00:10:34,764 --> 00:10:35,896 she had done this before, 188 00:10:36,026 --> 00:10:37,245 so she was very comfortable, 189 00:10:37,375 --> 00:10:38,681 and she was massaging him, 190 00:10:38,812 --> 00:10:40,857 and I kind of just took her lead. 191 00:10:40,988 --> 00:10:45,035 And then, um... 192 00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:47,995 pretty quickly afterwards, you know, 193 00:10:48,082 --> 00:10:51,694 is when Jeffrey, um, 194 00:10:51,825 --> 00:10:53,696 started touching me inappropriately, 195 00:10:53,827 --> 00:10:58,614 and that's, like, when the abuse happened, um... 196 00:10:58,745 --> 00:11:01,182 I was really confused about what happened. 197 00:11:01,312 --> 00:11:02,792 I just, like, realized 198 00:11:02,923 --> 00:11:04,620 maybe that's why she brought me there, 199 00:11:04,751 --> 00:11:06,883 was kind of to lure me to him, 200 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:10,321 and she was the one who got paid for bringing me. 201 00:11:10,452 --> 00:11:14,064 She made it seem like it was like no big deal at all. 202 00:11:14,195 --> 00:11:16,632 It was hard for me to deal with it for many years after that. 203 00:11:16,763 --> 00:11:20,288 And then hearing so many other women had the exact same story 204 00:11:20,418 --> 00:11:22,812 of another young person, another young woman, 205 00:11:22,943 --> 00:11:26,990 bringing them to Jeffrey for a massage, 206 00:11:27,077 --> 00:11:29,253 but then getting sexually abused. 207 00:11:29,384 --> 00:11:31,603 And every time I hear it, I'm just like thinking, 208 00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:34,694 "That was me, that was me." 209 00:11:36,826 --> 00:11:39,960 I'm headed to the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 210 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:42,789 This is just like another step for me 211 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:46,575 just to realize and kind of move on and heal. 212 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:56,628 This whole nightmare never would have happened 213 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,674 if it wasn't for Ghislaine. 214 00:11:58,805 --> 00:12:02,112 The woman who brought me to Jeffrey's island 215 00:12:02,243 --> 00:12:04,549 was recruited by her. 216 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:08,249 There were so many people that she brought 217 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:11,643 that brought others, that brought others, 218 00:12:11,774 --> 00:12:16,387 so it was just all these, like, layers. 219 00:12:16,518 --> 00:12:18,738 It's scary that I fit into that story somehow. 220 00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:23,786 [Boies] That's the way pyramid schemes work. 221 00:12:23,917 --> 00:12:28,095 That's the way enterprises of this scope and scale work. 222 00:12:28,225 --> 00:12:32,490 That was part of the power, 223 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:37,321 part of the reason why it was able to recruit 224 00:12:37,452 --> 00:12:41,151 not just a handful of young girls, 225 00:12:41,282 --> 00:12:44,285 but dozens, hundreds of young girls. 226 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:50,595 There was no one else in the pyramid 227 00:12:50,682 --> 00:12:52,815 who had her position. 228 00:12:52,946 --> 00:12:57,428 No one else who had her wealth, her status. 229 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,954 No one else did Epstein give $30 million to. 230 00:13:01,084 --> 00:13:06,176 So if you put Epstein at the top of the pyramid, 231 00:13:06,307 --> 00:13:10,006 Maxwell's right next to him. 232 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:12,052 And the only question is, 233 00:13:12,182 --> 00:13:16,056 is she right next to him at the same level, 234 00:13:16,186 --> 00:13:17,884 or is she right next to him 235 00:13:18,014 --> 00:13:21,409 at the level immediately below him? 236 00:13:21,539 --> 00:13:24,629 [reporter] Jeffrey Epstein's personal 727 aircraft 237 00:13:24,716 --> 00:13:28,285 arrived at PBIA from Newark at 5 p.m. 238 00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:30,592 The investor, traveling with a small entourage, 239 00:13:30,722 --> 00:13:32,812 was met at the private Galaxy Aviation. 240 00:13:40,515 --> 00:13:43,257 Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before ten this morning. 241 00:13:43,387 --> 00:13:45,259 He pleaded guilty in open court. 242 00:13:45,346 --> 00:13:47,000 He agreed to serve a total of 18 months 243 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:48,871 in a Palm Beach detention facility, 244 00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:51,787 12 for felony solicitation of prostitutes, 245 00:13:51,918 --> 00:13:55,878 and an additional six for procuring persons under 18 for prostitution. 246 00:13:56,009 --> 00:13:59,055 The guilty plea and deal end a years-long process 247 00:13:59,186 --> 00:14:02,363 that could have sent Epstein to jail for 15 years. 248 00:14:02,493 --> 00:14:04,844 I couldn't believe that he got the sweetheart deal. 249 00:14:04,974 --> 00:14:06,541 The federal government interviewed 250 00:14:06,671 --> 00:14:08,412 at least 40 young girls, 251 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:10,937 but, for some reason, the government decided 252 00:14:11,067 --> 00:14:13,417 that they were gonna use one case 253 00:14:13,548 --> 00:14:15,811 as the case that they would convict him of. 254 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:17,136 They're letting him out during the day 255 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,640 to walk around and have lunch, 256 00:14:18,770 --> 00:14:20,729 and have massages at his office. 257 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,470 He got out after only one year. 258 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,864 [reporter] A few steps, a smile, 259 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:27,388 and a wave to the deputy at the door. 260 00:14:27,518 --> 00:14:29,738 We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail, 261 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:32,262 but only his attorneys heard from him. 262 00:14:32,349 --> 00:14:34,149 He's very happy that his jail sentence is over 263 00:14:34,221 --> 00:14:36,919 and uh, he can begin a new chapter in his life. 264 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:39,574 [Kuvin] They entered into what's called 265 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:41,663 a non-prosecution agreement. 266 00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:44,057 That prevented any further prosecution 267 00:14:44,187 --> 00:14:45,885 of not just Jeffrey Epstein, 268 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:48,322 but also any others 269 00:14:48,452 --> 00:14:50,237 who may have been involved. 270 00:14:52,369 --> 00:14:54,981 Maxwell is not mentioned, 271 00:14:55,068 --> 00:14:58,071 and we have to assume that that was intentional. 272 00:14:58,201 --> 00:15:01,117 Jeffery probably told her, "Just disappear, 273 00:15:01,248 --> 00:15:03,685 go away, stay away from all of this, 274 00:15:03,815 --> 00:15:07,863 and don't worry about it, I'll take care of it." 275 00:15:07,994 --> 00:15:12,607 [Boies] The non-prosecution agreement was a corrupt agreement, 276 00:15:12,737 --> 00:15:15,871 and it should never have let 277 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:18,569 people like Maxwell walk. 278 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:20,789 I think it led 279 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,881 to a sense of invulnerability, 280 00:15:26,012 --> 00:15:28,362 uh, it-it led to a sense of confidence, 281 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:32,322 that having beat that, she was free. 282 00:15:43,420 --> 00:15:47,033 [ticking] 283 00:15:50,514 --> 00:15:53,387 If the United Nations create 284 00:15:53,517 --> 00:15:55,693 a stand-alone ocean development goal, 285 00:15:55,824 --> 00:15:57,478 that is a needle mover. 286 00:15:57,565 --> 00:16:00,655 That will make new laws, new governance, 287 00:16:00,785 --> 00:16:03,005 and a new way at looking at the ocean, 288 00:16:03,136 --> 00:16:05,094 and that is what will change the world. 289 00:16:05,225 --> 00:16:06,225 Thank you. 290 00:16:16,497 --> 00:16:18,344 So how does it... does it all look? Is my hair good? 291 00:16:18,368 --> 00:16:20,936 Do I...? It's all good? [laughs] 292 00:16:21,067 --> 00:16:23,678 [woman] All right, we're rolling. 293 00:16:23,808 --> 00:16:26,309 [woman 2] Ghislaine, you've been a philanthropist your whole career. 294 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,988 Tell us about your idea and how global citizens 295 00:16:29,118 --> 00:16:31,207 can save our common oceans. 296 00:16:31,338 --> 00:16:33,427 The ocean is absolutely vital 297 00:16:33,557 --> 00:16:36,038 to all planetary life systems. 298 00:16:36,169 --> 00:16:38,345 I call it the blue heart of the planet. 299 00:16:43,393 --> 00:16:48,529 I met Ghislaine at a party at the Four Seasons restaurant. 300 00:16:48,659 --> 00:16:51,401 There was a lot of major celebrities there, 301 00:16:51,532 --> 00:16:53,708 a lot of air kissing going on. 302 00:16:53,838 --> 00:16:55,840 She knew a lot of people there. 303 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:58,408 I thought she was utterly charming. 304 00:16:58,539 --> 00:17:01,020 I had no clue, um, 305 00:17:01,150 --> 00:17:03,283 that she was involved in any of these things. 306 00:17:03,412 --> 00:17:05,285 The thing that she talked about the most 307 00:17:05,415 --> 00:17:07,417 was, of course, the ocean. 308 00:17:07,547 --> 00:17:11,900 I mean, in many ways, the ocean became like her baby. 309 00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:15,817 Your excellencies, presidents, lords, ladies and gentlemen, 310 00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:18,211 um, I just would like to thank you so much, 311 00:17:18,341 --> 00:17:20,300 and it's such a honor to be here. 312 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:22,519 Who doesn't wanna have a clean ocean? 313 00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:25,435 I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of a worthy project. 314 00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:27,196 [Ghislaine] All you're signing is that you want the ocean 315 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:28,917 to be sustainably managed. 316 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:31,398 And that is the message we're bringing here. Thank you. 317 00:17:31,528 --> 00:17:32,528 [man] Thank you. 318 00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:38,840 At the end of the night, the party's breaking up, 319 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:42,235 and she asked me, "Can you give me a lift home?" 320 00:17:42,322 --> 00:17:44,237 I drove her home and dropped her off 321 00:17:44,367 --> 00:17:46,065 in front of her townhouse. 322 00:17:46,195 --> 00:17:49,416 And then she made this astonishing offer. 323 00:17:49,546 --> 00:17:53,855 She says to me, uh, "If you come in and fuck me, 324 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,510 I will tell you the secrets of my father." 325 00:17:57,728 --> 00:18:00,514 I was completely speechless, 326 00:18:00,601 --> 00:18:02,907 and I came up with a very lame excuse 327 00:18:03,038 --> 00:18:05,867 that I needed to go home and walk the dog. 328 00:18:05,997 --> 00:18:09,349 And she knew it was a kind of a BS excuse, 329 00:18:09,436 --> 00:18:12,352 but she gave me a kiss on the cheek and she said, 330 00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:14,441 uh, you know, "Hope to see you soon." 331 00:18:14,571 --> 00:18:16,791 It's kind of like, by day, 332 00:18:16,921 --> 00:18:19,750 she's very, very involved 333 00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:24,015 in trying to save the oceans uh, and-and fix the world, 334 00:18:24,146 --> 00:18:28,324 but by night, it's like turning into Dracula or something. 335 00:18:28,455 --> 00:18:30,413 It was like a switch. 336 00:18:32,241 --> 00:18:35,723 [Celhia de Lavarene] I just came back from uh, Haiti, 337 00:18:35,853 --> 00:18:40,031 where children are trafficked for sex. 338 00:18:40,162 --> 00:18:44,166 And I wanted to open uh, a safe uh, haven, 339 00:18:44,297 --> 00:18:47,604 if we can say, to help those kids. 340 00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:52,218 And my friend decided to have a fundraising event for that. 341 00:18:52,305 --> 00:18:55,699 I hear that uh, Ghislaine Maxwell came. 342 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:58,702 I don't know why she was in the picture. 343 00:18:58,789 --> 00:19:01,792 I didn't even know who she was. 344 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:05,492 I guess it's because the French ambassador was there 345 00:19:05,622 --> 00:19:07,494 and she wanted to look good. 346 00:19:07,624 --> 00:19:11,367 She was in the picture and then she left. 347 00:19:11,498 --> 00:19:14,240 I know one thing. 348 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:21,072 That woman you're talking about, uh, Maxwell, did not give a cent. 349 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,555 [Boies] The way she was able to manipulate the media 350 00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:29,342 to think of her as a, quote, environmentalist, 351 00:19:29,472 --> 00:19:33,433 um, as opposed to a sex trafficker, 352 00:19:33,563 --> 00:19:36,566 um, probably continued to contribute 353 00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:41,049 to her sense of being above the law, of being invulnerable. 354 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,182 I think it led her 355 00:19:43,312 --> 00:19:46,489 to be perhaps careless. 356 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:50,014 It may have contributed to her ultimate undoing. 357 00:19:55,716 --> 00:19:58,371 [reporter] Emotions running high in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 358 00:19:58,501 --> 00:20:01,374 A tearful accuser said she was 14 359 00:20:01,504 --> 00:20:04,855 when Maxwell told her she had a great body 360 00:20:04,986 --> 00:20:07,510 for Jeffrey Epstein and his friends. 361 00:20:09,425 --> 00:20:12,341 We're up to our third accuser, and her name is Carolyn. 362 00:20:12,472 --> 00:20:15,431 She is testifying under her first name, 363 00:20:15,562 --> 00:20:20,001 and she is the second accuser to allege that Ghislaine Maxwell 364 00:20:20,088 --> 00:20:23,657 had fondled her breasts when she was 14 years old. 365 00:20:23,787 --> 00:20:26,486 She said she was brought into Epstein's orbit 366 00:20:26,616 --> 00:20:29,097 via Virginia Giuffre, Roberts, 367 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,969 who was a-a very key figure 368 00:20:32,056 --> 00:20:34,755 in the whole Ghislaine Maxwell saga. 369 00:20:36,931 --> 00:20:40,978 Virginia was one of the first people, if not the first person, 370 00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:44,068 to come forward with the evidence 371 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:47,420 that not only were Epstein and Maxwell 372 00:20:47,550 --> 00:20:49,726 abusing young women themselves, 373 00:20:49,857 --> 00:20:51,728 but they were actually trafficking 374 00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:53,426 young women to other men. 375 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:57,995 The highest profile person 376 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:01,085 that uh, Virginia uh, identified 377 00:21:01,216 --> 00:21:04,480 as someone to whom she was trafficked 378 00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:08,179 by Epstein and Maxwell was Prince Andrew. 379 00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:25,719 Ghislaine woke me up in the morning, excited, 380 00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:28,504 and she said, "You're gonna meet a prince today." 381 00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:30,767 Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house, 382 00:21:30,854 --> 00:21:33,944 and I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein." 383 00:21:34,075 --> 00:21:37,948 The abuse went on for a little bit in the bathroom, 384 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:39,602 and then it continued to the bedroom, 385 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:43,084 and he wasn't rude or anything about it, 386 00:21:43,214 --> 00:21:45,042 he said, you know, thank you. 387 00:21:47,262 --> 00:21:51,092 [Boies] My first reaction was did this really happen? 388 00:21:51,222 --> 00:21:53,399 You know, is it-is it really true? 389 00:21:53,486 --> 00:21:56,793 To hear that... 390 00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:01,494 a member of the royal family, 391 00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:03,496 a prince of England, uh, 392 00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:07,630 was engaged in that conduct, um, 393 00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:10,111 was-was something that I found surprising, 394 00:22:10,241 --> 00:22:12,722 uh, shocking, disturbing. 395 00:22:12,853 --> 00:22:15,725 Sex trafficking tends to be something that you associate 396 00:22:15,856 --> 00:22:17,771 with Third World countries. 397 00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:19,947 It's not something that you think happens 398 00:22:20,077 --> 00:22:22,428 in the United States, in the United Kingdom. 399 00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:32,263 She said she had sex with you three times. 400 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:35,310 Once in a London house when she was trafficked to you. 401 00:22:35,441 --> 00:22:36,790 - In Maxwell's house. - Yes. 402 00:22:36,877 --> 00:22:38,661 Once in New York, 403 00:22:38,792 --> 00:22:41,229 a month or so later, at Epstein's mansion. 404 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,797 And once on his private island 405 00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:46,495 in a group of seven or eight other girls. 406 00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:50,238 No. 407 00:22:50,891 --> 00:22:52,762 She says she dined with you, 408 00:22:52,849 --> 00:22:56,026 danced with you at Tramp nightclub in London. 409 00:22:56,113 --> 00:23:00,161 She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia 410 00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:03,033 belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell, your friend. 411 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,120 Your response? 412 00:23:04,208 --> 00:23:05,906 I have no recollection 413 00:23:06,036 --> 00:23:08,343 of ever meeting this lady. 414 00:23:10,911 --> 00:23:13,609 [McCawley] I talked to my partner, David Boies, 415 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:16,873 and he said, "I have this new case that's come in 416 00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:18,745 that I think really is suited for you 417 00:23:18,875 --> 00:23:22,183 because of the work you've done um, in foster care 418 00:23:22,313 --> 00:23:25,491 and with sex trafficking victims." 419 00:23:25,621 --> 00:23:29,190 I went to New York and I met with Virginia, 420 00:23:29,277 --> 00:23:31,714 and within moments of that meeting, 421 00:23:31,845 --> 00:23:35,979 my life really turned upside down in many ways. 422 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:38,895 Virginia made public that Maxwell had been involved 423 00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:41,289 at the head of the sex trafficking scheme 424 00:23:41,376 --> 00:23:43,378 along with Epstein. 425 00:23:43,465 --> 00:23:45,400 [reporter] Can I ask you about the- the-all the allegations 426 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:46,624 that have come out, Ghislaine? 427 00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:50,820 Have you got no comment at all? 428 00:23:50,951 --> 00:23:53,388 I've made a statement. Thank you. 429 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:57,000 Then Maxwell came forward and made the statement 430 00:23:57,131 --> 00:24:01,178 that Virginia's claims were, quote, obvious lies. 431 00:24:01,309 --> 00:24:04,051 That gave us the hook to be able to sue Maxwell for defamation, 432 00:24:04,181 --> 00:24:06,227 and that really started the journey 433 00:24:06,357 --> 00:24:09,230 in being able to hold Maxwell accountable 434 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,145 for the crimes she committed. 435 00:24:11,275 --> 00:24:15,410 We were a tight female team, and we just dug into it. 436 00:24:15,541 --> 00:24:17,412 We pieced together the flight logs 437 00:24:17,543 --> 00:24:19,501 in a way that no one ever had before, 438 00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,372 to really map that out 439 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:24,463 and understand the trafficking scheme as a whole. 440 00:24:24,593 --> 00:24:26,290 We had the police reports 441 00:24:26,421 --> 00:24:30,120 from the 2005 investigation in Florida 442 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:32,862 that showed Maxwell at the centerpiece of this, 443 00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:35,691 helping arrange the girls, being very active there, 444 00:24:35,778 --> 00:24:37,911 despite her claims that she was not. 445 00:24:38,041 --> 00:24:40,914 We spoke to many, many survivors 446 00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:43,264 of Epstein and Maxwell's abuse. 447 00:24:43,394 --> 00:24:46,310 Some of those survivors uh, would say, 448 00:24:46,441 --> 00:24:48,530 "I-I can't give you any information. I'm too scared." 449 00:24:48,661 --> 00:24:51,315 It was a very scary time period. 450 00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:55,494 I myself had threats and I was scared at times. 451 00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:59,193 I also had people following me. 452 00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:01,848 As you can imagine, there are incredibly powerful people 453 00:25:01,978 --> 00:25:05,329 who are involved in this sex trafficking scheme. 454 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:06,548 They certainly didn't like 455 00:25:06,679 --> 00:25:08,724 that I was turning over stones, 456 00:25:08,855 --> 00:25:10,509 finding out more information. 457 00:25:19,779 --> 00:25:21,694 Maxwell's deposition is significant 458 00:25:21,824 --> 00:25:24,566 because it's really the only document we have 459 00:25:24,697 --> 00:25:27,700 that shows testimony she has given 460 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,920 about the sexual trafficking scheme. 461 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:33,357 One of the things that stood out to me right away 462 00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:37,579 was how obstructionist Maxwell was going to be. 463 00:25:37,710 --> 00:25:40,147 I asked her a-a pretty simple question, 464 00:25:40,234 --> 00:25:43,324 "So, Miss Maxwell, when did you first recruit a female 465 00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:45,500 to work for Mr. Epstein?" 466 00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:49,199 She said, "I don't understand what you mean by female." 467 00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:51,724 "I don't understand what you mean by recruit." 468 00:25:51,854 --> 00:25:54,161 "Please be more specific and clear." 469 00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:58,078 So that just shows you how difficult 470 00:25:58,165 --> 00:26:00,384 she was willing to make that deposition, 471 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:03,387 how she was going to stop at nothing 472 00:26:03,518 --> 00:26:06,260 to um, not give information. 473 00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:08,107 Maxwell definitely had an air of entitlement, 474 00:26:08,131 --> 00:26:10,438 is the best way I can describe it. 475 00:26:10,525 --> 00:26:12,745 "How dare you bring me into a conference room 476 00:26:12,875 --> 00:26:14,398 and ask me questions." 477 00:26:14,485 --> 00:26:17,097 "I know presidents. I know princes, 478 00:26:17,227 --> 00:26:18,664 and I should not be bothered 479 00:26:18,794 --> 00:26:21,144 with these kinds of allegations." 480 00:26:21,275 --> 00:26:24,278 There was another significant moment in the deposition 481 00:26:24,408 --> 00:26:28,064 where she actually gets so frustrated with me and so angry 482 00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:31,851 that she slams her fist on my conference room table, 483 00:26:31,981 --> 00:26:33,809 causing my court reporter's 484 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:36,290 uh, stenographer machine to fall over. 485 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:38,422 And my court reporter looked at me 486 00:26:38,553 --> 00:26:39,859 and said, "I'm so scared." 487 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:42,078 In that moment, I realized 488 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:44,994 what the women that I represent have gone through, 489 00:26:45,081 --> 00:26:47,562 and to-to see how willing she was 490 00:26:47,693 --> 00:26:49,053 to come forward in that environment 491 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:51,827 and attack at this level 492 00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:56,005 um, just confirmed everything that I knew about her. 493 00:26:56,136 --> 00:27:00,575 In the final analysis, they paid a lot of money to resolve it. 494 00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:03,404 The result of the defamation case 495 00:27:03,534 --> 00:27:05,232 was very important to Virginia, 496 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:09,062 not only because of the economic security it gave her, 497 00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:11,717 but also it was a vindication. 498 00:27:11,804 --> 00:27:15,198 Remember, she had been accused by Maxwell 499 00:27:15,329 --> 00:27:16,983 of making this all up. 500 00:27:17,113 --> 00:27:19,942 I sometimes felt angry 501 00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:23,642 at the way she dismissed 502 00:27:23,729 --> 00:27:26,035 the victims of the sex trafficking, 503 00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:30,866 but there were times when I-I felt sorry for her too. 504 00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:33,390 You know, I tried to understand 505 00:27:33,477 --> 00:27:39,440 what led somebody to do these things. 506 00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:41,964 I would never describe her as a victim, 507 00:27:43,618 --> 00:27:45,620 but I would describe her 508 00:27:45,707 --> 00:27:50,930 as a damaged human being, 509 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:54,629 and what caused that damage, I don't know. 510 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,284 I've never been able to understand 511 00:27:57,414 --> 00:28:01,288 why after our civil litigation was resolved, 512 00:28:01,418 --> 00:28:05,292 Maxwell did not go to the prosecutors 513 00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:07,120 and try to do a deal. 514 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:08,904 She could have given them Epstein. 515 00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:10,863 Now, maybe she was just still 516 00:28:10,993 --> 00:28:15,911 too under Epstein's sway, 517 00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:19,219 but she somehow almost seemed 518 00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:22,222 to put that out of her mind 519 00:28:22,352 --> 00:28:26,269 and go forward uh, as is- as if it didn't happen. 520 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,317 She should have known that her days were numbered. 521 00:28:38,455 --> 00:28:42,764 [Anne McElvoy] She started to turn up more again in London 522 00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:45,549 in the late 20 teens. 523 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,117 I felt that was probably quite shrewd 524 00:28:48,248 --> 00:28:50,380 and strategic on her part, 525 00:28:50,511 --> 00:28:53,035 that she wanted something that was away 526 00:28:53,122 --> 00:28:54,863 from the whole Epstein story. 527 00:28:54,994 --> 00:28:57,736 I think probably also she wanted to know 528 00:28:57,866 --> 00:29:00,826 if London was still talking to her. 529 00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:04,090 Things were clearly still unraveling at a-at a rate, 530 00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:08,137 of which I certainly was not aware at the time. 531 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:10,313 You would never be able to tell, 532 00:29:10,444 --> 00:29:12,074 if you met Ghislaine Maxwell, what was going on. 533 00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:14,448 I mean, it was always the same smooth, 534 00:29:14,578 --> 00:29:16,624 ocean-going confidence. 535 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,626 I met her uh, through friends 536 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:22,586 who'd brought her to a party that we were at. 537 00:29:22,717 --> 00:29:25,764 We talked about our Oxford years. 538 00:29:25,894 --> 00:29:28,288 And she said "It was a great time, wasn't it?" 539 00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:30,333 And I said, "Yeah, it was a great time." 540 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,119 And she said, "Yes, it's... it's sad, isn't it, 541 00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:35,556 how things turn out?" 542 00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:42,084 [newsreader] A judge ruled this afternoon 543 00:29:42,171 --> 00:29:44,608 that federal prosecutors broke the law 544 00:29:44,739 --> 00:29:47,786 when they signed a plea agreement with Jeffrey Epstein. 545 00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:49,483 That's because the agreement was hidden 546 00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:51,833 from 30 of his underage victims. 547 00:29:51,964 --> 00:29:53,617 The case received renewed attention 548 00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:55,445 after theMiami Herald published 549 00:29:55,576 --> 00:29:57,708 a lengthy investigation into the plea deal. 550 00:30:08,719 --> 00:30:11,984 [Christina Oxenberg] January 2019, 551 00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:15,422 oddly enough she likes, 552 00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:18,817 clicks "like", on an Instagram post of mine. 553 00:30:18,904 --> 00:30:21,602 And her timing was pretty appalling 554 00:30:21,732 --> 00:30:23,865 because by now I know everything, 555 00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:27,260 and I'm furious, I'm appalled, 556 00:30:27,347 --> 00:30:29,392 I'm disgusted. 557 00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:31,873 Because 20 years ago, 558 00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:35,790 Ghislaine told me that she recruits three girls a day, 559 00:30:35,921 --> 00:30:39,185 but she was using the word "girls." 560 00:30:39,315 --> 00:30:42,318 I literally just thought she was just talking about 561 00:30:42,449 --> 00:30:44,886 human beings, women. 562 00:30:45,017 --> 00:30:48,411 In that article, I see all of that, 563 00:30:48,542 --> 00:30:52,807 and I'm horrified... 564 00:30:52,938 --> 00:30:55,679 that she was talking about children. 565 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,551 We had been discussing children. 566 00:30:57,681 --> 00:31:00,684 It was hard to take on, um... 567 00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:03,470 on a lot of levels, because, um... 568 00:31:04,775 --> 00:31:08,127 I felt responsible, in a way, 569 00:31:08,257 --> 00:31:09,868 that I had known information 570 00:31:13,349 --> 00:31:16,091 that could have maybe made a difference. 571 00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:19,268 And, um, I felt sick. 572 00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:22,054 I was disgusted with her. 573 00:31:22,184 --> 00:31:26,667 I felt I had let humanity down. 574 00:31:26,797 --> 00:31:30,105 And yet I didn't know what I didn't know. 575 00:31:38,984 --> 00:31:41,595 The billionaire American financier Jeffrey Epstein 576 00:31:41,725 --> 00:31:44,337 has been formally charged with the sex trafficking 577 00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,601 of dozens of underage teenage girls. 578 00:31:47,731 --> 00:31:51,518 The alleged behavior shocks the conscience. 579 00:31:51,648 --> 00:31:56,131 And while the charge conduct is from a number of years ago, 580 00:31:56,218 --> 00:31:58,220 it is still profoundly important 581 00:31:58,307 --> 00:32:02,616 to the many alleged victims, now young women. 582 00:32:02,746 --> 00:32:06,359 They deserve their day in court. 583 00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:08,491 [McCawley] This is a great day for victims, 584 00:32:08,622 --> 00:32:12,800 and I am humbled and inspired by their voices. 585 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,194 Our clients are extremely gratified 586 00:32:15,324 --> 00:32:17,979 that these charges have finally been brought. 587 00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:27,206 [reporter] Jeffrey Epstein found dead in an apparent suicide. 588 00:32:27,293 --> 00:32:29,773 The financier, arrested on charges 589 00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:31,819 that he ran a sex trafficking ring, 590 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,778 apparently killed himself today in prison. 591 00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:36,998 [reporter] He took the easy way out, 592 00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:38,565 not having to face justice, 593 00:32:38,695 --> 00:32:40,959 not having to face the victims, 594 00:32:41,046 --> 00:32:42,980 And now it's entirely possible this entire-this entire thing 595 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:45,180 may be put in a file and never seen again. 596 00:32:47,704 --> 00:32:50,881 [Helm] I had plugged my phone in to charge, 597 00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,772 and when I plugged it in, I accidentally had swiped it 598 00:32:52,796 --> 00:32:54,450 to, like, the news thing. 599 00:32:54,581 --> 00:32:57,279 Then there was his face. 600 00:32:57,366 --> 00:33:00,848 I looked at this headline, and it read: 601 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:05,374 "Jeffrey Epstein found in fetal position in jail cell." 602 00:33:05,505 --> 00:33:07,898 I was shaking, you know. 603 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:10,640 My heart was racing. I was scared. 604 00:33:10,771 --> 00:33:12,512 I was... I was crying. 605 00:33:12,642 --> 00:33:15,863 I... I didn't know what to do. 606 00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,126 I had spent 17 years 607 00:33:18,257 --> 00:33:22,696 replaying all of that countless times. 608 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,224 And I had spent 17 years... 609 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:36,362 keeping that in a very, very tightly sealed, 610 00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:40,453 buttoned-up space of shame. 611 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:45,110 It was like a re-traumatization all over again. 612 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,068 It was... 613 00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:51,594 The world, you know, shifted. 614 00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:54,379 But I knew, that was that moment that I was, like, 615 00:33:54,510 --> 00:34:00,038 "You are not gonna sit here anymore and stay silent." 616 00:34:03,737 --> 00:34:06,870 "It's not how Jeffrey died, but it's how he lived, 617 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,656 and we need to get to the bottom 618 00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:12,571 of everybody who was involved with that, 619 00:34:12,702 --> 00:34:14,225 starting with Ghislaine Maxwell. 620 00:34:14,356 --> 00:34:17,359 I went to New York City 621 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,100 and spoke in federal court 622 00:34:20,232 --> 00:34:23,191 in August of 2019. 623 00:34:23,321 --> 00:34:26,542 I said, "Ghislaine Maxwell needs to be held accountable 624 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:30,633 because she's what got me there." 625 00:34:30,763 --> 00:34:34,462 She groomed me to walk myself 626 00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:36,813 to the home of a predator willingly. 627 00:34:36,944 --> 00:34:39,077 If it were not for her, 628 00:34:39,207 --> 00:34:42,906 I would not have been abused. 629 00:34:43,037 --> 00:34:44,865 Jeffrey Epstein may be dead, 630 00:34:44,995 --> 00:34:49,826 but the investigation continues into his web of abuse. 631 00:34:49,913 --> 00:34:51,959 According to new reports, 632 00:34:52,046 --> 00:34:54,701 the FBI has launched an investigation 633 00:34:54,831 --> 00:34:57,486 of the British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell. 634 00:34:57,617 --> 00:34:59,271 The big question, Lady Victoria, now 635 00:34:59,401 --> 00:35:01,577 is where is Ghislaine Maxwell? 636 00:35:01,664 --> 00:35:04,406 You knew her well. When did you last have any contact with her? 637 00:35:04,537 --> 00:35:09,063 I haven't seen her since September last year. 638 00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:12,153 Um, I don't think we'll... you're gonna... 639 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,502 No one's gonna find her. 640 00:35:13,633 --> 00:35:15,765 [ticking] 641 00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:22,511 [reporter] For months, prosecutors say Ghislaine Maxwell hid away 642 00:35:22,642 --> 00:35:24,339 in this New Hampshire mansion. 643 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:28,213 But Thursday, FBI agents moved in. 644 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:29,866 [woman] Good morning. 645 00:35:29,953 --> 00:35:31,520 Today we announce charges 646 00:35:31,607 --> 00:35:33,696 against Ghislaine Maxwell 647 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:39,049 for helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually exploit and abuse 648 00:35:39,137 --> 00:35:41,530 multiple minor girls 649 00:35:41,661 --> 00:35:47,014 who were as young as 14 years old. 650 00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:50,974 The moment I got the phone call that Maxwell had been arrested, 651 00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:53,412 I called all of my clients. 652 00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:56,589 I remember crying on the phone with them. 653 00:35:56,676 --> 00:35:59,418 It was around nine o'clock in the morning, 654 00:35:59,548 --> 00:36:02,812 and I got a phone call from my lawyer, 655 00:36:02,943 --> 00:36:06,990 and she let me know that Ghislaine had been arrested. 656 00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:11,169 And... I... It wa... 657 00:36:11,299 --> 00:36:13,606 I mean, it was like a cel... It was a celebration. 658 00:36:13,736 --> 00:36:17,871 I was laughing and crying at the same time. 659 00:36:18,001 --> 00:36:20,439 Today, after many years, 660 00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:24,791 Ghislaine Maxwell finally stands charged 661 00:36:24,921 --> 00:36:27,315 for her role in these crimes. 662 00:36:27,446 --> 00:36:29,143 She had hoped she could be released 663 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:32,146 to a luxury hotel in New York to wait out the trial, 664 00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:34,844 but ultimately a judge said there were no set of conditions 665 00:36:34,975 --> 00:36:36,803 that could ensure she would not flee, 666 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:38,544 the risk simply too great. 667 00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:42,809 [reporter] After a life of luxury, 668 00:36:42,939 --> 00:36:45,246 this is now Ghislaine Maxwell's stone-cold reality. 669 00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:48,728 Denied bail, imprisoned in solitary confinement, 670 00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:50,686 and heavily guarded here, 671 00:36:50,817 --> 00:36:52,906 at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, 672 00:36:52,993 --> 00:36:55,996 with her trial at least a year away. 673 00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:59,826 [Maloney] I'm still in a state of shock. 674 00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:02,307 I can't believe that Ghislaine 675 00:37:02,394 --> 00:37:05,701 would have stooped to that level. 676 00:37:05,832 --> 00:37:07,399 I really... 677 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:09,575 Part of me doesn't want to believe it, 678 00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:12,708 and part of me doesn't believe it. 679 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:15,189 Not the Ghislaine I knew. 680 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,976 But, then again, a lot can happen in 40 years. 681 00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:21,467 I'm sure that there are many people 682 00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:23,893 who do not view Ghislaine Maxwell 683 00:37:24,024 --> 00:37:26,853 through those lenses of a predator or a monster. 684 00:37:26,983 --> 00:37:31,597 They view her as whatever fun party they attended, 685 00:37:31,727 --> 00:37:35,253 or whatever holiday they attended with her. 686 00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:37,733 She's not walking around 687 00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:40,475 shouting to the world that she was a predator. 688 00:37:40,562 --> 00:37:45,437 She wasn't sharing that at the holiday parties, you know. 689 00:37:45,524 --> 00:37:47,526 So I don't necessarily blame folks 690 00:37:47,656 --> 00:37:51,225 that can't see her that way. 691 00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:55,621 I think that sometimes people have very deep, dark secrets, 692 00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:58,014 and this is a very deep, dark secret 693 00:37:58,145 --> 00:38:00,321 that she carried on, you know. 694 00:38:00,408 --> 00:38:02,845 The unfortunate harsh reality it is 695 00:38:02,976 --> 00:38:05,283 for those that love and care for her. 696 00:38:06,545 --> 00:38:09,069 [ticking] 697 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,203 We're back this morning with the latest 698 00:38:13,291 --> 00:38:15,597 on the Ghislaine Maxwell sex trafficking trial. 699 00:38:15,728 --> 00:38:17,947 She denies all of the charges against her. 700 00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:22,561 [reporter] Three women who say as teenagers they were exploited 701 00:38:22,691 --> 00:38:25,433 have so far given evidence at this trial. 702 00:38:28,262 --> 00:38:31,700 Today began the long anticipated testimony of Annie Farmer, 703 00:38:31,787 --> 00:38:33,702 the only accusing witness 704 00:38:33,789 --> 00:38:36,009 stepping forward against Ghislaine Maxwell 705 00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:37,924 in her real name. 706 00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:41,536 And it began with the prosecution saying, 707 00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:43,451 "Is there anyone in this courtroom 708 00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:45,410 who has ever given you a massage?" 709 00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:49,762 And she said yes and identified the defendant. 710 00:38:49,892 --> 00:38:53,156 She said that she was asked to disrobe 711 00:38:53,287 --> 00:38:57,900 and told to turn around, lying on her back, 712 00:38:57,987 --> 00:39:00,816 that Ghislaine Maxwell pulled down the sheet, 713 00:39:00,947 --> 00:39:04,080 exposing her breast and touching her breast. 714 00:39:06,126 --> 00:39:09,042 It was definitely Ghislaine who asked me first 715 00:39:09,172 --> 00:39:11,261 about my sister Annie. 716 00:39:13,089 --> 00:39:16,702 Because I was always bragging about her to everyone. 717 00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:18,660 I mean, she was my whole world, so I was like, 718 00:39:18,747 --> 00:39:20,749 "Oh, my gosh, my sister's the smartest, 719 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,491 the most beautiful, the most angelic." 720 00:39:23,578 --> 00:39:25,798 And I had definitely bragged about her 721 00:39:25,928 --> 00:39:28,278 to Epstein and to Ghislaine. 722 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,281 This is in 1995. I was in Palm Beach. 723 00:39:31,412 --> 00:39:33,719 And I was sitting outside by the pool, 724 00:39:33,849 --> 00:39:35,329 and Ghislaine was, you know, 725 00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:38,854 leaning on a chaise, and she said, 726 00:39:38,985 --> 00:39:41,640 "Oh, it's too bad Annie's not here with us, you know." 727 00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:43,182 "It would be very nice to have her here." 728 00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:44,730 And I said, "Oh, she would love it." 729 00:39:44,817 --> 00:39:46,906 "She would have so much fun, definitely." 730 00:39:59,179 --> 00:40:03,662 Ghislaine's role with Annie was huge, it-it's everything, 731 00:40:03,792 --> 00:40:08,971 because my mother and everyone believed, 732 00:40:09,102 --> 00:40:11,583 we all believed, that Annie would be safe 733 00:40:11,713 --> 00:40:14,063 with a married couple. 734 00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:16,675 They told my mother that they were married. 735 00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:18,720 They told me they were married, 736 00:40:18,807 --> 00:40:20,983 you know, right when I first started working for them, 737 00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:22,768 but it was to make us feel safe. 738 00:40:22,898 --> 00:40:26,859 Because what woman is gonna attack a child, right? 739 00:40:26,946 --> 00:40:28,730 We didn't know that women did that. 740 00:40:28,861 --> 00:40:32,038 And we didn't understand when we found out 741 00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:34,214 how a woman could participate in this. 742 00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:36,216 It was really the most shocking part. 743 00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:47,053 [Klasfeld] So, after two very brisk weeks of trial, 744 00:40:47,183 --> 00:40:49,272 the government has rested, 745 00:40:49,403 --> 00:40:52,580 and it's rested with this explosive testimony 746 00:40:52,711 --> 00:40:54,626 from Annie Farmer. 747 00:40:54,756 --> 00:40:56,454 The other witnesses were crying 748 00:40:56,584 --> 00:40:59,631 as they recounted these really troubling memories. 749 00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,676 With Annie Farmer, it's a different dynamic. 750 00:41:01,763 --> 00:41:04,374 It's the unflappable Annie Farmer. 751 00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:06,681 I did tell Annie that I was very... 752 00:41:06,768 --> 00:41:08,378 I- that I was very proud of her, 753 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:12,905 that she... that she was so brave. 754 00:41:13,035 --> 00:41:16,778 She did it for everybody, like Virginia and Teresa and myself. 755 00:41:16,909 --> 00:41:19,259 She's just that generous, you know, 756 00:41:19,389 --> 00:41:21,435 that she would be thinking of everyone. 757 00:41:21,566 --> 00:41:24,482 This trial is incredibly important 758 00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,614 for everyone who's ever suffered, 759 00:41:26,745 --> 00:41:30,052 I think, any kind of sexual abuse. 760 00:41:30,183 --> 00:41:33,229 I'm concerned, very concerned, if she's released. 761 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,015 Um, if she's not held accountable, 762 00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:38,974 that would be very damaging. 763 00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:43,239 I reported this thing 26 years ago to the federal government. 764 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:47,853 They nursed it, allowed it to exist very clearly for 26 years. 765 00:41:47,983 --> 00:41:49,637 And it just makes me really mad 766 00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:53,119 that, um, these people are able to get away 767 00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:54,990 with abusing as many people as they do, 768 00:41:55,121 --> 00:41:57,166 'cause you don't recover from those things. 769 00:41:57,253 --> 00:42:00,343 They have all that power, all that credibility, 770 00:42:00,474 --> 00:42:03,782 and Ghislaine gave... lent that credibility to Epstein. 771 00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:05,740 That's what she provided in this charade. 772 00:42:05,871 --> 00:42:07,655 What it did do to me, this experience, 773 00:42:07,786 --> 00:42:09,048 is it took away my trust 774 00:42:09,178 --> 00:42:11,311 in every human being on this earth, 775 00:42:11,441 --> 00:42:13,356 because if you can't trust the people 776 00:42:13,487 --> 00:42:16,838 who are running the whole show, who can you trust? 777 00:42:21,147 --> 00:42:24,542 [Helm] Walking into that courtroom, 778 00:42:24,672 --> 00:42:29,851 my body was shaking, my heart was racing. 779 00:42:29,982 --> 00:42:33,420 Being in the same room with Ghislaine 780 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:37,424 for the first time in 19 years, 781 00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:42,037 I was overwhelmed physically. 782 00:42:42,168 --> 00:42:45,824 Her and I looked straight at one another. 783 00:42:45,954 --> 00:42:49,697 I didn't look away, not... I didn't blink. 784 00:42:49,828 --> 00:42:51,220 She looked away. 785 00:42:54,659 --> 00:43:00,012 This is me asserting my freedom, and asserting my power, 786 00:43:00,142 --> 00:43:04,494 and taking back what was taken from me. 787 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:11,240 But I couldn't help but notice, 788 00:43:11,371 --> 00:43:13,416 some of her body language, you know, 789 00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:16,463 just tossing her hair all about, 790 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:19,335 like, she didn't really come across 791 00:43:19,422 --> 00:43:24,079 as someone fearful of outcomes. 792 00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:27,256 And that seems to be what she's still carrying, 793 00:43:27,387 --> 00:43:34,612 that presumption that all will turn out in her favor, 794 00:43:34,699 --> 00:43:39,094 and that's someone that's unwell. 795 00:43:39,225 --> 00:43:42,141 That's complete disconnect from what she's done. 796 00:43:42,271 --> 00:43:44,423 [reporter] Now to Lower Manhattan, where the Ghislaine Maxwell 797 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:47,842 sex trafficking trial is now in its 12th day. 798 00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:49,907 Well, first of all, the defense team for Ghislaine Maxwell, 799 00:43:49,931 --> 00:43:52,412 they did not start off the day today well at all, 800 00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,501 the judge scolding them 801 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,852 for not having some of their witnesses ready to testify. 802 00:43:57,983 --> 00:44:01,987 Now, one of them is going to be ignoring a federal subpoena, 803 00:44:02,117 --> 00:44:04,990 another one has COVID, another one is 81 years old, 804 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,906 lives in the UK and cannot be here until Monday, 805 00:44:08,036 --> 00:44:11,779 and then a fourth witness who is scheduled to testify 806 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:13,912 is pleading the Fifth. 807 00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:22,790 [Klasfeld] The defense case rested only two days in 808 00:44:22,921 --> 00:44:24,618 in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, 809 00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:26,881 and usually when asked whether or not 810 00:44:27,012 --> 00:44:28,946 a criminal defendant will testify in their defense, 811 00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:30,406 it's yes or no. 812 00:44:30,537 --> 00:44:32,495 Not Ghislaine Maxwell. She said: 813 00:44:32,626 --> 00:44:34,976 "Your Honor, the government has not proven its case 814 00:44:35,063 --> 00:44:36,630 beyond a reasonable doubt, 815 00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:39,894 and so there is no need for me to testify." 816 00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:41,722 And that's the kind of Ghislaine Maxwell 817 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:43,681 we've seen throughout this trial. 818 00:44:43,811 --> 00:44:46,248 Confident, relaxed, awaiting a fate 819 00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:48,947 that could see the rest of her life in prison. 820 00:44:49,077 --> 00:44:51,689 If she's feeling any sense of panic over that, 821 00:44:51,819 --> 00:44:54,779 she's not putting on a face that would show that. 822 00:45:04,136 --> 00:45:06,355 [ticking] 823 00:45:12,274 --> 00:45:14,712 [reporter] Breaking news in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. 824 00:45:14,842 --> 00:45:17,366 She has been convicted. 825 00:45:17,497 --> 00:45:20,935 [reporter 2] She stood there stony-faced as the jury read out the verdict. 826 00:45:21,066 --> 00:45:22,894 When the jury filed out, 827 00:45:23,024 --> 00:45:25,940 Ghislaine Maxwell poured a glass of water, 828 00:45:26,027 --> 00:45:29,814 hugged one of her lawyers and was led out of the courtroom. 829 00:45:29,944 --> 00:45:32,207 Ghislaine Maxwell just got convicted 830 00:45:32,338 --> 00:45:34,949 of five of six of the serious counts against her, 831 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,908 including the most serious counts, 832 00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:38,474 sex trafficking of a minor, 833 00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:41,434 which has a possible maximum penalty 834 00:45:41,564 --> 00:45:43,262 of 40 years imprisonment. 835 00:45:43,392 --> 00:45:45,090 [camera shutters click] 836 00:45:45,177 --> 00:45:47,527 [reporter] Mr. Maxwell, Mr. Maxwell, 837 00:45:47,657 --> 00:45:50,095 can we have a statement on behalf of the family, please? 838 00:45:50,182 --> 00:45:52,010 What is your reaction to the verdict? 839 00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:56,144 We firmly believe in Ghislaine's innocence. 840 00:45:56,275 --> 00:45:59,278 Obviously we are very disappointed with the verdict. 841 00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:02,411 We have already started working on the appeal. 842 00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:05,414 Everyone, be healthy. Have a happy new year. 843 00:46:21,909 --> 00:46:25,173 It's a tremendous relief to be here. 844 00:46:25,304 --> 00:46:28,655 I- I, um, wasn't sure that this day would ever come, 845 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:32,964 and uh, I just feel so grateful that the jury believed us 846 00:46:33,094 --> 00:46:36,141 and sent a strong message that perpetrators 847 00:46:36,271 --> 00:46:39,927 of sexual abuse and exploitation will be held accountable, 848 00:46:40,014 --> 00:46:42,712 no matter how much power and privilege that they have. 849 00:46:44,976 --> 00:46:47,761 [Anne McElvoy] I don't think the verdict was a shock, 850 00:46:47,892 --> 00:46:51,591 but I did find it-it made me recoil. 851 00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:56,639 Looking at Ghislaine Maxwell striding around Oxford 852 00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:59,599 all those years ago, 853 00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:01,775 there was something very attractive, 854 00:47:01,906 --> 00:47:05,648 very engaging, commanding about her, 855 00:47:05,735 --> 00:47:09,348 and that did make her someone you... 856 00:47:09,478 --> 00:47:14,353 people wanted to know, they enjoyed her company. 857 00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:17,486 And yet those same attributes 858 00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:21,751 were turned to... really to something very, very wicked. 859 00:47:23,928 --> 00:47:26,408 If you'd said to me this is where 860 00:47:26,539 --> 00:47:28,019 Ghislaine Maxwell will end up, 861 00:47:28,149 --> 00:47:32,110 this is what you'd be talking about today, 862 00:47:32,197 --> 00:47:35,243 I'd have said, "That's crazy. You've got the wrong person." 863 00:47:39,117 --> 00:47:42,294 What Epstein did 864 00:47:42,381 --> 00:47:45,079 is almost a microcosm 865 00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:47,386 of how the world works, 866 00:47:47,516 --> 00:47:49,823 of very rich and powerful people 867 00:47:49,954 --> 00:47:54,697 exploiting people without that wealth and power. 868 00:47:54,828 --> 00:47:58,876 She was the facilitator of that rapacity, 869 00:47:59,006 --> 00:48:03,358 that predatory determination to meet your needs 870 00:48:03,445 --> 00:48:06,622 regardless of anybody else's costs. 871 00:48:09,016 --> 00:48:12,237 Maxwell did not do this because Epstein told her to. 872 00:48:12,367 --> 00:48:16,284 She did it in her-her own agency, her own will. 873 00:48:16,415 --> 00:48:19,809 She chose to perpetrate these crimes against young victims, 874 00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:22,725 and she benefited from those crimes. 875 00:48:22,856 --> 00:48:26,207 [Boies] Epstein and Maxwell could not have accomplished what they did 876 00:48:26,338 --> 00:48:28,427 acting alone. 877 00:48:28,514 --> 00:48:32,953 They could not have had the scope and scale and duration 878 00:48:33,084 --> 00:48:35,477 of the sexual trafficking and abuse. 879 00:48:35,608 --> 00:48:40,047 Their collaborators, their enablers, their coconspirators 880 00:48:40,134 --> 00:48:43,268 are all people who need to be brought to justice. 881 00:48:43,398 --> 00:48:46,358 The horrible heartache, 882 00:48:46,488 --> 00:48:48,926 collective heartache, of all of this. 883 00:48:50,753 --> 00:48:53,713 For these two people 884 00:48:53,843 --> 00:48:57,064 to have created for so many people, 885 00:48:57,195 --> 00:48:58,936 and then so many other people off of that, 886 00:48:59,066 --> 00:49:01,547 families and parents and all the other things 887 00:49:01,634 --> 00:49:06,160 that... that stem off of this, you know, shame on you. 888 00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:08,119 Shame on you, so... 889 00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:15,126 And not on me. 890 00:49:17,171 --> 00:49:22,960 I don't wish... harm. 891 00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:25,658 However, she does not deserve to be free. 892 00:49:25,788 --> 00:49:28,226 I can only hope 893 00:49:28,313 --> 00:49:31,533 that at some point 894 00:49:31,664 --> 00:49:35,711 she admits to herself 895 00:49:35,842 --> 00:49:37,061 what she's done, 896 00:49:37,191 --> 00:49:39,106 'cause I don't think she has, 897 00:49:39,237 --> 00:49:42,762 at this point... no. 71321

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