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To be certain, I take you. 14 00:04:10,209 --> 00:04:12,918 Doctor. 15 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,876 [dramatic music] 16 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:23,083 ♪ 17 00:04:40,292 --> 00:04:43,167 [quiet moaning] 18 00:04:43,250 --> 00:04:46,417 [moaning continues] 19 00:04:49,876 --> 00:04:52,292 - [moaning] 20 00:04:56,626 --> 00:04:59,834 [speaking native language] 21 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:17,459 - [grunts] 22 00:05:17,542 --> 00:05:19,375 [woman vomits] 23 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:25,667 [breathing heavily] 24 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:40,250 - Why? Why this happen? 25 00:05:43,292 --> 00:05:44,584 You doctor! 26 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:46,751 How you don't know? 27 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:18,209 ♪ ♪ 28 00:06:59,042 --> 00:07:02,000 [heart beating] 29 00:07:06,626 --> 00:07:09,542 [heartbeat fades] 30 00:07:11,417 --> 00:07:14,000 [both speaking Danish] 31 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:33,375 [melancholy music] 32 00:07:33,459 --> 00:07:40,667 ♪ 33 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:45,042 [man groans] 34 00:07:49,083 --> 00:07:52,125 - [speaking French] 35 00:08:14,459 --> 00:08:17,083 man: Two months before its nominating convention, 36 00:08:17,167 --> 00:08:19,417 the Democratic Party began preliminary work 37 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,042 on its 1980 platform. 38 00:08:21,125 --> 00:08:23,292 - Fellow members of the platform committee, 39 00:08:23,375 --> 00:08:27,167 I am Bill Kraus, liaison between Congressman Phillip Burton 40 00:08:27,250 --> 00:08:30,918 and the gay community of San Francisco. 41 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,125 The gay rights plank I'm asking to be included 42 00:08:33,209 --> 00:08:36,500 does not ask for special privileges. 43 00:08:36,584 --> 00:08:39,542 It does not ask anyone to like us. 44 00:08:39,626 --> 00:08:41,876 It does not even ask that the Democratic Party give us 45 00:08:41,959 --> 00:08:44,751 many of the legal protections which are considered the right 46 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:47,375 of all other Americans. 47 00:08:47,459 --> 00:08:49,709 What this amendment asks 48 00:08:49,792 --> 00:08:52,792 is that the Democratic Party recognize that we, 49 00:08:52,876 --> 00:08:55,500 the gay people of this country, 50 00:08:55,584 --> 00:08:57,918 are also human. 51 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,083 [scattered applause] 52 00:09:07,209 --> 00:09:10,334 [cheering and applause] 53 00:09:14,876 --> 00:09:17,083 - Thank you. 54 00:09:17,167 --> 00:09:19,626 Thank you very much. 55 00:09:19,709 --> 00:09:22,667 - How you feeling? - Tired. 56 00:09:22,751 --> 00:09:25,250 - [unintelligible] - Yeah. 57 00:09:25,334 --> 00:09:28,918 Reagan: Thanks very much. [cheering continues] 58 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:29,959 Thank you. 59 00:09:30,042 --> 00:09:31,918 - I'll be back. 60 00:09:33,334 --> 00:09:34,250 woman: Doctor? 61 00:09:34,334 --> 00:09:35,417 - No, not now. 62 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:37,250 Reagan: Here we are. 63 00:09:37,334 --> 00:09:41,459 This is-- [crowd cheering] 64 00:09:43,918 --> 00:09:45,375 - What is his T cell count? 65 00:09:45,459 --> 00:09:47,334 - I got to tell you, Dr. Gottlieb, 66 00:09:47,417 --> 00:09:48,500 this is weird, man. 67 00:09:48,584 --> 00:09:49,375 - What? 68 00:09:49,459 --> 00:09:50,792 - He doesn't have any. 69 00:09:50,876 --> 00:09:52,667 - How can he not have any T cells? 70 00:09:52,751 --> 00:09:55,083 - Well, his immune system's gone. 71 00:09:55,167 --> 00:09:56,834 ♪ ♪ 72 00:09:56,918 --> 00:10:01,334 [Reagan continues speaking on TV] 73 00:10:09,834 --> 00:10:12,459 - Morning. - Good morning, Dr. Guinan. 74 00:10:14,542 --> 00:10:15,667 - Jim? - Yeah? 75 00:10:15,751 --> 00:10:17,626 - Can I talk to you for a minute? 76 00:10:19,209 --> 00:10:21,667 I just got this in the mail from our man in LA, 77 00:10:21,751 --> 00:10:22,751 Dr. Shandera, 78 00:10:22,834 --> 00:10:24,167 who got it from a Dr. Gottlieb. 79 00:10:24,250 --> 00:10:25,584 I think you ought to look at it right away. 80 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:27,751 - Thanks. 81 00:10:33,876 --> 00:10:36,000 - Jim, 82 00:10:36,083 --> 00:10:38,042 It looks like there's a very weird epidemic 83 00:10:38,125 --> 00:10:40,209 breaking out among gay men in Los Angeles. 84 00:10:40,292 --> 00:10:42,167 There've been five cases of pneumocystis 85 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:44,834 with no contributing disease within the past few months, 86 00:10:44,918 --> 00:10:46,292 and already two fatalities. 87 00:10:46,375 --> 00:10:47,918 - Hot stuff. - Mm-hm. 88 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,626 Plus I made some phone calls to New York and San Francisco, 89 00:10:50,709 --> 00:10:52,751 and it seems that they've had similar cases. 90 00:10:52,834 --> 00:10:55,167 I think this ought to go into the weekly newsletter 91 00:10:55,250 --> 00:10:57,751 as soon as possible. 92 00:11:03,918 --> 00:11:05,250 - What did you do that for? 93 00:11:05,334 --> 00:11:06,751 - I don't decide what goes in the newsletter. 94 00:11:06,834 --> 00:11:08,500 I can only recommend. But, Mary, 95 00:11:08,584 --> 00:11:09,959 we've got a new administration. 96 00:11:10,042 --> 00:11:11,125 Do you want to see this published 97 00:11:11,209 --> 00:11:12,751 so that people can read it, 98 00:11:12,834 --> 00:11:14,250 or do you wanna see it killed? 99 00:11:14,334 --> 00:11:16,292 - Thanks. 100 00:11:36,209 --> 00:11:38,167 - Don? Is that you? 101 00:11:38,250 --> 00:11:40,542 - Hey, Mary! - Hi. 102 00:11:40,626 --> 00:11:41,667 How are you? 103 00:11:41,751 --> 00:11:43,250 - Good. Nice to see you. 104 00:11:43,334 --> 00:11:44,250 - How long has it been? 105 00:11:44,334 --> 00:11:46,459 - Smallpox in India. - [laughs] 106 00:11:46,542 --> 00:11:48,000 Come on. Join us. 107 00:11:54,125 --> 00:11:55,584 - Dale, how long do you plan on doing that? 108 00:11:55,667 --> 00:11:59,000 - Till I get my peanut butter cookies. 109 00:12:00,209 --> 00:12:03,292 [coins clinking] 110 00:12:05,876 --> 00:12:08,500 - [shouting] 111 00:12:08,584 --> 00:12:10,125 Hi-yah! 112 00:12:10,209 --> 00:12:11,250 - [laughs] 113 00:12:11,334 --> 00:12:14,417 - Guys, I'd like you to meet Don Francis. 114 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,542 - Hi. Just doing a little demonstration 115 00:12:16,626 --> 00:12:18,375 of the benefits of a sound knowledge 116 00:12:18,459 --> 00:12:19,459 of applied science. 117 00:12:19,542 --> 00:12:21,167 Hi. Harold Jaffe, 118 00:12:21,250 --> 00:12:22,918 Sexually Transmitted Diseases. - Oh. 119 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,918 - Hi, Don. Bill Darrow, Sociology. 120 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,375 You didn't shake Harold's hand, did you? 121 00:12:29,459 --> 00:12:31,751 - Don, hi. Thanks for coming. 122 00:12:31,834 --> 00:12:32,876 Did you meet everybody? - Yeah. 123 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:35,459 - How's Phoenix? - Warm. 124 00:12:35,542 --> 00:12:37,626 - Don't we have a meeting in my office at three o'clock? 125 00:12:37,709 --> 00:12:38,959 What's everybody doing here? 126 00:12:39,042 --> 00:12:40,292 - Trying to have lunch in four minutes, 127 00:12:40,375 --> 00:12:41,626 like you. 128 00:12:41,709 --> 00:12:44,250 - If--if one of those is peanut butter cookies, 129 00:12:44,334 --> 00:12:45,500 that is mine. 130 00:12:45,584 --> 00:12:47,417 - Let's go. 131 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:52,292 - Dale Lawrence, Division of Host Factors. Hi. 132 00:12:52,375 --> 00:12:53,667 - Okay, what we've got in Los Angeles, 133 00:12:53,751 --> 00:12:54,959 San Francisco, and New York 134 00:12:55,042 --> 00:12:56,834 is a number of gay men who've been hit 135 00:12:56,918 --> 00:12:58,792 with a variety of opportunistic infections, 136 00:12:58,876 --> 00:13:01,292 and really, that's all we know. 137 00:13:01,375 --> 00:13:03,459 I've asked Don to join us because for the last three years 138 00:13:03,542 --> 00:13:06,667 he's been tracking hepatitis B virus in gay men, 139 00:13:06,751 --> 00:13:11,125 and before that, worked on the Ebola fever epidemic in Africa. 140 00:13:11,209 --> 00:13:12,584 Thanks for joining us. 141 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:14,667 What we've got to do is hit the phones and spread out, 142 00:13:14,751 --> 00:13:17,792 contact the health departments in all major metropolitan areas, 143 00:13:17,876 --> 00:13:19,042 as usual, so they can do 144 00:13:19,125 --> 00:13:21,125 a hospital-to-hospital search for cases. 145 00:13:21,209 --> 00:13:22,959 - Basic shoe-leather epidemiology. 146 00:13:23,042 --> 00:13:24,751 Jim: That's it. We've got to talk to the patients, 147 00:13:24,834 --> 00:13:26,876 talk to the doctors who may have treated those patients, 148 00:13:26,959 --> 00:13:28,083 and friends, relatives. 149 00:13:28,167 --> 00:13:30,876 No question too stupid or too personal. 150 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:33,918 - Sexual relationships too? - Lifestyle stuff. 151 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,500 - Household chemical, cleaning. - Diet. 152 00:13:36,584 --> 00:13:38,375 Harold: Could be a bad batch of street drugs. 153 00:13:38,459 --> 00:13:39,751 - Pets. - Yeah, maybe they all get 154 00:13:39,834 --> 00:13:42,209 the same kind of kitty litter. [all chuckle] 155 00:13:42,292 --> 00:13:44,209 - Don, I'm gonna go to New York this afternoon, 156 00:13:44,292 --> 00:13:46,250 take a look at this disease... can you come with me? 157 00:13:46,334 --> 00:13:47,751 - Sure. 158 00:13:51,042 --> 00:13:52,667 - If I knew these blotches would turn purple, 159 00:13:52,751 --> 00:13:55,500 I'd have bought some bags to match. 160 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:58,834 Here, look at my book. 161 00:13:58,918 --> 00:14:00,584 When I was still human. 162 00:14:02,876 --> 00:14:04,626 I was the best in the business. 163 00:14:04,709 --> 00:14:07,500 Ask anybody. 164 00:14:07,584 --> 00:14:10,792 Leave it to me to get some disease nobody ever heard of. 165 00:14:10,876 --> 00:14:13,125 Kaposi sarcoma. 166 00:14:13,209 --> 00:14:16,167 Even my doctor had to look it up. 167 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:17,876 "Nothing to worry about," he said. 168 00:14:17,959 --> 00:14:20,792 "Usually happens to Italian men in their 60s 169 00:14:20,876 --> 00:14:23,542 "who continue to live a normal life 170 00:14:23,626 --> 00:14:26,542 till they die of something else." 171 00:14:26,626 --> 00:14:30,792 Do I look like an Italian man in my sixties? 172 00:14:30,876 --> 00:14:32,209 Now I do. 173 00:14:32,292 --> 00:14:35,292 160. 174 00:14:39,959 --> 00:14:41,584 Why do they make things like this 175 00:14:41,667 --> 00:14:44,167 that nobody can ever solve? 176 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 - Oh, excuse me. 177 00:14:48,083 --> 00:14:49,667 I'm sorry. 178 00:14:49,751 --> 00:14:50,751 - Hello. 179 00:14:50,834 --> 00:14:52,334 - Would you like me to come back? 180 00:14:52,417 --> 00:14:54,626 - Can I help you? 181 00:14:54,709 --> 00:14:56,459 Mary: I'm from the CDC, 182 00:14:56,542 --> 00:14:58,751 the Centers for Disease Control. 183 00:14:58,834 --> 00:15:00,375 Are you one of the interviews 184 00:15:00,459 --> 00:15:02,334 that Dr. Freedman-Kien set up for me? 185 00:15:02,417 --> 00:15:06,334 - I'm sorry--I'm just having a little spot looked at. 186 00:15:06,417 --> 00:15:09,876 - Oh, Gaetan Dugas, Dr. Mary Guinan. 187 00:15:09,959 --> 00:15:11,751 If you have a few minutes, it'd be very helpful 188 00:15:11,834 --> 00:15:12,918 if you'd talk to Dr. Guinan. 189 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,459 Gaetan: I'm sorry, 190 00:15:14,542 --> 00:15:17,459 but I'm barely going to make my plane as it is, 191 00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,709 if I'm lucky. 192 00:15:19,792 --> 00:15:21,083 I'm a flight attendant. 193 00:15:21,167 --> 00:15:23,000 - Well, would you mind answering a few questions 194 00:15:23,083 --> 00:15:24,584 while you're getting dressed? 195 00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:26,500 - What kind of questions? 196 00:15:26,584 --> 00:15:28,584 - I assume from what Dr. Freedman-Kien told me 197 00:15:28,667 --> 00:15:29,834 that you are gay. 198 00:15:29,918 --> 00:15:31,500 - Also homosexual. 199 00:15:31,584 --> 00:15:32,792 - [laughs] 200 00:15:32,876 --> 00:15:35,876 And how long have you been having sex with men? 201 00:15:35,959 --> 00:15:38,042 - [laughs] 202 00:15:38,125 --> 00:15:42,167 About ten years, I guess... - Ten-- 203 00:15:42,250 --> 00:15:43,500 - Openly. 204 00:15:43,584 --> 00:15:45,417 - And could you roughly approximate 205 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:48,584 how many sexual encounters you have in one year? 206 00:15:48,667 --> 00:15:50,459 - In a year? Mary: Mm-hm. 207 00:15:50,542 --> 00:15:53,834 - [scoffs] Are you ki-- you're serious? 208 00:15:53,918 --> 00:15:56,250 - Yes. - I don't know. 209 00:15:56,334 --> 00:15:57,292 - Roughly? 210 00:15:57,375 --> 00:16:01,876 - About, um... 211 00:16:01,959 --> 00:16:03,709 250. 212 00:16:03,792 --> 00:16:04,792 - 250. 213 00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:06,834 - Actually, now that I think of it, 214 00:16:06,918 --> 00:16:10,167 that would be a very conservative estimate. 215 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:13,042 Mary: And of these partners, how many-- 216 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:14,626 - Look, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 217 00:16:14,709 --> 00:16:18,042 I would love to chat forever about my sex life. 218 00:16:18,125 --> 00:16:21,042 And we could. If I don't leave this minute, 219 00:16:21,125 --> 00:16:22,667 I'm going to miss my plane. 220 00:16:22,751 --> 00:16:24,167 - Oh. - Maybe next time, huh? 221 00:16:24,250 --> 00:16:25,375 - Okay. - All right. 222 00:16:25,459 --> 00:16:26,667 Doctor, I'll call you next month. 223 00:16:26,751 --> 00:16:28,709 doctor: Fine. - All right. 224 00:16:30,876 --> 00:16:32,042 I look okay? 225 00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:33,375 - Great. - Of course I do. 226 00:16:33,459 --> 00:16:34,834 Thank you. Mary: Thank you. 227 00:16:34,918 --> 00:16:35,876 - Doctor. Mary: Bye-bye. 228 00:16:35,959 --> 00:16:37,417 - Bye-bye. doctor: Bye. 229 00:16:39,626 --> 00:16:42,000 Bill Kraus: Do you have many gay friends, Harold? 230 00:16:42,083 --> 00:16:43,459 - Not too many, no. 231 00:16:43,542 --> 00:16:44,876 Two doctors I knew in medical school. 232 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:46,334 I still stay in touch with them. 233 00:16:46,417 --> 00:16:47,542 - Are they a couple? 234 00:16:47,626 --> 00:16:49,709 - Yeah, actually, 15 years at least. 235 00:16:49,792 --> 00:16:51,417 - Kico and I-- Kico's my lover-- 236 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:53,000 we've got a wide circle of friends, 237 00:16:53,083 --> 00:16:54,959 and most of them are in relationships, 238 00:16:55,042 --> 00:16:56,876 or want to be in a relationship. 239 00:16:56,959 --> 00:16:58,459 - So, what are you saying? 240 00:16:58,542 --> 00:17:00,500 - Lots of men go to these bathhouses. 241 00:17:00,584 --> 00:17:02,876 But there are tens of thousands of gay men in this city, 242 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:04,209 maybe a couple of hundred thousand. 243 00:17:04,292 --> 00:17:06,584 They're just cops and waiters and teachers 244 00:17:06,667 --> 00:17:09,959 and lawyers and ditch diggers and athletes. 245 00:17:10,042 --> 00:17:11,292 - Bill--Bill, talk a little louder. 246 00:17:11,375 --> 00:17:13,209 They can't hear you down the block. 247 00:17:13,292 --> 00:17:15,626 - I'm sorry. I don't mean to lecture. 248 00:17:15,709 --> 00:17:16,834 I just don't want you to come away 249 00:17:16,918 --> 00:17:18,167 from your tour of the bathhouses 250 00:17:18,250 --> 00:17:20,375 thinking that's how all gay men live. 251 00:17:20,459 --> 00:17:23,292 - Last night we lost another one. 252 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:25,709 In less than three weeks, this handsome young guy 253 00:17:25,792 --> 00:17:27,542 turns into the Elephant Man, 254 00:17:27,626 --> 00:17:28,792 which we found out was caused 255 00:17:28,876 --> 00:17:33,042 by some rare parasite that only sheep get. 256 00:17:33,125 --> 00:17:34,959 So I called a vet 257 00:17:35,042 --> 00:17:38,292 to ask what they do when sheep get it. 258 00:17:38,375 --> 00:17:40,125 They shoot them. 259 00:17:40,209 --> 00:17:41,792 - Good luck. - Thanks. 260 00:17:41,876 --> 00:17:43,876 - Selma. - Bye, Bill. 261 00:17:48,792 --> 00:17:51,000 Hi. Selma Dritz, Department of Public Health. 262 00:17:51,083 --> 00:17:52,542 We're here to inspect the premises. 263 00:17:52,626 --> 00:17:54,167 - I'll see if I can find the boss. 264 00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:56,042 - Thanks. 265 00:17:58,959 --> 00:18:00,459 [sighs] 266 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,000 - Those two guys there-- they're strangers? 267 00:18:07,083 --> 00:18:08,959 Selma: Maybe. 268 00:18:09,042 --> 00:18:10,709 Probably. 269 00:18:10,792 --> 00:18:13,584 - They just met, and now they're gonna go in the... 270 00:18:13,667 --> 00:18:16,375 - Right. 271 00:18:16,459 --> 00:18:20,000 - It's interesting. 272 00:18:20,083 --> 00:18:21,334 Selma: Listen to me. 273 00:18:21,417 --> 00:18:25,250 Imagine yourself in a place like this, 274 00:18:25,334 --> 00:18:26,500 only it's filled with women. 275 00:18:26,584 --> 00:18:28,125 I mean really beautiful women. 276 00:18:28,209 --> 00:18:30,667 I mean, imagine one of those "Penthouse" women, 277 00:18:30,751 --> 00:18:32,375 and she wants to go into that little room with you, 278 00:18:32,459 --> 00:18:34,626 and there's nothing between you but a little towel. 279 00:18:34,709 --> 00:18:35,834 Are you gonna tell me 280 00:18:35,918 --> 00:18:37,292 that you wouldn't go into that little room 281 00:18:37,375 --> 00:18:41,042 and seriously consider dropping that little towel? 282 00:18:41,125 --> 00:18:42,500 - Possibly, yeah. 283 00:18:42,584 --> 00:18:43,667 - Yeah. 284 00:18:43,751 --> 00:18:46,459 I know men who would give up food for it. 285 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:48,542 Hi, Eddie. - Darling, how are you? 286 00:18:48,626 --> 00:18:50,000 - Good. 287 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,584 Eddie Papasano, Dr. Harold Jaffe 288 00:18:52,667 --> 00:18:54,167 from the Centers for Disease Control. 289 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:55,209 - Hi. - Hi. 290 00:18:55,292 --> 00:18:56,792 - So, what's the problem? 291 00:18:56,876 --> 00:18:58,709 - Well, there may be some kind of an epidemic spreading 292 00:18:58,792 --> 00:19:00,125 in the gay community, 293 00:19:00,209 --> 00:19:04,125 and I'd like to just come in and have a look around. 294 00:19:04,209 --> 00:19:05,667 - I'm sorry. That's impossible. 295 00:19:05,751 --> 00:19:07,876 We have to protect the confidentiality of our clients. 296 00:19:07,959 --> 00:19:10,834 - I know, but Eddie, you know that I speak on behalf 297 00:19:10,918 --> 00:19:12,334 of the Gay Liberation Committee, 298 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,959 the City Council, the State Assembly. 299 00:19:15,042 --> 00:19:17,417 I can tell you without fear of contradiction 300 00:19:17,500 --> 00:19:20,167 you are regarded second only to Abe Lincoln 301 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:21,834 as a citizen who would fight to the death 302 00:19:21,918 --> 00:19:23,709 to preserve civil liberties. 303 00:19:23,792 --> 00:19:25,167 So let's cut the crap. 304 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:28,167 It's ten o'clock in the morning, for God's sake. 305 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:29,584 Let us in. 306 00:19:29,667 --> 00:19:31,334 - Selma, only for you. 307 00:19:31,417 --> 00:19:32,751 - Thank you. - Thanks. 308 00:19:32,834 --> 00:19:34,709 - You're a real mensch, Eddie. 309 00:19:34,792 --> 00:19:36,584 - So, how many men come here a night? 310 00:19:36,667 --> 00:19:38,375 - Hundreds, every night of the week. 311 00:19:38,459 --> 00:19:40,709 Some bathhouses, more than a thousand. 312 00:19:46,459 --> 00:19:47,876 - What's this? 313 00:19:47,959 --> 00:19:50,918 Mary: Poppers. They're a quick, cheap high. 314 00:19:59,167 --> 00:20:01,876 - What are you doing here? 315 00:20:01,959 --> 00:20:03,209 - What are you doing here? 316 00:20:04,542 --> 00:20:06,209 - Oh, God, my wife's gonna kill me. 317 00:20:06,292 --> 00:20:09,042 Did you get the results on the amyl nitrite study? 318 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:12,042 - Yeah. 319 00:20:12,125 --> 00:20:14,375 You can forget about poppers. We ran every test there is. 320 00:20:14,459 --> 00:20:16,584 The worst thing that happened was two mice started dancing 321 00:20:16,667 --> 00:20:18,000 with a rubber glove. 322 00:20:20,751 --> 00:20:22,083 - Go home. 323 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:26,918 - So far, not one TV station has even mentioned it. 324 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,167 Not one word in the straight press--nothing! 325 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:31,334 The number of patients that I'm treating for it is 326 00:20:31,417 --> 00:20:33,417 growing so fast I don't even want to think about it. 327 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:34,834 I don't know why. 328 00:20:34,918 --> 00:20:36,167 I mean, is anything happening in Washington? 329 00:20:36,250 --> 00:20:37,834 Do these people even know it exists? 330 00:20:37,918 --> 00:20:39,709 - If they do, they don't discuss it. 331 00:20:39,792 --> 00:20:42,584 - When do you go back to D.C.? - Tomorrow. 332 00:20:42,667 --> 00:20:44,459 - Well, then that's the first thing we have to deal with. 333 00:20:44,542 --> 00:20:46,334 You just have to make people aware of it. 334 00:20:46,417 --> 00:20:47,584 - Well, how, Marc? 335 00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:48,834 The media all say the same thing: 336 00:20:48,918 --> 00:20:50,375 there's no story. 337 00:20:50,459 --> 00:20:52,459 One journalist said to me, "The only people interested 338 00:20:52,542 --> 00:20:54,626 "in reading about gay men dying are gay men 339 00:20:54,709 --> 00:20:57,083 and the ones who wish they'd all die." 340 00:20:57,167 --> 00:21:00,667 Marc: I'm late for a meeting. Bill Kraus: Good luck. 341 00:21:03,334 --> 00:21:05,209 If we don't get money for research, and soon-- 342 00:21:05,292 --> 00:21:06,918 a lot of it-- 343 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,250 God help everyone. 344 00:21:08,334 --> 00:21:09,542 - Okay, Marc. 345 00:21:17,709 --> 00:21:19,500 What is it? 346 00:21:19,584 --> 00:21:21,500 - Nothing. 347 00:21:25,209 --> 00:21:27,542 - Can't you tell me? 348 00:21:27,626 --> 00:21:29,709 - Look, you have things to do, 349 00:21:29,792 --> 00:21:31,125 and they're very important things, 350 00:21:31,209 --> 00:21:34,500 and I can't tell you not to do them. 351 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:37,167 I guess I'd hate you if you didn't do them. 352 00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:38,250 But I just want-- 353 00:21:38,334 --> 00:21:39,959 I just wish that we could-- 354 00:21:40,042 --> 00:21:41,626 I want us-- 355 00:21:41,709 --> 00:21:46,042 all I want is a place where we-- 356 00:21:46,125 --> 00:21:48,500 this isn't-- 357 00:21:48,584 --> 00:21:50,584 I don't know what I want. 358 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:58,751 - All right, what do we think? What do we know? 359 00:21:58,834 --> 00:21:59,792 What can we prove? 360 00:21:59,876 --> 00:22:01,250 - Zip. 361 00:22:01,334 --> 00:22:03,125 Jim: Only gays? - Think, but can't prove. 362 00:22:03,209 --> 00:22:05,167 - Only males? Harold: Think, but can't prove. 363 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:07,709 - The semen depositors. If it's in the semen, 364 00:22:07,792 --> 00:22:09,500 unless there's something specifically unusual 365 00:22:09,584 --> 00:22:11,167 about this disease, 366 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:13,417 it shouldn't make a difference where the semen is deposited, 367 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:15,250 whether in the anus or in the vagina, 368 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:18,083 which could mean that women will be getting it also. 369 00:22:18,167 --> 00:22:19,918 - That's a good point. You should focus on that. 370 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,292 - All we know so far is 371 00:22:21,375 --> 00:22:23,292 that the immune system stops functioning completely. 372 00:22:23,375 --> 00:22:24,459 - In all cases? 373 00:22:24,542 --> 00:22:27,334 - Know, but can't prove. 374 00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:28,918 - You know, what we have here looks 375 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,125 more like a sexually transmitted disease 376 00:22:31,209 --> 00:22:32,209 than syphilis does. 377 00:22:32,292 --> 00:22:34,334 - Think or prove? - I can't prove 378 00:22:34,417 --> 00:22:37,667 that the sun isn't gonna turn into a bran muffin next Tuesday, 379 00:22:37,751 --> 00:22:39,375 but after 20 years of doing this, I know what I know. 380 00:22:39,459 --> 00:22:41,042 - That's not what I'm talking about. 381 00:22:41,125 --> 00:22:42,709 - Don't say it. I know it's pure supposition, 382 00:22:42,792 --> 00:22:44,125 but it's more than strong enough 383 00:22:44,209 --> 00:22:46,000 to justify a definitive study. 384 00:22:46,083 --> 00:22:47,709 - I agree. - I agree with Bill. 385 00:22:47,792 --> 00:22:49,334 It's a single infectious agent 386 00:22:49,417 --> 00:22:51,584 with a high probability of sexual transmission. 387 00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:54,167 - Well then, viral or bacterial? 388 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:55,542 - If you skip "think" and "prove," 389 00:22:55,626 --> 00:22:56,918 I'd guess viral, but it's only a guess. 390 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:58,500 - A guess. - Definitely. 391 00:22:58,584 --> 00:23:00,667 - Okay, well, let's assume that it's a virus. 392 00:23:00,751 --> 00:23:03,125 - Now, the question is: is it one that we already know 393 00:23:03,209 --> 00:23:04,584 that has become lethal, 394 00:23:04,667 --> 00:23:06,125 or is this some kind of brand-new virus 395 00:23:06,209 --> 00:23:07,918 that we've never even seen before? 396 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,459 - Here's a little stat to chew on: 397 00:23:10,542 --> 00:23:12,292 in seven months, the number of cases jumped 398 00:23:12,375 --> 00:23:15,709 from 5 to 152 in 15 states. 399 00:23:15,792 --> 00:23:17,792 - Seven months? - Yeah, but the spooky part is 400 00:23:17,876 --> 00:23:20,626 that so far the mortality rate has been 40%. 401 00:23:20,709 --> 00:23:22,709 Mary: 40%? - And according to the doctors 402 00:23:22,792 --> 00:23:24,417 taking care of these patients, 403 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,792 the mortality rate could ultimately turn out to be 100%. 404 00:23:27,876 --> 00:23:29,292 - 100%. 405 00:23:30,792 --> 00:23:32,584 - My God. 406 00:23:41,083 --> 00:23:42,751 - All right, let's set up a case control study 407 00:23:42,834 --> 00:23:45,250 based on the premise that it's sexually transmitted. 408 00:23:45,334 --> 00:23:46,876 Don, I've been talking to the director. 409 00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:48,459 We want you to set up a lab here, run it, 410 00:23:48,542 --> 00:23:50,334 and handle the causative end of this study. 411 00:23:50,417 --> 00:23:51,834 If it's a bug, find it. 412 00:23:51,918 --> 00:23:53,792 I've just been given approval to have a task force 413 00:23:53,876 --> 00:23:54,876 for three months, which, 414 00:23:54,959 --> 00:23:56,334 if this disease is like any of the others, 415 00:23:56,417 --> 00:23:58,042 ought to be, you know, plenty of time. 416 00:23:58,125 --> 00:23:59,709 And, of course, no money, 417 00:23:59,792 --> 00:24:01,626 so we're gonna have to moonlight this epidemic. 418 00:24:01,709 --> 00:24:03,083 - What else is new? - That means I can't 419 00:24:03,167 --> 00:24:05,292 guarantee you a staff or equipment... 420 00:24:05,375 --> 00:24:07,500 - Trust him on this. Jim: Until I juggle the budget 421 00:24:07,584 --> 00:24:08,918 around a little bit. 422 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,292 - So, you gonna show him where the lab's gonna be? 423 00:24:10,375 --> 00:24:11,792 - You wanna see it right now? 424 00:24:11,876 --> 00:24:13,792 - Oh, I think you should, Jim. 425 00:24:13,876 --> 00:24:15,125 - Sure. Come on down. 426 00:24:15,209 --> 00:24:16,626 Harold: You got a flashlight, by the way? 427 00:24:16,709 --> 00:24:18,209 - It's not that bad. - You know, one of those 428 00:24:18,292 --> 00:24:20,375 miner's things with a little light in the middle. 429 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,000 - It's the only space we have left, 430 00:24:22,083 --> 00:24:24,042 so it's gonna look a little hopeless. 431 00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:26,209 - Only because it is. - No comment. 432 00:24:26,292 --> 00:24:31,375 It's--actually, it's bigger than it looks. 433 00:24:31,459 --> 00:24:34,834 Tom Spira, Paul Fiorino. Don Francis. 434 00:24:34,918 --> 00:24:37,250 - Oh, nice to meet you. - Hi, Don. 435 00:24:39,792 --> 00:24:43,167 - What is this? An incubator from the Smithsonian? 436 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:45,125 - [laughs] You know it too well. 437 00:24:45,209 --> 00:24:46,834 - Where's the CO2 attachment? 438 00:24:46,918 --> 00:24:49,500 - We had to put the CO2 tanks in the next room 439 00:24:49,584 --> 00:24:53,834 because we couldn't get approval for a real CO2 incubator. 440 00:24:53,918 --> 00:24:56,125 - Hopeless I can live with, but this is ridiculous. 441 00:24:56,209 --> 00:24:58,292 - Hey, watch out. 442 00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:02,334 [crowd cheering] 443 00:25:27,167 --> 00:25:30,209 [crowd roaring] 444 00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:36,417 - Look, stick around here. I might be coming right out. 445 00:25:54,042 --> 00:25:55,417 Dr. Mary Guinan, please. 446 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:56,709 - Your name? 447 00:25:59,375 --> 00:26:02,083 - I'm a friend of Dr. Conant's. 448 00:26:02,167 --> 00:26:04,876 - Your name. 449 00:26:04,959 --> 00:26:06,959 man: You can tell him. 450 00:26:07,042 --> 00:26:08,209 He has no idea who you are, 451 00:26:08,292 --> 00:26:10,876 and we'll pretend we never heard of you. 452 00:26:15,334 --> 00:26:16,375 - You guys ahead of me? 453 00:26:16,459 --> 00:26:18,959 - You can go ahead. We got nothing to do 454 00:26:19,042 --> 00:26:21,250 except go to a Halloween party. 455 00:26:21,334 --> 00:26:24,125 And you're in rehearsal. I know. 456 00:26:24,209 --> 00:26:27,834 It's tres gauche to fawn, but I happen to think you're a genius. 457 00:26:27,918 --> 00:26:29,083 I mean, a double genius, 458 00:26:29,167 --> 00:26:31,834 as a director and a choreographer. 459 00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:38,834 - Is that you? 460 00:26:38,918 --> 00:26:41,125 - Yeah. Bobbi Campbell, 461 00:26:41,209 --> 00:26:44,417 self-appointed KS poster boy. 462 00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:46,417 You look surprised. 463 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:50,459 - No, no. I'm...curious, maybe. 464 00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:52,167 - Well, you know, if the gay community doesn't 465 00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:53,459 start raising hell, 466 00:26:53,542 --> 00:26:56,125 do you think Reagan's gonna do a damn thing? 467 00:26:56,209 --> 00:26:58,584 - I wish I had your courage. 468 00:26:59,959 --> 00:27:03,083 - Courage? No. 469 00:27:03,167 --> 00:27:04,792 I'm scared to death. 470 00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:11,709 I just have this absurd determination to live. 471 00:27:11,792 --> 00:27:13,500 Don't you? 472 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,417 [knocking at door] 473 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,083 - It's open. 474 00:27:24,959 --> 00:27:26,250 - Dr. Guinan? 475 00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:27,709 - Yes. 476 00:27:27,792 --> 00:27:31,167 - Uh... [chuckles] 477 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:33,876 I'll tell you: I expected the neighborhood, 478 00:27:33,959 --> 00:27:35,834 the hotel, this room even, 479 00:27:35,918 --> 00:27:37,334 but I think it would take Fellini 480 00:27:37,417 --> 00:27:40,792 to cast such a beautiful young woman in a sweat suit 481 00:27:40,876 --> 00:27:42,292 as the doctor I'm supposed to reveal 482 00:27:42,375 --> 00:27:46,292 my most intimate sexual eccentricities to. 483 00:27:46,375 --> 00:27:47,334 - Hello. - Hi. 484 00:27:47,417 --> 00:27:48,584 - I'm Mary Guinan, 485 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,417 and the reason for the sweat suit is 486 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,000 somebody stole every piece of clothing I brought with me 487 00:27:53,083 --> 00:27:56,125 from the laundromat this morning. 488 00:27:56,209 --> 00:27:59,918 Um, would you mind signing these two consent forms? 489 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,834 One is for the questionnaire, 490 00:28:01,918 --> 00:28:05,500 and one is for the specimens I need to collect. 491 00:28:05,584 --> 00:28:07,584 - Which specimens? - Blood, urine, 492 00:28:07,667 --> 00:28:09,250 a swab from the inside of your mouth, 493 00:28:09,334 --> 00:28:10,751 and another from your rectum. 494 00:28:10,834 --> 00:28:12,876 In this study, some have the disease, 495 00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:15,626 and some, like you, have no symptoms. 496 00:28:15,709 --> 00:28:17,584 - Hm. 497 00:28:17,667 --> 00:28:19,667 [scoffs] 498 00:28:19,751 --> 00:28:23,375 You know, I really don't mind if you know all this about me. 499 00:28:23,459 --> 00:28:26,918 I'm just not too sure that I want to know. 500 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,626 Is there a name yet for this disease? 501 00:28:34,709 --> 00:28:38,459 - The gay press calls it gay pneumonia or gay cancer, 502 00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:41,417 and the straight press doesn't mention it at all. 503 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,792 - I was hung up in traffic coming over here. 504 00:28:56,876 --> 00:29:00,000 The gay-- gay Halloween parade was on. 505 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,876 Have you seen it? 506 00:29:01,959 --> 00:29:03,542 - I didn't know they had one. 507 00:29:03,626 --> 00:29:05,626 - [laughs] Yeah. 508 00:29:05,709 --> 00:29:06,709 Yeah, they do. 509 00:29:06,792 --> 00:29:08,834 It's really pretty amazing. 510 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,584 [dramatic music] 511 00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:21,709 ♪ 512 00:29:38,667 --> 00:29:41,292 The party's over. 513 00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:52,709 ♪ 514 00:30:13,375 --> 00:30:15,292 - You scared me. I'm sorry. 515 00:30:15,375 --> 00:30:17,292 - Jesus. - Sorry. Sorry. 516 00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:19,042 What is that? 517 00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:23,334 - It's today's figures. 518 00:30:23,417 --> 00:30:25,042 - No, no, no. 519 00:30:25,125 --> 00:30:27,584 "Butcher's..." 520 00:30:27,667 --> 00:30:29,375 - In the war against Napoleon, 521 00:30:29,459 --> 00:30:31,959 when Admiral Nelson wanted to know how many people were dead, 522 00:30:32,042 --> 00:30:33,375 he'd yell to his orderly, 523 00:30:33,459 --> 00:30:35,709 "What's the butcher's bill for today?" 524 00:30:37,083 --> 00:30:39,584 Jim: God. 525 00:30:39,667 --> 00:30:42,292 - We've injected Mary's samples into mice and rabbits 526 00:30:42,375 --> 00:30:44,459 and guinea pigs, and we're gonna try monkeys. 527 00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:47,000 So far, we haven't found any evidence of parasites, 528 00:30:47,083 --> 00:30:48,626 fungus, or viruses-- nothing. 529 00:30:48,709 --> 00:30:52,584 - You mean the case control study yielded zilch? 530 00:30:52,667 --> 00:30:55,125 - Yeah. All we know so far is that the disease is caused 531 00:30:55,209 --> 00:30:57,542 by some unknown organism or organisms, 532 00:30:57,626 --> 00:30:59,125 which we can't see or find. 533 00:30:59,209 --> 00:31:01,000 We don't know if it's a single agent 534 00:31:01,083 --> 00:31:02,334 or a combination of causes. 535 00:31:02,417 --> 00:31:04,000 We don't know how it's transmitted. 536 00:31:04,083 --> 00:31:05,792 We don't know-- [clattering] 537 00:31:05,876 --> 00:31:08,626 Don't touch that! 538 00:31:08,709 --> 00:31:10,667 Christ. Don't you know there's 539 00:31:10,751 --> 00:31:13,083 about a million things in there that could kill you? 540 00:31:21,167 --> 00:31:22,709 I'm sorry. 541 00:31:25,334 --> 00:31:27,834 [siren wails] 542 00:31:27,918 --> 00:31:31,042 - [speaking French] 543 00:31:59,667 --> 00:32:04,334 [both speaking French] 544 00:33:09,584 --> 00:33:12,209 - Politically, as far as the next election's concerned, 545 00:33:12,292 --> 00:33:15,334 we're not dead, but we're in a coma. 546 00:33:15,417 --> 00:33:18,334 - For 20 years I've built that coalition. 547 00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:20,500 So solid, nobody could touch me. 548 00:33:20,584 --> 00:33:21,834 - The only group you can count on 549 00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:23,209 to vote as a solid block, 550 00:33:23,292 --> 00:33:25,459 because it's literally life and death for them now, 551 00:33:25,542 --> 00:33:26,918 is the gay vote. 552 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,459 And San Francisco is probably the only city in the world 553 00:33:29,542 --> 00:33:31,375 where that group is big enough to swing the election. 554 00:33:31,459 --> 00:33:35,292 Without them, you're the ex-godfather of San Francisco. 555 00:33:35,375 --> 00:33:37,250 - What do they want? 556 00:33:37,334 --> 00:33:38,918 - Disability insurance for GRID, 557 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,209 if they get it, for one thing. 558 00:33:43,417 --> 00:33:46,334 Gay Related Immune Deficiency. 559 00:33:46,417 --> 00:33:48,375 And money, money, money for research. 560 00:33:48,459 --> 00:33:50,375 That is crucial. 561 00:33:50,459 --> 00:33:53,209 Nobody knows what's causing this thing. 562 00:33:53,292 --> 00:33:56,042 - I'll introduce a bill. 563 00:33:56,125 --> 00:33:57,375 But if all the angels came 564 00:33:57,459 --> 00:33:59,042 dancing down to Earth like the Rockettes, 565 00:33:59,125 --> 00:34:01,334 even they couldn't get a dime out of this administration 566 00:34:01,417 --> 00:34:03,626 for anything with the name "gay" on it. 567 00:34:06,292 --> 00:34:08,125 man: In New York today, President Reagan 568 00:34:08,209 --> 00:34:09,584 asked voters in Little Italy 569 00:34:09,667 --> 00:34:11,751 to support his economic recovery program. 570 00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:15,042 - I've never seen so many calories lined up in one... 571 00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:17,542 We have to turn the direction around 572 00:34:17,626 --> 00:34:18,792 that we've been going 573 00:34:18,876 --> 00:34:21,959 in order to end inflation, 574 00:34:22,042 --> 00:34:23,334 end unemployment, 575 00:34:23,417 --> 00:34:26,250 and get this country back where it should be 576 00:34:26,334 --> 00:34:28,000 in the eyes of the world. 577 00:34:28,083 --> 00:34:30,751 - But at year's end, it appears that there will be less money 578 00:34:30,834 --> 00:34:33,000 to spend for public health next year. 579 00:34:33,083 --> 00:34:34,584 - I'm sure there is one department 580 00:34:34,667 --> 00:34:37,751 you've been waiting for me to mention: 581 00:34:37,834 --> 00:34:39,042 The Department of Defense. 582 00:34:39,125 --> 00:34:42,417 It's the only department in our entire program 583 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:44,167 that will actually be increased 584 00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:46,542 over the present budgeted figure. 585 00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:49,751 [applause] 586 00:34:57,417 --> 00:35:00,250 - I don't suppose you heard back on the requisition I put in 587 00:35:00,334 --> 00:35:02,042 for an electron microscope. 588 00:35:02,125 --> 00:35:06,459 - Well, how can I put this to you diplomatically? 589 00:35:06,542 --> 00:35:08,167 - Not approved. - Not approved. 590 00:35:10,417 --> 00:35:12,375 - I don't know how I'm supposed to run this lab 591 00:35:12,459 --> 00:35:14,167 without the basic, fundamental-- 592 00:35:14,250 --> 00:35:15,584 every month, I write a memo asking, 593 00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:18,292 "Where's the $196,000 I need to run this lab?" 594 00:35:18,375 --> 00:35:19,834 I can't even get a simple yes or no. 595 00:35:19,918 --> 00:35:21,334 - I'm tired. I'm gonna go home. 596 00:35:21,417 --> 00:35:23,709 I'm gonna go to bed. And, really, 597 00:35:23,792 --> 00:35:27,125 I suggest you do the same thing, all right? 598 00:35:27,209 --> 00:35:28,292 - Not approved. 599 00:35:28,375 --> 00:35:29,834 woman: Dr. Curran? 600 00:35:29,918 --> 00:35:31,542 - Yeah? What is it? - Jeff called. 601 00:35:31,626 --> 00:35:35,167 There's been an outbreak among the Haitian population in Miami. 602 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:36,709 - [sighs] How many? 603 00:35:36,792 --> 00:35:38,542 woman: Four known dead, but they said 604 00:35:38,626 --> 00:35:40,751 that since most of them are hiding from Immigration, 605 00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:42,250 there could be dozens more. 606 00:35:42,334 --> 00:35:45,292 None of them were gay, he said. Just Haitians. 607 00:35:45,375 --> 00:35:47,292 - What do you mean, "just Haitians"? 608 00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,042 - That's what he said to ask you. 609 00:35:50,918 --> 00:35:53,250 - Okay. Thanks. 610 00:35:53,334 --> 00:35:56,500 Oh, boy. "Just Haitians." 611 00:35:56,584 --> 00:35:57,667 I don't know. 612 00:35:57,751 --> 00:35:59,375 This disease does not make any sense to me. 613 00:35:59,459 --> 00:36:02,334 I don't get it. It's completely off the wall. 614 00:36:02,417 --> 00:36:04,375 You know, a doctor in the Bronx has just announced 615 00:36:04,459 --> 00:36:07,459 that 11 newborn babies have got it. 616 00:36:07,542 --> 00:36:10,125 And now Haitians. 617 00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:12,667 It's not just a gay disease anymore. 618 00:36:13,959 --> 00:36:16,834 - The National Center for Disease Control is reporting 619 00:36:16,918 --> 00:36:19,918 more cases of two rare and deadly diseases 620 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,626 found in homosexual men. 621 00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:24,584 There is no apparent explanation for the outbreak, 622 00:36:24,667 --> 00:36:27,626 but health officials are urgently looking for an answer. 623 00:36:27,709 --> 00:36:30,250 man: It appeared a year ago in New York's gay community, 624 00:36:30,334 --> 00:36:33,667 then in the gay communities of San Francisco and Los Angeles. 625 00:36:33,751 --> 00:36:35,792 Now, its been detected in Haitian refugees. 626 00:36:35,876 --> 00:36:38,417 No one knows why. Specialists argue 627 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,334 that millions of dollars should be spent for research now. 628 00:36:41,417 --> 00:36:43,792 - Bobbi Campbell is fighting for his life. 629 00:36:43,876 --> 00:36:45,584 One of a rapidly growing group 630 00:36:45,667 --> 00:36:49,334 whose battle has fascinated and frightened modern medicine. 631 00:36:49,417 --> 00:36:51,375 He has Kaposi sarcoma, 632 00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:53,459 a deadly skin cancer that first appeared 633 00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:54,751 on the bottom of his feet 634 00:36:54,834 --> 00:36:56,626 as spots the size of a quarter. 635 00:36:56,709 --> 00:36:58,459 - When I first came down with the disease, 636 00:36:58,542 --> 00:37:01,042 I found this button 637 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:05,292 which absolutely reflected my position at the time. 638 00:37:05,375 --> 00:37:09,209 I may be down, but I'm not out. 639 00:37:09,292 --> 00:37:11,459 - Gay plague that's sweeping across our country. 640 00:37:11,542 --> 00:37:14,500 Say, God is not mocked. You can't fool God. 641 00:37:14,584 --> 00:37:16,083 You break all His laws, 642 00:37:16,167 --> 00:37:18,918 and God Almighty will judge you. 643 00:37:20,584 --> 00:37:22,667 [horns honking] 644 00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:27,626 - Hey, Don. - Hey, Dave. 645 00:37:27,709 --> 00:37:29,000 - Hey, Dr. Jaffe. 646 00:37:29,083 --> 00:37:31,918 - Listen--can I get, like, a really big chunk of meatloaf 647 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,167 with gravy and a couple of pickles? 648 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:36,334 - Absolutely. - Thanks. 649 00:37:45,125 --> 00:37:47,167 Hello? 650 00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,250 What's the matter? 651 00:37:52,334 --> 00:37:53,667 - What do we think? What do we know? 652 00:37:53,751 --> 00:37:55,375 What can we prove? 653 00:37:55,459 --> 00:37:56,626 I'm so sick of that. 654 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:59,125 I mean, the only thing we know for sure is 655 00:37:59,209 --> 00:38:00,542 that we don't know anything, 656 00:38:00,626 --> 00:38:03,209 which also happens to be the only thing we can prove... 657 00:38:03,292 --> 00:38:04,751 we think. 658 00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:08,334 Or do we know, or do we think we know? 659 00:38:08,417 --> 00:38:11,751 I don't know what the hell it is. It's-- 660 00:38:11,834 --> 00:38:14,250 - It's a jelly donut. 661 00:38:14,334 --> 00:38:16,375 - Oh, well, thanks, Harold. It's a jelly donut. 662 00:38:16,459 --> 00:38:17,417 - You're very welcome. 663 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,083 I owe you a buck and a quarter. 664 00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:25,167 [coins clink] 665 00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:28,334 [video game beeping] 666 00:38:56,292 --> 00:39:00,083 - Something's gobbling up the T cells. 667 00:39:00,167 --> 00:39:01,626 I'm telling you, Max, 668 00:39:01,709 --> 00:39:04,250 feline leukemia might be a clue. 669 00:39:04,334 --> 00:39:06,459 Really looks infectious to me, 670 00:39:06,542 --> 00:39:10,584 just like your favorite bug, the feline leukemia virus. 671 00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:13,626 Look, they both cause cancer, right? 672 00:39:13,709 --> 00:39:14,792 - Okay. 673 00:39:14,876 --> 00:39:17,250 - They both cause immune suppression. 674 00:39:17,334 --> 00:39:19,000 Something's gobbling up those T cells. 675 00:39:19,083 --> 00:39:20,125 Max: Okay. 676 00:39:20,209 --> 00:39:22,792 - They both have long incubation periods. 677 00:39:22,876 --> 00:39:24,209 - Suspect or know? 678 00:39:24,292 --> 00:39:26,834 These guys have had swollen lymph nodes, fevers, 679 00:39:26,918 --> 00:39:29,959 all sorts of things for years before they get Kaposi sarcoma. 680 00:39:30,042 --> 00:39:31,375 - Good. 681 00:39:31,459 --> 00:39:33,500 It's hardly scientific proof, but it's good. 682 00:39:33,584 --> 00:39:36,876 - All right, let's add hepatitis B. 683 00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:38,125 It causes cancer, right? 684 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:39,209 - Right. 685 00:39:39,292 --> 00:39:40,626 - Immune suppression? No. 686 00:39:40,709 --> 00:39:42,667 Has a long incubation period. 687 00:39:42,751 --> 00:39:46,125 Can take up to 30 years to give cancer to the liver. 688 00:39:46,209 --> 00:39:47,459 - Right. 689 00:39:47,542 --> 00:39:51,125 - Transmitted by sex? 690 00:39:51,209 --> 00:39:52,626 No. 691 00:39:52,709 --> 00:39:53,751 Yes. 692 00:39:53,834 --> 00:39:56,167 It all fits. 693 00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:57,417 It fits. 694 00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,125 The disease that we're looking for 695 00:39:59,209 --> 00:40:01,459 looks like a combination between feline leukemia 696 00:40:01,542 --> 00:40:03,042 and hepatitis B. 697 00:40:03,125 --> 00:40:05,751 So isn't it likely, Max, what we're looking for is 698 00:40:05,834 --> 00:40:07,083 some kind of new virus? 699 00:40:07,167 --> 00:40:10,209 Like the retrovirus that causes feline leukemia? 700 00:40:11,334 --> 00:40:13,042 - Possible. 701 00:40:13,125 --> 00:40:16,250 It's also possible that since your two fields of expertise are 702 00:40:16,334 --> 00:40:18,584 feline leukemia and hepatitis B, 703 00:40:18,667 --> 00:40:21,584 what looks like a scientific eureka 704 00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:25,000 might only be a case of wishful thinking. 705 00:40:26,083 --> 00:40:28,792 - It's possible. It's maybe likely. 706 00:40:28,876 --> 00:40:30,667 Max: Actually, it could be a retrovirus, 707 00:40:30,751 --> 00:40:32,626 in which case we need Bob Gallo. 708 00:40:32,709 --> 00:40:34,542 - Will we have to kiss his ring? 709 00:40:34,626 --> 00:40:36,209 Max: Probably. 710 00:40:36,292 --> 00:40:39,250 But here's a man who became world famous for having found 711 00:40:39,334 --> 00:40:42,792 the first human retrovirus, HTLV. 712 00:40:42,876 --> 00:40:46,751 But he still hasn't found a major illness to link it to. 713 00:40:46,834 --> 00:40:50,667 And if this turns out to be the one... 714 00:40:50,751 --> 00:40:54,334 - Then Bob Gallo gets the Nobel Prize. 715 00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:05,000 - [grunts] Shit! 716 00:41:05,083 --> 00:41:07,083 - Sorry, Dr. Gallo. 717 00:41:08,584 --> 00:41:12,209 - What are you sorry about? Winning? 718 00:41:12,292 --> 00:41:16,167 Never be sorry about winning. 719 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:19,000 When you don't get your promotion next month, 720 00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:21,417 that's when you should be sorry. 721 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:26,417 [both chuckle] 722 00:41:27,792 --> 00:41:29,792 - Dr. Gallo? Telephone. 723 00:41:35,125 --> 00:41:36,417 - Gallo here. 724 00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,334 - Bob, Max Essex. - Max, how are you? 725 00:41:39,417 --> 00:41:41,584 - Are you working on that new gay disease yet? 726 00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:43,542 - No, Max. - Well, Don Francis 727 00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:46,292 used to be my student-- he's with the CDC now-- 728 00:41:46,375 --> 00:41:48,167 and he's found enough evidence to suggest 729 00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:50,083 that it might be caused by some retrovirus 730 00:41:50,167 --> 00:41:53,083 possibly in the same family as yours. 731 00:41:53,167 --> 00:41:54,626 I'm gonna explore this with him, 732 00:41:54,709 --> 00:41:56,876 and I think it's something you ought to look into. 733 00:41:56,959 --> 00:41:59,083 Bob: Well, why don't you-- 734 00:41:59,167 --> 00:42:00,542 why don't you send me what you have, 735 00:42:00,626 --> 00:42:02,584 and I'll put somebody on it. 736 00:42:02,667 --> 00:42:04,042 Max: Excellent. 737 00:42:04,125 --> 00:42:06,500 Bob: Thanks for the call, Max. Bye. 738 00:42:08,918 --> 00:42:11,250 - What did he say? - We got it. 739 00:42:12,792 --> 00:42:14,626 - Jim, I got a call from LA. 740 00:42:14,709 --> 00:42:16,042 - Wait a minute. I'm on the phone. 741 00:42:16,125 --> 00:42:17,542 - I got a call from LA. 742 00:42:17,626 --> 00:42:19,500 This could be the first real lead 743 00:42:19,584 --> 00:42:21,709 to prove this thing is sexually transmitted. 744 00:42:21,792 --> 00:42:23,209 My plane leaves in 40 minutes. 745 00:42:23,292 --> 00:42:25,417 - We don't have the budget yet-- - No, don't sweat it. 746 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:28,792 I'll front the money. You'll pay me back. 747 00:42:28,876 --> 00:42:31,292 - Okay, well, if you think you have definitive proof 748 00:42:31,375 --> 00:42:34,834 it was brought in by a UFO, please send it in to us. 749 00:42:34,918 --> 00:42:36,417 Thank you. 750 00:42:38,292 --> 00:42:41,125 [siren wails] 751 00:42:44,751 --> 00:42:46,876 - 666. 752 00:42:46,959 --> 00:42:49,918 - Excuse me? 753 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,792 - That is my room number. 754 00:43:00,167 --> 00:43:04,083 That's when I called the Public Health Department... 755 00:43:05,751 --> 00:43:10,500 When I saw what room they put me in. 756 00:43:10,584 --> 00:43:12,000 But nobody will listen to me. 757 00:43:12,083 --> 00:43:15,083 Nobody listens in this place! 758 00:43:16,792 --> 00:43:19,834 [coughing] 759 00:43:21,584 --> 00:43:23,792 - I'll listen to you. 760 00:43:24,626 --> 00:43:26,334 That's why I'm here. 761 00:43:30,375 --> 00:43:36,000 - It all-- it all started with a barbecue. 762 00:43:37,626 --> 00:43:42,667 It was in the summer of 1980. 763 00:43:42,751 --> 00:43:45,542 We had it in our backyard. 764 00:43:45,626 --> 00:43:50,292 And it was just me and my lover 765 00:43:50,375 --> 00:43:54,167 and a gay couple from up the street. 766 00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:57,834 Now, one of them died 767 00:43:57,918 --> 00:44:02,500 on October 6, 1981. 768 00:44:02,584 --> 00:44:08,209 And one died on February 6, 1982. 769 00:44:08,292 --> 00:44:12,334 And the other one died on March 6, 1982. 770 00:44:12,417 --> 00:44:16,000 There are three sixes, you see? 771 00:44:16,083 --> 00:44:17,500 - Yes. 772 00:44:17,584 --> 00:44:20,876 Yes, now, all of them died of this new disease? 773 00:44:22,334 --> 00:44:23,834 - There are three sixes. 774 00:44:23,918 --> 00:44:26,584 There are three sixes, so I-- 775 00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:31,083 - Do you see any of the names of those men on this list? 776 00:44:31,167 --> 00:44:35,959 - October 6 is '81. 777 00:44:37,876 --> 00:44:41,417 February 6 is '82. 778 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,500 And March 6, '82. 779 00:44:47,417 --> 00:44:48,334 Wait-- 780 00:44:48,417 --> 00:44:50,542 - Good. Now... 781 00:44:50,626 --> 00:44:52,709 you had sex with all three of these men? 782 00:44:52,792 --> 00:44:55,250 - Listen. 783 00:44:55,334 --> 00:44:56,626 Can you hear that? - What? 784 00:44:56,709 --> 00:44:58,834 - Do you hear that? 785 00:44:58,918 --> 00:45:01,876 ♪ Da-dun da-dun-dun ♪ 786 00:45:01,959 --> 00:45:03,584 The music. 787 00:45:03,667 --> 00:45:04,918 ♪ Da-dum ♪ 788 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,709 It's playing-- it's playing upside down. 789 00:45:08,792 --> 00:45:12,584 It's instead of backwards means-- 790 00:45:12,667 --> 00:45:14,459 oh, oh, 791 00:45:14,542 --> 00:45:16,042 I'm number four on the list. 792 00:45:16,125 --> 00:45:19,667 I'm number four... and two makes-- 793 00:45:19,751 --> 00:45:23,626 Wait. Would you-- 794 00:45:23,709 --> 00:45:25,918 would you--would you-- 795 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,209 would you tell me the absolute truth? 796 00:45:29,292 --> 00:45:32,417 Would you? No matter how terrifying that may be? 797 00:45:34,083 --> 00:45:36,626 - I'll try to. 798 00:45:36,709 --> 00:45:41,042 - Does it make a difference if I was cremated? 799 00:45:42,876 --> 00:45:45,918 - I--I don't understand. 800 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,375 I'm sorry. 801 00:45:47,459 --> 00:45:50,500 [dramatic music] 802 00:45:50,584 --> 00:45:57,709 ♪ 803 00:45:58,959 --> 00:46:01,083 - [crying] 804 00:46:01,167 --> 00:46:05,125 man: Him, him, 805 00:46:05,209 --> 00:46:07,292 and him. 806 00:46:09,626 --> 00:46:11,667 And-- 807 00:46:15,209 --> 00:46:18,000 I miss him very much. 808 00:46:19,626 --> 00:46:22,959 - I am 32 years old, and I'm dying. 809 00:46:24,375 --> 00:46:26,584 Can you just leave me alone? [coughs] 810 00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:28,292 - I'm sorry. - Get him out of here! 811 00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:30,918 - Here's my card, if you-- - [coughing] 812 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,918 God damn it, Blaine, get him out of here! 813 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,792 [coughing] 814 00:46:35,876 --> 00:46:37,542 Bill Darrow: Sorry to bother you. 815 00:46:39,459 --> 00:46:41,626 - Mr. Darrow? 816 00:46:41,709 --> 00:46:43,292 I'm not his lover. 817 00:46:43,375 --> 00:46:45,709 I'm just a friend who takes care of him on Thursdays. 818 00:46:45,792 --> 00:46:49,375 We take turns in a buddy program. 819 00:46:49,459 --> 00:46:51,167 I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, 820 00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:56,584 but I think Greg got it from a man from New York. 821 00:46:56,667 --> 00:46:58,709 - You don't know a man from New York 822 00:46:58,792 --> 00:47:00,709 with a French Canadian accent, do you? 823 00:47:00,792 --> 00:47:03,500 Very handsome, I was told. Very chic. 824 00:47:03,584 --> 00:47:05,000 - I don't think so. 825 00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:08,334 I mean, I very seldom-- 826 00:47:08,417 --> 00:47:10,292 Wait a minute. 827 00:47:10,375 --> 00:47:12,500 This might help somebody else, right? 828 00:47:12,584 --> 00:47:14,209 - Right. 829 00:47:14,292 --> 00:47:15,584 - Of course I know him. 830 00:47:15,667 --> 00:47:17,083 From the bathhouses. 831 00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:18,751 I never had sex with him, 832 00:47:18,834 --> 00:47:22,751 but almost everybody I know has, or wants to. 833 00:47:22,834 --> 00:47:25,000 - I was so fond of him. 834 00:47:25,083 --> 00:47:26,584 Then again, he gave me hepatitis, 835 00:47:26,667 --> 00:47:29,500 so it's quite possible he gave me this, too. 836 00:47:31,626 --> 00:47:34,250 From the moment I first spied him at the tubs, 837 00:47:34,334 --> 00:47:36,209 I was so crazy about him. 838 00:47:36,292 --> 00:47:37,500 He was so gorgeous. 839 00:47:37,584 --> 00:47:40,918 - Can you just give me his phone number or address, 840 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,125 or anyway I can get a hold of him? 841 00:47:46,334 --> 00:47:48,292 - All I know is he's French Canadian, 842 00:47:48,375 --> 00:47:51,584 and he's an airline steward based in New York. 843 00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:53,542 I don't even know which airline. 844 00:47:53,626 --> 00:47:55,584 - That's okay. 845 00:47:55,667 --> 00:47:58,959 If you can just give me his name. 846 00:47:59,042 --> 00:48:01,334 - I called him Dougie. 847 00:48:01,417 --> 00:48:02,709 Nick--nickname. 848 00:48:02,792 --> 00:48:03,667 - Dougie. 849 00:48:03,751 --> 00:48:05,500 And his full name? 850 00:48:13,792 --> 00:48:15,292 Hi, Mary. 851 00:48:15,375 --> 00:48:16,584 - Hi. 852 00:48:16,667 --> 00:48:17,918 You back in town? 853 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,209 - No. Just for the night. 854 00:48:19,292 --> 00:48:21,876 I'm probably nuts, but I'm on my way to New York 855 00:48:21,959 --> 00:48:23,542 to try and find a very sexually active 856 00:48:23,626 --> 00:48:26,667 French Canadian airline steward. 857 00:48:30,959 --> 00:48:33,083 Gaetan Dugas? 858 00:48:33,167 --> 00:48:35,125 Bill Darrow. 859 00:48:35,209 --> 00:48:37,083 - Hello. 860 00:48:37,167 --> 00:48:38,626 Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 861 00:48:38,709 --> 00:48:39,876 - Sit down. 862 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,292 Take all the time you need. 863 00:48:41,375 --> 00:48:43,209 - Thank you. - Thank you. 864 00:48:45,417 --> 00:48:47,083 - Thanks very much for coming in. 865 00:48:47,167 --> 00:48:50,000 - Oh, well, I'm very flattered to be asked, 866 00:48:50,083 --> 00:48:53,000 although I have no idea what I'm here to discuss. 867 00:48:53,083 --> 00:48:54,876 Would it disturb you if I smoke? 868 00:48:54,959 --> 00:48:56,792 - If you need to, go ahead. 869 00:48:59,667 --> 00:49:01,292 Mr. Dugas, 870 00:49:01,375 --> 00:49:03,626 have you had sex with any of these people? 871 00:49:03,709 --> 00:49:05,250 - Is that what I'm here for? 872 00:49:05,334 --> 00:49:06,959 To talk about my beautiful lovers? 873 00:49:07,042 --> 00:49:08,959 [laughs] Now I am flattered. 874 00:49:09,042 --> 00:49:10,626 Although, if you don't mind my saying, 875 00:49:10,709 --> 00:49:13,626 I cannot possibly imagine why you'd be interested. 876 00:49:13,709 --> 00:49:15,959 - We've been finding substantial evidence to suggest 877 00:49:16,042 --> 00:49:18,584 that one of the ways this disease may be transmitted 878 00:49:18,667 --> 00:49:20,292 is sexually. 879 00:49:22,751 --> 00:49:25,250 - Now, wait a minute. 880 00:49:25,334 --> 00:49:27,209 Look, all I have is skin cancer, 881 00:49:27,292 --> 00:49:29,000 which is not contagious, and you know it. 882 00:49:29,083 --> 00:49:30,709 - No one's accusing you of anything. 883 00:49:30,792 --> 00:49:34,000 We just need to know as much as we can. 884 00:49:38,459 --> 00:49:40,876 - You know, I adore doctors, but I must say, 885 00:49:40,959 --> 00:49:43,125 if it is an epidemic, 886 00:49:43,209 --> 00:49:45,250 this gay plague thing, 887 00:49:45,334 --> 00:49:47,667 it's your fault for not stopping it, not mine. 888 00:49:47,751 --> 00:49:49,918 Bill Darrow: That's exactly what we're trying to do. 889 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,584 And we need everybody's help 890 00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:54,500 so if you could give me the names and addresses 891 00:49:54,584 --> 00:49:56,417 of all your lovers, 892 00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,250 and start with the people on this list, please? 893 00:49:59,334 --> 00:50:00,834 - [laughing] What? 894 00:50:00,918 --> 00:50:05,000 My friend, we're talking about thousands of men 895 00:50:05,083 --> 00:50:06,167 all over the world 896 00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:07,959 whose faces I cannot even remember, 897 00:50:08,042 --> 00:50:09,918 and you want names? 898 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,500 - Well, as many as you can remember would help. 899 00:50:12,584 --> 00:50:14,751 - My book's in my apartment. 900 00:50:14,834 --> 00:50:15,751 You call me, eh? 901 00:50:15,834 --> 00:50:18,292 Bill Darrow: What's the number? 902 00:50:18,375 --> 00:50:19,500 - I'll call you. 903 00:50:19,584 --> 00:50:21,209 - Listen. Help me, don't help me-- 904 00:50:21,292 --> 00:50:23,000 that's up to you, but don't fuck with me. 905 00:50:23,083 --> 00:50:25,000 I'm not playing games here. 906 00:50:32,542 --> 00:50:37,167 - Not before 6:00, and not after 6:30. 907 00:50:40,125 --> 00:50:41,542 - Thank you. 908 00:50:43,834 --> 00:50:46,709 - And remember something. 909 00:50:46,792 --> 00:50:49,083 Whatever it is, 910 00:50:49,167 --> 00:50:50,125 if I've got it, 911 00:50:50,209 --> 00:50:52,209 someone gave it to me. 912 00:50:53,709 --> 00:50:55,292 man speaking over PA: Train number 17 913 00:50:55,375 --> 00:50:57,751 with chair and sleeping car service 914 00:50:57,834 --> 00:50:59,876 to Albany, Syracuse... 915 00:51:02,042 --> 00:51:03,334 - Do you mind? 916 00:51:03,417 --> 00:51:04,626 - Sorry. 917 00:51:07,751 --> 00:51:10,042 - Whoa, whoa, whoa! This is important. 918 00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:11,834 - Not to me! 919 00:51:15,334 --> 00:51:17,459 - I've got to go. 920 00:51:17,542 --> 00:51:19,334 - Uh-uh! 921 00:51:24,167 --> 00:51:27,292 [overlapping chatter] 922 00:51:28,709 --> 00:51:31,500 Dugas: Hello? - Yes. Oh, hello. 923 00:51:31,584 --> 00:51:33,918 It's Bill Darrow from the CDC. 924 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,751 Dugas: Got plenty of paper? I've got 73 names. 925 00:51:37,834 --> 00:51:40,959 - 73--sure. Yeah. 926 00:51:44,667 --> 00:51:45,876 Uh-huh. 927 00:51:45,959 --> 00:51:48,000 All right, this is how it breaks down. 928 00:51:48,083 --> 00:51:50,125 This is Patient Zero, 929 00:51:50,209 --> 00:51:51,626 an airline steward from New York, 930 00:51:51,709 --> 00:51:54,584 and the starting point of this particular group. 931 00:51:54,667 --> 00:51:56,292 Now, these are the eight with whom he had 932 00:51:56,375 --> 00:51:57,584 direct sexual contact. 933 00:51:57,667 --> 00:52:00,417 These four in New York, these four in LA. 934 00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:01,667 This is LA Three. 935 00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:04,375 He had sex with LA Two, this man from Florida, 936 00:52:04,459 --> 00:52:07,083 who in turn had sex with this Florida man, 937 00:52:07,167 --> 00:52:10,459 two from Georgia, one from Texas, and so on. 938 00:52:10,542 --> 00:52:14,167 In all, 40 cases in 10 cities 939 00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:16,542 are verifiably linked to Patient Zero, 940 00:52:16,626 --> 00:52:20,542 which strongly suggests this is a sexually transmitted disease. 941 00:52:23,292 --> 00:52:25,500 - That's great. That's absolutely terrific work, Bill. 942 00:52:25,584 --> 00:52:29,042 - Bill, that is the first sign of real proof. 943 00:52:29,125 --> 00:52:30,667 Mary: Mm-hm. Dale: Good job. 944 00:52:30,751 --> 00:52:33,334 - Is there any indication why Patient Zero is still alive, 945 00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:35,709 and others in this cluster died almost immediately? 946 00:52:35,792 --> 00:52:40,167 - Well, we just have to assume a variable incubation period. 947 00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:41,834 - Yeah. - How many of these connections 948 00:52:41,918 --> 00:52:43,000 were made in bathhouses? 949 00:52:43,083 --> 00:52:46,834 - Most of them. - Most of them? 950 00:52:46,918 --> 00:52:49,417 We know what we have to do. We have to close the bathhouses. 951 00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,083 - The federal government doesn't have authority to do that. 952 00:52:53,167 --> 00:52:55,167 How soon before you can write up a full report? 953 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:56,834 - Four or five days. - Listen, Jim, 954 00:52:56,918 --> 00:52:58,834 I'm from the Bay Area-- I could just go up and start-- 955 00:52:58,918 --> 00:53:00,542 - Don--Don, could you stay out of this, please? 956 00:53:00,626 --> 00:53:02,709 It's not my decision what to do with this information, 957 00:53:02,792 --> 00:53:04,417 and it's certainly not yours. 958 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,417 Something this important has to go upstairs first, 959 00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:09,459 and based on what they recommend, 960 00:53:09,542 --> 00:53:11,125 we can act. 961 00:53:12,375 --> 00:53:14,417 - Are you saying that the public might not even be told 962 00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:16,626 what we just found out? 963 00:53:16,709 --> 00:53:19,167 - Are you saying this is or is not 964 00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:21,709 a sexually transmittable disease? 965 00:53:24,334 --> 00:53:26,500 - The existence of a cluster study 966 00:53:26,584 --> 00:53:28,542 provides evidence for an hypothesis 967 00:53:28,626 --> 00:53:31,125 that people in the study are not 968 00:53:31,209 --> 00:53:33,292 randomly associated with each other, 969 00:53:33,375 --> 00:53:35,250 and the study is a sexual cluster. 970 00:53:35,334 --> 00:53:37,209 On the other hand, we don't have enough scientific evidence 971 00:53:37,292 --> 00:53:39,792 to say for certain that one person gives it 972 00:53:39,876 --> 00:53:41,292 to another person. 973 00:53:41,375 --> 00:53:43,292 We have to focus much more research into this area 974 00:53:43,375 --> 00:53:46,334 so that we don't prematurely release information 975 00:53:46,417 --> 00:53:49,709 that's not validated. 976 00:53:49,792 --> 00:53:52,042 On the other hand, we're not holding back any information 977 00:53:52,125 --> 00:53:54,292 that might provide important health benefits. 978 00:53:55,834 --> 00:53:57,375 Thank you. 979 00:53:59,667 --> 00:54:00,918 Don: In a situation that might 980 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,500 cause the White House a little embarrassment, 981 00:54:02,584 --> 00:54:04,250 your idea is just to roll over and play dead. 982 00:54:04,334 --> 00:54:05,918 - All right, what is this? I am the bureaucratic whore-- 983 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,459 you're Lawrence of Arabia? 984 00:54:07,542 --> 00:54:09,083 You think I like doing everything that I have to do? 985 00:54:09,167 --> 00:54:10,751 - I don't know. Do you? - Look. One of my jobs is 986 00:54:10,834 --> 00:54:13,500 to make sure that I don't start a nationwide panic. 987 00:54:13,584 --> 00:54:15,209 - Is that worse than an epidemic? 988 00:54:15,292 --> 00:54:17,542 - I am not gonna make enemies of the people who can cut off 989 00:54:17,626 --> 00:54:19,459 what little funding that we have left. 990 00:54:19,542 --> 00:54:20,959 - Don, I am juggling a dozen balls here: 991 00:54:21,042 --> 00:54:22,125 political, bureaucratic, public. 992 00:54:22,209 --> 00:54:23,751 - What about science and medicine? 993 00:54:23,834 --> 00:54:26,125 - What I said in there was pure science, and you know it. 994 00:54:26,209 --> 00:54:28,375 Now, there is strong evidence, but there is nothing 995 00:54:28,459 --> 00:54:29,834 that we can prove scientifically, 996 00:54:29,918 --> 00:54:31,000 and without that, we're-- 997 00:54:31,083 --> 00:54:32,167 - You know it can take up to five years 998 00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:33,667 to establish scientific proof. 999 00:54:33,751 --> 00:54:35,334 How many people are gonna get sick in that time? 1000 00:54:35,417 --> 00:54:37,250 - Okay, fine. Let's just say that we get rid of the idea 1001 00:54:37,334 --> 00:54:38,292 of scientific proof. 1002 00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:39,542 What are you gonna replace it with? 1003 00:54:39,626 --> 00:54:42,667 The Ouija Board School of Epidemiology? 1004 00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:47,542 - When a house is on fire, 1005 00:54:47,626 --> 00:54:49,500 you don't wait for scientific proof. 1006 00:54:49,584 --> 00:54:50,876 You grab the first hose 1007 00:54:50,959 --> 00:54:53,375 and you start putting out the fire. 1008 00:55:05,626 --> 00:55:08,792 [indistinct chatter] 1009 00:55:10,292 --> 00:55:12,751 man: I never said that! You're putting words in my mouth. 1010 00:55:12,834 --> 00:55:14,209 [overlapping shouts] 1011 00:55:14,292 --> 00:55:16,375 man: Let me just say something. Pat, Listen to me. 1012 00:55:16,459 --> 00:55:18,083 [overlapping shouts] 1013 00:55:18,167 --> 00:55:20,626 - You keep saying community! Why would you-- 1014 00:55:20,709 --> 00:55:22,000 - Wait a second. - Great medical-- 1015 00:55:22,083 --> 00:55:23,584 - Community-- - If you can't organize 1016 00:55:23,667 --> 00:55:25,417 your own people, how do you expect-- 1017 00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:26,751 man: Just wait a second. 1018 00:55:26,834 --> 00:55:28,459 [overlapping conversations] 1019 00:55:28,542 --> 00:55:31,000 - I am just talking about a modern--hold on. 1020 00:55:31,083 --> 00:55:32,626 Just wait a second. 1021 00:55:32,709 --> 00:55:35,292 If somebody has-- somebody has to-- 1022 00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:38,417 - God damn it! Just shut the hell up. 1023 00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,626 My God. I can't believe that every time we have a meeting 1024 00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:42,250 in this town, we don't end in a brawl, 1025 00:55:42,334 --> 00:55:43,584 we start with one. 1026 00:55:43,667 --> 00:55:45,125 - In the first place, I don't have the power 1027 00:55:45,209 --> 00:55:46,417 to shut down the bathhouses. 1028 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:48,417 - Oh, Merv, as Director of Public Health, 1029 00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:49,834 you have the power to shut down anything 1030 00:55:49,918 --> 00:55:51,083 that threatens public health. 1031 00:55:51,167 --> 00:55:52,876 - According to the CDC press conference, 1032 00:55:52,959 --> 00:55:55,584 there's no compelling evidence that it's sexually transmitted. 1033 00:55:55,667 --> 00:55:58,000 - You know damn well if this epidemic was 1034 00:55:58,083 --> 00:55:59,542 killing grandmothers and virgins, 1035 00:55:59,626 --> 00:56:01,417 you'd have an army of investigators out there. 1036 00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:03,375 - Thank you. - Exactly! 1037 00:56:03,459 --> 00:56:04,709 This is San Francisco, 1038 00:56:04,792 --> 00:56:06,667 where "bathhouse" is not just a word-- 1039 00:56:06,751 --> 00:56:08,751 it is a symbol for sexual freedom. 1040 00:56:08,834 --> 00:56:09,876 - Thank you. - Right. 1041 00:56:09,959 --> 00:56:11,042 - I'm sorry. 1042 00:56:11,125 --> 00:56:12,792 If you want these bathhouses closed down, 1043 00:56:12,876 --> 00:56:14,667 the gay community is gonna have to help close them. 1044 00:56:14,751 --> 00:56:16,500 Good night. - That's it? 1045 00:56:16,584 --> 00:56:20,042 - No way he's gonna budge and commit political suicide. 1046 00:56:20,125 --> 00:56:22,083 And why should he, with the gay community 1047 00:56:22,167 --> 00:56:23,417 split right down the middle? 1048 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,292 - No, Selma, we are not split down the middle. 1049 00:56:25,375 --> 00:56:26,709 The vast majority of gay men are 1050 00:56:26,792 --> 00:56:28,667 in stable, monogamous relationships, 1051 00:56:28,751 --> 00:56:30,083 or they are looking to be. 1052 00:56:30,167 --> 00:56:31,626 They don't go to the bathhouses. 1053 00:56:31,709 --> 00:56:33,083 It's only the minority-- 1054 00:56:33,167 --> 00:56:34,500 okay, a vocal minority who do. 1055 00:56:34,584 --> 00:56:36,500 - If something isn't done about this epidemic, 1056 00:56:36,584 --> 00:56:37,792 they're dead. 1057 00:56:37,876 --> 00:56:39,918 The vocal minority, and a lot more besides. 1058 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,209 man: Just wait a second. Let me talk for a second. 1059 00:56:42,292 --> 00:56:45,459 [overlapping shouts] 1060 00:56:52,292 --> 00:56:55,751 Bill Kraus: Kico, 1061 00:56:55,834 --> 00:56:57,667 what's the matter? 1062 00:57:02,042 --> 00:57:06,209 - Um...um, there's been a-- 1063 00:57:07,834 --> 00:57:08,959 For a while now-- 1064 00:57:09,042 --> 00:57:11,000 - You don't have to tell me. - Yes, I do. 1065 00:57:11,083 --> 00:57:13,751 I've met someone. 1066 00:57:17,667 --> 00:57:19,626 He's an architect. 1067 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:35,250 It'd hurt something awful if you stopped being my friend. 1068 00:57:35,334 --> 00:57:38,500 - How could I stop being your friend? 1069 00:57:38,584 --> 00:57:40,918 [sighs] 1070 00:57:43,959 --> 00:57:46,918 [upbeat music] 1071 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,876 ♪ ♪ 1072 00:57:50,959 --> 00:57:53,209 man: Five, six, seven, eight. 1073 00:57:53,292 --> 00:57:59,709 ♪ ♪ 1074 00:57:59,792 --> 00:58:01,125 woman: Straight back. 1075 00:58:01,209 --> 00:58:04,375 ♪ ♪ 1076 00:58:04,459 --> 00:58:07,417 man: Four, five, six, seven, eight. 1077 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:08,834 Not bad. 1078 00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:12,334 ♪ ♪ 1079 00:58:12,417 --> 00:58:14,667 Uh-huh, uh-huh. woman: Good. 1080 00:58:14,751 --> 00:58:19,000 ♪ ♪ 1081 00:58:19,083 --> 00:58:21,918 - Four, five, six, seven, eight. 1082 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,375 ♪ ♪ 1083 00:58:28,459 --> 00:58:30,417 Hey, Doc. 1084 00:58:39,167 --> 00:58:41,250 Hey. - Hi. 1085 00:58:43,667 --> 00:58:45,667 - I'm really happy you could come. 1086 00:58:45,751 --> 00:58:47,709 - Well, thank you for asking. 1087 00:58:47,792 --> 00:58:50,626 - Well, you said you were gonna be in New York, so-- 1088 00:58:58,626 --> 00:59:01,959 I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific with you on the phone. 1089 00:59:12,626 --> 00:59:14,667 I think I got this thing. 1090 00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:23,417 I'm really scared. 1091 00:59:33,792 --> 00:59:35,751 Why--why am I so-- 1092 00:59:35,834 --> 00:59:39,792 why am I so afraid to tell anybody about this? 1093 00:59:45,626 --> 00:59:47,792 You know, I know how hard it is for you people 1094 00:59:47,876 --> 00:59:52,042 to get the kind of money you need to fight this thing. 1095 00:59:52,125 --> 00:59:55,667 So, I want to-- 1096 00:59:59,042 --> 01:00:00,292 You just use that wherever you think 1097 01:00:00,375 --> 01:00:03,209 it'll do the most good, all right? 1098 01:00:06,375 --> 01:00:08,292 - Thank you. 1099 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,834 - Get out of here. I got to get back to work. 1100 01:00:18,918 --> 01:00:25,959 ♪ ♪ 1101 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,042 [crowd chanting] We won't stop! We won't stop! 1102 01:01:06,125 --> 01:01:07,500 We won't stop! 1103 01:01:07,584 --> 01:01:08,751 - I'm Bill Kraus. 1104 01:01:08,834 --> 01:01:10,500 This could get you into trouble with the CDC, 1105 01:01:10,584 --> 01:01:11,709 couldn't it? 1106 01:01:11,792 --> 01:01:13,125 - Probably. 1107 01:01:13,209 --> 01:01:14,834 - As I tried to say on the phone, 1108 01:01:14,918 --> 01:01:16,918 the CDC caused chaos here. 1109 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,667 That press conference was so ambiguous 1110 01:01:20,751 --> 01:01:22,042 about sexual transmission, 1111 01:01:22,125 --> 01:01:26,042 the gay community is in complete turmoil. 1112 01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:27,417 Excuse me. 1113 01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:29,209 - [unintelligible] now! 1114 01:01:29,292 --> 01:01:32,417 [overlapping shouts] 1115 01:01:35,417 --> 01:01:38,876 - How much longer do you think we're gonna wait here? 1116 01:01:38,959 --> 01:01:42,125 [overlapping shouts] 1117 01:01:46,083 --> 01:01:47,959 - Let me tell you people something. 1118 01:01:48,042 --> 01:01:49,584 No matter what happens here today, 1119 01:01:49,667 --> 01:01:52,250 if you try to close my joint, I'll sue the ass off you. 1120 01:01:52,334 --> 01:01:53,751 - Doesn't it bother you knowing 1121 01:01:53,834 --> 01:01:55,792 that the people who have sex in your bathhouse are 1122 01:01:55,876 --> 01:01:57,125 playing Russian roulette? 1123 01:01:57,209 --> 01:01:59,292 - Please, let's cut out this bullshit. 1124 01:01:59,375 --> 01:02:02,125 We are all in this for one thing: money. 1125 01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:03,459 I make it when the guys come in. 1126 01:02:03,542 --> 01:02:06,918 You doctors, you make it when they go out. 1127 01:02:11,542 --> 01:02:12,542 [cheers and applause] 1128 01:02:12,626 --> 01:02:13,834 - How long are we gonna wait for him? 1129 01:02:13,918 --> 01:02:16,000 He's almost an hour late. Let's go. 1130 01:02:20,042 --> 01:02:21,918 - All right. Can we settle down please? 1131 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,083 Please, everybody settle down so we can start. 1132 01:02:25,167 --> 01:02:26,959 Thank you. Please. 1133 01:02:27,042 --> 01:02:29,459 So, while we're waiting for Dr. Silverman, 1134 01:02:29,542 --> 01:02:30,834 your Director of Public Health, 1135 01:02:30,918 --> 01:02:33,459 I've got some good news to report. 1136 01:02:33,542 --> 01:02:37,042 Not just here in San Francisco, but right across the country, 1137 01:02:37,125 --> 01:02:39,042 gay organizations are raising money 1138 01:02:39,125 --> 01:02:40,459 to fight this epidemic. 1139 01:02:40,542 --> 01:02:43,292 [applause] 1140 01:02:44,459 --> 01:02:46,834 I'd like to introduce now Dr. Don Francis 1141 01:02:46,918 --> 01:02:49,542 from the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, 1142 01:02:49,626 --> 01:02:51,834 who's been fighting this epidemic from the start. 1143 01:02:51,918 --> 01:02:54,083 Don. 1144 01:02:58,918 --> 01:03:01,209 - First of all, let me tell you that I'm not speaking on behalf 1145 01:03:01,292 --> 01:03:02,626 of the Centers for Disease Control. 1146 01:03:02,709 --> 01:03:04,500 I'm speaking for myself. 1147 01:03:04,584 --> 01:03:06,792 There may have been some confusion caused 1148 01:03:06,876 --> 01:03:09,459 by the way the information was distributed 1149 01:03:09,542 --> 01:03:11,125 about whether or not this disease is 1150 01:03:11,209 --> 01:03:13,959 sexually transmittable. 1151 01:03:14,042 --> 01:03:16,250 I'm here to give you the absolute truth 1152 01:03:16,334 --> 01:03:18,584 about what we've found. 1153 01:03:18,667 --> 01:03:20,709 First, 1154 01:03:20,792 --> 01:03:22,000 if you get this disease, 1155 01:03:22,083 --> 01:03:24,542 the chances are about 100% 1156 01:03:24,626 --> 01:03:26,667 that you're going to die. 1157 01:03:26,751 --> 01:03:29,709 Second, one of the ways that you can get this disease 1158 01:03:29,792 --> 01:03:33,375 is by having sex with somebody who already has it. 1159 01:03:33,459 --> 01:03:34,792 We have established 1160 01:03:34,876 --> 01:03:37,292 that most of the people who have this disease 1161 01:03:37,375 --> 01:03:39,167 got it in a bathhouse. 1162 01:03:39,250 --> 01:03:42,042 [crowd booing and shouting] 1163 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,417 In every city that we've-- 1164 01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:45,751 - Quiet down, please. 1165 01:03:45,834 --> 01:03:47,959 - Come on. That's a damn lie. 1166 01:03:48,042 --> 01:03:51,209 [crowd booing and shouting] 1167 01:03:54,125 --> 01:03:55,834 - We want the truth! 1168 01:03:55,918 --> 01:03:57,584 - One at a time, please. 1169 01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:00,667 Everyone will have a chance to speak. 1170 01:04:00,751 --> 01:04:02,959 Please, shut up. Shut up. 1171 01:04:03,042 --> 01:04:06,042 Shut the hell up. 1172 01:04:06,125 --> 01:04:07,834 - How can you say we get it from sex 1173 01:04:07,918 --> 01:04:10,709 when the CDC just said we don't get it from sex? 1174 01:04:10,792 --> 01:04:13,334 all: Yeah! [cheers and applause] 1175 01:04:13,417 --> 01:04:17,667 - This is another Reagan trick to shove us back in the closet. 1176 01:04:25,792 --> 01:04:28,209 - What about the bathhouses? 1177 01:04:28,292 --> 01:04:30,042 - Here's the man we've all been waiting for, 1178 01:04:30,125 --> 01:04:32,375 your Director of Health, 1179 01:04:32,459 --> 01:04:35,000 Dr. Mervyn Silverman. 1180 01:04:35,083 --> 01:04:36,709 - Let's go. Let's go. 1181 01:04:36,792 --> 01:04:39,751 - Since the reason for this meeting is 1182 01:04:39,834 --> 01:04:42,292 to discuss how we feel, who would like to-- 1183 01:04:42,375 --> 01:04:44,667 [overlapping shouts] - Close the tubs! 1184 01:04:44,751 --> 01:04:47,209 - Bobbi Campbell. Bobbi Campbell, go ahead. 1185 01:04:47,292 --> 01:04:48,876 Would you like to say something? 1186 01:04:48,959 --> 01:04:50,125 - Yeah, Bobbi! 1187 01:04:53,792 --> 01:04:56,292 - For years and years and years, 1188 01:04:56,375 --> 01:05:00,542 people in my hometown were telling me I was a freak 1189 01:05:00,626 --> 01:05:02,709 because of my sexual orientation, 1190 01:05:02,792 --> 01:05:05,417 until I came to San Francisco 1191 01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:08,918 and I found a community of freaks just like me! 1192 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,417 [cheers and applause] 1193 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:13,709 We stood together! We stood together! 1194 01:05:13,792 --> 01:05:15,626 And it took a long time, 1195 01:05:15,709 --> 01:05:18,751 but we finally forced this one tiny spot of the universe, 1196 01:05:18,834 --> 01:05:20,209 the Castro, 1197 01:05:20,292 --> 01:05:23,459 to realize that how we choose to have sex and where 1198 01:05:23,542 --> 01:05:25,584 is our own damn business! 1199 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,334 [cheers and applause] 1200 01:05:28,417 --> 01:05:30,834 Which I know, to people who haven't gone through 1201 01:05:30,918 --> 01:05:32,626 what we've gone through, sounds funny, 1202 01:05:32,709 --> 01:05:33,876 and they may laugh. 1203 01:05:33,959 --> 01:05:37,042 But I know, speaking for most of us, 1204 01:05:37,125 --> 01:05:39,667 I would rather die as a human being 1205 01:05:39,751 --> 01:05:42,334 than continue living as a freak. 1206 01:05:42,417 --> 01:05:45,584 [cheers and applause] 1207 01:05:47,083 --> 01:05:49,375 - Clearly, there's a lot of strong feeling on this subject. 1208 01:05:49,459 --> 01:05:50,876 - What good is all the gay rights in the world 1209 01:05:50,959 --> 01:05:52,375 if we're all dead? 1210 01:05:52,459 --> 01:05:53,834 Dr. Silverman: Before I make my decision, 1211 01:05:53,918 --> 01:05:55,459 I'd just like to put this to a vote. 1212 01:05:55,542 --> 01:05:57,334 All those who are in favor 1213 01:05:57,417 --> 01:05:58,876 of the city closing the bathhouses, 1214 01:05:58,959 --> 01:06:00,000 raise your hand. 1215 01:06:00,083 --> 01:06:02,167 - Close them down! - Close the tubs! 1216 01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:05,459 [men booing] 1217 01:06:08,459 --> 01:06:11,792 - All those who are in favor of keeping the bathhouses open, 1218 01:06:11,876 --> 01:06:13,667 raise your hands. 1219 01:06:15,542 --> 01:06:18,709 [overlapping shouts] 1220 01:06:22,792 --> 01:06:24,584 - I don't understand. 1221 01:06:24,667 --> 01:06:26,834 - They're human, Bill. 1222 01:06:26,918 --> 01:06:28,792 And they're scared. 1223 01:06:28,876 --> 01:06:31,918 [melancholy music] 1224 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:39,042 ♪ 1225 01:06:49,042 --> 01:06:51,459 man: Why? Why this happen? 1226 01:06:52,876 --> 01:06:56,667 You doctor! How you don't know? 1227 01:06:59,751 --> 01:07:01,083 ♪ 1228 01:07:01,167 --> 01:07:08,334 [woman muttering in native language] 1229 01:07:17,709 --> 01:07:21,584 [man and woman speaking French] 1230 01:08:12,542 --> 01:08:15,626 - [speaking French] 1231 01:08:20,584 --> 01:08:23,709 [man speaking French] 1232 01:09:35,667 --> 01:09:39,250 - Get this read within weeks, and quickly. 1233 01:09:41,626 --> 01:09:43,918 Just have Gallo report the detection of his virus, 1234 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,876 HTLV, in...what? 1235 01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:52,667 - It was the two East Coast homosexuals, Robert. 1236 01:09:52,751 --> 01:09:55,876 - Two East Coast homosexuals. 1237 01:09:55,959 --> 01:09:59,125 In this hour, right away, now, to "Science." 1238 01:09:59,209 --> 01:10:02,417 This is big. This is big. We finally got the big one. 1239 01:10:06,626 --> 01:10:08,375 All right, Mika. 1240 01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:10,876 Tell all our number one people to drop whatever they're doing 1241 01:10:10,959 --> 01:10:13,792 and get to work on this. 1242 01:10:13,876 --> 01:10:15,667 On this day, March...what? 1243 01:10:15,751 --> 01:10:16,876 - 3rd. 1244 01:10:16,959 --> 01:10:20,042 - Dr. Robert Gallo makes the first gigantic strides 1245 01:10:20,125 --> 01:10:21,626 in winning the...what? 1246 01:10:21,709 --> 01:10:24,250 The war, the battle? 1247 01:10:24,334 --> 01:10:25,459 - The war. 1248 01:10:25,542 --> 01:10:28,167 - Battle. 1249 01:10:28,250 --> 01:10:30,834 Against whatever the hell they call it now. 1250 01:11:23,542 --> 01:11:24,792 - Look what they're calling it. 1251 01:11:24,876 --> 01:11:28,959 "He died after another 'long illness.'" 1252 01:11:29,042 --> 01:11:31,584 It's so sad. 1253 01:11:32,918 --> 01:11:34,918 - This could be the first deadly epidemic in history 1254 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,709 of which nobody officially died. 1255 01:11:36,792 --> 01:11:38,000 - Yeah. 1256 01:11:38,083 --> 01:11:40,209 Harold: Hey, look at this. 1257 01:11:40,292 --> 01:11:41,876 Did you see this? 1258 01:11:41,959 --> 01:11:42,876 Look at this article. - Where? 1259 01:11:43,876 --> 01:11:45,209 - "In order to move quickly 1260 01:11:45,292 --> 01:11:47,042 "and take the lead in what seems likely to be 1261 01:11:47,125 --> 01:11:49,375 "a fierce scientific battle against GRID, 1262 01:11:49,459 --> 01:11:51,709 "Dr. Robert Gallo has formed a special unit 1263 01:11:51,792 --> 01:11:53,125 "of the National Cancer Institute 1264 01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:54,959 "to fight and win the battle against this disease 1265 01:11:55,042 --> 01:11:55,959 by the end of the year." 1266 01:11:56,042 --> 01:11:57,375 - What? - Hey! 1267 01:11:57,459 --> 01:12:00,500 Hot damn. We're in business. 1268 01:12:00,584 --> 01:12:01,751 - Don. 1269 01:12:01,834 --> 01:12:03,918 An IV drug user in New York-- 1270 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,250 I just got back-- 1271 01:12:05,334 --> 01:12:06,417 died from it. 1272 01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:09,083 - Gay? - A woman. 1273 01:12:09,167 --> 01:12:10,709 - It's in the blood supply. 1274 01:12:19,667 --> 01:12:21,584 Dale: How long has he been ill? 1275 01:12:21,667 --> 01:12:22,918 - He was born with it. 1276 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,334 Dale: No, no. I don't mean hemophilia. 1277 01:12:25,417 --> 01:12:30,500 He was doing fine until, well, recently, wasn't he? 1278 01:12:30,584 --> 01:12:32,417 - Well, he's crippled in one knee 1279 01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:34,250 because they couldn't stop the bleeding 1280 01:12:34,334 --> 01:12:35,584 until a few years ago, 1281 01:12:35,667 --> 01:12:39,834 when they came out with that new stuff. 1282 01:12:39,918 --> 01:12:41,167 Dale: Factor VIII. 1283 01:12:41,250 --> 01:12:42,626 woman: Now look at him. 1284 01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:45,626 He was doing fine just a few weeks ago. 1285 01:12:45,709 --> 01:12:47,876 - Did you happen to get a new supply of Factor VIII 1286 01:12:47,959 --> 01:12:49,876 about that same time? 1287 01:12:49,959 --> 01:12:53,209 - What is that, exactly? 1288 01:12:53,292 --> 01:12:54,417 Fake blood or something? 1289 01:12:54,500 --> 01:12:57,375 - No, no, no, it's-- it's real blood, 1290 01:12:57,459 --> 01:13:01,667 but they get it from thousands of different people 1291 01:13:01,751 --> 01:13:05,000 and put it through a lot of different filters 1292 01:13:05,083 --> 01:13:07,292 and take out things and add things to it 1293 01:13:07,375 --> 01:13:11,459 till all they've got is the clotting stuff 1294 01:13:11,542 --> 01:13:15,626 that makes you, well, stop bleeding. 1295 01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:20,459 - He was doing fine until a few weeks ago. 1296 01:13:20,542 --> 01:13:22,083 Dale: I'm really sorry about this, 1297 01:13:22,167 --> 01:13:25,334 but I've got some questions which are, well, 1298 01:13:25,417 --> 01:13:29,667 embarrassing, but I've got to ask them. 1299 01:13:32,876 --> 01:13:37,292 Has he ever had sexual contact with another man? 1300 01:13:37,375 --> 01:13:39,542 - I don't understand the question. 1301 01:13:39,626 --> 01:13:41,918 I mean, he's a man. 1302 01:13:42,042 --> 01:13:45,792 How can a man have sex with another man? 1303 01:13:49,417 --> 01:13:51,834 - I personally don't care 1304 01:13:51,918 --> 01:13:54,751 if these people were painted by Norman Rockwell. 1305 01:13:54,834 --> 01:13:57,375 We still have to prove the blood is contaminated. 1306 01:13:57,459 --> 01:13:59,626 We've got to prove it. What do we know? 1307 01:13:59,709 --> 01:14:01,667 What do we think? What can we prove? 1308 01:14:01,751 --> 01:14:03,000 - It is in Factor VIII. 1309 01:14:03,083 --> 01:14:04,209 - You think? - I know. 1310 01:14:04,292 --> 01:14:05,584 - Proof? - Well, we can't prove 1311 01:14:05,667 --> 01:14:07,375 anything is in the blood till we have a test. 1312 01:14:07,459 --> 01:14:09,417 - We can't develop a test until we find the virus. 1313 01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:10,918 - Yeah, assuming that it even is a virus. 1314 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,876 - Finding the virus with the equipment we've got? 1315 01:14:12,959 --> 01:14:14,542 You got a better chance of winning the Indy 500 1316 01:14:14,626 --> 01:14:15,918 with a pair of roller skates. 1317 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,792 - I'm sorry. What about Max Essex? 1318 01:14:17,876 --> 01:14:19,542 Does his-- is he finding anything out? 1319 01:14:19,626 --> 01:14:21,042 Don: He can't keep the cells alive long enough 1320 01:14:21,125 --> 01:14:22,459 to see if there is a virus. 1321 01:14:22,542 --> 01:14:23,709 - I hear the French have the same problem. 1322 01:14:23,792 --> 01:14:24,918 man: Yeah, so does Gallo. 1323 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,709 - Does anybody have anything positive? 1324 01:14:30,125 --> 01:14:32,042 - Well, we may be able to do something about the blood supply 1325 01:14:32,125 --> 01:14:34,042 even though we can't find the virus. 1326 01:14:34,125 --> 01:14:36,709 We know that the people that are getting this disease are 1327 01:14:36,792 --> 01:14:38,292 almost identical to the group of people 1328 01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:39,626 that are getting hepatitis B, 1329 01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:41,042 so we did an experiment. 1330 01:14:41,125 --> 01:14:43,918 We took the hepatitis B test and took blood samples 1331 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,542 from 60 gay men who've got it and 60 men who don't. 1332 01:14:47,626 --> 01:14:51,876 The test was 88% effective in detecting the disease. 1333 01:14:51,959 --> 01:14:53,667 Mary: Really? Dale: That is fantastic! 1334 01:14:53,751 --> 01:14:55,709 - Don! - I mean, if the blood banks can 1335 01:14:55,792 --> 01:14:57,834 weed out that many people who have the disease 1336 01:14:57,918 --> 01:15:00,083 before they donate blood-- -Exactly. Exactly! 1337 01:15:00,167 --> 01:15:01,667 - Wait. Wait, wait, wait. 1338 01:15:01,751 --> 01:15:05,125 Do all of you really believe that the blood industry is 1339 01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:07,792 gonna spend millions of dollars 1340 01:15:07,876 --> 01:15:10,918 on an idea that is scientifically radical as that? 1341 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,584 - It's not so radical, Jim, if you're a hemophiliac. 1342 01:15:13,667 --> 01:15:16,375 - Can we be realistic just for one second? 1343 01:15:16,459 --> 01:15:19,626 We have got to prove that it's even in the blood supply 1344 01:15:19,709 --> 01:15:21,250 before we get any action from those people. 1345 01:15:21,334 --> 01:15:23,083 - It is bound to turn up in the regular blood supply 1346 01:15:23,167 --> 01:15:24,584 sooner or later, 1347 01:15:24,667 --> 01:15:28,125 so I think what we should look at is transfusions. 1348 01:15:28,209 --> 01:15:31,250 In fact, if we can find one patient 1349 01:15:31,334 --> 01:15:34,125 who got the disease after getting a transfusion 1350 01:15:34,209 --> 01:15:36,250 what we need to do then is to look at the donors. 1351 01:15:36,334 --> 01:15:38,083 Check the donors, see if one of them has the disease 1352 01:15:38,167 --> 01:15:39,500 that gave him the blood. 1353 01:15:39,584 --> 01:15:42,209 If we can find that, we've made the connection. 1354 01:15:42,292 --> 01:15:43,959 Then all we've got to do is prove the patient 1355 01:15:44,042 --> 01:15:46,042 couldn't possibly have gotten it any other way. 1356 01:15:46,125 --> 01:15:47,584 - That's interesting. 1357 01:15:47,667 --> 01:15:48,709 - Interesting? 1358 01:15:48,792 --> 01:15:51,000 - Interesting? That's so obvious. 1359 01:15:51,083 --> 01:15:53,584 It's brilliant, Harold. Brilliant. 1360 01:15:54,626 --> 01:16:01,751 - [speaking Spanish] 1361 01:16:07,918 --> 01:16:11,250 - Terry Mack. - Dale Lawrence. 1362 01:16:11,334 --> 01:16:13,083 - He's had 12 donors, 1363 01:16:13,167 --> 01:16:14,876 all from the New York Blood Center. 1364 01:16:14,959 --> 01:16:17,083 Dale: Are you saying the New York Blood Center won't 1365 01:16:17,167 --> 01:16:19,459 give me a list of the donors? 1366 01:16:21,167 --> 01:16:23,083 The CDC is convinced 1367 01:16:23,167 --> 01:16:25,250 he could not have gotten the disease 1368 01:16:25,334 --> 01:16:26,459 from any other source 1369 01:16:26,542 --> 01:16:28,459 except the transfusions. 1370 01:16:28,542 --> 01:16:32,459 - The legal protection of donor confidentiality prevents me-- 1371 01:16:32,542 --> 01:16:34,125 - One of those donors has a disease 1372 01:16:34,209 --> 01:16:36,500 that's gonna kill the man who got that blood from you 1373 01:16:36,584 --> 01:16:37,667 to save his life, 1374 01:16:37,751 --> 01:16:39,334 and if we don't find that donor 1375 01:16:39,417 --> 01:16:41,000 before he donates more blood 1376 01:16:41,083 --> 01:16:42,459 and kills more people, then-- 1377 01:16:42,542 --> 01:16:45,751 - Unless there is irrefutable scientific evidence 1378 01:16:45,834 --> 01:16:48,334 that the alleged disease does in fact exist, 1379 01:16:48,417 --> 01:16:50,375 that it can be blood-borne, 1380 01:16:50,459 --> 01:16:53,959 and if so, has been proven to be transfusion-transmissible, 1381 01:16:54,042 --> 01:16:56,167 there is nothing I can do. 1382 01:17:01,042 --> 01:17:04,167 [child crying] 1383 01:17:11,292 --> 01:17:12,959 - Harold Jaffe, CDC. 1384 01:17:14,959 --> 01:17:18,042 - [whimpering] 1385 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,083 [child crying] 1386 01:17:29,751 --> 01:17:31,042 - Hi. - How do you do? 1387 01:17:31,125 --> 01:17:33,125 - Harold Jaffe. - Betsy Reisz. 1388 01:17:33,209 --> 01:17:34,417 - So it's true, huh? 1389 01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:36,918 Dr. Reisz: He was born here 20 months ago. 1390 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,334 An Rh baby. 1391 01:17:38,417 --> 01:17:40,250 Within a week, his entire blood volume 1392 01:17:40,334 --> 01:17:42,876 had been replaced six times. 1393 01:17:42,959 --> 01:17:45,167 Now he has zoster, 1394 01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:48,209 practically zero T cell count, 1395 01:17:48,292 --> 01:17:52,375 and more opportunistic disease than we know what do with. 1396 01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:53,918 - And he had 13 donors? 1397 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,250 - Mm-hm. All from Irwin Memorial. 1398 01:17:56,334 --> 01:17:57,500 That's all I could find out. 1399 01:17:57,584 --> 01:17:58,667 They keep a lid on the place so tight, 1400 01:17:58,751 --> 01:18:01,250 it's like the Pentagon. 1401 01:18:01,334 --> 01:18:04,834 So, forget about getting a list of donors from them. 1402 01:18:04,918 --> 01:18:08,042 - The first irrefutable case caused by transfusions, 1403 01:18:08,125 --> 01:18:10,292 and these people are stonewalling us. 1404 01:18:10,375 --> 01:18:11,250 - Mm-hm. 1405 01:18:11,334 --> 01:18:12,459 - You know what we need? 1406 01:18:12,542 --> 01:18:14,751 Somebody just to scare the hell out of them. 1407 01:18:14,834 --> 01:18:17,292 - Only Attila the Hun could. 1408 01:18:20,459 --> 01:18:22,083 - Selma Dritz! 1409 01:18:24,459 --> 01:18:25,834 [Selma laughing] 1410 01:18:25,918 --> 01:18:27,792 Harold: Well? - I got it. 1411 01:18:27,876 --> 01:18:29,709 But there's one problem. Well, two problems. 1412 01:18:29,792 --> 01:18:31,292 I'm freezing-- that's one problem. 1413 01:18:31,375 --> 01:18:33,000 Let's get some coffee. 1414 01:18:33,083 --> 01:18:37,083 One of the donors died from the disease two months ago, 1415 01:18:37,167 --> 01:18:38,459 but we can't prove it. 1416 01:18:38,542 --> 01:18:39,834 - What do you mean we can't prove it? 1417 01:18:39,918 --> 01:18:40,918 How can we not prove it? 1418 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,417 - He was from one of the richest, 1419 01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:45,292 most socially prominent families in town, 1420 01:18:45,375 --> 01:18:47,751 and he swore to his dying breath he wasn't gay. 1421 01:18:47,834 --> 01:18:49,334 - What's the difference what he said? 1422 01:18:49,417 --> 01:18:50,709 I mean, when somebody dies from this, 1423 01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:53,292 you can't exactly mistake it for whooping cough. 1424 01:18:53,375 --> 01:18:55,417 - According to his doctor, he died from encephalitis. 1425 01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,083 It's on his death certificate. 1426 01:18:57,167 --> 01:18:58,250 - All right, let's talk to the doctor. 1427 01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:00,834 - And get him to say what? He lied? 1428 01:19:00,918 --> 01:19:03,417 - Well, somewhere in this town, there's got to be somebody-- 1429 01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:05,375 a gay man he had sex with, or-- 1430 01:19:05,459 --> 01:19:06,375 what about his family? 1431 01:19:06,459 --> 01:19:07,751 Do they know? 1432 01:19:09,167 --> 01:19:10,959 - My brother wasn't gay. 1433 01:19:11,042 --> 01:19:13,709 And I can assure you no matter how hard you search, 1434 01:19:13,792 --> 01:19:15,542 you're not gonna find one shred of evidence 1435 01:19:15,626 --> 01:19:16,959 to suggest the contrary. 1436 01:19:17,042 --> 01:19:19,667 He was on the board of several corporations. 1437 01:19:19,751 --> 01:19:21,417 He was the chairman of the Fundraising Committee 1438 01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:22,959 for St. Patrick's. 1439 01:19:23,042 --> 01:19:25,125 He was meticulous. 1440 01:19:32,042 --> 01:19:35,667 He was meticulous in concealing his other life, 1441 01:19:35,751 --> 01:19:38,959 even from me. 1442 01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:42,876 Please don't ask me to betray him now. 1443 01:19:44,375 --> 01:19:46,626 - I'm very sorry. 1444 01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:48,959 But we're trying to stop an epidemic. 1445 01:19:49,042 --> 01:19:52,125 We know that this disease can be transmitted by gay sex. 1446 01:19:52,209 --> 01:19:53,918 We're trying to prove that it can also be transmitted 1447 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,292 by blood products. 1448 01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:57,542 Now, as you know, your brother was a blood donor. 1449 01:19:57,626 --> 01:20:02,417 And we know that at least one person who got his blood 1450 01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:04,667 got the disease. 1451 01:20:04,751 --> 01:20:09,125 ♪ 1452 01:20:09,209 --> 01:20:10,834 - If you can help us, 1453 01:20:10,918 --> 01:20:13,125 it would be completely confidential. 1454 01:20:14,584 --> 01:20:15,792 - I'm afraid I can't help you. 1455 01:20:15,876 --> 01:20:18,876 I really don't know anything myself. 1456 01:20:18,959 --> 01:20:23,250 Here's his stuff. Here's his mail. 1457 01:20:25,417 --> 01:20:27,500 Here's his address book. 1458 01:20:27,584 --> 01:20:30,167 You can look through it if you want. I have. 1459 01:20:30,250 --> 01:20:31,918 There's no one in there I don't know. 1460 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,000 There's nothing unusual. 1461 01:20:34,083 --> 01:20:38,667 I wish he would've told me, but he didn't. 1462 01:20:38,751 --> 01:20:40,083 - Look at this. 1463 01:20:40,167 --> 01:20:41,667 What about this entry? 1464 01:20:45,584 --> 01:20:47,626 - "Marc, Repairman"? 1465 01:20:55,626 --> 01:20:57,334 [phone line trills] 1466 01:20:57,417 --> 01:20:59,751 woman: Dr. Conant's office. - Is someone named Marc there? 1467 01:20:59,834 --> 01:21:02,626 woman: Yes, this is Dr. Marcus Conant's office. 1468 01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:05,292 May I help you? 1469 01:21:05,375 --> 01:21:06,876 - Sorry. Wrong number. 1470 01:21:10,751 --> 01:21:11,918 - Only for you, Selma. 1471 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,667 I was the secret doctor he came to 1472 01:21:14,751 --> 01:21:17,375 for those messy little problems he-- 1473 01:21:17,459 --> 01:21:21,209 he couldn't let his family physician know about. 1474 01:21:21,292 --> 01:21:25,959 In 1980, he had a case of KS, pneumocystis, 1475 01:21:26,042 --> 01:21:28,918 the whole bag of horrors. 1476 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,792 - Marc, thank you very much. I love you. 1477 01:21:33,876 --> 01:21:35,292 - Thanks a lot, Doctor. 1478 01:21:35,375 --> 01:21:39,375 All right, let the blood banks stonewall this one! 1479 01:21:39,459 --> 01:21:43,042 Jim: Excuse me. I would like to remind everyone-- 1480 01:21:43,125 --> 01:21:45,042 I'd like to remind everyone 1481 01:21:45,125 --> 01:21:47,083 that these are not regulations-- 1482 01:21:47,167 --> 01:21:49,000 these are not regulations from the CDC. 1483 01:21:49,083 --> 01:21:51,375 This is a workshop where every agency connected 1484 01:21:51,459 --> 01:21:53,751 to the blood industry can evaluate information 1485 01:21:53,834 --> 01:21:55,250 that the CDC has found. 1486 01:21:55,334 --> 01:21:57,959 And together, we are hoping to be able to arrive 1487 01:21:58,042 --> 01:21:59,417 at some course of action. 1488 01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:03,125 One option is to establish guidelines 1489 01:22:03,209 --> 01:22:04,626 to keep people who are at high risk 1490 01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:06,167 from donating blood to begin with. 1491 01:22:06,250 --> 01:22:08,417 - Banning homosexuals from giving blood 1492 01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:10,000 won't protect the blood supply. 1493 01:22:10,083 --> 01:22:12,834 What it will do is stigmatize them. 1494 01:22:12,918 --> 01:22:17,000 Reminds me of blood banks rejecting donations from blacks 1495 01:22:17,083 --> 01:22:19,334 for fear of syphilis. 1496 01:22:19,417 --> 01:22:21,500 - Have you any idea of the civil rights implications 1497 01:22:21,584 --> 01:22:22,542 of establishing such guidelines-- 1498 01:22:22,626 --> 01:22:23,834 - Civil rights, my ass. 1499 01:22:23,918 --> 01:22:25,375 My son's a hemophiliac, 1500 01:22:25,459 --> 01:22:27,918 and if homosexuals are infecting the blood supply, 1501 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,792 why not keep them from becoming donors? 1502 01:22:29,876 --> 01:22:31,375 - What do you mean? The entire gay community? 1503 01:22:31,459 --> 01:22:33,459 Then what? Separate drinking fountains? 1504 01:22:33,542 --> 01:22:35,417 One for gays, one for humans? 1505 01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:37,918 - Don't start that gay rights crap with me. 1506 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,167 There are 20,000 hemophiliacs in this country, 1507 01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:42,959 and GRID has become the second leading cause of death 1508 01:22:43,042 --> 01:22:44,125 amongst them. 1509 01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:45,876 We have rights, too, and one of them is 1510 01:22:45,959 --> 01:22:47,167 the right to stay alive. 1511 01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:49,459 - I know that we're dealing with a very complex 1512 01:22:49,542 --> 01:22:52,584 and a highly emotional issue, but it would help a lot if-- 1513 01:22:52,667 --> 01:22:54,500 - I wonder how you can expect us to be unemotional 1514 01:22:54,584 --> 01:22:57,042 when at least one person is dying every day 1515 01:22:57,125 --> 01:23:00,000 from a disease that doesn't even have a name? 1516 01:23:00,083 --> 01:23:03,250 Now, if the CDC can't bother to come up with a name, 1517 01:23:03,334 --> 01:23:07,209 at least it should stop the media from calling it GRID. 1518 01:23:07,292 --> 01:23:09,000 We have enough people hating gays 1519 01:23:09,083 --> 01:23:12,792 without having the entire stigma of this disease placed on us, 1520 01:23:12,876 --> 01:23:14,417 especially since it has been shown 1521 01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:18,000 that this disease is no longer merely gay-related. 1522 01:23:18,083 --> 01:23:21,626 Now I make a motion to officially call this disease 1523 01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:25,250 Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, 1524 01:23:25,292 --> 01:23:27,083 or AIDS. 1525 01:23:30,167 --> 01:23:32,709 - Questions or discussions on this issue, please? 1526 01:23:32,792 --> 01:23:34,417 woman: I second it. 1527 01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:37,167 - All right. All in favor of Dr. Voeller's motion? 1528 01:23:39,626 --> 01:23:41,417 And opposed? 1529 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:43,000 The motion's carried. 1530 01:23:43,083 --> 01:23:44,542 Dr. Bove? 1531 01:23:44,626 --> 01:23:47,834 - The FDA Advisory Panel to the blood banks feels 1532 01:23:47,918 --> 01:23:51,083 that the evidence for nearly all of this is inferential. 1533 01:23:51,167 --> 01:23:54,042 The CDC's evidence of blood transmission 1534 01:23:54,125 --> 01:23:55,334 cannot be warranted 1535 01:23:55,417 --> 01:23:58,167 until the CDC shows definitively 1536 01:23:58,250 --> 01:24:01,250 that an infectious agent causes this disease. 1537 01:24:01,334 --> 01:24:02,709 Nothing about it even exists 1538 01:24:02,792 --> 01:24:04,876 in the peer-reviewed medical literature. 1539 01:24:04,959 --> 01:24:06,459 Not one case. 1540 01:24:06,542 --> 01:24:09,375 Evidence of such blood transmission is lacking. 1541 01:24:09,459 --> 01:24:12,167 - May I point out that the blood industry is 1542 01:24:12,250 --> 01:24:14,083 under the jurisdiction of the FDA 1543 01:24:14,167 --> 01:24:15,834 and the FDA, according to Dr. Bove, 1544 01:24:15,918 --> 01:24:17,792 does not acknowledge that there is an epidemic, 1545 01:24:17,876 --> 01:24:21,375 because there is no evidence that it's a blood-borne disease? 1546 01:24:21,459 --> 01:24:24,584 - Suppose, for example, a small amount of blood, 1547 01:24:24,667 --> 01:24:27,459 by some unlikely chance, is contaminated. 1548 01:24:27,542 --> 01:24:30,584 With no test to find out which blood is safe and which isn't, 1549 01:24:30,667 --> 01:24:32,000 what do you suggest we do? 1550 01:24:32,083 --> 01:24:34,500 Destroy the entire blood supply in America 1551 01:24:34,584 --> 01:24:38,459 because some of it may or may not be contaminated? 1552 01:24:38,542 --> 01:24:43,042 - No, no. Well, in fact, testing is the second option 1553 01:24:43,125 --> 01:24:44,542 that we should discuss. 1554 01:24:44,626 --> 01:24:46,584 Now, we at the CDC have found-- 1555 01:24:46,667 --> 01:24:50,417 we have found that the hepatitis B test is 1556 01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:54,083 88% effective in identifying patients 1557 01:24:54,167 --> 01:24:55,375 with this disease. 1558 01:24:55,459 --> 01:24:57,042 - Is the CDC seriously suggesting 1559 01:24:57,125 --> 01:25:00,584 that the blood industry spend $100 million a year 1560 01:25:00,667 --> 01:25:02,292 to use a test for the wrong disease 1561 01:25:02,375 --> 01:25:05,751 because we've had a handful of transfusion fatalities 1562 01:25:05,834 --> 01:25:07,292 and eight dead hemophiliacs? 1563 01:25:07,375 --> 01:25:09,626 - How many dead hemophiliacs do you need? 1564 01:25:09,709 --> 01:25:13,334 How many people have to die to make it cost efficient 1565 01:25:13,417 --> 01:25:15,584 for you people to do something about it? 1566 01:25:15,667 --> 01:25:18,626 A hundred? A thousand? 1567 01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:21,083 Give us a number so we won't annoy you again 1568 01:25:21,167 --> 01:25:23,834 until the amount of money you begin spending on lawsuits 1569 01:25:23,918 --> 01:25:27,209 makes it more profitable for you to save people 1570 01:25:27,292 --> 01:25:28,709 than to kill them. 1571 01:25:28,792 --> 01:25:31,918 [crowd murmuring] 1572 01:25:47,125 --> 01:25:48,375 - The disease called AIDS, 1573 01:25:48,459 --> 01:25:50,542 Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, 1574 01:25:50,626 --> 01:25:53,167 sounds less than deadly, more like a diet pill. 1575 01:25:53,250 --> 01:25:54,834 - Medical researchers are warning... 1576 01:25:54,918 --> 01:25:57,334 - The risk of contracting the disease AIDS... 1577 01:25:57,417 --> 01:25:58,918 - Henry Piña, who has AIDS, 1578 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,834 got into a minor traffic accident, 1579 01:26:00,918 --> 01:26:03,834 so police called the Hazardous Materials Team. 1580 01:26:03,918 --> 01:26:07,250 man: The impact on blood banks could be disastrous. 1581 01:26:07,334 --> 01:26:09,500 woman: Doctors learned today that at least one 1582 01:26:09,584 --> 01:26:12,500 hemophiliac patient was given blood plasma 1583 01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:14,125 from a donor who died of AIDS. 1584 01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:17,792 - Possible association of AIDS and blood transfusion 1585 01:26:17,876 --> 01:26:20,834 is of the order of one in a million. 1586 01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:24,709 - Jim! Jim, I've been looking all over for you. 1587 01:26:24,792 --> 01:26:26,626 Listen, I just talked to Paul O'Malley. 1588 01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:28,334 He's wrapping up the hepatitis B study, 1589 01:26:28,417 --> 01:26:29,709 and listen to this: 1590 01:26:29,792 --> 01:26:32,709 12 of the first 24 cases of AIDS in this country 1591 01:26:32,792 --> 01:26:35,083 are men that we've been tracking for hepatitis B 1592 01:26:35,167 --> 01:26:36,918 every year since 1978. 1593 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,209 Look, we've been talking about using the hepatitis B test, 1594 01:26:40,292 --> 01:26:43,167 but we forgot about the hepatitis B study. 1595 01:26:43,250 --> 01:26:44,792 - Congratulations. 1596 01:26:44,876 --> 01:26:46,417 - You don't think this is important? 1597 01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,542 30,000 blood samples and detailed questionnaires 1598 01:26:49,626 --> 01:26:50,709 from 7,000 gay men 1599 01:26:50,792 --> 01:26:52,626 from five different cities, taken every year 1600 01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:55,500 since three years before the epidemic broke out. 1601 01:26:55,584 --> 01:26:57,500 We've got the whole natural history 1602 01:26:57,584 --> 01:26:59,209 of the AIDS epidemic in a freezer in Phoenix. 1603 01:26:59,292 --> 01:27:00,959 - I'm familiar with the study. And what you're saying is 1604 01:27:01,042 --> 01:27:02,834 we should pull all those blood samples and organize them. 1605 01:27:02,918 --> 01:27:04,459 - Exactly. I mean, who knows-- - And where are we gonna 1606 01:27:04,542 --> 01:27:05,751 get the money to do that, Don, huh? 1607 01:27:05,834 --> 01:27:07,459 - I don't know. Juggle it. Steal it. 1608 01:27:07,542 --> 01:27:08,959 - Juggle it? There's nothing to juggle or steal. 1609 01:27:09,042 --> 01:27:11,042 There's no money. None. 1610 01:27:11,125 --> 01:27:14,626 The $866,000 budget that we requested a year ago 1611 01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:16,751 for the task force still hasn't been approved, 1612 01:27:16,834 --> 01:27:18,459 so where the hell do you think we'll get all that money 1613 01:27:18,542 --> 01:27:20,167 to do a job as massive as all this? 1614 01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:21,834 - I don't know. That's your job. We've got to get the money. 1615 01:27:21,918 --> 01:27:23,292 - That's my job? How the hell am I supposed 1616 01:27:23,375 --> 01:27:24,918 to do my job, Don, with you running around 1617 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,918 shooting your mouth off? - What? 1618 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,918 - Your outburst at the blood bank meeting 1619 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,083 damaged the credibility of the CDC. 1620 01:27:48,125 --> 01:27:50,375 - The only way we are ever gonna get the blood banks 1621 01:27:50,459 --> 01:27:52,417 to start testing is if we can find somebody 1622 01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:55,792 with so much clout they've got God's unlisted phone number, 1623 01:27:55,876 --> 01:27:58,042 which these people do. 1624 01:27:58,125 --> 01:28:00,125 - Well, Jesus, this is proof. 1625 01:28:00,209 --> 01:28:01,792 Why haven't they sued somebody 1626 01:28:01,876 --> 01:28:03,417 or raised hell or done something? 1627 01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:07,417 - Publicity, litigation, pictures in the tabloids. 1628 01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,459 My dear young man, it simply is not done. 1629 01:28:10,542 --> 01:28:11,834 But if you can convince them 1630 01:28:11,918 --> 01:28:13,834 how many lives can be saved if they go public, 1631 01:28:13,918 --> 01:28:15,792 that comes under the heading of public service, 1632 01:28:15,876 --> 01:28:17,542 which they are very big on. 1633 01:28:17,626 --> 01:28:18,876 - If. 1634 01:28:18,959 --> 01:28:21,042 Might be of some assistance to us. 1635 01:28:21,125 --> 01:28:24,709 - I'm sorry, but I don't understand. 1636 01:28:24,792 --> 01:28:27,334 Complications of all kinds are quite common 1637 01:28:27,417 --> 01:28:29,250 after heart surgery. 1638 01:28:29,334 --> 01:28:33,167 What could my case possibly have to do with AIDS? 1639 01:28:35,834 --> 01:28:37,209 - They didn't tell you? 1640 01:28:37,292 --> 01:28:39,209 - Tell me what? 1641 01:28:39,292 --> 01:28:41,584 - We thought we'd heard everything. 1642 01:28:43,125 --> 01:28:45,417 - My God. 1643 01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:48,250 I'm sorry. I'm-- 1644 01:28:48,334 --> 01:28:49,959 [stammers] 1645 01:28:51,959 --> 01:28:53,000 Um... 1646 01:28:54,834 --> 01:28:59,167 I have here--I have here your medical records. 1647 01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:07,542 You're aware that during your surgery you were given 1648 01:29:07,626 --> 01:29:10,709 20 units of blood from Irwin Memorial? 1649 01:29:10,792 --> 01:29:13,083 - Mm-hm. 1650 01:29:13,167 --> 01:29:14,876 - We know that. 1651 01:29:15,918 --> 01:29:17,250 - And then when you started getting 1652 01:29:17,334 --> 01:29:21,417 all these bizarre diseases, one after another, 1653 01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:23,959 didn't your doctors tell you why? 1654 01:29:24,042 --> 01:29:27,375 - Well, we've had so many doctors. 1655 01:29:27,459 --> 01:29:31,417 - None of them had any specific explanation, 1656 01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:33,667 just severe complications... 1657 01:29:33,751 --> 01:29:36,250 - Complications. - Due to surgery. 1658 01:29:40,876 --> 01:29:43,792 - I have here a letter from one doctor to another 1659 01:29:43,876 --> 01:29:46,083 at the University of California Medical Center, 1660 01:29:46,167 --> 01:29:48,959 where you had your surgery. 1661 01:29:49,042 --> 01:29:53,500 "We have discovered that one of her blood donors 1662 01:29:53,584 --> 01:29:55,500 is an AIDS patient." 1663 01:30:07,834 --> 01:30:09,083 man: May I? 1664 01:30:16,667 --> 01:30:19,626 [melancholy music] 1665 01:30:19,709 --> 01:30:26,918 ♪ 1666 01:30:54,542 --> 01:30:57,250 - Shh, shh, shh. 1667 01:30:57,334 --> 01:31:00,834 man: [crying] woman: Oh, no, no, no. 1668 01:31:02,167 --> 01:31:09,375 ♪ 1669 01:31:10,626 --> 01:31:12,042 - Every blood bank in the country 1670 01:31:12,125 --> 01:31:14,250 has known for some time that some of the blood 1671 01:31:14,334 --> 01:31:17,584 that it has been using for transfusions is contaminated. 1672 01:31:21,459 --> 01:31:23,459 We've been unable to get them to start any testing 1673 01:31:23,542 --> 01:31:26,542 or to take any precautions whatsoever. 1674 01:31:26,626 --> 01:31:28,876 I'm really terribly sorry. 1675 01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:32,834 - Are you telling me 1676 01:31:32,918 --> 01:31:36,167 that they knew they were giving AIDS to people 1677 01:31:36,250 --> 01:31:38,417 and continued to do it? 1678 01:31:47,334 --> 01:31:50,000 - We've had extensive discussion on the subject, 1679 01:31:50,083 --> 01:31:51,292 and as of May 1st, 1680 01:31:51,375 --> 01:31:54,250 Irwin Memorial will begin testing for antibodies 1681 01:31:54,334 --> 01:31:57,250 to the core of the hepatitis B virus. 1682 01:31:57,334 --> 01:31:59,751 [all murmuring] - Good. 1683 01:31:59,834 --> 01:32:01,250 Good! 1684 01:32:01,334 --> 01:32:05,167 This is the test we've been urging you for a year to use 1685 01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:06,876 until a better test comes along. 1686 01:32:06,959 --> 01:32:08,417 - Not good. 1687 01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:11,167 That test is not totally effective. 1688 01:32:11,250 --> 01:32:14,417 And you're forcing the Red Cross to start using it, too, 1689 01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:16,918 or we can't compete. 1690 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,584 - Absolutely. We are not convinced 1691 01:32:18,667 --> 01:32:21,876 that it's transmitted by transfusion at all. 1692 01:32:21,959 --> 01:32:24,125 - Well, what does it take to convince you? 1693 01:32:24,209 --> 01:32:26,042 The CDC confirmed 1694 01:32:26,125 --> 01:32:29,667 that the number of transfusion cases has quadrupled 1695 01:32:29,751 --> 01:32:30,918 in the past eight months. 1696 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,417 - You know you can't prove that. 1697 01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:35,751 - Technically, you're right. 1698 01:32:35,834 --> 01:32:39,375 But 89% of severe hemophiliacs-- 1699 01:32:39,459 --> 01:32:41,000 the ones who got the most transfusions-- 1700 01:32:41,083 --> 01:32:42,459 have become infected. 1701 01:32:42,542 --> 01:32:44,959 89%. 1702 01:32:45,042 --> 01:32:49,083 I find it very hard to equate these figures 1703 01:32:49,167 --> 01:32:53,918 with a possible loss in revenue. 1704 01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,125 - I make a motion that the FDA regulations require 1705 01:32:57,209 --> 01:32:59,250 the hepatitis B test be used 1706 01:32:59,334 --> 01:33:01,667 to screen all blood and blood products 1707 01:33:01,751 --> 01:33:04,542 before they're used on patients. 1708 01:33:04,626 --> 01:33:06,876 - Second. 1709 01:33:06,959 --> 01:33:08,709 - In favor? 1710 01:33:09,792 --> 01:33:11,500 Opposed? 1711 01:33:13,584 --> 01:33:15,751 Motion not carried. 1712 01:33:18,167 --> 01:33:21,751 Let me ask you this: 1713 01:33:21,834 --> 01:33:25,292 when doctors start acting like businessmen, 1714 01:33:25,375 --> 01:33:28,876 who can the people turn to for doctors? 1715 01:33:35,751 --> 01:33:37,417 - Jesus. 1716 01:33:37,500 --> 01:33:40,584 - Every day I plan to buy some groceries. 1717 01:33:40,667 --> 01:33:43,167 - I drive by each night on my way home, 1718 01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:44,709 and no matter how late it is, 1719 01:33:44,792 --> 01:33:46,042 you're always up working. 1720 01:33:46,125 --> 01:33:48,209 You want pasta salad or melon? 1721 01:33:48,292 --> 01:33:49,542 Hm? Melon? Melon. 1722 01:33:51,918 --> 01:33:53,584 Anything new? 1723 01:33:53,667 --> 01:33:56,959 Any hope yet? Anywhere? Of anything? 1724 01:33:57,042 --> 01:33:59,667 - Reagan still hasn't said the word "AIDS" in public. 1725 01:33:59,751 --> 01:34:01,959 - I'm not asking about miracles here. 1726 01:34:03,834 --> 01:34:07,167 No, I think the only hope we have 1727 01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:09,626 is the election's coming up, 1728 01:34:09,709 --> 01:34:11,500 and with the whole country in a panic, 1729 01:34:11,584 --> 01:34:13,834 even the Moral Majority is on Reagan's ass 1730 01:34:13,918 --> 01:34:15,834 to do something really quick. 1731 01:34:15,918 --> 01:34:20,417 - Oh, sure he will. The same old political smoke and mirrors. 1732 01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:25,334 A friend of mine sneaked me a memo from the White House 1733 01:34:25,417 --> 01:34:28,918 claiming they've already spent $26 million on 1734 01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,834 "Studies relevant to patients with AIDS." 1735 01:34:32,918 --> 01:34:35,292 So, if they're spending $10 million 1736 01:34:35,375 --> 01:34:36,709 on research for the common cold, 1737 01:34:36,792 --> 01:34:38,834 they're calling that relevant to AIDS research 1738 01:34:38,918 --> 01:34:41,417 because in both cases, the immune system breaks down. 1739 01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:44,125 The truth is: out of that $26 million, 1740 01:34:44,209 --> 01:34:49,167 only $750,000 has actually been spent on AIDS research. 1741 01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:52,083 What happened to the rest, I have no idea. 1742 01:34:52,167 --> 01:34:53,959 [phone rings] 1743 01:34:54,042 --> 01:34:55,584 Hello? Don: It's Don Francis. 1744 01:34:55,667 --> 01:34:57,876 - Ah, Don. - Say, listen, 1745 01:34:57,959 --> 01:34:59,542 I know this is kind of a strange question, 1746 01:34:59,626 --> 01:35:01,209 but who do you know in Washington 1747 01:35:01,292 --> 01:35:03,375 that can get me an electron microscope? 1748 01:35:03,459 --> 01:35:04,459 Bill Kraus: Try Nancy. 1749 01:35:04,542 --> 01:35:06,292 - [laughs] 1750 01:35:10,292 --> 01:35:13,417 - [speaking French] 1751 01:35:54,083 --> 01:35:56,167 [machine beeps] - [speaks French] 1752 01:36:29,167 --> 01:36:31,918 - [speaks French] - [laughs] 1753 01:36:57,292 --> 01:37:00,000 - Bob? Montagnier. - Luc, how are you? 1754 01:37:00,083 --> 01:37:03,000 Luc: We tested our virus with your antibodies, 1755 01:37:03,083 --> 01:37:05,667 and we find the two not immunologically related. 1756 01:37:05,751 --> 01:37:07,500 - Really? Luc: I'm writing a paper 1757 01:37:07,584 --> 01:37:09,209 with all the details. 1758 01:37:09,292 --> 01:37:12,834 What we've found is a completely new retrovirus, 1759 01:37:12,918 --> 01:37:15,000 which we think is the AIDS virus. 1760 01:37:15,083 --> 01:37:17,876 - That's fascinating. 1761 01:37:17,959 --> 01:37:20,459 I just did a paper, too, for "Science." 1762 01:37:20,542 --> 01:37:22,417 It shows that my virus, HTLV, 1763 01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:25,334 is the most likely candidate for the AIDS virus. 1764 01:37:25,417 --> 01:37:27,334 Look, why don't you-- 1765 01:37:27,417 --> 01:37:28,751 why don't you send me your paper, 1766 01:37:28,834 --> 01:37:30,250 and I'll make sure it gets published 1767 01:37:30,334 --> 01:37:31,667 in the same issue as mine. 1768 01:37:31,751 --> 01:37:32,959 In fact, I'll even write the summary 1769 01:37:33,042 --> 01:37:35,000 to make sure it gets published. 1770 01:37:35,083 --> 01:37:38,042 And send me samples of your virus 1771 01:37:38,125 --> 01:37:40,417 as soon as you can, by courier. 1772 01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:42,042 I'll verify what you got, okay? 1773 01:37:42,125 --> 01:37:44,542 - Sure, Bob. Bob: Okay. Bye. 1774 01:38:23,918 --> 01:38:25,918 - Just got a call from Paris. They found the virus. 1775 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,125 - All right! [overlapping cheers] 1776 01:38:28,209 --> 01:38:29,709 Don: Found the virus! man: That's terrific. 1777 01:38:29,792 --> 01:38:32,500 Don: I just got a call. man: That's great! 1778 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,417 - I just got a call from Paris. 1779 01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:38,751 They think they've found the AIDS virus. 1780 01:38:38,834 --> 01:38:41,918 [cheers and applause] 1781 01:38:48,292 --> 01:38:51,667 So I need 30 coded samples on a plane to Paris tonight. 1782 01:38:51,751 --> 01:38:53,167 Can you do that? 1783 01:38:53,250 --> 01:38:55,417 - [breathing heavily] 1784 01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:18,209 [melancholy music] 1785 01:39:18,292 --> 01:39:25,459 ♪ 1786 01:39:28,918 --> 01:39:30,834 I'm sitting here in a complete stupor, 1787 01:39:30,918 --> 01:39:33,042 totally unable to comprehend 1788 01:39:33,125 --> 01:39:34,876 what kind of a cosmic joke this is 1789 01:39:34,959 --> 01:39:37,375 for me, the man they call a sexual Nazi 1790 01:39:37,459 --> 01:39:40,125 for preaching safe sex with such fire and brimstone 1791 01:39:40,209 --> 01:39:42,751 I was beginning to sound like Sadie Thompson. 1792 01:39:42,834 --> 01:39:45,459 No--not Sadie Thompson, the preacher. 1793 01:39:45,542 --> 01:39:46,792 Sadie Thompson was her name. 1794 01:39:46,876 --> 01:39:47,709 Rain, wasn't it? 1795 01:39:47,792 --> 01:39:50,042 The name of the-- 1796 01:39:50,125 --> 01:39:51,542 Oh, God, I'm babbling. 1797 01:39:51,626 --> 01:39:53,167 I can't stop. 1798 01:39:55,042 --> 01:39:56,709 How long does it take, do you think, 1799 01:39:56,792 --> 01:40:00,042 for it to really sink in that I've got it? 1800 01:40:02,083 --> 01:40:03,500 Maybe not-- 1801 01:40:09,667 --> 01:40:16,751 ♪ 1802 01:40:17,626 --> 01:40:19,250 - I'm sorry, Bill. 1803 01:40:19,334 --> 01:40:22,083 - God damn you! God damn you! 1804 01:40:22,167 --> 01:40:26,292 Why--why just can't this happen to somebody that you hate? 1805 01:40:26,375 --> 01:40:30,209 [breathing heavily] 1806 01:40:30,292 --> 01:40:33,042 - I'll leave you and Kico my house. 1807 01:40:33,125 --> 01:40:34,667 - What? - I'll put it in my will. 1808 01:40:34,751 --> 01:40:36,292 - I don't want to live with Kico. 1809 01:40:36,375 --> 01:40:38,584 He--I--he is completely irresponsible. 1810 01:40:38,667 --> 01:40:40,584 He's not gonna pay his half of the phone bill. 1811 01:40:40,667 --> 01:40:42,459 He wouldn't even--he would never take the garbage out 1812 01:40:42,542 --> 01:40:43,667 on Friday nights. 1813 01:40:43,751 --> 01:40:44,834 I mean, come on. 1814 01:40:44,918 --> 01:40:46,834 If that's the most that you have to leave me, 1815 01:40:46,918 --> 01:40:49,459 then to hell with you. 1816 01:40:49,542 --> 01:40:53,459 - [chuckling] - Live. Please. 1817 01:41:13,334 --> 01:41:14,959 - Anything? 1818 01:41:15,042 --> 01:41:18,626 - How can I-- how can I isolate this virus 1819 01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:20,834 if I just can't keep the cells alive? 1820 01:41:22,375 --> 01:41:24,584 How is it possible that in the first few months, 1821 01:41:24,667 --> 01:41:28,918 we found our virus in two men who had AIDS, 1822 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,834 and since then, we haven't found it in another case? 1823 01:41:31,918 --> 01:41:33,250 - I told you-- - Not one other case. 1824 01:41:33,334 --> 01:41:35,209 - I told you, both of those men had T cells. 1825 01:41:35,292 --> 01:41:36,626 - No, no. I don't wanna hear that. 1826 01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:38,209 - But you-- - I'm sorry. No. Listen to me. 1827 01:41:38,292 --> 01:41:40,292 I don't wanna hear it. - I'm giving you the-- 1828 01:41:40,375 --> 01:41:42,083 - Listen to me. Statistically, 1829 01:41:42,167 --> 01:41:45,417 what are the odds on finding two men with AIDS, 1830 01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:49,834 both of whom also have the same leukemia 1831 01:41:49,918 --> 01:41:52,417 which is so rare that it's hardly found in anybody. 1832 01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:53,959 I mean, that's ridiculous. - Fine, Robert. 1833 01:41:54,042 --> 01:41:55,209 - All right? - Robert, fine. 1834 01:41:55,292 --> 01:41:57,167 - Somebody in this lab made a mistake. 1835 01:41:57,250 --> 01:41:59,876 I want you to call up the French Institute 1836 01:41:59,959 --> 01:42:02,209 and get some more samples of their virus. 1837 01:42:02,292 --> 01:42:04,417 [phone rings] 1838 01:42:08,751 --> 01:42:10,125 - Popovic here. Yes? 1839 01:42:10,209 --> 01:42:12,209 Yes. Who's calling? 1840 01:42:14,292 --> 01:42:16,459 It's Dr. Essex for you. 1841 01:42:18,250 --> 01:42:19,584 - Yes. Max, how are you? 1842 01:42:19,667 --> 01:42:21,375 Max: How's it going? 1843 01:42:21,459 --> 01:42:24,459 Everybody keeps wondering when you're gonna publish. 1844 01:42:26,417 --> 01:42:30,083 - I have the cause of AIDS, but I-- 1845 01:42:33,125 --> 01:42:35,125 I just--the thing is 1846 01:42:35,209 --> 01:42:38,876 it comes from my-- my family of viruses. 1847 01:42:38,959 --> 01:42:40,709 That's definite. But I-- 1848 01:42:40,792 --> 01:42:42,584 you know, I may have something else, too. 1849 01:42:42,667 --> 01:42:44,834 I've got three different variants. 1850 01:42:44,918 --> 01:42:46,834 I can't analyze it yet, you know, 1851 01:42:46,918 --> 01:42:48,584 in a way that I'd want to put my name on it. 1852 01:42:48,667 --> 01:42:50,667 - What do you think the French have? 1853 01:42:50,751 --> 01:42:53,000 - How do you know they have anything? 1854 01:42:53,083 --> 01:42:54,918 - Don Francis sent them blind samples 1855 01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,334 to verify that their virus is the AIDS virus, 1856 01:42:57,417 --> 01:43:01,292 and they passed, almost 100%. 1857 01:43:01,375 --> 01:43:05,500 - Don Francis from the CDC sent the French samples? 1858 01:43:05,584 --> 01:43:06,918 The French? 1859 01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,751 - Are you upset? 1860 01:43:08,834 --> 01:43:09,709 - Upset? 1861 01:43:09,792 --> 01:43:11,042 No. [chuckles] 1862 01:43:11,125 --> 01:43:14,000 No. The French amuse me. 1863 01:43:14,083 --> 01:43:15,834 [chuckling] 1864 01:43:15,918 --> 01:43:17,542 You know, what I don't understand is 1865 01:43:17,626 --> 01:43:19,375 how somebody from my own side, 1866 01:43:19,459 --> 01:43:24,792 somebody, you know-- somebody from the US-- 1867 01:43:24,876 --> 01:43:26,083 Max, listen, I got to run. 1868 01:43:26,167 --> 01:43:29,250 Let me call you back as soon as I can, okay? 1869 01:43:29,334 --> 01:43:31,500 Okay, okay. Yeah. Bye. 1870 01:43:35,626 --> 01:43:37,125 Mary: All the interviews in LA. 1871 01:43:37,209 --> 01:43:39,709 Then, I bled 215 gay men 1872 01:43:39,792 --> 01:43:42,042 at the San Francisco Venereal Disease Clinic, 1873 01:43:42,125 --> 01:43:43,751 and using the T cell test, 1874 01:43:43,834 --> 01:43:46,542 found that 65% of them were abnormal, 1875 01:43:46,626 --> 01:43:49,334 and had no idea they had it. 1876 01:43:49,417 --> 01:43:50,459 No symptoms whatsoever. 1877 01:43:50,542 --> 01:43:52,125 - No symptoms? - No. Nothing. 1878 01:43:52,209 --> 01:43:54,167 It's like all the plagues in the history of the world 1879 01:43:54,250 --> 01:43:55,626 got squeezed into this one. 1880 01:43:55,709 --> 01:43:58,167 Worse. If you take Bill's cluster study 1881 01:43:58,250 --> 01:44:00,292 where sexual contact with one person 1882 01:44:00,375 --> 01:44:01,626 led to 40 people getting it-- 1883 01:44:01,709 --> 01:44:03,918 - And if each of those 40 give it to 40 others-- 1884 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,792 - You've got people who don't know they have the disease 1885 01:44:06,876 --> 01:44:07,876 giving it to other people 1886 01:44:07,959 --> 01:44:09,250 who don't know they have the disease 1887 01:44:09,334 --> 01:44:12,876 for up to six years. 1888 01:44:12,959 --> 01:44:17,042 - Don? Don, can I talk to you alone for a second, please? 1889 01:44:17,125 --> 01:44:19,292 - Yeah. What is it, Jim? 1890 01:44:19,375 --> 01:44:20,584 - I got a call from Gallo. 1891 01:44:20,667 --> 01:44:21,834 From now on, you can expect 1892 01:44:21,918 --> 01:44:23,834 practically no cooperation from him at all. 1893 01:44:23,918 --> 01:44:26,000 He's cut off your supply of reagents, 1894 01:44:26,083 --> 01:44:28,000 antibodies to the HTLV virus, 1895 01:44:28,083 --> 01:44:31,500 almost everything you need to function. 1896 01:44:31,584 --> 01:44:33,584 - Why? 1897 01:44:33,667 --> 01:44:35,375 - Did you send blind samples to the French 1898 01:44:35,459 --> 01:44:37,125 to test their virus? 1899 01:44:37,209 --> 01:44:39,167 - Yes. It's common courtesy. 1900 01:44:39,250 --> 01:44:41,375 - Tell that to Gallo. 1901 01:44:42,417 --> 01:44:49,542 ♪ 1902 01:45:05,626 --> 01:45:07,667 [phone ringing] 1903 01:45:18,500 --> 01:45:19,292 - Hello? 1904 01:45:19,375 --> 01:45:21,167 - Dr. Francis? 1905 01:45:21,250 --> 01:45:22,500 Don: Who's calling? 1906 01:45:22,584 --> 01:45:24,334 - Dr. Gallo. 1907 01:45:28,209 --> 01:45:29,959 - This is Dr. Francis. 1908 01:45:31,417 --> 01:45:33,209 - Congratulations. 1909 01:45:33,292 --> 01:45:35,626 Don: On what? 1910 01:45:35,709 --> 01:45:38,209 - For helping the French with the virus. 1911 01:45:39,918 --> 01:45:42,459 - What makes you think they didn't discover the virus? 1912 01:45:42,542 --> 01:45:46,000 - What makes you think I care? 1913 01:45:46,083 --> 01:45:48,876 - I don't understand the purpose of this call. 1914 01:45:50,500 --> 01:45:52,709 - That's the purpose of this call. 1915 01:46:02,959 --> 01:46:04,876 - Oh-- - Let me see. Let me see. 1916 01:46:04,959 --> 01:46:06,918 - Wait, wait, wait. - Let me see. 1917 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,542 - Oh, my God. 1918 01:46:08,626 --> 01:46:11,751 [chatter] 1919 01:46:13,626 --> 01:46:15,709 [knocking at door] 1920 01:46:15,792 --> 01:46:17,667 - It's open. 1921 01:46:48,042 --> 01:46:50,959 - [sobs] 1922 01:47:00,584 --> 01:47:03,667 [crying] 1923 01:47:05,500 --> 01:47:07,792 - It is now the country's number one health priority, 1924 01:47:07,876 --> 01:47:10,125 and tonight's science correspondent has the first 1925 01:47:10,209 --> 01:47:11,417 of two pieces on AIDS. 1926 01:47:11,500 --> 01:47:13,334 man: In San Francisco, police and firemen 1927 01:47:13,417 --> 01:47:14,834 were issued masks to wear 1928 01:47:14,918 --> 01:47:17,584 in case they have to resuscitate AIDS victims. 1929 01:47:17,667 --> 01:47:19,042 woman: In Coronado, California, 1930 01:47:19,125 --> 01:47:21,083 the city suspended first aid classes 1931 01:47:21,167 --> 01:47:23,500 because city employees feared catching AIDS 1932 01:47:23,584 --> 01:47:25,209 from the class mannequin. 1933 01:47:25,292 --> 01:47:26,918 And in San Jose, two nurses quit 1934 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,792 rather than treat AIDS patients. 1935 01:47:28,876 --> 01:47:30,292 man: In New York's prisons, 1936 01:47:30,375 --> 01:47:32,000 there have been several AIDS cases. 1937 01:47:32,083 --> 01:47:35,375 The prison guards are demanding special protective suits, 1938 01:47:35,459 --> 01:47:36,792 and the city's funeral directors are 1939 01:47:36,876 --> 01:47:38,959 refusing to embalm AIDS victims. 1940 01:47:39,042 --> 01:47:43,542 - I lost my job, my housing, I lost friends. 1941 01:47:43,626 --> 01:47:48,209 - It's not carried on the air. It's not like pneumonia. 1942 01:47:48,292 --> 01:47:50,209 And that's the message we got to get across. 1943 01:47:50,292 --> 01:47:54,459 - If the numbers stay in the general area that they are now, 1944 01:47:54,542 --> 01:47:57,584 I do not think this represents a great problem. 1945 01:48:01,667 --> 01:48:02,667 - Hey, Jim, you need a lift? 1946 01:48:02,751 --> 01:48:05,918 - Oh, hi. How you doing? 1947 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,500 You know, Gallo says that he's found the virus, 1948 01:48:08,584 --> 01:48:10,626 and he's got a blood test, too. 1949 01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:12,167 - He has a blood test or says he has a blood test? 1950 01:48:12,250 --> 01:48:13,709 - No, no. He's got it. He's got it. 1951 01:48:13,792 --> 01:48:15,834 He's passed both tests. 1952 01:48:15,918 --> 01:48:17,000 - Well, that's good news. 1953 01:48:17,083 --> 01:48:18,417 - No, it's not good news, Don, 1954 01:48:18,500 --> 01:48:20,459 because Gallo wants to take all the credit, 1955 01:48:20,542 --> 01:48:23,626 and he wants the patent for the NIH. 1956 01:48:23,709 --> 01:48:25,000 - If he does that, the French will sue. 1957 01:48:25,083 --> 01:48:27,083 - That's right. They're gonna sue. 1958 01:48:27,167 --> 01:48:30,792 So it'll probably take years before anything gets done. 1959 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,083 Drive carefully. 1960 01:48:34,167 --> 01:48:37,584 - It's why we do what we do. 1961 01:48:37,667 --> 01:48:40,667 It's the gift of time 1962 01:48:40,751 --> 01:48:46,042 and the smile of healthy children. 1963 01:48:48,209 --> 01:48:50,542 That's-- that's what this means to me. 1964 01:48:51,959 --> 01:48:54,834 And all I can-- 1965 01:48:58,125 --> 01:49:01,000 All I can say is thank you. 1966 01:49:01,083 --> 01:49:03,209 [applause] 1967 01:49:04,751 --> 01:49:06,375 man: Congratulations, Bob. 1968 01:49:06,459 --> 01:49:08,626 [applause continues] 1969 01:49:11,417 --> 01:49:13,417 - You need to talk to me. - Oh, I'm the needy one? 1970 01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:14,751 Nice try. 1971 01:49:14,834 --> 01:49:17,125 - The French had the virus a year and half ago. 1972 01:49:17,209 --> 01:49:19,834 - So? - They can prove it. 1973 01:49:19,918 --> 01:49:21,083 - Me, too. Times ten. 1974 01:49:21,167 --> 01:49:23,792 - In court. 1975 01:49:23,876 --> 01:49:25,042 - Did you like my phone call? 1976 01:49:25,125 --> 01:49:27,792 - No, but I'm beginning to understand it. 1977 01:49:27,876 --> 01:49:29,125 - If you understood it, you wouldn't be here. 1978 01:49:29,209 --> 01:49:30,792 - Look. We can play this any way you want: 1979 01:49:30,876 --> 01:49:34,042 charm, intimidation, or without the bullshit. 1980 01:49:34,125 --> 01:49:35,918 - All right, explain one thing to me. 1981 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:37,709 Ten times ten times ten 1982 01:49:37,792 --> 01:49:40,083 my name is in every book ever written 1983 01:49:40,167 --> 01:49:41,417 on the human retrovirus. 1984 01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:43,626 Why would you get in bed with the French instead of me? 1985 01:49:43,709 --> 01:49:44,918 - It's you against the French? 1986 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,083 I thought we were all against the virus. 1987 01:49:48,167 --> 01:49:50,209 If you go to court now, everybody loses. 1988 01:49:50,292 --> 01:49:52,125 You, the people who die while you quibble over credit-- 1989 01:49:52,209 --> 01:49:53,500 - What do you want? What do you want? 1990 01:49:53,584 --> 01:49:54,834 What do you want? Just tell me what you want. 1991 01:49:54,918 --> 01:49:56,417 - I want to stop you from turning a holocaust 1992 01:49:56,500 --> 01:49:58,500 into an international pissing contest. 1993 01:49:58,584 --> 01:50:00,334 - Oh, by letting them take all the credit? 1994 01:50:00,417 --> 01:50:01,834 - I talked to the French. They're willing 1995 01:50:01,918 --> 01:50:03,000 to settle this in private. 1996 01:50:03,083 --> 01:50:04,500 It's important we get together. 1997 01:50:04,584 --> 01:50:06,167 There can't be confusion among scientists 1998 01:50:06,250 --> 01:50:07,375 in the public. 1999 01:50:07,459 --> 01:50:08,500 But if you go to court now 2000 01:50:08,584 --> 01:50:09,876 when nobody's done a goddamn thing 2001 01:50:09,959 --> 01:50:12,125 to stop this epidemic-- 2002 01:50:14,167 --> 01:50:15,959 You do what you want. 2003 01:50:17,959 --> 01:50:19,125 I've said what I came here to say. 2004 01:50:19,209 --> 01:50:20,500 - I'm going to Switzerland. 2005 01:50:20,584 --> 01:50:23,709 April 1st, for a three-day conference. 2006 01:50:25,167 --> 01:50:27,876 I may or I may not stop in Paris on my way back. 2007 01:50:27,959 --> 01:50:32,334 If I do, it'll be on one condition: 2008 01:50:32,417 --> 01:50:34,167 I meet only with my peers. 2009 01:50:36,417 --> 01:50:38,459 - Who besides God qualifies? 2010 01:50:54,918 --> 01:50:56,250 - Gentlemen. 2011 01:50:56,334 --> 01:50:59,167 Francoise! 2012 01:50:59,250 --> 01:51:00,209 Good to see you. 2013 01:51:00,292 --> 01:51:01,709 You look wonderful! 2014 01:51:01,792 --> 01:51:02,918 Jean-Claude. 2015 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,209 - How are you? 2016 01:51:04,292 --> 01:51:05,250 - You lost some weight, huh? 2017 01:51:05,334 --> 01:51:08,834 You look good. You look good. 2018 01:51:08,918 --> 01:51:11,125 - Bob. - So good to see you again. 2019 01:51:14,667 --> 01:51:16,167 Don, hi. 2020 01:51:20,167 --> 01:51:22,209 - I've got the comparative serology results, 2021 01:51:22,292 --> 01:51:25,083 the EMs, the gels for the different proteins, 2022 01:51:25,167 --> 01:51:27,042 GP 120, 41, 24. 2023 01:51:27,125 --> 01:51:30,167 - Why don't you wait out in the hall? 2024 01:51:30,250 --> 01:51:32,334 I'll call you if I need you. 2025 01:51:35,209 --> 01:51:37,125 - What? - You don't think I'd 2026 01:51:37,209 --> 01:51:40,209 discuss anything with you in the room? 2027 01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:48,792 - That's fine. 2028 01:51:48,876 --> 01:51:55,918 ♪ 2029 01:51:58,083 --> 01:52:01,459 - So, you made some good progress, huh? 2030 01:52:01,542 --> 01:52:02,959 We did, too. 2031 01:52:17,918 --> 01:52:20,000 - Don, come in. 2032 01:52:31,584 --> 01:52:33,375 We've all agreed to write three papers 2033 01:52:33,459 --> 01:52:35,000 which will be published in the same issue 2034 01:52:35,083 --> 01:52:36,250 of "Science" magazine. 2035 01:52:36,334 --> 01:52:38,918 The CDC will do the serology paper, 2036 01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,334 Dr. Gallo will write the paper analyzing nucleic acids, 2037 01:52:42,417 --> 01:52:44,959 and we'll do the paper discussing the proteins. 2038 01:52:45,042 --> 01:52:48,167 - And we've all agreed to make a joint announcement together 2039 01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:50,667 and share the credit. 2040 01:52:50,751 --> 01:52:52,500 And we'll keep each other informed. 2041 01:52:58,626 --> 01:53:03,751 - From the first day that AIDS was identified in 1981, 2042 01:53:03,834 --> 01:53:08,125 HHS scientists and their medical allies 2043 01:53:08,209 --> 01:53:11,125 have never stopped searching for the answer 2044 01:53:11,209 --> 01:53:12,792 to the mystery of AIDS. 2045 01:53:12,876 --> 01:53:16,626 And not only have we found the cause to AIDS... 2046 01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:18,459 - Didn't she have her teeth done? 2047 01:53:18,542 --> 01:53:21,792 - But within six months, a blood test will be available. 2048 01:53:21,876 --> 01:53:25,792 And the man who discovered 2049 01:53:25,876 --> 01:53:30,626 the virus which causes AIDS-- 2050 01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:32,626 [clears throat] excuse me-- 2051 01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:36,876 is our eminent Dr. Robert Gallo. 2052 01:53:41,584 --> 01:53:44,000 - Thank you, Secretary Heckler. 2053 01:53:44,083 --> 01:53:48,751 I should start and be brief by saying 2054 01:53:48,834 --> 01:53:53,167 that there obviously are other major contributors. 2055 01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:57,042 And in our own group, I have to mention someone 2056 01:53:57,125 --> 01:54:00,500 who came to us from Czechoslovakia, 2057 01:54:00,584 --> 01:54:03,292 Dr. Mika Popovic. 2058 01:54:03,375 --> 01:54:05,375 A lot of this could not have been done 2059 01:54:05,459 --> 01:54:07,000 without the previous support 2060 01:54:07,083 --> 01:54:09,083 from the Cancer Institute 2061 01:54:09,167 --> 01:54:11,584 on the earlier HTLV isolates. 2062 01:54:11,667 --> 01:54:15,751 I've seen discussions about the work in Paris. 2063 01:54:15,834 --> 01:54:19,000 There was, there is not, 2064 01:54:19,083 --> 01:54:21,584 there never has been... [knocking at door] 2065 01:54:21,667 --> 01:54:25,751 Fights or controversies between us and the group in France. 2066 01:54:25,834 --> 01:54:27,209 I came back from a meeting 2067 01:54:27,292 --> 01:54:30,167 astonished to see this kind of discussion. 2068 01:54:30,250 --> 01:54:31,959 The laboratory at the Pasteur Institute 2069 01:54:32,042 --> 01:54:35,542 and my laboratory have been friends for about 15 years. 2070 01:54:35,626 --> 01:54:37,542 We are, in fact, collaborating. 2071 01:54:37,626 --> 01:54:39,083 - I can't watch. 2072 01:54:39,167 --> 01:54:40,876 - And what they had identified in "Science" a year ago 2073 01:54:40,959 --> 01:54:42,417 is the same... 2074 01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:43,792 - Phase One is finished. 2075 01:54:43,876 --> 01:54:47,292 We found the virus. We're working on a blood test. 2076 01:54:47,375 --> 01:54:50,626 This is my proposal for Phase Two: 2077 01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:52,542 prevention, education and cure. 2078 01:54:52,626 --> 01:54:54,459 If that goes through, 2079 01:54:54,542 --> 01:54:56,626 I wanna be transferred to San Francisco 2080 01:54:56,709 --> 01:55:00,918 and work on it from there. 2081 01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,375 - $37 million a year? 2082 01:55:03,459 --> 01:55:05,042 That's totally unrealistic. 2083 01:55:05,125 --> 01:55:06,500 - It's not unrealistic. 2084 01:55:06,584 --> 01:55:07,667 It's cheap. 2085 01:55:07,751 --> 01:55:09,542 It's about 15 cents per person 2086 01:55:09,626 --> 01:55:11,167 to make the entire population safer. 2087 01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:13,250 It's what's needed. Read the report. 2088 01:55:13,334 --> 01:55:15,000 - I'm sure it's what's needed, but you're not gonna get it, 2089 01:55:15,083 --> 01:55:17,584 and if you ask for this much, you'll get nothing. 2090 01:55:17,667 --> 01:55:19,542 - Try to refigure this for $4 to $5 million-- 2091 01:55:19,626 --> 01:55:22,167 - I'm not going to refigure it. It's an honest report. 2092 01:55:22,250 --> 01:55:23,500 I want you to send it in. 2093 01:55:23,584 --> 01:55:24,709 - Don, look. I'm trying to tell you 2094 01:55:24,792 --> 01:55:26,751 you're going about this the wrong way. 2095 01:55:26,834 --> 01:55:28,000 - It's cheap. 2096 01:55:28,083 --> 01:55:29,459 Wait a few years, and we'll be talking 2097 01:55:29,542 --> 01:55:32,834 about billions of dollars in healthcare. 2098 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,375 - I'll send it in. 2099 01:55:41,459 --> 01:55:42,792 [crowd chanting] Four more years. 2100 01:55:42,876 --> 01:55:45,959 Four more years. Four more years. 2101 01:55:46,042 --> 01:55:47,709 - Thank you. 2102 01:55:47,792 --> 01:55:49,292 Thank you all very much. 2103 01:55:49,375 --> 01:55:51,500 [crowd cheering] 2104 01:55:51,584 --> 01:55:57,083 It seems we did this four years ago, and-- 2105 01:55:57,167 --> 01:56:01,167 [cheers and applause] 2106 01:56:01,250 --> 01:56:04,834 Nancy and I would like to express-- 2107 01:56:04,918 --> 01:56:07,792 [crowd chanting] Nancy! Nancy! Nancy! Nancy! 2108 01:56:07,876 --> 01:56:10,918 Nancy! Nancy! Nancy! 2109 01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:14,334 - This is not a political issue. This is a health issue. 2110 01:56:14,417 --> 01:56:17,083 This is not a gay issue. This is a human issue. 2111 01:56:17,167 --> 01:56:19,167 - Had this disease afflicted children 2112 01:56:19,250 --> 01:56:21,209 or members of the Chamber of Commerce, 2113 01:56:21,292 --> 01:56:22,709 I'm sure the Reagan administration 2114 01:56:22,792 --> 01:56:24,626 would've been breaking down all doors 2115 01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:26,209 in order to push the government 2116 01:56:26,292 --> 01:56:28,042 on all fronts to deal with it. 2117 01:56:28,125 --> 01:56:30,000 - I came here today in the hope 2118 01:56:30,083 --> 01:56:32,000 that my epitaph would not read 2119 01:56:32,083 --> 01:56:34,459 that I died of red tape. 2120 01:56:34,542 --> 01:56:35,876 [crowd chanting] Four more years! 2121 01:56:35,959 --> 01:56:39,542 Four more years! Four more years! 2122 01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:51,709 ♪ 2123 01:57:42,417 --> 01:57:45,459 - Dave, can I get a coffee and a jelly donut? 2124 01:57:53,500 --> 01:57:56,626 Are you coming from work or going to work? 2125 01:57:56,709 --> 01:57:58,417 - Going to. 2126 01:57:58,500 --> 01:58:00,751 You? 2127 01:58:00,834 --> 01:58:02,876 - I couldn't sleep. 2128 01:58:05,500 --> 01:58:08,918 - I heard your Phase Two proposal was turned down. 2129 01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,500 Officially, "too expensive." Unofficially, they say-- 2130 01:58:12,584 --> 01:58:14,667 and they say this diplomatically-- 2131 01:58:14,751 --> 01:58:17,542 that you should look busy and do nothing. 2132 01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:22,834 - Was that meant to be diplomatic, 2133 01:58:22,918 --> 01:58:23,959 how you just told me? 2134 01:58:24,042 --> 01:58:27,500 - No. It was meant to sound angry. 2135 01:58:27,584 --> 01:58:29,709 - At me or at you? 2136 01:58:29,792 --> 01:58:32,042 - [scoffs] At me? 2137 01:58:32,125 --> 01:58:33,626 Why me? 2138 01:58:33,709 --> 01:58:37,125 Oh, I don't know. I guess, both, all right? 2139 01:58:37,209 --> 01:58:38,792 Both. 2140 01:58:38,876 --> 01:58:41,792 - You know, Jim, sometimes I look at you in awe and wonder. 2141 01:58:41,876 --> 01:58:43,459 I mean it. 2142 01:58:43,542 --> 01:58:44,834 How you wind your way 2143 01:58:44,918 --> 01:58:47,042 through miles of bureaucratic bullshit every day 2144 01:58:47,125 --> 01:58:48,667 and never get a single drop on you. 2145 01:58:48,751 --> 01:58:50,125 How do you do it? 2146 01:58:50,209 --> 01:58:52,000 - By not asking questions like that, for one thing. 2147 01:58:52,083 --> 01:58:54,209 Look. Insult me if you like, directly, 2148 01:58:54,292 --> 01:58:56,751 but don't insult both of us by trying to disguise this 2149 01:58:56,834 --> 01:58:58,584 as some kind of compliment. 2150 01:58:58,667 --> 01:59:00,876 - Insult you? How? 2151 01:59:00,959 --> 01:59:02,500 The awe and the wonder? 2152 01:59:02,584 --> 01:59:04,542 I mean it. 2153 01:59:07,792 --> 01:59:11,709 I asked the second floor for a transfer. 2154 01:59:11,792 --> 01:59:13,667 Could you help push it through? 2155 01:59:13,751 --> 01:59:15,918 - I already have. It's done. 2156 01:59:18,500 --> 01:59:20,792 - Really? 2157 01:59:20,876 --> 01:59:22,167 Where to? 2158 01:59:22,250 --> 01:59:23,918 - Well, how do you want this? Diplomatically? 2159 01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:25,751 - I've gotten used to angry. 2160 01:59:25,834 --> 01:59:28,042 - San Francisco. 2161 01:59:28,125 --> 01:59:30,083 - Reward or exile? 2162 01:59:35,876 --> 01:59:38,751 - If you hate it, why did you spend your entire career 2163 01:59:38,834 --> 01:59:40,334 working for the government? 2164 01:59:43,626 --> 01:59:45,375 - Remember what Willie Sutton said 2165 01:59:45,459 --> 01:59:47,375 when they asked him why he robbed banks? 2166 01:59:47,459 --> 01:59:49,584 "Because that's where the money is." 2167 01:59:49,667 --> 01:59:51,417 This is where the diseases are. 2168 01:59:52,751 --> 01:59:54,834 Bugs, bugs, bugs. 2169 01:59:57,918 --> 01:59:58,876 - You know, 2170 01:59:58,959 --> 02:00:03,000 sometimes I look at you with awe and wonder. 2171 02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,459 - Don? 2172 02:00:27,209 --> 02:00:28,459 [cork pops] 2173 02:00:28,542 --> 02:00:30,459 - Whoa. - There it is. 2174 02:00:30,542 --> 02:00:32,292 - Oh-- - Look at it. 2175 02:00:32,375 --> 02:00:34,500 - A little cake for the maverick among us. 2176 02:00:34,584 --> 02:00:37,918 - Something the boys in the retroviral lab whipped up. 2177 02:00:43,876 --> 02:00:46,834 - Don? Excuse me. Sorry. 2178 02:00:46,918 --> 02:00:49,042 Can I speak to you alone for a second, please? 2179 02:00:54,667 --> 02:00:56,751 I think you might need this. 2180 02:00:56,834 --> 02:00:58,918 [all laugh] 2181 02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:00,667 man: That's great. They're rose-colored. 2182 02:01:00,751 --> 02:01:01,876 That's great. 2183 02:01:01,959 --> 02:01:04,167 [laughter] man: Definitely you. 2184 02:01:04,250 --> 02:01:06,209 - Well done. - Looks good, Don. 2185 02:01:09,792 --> 02:01:10,959 - To Don Francis. - Yeah. 2186 02:01:11,042 --> 02:01:12,626 - Long may he live. - Here, here. 2187 02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:15,167 Jim: Speech? Dale: Say something. 2188 02:01:19,959 --> 02:01:21,375 - Luc? 2189 02:01:21,459 --> 02:01:24,167 [speaking French] 2190 02:01:50,292 --> 02:01:52,375 - Mm-hm. 2191 02:01:52,459 --> 02:01:54,626 Okay, Monsieur Gallo. 2192 02:02:14,083 --> 02:02:16,292 The genes of any two different isolates 2193 02:02:16,375 --> 02:02:18,334 of the same virus 2194 02:02:18,417 --> 02:02:20,834 are expected to deviate from each other, 2195 02:02:20,918 --> 02:02:23,751 usually by 6% to 20%. 2196 02:02:23,834 --> 02:02:25,292 The genetic sequence 2197 02:02:25,375 --> 02:02:30,542 of Dr. Gallo's HTLV III prototype isolate 2198 02:02:30,626 --> 02:02:35,459 varies from our virus, called LAV, 2199 02:02:35,542 --> 02:02:37,626 by less than 1%. 2200 02:02:37,709 --> 02:02:39,083 They are identical 2201 02:02:39,167 --> 02:02:41,083 to a degree that would not be anticipated 2202 02:02:41,167 --> 02:02:46,584 from any two isolates from the same family. 2203 02:02:46,667 --> 02:02:47,876 Thank you. 2204 02:02:47,959 --> 02:02:51,125 [crowd murmuring] 2205 02:02:52,626 --> 02:02:53,709 - Excuse me? 2206 02:02:53,792 --> 02:02:55,876 I'm not quite sure what he was saying. 2207 02:02:55,959 --> 02:03:00,375 The virus Gallo has is the same kind the French have? 2208 02:03:00,459 --> 02:03:04,083 - Not the same kind. It's the same virus exactly, 2209 02:03:04,167 --> 02:03:06,083 from the same patient. 2210 02:03:08,417 --> 02:03:11,500 [heart beating] 2211 02:03:13,375 --> 02:03:16,417 [quiet chatter] 2212 02:03:17,584 --> 02:03:20,626 [marching drums beating] 2213 02:03:29,626 --> 02:03:31,209 - [coughs] 2214 02:03:31,292 --> 02:03:32,709 - You okay? 2215 02:03:33,834 --> 02:03:36,667 - [coughing] - Sit down. 2216 02:03:37,792 --> 02:03:39,626 - [coughing] 2217 02:03:44,584 --> 02:03:46,876 - Should I call an ambulance? 2218 02:03:48,542 --> 02:03:50,334 - Okay. I'll--stay there. 2219 02:03:50,417 --> 02:03:57,459 ♪ 2220 02:04:00,375 --> 02:04:04,417 - [coughing] 2221 02:04:06,751 --> 02:04:13,876 ♪ 2222 02:04:16,584 --> 02:04:17,959 - Selma. 2223 02:04:18,042 --> 02:04:20,125 - Billy. [chuckles] 2224 02:04:23,209 --> 02:04:24,667 - I just heard. 2225 02:04:26,083 --> 02:04:27,751 - Let's go up. 2226 02:04:40,375 --> 02:04:43,709 ♪ 2227 02:04:43,792 --> 02:04:45,751 Hello. Hi. 2228 02:04:45,834 --> 02:04:48,292 Kico. - Hi. 2229 02:04:48,375 --> 02:04:49,500 - This is Don. 2230 02:04:49,584 --> 02:04:52,709 - Hi, Don. Nice to meet you. 2231 02:04:53,834 --> 02:04:56,250 - Bill, look who's here. 2232 02:04:56,334 --> 02:04:58,959 - Is that Don? 2233 02:04:59,042 --> 02:05:01,167 There's two of you. 2234 02:05:01,250 --> 02:05:03,876 - Oh, well, we're both Don. 2235 02:05:03,959 --> 02:05:06,000 Don't ask me which is which. 2236 02:05:06,083 --> 02:05:12,334 - [speaking gibberish] 2237 02:05:12,417 --> 02:05:15,167 - One moment, he's talking perfectly coherently. 2238 02:05:15,250 --> 02:05:17,292 The next he's talking gibberish. 2239 02:05:17,375 --> 02:05:18,626 - [speaking gibberish] 2240 02:05:18,709 --> 02:05:21,500 - I'm gonna take Kico for a cup of coffee. 2241 02:05:21,584 --> 02:05:22,584 You want to join us? 2242 02:05:22,667 --> 02:05:24,584 - [speaking gibberish] - No, I think-- 2243 02:05:24,667 --> 02:05:27,042 - I'll be back in a minute. 2244 02:05:27,125 --> 02:05:31,042 - [speaking gibberish] 2245 02:05:34,500 --> 02:05:41,626 [speaking gibberish] 2246 02:05:46,250 --> 02:05:48,167 [dramatic music] 2247 02:05:48,250 --> 02:05:54,792 [woman speaking native language] 2248 02:05:56,459 --> 02:05:59,709 [speaking gibberish] 2249 02:06:03,459 --> 02:06:10,500 ♪ 2250 02:06:34,125 --> 02:06:37,834 Would you hand me my krogite? 2251 02:06:39,876 --> 02:06:41,459 - Krognite? 2252 02:06:44,626 --> 02:06:46,042 Glasses? 2253 02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:53,125 - [speaking gibberish] - Yeah. 2254 02:06:53,209 --> 02:06:56,542 [unintelligible]. 2255 02:06:56,626 --> 02:07:00,417 - Am I talking gibberish? 2256 02:07:00,500 --> 02:07:01,918 - No, not to me. 2257 02:07:11,500 --> 02:07:13,792 - This didn't have to happen. 2258 02:07:15,709 --> 02:07:17,709 We could've stopped it. 2259 02:07:19,542 --> 02:07:21,459 - Can you still? 2260 02:07:23,626 --> 02:07:26,083 - Can we still stop it? 2261 02:07:26,167 --> 02:07:29,083 I don't know. 2262 02:07:31,459 --> 02:07:35,751 - I used to be afraid of dying. 2263 02:07:38,167 --> 02:07:41,167 I'm not anymore. 2264 02:07:41,250 --> 02:07:46,334 I'm more afraid of what happens 2265 02:07:46,417 --> 02:07:49,500 to the people who live. 2266 02:07:59,918 --> 02:08:06,959 ♪ 2267 02:08:58,167 --> 02:09:05,292 ♪ 2268 02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:11,834 ♪ 2269 02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:18,125 ♪ 2270 02:11:22,125 --> 02:11:25,250 [Elton John's "The Last Song"] 2271 02:11:25,334 --> 02:11:32,292 ♪ 2272 02:11:32,375 --> 02:11:34,918 - ♪ Yesterday ♪ 2273 02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:40,125 ♪ You came to lift me up ♪ 2274 02:11:40,209 --> 02:11:45,459 ♪ As light as straw and brittle as a bird ♪ 2275 02:11:47,375 --> 02:11:54,209 ♪ Today I weigh less than a shadow on the wall ♪ 2276 02:11:54,292 --> 02:11:58,918 ♪ Just one more whisper ♪ 2277 02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:03,292 ♪ Of a voice unheard ♪ 2278 02:12:03,375 --> 02:12:06,584 ♪ Tomorrow ♪ 2279 02:12:06,667 --> 02:12:10,959 ♪ Leave the windows open ♪ 2280 02:12:11,042 --> 02:12:17,876 ♪ As fear grows please hold me in your arms ♪ 2281 02:12:17,959 --> 02:12:22,876 ♪ Won't you help me if you can ♪ 2282 02:12:22,959 --> 02:12:25,334 ♪ To shake this anger ♪ 2283 02:12:25,417 --> 02:12:30,459 ♪ I need your gentle hands ♪ 2284 02:12:30,542 --> 02:12:33,792 ♪ To keep me calm ♪ 2285 02:12:33,876 --> 02:12:38,459 ♪ 'Cause I never thought I'd lose ♪ 2286 02:12:38,542 --> 02:12:42,209 ♪ I only thought I'd win ♪ 2287 02:12:42,292 --> 02:12:46,334 ♪ I never dreamed I'd feel ♪ 2288 02:12:46,417 --> 02:12:49,083 ♪ This fire beneath my skin ♪ 2289 02:12:49,167 --> 02:12:53,375 ♪ I can't believe you love me ♪ 2290 02:12:53,459 --> 02:12:57,667 ♪ I never thought you'd come ♪ 2291 02:12:57,751 --> 02:13:01,751 ♪ I guess I misjudged love ♪ 2292 02:13:01,834 --> 02:13:07,459 ♪ Between a father and his son ♪ 2293 02:13:16,083 --> 02:13:22,375 ♪ Things we never said come together ♪ 2294 02:13:23,834 --> 02:13:29,209 ♪ The hidden truth no longer haunting me ♪ 2295 02:13:31,334 --> 02:13:34,959 ♪ Tonight we touched ♪ 2296 02:13:35,042 --> 02:13:38,042 ♪ on the things that were never spoken ♪ 2297 02:13:38,125 --> 02:13:41,209 ♪ That kind of understanding ♪ 2298 02:13:41,292 --> 02:13:46,125 ♪ Sets me free ♪ 2299 02:13:46,209 --> 02:13:50,709 ♪ 'Cause I never thought I'd lose ♪ 2300 02:13:50,792 --> 02:13:54,500 ♪ I only thought I'd win ♪ 2301 02:13:54,584 --> 02:13:58,626 ♪ I never dreamed I'd feel ♪ 2302 02:13:58,709 --> 02:14:01,375 ♪ This fire beneath my skin ♪ 2303 02:14:01,459 --> 02:14:05,709 ♪ I can't believe you love me ♪ 2304 02:14:05,792 --> 02:14:10,000 ♪ I never thought you'd come ♪ 2305 02:14:10,083 --> 02:14:14,125 ♪ I guess I misjudged love ♪ 2306 02:14:14,209 --> 02:14:19,542 ♪ Between a father and his son ♪ 2307 02:14:19,626 --> 02:14:26,751 ♪ 2308 02:14:28,250 --> 02:14:34,667 ♪ Things we never said come together ♪ 2309 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:41,250 ♪ The hidden truth no longer haunting me ♪ 2310 02:14:43,334 --> 02:14:46,876 ♪ Tonight we touched ♪ 2311 02:14:46,959 --> 02:14:50,083 ♪ on the things that were never spoken ♪ 2312 02:14:50,167 --> 02:14:53,209 ♪ That kind of understanding ♪ 2313 02:14:53,292 --> 02:14:58,334 ♪ Sets me free ♪ 2314 02:14:58,417 --> 02:15:03,000 ♪ 'Cause I never thought I'd lose ♪ 2315 02:15:03,083 --> 02:15:06,792 ♪ I only thought I'd win ♪ 2316 02:15:06,876 --> 02:15:10,918 ♪ I never dreamed I'd feel ♪ 2317 02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:13,626 ♪ This fire beneath my skin ♪ 2318 02:15:13,709 --> 02:15:17,959 ♪ I can't believe you love me ♪ 2319 02:15:18,042 --> 02:15:22,209 ♪ I never thought you'd come ♪ 2320 02:15:22,292 --> 02:15:26,292 ♪ I guess I misjudged love ♪ 2321 02:15:26,375 --> 02:15:33,459 ♪ Between a father and his son ♪ 2322 02:15:33,542 --> 02:15:39,459 ♪ 2323 02:15:41,542 --> 02:15:44,459 [orchestral music] 2324 02:15:44,542 --> 02:15:51,584 ♪ 172114

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