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Welcome to North Korea,
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the world's most isolated
and repressive state,
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a country that's always
been on the outside,
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ever since its birth at the end
of the second world war,
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when Korea was torn in two.
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The Soviet union
helped to establish
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a communist state in the north
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and installed Kim Il-Sung
as leader.
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Kim's failed attempt to conquer
the South during the Korean war
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led to a four-kilometer-wide
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buffer zone being built
between the two nations...
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the most heavily militarized
border on the planet.
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Today, North Korea
remains an anomaly,
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cut off both politically
and geographically
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from the modern world.
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But one man is on a mission
to change all that...
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with a basketball.
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For the first time,
this is what happened
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when Dennis Rodman
went to North Korea
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and staged the most
controversial sporting event
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the world has never seen.
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To get this story moving,
let's rewind to September 2013
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and a rather unusual
news conference.
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We're here today
for Dennis Rodman
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to make a historic announcement
following his recent visit
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to North Korea.
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The ministry of sports
of the D.P.R. of Korea invites
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Mr. Dennis Rodman
and his colleagues to return
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to D.P.R. Korea to organize
a basketball tournament,
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including the best players
from D.P.R.K.
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And a team
of 12 former NBA players
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to be held in January 2014.
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Dennis Rodman,
North Korea, and Paddy Power?
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Now, there's a combination
you don't see every day.
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So just what had brought
an ex-NBA star,
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the world's
most vilified country,
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and an Irish gambling company
together?
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Well, it all started
a couple of years ago
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when Dennis' agent received
an unexpected phone call.
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I would say
about August of 2012,
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I was contacted by an executive
at Vice Media,
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and he said
would Dennis consider
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being part of a documentary
for HBO
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to go over as their figurehead?
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It was more of an informal
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basketball diplomacy
type of trip
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with some Harlem Globetrotters.
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And they sent me
an e-mail picture of Kim Jong-Un
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in I guess
it was maybe college,
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shooting some baskets, wearing
a "91 Rodman" bulls Jersey.
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Actually, the guy in the
picture was Kim Jong-Un's brother.
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They called up and said,
you know,
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we want you to go to North Korea
and do a documentary
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and play in a game
with the Harlem Globetrotters.
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And I thought it was a joke.
I said, "well, whatever."
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I've played with the Harlem
Globetrotters a couple times.
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Next think you know,
the word got out that, you know,
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I'm going to North Korea,
then all of a sudden,
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all the negativity started
to come out about North Korea,
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how, you know,
the country's bad,
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how they kidnap people.
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It's crazy,
you know, you never come back.
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And just all these
different type
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of wild, wild, animated stories.
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So I said,
"it don't really matter to me."
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I've been to worse.
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I've looked death in the face
too many times in my life,
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"so it doesn't really matter
to me."
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In case you didn't know,
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from humble beginnings,
Dennis Rodman became
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one of the greatest
basketball players
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the world has ever seen.
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This is where we'd like to show
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some incredible footage
of Dennis' playing career,
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but, unfortunately, the NBA,
which owns all of the footage,
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has flat-out refused to take
part in this documentary...
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so we can't.
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What we can show you
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is some of Dennis'
barmy behavior off the court,
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which is what really caught
the world's attention.
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His hair, piercings, tattoos,
and kooky dress sense
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made him a press sensation.
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And then there was his fling
with Madonna
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and his marriage, albeit swift,
to Carmen electra.
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After hanging up his nikes,
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Dennis continued to be
the most flamboyant,
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in-your-face
American celebrity around.
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So you wouldn't have thought
that he'd be welcomed
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in a country that believes in
order, conformity,
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and little freedom
of expression.
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So we went to the game.
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The game is packed.
It's full.
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I'm sitting on the bench,
and all of a sudden,
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he walks in.
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This little, short guy.
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You know, like, wait a minute.
Who is that?
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I said, "that must be
the President of the country."
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And he walks in,
with him is his wife
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and all his leaders
and stuff like that.
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So, anyway, I walked down there.
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And that's basically
how it all happened.
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Once the game was over,
we got invited...
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the team got invited
to his house...
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well, not his house, his palace,
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or whatever you
want to call it... for dinner.
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Before I left, me and him
were sitting there talking.
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Man, I said, "you know,
I'll be back again."
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And he said, "I would love
for you to come back."
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And four months
later, Dennis did return,
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jumping on an army helicopter
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to the man they call
The Marshal's
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east coast holiday home.
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Along for the ride,
his personal assistant, VO.
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I'll tell you what,
I was the only one
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in the office that, you know,
back home
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that was really wanted,
you know, wanted to go.
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Other people were not sure
and, you know, they've heard,
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you know, a lot of things
through the media.
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And I was like, you know,
"I'm going!"
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You know?
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If Dennis can go,
Dennis is like my brother,
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I'm going.
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I want to be there.
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I want to see
what it's all about.
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Everything is just so, like,
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just five-star, six-star,
seven-star.
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It was just a great day
every day, and we had so much...
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there was so much entertainment,
so much fun,
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just so much relaxation,
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because everything
was just so... so perfect.
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Last trip he was there,
he stood up and did a toast
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with the whole regime,
Kim, and his wife there.
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And he's like, "Marshal",
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your father and your grandfather
did some fucked-up shit.
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But, you,
you're trying to make a change,
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"and I love you for that."
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And he did a toast,
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and Dennis and VO said
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they thought either they were
gonna be done right then
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or they didn't know
what to expect.
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He said Kim stood up,
five-second pause,
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and he raised the glass
and smiled
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and then started clapping.
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And he's like, "after that",
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I knew I could get away
with anything."
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When we really actually
talked, talked, talked,
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I mean, we really, really got
really close with each other...
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as far as, like,
as a friendship, bond-wise.
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While they were kicking back,
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The Marshal opened up
about Dennis' previous trip.
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He didn't get
the Harlem Globetrotters.
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He didn't get the fact that
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that's what they do for a living.
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He didn't like the show.
He told me right off the bat.
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He said, well, he didn't
want that. He hated that.
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He just laughed. I said, "yeah,
I figured you hated that one."
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He wanted to see
a basketball game.
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So I think that's where the idea
of us coming together,
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saying, you know,
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"let's put on a basketball game,
a real game."
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And his interpreter said,
you know,
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"you know his birthday
is January 8th, right?"
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So automatically,
I clicked in quick.
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I said, "we're gonna have
a game here in January",
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why not do it on his birthday?"
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On his birthday.
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So I say, "shit, you know,
that would be perfect."
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He's telling me where he was.
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He goes, "well, we've been
on a tropical island."
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It's like his camp David,
but it's, you know,
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this gorgeous, remote island.
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And we were jet-skiing
and eating and hanging out.
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I'm the first non-North Korean
to hold his baby.
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And we got pictures,
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"and guess what."
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I said, "what?"
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"The game's happening
January 8th."
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I had tears in my eyes.
I couldn't believe it.
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I said, "you've got it..."
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I was thinking, "you mean,
no attorney reviewed it?"
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He goes, "you think you need
an attorney with these people?"
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We don't need no attorney."
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Dennis did need
one thing though... money.
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Putting on such a big event
halfway around the world
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is going to require a lot of it.
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But luckily for Dennis,
in a moment of pure serendipity,
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he was about to cross paths
with the perfect sponsor.
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One of the biggest
gambling companies
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in Ireland and the U.K.,
Paddy Power is well known
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for its headline-grabbing
marketing strategies,
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and it was one of its cheekiest
rr. Stunts yet
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that led to it
first meeting Dennis.
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It started in a very, very
unprecedented circumstance.
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It was the first
papal resignation
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in the past 600 years.
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We sent our people out to Rome.
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We were taking bets
on who the next pope would be.
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We were also offering
a money-back special...
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money back
if the next pope is black,
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because the two favorites
were black cardinals...
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cardinal Arinze
and cardinal Turkson from Ghana.
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So it looked very likely
from a betting point of view
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that the next pope
would actually be black.
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The two biggest stories
on that particular day
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were Paddy Power taking bets
on who the next pope would be
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and Dennis Rodman on his
first trip out to North Korea.
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And we thought, it could be
an interesting synergy here
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if we bring
the two of them together.
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And, quite literally,
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Dennis was on a plane to Rome
to help out Rory and Paddy
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in Vatican city.
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In Rome,
Dennis told Paddy Power
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about his agreement
to Kim Jung-Un
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to put on a basketball game
in North Korea.
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And Paddy Power jumped
at the chance to get involved.
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Paddy Power came out of
the blue and said, "we'll do it."
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You know, they're one of those
type of companies
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where they just...
they love entertainment,
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they love excitement,
they love intriguing things
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that's gonna actually, you know,
put them on the map.
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The game is planned
for January 8...
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That brings us
up to the news conference
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when the game was revealed
to the world.
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Dennis has painted the trip
as a way to bridge the gap
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between North Korea
and the United States.
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Now, that might sound
like a pipe dream,
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but it's exactly what happened
in the 1970's
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when a team of U.S. ping-pong
players traveled to China.
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The visit eased tensions
between the two nations,
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and two years later, Richard Nixon paid
his own visit to the communist state.
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40 years on,
could Dennis pave the way
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for the current U.S. government
to visit North Korea?
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It would be a long-shot
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given the country's
rocky relationship.
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But as recently as 1994,
the United States
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and North Korea
were on the brink of war,
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after falling out
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over North Korea's
nuclear ambitions.
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But president Bill Clinton...
ever the charmer...
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sent his predecessor
Jimmy Carter
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on a diplomatic mission,
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and Kim Il-Sung agreed
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to put North Korea's
nuclear plans on hold.
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That all changed in the early
years of the 21st century
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when new leader Kim Jung-Il
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put North Korea's
nuclear program back in motion
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after president George Bush
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took a somewhat different
approach to his predecessor
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by publicly naming North Korea,
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alongside Iran and Iraq,
in an...
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Axis of evil.
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That brings us
to the current administration
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and president Obama's tactic
of strategic patience...
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which basically means
refusing to speak
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to the third generation
and new leader Kim Jung-Un
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until North Korea
agrees to disarm.
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Of course,
that means Dennis' willingness
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to converse with North Korea
flies in the face
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of the U.S.A.'s
current foreign policy.
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No wonder the white house is keen to
distance itself from his efforts.
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Mr. Rodman is on a private trip.
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And our views about North Korea
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and its failure to meet
its obligations
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have not changed,
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and our views about Kenneth Bae
have not changed.
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Ah, yes, Kenneth
Bae, an Evangelical Christian
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who was arrested in 2012
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while leading a tour group
through North Korea.
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He was later charged
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with planning to overthrow
the government
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and sentenced to 15 years
hard labor.
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It's yet another cause
of friction,
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and Dennis finds himself
under pressure,
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as a personal friend
of Kim Jung-Un's,
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to help push for Bae's release.
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And then if that wasn't enough
for Dennis to contend with,
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just one day before he's due
to fly out, this happens.
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"Despicable human scum
worse than a dog."
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That's how
North Korean state media
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described
the once-powerful Uncle.
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An Uncle of North Korean
leader Kim Jung-Un
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has been executed for trying
to overthrow the government.
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Reports from North Korea tonight
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say the second-most-powerful man
in the country
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has been executed.
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Jang Sung-Thaek, the Uncle
of the country's leader
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had already been stripped
of all his powers.
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Today, a military tribunal
ordered his execution
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after he was found guilty
of treason.
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When the shocking news
about Jang Sung-Thaek breaks,
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Dennis is enjoying
his last night of revelry
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in his hometown of Miami.
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The story has turned an even
greater spotlight on his trip.
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Does Dennis really know
what he's getting himself into?
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I'm doing a really,
really good basketball game
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in the world,
and no one's ever done this.
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You know, they got their Jay-z's,
their Beyoncés, stuff like that.
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None of these people
in the world
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that's way more famous than I am
are doing what I'm doing.
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I don't want people to see...
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You know, I get death threats...
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I get death threats a lot.
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"Why you doing this, Dennis?
Why you doing that?
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Why are you doing
this, this, that?"
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I'm not doing shit.
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I'm not doing a goddamn thing.
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All I'm doing is trying to keep
everything together.
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And show people that,
hey, God damn, man, come on.
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What am I doing?
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And it's like,
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"well, don't you know
that he just killed his Uncle,
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chopped his head off?"
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I said, "no, I didn't know that.
What?"
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"Did you know
he kills people a lot."
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"No, I didn't know that."
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Do we in America? Yeah!
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What?
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Why am I doing it?
Why am I trying to change shit?
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You know,
I'm not Martin Luther King.
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I'm not this bullshit.
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If someone will shoot me,
please do it today.
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Do it fucking today, right now.
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I'm right here.
Fuck it.
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That's what I tell people.
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I say, "man, I can't sit there
and say, 'hey, you know what?"
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Hey, Marshal,
can you let this guy free?
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Mm, really?
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Hey, guy,
can you do that for me?
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Can you do one thing?
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Can I go over and get him
and take him back to America
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"and stuff like that?"
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But, like...
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That's not my job.
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You know, I'm just trying
to open the door, that's it.
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And when I say
that people do one thing,
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I want to say...
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♪ someone's knockin'
at the door ♪
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♪ someone's ringin' the bell ♪
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You know about this.
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♪ Someone's knockin'
at the door ♪
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♪ Someone's ringin' the bell ♪
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♪ do me a favor ♪
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♪ open the door ♪
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♪ and let us in ♪
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- Say, "Hi! How you doing?"
- How you doing, man?
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- Have a Happy Holiday.
- Happy Holiday.
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Run up and get
a picture of me then.
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And so the following
day, it's a defiant Dennis
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who sets out for North Korea.
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Despite the negative
media reaction,
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not everyone is against him.
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And that includes this man,
American Daniel Pinkston,
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an expert
in North Korean politics
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who turned up at the Paddy Power
news conference.
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He supports Dennis' trip and
believes his presence in North Korea
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could have a positive effect
on the country.
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I would argue to change policy,
first you have to change a mind.
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You have to have
some new thinking,
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you have to have a different
idea to change the policy.
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So if they are not exposed
to any outside information,
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including media or any kind
of news information...
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books,
any type of information...
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and including human,
people-to-people exchanges,
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whether it's students,
basketball players,
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or anyone else,
if we close all of that off
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and North Korea's
completely sealed shut,
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how is that going to make it
more likely
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for people to change
their minds, to get new ideas,
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and change the policy?
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So I'm kind of puzzled
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when people have
such a strong emotional reaction
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to this type of project.
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I don't see the reason
or rationale behind it.
374
00:16:53,429 --> 00:16:56,273
And, yes,
the regime is repugnant.
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I don't like the regime, right?
376
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But by isolating them,
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how is it going to increase
the likelihood of any change?
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After finally
winning the support of someone
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in an official capacity,
Dennis arrives in Beijing,
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his last stop
en route to North Korea,
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where he meets up
with the rest of his entourage.
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There's his assistant, VO,
Rory from Paddy Power,
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and another,
more unlikely, travel buddy,
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a science buff
and Professor, Joe,
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00:17:23,125 --> 00:17:24,172
who got involved th rough
a suitably bizarre route.
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It was a charity auction,
and I...
387
00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:30,467
You know, put down a bid
on the chance to meet Dennis
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after his first trip to Korea,
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00:17:32,718 --> 00:17:34,846
because I was gonna be spending
the summer in Korea
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teaching human genetics, and
I just wanted to meet him
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because I thought what he's trying
to do with sports is similar
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to what I was trying to do
with science.
393
00:17:43,813 --> 00:17:46,692
And, you know, I think science,
music, culture, sports
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are all things
that are innocuous
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where you can build
relationships between people.
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00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:53,205
And I told him, you know,
if there's anything
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I could do to help,
all he had to do was ask.
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00:17:55,575 --> 00:17:58,169
I get an e-mail
from this guy, Joe.
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He's a Professor,
and he goes to North Korea
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00:18:00,496 --> 00:18:01,918
and teaches
about American culture.
401
00:18:02,206 --> 00:18:04,459
And he's got a friend of his,
Michael Spavor,
402
00:18:04,750 --> 00:18:07,173
who, you know,
does these tours of North Korea.
403
00:18:07,461 --> 00:18:08,838
I'm like, "this is ridiculous."
404
00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:10,598
It's just, like,
what are the odds?
405
00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:12,178
I'm like, "Joe," I was like,
406
00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,267
"we need you right now
more than you need us."
407
00:18:14,302 --> 00:18:16,225
I'm like, "I don't know
who to trust out there."
408
00:18:16,512 --> 00:18:18,514
I'm like, "can your friend
possibly... bring him."
409
00:18:18,806 --> 00:18:20,058
And he goes, "oh, absolutely."
410
00:18:20,349 --> 00:18:21,789
We'd love to talk to you
about that."
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00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,311
He goes,
"and I'll tell you what."
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00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:24,883
He goes, "we'll help arrange it"
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as long as we can go
and be a part of it."
414
00:18:27,023 --> 00:18:30,869
And so this rather
curious band of characters
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00:18:31,152 --> 00:18:34,247
sets off on the final leg
of its journey...
416
00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:37,249
a three-hour hop
over the iron curtain
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into North Korea.
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00:18:59,764 --> 00:19:00,856
Dennis asked me last night,
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you know, he goes,
"why are you on board?
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00:19:03,684 --> 00:19:05,106
Why are you doing this?"
421
00:19:05,394 --> 00:19:07,613
And I said, "I'm doing this
because, first of all",
422
00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,649
over the many times
that I've been to Korea,
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00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:11,362
I've grown to just love
being here.
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00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:13,619
I like the people.
The people are excellent.
425
00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:14,995
The food's great.
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00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:17,327
It's just a wonderful place
to visit.
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00:19:17,615 --> 00:19:19,868
And I look forward to the chance
of trying to help bridge
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00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:23,629
this gap that we have between
what Americans think about Korea
429
00:19:23,913 --> 00:19:25,460
"and what Koreans think
about America."
430
00:19:25,748 --> 00:19:28,217
And Americans don't have
an accurate perception
431
00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,595
of what things are like here,
432
00:19:30,878 --> 00:19:32,479
understandably so,
because they don't get
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00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,221
any accurate coverage
of what the situation is.
434
00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:38,227
They don't know, you know?
435
00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:41,390
And I try to tell people
what I see here, my experiences.
436
00:19:41,681 --> 00:19:43,604
I've always thought
the Korean people
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00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:45,893
are so friendly and warm
and inviting,
438
00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,279
even if I am
a U.S. imperialist bastard,
439
00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:50,439
they're still nice to me.
440
00:19:50,731 --> 00:19:53,234
And always friendly,
and they're always warm.
441
00:19:54,985 --> 00:19:56,828
Really nice to meet you.
442
00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:58,035
How you doing?
443
00:19:58,322 --> 00:19:59,369
There he is.
444
00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:00,954
Back home again.
445
00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:05,291
Good to see you, buddy.
446
00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:07,297
Oh!
447
00:20:07,581 --> 00:20:10,960
Once again, Dennis has
arrived on North Korean soil.
448
00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:12,799
And after settling in his hotel,
449
00:20:13,087 --> 00:20:15,681
he's taken straight
to an 18-course welcome dinner
450
00:20:15,965 --> 00:20:17,467
with the North Korean
sports minister.
451
00:20:17,758 --> 00:20:20,432
He's told that Kim Jung-Un
is too busy to attend,
452
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,846
which is no surprise
453
00:20:22,138 --> 00:20:24,015
seeing as he's just purged
his Uncle.
454
00:20:24,306 --> 00:20:25,603
In The Marshal's absence,
455
00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:27,893
plans are made
for the next few days.
456
00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:29,357
And for the good health
457
00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:32,023
of our dear, respected Marshal,
Kim Jong-Un,
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00:20:32,314 --> 00:20:33,675
the leader of our party
and people.
459
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,952
And for the good health
of Mr. Dennis Rodman
460
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,908
and all the party members here,
461
00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:39,947
I would like to propose
a toast.
462
00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:41,661
It's a relaxed first evening.
463
00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:44,077
But tomorrow,
it's down to business.
464
00:20:49,415 --> 00:20:52,794
The next morning, Dennis is
up early and ready for action.
465
00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,588
The January game
is just a few weeks away,
466
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,054
and Dennis is in a race
to get everything ready in time.
467
00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:00,558
His first stop is the stadium
468
00:21:00,843 --> 00:21:02,563
where the historic match-up
will take place.
469
00:21:07,683 --> 00:21:09,401
Waiting for Dennis
is a select group
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00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:12,108
of North Korea's
best basketball players.
471
00:21:12,396 --> 00:21:14,865
It's now down to Dennis to pick
the very best
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00:21:15,149 --> 00:21:16,822
for the final North Korean team
473
00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:20,454
that will face off against the
Americans on January 8th.
474
00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:22,706
- These are two teams?
- Yes.
475
00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:25,743
Let's play against one in
a game so I can see 'em.
476
00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:39,049
So how good
are the North Korean players'?
477
00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,058
Well, better than
you might think.
478
00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:42,764
Due to the country's isolation,
479
00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:44,224
they won't be making waves
480
00:21:44,512 --> 00:21:46,389
on the international scene
any time soon.
481
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,184
But in quasi-communist states
like North Korea,
482
00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:52,556
athletes and national
sports teams are important cogs
483
00:21:52,603 --> 00:21:54,230
in the state
propaganda machine...
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00:21:54,522 --> 00:21:57,776
lauded by the leader to prove
what a good job he's doing
485
00:21:58,067 --> 00:22:00,445
and how powerful a nation
he's created.
486
00:22:00,736 --> 00:22:03,660
Oh, there you go.
All right. Nice.
487
00:22:03,948 --> 00:22:05,120
Look at him, right?
488
00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:08,627
You. You.
489
00:22:08,911 --> 00:22:12,211
Oh, they're moving now.
Now they're moving.
490
00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,125
And now they're moving.
491
00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:16,043
Basketball just happens to be
492
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:18,735
Kim Jung-Un's favorite sport,
too, so a lot of time and money
493
00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:20,511
has been put into developing
young talent.
494
00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:22,345
I tell you,
these NBA folk
495
00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:24,351
have got their work cut out,
I think.
496
00:22:24,635 --> 00:22:26,355
Some of them are gonna be
a little bit pudgy
497
00:22:26,595 --> 00:22:29,115
and a little bit slow, and these
guys are very nimble and quick.
498
00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,813
It's gonna be interesting.
It's gonna be interesting.
499
00:22:32,101 --> 00:22:34,479
- But the NBA guys are taller.
- Yeah.
500
00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:38,323
Let's line 'em up.
501
00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:42,954
So, basically, what I'm doing,
502
00:22:43,237 --> 00:22:44,989
I'm picking 12
of the best players here
503
00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:47,454
to play against
the NBA all-stars.
504
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,343
Make sure they're
not disappointed
505
00:23:05,634 --> 00:23:06,977
because I didn't pick them,
506
00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:09,013
just because they're,
you know...
507
00:23:09,305 --> 00:23:11,182
It's gonna be
an awesome feeling, man,
508
00:23:11,473 --> 00:23:13,953
'cause you guys never played in
front of professional athletes,
509
00:23:13,976 --> 00:23:15,523
and these guys are very good
that I'm bringing over.
510
00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:16,778
They're very good.
511
00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:18,609
Over the next few days,
512
00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:20,115
Dennis is kept busy
513
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,039
whipping the North Korean team
into shape,
514
00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,240
sharing all the know-how
he's built up
515
00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:26,622
over a decade
at the top of the game.
516
00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,329
They might not be good enough
to make it in the NBA,
517
00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:30,617
but, boy, can they shoot.
518
00:23:57,811 --> 00:24:00,155
Go, go, go, go, go, go,
go, go, go, go, go, go!
519
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:02,159
Defense, defense,
defense, defense, defense!
520
00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:03,199
Oh!
521
00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:05,862
There you go.
There you go.
522
00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:08,656
Come on!
You got to make it.
523
00:24:13,202 --> 00:24:16,706
Oh! Come on, come on,
come on, come on!
524
00:24:37,059 --> 00:24:39,278
Don't look so damn happy.
525
00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:41,776
Thank you, thank you.
526
00:24:42,064 --> 00:24:43,361
All right, guys.
527
00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:46,277
All right, guys.
Thank you.
528
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,720
With the training complete,
529
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:54,118
Dennis has seen firsthand
530
00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:56,050
how North Korea's investment
in basketball
531
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,417
is starting to bear fruit.
532
00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:59,628
The North Korean officials
are keen to show him
533
00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:01,258
more of the same,
534
00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:03,419
and before he can catch
his breath, he's taken
535
00:25:03,711 --> 00:25:05,839
on a specially organized
sports tour of Pyongyang.
536
00:25:27,109 --> 00:25:28,986
Do you guys practice
like this every day?
537
00:25:53,719 --> 00:25:56,279
Dennis and his entourage
are taxied around the capital
538
00:25:56,305 --> 00:25:58,182
from one site to another.
539
00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:00,818
Following him wherever he goes
is a camera crew
540
00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:02,581
from the state-run
television station.
541
00:26:02,603 --> 00:26:03,946
It's a big scoop having
542
00:26:04,229 --> 00:26:06,402
such a high-profile celebrity
in the country,
543
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:09,694
and they fully intend to make
the most of the opportunity.
544
00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:41,494
And the North Korean officials
can't resist slipping in a visit
545
00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:45,150
to a war museum full of captured
American aircraft.
546
00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:48,657
Luckily, that doesn't overly
dampen the group's spirits.
547
00:26:48,941 --> 00:26:51,410
It was... it was surreal.
It was extraordinary.
548
00:26:51,693 --> 00:26:53,373
It was... you know,
the cold was, you know,
549
00:26:53,529 --> 00:26:55,449
the first thing you notice...
minus 10, minus 12.
550
00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:58,826
Clear blue skies,
very beautiful.
551
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,086
I think it's the nearest thing
you can kind of liken it to
552
00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:02,622
is a real-life "Truman show."
553
00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,007
You know you're being watched
the whole moment.
554
00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:07,588
You can't, you know, move around
on your own autonomy,
555
00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:09,717
you can't leave the hotel
without your minders.
556
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:13,091
You're told what you can film,
557
00:27:13,382 --> 00:27:15,225
you're told
who you can speak to.
558
00:27:15,509 --> 00:27:18,604
But the people were lovely.
They treated us very well.
559
00:27:18,887 --> 00:27:20,728
What Dennis
probably doesn't suspect
560
00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:22,774
is that he's been used
for a spot of propaganda
561
00:27:23,058 --> 00:27:25,060
to counter the image
of Pyongyang
562
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:26,820
as a dour, depressed place
563
00:27:27,104 --> 00:27:30,278
and to show off the best of it
to everyone back home.
564
00:27:30,566 --> 00:27:33,490
Our man Daniel Pinkston
has his own views on that.
565
00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:36,155
I've been to North Korea
five times.
566
00:27:36,446 --> 00:27:39,666
The political promotion
and propaganda,
567
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:41,452
and that's true,
and that's real.
568
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:43,370
But there's also just a human
side to that as well, right?
569
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:45,130
Someone,
their hometown is Paris,
570
00:27:45,414 --> 00:27:46,882
and someone comes from Vietnam,
they come to Paris,
571
00:27:47,166 --> 00:27:48,839
you're gonna show them
the louvre and the eiffel tower.
572
00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:50,628
They're gonna show them
nice things,
573
00:27:50,919 --> 00:27:53,593
not say, "well, let me go find
the worst place in Paris."
574
00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:56,179
You know,
anybody's gonna do that.
575
00:27:56,466 --> 00:27:58,969
So there's, yes, they want...
there is the element
576
00:27:59,261 --> 00:28:01,434
that they want to manipulate
for the propaganda value.
577
00:28:01,722 --> 00:28:03,520
Yes, that's true,
578
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:06,356
but there's also a big part
of it that's just human nature.
579
00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:09,003
The last stop of the
tour ls a new sports complex
580
00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,990
where Dennis is asked to shoot
a few baskets for the cameras.
581
00:28:12,274 --> 00:28:14,072
Dennis was a rebounder,
not a shooter,
582
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,080
but even so, he might need
to dust off a few cobwebs
583
00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:19,580
before the big game.
584
00:28:19,865 --> 00:28:21,833
I can't shoot.
I can't shoot.
585
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:24,165
Give me a ball.
I can't shoot.
586
00:28:24,453 --> 00:28:25,204
Shit!
587
00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:26,792
That was like... I'm tired.
588
00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:32,632
I can't... I don't know.
I can't shoot the damn ball.
589
00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:35,305
Shit!
590
00:28:35,589 --> 00:28:37,887
Oh, my God!
591
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:41,887
Oh, come on!
592
00:28:43,597 --> 00:28:44,564
Ah!
593
00:28:47,601 --> 00:28:49,478
Finally.
594
00:28:55,484 --> 00:28:57,364
It's just a few
days until Christmas,
595
00:28:57,569 --> 00:28:59,730
and it's time for Dennis
and his entourage to head home
596
00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:02,241
to spend some quality time
with their friends and families.
597
00:29:02,532 --> 00:29:04,284
As a nation,
North Korea doesn't follow
598
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:06,044
any traditional
sort of religion,
599
00:29:06,328 --> 00:29:08,330
and they certainly
don't celebrate Christmas.
600
00:29:08,622 --> 00:29:12,547
But was Dennis disappointed
that his friend Kim Jong-Un
601
00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:15,508
hadn't got-ten into the spirit
and stopped by for a visit?
602
00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:17,469
Merry Christmas.
Happy new year.
603
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,305
I'm not just coming over here
to meet their leader,
604
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:22,014
The Marshal.
605
00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:25,146
I came over here
to meet the basketball team,
606
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:28,855
to prepare a great game
for the leader for his birthday.
607
00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:31,315
And people
will need to understand
608
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:34,698
that it was
just not important for me
609
00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:36,905
to meet him
every time I come over,
610
00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,196
because he has another greater
job to do for his country.
611
00:29:42,322 --> 00:29:44,245
So Dennis remains upbeat,
612
00:29:44,533 --> 00:29:46,080
and with the first part
of the trip
613
00:29:46,368 --> 00:29:47,995
successfully under his belt,
he arrives back in Beijing.
614
00:29:48,287 --> 00:29:51,382
But what Dennis doesn't know
is that while he's been away,
615
00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:54,965
international interest
in the game has erupted
616
00:29:55,252 --> 00:29:58,722
and the world media
is waiting for him.
617
00:29:59,006 --> 00:30:03,307
♪ Silent night ♪
618
00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:08,144
♪ holy night ♪
619
00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:12,403
♪ all is calm ♪
620
00:30:12,686 --> 00:30:16,816
♪ all is bright ♪
621
00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:21,954
♪ round yon virgin ♪
622
00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:25,867
♪ mother and child ♪
623
00:30:26,158 --> 00:30:27,410
♪ holy infant ♪
624
00:30:27,701 --> 00:30:29,374
hey, Dennis,
are you disappointed?
625
00:30:29,661 --> 00:30:32,961
Are you disappointed that
you didn't meet Kim Jong-Un?
626
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:40,598
♪ Sleep in heavenly peace ♪
627
00:30:44,426 --> 00:30:50,024
♪ sleep in heavenly peace ♪
628
00:30:53,435 --> 00:30:58,316
♪ silent night ♪
629
00:30:58,607 --> 00:31:03,113
♪ holy night ♪
630
00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:07,704
♪ all is calm ♪
631
00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:12,337
♪ all is bright ♪
632
00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:17,047
♪ round yon virgin ♪
633
00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:21,635
♪ mother and child ♪
634
00:31:21,922 --> 00:31:25,426
♪ holy infant ♪
635
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:30,814
♪ so tender and mild ♪
636
00:31:31,098 --> 00:31:36,355
♪ sleep in heavenly peace ♪
637
00:31:39,189 --> 00:31:40,589
Over the Christmas break,
638
00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:42,818
the amount of negative press
surrounding the game
639
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:44,362
mounts and mounts.
640
00:31:44,653 --> 00:31:46,781
Dennis, the focal point
of the media's anger.
641
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:49,120
And Dennis learns
that as a result,
642
00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:51,285
not everybody
will be joining him
643
00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:53,499
on the return journey
to Pyongyang
644
00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:55,539
in a fortnights time.
645
00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,973
Everything changed
before Christmas.
646
00:32:05,257 --> 00:32:09,137
Our collective view in terms of
our participation in the project
647
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:10,805
changed before Christmas.
648
00:32:11,096 --> 00:32:13,940
And that had, obviously,
to do with the purge.
649
00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:17,273
North Korea
was suddenly the subject
650
00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:20,906
of intense, intense
international scrutiny.
651
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,567
"Dramatic statement
that Kim Jong-Un"
652
00:32:23,859 --> 00:32:25,076
intends to be ruthless."
653
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,613
Fears of a new instability
in North Korea.
654
00:32:27,904 --> 00:32:30,748
Kim Jong-Un is basically telling
the elite in Pyongyang,
655
00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:33,626
"if you're disloyal to me,
you will be executed."
656
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:37,289
That made us reassess
exactly what we were doing.
657
00:32:37,581 --> 00:32:39,333
And that led us to a position
658
00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:42,047
that we were no longer
comfortable
659
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:43,962
being associated with the event.
660
00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:52,520
Paddy Power has pulled out,
661
00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:56,149
which at first glance, was seen
to be a massive blow for Dennis.
662
00:32:56,433 --> 00:32:59,061
Without them, his project would
never have got-ten off the ground.
663
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:00,713
And it would have been fun
to watch
664
00:33:00,937 --> 00:33:02,314
a self-promoting
gambling company
665
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:03,823
hanging out in a country
666
00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:05,987
where both advertising
and gambling are illegal.
667
00:33:07,903 --> 00:33:09,701
But when Dennis arrives
back in Beijing,
668
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,956
he doesn't seem too concerned.
669
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Now Paddy Power are not around,
670
00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:15,331
this is solely
the Dennis Rodman show.
671
00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:18,372
No wonder he seems upbeat
as he meets
672
00:33:18,663 --> 00:33:20,711
his fellow
American basketball players
673
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,752
who've signed up for the match.
674
00:33:24,044 --> 00:33:28,424
Cliff Robinson.
I played 18 years in the NBA.
675
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:32,060
This is an opportunity
of a lifetime for me.
676
00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:35,063
Doug Christie,
played in the NBA for 14 years,
677
00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,725
from Los Angeles
via Seattle, Washington.
678
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:41,611
Kenny Anderson.
Played 14 years in the NBA.
679
00:33:41,895 --> 00:33:45,149
Coach high school ball now
in Florida.
680
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,943
The number-one dunker
in the world...
681
00:33:49,277 --> 00:33:50,745
My name is Guy Dupree.
682
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:54,283
I'm from Paris, France,
live in fort Myers, Florida.
683
00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:57,327
I'm 26 years old,
play in the euro league.
684
00:33:57,619 --> 00:34:00,372
Vin Baker.
Played 13 years in the NBA.
685
00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:03,543
Currently finishing halfway
through my masters program
686
00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:05,710
at union seminary in New York.
687
00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:07,470
Name's Andre Pool,
688
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:10,257
also known as silk, you know,
to the street ball world.
689
00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:12,722
My name is Antoine Scott
from north Carolina.
690
00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:14,306
I graduated from wake forest.
691
00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:16,892
One key member of the squad
692
00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:20,684
is the former New York Knicks
power forward Charles Smith.
693
00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:23,104
Since leaving the NBA,
he's carved out a career
694
00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:25,318
staging exhibition games
around the world.
695
00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:29,405
We're the first U.S. team
to step on North Korea's soil
696
00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:32,788
and have a game
against their national team.
697
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:33,993
That's a fact.
698
00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:36,204
We, from this point on,
699
00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:38,459
we are going to...
everybody in this room
700
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:40,165
is going to be bonded
701
00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:45,630
for the rest of our lives
in a historical, epic event.
702
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,340
You know, anyway, guys,
it's amazing, guys.
703
00:34:48,628 --> 00:34:50,380
Thank you guys for doing this.
704
00:34:50,672 --> 00:34:52,192
You know, like I said,
it's not for me.
705
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:55,970
This is basically a game,
pretty much, for the world.
706
00:34:56,261 --> 00:34:59,140
And the one thing
that I'm very fortunate...
707
00:34:59,431 --> 00:35:01,525
I'm very fortunate in the fact
that I actually
708
00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:05,358
have an opportunity
to be in their country,
709
00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:07,773
and The Marshal
actually likes me.
710
00:35:08,064 --> 00:35:10,943
And I'm not trying to be
a politician.
711
00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:13,703
I'm not trying to be this,
you know, this world leader,
712
00:35:13,987 --> 00:35:16,615
to try to, you know, rescue
people and stuff like that.
713
00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:17,998
This is all about sports.
714
00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:19,409
This is all about sports.
715
00:35:19,701 --> 00:35:21,419
This ain't nothing else
besides that.
716
00:35:21,703 --> 00:35:24,832
And when the media asks you guys
anything -— because it's coming.
717
00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:27,421
When we go to the airport,
you're gonna see it.
718
00:35:27,709 --> 00:35:29,837
It's gonna be
a fucking motherfucker.
719
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,630
So when somebody
asks you questions,
720
00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:33,264
just keep it bland as hell.
721
00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,268
You know, "we're just going
to play a game."
722
00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:36,426
Play a game,
it's all about sports."
723
00:35:36,718 --> 00:35:38,015
Keep it natural and cool.
724
00:35:38,303 --> 00:35:40,305
They need something.
They're like vultures.
725
00:35:40,597 --> 00:35:41,689
They got to have something.
726
00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:43,691
And they're coming
to get something.
727
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:45,852
And our job
is not to give them anything.
728
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,772
♪ I gotta get out
of this place ♪
729
00:35:49,064 --> 00:35:51,988
♪ It's been dragging me down
for too long ♪
730
00:35:54,736 --> 00:35:56,989
♪ And no one said it was easy ♪
731
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,329
♪ but I gotta go thinking
on my own ♪
732
00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:04,379
♪ I'm a man with a plan ♪
733
00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:07,462
♪ and you got me
writhing inside ♪
734
00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:11,379
♪ Loaded up and ready to go ♪
735
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:13,593
♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
736
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,350
♪ If you get one chance ♪
737
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:20,012
♪ you gotta take it ♪
738
00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:24,475
♪ and if you get one shot ♪
739
00:36:24,766 --> 00:36:26,939
♪ you gotta make it ♪
740
00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:35,486
♪ ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
741
00:36:35,777 --> 00:36:38,326
- ♪ ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
- ♪ Got no time for u-turns ♪
742
00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:40,206
♪ Watching my dreams burn ♪
743
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:45,041
♪ if it all comes down
to being a clown ♪
744
00:36:45,328 --> 00:36:47,330
♪ You gotta believe me that... ♪
745
00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:49,982
So Dennis' pals are
here and for his fourth time,
746
00:36:50,125 --> 00:36:51,752
he's on a flight to Pyongyang.
747
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:55,263
On the surface, it seems like
everything is back on track...
748
00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:59,017
apart from one
very significant thing.
749
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,141
Despite Dennis
appearing to be in good spirits,
750
00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:02,349
the Christmas break
was a really stressful time.
751
00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:03,917
He got a hammering in the press,
752
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:06,057
and he was hounded
wherever he went,
753
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:08,943
which led to a number
of painful family issues.
754
00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:10,774
To cope with the added stress,
755
00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:13,485
Dennis has started drinking...
a lot.
756
00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:17,152
He's battled alcoholism
for much of his adult life,
757
00:37:17,444 --> 00:37:19,367
and with the game
just a couple of days away,
758
00:37:19,654 --> 00:37:23,454
it's not the best of times
to be falling off the wagon.
759
00:37:24,826 --> 00:37:26,578
Aw, come on!
760
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:34,965
♪Ooh♪
761
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:39,759
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
762
00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:42,097
♪ been running away
for so long ♪
763
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:45,264
♪ that I don't know
where I'm going to ♪
764
00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:50,060
♪ Don't look back anymore ♪
765
00:37:50,351 --> 00:37:53,275
♪ 'cause some day
I'm gonna find the truth ♪
766
00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:56,028
We got to go.
We got to go.
767
00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:57,693
♪ I'm a man with a plan ♪
768
00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:00,157
♪ and you got me
writhing inside ♪
769
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,824
♪ loaded up and ready to go ♪
770
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:06,413
♪ yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
771
00:38:06,701 --> 00:38:09,170
♪ If you get one chance ♪
772
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,456
♪ you gotta take it ♪
773
00:38:13,583 --> 00:38:17,213
♪ and if you get one shot ♪
774
00:38:17,504 --> 00:38:18,596
♪ you gotta make it ♪
775
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,384
New York City, North Korea!
776
00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:24,302
This is wild!
777
00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:26,221
♪ If you get one chance ♪
778
00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:31,564
♪ if you get one shot ♪
779
00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:34,946
The American team makes a
short stop-off at the Koryo hotel.
780
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,608
So what are the first thoughts?
781
00:38:37,899 --> 00:38:39,099
Excited for the next two days.
782
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,160
Go to a nice dinner tonight.
783
00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:43,867
And we're really enjoying it so far.
Having a great time.
784
00:38:46,074 --> 00:38:47,417
I guess it's a culture shock
in a lot of ways.
785
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,748
This is something
that we haven't experienced.
786
00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:51,538
I mean, I haven't personally.
787
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:55,209
I've been to a few countries,
but this one is different.
788
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,253
So tonight will be
an interesting experience
789
00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:00,092
to see dinner.
790
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:04,977
Obviously,
Dennis will be entertaining.
791
00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:08,767
As Doug mentions, they're off
792
00:39:09,055 --> 00:39:11,683
to a fancy gala dinner that's
been held in the players' honor.
793
00:39:11,975 --> 00:39:13,943
In attendance, a number
of important dignitaries
794
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:18,824
and personal friends
of Kim Jong-Un.
795
00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:20,324
Hey, guys.
796
00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:21,780
Hey, guys.
797
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:24,696
Lookit...
all this shit.
798
00:39:28,658 --> 00:39:31,377
Dennis, who has continued
drinking since the flight,
799
00:39:31,661 --> 00:39:33,629
gets things off
to an interesting start
800
00:39:33,913 --> 00:39:36,291
by holding
the sports ministers hand
801
00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:38,631
as they walk into the room.
802
00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:51,686
I would like to express
my thanks to Mr. Dennis Rodman
803
00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:53,316
for a civil visit
to our country.
804
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,774
The resplendent Marshal,
Kim Jong-Un,
805
00:39:57,061 --> 00:39:58,187
has paid a deep attention
806
00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:01,198
to the visit of Mr. Rodman
and his group.
807
00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:03,405
I propose a toast.
808
00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:08,160
After a warm welcome
from the North Koreans,
809
00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:11,577
it's now time for Dennis,
as the guest of honor,
810
00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:13,415
to deliver
his own momentous speech.
811
00:40:16,873 --> 00:40:18,125
I just want to thank...
812
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:19,542
♪ in the Navy ♪
813
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:25,636
I'm so sorry.
Anyway, um...
814
00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:29,724
I want to thank all my guys
here from America,
815
00:40:30,011 --> 00:40:32,855
former NBA players,
for coming here.
816
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:37,645
It's very... it's an honor
to do what we're doing.
817
00:40:50,657 --> 00:40:52,177
Oh, here we go again
with the toasting.
818
00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:54,035
God damn it,
you got to toast, guys.
819
00:40:54,327 --> 00:40:57,080
Got to toast.
It's every two minutes.
820
00:40:57,372 --> 00:40:58,749
I told you,
it's every two minutes.
821
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:05,847
Jesus Christ!
822
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,267
Hey, vin Baker,
you want to talk?
823
00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:14,306
This is a tremendous opportunity
for us, as former NBA players,
824
00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:17,100
to bring basketball here
to your country.
825
00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:19,315
And we really appreciate
the opportunity.
826
00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:21,775
And we hope that this
is something special
827
00:41:22,063 --> 00:41:23,280
that will last a lifetime
828
00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:25,316
for you and your families
as well.
829
00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:29,909
So whatever we've heard about
North Korea is in the past.
830
00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:32,699
We are here
for our eyes to see.
831
00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:36,165
We are here
because we wanted to be here.
832
00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:38,921
We are here at your invitation.
833
00:41:39,205 --> 00:41:43,176
And we are looking very forward
to playing the match
834
00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:46,258
against the North Korea
senior team,
835
00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:49,846
and I think it's gonna be
great entertainment.
836
00:41:57,306 --> 00:41:58,853
Hey, bill, you do it!
837
00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:02,816
Yeah, I know.
838
00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:05,573
All right.
839
00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:14,874
Now that the formalities
840
00:42:15,158 --> 00:42:16,956
are out of the way,
the night can begin,
841
00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:20,042
with Dennis, as ever,
the life and soul of the party.
842
00:42:26,044 --> 00:42:29,514
Hey, guys, watch this bullshit!
843
00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:31,049
Ah!
844
00:42:33,259 --> 00:42:35,011
Here we go, here we go,
here we go!
845
00:42:35,303 --> 00:42:36,054
Watch this.
846
00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:10,047
Ah!
847
00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:15,472
Here's one.
Fuck it.
848
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,354
♪ I ain't had no santeria ♪
849
00:43:18,638 --> 00:43:21,107
♪ I ain't have no crystal ball ♪
850
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:25,691
♪ I had a million dollars
and I... ♪
851
00:43:25,978 --> 00:43:29,107
Okay. There you go.
I'm sorry about this.
852
00:43:30,483 --> 00:43:33,282
♪ I live... ♪
853
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:36,869
♪ The life that's full ♪
854
00:43:37,156 --> 00:43:39,204
♪ too full ♪
855
00:43:39,492 --> 00:43:41,460
♪ too full to mention ♪
856
00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:43,917
yeah, oh, my God!
857
00:43:49,919 --> 00:43:52,798
Dennis gets more
unruly as the evening wears on,
858
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:55,137
but no one seems
particularly concerned,
859
00:43:55,424 --> 00:43:57,301
not even the North Korean
dignitaries.
860
00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:01,209
Just ask for any
liquor you want,
861
00:44:01,264 --> 00:44:03,107
they'll bring a bottle
over here.
862
00:44:03,391 --> 00:44:05,393
But that all changes when
Dennis gets into a conversation
863
00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:07,312
with Matt Cooper,
an Irish journalist
864
00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:08,980
traveling with the group
865
00:44:09,272 --> 00:44:11,113
who intends to write a book
about Dennis' trip.
866
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,776
Dennis knew
all about Cooper's plans,
867
00:44:13,067 --> 00:44:14,694
but all of a sudden,
he's not happy.
868
00:44:14,986 --> 00:44:17,535
No, no, walk!
869
00:44:17,822 --> 00:44:19,950
Why?
870
00:44:20,241 --> 00:44:22,164
And because what?
871
00:44:22,451 --> 00:44:24,545
Are you banking on something?
872
00:44:26,581 --> 00:44:29,175
Do I need you?
Oh, hell no!
873
00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:31,005
Write your book now, sissy!
874
00:44:31,294 --> 00:44:33,046
Know everything, right?
875
00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:36,682
Let him tell you
what's really going on.
876
00:44:36,966 --> 00:44:41,142
No book!
No book!
877
00:44:49,896 --> 00:44:51,614
Over a book about North Korea?
878
00:44:51,898 --> 00:44:54,947
Show me North Korea!
879
00:44:56,694 --> 00:44:59,493
Show me! Show me!
880
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:01,157
Show me!
881
00:45:05,203 --> 00:45:06,295
Show me!
882
00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:11,796
Hate this shit!
883
00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:15,713
No!
884
00:45:16,005 --> 00:45:18,804
It ain't about the money!
885
00:45:19,091 --> 00:45:21,685
It's do one thing...
trying to help people!
886
00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:23,562
That's it!
887
00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:26,599
The atmosphere in the
room ls painful for everyone,
888
00:45:26,891 --> 00:45:29,314
and despite it being all smiles
at the end of the night,
889
00:45:29,602 --> 00:45:34,278
what will Kim Jong-Un think
when word gets back to him?
890
00:45:34,565 --> 00:45:36,033
Stupid ass.
891
00:45:54,835 --> 00:45:57,554
So the next morning,
it's back to business,
892
00:45:57,838 --> 00:46:00,136
and Dennis is on his way
to the stadium
893
00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:03,177
to run a joint training session
with both the American
894
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,471
and North Korean
basketball teams.
895
00:46:24,657 --> 00:46:26,751
It's a momentous occasion
896
00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:29,034
as it's the first time
that the two sides have met.
897
00:46:29,203 --> 00:46:32,207
And the session is their only
chance to size each other up
898
00:46:32,498 --> 00:46:33,841
before tomorrow's big game.
899
00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:35,126
But even though
it's only 10:00 A.M.,
900
00:46:35,418 --> 00:46:37,295
Dennis has already
started drinking.
901
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:40,681
That's bad ass vodka.
Shit.
902
00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:45,471
Oh, hey.
Who the fuck is with me?
903
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:51,434
But the show must go on.
904
00:46:51,726 --> 00:46:52,648
Watch this.
905
00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:56,439
Oh, yeah!
906
00:46:56,731 --> 00:46:58,529
Are you ready?
Are you ready?
907
00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:00,736
Hey, guy, I got plenty
of that bullshit. Come on.
908
00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:02,699
For all his enthusiasm,
909
00:47:02,987 --> 00:47:05,740
Dennis isn't in the ideal
condition to lead the drills.
910
00:47:06,032 --> 00:47:08,376
Come on, guys, come on.
Damn.
911
00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:10,081
Come on, guys.
912
00:47:15,875 --> 00:47:16,717
Yeah!
913
00:47:17,001 --> 00:47:19,720
Charles Smith,
914
00:47:20,004 --> 00:47:22,132
who runs basketball courses
all over the world,
915
00:47:22,423 --> 00:47:24,175
is quick to step in
and take charge.
916
00:47:26,677 --> 00:47:28,805
Good, good.
Good job.
917
00:47:29,096 --> 00:47:32,191
Now you're gonna come across
918
00:47:32,475 --> 00:47:34,318
and you have to read
the defense.
919
00:47:34,602 --> 00:47:36,024
Okay?
920
00:47:36,312 --> 00:47:38,656
Before you catch the ball,
tell him to read the defense.
921
00:47:38,939 --> 00:47:40,566
He's got to know
where the defender is.
922
00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:42,576
I just want him to jump.
923
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:44,612
Not like this.
924
00:47:44,904 --> 00:47:47,578
You want them to jump up.
925
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:48,866
Jump.
926
00:47:49,158 --> 00:47:54,335
Good, good.
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
927
00:47:54,622 --> 00:47:55,464
Yes, good job.
928
00:47:55,748 --> 00:47:58,297
Hey, hey, hey.
Good job. Good job.
929
00:47:58,584 --> 00:48:00,336
You ready?
Come on, guys, come on.
930
00:48:00,628 --> 00:48:03,131
Come on, play, play, play!
Come on, go, go, go, go!
931
00:48:03,422 --> 00:48:04,548
Come on, play!
932
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,040
No, we're not playing, Dennis,
933
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,268
we're trying to show 'em
what to do.
934
00:48:08,552 --> 00:48:10,520
We're trying to show 'em
what to do.
935
00:48:10,805 --> 00:48:12,227
He don't know what to do.
936
00:48:12,515 --> 00:48:15,234
All right.
All right, fuck it.
937
00:48:15,518 --> 00:48:16,895
I don't know shit.
938
00:48:17,186 --> 00:48:18,813
I'm trying.
939
00:48:19,105 --> 00:48:21,699
Hey, just play.
What, boom!
940
00:48:21,982 --> 00:48:23,450
Oh!
941
00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:25,577
Look at the side.
Half court.
942
00:48:27,196 --> 00:48:29,324
Oh, oh!
943
00:48:29,615 --> 00:48:31,975
It's sad to see Dennis
playing such a minor role.
944
00:48:32,201 --> 00:48:33,881
After all,
he picked this North Korean team
945
00:48:34,161 --> 00:48:35,378
just a few weeks ago.
946
00:48:35,663 --> 00:48:37,711
Is that simple shit,
or is that simple shit?
947
00:48:37,998 --> 00:48:39,250
Simple.
948
00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:41,044
They're a talented bunch,
949
00:48:41,335 --> 00:48:43,804
and it's possible that Charles
and the other U.S. players
950
00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,466
are underestimating them, something
Dennis might have been able to tell them,
951
00:48:46,757 --> 00:48:48,118
but right now,
he's a bit too drunk
952
00:48:48,175 --> 00:48:49,552
to be much use to anybody.
953
00:48:49,844 --> 00:48:53,519
Dennis is unpredictable,
especially when he had a few.
954
00:48:53,806 --> 00:48:56,650
But at the end of the day,
like I said,
955
00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:58,356
Dennis is a great guy.
956
00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:03,024
In my mind,
a guy who has a big heart
957
00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:05,363
and only wants to try to do
the best.
958
00:49:05,651 --> 00:49:07,244
So what do you think
about the...
959
00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,405
he don't understand
what the fuck saying.
960
00:49:09,697 --> 00:49:12,325
Switch, switch!
961
00:49:12,616 --> 00:49:15,870
Tell 'em to switch!
962
00:49:16,162 --> 00:49:17,630
♪ Whats gong on ♪
963
00:49:17,913 --> 00:49:18,914
oh, okay.
964
00:49:19,206 --> 00:49:20,924
As the session winds down,
965
00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:23,757
what do the North Koreans think
about the upcoming game?
966
00:49:24,044 --> 00:49:26,718
The match to be held tomorrow
967
00:49:27,006 --> 00:49:30,101
will be a good opportunity
to exchange and to learn
968
00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:32,853
each other
in the field of basketball.
969
00:49:33,137 --> 00:49:36,061
We think that
it's the most important thing
970
00:49:36,348 --> 00:49:39,773
to learn each other
and to exchange the experience.
971
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:42,108
It is a good opportunity for us
972
00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:45,070
to exchange
and to learn each other.
973
00:49:45,357 --> 00:49:46,574
It almost seems
974
00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:49,157
as though they've been told
what to say.
975
00:49:49,445 --> 00:49:51,664
But not everybody
is toeing the line.
976
00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:02,633
So thank you.
977
00:50:08,672 --> 00:50:12,097
You got to do one thing.
978
00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,233
Bow.
979
00:50:19,517 --> 00:50:21,235
All right, all right.
980
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,521
The U.S. players
head back to the hotel
981
00:50:23,812 --> 00:50:25,064
for a spot of relaxation,
982
00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:27,324
but some worrying news
awaits them.
983
00:50:27,608 --> 00:50:28,734
A number of players
had been left messages
984
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:30,706
by their sponsors
back in the United States
985
00:50:30,903 --> 00:50:34,282
who are threatening to drop them
if they take part in the game.
986
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:36,951
Understandably,
the camp becomes unsettled,
987
00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:39,666
and, suddenly, there's talk
of pulling out...
988
00:50:39,954 --> 00:50:41,046
just a day before the game.
989
00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:42,923
Again, Charles Smith
takes charge
990
00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:46,336
and crisis talks are held
behind closed doors.
991
00:50:46,627 --> 00:50:48,504
Okay.
992
00:50:48,796 --> 00:50:50,357
When the player re-emerge,
it's revealed
993
00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:51,966
that Smith has organized
an exclusive interview
994
00:50:52,258 --> 00:50:54,386
with the news network CNN.
995
00:50:54,677 --> 00:50:57,100
The players hope it will give them a
chance to tell their side of the story
996
00:50:57,388 --> 00:51:00,437
and calm the situation
with their sponsors back home.
997
00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:04,103
Smith gets busy working through
a list of CNN's questions
998
00:51:04,395 --> 00:51:07,319
to make sure the players all
sing from the same hymn sheet.
999
00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:09,825
These are
professional basketball alumni.
1000
00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:12,362
In the letter,
we got to mention the Olympics.
1001
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:14,530
'Cause that was
part of the assurance.
1002
00:51:14,822 --> 00:51:16,620
Dennis, on the other hand,
1003
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:19,786
who has been relaxing with
a few more drinks in his room,
1004
00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:22,171
has only just found out
what's going on.
1005
00:51:22,454 --> 00:51:23,455
Come on!
1006
00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:25,499
We expect it to be
a capacity crowd
1007
00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:28,294
because it's been capacity crowd
everywhere we go.
1008
00:51:28,586 --> 00:51:29,838
- Okay.
- That's the answer.
1009
00:51:34,008 --> 00:51:35,476
What is this?
1010
00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:37,159
We're just going over
the questions.
1011
00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:38,641
Going over all the questions?
1012
00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:42,058
Dennis, we're just going over
all the questions today.
1013
00:51:44,685 --> 00:51:45,937
Are we on the same page?
1014
00:51:46,228 --> 00:51:47,775
Yeah, we're getting
on the same page.
1015
00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:49,360
- Almost there.
- Okay, fuck it.
1016
00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:51,696
Floyd, are you staying with us
or are you going?
1017
00:51:51,984 --> 00:51:52,951
Are you leaving?
1018
00:51:53,235 --> 00:51:55,329
Let's finish this
1019
00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:58,162
so that we can, you know,
deal with that.
1020
00:51:58,449 --> 00:52:01,123
Dennis doesn't stick
around to go through the questions.
1021
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:03,003
Instead, he waits outside,
frustrated
1022
00:52:03,287 --> 00:52:05,335
and maybe
just a little bit jealous
1023
00:52:05,623 --> 00:52:07,796
of Charles Smith's
growing influence.
1024
00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:10,427
All the players can say
their piece to everything.
1025
00:52:10,711 --> 00:52:12,338
And then in the...
1026
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:13,381
he threw a glass.
1027
00:52:13,672 --> 00:52:15,970
And then outside of...
1028
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:18,135
Outside of the...
1029
00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:21,146
He might be in a strop,
1030
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:24,684
but Dennis is still
the face of the trip,
1031
00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:26,227
and Charles knows they need
to keep him on side.
1032
00:52:26,518 --> 00:52:28,486
When we finish,
we all get with him,
1033
00:52:28,771 --> 00:52:29,693
say thank you.
1034
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:31,323
We got to make him feel good.
1035
00:52:31,607 --> 00:52:32,403
All right, guys?
1036
00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:34,659
Me of all people
1037
00:52:34,943 --> 00:52:38,914
is trying to change something
around the world.
1038
00:52:39,198 --> 00:52:43,749
And the one thing I like to do
is, like, help people.
1039
00:52:44,036 --> 00:52:46,414
And, finally, it's paying off.
1040
00:52:46,705 --> 00:52:50,130
After all these trying years.
1041
00:52:50,417 --> 00:52:52,097
Okay, there should be
somebody called Chris
1042
00:52:52,378 --> 00:52:53,418
coming to talk to you soon
1043
00:52:53,629 --> 00:52:54,596
on that IFB in your ear,
1044
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,302
and you'll have one
for your ear.
1045
00:52:56,590 --> 00:52:57,967
And I'll put this on the side.
1046
00:52:58,258 --> 00:52:59,179
And try to tuck this...
1047
00:52:59,385 --> 00:53:01,513
We're live.
1048
00:53:01,804 --> 00:53:04,683
Are you in this?
1049
00:53:04,973 --> 00:53:10,195
We received a letter from
the D.P.R.K. Olympic committee,
1050
00:53:10,479 --> 00:53:13,779
an invitation to do this game.
1051
00:53:14,066 --> 00:53:16,444
This isn't about Dennis.
1052
00:53:16,735 --> 00:53:20,410
We're here specifically to put
smiles on people's faces,
1053
00:53:20,698 --> 00:53:23,998
everlasting memories
in the minds of individuals,
1054
00:53:24,284 --> 00:53:27,288
and, hopefully,
with the good work that we do,
1055
00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:30,082
we give to charity
while we're here.
1056
00:53:30,374 --> 00:53:33,503
So, please, don't continue
to put politics into that.
1057
00:53:33,794 --> 00:53:35,796
This is not
what we're here for.
1058
00:53:36,088 --> 00:53:38,216
I get it, Charles.
I get it.
1059
00:53:38,507 --> 00:53:42,137
I get why you're there. The problem is
it's more complicated than basketball.
1060
00:53:42,428 --> 00:53:43,975
It just is,
1061
00:53:44,263 --> 00:53:46,732
it's more complicated than
basketball, fellas, I'm sorry.
1062
00:53:47,015 --> 00:53:48,688
But you say, you know what,
you say...
1063
00:53:48,976 --> 00:53:51,604
you say it's more complicated
than basketball.
1064
00:53:51,895 --> 00:53:55,695
Basketball is not complicated
to us, and that's what we do.
1065
00:53:55,983 --> 00:53:59,032
The game has been presented
as a birthday present
1066
00:53:59,319 --> 00:54:00,366
to the ruler.
1067
00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:02,054
I'm not here to fight
with you guys.
1068
00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:03,494
I respect what you're doing.
1069
00:54:03,782 --> 00:54:06,331
I'm just concerned
for the family of this man
1070
00:54:06,618 --> 00:54:07,835
who is held there,
1071
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,043
and I am concerned,
as many Americans are,
1072
00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:11,832
about giving a birthday present
1073
00:54:12,124 --> 00:54:14,001
to a man who is seen
as a despot,
1074
00:54:14,293 --> 00:54:16,045
who just had his Uncle
executed.
1075
00:54:16,336 --> 00:54:19,306
- I'll - I'll do it.
- Dennis, you understand the issue.
1076
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:21,670
It's not about hating on
American basketball players.
1077
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,518
Yeah, but you can...
you can...
1078
00:54:23,802 --> 00:54:27,181
we're not... again, we're not
here to deal with the politics.
1079
00:54:27,473 --> 00:54:29,896
The date of the game
is the date of the game.
1080
00:54:30,184 --> 00:54:31,982
The interview
is nearly over,
1081
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:33,896
and Charles
has skillfully navigated
1082
00:54:34,188 --> 00:54:35,656
every question on CNN's list.
1083
00:54:35,939 --> 00:54:38,283
But at the last moment,
the interviewer lobs
1084
00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:39,693
a potentially dangerous
1085
00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:41,612
unscripted question
into the mix.
1086
00:54:41,904 --> 00:54:43,406
Dennis, let me end on this.
1087
00:54:43,697 --> 00:54:45,995
- You do have a relationship with this man.
- Yes.
1088
00:54:46,283 --> 00:54:49,082
Are you going to take
an opportunity, if you get it,
1089
00:54:49,369 --> 00:54:50,416
to speak up for the family
of Kenneth Bae?
1090
00:54:50,704 --> 00:54:52,172
Will you take the opportunity?
1091
00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:53,708
Watch this.
1092
00:54:53,999 --> 00:54:57,549
If you understand
what Kenneth Bae did,
1093
00:54:57,836 --> 00:54:59,804
you understand what he did
in this country.
1094
00:55:00,088 --> 00:55:01,431
What did he do, you tell me?
1095
00:55:01,715 --> 00:55:03,058
You tell me.
What did he do?
1096
00:55:03,342 --> 00:55:05,515
No, no, no, you tell me!
You tell me!
1097
00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:07,771
Why is held captive
in this country? Why?
1098
00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:09,648
They haven't released
any charges.
1099
00:55:09,932 --> 00:55:11,559
They haven't released
any reason.
1100
00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:14,778
- Listen...
- No, let me do it.
1101
00:55:15,062 --> 00:55:17,190
I would love to speak on this.
1102
00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:18,323
Go ahead.
1103
00:55:18,607 --> 00:55:20,280
You know, you got...
1104
00:55:20,567 --> 00:55:24,413
okay, you got 10 guys here...
1105
00:55:24,696 --> 00:55:27,449
that left their families,
left their damn families
1106
00:55:27,741 --> 00:55:31,917
to help this country
that's in the sports venture.
1107
00:55:32,204 --> 00:55:35,378
Got 10 guys...
all these guys here,
1108
00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:38,169
does anyone understand that?
1109
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:41,134
- We do, and we appreciate that, and we wish them well...
- Christmas, New Year's
1110
00:55:41,421 --> 00:55:42,621
with the cultural exchange.
1111
00:55:42,631 --> 00:55:43,791
No, no, no!
I'm just saying...
1112
00:55:44,049 --> 00:55:45,529
no, I don't give a
what the...
1113
00:55:45,592 --> 00:55:47,512
I don't give a rat's ass
what the hell you think!
1114
00:55:47,636 --> 00:55:50,185
I'm saying to you,
look at these guys here!
1115
00:55:50,472 --> 00:55:51,598
Look at 'em!
1116
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:53,451
Yeah, but, Dennis,
don't put it on them.
1117
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,943
Don't use them as an excuse
1118
00:55:55,227 --> 00:55:56,319
for the behavior
that you're putting on yourself.
1119
00:55:56,603 --> 00:55:57,855
They came here!
They came here!
1120
00:55:58,146 --> 00:55:59,346
You just basically were saying
1121
00:55:59,606 --> 00:56:01,108
that Kenneth Bae
did something wrong.
1122
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,993
We don't even know
what the charges are.
1123
00:56:03,277 --> 00:56:06,406
Don't use these guys
as a shield for you, Dennis.
1124
00:56:06,697 --> 00:56:07,619
Listen, listen,
1125
00:56:07,906 --> 00:56:08,998
listen, listen, listen.
1126
00:56:09,283 --> 00:56:10,250
Ain't no shield!
1127
00:56:10,534 --> 00:56:11,831
I got a guy...
let me do this!
1128
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:14,542
Really, really,
I want to tell you one thing.
1129
00:56:14,830 --> 00:56:18,084
People around the world...
around the world...
1130
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:19,843
I'm gonna do one thing.
1131
00:56:20,127 --> 00:56:23,552
You're a guy
behind the Mike right now,
1132
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:27,059
we're the guys here
doing one thing.
1133
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:31,722
We're have to go back to America
and take the abuse.
1134
00:56:32,014 --> 00:56:35,063
Do you have to take the abuse
we're gonna take?
1135
00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:38,570
Do you, sir?
Let me know!
1136
00:56:38,854 --> 00:56:41,482
Are you gonna take the abuse
we're gonna get?
1137
00:56:41,773 --> 00:56:43,821
But, guess what, though.
One day...
1138
00:56:44,109 --> 00:56:45,656
One day...
1139
00:56:45,944 --> 00:56:49,244
This door is gonna open
1140
00:56:49,531 --> 00:56:53,001
because these guys here,
1141
00:56:53,285 --> 00:56:55,083
all of us...
1142
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:57,088
I mean, everybody here,
1143
00:56:57,372 --> 00:57:00,376
if we could just open the door
just a little bit.
1144
00:57:00,667 --> 00:57:02,590
The key is, you can bait
Dennis or any of us
1145
00:57:02,878 --> 00:57:05,301
into a political conversation,
and it can get emotional.
1146
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:08,183
No, Charles,
that's not my intention.
1147
00:57:08,467 --> 00:57:10,561
Charles, it's not my intention,
it really isn't.
1148
00:57:10,844 --> 00:57:11,845
- Let me finish.
- It really isn't.
1149
00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:13,605
- But let me finish.
- Please.
1150
00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:16,608
We're not here to talk politics,
so outside of that,
1151
00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:19,111
any questions
that come back through that
1152
00:57:19,394 --> 00:57:21,317
is baiting to get us
into politics,
1153
00:57:21,605 --> 00:57:23,448
and that's not
what we're here for.
1154
00:57:23,732 --> 00:57:25,860
Every man sitting here
understands that.
1155
00:57:26,151 --> 00:57:27,949
Charles,
I understand it as well.
1156
00:57:28,236 --> 00:57:30,116
I wish you good luck
with the cultural exchange,
1157
00:57:30,197 --> 00:57:31,798
but you know the issues
that are at play.
1158
00:57:32,032 --> 00:57:33,249
Good luck with the game.
1159
00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:34,580
I hope it has the results
that you want it to,
1160
00:57:34,868 --> 00:57:36,245
and I wish you
a safe trip home.
1161
00:57:36,536 --> 00:57:38,083
Thank you for joining us
this morning.
1162
00:57:38,372 --> 00:57:39,669
You guys can get un-miked.
1163
00:57:39,957 --> 00:57:40,879
All right.
That's good.
1164
00:57:43,126 --> 00:57:46,426
By getting lured into
a discussion about Kenneth Bae,
1165
00:57:46,713 --> 00:57:49,216
Dennis may have sabotaged
Charles' attempt
1166
00:57:49,508 --> 00:57:51,977
to paint the trip
as a cultural sporting exchange.
1167
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,558
Worried about the effect
the outburst might have
1168
00:57:54,846 --> 00:57:56,314
on their public image back home,
1169
00:57:56,598 --> 00:57:58,521
the players hold
yet more crisis talks.
1170
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:02,439
But that's not...
we got to really toe the line.
1171
00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:04,982
Stay on the same page
every step of the way.
1172
00:58:05,273 --> 00:58:06,445
Oh, my God.
1173
00:58:06,733 --> 00:58:08,334
And, Dennis, listen,
it's not about that.
1174
00:58:08,402 --> 00:58:10,575
I don't understand
why they don't give a shit
1175
00:58:10,862 --> 00:58:12,455
- about it, Charles!
- But, listen.
1176
00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:15,538
This ain't the fucking NBA.
You say, "oh, okay, really?"
1177
00:58:15,826 --> 00:58:17,123
No, no, no, no. No.
You're missing the point.
1178
00:58:17,411 --> 00:58:18,913
I'm missing the point?
Why the fuck are you here?
1179
00:58:19,204 --> 00:58:21,423
That's not...
we got that, we're past that.
1180
00:58:21,707 --> 00:58:23,334
We're at a juncture right now.
1181
00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:25,002
We're at a certain junction,
1182
00:58:25,293 --> 00:58:27,011
a certain crossroads
that we have...
1183
00:58:27,295 --> 00:58:28,592
who the fuck hired this guy?
1184
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,097
Really, Charles?
Really?
1185
00:58:30,382 --> 00:58:32,305
You're the same
fucking dickhead guy...
1186
00:58:32,592 --> 00:58:33,764
I don't give a rat's ass...
1187
00:58:34,052 --> 00:58:36,100
no, I'm so sorry.
No, no, watch this, no.
1188
00:58:36,388 --> 00:58:38,686
It ain't about me drinking...
nothing like that.
1189
00:58:38,974 --> 00:58:40,351
I'm not talking about that.
1190
00:58:40,642 --> 00:58:41,985
I'm talking about one thing,
1191
00:58:42,269 --> 00:58:44,021
how we address the media
moving forward.
1192
00:58:44,312 --> 00:58:46,485
That's it.
1193
00:58:46,773 --> 00:58:48,025
We?
1194
00:58:48,316 --> 00:58:50,489
We want you to agree
to stay away from answering
1195
00:58:50,777 --> 00:58:53,075
or getting down the road
with political questions.
1196
00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:55,286
- That's it.
- Charles, guess what.
1197
00:58:55,574 --> 00:58:57,417
Am I right, guys?
Am I right?
1198
00:58:57,701 --> 00:59:00,500
That's it, that's it.
It's simple. That's it.
1199
00:59:00,787 --> 00:59:04,132
- So, Charles, have you ever heard me...
- You just did.
1200
00:59:04,416 --> 00:59:05,977
- No, no, no.
- Stay away from politics.
1201
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:09,088
And stick to what we're doing,
which is playing basketball,
1202
00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:10,722
from this point on.
1203
00:59:11,006 --> 00:59:12,599
We're all in agreement?
1204
00:59:12,883 --> 00:59:14,476
All right, Oscar.
1205
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,103
Pyongyang!
1206
00:59:16,386 --> 00:59:18,809
Despite Charles
and Dennis' show of unity,
1207
00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:20,599
the players are still concerned
1208
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:23,144
about what the reaction
to the interview will be.
1209
00:59:23,435 --> 00:59:25,984
And the question
still stands...
1210
00:59:26,271 --> 00:59:28,990
are they going to play
or pull out?
1211
00:59:29,274 --> 00:59:30,821
That's why he brought it up.
1212
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:32,486
Did he bring it up first?
1213
00:59:32,778 --> 00:59:35,138
He brought it up to the sports
minister about whether or not
1214
00:59:35,322 --> 00:59:36,699
we should still
go through with it.
1215
00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:38,390
Their translator
came up to me.
1216
00:59:38,492 --> 00:59:40,039
Like, he said,
"is there an issue?"
1217
00:59:40,327 --> 00:59:41,749
And I'll just say,
"no, you know."
1218
00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:43,789
I said, "look, you know,
they, you know",
1219
00:59:44,081 --> 00:59:45,833
they're hearing it,
obviously, back home."
1220
00:59:46,124 --> 00:59:50,174
I don't have a feeling on it,
because I'm dealing with...
1221
00:59:50,462 --> 00:59:54,433
12, 13 other guys.
1222
00:59:54,716 --> 00:59:56,559
So my opinion only matters
1223
00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:59,847
after we get a general consensus
by committee.
1224
01:00:00,138 --> 01:00:02,482
Well, it's not anything
to work out,
1225
01:00:02,766 --> 01:00:05,189
it's just to find out
how guys feel.
1226
01:00:05,477 --> 01:00:06,979
We got to see, you know,
1227
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:10,069
if our guys are feeling
what's going on.
1228
01:00:10,357 --> 01:00:12,485
It's very important.
I mean...
1229
01:00:12,776 --> 01:00:16,121
You know, our country
is our country.
1230
01:00:16,404 --> 01:00:17,496
- Yes.
- Vodka and soda.
1231
01:00:17,781 --> 01:00:18,532
Sodas?
1232
01:00:18,824 --> 01:00:19,916
Vodka, vodka.
1233
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,076
Vodka.
1234
01:00:21,368 --> 01:00:22,745
A couple of hours later,
1235
01:00:23,036 --> 01:00:24,834
with the game still hanging
in the balance,
1236
01:00:25,122 --> 01:00:26,669
Doug and Charles
manage to get access
1237
01:00:26,957 --> 01:00:28,959
to the hotel's closely guarded
Internet service,
1238
01:00:29,251 --> 01:00:30,753
and they find
the interview online.
1239
01:00:31,044 --> 01:00:34,389
What would they think now
that the dust had settled?
1240
01:00:34,673 --> 01:00:38,018
It has a different context
when you see it, Charles.
1241
01:00:38,301 --> 01:00:40,021
- Yeah, it does. It wasn't bad.
- It wasn't.
1242
01:00:40,178 --> 01:00:42,101
Other than
the Kenneth Bae thing,
1243
01:00:42,389 --> 01:00:43,686
his emotion
at the very beginning
1244
01:00:43,974 --> 01:00:45,535
and what he said after that
was spot-on.
1245
01:00:45,809 --> 01:00:47,311
- It was. 'Cause it came across.
- It was good.
1246
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:50,481
That he's feeling hurt
about what's going on.
1247
01:00:50,772 --> 01:00:51,989
Yeah, right.
1248
01:00:52,274 --> 01:00:53,992
Yeah, but sitting up there,
it didn't...
1249
01:00:54,276 --> 01:00:56,119
man, I wish Vin and them
would have came,
1250
01:00:56,403 --> 01:00:58,576
'cause they were feeling
what we were feeling...
1251
01:00:58,864 --> 01:01:00,491
to see it.
1252
01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:04,662
Thanks, guys.
1253
01:01:04,953 --> 01:01:07,581
After this, I hope they're
not ostracizing us
1254
01:01:07,873 --> 01:01:09,921
as much as they were
prior to that.
1255
01:01:10,208 --> 01:01:11,300
Right, right, yeah.
1256
01:01:11,585 --> 01:01:12,552
It's a possibility.
You know that.
1257
01:01:12,836 --> 01:01:14,053
Yeah.
1258
01:01:14,337 --> 01:01:17,637
But that was...
overall, I give it a "B"
1259
01:01:17,924 --> 01:01:20,052
- Yeah, which is...
- a "B"
1260
01:01:20,343 --> 01:01:21,845
I was, like, an "F"
1261
01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:23,263
"D" minus, "F"
1262
01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:25,523
"good lord,
we're in trouble."
1263
01:01:25,807 --> 01:01:27,150
I was like, "oh, shit!"
1264
01:01:27,434 --> 01:01:29,687
It doesn't look like
how it felt sitting here.
1265
01:01:29,978 --> 01:01:31,730
Oh, okay.
It wasn't that bad?
1266
01:01:32,022 --> 01:01:34,275
No, they showed
the whole entire thing.
1267
01:01:34,566 --> 01:01:37,615
But the thing with Dennis,
we were all sitting there.
1268
01:01:37,903 --> 01:01:38,825
Yeah.
1269
01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:40,580
So we got caught up in him.
1270
01:01:40,864 --> 01:01:43,834
But when you look at the thing
and how they pan it and shot it,
1271
01:01:44,117 --> 01:01:47,041
the only thing he did
is go back and forth with Bae.
1272
01:01:47,329 --> 01:01:49,423
But his other stuff,
it was actually very good.
1273
01:01:52,834 --> 01:01:54,051
Word spreads
to the other players.
1274
01:01:54,336 --> 01:01:56,555
They get together
for more discussion,
1275
01:01:56,838 --> 01:01:58,135
and at the 11th hour,
1276
01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:01,518
they finally decide to stay
and prepare for match day.
1277
01:02:01,801 --> 01:02:03,348
The game is on.
1278
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:55,272
So structured.
1279
01:02:55,563 --> 01:02:59,113
Let's go play
against the North Koreans.
1280
01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:07,743
As the players
make their way to the court,
1281
01:03:08,034 --> 01:03:10,253
there's a buzz of activity
in the corridors,
1282
01:03:10,537 --> 01:03:12,665
and there's only
one explanation...
1283
01:03:12,956 --> 01:03:15,334
The Marshal,
Kim Jong-Un, has arrived.
1284
01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:55,269
Standing in the tunnel and listening
to the roar of the crowd,
1285
01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:58,217
the scale of the event
only just starts to hit home.
1286
01:03:58,501 --> 01:04:01,345
For the first time ever,
an American team will play
1287
01:04:01,629 --> 01:04:05,179
an away fixture in North Korea
with Kim Jong-Un watching on.
1288
01:04:05,467 --> 01:04:08,266
National pride is at stake,
and even though the event
1289
01:04:08,553 --> 01:04:10,271
will only be broadcast
in North Korea,
1290
01:04:10,555 --> 01:04:13,024
the result will be eagerly
anticipated around the world,
1291
01:04:13,308 --> 01:04:15,310
so it's a game neither side
will want to lose.
1292
01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:39,296
Now the players of half
our team from D.P.R. Korea
1293
01:04:39,584 --> 01:04:41,052
and the NBA star's team
from U.S.A.
1294
01:04:41,336 --> 01:04:42,257
Will enter the stadium.
1295
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:43,672
It's game time.
1296
01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:25,592
Before the game,
1297
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,008
Mr. Dennis Rodman
would like to say a few words.
1298
01:05:33,471 --> 01:05:36,520
With the players out on court
1299
01:05:36,808 --> 01:05:40,108
and 20,000 North Koreans
waiting patiently,
1300
01:05:40,395 --> 01:05:44,025
it's time
for Dennis' big moment.
1301
01:05:44,315 --> 01:05:45,692
Uh...
1302
01:05:47,652 --> 01:05:50,747
I would like
to really thank, um...
1303
01:05:51,030 --> 01:05:56,378
My peers here from the U.S.
1304
01:05:56,661 --> 01:05:59,881
Having the guts
to believe in me,
1305
01:06:00,165 --> 01:06:04,215
to be here with The Marshal
for his birthday.
1306
01:06:04,502 --> 01:06:08,177
A lot of people have expressed
1307
01:06:08,465 --> 01:06:11,139
different views about me
1308
01:06:11,426 --> 01:06:15,852
and your leader here,
The Marshal.
1309
01:06:16,139 --> 01:06:20,315
And I take that
as a compliment,
1310
01:06:20,602 --> 01:06:24,072
a compliment
as far as the world.
1311
01:06:24,355 --> 01:06:26,699
Yes, he's a great leader.
1312
01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:31,079
He provides for his people
here in this country.
1313
01:06:31,362 --> 01:06:36,038
And thank God the people here
love The Marshal.
1314
01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:51,849
Um...
1315
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:57,185
For the people of North Korea,
I want to say one thing...
1316
01:06:57,472 --> 01:07:02,694
This is history-breaking ground
for everyone that's involved.
1317
01:07:02,977 --> 01:07:06,652
My peers here,
the national team here.
1318
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:11,241
All I want to say is
just to my friend
1319
01:07:11,528 --> 01:07:15,499
and his wife and his family...
his family...
1320
01:07:15,782 --> 01:07:19,537
♪ Happy Birthday to you ♪
1321
01:07:19,827 --> 01:07:24,298
♪ Happy Birthday to you ♪
1322
01:07:26,292 --> 01:07:28,340
♪ Happy Birthday, dear Marshal ♪
1323
01:07:28,628 --> 01:07:32,258
♪ Happy Birthday to you ♪
1324
01:07:34,551 --> 01:07:37,475
Dennis' serenading of
The Marshal ls very unexpected,
1325
01:07:37,762 --> 01:07:40,356
even by his standards and shows
1326
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,234
how naive he is to the wider
political situation.
1327
01:07:43,518 --> 01:07:45,278
It's very unlikely
to go down well back home,
1328
01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:47,193
but for now,
that will have to wait...
1329
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,356
there's a basketball game
to be played.
1330
01:07:53,945 --> 01:07:56,915
And in another unexpected move,
1331
01:07:57,198 --> 01:08:00,498
Dennis has decided to split
the game into two halves.
1332
01:08:00,785 --> 01:08:02,412
In the first half,
it's the main event...
1333
01:08:02,704 --> 01:08:04,923
the United States
against North Korea.
1334
01:08:05,206 --> 01:08:07,126
In the second half,
Dennis is mixing up the teams
1335
01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:08,793
so both North Koreans
and Americans
1336
01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:10,337
will play side by side,
1337
01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:12,346
a nice touch
that will hopefully underline
1338
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:14,303
the real importance
of the trip...
1339
01:08:14,591 --> 01:08:16,639
bringing the people
of two nations,
1340
01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,349
divided in so many ways,
closer together.
1341
01:08:22,557 --> 01:08:24,184
But first,
can the ex-NBA players
1342
01:08:24,475 --> 01:08:28,321
beat a team of eager, hungry,
young North Koreans
1343
01:08:28,605 --> 01:08:29,902
keen to please their Marshal?
1344
01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:32,109
Speaking to the U.S. coach,
he seems more worried
1345
01:08:32,317 --> 01:08:34,490
about his own team's fitness
levels
1346
01:08:34,777 --> 01:08:36,245
than those of the opposition.
1347
01:08:36,529 --> 01:08:39,123
Just do a lot of rotations,
get everyone in the game early
1348
01:08:39,407 --> 01:08:41,876
so they get a feel
for the court and surroundings.
1349
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,878
Just so they can get comfortable
out there
1350
01:08:44,162 --> 01:08:46,881
so we'll do a lot
of substituting.
1351
01:08:47,165 --> 01:08:49,588
If guys are really tired,
we'll get 'em out early
1352
01:08:49,876 --> 01:08:51,173
and get 'em back in sooner.
1353
01:09:08,936 --> 01:09:11,985
The U.S. players start by trying
to use their height advantage.
1354
01:09:12,273 --> 01:09:14,116
But their handling
lets them down.
1355
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:21,325
The North Koreans' response is to
use their own advantage... speed.
1356
01:09:23,409 --> 01:09:27,130
They move the ball fast,
stay out of reach
1357
01:09:27,413 --> 01:09:29,586
and shooting from outside
the 3-point arc.
1358
01:09:39,801 --> 01:09:42,145
The Americans
register their first points.
1359
01:09:42,428 --> 01:09:44,101
The cool head and hands
of Doug christie
1360
01:09:44,389 --> 01:09:45,982
and a bank shot from vin Baker.
1361
01:09:51,396 --> 01:09:54,991
They're back in the game, which is
more physical than they'd expected.
1362
01:10:21,175 --> 01:10:22,496
North Korea continued
to dominate.
1363
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,512
Playing a pass-and-move
style of basketball,
1364
01:10:24,804 --> 01:10:28,183
which catches the Americans
flat-footed and defending too deep
1365
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:30,852
to prevent a succession
of 3-point shots.
1366
01:10:31,144 --> 01:10:33,112
Rattled, the visitors
call a time-out
1367
01:10:33,396 --> 01:10:35,945
to take stock
and catch their breath.
1368
01:10:39,485 --> 01:10:41,613
Charles Smith
and the rest of the team
1369
01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:44,623
are starting to realize
what Dennis knew all along...
1370
01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:50,788
these guys can shoot.
1371
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,732
The hosts up the tempo again.
1372
01:11:10,016 --> 01:11:13,020
Their decision making and hand
speed too much for an aging team,
1373
01:11:13,311 --> 01:11:15,188
including an out-of-condition
Dennis.
1374
01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:20,921
At the end of the first period,
with the Americans trailing by
1375
01:12:21,212 --> 01:12:23,886
Dennis bows out to enjoy
watching the rest of the game
1376
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:26,517
with his friend Kim Jong-Un.
1377
01:12:26,801 --> 01:12:28,895
The second quarter brings more
of the same.
1378
01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:07,676
The U.S. team does rally, but
fatigue starts to play its part.
1379
01:13:07,967 --> 01:13:11,221
And for all their effort,
nothing quite comes off.
1380
01:14:01,354 --> 01:14:02,634
At the end
of the second quarter,
1381
01:14:02,855 --> 01:14:06,325
the score is U.S.A. 39,
North Korea 45,
1382
01:14:06,609 --> 01:14:09,328
a win for the D.P.R.K.
And an indication
1383
01:14:09,612 --> 01:14:12,035
that, just maybe,
the professionals
1384
01:14:12,323 --> 01:14:13,723
have underestimated
their opponents.
1385
01:14:13,866 --> 01:14:15,083
Uh...
1386
01:14:15,368 --> 01:14:18,918
We trained them.
We taught them to beat us.
1387
01:14:19,205 --> 01:14:20,673
The competition was good.
1388
01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:22,755
They played extremely hard...
physical, very physical.
1389
01:14:23,042 --> 01:14:25,362
- They played extremely hard.
- Which is really good.
1390
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,555
- Which is good.
- Yeah, no doubt.
1391
01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:32,093
They beat us in two quarters. We had
two more quarters to go, but we split.
1392
01:14:32,385 --> 01:14:36,640
We was down by 9 points. But
they could play a little bit.
1393
01:14:36,931 --> 01:14:39,980
I think it took it for granted
1394
01:14:40,267 --> 01:14:43,897
that playing these guys,
but they could shoot.
1395
01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:46,816
They're in great shape.
They run the floor well.
1396
01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:49,987
I have to
give those guys credit,
1397
01:14:50,277 --> 01:14:53,622
because they played
extremely hard.
1398
01:14:53,906 --> 01:14:57,331
They were very focused
and they knew what to do
1399
01:14:57,618 --> 01:15:00,167
to be effective against us.
1400
01:15:00,454 --> 01:15:02,582
It's interesting
because they had a strategy
1401
01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:07,879
to play against us, you know,
older NBA players,
1402
01:15:08,170 --> 01:15:09,547
and they used that European
1403
01:15:09,839 --> 01:15:12,934
drive-and-kick,
shorter, faster guys.
1404
01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:15,265
So the game
was much more competitive
1405
01:15:15,553 --> 01:15:16,930
and much more interesting
than I thought it would be.
1406
01:15:23,978 --> 01:15:25,275
As Dennis planned,
1407
01:15:25,563 --> 01:15:27,315
the teams change up
for the second half,
1408
01:15:27,606 --> 01:15:29,449
and it just happens
1409
01:15:29,734 --> 01:15:31,202
that with the two nationalities
mixed together,
1410
01:15:31,485 --> 01:15:34,455
the crowd sees some of the best
action of the night...
1411
01:15:34,739 --> 01:15:36,992
With Dennis and Kim Jong-Un
watching on.
1412
01:16:06,353 --> 01:16:07,775
It's still a strange sight...
1413
01:16:08,064 --> 01:16:10,192
the leader of the world's
most controlled state
1414
01:16:10,483 --> 01:16:12,986
and America's
most out-of-control celebrity
1415
01:16:13,277 --> 01:16:16,531
laughing and joking like
a couple of old college buddies.
1416
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:04,253
As the game reaches a close,
1417
01:17:04,537 --> 01:17:07,381
it's hard to say what long-term
effect it may or may not have.
1418
01:17:07,665 --> 01:17:09,713
But the interaction
between the North Korean
1419
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,719
and U.S. players feels like
an unerringly positive thing,
1420
01:17:13,003 --> 01:17:15,381
with millions of North Koreans
1421
01:17:15,673 --> 01:17:16,674
watching their kin standing
shoulder-to-shoulder
1422
01:17:16,966 --> 01:17:20,516
with the old enemy
on their TV screens.
1423
01:18:28,996 --> 01:18:31,670
After the game,
The Marshal meets his players.
1424
01:18:31,957 --> 01:18:36,383
As we know, he's a big
basketball fan, after all.
1425
01:18:36,670 --> 01:18:39,139
In the dressing room, there's a
sense of euphoria and relief
1426
01:18:39,423 --> 01:18:41,221
that the game
actually took place.
1427
01:18:41,508 --> 01:18:43,351
But for Charles,
it's all too much.
1428
01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:48,186
I just needed
a moment to myself,
1429
01:18:48,474 --> 01:18:52,650
to, uh kind of reflect
and get the emotion out
1430
01:18:52,937 --> 01:18:56,862
because it's been pent up
through the whole trip.
1431
01:19:01,403 --> 01:19:06,455
It was hard
getting the guys together.
1432
01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:08,619
Congratulations.
1433
01:19:08,911 --> 01:19:10,584
And zoom in on it.
1434
01:19:10,871 --> 01:19:14,091
It's always difficult
1435
01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:16,594
working with Dennis,
1436
01:19:16,877 --> 01:19:19,426
but it... it...
it usually works out well.
1437
01:19:21,215 --> 01:19:24,640
I just sung "Happy Birthday"
to the fucker.
1438
01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:27,893
In less than 24 hours,
1439
01:19:28,180 --> 01:19:31,104
we were actually thinking
of not playing this game.
1440
01:19:33,227 --> 01:19:37,277
We were actually thinking
of not playing the game.
1441
01:19:38,816 --> 01:19:40,784
We made history today.
1442
01:19:43,153 --> 01:19:45,372
The high emotions are felt
1443
01:19:45,656 --> 01:19:47,533
in the North Korean camp, too.
1444
01:19:47,825 --> 01:19:49,577
It was a great, great,
great pleasure,
1445
01:19:49,868 --> 01:19:51,415
and a happiness and honor
for him.
1446
01:20:03,841 --> 01:20:06,560
With their
achievement starting to sink in,
1447
01:20:06,844 --> 01:20:08,084
the players begin to celebrate.
1448
01:20:08,345 --> 01:20:10,313
Bring it in, guys.
Bring in in. Come on.
1449
01:20:10,597 --> 01:20:12,474
I'm feeling...
I'm feeling some love.
1450
01:20:12,766 --> 01:20:13,983
Bring it in. Bring it in.
Come on, bring it in.
1451
01:20:14,268 --> 01:20:15,548
I'm feeling some love.
We did it.
1452
01:20:17,813 --> 01:20:20,657
Vin, come on, man.
1453
01:20:31,744 --> 01:20:35,248
Back at the hotel,
the celebrations continue.
1454
01:20:35,539 --> 01:20:38,918
For the first time since
they stepped foot in Pyongyang,
1455
01:20:39,209 --> 01:20:41,553
everyone gets
to let their hair down.
1456
01:20:41,837 --> 01:20:43,339
And, yep,
Joe gets another chance
1457
01:20:43,630 --> 01:20:47,009
to show off
his well-honed karaoke skills.
1458
01:20:51,347 --> 01:20:53,548
After everything that's happened
over the last few days,
1459
01:20:53,682 --> 01:20:55,082
there's a good show
of togetherness,
1460
01:20:55,309 --> 01:20:58,529
and the revelry lasts
well into the night.
1461
01:20:58,812 --> 01:21:00,155
Who woulda thunk it?
1462
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,157
Oh!
1463
01:21:02,441 --> 01:21:03,988
And I love North Korea.
1464
01:21:09,823 --> 01:21:12,667
The next day, the U.S. players,
with a few sore heads,
1465
01:21:12,951 --> 01:21:15,955
head out for some specially
organized r&r time
1466
01:21:16,246 --> 01:21:17,919
with the North Korean team.
1467
01:21:18,207 --> 01:21:21,381
We had a chance to actually
interact with the national team,
1468
01:21:21,668 --> 01:21:23,011
so we went to the water park,
1469
01:21:23,295 --> 01:21:24,467
got on slides together.
1470
01:21:24,755 --> 01:21:26,632
Guys were pulling me over...
"come, come."
1471
01:21:26,924 --> 01:21:29,473
Even though it was a different-language
barrier, we communicated with each other.
1472
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,558
And it was good to be around
those guys away from the gym,
1473
01:21:31,845 --> 01:21:34,098
in a different atmosphere,
and it was the same thing.
1474
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:35,391
It was all love,
1475
01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:38,356
we had a great time
with those guys.
1476
01:21:38,644 --> 01:21:40,112
It's gonna be a bond.
1477
01:21:40,396 --> 01:21:41,648
It's gonna probably be,
you know, from that day forth,
1478
01:21:41,939 --> 01:21:43,407
all the way throughout.
1479
01:21:43,690 --> 01:21:45,488
You know, a lot of the players
that were there, you know,
1480
01:21:45,776 --> 01:21:47,153
of course remembered
all the guys,
1481
01:21:47,444 --> 01:21:49,367
you know, from the game,
and stuff like that,
1482
01:21:49,655 --> 01:21:51,248
and, you know,
we just went there
1483
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:53,892
to have a good time, kind of,
you know, unwind a little bit.
1484
01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:56,036
You know, a couple guys,
we got in the sauna,
1485
01:21:56,328 --> 01:21:57,750
we did
a little water slide stuff,
1486
01:21:58,038 --> 01:21:59,335
got in the pools and stuff.
1487
01:21:59,623 --> 01:22:01,383
They showed us a lot of love,
lot of respect,
1488
01:22:01,417 --> 01:22:03,385
and we did the same,
you know, with them.
1489
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:06,029
Meanwhile, Dennis
and a small number of his group
1490
01:22:06,088 --> 01:22:08,056
are whisked away
on a separate trip.
1491
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:09,941
While they were chatting
during the game,
1492
01:22:10,175 --> 01:22:12,553
The Marshal told Dennis
that he'd made plans for them
1493
01:22:12,845 --> 01:22:14,768
to spend the weekend together
at masik,
1494
01:22:15,055 --> 01:22:19,526
the country's new luxury ski lodge,
three hours east of the capital.
1495
01:22:29,528 --> 01:22:32,953
By the time Dennis arrives,
some of The Marshal's
1496
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,083
family and entourage
are already on the slopes.
1497
01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:37,540
First, he's invited
to a than k-you meal
1498
01:22:37,828 --> 01:22:39,876
with the sports minister
before being taken
1499
01:22:40,164 --> 01:22:42,508
on an exclusive tour
of the resort.
1500
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,505
After the officials have shown
the place off to the cameras,
1501
01:23:21,788 --> 01:23:24,416
Dennis' film crew is informed
that only Dennis
1502
01:23:24,708 --> 01:23:26,301
and the closest members
of his group
1503
01:23:26,585 --> 01:23:28,305
will be allowed to stay
to meet Kim Jong-Un.
1504
01:23:28,504 --> 01:23:29,972
It's a shame, as there had been
1505
01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:33,179
the possibility of securing
a world-exclusive interview
1506
01:23:33,467 --> 01:23:35,435
with The Marshal,
but it's not to be.
1507
01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:37,517
And so, grudgingly,
the crew leave
1508
01:23:37,804 --> 01:23:39,226
Dennis, VO, Joe, and Michael
1509
01:23:39,515 --> 01:23:42,314
to enjoy the slopes while
they trek back to Pyongyang.
1510
01:23:46,563 --> 01:23:48,603
The next morning, it's time
for the American players
1511
01:23:48,774 --> 01:23:51,903
to say their goodbyes and head
back to the United States.
1512
01:23:52,194 --> 01:23:53,491
Now that the game is over,
1513
01:23:53,779 --> 01:23:55,907
what were their thoughts
on the trip?
1514
01:23:56,198 --> 01:23:58,417
There was so much media scrutiny
1515
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:01,670
on the players individually,
which we didn't expect.
1516
01:24:01,954 --> 01:24:06,209
We knew that there were gonna
be some negative publicity
1517
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:07,922
surrounding the game
1518
01:24:08,210 --> 01:24:11,384
and us being in Korea,
North Korea,
1519
01:24:11,672 --> 01:24:15,222
but we didn't expect our country
to bash us personally.
1520
01:24:15,509 --> 01:24:16,931
That caught us off guard,
1521
01:24:17,219 --> 01:24:19,221
and that was pretty frustrating,
1522
01:24:19,513 --> 01:24:22,938
and some of the guys had
some personal issues with it,
1523
01:24:23,225 --> 01:24:24,727
their families and their children,
and it was kind of tough.
1524
01:24:25,018 --> 01:24:28,397
I don't know if I'm worried
about the backlash.
1525
01:24:28,689 --> 01:24:31,408
I'm anticipating both, you know,
1526
01:24:31,692 --> 01:24:33,911
family and friends
happy that I'm home,
1527
01:24:34,194 --> 01:24:38,290
and then there'll be some people
who don't understand
1528
01:24:38,574 --> 01:24:41,874
or be puzzled by the fact
that we went.
1529
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,920
I don't know how much shit
I'm gonna get into
1530
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:47,128
when I go back home,
which I don't, you know.
1531
01:24:47,416 --> 01:24:48,668
And does it matter?
1532
01:24:48,959 --> 01:24:51,553
I have to just, you know,
face the consequences,
1533
01:24:51,837 --> 01:24:55,637
'cause I did something
radical, major, you know?
1534
01:24:55,924 --> 01:24:58,598
And that's cool.
That's cool with me.
1535
01:24:58,885 --> 01:25:01,980
I just have to deal with it,
but I'm not sad.
1536
01:25:02,264 --> 01:25:05,188
I'm like, "yo, I did something
that, you know",
1537
01:25:05,475 --> 01:25:08,900
people in America
didn't agree with fully,
1538
01:25:09,187 --> 01:25:11,610
"and I have to deal with it."
1539
01:25:11,898 --> 01:25:17,576
I certainly didn't intend fob this to
be a birthday celebration for anyone.
1540
01:25:17,863 --> 01:25:19,865
And that's what it turned
into being
1541
01:25:20,157 --> 01:25:23,707
so it was unfortunate that
1542
01:25:23,994 --> 01:25:27,669
we were all in that situation.
1543
01:25:27,956 --> 01:25:29,583
But we have to move on from it.
1544
01:25:29,875 --> 01:25:32,219
I didn't even know
1545
01:25:32,502 --> 01:25:35,597
going over there that it was
a birthday.
1546
01:25:35,881 --> 01:25:39,476
Or that it was gonna be looked
at as a birthday gift
1547
01:25:50,729 --> 01:25:53,448
I'm just, you know... I'm not
over being with the guys.
1548
01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:56,110
And, you know, just everything
that's been involved
1549
01:25:56,401 --> 01:26:00,281
with, you know, the media,
1550
01:26:00,572 --> 01:26:03,997
and all the talk in the media,
and when we should talk,
1551
01:26:04,284 --> 01:26:06,284
and when we shouldn't talk,
and how we should talk.
1552
01:26:06,286 --> 01:26:07,833
I'm tired of that.
1553
01:26:08,121 --> 01:26:10,590
Do you have any regrets
about the trip?
1554
01:26:10,874 --> 01:26:12,592
I don't regret it one bit.
1555
01:26:12,876 --> 01:26:16,301
It doesn't matter what scrutiny
I get at home, what people say.
1556
01:26:16,588 --> 01:26:19,137
They're not me.
They're not in my head.
1557
01:26:19,424 --> 01:26:21,643
They don't know what I go
through on a daily basis.
1558
01:26:21,927 --> 01:26:23,975
They don't live in my shoes.
1559
01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:26,014
I felt it was a good
opportunity,
1560
01:26:26,306 --> 01:26:28,729
as well, I think,
as everyone else that's here,
1561
01:26:29,017 --> 01:26:31,236
to show the world
that this place
1562
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,400
that they call North Korea is
not as bad as what they think.
1563
01:26:35,691 --> 01:26:38,240
I'm gonna just tell them
I had a great time.
1564
01:26:38,527 --> 01:26:39,995
By far, as a professional,
1565
01:26:40,278 --> 01:26:41,621
I would say this is probably
1566
01:26:41,905 --> 01:26:44,374
my best experience,
basketball-wise, as a pro.
1567
01:26:44,658 --> 01:26:46,499
Like anything, anything.
Just anything.
1568
01:26:46,702 --> 01:26:48,375
You know, you look at it even
from the standpoint of Dennis,
1569
01:26:48,662 --> 01:26:53,213
to be, you know, even
in the presence of this guy.
1570
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:54,740
They say they're friends.
1571
01:26:54,876 --> 01:26:56,423
Even said,
"that's my friend."
1572
01:26:56,712 --> 01:26:58,913
There's no one
right now in the United States
1573
01:26:59,047 --> 01:26:59,798
that can say that.
1574
01:27:00,090 --> 01:27:01,182
- Nobody.
- Right.
1575
01:27:01,466 --> 01:27:02,718
Like, there's nobody
that can say, "oh, yeah",
1576
01:27:03,009 --> 01:27:04,010
oh, yeah,
that's my man."
1577
01:27:04,302 --> 01:27:07,055
You know, "we cool..."
nobody.
1578
01:27:07,347 --> 01:27:10,897
A few days later,
it's Dennis' turn to head home,
1579
01:27:11,184 --> 01:27:13,858
after spending a full weekend
with The Marshal.
1580
01:27:14,146 --> 01:27:15,739
Beijing airport is buzzing
1581
01:27:16,022 --> 01:27:18,525
as the world's press
waits to find out
1582
01:27:18,817 --> 01:27:21,411
what happened at the ski lodge.
1583
01:27:21,695 --> 01:27:23,856
But when Dennis appears,
he's swept through the airport
1584
01:27:24,072 --> 01:27:27,076
and onto his connecting flight
without saying a word.
1585
01:27:34,374 --> 01:27:37,548
And on the plane home
the truth come out.
1586
01:27:37,836 --> 01:27:41,511
Despite being promised they'd
spend some quality time together,
1587
01:27:41,798 --> 01:27:43,550
The Marshal never showed.
1588
01:27:43,842 --> 01:27:46,095
It's desperately
disappointing news for Dennis,
1589
01:27:46,386 --> 01:27:47,729
especially after everything
1590
01:27:48,013 --> 01:27:50,482
he'd gone through
to get the game to happen.
1591
01:27:50,766 --> 01:27:52,689
So why did Kim Jong-Un
choose to leave
1592
01:27:52,976 --> 01:27:54,478
his good friend high and dry?
Now that the game was over,
1593
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:56,363
had The Marshal simply gotten
1594
01:27:56,646 --> 01:27:58,899
everything he needed to
out of Dennis?
1595
01:27:59,191 --> 01:28:00,443
Could it be that this was all
1596
01:28:00,734 --> 01:28:02,577
just a cleverly devised
propaganda campaign
1597
01:28:02,861 --> 01:28:06,786
by Kim Jong-Un to show his
people just how powerful he is,
1598
01:28:07,073 --> 01:28:08,916
inviting a group of Americans to Pyongyang
and beating them at their own game.
1599
01:28:09,201 --> 01:28:12,956
According to Daniel Pinkston,
this doesn't really stack up.
1600
01:28:13,246 --> 01:28:14,919
I just don't buy that argument
1601
01:28:15,207 --> 01:28:19,758
because the state narrative
and the propaganda narrative
1602
01:28:20,045 --> 01:28:24,175
is compliance and conformity...
1603
01:28:24,466 --> 01:28:27,515
obey, obedience.
1604
01:28:27,803 --> 01:28:33,185
And here is Dennis Rodman,
who is one of the most unusual
1605
01:28:33,475 --> 01:28:36,149
nonconformists
we could think of,
1606
01:28:36,436 --> 01:28:39,690
and here he is
in the embrace of Kim Jong-Un,
1607
01:28:39,981 --> 01:28:41,324
and it's sending this message
1608
01:28:41,608 --> 01:28:44,202
that, "hey,
it's okay to be different."
1609
01:28:44,486 --> 01:28:45,988
They never saw
an American before,
1610
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:47,781
and they go back,
and they think,
1611
01:28:48,073 --> 01:28:49,700
"well, everything I read
in textbooks,"
1612
01:28:49,991 --> 01:28:52,244
and everything my schoolteacher
told me in school,
1613
01:28:52,536 --> 01:28:54,538
and everything
the party cell member told me,
1614
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:56,173
and everything
our coach told us,
1615
01:28:56,456 --> 01:28:57,878
and everything
that the state media told me,
1616
01:28:58,166 --> 01:29:02,046
was that Americans are evil,
they're trying to kill us,
1617
01:29:02,337 --> 01:29:04,214
"but the Americans I saw, they were friendly.
They're like us."
1618
01:29:04,506 --> 01:29:06,429
This is a very
subversive message,
1619
01:29:06,716 --> 01:29:08,263
and people will remember that.
1620
01:29:08,552 --> 01:29:11,055
Those young people
1621
01:29:11,346 --> 01:29:12,689
who have those interactions
with the Americans,
1622
01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:15,317
they will never forget it
as long as they live,
1623
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,978
and people underestimate that.
1624
01:29:18,270 --> 01:29:19,910
So why didn't The Marshal show?
1625
01:29:20,021 --> 01:29:21,614
It turns out
that up at the ski lodge,
1626
01:29:21,898 --> 01:29:24,196
Dennis went on the mother
of all drinking binges,
1627
01:29:24,484 --> 01:29:27,158
and his behavior
got increasingly out of control.
1628
01:29:27,445 --> 01:29:30,039
With The Marshal's friends
and family watching on,
1629
01:29:30,323 --> 01:29:31,620
the decision was made for Kim
1630
01:29:31,908 --> 01:29:34,832
to save face and to give Dennis
a wide berth.
1631
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,714
In other words, Dennis blew it.
1632
01:29:37,998 --> 01:29:40,376
The game was a great showpiece,
no doubt,
1633
01:29:40,667 --> 01:29:43,261
but their friendship,
as odd as it may seem,
1634
01:29:43,545 --> 01:29:44,797
had a lot of potential.
1635
01:29:45,088 --> 01:29:47,432
In the long run,
it really could have led
1636
01:29:47,716 --> 01:29:50,344
to improved relations between
the U.S. and North Korea.
1637
01:29:50,635 --> 01:29:52,888
And who knows...
it might even have persuaded
1638
01:29:53,179 --> 01:29:56,399
president Barack Obama
to engage with North Korea.
1639
01:29:56,683 --> 01:29:59,903
But Dennis' alcoholism
and sheer unpredictability
1640
01:30:00,186 --> 01:30:01,438
got the better of him,
1641
01:30:01,730 --> 01:30:04,904
and his dream of opening
the door to North Korea
1642
01:30:05,191 --> 01:30:07,535
may have gone up in smoke
for good.
1643
01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:10,823
- He's now back in the states.
- It's over.
1644
01:30:14,034 --> 01:30:16,207
As soon as Dennis arrived
back in America,
1645
01:30:16,494 --> 01:30:18,055
he booked himself
straight into rehab...
1646
01:30:18,330 --> 01:30:20,082
in his own words,
"too cool off."
1647
01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:22,341
Three weeks later,
he left the clinic.
1648
01:30:22,626 --> 01:30:23,843
Now that he'd sobered up
1649
01:30:24,127 --> 01:30:25,688
and has had time to reflect
on the trip,
1650
01:30:25,921 --> 01:30:28,344
what did he feel
about The Marshal's no-show?
1651
01:30:28,632 --> 01:30:31,431
Well, it's all... that...
that was different.
1652
01:30:31,718 --> 01:30:33,436
They didn't want to bring him
around me
1653
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:34,892
'cause I was too
doing my thing, so that's why.
1654
01:30:35,180 --> 01:30:37,103
But I was doing...
I was, you know, drinking.
1655
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,859
I was so drunk. You know,
I'm pretty sure he was like,
1656
01:30:40,143 --> 01:30:41,645
"okay," you know,
he got to keep his image up.
1657
01:30:41,937 --> 01:30:43,137
Okay, great.
I understood that.
1658
01:30:43,396 --> 01:30:44,648
That was cool.
That was cool how he did that.
1659
01:30:44,940 --> 01:30:46,317
I had to drink
to fucking get myself together.
1660
01:30:46,608 --> 01:30:49,031
You know,
it went to that far for me,
1661
01:30:49,319 --> 01:30:51,600
as to have a drink a little bit
more than I usually drink,
1662
01:30:51,655 --> 01:30:52,998
because I just didn't want to
hear the bullshit, you know?
1663
01:30:53,281 --> 01:30:55,158
But like I say, I survived it.
1664
01:30:55,450 --> 01:30:58,203
Life goes on, and guess what,
it's a happy day.
1665
01:30:58,495 --> 01:30:59,816
Dennis brushes over it,
1666
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,921
but is he being
completely honest with himself?
1667
01:31:02,082 --> 01:31:03,562
He cherished his relationship
with Kim
1668
01:31:03,792 --> 01:31:06,090
and knew that this
was his chance
1669
01:31:06,378 --> 01:31:08,847
to show the world
what he could do.
1670
01:31:09,130 --> 01:31:10,251
Dennis also appeared to have
1671
01:31:10,382 --> 01:31:11,884
a real affinity
with North Korea.
1672
01:31:12,175 --> 01:31:13,927
At the start of this journey,
it seemed that the D.P.R.K.
1673
01:31:14,219 --> 01:31:16,139
And Dennis Rodman
couldn't be any more different,
1674
01:31:16,304 --> 01:31:19,524
but as Joe explains, they're
more alike than you might think.
1675
01:31:19,808 --> 01:31:22,607
People accuse Dennis Rodman
of being crazy, being stupid,
1676
01:31:22,894 --> 01:31:24,316
and I'll tell you, he's neither.
1677
01:31:24,604 --> 01:31:26,777
He's one of the smartest guys
I've ever met,
1678
01:31:27,065 --> 01:31:28,157
once I got to know him.
1679
01:31:28,441 --> 01:31:30,284
I didn't expect that
before I met him,
1680
01:31:30,568 --> 01:31:33,071
because we all know
that he has trouble, sometimes,
1681
01:31:33,363 --> 01:31:34,114
being articulate.
1682
01:31:34,406 --> 01:31:35,532
But when you see him work,
1683
01:31:35,824 --> 01:31:37,576
it's just like he was
on the field,
1684
01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:39,961
when he's playing basketball
on the court.
1685
01:31:40,245 --> 01:31:42,623
He can predict what's gonna
happen in the future,
1686
01:31:42,914 --> 01:31:45,008
and he sees things
in multiple dimensions,
1687
01:31:45,291 --> 01:31:47,293
so he's a very smart,
actually smart guy.
1688
01:31:47,585 --> 01:31:49,883
North Korea is accused
of the same damn thing.
1689
01:31:50,171 --> 01:31:51,969
North Korea...
people say they're irrational
1690
01:31:52,257 --> 01:31:54,931
because they don't take the time
to understand their premises
1691
01:31:55,218 --> 01:31:56,891
and to understand
how they think.
1692
01:31:57,178 --> 01:31:59,977
But most of the things they do
are completely logical
1693
01:32:00,265 --> 01:32:02,359
once you understand
that their value system
1694
01:32:02,642 --> 01:32:04,315
and their premises
are different.
1695
01:32:04,602 --> 01:32:06,821
So it's the same for Dennis
and North Korea,
1696
01:32:07,105 --> 01:32:08,745
and it's the common bond
that unites them,
1697
01:32:08,857 --> 01:32:10,497
is that neither
is either stupid or crazy.
1698
01:32:10,567 --> 01:32:12,945
They just are accused of that
by the mainstream
1699
01:32:13,236 --> 01:32:15,204
and the mainstream opinion
in the media.
1700
01:32:15,488 --> 01:32:17,049
And so I think
that they bond over that.
1701
01:32:17,157 --> 01:32:18,875
Not only is he not stupid...
1702
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:22,333
Dennis Rodman somehow became
the one high-profile American
1703
01:32:22,620 --> 01:32:25,624
with direct contact to the
ruling power in North Korea.
1704
01:32:25,915 --> 01:32:29,294
Whether that relationship is gone for
good, we'll have to wait and see.
1705
01:32:29,586 --> 01:32:32,305
Dennis has to take responsibility
for his own actions.
1706
01:32:32,589 --> 01:32:35,263
But if the establishment
hadn't been so tough on him,
1707
01:32:35,550 --> 01:32:39,145
then maybe, just maybe,
he wouldn't have hit
1708
01:32:39,429 --> 01:32:43,525
the self-destruct button
quite so hard.
1709
01:32:43,808 --> 01:32:45,651
The more you keep going at it,
the more you keep going at it,
1710
01:32:45,935 --> 01:32:47,403
the more you keep pursuing
something, pursuing something,
1711
01:32:47,687 --> 01:32:48,688
sooner or later,
something's got to happen.
1712
01:32:48,980 --> 01:32:50,948
It's a big picture,
not this one.
1713
01:32:51,232 --> 01:32:52,950
It's a big picture, okay?
1714
01:32:53,234 --> 01:32:54,577
So, you know, it's, like,
it's gonna work,
1715
01:32:54,861 --> 01:32:57,330
and people don't open their eyes
and say, "wow."
1716
01:32:57,614 --> 01:32:58,706
Okay, great, cool."
1717
01:32:58,990 --> 01:33:00,992
We could actually
go to North Korea
1718
01:33:01,284 --> 01:33:03,707
and actually survive
and actually come back,
1719
01:33:03,995 --> 01:33:06,293
and actually are saying,
"wow," you know,
1720
01:33:06,581 --> 01:33:08,254
"it's not so bad."
1721
01:33:08,541 --> 01:33:10,885
But people want to make it
like that country is so...
1722
01:33:11,169 --> 01:33:14,093
it's like the devil,
and it's not.
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