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- All right.
- I gotta tell you,
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I'm real proud to introduce
this next artist
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whose name's become synonymous
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with courage and integrity.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
Sin�ad O'Connor.
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Thank you.
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I didn't mean to be strong.
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I wasn't thinking to myself,
I must be strong.
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I didn't know I was strong.
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I did suffer through a lot
because everybody felt
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it was okay to kick
the shit out of me.
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I regret that I was
so sad because of it.
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I regret that I spent
so many years
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very lonely and isolated,
really.
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Ran down And the lady said it
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Got torn down
And the priest just said it
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Got burned down, ooh
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They give me five years
Ooh, five years
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It's my turn
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Oh, oh, Jerusalem
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Oh, oh, Jerusalem
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There was no therapy
when I was growing up.
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So the reason I got into
music group was therapy,
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which is why it was
such a shock for me
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to become a pop star,
it's not what I wanted.
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I just wanted to scream.
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Everybody in music has a story
in terms of their upbringing
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or where they came from
or what they went through.
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There's something they need
to get off their chest,
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and perhaps we all need
a bit of love and affection
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that we didn't get anywhere else
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but we get by making music.
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Come on over there and sit down.
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They're all, they're all
looking at you, Sin�ad,
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out there in television land.
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They're saying "Mother of God,
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what did she do with her head?
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Isn't that a disgrace?
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I hope my daughter
wouldn't turn out like that."
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- Isn't that what you're saying?
- Yes, you are.
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- Already, you are.
- How are you then?
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- I'm fine, thank you. How are you?
- Well done so far.
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Now from Glenageary,
you were a difficult child,
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Sin�ad O'Connor,
you were difficult growing up.
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You went through a lot
of schools, did you not?
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I think quite a few,
at the expense of my father.
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How many schools
did you go through and why?
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Um... I think, I don't know
how many, Dad? About five.
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Five or six.
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How many schools
did she go through?
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- I'd say no more than five or six.
- - Five or six.
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That's a bit
exaggerated actually.
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That's in one year, of course.
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And for me
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Some scarlet ribbons
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Scarlet ribbons
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For my hair...
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My very first musical memory
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is my father singing to me,
"Scarlet Ribbons".
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I just remember
being blown away.
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Like I remember like yesterday
I was lying on my pillow
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and my dad would
sing the song to me
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and I was like, "Oh, my God."
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The angels came in the window.
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...all the streets were dark.
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When I'm 11, my brother comes
home with " Slow Train Coming,"
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which completely changes my life
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and makes me want
to be a musician,
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and makes me
want to be an artist,
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and makes me know what
kind of artist I want to be
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because of the song
"Gotta Serve Somebody."
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And I was obsessed
with Bob Dylan from then on.
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My mother had this
fantastic record collection
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which she would spread out
on the dining room table
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every morning
like a deck of cards.
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Her musical tastes
ranged from John Lennon
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right through awful kind of
HMS Pinafore, Light Opera,
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right through to, like,
Porgy and Bess.
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And also in those days,
musicals were huge.
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That was all that
was ever on telly,
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was these just high class
musicals, you know.
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My mother always had
the soundtracks to them.
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My father was into cello,
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which I used to find just too
sad, given our circumstances.
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My parents separated
when I was quite young,
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and my mother
was a very violent woman,
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not a healthy woman
mentally at all.
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And she was physically
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and verbally
and psychologically,
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spiritually and
emotionally abusive.
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My mother was a beast,
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and I was able to soothe her
with my voice,
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I was able to use my voice
to make the devil fall asleep.
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My father is the type
of man that didn't want
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anyone talking
about what happened,
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and that's what
was wrong with me.
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It wasn't talked about,
even in the family.
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The cause of my own abuse
was the church's effect
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on this country,
which had produced my mother.
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I spent my entire childhood
being beaten up
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because of the social conditions
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under which my mother grew up
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and under which
her mother grew up
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and under which her mother
and her mother grew up.
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I would compare Ireland
to an abused child.
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I'd a terrible
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Broken heart
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I'd a terrible
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Broken heart...
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I began studying scriptures
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when I was very small,
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because I wanted to see
what was in this book
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that they were using
to oppress my people.
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Why were my grandparents
so miserable
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that they couldn't have a kiss
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without feeling like they
were going to burn in hell?
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The church
influenced everything.
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If it was a sin, then it was
against the law of the state.
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So divorce, contraception,
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and anything that
didn't agree entirely
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with a very narrow view
of the Catholic church,
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it was simply not allowed.
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It affected
every level of society.
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It was a mortal sin,
for example,
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to go to a dance
in some diocese,
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that didn't end at midnight.
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It was a mortal sin
to eat meat on a Friday.
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You could go to hell for
eating a sausage on a Friday.
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Everything was gathered around
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the power of the church
over its people.
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I had loved the Catholic church,
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and I had grown up so religious,
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like stupidly religious.
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I made my holy communion
and I took it seriously.
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That was a contract
with the holy spirit I made,
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and I believed it all,
and I was trying to live it.
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I went into care when I was 14,
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into care home for want
of a better description.
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I was a bit messed up.
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And it wasn't acknowledged
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what had happened to me
in my mother's house.
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I was unmanageable, really,
so they didn't want me at home.
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The place was called "An Grianan",
which means "The Sunrise."
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An Grianan was
a residential training centre
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run by a religious order,
by sisters.
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The girls came
from mixed backgrounds.
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Some had come from
other children's homes,
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have been in care
all their lives.
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Others had come from
insecure family settings
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and they needed somewhere
where there was structure
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and safety for a few years.
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They got a guitar teacher in
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who was the loveliest
woman alive,
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who I still know and
I still talk to now and then.
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She's bloody lovely.
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If not for her, I wouldn't have
made it through that place.
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The first night, I was there
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doing music with the girls,
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I asked her, would she like
to sing a song for us.
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And I won't forget it
as long as I live,
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because we were just stunned.
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We needed to encourage her
in this wonderful talent.
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Ooh, I'm freezing!
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When we decided to get married,
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I asked Sin�ad then
to do the solo.
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And she sang "Evergreen,"
which was my favourite song.
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One love
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Ageless and ever
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Evergreen
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The emotion of the song
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almost brought people to tears.
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- It was stunning.
- It was absolutely stunning.
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In the congregation
was her brother, Paul Byrne,
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and then he was forming
this band called In Tua Nua.
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We were searching for a singer.
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So when I heard this voice,
it stopped me in my tracks.
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After chatting with Sin�ad
on the steps of the church,
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I'd arranged to go up
and see her at An Grianan.
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We gave her a tape
and she phoned the next day.
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She had the lyrics
and the melody done.
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So we went back up the
next night and she sang it to us,
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and it was spectacular.
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We had to book a couple of
hours on a Wednesday afternoon
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because Sin�ad got a half day
from school on a Wednesday.
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Picked her up, did two hours
of vocals with her,
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and then had her back before
the nuns noticed she was missing.
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So the first song that I wrote,
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which became their first single,
was called "Take My Hand."
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It was a result
of the punishment
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the nun meted out to me one day,
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the nun, she could
be terribly kind,
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but she could also be
terribly cruel as well.
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Where I was, was attached
to a Magdalene Laundry.
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She sent me to sleep in the
hospice part of the laundry
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as punishment a couple of times,
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to remind me that
if I didn't behave myself,
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I was going to end up
like these women.
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When I went up, there was
no staff there with the ladies.
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There was never
any nuns or nurses.
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And the poor ancient ladies
who were the Magdalene girls
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were lying in their beds
calling out for nurses all night
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that never came, it was awful.
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I didn't know what to do,
and obviously, I was terrified.
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Take my hand
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These women,
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we're now talking
about the early '80s,
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some of them have been
there from the 1920s.
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These women, who through
no fault of their own,
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had just been put in
by the courts and by men.
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Very often the cases were
they had been raped
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by maybe the local priest,
the doctor, the father,
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or some pillar of society.
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They had to pay the price
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and were locked away
for their whole lives.
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The whole of Ireland
talks about these ladies,
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but I met them, I met them
at their most vulnerable.
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These people convinced my
father that they could help me
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with whatever
behavioural issues I had
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as a result of what had
happened to me growing up.
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But they didn't, they just
shut the door in his face
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when he dropped me there,
they took his money.
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The problems were compounded.
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We all were walking around
thinking we were terrible people
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that didn't deserve to live.
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My father, I'm sure
the world would acknowledge,
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deserves a refund.
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Young woman
With a drink in her hand
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She liked to listen
To rock and roll
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She moves with the music
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'Cause it never gets old
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Sin�ad and I met when we were
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both around 18 years old.
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We were very close
for a number of years
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until life kind of took us
in different directions.
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She really wanted
to be doing her music.
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I think she really knew
what she wanted to do,
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but I don't quite know
if she knew
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what path it would take her on.
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I put an ad
in Hot Press magazine
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that I was a singer and
I wanted to find a band to join.
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And I remember going
into these suburban houses,
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doing auditions for these
various different bands.
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Eventually I ended up meeting
this dude called Colm Farrelly
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who was
putting together this band.
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Ton Ton Macoute, so I became
the singer in that band.
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I had a job at the Bad Ass Cafe
on Crown Alley,
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and we used to rehearse
right across the road from it.
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We did nothing
but rehearse live,
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which is why I love
live performing.
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And every rehearsal
was like a gig.
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Nigel Grainge and Chris Hill
came over to Dublin
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to see us, Ton Ton Macoute.
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About six months later,
my mother unfortunately died,
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very selfishly.
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Months after that, I get a
phone call from Chris and Nigel.
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He said, "Well,
why don't you come to London
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and do some demos?"
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For five long years
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I thought you were my man
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But I found out
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I'm just a link
In your chain
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You got me
Where you want me
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I ain't nothin'
But your fool
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You treated me mean
265
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Oh, you treated me cruel
266
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I worked with Sin�ad
from her arrival in London
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through to the development
of and the recording
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of her first album,
"Lion and the Cobra."
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Our job as a sort of group
of musicians from the outset
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was to help her
to find her feet.
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She'd already found her voice,
272
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but she wanted to find
the sort of musical clothing
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that she wanted to wrap
around that amazing voice.
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What's it called?
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Um, we haven't got
a name for it yet.
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So we went into
a rehearsal studio in Putney
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and started to routine the songs
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and get used to the dynamics
and arrangements.
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It makes a big difference
if you can go in
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and rehearse for a long time.
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Nigel Grange was the head
of Ensign at the time.
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He was quite used to putting
people into a position
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of being able to work
for long periods.
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So he's a kind of nurturer.
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I'm just as guilty as you
286
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I'm just as ashamed as you
287
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The first time
I heard Sin�ad's voice,
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it's just unbelievable.
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It was jumping octaves
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and going from whisper
to scream in half a second.
291
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I mean, it was just amazing,
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a young kid from Dublin,
you know.
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And
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I'm just as guilty as you
295
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You often hear artists saying
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that they're
channelling something.
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I think actually
you're channelling yourself.
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Your subconscious
is talking to you.
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I just had these songs inside me
300
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that had to come out.
301
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They were very, very personal
302
00:19:23,064 --> 00:19:25,664
and they were
sort of cathartic, really.
303
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There were kind of songs
to help her, to heal her.
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In some respects,
I think the band that we were,
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the band of musicians
who were around her,
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were something of
a family for her.
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We were safe.
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Fachtna O'Ceallaigh had been
Boomtown Rats' manager
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and had run U2's label.
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He came over to London
and became Sin�ad's manager.
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I had a great time
hanging out with Fachtna,
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and Fachtna used to bring me
to Portobello Road on Saturdays,
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where he had
his friend Lepkey, and Leroy.
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He used to have
the Dread Broadcasting Company
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and they had the open mics.
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Bearing in mind I'm Irish
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and I've come
from the theocracy,
318
00:20:21,948 --> 00:20:23,468
and these guys were coming along
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roaring about the Pope
is the devil,
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and fucking burn the Vatican
and all this stuff,
321
00:20:26,988 --> 00:20:28,628
so that was like,
"Oh, my God, I'm home."
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I couldn't believe it.
323
00:20:30,269 --> 00:20:32,549
I fell in love with
Rasta at that point.
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Love to everyone. You're back
in tune to The Rankin' Miss P,
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on DBC, the Dread
Broadcasting Corporation,
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103.8 every Friday.
327
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We're electric, y'all.
328
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She was really shy
329
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and she was living down
in east London with her auntie.
330
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She didn't know anyone,
and so we just hung out.
331
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We did a lot of driving
around London, you know,
332
00:21:14,312 --> 00:21:17,312
with the stereo on, just having
a great time actually,
333
00:21:17,352 --> 00:21:18,752
just being kids, to be honest.
334
00:21:24,352 --> 00:21:29,872
Ensign wanted Sin�ad
to be a musical commodity.
335
00:21:29,913 --> 00:21:32,193
They wanted me
to grow the hair long
336
00:21:32,194 --> 00:21:34,514
and wear short skirts
and high heels,
337
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makeup and the whole works,
338
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write songs that wouldn't
challenge anything.
339
00:21:38,235 --> 00:21:40,235
But then I come
from a country where
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00:21:40,274 --> 00:21:43,314
there used to be riots
in the streets over plays.
341
00:21:44,796 --> 00:21:46,676
That's what art is for.
342
00:21:49,315 --> 00:21:52,995
That led to her deciding
to shave off all her hair.
343
00:22:13,237 --> 00:22:15,237
At the time, I was
her closest female friend.
344
00:22:15,237 --> 00:22:18,117
I think... I went
to see some friends,
345
00:22:18,118 --> 00:22:20,158
and when I got back to her flat,
346
00:22:20,157 --> 00:22:22,077
she wouldn't open the door.
347
00:22:22,078 --> 00:22:24,118
She just said,
"I can't, I can't.
348
00:22:24,158 --> 00:22:26,038
You got to look
through the letter box,
349
00:22:26,038 --> 00:22:27,918
I've done something
and you're going to kill me."
350
00:22:27,958 --> 00:22:29,758
I looked through the letterbox
and there she was
351
00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:32,519
with a completely shaved head.
352
00:22:38,919 --> 00:22:41,039
The label were
trying to brand Sin�ad
353
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,079
with those really obvious
generic female labels.
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00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,479
Obviously she was having
absolutely none of it.
355
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,560
You just looked at
somebody and went,
356
00:22:51,561 --> 00:22:54,001
"We know now what
we're dealing with."
357
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,600
It's a powerful statement
for a woman because she says,
358
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,720
"Don't fuck with me."
359
00:23:05,761 --> 00:23:08,081
Me and John
were friends for a year
360
00:23:08,122 --> 00:23:10,522
before, you know, we ever
went out with each other.
361
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,561
We were both going out with
different people and everything.
362
00:23:12,562 --> 00:23:14,122
And then we just kind
of drifted into it,
363
00:23:14,162 --> 00:23:15,722
and then within a month
I was pregnant.
364
00:23:19,322 --> 00:23:21,442
The record companies in
those days had their own doctors
365
00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:23,563
that they sent you to.
366
00:23:23,562 --> 00:23:26,442
The doctor announces that
the record company have spent
367
00:23:26,443 --> 00:23:28,163
a hundred thousand pounds
making your record,
368
00:23:28,163 --> 00:23:30,363
you owe it to them
not to have this baby.
369
00:23:32,044 --> 00:23:34,564
Ensign tried to dissuade her
370
00:23:34,563 --> 00:23:38,883
from carrying on the pregnancy
and giving birth to Jake,
371
00:23:38,923 --> 00:23:43,563
and thankfully, she
obviously stood her ground,
372
00:23:43,564 --> 00:23:47,204
but they did put pressure on
her to terminate the pregnancy.
373
00:23:49,205 --> 00:23:51,085
That was the final straw for me.
374
00:23:51,084 --> 00:23:53,284
I was sick of the
fuckin' record anyway.
375
00:23:53,285 --> 00:23:54,445
I hated the fuckin' record.
376
00:23:57,525 --> 00:23:59,725
There was a big fallout.
377
00:23:59,765 --> 00:24:03,085
Fachtna O'Ceallaigh
was working very hard
378
00:24:03,085 --> 00:24:06,125
to persuade the label
to just give her scope,
379
00:24:06,126 --> 00:24:08,086
to just change tack.
380
00:24:08,086 --> 00:24:11,206
Basically they said,
"Have a go."
381
00:24:11,206 --> 00:24:13,086
In my part,
it was a response to them
382
00:24:13,126 --> 00:24:15,446
telling me I owe it to them
to not have my baby.
383
00:24:15,447 --> 00:24:16,767
And I was like,
"well, it ain't worth it
384
00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:19,247
for a shit fuckin' record."
385
00:24:19,287 --> 00:24:22,287
I just knew that I didn't
want any man telling me
386
00:24:22,287 --> 00:24:25,647
who I could be or what I could
be or what to sound like.
387
00:24:25,647 --> 00:24:27,487
I came from
a patriarchal country
388
00:24:27,487 --> 00:24:29,687
where I'm being told
everything I can and can't do
389
00:24:29,687 --> 00:24:31,767
because I'm a girl.
390
00:24:31,768 --> 00:24:34,088
I figured, well, if I didn't
take it from the system
391
00:24:34,128 --> 00:24:35,848
and I didn't take
it from my daddy,
392
00:24:35,848 --> 00:24:37,728
I ain't taking it
from anybody else.
393
00:24:37,768 --> 00:24:39,288
Can I do two?
394
00:24:50,169 --> 00:24:52,089
The whole of
"The Lion and the Cobra"
395
00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:55,330
was completely scrapped
and we started again.
396
00:24:55,330 --> 00:24:58,450
That was a really important
turning point in that record.
397
00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:03,570
The second version was fresher,
younger, and spontaneous.
398
00:25:03,571 --> 00:25:05,291
Put your hands on me
399
00:25:05,290 --> 00:25:11,050
Put 'em on, put 'em on
Put 'em on me
400
00:25:15,011 --> 00:25:19,931
Hands, gimme love
401
00:25:24,372 --> 00:25:29,212
Hands, gimme those
402
00:25:32,252 --> 00:25:34,812
I want your
403
00:25:34,853 --> 00:25:36,293
Gimme, yes
404
00:25:39,453 --> 00:25:41,733
Gimme this
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00:25:44,974 --> 00:25:46,974
When we got
the first album cover,
406
00:25:46,974 --> 00:25:49,174
I was frozen like a rabbit
in the headlights
407
00:25:49,173 --> 00:25:50,413
getting my picture taken.
408
00:25:52,774 --> 00:25:55,774
Put on the album and got me
to scream along with the album.
409
00:25:55,774 --> 00:25:57,134
So that's why
there's the picture of me
410
00:25:57,134 --> 00:25:58,774
looks like I'm screaming,
411
00:25:58,775 --> 00:26:00,295
which they wouldn't
use in America
412
00:26:00,334 --> 00:26:01,614
because it was too
aggressive-looking
413
00:26:01,615 --> 00:26:04,015
as far as they were concerned.
414
00:26:04,055 --> 00:26:05,415
I didn't realize
that they'd have to do
415
00:26:05,456 --> 00:26:07,336
a different one for America.
416
00:26:07,335 --> 00:26:08,935
It was only when it came out
and I thought,
417
00:26:08,936 --> 00:26:10,696
"Yeah, of course
they couldn't have
418
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:12,455
a picture of her screaming."
419
00:26:12,495 --> 00:26:15,535
You know, that would
scare too many people.
420
00:26:15,536 --> 00:26:17,816
I had to photograph
her for the cover
421
00:26:17,816 --> 00:26:20,336
from the shoulders up
422
00:26:20,336 --> 00:26:22,456
because the record company
didn't want to see her pregnant.
423
00:26:22,457 --> 00:26:24,257
Once we had got the pictures
424
00:26:24,256 --> 00:26:27,056
that we knew
the record company needed,
425
00:26:27,057 --> 00:26:29,737
we just did what we wanted.
426
00:26:29,737 --> 00:26:32,177
It was, you know,
a joy to photograph
427
00:26:32,218 --> 00:26:34,778
this little girl with her
bald head and her big belly,
428
00:26:34,777 --> 00:26:37,737
amazing looking.
429
00:26:37,778 --> 00:26:41,418
I think her image
screamed more than feminism,
430
00:26:41,458 --> 00:26:43,138
beyond feminism at the time.
431
00:26:43,178 --> 00:26:46,938
I think it was just
like non-binary,
432
00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:52,338
incredible intersectional
feminist attitude.
433
00:26:52,379 --> 00:26:57,099
Her fashion sense was like
35 years ahead of the time.
434
00:26:59,459 --> 00:27:02,099
People found it
problematic just because
435
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:06,260
they read the language of
skinhead into the shaved head.
436
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:09,180
It suggested some
kind of aggression,
437
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:11,420
but actually the beauty
of her features,
438
00:27:11,461 --> 00:27:13,061
the quality of her eyes,
439
00:27:13,061 --> 00:27:16,941
it created a fantastic
contradiction.
440
00:27:16,940 --> 00:27:19,700
As a filmmaker, gave me
a very graphic, powerful image
441
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,300
from the get-go.
442
00:27:22,341 --> 00:27:23,901
Anytime I worked
with John Maybury,
443
00:27:23,901 --> 00:27:25,421
it was amazing 'cos he came with
444
00:27:25,421 --> 00:27:28,501
a whole gang of glorious queens.
445
00:27:28,542 --> 00:27:33,142
The set makers, stylists,
the makeup people, you know,
446
00:27:33,182 --> 00:27:37,222
and they like
genuinely adored me.
447
00:27:45,583 --> 00:27:48,343
I felt so safe and looked after.
448
00:27:48,343 --> 00:27:50,103
I felt like I had like
a hundred daddies.
449
00:27:55,584 --> 00:27:59,664
You do
450
00:27:59,664 --> 00:28:03,584
Something to me
451
00:28:07,064 --> 00:28:10,224
She recognized
in us kind of a sense of
452
00:28:10,225 --> 00:28:13,865
some kind of kindred spirit,
but there was no judgement.
453
00:28:13,865 --> 00:28:17,465
There was no critiquing
in any kind of personal terms.
454
00:28:17,505 --> 00:28:20,505
And she was free to be who
she wanted to be within that
455
00:28:20,546 --> 00:28:24,706
because everyone else was free
to be who they wanted to be.
456
00:28:24,706 --> 00:28:27,786
I had never, until I went
to London, seen gay people.
457
00:28:27,826 --> 00:28:30,106
They were so inspiring
and still are to me,
458
00:28:30,106 --> 00:28:32,506
especially the ones that
were dressing like women.
459
00:28:34,227 --> 00:28:36,147
You couldn't do that in Ireland.
460
00:28:36,187 --> 00:28:37,747
You'd have the shit kicked
out of you, you know?
461
00:28:41,188 --> 00:28:44,228
Let me live 'neath your spell
462
00:28:44,229 --> 00:28:48,309
Do do that voodoo
463
00:28:48,348 --> 00:28:51,948
That you do so well
464
00:28:53,588 --> 00:28:58,468
For you do
465
00:28:58,509 --> 00:29:02,669
Something to me
466
00:29:02,709 --> 00:29:07,069
That nobody else
467
00:29:07,068 --> 00:29:12,628
Can do
468
00:29:12,629 --> 00:29:17,669
That nobody else
469
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:25,110
Can do
470
00:29:33,511 --> 00:29:37,151
Why I like performing
and why I like singing loud
471
00:29:37,151 --> 00:29:39,271
and stuff like that is because
472
00:29:39,272 --> 00:29:42,912
I am quietly spoken
and quite withdrawn...
473
00:29:42,912 --> 00:29:46,392
and into myself, and in
my, sort of, normal life,
474
00:29:46,393 --> 00:29:49,713
so it's quite a release to climb
on the stage and scream for an hour.
475
00:29:49,753 --> 00:29:53,393
At the end of my day
476
00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:55,272
Nothing would
477
00:29:55,273 --> 00:29:59,313
Nothing would
Please me better
478
00:29:59,353 --> 00:30:04,833
Than I find that you're there
When I wake
479
00:30:07,154 --> 00:30:11,154
Just like you
Said it would be
480
00:30:11,155 --> 00:30:13,755
Just like you
Said it would be
481
00:30:15,714 --> 00:30:17,994
Just like you
Said it would be
482
00:30:19,995 --> 00:30:22,595
Just like you
Said it would be
483
00:30:24,236 --> 00:30:28,436
Will you be my lover?
484
00:30:28,436 --> 00:30:32,196
Will you be my mama?
485
00:30:32,196 --> 00:30:35,996
I said will you my my mama?
486
00:30:38,996 --> 00:30:40,956
There are a lot
of songs that I've written
487
00:30:40,957 --> 00:30:44,317
about my mother's death
or in response to her death.
488
00:30:44,357 --> 00:30:46,637
And " Troy," I think
was the first one.
489
00:30:48,318 --> 00:30:50,318
It's also the first song
I've wrote
490
00:30:50,317 --> 00:30:52,997
where I'm telling anybody
about anything that's happened.
491
00:30:52,998 --> 00:30:54,998
I'll remember it
492
00:30:57,598 --> 00:31:01,438
Dublin in a rainstorm
493
00:31:01,438 --> 00:31:05,878
And sitting
In the long grass in summer
494
00:31:05,878 --> 00:31:09,118
Keeping warm...
495
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:10,719
One of the very traumatic things
496
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,480
that happened to me growing up,
497
00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:14,439
was that my mother
had me living in the garden.
498
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,280
So once when I was
eight-and-a-half,
499
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,000
I lived in the garden
24/7 for a week or two.
500
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,520
I'm talking in that song
about that experience,
501
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:25,599
the whole thing of sitting
in the long grass in summer
502
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,440
trying to keep warm.
503
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,560
So I'm out in the garden
in the fucking dark
504
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,360
and when it's coming to dusk
and I still hate dusk
505
00:31:32,401 --> 00:31:34,281
to this day, I don't mind
if it's day or night,
506
00:31:34,321 --> 00:31:36,841
but dusk, I don't like.
507
00:31:36,881 --> 00:31:38,841
And I'd be looking up
at the only window
508
00:31:38,842 --> 00:31:41,002
at the side of the house
where she'd have a light on
509
00:31:41,041 --> 00:31:43,521
and I'd be screaming,
begging her to let me in.
510
00:31:43,521 --> 00:31:45,121
And she wouldn't let me in,
the light would go off,
511
00:31:45,162 --> 00:31:46,802
the house go dark.
512
00:31:49,762 --> 00:31:52,202
Every other song I'm writing
is about somebody else
513
00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:53,882
or from the point of view
of somebody else.
514
00:31:53,923 --> 00:31:56,403
"Troy" is the first song
I've written about me.
515
00:31:56,443 --> 00:32:00,163
It's not a song,
it's a fucking testament.
516
00:32:03,002 --> 00:32:06,282
And you should've
Left the light on
517
00:32:06,283 --> 00:32:10,643
You should've
Left the light on
518
00:32:10,684 --> 00:32:15,524
Then I wouldn't have tried
You'd never have known
519
00:32:18,805 --> 00:32:22,205
And I wouldn't have
Pulled you tighter
520
00:32:22,205 --> 00:32:26,245
No, I wouldn't have
Pulled you close
521
00:32:26,284 --> 00:32:27,684
I wouldn't have screamed
522
00:32:27,725 --> 00:32:31,085
No, I can't let you go
523
00:32:31,085 --> 00:32:34,165
If the door wasn't closed
524
00:32:34,206 --> 00:32:38,046
No, I wouldn't have
Pulled you to me
525
00:32:38,046 --> 00:32:42,126
No, I wouldn't have kissed
Your face
526
00:32:42,166 --> 00:32:44,886
You wouldn't have
Begged me to hold you
527
00:32:44,887 --> 00:32:49,447
If we hadn't been there
In the first place
528
00:32:49,446 --> 00:32:54,926
Oh, but I know you
Wanted me to be there
529
00:32:54,967 --> 00:32:58,367
Oh, oh
530
00:32:58,368 --> 00:33:03,808
Every look
That you threw told me so
531
00:33:07,249 --> 00:33:09,009
"Troy" is not safe.
532
00:33:09,048 --> 00:33:10,728
I don't need
to dig that up again.
533
00:33:10,728 --> 00:33:12,168
It's like trauma therapy.
534
00:33:13,889 --> 00:33:16,289
There would've been
no point writing
535
00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,608
and/or going around
the world screaming "Troy"
536
00:33:18,609 --> 00:33:20,729
into microphones, if there
wasn't going to come a day,
537
00:33:20,730 --> 00:33:23,090
one day that I didn't
need to do that anymore.
538
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:30,690
Make no difference
What you say
539
00:33:30,731 --> 00:33:32,611
You're still a liar
540
00:33:34,810 --> 00:33:36,610
You're still a liar
541
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:41,810
You're still a liar
542
00:33:55,332 --> 00:33:57,692
Sin�ad was pregnant
all through the making
543
00:33:57,732 --> 00:33:59,332
of "The Lion and the Cobra"
544
00:33:59,372 --> 00:34:01,372
And I think in many
ways, actually,
545
00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:04,772
it was quite grounding
to have a baby very young.
546
00:34:04,773 --> 00:34:07,973
In some way, I think it
probably kept us sane.
547
00:34:09,813 --> 00:34:14,173
There's nothing more deep
and real than a baby.
548
00:34:14,214 --> 00:34:16,054
And there's nothing more
fake and unimportant
549
00:34:16,053 --> 00:34:19,293
than fame, really.
550
00:34:19,293 --> 00:34:21,213
Dana Dane making her first
appearance on Top of the Pops.
551
00:34:21,214 --> 00:34:23,174
Here's another lady making
her first appearance.
552
00:34:23,174 --> 00:34:24,734
She's got an excellent
new album out at the moment
553
00:34:24,734 --> 00:34:26,294
called "The Lion and the Cobra",
554
00:34:26,334 --> 00:34:28,614
and a single Mandinka
at 22 in the charts.
555
00:34:28,615 --> 00:34:30,455
This is Sin�ad O'Connor.
556
00:34:32,735 --> 00:34:34,455
I remember watching
557
00:34:34,496 --> 00:34:36,176
Sin�ad on Top of the Pops.
558
00:34:36,175 --> 00:34:38,775
It's just seemed quite
surreal to be honest,
559
00:34:38,775 --> 00:34:40,895
because she was just my friend,
560
00:34:40,895 --> 00:34:45,575
but she was this other person
in other people's eyes.
561
00:34:47,016 --> 00:34:50,856
I'm dancing the seven veils
562
00:34:50,857 --> 00:34:54,857
Want you to pick up
My scarf
563
00:34:54,857 --> 00:34:58,617
See how
The black moon fades
564
00:34:58,617 --> 00:35:02,417
Soon I can give you
My heart
565
00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:18,858
I don't know no shame
566
00:35:18,859 --> 00:35:20,219
I feel no pain
567
00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:25,019
I can't see the flame
568
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:31,939
But I do know Mandinka
569
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:40,060
I do know Mandinka
570
00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:47,541
I do know Mandinka
571
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:51,420
I do
572
00:35:54,062 --> 00:35:56,782
When "Mandinka" was released,
573
00:35:56,781 --> 00:35:58,621
it just jumps out of the
radio, it was one of those songs.
574
00:35:58,622 --> 00:36:03,862
Oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh
575
00:36:03,863 --> 00:36:08,743
I do, oh, oh, oh
576
00:36:10,263 --> 00:36:15,743
I said I do
577
00:36:17,103 --> 00:36:21,103
I swear I do...
578
00:36:21,104 --> 00:36:22,904
You know, it was almost
like she had always been there
579
00:36:22,903 --> 00:36:25,423
once she came on the scene
because you really
580
00:36:25,424 --> 00:36:27,984
couldn't imagine your life
without her at that point.
581
00:36:27,984 --> 00:36:32,144
I do Mandinka...
582
00:36:32,144 --> 00:36:35,984
I heard "Mandinka"
at a club in Boulder, Colorado.
583
00:36:36,024 --> 00:36:38,544
I just remember hearing
the voice and it's nothing
584
00:36:38,545 --> 00:36:42,185
other than something
that stops you in your tracks.
585
00:36:42,225 --> 00:36:44,545
Soon I can give
You my heart...
586
00:36:44,546 --> 00:36:47,946
I hear that voice
and I feel comforted.
587
00:36:56,705 --> 00:36:58,585
And that first album, like,
588
00:36:58,586 --> 00:37:01,466
the entire thing
was just stunning.
589
00:37:01,507 --> 00:37:05,027
Telling me he'd be home
590
00:37:05,067 --> 00:37:08,707
Sailed the seas
For a hundred years
591
00:37:08,707 --> 00:37:13,787
Leaving me all alone
592
00:37:13,787 --> 00:37:16,867
"The Lion and the Cobra"
was an amazing album
593
00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:19,268
just because there
was no filler on it.
594
00:37:19,268 --> 00:37:20,988
So as a critic, you know,
that was one of the first things
595
00:37:20,988 --> 00:37:22,948
that drew me to it.
596
00:37:22,948 --> 00:37:26,068
She also has a very
singular voice and perspective
597
00:37:26,068 --> 00:37:29,948
and very strong
personality-wise.
598
00:37:29,989 --> 00:37:31,789
To me, it was like
the whole package.
599
00:37:31,789 --> 00:37:34,189
I remember the day
The young man came
600
00:37:34,229 --> 00:37:37,909
He said, "Your Jackie's gone
We got lost in the rain"
601
00:37:37,949 --> 00:37:41,149
And I ran to the beach
602
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:42,990
And laid me down...
603
00:37:42,989 --> 00:37:45,229
The thing about
"The Lion and the Cobra" is,
604
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:48,590
you don't get that as
a debut album every day.
605
00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:51,550
Those things come
like once in a lifetime.
606
00:37:51,551 --> 00:37:53,151
Like the back of his hand
607
00:37:53,151 --> 00:37:56,071
He'll be back sometime
608
00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:58,150
Laughing at you...
609
00:37:58,151 --> 00:37:59,951
And many times
in your performances,
610
00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:02,750
there's an intensity, almost
a rage burning inside of you.
611
00:38:02,751 --> 00:38:04,271
Where does that come from?
612
00:38:04,312 --> 00:38:06,752
You're a small, demure,
quiet sort of person.
613
00:38:06,752 --> 00:38:08,352
I don't know.
614
00:38:08,352 --> 00:38:09,672
Perhaps there's something
twisted about me
615
00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:12,272
that I haven't realized yet.
616
00:38:12,272 --> 00:38:14,912
You've also said that
non-traditional Irish musicians
617
00:38:14,913 --> 00:38:18,553
seem to have to leave
Ireland to make it.
618
00:38:18,592 --> 00:38:21,712
If you're a woman
in particular, and unless
619
00:38:21,752 --> 00:38:24,912
you're very sort of timid
and you want to make
620
00:38:24,913 --> 00:38:27,713
nice Irish music,
which I respect and everything,
621
00:38:27,713 --> 00:38:29,513
life can be very difficult
for you because people
622
00:38:29,513 --> 00:38:32,353
can't actually handle a woman
doing anything different.
623
00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:40,315
When I leave Ireland,
it's virtually unheard of
624
00:38:40,314 --> 00:38:42,714
for a woman to be
making her own living
625
00:38:42,714 --> 00:38:44,794
and independent of men.
626
00:38:47,715 --> 00:38:51,115
The Irish fucking constitution
still contains the wording
627
00:38:51,115 --> 00:38:53,155
that a woman's place
is in the home.
628
00:38:53,155 --> 00:38:57,715
So I was very lucky, from 1985
I was making my own living.
629
00:38:57,756 --> 00:39:00,756
So many people in this country,
women in particular,
630
00:39:00,757 --> 00:39:04,917
had to say no when they wanted
to say yes to themselves,
631
00:39:04,956 --> 00:39:07,796
or be open about their anger.
632
00:39:07,836 --> 00:39:10,916
At that time in Ireland, women
weren't allowed to be angry.
633
00:39:10,957 --> 00:39:12,757
And I think that might've
been hard for some of them
634
00:39:12,796 --> 00:39:14,756
because, you know,
they had spent their whole life
635
00:39:14,797 --> 00:39:16,477
saying no to themselves.
636
00:39:26,477 --> 00:39:28,557
Tonight, the Grammy
awards are presenting
637
00:39:28,558 --> 00:39:31,078
best rock vocal
performance female.
638
00:39:31,078 --> 00:39:33,158
Our first performer
is 21 years old,
639
00:39:33,198 --> 00:39:35,398
comes from Ireland
and with her very first album,
640
00:39:35,398 --> 00:39:37,758
"The Lion and the Cobra",
she has served notice
641
00:39:37,759 --> 00:39:39,599
that this is no ordinary talent.
642
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,119
Ladies and gentlemen,
please meet Sin�ad O'Connor.
643
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,760
I'm dancing the seven veils
644
00:40:01,761 --> 00:40:05,521
Want you to pick up
My scarf
645
00:40:05,521 --> 00:40:09,401
See how
The black moon fades
646
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Soon I can
Give you my heart...
647
00:40:13,121 --> 00:40:15,001
I remember talking to
her the next day and she said,
648
00:40:15,041 --> 00:40:18,321
"Oh, my God, I went
on stage and Stevie Wonder
649
00:40:18,322 --> 00:40:20,962
was sitting in the front row."
650
00:40:20,962 --> 00:40:24,882
And we were
Stevie Wonder freaks.
651
00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:27,483
So this was quite a leap,
you know.
652
00:40:27,523 --> 00:40:29,843
I don't know no shame
653
00:40:29,842 --> 00:40:31,362
I feel no pain
654
00:40:31,363 --> 00:40:36,243
I can't see the flame
655
00:40:38,163 --> 00:40:43,843
But I do know Man-din-ka
656
00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:48,244
You know,
you're there and you're looking
657
00:40:48,245 --> 00:40:50,005
at all these people that
you've watched on the television
658
00:40:50,005 --> 00:40:51,805
and there's people like
Quincy Jones and Stevie Wonder
659
00:40:51,804 --> 00:40:53,444
and I was just like...
660
00:40:53,445 --> 00:40:57,245
I do know Mandinka...
661
00:40:57,285 --> 00:40:59,445
As I sang Mandinka,
I had "Jake's baby girl"
662
00:40:59,485 --> 00:41:01,965
on the back of my pants and
I had Public Enemy logo painted
663
00:41:01,965 --> 00:41:03,845
into the side of my head.
664
00:41:03,846 --> 00:41:06,126
They decided they
wouldn't go to the Grammy's
665
00:41:06,125 --> 00:41:08,485
quite rightly because
they were protesting.
666
00:41:10,927 --> 00:41:14,807
I protested the Grammy's in 1989
667
00:41:14,806 --> 00:41:16,806
because they refused
to recognize
668
00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:18,727
rap music and hip-hop
669
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:21,206
as a legitimate
musical category.
670
00:41:21,207 --> 00:41:23,807
I thought it was like admirable
671
00:41:23,807 --> 00:41:27,127
when she put the Public
Enemy logo on her head.
672
00:41:27,128 --> 00:41:29,288
With Sin�ad O'Connor,
you didn't get the sense
673
00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:30,967
that she was
just being pretentious,
674
00:41:31,008 --> 00:41:32,648
that she was fake.
675
00:41:32,648 --> 00:41:34,168
It was like, yeah,
676
00:41:34,208 --> 00:41:36,888
she seriously
has issues with this.
677
00:41:36,888 --> 00:41:39,128
This is what's going
to drive her artistry,
678
00:41:39,128 --> 00:41:40,488
she's committed to that.
679
00:41:49,009 --> 00:41:51,609
It was a brilliant performance.
680
00:41:51,609 --> 00:41:53,849
At that point, she was
the darling of everyone.
681
00:41:59,369 --> 00:42:00,969
In one way, I loved it.
682
00:42:00,970 --> 00:42:03,370
Obviously I was
a very young woman
683
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:06,130
and you kind of fantasize
about being famous.
684
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:09,730
In another way,
I was frightened by it.
685
00:42:09,731 --> 00:42:12,131
What maybe was difficult
for me was the timing
686
00:42:12,131 --> 00:42:14,091
of the success thing,
it meant that I suddenly had
687
00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:18,171
this identity and I didn't
feel like it was really me.
688
00:42:18,172 --> 00:42:21,892
To be honest, I also had
very little self-esteem.
689
00:42:21,931 --> 00:42:24,811
I couldn't understand why
anyone liked my records.
690
00:42:28,452 --> 00:42:31,012
Let me tell you
how stupid I am. Um...
691
00:42:31,012 --> 00:42:33,092
Okay.
692
00:42:33,133 --> 00:42:34,893
We were sitting here
doing this interview
693
00:42:34,893 --> 00:42:37,613
and I had accepted the fact
that your head was shaved
694
00:42:37,613 --> 00:42:40,293
and didn't even think
about it very much.
695
00:42:40,294 --> 00:42:42,614
Well, that's good, that means
we don't have to talk about it.
696
00:42:42,612 --> 00:42:44,652
I know, but I see,
everybody else in America
697
00:42:44,653 --> 00:42:46,413
is looking at me saying,
698
00:42:46,414 --> 00:42:48,734
"Why doesn't that idiot ask her
why her head is shaved?"
699
00:42:48,773 --> 00:42:50,973
So now I'm doing it.
700
00:42:50,974 --> 00:42:54,014
I just cut my hair because
I wanted to cut my hair, you know?
701
00:42:54,014 --> 00:42:56,214
It's like, you know,
I wear red knickers one day
702
00:42:56,254 --> 00:42:58,574
because I want to wear
red knickers, you know?
703
00:42:58,575 --> 00:43:00,415
And then black another day.
704
00:43:00,415 --> 00:43:02,055
We wouldn't call those
knickers though, we'd call it...
705
00:43:02,095 --> 00:43:03,855
No.
706
00:43:11,815 --> 00:43:16,015
We got married at the
spiritualist centre in Sloane Square
707
00:43:16,015 --> 00:43:19,175
and we'd been going to
the spiritualist centre a lot
708
00:43:19,176 --> 00:43:21,736
because obviously,
Sin�ad lost her mom,
709
00:43:21,776 --> 00:43:23,936
I'd lost my dad and a sister.
710
00:43:23,937 --> 00:43:26,177
And we were kind
of trying to make
711
00:43:26,176 --> 00:43:29,936
some kind of spiritual
connections if we could.
712
00:43:29,937 --> 00:43:32,537
It was a sort of
a therapy for us in a way.
713
00:43:32,537 --> 00:43:36,057
We had an amazing time there,
so we got married there.
714
00:43:36,057 --> 00:43:37,817
It was brilliant,
it was a great day.
715
00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:54,778
In 1989, we filmed
Hush-a-Bye Baby in Derry.
716
00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:57,379
And it was in that
film Hush-a-Bye Baby
717
00:43:57,379 --> 00:43:59,819
that Sin�ad made
her acting debut.
718
00:44:01,619 --> 00:44:03,379
She came over with John.
719
00:44:03,380 --> 00:44:05,820
She was fairly newly married,
I think.
720
00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:07,820
She brought
her little son, Jake,
721
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:10,380
who was just a toddler
at that stage.
722
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:14,900
Of course, I only have
eyes for Lecce Loves.
723
00:44:22,021 --> 00:44:24,941
Jesus Christ, Nigella.
724
00:44:24,941 --> 00:44:27,341
We'll be barred
and it'll be your fault.
725
00:44:27,342 --> 00:44:29,822
Sloppy tit, going on
about what's his face.
726
00:44:35,021 --> 00:44:37,461
We were trying
to contribute to the debate
727
00:44:37,462 --> 00:44:41,182
that was raging in Ireland at
the time about abortion rights
728
00:44:41,182 --> 00:44:44,462
and women's sexuality and
how women were being treated.
729
00:44:44,463 --> 00:44:46,423
And I think she had
exactly the same feelings
730
00:44:46,463 --> 00:44:49,543
like so many thousands
of other women,
731
00:44:49,584 --> 00:44:52,944
especially young women.
732
00:44:52,944 --> 00:44:55,904
It's about a 15-year-old
school girl who gets pregnant
733
00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:59,583
and about the obvious
trauma and awfulness
734
00:44:59,584 --> 00:45:01,584
that she goes through
because of the fact
735
00:45:01,584 --> 00:45:03,584
that she's pregnant and the
fact that teenage pregnancy
736
00:45:03,584 --> 00:45:05,784
is just the worst thing
that could possibly happen
737
00:45:05,784 --> 00:45:08,664
and people aren't very
supportive about it in general.
738
00:45:08,705 --> 00:45:11,425
And girls are made
to feel as if they're sluts
739
00:45:11,425 --> 00:45:14,425
and they're some sort
of whore, you know,
740
00:45:14,426 --> 00:45:16,306
for sleeping with somebody
and things like that.
741
00:45:16,305 --> 00:45:18,105
And because of things
like the church
742
00:45:18,145 --> 00:45:20,785
and the contraceptive laws
and all that sort of thing
743
00:45:20,785 --> 00:45:21,865
and the abortion laws.
744
00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:31,466
In the 80s and 90s and
obviously the decades before that,
745
00:45:31,467 --> 00:45:35,067
women were treated
abominably in Ireland.
746
00:45:35,067 --> 00:45:40,987
Women's lives were patrolled
and investigated and surveilled
747
00:45:40,987 --> 00:45:45,187
and tampered with
every minute of their lives.
748
00:45:45,227 --> 00:45:46,867
It was appalling.
749
00:45:52,268 --> 00:45:53,828
There was
a sense of being in this
750
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:55,949
little backward place, you know,
751
00:45:55,948 --> 00:45:57,908
where the light wasn't
really shining brightly
752
00:45:57,909 --> 00:45:59,989
and you couldn't
get contraception,
753
00:46:00,028 --> 00:46:03,988
you couldn't get condoms,
so this was a big issue.
754
00:46:03,989 --> 00:46:07,269
You didn't talk about sex and you
certainly didn't talk about abortion.
755
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:12,790
It's quite a similar story
to your own, isn't it?
756
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:14,590
No.
757
00:46:14,590 --> 00:46:16,750
You had a baby
when you were very young.
758
00:46:16,791 --> 00:46:20,991
Last time you told me that there
were certain attitudes in Ireland.
759
00:46:21,031 --> 00:46:22,671
Yeah, except I had
a baby when I was 20
760
00:46:22,669 --> 00:46:24,669
and I was living in London
and I had enough money
761
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:27,110
to get a nanny and I had a
boyfriend who was living with me
762
00:46:27,111 --> 00:46:29,231
and I wasn't in school.
763
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:33,830
And I was in a society that
doesn't look down on pregnancy
764
00:46:33,832 --> 00:46:35,752
as much as Ireland does.
765
00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:39,711
So I don't think you can compare
that to a 15-year-old girl
766
00:46:39,752 --> 00:46:42,752
who has no money
and no boyfriend and no support
767
00:46:42,753 --> 00:46:44,193
from anybody,
you know what I mean?
768
00:46:44,232 --> 00:46:47,792
- I think I was in very...
- nice circumstances
769
00:46:47,792 --> 00:46:50,152
compared to those girls.
770
00:46:59,434 --> 00:47:03,034
It seems years
Since you held the baby...
771
00:47:03,034 --> 00:47:04,754
When you put
your first album out,
772
00:47:04,794 --> 00:47:06,594
you don't really expect
anything to happen.
773
00:47:06,594 --> 00:47:09,194
You don't have any expectations
in you when you do that.
774
00:47:09,193 --> 00:47:13,153
You're not aware
of the whole world
775
00:47:13,155 --> 00:47:15,035
of goodies and baddies
776
00:47:15,034 --> 00:47:17,474
to be discovered.
777
00:47:17,515 --> 00:47:20,755
And I remember I was quite
taken aback by the whole thing,
778
00:47:20,795 --> 00:47:23,715
amused at the idea of me
sitting and doing press conferences
779
00:47:23,756 --> 00:47:24,836
and things like that
because it was just
780
00:47:24,835 --> 00:47:27,835
like completely ludicrous.
781
00:47:27,835 --> 00:47:29,835
You know, at the time
that I had my baby
782
00:47:29,876 --> 00:47:31,916
and put my album out I was 20,
783
00:47:31,915 --> 00:47:34,275
which was extremely young.
784
00:47:34,316 --> 00:47:37,756
And now I'm 23 which
is still extremely young
785
00:47:37,796 --> 00:47:42,356
and I'm still developing my
"personality", in inverted commas.
786
00:47:42,396 --> 00:47:45,396
And I'm still discovering
things about myself
787
00:47:45,397 --> 00:47:47,557
and about the world, you know?
788
00:47:47,557 --> 00:47:50,797
So naturally,
I'm not going to be the same
789
00:47:50,797 --> 00:47:52,277
as I was when I was 20.
790
00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:57,957
When the album "I Do Not
Want What I Haven't Got",
791
00:47:57,958 --> 00:48:02,438
was finished, we took it
into Nigel Grange in Ensign
792
00:48:02,478 --> 00:48:05,438
and he said, "This is like
reading somebody's diaries.
793
00:48:05,478 --> 00:48:07,438
I'm not putting it out."
794
00:48:07,439 --> 00:48:09,359
Sin�ad just said,
"Well, that's it,"
795
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,120
you know, end of story.
796
00:48:12,118 --> 00:48:13,798
Didn't compromise it in any way.
797
00:48:15,959 --> 00:48:18,839
Well, I am far more
proud of this album
798
00:48:18,839 --> 00:48:20,399
than I was of the last one.
799
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,520
I feel that it's much
more truly reflective
800
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,240
of me than the last one was.
801
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,600
And I've had much
more involvement in it
802
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,680
than I had in the last one.
803
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,360
The way she grew in confidence
804
00:48:31,361 --> 00:48:32,961
was something else.
805
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,240
She's a powerful, sexual being.
806
00:48:38,281 --> 00:48:43,121
I think she was enjoying
playing with the gender roles,
807
00:48:43,122 --> 00:48:45,042
the kind of toughness
of the leather jacket
808
00:48:45,081 --> 00:48:48,161
and the toughness of denim
or the Dr. Martin boots
809
00:48:48,162 --> 00:48:52,442
or whatever it was that she
was bringing at the time.
810
00:48:52,483 --> 00:48:54,963
There's always
still this beautiful woman,
811
00:48:54,963 --> 00:48:56,563
beautiful girl inside of that.
812
00:48:56,562 --> 00:48:59,642
So she was playing
with gender herself.
813
00:49:03,963 --> 00:49:09,163
She came to understand
the nature of what we were doing
814
00:49:09,164 --> 00:49:11,604
with pop videos and also,
obviously, at a certain point
815
00:49:11,604 --> 00:49:16,124
with a certain video, we came
to understand just how much
816
00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:19,925
the videos could change
the perception of the music
817
00:49:19,924 --> 00:49:21,284
and her as a musician.
818
00:49:36,406 --> 00:49:38,406
"The Nothing
Compares To You" video,
819
00:49:38,446 --> 00:49:42,006
she came back with all
the rushes on a VHS
820
00:49:42,045 --> 00:49:44,165
and we've stuck it into the
video machine, I was watching it.
821
00:49:44,166 --> 00:49:47,246
And that's when I thought,
"Wow, this is really,
822
00:49:47,246 --> 00:49:48,846
really special."
823
00:49:52,607 --> 00:49:56,167
The video was shot
both in studio and it was shot
824
00:49:56,168 --> 00:49:59,888
in the Parc Saint-Cloud,
which is this beautiful
825
00:49:59,888 --> 00:50:03,088
18th-century park
just outside of Paris.
826
00:50:09,007 --> 00:50:12,047
The extraordinary close-up
work that John did
827
00:50:12,048 --> 00:50:15,448
with the lighting camerawoman,
Dominique Le Rigoleur,
828
00:50:15,448 --> 00:50:19,288
who we chose particularly
because we wanted a female
829
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:23,850
to create a relationship
between Sin�ad and the camera.
830
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:32,490
In between takes,
831
00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:36,170
Sin�ad would click on some
really heavy duty dub reggae
832
00:50:36,211 --> 00:50:38,891
and light up a spliff, and
be bopping around the studio.
833
00:50:42,211 --> 00:50:44,891
We weren't in a kind of
particularly sombre mood.
834
00:50:46,851 --> 00:50:50,651
Looking into my monitor,
looking down that lens,
835
00:50:50,651 --> 00:50:54,531
I saw right there, this
connection coming down the camera...
836
00:50:55,732 --> 00:50:57,812
It was like, "Oh, okay,
837
00:50:57,812 --> 00:51:00,692
this is really something else.
838
00:51:00,692 --> 00:51:03,732
It's not my direction,
it's not the cinematography,
839
00:51:03,733 --> 00:51:05,293
it's entirely her."
840
00:51:08,492 --> 00:51:10,452
If you don't
841
00:51:10,493 --> 00:51:12,853
identify emotionally
with a song, you can't sing it.
842
00:51:33,575 --> 00:51:35,495
I didn't know I was
gonna cry singing it.
843
00:51:35,534 --> 00:51:37,134
I didn't cry in the studio,
844
00:51:37,175 --> 00:51:38,735
it was just because
of the big eye on me
845
00:51:38,775 --> 00:51:40,415
in the form of a camera.
846
00:51:45,135 --> 00:51:47,775
Every time I sing the song,
I think of my mother.
847
00:51:50,856 --> 00:51:53,056
I never stopped crying
for my mother for, Jesus,
848
00:51:53,056 --> 00:51:56,296
I couldn't face being
in Ireland for 13 years.
849
00:51:56,297 --> 00:51:59,657
I never even called home,
I just cut myself off entirely
850
00:51:59,657 --> 00:52:03,897
but it took me, I would say,
25 years to stop crying.
851
00:52:03,937 --> 00:52:07,217
So yeah, I was thinking of her
and I suppose my subconscious
852
00:52:07,218 --> 00:52:09,898
was thinking of that little
girl that sat in the garden.
853
00:52:15,057 --> 00:52:17,657
I think it's funny that
the world fell in love with me
854
00:52:17,658 --> 00:52:19,938
because of crying and a tear.
855
00:52:19,978 --> 00:52:21,618
I went and did a lot of crying
856
00:52:21,618 --> 00:52:22,818
and everybody was like,
"Oh, you crazy bitch,"
857
00:52:22,819 --> 00:52:24,859
but actually, hold on.
858
00:52:24,858 --> 00:52:26,818
You fell in love with
that tear, that was a mirror.
859
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:38,700
Sit yourself down, well done.
860
00:52:38,699 --> 00:52:41,179
- The hair is growing!
- Just a little bit.
861
00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:43,060
Just a little bit, a wee bit.
862
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:44,580
How are you then?
863
00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:46,260
I'm grand, I'm a bit tired,
but I'm fine.
864
00:52:46,261 --> 00:52:47,901
- A little bit tired, yeah.
- So we're told.
865
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:49,580
Good to see you. Will you
be number one on Monday?
866
00:52:49,621 --> 00:52:50,861
I don't know, you know.
867
00:52:53,301 --> 00:52:54,981
You're all very kind.
868
00:52:55,021 --> 00:52:56,061
I don't want to
count my chickens.
869
00:52:56,062 --> 00:52:58,302
You know what I mean?
870
00:52:58,301 --> 00:53:00,821
Half of me sorta says,
oh, well, you know,
871
00:53:00,861 --> 00:53:02,341
it doesn't really
make a difference,
872
00:53:02,342 --> 00:53:04,022
but then the other
half is sort of going,
873
00:53:04,022 --> 00:53:05,942
oh, please, God, please.-
874
00:53:05,942 --> 00:53:07,662
It would be nice, wouldn't it?
875
00:53:07,702 --> 00:53:09,102
We shouldn't even be
thinking about this.
876
00:53:09,143 --> 00:53:10,143
Shouldn't even be
thinking about it, okay.
877
00:53:10,142 --> 00:53:11,902
When will you know?
878
00:53:11,902 --> 00:53:13,982
Ten to three
on Sunday afternoon.
879
00:53:17,183 --> 00:53:19,463
But I've got to try
not to think about it.
880
00:53:19,504 --> 00:53:21,184
The song went number one,
881
00:53:21,223 --> 00:53:24,223
everywhere in the world
pretty much.
882
00:53:24,223 --> 00:53:26,223
Then everything
changed overnight.
883
00:53:26,264 --> 00:53:30,064
- And the winner is...
- Sin�ad O'Connor.
884
00:53:30,104 --> 00:53:32,264
- Sin�ad O'Connor.
- Sin�ad O'Connor.
885
00:53:35,585 --> 00:53:36,665
I don't really know what to say,
886
00:53:36,665 --> 00:53:37,945
except thank you very much.
887
00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:40,865
You know, peace.
888
00:53:44,944 --> 00:53:47,464
It's Sin�ad O'Connor.
889
00:53:49,186 --> 00:53:51,306
Sin�ad,
"Nothing Compares To You."
890
00:53:53,586 --> 00:53:55,826
The level of when
"Nothing Compares To You"
891
00:53:55,866 --> 00:53:57,586
became a hit was extraordinary.
892
00:53:57,626 --> 00:53:59,186
It really was off the scale.
893
00:54:00,427 --> 00:54:02,347
She was the biggest thing.
894
00:54:02,347 --> 00:54:03,787
I mean you think of artists
like Billie Eilish now
895
00:54:03,827 --> 00:54:06,067
or Amy Winehouse,
896
00:54:06,067 --> 00:54:08,587
you know that level of
intensity that's on you.
897
00:54:08,586 --> 00:54:13,106
And also if you're incredibly
iconic in your look
898
00:54:13,107 --> 00:54:15,107
and your style and your passion,
899
00:54:15,107 --> 00:54:16,867
then there's a lot
of focus on you.
900
00:54:21,748 --> 00:54:24,668
I didn't realize how huge
the single and the album were.
901
00:54:24,708 --> 00:54:26,308
I really didn't.
902
00:54:26,308 --> 00:54:27,748
And I looked in some
magazine the other day
903
00:54:27,788 --> 00:54:30,188
and it said that
the record had been
904
00:54:30,228 --> 00:54:33,468
something like the fourth
biggest record in America,
905
00:54:33,509 --> 00:54:34,989
I nearly dropped dead.
906
00:54:34,988 --> 00:54:36,788
I didn't have
the slightest idea.
907
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:39,029
The single
went to number one in America.
908
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:41,830
She was suddenly a major act.
909
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:50,950
Hello!
910
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:56,150
The tour got bigger and bigger
instead of theatres,
911
00:54:56,151 --> 00:54:59,751
we got into arenas and stadiums.
912
00:55:01,631 --> 00:55:04,671
It seems like years
Since you held the baby
913
00:55:04,671 --> 00:55:07,991
While I wrecked the bedroom
914
00:55:08,032 --> 00:55:12,152
You said it was
Dangerous after Sunday
915
00:55:12,152 --> 00:55:15,272
And I knew you loved me...
916
00:55:15,271 --> 00:55:17,551
She seemed
to take it all in her stride.
917
00:55:17,552 --> 00:55:19,952
There were some days
when she was sort of like,
918
00:55:19,953 --> 00:55:23,153
"Oh, this is a bit much," most of
the time she seemed to enjoy it.
919
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:24,753
There was obviously
a feeling of like,
920
00:55:24,753 --> 00:55:26,353
"Oh, well, this is
going to be great."
921
00:55:26,353 --> 00:55:27,953
It was going to be good anyway,
922
00:55:27,993 --> 00:55:29,513
but this is going
to be really good.
923
00:55:40,434 --> 00:55:45,314
I am stretched
On your grave
924
00:55:45,315 --> 00:55:50,595
And will lie there forever
925
00:55:50,595 --> 00:55:55,715
If your hands were in mine
926
00:55:55,715 --> 00:56:00,475
I'd be sure we'd not sever
927
00:56:03,396 --> 00:56:09,756
My apple tree
My brightness
928
00:56:09,757 --> 00:56:15,197
It's time we were together
929
00:56:18,637 --> 00:56:23,917
For I smell of the earth
930
00:56:23,917 --> 00:56:29,837
And am worn
By the weather...
931
00:56:29,838 --> 00:56:31,838
About halfway
through the tour,
932
00:56:31,879 --> 00:56:33,959
we did a place in New Jersey.
933
00:56:33,958 --> 00:56:36,038
It was an open air venue.
934
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:38,399
For some reason,
935
00:56:38,398 --> 00:56:39,958
they always played the National
Anthem before the main act.
936
00:56:39,998 --> 00:56:41,078
Sin�ad got to hear
about it, and said
937
00:56:41,078 --> 00:56:43,518
"There's no way.
938
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:45,839
I'm not going on stage if
you play the National Anthem."
939
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:49,039
So there was a bit of an
argument between management
940
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,240
and management of the venue,
941
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,119
but in the end, the
venue relented, they said,
942
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,440
- "Alright, alright.
- If you don't want it played,
943
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,880
we won't play it."
944
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,880
And I thought, "Oh, this is
going to be everywhere tomorrow."
945
00:56:58,881 --> 00:57:02,001
Going down to breakfast,
you hear the immortal words.
946
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,360
"Oh, God, have you
seen the papers?"
947
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,800
First, the explosion,
then the fallout.
948
00:57:09,801 --> 00:57:12,241
Hi, 95.5 PLJ, it's Fast Jimmy,
949
00:57:12,242 --> 00:57:15,242
and you will hear no Sin�ad
O'Connor on this radio station.
950
00:57:15,242 --> 00:57:17,282
Sin�ad O'Connor is being shaved
951
00:57:17,282 --> 00:57:19,802
from the airwaves because
of a recent refusal
952
00:57:19,802 --> 00:57:23,002
to perform in concert if the
National Anthem was played.
953
00:57:23,042 --> 00:57:25,082
With American soldiers
on foreign soil
954
00:57:25,081 --> 00:57:26,721
poised for conflict,
955
00:57:26,762 --> 00:57:29,082
patriotism is running
at fever pitch.
956
00:57:29,083 --> 00:57:31,283
We decided Monday morning,
that since we played
957
00:57:31,322 --> 00:57:33,082
the National Anthem
on our station
958
00:57:33,123 --> 00:57:35,363
to support the troops
over in the Middle East,
959
00:57:35,364 --> 00:57:36,964
that she probably
wouldn't welcome
960
00:57:36,963 --> 00:57:38,283
being played on
our station either.
961
00:57:38,323 --> 00:57:39,963
The wrong time, the wrong place
962
00:57:39,964 --> 00:57:41,884
and the wrong way
to throw a tantrum.
963
00:57:41,884 --> 00:57:43,004
Someone should just
have said to her,
964
00:57:43,044 --> 00:57:44,244
within her own management,
965
00:57:44,283 --> 00:57:46,403
"Sin�ad, shut up."
966
00:57:46,444 --> 00:57:48,404
You don't like America,
then get the hell out.
967
00:57:48,404 --> 00:57:50,724
My opinion is she
should go back to Ireland
968
00:57:50,724 --> 00:57:52,684
or wherever the
hell she is from.
969
00:57:52,685 --> 00:57:56,285
Don't tell my country, you
can't play the National Anthem.
970
00:57:56,285 --> 00:58:00,485
I didn't put the marine green on to
listen to some bald-headed Irish girl
971
00:58:00,485 --> 00:58:02,845
tell me I can't hear
my National Anthem.
972
00:58:02,886 --> 00:58:05,566
She wants the money,
the fame and the glorification.
973
00:58:05,566 --> 00:58:08,046
But she's going to have to
be sensitive to some issues.
974
00:58:08,085 --> 00:58:10,525
One extreme
patriot is Frank Sinatra,
975
00:58:10,565 --> 00:58:12,885
who said he would
like to kick her ass.
976
00:58:12,886 --> 00:58:15,326
"At his age, he couldn't
lift his leg high enough
977
00:58:15,367 --> 00:58:17,647
to kick her ass", says
Sin�ad's father, John O'Connor.
978
00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:22,846
As soon as someone highlighted
979
00:58:22,887 --> 00:58:24,567
that it had to be played,
she would say,
980
00:58:24,567 --> 00:58:26,207
- "- Well, you can't censor me.
- This is my show
981
00:58:26,248 --> 00:58:28,848
and why are you
telling me what to do?"
982
00:58:28,847 --> 00:58:31,367
America is the land of free
speech, and they're telling her
983
00:58:31,367 --> 00:58:34,487
she's not allowed
to have her free speech.
984
00:58:34,487 --> 00:58:39,287
- Issue number 3, the bald chick.
- What's with her head?
985
00:58:39,288 --> 00:58:42,208
- Let's start with the chick.
- What gives, Cue ball?
986
00:58:42,249 --> 00:58:45,409
I'm looking at you. I'm thinking
14 in the side pocket.
987
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:50,730
I can't believe you're talking
988
00:58:50,728 --> 00:58:52,768
about my hair with all
the bloody starvation
989
00:58:52,809 --> 00:58:55,009
and the suffering in
the world right now.
990
00:58:57,609 --> 00:59:01,849
- Come on, swing baby, you're platinum.
- Forget the head.
991
00:59:01,890 --> 00:59:05,050
Put a bag over it
and do your business.
992
00:59:05,051 --> 00:59:06,971
I think that,
certainly, the industry
993
00:59:06,970 --> 00:59:10,090
can be extremely patronizing
towards women.
994
00:59:10,131 --> 00:59:12,291
You're supposed to have
long hair wear push-up bras
995
00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:15,410
and lip gloss, you know,
and shut up and sing.
996
00:59:15,451 --> 00:59:18,011
Maybe if I was a man, there
wouldn't be such a fuss about it
997
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:19,730
you know what I mean?
998
00:59:19,771 --> 00:59:21,451
It's just not expected
of women, I don't know.
999
00:59:21,491 --> 00:59:25,171
But then nothing about me,
particularly, in people's minds,
1000
00:59:25,172 --> 00:59:28,412
conforms to what a woman
should conform to.
1001
00:59:28,413 --> 00:59:30,053
But I don't know if it's
so much a conscious problem
1002
00:59:30,092 --> 00:59:32,492
that they have
because I'm a woman.
1003
00:59:32,493 --> 00:59:37,093
I think it's because I'm not
a conformist on any level.
1004
00:59:37,092 --> 00:59:39,252
You know what I mean?
1005
00:59:39,253 --> 00:59:40,373
Tell me about this row
about the National Anthem,
1006
00:59:40,373 --> 00:59:42,493
were you right to get into that?
1007
00:59:42,533 --> 00:59:44,733
I don't think it was a situation
being wrong or right.
1008
00:59:44,733 --> 00:59:46,773
It was a situation of,
I acted at the time
1009
00:59:46,813 --> 00:59:50,613
in the way that I felt
would be most true to myself.
1010
00:59:50,654 --> 00:59:52,534
I didn't mean to offend anybody.
1011
00:59:52,534 --> 00:59:56,214
I did it because
I have a huge problem
1012
00:59:56,215 --> 00:59:57,695
with the censorship movement
1013
00:59:57,693 --> 00:59:58,933
that's happening
in America at the moment.
1014
00:59:58,934 --> 01:00:00,934
It has terrible implications.
1015
01:00:00,934 --> 01:00:02,814
The idea that artists, you know,
1016
01:00:02,815 --> 01:00:04,975
painters, photographers,
musicians, poets,
1017
01:00:05,015 --> 01:00:06,535
and people like that
1018
01:00:06,535 --> 01:00:08,215
are being told what
they may and may not say
1019
01:00:08,256 --> 01:00:09,936
and what they may
or may not write about.
1020
01:00:09,935 --> 01:00:11,895
- Where is that happening?
- -In America,
1021
01:00:11,896 --> 01:00:15,016
in particular among the
Black community it's happening.
1022
01:00:15,016 --> 01:00:16,936
So, I have two problems with it.
1023
01:00:16,936 --> 01:00:19,016
First of all, that I don't
think censorship should happen
1024
01:00:19,016 --> 01:00:20,696
at all to anybody.
1025
01:00:20,695 --> 01:00:21,895
But secondly, I think
that a lot of the time
1026
01:00:21,896 --> 01:00:23,096
there's a lot of White artists
1027
01:00:23,136 --> 01:00:24,936
who are very offensive as well,
1028
01:00:24,937 --> 01:00:26,337
and they don't get censored.
1029
01:00:26,376 --> 01:00:28,456
So it leaves me
thinking that it's
1030
01:00:28,457 --> 01:00:31,217
a slightly racist
problem as well.
1031
01:00:31,257 --> 01:00:33,217
So, you know,
if it happened now,
1032
01:00:33,257 --> 01:00:35,657
I might've reacted
in a different way,
1033
01:00:35,658 --> 01:00:37,938
I didn't realize that people
would take such offence to it.
1034
01:00:37,937 --> 01:00:40,697
- Because I didn't mean offence.
- You know what I mean?
1035
01:00:40,697 --> 01:00:42,057
The problem is that
a lot of people would say,
1036
01:00:42,098 --> 01:00:44,098
well, you didn't
not take the money.
1037
01:00:44,097 --> 01:00:45,537
You know, if they
asked me for the money,
1038
01:00:45,538 --> 01:00:47,058
I would gladly
have given it to them.
1039
01:00:47,058 --> 01:00:48,378
- You would, you would.
- All the money?
1040
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:50,658
- Absolutely.
- All the money, Sin�ad?
1041
01:00:50,658 --> 01:00:53,298
Can't go through life
giving back the money.
1042
01:00:53,339 --> 01:00:54,899
I don't perform or make
records or do anything
1043
01:00:54,939 --> 01:00:56,339
in order to make money.
1044
01:00:56,379 --> 01:00:57,579
It's not the thing that I hold
1045
01:00:57,579 --> 01:00:59,659
most important in my life.
1046
01:00:59,659 --> 01:01:01,779
Well, I heard that she
doesn't like Ireland
1047
01:01:01,780 --> 01:01:04,580
and she doesn't like the USA.
1048
01:01:04,579 --> 01:01:07,179
So they're going to be
handing out American flags.
1049
01:01:07,219 --> 01:01:10,259
So we're going to wave it at her
and see what she does.
1050
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:12,940
Controversy surrounds
her wherever she is.
1051
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:14,060
Why do you think that is?
1052
01:01:14,060 --> 01:01:15,900
Just because of who she is.
1053
01:01:15,901 --> 01:01:18,421
- I don't think she gets a fair...
- because of the way she looks,
1054
01:01:18,421 --> 01:01:19,901
I don't think people
treat her fairly.
1055
01:01:22,102 --> 01:01:23,862
It's a very patriotic country.
1056
01:01:23,901 --> 01:01:25,901
And a lot of people
have been told
1057
01:01:25,901 --> 01:01:29,221
that I have some sort of
anti-American feeling,
1058
01:01:29,261 --> 01:01:31,621
which is very irresponsible
on behalf of the media,
1059
01:01:31,662 --> 01:01:35,462
because that does
put a person in a situation
1060
01:01:35,502 --> 01:01:37,182
where literally
their life could be at risk.
1061
01:01:37,182 --> 01:01:38,702
You know what I mean?
1062
01:01:41,342 --> 01:01:42,982
When the press
started to attack her
1063
01:01:42,983 --> 01:01:45,463
that was really difficult.
1064
01:01:45,463 --> 01:01:49,503
They arrived at the door
in London and Jake was with me
1065
01:01:49,503 --> 01:01:51,703
and he was only very young
1066
01:01:51,703 --> 01:01:53,903
and they started
to fire questions,
1067
01:01:53,903 --> 01:01:56,103
you know, while
Jake was next to me.
1068
01:01:56,104 --> 01:01:58,944
- And I just, I just was...
- I was absolutely furious.
1069
01:02:04,104 --> 01:02:09,504
Margaret Thatcher on TV
1070
01:02:09,504 --> 01:02:14,664
Shocked by the deaths
That took place in Beijing...
1071
01:02:14,705 --> 01:02:17,265
She's always championed justice.
1072
01:02:17,265 --> 01:02:19,265
You know,
if something wasn't right,
1073
01:02:19,265 --> 01:02:21,945
she would step in and try
and do something about it.
1074
01:02:24,826 --> 01:02:26,826
Listen, this song that I heard,
1075
01:02:26,826 --> 01:02:28,506
"Black Boys on Mopeds"
1076
01:02:28,507 --> 01:02:30,707
about the treatment
of Black people in England.
1077
01:02:30,705 --> 01:02:33,745
Very political, Sin�ad.
1078
01:02:33,746 --> 01:02:35,466
Well you can't really
talk about racism
1079
01:02:35,467 --> 01:02:36,987
without being political.
1080
01:02:36,986 --> 01:02:40,106
Yes. True, true.
1081
01:02:40,107 --> 01:02:41,747
England's not
The mythical land
1082
01:02:41,747 --> 01:02:45,027
Of Madame George and roses
1083
01:02:45,028 --> 01:02:48,268
It's the home of police
1084
01:02:48,268 --> 01:02:52,068
Who kill Black boys
On mopeds
1085
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:55,109
And I love my boy
1086
01:02:55,148 --> 01:02:59,068
And that's why I'm leaving
1087
01:02:59,068 --> 01:03:02,708
I don't want him
To be aware that there's
1088
01:03:02,709 --> 01:03:06,709
Any such thing as grieving
1089
01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:14,470
Young mother
Down at Smithfield
1090
01:03:14,509 --> 01:03:18,869
5:00 a.m., looking for food
For her kids...
1091
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:20,870
We were
living in Stoke Newington
1092
01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:23,710
when she wrote that song,
you know, it was around us,
1093
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:27,470
you know, that kind of police
versus the Black community.
1094
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:29,110
It was ugly at that point,
1095
01:03:29,111 --> 01:03:31,111
particularly in
that part of London.
1096
01:03:31,111 --> 01:03:33,071
The police
are picking on children!
1097
01:03:33,111 --> 01:03:34,511
I write songs about things
1098
01:03:34,551 --> 01:03:36,471
that I feel strongly about.
1099
01:03:36,511 --> 01:03:38,351
It's not consciously
to write a political song
1100
01:03:38,351 --> 01:03:39,871
or consciously to make
a statement about anything.
1101
01:03:39,911 --> 01:03:42,351
And I think that that's
what every person's duty
1102
01:03:42,352 --> 01:03:45,912
to themselves is, is to act
on their feelings and to say,
1103
01:03:45,952 --> 01:03:48,392
when they think
something's wrong.
1104
01:03:48,393 --> 01:03:50,233
It doesn't matter whether they're, you
know, a singer, or whatever they are.
1105
01:03:50,232 --> 01:03:52,272
Yes, and take the consequences.
1106
01:03:52,313 --> 01:03:53,553
I imagine so.
1107
01:03:58,713 --> 01:04:00,513
I'm an Irish artist,
1108
01:04:00,553 --> 01:04:02,073
and there's a tradition
among Irish artists
1109
01:04:02,073 --> 01:04:04,033
of being agitators
and activists.
1110
01:04:04,073 --> 01:04:06,073
You know, whether
they're playwrights or poets.
1111
01:04:08,274 --> 01:04:11,074
An artists job
is sometimes to create
1112
01:04:11,114 --> 01:04:13,914
the difficult conversations
that need to be had.
1113
01:04:13,914 --> 01:04:15,634
And it's none of my business,
1114
01:04:15,675 --> 01:04:17,755
what anyone thinks of me
when I do that.
1115
01:04:22,515 --> 01:04:24,635
The right to choose an abortion,
1116
01:04:24,635 --> 01:04:27,555
the right to information
on where to obtain one.
1117
01:04:27,555 --> 01:04:30,315
In Dublin's O'Connell street,
singer Sin�ad O'Connor
1118
01:04:30,315 --> 01:04:34,235
speaks out against her
country's stringent abortion laws.
1119
01:04:34,276 --> 01:04:37,476
Abortion will be legalized
in this country very soon.
1120
01:04:37,516 --> 01:04:39,276
Let's have another referendum
1121
01:04:39,317 --> 01:04:42,317
when only women
of childbearing age vote
1122
01:04:42,317 --> 01:04:45,077
for the right to choose
their own destiny.
1123
01:04:45,077 --> 01:04:47,517
What I believe is that
you cannot take away
1124
01:04:47,516 --> 01:04:49,276
a person's right to choose.
1125
01:04:49,277 --> 01:04:51,957
It is not a pro-abortion
or an anti-abortion issue.
1126
01:04:51,957 --> 01:04:54,157
The issue is
the right to choose.
1127
01:04:54,197 --> 01:04:56,797
The church deliberately
distract us from that,
1128
01:04:56,838 --> 01:04:59,998
by making it into
an either anti or for,
1129
01:04:59,998 --> 01:05:01,838
- you know what I mean?
- But it's not that.
1130
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:03,799
It's the right to choose
your own destiny.
1131
01:05:03,798 --> 01:05:05,478
And it's none of
anybody else's business,
1132
01:05:05,478 --> 01:05:08,518
not your mother or your father
or anybody else.
1133
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:09,639
Or your priest.
1134
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:14,759
I never felt
that Sin�ad would cave
1135
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:18,199
to any pressure. Ever.
1136
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:23,640
Then she just seemed to become
really controversial about everything.
1137
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,520
Two weeks before the Grammys,
1138
01:05:25,521 --> 01:05:27,881
O'Connor threw down
the gauntlet to her peers
1139
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,240
announcing she would not
attend the ceremonies
1140
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,680
because the music industry
was driven by greed
1141
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,440
and artists
were not speaking out
1142
01:05:34,441 --> 01:05:36,521
against the war in the Gulf.
1143
01:05:36,561 --> 01:05:39,081
It is the creative community
that are driven by greed.
1144
01:05:39,121 --> 01:05:40,881
That's why none of them
are saying anything
1145
01:05:40,881 --> 01:05:42,241
because
they're afraid their careers
1146
01:05:42,242 --> 01:05:43,842
are going to be in jeopardy.
1147
01:05:43,881 --> 01:05:46,601
It's why nobody has said
anything about the war.
1148
01:05:46,642 --> 01:05:48,922
When Sin�ad refused
to perform at the Grammys,
1149
01:05:48,921 --> 01:05:51,201
I was under a lot of pressure
to change her mind.
1150
01:05:51,242 --> 01:05:53,962
As if that were even possible.
1151
01:05:53,961 --> 01:05:56,601
It wasn't like
threatening-threatening,
1152
01:05:56,642 --> 01:06:00,922
but I felt that my career
could certainly be in jeopardy,
1153
01:06:00,962 --> 01:06:02,522
and Sin�ad's as well.
1154
01:06:02,563 --> 01:06:04,403
These were powerful people
in the industry.
1155
01:06:07,724 --> 01:06:10,644
I didn't think that the
powers that be were ready for her.
1156
01:06:12,203 --> 01:06:14,283
Where she's from,
1157
01:06:14,283 --> 01:06:18,803
artists had always
stepped forward and said things,
1158
01:06:18,844 --> 01:06:21,564
but maybe in different genres,
1159
01:06:21,605 --> 01:06:25,045
and not so much
as a pop superstar.
1160
01:06:25,045 --> 01:06:28,165
And Sin�ad O'Connor, well,
she was becoming a pop superstar.
1161
01:06:34,244 --> 01:06:37,124
Okay, so this is my favourite
place in the universe,
1162
01:06:37,125 --> 01:06:39,045
which is St. Mark's place.
1163
01:06:39,086 --> 01:06:41,166
All the Rastas live there,
1164
01:06:41,166 --> 01:06:42,846
and all the Irish people
live here, which is why I like it,
1165
01:06:42,846 --> 01:06:44,126
because Rastas and Irish
people should live together,
1166
01:06:44,126 --> 01:06:46,126
since they're both the same.
1167
01:06:46,126 --> 01:06:47,686
And this is Sin�.
1168
01:06:50,926 --> 01:06:53,486
The object of my game coming
into the music business was
1169
01:06:53,487 --> 01:06:57,087
I really saw it as something
like a bit of a chess game.
1170
01:06:57,086 --> 01:06:59,166
Could I get from one side
of the board to the other
1171
01:06:59,167 --> 01:07:01,527
and still be myself
and still be true to my reasons
1172
01:07:01,528 --> 01:07:03,448
for being in the music business?
1173
01:07:03,487 --> 01:07:05,567
And also, I suppose,
spiritually true to myself,
1174
01:07:05,608 --> 01:07:07,568
do you know what I mean?
1175
01:07:07,607 --> 01:07:09,007
The music business can be
a bit of a vampiric arena.
1176
01:07:09,008 --> 01:07:10,528
That's Charlie.
1177
01:07:10,528 --> 01:07:12,328
The first one's Charlie,
and that's Charlton.
1178
01:07:12,329 --> 01:07:14,449
- Say hello to Jake.
- Hi, Jake.
1179
01:07:14,489 --> 01:07:15,969
Gary.
1180
01:07:16,009 --> 01:07:17,249
- Yes?
- Say hello to Jake.
1181
01:07:17,288 --> 01:07:18,568
- Him Jake.
- That's Gary.
1182
01:07:18,609 --> 01:07:19,609
Maybe we'll get
to see you, Jake.
1183
01:07:19,648 --> 01:07:20,808
He's really mad.
1184
01:07:20,808 --> 01:07:23,408
Hi, Jake, how're you doing?
1185
01:07:23,409 --> 01:07:27,129
- Say hello to Jake.
- Jake. How are you?
1186
01:07:27,129 --> 01:07:28,889
You can go around
trying to please everyone
1187
01:07:28,930 --> 01:07:31,210
as if you're in
a popularity contest,
1188
01:07:31,210 --> 01:07:33,490
and yeah, that might get
you lots and lots of money,
1189
01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:35,810
but that's not necessarily
going to be keeping the contract
1190
01:07:35,810 --> 01:07:37,010
that you made with yourself.
1191
01:07:44,251 --> 01:07:45,691
That was the last one,
wasn't it?
1192
01:07:45,691 --> 01:07:47,251
That was the very last one.
1193
01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:49,490
Okay, can we go on
from a bit before?
1194
01:07:49,531 --> 01:07:52,251
- Yes.
- - I didn't want to fall into that trap then
1195
01:07:52,292 --> 01:07:54,652
of you know, the follow up
album to the number one, single.
1196
01:07:54,652 --> 01:07:56,692
And so I was kind of buying
myself some time really,
1197
01:07:56,692 --> 01:07:58,492
creatively speaking.
1198
01:07:58,492 --> 01:08:00,132
Because you've had
that hit record,
1199
01:08:00,172 --> 01:08:01,972
all of a sudden
you could go in there
1200
01:08:01,972 --> 01:08:03,492
and tell them you want
to make a record of farts,
1201
01:08:03,492 --> 01:08:04,492
and they'll say,
"Yeah, sure. Okay."
1202
01:08:09,732 --> 01:08:12,412
Let's listen back and make
sure we love this arrangement.
1203
01:08:12,413 --> 01:08:15,733
- Okay?
- - I think there's a huge pressure from labels
1204
01:08:15,733 --> 01:08:18,493
when an artist has
a worldwide number one.
1205
01:08:18,494 --> 01:08:21,494
And I think with the,
"Am I Not Your Girl" album,
1206
01:08:21,534 --> 01:08:25,054
this was a great antidote,
really to what happened.
1207
01:08:25,094 --> 01:08:29,934
And it had the most amazing
team of arrangers, musicians,
1208
01:08:29,934 --> 01:08:33,134
and of course, legendary
Phil Ramone producing.
1209
01:08:33,134 --> 01:08:36,134
It was just such
a joy that record.
1210
01:08:51,056 --> 01:08:54,536
We used to go out walking
1211
01:08:54,537 --> 01:08:57,977
Hand in hand
1212
01:08:57,977 --> 01:09:01,657
You told me all
The big things
1213
01:09:01,697 --> 01:09:04,737
You had planned...
1214
01:09:04,738 --> 01:09:06,338
I did love the record,
and I loved making it.
1215
01:09:06,377 --> 01:09:08,497
It was just astonishing
being in a room
1216
01:09:08,497 --> 01:09:10,217
with that band every day.
It was just like, "Oh, my God."
1217
01:09:10,217 --> 01:09:11,777
I was quite
intimidated actually.
1218
01:09:11,778 --> 01:09:13,698
I was quite scared
to open my mouth
1219
01:09:13,697 --> 01:09:15,537
because the band were just
so ridiculously brilliant
1220
01:09:15,578 --> 01:09:18,898
and I couldn't see myself
as being anyway good.
1221
01:09:18,898 --> 01:09:22,378
Am I not your girl?
1222
01:09:22,419 --> 01:09:25,899
Am I not your girl?
1223
01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:28,739
Am I not your girl?
1224
01:09:28,739 --> 01:09:31,059
Am I not.
1225
01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:39,339
There were things
going on in my own life.
1226
01:09:39,340 --> 01:09:41,140
Things I was discovering
that my mother had done
1227
01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:43,260
that I didn't know about.
1228
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:47,220
And then I had come across
an article about families
1229
01:09:47,220 --> 01:09:49,540
who had been trying
to lodge complaints
1230
01:09:49,541 --> 01:09:51,941
against the church
for sexual abuse
1231
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:54,180
and were being silenced.
1232
01:09:56,741 --> 01:10:00,861
Basically fucking everything I
had been raised to believe was a lie.
1233
01:10:00,862 --> 01:10:03,702
You know, that everything about
the Catholic church was a lie.
1234
01:10:05,542 --> 01:10:10,902
Ave, ave, ave Maria
1235
01:10:10,943 --> 01:10:13,583
At the end of the line
of bishops, walked the Pope.
1236
01:10:13,582 --> 01:10:16,622
And as the crowd noticed him,
they broke into cheering and clapping.
1237
01:10:19,942 --> 01:10:22,782
I took two things
out of my mother's house.
1238
01:10:22,783 --> 01:10:24,303
One was her cookery book,
1239
01:10:24,344 --> 01:10:26,384
and the next was
a picture of the Pope,
1240
01:10:26,423 --> 01:10:29,023
which had been
on her bedroom wall.
1241
01:10:29,064 --> 01:10:31,344
Young people of Ireland,
1242
01:10:32,624 --> 01:10:33,944
I love you.
1243
01:10:38,224 --> 01:10:40,584
He didn't fucking love me.
1244
01:10:40,584 --> 01:10:42,904
And I could fuckin' cry
right now saying it.
1245
01:10:44,185 --> 01:10:46,025
You know, it was such a lie.
1246
01:10:46,025 --> 01:10:48,105
Now we know what a lie that was.
1247
01:10:48,106 --> 01:10:50,186
He was so involved
in covering up
1248
01:10:50,185 --> 01:10:52,985
what happened to everybody.
1249
01:10:53,026 --> 01:10:55,066
And I had a right
to fight that evil
1250
01:10:55,106 --> 01:10:57,226
because I loved the church.
1251
01:10:57,225 --> 01:10:58,945
I'm going to go on
Saturday Night Live
1252
01:10:58,986 --> 01:11:00,586
and I've got fuck all to lose
1253
01:11:00,585 --> 01:11:02,065
because no one could
do jack shit to me
1254
01:11:02,106 --> 01:11:03,666
that hasn't been done already.
1255
01:11:16,547 --> 01:11:18,387
I had booked her
on Saturday Night Live.
1256
01:11:18,388 --> 01:11:20,348
Now this was for
her third record,
1257
01:11:20,387 --> 01:11:24,187
which was,
"Am I Not Your Girl."
1258
01:11:24,188 --> 01:11:27,148
It's a great booking,
the record was just coming out,
1259
01:11:27,188 --> 01:11:30,028
and this would really help it.
1260
01:11:30,028 --> 01:11:32,148
Ladies and gentlemen,
Sin�ad O'Connor.
1261
01:11:41,629 --> 01:11:45,389
Until the philosophy
1262
01:11:45,389 --> 01:11:48,749
Which holds one
Race superior
1263
01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:52,510
And another
1264
01:11:52,510 --> 01:11:55,390
Inferior
1265
01:11:55,391 --> 01:11:58,151
Is finally
1266
01:11:58,151 --> 01:12:01,151
And permanently
1267
01:12:01,152 --> 01:12:03,192
Discredited...
1268
01:12:03,190 --> 01:12:05,230
The song is also very important.
1269
01:12:05,231 --> 01:12:07,271
You know, it's a Rastafari song.
1270
01:12:10,271 --> 01:12:12,231
It's a speech that
the Emperor Haile Selassie
1271
01:12:12,272 --> 01:12:14,952
had made at the United Nations,
and then Bob Marley
1272
01:12:14,992 --> 01:12:17,192
turned it into a song.
1273
01:12:17,193 --> 01:12:21,113
First class and second class
Citizens of any nation
1274
01:12:21,113 --> 01:12:24,153
Until the colour Of a man's skin
1275
01:12:24,154 --> 01:12:27,074
Is of no more significance
1276
01:12:27,112 --> 01:12:29,032
Than the colour of his eyes
1277
01:12:29,073 --> 01:12:30,993
I've got to say war...
1278
01:12:30,993 --> 01:12:32,513
...war
1279
01:12:32,513 --> 01:12:35,953
War in the east
1280
01:12:35,953 --> 01:12:39,193
War in the west
1281
01:12:39,194 --> 01:12:42,314
War up north
1282
01:12:42,314 --> 01:12:45,474
War down south
1283
01:12:45,475 --> 01:12:48,355
There's war
1284
01:12:48,394 --> 01:12:51,914
And rumours of war
1285
01:12:51,915 --> 01:12:54,395
Until that day
1286
01:12:54,395 --> 01:13:00,195
There is no continent
Which will know peace
1287
01:13:00,235 --> 01:13:05,715
Children, children
1288
01:13:05,716 --> 01:13:07,716
Fight
1289
01:13:07,757 --> 01:13:11,117
We find it necessary
1290
01:13:11,116 --> 01:13:14,396
We know we will win
1291
01:13:14,437 --> 01:13:17,317
We have confidence
1292
01:13:17,317 --> 01:13:19,997
In the victory
1293
01:13:19,997 --> 01:13:22,917
Of good
1294
01:13:22,917 --> 01:13:28,077
Over evil
1295
01:13:31,358 --> 01:13:32,958
Fight the real enemy.
1296
01:13:39,958 --> 01:13:42,998
Nobody knows what to do.
1297
01:13:42,999 --> 01:13:46,199
My blood has run cold.
1298
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:48,759
She blows a candle out,
she goes off stage,
1299
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,360
she goes into her dressing room
and she's so happy.
1300
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,480
You know,
she had pulled this off.
1301
01:13:53,519 --> 01:13:56,559
And I had gone into
the dressing room after her,
1302
01:13:56,599 --> 01:13:59,559
and I said, "You know,
I can't get you out of this."
1303
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,000
- And she said, "You know what?
- I don't want you to."
1304
01:14:04,801 --> 01:14:06,641
What effect do you think
1305
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:07,960
this is gonna have on
your career, Sin�ad?
1306
01:14:09,161 --> 01:14:11,321
I don't know.
1307
01:14:11,322 --> 01:14:13,282
Do you care?
1308
01:14:13,281 --> 01:14:16,921
Um, well, it depends on
what you mean by...
1309
01:14:16,921 --> 01:14:19,481
- I don't know.
- You'd have to say what you meant.
1310
01:14:19,521 --> 01:14:22,321
Do you think what you have done
1311
01:14:22,322 --> 01:14:24,722
will make you more popular
with your fans?
1312
01:14:24,722 --> 01:14:26,482
Less popular with your fans?
1313
01:14:26,482 --> 01:14:30,722
Or will it just be something
that Sin�ad O'Connor did
1314
01:14:30,723 --> 01:14:31,963
in a rash moment?
1315
01:14:33,403 --> 01:14:35,723
- Well, I can't really say.
- I don't know.
1316
01:14:35,723 --> 01:14:39,163
Are you prepared
to accept the consequences,
1317
01:14:39,203 --> 01:14:42,283
which you said don't seem
to be negative, right?
1318
01:14:42,283 --> 01:14:43,763
Of what you're doing?
1319
01:14:43,764 --> 01:14:45,204
What consequences?
1320
01:14:45,204 --> 01:14:47,964
Well, look at the alternative.
1321
01:14:48,004 --> 01:14:50,804
Sin�ad O'Connor
is no stranger to controversy.
1322
01:14:50,805 --> 01:14:53,205
A master of the shock tactics.
1323
01:14:53,204 --> 01:14:55,484
But this time some are
questioning whether she went too far.
1324
01:14:55,485 --> 01:14:57,005
No response yet from the Pope,
1325
01:14:57,006 --> 01:14:59,006
but church spokesmen say
that he will no doubt
1326
01:14:59,004 --> 01:15:01,484
forgive Sin�ad O'Connor
for her bout of Vatican bashing
1327
01:15:01,485 --> 01:15:03,525
on NBC's Saturday Night Live.
1328
01:15:03,524 --> 01:15:05,244
The controversy for singer
Sin�ad O'Connor
1329
01:15:05,245 --> 01:15:07,325
as she strikes a sour
note with Catholics.
1330
01:15:07,326 --> 01:15:09,326
NBC has been at pains to stress
1331
01:15:09,325 --> 01:15:11,725
it doesn't condone what she did.
1332
01:15:11,766 --> 01:15:13,726
The network says O'Connor's
tirade caught them off guard.
1333
01:15:13,767 --> 01:15:15,967
NBC logged a thousand
complaint calls...
1334
01:15:15,966 --> 01:15:18,886
Her actions Saturday
night were spontaneous,
1335
01:15:18,927 --> 01:15:21,247
certainly unauthorized by NBC,
1336
01:15:21,286 --> 01:15:24,166
and NBC was offended
by what she did.
1337
01:15:24,207 --> 01:15:26,927
The Catholic league
for religious and civil rights
1338
01:15:26,927 --> 01:15:30,207
is pressuring record stores
to stop selling recordings
1339
01:15:30,207 --> 01:15:32,487
by O'Connor
and her record company.
1340
01:15:32,527 --> 01:15:35,407
During the lunch hour,
they passed out leaflets,
1341
01:15:35,408 --> 01:15:37,888
urging customers
to join their boycott.
1342
01:15:37,888 --> 01:15:40,208
Some didn't need
any encouragement.
1343
01:15:40,208 --> 01:15:42,208
I thought it was repulsive.
1344
01:15:42,209 --> 01:15:45,329
Anyone that sends
us in their tapes,
1345
01:15:45,328 --> 01:15:47,088
we're going to chop
up these tapes.
1346
01:15:47,129 --> 01:15:49,169
Actually, we were just
going to send them to her.
1347
01:15:49,208 --> 01:15:51,488
Someone said,
don't send the tapes new.
1348
01:15:51,529 --> 01:15:54,289
Break them up,
'cause she'll sell them again.
1349
01:15:54,289 --> 01:15:55,769
So we're going to break them up
1350
01:15:55,769 --> 01:15:57,369
and put them in a trunk,
1351
01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:59,010
and have someone
deliver them to her
1352
01:15:59,010 --> 01:16:00,450
in Ireland
or wherever she may be.
1353
01:16:03,891 --> 01:16:06,291
I would've grabbed her
by her eyebrows.
1354
01:16:08,050 --> 01:16:10,530
Sin�ad O'Connor...,
you know and so on.
1355
01:16:10,571 --> 01:16:12,371
Or you just don't like that she
tore up a picture of the Pope.
1356
01:16:12,370 --> 01:16:14,570
Oh, no, Sin�ad O'Connor
is completely a robot brain.
1357
01:16:14,571 --> 01:16:16,651
- She has messages...
- She's like Victorian,
1358
01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:19,650
she has messages where she
slaps onto art like labels.
1359
01:16:19,691 --> 01:16:21,251
But I'll tell you one thing,
she was very lucky
1360
01:16:21,292 --> 01:16:23,452
it wasn't my show.
1361
01:16:23,451 --> 01:16:26,691
'Cause if it was my show,
I would've gave her such a smack.
1362
01:16:30,972 --> 01:16:32,732
Sin�ad O'Conner, who's
big theme is child abuse...
1363
01:16:32,772 --> 01:16:34,572
- All right?
- It all comes from child abuse.
1364
01:16:34,572 --> 01:16:36,572
In the case of Sin�ad O'Conner,
child abuse was justified.
1365
01:16:41,293 --> 01:16:43,893
I got a little bit worried,
1366
01:16:43,894 --> 01:16:46,894
you know when things were
going really badly in the press for her.
1367
01:16:46,934 --> 01:16:50,214
It was a terrible time for us.
1368
01:16:50,214 --> 01:16:52,014
And just created this hatred.
1369
01:16:52,013 --> 01:16:54,333
It was unbelievable.
1370
01:16:54,374 --> 01:16:57,694
I had fan letters
with death threats to myself,
1371
01:16:57,734 --> 01:16:59,414
death threats to Sin�ad,
1372
01:16:59,414 --> 01:17:01,974
and one day I took in
a sack load of letters
1373
01:17:01,974 --> 01:17:04,054
that were directly
threatening either to her
1374
01:17:04,095 --> 01:17:07,055
or to me, or any of our team.
1375
01:17:07,056 --> 01:17:10,256
I was watching it with
some friends as it happened.
1376
01:17:10,296 --> 01:17:13,776
And we were all applauding
and cheering and were like,
1377
01:17:13,775 --> 01:17:15,855
"Feminist performance art,
on TV.
1378
01:17:15,855 --> 01:17:18,895
When does that ever happen?"
1379
01:17:18,895 --> 01:17:22,095
I can't sit here and tell
you that I was all like,
1380
01:17:22,136 --> 01:17:23,856
- "- Oh, no, Sin�ad O'Connor is an icon.
- She's ahead of her time."
1381
01:17:23,857 --> 01:17:26,337
I don't think I was
saying that then.
1382
01:17:26,376 --> 01:17:29,256
I think I probably was joining in,
"Oh, God, what's she doing now?"
1383
01:17:29,257 --> 01:17:31,337
There was this idea that
she was a bit of a joke.
1384
01:17:32,657 --> 01:17:34,697
Fight the real enemy.
1385
01:17:34,697 --> 01:17:37,257
When she does
a concert in New York city,
1386
01:17:37,257 --> 01:17:39,457
if she has the guts
to ever do a concert
1387
01:17:39,457 --> 01:17:41,137
in New York City again,
1388
01:17:41,138 --> 01:17:42,658
after one of her songs,
1389
01:17:42,657 --> 01:17:44,777
I'm going to jump up on stage
1390
01:17:44,818 --> 01:17:47,098
and tear up a photo
of Uncle Fester.
1391
01:17:56,498 --> 01:17:58,818
Do you enjoy shocking people?
1392
01:17:58,818 --> 01:18:00,978
No, but I enjoy a good debate.
1393
01:18:00,979 --> 01:18:03,179
Did you realize
the consequences at the time?
1394
01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:08,539
I don't think it's a good idea
to talk about it here, tonight.
1395
01:18:08,540 --> 01:18:10,940
So you don't want
to talk about it at all.
1396
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:12,620
Some other time,
I'll talk to you about it.
1397
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:14,260
But obviously
you don't have any regrets.
1398
01:18:14,261 --> 01:18:15,581
No, absolutely not.
1399
01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:20,660
I'm real proud...
1400
01:18:20,661 --> 01:18:23,181
to introduce this next artist
1401
01:18:23,180 --> 01:18:27,340
whose name's become
synonymous with courage,
1402
01:18:27,381 --> 01:18:29,741
and integrity.
1403
01:18:29,741 --> 01:18:32,341
Ladies and gentleman,
Sin�ad O'Connor.
1404
01:18:53,384 --> 01:18:54,464
Thank you.
1405
01:18:58,824 --> 01:19:01,384
I'm on stage and the
audience start making this
1406
01:19:01,383 --> 01:19:02,943
mad noise where half
of them are booing
1407
01:19:02,983 --> 01:19:04,503
and half of them are cheering.
1408
01:19:04,544 --> 01:19:06,584
And it's the fucking
weirdest noise
1409
01:19:06,624 --> 01:19:08,264
- I've ever heard in my life.
- And it makes me want to puke.
1410
01:19:24,345 --> 01:19:26,745
My song that I was
supposed to sing
1411
01:19:26,746 --> 01:19:29,546
at Madison Square Garden
was "I Believe in You."
1412
01:19:29,545 --> 01:19:32,505
This song was to be
sung in a whisper,
1413
01:19:32,506 --> 01:19:33,946
and I knew that I couldn't
1414
01:19:33,947 --> 01:19:35,947
because I wouldn't be heard,
1415
01:19:35,946 --> 01:19:37,626
I would have been drowned out
and I couldn't have that.
1416
01:19:40,067 --> 01:19:42,907
"Are you going to stand by me"
1417
01:19:42,907 --> 01:19:45,067
was almost what I felt
God was saying to me.
1418
01:19:45,068 --> 01:19:47,068
"Are you going to
fucking stand by me,
1419
01:19:47,067 --> 01:19:48,547
or are you going
to pussy out here
1420
01:19:48,547 --> 01:19:49,707
and walk off stage."
1421
01:19:55,268 --> 01:19:57,868
Okay, turn this up.
1422
01:19:57,908 --> 01:20:00,988
Until the philosophy
1423
01:20:00,989 --> 01:20:03,669
Which holds one
Race superior
1424
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:07,909
And another inferior
1425
01:20:07,949 --> 01:20:09,949
Is finally
1426
01:20:09,949 --> 01:20:14,429
And permanently discredited
1427
01:20:14,429 --> 01:20:16,469
And abandoned
1428
01:20:16,509 --> 01:20:20,349
Everywhere is war
1429
01:20:20,350 --> 01:20:23,510
Until there's no longer
1430
01:20:23,511 --> 01:20:27,231
First class or
Second class citizens
1431
01:20:27,231 --> 01:20:29,431
Of any nation
1432
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:32,550
Until the colour
Of a man's skin
1433
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:35,990
Is of no more significance
1434
01:20:36,031 --> 01:20:37,991
Than the colour of his eyes
1435
01:20:37,991 --> 01:20:40,511
I've got to say war
1436
01:20:40,552 --> 01:20:44,312
Until, the basic Human rights
1437
01:20:44,352 --> 01:20:47,152
Are equally
Guaranteed to all
1438
01:20:47,193 --> 01:20:49,593
Without regard to race
1439
01:20:49,632 --> 01:20:51,832
I say war
1440
01:20:51,872 --> 01:20:53,632
And until
1441
01:20:53,632 --> 01:20:56,752
The ignoble
And unhappy regime
1442
01:20:56,753 --> 01:20:59,113
Which holds all
Of us through
1443
01:20:59,153 --> 01:21:02,153
Child abuse, yeah
1444
01:21:02,153 --> 01:21:04,713
Child abuse, yeah
1445
01:21:04,714 --> 01:21:07,994
Subhuman bondage
1446
01:21:07,994 --> 01:21:10,074
Has been toppled
1447
01:21:10,115 --> 01:21:12,555
Utterly destroyed
1448
01:21:12,554 --> 01:21:15,994
Everywhere is war
1449
01:21:24,155 --> 01:21:27,075
Everything kind of
coalesced into that moment.
1450
01:21:27,116 --> 01:21:28,716
Someone who grew up
in a household
1451
01:21:28,755 --> 01:21:30,915
of abuse and rejection,
1452
01:21:30,916 --> 01:21:32,916
then being rejected,
1453
01:21:32,956 --> 01:21:35,796
by what probably felt like
the whole entire world,
1454
01:21:35,795 --> 01:21:40,155
re-traumatizing her
in front of the world,
1455
01:21:40,156 --> 01:21:42,836
it made me feel demoralized,
as a woman.
1456
01:21:44,477 --> 01:21:46,157
People that would boo
Sin�ad O'Connor,
1457
01:21:46,196 --> 01:21:49,876
what were they doing
at a Bob Dylan concert?
1458
01:21:49,878 --> 01:21:52,198
She's taken quite a beating,
in the world,
1459
01:21:52,197 --> 01:21:54,397
because, the world
does not take kindly,
1460
01:21:54,398 --> 01:21:57,638
to having its
program interrupted.
1461
01:21:57,637 --> 01:22:00,237
The smooth flow of entertainment
must not be interrupted.
1462
01:22:05,438 --> 01:22:06,838
"My name is Sin�ad O'Connor,
1463
01:22:06,839 --> 01:22:08,399
and I'm learning to love myself.
1464
01:22:09,638 --> 01:22:11,118
I am deserving,
1465
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:13,399
I deserve to be
treated with respect,
1466
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:15,599
I deserve not to be
treated like dirt,
1467
01:22:15,599 --> 01:22:16,919
I deserve to be listened to.
1468
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,720
My name is Sin�ad O'Connor,
1469
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:21,719
I am a woman,
I have something to offer,
1470
01:22:21,759 --> 01:22:23,399
I am and have always been
carrying a lot of grief,
1471
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:25,720
from my lost childhood,
1472
01:22:25,719 --> 01:22:27,559
and for the effects of its
horror and violence on my life.
1473
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,520
I find it hard to be myself,
1474
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,400
to show my feelings.
1475
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,440
To get to the joy,
1476
01:22:33,441 --> 01:22:35,161
I need to release the pain,
which is blocking me.
1477
01:22:35,161 --> 01:22:38,521
If I do not do this,
I will not survive.
1478
01:22:38,521 --> 01:22:40,961
I was angry before,
because I was frightened,
1479
01:22:41,002 --> 01:22:43,482
but I know that if you
could really listen,
1480
01:22:43,481 --> 01:22:45,481
you'd see that we do not
know what we are doing,
1481
01:22:45,481 --> 01:22:48,161
when we mock the expression
of human feeling.
1482
01:22:48,161 --> 01:22:51,001
When we scoff at the sound
of our children's keening,
1483
01:22:51,042 --> 01:22:53,282
there's a mirror into
which we are not looking.
1484
01:22:57,403 --> 01:22:59,003
There's no way
I'm going to shut my mouth,
1485
01:22:59,002 --> 01:23:00,602
I am a battered child,
1486
01:23:00,603 --> 01:23:02,843
and the whole bloody world
is gonna know about it,
1487
01:23:02,843 --> 01:23:04,683
the same as they are gonna know
about every other battered child.
1488
01:23:04,682 --> 01:23:06,682
They are not going to
be able to shut us up,
1489
01:23:06,723 --> 01:23:08,763
just because they don't
want to hear about it.
1490
01:23:11,763 --> 01:23:14,403
We all have,
mental health issues,
1491
01:23:14,404 --> 01:23:16,364
you know, on one level,
1492
01:23:16,404 --> 01:23:18,324
and it's very important
for us to recognize that,
1493
01:23:18,324 --> 01:23:20,564
and I think that's something
that Sin�ad O'Connor
1494
01:23:20,565 --> 01:23:22,245
did way before anybody else.
1495
01:23:24,125 --> 01:23:26,365
I was always being
crazied by the media,
1496
01:23:26,405 --> 01:23:28,565
made out to be crazy.
1497
01:23:28,564 --> 01:23:31,364
I don't blame anybody,
for thinking I was crazy,
1498
01:23:31,365 --> 01:23:33,205
or for hating me for it,
or whatever,
1499
01:23:33,205 --> 01:23:35,005
'cause they didn't know,
I mean, it was a crazy idea,
1500
01:23:35,005 --> 01:23:36,525
I mean, this bitch
is saying that,
1501
01:23:36,526 --> 01:23:37,646
priests are raping children,
1502
01:23:37,646 --> 01:23:39,246
I mean, Jesus Christ,
1503
01:23:39,245 --> 01:23:40,805
of course it seemed
crazy to them.
1504
01:23:42,846 --> 01:23:45,326
Sin�ad was put into isolation.
1505
01:23:45,366 --> 01:23:47,286
She, was still
making great music,
1506
01:23:47,327 --> 01:23:49,087
still making great records,
1507
01:23:49,085 --> 01:23:51,725
but we didn't hear them
and we didn't see them.
1508
01:23:51,766 --> 01:23:54,526
In those days, if the press
weren't talking about you,
1509
01:23:54,567 --> 01:23:57,207
if you weren't on the radio,
if you weren't on TV screens,
1510
01:23:57,207 --> 01:23:59,327
you might as well
have not existed.
1511
01:23:59,367 --> 01:24:00,967
Which is what
happened with Sin�ad,
1512
01:24:00,967 --> 01:24:02,367
she just disappears.
1513
01:24:05,288 --> 01:24:07,688
I have about a ten-year period
1514
01:24:07,688 --> 01:24:09,448
I don't remember much,
1515
01:24:09,487 --> 01:24:10,447
because it suddenly
became a free for all
1516
01:24:10,488 --> 01:24:12,528
for everybody around me,
1517
01:24:12,527 --> 01:24:16,007
personally and publicly to
treat me like shit basically.
1518
01:24:18,768 --> 01:24:20,648
They didn't like what
they saw on the mirror,
1519
01:24:20,649 --> 01:24:22,209
I understand that now,
1520
01:24:22,249 --> 01:24:24,009
but when I was younger,
I was just hurt.
1521
01:24:31,809 --> 01:24:34,569
The
willingness to tell her story,
1522
01:24:34,569 --> 01:24:37,609
to share her personal pain,
her struggles,
1523
01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:40,930
to share them, with Ireland
and with the world,
1524
01:24:40,930 --> 01:24:44,290
I think has given people,
the courage to do the same.
1525
01:24:48,851 --> 01:24:51,011
On behalf of this state,
1526
01:24:51,012 --> 01:24:53,892
the government and our citizens,
1527
01:24:53,931 --> 01:24:57,811
deeply regret,
and apologize unreservedly,
1528
01:24:57,811 --> 01:24:59,411
to all those women,
1529
01:24:59,411 --> 01:25:01,411
for the hurt
that was done to them,
1530
01:25:01,412 --> 01:25:03,572
for the, any stigma
they have suffered,
1531
01:25:03,572 --> 01:25:05,972
as a result
of the time they spent,
1532
01:25:05,972 --> 01:25:07,532
in the Magdalene Laundries.
1533
01:25:09,573 --> 01:25:12,573
Today, we live in
a very different country,
1534
01:25:12,613 --> 01:25:14,573
with a very different
consciousness,
1535
01:25:14,613 --> 01:25:16,213
and a very different awareness.
1536
01:25:20,453 --> 01:25:23,013
An Ireland where we have
more compassion,
1537
01:25:23,014 --> 01:25:27,534
more empathy,
more insight, more heart.
1538
01:25:27,534 --> 01:25:32,654
We do, because at last, we are
learning those terrible lessons.
1539
01:25:32,654 --> 01:25:36,014
We do, because at last
we're giving up our secrets.
1540
01:25:41,055 --> 01:25:43,615
In Ireland, it's being
called a quiet revolution,
1541
01:25:43,615 --> 01:25:45,215
and a victory for women.
1542
01:25:45,215 --> 01:25:47,535
The once
conservative nation, voted yes
1543
01:25:47,576 --> 01:25:50,456
to repeal a constitutional
ban on abortion.
1544
01:25:58,737 --> 01:26:00,217
Yeah,
I'm proud to be Irish today.
1545
01:26:00,216 --> 01:26:02,296
I think Ireland's coming so far,
1546
01:26:02,296 --> 01:26:04,416
in the last ten years,
and I think it's really showing
1547
01:26:04,417 --> 01:26:05,537
that we're not so influenced
1548
01:26:05,536 --> 01:26:07,336
by the church as much anymore.
1549
01:26:10,498 --> 01:26:12,298
Wherever there's
that righteous anger
1550
01:26:12,337 --> 01:26:14,457
of a woman now,
who is making a difference,
1551
01:26:14,498 --> 01:26:16,498
who's changing things,
1552
01:26:16,538 --> 01:26:18,618
who's standing up
and being courageous.
1553
01:26:18,618 --> 01:26:22,098
That is where the little
sparks of Sin�ad are.
1554
01:26:28,618 --> 01:26:31,778
We are seeing the rights that
people fought for being pulled back,
1555
01:26:31,819 --> 01:26:33,659
being diminished,
1556
01:26:33,659 --> 01:26:36,099
and... to look at the power
of speaking out,
1557
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:39,260
and she is the absolute epitome
of what that power is.
1558
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:43,820
We need to keep showing
how effective it is,
1559
01:26:43,820 --> 01:26:45,740
and how important it is.
1560
01:26:52,580 --> 01:26:54,740
Women's bodies are under attack!
1561
01:26:54,741 --> 01:26:56,501
- What do we do?
- Stand up, fight back!
1562
01:27:04,902 --> 01:27:06,782
There's a lot
of artists that came afterward,
1563
01:27:06,782 --> 01:27:09,542
that were able to say
and speak their mind,
1564
01:27:09,542 --> 01:27:10,822
and spill their soul.
1565
01:27:12,902 --> 01:27:15,902
She broke the ice
for a whole decade
1566
01:27:15,943 --> 01:27:17,743
or two decades
of artists after her.
1567
01:27:36,024 --> 01:27:37,904
A government inquiry last year
1568
01:27:37,904 --> 01:27:39,104
found some Irish bishops
1569
01:27:39,144 --> 01:27:40,944
put their church's reputation
1570
01:27:40,985 --> 01:27:43,105
before the interests
of their flock,
1571
01:27:43,105 --> 01:27:46,825
actively covering up clerical
child abuse for 30 years.
1572
01:27:46,865 --> 01:27:49,105
But the scandals
go far beyond Ireland,
1573
01:27:49,145 --> 01:27:51,145
and touch the Vatican directly.
1574
01:27:51,185 --> 01:27:53,785
Last week, it was alleged
that Pope Benedict,
1575
01:27:53,825 --> 01:27:55,625
then known as
Cardinal Ratzinger,
1576
01:27:55,665 --> 01:27:57,825
had prevented the church trial,
1577
01:27:57,826 --> 01:28:00,986
of an American paedophile
priest, in the 1990s.
1578
01:28:01,026 --> 01:28:04,426
The church in Ireland,
must acknowledge before the Lord
1579
01:28:04,466 --> 01:28:07,906
and others,
the serious sins committed
1580
01:28:07,947 --> 01:28:10,187
against defenceless children.
1581
01:28:16,107 --> 01:28:19,547
Sin�ad O'Connor as an artist,
forged her own path
1582
01:28:19,588 --> 01:28:22,628
in a world that just
was not ready for her.
1583
01:28:22,628 --> 01:28:24,508
This young upstart,
1584
01:28:24,508 --> 01:28:26,868
with the most beautiful voice
you can imagine,
1585
01:28:26,908 --> 01:28:32,668
showed up, and just rocked
the shit out of the horse cart.
1586
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:34,669
I don't want to see
her as a martyr,
1587
01:28:34,708 --> 01:28:36,628
because she's a
three-dimensional human being.
1588
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:39,109
She makes mistakes,
she's a weirdo, she's great,
1589
01:28:39,108 --> 01:28:41,868
she's a lot of different things.
1590
01:28:41,869 --> 01:28:43,669
She did not deserve
what she got.
1591
01:28:48,710 --> 01:28:52,470
I regret that people
treated me like shit,
1592
01:28:52,471 --> 01:28:56,711
and I regret that I was
so wounded already
1593
01:28:56,750 --> 01:29:00,430
that that really,
really killed me and hurt me.
1594
01:29:00,470 --> 01:29:02,550
You know?
1595
01:29:02,551 --> 01:29:04,791
They all thought that I should
be made a mockery of
1596
01:29:04,791 --> 01:29:07,471
for throwing
my career down the drain.
1597
01:29:07,471 --> 01:29:09,071
I never set out
to be a pop star,
1598
01:29:09,112 --> 01:29:11,072
it didn't suit me
being a pop star.
1599
01:29:11,072 --> 01:29:14,112
So I didn't throw away any
fucking career that I wanted.
1600
01:29:14,112 --> 01:29:17,392
Didn't change my attitude.
1601
01:29:17,392 --> 01:29:19,312
I wasn't sorry,
I didn't regret it,
1602
01:29:19,352 --> 01:29:23,072
it was the proudest thing
I've ever done as an artist.
1603
01:29:23,112 --> 01:29:26,832
They broke my heart and
they killed me, but I didn't die.
1604
01:29:28,912 --> 01:29:30,592
They tried to bury me,
1605
01:29:30,593 --> 01:29:32,033
they didn't realize
I was a seed.
1606
01:29:35,193 --> 01:29:40,033
Thank you for hearing me
1607
01:29:42,033 --> 01:29:46,953
Thank you for hearing me
1608
01:29:48,994 --> 01:29:53,874
Thank you for hearing me
1609
01:29:55,836 --> 01:30:01,196
Thank you for hearing me
1610
01:30:06,956 --> 01:30:12,956
Thank you for loving me
1611
01:30:12,997 --> 01:30:17,877
Thank you for loving me
1612
01:30:19,238 --> 01:30:24,838
Thank you for loving me
1613
01:30:24,877 --> 01:30:30,077
Thank you for loving me
1614
01:30:34,438 --> 01:30:40,198
Which means forsaking me
1615
01:30:40,199 --> 01:30:46,039
Thank you for seeing me
1616
01:30:46,079 --> 01:30:52,079
Thank you for seeing me
1617
01:30:52,079 --> 01:30:57,679
Thank you for seeing me
1618
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:07,760
And for not leaving me
1619
01:31:07,801 --> 01:31:12,881
And for not leaving me
1620
01:31:14,281 --> 01:31:20,241
And for not leaving me
1621
01:31:20,242 --> 01:31:25,482
And for not leaving me
1622
01:31:29,603 --> 01:31:35,443
Thank you
For staying with me
1623
01:31:35,482 --> 01:31:41,882
Thank you
For staying with me
1624
01:31:41,923 --> 01:31:47,243
Thank you
For staying with me
1625
01:31:47,284 --> 01:31:53,004
Thank you
For staying with me
1626
01:31:57,044 --> 01:32:02,804
Thanks for not hurting me
1627
01:32:02,805 --> 01:32:08,285
Thanks for not hurting me
1628
01:32:08,285 --> 01:32:14,245
Thanks for not hurting me
1629
01:32:14,245 --> 01:32:20,045
Thanks for not hurting me
1630
01:32:24,606 --> 01:32:30,526
You are gentle with me
1631
01:32:30,567 --> 01:32:35,407
You are gentle with me
1632
01:32:36,887 --> 01:32:42,927
You are gentle with me
1633
01:32:42,928 --> 01:32:48,408
You are gentle with me
1634
01:32:52,130 --> 01:32:57,930
Thanks for silence with me
1635
01:32:57,929 --> 01:33:03,089
Thanks for silence with me
1636
01:33:04,489 --> 01:33:10,369
Thanks for silence with me
1637
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:15,690
Thanks for silence with me
1638
01:33:20,251 --> 01:33:26,411
Thank you for holding me
1639
01:33:26,411 --> 01:33:32,771
And saying I could be
1640
01:33:32,772 --> 01:33:38,612
Thank you
For saying, "Baby"
1641
01:33:38,652 --> 01:33:43,492
Thank you for holding me
1642
01:33:48,013 --> 01:33:53,653
Thank you for helping me
1643
01:33:53,654 --> 01:33:59,454
Thank you for helping me
1644
01:33:59,495 --> 01:34:05,255
Thank you for helping me
1645
01:34:05,294 --> 01:34:09,054
Thank you
1646
01:34:09,055 --> 01:34:12,655
Thank you for helping me
1647
01:34:15,456 --> 01:34:21,576
Thank you
For breaking my heart
1648
01:34:21,576 --> 01:34:27,336
Thank you
For tearing me apart
1649
01:34:27,376 --> 01:34:30,736
Now I've a strong
1650
01:34:30,776 --> 01:34:33,776
Strong heart
1651
01:34:33,817 --> 01:34:36,937
Thank you
1652
01:34:36,977 --> 01:34:42,817
For breaking my heart
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