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- [Dave] We've been here...
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- [Louann] Been 38 years.
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We bought it in 1978.
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- Went by and saw the for sale sign,
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and decided to take a look at it.
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- I know when we first went by it,
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I recall it being the haunted house.
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- Louann still has a high school friend
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that was divorced and dating a gentleman
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that was a part-time policeman
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with the Saginaw County
Sheriff Department,
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and we went fishin' one day,
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just on a whim and a
prayer on the way home
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I said, "Hey, maybe next weekend or so,
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"we could have you guys over
to our house for a barbecue."
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And he said, "No."
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Okay, what do you mean, no?
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He says, "I'm not going to your house."
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I said, "What do you mean,
not going to my house?"
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That's all I'm sayin'.
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Said "I will not go to your house."
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And come to find out he had been here,
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through the county sheriff department.
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So that threw up a red flag.
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Well, something apparently
had gone on here.
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- I know my granddaughter and
my grandson they were here
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and happened to see a flash
of light that went by.
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She thought it was kind of
bluish yellow, I think it was.
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That's one thing recently
that she told me about,
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then my other two daughters,
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they mentioned a few
things to us recently,
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but at the time I don't recall
them telling us about it.
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- My parents went out to dinner,
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and we were here alone,
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and we were sitting in
the main living room.
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We saw a flash outside and
then our dog started barking,
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got up on the bay window
and started barking,
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and then we looked and some guy
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put his head up into the
window and peaked in like this.
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- It was like a white face.
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- Yeah.
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- It was literally like a glow.
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I mean, you couldn't
really see much of anything
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except for a round white head
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with his hands like this.
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- So we came running into the other room,
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and Bridgette called our neighbor,
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and it was snowing and there
was no footprints or anything.
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There was nothing.
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- [Interviewer] What did you know,
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whether it'd be a little or a lot
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about the past of this home?
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- I knew a little growing up,
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but as I got older we heard much more.
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Things that would scare us,
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but we didn't know if it was true,
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it was just rumors, hearsay,
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and then my Dad had an
article that he showed us,
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and we read that and that's
when it really spooked me.
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- I was sleeping one night,
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and I was woken up by like a flash.
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As soon as opened my eyes, my
dog was at the end of the bed,
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growling at nothin'.
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- Back in February, my daughter, who's 11,
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had a same experience.
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She saw a flash of light go through.
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There was no lights on,
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and she just seen it just
kind of go by her eyes.
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I would like some answers
and some clarity to it,
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because it's always in
the back of my mind now
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and that my kids are here quite often
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and now they're questioning
things, you know,
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and a little bit scared.
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(ominous music)
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- [Narrator] To comprehend
the magnitude of these events,
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you'd have to know the whole
story, how it all began.
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(gentle music)
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- Hi, I'm Terry Pomeraning,
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son of Harold and Mabel Pomeraning.
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My parents built this house back in 1951,
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had their first child in
1953, my brother Duanne,
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and I was born in 1955.
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Been livin' here out in the country,
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it was just the best.
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Started helpin' my Dad,
my grandpa on the farm
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when I was eight years old.
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Closest neighbor is maybe a
quarter, half mile from ya.
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My parents lived here for 20 years.
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My brother 19, myself 17 years,
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we never ever had any
problems in this house.
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- [Interviewer] What
was your first encounter
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with the Pomeranings?
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- Now we have to go back about,
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I'm thinkin' 40 years.
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The first call I got was prowlers.
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Went on a prowler call.
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Mr. Pomeraning, we got
to know him very well,
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and we called him Harold.
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He knew us and later on
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he didn't call us such pleasant names
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because we couldn't solve
what his problem was.
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Harold would tell us that as
soon as he would come home,
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noises would start.
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There would be pounding
on the walls outside.
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We would check the exterior of the house,
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we'd find nothing, no damage to the house.
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We would check for footprints
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and other evidence of
someone prowling around,
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but we could never locate anything.
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- [Interviewer] Had you
known Harold Pomeraning
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or any of the Pomeranings
prior to this event?
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- You knew everybody in this community.
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Yes.
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You didn't maybe know him personally,
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'cause I don't have a cup of
coffee with everyone of 'em,
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but you knew everybody,
you knew their name,
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you knew who they looked like.
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They were, he was a shop
worker, and very cordial
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and down to earth people.
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- They came over to our house quite a bit.
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They always come over to
the kids' birthday party,
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and like I said, she'd
bring baked goods over
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and stuff like that,
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but after it all got really bad,
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I was too scared to come over.
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- The second contact I
had with Mr. Pomeraning,
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I was going to position myself
not too far from his house,
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and wait to see if he called.
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That was about a half a mile,
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and sure enough I got
dispatched to his house.
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I hit it with my spotlights,
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and I saw absolutely nothing.
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Dispatch kept saying it.
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Was someone still beating on his house?
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And I'm saying I'm right
in front of the house,
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and I see absolutely nothing,
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so just tell him I'm out and
I'm gonna be right in there.
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Well, the minute that I
pulled into his driveway,
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he had an outside light.
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Well, the light went out,
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but as the light went
out I heard some noise,
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so when I got out of the
car and I looked at it,
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it was not only out,
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but it had exploded,
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and the noise I heard was shrapnel
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from the glass hitting my car.
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I went in and talked to Mr. Pomeraning.
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He said, "Well, you better go check."
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He was very adamant that
I go outside and check.
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I said, "Well, you wanna come with me?"
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He said, "No, I don't wanna go out there."
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I said, "Well, okay."
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I go out and I walked all
the way around the house
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and I saw no evidence whatsoever of anyone
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that would be walking through his yard
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or around his house.
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So I went back in and talked to him again.
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And just before I left,
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a picture on the wall actually
dropped down, straight down.
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I looked at the picture frame.
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The holder was still intact,
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and the holder on the
wall was still intact.
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I don't know what made it drop
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and just slide down,
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but it did.
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I can attest to that.
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I will swear to that.
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(ominous music)
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- Right now I'm in the kitchen
of the Dice Road residence,
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and one could say that the
entire case started right here.
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This cutout to my left was once a window
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overlooking the backyard,
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and obviously the family
room here is an addition.
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And, late one night while the
Pomeranings were fast asleep,
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it was midnight or one
o'clock in the morning.
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There was a pounding at this window.
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The pounding was so hard it
actually shattered the glass,
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the glass dumping here into the sink.
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Harold sprung out of
bed, grabbed his shotgun,
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and began clearing the home
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thinking somebody must've broken in.
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Well, needless to say,
nobody actually broke in.
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The Saginaw County
sheriff's department came,
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investigated and filed the report.
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The family had no idea
that from that day forward,
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every single night the
police would be called,
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that the pounding would continue
and reach epic proportions.
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What really came in that
window was actually an evil
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to the likes in which this
community has never seen.
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It wasn't long before we had captured
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our first piece of evidence on camera.
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A radio in the kitchen
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had unexplainably turned on by itself.
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(radio static blaring)
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(ominous music)
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- The family was complaining
about knockings or loud noises
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as if somebody was hitting
the side of the house
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with baseball bat.
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- It was more of just a banging noise.
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You know, just a...
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Oh, somebody had taken a tub upside down
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and hit it with a wooden
stick or something like that,
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just a bang.
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- You knock.
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Harder.
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It was like, it was
going every five minutes,
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but even 10 times harder.
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That's what it sounded like.
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Just a boom boom boom.
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- You could hear it but
you couldn't see anybody.
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- If it would been somebody inside,
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the drywall would have been broke.
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- The activities that I
performed while I was here
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was to to do a thorough search
for any electrical device,
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noise-making device,
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something that would cause the pounding
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or the appearance of
pounding through sound.
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We'd find no wires, no devices,
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and had to conclude
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that there was no
physical evidence present.
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- [Steven] What was that like for you?
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I mean, wondering who was
outside, why they were doing it.
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- It was scary, really.
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I mean, just the thought of,
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once it gets dark, you know,
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it's gonna start up tonight again.
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(ominous music)
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(rain pattering)
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- So right now we're on the
east end of the property here
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at Dice Road.
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This is the original aluminum
siding from the house
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when it was built in 1951,
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and what's really interesting,
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if you go off the infrared
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and turn on your standard color there,
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you can see dents still remaining
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here on the aluminum siding.
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So, whatever was pounding on the house
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had enormous strength,
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and even more bizarre, was never detected.
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Prior to starting the
investigation, Terry Pomeraning
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had given us a tour of his childhood home,
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recalling the numerous
incidents in great detail.
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Upon entering the kitchen,
he explained that the faucet
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would often turn on by itself.
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(water running)
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(water running)
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(ominous music)
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- Every night when the
pounding would start,
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my Dad still called the Saginaw
County sheriff department.
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They came out every night,
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some nights multiple times they'd come out
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and never see nothin'.
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- It was gettin' to a point where
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a lot of guys didn't
even wanna go out there.
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It was the same thing over and over.
259
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You could have probably at
one time taken one report,
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and every time you went out
there, ran it on a copy machine,
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turned it in, it'd be the same thing.
262
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This is a report that
myself Deputy Duanne Graham,
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who is now deceased,
264
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took 9-9 of 1974
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at 12:44 in the morning.
266
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Mr. Pomeraning had called
the sheriff's department
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and stated that he had heard someone
268
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walking around outside his house,
269
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and that someone was beating
on the side of his house.
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He reported this has been
happening for sometime,
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and he's beginning to
wonder why this department
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has failed to catch someone.
273
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The area was checked
with no signs of persons
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being around the house or
in the area could be found.
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Same thing happened on 9-1,
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same thing, somebody beatin' on the house.
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They checked, they could find nothing.
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9-10, the next night, same thing.
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A report someone was beating on his door,
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and this time these officers
did hear a thumping noise
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near the house,
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and they hit the house with spotlights
283
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and there was nothing.
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9-13, three days later, same thing.
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Complaints say someone
was banging on the house,
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area was checked, nothing found.
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9-14, next night, same thing.
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- They were gettin' very irritated.
289
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My Dad was upset with
the sheriff's department.
290
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It was just gettin' on
everybody's nerves really.
291
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- This is Tim conducting an
EVP session in the dining room.
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Have you been here longer
than this house on this land?
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Is there something about
this land in particular
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that draws you to it?
295
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Was it your land?
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- [Steven] Be careful.
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Look at that.
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Black pellet powder.
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Dangerous.
300
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They used to make their
own ammunition back then.
301
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It's interesting just
how things have changed.
302
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A super heavy feeling in here.
303
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Wow.
304
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Look at that structural damage.
305
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We have to really, really be careful.
306
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- Were you mad that Harold
built a house on this land?
307
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Is that why you tormented
them for so long?
308
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How long have you been here?
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(banging)
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- That's about to give.
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Residents in the area claim
to see dark shadowy figures
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emerging from this barn at night.
313
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Are you perhaps one of the
original family members
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who bought this land?
315
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Got a creepy old desk there.
316
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This way, go this way.
317
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I was surprised to hear footsteps
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coming from the old hayloft above.
319
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You can actually see dust and
debris falling all around me
320
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as the heavy steps occurred.
321
00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:20,986
Due to the severe structural damage,
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I was unable to investigate the hayloft.
323
00:15:24,272 --> 00:15:28,009
Instead, I placed infrared
cameras all around the perimeter
324
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in an attempt to capture
whatever had been lurking
325
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in the old barn.
326
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(door creaking)
327
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(ominous music)
328
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- When Steven first reached out to me
329
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and made contact I was pretty lerry,
330
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but after speaking with
him, I did agree to meet,
331
00:16:16,459 --> 00:16:20,626
but at that time I still wasn't
willing to share this story.
332
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(door creaking)
333
00:16:29,914 --> 00:16:34,698
My name is Mark and I served
23 years in law enforcement
334
00:16:34,698 --> 00:16:37,496
and am currently a retired
homicide detective.
335
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When I was 12 years old, my
father worked with Harold.
336
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They worked in the Midland area.
337
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My father basically came home one night
338
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and said that a man
that he new down at work
339
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was having some problems with his house.
340
00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,933
The gentlemen asked him
to come over to the house
341
00:16:52,933 --> 00:16:53,918
and see if he could explain
342
00:16:53,918 --> 00:16:55,435
some of the things that were goin' on.
343
00:16:55,435 --> 00:16:57,790
So, naturally as a 12-year old boy,
344
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I became very interested in it,
345
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and thought, well, what's
wrong with the house?
346
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Is it haunted?
347
00:17:03,566 --> 00:17:05,080
Well, my father didn't know.
348
00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,765
In fact, he said that Harold
349
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did not really believe in ghosts,
350
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and he thought it was something
that he could explain.
351
00:17:12,636 --> 00:17:15,541
When we arrived at the house,
I remember Harold coming out
352
00:17:15,541 --> 00:17:17,510
one of the side doors.
353
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:20,046
There was a doberman pincher that he had.
354
00:17:20,046 --> 00:17:24,099
My father asked Harold is the dog okay.
355
00:17:24,099 --> 00:17:25,111
The dog was okay now,
356
00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:28,771
but at one time it could be aggressive.
357
00:17:28,771 --> 00:17:31,194
One night he heard something knocking
358
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on the outside of his house,
359
00:17:33,038 --> 00:17:36,004
and he let the dog out and
it ran around the house,
360
00:17:36,004 --> 00:17:38,241
and it was barking like there
was something out there,
361
00:17:38,241 --> 00:17:41,829
and he said it sounded like
the dog was getting beat.
362
00:17:41,829 --> 00:17:43,588
It's never really been the same since.
363
00:17:43,588 --> 00:17:45,620
From there, my father and him
364
00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:48,852
basically would discuss certain,
365
00:17:48,852 --> 00:17:50,396
I guess you would call them theories.
366
00:17:50,396 --> 00:17:53,868
I remember at one point
during their conversations,
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00:17:53,868 --> 00:17:56,189
he produced a set of tapes,
368
00:17:56,189 --> 00:17:59,288
and I remember him playing
those tapes for my father,
369
00:17:59,288 --> 00:18:00,730
and you could hear the pounding.
370
00:18:00,730 --> 00:18:04,147
I also recall that as the evening wore on
371
00:18:06,428 --> 00:18:08,851
I could sense that Harold was becoming,
372
00:18:08,851 --> 00:18:13,007
I guess the word you would
want to use was embarrassed,
373
00:18:13,007 --> 00:18:16,605
because according to him this took place
374
00:18:16,605 --> 00:18:17,692
many times in a day.
375
00:18:17,692 --> 00:18:19,942
It was like he was absolutely sure
376
00:18:19,942 --> 00:18:22,243
that when we came over,
377
00:18:22,243 --> 00:18:23,915
that we would hear these sounds,
378
00:18:23,915 --> 00:18:26,939
and as the evening wore
on, nothing ever happened.
379
00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:28,797
He was embarrassed to
the point at this time
380
00:18:28,797 --> 00:18:32,565
that he was actually raising his fist,
381
00:18:32,565 --> 00:18:36,398
and kind of like talking
to whatever was there
382
00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:42,159
and saying, come on you son
of a, you know, show yourself.
383
00:18:43,829 --> 00:18:46,636
That's when something did
happen, is unexplainable.
384
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Right on the side wall of the kitchen,
385
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just massive poundings.
386
00:18:51,733 --> 00:18:53,400
It just bam bam bam.
387
00:18:55,243 --> 00:18:58,681
There was, what I recall,
two plates on that wall,
388
00:18:58,681 --> 00:19:01,154
and that wall, whatever was hitting it,
389
00:19:01,154 --> 00:19:04,684
it hit so hard that those
plates just started bouncing
390
00:19:04,684 --> 00:19:05,531
along that wall,
391
00:19:05,531 --> 00:19:07,714
and I'll never forget looking over
392
00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:10,267
and seeing those plates bounce.
393
00:19:10,267 --> 00:19:12,955
And immediately after that sound happened,
394
00:19:12,955 --> 00:19:17,722
Harold immediately yelled
out, "See, I told you.
395
00:19:17,722 --> 00:19:19,184
"Now explain that to me.
396
00:19:19,184 --> 00:19:21,530
"You tell me what that sound is."
397
00:19:21,530 --> 00:19:24,484
Well, five maybe 10 minutes later,
398
00:19:24,484 --> 00:19:27,738
the very loud poundings in
the ceiling of the kitchen,
399
00:19:27,738 --> 00:19:31,653
not quite as loud, more of a rumbling,
400
00:19:31,653 --> 00:19:32,632
like something was just rumbling
401
00:19:32,632 --> 00:19:34,184
through the ceiling of the kitchen.
402
00:19:34,184 --> 00:19:36,239
Everybody in the house was accounted for.
403
00:19:36,239 --> 00:19:38,513
That was pretty much my
experience at the house.
404
00:19:38,513 --> 00:19:41,991
This is where something
happened to our family.
405
00:19:41,991 --> 00:19:45,230
Probably around a half
hour after we got home,
406
00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:48,054
I was downstairs and we had a
downstairs door at the time,
407
00:19:48,054 --> 00:19:50,102
I was probably five feet
away from that door,
408
00:19:50,102 --> 00:19:53,348
now this is probably around
midnight at that time,
409
00:19:53,348 --> 00:19:56,709
and all of a sudden I hear
three knocks on the door.
410
00:19:56,709 --> 00:20:00,006
Opened it up, there's nobody there.
411
00:20:00,006 --> 00:20:03,286
Those knocks on our door
happened three times
412
00:20:03,286 --> 00:20:05,074
in probably a five or six day period.
413
00:20:05,074 --> 00:20:09,283
Our family took that as I guess
you would call it a warning.
414
00:20:09,283 --> 00:20:10,518
You may not wanna become involved
415
00:20:10,518 --> 00:20:12,603
in something that you shouldn't.
416
00:20:12,603 --> 00:20:15,770
So, we never did go back to the house.
417
00:20:20,202 --> 00:20:24,299
- Up here, Harold's wife
Mable would collect fine china
418
00:20:24,299 --> 00:20:25,728
and antique plates,
419
00:20:25,728 --> 00:20:29,356
and she proudly displayed them right here.
420
00:20:29,356 --> 00:20:31,527
Eye witnesses in sheriff's office,
421
00:20:31,527 --> 00:20:33,958
deputies who investigated this case
422
00:20:33,958 --> 00:20:36,984
would claim that when
the pounding would occur,
423
00:20:36,984 --> 00:20:39,254
the plates would actually sway
424
00:20:39,254 --> 00:20:41,551
right off the wall in conjunction,
425
00:20:41,551 --> 00:20:44,443
that the pounding had that much power.
426
00:20:44,443 --> 00:20:46,038
Now, when one thing's pounding,
427
00:20:46,038 --> 00:20:49,262
naturally, you think a
fist pounding on the wall,
428
00:20:49,262 --> 00:20:52,147
but the pounding was
actually much more powerful
429
00:20:52,147 --> 00:20:54,469
than what it sounds to be.
430
00:20:54,469 --> 00:20:56,534
Another instance,
actually, back over here,
431
00:20:56,534 --> 00:20:58,367
is at the knife block.
432
00:21:00,648 --> 00:21:02,514
Terry Pomeraning stated to us
433
00:21:02,514 --> 00:21:05,545
that a knife actually came
out of the knife block...
434
00:21:05,545 --> 00:21:07,795
(crashing)
435
00:21:09,167 --> 00:21:10,250
Jesus Christ.
436
00:21:11,384 --> 00:21:13,669
Come here, come here.
437
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:15,086
Did you get that?
438
00:21:21,744 --> 00:21:22,577
Look.
439
00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:25,016
What the...
440
00:21:25,016 --> 00:21:25,849
(beeping drowns out dialogue)
441
00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:28,149
It seemed as though whatever
was inhabiting the home
442
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:31,922
was growing tired of our
intrusion and gaining in strength.
443
00:21:31,922 --> 00:21:36,089
Perhaps worse things were yet
to come if we did not leave.
444
00:21:38,708 --> 00:21:40,958
(chirping)
445
00:22:27,094 --> 00:22:29,761
(ominous music)
446
00:22:31,675 --> 00:22:34,355
(dramatic music)
447
00:22:34,355 --> 00:22:35,651
- My name's Tim Everett.
448
00:22:35,651 --> 00:22:38,217
Mabel Pomeraning was my aunt.
449
00:22:38,217 --> 00:22:40,021
She was my Mom's older sister.
450
00:22:40,021 --> 00:22:42,561
My aunt was a special woman.
451
00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:45,961
She would've given you
the shirt off her back.
452
00:22:45,961 --> 00:22:48,448
She dropped out of high
school in the 11th grade
453
00:22:48,448 --> 00:22:51,948
to go and work to help support the family.
454
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,694
She met my uncle Harold
at a dance, I believe.
455
00:22:57,694 --> 00:23:02,240
They dated for a while and
I remember their wedding.
456
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,464
I was the ring bearer,
457
00:23:03,464 --> 00:23:07,389
so you can tell it was many
years ago that they got married.
458
00:23:07,389 --> 00:23:09,188
They were farmers.
459
00:23:09,188 --> 00:23:11,500
That was a new lifestyle for her
460
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,101
because she was a city girl.
461
00:23:13,101 --> 00:23:15,184
Harold was a hard worker.
462
00:23:16,661 --> 00:23:19,731
He worked nights at Dow Chemi Co,
463
00:23:19,731 --> 00:23:22,262
and would come home in the day time,
464
00:23:22,262 --> 00:23:23,888
would take care of the farm.
465
00:23:23,888 --> 00:23:27,624
Terry, you would see
right along with his Dad.
466
00:23:27,624 --> 00:23:30,552
He had a very normal
existence in the house
467
00:23:30,552 --> 00:23:33,802
until what happened happened, you know,
468
00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:38,232
when it began,
469
00:23:38,232 --> 00:23:41,338
and then everything changed.
470
00:23:41,338 --> 00:23:44,588
Their lives changed, the house changed,
471
00:23:46,357 --> 00:23:48,046
everything just became hell.
472
00:23:48,046 --> 00:23:51,796
She never, never deserved
to have this happen
473
00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:54,944
to her and her family.
474
00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:57,694
(dramatic music)
475
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,086
(ominous music)
476
00:24:05,086 --> 00:24:09,169
- The number of man hours
attributed to this case
477
00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:12,882
is immeasurable, it's immense.
478
00:24:12,882 --> 00:24:16,974
I never saw this much
investigation done on a homicide.
479
00:24:16,974 --> 00:24:20,641
Myself and another deputy
staked the house out,
480
00:24:20,641 --> 00:24:21,873
and it was raining that night,
481
00:24:21,873 --> 00:24:23,450
I remember it was raining,
482
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:26,057
and all of a sudden we
did hear some banging.
483
00:24:26,057 --> 00:24:27,370
And my partner says, well,
484
00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:28,698
I'm gonna go this way, you go that way,
485
00:24:28,698 --> 00:24:30,111
and whatever it is, we're gonna go 'im.
486
00:24:30,111 --> 00:24:33,217
So I went to the west side of the house,
487
00:24:33,217 --> 00:24:35,841
my partner went to the
east side of the house.
488
00:24:35,841 --> 00:24:38,195
Well, the noise came, and
I yelled to my partner.
489
00:24:38,195 --> 00:24:40,310
He said I heard it, but
I don't see anything.
490
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:42,418
So again, we checked, it had been raining,
491
00:24:42,418 --> 00:24:44,505
there was dampness on the ground.
492
00:24:44,505 --> 00:24:47,323
There was rain and the grass was wet.
493
00:24:47,323 --> 00:24:49,407
There was absolutely nothing there
494
00:24:49,407 --> 00:24:52,505
that would indicate anyone
had been walking around
495
00:24:52,505 --> 00:24:53,764
the side of that house.
496
00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:57,511
- I recall being in the car one night
497
00:24:57,511 --> 00:24:59,078
and was listening to the radio traffic.
498
00:24:59,078 --> 00:25:00,776
It was a quiet, quiet night,
499
00:25:00,776 --> 00:25:02,468
just driving around town.
500
00:25:02,468 --> 00:25:04,285
I heard one of the officers
501
00:25:04,285 --> 00:25:06,518
from Saginaw County sheriff's department.
502
00:25:06,518 --> 00:25:10,762
He was telling his officers
to surround this house,
503
00:25:10,762 --> 00:25:15,644
and then I heard him say the
noises are starting to happen.
504
00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:18,165
- We got a radio call
from inside the house
505
00:25:18,165 --> 00:25:20,661
where Captain McGall was,
506
00:25:20,661 --> 00:25:22,982
and said there was
pounding on the front door,
507
00:25:22,982 --> 00:25:24,741
is anyone at the front door.
508
00:25:24,741 --> 00:25:26,749
I did not hear the pounding.
509
00:25:26,749 --> 00:25:29,965
You could hear it from his
radio being transmitted
510
00:25:29,965 --> 00:25:32,195
through his radio into my radio.
511
00:25:32,195 --> 00:25:36,083
We reported back, no, there
is no one at that front door.
512
00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:38,952
We had the other officers check in,
513
00:25:38,952 --> 00:25:40,996
and they indicated as well
514
00:25:40,996 --> 00:25:43,660
there's no one around that house.
515
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:46,719
- Sheriff's deputies
were out there all armed,
516
00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:49,361
and they couldn't help us.
517
00:25:49,361 --> 00:25:51,124
They all came up to our house
518
00:25:51,124 --> 00:25:52,657
and about 10 minutes later,
519
00:25:52,657 --> 00:25:55,425
and they were all very upset.
520
00:25:55,425 --> 00:26:00,301
There's gotta be someone inside
the house, one deputy said,
521
00:26:00,301 --> 00:26:01,134
that's doing this,
522
00:26:01,134 --> 00:26:04,158
because there was no one out there,
523
00:26:04,158 --> 00:26:07,170
and that's when my Ma
got into it with him.
524
00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:09,165
They just came to a conclusion
525
00:26:09,165 --> 00:26:11,500
it had to be someone inside the house.
526
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,828
It was hard livin' that way,
527
00:26:13,828 --> 00:26:17,745
knowin' that you're being
watched every second.
528
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:25,082
- So right now we're about
to head up these stairs
529
00:26:25,082 --> 00:26:25,915
to investigate the...
530
00:26:25,915 --> 00:26:27,378
- [Man On Radio] Hey,
is anybody investigating
531
00:26:27,378 --> 00:26:29,442
outside right now?
532
00:26:29,442 --> 00:26:30,290
- Negative.
533
00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:33,210
I was just about to head up to the loft.
534
00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:35,148
- [Man On Radio] Up in the
command center with Eddie.
535
00:26:35,148 --> 00:26:36,455
(radio beeping)
536
00:26:36,455 --> 00:26:37,402
- [Man On Radio] All right, well,
537
00:26:37,402 --> 00:26:38,947
I was walking through the house here,
538
00:26:38,947 --> 00:26:43,208
and could've swore I saw someone
looking through the windows
539
00:26:43,208 --> 00:26:44,664
and standing there.
540
00:26:44,664 --> 00:26:47,833
I took a double take and it was gone.
541
00:26:47,833 --> 00:26:49,663
- You sure it couldn't
have been a reflection
542
00:26:49,663 --> 00:26:51,913
or possibly a car goin' by?
543
00:26:53,233 --> 00:26:56,403
- [Man On Radio] I'm positive,
my flashlight wasn't even on.
544
00:26:56,403 --> 00:26:57,720
I know what I saw.
545
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Do you want me to stop my
investigation and go take a look?
546
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,833
(radio beeping)
547
00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:02,666
- Negative.
548
00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:05,283
We're about to head
outside and take a look.
549
00:27:05,283 --> 00:27:06,129
- [Man On Radio] Copy that.
550
00:27:06,129 --> 00:27:08,796
(radio beeping)
551
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:12,030
- [Steven] One of the infrared cameras
552
00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:16,197
placed in the kitchen had
actually recorded the incident.
553
00:27:37,105 --> 00:27:39,772
(ominous music)
554
00:27:56,653 --> 00:27:59,667
Perhaps this validates the
claims from a current family
555
00:27:59,667 --> 00:28:00,931
who inhabits the home
556
00:28:00,931 --> 00:28:04,205
and their sightings of
the strange phenomenon.
557
00:28:04,205 --> 00:28:05,872
- A round white head
558
00:28:07,636 --> 00:28:09,719
with his hands like this.
559
00:28:13,488 --> 00:28:15,166
- [Steven] Josh, come in.
560
00:28:15,166 --> 00:28:15,999
- [Josh] Copy.
561
00:28:15,999 --> 00:28:17,792
(radio beeping)
562
00:28:17,792 --> 00:28:20,543
- I didn't see anybody, I
definitely heard somethin'.
563
00:28:20,543 --> 00:28:23,133
The back yard's completely fenced in,
564
00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:25,333
but we have a ladder just
sittin' right up against it
565
00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:26,666
for easy access.
566
00:28:28,459 --> 00:28:29,314
- [Josh] Copy that.
567
00:28:29,314 --> 00:28:30,609
(radio beeping)
568
00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:32,716
- I wanna get cameras on all the windows
569
00:28:32,716 --> 00:28:35,537
and all the doors immediately.
570
00:28:35,537 --> 00:28:36,865
- [Josh] All right,
I'll get right on that.
571
00:28:36,865 --> 00:28:38,563
(radio beeping)
572
00:28:38,563 --> 00:28:40,563
- Take a look down here.
573
00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:45,584
Switch it off, see if we can
try to document any footprints.
574
00:28:49,784 --> 00:28:51,848
I don't see anything.
575
00:28:51,848 --> 00:28:53,133
Definitely heard what sounded like
576
00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:57,300
somebody hittin' this fence
or something in this vicinity.
577
00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:01,025
It's kind of eerie when you think about it
578
00:29:01,025 --> 00:29:04,275
because I recall the family's daughters
579
00:29:05,212 --> 00:29:06,345
talking about an instance
580
00:29:06,345 --> 00:29:08,650
where they saw somebody peaking in,
581
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:11,959
described it as an all white
face, just glowing white,
582
00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:16,672
and I remember reading a
police report from 1974
583
00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:18,176
from the original family,
584
00:29:18,176 --> 00:29:20,126
almost saying the exact same thing.
585
00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:22,876
(dramatic music)
586
00:29:24,601 --> 00:29:26,569
- There has been knocking
on the Pomeraning house
587
00:29:26,569 --> 00:29:29,002
since July 19th, 1974.
588
00:29:29,002 --> 00:29:30,947
The Saginaw County sheriff's department
589
00:29:30,947 --> 00:29:34,145
has been called to the
house at least 35 times.
590
00:29:34,145 --> 00:29:35,672
- So now you've got a lot of pressure
591
00:29:35,672 --> 00:29:37,465
coming down on the department.
592
00:29:37,465 --> 00:29:39,527
- We did do some fingerprint dusting,
593
00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:42,457
but nothing to identify
someone other than the family.
594
00:29:42,457 --> 00:29:46,607
- So we kind of had him high
up on our list of suspects.
595
00:29:46,607 --> 00:29:49,209
- Terry Pomeraning, the 18-year
old son of the Pomeranings
596
00:29:49,209 --> 00:29:50,991
is listed as a suspect.
597
00:29:50,991 --> 00:29:53,406
- He just gave me the
impression that he knew more
598
00:29:53,406 --> 00:29:55,502
about what was going on in the house
599
00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,064
and what was coming out.
600
00:29:57,064 --> 00:29:59,209
- They had me there then
for about four hours
601
00:29:59,209 --> 00:30:00,430
doing polygraph.
602
00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,758
They would do trick questions.
603
00:30:02,758 --> 00:30:04,737
You know, they'd ask a
lot of the same questions
604
00:30:04,737 --> 00:30:08,404
but they'd word it a little
bit different each time.
605
00:30:08,404 --> 00:30:10,180
It is the opinion of the polygraphist
606
00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:12,307
that Terry Pomeraning is telling the truth
607
00:30:12,307 --> 00:30:14,478
when he denies being
the one that is causing
608
00:30:14,478 --> 00:30:16,311
the knocking at the Pomeraning home.
609
00:30:16,311 --> 00:30:18,182
I passed that with flying colors.
610
00:30:18,182 --> 00:30:22,122
Then later on the whole
family had to take polygraphs
611
00:30:22,122 --> 00:30:23,789
and everyone passed.
612
00:30:29,757 --> 00:30:31,998
- This is the other side of the fence here
613
00:30:31,998 --> 00:30:33,652
where that ladder was leaned up,
614
00:30:33,652 --> 00:30:35,670
and now that I'm over
here it's really bizarre
615
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:37,501
'cause take a look at this.
616
00:30:37,501 --> 00:30:40,327
You got this cooler here
with this flat surface
617
00:30:40,327 --> 00:30:41,303
just sitting here,
618
00:30:41,303 --> 00:30:44,037
almost as if somebody
could just step up on it
619
00:30:44,037 --> 00:30:45,366
to get over this fence,
620
00:30:45,366 --> 00:30:47,219
and then climb down that ladder
621
00:30:47,219 --> 00:30:49,008
and come out the other way.
622
00:30:49,008 --> 00:30:51,568
Now, if somebody wanted to
sneak up on the house here
623
00:30:51,568 --> 00:30:53,112
and get into the backyard,
624
00:30:53,112 --> 00:30:54,579
this would be the perfect place,
625
00:30:54,579 --> 00:30:58,041
because number one, it's the
darkest portion of the property
626
00:30:58,041 --> 00:31:00,548
and you got nothin'
back here but farm field
627
00:31:00,548 --> 00:31:01,965
and the old barn.
628
00:31:03,114 --> 00:31:04,467
Kind of interesting when you think about
629
00:31:04,467 --> 00:31:05,994
those police reports.
630
00:31:05,994 --> 00:31:09,866
That's the path that they
thought the prowler would choose,
631
00:31:09,866 --> 00:31:12,802
would be coming back
here from that corn field
632
00:31:12,802 --> 00:31:14,608
and sneaking up to this part of the house,
633
00:31:14,608 --> 00:31:17,853
because they would say the
eastern back of the property
634
00:31:17,853 --> 00:31:20,738
is where the pounding would
happen the most frequently.
635
00:31:20,738 --> 00:31:21,794
Matter of fact,
636
00:31:21,794 --> 00:31:24,957
police brought their most
vicious police dog out here.
637
00:31:24,957 --> 00:31:26,526
I think his name was fury,
638
00:31:26,526 --> 00:31:28,987
and they tied him to a tree
that used to be right here,
639
00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:31,170
and they thought, well,
when that guy comes up
640
00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:32,829
to pound on the side of the house,
641
00:31:32,829 --> 00:31:34,977
he'll have a hell of a surprise.
642
00:31:34,977 --> 00:31:37,712
Interesting enough, the pounding continued
643
00:31:37,712 --> 00:31:39,337
every night that dog was here,
644
00:31:39,337 --> 00:31:40,975
which was nearly a week,
645
00:31:40,975 --> 00:31:44,475
and that dog never even so much as barked.
646
00:31:58,927 --> 00:32:01,838
I thought I heard somethin', I'm not sure.
647
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:03,718
We're gonna have to get
cameras set up here.
648
00:32:03,718 --> 00:32:06,348
If somebody is indeed prowling
around the property though,
649
00:32:06,348 --> 00:32:08,949
we need to inform the owners,
650
00:32:08,949 --> 00:32:10,310
because I don't know why anybody
651
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:12,344
would wanna be doin' that out here.
652
00:32:12,344 --> 00:32:14,342
Being in a rural area like that,
653
00:32:14,342 --> 00:32:16,269
better be careful whose fence you jump.
654
00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:19,352
It's a good way to get yourself shot.
655
00:32:20,435 --> 00:32:23,868
The following video contains
extraordinary evidence,
656
00:32:23,868 --> 00:32:28,035
a spirit orb physically
interacting with its surroundings.
657
00:32:36,294 --> 00:32:39,407
Notice how the freezer door
is actually pulled open
658
00:32:39,407 --> 00:32:41,391
just before orb can be seen,
659
00:32:41,391 --> 00:32:44,455
turning the corner and
entering in the living room,
660
00:32:44,455 --> 00:32:48,171
ultimately disappearing into the wall.
661
00:32:48,171 --> 00:32:49,721
Perhaps this validates the claims
662
00:32:49,721 --> 00:32:52,066
from the current family
who inhabits the home
663
00:32:52,066 --> 00:32:55,195
and their sightings of
the strange phenomenon.
664
00:32:55,195 --> 00:32:57,465
- She saw a flash of light go through.
665
00:32:57,465 --> 00:32:59,473
There was no lights on
666
00:32:59,473 --> 00:33:03,640
and she just seen it just
kind of go by your eyes.
667
00:33:05,712 --> 00:33:07,136
- After my parents realized
668
00:33:07,136 --> 00:33:09,974
that police couldn't really protect us,
669
00:33:09,974 --> 00:33:12,952
we were seeking help from our pastor.
670
00:33:12,952 --> 00:33:15,586
He wouldn't even come to
the house, he was afraid.
671
00:33:15,586 --> 00:33:19,640
Then my Ma and Dad turned
to the Catholic priest
672
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,225
the night's after he had blessed our home.
673
00:33:23,225 --> 00:33:25,863
I mean, it just got really bad.
674
00:33:25,863 --> 00:33:30,257
They were just mad at
what he did, you know,
675
00:33:30,257 --> 00:33:32,846
throwin' that holy water
all around the house,
676
00:33:32,846 --> 00:33:34,773
outside and inside.
677
00:33:34,773 --> 00:33:36,356
Made matters worst.
678
00:33:42,657 --> 00:33:43,943
- I'm about to read to you
679
00:33:43,943 --> 00:33:46,575
from a Michigan state police report
680
00:33:46,575 --> 00:33:49,158
written on February 13th, 1975.
681
00:33:51,073 --> 00:33:53,001
During the investigation
of these complaints,
682
00:33:53,001 --> 00:33:55,648
the following departments
and private organizations
683
00:33:55,648 --> 00:33:57,050
and/or individuals
684
00:33:57,050 --> 00:33:59,984
participated in, and to
this writer's knowledge
685
00:33:59,984 --> 00:34:02,306
have no satisfactory answer
686
00:34:02,306 --> 00:34:04,523
as to the strange occurrences
687
00:34:04,523 --> 00:34:08,471
and phenomenon taking place
at the private residence
688
00:34:08,471 --> 00:34:09,527
at Dice Road.
689
00:34:09,527 --> 00:34:10,909
Michigan state police.
690
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:13,317
Michigan state police
fire marshal division.
691
00:34:13,317 --> 00:34:16,110
MSP intelligence technical service unit.
692
00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:18,357
The Saginaw County sheriff's department.
693
00:34:18,357 --> 00:34:19,581
Merrill police department.
694
00:34:19,581 --> 00:34:22,635
The Jonesfield Lakefield
township fire department.
695
00:34:22,635 --> 00:34:23,813
Duke University.
696
00:34:23,813 --> 00:34:25,652
The Michigan department of health.
697
00:34:25,652 --> 00:34:28,806
Michigan state police
polygraph examination unit.
698
00:34:28,806 --> 00:34:30,699
Michigan Bell telephone company.
699
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,293
Consumer's Power company.
700
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:34,181
Federal aviation agency.
701
00:34:34,181 --> 00:34:35,668
The tri city airport.
702
00:34:35,668 --> 00:34:39,237
Several churches and clergy
members from the area.
703
00:34:39,237 --> 00:34:41,036
Still waiting data.
704
00:34:41,036 --> 00:34:42,349
One thing I do wanna note
705
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:44,723
is that when we spoke
to the surviving members
706
00:34:44,723 --> 00:34:46,127
of the Pomeraning family,
707
00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:48,704
they told us that when the
churches would come out here,
708
00:34:48,704 --> 00:34:50,934
they dreaded that because they knew
709
00:34:50,934 --> 00:34:52,774
that as soon as those people left,
710
00:34:52,774 --> 00:34:56,362
the activity in the house
would just go through the roof,
711
00:34:56,362 --> 00:34:58,603
that the pounding would be twice as bad,
712
00:34:58,603 --> 00:35:00,577
and last twice as long.
713
00:35:00,577 --> 00:35:03,032
We're not sure why that would be.
714
00:35:03,032 --> 00:35:07,199
We do know that Mabel and Harold
did try to locate somebody
715
00:35:08,615 --> 00:35:10,451
to perform an exorcism
716
00:35:10,451 --> 00:35:13,029
as they believe that
what inhabited this home
717
00:35:13,029 --> 00:35:14,862
were demonic entities.
718
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,345
To our knowledge, that never took place.
719
00:35:18,345 --> 00:35:21,944
An exorcism was never
actually done on the home.
720
00:35:21,944 --> 00:35:24,611
(ominous music)
721
00:36:04,979 --> 00:36:07,229
(clanging)
722
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,290
(clanging)
723
00:36:21,024 --> 00:36:22,913
- Harold had recalled something.
724
00:36:22,913 --> 00:36:25,242
A lady come on over to the house one day
725
00:36:25,242 --> 00:36:28,860
and inquired about possibly
buying his property,
726
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:31,310
that she was interested in
his property and the house.
727
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:33,397
- And my Dad said, I ain't sellin',
728
00:36:33,397 --> 00:36:34,901
you know, we're not gonna sell our house.
729
00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:35,925
Why would you wanna buy our house
730
00:36:35,925 --> 00:36:38,125
when you got a brand new
home across the road.
731
00:36:38,125 --> 00:36:39,789
- A couple months later she came back.
732
00:36:39,789 --> 00:36:41,863
At this time she seemed a
little bit more forceful
733
00:36:41,863 --> 00:36:44,039
in her desire to have the property.
734
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,272
- She was just adamant
that she wanted our house
735
00:36:47,272 --> 00:36:48,105
in the worse way.
736
00:36:48,105 --> 00:36:49,718
- And I guess there was
some type of argument
737
00:36:49,718 --> 00:36:51,268
between her and Harold.
738
00:36:51,268 --> 00:36:52,980
But Harold told my father
739
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:56,092
that he always thought that
she may have been responsible
740
00:36:56,092 --> 00:36:57,606
and did something to the house.
741
00:36:57,606 --> 00:37:00,669
- Then shortly after, we started
having a lot of problems.
742
00:37:00,669 --> 00:37:03,491
- She did tell me that
was an ordained witch.
743
00:37:03,491 --> 00:37:05,898
- [Steven] She in fact
told you she was a witch?
744
00:37:05,898 --> 00:37:06,731
- [Woman] Yes, she did.
745
00:37:06,731 --> 00:37:08,187
- [Steven] That she practiced witchcraft?
746
00:37:08,187 --> 00:37:09,755
- [Woman] That's what
she said at the time.
747
00:37:09,755 --> 00:37:11,772
- [Man] She was seen several times
748
00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:14,637
coming out of the Dice Road cemetery
749
00:37:14,637 --> 00:37:16,604
at odd hours of the night.
750
00:37:16,604 --> 00:37:19,564
- I can't remember the
gal's name who was doin' it,
751
00:37:19,564 --> 00:37:22,612
but that was the only time we
ever heard of the witchcraft
752
00:37:22,612 --> 00:37:23,698
in this area.
753
00:37:23,698 --> 00:37:26,501
- [Steven] The witch had
occult symbols on our house.
754
00:37:26,501 --> 00:37:27,596
Can you tell us about that?
755
00:37:27,596 --> 00:37:31,377
- Three big black Xs
above the garage door.
756
00:37:31,377 --> 00:37:32,946
I don't know what they mean or whatever,
757
00:37:32,946 --> 00:37:34,832
but it was awfully strange.
758
00:37:34,832 --> 00:37:36,120
- [Steven] And can you
tell us what you were told
759
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,342
about what the symbols meant?
760
00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,094
- The symbol meant
761
00:37:39,094 --> 00:37:41,404
from the Catholic priest
that came out there
762
00:37:41,404 --> 00:37:43,743
that it was a sign of the devil.
763
00:37:43,743 --> 00:37:46,118
It was evil worshipers.
764
00:37:46,118 --> 00:37:49,276
- They was weird things
goin' on over there.
765
00:37:49,276 --> 00:37:52,840
Dances, things in the
window that people saw.
766
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,642
so I didn't wanna have
anything more to do with her
767
00:37:55,642 --> 00:37:57,274
because if she was the one
768
00:37:57,274 --> 00:37:59,816
that was doing stuff in this house,
769
00:37:59,816 --> 00:38:00,961
then I would be next.
770
00:38:00,961 --> 00:38:04,038
- By the front door there was
a plate hangin' on the wall,
771
00:38:04,038 --> 00:38:06,736
and all of a sudden it
started to ding ding ding
772
00:38:06,736 --> 00:38:08,082
just like a bell ringing,
773
00:38:08,082 --> 00:38:11,439
so I reached up and I touched
it and it quit ringin'.
774
00:38:11,439 --> 00:38:14,672
And I took my hand off it, and started,
775
00:38:14,672 --> 00:38:16,528
like somebody was hittin'
it with their fingernail.
776
00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:18,176
You know, ding ding ding ding.
777
00:38:18,176 --> 00:38:20,408
We looked across the road
778
00:38:20,408 --> 00:38:23,804
and this gal was out dancin'
around her bush out there
779
00:38:23,804 --> 00:38:25,103
in her yard,
780
00:38:25,103 --> 00:38:28,024
and what the heck's goin' on?
781
00:38:28,024 --> 00:38:29,434
You know, just about that time
782
00:38:29,434 --> 00:38:32,347
there was a fairly loud noise,
783
00:38:32,347 --> 00:38:34,456
and the living room ceiling cracked
784
00:38:34,456 --> 00:38:37,218
the full length of east to west.
785
00:38:37,218 --> 00:38:39,898
Just a big crack in the
living room ceiling,
786
00:38:39,898 --> 00:38:41,120
and then she quit dancin'.
787
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,795
Obviously, I believed it.
788
00:38:42,795 --> 00:38:45,033
After going through it,
789
00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:47,162
I believe there was witchcraft there.
790
00:38:47,162 --> 00:38:48,074
- [Steven] Do you think
they were targeting
791
00:38:48,074 --> 00:38:50,025
anybody specifically in your family?
792
00:38:50,025 --> 00:38:51,410
- There was me.
793
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:52,300
I think I was the one.
794
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:54,697
- She met up with Duane at the corner here
795
00:38:54,697 --> 00:38:56,230
to get the newspaper that one day,
796
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:58,592
and Duane had never talked to the people,
797
00:38:58,592 --> 00:39:00,520
didn't really want
nothin' to do with them,
798
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,427
'cause he thought they were
strange from the start.
799
00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:04,075
She coaxed him over there,
800
00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,613
and he was in their house
801
00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:07,964
for like three hours that afternoon.
802
00:39:07,964 --> 00:39:10,443
He came back home and just started acting
803
00:39:10,443 --> 00:39:13,404
a little funny then, like
something wasn't right.
804
00:39:13,404 --> 00:39:15,476
He just passed right out and almost died.
805
00:39:15,476 --> 00:39:17,693
- And I had a grand mal seizure.
806
00:39:17,693 --> 00:39:18,980
It was pretty bad.
807
00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:19,852
I had to do a tracheotomy,
808
00:39:19,852 --> 00:39:23,102
but she made sure that she cut my hair.
809
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:26,114
- [Steven] The use of one's hair in ritual
810
00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:28,288
is often found in the dark arts,
811
00:39:28,288 --> 00:39:30,514
particularly witchcraft.
812
00:39:30,514 --> 00:39:33,280
Duane Pomeraning stated
he remembered very little
813
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,032
of the hours spent
inside the witch's home.
814
00:39:36,032 --> 00:39:38,151
He recalled the house
being filled with candles
815
00:39:38,151 --> 00:39:39,817
and strange symbols,
816
00:39:39,817 --> 00:39:43,567
and at one point, she
cut a lock of his hair.
817
00:39:50,083 --> 00:39:52,020
- The attic comes into play multiple times
818
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:55,701
through the investigation
in 1974 and 1975,
819
00:39:55,701 --> 00:39:58,460
where eyewitnesses reported
hearing strange rumbling,
820
00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:03,211
loud cracks and bangs coming
from this portion of the home.
821
00:40:03,211 --> 00:40:04,160
So, Eddie's gonna go ahead
822
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,090
and place an infrared camera up there,
823
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:08,443
and we're just gonna
let that roll all night,
824
00:40:08,443 --> 00:40:10,451
as well as a digital recorder,
825
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:13,046
and the goal is to capture
any data that we can
826
00:40:13,046 --> 00:40:14,179
during the investigation.
827
00:40:14,179 --> 00:40:15,851
I'll hold the ladder for ya.
828
00:40:15,851 --> 00:40:16,715
We're not sure how it sounded...
829
00:40:16,715 --> 00:40:18,595
(crashing)
830
00:40:18,595 --> 00:40:19,428
Whoa whoa!
831
00:40:19,428 --> 00:40:20,371
Are you okay?
832
00:40:20,371 --> 00:40:21,204
Eddie.
833
00:40:22,504 --> 00:40:23,727
Hold on, don't move.
834
00:40:23,727 --> 00:40:25,614
I need somebody here in
the breezeway with me now.
835
00:40:25,614 --> 00:40:28,749
Eddie just fell right onto the concrete.
836
00:40:28,749 --> 00:40:30,205
- [Man On Radio] I'll be right there.
837
00:40:30,205 --> 00:40:31,038
- Don't move, okay.
838
00:40:31,038 --> 00:40:31,940
This could be broken.
839
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:33,023
Just hang on.
840
00:40:42,209 --> 00:40:43,360
He fell right off the ladder,
841
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,384
hit the concrete hard as hell.
842
00:40:45,384 --> 00:40:48,615
He probably has a broken knee.
843
00:40:48,615 --> 00:40:50,199
You think you can stand?
844
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:51,871
- [Eddie] Yeah, something pushed me.
845
00:40:51,871 --> 00:40:53,192
- Here, lift him up.
846
00:40:53,192 --> 00:40:55,165
(groaning)
847
00:40:55,165 --> 00:40:56,930
Though his injury was substantial,
848
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:58,584
it could have been much worse.
849
00:40:58,584 --> 00:41:01,364
Falling several feet onto the
concrete could have resulted
850
00:41:01,364 --> 00:41:04,041
in severe injury or even death.
851
00:41:04,041 --> 00:41:07,669
Still in shock, Eddie
continuously repeated the phrase
852
00:41:07,669 --> 00:41:09,966
"something pushed me."
853
00:41:09,966 --> 00:41:13,966
We decided it was best
to leave the attic alone.
854
00:41:14,862 --> 00:41:17,526
There are several police
reports documenting claims
855
00:41:17,526 --> 00:41:20,342
of knocking and banging on
the windows of the home.
856
00:41:20,342 --> 00:41:22,725
Even sightings of a ghostly apparition
857
00:41:22,725 --> 00:41:25,199
appearing in the window before vanishing.
858
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:26,662
Despite several attempts,
859
00:41:26,662 --> 00:41:30,511
law enforcement was never
able to locate any evidence
860
00:41:30,511 --> 00:41:32,428
nor identify a suspect.
861
00:41:34,911 --> 00:41:37,310
One of our stationary
cameras in the kitchen
862
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:41,477
caught the following evidence
in the living room window.
863
00:42:11,118 --> 00:42:13,785
(ominous music)
864
00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:35,185
In an attempt to gain more
information and perspective,
865
00:42:35,185 --> 00:42:37,658
I decided to bring in a psychic medium
866
00:42:37,658 --> 00:42:40,711
who came highly recommended
by trusted sources
867
00:42:40,711 --> 00:42:43,044
within the paranormal field.
868
00:42:44,983 --> 00:42:48,719
- I'm Kelly MacLeod, psychic
medium, motivational speaker.
869
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,365
I'm from Center Line, Michigan.
870
00:42:50,365 --> 00:42:52,989
In my line of work, I help with cases,
871
00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:56,572
whether it be profiling
potential criminals
872
00:42:57,464 --> 00:42:59,698
as well as some of the cold cases
873
00:42:59,698 --> 00:43:01,579
and trying to put the pieces together,
874
00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,883
so I was pretty excited to
see what is this mystery
875
00:43:04,883 --> 00:43:06,201
and what's happening,
876
00:43:06,201 --> 00:43:07,873
and to see if I could get something
877
00:43:07,873 --> 00:43:10,560
in addition to what's
already been reported.
878
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,987
So many different energies,
so many different emotions.
879
00:43:14,987 --> 00:43:16,266
When I first walked in the door,
880
00:43:16,266 --> 00:43:19,313
it was almost as if the
entire family was wiped out.
881
00:43:19,313 --> 00:43:21,816
The person that kind of
was responsible for this,
882
00:43:21,816 --> 00:43:25,346
it's almost as if they wanted
to annihilate the family,
883
00:43:25,346 --> 00:43:27,503
and that's exactly what
they set out to do,
884
00:43:27,503 --> 00:43:28,492
and that's what they did.
885
00:43:28,492 --> 00:43:32,654
So, the entity that's
actually an assigned,
886
00:43:32,654 --> 00:43:34,063
and that's the way I really wanna say it,
887
00:43:34,063 --> 00:43:37,553
is that it has been assigned
by the original person
888
00:43:37,553 --> 00:43:40,100
to be in this house with the family.
889
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,586
It doesn't necessarily
always have to be active.
890
00:43:42,586 --> 00:43:45,233
This entity is always
here, it's always watching.
891
00:43:45,233 --> 00:43:48,467
It was physical, it really was happening,
892
00:43:48,467 --> 00:43:50,475
but if they keep reporting it,
893
00:43:50,475 --> 00:43:53,244
the people, they're gonna get tired.
894
00:43:53,244 --> 00:43:56,565
The township, the police,
the fire department.
895
00:43:56,565 --> 00:43:58,074
Everybody's gonna get tired,
896
00:43:58,074 --> 00:44:00,355
everybody's gonna deem them crazy.
897
00:44:00,355 --> 00:44:01,953
What is the banging?
898
00:44:01,953 --> 00:44:04,682
Why do I keep hearing all this banging?
899
00:44:04,682 --> 00:44:07,015
- [Steven] We'll follow you.
900
00:44:12,035 --> 00:44:14,195
- What is this room here?
901
00:44:14,195 --> 00:44:18,182
- [Steven] That was the bedroom
of the son of the family,
902
00:44:18,182 --> 00:44:22,250
which the activity
seemed to center around.
903
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:23,180
- Okay, that's the thing.
904
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:26,629
She used the son as the catalyst.
905
00:44:26,629 --> 00:44:27,636
Okay.
906
00:44:27,636 --> 00:44:29,027
He's got some issues,
907
00:44:29,027 --> 00:44:32,787
and he is the perfect candidate,
he's the perfect scapegoat,
908
00:44:32,787 --> 00:44:34,442
and that's exactly what she wanted.
909
00:44:34,442 --> 00:44:36,840
She needed to pick
somebody as a scapegoat.
910
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,667
What has happened with the
kitchen, with the silverware,
911
00:44:39,667 --> 00:44:41,089
with the knife block,
912
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:43,899
what has happened with
things beings thrown around,
913
00:44:43,899 --> 00:44:45,513
things coming out of the cupboards?
914
00:44:45,513 --> 00:44:46,992
Any report of that?
915
00:44:46,992 --> 00:44:48,079
Because when I'm standing here
916
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:51,967
suddenly as if knives are coming out,
917
00:44:51,967 --> 00:44:53,228
but it's like somebody grabbed a knife
918
00:44:53,228 --> 00:44:55,526
and just threw it right across.
919
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:57,296
Not gently pulled it out,
920
00:44:57,296 --> 00:45:00,463
they're just whipping it right across.
921
00:45:04,196 --> 00:45:07,751
There is something coming
up through the floor here.
922
00:45:07,751 --> 00:45:09,086
It's almost like underneath.
923
00:45:09,086 --> 00:45:11,222
What is directly underneath this room?
924
00:45:11,222 --> 00:45:12,203
- [Steven] Crawlspace.
925
00:45:12,203 --> 00:45:15,284
- I keep seeing all these hands coming up
926
00:45:15,284 --> 00:45:17,504
like they're trapped,
927
00:45:17,504 --> 00:45:19,396
like people are coming out of the floor,
928
00:45:19,396 --> 00:45:21,479
coming out of the ground.
929
00:45:22,885 --> 00:45:26,112
The family that lives here
now is not gonna be in danger,
930
00:45:26,112 --> 00:45:28,139
because this is not who they're after.
931
00:45:28,139 --> 00:45:30,374
If any member of the original family
932
00:45:30,374 --> 00:45:32,527
steps foot on this property again,
933
00:45:32,527 --> 00:45:34,813
this will open up the energy vortex
934
00:45:34,813 --> 00:45:37,781
and it will start everything all over
935
00:45:37,781 --> 00:45:40,031
as if it had never stopped.
936
00:45:45,685 --> 00:45:47,757
- On the above time and date,
937
00:45:47,757 --> 00:45:50,687
this officer arrived at
the complainant's address
938
00:45:50,687 --> 00:45:51,954
on Dice Road,
939
00:45:51,954 --> 00:45:55,704
and upon doing so, made a
check of the surrounding area.
940
00:45:55,704 --> 00:45:59,541
He found that nobody or any
vehicle was in the area.
941
00:45:59,541 --> 00:46:01,364
Upon talking to the complainant,
942
00:46:01,364 --> 00:46:04,510
he stated that there was
banging on the walls so hard
943
00:46:04,510 --> 00:46:08,220
it actually broke a hole
directly through the plaster
944
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:10,855
from one room straight
through to the other.
945
00:46:10,855 --> 00:46:14,483
The complainant also
stated that he heard voices
946
00:46:14,483 --> 00:46:15,882
coming from the walls,
947
00:46:15,882 --> 00:46:19,737
saying it was going to kill
him and his entire family.
948
00:46:19,737 --> 00:46:21,987
I'm going to attempt to try
949
00:46:23,888 --> 00:46:28,055
and communicate with
whatever may be in this room,
950
00:46:29,112 --> 00:46:30,195
in this home.
951
00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:35,477
Is anybody here in the
room with me tonight?
952
00:46:50,056 --> 00:46:52,806
Why did you seem to target Duane?
953
00:46:59,674 --> 00:47:03,424
Was there something
about Duane specifically?
954
00:47:04,834 --> 00:47:07,834
Did you have a vendetta against him?
955
00:47:16,643 --> 00:47:19,310
(blind closing)
956
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,787
(blind closing)
957
00:47:47,093 --> 00:47:49,760
(alarm beeping)
958
00:47:54,297 --> 00:47:57,163
Notice how the environment
suddenly changes.
959
00:47:57,163 --> 00:47:59,161
The papers on the refrigerator lifted
960
00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:01,664
from the force of the air.
961
00:48:01,664 --> 00:48:03,272
A mist begins to appear,
962
00:48:03,272 --> 00:48:05,337
taking the shape of a human figure,
963
00:48:05,337 --> 00:48:07,231
then dropping to the floor,
964
00:48:07,231 --> 00:48:09,481
heading toward the hallway.
965
00:48:14,217 --> 00:48:16,884
(ominous music)
966
00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:23,499
- [Man] Deputies and state police troopers
967
00:48:23,499 --> 00:48:25,757
both say the house now is undergoing
968
00:48:25,757 --> 00:48:28,509
a series of strange explosions.
969
00:48:28,509 --> 00:48:30,421
Consumer's Power in Michigan,
970
00:48:30,421 --> 00:48:32,845
they used equipment to locate the source.
971
00:48:32,845 --> 00:48:33,814
Still nothing.
972
00:48:33,814 --> 00:48:36,687
- The other recordings were attempted
973
00:48:36,687 --> 00:48:40,854
by one of the members of the
state police, mini FBI unit,
974
00:48:43,677 --> 00:48:45,317
who's a demolition expert.
975
00:48:45,317 --> 00:48:47,671
He was asked to go to the house
976
00:48:47,671 --> 00:48:49,358
and spend a couple days there,
977
00:48:49,358 --> 00:48:53,380
during which time there
were sounds or explosions.
978
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:55,459
He attempted to record them.
979
00:48:55,459 --> 00:48:58,867
He was unable to do so
in an interesting way.
980
00:48:58,867 --> 00:49:00,684
He would turn his tape recorder on,
981
00:49:00,684 --> 00:49:03,826
and he'd wait, and he'd
wait, and he'd wait.
982
00:49:03,826 --> 00:49:04,801
Nothing.
983
00:49:04,801 --> 00:49:07,667
Then he'd look and he'd say,
oh, the tape's running out.
984
00:49:07,667 --> 00:49:11,599
He'd turn it off, pull the
tape out to get another one.
985
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,016
Boom, boom, boom.
986
00:49:15,376 --> 00:49:19,418
Then he'd grab the other blank
one, he'd put in, start it.
987
00:49:19,418 --> 00:49:20,427
Nothing.
988
00:49:20,427 --> 00:49:23,701
- Complainant stated the
explosions had been going on
989
00:49:23,701 --> 00:49:24,909
all afternoon.
990
00:49:24,909 --> 00:49:28,155
The last one just prior
to this officer's arrival
991
00:49:28,155 --> 00:49:29,150
was so strong,
992
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:31,945
he came running back
inside and found the family
993
00:49:31,945 --> 00:49:34,754
all standing together as
though they were frozen.
994
00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:37,714
Further, the explosions were
heard in different walls.
995
00:49:37,714 --> 00:49:39,241
This officer checked the attic
996
00:49:39,241 --> 00:49:40,796
and the space under the house.
997
00:49:40,796 --> 00:49:42,811
- He's no longer with the department,
998
00:49:42,811 --> 00:49:45,916
he left the department after an incident
999
00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:47,835
that he claims happened out there
1000
00:49:47,835 --> 00:49:50,883
where he was physically pushed by a force.
1001
00:49:50,883 --> 00:49:54,383
Now this deputy was a retired army ranger.
1002
00:49:56,029 --> 00:49:59,126
Good cop, he was not scared of anything.
1003
00:49:59,126 --> 00:50:01,701
I met him one day when
I was going to court,
1004
00:50:01,701 --> 00:50:03,558
and he came out of the sheriff's office,
1005
00:50:03,558 --> 00:50:05,787
and I says are you gettin'
your butt chewed again?
1006
00:50:05,787 --> 00:50:07,058
He said, no no, no no.
1007
00:50:07,058 --> 00:50:09,304
He says I went out the Pomeranings.
1008
00:50:09,304 --> 00:50:11,499
He says I told the sheriff
I'm not going out again.
1009
00:50:11,499 --> 00:50:13,430
I'm not going out there again.
1010
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:14,582
I says why.
1011
00:50:14,582 --> 00:50:17,055
He says there are some
evil spirits out there.
1012
00:50:17,055 --> 00:50:20,445
I continued on down the hallway
past the sheriff's door.
1013
00:50:20,445 --> 00:50:22,686
The sheriff was Robert
Lupert at that time.
1014
00:50:22,686 --> 00:50:24,542
I asked him what'd you do, chew him out?
1015
00:50:24,542 --> 00:50:25,652
He said, oh no, no.
1016
00:50:25,652 --> 00:50:30,229
He said he was at the
Pomeraning's taking a report
1017
00:50:30,229 --> 00:50:31,687
when the explosions went off
1018
00:50:31,687 --> 00:50:33,743
and something pushed him in the chest
1019
00:50:33,743 --> 00:50:35,021
and pushed him backwards,
1020
00:50:35,021 --> 00:50:37,021
and he said he would not
go out there anymore.
1021
00:50:37,021 --> 00:50:38,435
Now, I explained to him
if it happened to me
1022
00:50:38,435 --> 00:50:41,500
I wouldn't be going out
there anymore either.
1023
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,437
(ominous music)
1024
00:50:44,437 --> 00:50:47,984
- On November 22nd, 1974,
Harold and his family
1025
00:50:47,984 --> 00:50:52,038
began experiencing an even
worse phenomenon, explosions.
1026
00:50:52,038 --> 00:50:54,822
Witnesses stated it
sounded like a sonic boom
1027
00:50:54,822 --> 00:50:57,181
that seemed to come just
from underneath their feet,
1028
00:50:57,181 --> 00:50:59,509
even lifting them right where they stood.
1029
00:50:59,509 --> 00:51:02,118
Police responded to the
calls about the explosions,
1030
00:51:02,118 --> 00:51:03,885
and a Saginaw sheriff's deputy
1031
00:51:03,885 --> 00:51:06,103
was actually injured in the line of duty
1032
00:51:06,103 --> 00:51:07,340
from said explosions.
1033
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:10,220
Now Josh, when people would feel
1034
00:51:10,220 --> 00:51:12,396
an explosion of that magnitude,
1035
00:51:12,396 --> 00:51:15,044
wouldn't there have to
be some form of residue,
1036
00:51:15,044 --> 00:51:17,292
something down there to
show that this happened?
1037
00:51:17,292 --> 00:51:18,163
- Oh, most definitely.
1038
00:51:18,163 --> 00:51:20,908
You would have to have a
cracking of a foundation,
1039
00:51:20,908 --> 00:51:23,219
potentially cracking of floor joist.
1040
00:51:23,219 --> 00:51:26,057
Being explosions, maybe
there's some kind of charring
1041
00:51:26,057 --> 00:51:27,413
of some wood down there,
1042
00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:29,412
but if it's none of those things,
1043
00:51:29,412 --> 00:51:31,508
I'm not sure exactly what it could be.
1044
00:51:31,508 --> 00:51:33,382
- I'm gonna send part
of my team down there.
1045
00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:36,425
Be safe and to see if you
guys can find anything
1046
00:51:36,425 --> 00:51:38,654
that might suggest that there were in fact
1047
00:51:38,654 --> 00:51:40,383
explosions down there.
1048
00:51:40,383 --> 00:51:42,966
- All right, let's get started.
1049
00:51:58,801 --> 00:52:01,425
- Now, again, this is the
first time that this crawlspace
1050
00:52:01,425 --> 00:52:04,185
has been entered in an
investigative matter
1051
00:52:04,185 --> 00:52:06,018
for over four decades.
1052
00:52:42,517 --> 00:52:45,733
(dramatic music)
1053
00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:49,900
- On January 21st, 1975, it
was on a Friday afternoon.
1054
00:52:50,829 --> 00:52:52,642
Me and my Dad were out in Hemlock.
1055
00:52:52,642 --> 00:52:55,202
We stopped at the drug
store there, looked down
1056
00:52:55,202 --> 00:52:59,376
and on the front page it
was a picture of our house.
1057
00:52:59,376 --> 00:53:01,965
- Well, someone released it.
1058
00:53:01,965 --> 00:53:04,234
They never did figure who it was,
1059
00:53:04,234 --> 00:53:07,292
but they released the
information to the Saginaw news.
1060
00:53:07,292 --> 00:53:09,100
Saginaw news would come in every morning
1061
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:10,363
and read the reports,
1062
00:53:10,363 --> 00:53:13,320
so we would take those reports
and give 'em to the Captain,
1063
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,696
so they wouldn't see it,
1064
00:53:14,696 --> 00:53:17,465
but somehow someway they got copies of it.
1065
00:53:17,465 --> 00:53:21,632
Then Mr. Pomeraning started
being bothered by trespassers
1066
00:53:22,507 --> 00:53:24,936
and by people running, honking their horns
1067
00:53:24,936 --> 00:53:26,248
and yelling and screaming,
1068
00:53:26,248 --> 00:53:29,243
which upset him more, and
I can't blame him one bit.
1069
00:53:29,243 --> 00:53:30,698
If he went out there, all he would do
1070
00:53:30,698 --> 00:53:32,041
is yell and scream at ya.
1071
00:53:32,041 --> 00:53:34,345
- [Man] Saginaw County
sheriff's department said that
1072
00:53:34,345 --> 00:53:35,616
the corner of Dice and Chapin
1073
00:53:35,616 --> 00:53:39,432
was the busiest corner of all
Saginaw County that night.
1074
00:53:39,432 --> 00:53:41,932
- The traffic was just unreal.
1075
00:53:42,966 --> 00:53:44,805
It was car after car after car,
1076
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:46,847
and they had spotlights
1077
00:53:46,847 --> 00:53:48,788
that they were shining out in the field
1078
00:53:48,788 --> 00:53:50,861
and at both of our houses.
1079
00:53:50,861 --> 00:53:53,334
- January 21st, 1975.
1080
00:53:53,334 --> 00:53:56,327
After six months, police
still don't have an answer.
1081
00:53:56,327 --> 00:53:58,917
Weird sounds and voices, furniture moving,
1082
00:53:58,917 --> 00:54:00,654
whole house shaking and jumping,
1083
00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:03,183
cracks in the walls, plaster falling.
1084
00:54:03,183 --> 00:54:06,151
Police agree there is the
sound of pounding in the walls.
1085
00:54:06,151 --> 00:54:08,106
"I was told to say nothing to anybody
1086
00:54:08,106 --> 00:54:10,737
"about what I heard or
saw," said one deputy.
1087
00:54:10,737 --> 00:54:13,767
"I spend two night there,
I can tell you one thing.
1088
00:54:13,767 --> 00:54:16,176
"I didn't sleep from the
beginning to the end.
1089
00:54:16,176 --> 00:54:18,833
"One night we had the
house surrounded by cars.
1090
00:54:18,833 --> 00:54:20,112
"When the pounding started,
1091
00:54:20,112 --> 00:54:22,177
"the cars went roaring to the scene.
1092
00:54:22,177 --> 00:54:23,721
"Still, we found nothin'."
1093
00:54:23,721 --> 00:54:27,041
Police contend they do not
believe the house is haunted.
1094
00:54:27,041 --> 00:54:27,874
Bullshit.
1095
00:54:31,568 --> 00:54:34,162
(gentle music)
1096
00:54:34,162 --> 00:54:37,580
- In the 52 years I've
been on this department,
1097
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:41,912
I've never seen anything like
that and I hope I never do,
1098
00:54:41,912 --> 00:54:44,617
because it's sad for the
family that lives there
1099
00:54:44,617 --> 00:54:46,312
to have to live through
something like this.
1100
00:54:46,312 --> 00:54:49,156
- And as far as Harold's breakdown,
1101
00:54:49,156 --> 00:54:52,598
I had heard later on
that he had a breakdown.
1102
00:54:52,598 --> 00:54:54,517
Whether that caused it, I don't know.
1103
00:54:54,517 --> 00:54:56,683
- Harold had a heart
attack shortly after that,
1104
00:54:56,683 --> 00:54:58,799
and we were doing mouth to mouth on him
1105
00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:00,117
at that time at his place,
1106
00:55:00,117 --> 00:55:01,847
but he didn't make it.
1107
00:55:01,847 --> 00:55:05,774
- My aunt, like I said,
she was a strong woman,
1108
00:55:05,774 --> 00:55:08,552
and she put up a good fight.
1109
00:55:08,552 --> 00:55:11,049
She really put up a good fight,
1110
00:55:11,049 --> 00:55:15,132
but you could see that
she was losing the battle.
1111
00:55:16,819 --> 00:55:19,225
She was one of a kind, she was a saint.
1112
00:55:19,225 --> 00:55:22,392
After everything she had gone through.
1113
00:55:26,383 --> 00:55:29,290
- I just know that that's why he,
1114
00:55:29,290 --> 00:55:31,568
both my parents died at an early age
1115
00:55:31,568 --> 00:55:32,901
because of this.
1116
00:55:34,114 --> 00:55:37,031
There was times I would pray to God
1117
00:55:39,668 --> 00:55:43,699
and say, "Why are You allowing
this to happen to us?"
1118
00:55:43,699 --> 00:55:47,067
And I felt the same way even
after my parents both died.
1119
00:55:47,067 --> 00:55:49,167
You know, they were both quite young.
1120
00:55:49,167 --> 00:55:52,547
Then I just realized I
can't think that way,
1121
00:55:52,547 --> 00:55:57,220
I gotta be strong, there's
a reason for everything.
1122
00:55:57,220 --> 00:55:59,553
Well, with my brother Duane,
1123
00:56:00,622 --> 00:56:02,812
this did affect his life.
1124
00:56:02,812 --> 00:56:06,645
I mean, he's really had
no life since, really.
1125
00:56:08,191 --> 00:56:12,358
He just went downhill and
I'm just thankful to God
1126
00:56:14,516 --> 00:56:16,399
that he's still here.
1127
00:56:16,399 --> 00:56:18,343
Like a lot of people that know my brother
1128
00:56:18,343 --> 00:56:22,510
said that they can't believe
that he's still alive.
1129
00:56:24,009 --> 00:56:26,869
(ominous music)
1130
00:56:26,869 --> 00:56:30,167
- This is the current family
that resides here in this home,
1131
00:56:30,167 --> 00:56:32,987
and you'll notice throughout this home
1132
00:56:32,987 --> 00:56:36,340
there are so many pictures of them.
1133
00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:38,507
They're always happy,
they're always together,
1134
00:56:38,507 --> 00:56:40,090
just enjoying life,
1135
00:56:40,956 --> 00:56:42,956
and it's so ironic to me
1136
00:56:44,041 --> 00:56:47,164
that those children were
born and raised here,
1137
00:56:47,164 --> 00:56:50,647
and they had such a good
life and a happy family,
1138
00:56:50,647 --> 00:56:53,489
and the Pomeraning family
who built this house
1139
00:56:53,489 --> 00:56:55,764
had just the opposite.
1140
00:56:55,764 --> 00:56:59,681
They had nothing but
misery and fear and panic,
1141
00:57:00,553 --> 00:57:04,671
and they were destroyed
within the walls of this home,
1142
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:07,476
and that being said, you
have a whole nother family
1143
00:57:07,476 --> 00:57:12,037
who flourished and thrived
within the walls of this home.
1144
00:57:12,037 --> 00:57:12,891
Why?
1145
00:57:12,891 --> 00:57:14,634
That is the question.
1146
00:57:14,634 --> 00:57:16,463
This is much more than,
1147
00:57:16,463 --> 00:57:20,266
this investigation is
much more than a haunting.
1148
00:57:20,266 --> 00:57:24,232
What happened here in the
past wasn't just activity,
1149
00:57:24,232 --> 00:57:25,421
it was tragedy.
1150
00:57:25,421 --> 00:57:28,059
You know, that family
really was destroyed.
1151
00:57:28,059 --> 00:57:29,392
Lives destroyed.
1152
00:57:30,975 --> 00:57:33,725
(radio rumbling)
1153
00:57:34,634 --> 00:57:35,467
The radio.
1154
00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:36,300
Come here.
1155
00:57:44,717 --> 00:57:45,550
Look at that.
1156
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:48,636
That light was not on, that
power light was not on...
1157
00:57:48,636 --> 00:57:52,803
(background noise drowns out dialogue)
1158
00:57:55,695 --> 00:57:57,773
We need to get cameras set up in here.
1159
00:57:57,773 --> 00:57:58,606
Oh!
1160
00:58:07,895 --> 00:58:09,515
While distracted by the radio,
1161
00:58:09,515 --> 00:58:12,030
the two portraits on the wall
had been turned upside down.
1162
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:14,697
(ominous music)
1163
00:58:18,982 --> 00:58:21,786
The inverted paintings
sent chills down my spine,
1164
00:58:21,786 --> 00:58:25,214
realizing that no one is
able to watch their back
1165
00:58:25,214 --> 00:58:26,297
at all times.
1166
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,770
(chirping)
1167
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,670
(dramatic music)
1168
00:59:30,914 --> 00:59:32,552
- Let me introduce myself.
1169
00:59:32,552 --> 00:59:36,719
I am Jerry Solfvin,
parapsychologist and psychologist.
1170
00:59:38,208 --> 00:59:40,698
In the process of doing what we do
1171
00:59:40,698 --> 00:59:42,797
at the Psychical Research Foundation,
1172
00:59:42,797 --> 00:59:47,209
we did get a call one day
that interested us greatly,
1173
00:59:47,209 --> 00:59:49,665
and that was from the state police
1174
00:59:49,665 --> 00:59:51,818
of the state of Michigan.
1175
00:59:51,818 --> 00:59:54,187
We at the Duke University
1176
00:59:54,187 --> 00:59:57,501
and specifically the
Psychical Research Foundation,
1177
00:59:57,501 --> 01:00:01,417
had interest and could be helpful to them
1178
01:00:01,417 --> 01:00:03,834
in solving a case that it had
1179
01:00:04,802 --> 01:00:06,504
that was problematic.
1180
01:00:06,504 --> 01:00:09,744
We immediately got more
information about it,
1181
01:00:09,744 --> 01:00:12,681
and they said would you come up here,
1182
01:00:12,681 --> 01:00:14,606
and we said absolutely.
1183
01:00:14,606 --> 01:00:17,453
When I arrived I was met by the guy
1184
01:00:17,453 --> 01:00:18,905
I'd been talking to on the phone,
1185
01:00:18,905 --> 01:00:20,170
who was a state policeman.
1186
01:00:20,170 --> 01:00:24,337
Now, he works for a small
unit which is a mini FBI.
1187
01:00:25,217 --> 01:00:27,886
They had been called into
the case, they told me,
1188
01:00:27,886 --> 01:00:31,553
because the local police,
the county police,
1189
01:00:32,485 --> 01:00:36,563
had a time of trying to solve this case,
1190
01:00:36,563 --> 01:00:40,101
with unusual things happening in this home
1191
01:00:40,101 --> 01:00:42,562
just outside of Saginaw, Michigan,
1192
01:00:42,562 --> 01:00:45,443
and neither of those police departments
1193
01:00:45,443 --> 01:00:49,159
were able, despite putting
substantial manpower towards it,
1194
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:52,932
were able to find out what was going on,
1195
01:00:52,932 --> 01:00:54,640
so they got called in,
1196
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,100
and they spent several weeks on the case,
1197
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:59,597
at least one week of which
1198
01:00:59,597 --> 01:01:01,919
they actually moved into the house.
1199
01:01:01,919 --> 01:01:05,910
In any case, he gave me a full briefing,
1200
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:10,337
a very extensive briefing on
all that had been going on
1201
01:01:10,337 --> 01:01:11,763
and that they had learned
1202
01:01:11,763 --> 01:01:15,907
after about two years of
activities in this house.
1203
01:01:15,907 --> 01:01:19,474
He drove me to the house on Dice Road,
1204
01:01:19,474 --> 01:01:21,698
the family met us there.
1205
01:01:21,698 --> 01:01:25,198
I got to meet Mabel and Harold Pomeraning,
1206
01:01:26,659 --> 01:01:29,760
and the two sons, Duane and Terry.
1207
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,814
Mabel looked at me and
said, "Oh, I'm surprised.
1208
01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,981
"How come you don't wear your collar?"
1209
01:01:37,107 --> 01:01:38,850
I said, "What?
1210
01:01:38,850 --> 01:01:40,256
"Wear my collar?
1211
01:01:40,256 --> 01:01:42,550
"Why should I wear a collar?"
1212
01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:43,717
"Aren't you a priest?"
1213
01:01:43,717 --> 01:01:46,868
Of course, I and to explain
to her I'm not a priest
1214
01:01:46,868 --> 01:01:48,839
or a minister nor an exorcist,
1215
01:01:48,839 --> 01:01:52,708
however, I do help to
get rid of these things,
1216
01:01:52,708 --> 01:01:55,875
and help to them meant simply and only
1217
01:01:57,188 --> 01:01:59,021
get rid of this thing.
1218
01:02:01,648 --> 01:02:03,620
- In the late fall of 1974,
1219
01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:07,000
Saginaw County sheriff's
department began to realize
1220
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,281
that what was taking place
in the Pomeraning home
1221
01:02:10,281 --> 01:02:13,253
was not actually a criminal matter.
1222
01:02:13,253 --> 01:02:16,067
It was prowlers or harassments,
1223
01:02:16,067 --> 01:02:19,620
but actually something
otherworldly taking place,
1224
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:21,844
something supernatural.
1225
01:02:21,844 --> 01:02:23,231
Now, many of the deputies
1226
01:02:23,231 --> 01:02:25,908
from having been out here so many times,
1227
01:02:25,908 --> 01:02:28,487
began to have a relationship,
1228
01:02:28,487 --> 01:02:30,464
a friendship with Harold and Mabel.
1229
01:02:30,464 --> 01:02:33,062
They wanted to to try and
help the family still,
1230
01:02:33,062 --> 01:02:36,021
and even protect them
anyway that they could.
1231
01:02:36,021 --> 01:02:38,370
One of these deputies came to Harold
1232
01:02:38,370 --> 01:02:40,228
and said that he had a friend
1233
01:02:40,228 --> 01:02:42,991
that had vast knowledge of the occult.
1234
01:02:42,991 --> 01:02:46,195
So, late one night, this
individual came to the house
1235
01:02:46,195 --> 01:02:49,701
accompanied by said deputy
who we will not name.
1236
01:02:49,701 --> 01:02:52,418
He unboxed a Ouija board,
1237
01:02:52,418 --> 01:02:54,868
or, as some refer to it, a witch board.
1238
01:02:54,868 --> 01:02:57,015
Harold instantly became reluctant
1239
01:02:57,015 --> 01:02:59,733
as he knew that these type of objects
1240
01:02:59,733 --> 01:03:04,549
are synonymous with
negativity and bad experience.
1241
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:07,253
But again, being desperate for an answer,
1242
01:03:07,253 --> 01:03:09,973
he let the gentleman proceed.
1243
01:03:09,973 --> 01:03:12,562
The individual began to
try to establish contact
1244
01:03:12,562 --> 01:03:16,229
when suddenly everybody
in the room observed
1245
01:03:17,305 --> 01:03:20,395
a knife come out of the knife block,
1246
01:03:20,395 --> 01:03:22,322
levitate in the air,
1247
01:03:22,322 --> 01:03:25,943
and then throw across the
room and sticking in a wall,
1248
01:03:25,943 --> 01:03:28,743
just missing the officer.
1249
01:03:28,743 --> 01:03:31,715
In front of me, obviously,
I do have a Ouija board,
1250
01:03:31,715 --> 01:03:34,103
and I am about to break the cardinal rule
1251
01:03:34,103 --> 01:03:37,926
of a paranormal investigator by using one,
1252
01:03:37,926 --> 01:03:40,712
and of course by using one alone.
1253
01:03:40,712 --> 01:03:43,452
I am only doing this
because I want to recreate
1254
01:03:43,452 --> 01:03:48,151
something that took place in
this home nearly 41 years ago
1255
01:03:48,151 --> 01:03:51,063
in an attempt to try
to reestablish contact
1256
01:03:51,063 --> 01:03:54,535
and try to solidify the
activity in this home
1257
01:03:54,535 --> 01:03:58,285
and identify, if at all
possible, its motive.
1258
01:04:03,849 --> 01:04:06,766
I'm attempting to establish contact
1259
01:04:07,703 --> 01:04:09,953
with the spirit, the deity,
1260
01:04:14,028 --> 01:04:17,445
the poltergeist, that inhabits this home.
1261
01:04:19,032 --> 01:04:23,897
You can communicate with
me by moving this indicator
1262
01:04:23,897 --> 01:04:25,794
on the board,
1263
01:04:25,794 --> 01:04:29,913
and pointing out individual
letters to spell out a word,
1264
01:04:29,913 --> 01:04:32,052
or you can also move the indicator
1265
01:04:32,052 --> 01:04:36,219
to the yes or the no section
on the board as well.
1266
01:04:39,072 --> 01:04:40,822
Are you here with me?
1267
01:04:44,369 --> 01:04:46,869
Why did you harass and torment
1268
01:04:49,211 --> 01:04:51,961
Harold Pomeraning and his family?
1269
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:09,766
Are you mad that we are in this house?
1270
01:05:13,929 --> 01:05:16,596
(ominous music)
1271
01:05:20,715 --> 01:05:22,635
Whatever was communicating
through the board
1272
01:05:22,635 --> 01:05:25,177
had left no room for doubt.
1273
01:05:25,177 --> 01:05:27,844
We were not welcome in the home.
1274
01:05:30,669 --> 01:05:32,700
After reviewing the following footage,
1275
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:36,867
it became clear that I was not
alone in the barn after all.
1276
01:06:26,722 --> 01:06:28,706
As the activity in the Pomeraning home
1277
01:06:28,706 --> 01:06:30,804
grew with terrifying intensity,
1278
01:06:30,804 --> 01:06:33,085
the bewildered family began experiencing
1279
01:06:33,085 --> 01:06:35,682
spontaneous fires in the home.
1280
01:06:35,682 --> 01:06:38,179
Each of these fires were
investigated thoroughly
1281
01:06:38,179 --> 01:06:41,009
and to this day, cannot be explained.
1282
01:06:41,009 --> 01:06:45,176
One of the fires was so baffling,
it actually made history.
1283
01:06:48,514 --> 01:06:51,208
(dramatic music)
1284
01:06:51,208 --> 01:06:55,208
- Duane and his mother
Mabel were at home alone.
1285
01:06:56,357 --> 01:06:57,744
I had left the house.
1286
01:06:57,744 --> 01:07:00,133
It was one of the times when
I had to get more batteries
1287
01:07:00,133 --> 01:07:03,045
for the various equipment that I had,
1288
01:07:03,045 --> 01:07:07,317
so I told Mabel and she
said, "No problem, go ahead,
1289
01:07:07,317 --> 01:07:09,943
"because, in fact, I feel very comfortable
1290
01:07:09,943 --> 01:07:12,384
"and uplifted today."
1291
01:07:12,384 --> 01:07:14,133
And I said, "Oh, why is that, Mabel?"
1292
01:07:14,133 --> 01:07:16,581
And she said, "Because
we're going to church."
1293
01:07:16,581 --> 01:07:19,914
Then I went to a photo store in Saginaw,
1294
01:07:22,369 --> 01:07:26,723
and lo and behold, a fire has
happened while I was gone.
1295
01:07:26,723 --> 01:07:29,608
So I come in, Mabel's now upset.
1296
01:07:29,608 --> 01:07:33,929
Mabel says, I'm standing
here looking at Duane,
1297
01:07:33,929 --> 01:07:36,261
saying, okay, Duane, are you ready?
1298
01:07:36,261 --> 01:07:38,261
He says yes, yes, I'm just about ready,
1299
01:07:38,261 --> 01:07:39,861
I'm just finishing my hair.
1300
01:07:39,861 --> 01:07:44,329
At that moment, the toilet
paper roll, she says,
1301
01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:47,853
burst to flame while she was watching it.
1302
01:07:47,853 --> 01:07:48,892
The whole thing,
1303
01:07:48,892 --> 01:07:53,181
including that little
cardboard roll on the inside.
1304
01:07:53,181 --> 01:07:54,738
Ash, the whole thing,
1305
01:07:54,738 --> 01:07:57,645
and yet if you delicately handle it,
1306
01:07:57,645 --> 01:07:59,837
as the fire marshal did,
1307
01:07:59,837 --> 01:08:01,613
you could actually pick it up.
1308
01:08:01,613 --> 01:08:04,479
When he put it in his
chromatography chamber
1309
01:08:04,479 --> 01:08:06,377
it was absolutely clean.
1310
01:08:06,377 --> 01:08:09,324
Nobody soaked this thing in alcohol
1311
01:08:09,324 --> 01:08:12,990
or any sort of flammable
material whatsoever.
1312
01:08:12,990 --> 01:08:14,712
He wrote up his report
1313
01:08:14,712 --> 01:08:18,030
and in his report he
wrote, for the first time,
1314
01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:19,421
in the state of history,
1315
01:08:19,421 --> 01:08:22,653
"There are no way that this could happen."
1316
01:08:22,653 --> 01:08:25,242
- February 13th, 1975,
1317
01:08:25,242 --> 01:08:27,041
Michigan department of state police.
1318
01:08:27,041 --> 01:08:28,865
It should be noted that two members
1319
01:08:28,865 --> 01:08:30,256
of the Duke University...
1320
01:08:30,256 --> 01:08:33,298
- Physical Research Foundation
here in North Carolina,
1321
01:08:33,298 --> 01:08:36,805
have been conducting extensive
testing at the residence
1322
01:08:36,805 --> 01:08:39,835
to determine the source of strange noises
1323
01:08:39,835 --> 01:08:43,606
and strange occurrences
taking place there.
1324
01:08:43,606 --> 01:08:46,162
It is thought by all parties involved
1325
01:08:46,162 --> 01:08:49,889
that there is some supernatural phenomenon
1326
01:08:49,889 --> 01:08:51,388
occurring at this location.
1327
01:08:51,388 --> 01:08:53,327
- And that it also could mean
1328
01:08:53,327 --> 01:08:55,742
the cause of the fires
which have occurred.
1329
01:08:55,742 --> 01:08:59,376
It is the understanding
of the undersigned officer
1330
01:08:59,376 --> 01:09:01,836
that the burning of the
roll of toilet paper
1331
01:09:01,836 --> 01:09:04,541
is next to humanly impossible
1332
01:09:04,541 --> 01:09:07,907
when it is rolled up in the
normal toilet paper type roll,
1333
01:09:07,907 --> 01:09:10,544
as it is unable to get sufficient oxygen
1334
01:09:10,544 --> 01:09:14,044
to produce enough heat to sustain burning.
1335
01:09:16,742 --> 01:09:19,902
That's a document from the
Michigan State police archives,
1336
01:09:19,902 --> 01:09:24,785
chronicling the bizarre
fires with unknown origin
1337
01:09:24,785 --> 01:09:27,471
that took place here in
the residence at Dice Road,
1338
01:09:27,471 --> 01:09:30,978
in particular in this area
of the home, the east end,
1339
01:09:30,978 --> 01:09:33,694
and the bathroom directly in front of me.
1340
01:09:33,694 --> 01:09:37,862
We are now going to investigate
this portion of the home.
1341
01:09:50,843 --> 01:09:53,093
Converting to night vision.
1342
01:10:08,696 --> 01:10:10,446
- That balcony.
1343
01:10:10,446 --> 01:10:13,196
(rain pattering)
1344
01:10:19,398 --> 01:10:21,418
This is really comin'
down out there tonight.
1345
01:10:21,418 --> 01:10:23,934
- [Steven] The family lost everything
1346
01:10:23,934 --> 01:10:26,929
in that last and final fire.
1347
01:10:26,929 --> 01:10:31,096
Family heirlooms, photo
albums, valuables, everything.
1348
01:10:35,361 --> 01:10:38,206
Why did you hate them so much
1349
01:10:38,206 --> 01:10:42,373
that you destroyed the family
and took everything from them?
1350
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:58,520
I'm getting a hit here on the K2 meter.
1351
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:04,246
- Looks like this room
hasn't been used in a while.
1352
01:11:04,246 --> 01:11:06,414
It's pretty dusty up here.
1353
01:11:13,508 --> 01:11:16,175
(ominous music)
1354
01:11:22,454 --> 01:11:24,291
- [Steven] Oh my God.
1355
01:11:24,291 --> 01:11:25,407
That is so strange.
1356
01:11:25,407 --> 01:11:29,157
It seems as if the closer
I get to the floor.
1357
01:11:50,541 --> 01:11:53,791
Josh, you guys still in the crawlspace?
1358
01:11:54,639 --> 01:11:55,952
- [Josh] Yeah, we're still down here.
1359
01:11:55,952 --> 01:11:58,109
(radio beeping)
1360
01:11:58,109 --> 01:12:01,039
- [Steven] Could you possibly
crawl to my location?
1361
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:05,403
I'm in the original bathroom
toward the east room wall.
1362
01:12:05,403 --> 01:12:06,253
- Copy that.
1363
01:12:06,253 --> 01:12:07,228
(radio beeping)
1364
01:12:07,228 --> 01:12:09,614
Do you think you could
give me a knocking sound
1365
01:12:09,614 --> 01:12:12,350
so I know just about where you're at?
1366
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:14,600
(knocking)
1367
01:12:21,731 --> 01:12:23,564
One more time, please.
1368
01:12:25,462 --> 01:12:27,712
(knocking)
1369
01:12:29,790 --> 01:12:31,696
Yeah, I'm right below ya.
1370
01:12:31,696 --> 01:12:34,223
- [Steven] I'm getting an
incredibly high reading here
1371
01:12:34,223 --> 01:12:35,666
on my K2,
1372
01:12:35,666 --> 01:12:38,867
and I tracked it to the
floor of all things,
1373
01:12:38,867 --> 01:12:40,530
and it's just solid red
1374
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:43,530
Any wiring or cable underneath here?
1375
01:12:45,501 --> 01:12:46,505
- [Josh] None at all.
1376
01:12:46,505 --> 01:12:48,252
Nothing I see anywhere around here.
1377
01:12:48,252 --> 01:12:50,853
(radio beeping)
1378
01:12:50,853 --> 01:12:52,325
- [Steven] Can you pull
out your EMF detector
1379
01:12:52,325 --> 01:12:54,787
and see if you can pick up this signal?
1380
01:12:54,787 --> 01:12:55,787
- Copy that.
1381
01:12:55,787 --> 01:12:58,593
(radio beeping)
1382
01:12:58,593 --> 01:13:02,577
Shouldn't be having a reading like this.
1383
01:13:02,577 --> 01:13:03,927
- [Steven] A K2 reading that high...
1384
01:13:03,927 --> 01:13:04,927
- [Man] Hey.
1385
01:13:06,645 --> 01:13:09,397
Got a reading here on the EMF detector,
1386
01:13:09,397 --> 01:13:13,205
displaying on the ground
of the crawlspace.
1387
01:13:13,205 --> 01:13:15,222
- [Man] All right, there's gotta
be something going on here,
1388
01:13:15,222 --> 01:13:17,290
because I'm displaying that red
1389
01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:18,883
and you're tracking it to the ground
1390
01:13:18,883 --> 01:13:21,389
and we're getting a lot
of radio interference.
1391
01:13:21,389 --> 01:13:23,697
Could there be any wires or cables
1392
01:13:23,697 --> 01:13:25,752
running underneath this house?
1393
01:13:25,752 --> 01:13:28,061
- [Man] You think the
homeowners would care
1394
01:13:28,061 --> 01:13:30,059
if I dug in the ground here a bit
1395
01:13:30,059 --> 01:13:32,590
and tried to find the EMF
reading I'm gettin' down here?
1396
01:13:32,590 --> 01:13:34,425
- [Man] No, I don't know
that they would mind.
1397
01:13:34,425 --> 01:13:36,094
If anything, we might
be doing them a service,
1398
01:13:36,094 --> 01:13:38,065
because if that's a rogue live wire
1399
01:13:38,065 --> 01:13:39,916
or something that shouldn't be there,
1400
01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:41,832
we better let them know about it.
1401
01:13:41,832 --> 01:13:42,786
- [Man] Copy that.
1402
01:13:42,786 --> 01:13:43,742
(radio beeping)
1403
01:13:43,742 --> 01:13:45,438
- [Steven] Man, we've gotta
locate the source of this.
1404
01:13:45,438 --> 01:13:47,005
I just hope that they're using caution
1405
01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:51,014
because it's definitely not
worth getting electrocuted over,
1406
01:13:51,014 --> 01:13:55,377
but if it's a live wire
that shouldn't be there...
1407
01:13:55,377 --> 01:13:57,728
- [Man On Radio] I think I've
found something buried here.
1408
01:13:57,728 --> 01:13:58,561
It's in the...
1409
01:13:58,561 --> 01:13:59,603
(noise drowns out dialogue)
1410
01:13:59,603 --> 01:14:03,755
- [Man On Radio] Is it cabling or wiring?
1411
01:14:03,755 --> 01:14:05,943
- It doesn't look that way.
1412
01:14:05,943 --> 01:14:07,790
- [Steven] All right,
just try to identify it,
1413
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:09,623
but please be careful.
1414
01:14:12,115 --> 01:14:14,198
(grunts)
1415
01:14:18,226 --> 01:14:21,965
- [Man] I found a jar
in the mud down here.
1416
01:14:21,965 --> 01:14:24,589
- [Man On Radio] Any
wires, anything like that?
1417
01:14:24,589 --> 01:14:25,888
Is it a conduit of some sort?
1418
01:14:25,888 --> 01:14:26,793
(radio beeping)
1419
01:14:26,793 --> 01:14:27,826
- [Man On Radio] Negative.
1420
01:14:27,826 --> 01:14:29,924
(radio beeping)
1421
01:14:29,924 --> 01:14:30,860
- [Man On Radio] Most of this reading
1422
01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:31,966
seems to be coming from this drawer,
1423
01:14:31,966 --> 01:14:33,611
left or right of it,
1424
01:14:33,611 --> 01:14:35,636
and it goes up and down,
1425
01:14:35,636 --> 01:14:38,217
but when I get back over this drawer
1426
01:14:38,217 --> 01:14:41,251
the reading goes through the roof.
1427
01:14:41,251 --> 01:14:42,541
- [Man On Radio] So you're
telling me that these readings
1428
01:14:42,541 --> 01:14:45,550
are actually coming
from the drawer itself.
1429
01:14:45,550 --> 01:14:48,383
- That's the way it appears to me.
1430
01:14:49,407 --> 01:14:51,029
- [Steven] Meet me at the
entrance of the crawlspace.
1431
01:14:51,029 --> 01:14:52,620
I'm gonna head there now.
1432
01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:53,452
- [Man On Radio] Copy that.
1433
01:14:53,452 --> 01:14:56,120
(radio beeping)
1434
01:15:03,759 --> 01:15:06,509
(dramatic music)
1435
01:15:14,344 --> 01:15:17,034
- Josh, where are you guys at?
1436
01:15:17,034 --> 01:15:18,971
- Almost there.
1437
01:15:18,971 --> 01:15:21,221
- [Man On Radio] Copy that.
1438
01:15:46,666 --> 01:15:49,360
- [Man] This is an old glass jar.
1439
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,443
We got somethin' in here.
1440
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:11,518
- [Man] What is that?
1441
01:16:11,518 --> 01:16:13,268
- [Man] I don't know.
1442
01:16:15,125 --> 01:16:18,791
There's definitely a
bunch of water in here.
1443
01:16:24,184 --> 01:16:26,268
I don't know what that...
1444
01:16:35,286 --> 01:16:37,300
(dramatic music)
1445
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:40,218
We can't tell if that's cloth or...
1446
01:17:17,978 --> 01:17:19,923
It says Harold.
1447
01:17:19,923 --> 01:17:21,866
- [Woman] Three big black Xs.
1448
01:17:21,866 --> 01:17:22,730
- [Man] Sign of the devil.
1449
01:17:22,730 --> 01:17:24,581
It was evil worshipers.
1450
01:17:24,581 --> 01:17:25,673
- [Woman] There is something coming up
1451
01:17:25,673 --> 01:17:27,130
through the floor here.
1452
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:29,827
What is directly underneath this room?
1453
01:17:29,827 --> 01:17:31,341
- [Steven] Crawlspace.
1454
01:17:31,341 --> 01:17:33,094
- [Man] And I guess there
was some type of argument
1455
01:17:33,094 --> 01:17:34,520
between her and Harold,
1456
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,673
but Harold told my father
that he always thought
1457
01:17:37,673 --> 01:17:39,327
that she may have been responsible
1458
01:17:39,327 --> 01:17:40,875
and did something to the house.
1459
01:17:40,875 --> 01:17:41,871
- [Man] Then shortly after,
1460
01:17:41,871 --> 01:17:44,654
we started having a lot of problems.
1461
01:17:44,654 --> 01:17:47,071
(whispering)
1462
01:17:52,617 --> 01:17:56,101
- When a police officer comes
to the end of his shift,
1463
01:17:56,101 --> 01:18:00,200
retirement, when his tour
is over and he retires,
1464
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,432
it isn't the cases that he solved
1465
01:18:03,432 --> 01:18:06,117
that he remembers the most,
1466
01:18:06,117 --> 01:18:09,431
the cases he remembers are the
ones that he did not solve.
1467
01:18:09,431 --> 01:18:12,344
I still remember the Pomeraning case.
1468
01:18:12,344 --> 01:18:13,657
- Like I say, there are certain things
1469
01:18:13,657 --> 01:18:17,106
that you'll always remember,
and that's one of 'em.
1470
01:18:17,106 --> 01:18:18,387
I'm sure I'll always remember it.
1471
01:18:18,387 --> 01:18:19,897
- This is a great case
1472
01:18:19,897 --> 01:18:23,421
because it really is what we're studying.
1473
01:18:23,421 --> 01:18:27,374
This is the heartbeat of what
we study in parapsychology.
1474
01:18:27,374 --> 01:18:29,807
- They covered every base
they could possibly cover
1475
01:18:29,807 --> 01:18:32,389
and still no one could find out
1476
01:18:33,531 --> 01:18:37,293
what the cause of these actions were.
1477
01:18:37,293 --> 01:18:38,945
- I guess my regret would be
1478
01:18:38,945 --> 01:18:41,528
that I was unable to help them.
1479
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:44,264
I could find nothing.
1480
01:18:44,264 --> 01:18:46,407
- I believe there was something there.
1481
01:18:46,407 --> 01:18:48,300
- I believe them 100 percent.
1482
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:49,835
- I had no problem at all believin' 'em,
1483
01:18:49,835 --> 01:18:51,169
because I witnessed part of it.
1484
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:52,816
How could you not believe 'em?
1485
01:18:52,816 --> 01:18:53,933
- I can't explain it.
1486
01:18:53,933 --> 01:18:55,546
In fact, nobody's explained it yet.
1487
01:18:55,546 --> 01:19:00,002
- The real progress in
explaining the Dice Road case
1488
01:19:00,002 --> 01:19:02,844
is gonna come when we get a lot more cases
1489
01:19:02,844 --> 01:19:05,735
and we can put 'em together
in that large database
1490
01:19:05,735 --> 01:19:07,813
that I talked about earlier.
1491
01:19:07,813 --> 01:19:09,299
That's how science works.
1492
01:19:09,299 --> 01:19:11,465
- I believe that with
all the police reports,
1493
01:19:11,465 --> 01:19:14,605
everything that was put into
this vindicates the family.
1494
01:19:14,605 --> 01:19:18,340
- I hope they get some peace with it
1495
01:19:18,340 --> 01:19:20,000
up in heaven where they're at.
1496
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,449
- I think that they would be happy
1497
01:19:21,449 --> 01:19:22,661
that you are doing this
1498
01:19:22,661 --> 01:19:25,612
to try to clear their name.
1499
01:19:25,612 --> 01:19:27,763
- [Steven] That's exactly
what we intend to do.
1500
01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:29,008
- Well, thank you very much.
1501
01:19:29,008 --> 01:19:31,400
- [Steven] For anybody
out there watching this,
1502
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,313
and anybody that might doubt
1503
01:19:34,313 --> 01:19:36,612
that these things happened,
1504
01:19:36,612 --> 01:19:39,503
what would you say to them?
1505
01:19:39,503 --> 01:19:41,753
- I would say to a doubter,
1506
01:19:43,246 --> 01:19:44,329
not to doubt.
1507
01:19:45,335 --> 01:19:49,192
There are a lot of things
that happened in this world
1508
01:19:49,192 --> 01:19:51,109
that are unexplainable,
1509
01:19:53,011 --> 01:19:55,833
and I would also say
that many of these things
1510
01:19:55,833 --> 01:19:57,416
we are not to know.
1511
01:19:58,927 --> 01:20:01,677
(dramatic music)
1512
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,039
- [Man] I would pray to God and say
1513
01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:12,514
"Why are You allowing
this to happen to us?"
1514
01:20:12,514 --> 01:20:14,330
- [Man] Get rid of the thing.
1515
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:16,246
- [Man] There's evil spirits.
1516
01:20:16,246 --> 01:20:18,547
- [Man] She was seen
several times coming out
1517
01:20:18,547 --> 01:20:21,227
of the Dice Road cemetery.
1518
01:20:21,227 --> 01:20:23,242
- [Man] How could you not believe 'em?
1519
01:20:23,242 --> 01:20:25,770
- [Man] She was one of
a kind, she was a saint.
1520
01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:27,746
- [Man] Harold had a heart
attack shortly after that.
1521
01:20:27,746 --> 01:20:30,087
- [Man] She made sure
that she cut my hair.
1522
01:20:30,087 --> 01:20:33,625
- [Man] Two years of
activity in this house.
1523
01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:36,625
Whatever occurred at Dice and Chapel
1524
01:20:37,731 --> 01:20:40,041
will always be a mystery
because nobody knows.
1525
01:20:40,041 --> 01:20:41,852
- [Man] There are things in this world
1526
01:20:41,852 --> 01:20:43,852
we're not meant to know.
1527
01:20:46,966 --> 01:20:50,499
- [Man] I hope they
get some peace with it,
1528
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up in heaven, wherever they're at.
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(gentle dramatic music)
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(gentle dramatic music)
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