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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,115 --> 00:00:02,676 - [Dave] We've been here... 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:02,676 --> 00:00:03,880 - [Louann] Been 38 years. 4 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,747 We bought it in 1978. 5 00:00:05,747 --> 00:00:08,211 - Went by and saw the for sale sign, 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 7 00:00:08,211 --> 00:00:09,674 and decided to take a look at it. 8 00:00:09,674 --> 00:00:11,294 - I know when we first went by it, 9 00:00:11,294 --> 00:00:13,511 I recall it being the haunted house. 10 00:00:13,511 --> 00:00:16,965 - Louann still has a high school friend 11 00:00:16,965 --> 00:00:19,923 that was divorced and dating a gentleman 12 00:00:19,923 --> 00:00:22,105 that was a part-time policeman 13 00:00:22,105 --> 00:00:24,074 with the Saginaw County Sheriff Department, 14 00:00:24,074 --> 00:00:25,750 and we went fishin' one day, 15 00:00:25,750 --> 00:00:28,203 just on a whim and a prayer on the way home 16 00:00:28,203 --> 00:00:30,273 I said, "Hey, maybe next weekend or so, 17 00:00:30,273 --> 00:00:33,311 "we could have you guys over to our house for a barbecue." 18 00:00:33,311 --> 00:00:34,811 And he said, "No." 19 00:00:36,596 --> 00:00:39,048 Okay, what do you mean, no? 20 00:00:39,048 --> 00:00:42,536 He says, "I'm not going to your house." 21 00:00:42,536 --> 00:00:44,606 I said, "What do you mean, not going to my house?" 22 00:00:44,606 --> 00:00:46,406 That's all I'm sayin'. 23 00:00:46,406 --> 00:00:48,521 Said "I will not go to your house." 24 00:00:48,521 --> 00:00:49,759 And come to find out he had been here, 25 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:52,774 through the county sheriff department. 26 00:00:52,774 --> 00:00:54,237 So that threw up a red flag. 27 00:00:54,237 --> 00:00:57,387 Well, something apparently had gone on here. 28 00:00:57,387 --> 00:01:00,920 - I know my granddaughter and my grandson they were here 29 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,496 and happened to see a flash of light that went by. 30 00:01:03,496 --> 00:01:06,061 She thought it was kind of bluish yellow, I think it was. 31 00:01:06,061 --> 00:01:08,300 That's one thing recently that she told me about, 32 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:10,651 then my other two daughters, 33 00:01:10,651 --> 00:01:13,331 they mentioned a few things to us recently, 34 00:01:13,331 --> 00:01:16,839 but at the time I don't recall them telling us about it. 35 00:01:16,839 --> 00:01:18,684 - My parents went out to dinner, 36 00:01:18,684 --> 00:01:19,832 and we were here alone, 37 00:01:19,832 --> 00:01:22,217 and we were sitting in the main living room. 38 00:01:22,217 --> 00:01:25,457 We saw a flash outside and then our dog started barking, 39 00:01:25,457 --> 00:01:27,313 got up on the bay window and started barking, 40 00:01:27,313 --> 00:01:29,586 and then we looked and some guy 41 00:01:29,586 --> 00:01:31,847 put his head up into the window and peaked in like this. 42 00:01:31,847 --> 00:01:33,074 - It was like a white face. 43 00:01:33,074 --> 00:01:33,907 - Yeah. 44 00:01:33,907 --> 00:01:34,740 - It was literally like a glow. 45 00:01:34,740 --> 00:01:36,472 I mean, you couldn't really see much of anything 46 00:01:36,472 --> 00:01:38,889 except for a round white head 47 00:01:40,544 --> 00:01:42,603 with his hands like this. 48 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:44,493 - So we came running into the other room, 49 00:01:44,493 --> 00:01:45,945 and Bridgette called our neighbor, 50 00:01:45,945 --> 00:01:48,971 and it was snowing and there was no footprints or anything. 51 00:01:48,971 --> 00:01:50,197 There was nothing. 52 00:01:50,197 --> 00:01:51,649 - [Interviewer] What did you know, 53 00:01:51,649 --> 00:01:52,717 whether it'd be a little or a lot 54 00:01:52,717 --> 00:01:55,050 about the past of this home? 55 00:01:56,112 --> 00:01:58,664 - I knew a little growing up, 56 00:01:58,664 --> 00:02:01,830 but as I got older we heard much more. 57 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:03,090 Things that would scare us, 58 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:04,077 but we didn't know if it was true, 59 00:02:04,077 --> 00:02:05,672 it was just rumors, hearsay, 60 00:02:05,672 --> 00:02:08,326 and then my Dad had an article that he showed us, 61 00:02:08,326 --> 00:02:11,163 and we read that and that's when it really spooked me. 62 00:02:11,163 --> 00:02:12,552 - I was sleeping one night, 63 00:02:12,552 --> 00:02:15,377 and I was woken up by like a flash. 64 00:02:15,377 --> 00:02:18,066 As soon as opened my eyes, my dog was at the end of the bed, 65 00:02:18,066 --> 00:02:19,106 growling at nothin'. 66 00:02:19,106 --> 00:02:21,840 - Back in February, my daughter, who's 11, 67 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,387 had a same experience. 68 00:02:24,387 --> 00:02:26,612 She saw a flash of light go through. 69 00:02:26,612 --> 00:02:28,699 There was no lights on, 70 00:02:28,699 --> 00:02:31,628 and she just seen it just kind of go by her eyes. 71 00:02:31,628 --> 00:02:33,787 I would like some answers and some clarity to it, 72 00:02:33,787 --> 00:02:35,772 because it's always in the back of my mind now 73 00:02:35,772 --> 00:02:37,395 and that my kids are here quite often 74 00:02:37,395 --> 00:02:39,798 and now they're questioning things, you know, 75 00:02:39,798 --> 00:02:41,293 and a little bit scared. 76 00:02:41,293 --> 00:02:43,960 (ominous music) 77 00:02:48,996 --> 00:02:51,341 - [Narrator] To comprehend the magnitude of these events, 78 00:02:51,341 --> 00:02:54,962 you'd have to know the whole story, how it all began. 79 00:02:54,962 --> 00:02:57,192 (gentle music) 80 00:02:57,192 --> 00:02:58,521 - Hi, I'm Terry Pomeraning, 81 00:02:58,521 --> 00:03:00,490 son of Harold and Mabel Pomeraning. 82 00:03:00,490 --> 00:03:03,846 My parents built this house back in 1951, 83 00:03:03,846 --> 00:03:08,010 had their first child in 1953, my brother Duanne, 84 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:10,071 and I was born in 1955. 85 00:03:10,071 --> 00:03:12,368 Been livin' here out in the country, 86 00:03:12,368 --> 00:03:14,384 it was just the best. 87 00:03:14,384 --> 00:03:18,303 Started helpin' my Dad, my grandpa on the farm 88 00:03:18,303 --> 00:03:19,624 when I was eight years old. 89 00:03:19,624 --> 00:03:23,219 Closest neighbor is maybe a quarter, half mile from ya. 90 00:03:23,219 --> 00:03:25,674 My parents lived here for 20 years. 91 00:03:25,674 --> 00:03:28,257 My brother 19, myself 17 years, 92 00:03:29,103 --> 00:03:31,596 we never ever had any problems in this house. 93 00:03:31,596 --> 00:03:32,865 - [Interviewer] What was your first encounter 94 00:03:32,865 --> 00:03:34,916 with the Pomeranings? 95 00:03:34,916 --> 00:03:37,511 - Now we have to go back about, 96 00:03:37,511 --> 00:03:39,031 I'm thinkin' 40 years. 97 00:03:39,031 --> 00:03:42,055 The first call I got was prowlers. 98 00:03:42,055 --> 00:03:43,959 Went on a prowler call. 99 00:03:43,959 --> 00:03:47,333 Mr. Pomeraning, we got to know him very well, 100 00:03:47,333 --> 00:03:48,633 and we called him Harold. 101 00:03:48,633 --> 00:03:50,445 He knew us and later on 102 00:03:50,445 --> 00:03:52,326 he didn't call us such pleasant names 103 00:03:52,326 --> 00:03:54,913 because we couldn't solve what his problem was. 104 00:03:54,913 --> 00:03:58,314 Harold would tell us that as soon as he would come home, 105 00:03:58,314 --> 00:03:59,384 noises would start. 106 00:03:59,384 --> 00:04:02,088 There would be pounding on the walls outside. 107 00:04:02,088 --> 00:04:04,367 We would check the exterior of the house, 108 00:04:04,367 --> 00:04:07,779 we'd find nothing, no damage to the house. 109 00:04:07,779 --> 00:04:09,626 We would check for footprints 110 00:04:09,626 --> 00:04:12,348 and other evidence of someone prowling around, 111 00:04:12,348 --> 00:04:14,292 but we could never locate anything. 112 00:04:14,292 --> 00:04:15,715 - [Interviewer] Had you known Harold Pomeraning 113 00:04:15,715 --> 00:04:18,937 or any of the Pomeranings prior to this event? 114 00:04:18,937 --> 00:04:20,322 - You knew everybody in this community. 115 00:04:20,322 --> 00:04:21,156 Yes. 116 00:04:21,156 --> 00:04:24,380 You didn't maybe know him personally, 117 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:26,369 'cause I don't have a cup of coffee with everyone of 'em, 118 00:04:26,369 --> 00:04:28,275 but you knew everybody, you knew their name, 119 00:04:28,275 --> 00:04:29,108 you knew who they looked like. 120 00:04:29,108 --> 00:04:33,408 They were, he was a shop worker, and very cordial 121 00:04:33,408 --> 00:04:34,969 and down to earth people. 122 00:04:34,969 --> 00:04:37,896 - They came over to our house quite a bit. 123 00:04:37,896 --> 00:04:41,303 They always come over to the kids' birthday party, 124 00:04:41,303 --> 00:04:43,544 and like I said, she'd bring baked goods over 125 00:04:43,544 --> 00:04:44,879 and stuff like that, 126 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,546 but after it all got really bad, 127 00:04:49,179 --> 00:04:50,824 I was too scared to come over. 128 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:54,176 - The second contact I had with Mr. Pomeraning, 129 00:04:54,176 --> 00:04:57,193 I was going to position myself not too far from his house, 130 00:04:57,193 --> 00:04:59,033 and wait to see if he called. 131 00:04:59,033 --> 00:05:00,654 That was about a half a mile, 132 00:05:00,654 --> 00:05:02,854 and sure enough I got dispatched to his house. 133 00:05:02,854 --> 00:05:04,664 I hit it with my spotlights, 134 00:05:04,664 --> 00:05:05,993 and I saw absolutely nothing. 135 00:05:05,993 --> 00:05:07,108 Dispatch kept saying it. 136 00:05:07,108 --> 00:05:09,156 Was someone still beating on his house? 137 00:05:09,156 --> 00:05:10,956 And I'm saying I'm right in front of the house, 138 00:05:10,956 --> 00:05:12,640 and I see absolutely nothing, 139 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,891 so just tell him I'm out and I'm gonna be right in there. 140 00:05:15,891 --> 00:05:18,637 Well, the minute that I pulled into his driveway, 141 00:05:18,637 --> 00:05:20,267 he had an outside light. 142 00:05:20,267 --> 00:05:21,667 Well, the light went out, 143 00:05:21,667 --> 00:05:24,459 but as the light went out I heard some noise, 144 00:05:24,459 --> 00:05:27,338 so when I got out of the car and I looked at it, 145 00:05:27,338 --> 00:05:28,627 it was not only out, 146 00:05:28,627 --> 00:05:30,326 but it had exploded, 147 00:05:30,326 --> 00:05:32,313 and the noise I heard was shrapnel 148 00:05:32,313 --> 00:05:34,588 from the glass hitting my car. 149 00:05:34,588 --> 00:05:36,757 I went in and talked to Mr. Pomeraning. 150 00:05:36,757 --> 00:05:38,308 He said, "Well, you better go check." 151 00:05:38,308 --> 00:05:40,780 He was very adamant that I go outside and check. 152 00:05:40,780 --> 00:05:41,915 I said, "Well, you wanna come with me?" 153 00:05:41,915 --> 00:05:43,586 He said, "No, I don't wanna go out there." 154 00:05:43,586 --> 00:05:44,419 I said, "Well, okay." 155 00:05:44,419 --> 00:05:46,529 I go out and I walked all the way around the house 156 00:05:46,529 --> 00:05:49,641 and I saw no evidence whatsoever of anyone 157 00:05:49,641 --> 00:05:51,603 that would be walking through his yard 158 00:05:51,603 --> 00:05:53,211 or around his house. 159 00:05:53,211 --> 00:05:56,525 So I went back in and talked to him again. 160 00:05:56,525 --> 00:05:58,869 And just before I left, 161 00:05:58,869 --> 00:06:02,306 a picture on the wall actually dropped down, straight down. 162 00:06:02,306 --> 00:06:04,287 I looked at the picture frame. 163 00:06:04,287 --> 00:06:06,551 The holder was still intact, 164 00:06:06,551 --> 00:06:08,609 and the holder on the wall was still intact. 165 00:06:08,609 --> 00:06:10,554 I don't know what made it drop 166 00:06:10,554 --> 00:06:12,523 and just slide down, 167 00:06:12,523 --> 00:06:14,066 but it did. 168 00:06:14,066 --> 00:06:15,761 I can attest to that. 169 00:06:15,761 --> 00:06:16,971 I will swear to that. 170 00:06:16,971 --> 00:06:19,638 (ominous music) 171 00:06:22,791 --> 00:06:25,102 - Right now I'm in the kitchen of the Dice Road residence, 172 00:06:25,102 --> 00:06:29,277 and one could say that the entire case started right here. 173 00:06:29,277 --> 00:06:32,063 This cutout to my left was once a window 174 00:06:32,063 --> 00:06:33,637 overlooking the backyard, 175 00:06:33,637 --> 00:06:36,451 and obviously the family room here is an addition. 176 00:06:36,451 --> 00:06:39,465 And, late one night while the Pomeranings were fast asleep, 177 00:06:39,465 --> 00:06:41,686 it was midnight or one o'clock in the morning. 178 00:06:41,686 --> 00:06:43,961 There was a pounding at this window. 179 00:06:43,961 --> 00:06:47,183 The pounding was so hard it actually shattered the glass, 180 00:06:47,183 --> 00:06:49,296 the glass dumping here into the sink. 181 00:06:49,296 --> 00:06:51,943 Harold sprung out of bed, grabbed his shotgun, 182 00:06:51,943 --> 00:06:53,352 and began clearing the home 183 00:06:53,352 --> 00:06:55,606 thinking somebody must've broken in. 184 00:06:55,606 --> 00:06:58,938 Well, needless to say, nobody actually broke in. 185 00:06:58,938 --> 00:07:01,369 The Saginaw County sheriff's department came, 186 00:07:01,369 --> 00:07:03,482 investigated and filed the report. 187 00:07:03,482 --> 00:07:07,115 The family had no idea that from that day forward, 188 00:07:07,115 --> 00:07:10,066 every single night the police would be called, 189 00:07:10,066 --> 00:07:14,594 that the pounding would continue and reach epic proportions. 190 00:07:14,594 --> 00:07:17,944 What really came in that window was actually an evil 191 00:07:17,944 --> 00:07:22,111 to the likes in which this community has never seen. 192 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:24,939 It wasn't long before we had captured 193 00:07:24,939 --> 00:07:28,106 our first piece of evidence on camera. 194 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,335 A radio in the kitchen 195 00:07:30,335 --> 00:07:33,502 had unexplainably turned on by itself. 196 00:07:36,508 --> 00:07:39,758 (radio static blaring) 197 00:07:52,448 --> 00:07:54,358 (ominous music) 198 00:07:54,358 --> 00:07:58,525 - The family was complaining about knockings or loud noises 199 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:03,641 as if somebody was hitting the side of the house 200 00:08:03,641 --> 00:08:05,345 with baseball bat. 201 00:08:05,345 --> 00:08:07,158 - It was more of just a banging noise. 202 00:08:07,158 --> 00:08:09,154 You know, just a... 203 00:08:09,154 --> 00:08:11,918 Oh, somebody had taken a tub upside down 204 00:08:11,918 --> 00:08:15,045 and hit it with a wooden stick or something like that, 205 00:08:15,045 --> 00:08:16,081 just a bang. 206 00:08:16,081 --> 00:08:17,081 - You knock. 207 00:08:17,944 --> 00:08:18,777 Harder. 208 00:08:19,697 --> 00:08:22,522 It was like, it was going every five minutes, 209 00:08:22,522 --> 00:08:24,605 but even 10 times harder. 210 00:08:26,853 --> 00:08:27,865 That's what it sounded like. 211 00:08:27,865 --> 00:08:29,722 Just a boom boom boom. 212 00:08:29,722 --> 00:08:32,171 - You could hear it but you couldn't see anybody. 213 00:08:32,171 --> 00:08:35,115 - If it would been somebody inside, 214 00:08:35,115 --> 00:08:36,919 the drywall would have been broke. 215 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:40,352 - The activities that I performed while I was here 216 00:08:40,352 --> 00:08:44,473 was to to do a thorough search for any electrical device, 217 00:08:44,473 --> 00:08:46,417 noise-making device, 218 00:08:46,417 --> 00:08:48,446 something that would cause the pounding 219 00:08:48,446 --> 00:08:52,271 or the appearance of pounding through sound. 220 00:08:52,271 --> 00:08:54,625 We'd find no wires, no devices, 221 00:08:54,625 --> 00:08:55,892 and had to conclude 222 00:08:55,892 --> 00:08:58,848 that there was no physical evidence present. 223 00:08:58,848 --> 00:09:00,119 - [Steven] What was that like for you? 224 00:09:00,119 --> 00:09:04,286 I mean, wondering who was outside, why they were doing it. 225 00:09:05,255 --> 00:09:06,940 - It was scary, really. 226 00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:09,779 I mean, just the thought of, 227 00:09:09,779 --> 00:09:12,112 once it gets dark, you know, 228 00:09:13,387 --> 00:09:15,224 it's gonna start up tonight again. 229 00:09:15,224 --> 00:09:17,891 (ominous music) 230 00:09:19,244 --> 00:09:22,358 (rain pattering) 231 00:09:22,358 --> 00:09:25,439 - So right now we're on the east end of the property here 232 00:09:25,439 --> 00:09:26,846 at Dice Road. 233 00:09:26,846 --> 00:09:29,741 This is the original aluminum siding from the house 234 00:09:29,741 --> 00:09:31,884 when it was built in 1951, 235 00:09:31,884 --> 00:09:33,422 and what's really interesting, 236 00:09:33,422 --> 00:09:34,645 if you go off the infrared 237 00:09:34,645 --> 00:09:37,620 and turn on your standard color there, 238 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:41,031 you can see dents still remaining 239 00:09:41,031 --> 00:09:43,448 here on the aluminum siding. 240 00:09:43,448 --> 00:09:45,782 So, whatever was pounding on the house 241 00:09:45,782 --> 00:09:47,887 had enormous strength, 242 00:09:47,887 --> 00:09:51,387 and even more bizarre, was never detected. 243 00:09:52,985 --> 00:09:55,958 Prior to starting the investigation, Terry Pomeraning 244 00:09:55,958 --> 00:09:58,709 had given us a tour of his childhood home, 245 00:09:58,709 --> 00:10:02,076 recalling the numerous incidents in great detail. 246 00:10:02,076 --> 00:10:05,105 Upon entering the kitchen, he explained that the faucet 247 00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:07,605 would often turn on by itself. 248 00:10:19,538 --> 00:10:22,205 (water running) 249 00:10:34,839 --> 00:10:37,506 (water running) 250 00:10:46,566 --> 00:10:49,233 (ominous music) 251 00:10:50,077 --> 00:10:52,121 - Every night when the pounding would start, 252 00:10:52,121 --> 00:10:56,107 my Dad still called the Saginaw County sheriff department. 253 00:10:56,107 --> 00:10:58,570 They came out every night, 254 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:00,770 some nights multiple times they'd come out 255 00:11:00,770 --> 00:11:03,138 and never see nothin'. 256 00:11:03,138 --> 00:11:06,059 - It was gettin' to a point where 257 00:11:06,059 --> 00:11:08,032 a lot of guys didn't even wanna go out there. 258 00:11:08,032 --> 00:11:10,387 It was the same thing over and over. 259 00:11:10,387 --> 00:11:13,035 You could have probably at one time taken one report, 260 00:11:13,035 --> 00:11:15,428 and every time you went out there, ran it on a copy machine, 261 00:11:15,428 --> 00:11:17,210 turned it in, it'd be the same thing. 262 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:21,377 This is a report that myself Deputy Duanne Graham, 263 00:11:22,946 --> 00:11:24,479 who is now deceased, 264 00:11:24,479 --> 00:11:25,812 took 9-9 of 1974 265 00:11:29,204 --> 00:11:31,003 at 12:44 in the morning. 266 00:11:31,003 --> 00:11:33,590 Mr. Pomeraning had called the sheriff's department 267 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:35,838 and stated that he had heard someone 268 00:11:35,838 --> 00:11:37,893 walking around outside his house, 269 00:11:37,893 --> 00:11:40,796 and that someone was beating on the side of his house. 270 00:11:40,796 --> 00:11:43,356 He reported this has been happening for sometime, 271 00:11:43,356 --> 00:11:45,469 and he's beginning to wonder why this department 272 00:11:45,469 --> 00:11:47,077 has failed to catch someone. 273 00:11:47,077 --> 00:11:48,795 The area was checked with no signs of persons 274 00:11:48,795 --> 00:11:51,104 being around the house or in the area could be found. 275 00:11:51,104 --> 00:11:53,451 Same thing happened on 9-1, 276 00:11:53,451 --> 00:11:55,453 same thing, somebody beatin' on the house. 277 00:11:55,453 --> 00:11:57,236 They checked, they could find nothing. 278 00:11:57,236 --> 00:11:59,500 9-10, the next night, same thing. 279 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:01,427 A report someone was beating on his door, 280 00:12:01,427 --> 00:12:04,502 and this time these officers did hear a thumping noise 281 00:12:04,502 --> 00:12:05,566 near the house, 282 00:12:05,566 --> 00:12:06,894 and they hit the house with spotlights 283 00:12:06,894 --> 00:12:08,056 and there was nothing. 284 00:12:08,056 --> 00:12:11,156 9-13, three days later, same thing. 285 00:12:11,156 --> 00:12:13,238 Complaints say someone was banging on the house, 286 00:12:13,238 --> 00:12:14,877 area was checked, nothing found. 287 00:12:14,877 --> 00:12:16,955 9-14, next night, same thing. 288 00:12:16,955 --> 00:12:18,981 - They were gettin' very irritated. 289 00:12:18,981 --> 00:12:21,373 My Dad was upset with the sheriff's department. 290 00:12:21,373 --> 00:12:25,456 It was just gettin' on everybody's nerves really. 291 00:12:28,992 --> 00:12:32,670 - This is Tim conducting an EVP session in the dining room. 292 00:12:32,670 --> 00:12:36,837 Have you been here longer than this house on this land? 293 00:12:43,095 --> 00:12:45,487 Is there something about this land in particular 294 00:12:45,487 --> 00:12:47,072 that draws you to it? 295 00:12:47,072 --> 00:12:48,489 Was it your land? 296 00:12:59,051 --> 00:13:00,884 - [Steven] Be careful. 297 00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:05,751 Look at that. 298 00:13:05,751 --> 00:13:07,191 Black pellet powder. 299 00:13:07,191 --> 00:13:08,024 Dangerous. 300 00:13:09,896 --> 00:13:12,985 They used to make their own ammunition back then. 301 00:13:12,985 --> 00:13:16,818 It's interesting just how things have changed. 302 00:13:19,655 --> 00:13:22,155 A super heavy feeling in here. 303 00:13:24,606 --> 00:13:25,669 Wow. 304 00:13:25,669 --> 00:13:28,252 Look at that structural damage. 305 00:13:31,872 --> 00:13:34,087 We have to really, really be careful. 306 00:13:34,087 --> 00:13:38,859 - Were you mad that Harold built a house on this land? 307 00:13:38,859 --> 00:13:42,442 Is that why you tormented them for so long? 308 00:13:55,159 --> 00:13:56,593 How long have you been here? 309 00:13:56,593 --> 00:13:58,760 (banging) 310 00:14:01,997 --> 00:14:03,914 - That's about to give. 311 00:14:06,885 --> 00:14:11,099 Residents in the area claim to see dark shadowy figures 312 00:14:11,099 --> 00:14:13,849 emerging from this barn at night. 313 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:30,134 Are you perhaps one of the original family members 314 00:14:30,134 --> 00:14:31,884 who bought this land? 315 00:14:42,139 --> 00:14:44,472 Got a creepy old desk there. 316 00:14:53,804 --> 00:14:55,637 This way, go this way. 317 00:15:05,486 --> 00:15:07,198 I was surprised to hear footsteps 318 00:15:07,198 --> 00:15:10,031 coming from the old hayloft above. 319 00:15:11,101 --> 00:15:15,083 You can actually see dust and debris falling all around me 320 00:15:15,083 --> 00:15:17,416 as the heavy steps occurred. 321 00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:20,986 Due to the severe structural damage, 322 00:15:20,986 --> 00:15:24,272 I was unable to investigate the hayloft. 323 00:15:24,272 --> 00:15:28,009 Instead, I placed infrared cameras all around the perimeter 324 00:15:28,009 --> 00:15:30,826 in an attempt to capture whatever had been lurking 325 00:15:30,826 --> 00:15:32,159 in the old barn. 326 00:15:44,113 --> 00:15:46,780 (door creaking) 327 00:16:02,594 --> 00:16:04,819 (ominous music) 328 00:16:04,819 --> 00:16:07,403 - When Steven first reached out to me 329 00:16:07,403 --> 00:16:10,403 and made contact I was pretty lerry, 330 00:16:11,479 --> 00:16:15,562 but after speaking with him, I did agree to meet, 331 00:16:16,459 --> 00:16:20,626 but at that time I still wasn't willing to share this story. 332 00:16:22,892 --> 00:16:25,559 (door creaking) 333 00:16:29,914 --> 00:16:34,698 My name is Mark and I served 23 years in law enforcement 334 00:16:34,698 --> 00:16:37,496 and am currently a retired homicide detective. 335 00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:42,471 When I was 12 years old, my father worked with Harold. 336 00:16:42,471 --> 00:16:43,918 They worked in the Midland area. 337 00:16:43,918 --> 00:16:45,663 My father basically came home one night 338 00:16:45,663 --> 00:16:49,084 and said that a man that he new down at work 339 00:16:49,084 --> 00:16:50,900 was having some problems with his house. 340 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,933 The gentlemen asked him to come over to the house 341 00:16:52,933 --> 00:16:53,918 and see if he could explain 342 00:16:53,918 --> 00:16:55,435 some of the things that were goin' on. 343 00:16:55,435 --> 00:16:57,790 So, naturally as a 12-year old boy, 344 00:16:57,790 --> 00:16:59,540 I became very interested in it, 345 00:16:59,540 --> 00:17:02,535 and thought, well, what's wrong with the house? 346 00:17:02,535 --> 00:17:03,566 Is it haunted? 347 00:17:03,566 --> 00:17:05,080 Well, my father didn't know. 348 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,765 In fact, he said that Harold 349 00:17:07,765 --> 00:17:09,477 did not really believe in ghosts, 350 00:17:09,477 --> 00:17:12,636 and he thought it was something that he could explain. 351 00:17:12,636 --> 00:17:15,541 When we arrived at the house, I remember Harold coming out 352 00:17:15,541 --> 00:17:17,510 one of the side doors. 353 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:20,046 There was a doberman pincher that he had. 354 00:17:20,046 --> 00:17:24,099 My father asked Harold is the dog okay. 355 00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:25,111 The dog was okay now, 356 00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:28,771 but at one time it could be aggressive. 357 00:17:28,771 --> 00:17:31,194 One night he heard something knocking 358 00:17:31,194 --> 00:17:33,038 on the outside of his house, 359 00:17:33,038 --> 00:17:36,004 and he let the dog out and it ran around the house, 360 00:17:36,004 --> 00:17:38,241 and it was barking like there was something out there, 361 00:17:38,241 --> 00:17:41,829 and he said it sounded like the dog was getting beat. 362 00:17:41,829 --> 00:17:43,588 It's never really been the same since. 363 00:17:43,588 --> 00:17:45,620 From there, my father and him 364 00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:48,852 basically would discuss certain, 365 00:17:48,852 --> 00:17:50,396 I guess you would call them theories. 366 00:17:50,396 --> 00:17:53,868 I remember at one point during their conversations, 367 00:17:53,868 --> 00:17:56,189 he produced a set of tapes, 368 00:17:56,189 --> 00:17:59,288 and I remember him playing those tapes for my father, 369 00:17:59,288 --> 00:18:00,730 and you could hear the pounding. 370 00:18:00,730 --> 00:18:04,147 I also recall that as the evening wore on 371 00:18:06,428 --> 00:18:08,851 I could sense that Harold was becoming, 372 00:18:08,851 --> 00:18:13,007 I guess the word you would want to use was embarrassed, 373 00:18:13,007 --> 00:18:16,605 because according to him this took place 374 00:18:16,605 --> 00:18:17,692 many times in a day. 375 00:18:17,692 --> 00:18:19,942 It was like he was absolutely sure 376 00:18:19,942 --> 00:18:22,243 that when we came over, 377 00:18:22,243 --> 00:18:23,915 that we would hear these sounds, 378 00:18:23,915 --> 00:18:26,939 and as the evening wore on, nothing ever happened. 379 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:28,797 He was embarrassed to the point at this time 380 00:18:28,797 --> 00:18:32,565 that he was actually raising his fist, 381 00:18:32,565 --> 00:18:36,398 and kind of like talking to whatever was there 382 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:42,159 and saying, come on you son of a, you know, show yourself. 383 00:18:43,829 --> 00:18:46,636 That's when something did happen, is unexplainable. 384 00:18:46,636 --> 00:18:49,254 Right on the side wall of the kitchen, 385 00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:51,733 just massive poundings. 386 00:18:51,733 --> 00:18:53,400 It just bam bam bam. 387 00:18:55,243 --> 00:18:58,681 There was, what I recall, two plates on that wall, 388 00:18:58,681 --> 00:19:01,154 and that wall, whatever was hitting it, 389 00:19:01,154 --> 00:19:04,684 it hit so hard that those plates just started bouncing 390 00:19:04,684 --> 00:19:05,531 along that wall, 391 00:19:05,531 --> 00:19:07,714 and I'll never forget looking over 392 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:10,267 and seeing those plates bounce. 393 00:19:10,267 --> 00:19:12,955 And immediately after that sound happened, 394 00:19:12,955 --> 00:19:17,722 Harold immediately yelled out, "See, I told you. 395 00:19:17,722 --> 00:19:19,184 "Now explain that to me. 396 00:19:19,184 --> 00:19:21,530 "You tell me what that sound is." 397 00:19:21,530 --> 00:19:24,484 Well, five maybe 10 minutes later, 398 00:19:24,484 --> 00:19:27,738 the very loud poundings in the ceiling of the kitchen, 399 00:19:27,738 --> 00:19:31,653 not quite as loud, more of a rumbling, 400 00:19:31,653 --> 00:19:32,632 like something was just rumbling 401 00:19:32,632 --> 00:19:34,184 through the ceiling of the kitchen. 402 00:19:34,184 --> 00:19:36,239 Everybody in the house was accounted for. 403 00:19:36,239 --> 00:19:38,513 That was pretty much my experience at the house. 404 00:19:38,513 --> 00:19:41,991 This is where something happened to our family. 405 00:19:41,991 --> 00:19:45,230 Probably around a half hour after we got home, 406 00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:48,054 I was downstairs and we had a downstairs door at the time, 407 00:19:48,054 --> 00:19:50,102 I was probably five feet away from that door, 408 00:19:50,102 --> 00:19:53,348 now this is probably around midnight at that time, 409 00:19:53,348 --> 00:19:56,709 and all of a sudden I hear three knocks on the door. 410 00:19:56,709 --> 00:20:00,006 Opened it up, there's nobody there. 411 00:20:00,006 --> 00:20:03,286 Those knocks on our door happened three times 412 00:20:03,286 --> 00:20:05,074 in probably a five or six day period. 413 00:20:05,074 --> 00:20:09,283 Our family took that as I guess you would call it a warning. 414 00:20:09,283 --> 00:20:10,518 You may not wanna become involved 415 00:20:10,518 --> 00:20:12,603 in something that you shouldn't. 416 00:20:12,603 --> 00:20:15,770 So, we never did go back to the house. 417 00:20:20,202 --> 00:20:24,299 - Up here, Harold's wife Mable would collect fine china 418 00:20:24,299 --> 00:20:25,728 and antique plates, 419 00:20:25,728 --> 00:20:29,356 and she proudly displayed them right here. 420 00:20:29,356 --> 00:20:31,527 Eye witnesses in sheriff's office, 421 00:20:31,527 --> 00:20:33,958 deputies who investigated this case 422 00:20:33,958 --> 00:20:36,984 would claim that when the pounding would occur, 423 00:20:36,984 --> 00:20:39,254 the plates would actually sway 424 00:20:39,254 --> 00:20:41,551 right off the wall in conjunction, 425 00:20:41,551 --> 00:20:44,443 that the pounding had that much power. 426 00:20:44,443 --> 00:20:46,038 Now, when one thing's pounding, 427 00:20:46,038 --> 00:20:49,262 naturally, you think a fist pounding on the wall, 428 00:20:49,262 --> 00:20:52,147 but the pounding was actually much more powerful 429 00:20:52,147 --> 00:20:54,469 than what it sounds to be. 430 00:20:54,469 --> 00:20:56,534 Another instance, actually, back over here, 431 00:20:56,534 --> 00:20:58,367 is at the knife block. 432 00:21:00,648 --> 00:21:02,514 Terry Pomeraning stated to us 433 00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:05,545 that a knife actually came out of the knife block... 434 00:21:05,545 --> 00:21:07,795 (crashing) 435 00:21:09,167 --> 00:21:10,250 Jesus Christ. 436 00:21:11,384 --> 00:21:13,669 Come here, come here. 437 00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:15,086 Did you get that? 438 00:21:21,744 --> 00:21:22,577 Look. 439 00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:25,016 What the... 440 00:21:25,016 --> 00:21:25,849 (beeping drowns out dialogue) 441 00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:28,149 It seemed as though whatever was inhabiting the home 442 00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:31,922 was growing tired of our intrusion and gaining in strength. 443 00:21:31,922 --> 00:21:36,089 Perhaps worse things were yet to come if we did not leave. 444 00:21:38,708 --> 00:21:40,958 (chirping) 445 00:22:27,094 --> 00:22:29,761 (ominous music) 446 00:22:31,675 --> 00:22:34,355 (dramatic music) 447 00:22:34,355 --> 00:22:35,651 - My name's Tim Everett. 448 00:22:35,651 --> 00:22:38,217 Mabel Pomeraning was my aunt. 449 00:22:38,217 --> 00:22:40,021 She was my Mom's older sister. 450 00:22:40,021 --> 00:22:42,561 My aunt was a special woman. 451 00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:45,961 She would've given you the shirt off her back. 452 00:22:45,961 --> 00:22:48,448 She dropped out of high school in the 11th grade 453 00:22:48,448 --> 00:22:51,948 to go and work to help support the family. 454 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,694 She met my uncle Harold at a dance, I believe. 455 00:22:57,694 --> 00:23:02,240 They dated for a while and I remember their wedding. 456 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,464 I was the ring bearer, 457 00:23:03,464 --> 00:23:07,389 so you can tell it was many years ago that they got married. 458 00:23:07,389 --> 00:23:09,188 They were farmers. 459 00:23:09,188 --> 00:23:11,500 That was a new lifestyle for her 460 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,101 because she was a city girl. 461 00:23:13,101 --> 00:23:15,184 Harold was a hard worker. 462 00:23:16,661 --> 00:23:19,731 He worked nights at Dow Chemi Co, 463 00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:22,262 and would come home in the day time, 464 00:23:22,262 --> 00:23:23,888 would take care of the farm. 465 00:23:23,888 --> 00:23:27,624 Terry, you would see right along with his Dad. 466 00:23:27,624 --> 00:23:30,552 He had a very normal existence in the house 467 00:23:30,552 --> 00:23:33,802 until what happened happened, you know, 468 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:38,232 when it began, 469 00:23:38,232 --> 00:23:41,338 and then everything changed. 470 00:23:41,338 --> 00:23:44,588 Their lives changed, the house changed, 471 00:23:46,357 --> 00:23:48,046 everything just became hell. 472 00:23:48,046 --> 00:23:51,796 She never, never deserved to have this happen 473 00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:54,944 to her and her family. 474 00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:57,694 (dramatic music) 475 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,086 (ominous music) 476 00:24:05,086 --> 00:24:09,169 - The number of man hours attributed to this case 477 00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:12,882 is immeasurable, it's immense. 478 00:24:12,882 --> 00:24:16,974 I never saw this much investigation done on a homicide. 479 00:24:16,974 --> 00:24:20,641 Myself and another deputy staked the house out, 480 00:24:20,641 --> 00:24:21,873 and it was raining that night, 481 00:24:21,873 --> 00:24:23,450 I remember it was raining, 482 00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:26,057 and all of a sudden we did hear some banging. 483 00:24:26,057 --> 00:24:27,370 And my partner says, well, 484 00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:28,698 I'm gonna go this way, you go that way, 485 00:24:28,698 --> 00:24:30,111 and whatever it is, we're gonna go 'im. 486 00:24:30,111 --> 00:24:33,217 So I went to the west side of the house, 487 00:24:33,217 --> 00:24:35,841 my partner went to the east side of the house. 488 00:24:35,841 --> 00:24:38,195 Well, the noise came, and I yelled to my partner. 489 00:24:38,195 --> 00:24:40,310 He said I heard it, but I don't see anything. 490 00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:42,418 So again, we checked, it had been raining, 491 00:24:42,418 --> 00:24:44,505 there was dampness on the ground. 492 00:24:44,505 --> 00:24:47,323 There was rain and the grass was wet. 493 00:24:47,323 --> 00:24:49,407 There was absolutely nothing there 494 00:24:49,407 --> 00:24:52,505 that would indicate anyone had been walking around 495 00:24:52,505 --> 00:24:53,764 the side of that house. 496 00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:57,511 - I recall being in the car one night 497 00:24:57,511 --> 00:24:59,078 and was listening to the radio traffic. 498 00:24:59,078 --> 00:25:00,776 It was a quiet, quiet night, 499 00:25:00,776 --> 00:25:02,468 just driving around town. 500 00:25:02,468 --> 00:25:04,285 I heard one of the officers 501 00:25:04,285 --> 00:25:06,518 from Saginaw County sheriff's department. 502 00:25:06,518 --> 00:25:10,762 He was telling his officers to surround this house, 503 00:25:10,762 --> 00:25:15,644 and then I heard him say the noises are starting to happen. 504 00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:18,165 - We got a radio call from inside the house 505 00:25:18,165 --> 00:25:20,661 where Captain McGall was, 506 00:25:20,661 --> 00:25:22,982 and said there was pounding on the front door, 507 00:25:22,982 --> 00:25:24,741 is anyone at the front door. 508 00:25:24,741 --> 00:25:26,749 I did not hear the pounding. 509 00:25:26,749 --> 00:25:29,965 You could hear it from his radio being transmitted 510 00:25:29,965 --> 00:25:32,195 through his radio into my radio. 511 00:25:32,195 --> 00:25:36,083 We reported back, no, there is no one at that front door. 512 00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:38,952 We had the other officers check in, 513 00:25:38,952 --> 00:25:40,996 and they indicated as well 514 00:25:40,996 --> 00:25:43,660 there's no one around that house. 515 00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:46,719 - Sheriff's deputies were out there all armed, 516 00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:49,361 and they couldn't help us. 517 00:25:49,361 --> 00:25:51,124 They all came up to our house 518 00:25:51,124 --> 00:25:52,657 and about 10 minutes later, 519 00:25:52,657 --> 00:25:55,425 and they were all very upset. 520 00:25:55,425 --> 00:26:00,301 There's gotta be someone inside the house, one deputy said, 521 00:26:00,301 --> 00:26:01,134 that's doing this, 522 00:26:01,134 --> 00:26:04,158 because there was no one out there, 523 00:26:04,158 --> 00:26:07,170 and that's when my Ma got into it with him. 524 00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:09,165 They just came to a conclusion 525 00:26:09,165 --> 00:26:11,500 it had to be someone inside the house. 526 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,828 It was hard livin' that way, 527 00:26:13,828 --> 00:26:17,745 knowin' that you're being watched every second. 528 00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:25,082 - So right now we're about to head up these stairs 529 00:26:25,082 --> 00:26:25,915 to investigate the... 530 00:26:25,915 --> 00:26:27,378 - [Man On Radio] Hey, is anybody investigating 531 00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:29,442 outside right now? 532 00:26:29,442 --> 00:26:30,290 - Negative. 533 00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:33,210 I was just about to head up to the loft. 534 00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:35,148 - [Man On Radio] Up in the command center with Eddie. 535 00:26:35,148 --> 00:26:36,455 (radio beeping) 536 00:26:36,455 --> 00:26:37,402 - [Man On Radio] All right, well, 537 00:26:37,402 --> 00:26:38,947 I was walking through the house here, 538 00:26:38,947 --> 00:26:43,208 and could've swore I saw someone looking through the windows 539 00:26:43,208 --> 00:26:44,664 and standing there. 540 00:26:44,664 --> 00:26:47,833 I took a double take and it was gone. 541 00:26:47,833 --> 00:26:49,663 - You sure it couldn't have been a reflection 542 00:26:49,663 --> 00:26:51,913 or possibly a car goin' by? 543 00:26:53,233 --> 00:26:56,403 - [Man On Radio] I'm positive, my flashlight wasn't even on. 544 00:26:56,403 --> 00:26:57,720 I know what I saw. 545 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,000 Do you want me to stop my investigation and go take a look? 546 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,833 (radio beeping) 547 00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:02,666 - Negative. 548 00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:05,283 We're about to head outside and take a look. 549 00:27:05,283 --> 00:27:06,129 - [Man On Radio] Copy that. 550 00:27:06,129 --> 00:27:08,796 (radio beeping) 551 00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:12,030 - [Steven] One of the infrared cameras 552 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:16,197 placed in the kitchen had actually recorded the incident. 553 00:27:37,105 --> 00:27:39,772 (ominous music) 554 00:27:56,653 --> 00:27:59,667 Perhaps this validates the claims from a current family 555 00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:00,931 who inhabits the home 556 00:28:00,931 --> 00:28:04,205 and their sightings of the strange phenomenon. 557 00:28:04,205 --> 00:28:05,872 - A round white head 558 00:28:07,636 --> 00:28:09,719 with his hands like this. 559 00:28:13,488 --> 00:28:15,166 - [Steven] Josh, come in. 560 00:28:15,166 --> 00:28:15,999 - [Josh] Copy. 561 00:28:15,999 --> 00:28:17,792 (radio beeping) 562 00:28:17,792 --> 00:28:20,543 - I didn't see anybody, I definitely heard somethin'. 563 00:28:20,543 --> 00:28:23,133 The back yard's completely fenced in, 564 00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:25,333 but we have a ladder just sittin' right up against it 565 00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:26,666 for easy access. 566 00:28:28,459 --> 00:28:29,314 - [Josh] Copy that. 567 00:28:29,314 --> 00:28:30,609 (radio beeping) 568 00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:32,716 - I wanna get cameras on all the windows 569 00:28:32,716 --> 00:28:35,537 and all the doors immediately. 570 00:28:35,537 --> 00:28:36,865 - [Josh] All right, I'll get right on that. 571 00:28:36,865 --> 00:28:38,563 (radio beeping) 572 00:28:38,563 --> 00:28:40,563 - Take a look down here. 573 00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:45,584 Switch it off, see if we can try to document any footprints. 574 00:28:49,784 --> 00:28:51,848 I don't see anything. 575 00:28:51,848 --> 00:28:53,133 Definitely heard what sounded like 576 00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:57,300 somebody hittin' this fence or something in this vicinity. 577 00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:01,025 It's kind of eerie when you think about it 578 00:29:01,025 --> 00:29:04,275 because I recall the family's daughters 579 00:29:05,212 --> 00:29:06,345 talking about an instance 580 00:29:06,345 --> 00:29:08,650 where they saw somebody peaking in, 581 00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:11,959 described it as an all white face, just glowing white, 582 00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:16,672 and I remember reading a police report from 1974 583 00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:18,176 from the original family, 584 00:29:18,176 --> 00:29:20,126 almost saying the exact same thing. 585 00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:22,876 (dramatic music) 586 00:29:24,601 --> 00:29:26,569 - There has been knocking on the Pomeraning house 587 00:29:26,569 --> 00:29:29,002 since July 19th, 1974. 588 00:29:29,002 --> 00:29:30,947 The Saginaw County sheriff's department 589 00:29:30,947 --> 00:29:34,145 has been called to the house at least 35 times. 590 00:29:34,145 --> 00:29:35,672 - So now you've got a lot of pressure 591 00:29:35,672 --> 00:29:37,465 coming down on the department. 592 00:29:37,465 --> 00:29:39,527 - We did do some fingerprint dusting, 593 00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:42,457 but nothing to identify someone other than the family. 594 00:29:42,457 --> 00:29:46,607 - So we kind of had him high up on our list of suspects. 595 00:29:46,607 --> 00:29:49,209 - Terry Pomeraning, the 18-year old son of the Pomeranings 596 00:29:49,209 --> 00:29:50,991 is listed as a suspect. 597 00:29:50,991 --> 00:29:53,406 - He just gave me the impression that he knew more 598 00:29:53,406 --> 00:29:55,502 about what was going on in the house 599 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,064 and what was coming out. 600 00:29:57,064 --> 00:29:59,209 - They had me there then for about four hours 601 00:29:59,209 --> 00:30:00,430 doing polygraph. 602 00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,758 They would do trick questions. 603 00:30:02,758 --> 00:30:04,737 You know, they'd ask a lot of the same questions 604 00:30:04,737 --> 00:30:08,404 but they'd word it a little bit different each time. 605 00:30:08,404 --> 00:30:10,180 It is the opinion of the polygraphist 606 00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:12,307 that Terry Pomeraning is telling the truth 607 00:30:12,307 --> 00:30:14,478 when he denies being the one that is causing 608 00:30:14,478 --> 00:30:16,311 the knocking at the Pomeraning home. 609 00:30:16,311 --> 00:30:18,182 I passed that with flying colors. 610 00:30:18,182 --> 00:30:22,122 Then later on the whole family had to take polygraphs 611 00:30:22,122 --> 00:30:23,789 and everyone passed. 612 00:30:29,757 --> 00:30:31,998 - This is the other side of the fence here 613 00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:33,652 where that ladder was leaned up, 614 00:30:33,652 --> 00:30:35,670 and now that I'm over here it's really bizarre 615 00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:37,501 'cause take a look at this. 616 00:30:37,501 --> 00:30:40,327 You got this cooler here with this flat surface 617 00:30:40,327 --> 00:30:41,303 just sitting here, 618 00:30:41,303 --> 00:30:44,037 almost as if somebody could just step up on it 619 00:30:44,037 --> 00:30:45,366 to get over this fence, 620 00:30:45,366 --> 00:30:47,219 and then climb down that ladder 621 00:30:47,219 --> 00:30:49,008 and come out the other way. 622 00:30:49,008 --> 00:30:51,568 Now, if somebody wanted to sneak up on the house here 623 00:30:51,568 --> 00:30:53,112 and get into the backyard, 624 00:30:53,112 --> 00:30:54,579 this would be the perfect place, 625 00:30:54,579 --> 00:30:58,041 because number one, it's the darkest portion of the property 626 00:30:58,041 --> 00:31:00,548 and you got nothin' back here but farm field 627 00:31:00,548 --> 00:31:01,965 and the old barn. 628 00:31:03,114 --> 00:31:04,467 Kind of interesting when you think about 629 00:31:04,467 --> 00:31:05,994 those police reports. 630 00:31:05,994 --> 00:31:09,866 That's the path that they thought the prowler would choose, 631 00:31:09,866 --> 00:31:12,802 would be coming back here from that corn field 632 00:31:12,802 --> 00:31:14,608 and sneaking up to this part of the house, 633 00:31:14,608 --> 00:31:17,853 because they would say the eastern back of the property 634 00:31:17,853 --> 00:31:20,738 is where the pounding would happen the most frequently. 635 00:31:20,738 --> 00:31:21,794 Matter of fact, 636 00:31:21,794 --> 00:31:24,957 police brought their most vicious police dog out here. 637 00:31:24,957 --> 00:31:26,526 I think his name was fury, 638 00:31:26,526 --> 00:31:28,987 and they tied him to a tree that used to be right here, 639 00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:31,170 and they thought, well, when that guy comes up 640 00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:32,829 to pound on the side of the house, 641 00:31:32,829 --> 00:31:34,977 he'll have a hell of a surprise. 642 00:31:34,977 --> 00:31:37,712 Interesting enough, the pounding continued 643 00:31:37,712 --> 00:31:39,337 every night that dog was here, 644 00:31:39,337 --> 00:31:40,975 which was nearly a week, 645 00:31:40,975 --> 00:31:44,475 and that dog never even so much as barked. 646 00:31:58,927 --> 00:32:01,838 I thought I heard somethin', I'm not sure. 647 00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:03,718 We're gonna have to get cameras set up here. 648 00:32:03,718 --> 00:32:06,348 If somebody is indeed prowling around the property though, 649 00:32:06,348 --> 00:32:08,949 we need to inform the owners, 650 00:32:08,949 --> 00:32:10,310 because I don't know why anybody 651 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:12,344 would wanna be doin' that out here. 652 00:32:12,344 --> 00:32:14,342 Being in a rural area like that, 653 00:32:14,342 --> 00:32:16,269 better be careful whose fence you jump. 654 00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:19,352 It's a good way to get yourself shot. 655 00:32:20,435 --> 00:32:23,868 The following video contains extraordinary evidence, 656 00:32:23,868 --> 00:32:28,035 a spirit orb physically interacting with its surroundings. 657 00:32:36,294 --> 00:32:39,407 Notice how the freezer door is actually pulled open 658 00:32:39,407 --> 00:32:41,391 just before orb can be seen, 659 00:32:41,391 --> 00:32:44,455 turning the corner and entering in the living room, 660 00:32:44,455 --> 00:32:48,171 ultimately disappearing into the wall. 661 00:32:48,171 --> 00:32:49,721 Perhaps this validates the claims 662 00:32:49,721 --> 00:32:52,066 from the current family who inhabits the home 663 00:32:52,066 --> 00:32:55,195 and their sightings of the strange phenomenon. 664 00:32:55,195 --> 00:32:57,465 - She saw a flash of light go through. 665 00:32:57,465 --> 00:32:59,473 There was no lights on 666 00:32:59,473 --> 00:33:03,640 and she just seen it just kind of go by your eyes. 667 00:33:05,712 --> 00:33:07,136 - After my parents realized 668 00:33:07,136 --> 00:33:09,974 that police couldn't really protect us, 669 00:33:09,974 --> 00:33:12,952 we were seeking help from our pastor. 670 00:33:12,952 --> 00:33:15,586 He wouldn't even come to the house, he was afraid. 671 00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:19,640 Then my Ma and Dad turned to the Catholic priest 672 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,225 the night's after he had blessed our home. 673 00:33:23,225 --> 00:33:25,863 I mean, it just got really bad. 674 00:33:25,863 --> 00:33:30,257 They were just mad at what he did, you know, 675 00:33:30,257 --> 00:33:32,846 throwin' that holy water all around the house, 676 00:33:32,846 --> 00:33:34,773 outside and inside. 677 00:33:34,773 --> 00:33:36,356 Made matters worst. 678 00:33:42,657 --> 00:33:43,943 - I'm about to read to you 679 00:33:43,943 --> 00:33:46,575 from a Michigan state police report 680 00:33:46,575 --> 00:33:49,158 written on February 13th, 1975. 681 00:33:51,073 --> 00:33:53,001 During the investigation of these complaints, 682 00:33:53,001 --> 00:33:55,648 the following departments and private organizations 683 00:33:55,648 --> 00:33:57,050 and/or individuals 684 00:33:57,050 --> 00:33:59,984 participated in, and to this writer's knowledge 685 00:33:59,984 --> 00:34:02,306 have no satisfactory answer 686 00:34:02,306 --> 00:34:04,523 as to the strange occurrences 687 00:34:04,523 --> 00:34:08,471 and phenomenon taking place at the private residence 688 00:34:08,471 --> 00:34:09,527 at Dice Road. 689 00:34:09,527 --> 00:34:10,909 Michigan state police. 690 00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:13,317 Michigan state police fire marshal division. 691 00:34:13,317 --> 00:34:16,110 MSP intelligence technical service unit. 692 00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:18,357 The Saginaw County sheriff's department. 693 00:34:18,357 --> 00:34:19,581 Merrill police department. 694 00:34:19,581 --> 00:34:22,635 The Jonesfield Lakefield township fire department. 695 00:34:22,635 --> 00:34:23,813 Duke University. 696 00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:25,652 The Michigan department of health. 697 00:34:25,652 --> 00:34:28,806 Michigan state police polygraph examination unit. 698 00:34:28,806 --> 00:34:30,699 Michigan Bell telephone company. 699 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,293 Consumer's Power company. 700 00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:34,181 Federal aviation agency. 701 00:34:34,181 --> 00:34:35,668 The tri city airport. 702 00:34:35,668 --> 00:34:39,237 Several churches and clergy members from the area. 703 00:34:39,237 --> 00:34:41,036 Still waiting data. 704 00:34:41,036 --> 00:34:42,349 One thing I do wanna note 705 00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:44,723 is that when we spoke to the surviving members 706 00:34:44,723 --> 00:34:46,127 of the Pomeraning family, 707 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:48,704 they told us that when the churches would come out here, 708 00:34:48,704 --> 00:34:50,934 they dreaded that because they knew 709 00:34:50,934 --> 00:34:52,774 that as soon as those people left, 710 00:34:52,774 --> 00:34:56,362 the activity in the house would just go through the roof, 711 00:34:56,362 --> 00:34:58,603 that the pounding would be twice as bad, 712 00:34:58,603 --> 00:35:00,577 and last twice as long. 713 00:35:00,577 --> 00:35:03,032 We're not sure why that would be. 714 00:35:03,032 --> 00:35:07,199 We do know that Mabel and Harold did try to locate somebody 715 00:35:08,615 --> 00:35:10,451 to perform an exorcism 716 00:35:10,451 --> 00:35:13,029 as they believe that what inhabited this home 717 00:35:13,029 --> 00:35:14,862 were demonic entities. 718 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,345 To our knowledge, that never took place. 719 00:35:18,345 --> 00:35:21,944 An exorcism was never actually done on the home. 720 00:35:21,944 --> 00:35:24,611 (ominous music) 721 00:36:04,979 --> 00:36:07,229 (clanging) 722 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,290 (clanging) 723 00:36:21,024 --> 00:36:22,913 - Harold had recalled something. 724 00:36:22,913 --> 00:36:25,242 A lady come on over to the house one day 725 00:36:25,242 --> 00:36:28,860 and inquired about possibly buying his property, 726 00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:31,310 that she was interested in his property and the house. 727 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:33,397 - And my Dad said, I ain't sellin', 728 00:36:33,397 --> 00:36:34,901 you know, we're not gonna sell our house. 729 00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:35,925 Why would you wanna buy our house 730 00:36:35,925 --> 00:36:38,125 when you got a brand new home across the road. 731 00:36:38,125 --> 00:36:39,789 - A couple months later she came back. 732 00:36:39,789 --> 00:36:41,863 At this time she seemed a little bit more forceful 733 00:36:41,863 --> 00:36:44,039 in her desire to have the property. 734 00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,272 - She was just adamant that she wanted our house 735 00:36:47,272 --> 00:36:48,105 in the worse way. 736 00:36:48,105 --> 00:36:49,718 - And I guess there was some type of argument 737 00:36:49,718 --> 00:36:51,268 between her and Harold. 738 00:36:51,268 --> 00:36:52,980 But Harold told my father 739 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:56,092 that he always thought that she may have been responsible 740 00:36:56,092 --> 00:36:57,606 and did something to the house. 741 00:36:57,606 --> 00:37:00,669 - Then shortly after, we started having a lot of problems. 742 00:37:00,669 --> 00:37:03,491 - She did tell me that was an ordained witch. 743 00:37:03,491 --> 00:37:05,898 - [Steven] She in fact told you she was a witch? 744 00:37:05,898 --> 00:37:06,731 - [Woman] Yes, she did. 745 00:37:06,731 --> 00:37:08,187 - [Steven] That she practiced witchcraft? 746 00:37:08,187 --> 00:37:09,755 - [Woman] That's what she said at the time. 747 00:37:09,755 --> 00:37:11,772 - [Man] She was seen several times 748 00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:14,637 coming out of the Dice Road cemetery 749 00:37:14,637 --> 00:37:16,604 at odd hours of the night. 750 00:37:16,604 --> 00:37:19,564 - I can't remember the gal's name who was doin' it, 751 00:37:19,564 --> 00:37:22,612 but that was the only time we ever heard of the witchcraft 752 00:37:22,612 --> 00:37:23,698 in this area. 753 00:37:23,698 --> 00:37:26,501 - [Steven] The witch had occult symbols on our house. 754 00:37:26,501 --> 00:37:27,596 Can you tell us about that? 755 00:37:27,596 --> 00:37:31,377 - Three big black Xs above the garage door. 756 00:37:31,377 --> 00:37:32,946 I don't know what they mean or whatever, 757 00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:34,832 but it was awfully strange. 758 00:37:34,832 --> 00:37:36,120 - [Steven] And can you tell us what you were told 759 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,342 about what the symbols meant? 760 00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,094 - The symbol meant 761 00:37:39,094 --> 00:37:41,404 from the Catholic priest that came out there 762 00:37:41,404 --> 00:37:43,743 that it was a sign of the devil. 763 00:37:43,743 --> 00:37:46,118 It was evil worshipers. 764 00:37:46,118 --> 00:37:49,276 - They was weird things goin' on over there. 765 00:37:49,276 --> 00:37:52,840 Dances, things in the window that people saw. 766 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,642 so I didn't wanna have anything more to do with her 767 00:37:55,642 --> 00:37:57,274 because if she was the one 768 00:37:57,274 --> 00:37:59,816 that was doing stuff in this house, 769 00:37:59,816 --> 00:38:00,961 then I would be next. 770 00:38:00,961 --> 00:38:04,038 - By the front door there was a plate hangin' on the wall, 771 00:38:04,038 --> 00:38:06,736 and all of a sudden it started to ding ding ding 772 00:38:06,736 --> 00:38:08,082 just like a bell ringing, 773 00:38:08,082 --> 00:38:11,439 so I reached up and I touched it and it quit ringin'. 774 00:38:11,439 --> 00:38:14,672 And I took my hand off it, and started, 775 00:38:14,672 --> 00:38:16,528 like somebody was hittin' it with their fingernail. 776 00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:18,176 You know, ding ding ding ding. 777 00:38:18,176 --> 00:38:20,408 We looked across the road 778 00:38:20,408 --> 00:38:23,804 and this gal was out dancin' around her bush out there 779 00:38:23,804 --> 00:38:25,103 in her yard, 780 00:38:25,103 --> 00:38:28,024 and what the heck's goin' on? 781 00:38:28,024 --> 00:38:29,434 You know, just about that time 782 00:38:29,434 --> 00:38:32,347 there was a fairly loud noise, 783 00:38:32,347 --> 00:38:34,456 and the living room ceiling cracked 784 00:38:34,456 --> 00:38:37,218 the full length of east to west. 785 00:38:37,218 --> 00:38:39,898 Just a big crack in the living room ceiling, 786 00:38:39,898 --> 00:38:41,120 and then she quit dancin'. 787 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,795 Obviously, I believed it. 788 00:38:42,795 --> 00:38:45,033 After going through it, 789 00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:47,162 I believe there was witchcraft there. 790 00:38:47,162 --> 00:38:48,074 - [Steven] Do you think they were targeting 791 00:38:48,074 --> 00:38:50,025 anybody specifically in your family? 792 00:38:50,025 --> 00:38:51,410 - There was me. 793 00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:52,300 I think I was the one. 794 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:54,697 - She met up with Duane at the corner here 795 00:38:54,697 --> 00:38:56,230 to get the newspaper that one day, 796 00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:58,592 and Duane had never talked to the people, 797 00:38:58,592 --> 00:39:00,520 didn't really want nothin' to do with them, 798 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,427 'cause he thought they were strange from the start. 799 00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:04,075 She coaxed him over there, 800 00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,613 and he was in their house 801 00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:07,964 for like three hours that afternoon. 802 00:39:07,964 --> 00:39:10,443 He came back home and just started acting 803 00:39:10,443 --> 00:39:13,404 a little funny then, like something wasn't right. 804 00:39:13,404 --> 00:39:15,476 He just passed right out and almost died. 805 00:39:15,476 --> 00:39:17,693 - And I had a grand mal seizure. 806 00:39:17,693 --> 00:39:18,980 It was pretty bad. 807 00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:19,852 I had to do a tracheotomy, 808 00:39:19,852 --> 00:39:23,102 but she made sure that she cut my hair. 809 00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:26,114 - [Steven] The use of one's hair in ritual 810 00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:28,288 is often found in the dark arts, 811 00:39:28,288 --> 00:39:30,514 particularly witchcraft. 812 00:39:30,514 --> 00:39:33,280 Duane Pomeraning stated he remembered very little 813 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,032 of the hours spent inside the witch's home. 814 00:39:36,032 --> 00:39:38,151 He recalled the house being filled with candles 815 00:39:38,151 --> 00:39:39,817 and strange symbols, 816 00:39:39,817 --> 00:39:43,567 and at one point, she cut a lock of his hair. 817 00:39:50,083 --> 00:39:52,020 - The attic comes into play multiple times 818 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:55,701 through the investigation in 1974 and 1975, 819 00:39:55,701 --> 00:39:58,460 where eyewitnesses reported hearing strange rumbling, 820 00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:03,211 loud cracks and bangs coming from this portion of the home. 821 00:40:03,211 --> 00:40:04,160 So, Eddie's gonna go ahead 822 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,090 and place an infrared camera up there, 823 00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:08,443 and we're just gonna let that roll all night, 824 00:40:08,443 --> 00:40:10,451 as well as a digital recorder, 825 00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:13,046 and the goal is to capture any data that we can 826 00:40:13,046 --> 00:40:14,179 during the investigation. 827 00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:15,851 I'll hold the ladder for ya. 828 00:40:15,851 --> 00:40:16,715 We're not sure how it sounded... 829 00:40:16,715 --> 00:40:18,595 (crashing) 830 00:40:18,595 --> 00:40:19,428 Whoa whoa! 831 00:40:19,428 --> 00:40:20,371 Are you okay? 832 00:40:20,371 --> 00:40:21,204 Eddie. 833 00:40:22,504 --> 00:40:23,727 Hold on, don't move. 834 00:40:23,727 --> 00:40:25,614 I need somebody here in the breezeway with me now. 835 00:40:25,614 --> 00:40:28,749 Eddie just fell right onto the concrete. 836 00:40:28,749 --> 00:40:30,205 - [Man On Radio] I'll be right there. 837 00:40:30,205 --> 00:40:31,038 - Don't move, okay. 838 00:40:31,038 --> 00:40:31,940 This could be broken. 839 00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:33,023 Just hang on. 840 00:40:42,209 --> 00:40:43,360 He fell right off the ladder, 841 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,384 hit the concrete hard as hell. 842 00:40:45,384 --> 00:40:48,615 He probably has a broken knee. 843 00:40:48,615 --> 00:40:50,199 You think you can stand? 844 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:51,871 - [Eddie] Yeah, something pushed me. 845 00:40:51,871 --> 00:40:53,192 - Here, lift him up. 846 00:40:53,192 --> 00:40:55,165 (groaning) 847 00:40:55,165 --> 00:40:56,930 Though his injury was substantial, 848 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:58,584 it could have been much worse. 849 00:40:58,584 --> 00:41:01,364 Falling several feet onto the concrete could have resulted 850 00:41:01,364 --> 00:41:04,041 in severe injury or even death. 851 00:41:04,041 --> 00:41:07,669 Still in shock, Eddie continuously repeated the phrase 852 00:41:07,669 --> 00:41:09,966 "something pushed me." 853 00:41:09,966 --> 00:41:13,966 We decided it was best to leave the attic alone. 854 00:41:14,862 --> 00:41:17,526 There are several police reports documenting claims 855 00:41:17,526 --> 00:41:20,342 of knocking and banging on the windows of the home. 856 00:41:20,342 --> 00:41:22,725 Even sightings of a ghostly apparition 857 00:41:22,725 --> 00:41:25,199 appearing in the window before vanishing. 858 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:26,662 Despite several attempts, 859 00:41:26,662 --> 00:41:30,511 law enforcement was never able to locate any evidence 860 00:41:30,511 --> 00:41:32,428 nor identify a suspect. 861 00:41:34,911 --> 00:41:37,310 One of our stationary cameras in the kitchen 862 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:41,477 caught the following evidence in the living room window. 863 00:42:11,118 --> 00:42:13,785 (ominous music) 864 00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:35,185 In an attempt to gain more information and perspective, 865 00:42:35,185 --> 00:42:37,658 I decided to bring in a psychic medium 866 00:42:37,658 --> 00:42:40,711 who came highly recommended by trusted sources 867 00:42:40,711 --> 00:42:43,044 within the paranormal field. 868 00:42:44,983 --> 00:42:48,719 - I'm Kelly MacLeod, psychic medium, motivational speaker. 869 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,365 I'm from Center Line, Michigan. 870 00:42:50,365 --> 00:42:52,989 In my line of work, I help with cases, 871 00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:56,572 whether it be profiling potential criminals 872 00:42:57,464 --> 00:42:59,698 as well as some of the cold cases 873 00:42:59,698 --> 00:43:01,579 and trying to put the pieces together, 874 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,883 so I was pretty excited to see what is this mystery 875 00:43:04,883 --> 00:43:06,201 and what's happening, 876 00:43:06,201 --> 00:43:07,873 and to see if I could get something 877 00:43:07,873 --> 00:43:10,560 in addition to what's already been reported. 878 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,987 So many different energies, so many different emotions. 879 00:43:14,987 --> 00:43:16,266 When I first walked in the door, 880 00:43:16,266 --> 00:43:19,313 it was almost as if the entire family was wiped out. 881 00:43:19,313 --> 00:43:21,816 The person that kind of was responsible for this, 882 00:43:21,816 --> 00:43:25,346 it's almost as if they wanted to annihilate the family, 883 00:43:25,346 --> 00:43:27,503 and that's exactly what they set out to do, 884 00:43:27,503 --> 00:43:28,492 and that's what they did. 885 00:43:28,492 --> 00:43:32,654 So, the entity that's actually an assigned, 886 00:43:32,654 --> 00:43:34,063 and that's the way I really wanna say it, 887 00:43:34,063 --> 00:43:37,553 is that it has been assigned by the original person 888 00:43:37,553 --> 00:43:40,100 to be in this house with the family. 889 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,586 It doesn't necessarily always have to be active. 890 00:43:42,586 --> 00:43:45,233 This entity is always here, it's always watching. 891 00:43:45,233 --> 00:43:48,467 It was physical, it really was happening, 892 00:43:48,467 --> 00:43:50,475 but if they keep reporting it, 893 00:43:50,475 --> 00:43:53,244 the people, they're gonna get tired. 894 00:43:53,244 --> 00:43:56,565 The township, the police, the fire department. 895 00:43:56,565 --> 00:43:58,074 Everybody's gonna get tired, 896 00:43:58,074 --> 00:44:00,355 everybody's gonna deem them crazy. 897 00:44:00,355 --> 00:44:01,953 What is the banging? 898 00:44:01,953 --> 00:44:04,682 Why do I keep hearing all this banging? 899 00:44:04,682 --> 00:44:07,015 - [Steven] We'll follow you. 900 00:44:12,035 --> 00:44:14,195 - What is this room here? 901 00:44:14,195 --> 00:44:18,182 - [Steven] That was the bedroom of the son of the family, 902 00:44:18,182 --> 00:44:22,250 which the activity seemed to center around. 903 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:23,180 - Okay, that's the thing. 904 00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:26,629 She used the son as the catalyst. 905 00:44:26,629 --> 00:44:27,636 Okay. 906 00:44:27,636 --> 00:44:29,027 He's got some issues, 907 00:44:29,027 --> 00:44:32,787 and he is the perfect candidate, he's the perfect scapegoat, 908 00:44:32,787 --> 00:44:34,442 and that's exactly what she wanted. 909 00:44:34,442 --> 00:44:36,840 She needed to pick somebody as a scapegoat. 910 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,667 What has happened with the kitchen, with the silverware, 911 00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:41,089 with the knife block, 912 00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:43,899 what has happened with things beings thrown around, 913 00:44:43,899 --> 00:44:45,513 things coming out of the cupboards? 914 00:44:45,513 --> 00:44:46,992 Any report of that? 915 00:44:46,992 --> 00:44:48,079 Because when I'm standing here 916 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,967 suddenly as if knives are coming out, 917 00:44:51,967 --> 00:44:53,228 but it's like somebody grabbed a knife 918 00:44:53,228 --> 00:44:55,526 and just threw it right across. 919 00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:57,296 Not gently pulled it out, 920 00:44:57,296 --> 00:45:00,463 they're just whipping it right across. 921 00:45:04,196 --> 00:45:07,751 There is something coming up through the floor here. 922 00:45:07,751 --> 00:45:09,086 It's almost like underneath. 923 00:45:09,086 --> 00:45:11,222 What is directly underneath this room? 924 00:45:11,222 --> 00:45:12,203 - [Steven] Crawlspace. 925 00:45:12,203 --> 00:45:15,284 - I keep seeing all these hands coming up 926 00:45:15,284 --> 00:45:17,504 like they're trapped, 927 00:45:17,504 --> 00:45:19,396 like people are coming out of the floor, 928 00:45:19,396 --> 00:45:21,479 coming out of the ground. 929 00:45:22,885 --> 00:45:26,112 The family that lives here now is not gonna be in danger, 930 00:45:26,112 --> 00:45:28,139 because this is not who they're after. 931 00:45:28,139 --> 00:45:30,374 If any member of the original family 932 00:45:30,374 --> 00:45:32,527 steps foot on this property again, 933 00:45:32,527 --> 00:45:34,813 this will open up the energy vortex 934 00:45:34,813 --> 00:45:37,781 and it will start everything all over 935 00:45:37,781 --> 00:45:40,031 as if it had never stopped. 936 00:45:45,685 --> 00:45:47,757 - On the above time and date, 937 00:45:47,757 --> 00:45:50,687 this officer arrived at the complainant's address 938 00:45:50,687 --> 00:45:51,954 on Dice Road, 939 00:45:51,954 --> 00:45:55,704 and upon doing so, made a check of the surrounding area. 940 00:45:55,704 --> 00:45:59,541 He found that nobody or any vehicle was in the area. 941 00:45:59,541 --> 00:46:01,364 Upon talking to the complainant, 942 00:46:01,364 --> 00:46:04,510 he stated that there was banging on the walls so hard 943 00:46:04,510 --> 00:46:08,220 it actually broke a hole directly through the plaster 944 00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:10,855 from one room straight through to the other. 945 00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:14,483 The complainant also stated that he heard voices 946 00:46:14,483 --> 00:46:15,882 coming from the walls, 947 00:46:15,882 --> 00:46:19,737 saying it was going to kill him and his entire family. 948 00:46:19,737 --> 00:46:21,987 I'm going to attempt to try 949 00:46:23,888 --> 00:46:28,055 and communicate with whatever may be in this room, 950 00:46:29,112 --> 00:46:30,195 in this home. 951 00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:35,477 Is anybody here in the room with me tonight? 952 00:46:50,056 --> 00:46:52,806 Why did you seem to target Duane? 953 00:46:59,674 --> 00:47:03,424 Was there something about Duane specifically? 954 00:47:04,834 --> 00:47:07,834 Did you have a vendetta against him? 955 00:47:16,643 --> 00:47:19,310 (blind closing) 956 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,787 (blind closing) 957 00:47:47,093 --> 00:47:49,760 (alarm beeping) 958 00:47:54,297 --> 00:47:57,163 Notice how the environment suddenly changes. 959 00:47:57,163 --> 00:47:59,161 The papers on the refrigerator lifted 960 00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:01,664 from the force of the air. 961 00:48:01,664 --> 00:48:03,272 A mist begins to appear, 962 00:48:03,272 --> 00:48:05,337 taking the shape of a human figure, 963 00:48:05,337 --> 00:48:07,231 then dropping to the floor, 964 00:48:07,231 --> 00:48:09,481 heading toward the hallway. 965 00:48:14,217 --> 00:48:16,884 (ominous music) 966 00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:23,499 - [Man] Deputies and state police troopers 967 00:48:23,499 --> 00:48:25,757 both say the house now is undergoing 968 00:48:25,757 --> 00:48:28,509 a series of strange explosions. 969 00:48:28,509 --> 00:48:30,421 Consumer's Power in Michigan, 970 00:48:30,421 --> 00:48:32,845 they used equipment to locate the source. 971 00:48:32,845 --> 00:48:33,814 Still nothing. 972 00:48:33,814 --> 00:48:36,687 - The other recordings were attempted 973 00:48:36,687 --> 00:48:40,854 by one of the members of the state police, mini FBI unit, 974 00:48:43,677 --> 00:48:45,317 who's a demolition expert. 975 00:48:45,317 --> 00:48:47,671 He was asked to go to the house 976 00:48:47,671 --> 00:48:49,358 and spend a couple days there, 977 00:48:49,358 --> 00:48:53,380 during which time there were sounds or explosions. 978 00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:55,459 He attempted to record them. 979 00:48:55,459 --> 00:48:58,867 He was unable to do so in an interesting way. 980 00:48:58,867 --> 00:49:00,684 He would turn his tape recorder on, 981 00:49:00,684 --> 00:49:03,826 and he'd wait, and he'd wait, and he'd wait. 982 00:49:03,826 --> 00:49:04,801 Nothing. 983 00:49:04,801 --> 00:49:07,667 Then he'd look and he'd say, oh, the tape's running out. 984 00:49:07,667 --> 00:49:11,599 He'd turn it off, pull the tape out to get another one. 985 00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,016 Boom, boom, boom. 986 00:49:15,376 --> 00:49:19,418 Then he'd grab the other blank one, he'd put in, start it. 987 00:49:19,418 --> 00:49:20,427 Nothing. 988 00:49:20,427 --> 00:49:23,701 - Complainant stated the explosions had been going on 989 00:49:23,701 --> 00:49:24,909 all afternoon. 990 00:49:24,909 --> 00:49:28,155 The last one just prior to this officer's arrival 991 00:49:28,155 --> 00:49:29,150 was so strong, 992 00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:31,945 he came running back inside and found the family 993 00:49:31,945 --> 00:49:34,754 all standing together as though they were frozen. 994 00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:37,714 Further, the explosions were heard in different walls. 995 00:49:37,714 --> 00:49:39,241 This officer checked the attic 996 00:49:39,241 --> 00:49:40,796 and the space under the house. 997 00:49:40,796 --> 00:49:42,811 - He's no longer with the department, 998 00:49:42,811 --> 00:49:45,916 he left the department after an incident 999 00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:47,835 that he claims happened out there 1000 00:49:47,835 --> 00:49:50,883 where he was physically pushed by a force. 1001 00:49:50,883 --> 00:49:54,383 Now this deputy was a retired army ranger. 1002 00:49:56,029 --> 00:49:59,126 Good cop, he was not scared of anything. 1003 00:49:59,126 --> 00:50:01,701 I met him one day when I was going to court, 1004 00:50:01,701 --> 00:50:03,558 and he came out of the sheriff's office, 1005 00:50:03,558 --> 00:50:05,787 and I says are you gettin' your butt chewed again? 1006 00:50:05,787 --> 00:50:07,058 He said, no no, no no. 1007 00:50:07,058 --> 00:50:09,304 He says I went out the Pomeranings. 1008 00:50:09,304 --> 00:50:11,499 He says I told the sheriff I'm not going out again. 1009 00:50:11,499 --> 00:50:13,430 I'm not going out there again. 1010 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:14,582 I says why. 1011 00:50:14,582 --> 00:50:17,055 He says there are some evil spirits out there. 1012 00:50:17,055 --> 00:50:20,445 I continued on down the hallway past the sheriff's door. 1013 00:50:20,445 --> 00:50:22,686 The sheriff was Robert Lupert at that time. 1014 00:50:22,686 --> 00:50:24,542 I asked him what'd you do, chew him out? 1015 00:50:24,542 --> 00:50:25,652 He said, oh no, no. 1016 00:50:25,652 --> 00:50:30,229 He said he was at the Pomeraning's taking a report 1017 00:50:30,229 --> 00:50:31,687 when the explosions went off 1018 00:50:31,687 --> 00:50:33,743 and something pushed him in the chest 1019 00:50:33,743 --> 00:50:35,021 and pushed him backwards, 1020 00:50:35,021 --> 00:50:37,021 and he said he would not go out there anymore. 1021 00:50:37,021 --> 00:50:38,435 Now, I explained to him if it happened to me 1022 00:50:38,435 --> 00:50:41,500 I wouldn't be going out there anymore either. 1023 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,437 (ominous music) 1024 00:50:44,437 --> 00:50:47,984 - On November 22nd, 1974, Harold and his family 1025 00:50:47,984 --> 00:50:52,038 began experiencing an even worse phenomenon, explosions. 1026 00:50:52,038 --> 00:50:54,822 Witnesses stated it sounded like a sonic boom 1027 00:50:54,822 --> 00:50:57,181 that seemed to come just from underneath their feet, 1028 00:50:57,181 --> 00:50:59,509 even lifting them right where they stood. 1029 00:50:59,509 --> 00:51:02,118 Police responded to the calls about the explosions, 1030 00:51:02,118 --> 00:51:03,885 and a Saginaw sheriff's deputy 1031 00:51:03,885 --> 00:51:06,103 was actually injured in the line of duty 1032 00:51:06,103 --> 00:51:07,340 from said explosions. 1033 00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:10,220 Now Josh, when people would feel 1034 00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:12,396 an explosion of that magnitude, 1035 00:51:12,396 --> 00:51:15,044 wouldn't there have to be some form of residue, 1036 00:51:15,044 --> 00:51:17,292 something down there to show that this happened? 1037 00:51:17,292 --> 00:51:18,163 - Oh, most definitely. 1038 00:51:18,163 --> 00:51:20,908 You would have to have a cracking of a foundation, 1039 00:51:20,908 --> 00:51:23,219 potentially cracking of floor joist. 1040 00:51:23,219 --> 00:51:26,057 Being explosions, maybe there's some kind of charring 1041 00:51:26,057 --> 00:51:27,413 of some wood down there, 1042 00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:29,412 but if it's none of those things, 1043 00:51:29,412 --> 00:51:31,508 I'm not sure exactly what it could be. 1044 00:51:31,508 --> 00:51:33,382 - I'm gonna send part of my team down there. 1045 00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:36,425 Be safe and to see if you guys can find anything 1046 00:51:36,425 --> 00:51:38,654 that might suggest that there were in fact 1047 00:51:38,654 --> 00:51:40,383 explosions down there. 1048 00:51:40,383 --> 00:51:42,966 - All right, let's get started. 1049 00:51:58,801 --> 00:52:01,425 - Now, again, this is the first time that this crawlspace 1050 00:52:01,425 --> 00:52:04,185 has been entered in an investigative matter 1051 00:52:04,185 --> 00:52:06,018 for over four decades. 1052 00:52:42,517 --> 00:52:45,733 (dramatic music) 1053 00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:49,900 - On January 21st, 1975, it was on a Friday afternoon. 1054 00:52:50,829 --> 00:52:52,642 Me and my Dad were out in Hemlock. 1055 00:52:52,642 --> 00:52:55,202 We stopped at the drug store there, looked down 1056 00:52:55,202 --> 00:52:59,376 and on the front page it was a picture of our house. 1057 00:52:59,376 --> 00:53:01,965 - Well, someone released it. 1058 00:53:01,965 --> 00:53:04,234 They never did figure who it was, 1059 00:53:04,234 --> 00:53:07,292 but they released the information to the Saginaw news. 1060 00:53:07,292 --> 00:53:09,100 Saginaw news would come in every morning 1061 00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:10,363 and read the reports, 1062 00:53:10,363 --> 00:53:13,320 so we would take those reports and give 'em to the Captain, 1063 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,696 so they wouldn't see it, 1064 00:53:14,696 --> 00:53:17,465 but somehow someway they got copies of it. 1065 00:53:17,465 --> 00:53:21,632 Then Mr. Pomeraning started being bothered by trespassers 1066 00:53:22,507 --> 00:53:24,936 and by people running, honking their horns 1067 00:53:24,936 --> 00:53:26,248 and yelling and screaming, 1068 00:53:26,248 --> 00:53:29,243 which upset him more, and I can't blame him one bit. 1069 00:53:29,243 --> 00:53:30,698 If he went out there, all he would do 1070 00:53:30,698 --> 00:53:32,041 is yell and scream at ya. 1071 00:53:32,041 --> 00:53:34,345 - [Man] Saginaw County sheriff's department said that 1072 00:53:34,345 --> 00:53:35,616 the corner of Dice and Chapin 1073 00:53:35,616 --> 00:53:39,432 was the busiest corner of all Saginaw County that night. 1074 00:53:39,432 --> 00:53:41,932 - The traffic was just unreal. 1075 00:53:42,966 --> 00:53:44,805 It was car after car after car, 1076 00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:46,847 and they had spotlights 1077 00:53:46,847 --> 00:53:48,788 that they were shining out in the field 1078 00:53:48,788 --> 00:53:50,861 and at both of our houses. 1079 00:53:50,861 --> 00:53:53,334 - January 21st, 1975. 1080 00:53:53,334 --> 00:53:56,327 After six months, police still don't have an answer. 1081 00:53:56,327 --> 00:53:58,917 Weird sounds and voices, furniture moving, 1082 00:53:58,917 --> 00:54:00,654 whole house shaking and jumping, 1083 00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:03,183 cracks in the walls, plaster falling. 1084 00:54:03,183 --> 00:54:06,151 Police agree there is the sound of pounding in the walls. 1085 00:54:06,151 --> 00:54:08,106 "I was told to say nothing to anybody 1086 00:54:08,106 --> 00:54:10,737 "about what I heard or saw," said one deputy. 1087 00:54:10,737 --> 00:54:13,767 "I spend two night there, I can tell you one thing. 1088 00:54:13,767 --> 00:54:16,176 "I didn't sleep from the beginning to the end. 1089 00:54:16,176 --> 00:54:18,833 "One night we had the house surrounded by cars. 1090 00:54:18,833 --> 00:54:20,112 "When the pounding started, 1091 00:54:20,112 --> 00:54:22,177 "the cars went roaring to the scene. 1092 00:54:22,177 --> 00:54:23,721 "Still, we found nothin'." 1093 00:54:23,721 --> 00:54:27,041 Police contend they do not believe the house is haunted. 1094 00:54:27,041 --> 00:54:27,874 Bullshit. 1095 00:54:31,568 --> 00:54:34,162 (gentle music) 1096 00:54:34,162 --> 00:54:37,580 - In the 52 years I've been on this department, 1097 00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:41,912 I've never seen anything like that and I hope I never do, 1098 00:54:41,912 --> 00:54:44,617 because it's sad for the family that lives there 1099 00:54:44,617 --> 00:54:46,312 to have to live through something like this. 1100 00:54:46,312 --> 00:54:49,156 - And as far as Harold's breakdown, 1101 00:54:49,156 --> 00:54:52,598 I had heard later on that he had a breakdown. 1102 00:54:52,598 --> 00:54:54,517 Whether that caused it, I don't know. 1103 00:54:54,517 --> 00:54:56,683 - Harold had a heart attack shortly after that, 1104 00:54:56,683 --> 00:54:58,799 and we were doing mouth to mouth on him 1105 00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:00,117 at that time at his place, 1106 00:55:00,117 --> 00:55:01,847 but he didn't make it. 1107 00:55:01,847 --> 00:55:05,774 - My aunt, like I said, she was a strong woman, 1108 00:55:05,774 --> 00:55:08,552 and she put up a good fight. 1109 00:55:08,552 --> 00:55:11,049 She really put up a good fight, 1110 00:55:11,049 --> 00:55:15,132 but you could see that she was losing the battle. 1111 00:55:16,819 --> 00:55:19,225 She was one of a kind, she was a saint. 1112 00:55:19,225 --> 00:55:22,392 After everything she had gone through. 1113 00:55:26,383 --> 00:55:29,290 - I just know that that's why he, 1114 00:55:29,290 --> 00:55:31,568 both my parents died at an early age 1115 00:55:31,568 --> 00:55:32,901 because of this. 1116 00:55:34,114 --> 00:55:37,031 There was times I would pray to God 1117 00:55:39,668 --> 00:55:43,699 and say, "Why are You allowing this to happen to us?" 1118 00:55:43,699 --> 00:55:47,067 And I felt the same way even after my parents both died. 1119 00:55:47,067 --> 00:55:49,167 You know, they were both quite young. 1120 00:55:49,167 --> 00:55:52,547 Then I just realized I can't think that way, 1121 00:55:52,547 --> 00:55:57,220 I gotta be strong, there's a reason for everything. 1122 00:55:57,220 --> 00:55:59,553 Well, with my brother Duane, 1123 00:56:00,622 --> 00:56:02,812 this did affect his life. 1124 00:56:02,812 --> 00:56:06,645 I mean, he's really had no life since, really. 1125 00:56:08,191 --> 00:56:12,358 He just went downhill and I'm just thankful to God 1126 00:56:14,516 --> 00:56:16,399 that he's still here. 1127 00:56:16,399 --> 00:56:18,343 Like a lot of people that know my brother 1128 00:56:18,343 --> 00:56:22,510 said that they can't believe that he's still alive. 1129 00:56:24,009 --> 00:56:26,869 (ominous music) 1130 00:56:26,869 --> 00:56:30,167 - This is the current family that resides here in this home, 1131 00:56:30,167 --> 00:56:32,987 and you'll notice throughout this home 1132 00:56:32,987 --> 00:56:36,340 there are so many pictures of them. 1133 00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:38,507 They're always happy, they're always together, 1134 00:56:38,507 --> 00:56:40,090 just enjoying life, 1135 00:56:40,956 --> 00:56:42,956 and it's so ironic to me 1136 00:56:44,041 --> 00:56:47,164 that those children were born and raised here, 1137 00:56:47,164 --> 00:56:50,647 and they had such a good life and a happy family, 1138 00:56:50,647 --> 00:56:53,489 and the Pomeraning family who built this house 1139 00:56:53,489 --> 00:56:55,764 had just the opposite. 1140 00:56:55,764 --> 00:56:59,681 They had nothing but misery and fear and panic, 1141 00:57:00,553 --> 00:57:04,671 and they were destroyed within the walls of this home, 1142 00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:07,476 and that being said, you have a whole nother family 1143 00:57:07,476 --> 00:57:12,037 who flourished and thrived within the walls of this home. 1144 00:57:12,037 --> 00:57:12,891 Why? 1145 00:57:12,891 --> 00:57:14,634 That is the question. 1146 00:57:14,634 --> 00:57:16,463 This is much more than, 1147 00:57:16,463 --> 00:57:20,266 this investigation is much more than a haunting. 1148 00:57:20,266 --> 00:57:24,232 What happened here in the past wasn't just activity, 1149 00:57:24,232 --> 00:57:25,421 it was tragedy. 1150 00:57:25,421 --> 00:57:28,059 You know, that family really was destroyed. 1151 00:57:28,059 --> 00:57:29,392 Lives destroyed. 1152 00:57:30,975 --> 00:57:33,725 (radio rumbling) 1153 00:57:34,634 --> 00:57:35,467 The radio. 1154 00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:36,300 Come here. 1155 00:57:44,717 --> 00:57:45,550 Look at that. 1156 00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:48,636 That light was not on, that power light was not on... 1157 00:57:48,636 --> 00:57:52,803 (background noise drowns out dialogue) 1158 00:57:55,695 --> 00:57:57,773 We need to get cameras set up in here. 1159 00:57:57,773 --> 00:57:58,606 Oh! 1160 00:58:07,895 --> 00:58:09,515 While distracted by the radio, 1161 00:58:09,515 --> 00:58:12,030 the two portraits on the wall had been turned upside down. 1162 00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:14,697 (ominous music) 1163 00:58:18,982 --> 00:58:21,786 The inverted paintings sent chills down my spine, 1164 00:58:21,786 --> 00:58:25,214 realizing that no one is able to watch their back 1165 00:58:25,214 --> 00:58:26,297 at all times. 1166 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,770 (chirping) 1167 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,670 (dramatic music) 1168 00:59:30,914 --> 00:59:32,552 - Let me introduce myself. 1169 00:59:32,552 --> 00:59:36,719 I am Jerry Solfvin, parapsychologist and psychologist. 1170 00:59:38,208 --> 00:59:40,698 In the process of doing what we do 1171 00:59:40,698 --> 00:59:42,797 at the Psychical Research Foundation, 1172 00:59:42,797 --> 00:59:47,209 we did get a call one day that interested us greatly, 1173 00:59:47,209 --> 00:59:49,665 and that was from the state police 1174 00:59:49,665 --> 00:59:51,818 of the state of Michigan. 1175 00:59:51,818 --> 00:59:54,187 We at the Duke University 1176 00:59:54,187 --> 00:59:57,501 and specifically the Psychical Research Foundation, 1177 00:59:57,501 --> 01:00:01,417 had interest and could be helpful to them 1178 01:00:01,417 --> 01:00:03,834 in solving a case that it had 1179 01:00:04,802 --> 01:00:06,504 that was problematic. 1180 01:00:06,504 --> 01:00:09,744 We immediately got more information about it, 1181 01:00:09,744 --> 01:00:12,681 and they said would you come up here, 1182 01:00:12,681 --> 01:00:14,606 and we said absolutely. 1183 01:00:14,606 --> 01:00:17,453 When I arrived I was met by the guy 1184 01:00:17,453 --> 01:00:18,905 I'd been talking to on the phone, 1185 01:00:18,905 --> 01:00:20,170 who was a state policeman. 1186 01:00:20,170 --> 01:00:24,337 Now, he works for a small unit which is a mini FBI. 1187 01:00:25,217 --> 01:00:27,886 They had been called into the case, they told me, 1188 01:00:27,886 --> 01:00:31,553 because the local police, the county police, 1189 01:00:32,485 --> 01:00:36,563 had a time of trying to solve this case, 1190 01:00:36,563 --> 01:00:40,101 with unusual things happening in this home 1191 01:00:40,101 --> 01:00:42,562 just outside of Saginaw, Michigan, 1192 01:00:42,562 --> 01:00:45,443 and neither of those police departments 1193 01:00:45,443 --> 01:00:49,159 were able, despite putting substantial manpower towards it, 1194 01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:52,932 were able to find out what was going on, 1195 01:00:52,932 --> 01:00:54,640 so they got called in, 1196 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,100 and they spent several weeks on the case, 1197 01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:59,597 at least one week of which 1198 01:00:59,597 --> 01:01:01,919 they actually moved into the house. 1199 01:01:01,919 --> 01:01:05,910 In any case, he gave me a full briefing, 1200 01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:10,337 a very extensive briefing on all that had been going on 1201 01:01:10,337 --> 01:01:11,763 and that they had learned 1202 01:01:11,763 --> 01:01:15,907 after about two years of activities in this house. 1203 01:01:15,907 --> 01:01:19,474 He drove me to the house on Dice Road, 1204 01:01:19,474 --> 01:01:21,698 the family met us there. 1205 01:01:21,698 --> 01:01:25,198 I got to meet Mabel and Harold Pomeraning, 1206 01:01:26,659 --> 01:01:29,760 and the two sons, Duane and Terry. 1207 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,814 Mabel looked at me and said, "Oh, I'm surprised. 1208 01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,981 "How come you don't wear your collar?" 1209 01:01:37,107 --> 01:01:38,850 I said, "What? 1210 01:01:38,850 --> 01:01:40,256 "Wear my collar? 1211 01:01:40,256 --> 01:01:42,550 "Why should I wear a collar?" 1212 01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:43,717 "Aren't you a priest?" 1213 01:01:43,717 --> 01:01:46,868 Of course, I and to explain to her I'm not a priest 1214 01:01:46,868 --> 01:01:48,839 or a minister nor an exorcist, 1215 01:01:48,839 --> 01:01:52,708 however, I do help to get rid of these things, 1216 01:01:52,708 --> 01:01:55,875 and help to them meant simply and only 1217 01:01:57,188 --> 01:01:59,021 get rid of this thing. 1218 01:02:01,648 --> 01:02:03,620 - In the late fall of 1974, 1219 01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:07,000 Saginaw County sheriff's department began to realize 1220 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,281 that what was taking place in the Pomeraning home 1221 01:02:10,281 --> 01:02:13,253 was not actually a criminal matter. 1222 01:02:13,253 --> 01:02:16,067 It was prowlers or harassments, 1223 01:02:16,067 --> 01:02:19,620 but actually something otherworldly taking place, 1224 01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:21,844 something supernatural. 1225 01:02:21,844 --> 01:02:23,231 Now, many of the deputies 1226 01:02:23,231 --> 01:02:25,908 from having been out here so many times, 1227 01:02:25,908 --> 01:02:28,487 began to have a relationship, 1228 01:02:28,487 --> 01:02:30,464 a friendship with Harold and Mabel. 1229 01:02:30,464 --> 01:02:33,062 They wanted to to try and help the family still, 1230 01:02:33,062 --> 01:02:36,021 and even protect them anyway that they could. 1231 01:02:36,021 --> 01:02:38,370 One of these deputies came to Harold 1232 01:02:38,370 --> 01:02:40,228 and said that he had a friend 1233 01:02:40,228 --> 01:02:42,991 that had vast knowledge of the occult. 1234 01:02:42,991 --> 01:02:46,195 So, late one night, this individual came to the house 1235 01:02:46,195 --> 01:02:49,701 accompanied by said deputy who we will not name. 1236 01:02:49,701 --> 01:02:52,418 He unboxed a Ouija board, 1237 01:02:52,418 --> 01:02:54,868 or, as some refer to it, a witch board. 1238 01:02:54,868 --> 01:02:57,015 Harold instantly became reluctant 1239 01:02:57,015 --> 01:02:59,733 as he knew that these type of objects 1240 01:02:59,733 --> 01:03:04,549 are synonymous with negativity and bad experience. 1241 01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:07,253 But again, being desperate for an answer, 1242 01:03:07,253 --> 01:03:09,973 he let the gentleman proceed. 1243 01:03:09,973 --> 01:03:12,562 The individual began to try to establish contact 1244 01:03:12,562 --> 01:03:16,229 when suddenly everybody in the room observed 1245 01:03:17,305 --> 01:03:20,395 a knife come out of the knife block, 1246 01:03:20,395 --> 01:03:22,322 levitate in the air, 1247 01:03:22,322 --> 01:03:25,943 and then throw across the room and sticking in a wall, 1248 01:03:25,943 --> 01:03:28,743 just missing the officer. 1249 01:03:28,743 --> 01:03:31,715 In front of me, obviously, I do have a Ouija board, 1250 01:03:31,715 --> 01:03:34,103 and I am about to break the cardinal rule 1251 01:03:34,103 --> 01:03:37,926 of a paranormal investigator by using one, 1252 01:03:37,926 --> 01:03:40,712 and of course by using one alone. 1253 01:03:40,712 --> 01:03:43,452 I am only doing this because I want to recreate 1254 01:03:43,452 --> 01:03:48,151 something that took place in this home nearly 41 years ago 1255 01:03:48,151 --> 01:03:51,063 in an attempt to try to reestablish contact 1256 01:03:51,063 --> 01:03:54,535 and try to solidify the activity in this home 1257 01:03:54,535 --> 01:03:58,285 and identify, if at all possible, its motive. 1258 01:04:03,849 --> 01:04:06,766 I'm attempting to establish contact 1259 01:04:07,703 --> 01:04:09,953 with the spirit, the deity, 1260 01:04:14,028 --> 01:04:17,445 the poltergeist, that inhabits this home. 1261 01:04:19,032 --> 01:04:23,897 You can communicate with me by moving this indicator 1262 01:04:23,897 --> 01:04:25,794 on the board, 1263 01:04:25,794 --> 01:04:29,913 and pointing out individual letters to spell out a word, 1264 01:04:29,913 --> 01:04:32,052 or you can also move the indicator 1265 01:04:32,052 --> 01:04:36,219 to the yes or the no section on the board as well. 1266 01:04:39,072 --> 01:04:40,822 Are you here with me? 1267 01:04:44,369 --> 01:04:46,869 Why did you harass and torment 1268 01:04:49,211 --> 01:04:51,961 Harold Pomeraning and his family? 1269 01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:09,766 Are you mad that we are in this house? 1270 01:05:13,929 --> 01:05:16,596 (ominous music) 1271 01:05:20,715 --> 01:05:22,635 Whatever was communicating through the board 1272 01:05:22,635 --> 01:05:25,177 had left no room for doubt. 1273 01:05:25,177 --> 01:05:27,844 We were not welcome in the home. 1274 01:05:30,669 --> 01:05:32,700 After reviewing the following footage, 1275 01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:36,867 it became clear that I was not alone in the barn after all. 1276 01:06:26,722 --> 01:06:28,706 As the activity in the Pomeraning home 1277 01:06:28,706 --> 01:06:30,804 grew with terrifying intensity, 1278 01:06:30,804 --> 01:06:33,085 the bewildered family began experiencing 1279 01:06:33,085 --> 01:06:35,682 spontaneous fires in the home. 1280 01:06:35,682 --> 01:06:38,179 Each of these fires were investigated thoroughly 1281 01:06:38,179 --> 01:06:41,009 and to this day, cannot be explained. 1282 01:06:41,009 --> 01:06:45,176 One of the fires was so baffling, it actually made history. 1283 01:06:48,514 --> 01:06:51,208 (dramatic music) 1284 01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:55,208 - Duane and his mother Mabel were at home alone. 1285 01:06:56,357 --> 01:06:57,744 I had left the house. 1286 01:06:57,744 --> 01:07:00,133 It was one of the times when I had to get more batteries 1287 01:07:00,133 --> 01:07:03,045 for the various equipment that I had, 1288 01:07:03,045 --> 01:07:07,317 so I told Mabel and she said, "No problem, go ahead, 1289 01:07:07,317 --> 01:07:09,943 "because, in fact, I feel very comfortable 1290 01:07:09,943 --> 01:07:12,384 "and uplifted today." 1291 01:07:12,384 --> 01:07:14,133 And I said, "Oh, why is that, Mabel?" 1292 01:07:14,133 --> 01:07:16,581 And she said, "Because we're going to church." 1293 01:07:16,581 --> 01:07:19,914 Then I went to a photo store in Saginaw, 1294 01:07:22,369 --> 01:07:26,723 and lo and behold, a fire has happened while I was gone. 1295 01:07:26,723 --> 01:07:29,608 So I come in, Mabel's now upset. 1296 01:07:29,608 --> 01:07:33,929 Mabel says, I'm standing here looking at Duane, 1297 01:07:33,929 --> 01:07:36,261 saying, okay, Duane, are you ready? 1298 01:07:36,261 --> 01:07:38,261 He says yes, yes, I'm just about ready, 1299 01:07:38,261 --> 01:07:39,861 I'm just finishing my hair. 1300 01:07:39,861 --> 01:07:44,329 At that moment, the toilet paper roll, she says, 1301 01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:47,853 burst to flame while she was watching it. 1302 01:07:47,853 --> 01:07:48,892 The whole thing, 1303 01:07:48,892 --> 01:07:53,181 including that little cardboard roll on the inside. 1304 01:07:53,181 --> 01:07:54,738 Ash, the whole thing, 1305 01:07:54,738 --> 01:07:57,645 and yet if you delicately handle it, 1306 01:07:57,645 --> 01:07:59,837 as the fire marshal did, 1307 01:07:59,837 --> 01:08:01,613 you could actually pick it up. 1308 01:08:01,613 --> 01:08:04,479 When he put it in his chromatography chamber 1309 01:08:04,479 --> 01:08:06,377 it was absolutely clean. 1310 01:08:06,377 --> 01:08:09,324 Nobody soaked this thing in alcohol 1311 01:08:09,324 --> 01:08:12,990 or any sort of flammable material whatsoever. 1312 01:08:12,990 --> 01:08:14,712 He wrote up his report 1313 01:08:14,712 --> 01:08:18,030 and in his report he wrote, for the first time, 1314 01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:19,421 in the state of history, 1315 01:08:19,421 --> 01:08:22,653 "There are no way that this could happen." 1316 01:08:22,653 --> 01:08:25,242 - February 13th, 1975, 1317 01:08:25,242 --> 01:08:27,041 Michigan department of state police. 1318 01:08:27,041 --> 01:08:28,865 It should be noted that two members 1319 01:08:28,865 --> 01:08:30,256 of the Duke University... 1320 01:08:30,256 --> 01:08:33,298 - Physical Research Foundation here in North Carolina, 1321 01:08:33,298 --> 01:08:36,805 have been conducting extensive testing at the residence 1322 01:08:36,805 --> 01:08:39,835 to determine the source of strange noises 1323 01:08:39,835 --> 01:08:43,606 and strange occurrences taking place there. 1324 01:08:43,606 --> 01:08:46,162 It is thought by all parties involved 1325 01:08:46,162 --> 01:08:49,889 that there is some supernatural phenomenon 1326 01:08:49,889 --> 01:08:51,388 occurring at this location. 1327 01:08:51,388 --> 01:08:53,327 - And that it also could mean 1328 01:08:53,327 --> 01:08:55,742 the cause of the fires which have occurred. 1329 01:08:55,742 --> 01:08:59,376 It is the understanding of the undersigned officer 1330 01:08:59,376 --> 01:09:01,836 that the burning of the roll of toilet paper 1331 01:09:01,836 --> 01:09:04,541 is next to humanly impossible 1332 01:09:04,541 --> 01:09:07,907 when it is rolled up in the normal toilet paper type roll, 1333 01:09:07,907 --> 01:09:10,544 as it is unable to get sufficient oxygen 1334 01:09:10,544 --> 01:09:14,044 to produce enough heat to sustain burning. 1335 01:09:16,742 --> 01:09:19,902 That's a document from the Michigan State police archives, 1336 01:09:19,902 --> 01:09:24,785 chronicling the bizarre fires with unknown origin 1337 01:09:24,785 --> 01:09:27,471 that took place here in the residence at Dice Road, 1338 01:09:27,471 --> 01:09:30,978 in particular in this area of the home, the east end, 1339 01:09:30,978 --> 01:09:33,694 and the bathroom directly in front of me. 1340 01:09:33,694 --> 01:09:37,862 We are now going to investigate this portion of the home. 1341 01:09:50,843 --> 01:09:53,093 Converting to night vision. 1342 01:10:08,696 --> 01:10:10,446 - That balcony. 1343 01:10:10,446 --> 01:10:13,196 (rain pattering) 1344 01:10:19,398 --> 01:10:21,418 This is really comin' down out there tonight. 1345 01:10:21,418 --> 01:10:23,934 - [Steven] The family lost everything 1346 01:10:23,934 --> 01:10:26,929 in that last and final fire. 1347 01:10:26,929 --> 01:10:31,096 Family heirlooms, photo albums, valuables, everything. 1348 01:10:35,361 --> 01:10:38,206 Why did you hate them so much 1349 01:10:38,206 --> 01:10:42,373 that you destroyed the family and took everything from them? 1350 01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:58,520 I'm getting a hit here on the K2 meter. 1351 01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:04,246 - Looks like this room hasn't been used in a while. 1352 01:11:04,246 --> 01:11:06,414 It's pretty dusty up here. 1353 01:11:13,508 --> 01:11:16,175 (ominous music) 1354 01:11:22,454 --> 01:11:24,291 - [Steven] Oh my God. 1355 01:11:24,291 --> 01:11:25,407 That is so strange. 1356 01:11:25,407 --> 01:11:29,157 It seems as if the closer I get to the floor. 1357 01:11:50,541 --> 01:11:53,791 Josh, you guys still in the crawlspace? 1358 01:11:54,639 --> 01:11:55,952 - [Josh] Yeah, we're still down here. 1359 01:11:55,952 --> 01:11:58,109 (radio beeping) 1360 01:11:58,109 --> 01:12:01,039 - [Steven] Could you possibly crawl to my location? 1361 01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:05,403 I'm in the original bathroom toward the east room wall. 1362 01:12:05,403 --> 01:12:06,253 - Copy that. 1363 01:12:06,253 --> 01:12:07,228 (radio beeping) 1364 01:12:07,228 --> 01:12:09,614 Do you think you could give me a knocking sound 1365 01:12:09,614 --> 01:12:12,350 so I know just about where you're at? 1366 01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:14,600 (knocking) 1367 01:12:21,731 --> 01:12:23,564 One more time, please. 1368 01:12:25,462 --> 01:12:27,712 (knocking) 1369 01:12:29,790 --> 01:12:31,696 Yeah, I'm right below ya. 1370 01:12:31,696 --> 01:12:34,223 - [Steven] I'm getting an incredibly high reading here 1371 01:12:34,223 --> 01:12:35,666 on my K2, 1372 01:12:35,666 --> 01:12:38,867 and I tracked it to the floor of all things, 1373 01:12:38,867 --> 01:12:40,530 and it's just solid red 1374 01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:43,530 Any wiring or cable underneath here? 1375 01:12:45,501 --> 01:12:46,505 - [Josh] None at all. 1376 01:12:46,505 --> 01:12:48,252 Nothing I see anywhere around here. 1377 01:12:48,252 --> 01:12:50,853 (radio beeping) 1378 01:12:50,853 --> 01:12:52,325 - [Steven] Can you pull out your EMF detector 1379 01:12:52,325 --> 01:12:54,787 and see if you can pick up this signal? 1380 01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:55,787 - Copy that. 1381 01:12:55,787 --> 01:12:58,593 (radio beeping) 1382 01:12:58,593 --> 01:13:02,577 Shouldn't be having a reading like this. 1383 01:13:02,577 --> 01:13:03,927 - [Steven] A K2 reading that high... 1384 01:13:03,927 --> 01:13:04,927 - [Man] Hey. 1385 01:13:06,645 --> 01:13:09,397 Got a reading here on the EMF detector, 1386 01:13:09,397 --> 01:13:13,205 displaying on the ground of the crawlspace. 1387 01:13:13,205 --> 01:13:15,222 - [Man] All right, there's gotta be something going on here, 1388 01:13:15,222 --> 01:13:17,290 because I'm displaying that red 1389 01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:18,883 and you're tracking it to the ground 1390 01:13:18,883 --> 01:13:21,389 and we're getting a lot of radio interference. 1391 01:13:21,389 --> 01:13:23,697 Could there be any wires or cables 1392 01:13:23,697 --> 01:13:25,752 running underneath this house? 1393 01:13:25,752 --> 01:13:28,061 - [Man] You think the homeowners would care 1394 01:13:28,061 --> 01:13:30,059 if I dug in the ground here a bit 1395 01:13:30,059 --> 01:13:32,590 and tried to find the EMF reading I'm gettin' down here? 1396 01:13:32,590 --> 01:13:34,425 - [Man] No, I don't know that they would mind. 1397 01:13:34,425 --> 01:13:36,094 If anything, we might be doing them a service, 1398 01:13:36,094 --> 01:13:38,065 because if that's a rogue live wire 1399 01:13:38,065 --> 01:13:39,916 or something that shouldn't be there, 1400 01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:41,832 we better let them know about it. 1401 01:13:41,832 --> 01:13:42,786 - [Man] Copy that. 1402 01:13:42,786 --> 01:13:43,742 (radio beeping) 1403 01:13:43,742 --> 01:13:45,438 - [Steven] Man, we've gotta locate the source of this. 1404 01:13:45,438 --> 01:13:47,005 I just hope that they're using caution 1405 01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:51,014 because it's definitely not worth getting electrocuted over, 1406 01:13:51,014 --> 01:13:55,377 but if it's a live wire that shouldn't be there... 1407 01:13:55,377 --> 01:13:57,728 - [Man On Radio] I think I've found something buried here. 1408 01:13:57,728 --> 01:13:58,561 It's in the... 1409 01:13:58,561 --> 01:13:59,603 (noise drowns out dialogue) 1410 01:13:59,603 --> 01:14:03,755 - [Man On Radio] Is it cabling or wiring? 1411 01:14:03,755 --> 01:14:05,943 - It doesn't look that way. 1412 01:14:05,943 --> 01:14:07,790 - [Steven] All right, just try to identify it, 1413 01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:09,623 but please be careful. 1414 01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:14,198 (grunts) 1415 01:14:18,226 --> 01:14:21,965 - [Man] I found a jar in the mud down here. 1416 01:14:21,965 --> 01:14:24,589 - [Man On Radio] Any wires, anything like that? 1417 01:14:24,589 --> 01:14:25,888 Is it a conduit of some sort? 1418 01:14:25,888 --> 01:14:26,793 (radio beeping) 1419 01:14:26,793 --> 01:14:27,826 - [Man On Radio] Negative. 1420 01:14:27,826 --> 01:14:29,924 (radio beeping) 1421 01:14:29,924 --> 01:14:30,860 - [Man On Radio] Most of this reading 1422 01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:31,966 seems to be coming from this drawer, 1423 01:14:31,966 --> 01:14:33,611 left or right of it, 1424 01:14:33,611 --> 01:14:35,636 and it goes up and down, 1425 01:14:35,636 --> 01:14:38,217 but when I get back over this drawer 1426 01:14:38,217 --> 01:14:41,251 the reading goes through the roof. 1427 01:14:41,251 --> 01:14:42,541 - [Man On Radio] So you're telling me that these readings 1428 01:14:42,541 --> 01:14:45,550 are actually coming from the drawer itself. 1429 01:14:45,550 --> 01:14:48,383 - That's the way it appears to me. 1430 01:14:49,407 --> 01:14:51,029 - [Steven] Meet me at the entrance of the crawlspace. 1431 01:14:51,029 --> 01:14:52,620 I'm gonna head there now. 1432 01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:53,452 - [Man On Radio] Copy that. 1433 01:14:53,452 --> 01:14:56,120 (radio beeping) 1434 01:15:03,759 --> 01:15:06,509 (dramatic music) 1435 01:15:14,344 --> 01:15:17,034 - Josh, where are you guys at? 1436 01:15:17,034 --> 01:15:18,971 - Almost there. 1437 01:15:18,971 --> 01:15:21,221 - [Man On Radio] Copy that. 1438 01:15:46,666 --> 01:15:49,360 - [Man] This is an old glass jar. 1439 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,443 We got somethin' in here. 1440 01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:11,518 - [Man] What is that? 1441 01:16:11,518 --> 01:16:13,268 - [Man] I don't know. 1442 01:16:15,125 --> 01:16:18,791 There's definitely a bunch of water in here. 1443 01:16:24,184 --> 01:16:26,268 I don't know what that... 1444 01:16:35,286 --> 01:16:37,300 (dramatic music) 1445 01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:40,218 We can't tell if that's cloth or... 1446 01:17:17,978 --> 01:17:19,923 It says Harold. 1447 01:17:19,923 --> 01:17:21,866 - [Woman] Three big black Xs. 1448 01:17:21,866 --> 01:17:22,730 - [Man] Sign of the devil. 1449 01:17:22,730 --> 01:17:24,581 It was evil worshipers. 1450 01:17:24,581 --> 01:17:25,673 - [Woman] There is something coming up 1451 01:17:25,673 --> 01:17:27,130 through the floor here. 1452 01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:29,827 What is directly underneath this room? 1453 01:17:29,827 --> 01:17:31,341 - [Steven] Crawlspace. 1454 01:17:31,341 --> 01:17:33,094 - [Man] And I guess there was some type of argument 1455 01:17:33,094 --> 01:17:34,520 between her and Harold, 1456 01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,673 but Harold told my father that he always thought 1457 01:17:37,673 --> 01:17:39,327 that she may have been responsible 1458 01:17:39,327 --> 01:17:40,875 and did something to the house. 1459 01:17:40,875 --> 01:17:41,871 - [Man] Then shortly after, 1460 01:17:41,871 --> 01:17:44,654 we started having a lot of problems. 1461 01:17:44,654 --> 01:17:47,071 (whispering) 1462 01:17:52,617 --> 01:17:56,101 - When a police officer comes to the end of his shift, 1463 01:17:56,101 --> 01:18:00,200 retirement, when his tour is over and he retires, 1464 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,432 it isn't the cases that he solved 1465 01:18:03,432 --> 01:18:06,117 that he remembers the most, 1466 01:18:06,117 --> 01:18:09,431 the cases he remembers are the ones that he did not solve. 1467 01:18:09,431 --> 01:18:12,344 I still remember the Pomeraning case. 1468 01:18:12,344 --> 01:18:13,657 - Like I say, there are certain things 1469 01:18:13,657 --> 01:18:17,106 that you'll always remember, and that's one of 'em. 1470 01:18:17,106 --> 01:18:18,387 I'm sure I'll always remember it. 1471 01:18:18,387 --> 01:18:19,897 - This is a great case 1472 01:18:19,897 --> 01:18:23,421 because it really is what we're studying. 1473 01:18:23,421 --> 01:18:27,374 This is the heartbeat of what we study in parapsychology. 1474 01:18:27,374 --> 01:18:29,807 - They covered every base they could possibly cover 1475 01:18:29,807 --> 01:18:32,389 and still no one could find out 1476 01:18:33,531 --> 01:18:37,293 what the cause of these actions were. 1477 01:18:37,293 --> 01:18:38,945 - I guess my regret would be 1478 01:18:38,945 --> 01:18:41,528 that I was unable to help them. 1479 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,264 I could find nothing. 1480 01:18:44,264 --> 01:18:46,407 - I believe there was something there. 1481 01:18:46,407 --> 01:18:48,300 - I believe them 100 percent. 1482 01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:49,835 - I had no problem at all believin' 'em, 1483 01:18:49,835 --> 01:18:51,169 because I witnessed part of it. 1484 01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:52,816 How could you not believe 'em? 1485 01:18:52,816 --> 01:18:53,933 - I can't explain it. 1486 01:18:53,933 --> 01:18:55,546 In fact, nobody's explained it yet. 1487 01:18:55,546 --> 01:19:00,002 - The real progress in explaining the Dice Road case 1488 01:19:00,002 --> 01:19:02,844 is gonna come when we get a lot more cases 1489 01:19:02,844 --> 01:19:05,735 and we can put 'em together in that large database 1490 01:19:05,735 --> 01:19:07,813 that I talked about earlier. 1491 01:19:07,813 --> 01:19:09,299 That's how science works. 1492 01:19:09,299 --> 01:19:11,465 - I believe that with all the police reports, 1493 01:19:11,465 --> 01:19:14,605 everything that was put into this vindicates the family. 1494 01:19:14,605 --> 01:19:18,340 - I hope they get some peace with it 1495 01:19:18,340 --> 01:19:20,000 up in heaven where they're at. 1496 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,449 - I think that they would be happy 1497 01:19:21,449 --> 01:19:22,661 that you are doing this 1498 01:19:22,661 --> 01:19:25,612 to try to clear their name. 1499 01:19:25,612 --> 01:19:27,763 - [Steven] That's exactly what we intend to do. 1500 01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:29,008 - Well, thank you very much. 1501 01:19:29,008 --> 01:19:31,400 - [Steven] For anybody out there watching this, 1502 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,313 and anybody that might doubt 1503 01:19:34,313 --> 01:19:36,612 that these things happened, 1504 01:19:36,612 --> 01:19:39,503 what would you say to them? 1505 01:19:39,503 --> 01:19:41,753 - I would say to a doubter, 1506 01:19:43,246 --> 01:19:44,329 not to doubt. 1507 01:19:45,335 --> 01:19:49,192 There are a lot of things that happened in this world 1508 01:19:49,192 --> 01:19:51,109 that are unexplainable, 1509 01:19:53,011 --> 01:19:55,833 and I would also say that many of these things 1510 01:19:55,833 --> 01:19:57,416 we are not to know. 1511 01:19:58,927 --> 01:20:01,677 (dramatic music) 1512 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,039 - [Man] I would pray to God and say 1513 01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:12,514 "Why are You allowing this to happen to us?" 1514 01:20:12,514 --> 01:20:14,330 - [Man] Get rid of the thing. 1515 01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:16,246 - [Man] There's evil spirits. 1516 01:20:16,246 --> 01:20:18,547 - [Man] She was seen several times coming out 1517 01:20:18,547 --> 01:20:21,227 of the Dice Road cemetery. 1518 01:20:21,227 --> 01:20:23,242 - [Man] How could you not believe 'em? 1519 01:20:23,242 --> 01:20:25,770 - [Man] She was one of a kind, she was a saint. 1520 01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:27,746 - [Man] Harold had a heart attack shortly after that. 1521 01:20:27,746 --> 01:20:30,087 - [Man] She made sure that she cut my hair. 1522 01:20:30,087 --> 01:20:33,625 - [Man] Two years of activity in this house. 1523 01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:36,625 Whatever occurred at Dice and Chapel 1524 01:20:37,731 --> 01:20:40,041 will always be a mystery because nobody knows. 1525 01:20:40,041 --> 01:20:41,852 - [Man] There are things in this world 1526 01:20:41,852 --> 01:20:43,852 we're not meant to know. 1527 01:20:46,966 --> 01:20:50,499 - [Man] I hope they get some peace with it, 1528 01:20:50,499 --> 01:20:53,332 up in heaven, wherever they're at. 1529 01:20:56,401 --> 01:20:59,734 (gentle dramatic music) 1530 01:22:25,777 --> 01:22:29,110 (gentle dramatic music) 110757

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